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From USA Today, a smattering of legal thangs:

Offensive Lineman Eric Moore of the New York Giants and defensive lineman
Mark Duckens of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers were indicted by a federal grand
jury in Atlanta on three felony steroids charges each.

Timothy Hawkings, 19, arrested for trying to pull a gun on Syracuse, N.Y.,
police, is also accused of pistol-whippingSyracuse basketball player
Glenn Sekunda.

Drug charges were dropped against Rutgers Football Assistant Arnold
Jeter, arrested during a November raid in New Brunswick, NJ

AN Allegheny County, Pa., judge signed an order preventing pro football
Hall of Famer Mel Blount from disciplining boys at the rural youth
home he operates.   Blount is accused of throwing a 9-year-old 
against a wall and dragging a 14-year-old from his room.

All 29 members of a Texas Southern University marching band caught
shoplifting $22,000 in electronics on a trip to Tokyo were suspended
indefinitely.

Members of a University of Kentucky fraternity will ahve to perform 
2,000 hours of community services as punishment from taking sports
memorabilia from Duke and North Carolina campuses during a weekend
retreat.

Mississippi College will not appeal NCAA sanctions that include the loss
of the school's 1989 Division II national football champeenship and
four years of probation.

High School Senior Jake Lilly of Montpelier went before the Vermont
Supreme Court Wednesday hoping to convince justices to let him play
hockey for Brattleboro Union High School.  Lilly, who left school after
his junior year to study in Finland, was barred from playing because
he is considered a fifth-year student.

JD

    	The thing about these steroid busts that really get to me is
    that the players usually get busted, but this whole steroid mess
    would not exist were it not for the coaches tacit approval.  Coach
    A tells player B that he would like it if he could pack on another
    30-40 pounds, like it's somehow possible without the juice.
    
    				/Don

Canadia middleweight Alex Hilton, 28, was arrested in Montreal
for parole violations.  

South Carolina basketball coach Steve Newton resigned Monday amid
reports of recruiting violations.

A big football recruiting weekend at Tennessee was marred by a 
brawl during which gunfire broke out at a party attended by about
a dozen recruits.  Defensive back Tim Frost, 19, was arrested 
early Sunday for alledgedly firing a pistol at Knoxville, Tenn.,
pollice officer.  He was charged with attempted murder and weapons
violations.

JD

    
    HIP   (heard in passing)
    
    ESPN reported that a couple of basketball players from Texas
    somethingorother U have been suspended/kicked off the team.  Since it
    was HIP, it's fuzzy but I think it was 3 starters.
    
    
    I remain,
    borrowing an idea from ::Carbuffs
    Kev
    

Kev -

Found the story on the Texas players.  Two starters are gone due
to grades.

According to coach Tom Penders:

Starting Center Albert Burditt was dismissed from the university 
because of bad grades.

Starting Guard Terrence Rencher will be suspended indefinetly
until he demonstrates satisfactory academic progress.

JD

In other College hoops news:

UC-Irvine F Uzoma Obieka was suspended indefinitely in the wake
of a postgame altercation Saturday night.  As the game between
Cal State-Fullerton and UC-Irvine ended, a fracas erupted.  According
to Cal-State coach Brad Holland, Obiekea sucker-punched Fullerton's
Bruce Bowen.

re: South Carolina

The school has reported 5 violations to the NCAA. None of these involved
the current coaches or staff. However, So Carolina has taken a pledge to
be a violation free zone and are holding coaches responsible for
violations and any penalties.

As a result, Newton will move up into the administration mainly because
the school doesn't want to just eat the last year and half on his
contract. All other coaches will be fired.

One more legal front: Chuckie Burnette, a football player from No
Carolina, and one other player were charged with possession of stolen
property over the weekend. Seems that some of the furnishings found in
their dorm room belonged to the school. No details were provided on how
anyone found this out or what the school plans to do about it.

TTom

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* In 1989, a Union Bridge, Md., high school permitted a
female student, Tawana Hammond, 17, to try out for its
football team under the pressure of a federal statute
that bars school discrimination on the basis of gender. 
On her first scrimmage, Tawana, a running back, was
tackled and suffered massive internal injuries.  In
October 1992, she filed a $1.5 million lawsuit against
the county board of education for its alleged failure
to inform her of how dangerous football is. [Washington
Post, 10-29-92] 

The Internal Revenue Service restated its position that tax-exempt
organizations, including college bowl games, should pay tax on
sponsor revenues.  In its third attempt in 14 months to clarify
its position, the IRS said sponser revenues are taxable
business income.   The IRS regulation will be subject to a public
hearing July 8.

Freshmen Tim Frost, 19, of Tennessee, charged with attempted murder
for allegedly firing at a Knoxville policeman, has had his hearing
date scheduled for Feb. 2.

Penn State wrassler Shawn Nelson, who spent all of last semester
on suspension, has been charged with criminal trespass after riding
an airport luggage conveyor belt into a restricted area Sunday at
an airport in State College, Pa.  Nelson, 4th at 126 pounds last
year in the NCAA champeenships, said he did it on a dare.

Lois E. Wells, whose daughter was killed by a flying race car
tire at a Can-Am Speedway in LaFargeville, NY, in 1991 has filed
a 53 million dollar suit against the track; D.I.R.T. Inc., a 
dirt-track sanctioning organization; and Steven Olin, a driver
from Pulaski, NY.  Olin's tire came loose and struck Bethany Wells 
in the face while she stood in or near the pit and her father's
race car.

    
    Anybody wanna make a wager on how long it will take "the pile of money"
    to transform itself into a black sucking hole?
    
    grrrrrr
    
    I remain,
    wondering if, since rugby is alot like religion, the club could get
    a_exemption?
    
    Kev
    

Kev, would you learn to spell. Its Hare Krishna! :-)

The Crazy Met

    
    Don't worry Mac, we have all that extra money from the middle income
    tax cut we are all expecting...NOT!  
    
    

    and normally I'd spell ckeck except a guy in ZKO used up all the
    'trons!
    
    ;^)
    

 The Oshawa, Ontario, trial of Philly Flyer Eric Lindros, charged with 
assault for alledgedly dumping beer on a woman's head and spitting
in her face in a bar, started Wednesday and will continue Friday.
Large crowds forced provincial Judge J.R. Morgan to move the trial to
a larger courthouse.

Hall of Famer Tom Seaver lost his lawsuit agains a group of Oldsmobile
dealers, according to a decision by New York Supreme Court Justice Peter
Tom made public Wednesday.  The Olds dealers said Seaver, as a New York
Yankees announcer, breached his $225,000 contract with the dealers April 17,
1989, when he said the game was being sponsered in part by "your local
Mazda dealer."  The Olds dealers canceled Seaver's contract without
paying him for the second year.   Seaver sued, saying a "hasty, spontaneous
reading" was not a contract violation.

Jockey Phil Rubbicco, whos career slid from a second=place finish aboard
No Le Hace in the 1972 Kentucky Derby to a conviction for race fixing in
1986, asked the Louisiana State Racing Commission to reinstate him.  The
commission's decision is expected today.

Lawyers for the cities of St. Petersburg, FL., and San Francisco began talks
aimed at settling key issues in four lawsuits filed since the National
League blocked the proposed move of the Giants.  Another meeting, initiated
by San Francisco officials, is scheduled today at Miami.  Participants
will include lawyers for the Florida investors group as well as the
California group that bought the team.  

    Inspired by yesterday's note about the female footaball player's
    lawsuit prompted me to put this in.  Since there are air-races held
    sometimes, and since races indicate a sport, I figger this is sports
    related.
    
    I remain,
    again, occasionally yer reporter!
    Kev
    
    
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    There's a great article in this month's AOPA Pilot. It describes a law
    suit that has been ongoing since 1983. Want a summary of what's wrong
    with tort law? Read this article.
    
    In brief, a guy in a Super Cub hit a van on takeoff, resulting in
    permanent injury to the pilot. The pilot was in the beack seat with a
    cameraman in the front, working a jury-rigged camera set up that was to
    be used to photograph a glider in flight. Because of some arguement
    with the airport manager, the manager parked his van in the middle opf
    the runway to stop the takeoff. The pilot didn't see the van, being in
    the back seat of the Cub, hit the van, bad news, etc.
    
    The findings by the jury in the first trial are a perfect example of
    what's wrong with GA's relationship to the general public. The jury
    awarded $2.5M to the pilot, to be paid by *Piper*. Why? because the
    jury decided that Piper was to blame for the accident. How, you ask?
    Because the design of the Cub is "faulty" because it has a _tailwheel_.
    More confused? read on. The jury decided that the design was the cause
    of the accident because, before the tail comes up, the pilot in a Cub
    has restricted forward visability, and this is an "indefensible design
    flaw." Further, the Cub did not have a shoulder harness (and was not
    required to have on, having been built in 1970 on a design approved in
    1936). So, Piper is now in a second trial and its third court action
    defending against this crap.
    
    Oh, yes. The guy who parked the van on the runway was found blameless
    by the jury.
    
    I do not know what this indicates first: that the average jury is
    comprised of idiots; that the average jury will automatically find in
    favor of someone who has been hurt and make someone else pay,
    regardless of guilt; or that the average jury is incompetent to deal
    with such cases.
    
    This caes is about to enter its tenth year. Meanwhile, Piper remains in
    Chapter 11 bankruptcy and the total number of GA planmes sold in the
    uUS last year was 1,100 -- down from 17,000 in 1981.
    
    
    !!!!!!
    
    

Oregon State University said Thursday the school acted properly
in the case of Earnest Killum, the basketball player who died
Jan. 29, 1992.  Thelma Lillard, Killum's mother, filed a lawsuit
claiming the death of her son at age 20 was hastened by his
participation in college sports.

Cincinnati Reds owner Marge Schott meets today with baseball's 
Executive Council in Dallas to defend herself against charges she
made racial slurs adn discriminated against blacks in her hiring
practices.

Jockey Phil Rubbicco was denied reinstatement for a second time
Thursday by the Louisna State Racing Commission.

Manufacturers and Traders Trust Co. of New Yawk is seeking to seize
payments from the Baltimore Orioles to their owner, Eli Jacobs, to 
enforce a $4.6 million judgement against Jacobs, according to papers
filed in Baltimore Circuit Court.

JD

Salt Lake City Police officials are investigating complaints about sexual
misconduct by members of the Portland Trailblazers while they were in
town for a game against the Jazz. The issue is a party in a hotel room
that supposedly involved underaged females.

The identity of the Blazers has not been determined but rumor has it that
Rod Strickland was involved along with Cliff Robinson. Even though this
may only be a rumor it doesn't bode well for Stickland who's had a
history of being involved with questionable off-court dealings before.
Robinson, supposedly, attended the party with Strickland.

TTom

I heard some more about this episode this morning. All of this comes from
a guy called Johnny Miller who does a morning talk sports show coming out
of Las Vegas (Sports and Entertainment Network).

Supposedly there was absolutely nothing forcible involved, strictly
statutory. The 2 girls involved ran away from home and sought out some
fun, if'n you catch my drift. They ended up at the hotel where the
Trailblazers, or as Miller calls them, the TailChasers, were staying.
They ended up in a room with Stickland and Robinson and another player
wherein the girls took turn disrobing and jumping in bed with the 3
players. [At this point it's unclear if this was a serial or parallel
event]. The mother of one of the teenagers found out about it and went to
the police.

TTom

A former flight attendant for USAir has filed a $5 mil suit against the
Boston Bruins. She claims she was sexually assualted by a player during a
charter flight while another player took pictures.

TTom

    She also had/has a suit against US Air for firing her after the alleged
    incident.  At the time, she said there was no way she was going to sue
    the Bruins.

      Sounds like she did want it and now is lookin for some $$$ to save
    face for getting involved on duty???:^)))

From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.football,clari.local.florida,clari.sports.top
Subject: Dolphins' Humphrey arrested on cocaine charges
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 93 9:41:32 PST

	COLUMBUS, Ga. (UPI) -- Miami Dolphins running back Bobby Humphrey was
arrested on a variety of charges including cocaine possession following
a hotel-room brawl with a former Alabama teammate, police said Monday.
	Humphrey, 26, and former Alabama linebacker Vantriese Davis were
arrested in a room at a Hilton hotel after a fight in which Davis was
cut by a broken wine bottle.
	Humphrey, who suffered a cut index finger, and Davis were treated and
released at a local hospital. Humphrey was charged with possession of
cocaine, aggravated battery and damaging a hotel room and released on a
total of $8,442 bond. Davis was charged with possession of cocaine and
disorderly conduct.
	But Humphrey gave police a false name and after he was released they
discovered this and issued another warrant for his arrest.

Supposedly Humphrey will turn himself in today or tomorrow. The false
name charge is a misdimeanor.

Meanwhile a court has ordered the Seattle Seahawks to pay former player
Sam McCullum $450K. McCullum argued successfully that the Seahawks cut
him because he was active with the players union. The court supported a
ruling by the National Labor Relations Board.

TTom

    Apparently Humphrey has disappeared and can not be found either by the
    police or by the Dolphins.  What the hell is wrong with this guy ?
    
    John "D Cowboys" R.

Houst Astros infielder Juan Guerrero was arrested last week near
Santo Domingo, Domincan Republic for wearing a live Monkey on his
head - ha, ha, just kidding - he faces a possible one-year prison
sentence for drug possession, authorities said Wednesday.  A district
attorney spokesman said that Guerrero, 24, had been arrested in
Haina, a town near the capital, when investigators were searching for
a crime suspect.  The agents seized from Guerrero a pipe with crack
residue.

Former Indianapolis Colts nose tackle Harvey Armstrong, 33, has checked
into a hospital for treatment of depression after his arrest on 
battery charges, according to his attorney.  Marion County sheriff's 
officials said the charges stem from a Jan. 24 incident, when Armstrong
alledgedly tried to rape a longtime acquaintence,

Former Seattle Seahawks linebacker Brian Bosworth claims $5.1 million
is owed to him from injury protection policies the team took out for
him from Lloyds of London.  Bosworth's tapeworm, er lawyer, Henry
Jameson told a federal court jury Lloyd owes him the money, plus
interest.  But the insurance company contends Bosworth suffered from
delusions of grandeur, er I mean arthritis, a degenerative disease not
covered by the policies.

    I liked the live monkey story better....

o The NCAA is looking at letting basektball and football players to
declare for their respective drafts and retain eligibility. One proposal
allows the athletes to declare and change their mind before the draft.
Another allows them to go through the draft and then have 30 days or so
to sign or reclaim any college eligibility otherwise left.

o In the wonderful world of sneakers, Reebok is suing to protect their
rights to The Pump has been sued by a_inventor who claims he showed this
to Reebok back in 87.

o Penn St wrestler Cary Kolat was suspended from the team and has been
charged with public drunkeness. He was found passed out on the campus
lawn despite a 6 degree temperature.

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>>o The NCAA is looking at letting basektball and football players to
>>declare for their respective drafts and retain eligibility. One proposal
>>allows the athletes to declare and change their mind before the draft.
>>Another allows them to go through the draft and then have 30 days or so
>>to sign or reclaim any college eligibility otherwise left.

    Here Here!
    
>>o In the wonderful world of sneakers, Reebok is suing to protect their
>>rights to The Pump has been sued by a_inventor who claims he showed this
>>to Reebok back in 87.

    Hope he's got in on video.
    
>>o Penn St wrestler Cary Kolat was suspended from the team and has been
>>charged with public drunkeness. He was found passed out on the campus
>>lawn despite a 6 degree temperature.
    
   Whew, that's scary. He musta been tanked to withstand that chill.
    Is this the kid from Western Pa. who, while diminutive, was undefeated
    and seemed obsessive and driven?  Hope he ends up OK.
    Where the hail were his friends?
    
    MikeL
    
    

    
    re: -1
    
>   Whew, that's scary. He musta been tanked to withstand that chill.
    Is this the kid from Western Pa. who, while diminutive, was undefeated
    and seemed obsessive and driven?  Hope he ends up OK.
>    Where the hail were his friends?
    
    
    	yep, this is the kid I talked about for some 4 years.  Don't know
    what happened here, but let's just say that I'm a bit shocked.  Quite
    possibly, Kolat has a slightly swoled haid seeing that Penn St. is now
    No. 1 in the country in wrestling and he is doing farely well so far.
    
    	Not to make excuses, the kid obviously needs to be disciplined.
    And from all counts on what I've heard, he's a tireless worker.  Maybe,
    just maybe, he was out partying and simply had to much to drink.  I
    certainly hope that this is all it was and that he has learned a much
    needed lesson and not the tip of a iceberg-type problem.
    
    
    bill..g.
    

From USA Today:

Penn State Wrassler Cary Kolat, arrested for public drunkenness
SUnday, only hours after a meet, said he did "A very stupid
thing"   Kolas was 12-3 and ranked #5 at 134 pounds.  He
was suspended indefinetly.


Walking SNL Skit Bobby Humphrey says he's entering a sports
rehab clinic for three to four days so doctors can evaluate
the gunshot  wound in his right thigh. 


Stewards at the Fair Grounds in New Orleans suspended jockey
RIck Faul, the second-leading rider at the track, six months
for having illegal shocking devices, called "batteries" at the
track.  Faul has appealed and may continue riding until the
Louisiana State racing Commission hears his case.

jd

    It was announced in a Salt Lake City news conference today that no
    charges will be filed against any members of the Portland Trailblazers
    accused of allegedly having sex with two 16 year-old girls in January.
    
    Glen.

    
    I don't think anyone doubts that they had sex with the 16 yr olds, it's
    just not illegal in SLC.
    
    brews

      Its a good thing that these guys are "celeberties" or else they would
    have gone to jail no matter whether these girls consented or not!
    
       Tim

    	Tim, Mike Tyson certainly qualifies as a celebrity.  Apparently
    the Trailblazers think those involved did something wrong because
    they've been fined.
    
    				/Don

      /'r,  Tyson is an example that some "laws" don't care who you are,
    and persicute(sp?) you no matter what.  Of course I hear that he gets
    special treatment in prison.
    
    
      I was not aware of the Blazers getting fined.
    
      My point was that it seems there are celeberaties getting in trouble
    on a weekly basis,  and alot, if not most, of the time,  they get off
    with a hand slap.  If it was me or you or any other non-celeb,  then we
    would get thrown in the slammer or get the "heavier" penalties, etc..
    
      It will be interesting to see what happens with Bobby Humphrey.
    
    
      Tim

    
    
    >>	Tim, Mike Tyson certainly qualifies as a celebrity.  Apparently
    
    Speakin' of ole Ramrod Mike Tyson, anybody out there going to watch the
    movie about him on the idiot box???
    
    Personally, I'll set my VCR to record TMYWPC(The Makes Ya Wanna Puke
    Channel), where at the same time, they have a special where Barry White
    sings the greatest hits of Luciano Pavaroti and Placido Domingo.
    
    JaKe
    

      Pardon the ignorance, but who is Barry White?
    
    

It's a documentary not a made for schlock movie. I'll probably watch it if
I finish the Key West, Simpsons,sienfeld stuff on tape I've been recording
during the week....

then again I may just sleep...

Metz

    
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    >>  Pardon the ignorance, but who is Barry White?
    
    Big man from about, what 15 20 years ago, with a voice that was deeper
    than thunder, talked more than sang.  Cain't remember many of the names
    of his stuff, but one song was "My First, My Last, My Everything".
    
    Little help out there, please!!
    
    JaKe
    

>      /'r,  Tyson is an example that some "laws" don't care who you are,
>    and persicute(sp?) you no matter what.  Of course I hear that he gets
>    special treatment in prison.
    

I think you mean prosecute.   Although some folks did attempt to make
the case that Tyson was persecuted....


'Saw

    Right on, JaKe...
    
    Barry was the 70's version of Luther Vandross as far as women were
    concerned.  He did the voiceover for MTV's Love Weekend.  Did other
    songs like "Can't get enough of your love babe" and other songs.
    Also responsible for the Love Unlimited Orchestra I believe.
    

Is anyone catching the trial where Leonard Tose, owner of the
Philadelphia Eagles, is suing the Sands Hotel Casino (Atlantic City, NJ).
Now get this: he claims that they plied him with free alcohol while he
gambled away over $4 mil.

Tose claims the Sands assigned a personal drink fetcher to him who
wouldn't even wait until he finished one drink to bring him another. He
claims that this made him inebriated, so much so one might guess that he
couldn't count to 21.

The Sands has offered witnesses that say that Tose wasn't even tipsy and
in fact was apparently quite the gentelmen.

Yo, Tose! Anyone knows that if'n you're gambling at the tables, you don't
have to pay for the drinks. That's the way the whole scam works. 

TTom

    
     Yup, read it in the Globe. At his age you'd think he'd know that
    that is exactly why they give you drinks, not because they like you.
    Who knows though he may end up winning, but from what I've read the
    guy has a serious gambling problem and dropped as much as $900,000
    at one sitting. As an aside, there was a married couple here in Mass 
    who fought with one of the banks here in Mass because they charged 
    $5,000 on their Mastercard at one of those cash machines in Atlantic
    City and didn't want to pay up. The basis of their suit was that it is 
    illegal in this state to loan money for the purpose of gambling. The 
    couple won. The bank appealed but I don't remember or never heard the 
    final outcome.

    
    Leonard Tose is the guy who made a mockery of the NFL owners in the
    recent free agent battles in court when it was discovered during the
    testimony that while the Eagles weren't making much "profit", he was 
    paying himself around $10M/year, which he was of course blowing at the
    racetrack or wherever.  And to think that professional sports leagues
    are worried about the Pete Roses out there on the field, or even a guy
    working for a casino (as opposed to getting trashed in one and blowing
    one's life savings).  The Leonard Toses and George Steinbrenners of the
    world serve as living proof that just because a guy's in charge of a
    pro sports team doesn't mean that he knows what he's doing, or even has
    complete control of his actions...
    
    glenn
    

Evidently more is at stake here than just a couple of mil.

A buddy of mine from Philly says that Tose's entire fortune, including
his real business and the Eagles, is at risk because of all the money
that he's lost gambling.

What you have to do to understand this is to put it in relative terms.
Something like:

	Pete Rose < George Steinbrenner < Leonard Tose

as in jail, suspension and no punishment.

TTom

    
    Waitaminute.  Norman Braman is the current owner of the Eagles, right?
    Tose had to sell because he got into this trouble with his debts in 
    the first place.  The Iggles have one sorry ownership tradition...
    
    glenn
    

    In the Philadelphia media, several of Tose's complaints were backed up
    by witnesses. Tose was reportedly too drunk to get off his chair and go
    to the men's room, so the Sands had some of their employees help him.
    One of the Atlantic City casinos previously lost a case on the dame
    grounds, so it isn't beyond reason that Tose may win. He is not looking
    to stiff the casino for all of the money he lost, just a portion which
    he says he lost when he was totally out of it.
    
    Tose did indeed have to sell the Eagles because of his gambling debts.
    He almost lost his home in Villanova, PA (Main Line) to a sheriffs sale
    not that long ago. He has pissed away all of the $$ he got from the
    trucking company (which his father built up) and the Eagles. 
    
    All that being said, I think I'd rather have Tose own the Eagles than
    Braman.
    
    Dennis Faust
    

* WBA Super Middleweight champeen Michael Nunn, 29, was arrested
Thursday in Orion, Ill., and charged with illegal transportation
of alcohol and unlawful use of a weapon.

*An attorney for LA Raiders linebacker Aaron Wallace says she likely
will appeal a Dallas civil-court jury finding that the former
Texas A&M star sexually assaulted a woman three years ago.  Jurors
awarded the woman $225,000.

* Former Villanova basketball player Dwayne McClain sued SPIN
magazine Thrusday, saying he was defamed in an article that said
he used cocaine.  The suit claims the story confused him with
former teammate Gary McLain, who admitted in 1986 he used the
drug at Villanova.

* Casinos allowing patrons to gamble while visibly and obviously
intoxicated are liable for losses at the gaming table, a federal
judge JOseph Irenas ruled Thursday in Camden, NJ.  The decision
could affect Atlantic City's gambling idustry.  It stemmed from
a civily lawsuit by former Eagles owner Leonard Tose.

* Colgate University and lawyers representing the woman's hockey
team meet Friday in a federal appeals court in NY about a gender
equity case that's likely to have reprecussions across teh USA.

Essentially, COlgate, which was ordered last September to upgrade
the club team to varsity status, is challenging the court's
jurisdiction over the school's athletic department.


JD

Meanwhile, in a town in Connecticut in Fairfield County (fergit which one,
they all sound alike), they are looking into a discrimination case in
Little League.  (I think the town was Milford, but not sure).

It seems that the town has a special division for Handicapped Kids. It's
called the Challenger Division.   Anyway, it's for kids who choose not
to try out for any of the other three divisions in town.

Someone is trying to say that this is discriminatory.   If I remember correctly
there is nothing preventing someone who is handicapped (or physically
challeneged if that's the proper wuss term for it) from trying out for 
any division.  So in my mind, I'm saying "What's the big deal?"

Personally, sounds like another case of someone having too much free time....


'Saw

Today's update finds Mark Gastineau copping a plea to possession of
drug paraphenalia in Maricopa County, Arizona. He'll get probation
instead of a jail term, if'n all goes well and the court accepts his
plea.

And the trial of Leonard Tose versus the Sands Hotel concluded. Closing
arguments will begin Wednesday. Sands presented witnesses that claimed
Tose was the highest high roller at the casino, whereupon the defense
rested.

TTom

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    	PLYMOUTH, Ind. (UPI) -- Former Notre Dame running back Reggie
    Brooks
    was free on $100 bond following his arrest for carrying a handgun
    without a permit.
    	Brooks, who is expected to be a high choice in the NFL draft, was
    stopped for speeding Monday along U.S. 31 near Plymouth.
    	Police said Brooks and two companions, Marco Holmes and Damian
    Penny,
    both of Tulsa, Okla., were cited for possession of handguns without
    permits.
    	Brooks told police he had the weapon because he sometimes carries a
    large amount of cash.
    

Maybe, file this one there oughta be a law:

A University of South Carolina basketball player scored the minimum 400
on the SATs. You get 400 if'n you correctly put your name on the test
form.

TTom

    Hey,
    It's dangerous out in them backroads of Indiana! Take it from me.
    Why ol' Reggie was on Rt 31 near Plymouth, just near Culver Academy.
    No sense in being unarmed with a lotta cash near a military school.
    
    But where did he get "large amounts of cash"?  Maybe that Minnesota
    booster friend of Lou Holtz is working southwards.
    
    8^)
    MikeL
    

    I'm sure Holtz knew nothin' about it.
    
    Joe

At a Senate subcommittee investigating boxing, Salvatore "Sammy the Bull" 
Gravano testified that organized crime is involved in boxing. Duh-huh!

Gravano, who also sang at the John Gotti trial, says that the mob wants 
control of boxers, managers, and promoters not too fix the fights but for 
the purses. Sammy the Bull claims that the betting is really small change 
compared to the purses. StB further claimed that they might fix a fight 
to get the big payday.

Specifically implicated was Buddy McGirt. StB said that they were in with 
one of the co-managers, Al Certo. Certo claimed that Sammy was full of 
Bull. The rest of those called who had connections with McGirt invoked 
the 5th Amendment.

TTom

    
     re .59
    
      I read that in this morning's paper and dang near choked on
     my cornflakes. Imagine me being a huge fight fan and never had
     an inkling that the mob might have a hand in the fight game.
     I guess that's why we have newspapers.

The jury in the case of former Philadelphia Eagle owner Leanoard Tose
rejected his claims that a_Atlantic City casino plied him with alcohol
causing him to lose $1.2 million at blackjack.

This should about close this issue, appeals notwithstanding.

TTom

Anybody been folowing the story about the woman that sued the Cincy Bengals 
saying the x number of them raped her here in washington some number of years
ago?

She signed a legal agreement for $30k when she first contacted the players
about it releasing them from all liability. Then she decided to sue (civil)
because she wanted some more $$$ out of them. The judge tossed her suit ruling
that the first agreement she signed was legally binding.

Now she has her father suing the players again on behalf of her children saying
that this whole thing deprived them of their mother.

Now I'm all for bringing these things to trial for criminal charges but she
seems intent on gold digging only. This latest suit has all the makings of 
a lawyer going after some deep pockets to me.

Question 1, why didn't she go to the police when it happened or even some 
reasonable time after?

Question 2, Why did she sign for $30k ?

Question 3, Why does she want more money now?

Fact 1. Do you know there are more lawyers in the columbia tower (downtown
	seattle tower) then there are in all of China?


Metz

  Metz, you're right that this looks really...umm...money focused, for lack of
  a better phrase.  I only have one response, to give you a serious answer to
  one of your questions:

>Question 1, why didn't she go to the police when it happened or even some 
>reasonable time after?

  Let's assume she *was* raped.

  Who was going to believe her?  What would the odds be of getting a conviction?
  Why bother?

  First, it would be those x number of players denying it or claiming she
  agreed to the whole thing:  the word of x people against her 1 voice.  The
  moment this went public, her every move would be scrutinized to justify that
  she probably "asked for" something like this to happen anyway.

  Then there'd be the huge pressure of professional sports - with lots of money
  invested in these guys - trying to twist out of it so they can keep on with
  business.  Boys will be boys; sex & athletics are really intertwined to the
  point a lot of the pro sports world seems to think pro athletes deserve to
  take whoever they want & shield them from the consequences.

  *Many* sports fans went into spasms of denial about Mike Tyson's rape
  conviction.  They were an abusive mob to Lisa Olsen.  What would keep them
  from verbally abusing (phone calls, letters, accosting on the street) a 
  woman bringing another charge against sports figures?  Who wants to live
  through that?

  And assuming she *did* get it to trial, the defense lawyer will do his
  damnedest to portray her as a sex-crazed slut.  I understand about Innocent
  Until Proven Guilty, but these guys step over the line a lot imho.  

  It does wonders for the old self-esteem.

  Complete strangers feel free to abuse a person to her face and invade her life

  With all that stress, can she hold onto her job if she has one?  Will her
  company, not fond of adverse publicity, find a way to let her go?

  Her "outside" life is in ruins.  Rape usually has a traumatic effect on 
  the mental state, too.

  Going to the police starts a long, messy legal process that means she'll be
  pressured & dragged through the mud for just months if she's lucky.

  That's what I'd think about if I were in her shoes.  It sure would give me
  pause.

  Kath

I agree with much of what you said Kath. Some of these defense lawyers go over
the edge trying to portray the victims as the criminals. Just look at what they
tried to portray Desireee Washington as. 

However Why did this woman decide to go through it all 2 years after the fact 
in a civil proceeding? Cash is my reason. FYi she's also been appearing on all
the talk shows around here drumming up publicity (and collecting an appearance
fee to I'd guess).

It just irks me that this case is getting as much publicity out here as it is
when I see it mostly as a quest for cash.

Metz

	The Lisa Olsen incident is not a good example to back your case Kath.
Other than Victor Kiam the Pats were pretty much exonerated.  When it came 
time to testify under oath all the stories of players parading naked for 15-20 
minutes and hurling insults at Lisa turned out to be one player saying 
"you're here to look".  Maybe a comment made in poor taste but certainly
nothing tantamount to rape.  The players who had their names dragged 
through the mud did not receive a large cash settlement as did Lisa (not 
because of the incident, but because of Kiam's big mouth) and other than 
one story in the Globe none of the players received any apologies from 
writers who called them animals and/or criminals.  But good old Bob Sales 
sure did sell a whole lot of Heralds and Mike Lupica got to go on national 
TV and show everyone what a "new age" type of guy he is.

				/Don

Today's sampling:

 o A US District judge has denied a request for a new trial by the woman
who claims she was raped by a group of Cincinnati Bengal players.
Meanwhile, another suit continues in this case. The 4 children of the
woman filed suit claiming the alleged rape damaged their relationship
with their mother.

  o Patrick Franklin, a former Tampa Bay Buccanneer, was charged with
obstruction of justice. Franklin was busted in 92 but it was kept secret
because Franklin was a government informant. Franklin is accused of
faking a taped conversation with a drug agent wherein he was promised
probation.

  o A German man was arrested at the Italian Open tennis tournament. He
had knives and a revolver, albeit loaded with blanks. When arrested the
man claimed he was James Bond.

TTom

    
    Heard this on the radio todayt:
    
    The President of the Duke School of Divinity was forced to resign. 
    Apparently he was faking a case of cancer.  He went as far as shaving
    his head to mimic the affects of chemotherapy.  

Federal Agents/Secret Service is investigating players from 12 NFL and
NBA teams in a cellular phone fraud.

The scam was that players were sold the phone with a flat service rate of
$2500 and told that the calls would be placed through satellite services
Supposely under this setup, there were no charges and no bill.

The problem is that the phones had been illegally altered in order to
pull this off.

The probe is targetting sports agents. Unknown at this time is whether or
not the individuals knew the phones were illegal.

In other events:

  o 2 more Texas A&M football players - WR Brian Mitchell and LB Jesse 
Cox - have been declared ineligible. They were among those who got the
fake jobs through boosters.

  o The NCAA is investigating 17 charges against the Ohio State
basketball program. The school announced that it will pay Randy Ayers
while the investigation continues and that it will appeal the violations
charged in the recruiting of Damon Flint (who's been declared ineligible
to play at Ohio St; he can play any where else).

today's goodies:

  o The NCAA ordered Notre Dame to forfeit 2 football scholarships as a
result of lasted year's incident with Demetrius DuBose. DuBose was
suspended for improperly taking over $1000.

  o Philadelphia Eagles end Tim Harris was arraigned for drunken driving.
It was his second DWI in less than 2 years and could result in a
suspension from the NFL due to previous incidents involving drug abuse.

TTom

    
    Re ND
    
    Not surprising or unwarranted. ND knew that there might be further
    repercussions from the NCAA when the DuBose decision was handed down.
    Careful with that "forfeiture" language there, TTom. Gave me a brief
    case of veretigo. I'll assume that ND lops off potential recruiting
    classs numbers in '94 from 21 to 19 ah believes.
    
    No bitch from moi, gots to pay the piper.
    
    MikeL
    

    clarinews@clarinet.com articles by Thu, 27 May 93:


--------
Subject: Irvin charged with disorderly conduct
Date: Thu, 27 May 93 11:02:32 PDT
 
	PLANTATION, Fla. (UPI) -- Dallas Cowboy wide receiver Michael Irvin
will appear in court June 28 on disorderly conduct charges as the result
of a dispute over the purchase of a bottle of wine at a convenience
store.
	Broward County Sheriff's Office spokesman Ott Cefkin said Deputy D.J.
Alvarez charged Irvin after he continued to rage at two clerks at a 7-
Eleven store near Fort Lauderdale.
	Keith Davis, 24, and Jackie Williams, 27, clerks at the store, told
Alvarez they refused to sell Irvin a bottle of wine. They said they
thought he was making the purchase for a young man they had just turned
away because he was a minor.
	The clerks said Irvin began shouting and cursing at them and tried to
go behind a counter to get the wine. They told Alvarez that Irvin made
racial slurs and ``told them they didn't know who they were dealing
with,'' Cefkin said.
	Irvin told Alvarez the reason the clerks refused him service was
because he was black. Davis and Williams are also black.
    

      I guess they found they were dealing with just another person!

    Irvin was framed.  It was a setup by the local authorities to embarass
    a celebrity.  Cowboys don't break the law. 
    
    Actually it really pisses me off when folks use the "do you know who
    you are dealing with" phrase.  Like we are below them....
    
    Irvin, you f*cked up.  Take the heat that goes with your screw up and
    shut up.
    
    John "D Cowboys" R.

    
    
    Note 65.73 by CNTROL::CHILDS "Do Not Enter - Sanitization in Process" >>>
          -< Reason #10,567,234,349,999 why Sowboys shouldn't be champs>-
      
        But they are regardless of any reasons you might have. The reason
    for that is they deserved it, and thats the ONLY reason the counts.
    
    But I agree with Mr Cowboy, Micheal *&$#@^ up.
    	

Sowboys deserve shit. The league conspired to put them back on top after
Jerry Jones fatten their wallets....

mike

    Mike, I am not sure what you mean.  Could you please explain your
    comments ?
    
    John "D Cowboys" R.

The Walker deal, the deal with the Patriots, Charles Haley etc.....NFL
marketing pointed out to the good ole boys how valuable the Cowboys
as contenders were...Enjoy the summer cause next year they'll take the
choke bone firmly in their grasp just like always...

mike

    Mike, at first I thought you were joking but it seems that you really
    believe that the NFL favors the Cowboys over other teams.  The trades
    that you mentioned were not done to promote the Cowboys only, obviously
    the other teams also thought they were getting something out of it or
    they would not go through with them.  BTW, you forgot the Buerlien
    trade.
    
    As for the marketing of the Cowboys keep in mind that the 'Boys are
    today's hot team just as the Raiders and 49ers were in the 80's.  I
    really belive that it boils down to America's infactuation with Cowboys
    and the Wild West.  As kids most of us wanted to be the Cowboys rather
    than the Indians because of how the Cowboys were portrayed.  
    
    As for the upcoming season, you may be right.  I do not think that they
    will repeat but will come back and win it the following year.  Call it
    a "choke" or lapse in concentration but sadly I agree with you that
    they will not finish as SB champs.  Regardless, they are this year's
    champs.
    
    John "D Cowboys" R.
           

    
    The Raiders were successful in the '80's?  Even those infactuated with
    them wouldn't say that.  

    
    >The Raiders were successful in the '80's?  Even those infactuated with
    >them wouldn't say that.
    
    Super Bowl champs in '81 and '84, and a few other successful seasons. 
    Guess it all depends on how you define success doesn't it.
    
    Marc
    

    As Marc mentioned they did win two SB, but I was also inferring to
    marketing success.  Unfortunately, the Raiders logo was the choice of
    many gangs.  nontheless it did bring in big $$ to the NFL.
    
    John "D Cowboys" R.

    >> Sowboys deserve Shit. The league conspired to put them back on top
    >> after Jerry Jones fatten their wallets....
                                                   
    Definitely not a Cowboy fan... :-)

    Sour grapes perhaps? 

         <<< Note 65.85 by ELMAGO::BENBACA "I am Not a Fig Plucker!" >>>
                        -< Watch out for them pits... >-

    >> Sowboys deserve Shit. The league conspired to put them back on top
    >> after Jerry Jones fatten their wallets....
                                                   
    Definitely not a Cowboy fan... :-)

    Sour grapes perhaps? 
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
		yup!

I don't think it's sour grapes.

I think it's the natural genetic hatred that all true blue NY Giants
fans have for the Cowboys.

'Saw

     A rose by any other name.....Same difference.  Least he's honest  :-)
    
    Ben

Chad Kohl has been charged with numerous offenses for running across a
NASCAR track while the race was in progress. 

Kohl, in a signed statement, admitted to drinking beer for 9 hours and
took a pill to stay awake. 

Kohl admitted to running in front of Kyle Petty and Davey Allison during
Sunday's Champion Spark Plug 500 in Long Pond, Pa. Kohl then leaped over
a wall into a swampy area beside the track. Kohl apparently became
disoriented and set a fire to attract attention.

Kohl, being held on $20,000, has been charged with arson, endangering
people, risking a catastrophe, criminal mischief, defiant trespass,
persistent disorderly conduct, reckless endangerment and public
drunkeness. If convicted on all counts, Kohl could get 32 years and
$52,000 fines.

TTom

    
      And that's a crime? What the hell kind of country is this?
     That man is to be commended! Strike down conformity!

>Kohl admitted to running in front of Kyle Petty and Davey Allison during
>Sunday's Champion Spark Plug 500 in Long Pond, Pa. Kohl then leaped over
>a wall into a swampy area beside the track. Kohl apparently became
>disoriented and set a fire to attract attention.

It's a wonder this guy is still alive.  The Pocono track is not
considered a short-track by NASCAR, and the speeds are up there.


>Kohl, being held on $20,000, has been charged with arson, endangering
>people, risking a catastrophe, criminal mischief, defiant trespass,
>persistent disorderly conduct, reckless endangerment and public
>drunkeness. If convicted on all counts, Kohl could get 32 years and
>$52,000 fines.

What, no charge for being terminall STUPID?

Petty and Allison were reportedly going in excess of 150 when the guy ran
across the track.

The tragedy of this whole thing would have been if'n he got hit. You know
there'd be a law suit against the track for letting it happen.

TTom

Half the state of South Carolina is now being served with warrants for 
similar behavior...

    
     Personally, I don't think they should charge the guy with anything.
    We have too many laws in this country protecting stupid people from
    themselves so they are allowed to breed and create more stupid people.
    We ought to allow the process of natural selection to take place and 
    encourage more stupid people to go running across motor speedways.
    JMHO. 

Tommy, my coffee is splattered all over the place.

The Crazy Met

    Tommy, I'd agree if this was the simple case of a victimless crime. 
    Darwinism and all that rot.  However, in all likelyhood, the drivers'
    lives were endangered by the stupidity of this guy.
    
    Mark.

Who cares? It didn't happen during a real sports
event now, did it?  Car racing?  HA!

JD

    
   >> Who cares? It didn't happen during a real sports
   >> event now, did it?  Car racing?  HA!
     
    
    Again, Put your money where your mouth is and try it sometime.
    
    We had a  hispanic guy sneak onto the expert fast practice in last
    weekends regional event at NHIS. Surprised he did'nt take a few of us
    out when he crossed the track after being black flagged and did'nt know
    what to do. HE stopped on the straight and crossed from right to left
    without a clue. Scary. Of course he gave "no speakade english".
    
    Amazing that it even happened, as it never did before.
    
      

Yeah, so the guy wasn't an expert at driving a car.
Big deal.  Still don't make it a sport.

Now, if the big bad drivers did their sport without
the aid of a big engine and a pit crew, it might
be a sport.

So, how long does a chevy or a ford have to train to
become an athlete?

JD

re: Chevy and Ford

Chevy Chase has been falling down for years. Gerald Ford played too long
without a football helmet.

So while driving cars mioght not be a sport, pushing the car around
the track certainly sounds like something you could get a Line on.

TTom

    
    JD,
    
    COme up with me this weekend to the 70th running of the Loudon Classic.
    Toss my 100hp, 350lb, 600cc F2 Honda around for a few laps and then
    pass judgement on motorsports. Being an avid Hockey player and
    roadracer, I think I know what it takes to be an athelete. Just because
    someone is'nt running up and down the court for 60 minutes does'nt mean
    that they are not, and it's a total package involving man, mind and
    machine. 
    
    Being one that has obviously not been to any form of motorsports, let
    alone competed in motorsports on any level, how can you pass judgement
    on it ?
    
     

    
      TH, he's just baiting you. I'm sure you know that but just
     in case you don't.

Well being that I've never ridden a motorcycle, it would probably
be darn hard for me.   Still don't make it a sport.  The machine
does the hard work.  A machine.  

I don't consider endeavors that need a motor to work to be
sports.

If you dont' do it using your own muscle power, without the
aid of a motor, it ain't a sport.

Now, if you pushed that sucker around louden, or pedelled it,
I'd be mighty impressed.

And seeing the obviously quite in shape fellows on their hogs
on the way to Louden, its obvious how athletic they are...

JD

    How about taking this discussion to the Motor Sport topic.

Sorry Mac.   Motor Sports it is.

Allen Iverson, among the top prep hoops recruits, has been convicted of
three felony counts of "maiming by mob", each of which carry a possible
20 years sentence. He was convicted of being a_instigator of brawl at a
bowling alley.

Iverson from Hampton (Va) Bethel High averaged 32 points, 8 assists and 6
rebounds lasted season. He was also the top rated player at the Nike
All-American Basketball Festival.

Top schools that were still in the running for his services included
Duke, Georgetown and Kentucky. Needless to say, the possible
incarceration is dampening the enthusiasm.

TTom

Article: 10243
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.news.law.crime.trial,clari.news.law.crime.violent,clari.news.interest.people,clari.local.california
Subject: 'Rainbow Man' sentenced to three life terms
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 93 11:42:19 PDT
 
	LOS ANGELES (UPI) -- A self-proclaimed religious zealot known as the 
``Rainbow Man'' was handcuffed and removed from court Tuesday for
screaming at prosecutors during his sentencing hearing.
	Superior Court Judge Robert O'Neill ordered Rollen Frederick Stewart,
47, out of court and then sentenced him to three life terms with the
possibility of parole.
	Stewart was convicted in June of holding a woman hostage for nine
hours at the Hyatt Hotel Sept. 22, 1992. He also was convicted of
holding two day laborers at the hotel before they escaped.
	Stewart was removed from court after he repeatedly interrupted the
prosecutor, saying he held the three people hostage to attract publicity
and warn others that the end of the world was near.
	``I was trying to prevent a greater harm...the nuclear holocaust,''
Stewart screamed.
	While trying to fight off 10 bailiffs, Stewart said, ``Forgive them
Lord they know not what they're doing.''
	Stewart was convicted of three felony counts of hostage taking, each
carrying a life term. He also was convicted of burglary and filing a
false bomb report to police.
	Stewart was dubbed the ``Rainbow Man'' for wearing a rainbow-colored
wig to professional football games and other major sporting events while
holding up posters referring to Bible verses.

A little more on Iverson:

Iverson was convicted of 3 counts of maiming by mob. 

Kentucky, meanwhile, has quit recruiting him. 

And Iverson's latest problem is that the Hampton School Board will meet
to determine his eligibility at Hampton Bethel High. The board announced
that they will make a ruling after Iverson is sentenced August 18.

TTom

    
    	CU All-Universe split end Michael Westbrook has himself
    	a court date in Boulder.  He wallopped some guy who said
    	bad things to his girlfriend.
    
    Claybone

A 42 year-old man who claims he sqandered a $7 million Colorado lottery Jackpot
was convicted Wednesday in Cambridge Mass., of failing to pay $32,000 in child 
support for his 2 sons. Albert (sucker) Tecci of Las Vegas was sentenced to 18
months in Jail. 
Tecci won a $7 million jackpot which he was to receive in annual payments 
totaling $4.8 million over 25 years. But Tecci sold the yearly payments to an
Arizona title company in 1991 for a lump sum of about $1.5 million -- which he 
spent.  

    STEW-PED!

    I wonder if dependents can sue title company on basis that ?% of yearly
    payments are rightly theirs.  In fact I doubt it would ever get to
    court.  There must be a clause (Tecci) had to sign saying he didn't owe
    child support, taxes etc.

      4 mil to 1.5 mil and its gone?  This guy is a total idiot!  Paying
    the child support shoulda been the 1st thing he did,  but then again
    its obvious he doesn't like his kids!
    
      18 months is all he got?    To bad!
    
      Tim

    There is a strong suspicion that he's hidden the money somehow.
    
    Lee

   There is a strong suspicion that he's hidden the money somehow.
    
    Lee
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


In a Vegas slot machine.... Good place to hide money. 

    Perhaps, but I'd bet he's got a good-sized bundle of cash hidden away
    somewhere.

Article: 9369
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Former Boston Celtic Webb to serve 30 days in jail
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 93 8:59:12 PDT
 
	CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (UPI) -- Former Boston Celtic Marcus Webb was
sentenced to serve 30 days in jail Tuesday after pleading guilty to a
reduced charge of indecent assault and battery to avoid a trial for
rape.
	Webb entered the plea just before his rape trial was to begin in
Cambridge.
	Middlesex Superior Court Judge Robert Barton sentenced Webb, 22, to
serve 30 days of a three-to five-year sentence, the balanced to be
suspended under supervised probation for three years.
	In addition, Webb was ordered not to have any contact with the
victim, a former girlfriend, and was ordered to undergo ``appropriate
counseling,'' prosecutors said.
	The former Celtic rookie forward was waived by the team on March 18,
the same day he was arrested by Waltham police and charged with
aggravated rape.
	Webb's former girlfriend told police that she was anally raped on the
night of March 4 while in Webb's Waltham apartment. Webb had been
indicted on two counts of rape, but one was dropped after the woman told
doctors she had consented to oral sex.
	After serving his jail sentence, Webb will be allowed to travel
nationally and internationally to pursue basketball interests, according
to prosecutors.

In basketball:

Celtics forward Alaa Abdelnaby pleaded no contest to a criminal charge of
possession of marijuana and paid a $300 fine.

In baseball:

Vince Coleman of the Mets was charged with a felony for throwing
a_explosive device outside Dodger Stadium. The device injured 3 people
including 2 children. Meanwhile, Coleman has taken a leave from the Mets.

TTom

Article: 11714
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (ED STATTMANN)
Newsgroups: clari.news.law.crime.trial,clari.sports.misc,clari.news.interest.people,clari.news.top
Subject: Tyson loses rape conviction appeal
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 93 13:16:29 PDT
 
	INDIANAPOLIS (UPI) -- Former world heavyweight boxing champion Mike
Tyson Friday lost a split decision in the appeal of his convictions for
rape and deviate sexual conduct.
	The 72-page, 2-1 decision by the Indiana Court of Appeals reviewed
defense arguments alleging Tyson was unfairly convicted of raping a Miss
Black America beauty pageant contest, Desiree Washington, of Providence,
Rhode Island. She said he raped her in July 1991 in his hotel room when
Tyson was visiting Indianapolis as a guest of the annual Indiana Black
Expo.
	The decision means Tyson, 27, must continue serving his six-year
prison sentence at the Indiana Youth Center just west of Indianapolis.
	The Rev. Charles Williams, president of Indiana Black Expo, said
Tyson is angry about the decision.
	``He feels and knows in his heart that he was innocent and he knows
that he did not get a fair trial,'' Williams said.
	But Deval Patrick, Washington's lawyer, said the decision
demonstrates ``to Desiree and to all rape victims that you can get
justice in the courts.''
	``Desiree is weary, but satisfied that Mr. Tyson got a full and fair
trial and appeal,'' he said.
	Justice Patrick Sullivan, in a 20-page dissent, said Tyson got an
unfair trial for two reasons. He said the trial judge, Marion Superior
Court Judge Patricia Gifford, wrongly prevented the surprise testimony
of three defense witnesses who would have said they saw Tyson and the
then 18-year-old Washington kissing in a limousine outside his hotel.
	Sullivan said Gifford also erred in refusing to instruct the jury to
consider the defense assertion that Tyson believed Washington had
consented to intercourse.
	Majority Judges V. Sue Shields and Jonathan Robertson said Gifford
properly ruled that Tyson's defense lawyers waited too long in notifying
the prosecution about the three surprise witnesses.
	They said testimony that Tyson and Washington, who has allowed the
press to use her name in stories about the incident, may have been
cuddling in the car before they entered the hotel was not vital to his
defense.
	The majority judges said the proposed defense instruction concerning
consent was not justified because ``no gray area exists from which Tyson
can logically argue that he misunderstood D.W.'s (Washington's) actions.
''

    
>>Vince Coleman of the Mets was charged with a felony for throwing
>>a_explosive device outside Dodger Stadium. The device injured 3 people
>>including 2 children. Meanwhile, Coleman has taken a leave from the Mets.
    
    Maybe they should attach one of the same "explosive devices" to
    Coleman's gonads as reasonable punishment fer what he did...on second
    thought, that'd be too light a sentence, seeing as he injured a very
    young un', as well as a few others.
    
    JMHO
    
    JaKe
    

    Jake,
    
    Coleman plays for the MEts, therefore he has no gonads.
    
    hth
    
    Brews

Article: 6633
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.football,clari.biz.courts,clari.local.pennsylvania
Subject: Mansion of former Eagles owner on auction block
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 93 7:27:37 PDT
 
	PHILADELPHIA (UPI) -- The home of former Philadelphia Eagles owner
Leonard Tose will be auctioned off next month to settle debts owed to
his creditors.
	The estate in Radnor Township, a wealthy Philadelphia suburb, is
valued at more than $1 million.
	Tose, 78, has fallen on hard financial times since selling the Eagles
to Norman Braman for more than $65 million in 1985. He blames his
problems on a gambling problem that caused him to lose $14 million at
Atlantic City casinos.
	Tose sued the Sands Hotel Casino this year, claiming that casino
employees plied him with alcohol and then allowed him to gamble away
millions of dollars.
	But a federal jury found in April that the casino was not liable for
Tose's losses.
	Tose, who still lives in his house, remains hopeful his home will not
be sold at the auction scheduled for Sept. 1. He said he plans to live
there ``forever.''

    
    Meanwhile, out on the left coast, in Hayward to be precise, a 18 year
    old LITTLE LEAGUER (18????) has been arrested and charged with
    murdering a fan at a game by popping him with a baseball bat (single
    swing too).
    The radion broadcast didni't have much details but I think it was
    caused during a fan-player melee.
    
    I remain,
    estimating that he'll never play pro baseball.....
    Kev
    

	Kev,  where do you get this stuff???   

	If'n the guy is really 18 than he must be in "Big League".  They are 
	affiliated with Williamsport, but are for the 16-18 year olds.  
	The teams we played in Nova Scotia this summer were Big League teams.


	billl

    Billlllll,
    
    from various sources/places.  (hth)  ;^)
    
    AND, as I stated in my earlier message, I heard this little gem on the
    radion!  (WBZ at ~8:00AM nooz broadcast).
    
    I remain,
    not a reader while I drive
    Kev
    

    Here's another jem to generate massive protests?
    
    In Pocatella, Idaho (where the leasure suit still rules), a contest was
    held to name the AA team.  The winner's prize would be to play one
    inning with the pro's.
    
    Shortly before the game, MLB ruled that the winner couldn't play in the
    game, citing some nebulous crap about liability and potential injury.
    
    The winner was understandably cruched for had he been allowed to play,
    he would have become the youngest player every to play in a
    professional baseball game.
    
    The kid, 3 foot 6 inches, 80 pounds was * 4 * years old!
    
    Don't believe me????  Check out today's Woostah Telegram, page 1 of the
    sprots section!
    
    I remain,
    not driving so I cain read (safely)!
    Kev
    

A full day in the life of lawyers:

  o  Little League has disqualified the teams from Taiwan and Dominican 
Republic because they used ineligible players. Dominican Republic used 
over age players and players outside league boundaries. Taiwan fielded a 
team from one school with 1,200 students. LL rules require 4 different 
teams from a school that large.

  o  Jimmy Jackson was found innocent of all charges by a jury in 
Columbus, Ohio. Jackson had been charged with waving a gun a four people 
back in December.

  o  Drew Bledsoe was fined $143.50 for carrying a_open beer on a 
Newport, R.I., street.

  o  Marvelous Marvin Hagler has been charged with drunken driving, He'll 
be tried in Conway, N.H.

    An 80lb four year old would be more likely to have a career as a sumo
    wrestler than as a baseball player, so it's probably just as well.
    
    Chris

Article: 2760
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball.college,clari.local.sfbay,clari.local.california
Subject: Former Cal coach files suit against university
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 93 15:41:38 PDT
 
	SAN FRANCISCO (UPI) -- Former University of California-Berkeley
basketball coach Lou Campanelli, who was fired in the middle of last
season, filed a $5 million lawsuit against the university Wednesday.
	Campanelli filed his suit in United States District Court in San
Francisco and named not only the university but Athletic Director Bob
Bockrath and Vice Chancellor Dan Boggan as defendants.
	Campanelli's attorney Joseph Alioto said the two officials had been
named because they orchestrated ``the circumstances of the brutal mid-
season firing -- circumstances completely unworthy of a great university.
''
	Alioto pointed out that just two weeks before his firing, Campanelli
had been congratulated by university officials for his team's 22-point
victory over UCLA.
	Bochrath said the move was being made because of Campanelli's abusive
handling of his young players.
	Mike Smith, an attorney with the university, said negotiations had
been going on for some time in an effort to avoid a courtroom showdown.
	``We've done everything we could do to avoid this suit,'' Smith said.
``I think the talks were cordial, but we have not come close to
settling. Now the university will study the case and prepare our
defense.''
	The university attorney also challenged Campanelli's claim that Cal
could not fire him without due process.
	``Typically, coaches' contracts are not permanent tenure contracts,''
Smith said. ``We had a contract that was terminable by either party. It
provides for compensation for Lou and we have every intention of
fulfilling those obligations.''
	The complaint details how Campanelli was summoned from his home on
Feb. 8, 1993 and fired by Bockrath. It also says that Campanelli has not
been able to find another job.
	In the suit, Campanelli asks for the $5 million in damages because he
was not given proper due process and that the firing has placed a stigma
on him in the job market.
	The Golden Bears went 11-2 after Campanelli was replaced by Todd
Bozeman and advanced to the NCAA Tournament Sweet 16 before losing to
Kansas.

Article: 901
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.football.college
Subject: NCAA slaps 2-year penalty on Auburn
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 93 10:22:56 PDT
 
	OVERLAND PARK, Kan. (UPI) -- Auburn's football program, dogged by
allegations of major rules violations, Wednesday was placed on two
years' probation by the NCAA.
	The NCAA Committee on Infractions found Auburn guilty of major rules
violations and barred the football team from participating in postseason
competition the next two years.
	Auburn also is not eligible to appear in any telecast, either live or
delayed, during the 1993 season. If Auburn has previously entered into
television contracts for this season, the penalty will be imposed in
1994.
	An Auburn official was uncertain when the television penalty would be
imposed.
	The probation begins Nov. 23, 1993, the date the probationary period
ends in the school's most recent infractions case.
	Richard Swank, the chairman of the comittee, said that Auburn was not
given the ``death penalty'' because the infractions occured took place
the team went on its current probation. If the infractions had occurred
during the probation, Auburn could have had its program suspended for
several years.
	The NCAA sent a letter of injuiry to Auburn last fall detailing an
investigation into nine reported rules violations in the Auburn football
program.
	The NCAA has been investigating accusations by former football player
Eric Ramsey, who secretly recorded conversations in which he talked with
Auburn coaches and a booster about receiving payments and gifts in
violation of NCAA rules. The letter also alleged that former head coach
Pat Dye was aware of the alleged violations.
	The NCAA found that extra benefits and cash payments were made to an
athlete by an assistant coach and a ``representative of Auburn's
athletic interests''. Auburn also was found to have not met all
eligibility requirements for playersand to have exceeded the permissible
number of grant-in-aids.
	Auburn imposed a number of sanctions on itself. The sanctions include
a reduction of football grant-in-aids and a permanent disassociation of
the school from the unnamed assistant coach and a former administrative
assistant involved in the investigation.
	Dye resigned prior the Tigers' season finale against Alabama last
fall. Terry Bowden, the son of Florida State coach Bobby Bowden, was
named as Dye's replacement.
	Dye had a 99-38-4 record at Auburn and guided the Tigers to four
Southeastern Conference championships.

Article: 2763
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball.college
Subject: Missouri suspends basketball star
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 14:50:26 PDT
 
	COLUMBIA, Mo. (UPI) -- The University of Missouri today suspended star
basketball forward Jevon Crudup for the fall semester for his alleged
involvement in two off-the-court violations of team rules.
	The school did not specify the two off-the-court incidents, but
Missouri State police arrested Crudup early this morning on charges of
driving while intoxicated.
	Captain Charles Jackson of the Missouri State police said Crudup was
initally stopped by police on Interstate 70, west of Columbia, for
failure to drive on the right half of the road. Jackson said Crudup was
weaving from lane to lane and was later discovered to be intoxicated
when tested by police.
	Missouri basketball Coach Norm Stewart issued the following statement
while announcing Crudup's suspension. 
	``I'm suspending Jevon Crudup for the first semester. At the
conclusion of the semester, we'll review and evaluate his future status
with the University of Missouri basketball team. In this situation, we
want to do two things -- what's best for the ballclub, and what's best
for Jevon Crudup. To that end, I expect him to concentrate on
maintaining his status as a solid student, and take advantage of the
additional counseling services available through the Athletic
Department's Total Person Program. I want to make the suspension now.
It's conditions are contingent on the outcome of Jevon's legal case. If
something would change there, I'd re-evaluate our position.''
	Crudup averaged 13.6 points and 8.3 rebounds in 33 games for the
Tigers last season. 

    Hot off the wire ....
    
    PG sensation Alan Iverson, who everybody had ranked as the top prep
    floor general in the USA, has been sentenced in Virginia and received
    a stiff five (5) year sentence.  He was involved in some kindof trouble
    at a bowling alley - assault I think.
    
    The rising senior will be eligible for parole in ten (10) months.  
    
    
    - ACC Chris

 It's perfect timing too as Joey Brown will be graduating this year...
 
Go get em' JT!!! Nothing like a good reform story to sell to the public..

mike

Mini broohaha:

Steve Taneyhill, who guided South Carolina to a_upset win at Georgia, was
busted for possession of alcohol by a minor. The court let him cop a plea
of no contest to a first offense and sentenced him to do 30 hours of
community service.

The controversy is that yesterday morning, the coach announced that
Taneyhill would start this Saturday at Arkansas. This was done before the
court ruling and seemed to come across as they we're going to start him
independent of what the court ruled.

In any case, if'n you haven't caught Taneyhill, he's worth watching. He's
only a sophomore and should be mentioned for the Heisman by his senior
year.

TTom

    Now that Jerry Tarkanian is out of college basketball it's hard to know
    where Iverson will end up.  At 6-1 the pros ain't exactly gonna be
    busting his door er, cell, down.
    
    In other recruiting news BobKnight has already had yet another
    outstanding recruiting year.  He inked the 6-8
    ChrisWebber/GlennRobinsonClone PF from Texas (last name is Patterson I
    believe) and signed a highly touted guard who's been attending his 
    Bob Camp for years.  This haul is coming on the heels of what most 
    had as the #1 quantitative class last year.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    re: Taneyhill
    
    Before all the self-righteous noters (Waugamain) log in to voice their
    outrage over USC's handling of this uControversy, consider the facts:
    
    Taneyhill, USC's superb 20-year-old QB, is at a party with around 100
    other people, drinking a beer.  (Technically illegal, since the
    drinking age is 21.)  Some neighbor logs a dissorderly complaint, the
    police show up, and Taneyhill is the *ONLY* person arrested, despite
    the fact that he was not the least bit disorderly himself.  (He went
    quietly when arrested.)
    
    Inexplicable, but to Taneyhill's credit he's said he doesn't think he
    was treated too harshly.  (Ha!)
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    Methinks these Columbia cops gots too much time on their hooves.
    
    Sounds jest like the same thang that happened to Rick Mirer and
    Demetrius Dubose in South Bend two autumns ago. 
    
    No way that USC should suspend him.
    
    MikeL
    

Bleeding heart Knorr ignores one fact that coulda made this whole thing a
little easier to swallow.

They coulda - and shoulda - waited until the courts acted. By announcing
that he would start before the court decision they set up a secondary
fomentation. Take your pick on any of these inferences: they don't care
what the courts say; they already knew the results of the courts before
it was announced; they caused the results of the courts; etc.

All they had to do was wait a couple of hours and they'd be clean.

Now, the fact that Taneyhill was the only one arrested makes it sound
like the neighbor was a disgruntled Bulldog. It stinks.

TTom

    So in other words TTom, USC did the correct thing by not suspending
    Taneyhill, but committed a public relations boo-boo by not waiting for
    a court decision that wasn't gonna change their response in the least. 
    Bah.
    
    I applaud the 'Cocks for being honest and forthright about the fact 
    that this whole thing (to use the words of The Grinch):
    
    STINK.  STANK.  STUNK!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    
    
         Could one of you Sportster lawyers please help out on this.
    
    Party A (me) made a P_Name bet with party B (Welcher Yoseff)
    
    The bet was made in the Yankee file but I took it too mean that the
    bet was for all notesfiles. I am replying in the Yankee file at least 2
    or 3 times a week. He only responds once or twice a month.
    
    Whatta ya guys think?
    
    
    Thanks Chappy

 Chappy, it might help if you posted the exact terms of the bet.

    Seems to be fair by me (IMO)
    
    I remain,
    yer social director doing temporary secretarial duties,
    Ms_Kev  :*)
    
    
    
From:	SACAE1::francus "Yoseff Francus"  9-SEP-1993 12:08:45.31
To:	csteam::farley
CC:	
Subj:	Kev, please post in ::sports, I have 'saw's permission to post his mail

Folks who want to see my p_name loss to chappy are advised to check note
21.853 in ::yankees, which is where the bet was made.

tcm

------- Forwarded Messages

TCM,

This is your original mail to me.  It'll take me a bit o' time to
find my reply with a "ruling".....

fw

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From:	METSNY::francus "Yoseff Francus" 26-JUL-1993 16:39:09.18
To:	cam::way
CC:	
Subj:	will need a ruling


Barring a miracle the Yankees will have more wins in 1993 than the
Mets will. Which means that I will lose my p_name bet with Chappy.
The p_name bet was actually made in the YANKEES notesfile not
in ::sports. Do you interpret p_name bets as including all notesfiles
for the period of time that the bet specifies, or just the one where
the bet was made?? You have a few weeks to come up with a Solomonic
decision.

tcm

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Subject: MY RULING....
Status: RO

From:	CAM::WAY "Just gettin' after it  26-Jul-1993 1651" 26-JUL-1993 16:54:03.31
To:	METSNY::francus
CC:	WAY
Subj:	RE: will need a ruling

I'll give this some thought.

Off the top of my head, I'd say it unless very specifically worded, it
only applies to the notes file where it was made....

fw

------- End of Forwarded Messages

Where did I say anything about USC doing the right thing.

I do believe that they did indeed blow the PR side of things, independent
of anything else.

And where you got the information that the court decision wasn't gonna
change their response is anyone's guess. At first glance, supposed he'd
pull a weekend, like this weekend. That's not gonna change anything? 

And if'n USC is so honest and forthright, and agree with you that the
whole thing stinks, why didn't they say so. They didn't so you're making
up that part to. FYI, the statement from the school, announced prior to
any court decision, stated that they would handle this internally and
make sure Taneyhill understood the gravity of the situation.

As for Taneyhill, he dismissed any conspiracy about him being a target,
or he was singled out, or the like.

But don't let any of these facks stop you from making it all up as you go
along.

TTom

 Well personally given the bet was sports related the manly thing to do
 would be to wear the p_name in here. Legally TCM, would win a conference
 only trial but could he bear to loose the respect of his peers???

 mike

    
    
        Thanks Mike.
    
    He's already lost my respect though!
    
    
    Too death with....
    1 Child Molesters
    2 Satan Worshippers
    3 Cowboy fans
    4 BET WELCHERS
    
    Chappy
    
    

TCM asked me for a sports-related ruling back in July (on the 26th to be
exact).

It was my opinion at the time, that if the bet was made in Yankees, it
applied to Yankees, and that explicit terms should be made clear at the
time of the bet.

There is nothing to require TCM to wear any p-name in here, nor is there
anything to would prevent him from doing so.


In practice, it varies.  I personally would not change my p-name to note
in one file, then change it back to something else in another.


In the past we've argued over explicitness in terms of the p-name itself
(caps vs lower-case etc) but never over where it has to be worn.


My personal opinion would be that the implication of having to wear it
in all files (or even all sports-related ones) is not enough to cause
the loser of the bet to have to wear it in all places, if the expectation
was not brought up at the time of the bet.....



'Saw

Hey, let's take this P-name stuff to JUNK where it belongs.

Knorr and I are trying to have a_LDUC here about USC and Taneyhill.

TTom

 TCM may be a lot of things (annoying little twit is right at the top of
 the list) but welcher ain't one of them. You can go back and look up one
 of the MANY p-name bets that he's lost and see that he always pays up.

    > And if'n USC is so honest and forthright, and agree with you that the
    > whole thing stinks, why didn't they say so. 

    > As for Taneyhill, he dismissed any conspiracy about him being a target,
    > or he was singled out, or the like.

    Come off it TTom, USC (and Taneyhill, under USC's or his attorneys
    prudent advice) are playing the Political Correctness game to the hilt. 
    In this era of high publicized cases of athletes receiving preferential
    treatment it would've been **BIG-TIME** Politically Incorrect for them
    to go public with the fact that this whole thing is flat-out
    ridiculous.  (BTW, a USC perfessor with some kindof PhD did come out
    and point out the absurdity of it all, but a_course he wasn't an
    official spokesperson for Taneyhill or the university.)  Not only was
    he up against the "Athlete Receives Preferential Treatment" backlash
    but the anti-drinking (i.e. MADD, etc.) lobbyists who've convinced us
    that a kid is old enough to go fight and die in a war but not old
    enough to sip a beer from a cup.
    
    Taneyhill got caught in a trap that couldn't have been laid out more
    perfectly.  He's in a completely indefensible position and did the
    correct thing by minimizing his losses.  USC, to their credit, realized
    the absurdity of this and knew it'd blow over, but wasn't for one
    NewYorkMinute gonna even contemplate the possibility of this non-issue
    costing them a winnable game.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

I didn't think it was politically correct to openly state "Who cares what
the courts say".

Is this from a recent edition of the manuals?

TTom

    
    Yabbut this is da LOCKERROOM!  not da Bronx ZOO!  IMO, what Craze did
    in the ::Zoo file stays in da ::Zoo file.  There ain't no spill over
    into the ::Lockerroom.
    
    I vote with 'Saw on Craze's behalf.
    
    I remain,
    1/2 Solomon?
    Kev
    

    What if Taneyhill had gotten a speeding ticket (also a misdemeanor
    violation, and btw speeding actually can kill, as opposed to drinking
    beer from a cup)?  Should USC have waited to find out the penalty
    before announcing he was gonna play on Saturday?
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

If USC knew that the speeding ticket woulda been dealt with yesterday,
then YES.

TTom

    Thank you all for your support. My p_name for this note, as you can
    see, is "Mets in '94"; this is to emphasize that I can use any p_name I
    choose in this notesfile. 
    
    However, in the spirit of which these bets
    are made, I will use the p_name that Chappy has selected for the next
    few days, maybe a week, in all notesfiles, and periodically after that
    through October 9th. I will also try and note more often in ::yankees.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    
    
        No!
    
          Forget the whole bet. I just know who I'm dealing with for now on
    If I would have lost the bet I would have paid in full. Don't humor me
    cuz I don't need no humoring from a Welcher.
    
             In the Future guys you better get him to sign a contract or
    he'll screw you too.
    
    
    Chappy.
       

    po' po' Chappy, getting all riled up. Kinda nice to see - almost as
    nice as the Yankees blowing chance #18 to be in 1st place all alone.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    re: .150
    
    nah that qualifies as a SDUC.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    
        Not really riled up TCW just trying to prove a point. Put it this
    way if you adhere to the bet (NOT WELCH) it will be alot less painful
    in the longrun. Afterall a TCW here or there does alot to a persons
    character.
    
    But I won't call you TCW again til I see you (WELCHED)
    
    Chappy

    Yabbut Chap,
    
    jest because Craze found a (unmentioned) loophole in the bet doesn't
    necessarily make him a welcher.
    
    I remain,
    wondering how many loopholes are yet to be discovered?
    Kev
    

    Umm, last I heard a welcher is someone who does not pay up on a bet. If
    a bet is paid up, then a person cannot be deemed a welcher for it.
    Based on precedence p_name bets have applied to the notesfile where the
    bet was made, in this case ::yankees. Therefore, as long as the p_name
    is correct there, the p_name bet is paid in full. Anything else I
    choose to do is out of the goodness of my heart which rarely does
    anything that could please a Yankees fan.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

>                -< didn't dan'l start these loophole thingies? >-

No, actually Bob Hunt found a lucious little loophole one time, that
was quite technical in nature....


And /Don found one that earned him the title "RoachyPoachyMain" from
MrT.....


'Saw

    re: .162
    
    I think Bob Hunt started the loophole thing. It had something to do
    with him having different notebooks or 2 different classes in one
    notebook.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    notes collision.
    
    what was the one that /'er found??
    
    The Crazy Met
    

>    what was the one that /'er found??
    
If I remember, Slasher changed the tone of the p-name, by writing part
of it in lower case.  In effect it had the opposite meaning, if I remember
correctly.

MrT objected, and caused a ruckus, and coined the name /RoachyPoachyMain
and the rest was history.    

    > next question
    
    Next question indeed.  I'll have to remind my boss next time I get a 
    speeding ticket to please pull me off phone support UNTIL the judge has 
    ruled on the case.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

  This little trip down memory lane is real sweet and TCM's heartfelt thanks
 to all who came to his defense still has me all choked up (and you didn't
 think you had any friends that weren't on retainer, TCM) but none of it has
 squat to do with jurisprudence.

    re: .167
    
    was that the p_name that had BobKnight and some other coaches in it?
    
    The Crazy Met
    

Look at this another way.

USC has just gone through a relatively difficult time in athletics and
general and football in particular. They had a_opportunity to help
themselves and their image and blew it.

All they had to do was wait a couple of hours and then we could focus on
the relative merits of Taneyhill's case. But they didn't and in fact
received a great deal of criticism, at least in these here parts, from
about everyone. The biggest complaint was that the announcement came off
as a total disregard for the court procedings. This isn't only my
impression but is almost unanimously agreed upon. The media and the talk
shows were full of this opinion.

>    Next question indeed.  I'll have to remind my boss next time I get a 
>    speeding ticket to please pull me off phone support UNTIL the judge has 
>    ruled on the case.

Have you or your boss been in trouble with your bosses lately? If so, he
might want to take your advise. What type of speeding ticket did you get?
What type of trouble has your boss been in?

TTom

Local interpretation: USC said screw the courts, we're taking care of it.

TTom

    TTom,
    
    Thanks for supporting my premise that USC did the Politically Incorrect
    thing in their handling of this case.  I mean, if the press is nearly
    unanimous in their consensus it must be so!
    
    Haw!
    
    
    - ACC Chris

Of course we must consider the source.

All of this is from the guy who thought it was a good thing to not punish
a player for attempting to strangle his girlfriend.

TTom

    > All of this is from the guy who thought it was a good thing to not
    > punish a player for attempting to strangle his girlfriend.
    
    Completely and 100% false.  My contention throughout the KingRice issue
    was that Dean had every right NOT to publicize the punishment
    he gave Rice.  (i.e. punishment that went above the Community Service
    time Rice received from the courts)
    
    
    - ACC Chris

And how many games was Rice suspended for? Let me help: 0.

You obviously approved of the "punishment" which was levied.

TTom

Was Slime Lice even punished at all? We'll never know due to Dean's "system" of
justice....

Metz

    > And how many games was Rice suspended for?
    > You obviously approved of the "punishment" which was levied.
    
    What's obvious is that I approve of the integrity of Dean Smith and his
    ability to do what's right, what's fair, and what's best for the
    individual.  Since no one knows what the actual punishment was, it
    would be foolish for anyone to comment on whether they "approve" or not.
    
    Rice, BTW, is currently an assistant coach in Division 1A (Oregon
    State).  (i.e. Yet another Dean Success Story.)
    
    
    - ACC Chris

No, we don't know the punishment that Rice received, and that might be a
good thing. But we do know that it did not involve any game suspensions
and that speaks loudly. 

BTW, the handgun issue in Chapel Hill is still raging. Not as acerbic as
the p-name battles in here, but no too shabby, either.

TTom

    Re-1
    :-)

VNS MAIN NEWS:                                     +Tom Povey, VNS UK News Desk+
--------------                                     +Reading, England           +

     Here is the News at 07:00 BST on Thursday 16-Sep-1993
     -----------------------------------------------------

     UK News
     -------

     Nearly 80 welsh soccer fans were arrested last night before the match
     between Cardiff and Liege in Liege. Most were deported after the match
     but 4 are to appear in court tomorrow.

re: last

Cardiff fans have a bad reputation, so please don't condemn all football fans
because of a small minority. Also what tends to happen is that if a single guy
(or 4 in this case) starts making trouble, the police arrest every fan in the
area which does nothing for cordial fan-police relations, and makes things look
far more serious than they really are.

The European police keep a computer database stacked with information about
football fans that they consider to be dangerous, and there are accusations that
the database is inaccurate. So the 4 guys detained might even be cases of
wrongful arrest (they might not be of course).

Most football fans are fairly peaceful these days, mainly because of a
long-running and fairly successful anti-hooligan campaign.

If you are worried about what's going to happen when the football (soccer?)
World Cup comes to the USA, don't be. There'll be a few hooligans but I doubt
they'll cause much real damage, and the vast majority of people will watch
football peacefully enough.

Mike

    
    I think if there was some real action in the game itself, the fans
    wouldn't have to go top the extremem to make the game interesting.
    
    BOSS

Article: 3083
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.news.law.crime.trial,clari.news.group.women
Subject: Wife of Redskins' owner arrested on drunken driving charge
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 3:16:52 PDT
 
	WASHINGTON (UPI) -- The wife of Washington Redskins owner Jack Kent
Cooke was arrested Wednesday after police observed her car speeding down
the street with a man clinging to the hood, the Washington Post reported
Thursday.
	Washington police said Marlene Chalmers Cooke, 37, was charged with
reckless driving and driving under the influence after police pulled her
over after she was seen speeding through the city with a man, Patrick
Wermer, 26, hanging onto the car's hood.
	Cooke was released pending a court appearance. Wermer was released
after paying a fine for disorderly conduct.
	The team owner declined to comment on the arrest of his Bolivian
wife, who is reportedly facing deportation after pleading guilty in 1986
to drug smuggling charges. Authorities told the newspaper her 1990
marriage to a U.S. citizen does not automatically exempt her from
deportation.
	Last May, Marlen Cook was treated after accidentally shooting herself
in the finger.

    HAHA
    I also heard on ther radio that this man Wermer who was hoppin' a
    ride on her car is reportedly Mrs. Cooke's nephew, according to her,
    yea right. And whence the DC cops axed her to do the field sobriety
    test, she claimed her high heels made her walk crooked. So the cop
    done told her to take 'em off and start walkin' after midnight so
    to speak. So the genial Mrs Cooke done throwed her shoes at the
    flatfoot. Hmmmm... things not to do when stopped by the Po'leece
    for DUI.
    
    
    MikeL
    

How old is Jack Kent Cooke BTW?

Our paper posted a picture of the Mrs....She's quite the looker. She couldn't
possibly have married him for his money could she?

BTW - While leaving the police station Mrs. Kent Cooke told reporters that
"some drunk jumped on the hood of my car." and that she was at the station to
press charges....I think it took the reporters all of 30 seconds to get the
real story...

Metz

    MoneyMoneyMoneyMoney.....MONEY!!! For the Love Of Money!!!
    
    Almighty Dollar!
    
    JKC's been lookin' for love in all the wrong places... this one
    be the 4th Mrs. Cooke!
    
    MikeL
    

   I'm with Slasher. She'd probably still would have married him if
  he were just an impoverished octegnarian and she had to change 
  colostomy bags for him and he would have married her if she were a 
  toothless old bar hag who drooled a lot and harped over and over
  how "all men are bastids". The look of love in those two wacky kids 
  eyes whenever the camera turns to the plush owners box at RFK is
  something money just can't buy.

    
    	JKC is 80.
    
    	Tommy, that sarcasm dripping from your keyboard is gonna
    	clog it up!  :*)  Careful now or you won't be able to
    	N/U past Heiser's notes......
    
    Claybone

    	Tommy, that's just so (sniff), beautiful.
    
    				/Don

Nike has officially blown it, this time.

They sponsored a prep basketball tournament earlier this month in Oregon.
So far so good. A lotta good recruits and hopefuls showed up and good
times were had by all.

Now it turns out that Nike *PAID* the players. They gave each player a
$100 Nike gift certificate. Problem with this is that it violates a very
basic rule in almost every high school district and league against high
school players receiving compensation.

I read this in today's USA Today and there's almost a column of all the
players who are now in trouble. Most have been declared ineligible until
they return either the certificate if they haven't used it yet or the
shoes - or whatever - if they have bought anything. 

There's about 40 players involved and only a handful have been cleared at
this point.

"We dropped the ball on this one" is the quote from a Nike spokeman. I'd
say so.

TTom

    What a stupid interpretation of the rule.

re: .199

>    What a stupid interpretation of the rule.

Beg to differ with ya, Mac, on this one.

The $100 gift certificate is a financial benefit that is not extended to
the entire student population, only those attending the Nike tourney.
That is traditionally the main criterion for this type of situation.

Than the other way you can look at this, which makes it even worse,
which is that this is the equivalent to cash, just a limit on where you
can spend it.

Very bad for Nike. Most of the schools are taking the attitude that they
won't punish the kids for Nike's mistake but they have to return the
merchandise or the certificate to Nike.

TTom

    Then it's a stupid rule.

    
    What if it was $10,000?

It's a stupid rule to disallow paying amatuer, student-athlete type, high
school hoopsters?

Are you sure that's what you mean to be saying? Or is it that you don't
consider $100 buck gift certificate as payment?

TTom

    I don't see anything wrong with giving a pair of sneakers to a person
    who took time out of their schedule to play in a tournament designed to
    showcase a sponsor's product.
    
    If the rest of those students are complaining, they should have been
    better basketball players.

I'd agree with you Mac if and when they decide to reform this whole
sordid situation about who's allowed to get what from whom for doing
what.

Right now the guidelines are clear on 2 issues. I'm not defending them
but they do have some merit. One is that players don't financial rewards
because of hoops. The other is that players do not get special perqs not
available to the general student population.

The issue of shoes has a particular stigma. In the case of NCAA
penalties, what happens to the shoes is often one of the punished
violations. At NC State, the players sold their shoes and the school got
their hands slapped specifically for this.

>    If the rest of those students are complaining, they should have been
>    better basketball players.

There's not one word about this. However, the inanity of this statement
stands on its own merits and requires no supporting evidence.

TTom

Is this a debate on what should be or what is?

Right now it's agin the rules to pay the players. 

Scholarships are legal under this system. As are a great many other
benefits like trips to tourneys some of which are in Hawaii and other
resort type places. (I don't know if Oregon qualifies for resort,
though).

The "inanity" reference was to your comment "they should have been better
basketball players." 
 
Now if'n you wanna reform everything, certainly doing something about the
millions that the schools and the coaches get would be way up there on
the list. FWIW, I would like to see the college players get payed. I see
no problem why they can't earn work-study type money while they're
playing and practicing. Give 'em 20 hours a week at the going rate which
is probably around $5/hour. An easy 100 bucks a week for whatever.

But high school is another thing. There is no governing board that can
legislate this since most programs are under the jurisdiction of the
local school boards and state athelitic associations.

TTom

    RE Nike
    
    There's a kid here in Pgh. great High School player who went to that
    thing, now the WPIAL(Western Penna. Interscholastic Athletic League) is
    investigating it and going to have a hearing on whether to declare him
    ineligible because he accepted the gift certificate.
    
    JaKe
    
    

JaKe,

The article lists 3 Pennsylvanians in trouble over this. Dan Fortson,
6-9, Pittsburgh, Pete Lisicky, 6-3, Whitehall, and Johnny Miller, 6-1,
Quarryville. Fortson has returned the merchandise. All are pending the
rulings on their eligibility.

Of the 40 or so, only 4 have been cleared to continue playing.

TTom

> Maybe I should just join the junk noters.
    
You define 'em Mac

The Crazy Met

I ain't got no rules on this debate. I'm just trying to keep up with the
conversation.

You been over in ::CELTICS causing trouble or something, Mac. ;-)

TTom

The NCAA made a couple of announcements in this here domain.

First, the NCAA let stand the suspensions of Texas A&M football players
Greg Hill and Jessie Cox. They had suspended suspened five Aggies for
being paid by a booster for work they didn't do. Hill, a running back,
received a five game suspension and Cox, a linebacker, was suspended
for the entire season. A&M appealed claiming the penalties were excessive
for Hill and Cox. The NCAA did not agree.

Also, the NCAA has started a_investigation into the claims made my former
player, Gene Jelks, who claims he was paid money by a booster and
assistant coaches. Ray Perkins was head coach at the time, The NCAA
decided to start this after reviewing Jelks' allegations.

TTom

Lawyers for the NCAA and for former UNLV coach Jerry Tarkanian are going
to court today to discuss the issue of due process.

NCAA rules do not require (hail, they don't even allow for) due process.
The Nevada legislature passed a law that state employee, including
basketball coaches at state institutions, may not be fired without due
process. 

So what we have is the NCAA telling UNLV to fire Tarkanian which they
must do in order to avoid the wrath of the NCAA but which they can't do
according to state law.

The state law has been declared unconstitutional by a federal district
court judge. The appeals court will consider this matter.

TTom

Nike Sneakergate update:

Tennessee has declared two of their top high school basketball stars
ineligible for this year because of their involvement with the Nike camp
in mid September in which the players were compensated with gift
certificates for Nike ware.

Ron Mercer, a 6-7 junior, and Lorenzen Wright, a 6-10 senior will be
allowed to practice with their teams but cannot play in games.

The two were suspended by the Tennessee Secondary Schools Athletic
Association for two offenses: one involving a rule for playing in
all-star games after school begins (late August) and the other for
accepting gifts or awards unless approved by the principal.

Mercer and Wright are the first of the players involved with the Nike
camp to be rule ineligible for the year.

Nike has volunteered to attend any appeal hearings to provide background
saying, "We're trying to whatever we can to shoulder the blame".

TTom

    somewhere...
    
    	A fellow was arrested and jailed for cheating in a pro-am.  His
    fellow golfers suspected him and a sheriff followed him around and when
    he signed a scorecard for a 67 charged him with shaving 13 strokes.
    
    	He is charged with a felony since he received a $50 gift
    certificate.
    
    	My question is ... If he shaved 1 stroke which made the difference
    between $100 and $50 is he still guilty? NO, then 12, etc.  eg I cannot
    see a successful prosecution.

    
    Apparently this guy had been doing it for years.  His total take over
    the years was in the thousands of dollars.

    but how are they going to convict him?  They need to have had a clear
    policy spelled out about what would consitute felonious conduct and
    probably a warning.
    
    Assuming normal standards of justice are to be followed in the case.

I heard a smiggin' of this story on Imass as I was waking up this morning - 

Someone, somewhere is sueing MTV because thier son was watching Bevis and 
Butthaid, and it incited him to committ arson.  

    My point is an attempt at cross examination and I'm not a lawyer.  What
    I would say would in essence be
    
    	At what point is one guilty in the eyes of the law as a result of
    conduct on a golf course?  For shaving 10 strokes?,5? 13?  For only counting
    out of bounds as +1; for dropping a ball (unplayable) and not using
    correct technique?
    
    	I have a friend who was assessed penalty strokes because of poor
    form (technically incorrect) when tapping in a putt - he was
    disqualified for signing an incorrect scorecard and the court in this
    case must be able to ensure that someone like my friend cannot be
    arrested if it were to occur in one of these high stakes charity
    affairs.

That's not as crazy as what I heard on the radio today...

It seems a couple  where the man underwent a vasectomy and the woman had her
tubes tied conceived a child...the baby was born yesterday....this time they
removed her tubes entirely but still wouldn't guarentee 100% chance of not
getting pregnant....

Vasectomies are supposed to be 99.9% effective and having your tubes tied is
supposed to be 99.8%  effective. The doctors can't figure out how she got
pregnant....


Metz who wished he placed a buck on those odds....

    another one is the Fortay case.  He is now qbing Rutgers after leaving
    Miami.
    
    He is suing U of M for various things: One of which is a Pell Grant
    "scandal" where he was implicated and had his name thrown around before
    it became evident he was innocent.
    
    The other part of the suit concerns promises that coach Erickson
    allegedly made.  This is seemingly nebulous since a coach can simply
    say "wasn't good enough" and as Fortay's several overthrown receivers 
    will attest, mr (Brian?) Fortay AIN'T.
    
    What may be interesting is the clash of ncaa/univ policies,styles with
    the law and if some of the $bucks thrown around (I believe $10million
    is the figure) ever change hands it could lead to a change in the way
    folks at the universities do things.
    

    re.224
    
    The way it was reported here, the guy had his vasectomy in 1988 or so,
    and 2 year later a kid was born.  Then the wifee underwent a tubal
    ligation, and, as you stated, the kid was born yesterday.
    
    I wonder if this guy has a little training facility in his gonads where
    these sperms get pumped up and trained and end up like little Arnold
    Schwarzeneggers, little commandos that will stop at nothing before
    accomplishing their mission.
    
    JaKe
    

    The guy who stabbed Monica Seles was given a 2 year suspended sentence.

Couldn't believe it when I heard that sentence. The judge has gott be on 
somethin'

The Crazy Met

    makes you feel better about the our legal system.
    
    brews

>    makes you feel better about the our legal system.
    
>    brews

  Hey Brews, I didn't know you lived in Germany.

  But really, you do have a point. My wife and I know first hand about how
  our legal system stinks. 2 1/2 years ago, we were robbed by a couple of
  22 year old dirtbags who had each had arrest records at least 2 1/2 pages
  long. Even though they both commited many serious crimes, only one of
  them spent any time in prison and that was only for 6 months. When they get
  arrested, they are ussually out on bail within 12 hours.
  
  For the last 2 1/2 years we've been talking to Sherriffs detectives and 
  DA people. And also making trips to look at pictures, identify evidence
  and stolen property. They knew who the bad guys were the day after we 
  reported the crime but it took a really dumb action by one of the bad guys 
  to get arrested and it took 1 1/2 years for the detectives to get enough 
  evidence to get a warrant for the other guys arrest. Then it took another
  6 months for them to arrest him. Then they let him out on bail and he skipped
  town. 3 months later they caught him again. Meanwhile the dirtbags 
  ex-girlfriend is scared to death that he's gonna kill her because she turn in 
  evidence on him. Also, the cops know of at least 4-5 other serious crimes 
  which he committed after the crime against us. Also, he fathered 2 more
  ilegitimate childen with different gullable teenagers.

  We received a couple of subpoena's to appear in court and then had them 
  cancelled the night before because of the defense attorneys manauvering.
  They sent him to the mental hospital 2 or 3 times for mental evaluations
  at taxpayer expense. The DA told us he was going to tell the defense, if 
  it went to trial, he was going to go for the habitual criminal charge. For 
  a plee bargain, he was going to go for 20 years.

  Well, just last week, the case was finally resolved. The first bad guy to
  get arrested hung himself in jail right after his arrest. The 2nd bad guy
  just got a 5 year sentence. Which means he'll be back on the streets in
  a year and a half. The bad guys ex-girlfriend and family want to move out
  of town for their safety. I don't feel to safe either.

  Sometime I almost feel victimized as much by the system as by the bad guys.

  And I've only told you a small part of the story...

	Keith

 
    >>     makes you feel better about the our legal system.    
    
    >>    brews    
    
    > Hey Brews, I didn't know you lived in Germany.
    
    
    That's my point, as bad as ours is (and you have a personal experience), 
    there is a chance someone else's is worse!
    
    brews

Beautiful  ain't it. And this is the day and age where when your neighbors play
music loud at 2am you call the  cops up to resolve the problem instead of
banging on their door because you don't know what idiot has a gun and is
willing to pull the trigger for any provocation...

My friend who used to work security for DEC and is  now a seattle cop has some
lovely stories to tell every time we get together....

I won't  even get into people who shoot other people over traffic incidents...

Metz
 

>Beautiful  ain't it. And this is the day and age where when your neighbors play
>music loud at 2am you call the  cops up to resolve the problem instead of
>banging on their door because you don't know what idiot has a gun and is
>willing to pull the trigger for any provocation...

  And you ain't just whistling Dixie either. The last time I was down at the
  courthouse for the case I talked about 2 replies back, we got to listen
  to a pre-liminary hearing for another case. Evidently, a guy parked his
  car in front of another car blocking his ability to exit the apartment
  parking lot. So the man went to the guys apartment to ask him to move 
  his car and when he did, the other guy took a shot at him.

	Keith

    And now back to Sports...

    
    OK, back to sports then....
    
    I heard that the judge's decision to give the stabber a suspended
    sentence is being appealed.
    
    yer welcome,
    
    I remain,
    occasionally willing to cooperate,
    Kev
    

      I thought shooting was a sport?

Article: 9632
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball,clari.local.illinois,clari.news.interest
Subject: Suburban man wants Jordan's gambling money
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 19:13:07 PDT
 
	CHICAGO (UPI) -- A suburban Glendale Heights man is trying to use a
little-known Illinois law to recover a famous gambling payoff -- Michael
Jordan's.
	Ronald D. Hejza said Thursday he and his client did not notify Jordan
before filing the lawsuit this week in Cook County Circuit Court.
Hejza's suit said he was entitled to claim $100,000 the NBA star
reportedly paid Richard Esquinas for gambling debts.
	According to Illinois' criminal gambling law, anyone who loses $50 or
more can sue the winner to get his money back. If the loser doesn't file
suit, ``any person can initiate a civil action against the winner.'' If
a third party wins the suit, the court must triple the award.
	Esquinas is the author of ``Michael & Me, our Gambling Addiction...
My Cry for Help.'' In the book he alleges Jordan once owed him $1.25
million, but eventually paid him only $300,000.
	Jordan has denied those claims, and the NBA determined he did not
violate any rules in his gambling with Esquinas.
	Hejza's lawyer, Terry O'Donnell, said he thinks part of the reason
his client is suing is because ``Esquinas and other media people ran him
out of the game.''
	O'Donnell said he first told Hezja about the law some years ago while
counselling him about his own gambling problem. ``He came to me a couple
of months ago and asked if it would apply in this case.''
	O'Donnell said the law, which has been on Illinois' books for more
than a century, was probably intended to discourage illegal gambling
activity and help family members recover their loved ones' bad bets.
	But O'Donnell said his client is not in it for the money. He is just
``a big Michael Jordan fan.''
	If they recover the money, they will not be giving it back to
Michael, they will give it to charity, possibly Gamblers Anonymous.
	``But this isn't the type of suit that has been filed very often, so
we have a long way to go before that would happen,'' said O'Donnell.

   clarinews@clarinet.com articles by Tue, 26 Oct 1993:


--------
Subject: Sports Digest
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 13:02:40 PDT

    Aggravated assault and weapons charges against Atlanta Falcon wide
receiver Andre Rison were dropped. While the solicitor's office would
not comment on the dismissal, Rison's attorney, Jack Goger, said he
believed the charges were dropped due to insuffecient evidence. Rison
was arrested last month after firing a gun in an Atlanta night club
parking lot during an altercation in which he allegedly hit his female
companion, rap singer Lisa Lopez.
    

    Wonder what kinda car Rison bought the DA?????
    
    JaKe
    

The Halls of Justice

* Reinero Torres, Jr., 53, twice this year successfully
defended himself in court in Sebring, Fla., first on a
worthless-check charge and then for assault.  However,
in August, on a third charge, for theft, for which he
also acted as his own lawyer, he lost.  A jury
convicted him of having stolen, from the courthouse
library, the books he had used in preparing his
defenses to the first two charges. [Tampa Tribune,
Aug93]


* In July in Bristol, Conn., Kathleen Driscoll filed a
formal complaint accusing ex-lover Richard LaMothe of
being the person who made a series of harassing phone
calls to her.  In addition to telephone company records
that tended to support her charge, Driscoll said that
one call, in March, consisted only of silence
punctuated by a very large belch, which Driscoll
positively identified as LaMothe's. [National Law
Journal, 8-16-93]

* Leona Vanatta, 66, was charged with robbing the Trans
World Bank, of which she is a regular customer, in San
Fernando, Calif., in September.  She arrived at the
bank expecting that her monthly Social Security funds
($242) had been direct-deposited; when informed that
the funds were not yet available, she pulled out a gun
and said, "Now can I have my money?"  She took the
$242, hopped on her bicycle, and started to pedal home
but was quickly apprehended. [San Jose Mercury News-L.
A. Daily News, 9-6-93]

* A federal appeals court upheld the conviction of
Rodney Hamrick in June on mailbombing charges.  Hamrick
ultimately confessed to the crime, but the first piece
of evidence that led investigators to him was that he
had written his return address on the bomb package. [U.
S. vs. Hamrick, 995 F.2d 1267 [4th Cir. 1993]

* In September, Gwen Laymon said in New Orleans that
her recently-arrested son, Eric, accused in a drive-by
shooting of a 12-year-old girl, could not possibly have
participated in the incident.  She told reporters that,
at the time of that shooting, Eric was at a nearby
housing project participating in another shooting.
[Times-Picayune, 9-2-93]

* In a case report in a 1993 issue of the Journal of
Forenisic Sciences, an Aberdeen, Wash., coroner
described the death of a depressed, 28-year-old man who
killed himself by tying a thick nylon rope from his
neck to a tree stump, getting into his truck in a rural
area, fastening his seat belt, and accelerating until
he decapitated himself. [Journal of Forensic Sciences,
1993]

    Nosir, I couldn't make this up at tall y'all.
    
    Re-posted from numerous sources
    
    A Florida man who insisted on watching the Dallas-Philadelphia
    NFR game Sunday remains hospitalized with gunshot wounds inflicted
    by his wife in a dispute concerning what channel to watch.
    
    Police say Michael Lenick, 63, of Sewall's Pint, Fla, was shot
    twice by his wife Marlene, 60, with a.38 caliber handgun after she
    said she had "had enough of that football". She wanted to watch the
    news.
    
    Marlene Lenick posted $50,000 bond Tuesday. She is charged with
    aggravated battery, though her husband probably won't press charges.
    
    He's in good condition at the hospital. One bullet entered his
    left shoulder and passed through his neck. The other grazed his
    abdomen.
    
    "She was very remorseful. She thought it was all a bad dream," said
    the police chief adding that alcohol played a part in the dispute
    (hahahaha no merde Sherlock).
    
    Finis..
    
    HAHAHAHA. Hail, she prolly misunderstood the bloke. She musta axed
    him what he weanted to drink. He said "two shots" and the rest is
    history...
    
    He may not press charges, but might thinbk something's not right
    when she greets him in bed his first night back from the hospital...
    with a new set of carving knives on the nightstand.
    
    
    MikeL
    
    
     

I'm on here side. After all, it was the Eagles game ;-).

Also, the police is considering prosecuting her even if'n the guy drops
the charges. They'll probably let her cop a plea, though.

TTom

Article: 2771
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball.college,clari.local.nevada
Subject: UNLV receives three years probation from NCAA
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 12:23:59 EST
 
	LAS VEGAS, Nev. (UPI) -- The University of Nevada-Las Vegas basketball
program was placed on three years probation Tuesday by the NCAA
Committee on Infractions for ``major violations of NCAA legislation,''
but escaped a postseason ban.
	Nevada-Las Vegas, which had settled a long-standing case with the
NCAA regarding sanctions against coach Jerry Tarkanian shorty before
receiving the latest charges, negotiated a settlement to resolve the
six-year infractions case. UNLV entered into a summary-disposition
process with NCAA officials whereby the school proposed sanctions which
could be accepted or changed by the governing body.
	The latest investigation centered around illegal payments of hotel
bills, illegal use of telephones and telephone credit cards, illegal
tutoring of two players, the use of an illegal agent to recruit players
and the payment of $1,500 for bail.
	Tarkanian was not implicated in any of the violations.
	The violations were found during a three-year investigation by the
Chancellor's office of the University of Nevada system that dealt
primarily with the school's recruiting of Lloyd Daniels, a controversial
former New York high school star.

    
    Yabbut what is a "three year probation"?
    
    Does that mean that if UNLV misbehaves, somebody whacks Rollie's
    petard?  And, if'n yer not on probation, and ya get caught, isn't the
    same punishment doled out?
    
    I didn't see no mention of no tee vee either.
    
    Hmmmmm, ya don't think maybe the NCAA got cold filberts?
    
    I remain,
    thinking we need a BoTY (Bailiff of the Year)!  Any nominations?
    Kev
    

since they were just on probation, couldn't UNLV have been given
the "death penalty"??

The Crazy Met

Article: 2774
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball.college
Subject: Michigan State uncovers baskatball violations
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 18:39:58 EST
 
	EAST LANSING, Mich. (UPI) -- Michigan State University officials said
Tuesday an investigation by the school discovered basketball players had
sold their athletic shoes and game passes and committed other violations
of NCAA rules.
	School spokesman Terry Denbow said the information had been turned
over to the NCAA.
	The inquiry was in response to allegations made by former basketball
player Parish Hickman as part of his lawsuit against the school. He is
seeking damages for having been expelled from the school after he was
arrested on cocaine charges. He was later aquitted, largely on the
grounds that what he sold an undercover officer was not really cocaine.
	Denbow said the school, found those violations:
	-- Three players, now gone from Michigan State, traded or sold their
university-issued shoes and three others sold their complimentary game
passes.
	-- Three former student-athletes used school telephones to make toll
calls at no cost to themselves, five used a copier free of charge and
six students had papers typed by secretaries in the basketball office.
Two of the students who had papers typed are still on campus.
	-- An athletics official provided a player with free transportation on
one occasion.
	-- One player's personal budget was managed by the basketball office
during the 1992-93 academic year.

Oyy vey.  Talk about picking nits.  With the exception of the selling sneakers,
who cares?

    Hope they sold Odor Eaters wif them shoes!!!
    
    JaKe
    

The New Jersey Casino Control Commission rejected a request to authorize
wagering on professional and college sports. The casion industry wanted
to legalize this before a Federal law kicks in Dec. 31.

The federal law outlaws sports betting except for those states that have
already approved it. Oregon has a sports lottery. Deleware authorized it
but hasn't implemented it. NJ was given a_extension through this year to
decide the matter.

So it looks like there won't be any legal sports parlors in NJ after all. 

TTom

The Sir Chuckie fight aint got nothin on a New Orleans incident that left
Jack McDowell unconscious and bleeding.

Seems ol' Black Jack was hanging out with his buddy, Eddie Vedder, he of
Pearl Jam fame, enjoying, how you say, adult beverages.

The story is real shaky about who started what but several other people
were involved and Vedder was booked for some minor misdemeanor.

McDowell got some stitches to the back of his haid but is supposedly
otherwise fine.

TTom

Not to be outdone in the world of Jurisprudence, the WWF founder, Vince
McMahon, was busted for possession and distribution of steroids.

Of course, it's still being argued whether either the WWF or steroid
comsumption is a sport but I'll leave that to the reader.

TTom

    
    
    Yabbut in yet another display of why stupid people shouldn't be allowed
    to reproduce comes this little jem from Chelmsford, Ma.
    
    Seems two 18 year old teenage boys, working in a 7-11 type store,
    called police to report a $400 robbery and to report that they both had
    been shot by the robbers (in the shoulder).
    
    After investigating, the boys confessed that actually they robbed the
    store and to make it look real, they took turns shooting each other.
    
    So, now they're in the hospital (probably costs more than $200 each).
    
    I can hear it now; "OK, I'll go first". "No, I'll go first", "NO, *I'll
    go first"..........
    
    ps- I heard that they are UNC fans
    
    ;^)
    
    I remain,
    wondering if each will be charged with felonious assault on each other?
    Kev
    

>    Yabbut in yet another display of why stupid people shouldn't be allowed
>    to reproduce comes this little jem from Chelmsford, Ma.

And in another not so sporty example, remember the little 3 year old kid
who stole the family car and went on a joy ride?

Well that precocious little bundle of joy was back in the news over the
weekend. He burned his house down. Not only was the house razed but his
father received 2nd and 3rd degree burns saving the little bastard. He's
in the hospital in serious condition.

TTom

      Though its not sports related (though sex is good for ya(-))
    
      Bobbit (no punn) has been found not guilty by reason of insanity.
    
       Tim

    
    
    >>  Bobbit (no punn) has been found not guilty by reason of insanity.
    
    
       I should hope so. Anybody that goes out for a drive hangin'
    on to a penicular appendage most certainly has a screw loose.
    
    
       "Bread knife in my right hand, Game-boy in my left hand, 
        what should I do, what should I do?"
    
    

Article: 15441
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (AP)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.misc,clari.sports.olympic,clari.news.law.crime.violent,clari.local.oregon
Subject: Harding Assaulted In Park
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 94 4:00:09 PST
 
	BEAVERTON, Ore. (AP) -- Tonya Harding was assaulted in a city
park near the apartment complex where she has been staying with
friends, police said Friday.
	Authorities would give no details, but KOIN-TV reported that
Harding told police she suffered some bumps, bruises and scrapes on
her hands and knees in the attack, which occurred just after 11
p.m. Thursday.
	It was unclear if one person or more assaulted the figure
skater, or whether it was a random attack.
	Harding told police she was assaulted as she crossed McMillen
Park, a small, heavily wooded park, to reach her pickup, which was
parked along a street, KOIN said. The assailant or assailants fled
when Harding set off a personal alarm.
	She ran back to her friends' apartment, where she called police.
	Harding has avoided parking her truck in the apartment complex
parking lot since it was nearly towed away.

I know I sound really bad, but is anyone else thinking what I'm
thinking??????

RE                <<< Note 65.257 by CAM3::WAY "Whitewatergate" >>>

>I know I sound really bad, but is anyone else thinking what I'm
>thinking??????

  ... that she was attacked by Donald Duck who's feeling slighted because
Mickey got to ride with Nancy in the fire truck?

  QAAAAKKKKK quack quack quack QAAAAKKKKK quack quack **** WHACK ****

  George

    Why?  Why me?
    

  The Globe today said that the Feds are looking into charging Tonya with
breaking some law having to do with interfering with interstate commerce. 

  Her lawyers seem to be trying to stall off the USFS inquiry until after the 
legal matters are resolved.

  I wonder how long before Nancy brings a Civil suit? Maybe she won't, often
times the courts frown on one athlete suing another.

  George

why in bloody hell would Kerrigan bring a civil suit. She has sooo much
more to lose than to gain. Kerrigan's image would be harmed by that and
with all the endorsement money rolllllling in, a suit just isn't worth
it.

The Crazy Met

  Kerrigan doesn't seem all that interested in money. Lately she's put honesty
ahead of her personal interest a number of times which now seems to be getting
her into trouble.

  George

    
    >> Kerrigan doesn't seem all that interested in money. 
    
       Sure. That's why she skipped the closing ceremonies to make
       a paid appearance at Disney World.
    
    >> Lately she's put honesty ahead of her personal interest a number 
    >> of times which now seems to be getting her into trouble.
    
       More like, she let her guard down and slightly damaged that
       carefully crafted image.
    

RE        <<< Note 65.263 by MSBCS::BRYDIE "I need somebody to shove!" >>>

>       Sure. That's why she skipped the closing ceremonies to make
>       a paid appearance at Disney World.

  No, more likely she didn't give a rip about closing ceremonies and wanted
to go somewhere warm. She would have gotten just as much from Disney for
showing up a couple days later.
    
>       More like, she let her guard down and slightly damaged that
>       carefully crafted image.
    
  The reason I don't buy this is because her statements seem to be going back
to the way she use to talk before the attack. I think she was under a lot of
pressure to keep her mouth shut and she's tired of it, money or no money.

  It wasn't a matter of one or two careless statements, since she lost it's
been a steady stream of honest statements that any rational person would have
been thinking in her situation. An athlete more interested in the money would
have kept their mouth shut. She calls it like she sees it.

  George

    >> An athlete more interested in the money would have kept their mouth 
    >> shut. She calls it like she sees it.
    
       If that were true, she wouldn't have felt it necessary to give
       a pretty hokey excuse for her comments. But believe what you want,
       George.

>  No, more likely she didn't give a rip about closing ceremonies and wanted
>to go somewhere warm. She would have gotten just as much from Disney for
>showing up a couple days later.

If she was so interested in being warm, why didn't she just show up
late too?

If you're part of a team, you don't leave early....


    
|>       More like, she let her guard down and slightly damaged that
|>       carefully crafted image.
|    
|  The reason I don't buy this is because her statements seem to be going back
|to the way she use to talk before the attack. I think she was under a lot of
|pressure to keep her mouth shut and she's tired of it, money or no money.

Oh, so what you're saying is that she was always a whiney bitch, but that
for the Olympics she had to shut up and be the princess, and now she can
be the whiney bitch again.

Actually, there might be some merit to that, since I heard someone on
WFAN the other night, late in fact, who knows Kerrigan from being around 
the USFSA or whatever it's called.  The general word on Kerrigan, according
to this woman is a) she's not that great a skater, and b) she's a bitch.


>  It wasn't a matter of one or two careless statements, since she lost it's
>been a steady stream of honest statements that any rational person would have
>been thinking in her situation. An athlete more interested in the money would
>have kept their mouth shut. She calls it like she sees it.

I've lost lots of game in lots of different sports.  EVen a few big ones
on the basis of a blown call by a referee.  I don't know what you define
as rational, but we (meaning the entire team) never mouthed off about the
officiating, always figuring that winners overcome bad officiating...

Despite thinking it, most athletes with class don't verbalize it....


'Saw

> If you're part of a team, you don't leave early....

    Tell it to Tommy Moe, among others, or that Tommy Moe impersonator who
    was profiled bopping through airports to get back home in advance of
    the closing ceremonies.  Some of these arguments being used against
    Kerrigan are really quite lame, and are being applied very selectively.
    Were Torvill and Dean sore losers, or were they just justifiably
    "frustrated"?  It goes on and on...
    
    Not every athlete can or will be exceedingly classy and gracious.  Some 
    are; more accolades to them.  I got a chuckle out of Mike Barnicle's 
    (who thinks she's as dim-witted and imperfect as anyone else) comments 
    yesterday on the appropriate media response to Kerrigan's faults 
    (paraphrased):  "Clearly, she must be killed.  It is our duty to seek 
    her out and destroy her under the guise of First Amendment protections".  
    It's all very amusing at this point...
    
    glenn
     

RE        <<< Note 65.265 by MSBCS::BRYDIE "I need somebody to shove!" >>>

>       If that were true, she wouldn't have felt it necessary to give
>       a pretty hokey excuse for her comments. But believe what you want,
>       George.

  Did she give the excuse or was the excuse released by her agent?

RE                <<< Note 65.266 by CAM3::WAY "Whitewatergate" >>>

>If she was so interested in being warm, why didn't she just show up
>late too?

  In figure skating, most of the skaters like to get there early to work out
on the ice, get over jet lag, get use to where they are living, etc.

>If you're part of a team, you don't leave early....

  She is part of a team and she isn't. It's not like hockey where she actually
works with the other team members. Also, it could be argued that she has just
cause to not feel real buddy buddy with her team mate. Although as a team they
did do better than any other country in that event. Their average placement
was 5.5. Germany was next best at 6.5 and I don't believe any other country
finished better than 10th.

>Despite thinking it, most athletes with class don't verbalize it....

  The word "class" means Conformance to a standard. Most athletes who play
on teams and sports bar fans know all of the rules of what you are suppose to
say and what you are not suppose to say but it's entirely likely that figure
skaters don't follow the same rules.

  Basically what you call "class" is an organized excuse to be dishonest.

>Oh, so what you're saying is that she was always a whinny bitch, but that
>for the Olympics she had to shut up and be the princess, and now she can
>be the whinny bitch again.

  That's about it. Again, "whinny bitch" and "honest angry woman" could well
mean the same thing.

  George

    > Were Torvill and Dean sore losers, or were they just justifiably
    > "frustrated"?  It goes on and on...
   
      Torville and Dean didn't make snide comments about their competition. 
      And the questions about the judging were voiced by damn near every-
      one. 
    
    > "Clearly, she must be killed.  It is our duty to seek her out and 
    > destroy her under the guise of First Amendment protections".  
    
      I read that article. Barnicle's a bigger homer than Johnny Most
      ever dreamt of being. I didn't hear any of her supporters crying 
      when the media was making her the biggest celebrity on the planet 
      and now they're supposed to lay off when she goes around shooting 
      herself in the foot with the regularity of Barney Fife on speed? I 
      don't think so. Sorry, John Elway in a skating dress, but that's the
      way the game is played. Don't like it? Too bad.
    

|> If you're part of a team, you don't leave early....
|
|    Tell it to Tommy Moe, among others, or that Tommy Moe impersonator who
|    was profiled bopping through airports to get back home in advance of
|    the closing ceremonies.  Some of these arguments being used against
|    Kerrigan are really quite lame, and are being applied very selectively.
|    Were Torvill and Dean sore losers, or were they just justifiably
|    "frustrated"?  It goes on and on...

Well, mine was just a POPB.

I wasn't just whacking Kerrigan.  Tommy should've stayed too.  8^)

|>Despite thinking it, most athletes with class don't verbalize it....
|
|  The word "class" means Conformance to a standard. Most athletes who play
|on teams and sports bar fans know all of the rules of what you are suppose to
|say and what you are not suppose to say but it's entirely likely that figure
|skaters don't follow the same rules.
|
|  Basically what you call "class" is an organized excuse to be dishonest.

That's not what I call class.

Class is an intangible. It's knowing when to say something and when not
to say something.  It's being gracious in defeat, and being a good sport,
no matter how much you detest losing.

Keeping your mouth shut is not the same thing as being dishonest, unless
you define honesty as the requirement to open your mouth no matter
what.

It's not a question of what you're supposed to say or not say, it's just
having some manners and being polite.  




>  That's about it. Again, "whinny bitch" and "honest angry woman" could well
>mean the same thing.

There's that term honest again.

So I would hazard a guess that the George Definition of "honest" involves
the requirement to open your mouth and air all your feelings to the world
regardless of the situation or what decorum calls for.


'Saw

    Anybody ELSE think that Tonya had herself "assaulted" to elicit
    sympathy?????
    
    JaKe
    

    I think someone tired of all the coverage showed her what it was like
    to reach out and touch someone.
    

|    Tell it to Tommy Moe, among others, or that Tommy Moe impersonator who
|    was profiled bopping through airports to get back home in advance of
|    the closing ceremonies.  Some of these arguments being used against
|    Kerrigan are really quite lame, and are being applied very selectively.
|    Were Torvill and Dean sore losers, or were they just justifiably
|    "frustrated"?  It goes on and on...

For the Olympic skiers the 2 week stop at Lillyhammer was just that, another
stop on the World Cup Tour. This week Tommy is practicing at Aspen for the Great
American Downhill. So if he wanted some time after the Olympics he had  to leave
early. 

Jeff  

    
    >>       <<< Note 65.275 by FRETZ::HEISER "the rock cries out!" >>>
    >>                           -< Just Say Moe! >-
    
    Don't forget Larry and Curly, too!!!!!
    
    JaKe
    
    

RE               <<< Note 65.271 by CAMONE::WAY "Whitewatergate" >>>

>That's not what I call class.
>
>Class is an intangible. It's knowing when to say something and when not
>to say something.  It's being gracious in defeat, and being a good sport,
>no matter how much you detest losing.

  Great, that's your definition of class. To someone else it's something
else. In general, class is Conformance to some set of rules. You've specified
yours and there are not different than mine. To someone else it's probably
something entirely different.

>So I would hazard a guess that the George Definition of "honest" involves
>the requirement to open your mouth and air all your feelings to the world
>regardless of the situation or what decorum calls for.

  Again, it's not my definition but I respect someone for whom that is the
definition.

  George

RE<<< Note 65.274 by OURGNG::RIGGEN "Digital the Binary company 0 or 1 that's all" >>>

>For the Olympic skiers the 2 week stop at Lillyhammer was just that, another
>stop on the World Cup Tour. This week Tommy is practicing at Aspen for the Great
>American Downhill. So if he wanted some time after the Olympics he had  to leave
>early. 

  Same for the figure skaters, they have to get ready for the World
Championships in Japan later this month. 

  George

    NK family (aunt) has reported that NK had received death threats 
    while in Lillyhammer and that is one of the reasons she left..
    
    REK

    "Class" is going beyond conformance to some set of rules. It really is
    an intangible.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

RE               <<< Note 65.280 by MSE1::FRANCUS "Mets in '94" >>>

>    "Class" is going beyond conformance to some set of rules. It really is
>    an intangible.
    
  If that's the case then it's purely a matter of opinion as to whether or not
anyone has class. To say "that athlete doesn't have class" is probably wrong
since there is no clear standard for them to follow.

  It would probably be more descriptive to say "Today I don't feel that the
athlete in question meets my fuzzy standard of what class might be". 

  George

    
     This is a real long road to nowhere.

>  If that's the case then it's purely a matter of opinion as to whether or not
>anyone has class. To say "that athlete doesn't have class" is probably wrong
>since there is no clear standard for them to follow.

It's always been a matter of opinion....


>  It would probably be more descriptive to say "Today I don't feel that the
>athlete in question meets my fuzzy standard of what class might be". 

Only for you, George....


'Saw

>    
>     This is a real long road to nowhere.
>

Agreed Tommy.  

RE        <<< Note 65.282 by MSBCS::BRYDIE "I need somebody to shove!" >>>

>     This is a real long road to nowhere.

  Sounds like an old Cat Steven's song.

  Or maybe that was "miles from nowhere".

  George

    No, Georege. it's a more like a very recent song by the Talking Heads.
    
    Mark.

  Then there's "the long and winding road" by the Beatles.

  George

    
    	Don't forget "Yellow Brick Road" by the Oz Munchkins.
    
    Claybone

or Goodbye Yellow Brick Road by Elton John

The Crazy Met

    Mike Tyson's conviction upheld by the Supreme Court today.  Another
    excellent loss for attorney/TV star-wannabe/mouthpiece that never shuts
    up Alan Dershowitz.
    
    As for the Nancy bashing, please give it a rest.  So she's not perfect.
    Who is?  Barely more than half of the US Olympic "team" stayed for the
    closing ceremony.  Why is she the only one criticized for it?  Torvill
    and Dean whined incessently about the scoring.  No criticism of them.
    I can't understand why people feel the need to immediately tear down
    someone who has become successful.  Nancy Kerrigan is a human being who
    has accomplished more in her 24 years than many of us care ever hope to
    achieve.  Does that fact that she shows that she's human automatically
    mean that her accomplishments are meaningless? 
    
    NAZZ

> So she's not perfect. Who is?

I think MikeH would like to believe that he is. Problem of course is he has
this fixation with dogs. I wonder where that comes from? might be something
personal and we wouldn't want to get into that.

The Crazy Met

    
>>I think MikeH would like to believe that he is. Problem of course is he has
>>this fixation with dogs. I wonder where that comes from? might be something
>>personal and we wouldn't want to get into that.
    
    Now, Now, TCM, let's leave MikeH and hisdogs alone.   We don't wanna be
    slamming his family in here.
    
    JaKe
    

    Actually I don't have any dogs, but there is a simple solution to this
    problem.  REK hates dogs and TCM needs some friends.  All REK needs to
    do is ship his to TCM's house.

Mikey, Mikey, Mikey, you once again choose to ignore the facts. I'll
admit that is no real surprise.

For your benefit I'll repeat one more time TCM also hates dogs. So your
proposed solution in .294, for a problem that thankfully does not exist,
just won't work.

There must be some reason that you
like dogs sooo much, but as JaKe pointed out we don't want to get
too personal.

The Crazy Met

MtM agreeing with me, should I take that personally????

The Crazy Met

>Mikey, Mikey, Mikey, you once again choose to ignore the facts. I'll
>admit that is no real surprise.
    
    Did I ignore the fact that you're as lonely as a stray dog and in need
    of a companion?
    
    >        -< I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints >-
    
    Po' TCM, you just confessed right here.  Sinners are synonymous with
    dogs.

    Mike how can youtake as a given a fact that is not true? 
    
    And that last piece of "wisdom" - hah - is beyond; I do not see the
    logical train of thought you are trying to convey. 
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    actually it is quite funny that these comments are being made by
    someone who fairly recently admitted that he needed to get a life.
    funny if it were not so tragic.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    TCM, he got a life, but hates it and wants to trade it in for a tail
    and coat of fur, hence the references to dogs.
    
    JaKe
    
    
    
    

    Why don't youse two guys can this nya nya stuff. 
    I know I cain get infantile in here but take it to mail fer crissakes.
    
    Sorry,
    MikeL
    

Yeah, what he said.

Besides, I don't wanna have to slap yunze guys silly.....8^)


'Saw

  Lawyers for Tonya Harding filed a suit yesterday to prevent the United States
Figure Skating Association from holding a hearing on her involvement in the
Kerrigan attack. The USFS has the power to block her from skating in various
events including the upcoming World Championships in Japan which start on March
22. 

  The suit which included a preliminary injunction and a restraining order to
prevent the hearing, was filed in Portland District court but was moved to
federal court at the request of the USFS which is based in Colorado. 

  Meanwhile, the Skating Notes File reports that Nancy Kerrigan will not be
skating in the World Championships. Her reason is that she wants to give 1st
alternate Micheal Kwan a chance to compete. Kerrigan is currently in New York
rehearsing for her appearance hosting Saturday Night Live this coming weekend. 

  George 

    Who the hail is Michael Kwan and why is Kerrigan making room for him?
    
    Mark.

    
    I think he means michele Kwan, the 13 year old standby who took 2nd
    in the US championships recently.
    
    Marc
    

i.e. a Bob Hunt pixiette type.....

  I thought they didn't care about spelling in this conference. Who said that
anyway? This is the 3rd time someone's gripped about my spellen. 

  At the U.S. Nationals, the standings for Ladies Singles were:

 1st   Tonya Harding
 2nd   Michele(?) Kwan
 3rd   Nichole Bobbet (sp?)

  The USFS (which by the way is sometimes abbreviated USFSA) was allowed two
slots on the US National team based on Kerrigan's 5th place finish at the worlds
last year so they gave one slot to Harding and they bumped Kwan giving the 2nd
slot to Kerrigan. Kwan and Bobbet were 1st and 2nd alternate respectively. 

  Now that Kerrigan seems to have decided on a career in show biz, she's
effectively resigned from the national team giving her spot to the 1st alternate
Kwan. If Harding gets thrown off the team, her spot will go to the 2nd alternate
Bobbet. And I have no doubt something in there is spelled wrong.

  George

>  I thought they didn't care about spelling in this conference. Who said that
>anyway? This is the 3rd time someone's gripped about my spellen. 

Maybe "they" don't, but "we" do.....8^)

actually we don't care about spelling in this conference. You need to
check out who wrote .305 and then proceed to ignore it.

The Crazy Met

    
    	I believe the 2cd alternates name is Nicole Bobeck(sp?).  
    
    

>    	I believe the 2cd alternates name is Nicole Bobeck(sp?).  

With that (sp?) at the end of her name, I'll be her parents were hippies
too.....8^)
    
    

    what is a 2cd alternate?

    
>>Besides, I don't wanna have to slap yunze guys silly.....8^)
    
    Sawmain, you don't wanna do that to me.  Aftershocks would be the
    problem shortly after the "ripple" effect ended, ya know??
    
    JaKe
    

    
    	Second implies one less than three.  One more than one.  Not
    	to exceed two.
    
    Claybone

    Oh, you mean 2nd, Claybone.

The judge gave a continuance on the Harding case - she doesn't have to go before
the figure skating board nexted week.  He ruled that her lawyers didn't have
sufficient time to prepare the case.

so she goes to the World championships in Japan??

The Crazy Met

RE              <<< Note 65.318 by METSNY::francus "Mets in '94" >>>

>so she goes to the World championships in Japan??

  Looks that way. Actually team U.S.A. needs her. Without Kerrigan she probably
has the best chance at landing a medal which would get the U.S. the three
slots on next year's national team.

  Even still, it's kind of a long shot.

  George

    What a bunch of legal crap!  How long have her lawyers known about
    this?  Couple of months?  They haven't had time to prepare her defense
    yet???  
    
    - Rope

    clarinews@clarinet.com articles by  Tue, 8 Mar 94:

--------
Subject: Court Upholds Billups' Verdict
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 17:20:20 PST
 
	CINCINNATI (AP) -- A federal appeals court has upheld former pro
football player Lewis Billups' sentence for making threats against
Washington Bullets basketball player Rex Chapman.
	Billups was accused of calling Chapman's sister, Jenny, and
threatening to break Chapman's knees. Jenny Chapman and Billups had
dated, and the calls apparently were prompted by Billups' jealousy.
	Billups was arrested in Lexington, Ky., on March 21, 1993, and
pleaded guilty to making threatening interstate phone calls. He was
sentenced in U.S. District Court to one year in prison, three
years' probation and a $10,000 fine.
	In appealing the sentence, Billups argued he was unable to pay a
large fine. The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Friday that
Billups failed to prove his inability to pay and affirmed the
entire sentence.
	The Bengals drafted Billups in 1985 out of North Alabama and he
played for Cincinnati through the 1991 season. He also played for
the Green Bay Packers.
	In 1991 he served 30 days in jail after pleading guilty the
previous year to misdemeanor charges that he waved a gun at two
undercover police officers.

    
    UMaine gits a court order to nullify HockeyEast's decision to
    disqualify the BlackBears(defending NCAA champeens) for the upcoming
    tournament. Unless reversed through appeal, the BlackBears will now
    finish 8th due to mucho forfeitures and get to play regular season
    champ BU in the first round.
    
    If UMaine's appeal to the court was not allowed, BU woulda had a
    first round bye. I'm sure the Commonwealth crowd is vewy unhappy with
    this turn of events. Had Maine not forfeited its games through neglect
    (stupidity) of its academic overseers, they woulda finished 2nd or 3rd
    in Hockey East.. Yessir, BU is real happy..
    
    Has the NCAA jumped into this fray?
    
    MikeL
    

Rope, how silly of you to ask this question :-)

Begin Heavy Sarcasm

'ya see, Tonya could not help in preparing her defense because she had
to practice for the Olympics, and then of course she was overseas for 10 days.
In addition the Portland police/DA are still investigating and how can she
possibly attend a hearing before the official investigation is over.

HtH,

End Heavy Sarcasm

The real kicker is that this is probably the arguments that the judge bought
into.

The Crazy Met

Why was UMaine barred from the tournament? I understand that it forfeited
games and ended up 8th but that gives them a legit playoff spot, right??

The Crazy Met

>
>Why was UMaine barred from the tournament? I understand that it forfeited
>games and ended up 8th but that gives them a legit playoff spot, right??
>


Why did they forfeit games?


'Saw

when does the hockey tournament begin? does the winner get an automatic
entry into the playoffs??

The Crazy Met

RE    <<< Note 65.321 by DYPSS1::ROPER "Take a Sad Song and Make it Better" >>>

>    What a bunch of legal crap!  How long have her lawyers known about
>    this?  Couple of months?  They haven't had time to prepare her defense
>    yet???  
    
  It takes months to prepare a legal case. The "discovery" process involves
answering interrogatories, taking depositions, getting subpoenas for hostile
witnesses, arguing motions, quibbling over evidence, the list goes on.

  Hardly anyone is ready for trial in a civil case or a complicated criminal
case after a couple months and now that legal standards are being used for
disputes between athletes and sports organizations they will need time to
prepare as well. 

  Unless they settle this case will easily go on all summer and into the fall.
It's even possible that it wouldn't be resolved next winter when time comes for
nationals once again. 

  George 

Maine had to forfeit many games for using an ineligible player...

>Maine had to forfeit many games for using an ineligible player...

Thanks Bob.....

    Yabbut UMaine forfeited some games earlier this season (unrelated to
    this latest forfeiture0 because one of its hockey players (freshman)
    was ineligible (lousay grades).
    
    This latest go-round of forfeitures came whence Maine blew the
    whistle on itself. MumbleTardiff, a UMaine player who happens to
    be a grad student was carrying only 6 credits (not bad eh?, 
    Two classes, study for 1/2 hour,hockey practice, and pound brewskis
    8^). NCAA rules require 8 credits minimum to be eligible.
    UMaine academic people blew this one. 
    
    My question is this.. if UMaine violated NCAA rules, why are they
    staying out of this? Are they letting HockeyEast run with this?
    HockeyEast just got slapped down when UMaine went to a Bangor judge
    to issue a restraining order agin HockeyEast's decision.
    
    Stay tuned..
    
    MikeL
    

>>> Maine had to forfeit many games for using an ineligible player...

 to further add on the player was ineligible because he wasn't cutting
 the mustard academically...my guess is that he was just cutting classes.

 Some sort of graduate student who assisted the team was the one who discovered
 the information and reported it to the coach who kind of wanted to sit on
 it but then he got into with the AD and they all came clean and pointed
 fingers etc at one another....

 I believe the player in question is one of the better players on the team
 so BU shouldn't cry too badly.....

 mike

    Regarding Maine:
    
    1. Tardiff finished his undergraduate accounting degree in 3 years and
    graduated with honors.  I seriously doubt he was in academic trouble.
    Taking less than the required credits, maybe, but not a flunky.
    
    2. The NCAA, who already reviewed the case, handed down a 21-game
    forfeit to Maine, which placed Maine last in Hockey East.
    
    3. Hockey East went beyond that by denying the Bears the right to
    participate in the playoffs.  The point here is that there are no
    by-laws in the Hockey East books that allow them to bar Maine from the
    playoffs, hence the restraining order.
    
    Methinks Maine has a case.
    
    Mark.

    Here's the whole scoop on Maine:
    
    1) Early this year, Maine played a freshman for three games who the NCAA
    ruled was ineligible.  Maine Coach Shawn Walsh considered the kid
    eligible and told him he could play.  The NCAA disagreed.  Maine had to
    forfeit those three games.
    
    2) Patrice Tardiff graduated in three years with a 3.1 GPA in
    Ecomonics.  He then applied to and was accepted into gard school.  He
    was taking six credits in grad school, as the academic advisor told him
    that's what he needed to be eligible.  The advisor was in error - he
    had to take at least eight credits.  So, Maine forfeited the 21 games 
    in which he played while taking only six credits.  He is carrying the
    proper number of credits now.  The academic advisor has been suspended.
    
    3) The NCAA made Maine forfeit all those games in which they used 
    ineligible players.  The NCAA siad Maine could play in the tournament,
    but must go into the tournament seeded with the record that included
    the forfeits (last).
    
    4) Hockey East decided the NCAA penalty wasn't enough, so they ignored
    the NCAA ruling and further punished Maine by ordering them out of the
    tournament.
    
    5) A judge in Maine issued an injunction yesterday that will allow
    Maine to compete in the tournament.  They play at BU tomorrow in the
    first game in a best of three series.
    
    NAZZ

    	Maine's a bunch of cheaters.  They should take last year's NCAA
    Championship away from them too.
    
    				/Don

  I disagree and feel they should go the other way. Everyone knows that college
is the minor leagues for football, basketball, and hockey. I think they should
relax all these standards and let the schools sign whom ever they want. 

  No one would get wigged out if a college hired someone to work on an NSF
contract instead of giving the work to a student, why should sports be any
different? 

  George 

    
      re .338
    
      Anyone who really cares about college sports would rankle at comments
      such as yours. Granted, that college athletics has huge problems but
      folding the tents and calling yourself a minor league isn't an option.
      95% of all college athletes DON'T go on to play pro sports. Colleges
      would be doing those kids a grave disservice by leaving them ill-
      prepared for a life after the crowds die down. Likewise, giving 19
      year old kids the option of playing for the highest bidder is equally
      destructive. I'm all for Prop 48. I don't like the idea of standardized
      tests but I believe kids, especially inner city kids, have to have
      academics stressed first and foremost. Likewise, I believe that grade
      for athletes, as with all students involved in extracurricualar activ-
      ities, aren't an obstacle but a necessity.

>Everyone knows that college is the minor leagues for football, basketball, 
>and hockey.

Everyone who is informed knows that is NOT the case for hockey.  College 
players constitute a small minority of the NHL.  Two of the leading teams in 
this year's NCAA tournament are likely to be athletic factories Harvard and 
Brown.

Hockey has a very active professional minor league system.

Clay

  You may be right about hockey, that's the sport I know the least about but it
seems that from time to time I do hear about someone from B.U. or B.C playing
in the NHL. 

  Anyway, I don't see the big deal with schools hiring anyone for their team.
Where's the harm? As it is, a very small percentage of the kids at the school
can participate. A typical student body at a large university has 20,000 kids
of which only 200 or so can play at the varsity level. So what if some of those
200 have to play intramural like everyone else? 

  If the academic process is not destroyed by having employees work on NSF and
other government grants along with the students, what's wrong with having
employees play varsity sports along with the students? Seems it would increase
the caliber of play and make the games more interesting. 

  George 

  >> seems that from time to time I do hear about someone from B.U. 
  >> or B.C playing in the NHL. 

     "From time to time" doesn't sound like much of a minor leahue.
      BTW - another sports factory, Duke, will be a big factor in 
      the basketball tourney.
    
  >> Anyway, I don't see the big deal with schools hiring anyone for 
  >> their team. Where's the harm? 

     You're obviously not a very big fan of college sports. The basketball 
     tournament and the New Year's Day bowl games would lose all of their
     appeal if all we had to watch was a bunch of mercenaries. The atsmos-
     phere of college sports, the finality of it all would be lost. It'd be
     like watching the CBA and the CFL. 

  >> If the academic process is not destroyed by having employees work on 
  >> NSF and other government grants along with the students, what's wrong 
  >> with having employees play varsity sports along with the students? Seems 
  >> it would increase the caliber of play and make the games more interesting. 

     I don't know and don't care what NSF is and I can't imagine how it's
     relevant. The objective of college sports isn't to make the games
     interesting or to elevate play though they are and no thanks to any
     contrivances. It may be what you want as a fan of pro sports but you're 
     looking in the wrong spot and not appreciating the beauty of what you're 
     finding. College basketball and football are fine the way they are. It
     makes no sense to make them *just like* pro sports.
    
    

        <<< Note 65.342 by MSBCS::BRYDIE "I need somebody to shove!" >>>

>     You're obviously not a very big fan of college sports. The basketball 
>     tournament and the New Year's Day bowl games would lose all of their
>     appeal if all we had to watch was a bunch of mercenaries. The atsmos-
>     phere of college sports, the finality of it all would be lost. It'd be
>     like watching the CBA and the CFL. 

  Are you trying to tell me that it's really important to people that schools
put up the facade of having students players take 8 credits of basket weaving?
That's nuts.

  It's like the amateur thing at the Olympics, yes a few people would beat
their breasts and moan about the fact that the artificial standard was no longer
being preserved based on some ridiculous notion of "purity" but most people
wouldn't give a rip.

  The college players are defacto professionals now just as Eastern Block
Olympic athletes were defacto professionals all along. I say drop the facade
and hire pros. You'd basically have the same guys you have now anyway.

>     I don't know and don't care what NSF is and I can't imagine how it's
>     relevant. The objective of college sports isn't to make the games
>     interesting or to elevate play though they are and no thanks to any
>     contrivances. 

  I think you are being a bit naive. Colleges pay big bucks in scholarships
and perks to get the best kids that qualify under the guidelines. They do
everything they can to build teams that will win and they do everything they
can to see that those kids meet the minimum academic standards. 

  The varsity players at the big schools are pros masquerading as students. I
say drop the facade, let them hire pros and let them play. For the most part
the teams would be made up of the same kids you see now plus a few alumni.

  George

>  The varsity players at the big schools are pros masquerading as students. I
>say drop the facade, let them hire pros and let them play. For the most part
>the teams would be made up of the same kids you see now plus a few alumni.

There you have it folks.... straight from the mouth of the resident
sports expert.....

George, take a look at the numbers. The NBA has a draft that lasts 2 rounds.
28 teams means 56 players selected each year. Assume a reasonably even 
distribution of 15 scholarships for basketball and there are 3 or 4 seniors
on the team. For the moment ignore the players that come into the draft after
their junior or sometimes their sophmore year. For arguments sakes use the
lower number of 3 seniors per team. That means that there are slots in
the draft for 18-19 teams (if the seniors drafted all came from these teams).
There are 64 teams that get into the NCAA! There are 220-250 division I-A
basketball teams.

The odds that a player in one of the top programs will get drafted is pretty
small, from lesser known programs the odds get much much smaller. Letting
the colleges recruit and pay the players whatever they want and not having
them as students is detrimental to the players; I also think it would take
away the "school spirit" that makes the college game so different than
the pro-game. Don't fool yourself that allowing schools to pay players
what they want won't affect the "look and feel" of the college game.

I do think that the scholarship system and the myriad rules and regulations
need to be changed, perhaps a set stipend in addition to the scholarship
would be appropriate. 

The Crazy Met

   > Are you trying to tell me that it's really important to people 
   > that schools put up the facade of having students players take 
   > 8 credits of basket weaving? That's nuts.

     George, it's obvious that the beauty of the best sporting event in
     America, the NCAA basketball tournament, is lost on you. Pearls before
     swine if you will. If you haven't the little bit of foresight required 
     to see how that would be severely damaged should your crazy scheme
     ever be implemented then you know nothing about college basketball
     beyond these archaic stereotypes of college athletes that you seem 
     bent on perpetuating.

   > It's like the amateur thing at the Olympics, yes a few people would beat
   > their breasts and moan about the fact that the artificial standard was no 
   > longer being preserved based on some ridiculous notion of "purity" but most 
   > people wouldn't give a rip.

     Wrong again, Hans. Most people care enough that it's illegal for student/
     athletes to take *any* money. Schools forfeit games., lose televsion ex-
     posure, etc. when even small payments are discovered. No one but no one 
     who cares about college sports is proposing anything near what you're
     talking about.
    
   > The college players are defacto professionals now just as Eastern Block
   > Olympic athletes were defacto professionals all along. I say drop the facade
   > and hire pros. You'd basically have the same guys you have now anyway.

     No you wouldn't have the same guys. Why would anyone take a green 18 
     year old kid when you'd stand a better chance of winning with a seasoned 
     veteran? Why would a cash poor school even bother trying to compete? Why 
     am I arguing with you over another one of your whacko ideas?

   > I think you are being a bit naive. Colleges pay big bucks in scholarships
   > and perks to get the best kids that qualify under the guidelines. 

     What "perks", George?

    

RE        <<< Note 65.346 by MSBCS::BRYDIE "I need somebody to shove!" >>>

>     George, it's obvious that the beauty of the best sporting event in
>     America, the NCAA basketball tournament, is lost on you. Pearls before
>     swine if you will. If you haven't the little bit of foresight required 
>     to see how that would be severely damaged should your crazy scheme
>     ever be implemented then you know nothing about college basketball
>     beyond these archaic stereotypes of college athletes that you seem 
>     bent on perpetuating.

  I love this paragraph. I think I'll take it home and frame it.

  I remember after hearing Bob Ryan rant on about how figure skating was a
bogus sport thinking about how college basketball fans believe that if God had
a 2nd son he'd be a forward for Villinova. 

  Basketball is a fine sport just like anything else and I'm sure that it's
fans see beauty just like the fans of any sport see beauty. I think one big
difference is that the fans of most sport realize that the beauty they see
is just their opinion but College Basketball fans think they are on a mission
to find the Holy Grail.

  Let's not get all teary eyed about this it's just a game. The best players
play in the NBA. The kids coming up play in College and most of them are
semi-pros hauling in scholarship perks offered by the bigger schools who want
the prestige so that their alumni will keep writing the checks. 

  If there are any pearls they are in the safe behind the college president's
desk and will go to the mother of some 6' 7" kid from Watts who can hit from
half court.

  George 

George,

You really ought to give up the day job and run for public office......

    Chronology:
    
    1. Coughlin leaves BC - George says, "what's the big deal?"
    
    2. Kerrigan finishes with silver, image tarnished - George says, 
       "what's the big deal?"
    
    3. Jordan ofer Spring Training, may make team - George says, "what's
       the big deal?"
    
    4. Maine judge overrides Hockey East ruling, George says, "what's the
       big deal?"
    
    George, given that none of these topics are such big deals, what do you
    continue to add unending non-sensical notes?  You've wasted how many
    tera-bytes of disk space over topics that don't mean a thing to you?
    
    Mark.

    
  > George, given that none of these topics are such big deals, what do you
  > continue to add unending non-sensical notes?  

    It gives him an opportunity to show how little he knows about
    a variety of subjects.
    

|  > George, given that none of these topics are such big deals, what do you
|  > continue to add unending non-sensical notes?  
|
|    It gives him an opportunity to show how little he knows about
|    a variety of subjects.


C'mon Tommy, George knows everything!  Why, he's giving SPORTS own
Nosta/donus a run for his money.....

    

RE        <<< Note 65.351 by CAPNET::LEFEBVRE "PCBU Product Management" >>>

>    George, given that none of these topics are such big deals, what do you
>    continue to add unending non-sensical notes?  You've wasted how many
>    tera-bytes of disk space over topics that don't mean a thing to you?
    
   So what's the big deal?

   George

    George,
    	You may not be aware of this but professional athletes do play
    college sports today and in the past.  Danny Ainge for example played
    in the blue jays minor league and even for the jay while still at byu
    and starring in basket ball.
    	And back in 50s the nba was allowed to draft right out of high
    school.  Wilt the Stilt was drafted territorially out of a philly high
    school (Overbrook???) and while matriculating at Kansas had his career
    allready mapped out for him.  He then played his senior year for the
    globetrotters who I assume were able to pay him more than he was making
    as a soph and junior at kansas (if he was receiving any $ - I have no
    evidence (nor doubt).
    	
    	I don't think the current system is ideal for the individual
    athletes and the sanctioning is far from imperfect.  I forgot to
    mention that baseball and hockey players are both routinely drafted and
    said rights in effect while playing in college.
    
    	Certainly, having professional teams pay for the scholarships would
    be great but to do so the pros in turn would want some clout (their
    coaches for example - but paid by them?)
    
    	Any one know what Father Monan of BC for example has to say about
    his hockey playing students being "owned" by nhl teams, gratis.
    
    	Finally there is some level of cooperation between colleges and
    pros, fe in football (sometimes used by colleges for leverage) today.
    
    	I would at least like to see the pro teams pay some of the rent for
    this minor league  they have for free.  Today, other than that
    "leverage" there doesn't seem to be anyway to make them.  Ideally some
    kind of win - win situation could be worked out to make both happy.
    
    billte

    Tonya plea bargains guilty to conspiracy to hinder justice,
    gets probation, resigns from USFSA, nogo to Japan(at least for
    skating), gits fine a couplaK grand, no' mo' charges to be filed.
    She said "I'm sorry for interfering".
    
    After the court session, she was seen going to a pay phone and
    overheard saying, "Hello Vince?".
    
    MikeL
    

    
    The fine on Harding is 100K + 50K donation to Special Olympics - not
    exactly small change; I guess she'll have to wrestle in Japan to raise
    that kind of money :-)
    
    The Crazy Met
    

RE               <<< Note 65.357 by MSE1::FRANCUS "Mets in '94" >>>
    
>    The fine on Harding is 100K + 50K donation to Special Olympics - 

  + $10,000 court costs for a total of $160,000, 500 hours of community
service, and resigning from the USFSA which makes her ineligible for the
Nationals or Amateur International competition.

  This does not prevent her from skating as a professional which would include
ice shows and professional competition. Who knows, we may actually see her
skating against Nancy at next year's Duricil Professional Championship. 

  Also there didn't seem to be any restriction on her making money off books,
movies, or TV. One rumor in the Globe was that she's already made over $1
million on interviews. 

  The big loser here could well be the U.S. Figure Skating team. Although a
medal was unlikely, Harding probably would have had a top 10 finish which would
have given the U.S. team two ladies singles skaters on next year's national
team. It's not clear whether Michele Kawn or Nicole Bobbick (sp?) will make the
top 10 against the international field this time around so next year's U.S.
ladies team could be limited to one skater for the 1st time in decades.

  George 

    Who cares about the USFSA or whatever the organization is called.
    What a bunch of eunuchs. I feel bad for those skaters because they
    have to endure this bloated bureaucratic organization with no
    bollocks or power.
    
    Tonya's a stiff.
    
    MikeL
    

    is Figure skating a real sport?

Baiul, Witt, some others also won't be at the World Championships so
the US may actually get a top 10 finish.

re: Harding

Oregon has a Son of Sam law which could mean that Harding may not
be able to see movies rights, etc. However, that type of law has been
ruled unconstitutional in other states and the Oregon Attorney General
expects that the Oregon law will also be ruled invalid - it is currently
being challenged.

The Crazy Met

	Hey TCM, if Tonyas decides to take up rasslin' you better hope she
	don't show up at the OPP to arm-rassle you.  She looks twice your 
	size.


	billl

  Even if there is a law against her making money off her crime it might not
apply to the books and movies being made. She pleaded guilty to an obstruction
of justice type charge for interfering with the investigation after the fact.
They actually got Harding on the same sort of charge that they got Richard
Nixon. 

  She's never been convicted or plead guilty to anything to do with the assault
itself so it seems that the only thing she would not be able to profit from was
any discussion of those 2-3 days after the Nationals when she lied to the FBI. 

  As for wrestling I would image that she can forget that. I doubt that her
parole officer would let her travel to Japan to make $2 million wrestling. In
fact, she may have problems leaving the state for ice shows and the like for
the next few years. 

  George 

                     <<< Note 65.363 by HELIX::MAIEWSKI >>>

>  As for wrestling I would image that she can forget that. I doubt that her
>parole officer would let her travel to Japan to make $2 million wrestling. In
>fact, she may have problems leaving the state for ice shows and the like for
>the next few years. 

    Once again, George, please *try* to keep up.  Why would Harding require
    a parole officer?
    
    Mark.
    

RE        <<< Note 65.364 by CAPNET::LEFEBVRE "PCBU Product Management" >>>

>    Once again, George, please *try* to keep up.  Why would Harding require
>    a parole officer?
    
  In addition to the fine, she was given a 3 year suspended sentence. Doesn't
that involve a parole officer? 

  George 

>    
>  In addition to the fine, she was given a 3 year suspended sentence. Doesn't
>that involve a parole officer? 

I don't believe so.....

  Parole officer or no, it would seem that there would be some restrictions
placed on someone with a suspended sentence. Lorena Bobbit, who was acquitted
by reason of insanity, is restricted to the State of Virginia. It would
seem that someone convicted should have more restrictions than someone with
an insanity acquittal.

  George

There might be restrictions, it is a supervised probation. But, I can't
imagine that she would not be given permission to perform in ice shows.
Very far fetched. If this was even remotely possible it would have been
on all the newscasts last night.

The Crazy Met

  But it could well rule out going to Japan to wrestle (which was the original
point).

  George

>
>There might be restrictions, it is a supervised probation. But, I can't
>imagine that she would not be given permission to perform in ice shows.
>Very far fetched. If this was even remotely possible it would have been
>on all the newscasts last night.

Depends on the jurisdiction, and the type of sentence.  There are suspended
sentences down here which mean the following:  you're guilty, you've
been sentence, however the judge "suspended sentence", meaning you don't
serve time.  You might be placed on probation, supervised or not, or
no probation.

If it's just a suspended sentence, and there's no mention of probation,
then she's free to go where she wants...

It might rule that out, but again that would be very unlikely. Harding
is a low risk candidate to "flee." She has no incentive to not come
back to the US if she is required to.

The Crazy Met

    so she admitted that she's guilty at least.  The prosecution probably
    realized the abused child syndrome would be tough to try, and Tony
    wanted it over with as well without going to prison.  As usual in
    today's courts, they make deals instead of exercising justice.

Mike she admitted guilty to something that happened after the attack,
not to complicity with the attack on Kerrigan.

The Crazy Met

    Most people always had the hunch that she was guilty.  She jumped at
    the chance for a lesser penalty to avoid what was in store.

RE   <<< Note 65.375 by FRETZ::HEISER "can you see who I am thru those eyes" >>>

>    Most people always had the hunch that she was guilty.  She jumped at
>    the chance for a lesser penalty to avoid what was in store.

  No, this is exactly backwards.

  The State never pleads out when they feel they have a good case. They plead
out when they are afraid that their case has holes and that the defendant
might walk. They give up completely when they feel there is no hope for a
conviction at all.

  The fact that the State gave up completely on the assault charge and plead
out the obstruction charge means that they had no confidence at all with their
getting a conviction on the assault and they were a bit unsure of the obstruction
charge.

  This is a big loss for the State. Harding did extremely well and is free to
go ahead with her professional career, books, movies, interviews etc.

  George

>  The State never pleads out when they feel they have a good case. They plead
>out when they are afraid that their case has holes and that the defendant
    
    Guilty people like her always go for the abused-person or temporary
    insanity pleas.

    
      All of this points out why the NCAA basketball tourney is so 
     wonderful. The excitement centers around the games and the
     atmosphere created by the rabid fans of the teams. The Globe
     has a front page n article today on how the Final Four is now
     in the same league as the Super Bowl, World Series, Kentucky
     Derby and Indianapolis 500.  Figure skating, on the other hand,
     is basically a women's sport and needs a soap opera to draw int-
     erest. 
    

RE   <<< Note 65.377 by FRETZ::HEISER "can you see who I am thru those eyes" >>>

>    Guilty people like her always go for the abused-person or temporary
>    insanity pleas.

  One small point. With regard to the assault, Harding is an innocent person,
not a guilty person.

  And I don't agree with your assessment. More often than not guilty parties
use the defense that the state has the wrong guy. Mental defect defenses are
very hard to prove and are usually seen in high profile cases with defendants
who can afford the higher priced attorneys and expert witnesses. 

  George

RE        <<< Note 65.378 by MSBCS::BRYDIE "I need somebody to shove!" >>>

>      All of this points out why the NCAA basketball tourney is so 
>     wonderful. The excitement centers around the games and the
>     atmosphere created by the rabid fans of the teams. 

  Wonderful indeed. NBC's NOW with Tom Brokaw had a big segment last night
on Bobby Knight talking about all the controversy around his butting the head
of one of his players. There are endless stories about schools paying prospects
under the table, giving them perks, and fudging school records for academic
qualifications.

  It's a regular chase for the Holy Grail, minor league basketball at it's
best. 

  George 

yabbut the real excitement still does center around the games.
stick to the topic, will 'ya.

The Crazy Met

RE              <<< Note 65.381 by METSNY::francus "Mets in '94" >>>

>yabbut the real excitement still does center around the games.
>stick to the topic, will 'ya.

  It depends.

  For skating fans, the news was a distraction and the real excitement centered
around the skating. For non fans, it was the Kerrigan/Harding story.

  For AA minor league basketball fans, the news was a distraction and the real
excitement centered around the round ball games. For non fans, it was the
Knight story and the stories about payoffs.

  Same difference,
  George

    
    
         Sorry, George. But there's been article after article
        backing up what I've said all along - the Final Four is
        the best annual sporting event going. An event that crosses
        boundaries in its appeals. On the other hand, if it weren't 
        for a crew of wackadoos, figure skating at the Olympics would 
        have remained what it's always been -  a dull-assed pseudo-sport 
        that appeals mainly to women. Who'd you have in your office
        pool, Kerrigan or Baiul?

RE        <<< Note 65.383 by MSBCS::BRYDIE "I need somebody to shove!" >>>

>         Sorry, George. But there's been article after article
>        backing up what I've said all along - the Final Four is
>        the best annual sporting event going. 

  So fine, authors who write for some publications aimed at an American team
sport audience agree with you. So what? That doesn't prove anything. I'm sure
that if you read farming publications you'd find people getting all worked up
about the Tallahassee Tractor Pull. 

>  Who'd you have in your office
>        pool, Kerrigan or Baiul?

  Now you are getting down to the real appeal. Most people don't give a good
rip about college basketball itself, what they care about is that the tourney
is a good excuse for gambling. If you go to a sports bar and what you hear is
"what's the line on UCONN" or "Who do you want in the Michigan game". Real
purity go'en on there, what? 

  George

    Personally, I got stuck with Katarina Witt in the office pool drawing.

RE              <<< Note 65.384 by PATE::MACNEAL "ruck `n' roll" >>>

>    Or it could mean that the penalties she has been handed down are
>    sufficient punishment and aren't willing to spend any more of the tax
>    payers' money to push it further.

  Most D.A.'s offices are populated by guys just out of Law School that want
to make a name for themselves. They want to get rated high and what they get
rated on is convictions.

  I'm sure that once in a while they get pulled back because of case load but
for the most part if an ADA has a case, he get's what he can out of it. Once he
makes a name for himself he can make a killing in private practice. You don't
build a reputation pleading things out, you do that with the weak cases to save
time for the ones you can win. 

  Everyone is focusing on the timing of the World Championship here (which
most top skaters elected to skip. What was really driving this was that the
Grand Jury was scheduled to announce their decision on Monday. In my opinion
the State didn't feel that great about what they were going to say and caved
in. Considering what they were going after, Harding came out of this really
well.

  George 

all Harding ever admitted to was not saying anything when she found
out after the fact. that is what her plea basically covered. Yeah
she'll end up in an ice show

The Crazy Met


    Looks like George watches L.A.Law.
    
    
    JaKe

	The state of Oregon figured if they tried Harding they were in for the 
"battered syndrome" scam.  Harding started laying grounds for that defense 
when she separated with Gillooly.  The state knew they would be in trouble 
when a figure skater, who is trained to cry on command, got in that witness 
box and turned on the water works, the public and the jury could very well 
perceive this conniving trollop to be a "victim".  The state correctly
assumed that with the preponderance of sensational trials littering the 
television screens that evidence is secondary to performance, and they were 
up against a pro in the acting profession with Tonya Harding.

				   /Don

>
>  So fine, authors who write for some publications aimed at an American team
>sport audience agree with you. So what? That doesn't prove anything. I'm sure
>that if you read farming publications you'd find people getting all worked up
>about the Tallahassee Tractor Pull. 

Wrong.  You'd be surprised at what most farmers are into.   Most of the
farmers I know (and take my word for it, I know a lot of farmers) are into
baseball.


>  Now you are getting down to the real appeal. Most people don't give a good
>rip about college basketball itself, what they care about is that the tourney
>is a good excuse for gambling. If you go to a sports bar and what you hear is
>"what's the line on UCONN" or "Who do you want in the Michigan game". Real
>purity go'en on there, what? 

More bullshit.  Lots of folks gamble, true, but most of the folks I know
who are sports fans (rabid sports fans) don't even understand how The Line
works.....


'Saw

>
>    Looks like George watches L.A.Law.
>    
    
Nah, George is just one of those rare individuals who knows everything
there is to know about everything.

    >most of the farmers I know (and take my work for it, I know a lot...
    
    Aw come on Saw, there are no farms in CT,  Heck, there are farms in
    Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma...the size of CT 8^)
    
    Marc
    

>    
>    Aw come on Saw, there are no farms in CT,  Heck, there are farms in
>    Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma...the size of CT 8^)
>    


Don't tell that to my landlord 8^)

Connecticut has a lot of farmers -- mostly dairy, but also produce, and,
not so much any more, tobacco farmers.

Through my relationship with my landlord I've gotten to know a good few
of the dairy farmers in town.  I'll say one thing -- I could never
be a farmer.  Man, those folks just plain work their asses off.

Now, what you say about the farms in the Great Plains is true, and what
always blows my mind is the equipment they use.   Huge, huge pieces of
equipment....


'Saw    

  The Globe reported today that Harding would need permission from her parole
officer to leave the 3 state area of Washington, Oregon, and California. Guess
I was keeping up after all. 

  As for the penalty I guess it's a matter of what you are comparing it to. Had
Harding been convicted of assault by the state of Oregon and Racketeering
(which her X-Husband pleaded to) by the Feds she would have been looking at
years of jail time and she would probably not have been able to make money off
books, movies, and interviews. 

  As it is she has already made enough money from Hard Copy to pay her fines
and there's talk of a movie in the works. She's also being approached by
companies to do ads for products that are less concerned with a clean image and
Playboy is making offers for a pictorial spread. 

  Sure it's not skating at the Nationals or Worlds, but it's not exactly doing
hard time then looking for a job in a factory either. She'll probably come out
of this a millionaire. If that's a win for the State it's hard to understand
how. 

  There is also a lot of tough talk by the IOC, USFSA, and others about taking
away her National title and various Olympic team gifts and money but it is not
at all clear that they can get away with it. 

  George 

>> The Globe reported today that Harding would need permission from 
>> her parole officer to leave the 3 state area of Washington, Oregon, 
>> and California. Guess I was keeping up after all. 

   It doesn't say anything about a "parole officer". It says that she'd 
   need special court permission. Try and stick to the facts.
    

        <<< Note 65.397 by MSBCS::BRYDIE "I need somebody to shove!" >>>


>   It doesn't say anything about a "parole officer". It says that she'd 
>   need special court permission. Try and stick to the facts.
    
  The article I saw said Parole.

  George

RE              <<< Note 65.399 by PATE::MACNEAL "ruck `n' roll" >>>

>    I thought the whole reason behind accepting Gilooly's plea bargain was
>    so they could get Harding.

  That's what people seemed to be saying at the time, but if that was their
intention it turned out to be a pretty awful idea. His testimony against
Harding turned out to be next to useless in Portland because of an Oregon law
that says the testimony of co-conspiritors is insufficient for an indictment. 

  I suppose it would have been useful had they found some other evidence and
gone to trial but that never happened.

  George

    pssst..George...it's "Probation Officer."
    
    Yer welcome.
    
    Mark.

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  George

    Justice = Tonya makin some $$ and Kerrigan suing for it.

RE  <<< Note 65.403 by CSOA1::BACH "They who know nothing, doubt nothing..." >>>

>    Justice = Tonya makin some $$ and Kerrigan suing for it.

  The big problem is that Kerrigan would have to show a loss. Harding's defense
would be that Kerrigan made a mint because of this and they would be right.
Look at how much better she is doing with her Silver medal than Yamaguchi (sp?)
did with her Gold medal in the same event 2 years ago. 

  George 

 >> Yamaguchi (sp?)

    Hahaha! The first word with more than four letters that you've
    spelled correctly since you showed up here and you pick that
    one to put a "(sp?)" after. You're ok, George. It's the rest
    of the world that's screwed up.
    

  If you can't think of anything intelligent to write, complain about someone's
spelling. 

  George

>  If you can't think of anything intelligent to write, complain about someone's
>spelling. 

George, judging from what we've seen, you ought to complain more about
spelling......

    So you're saying that having a bar snapped against your knee,
    causing severe physical pain and days of rehab are not considered
    "loss".
    
    (Lets not even mention the fact that Kerrigan couldn't perform in the
    nationals)
    
    I beg to differ.  I think Kerrigan would have the best arguement in
    a long time to get fairly compensated by Harding ahd the Hardingettes.

    
>>Through my relationship with my landlord I've gotten to know a good few
>>of the dairy farmers in town.  I'll say one thing -- I could never
>>be a farmer.  Man, those folks just plain work their asses off.
    
    Saw, when they talk about tuggin' on teats, they ain't necessarily
    dairy farmers!!!
    
    Schnorttt Schittt Schleppps
    
    JaKe
    

RE  <<< Note 65.408 by CSOA1::BACH "They who know nothing, doubt nothing..." >>>

>    So you're saying that having a bar snapped against your knee,
>    causing severe physical pain and days of rehab are not considered
>    "loss".

  About all she has is "pain and suffering" which is really hard to sell to a
jury 2-3 years after the fact which is when it would finally get to trial.
There are the medical costs, but they have been more than offset by the money
she is making off this whole thing. 

  You are much better off in a civil suit if you can point to an on going
problem or a loss of something of value. For example if she had been physically
impaired and was still suffering from the injury, she could show that to a jury.
If she had been unable to skate in the Olympics and lost endorsements she
could have pointed to what might have been. But as it turned out, she seemed to
come out ahead. 

  She's making far more in endorsements, movies and books than any silver
medalist has ever made before. In fact there are few gold medalists who have
done as well. It is not at all clear that she would have made this much money
if she hadn't been wacked. 
   
  In this case she recovered quick enough to win a silver medal in the Olympics
a month and a half later and she appears to have had a major financial gain due
to the attack not a loss. Two years from now when she is popping back and forth
between her mansions in Stonham and Orlando spending her millions this won't
look like much of a "loss" to a jury of working stiffs.

  George 

    But maybe, just maybe, if she hadn't been whacked she could have won
    the gold...

    re: .411
    
    huh? what's your reasoning?? I can only think of far-fetched arguments
    for that position.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

RE              <<< Note 65.411 by PATE::MACNEAL "ruck `n' roll" >>>

>    But maybe, just maybe, if she hadn't been whacked she could have won
>    the gold...

  Well first of all, she's never beaten Baiul. In fact the only other time
they skated against each other Baiul came in 1st and Kerrigan came in 5th so
that would be hard sell to sell to the jury.

  But even if she did win the gold, so what? Say the attack had never happened
and she had won the Gold medal. How much more would she have made? Well looking
at past gold medalists, it appears she would have made less. When you add
together endorsements, movies, books and the lot it appears that she's making
more than any other Olympic athlete except for guys like Michael Jordan who had
a day job and were already famous. 

  To win in a civil suit you have to convince the jury that you lost something
of value. She appears to have gained. I really don't see a case. 

  George 

    How can you put a price on being named the best in the world vs. second
    best?  I'll bet a jury could try.
    
    TCM, who knows.  Perhaps Nancy was still suffering physical and
    psychological effects that prevented her from performing at her
    absolute best.  Maybe the judges were tired of seeing her mug and
    hearing her name and subconciously downgraded her performance.

RE              <<< Note 65.414 by PATE::MACNEAL "ruck `n' roll" >>>

>    How can you put a price on being named the best in the world vs. second
>    best?  I'll bet a jury could try.
    
>    TCM, who knows.  Perhaps Nancy was still suffering physical and
>    psychological effects that prevented her from performing at her
>    absolute best.  Maybe the judges were tired of seeing her mug and
>    hearing her name and subconciously downgraded her performance.

  She had the best finish of her life at an Olympic or World Champion
event. It would be a stretch to say that she could have done better. Also
she had the weaker program and she skated it perfectly. Remember, she
skated clean and Bauil beat her with flaws.

  And again, she did better financially than any skater has ever done
before, even with a gold medal.

  No financial loss, no case.

  George

    
  >>No financial loss, no case.
    
    Thank Yew Supreme COurt Justice George.  It's only your opinion that
    there's no case.  Judging by today's juries and the record awards that
    they give out, A few tears on the stand and Nancy would have about $83
    million awarded to her.
    
    Hell, she could probably sue TOnya_bitch's mother, father, grand
    parents and so on because if they hadn't caused the birth of the
    coniving little harlot, the whole shebang never woulda happened, and
    for that matter, why not sue GOD hisself cause if he hadn't started
    this place out i the firsted place, it never woulda happened, either.
    
    NEVER, NEVER say there's "no case".
    
    JaKe
    

  No it's not just my opinion, it's a matter of law. In Tort law the money that
can be paid to a plaintiff is called "damages". The types of damages under Tort
law are: 

  1. Nominal Damages - Normally limited to a small amount like $1.
  2. Compensatory Damages - An amount that compensates the plaintiff for
                            their loss.
  3. Punitive Damages - An additional sum meant to punish the defendant
                        and defer similar actions.

  Nominal Damages don't apply to this discussion since we are talking about
large amounts and there don't appear to be any Compensatory Damages since
Kerrigan seemed to come out ahead so this discussion is about Punitive Damages.

  Juries can award large amounts under Punitive Damages but there is a rule
under Tort law called the "maximum recovery rule" under which the court (i.e.
the judge) can reduce the amount awarded by a jury to the amount that it feels
a reasonable jury would award. This maximum amount is determined based on five
criteria: 

  1. Past physical and mental pain
  2. Future physical and mental pain
  3. Future Medical expenses
  4. Loss of earning capacity
  5. Permanent disability

  It would appear that only the 1st criteria would apply since Kerrigan has
recovered completely but it's not likely that the court would allow all that
much for past physical and mental pain. For example, in Anderson v. Sears,
Roebuck & Co. (USDC, Eastern District of Louisiana, 1974 377 F.Sup. 136) a
child that was burned over 40% of her body including 3rd degree burns covering
80% of her scalp was awarded $600,000 for this element and this was determined
by the court to be reasonable. Other cases seem to run along similar lines.
It's hard to imagine that Kerrigan's "bump" would seem dramatic compared to
these cases.

  Would a jury get swept up and grant her a large amount of punitive damages?
Sure. Would it get reduced to practically nothing by the court under the
"maximum recovery rule"? Probably. And even if a large amount was awarded by
a jury and not reduced by the original court there would probably be appeals
that would go on for years.

  My guess is that Kerrigan would find that process so distasteful and the
likelihood of a desirable outcome so unlikely that she would not pursue the
case.

  SOURCE: Torts, Cases and Materials - 7th edition, Prosser, Wade, Schwartz,
University Casebook Series.

  George

    
    	Well I'll be.  Ole George is a lawyer!  Explains alot....
    
    Claybone

  No, I'm not a lawyer but my girl friend is. She spent most of the late '80s
at B.C. Law and I spent most of the late '80s typing course outlines and legal
papers.

  Ever try doing footnotes with legal citations in RUNOFF format? It can be
done but what a pain. 

  George 

    That's rich.  Didja brake you're spellin' checkah?
    
    Mark.

    Kerrigan was prevented from competing in the US Nationals by the
    person who won the US nationals and has no civil recourse?
    
    How many times does a person get an opportunity to compete in the
    US nationals?  (What if that particular event was her favorite and
    most meaningful?)  How does one gauge how much it affects her ability
    to earn?  How much did winning help Hardings ability to earn?
    
    I think pain and suffering could hold its water.  They do have film of
    Kerrigan screaming bloodly murder.  (I don't think juries expet people
    to retain pain for several years)
    
    I'd put a price tag on all the rehab work.  I think an agruement can be
    made that this came as a result of the attack.  (I'd make someone pay
    me for time lost if they injured me)
    
    Hospital and doctor bills.  yep.
    
    Face it, Tonya paved her way to the Olympics by taking out her biggest
    risk of losing.  She has banked it all the way since the attack.
    
    I've seen people lose suits fer much less.

    Is BC law school like the old BC night school that Dr. Tom used so well
    for his wayward players back in the '80s?
    
    NAZZ

    Tonya pled out of the actual assualt.  On top of any arguments in a
    civil case they would have to prove a role (active) in the assault.
    
    George, I'm surprised you missed this one.

RE  <<< Note 65.421 by CSOA1::BACH "They who know nothing, doubt nothing..." >>>

>    How many times does a person get an opportunity to compete in the
>    US nationals?  (What if that particular event was her favorite and
>    most meaningful?)  

  If you are talking about compensatory damages this argument wouldn't work
very well since she had won the nationals the year before. Also her Olympic
Silver medal is worth much more than a national title. It would be hard to sell
the fact that 2 national golds, and Olympic Bronze and an Olympic Silver would
all be that much better than 1 National Gold, and Olympic Bronze and an Olympic
Silver. 
    
>    I think pain and suffering could hold its water.  They do have film of
>    Kerrigan screaming bloodly murder.  (I don't think juries expet people
>    to retain pain for several years)

  Oddly enough, prosecutors and plaintiff attorneys are moving away from using
tapes. They tend to back fire. Remember the L.A. Riot trial that showed
Damion Williams throwing the brick into the side of Reginal Denny's head,
And the Rodney King beating tape?

  In both cases the defense played the tape to death numbing the jury to the
emotional impact of the tape then arguing frame by frame causing jurors to
doubt what they were seeing. Also the "why me, why now" played over and over
might come across as "why not someone else, big deal if it were some other
time". 

>    I'd put a price tag on all the rehab work.  I think an agruement can be
>    made that this came as a result of the attack.  (I'd make someone pay
>    me for time lost if they injured me)

  Remember, she made money because of this attack. It would be easy to show
that she made more than the doctor's bills. She made millions more than any
other Olympic Silver medalist and just about every gold medalist in history.

>    Face it, Tonya paved her way to the Olympics by taking out her biggest
>    risk of losing.  She has banked it all the way since the attack.
 
  Not so. There were two slots and if the attack had never happened the same
two people would have gone to the Olympics.
   
>    I've seen people lose suits fer much less.

  And I've heard of defense verdicts for cases with much more,

  George

RE                      <<< Note 65.423 by AKOCOA::BREEN >>>

>    Tonya pled out of the actual assault.  On top of any arguments in a
>    civil case they would have to prove a role (active) in the assault.
>    
>    George, I'm surprised you missed this one.

  No I didn't forget. Just because she didn't plead guilty to the assault
doesn't mean that Kerrigan couldn't try to prove the assault in civil court. In
fact, she wouldn't have to worry about the "beyond reasonable doubt" standard,
she could win with a less strict standard of "preponderance of the evidence". 

  Although it would still be difficult to prove. It appears that there was just
barely enough evidence for an indictment which leads to the other half of the
argument against the suit, the cost. When you add up the investigative work,
depositions, discovery, answering interrogatories, and all the rest of the work
the suit would be very expensive to bring to trial. 

  A very small chance of winning a big suit looks a lot less attractive once
you realize that it would cost tens if not hundreds of thousands in legal
costs.

  George

    
    
    George, yer the Doug Llewellyn of SPROTS!!!!!
    
    JaKe
    

    re: .424
    
    George, you claim in this note that Harding did not pave the way for
    Kerrigan to go to the Olympics since there were 2 slots open and the
    same 2 would have gone even if Kerrigan competed. Yet in other notes
    you vociferously claim that newer competitors have a fair and
    reasonable shot at winning medals.  Had Kerrigan competed and the
    judges were really objective and ready to score all competitors without
    pre-conceived notions and past performances Kerrigan could have come in
    3rd and not made the team. You can't logically make both of your
    arguments since they essentially contradict each other.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

  Met, 

  No you have it backwards. 

  The argument that is often made is that Harding had something to gain by
attacking Kerrigan since it would allow her, Harding, to go to the Olympics.
What I am saying is that regardless if Kerrigan had skated in the nationals
or not, Harding would have gone since she beat everyone else.

  Had Kerrigan won, Harding would have been 2nd and gone anyway. Had Kerrigan
flubbed her program, Harding would have been 1st and gone anyway. In either
case, the attack gained Harding nothing in terms of getting her to the
Olympics nor did it keep Kerrigan out of the Olympics.

  For the purposes of a civil suit that means no harm, no foul, or at least
no compensatory damages since the attack didn't result in a financial loss
to Kerrigan.

  George

    
    Maybe I've got this wrong, but I think I heard on the news last night
    that Tonya Harding was named as a co-conspiritor in the indictments
    handed down yesterday in Portland, Or.  But, because of the plea
    bargain, she will not be charged as the others will be (looks like
    Eckhart, and his lawyer, were pretty miffed that Tonya walks and
    Eckhart takes the fall).  Looks like Tonya bobs and weaves better than
    Evander Holyfield, sure ducked that one.
    
    ask          
    

      Oh great, victim of my childhood crappola!!!  String her up on this
    misdemeaner charge!  Shoot some draino in her viens, that'll save some
    tax $$...
    
      Tim

    
    
    " Shoot some draino in her veins....."
    
    
    Man, I wanna PARTY with you!!!!!!!
    
    I remain,
    Kev_for_Hawk
    
    

    DO ya know what Tonya knows that Nancy K. doesn't know????
    
    
    
    
    "Why, Why,Why!!!!!"
    
    
    JaKe
    

Article: 12326
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (AP)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball,clari.local.texas
Subject: Vernon Maxwell Pleads Guilty
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 94 9:50:27 PST
 
	HOUSTON (AP) -- Houston Rockets guard Vernon Maxwell Thursday
pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of illegally carrying a gun
in his car.
	Maxwell was sentenced to four days in jail and ordered to pay a
$1,500 fine, but he will not have to serve any more time behind
bars. Harris County Criminal Court-at-Law Judge Jim Barkley
credited Maxwell with two days for the six hours he was held
earlier this month when he was arrested.
	As part of a plea bargain, the remaining two days were waived
and Maxwell was required to make a statement that he was wrong to
have a gun in his 1993 purple Porsche.
	``I'm a role model and it was wrong of me to be carrying a
gun,'' he told reporters later. ``But like I said and I still stand
by it, I was trying to protect myself if anything happened.
	``But for kids sake, you shouldn't carry guns. It's not right.
It's against the law.''
	Maxwell was arrested March 15 following an incident that led to
the discovery of a handgun in his car.
	He could have received up to $3,000 in fines and a year in jail.
	The demeanor of Maxwell, who showed in up court wearing a dark
suit, multi-colored vest and a white T-shirt, was much more
contrite Thursday than his appearance following his arrest, when he
glared and grumbled at the arresting officer.
	It was Maxwell's third problem with police in the past 20
months.
	He was arrested last summer for arguing with an off-duty police
officer who was working as a security guard at a Houston nightspot.
Patrons said he tried to enter the nightclub ahead of them as they
stood in line.
	Maxwell pleaded no contest to a charge of resisting arrest and
was sentenced to 30 hours of community service and a $500 fine. The
previous summer, Maxwell was arrested on charges of simple assault
at another nightclub.
	The latest incident occurred in traffic outside a cafeteria near
The Summit, where the Rockets play.
	A motorist complained to police that someone driving a car
matching the description of Maxwell's Porsche waved a gun at him
after he honked his horn at the car. Houston police said they
confiscated a .380 semiautomatic pistol from the car's front seat.

Article: 17186
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (AP)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.misc,clari.news.law.crime.trial
Subject: Ferguson: Mercer Offered $100G
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 16:20:38 PST
 
	NEW YORK (AP) -- Heavyweight Jesse Ferguson testified Wednesday
that an overweight, undertrained Ray Mercer offered him $100,000 in
the heat of a fight last year to deliberately lose the bout.
	Ferguson, a 37-year-old journeyman whose biggest purse until
then had been $45,000, said he gave the alleged offer serious
thought. Expected to lose, Ferguson won the fight at Madison Square
Garden on Feb. 6, 1993, by a decision and collected $10,000.
	The prosecution says Mercer, at that time the No. 4-ranked
heavyweight in the world, offered the bribe because he saw his shot
at a $2 million payday and champion Riddick Bowe's title belt being
beaten away by Ferguson.
	``He said, `Man, I ain't got it tonight. I'll give you $100,000
if you go down,''' Ferguson testified at Mercer's sports bribery
trial in Manhattan's state Supreme Court.
	``What was happening when Mr. Mercer made the offer?'' asked
Assistant District Attorney Roslynn Mauskopf. Mercer, showing no
emotion whatever, watched Ferguson from the defense table.
	``I was winning the fight,'' replied Ferguson, who is also
Mercer's former sparring partner. ``He was throwing less punches.
He wasn't as busy as usual. He said he didn't have it. To me that
meant he wasn't in shape to fight.''
	``He kept repeating the same thing over and over again,''
Ferguson said. ``He said, `I'll give to you tomorrow. I swear on my
mother, I'll get it to you tomorrow.'''
	Ferguson went over a barely audible tape of the fight, made by
Home Box Office, and confirmed for Mauskopf that he indeed said
some of the things that a disputed transcript prepared by the
prosecution quoted him as saying.
	On the tape Ferguson scolded Mercer, who was by far the
favorite, as ``a fool'' for not training properly for the fight.
	Nonetheless, Ferguson said he thought the judges would give
Mercer the fight anyway because ``he had the name.'' Mercer, 31,
was the 1988 Olympic heavyweight gold medalist and the No. 3
contender for the heavyweight title.
	On cross-examination by defense lawyer Dominick Amorosa,
Ferguson said he had ``misled'' reporters when he said after the
fight that he never heard Mercer offer him money.
	During a cross-examination that was at once patient and
slashing, Amorosa showed Ferguson videotapes of himself telling
reporters that the report of the alleged bribe offer had been
``blown out of proportion.''
	Amorosa noted that Ferguson's next fight was with Bowe. Ferguson
lost but collected $500,000, more than 10 times as much as he had
ever made.
	It was the first time Ferguson fought a champion, and Amorosa
suggested the Bowe fight was part of Ferguson's reward for
testifying against Mercer.
	The attorney said Ferguson also testified in exchange for
immunity from prosecution for failing to report a bribe.

  I saw some of this trial on Court TV. They showed the jury a tape of the
entire fight with sound and one big problem was that you could not really make
out what the Boxers were saying. All of those quotes were entered into
evidence by a police officer who had played the tape over and over and then
guessed on what they were saying. 

  Originally the officer had written down on his affidavit "defendant appears
to be saying ..." at various points. The judge told him to change it and either
testify as to what was being said or to say he didn't know what was being said.

  The expert commentators on Court TV pointed out that Ferguson had changed his
story and that during a CNN interview he said there was no offer but now he
was claiming that there was an offer for him to throw the fight.

  Ferguson clearly won the fight in a 10 round decision,
  George

    If this makes it to a jury I would hope that 12 sensible men and women
    will quickly vote a not guilty.
    
    I am sick of this style of prosecution especially where a crime was not
    committed.

  The Bribery trial of heavy weight boxer Ray Mercer should go to the jury
today. According to Court TV in the closing arguments the defense reminded the
jury how Mercer's opponent Jesse Ferguson had changed his story of how he
received a bribe to throw the fight. He went on to argue that the tape was
unreliable and that the transcript had been fabricated.

  The prosecutor went over the transcript of the tape point by point to remind
the jury where the offer of a bribe was made. 

  Jury deliberations should start some time today.

  George 

    clarinews@clarinote.com articles by  Mon, 4 Apr 94:


--------
Subject: Colts Backer Bennett Arrested
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 94 8:50:25 PDT
 
	GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) -- Linebacker Tony Bennett, who left the
Green Bay Packeres for the Indianapolis Colts on March 26, was
arrested after a lady friend accused him of battery, police said
Monday.
	Police are seeking a charge of domestic violence battery against
him, Deputy Chief Jim Taylor said.
	The Brown County Jail listed Bennett as having been booked in
Friday at 1:50 p.m. and released on bail at 2 p.m. His bail was
$500, a clerk said.
	Police said Bennett turned himself in after his friend accused
him of battery. Taylor said he did not know how badly injured the
woman was.
	A spokeswoman in the district attorney's office said Monday no
decision had been made yet on whether to issue a formal charge in
the matter.
	Bennett, 26, who held out for 102 days in a contract dispute
with the Packers last season, signed a four-year contract with the
Colts as an unrestricted free agent.

Article: 17585
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (AP)
Newsgroups: clari.news.law.supreme,clari.sports.misc,clari.news.education.higher,clari.tw.education
Subject: Court Nixes `Tarkanian Law'
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 8:00:14 PDT
 
	WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court Monday refused to reinstate
a Nevada law that protected former college basketball coach Jerry
Tarkanian and others at a state university accused of violating
NCAA rules.
	The court, without comment, let stand a ruling that the state
law unconstitutionally interfered with interstate commerce by
preventing the National Collegiate Athletic Association from
adhering to its investigatory rules in Nevada.
	Tarkanian was head coach at the University of Nevada-Las Vegas
from 1973 until he resigned under pressure in 1992.
	It was unclear what impact, if any, Monday's court action would
have on Tarkanian. But it clears all legal doubt about the NCAA's
authority to conduct its investigations as it desires in Nevada.
	Tarkanian's long battle with the NCAA over alleged rule
violations led to a 1988 Supreme Court ruling that said the NCAA,
as a non-governmental body, does not have to meet constitutional
due-process standards in its investigations.
	In 1991, Nevada legislators voted to grant such rights to Nevada
employees, college athletes or program boosters accused of
wrongdoing by a national sports association. The state law included
the right to a hearing before an impartial arbiter, confrontation
of witnesses, court-type restrictions on admissible evidence, and
the right to a court appeal.
	Three other states -- Nebraska, Florida and Illinois -- have
enacted laws to provide similar protections for people accused of
violating NCAA rules.
	The NCAA challenged the Nevada law in federal court, and a judge
struck it down as an unlawful regulation of the NCAA's conduct
beyond the state's borders.
	The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals agreed, ruling that the
law ``goes to the heart of the NCAA and threatens to tear that
heart out.''
	The Nevada law would force the NCAA to follow Nevada's rules
nationwide to keep its system uniform, the court said, adding that
conflicting laws in other states would disrupt the enforcement
system altogether.
	In the appeal acted on Monday, lawyers for Tarkanian and others
associated with UNLV said states are entitled to grant their
citizens due-process protections beyond those provided under the
federal Constitution.
	But lawyers for the NCAA said an integral part of its
enforcement process is a hearing by a committee of one's peers.
	The NCAA ``cannot provide its Nevada members with procedural
protection it denies others ... any more than it could allow some
schools to pay their athletes or exempt them from attending
classes,'' its lawyers said.
	The case is Tarkanian vs. NCAA, 93-1369.

	Copied without permission from an April 1, 1994 issue of a
	Bennington, Vt. paper.



     LOCAL MAN SOFTLY INJURED WHEN STRUCK BY SHARDS OF EXPLODING SNEAKER
							by Hooda Thunkit

BENNINGTON - A local man was injured yesterday when his sneaker exploded.
  According to police, Frank J. Duckwater, 23, of 512151 River Road was in
his garage inflating his new Jammayoumama sneakers with a compressor when
the nozzle jammed and could not be removed from the shoe.  Police said 
Duckwater was apparently attempting to unlace the shoe when it exploded.
 Duckwater, an unemployed bungi-cord tester, was taken by the Bennington 
Rescue Squad to the Southwest-northerern Vermont Medical Center where he
was treated for internal injuries and facial lacerations.  A hospital
spokesman said the injuries were caused by concussion and shards of
canvas and rubber that imbedded in his body and face.

 Duckwater was unconscious when he was brought into the hospital and
hospital officials, fearing that he would remain in a vegetative state,
refused to feed and water him.  His attourney, Martin Brickbat, who
followed the ambulance to the hospital, obtained a court order requiring
hospital officials to force feed Duckwater, even if he regained 
consciousness.
 Brickbat, of the firm Dewey, Cheatham and Howe, in a press conference
at the hospital, said yesterday that all possible efforts had to be made
to assure Duckwater's survival, at least through a civil suit of the 
Jamayoumama Atheletic Shoe Co., of West Overshoe, Idaho, a division of
Mega Corp. of Panama.
 " This is a case that has nation-wide implications," Brickbat said. "This
will create volumes of case law.  This guy is my meal ticket and I ain't
lettin' him outta my sight."

 I did enjoy Dewey, Cheatam and Howe....

    
> I did enjoy Dewey, Cheatam and Howe....
    
 	Except that they stole the law firm's name from the NPR show
    Car Talk. Click & Clack always end their show with Dewey, Cheatum, &
    Howe in the credits!
    
    JimH
    

Article: 17633
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (AP)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.misc,clari.news.crime.misc,clari.news.law.crime
Subject: `Fan Man' Jailed For Big Fight
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 94 13:50:16 PDT
 
	LAS VEGAS (AP) -- He dropped in unannounced at Evander
Holyfield's last fight on the Las Vegas Strip and pulled a similar
stunt at London's Buckingham Palace. But James ``Fan Man'' Miller
has been grounded and will be in jail when Holyfield returns to the
ring Friday night.
	Miller pleaded guilty Thursday to a misdemeanor charge of
trespassing at Caesars Palace, where he swooped into the ring on a
propeller-driven flying contraption last November, disrupting the
Holyfield-Riddick Bowe fight.
	Justice of the Peace Nancy Oesterle sentenced Miller to 10 days
in jail, stipulating that the sentence begin immediately. The
sentence also stipulates that Miller is banned forever from Caesars
Palace property.
	The sentence means Miller will be spending Friday night in the
Clark County Detention Center, rather than somewhere in the skies
above the Las Vegas Strip when Holyfield battles Michael Moorer for
the heavyweight title.
	Miller, 30, of Henderson, appeared in garish attire at
Thursday's hearing, wearing a red flight suit, white helmet and
blue goggles.
	A bailiff instructed Miller to remove the helmet. The
defendant's head was shaven, and painted green with red stripes.
	Miller unzipped his jumpsuit and a tattered American flag puffed
out.
	Despite the flamboyant attire, Miller was quiet in court,
answering Oesterle's questions and agreeing that the plea was
voluntary.
	Miller originally was charged with a gross misdemeanor count of
operating an aircraft in a reckless manner, punishable by up to a
year in jail.
	Oesterle declined to fine Miller on the misdemeanor count,
noting he had already been fined $4,000 by the Federal Aviation
Administration. Last month, Miller told court officials he had no
money to pay legal fees and was represented at Thursday's hearing
by a public defender.
	Prosecutor Ben Graham called Miller ``unpredictable'' and
suggested jail was the safest place for him to be Friday night.
	Miller was arrested after the November stunt, which was seen on
television worldwide. He made several passes over the outdoor ring
where the Holyfield-Bowe fight was underway, then swooped in for a
landing. His giant enclosed fan struck the ring ropes and he became
entangled as the startled fighters watched. Bowe's cornermen
pounced on Miller and began pummeling him until police and security
guards rescued him.
	He was treated for minor injuries, then disappeared before
charges were filed against him in December.
	He later flew over the Coliseum during a Los Angeles Raiders
game, landing outside the stadium without incident.
	In early February, Miller was arrested in London after landing
inside Buckingham Palace. He was deported in March and escorted to
Las Vegas, where Metro Police officers were waiting to arrest him.
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Article: 17936
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (AP)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.golf,clari.sports.misc,clari.news.usa.law,clari.news.law.civil
Subject: Golfer Hit By Ball, Sues Club
Date: Wed, 4 May 94 20:30:25 PDT
 
	NEW YORK (AP) -- A man is suing a country club and a co-worker
for $3 million, claiming he was beaned by a golf ball during a
company outing.
	James Henn, an employee of the Lehman Bros. securities firm,
said in court papers that the accident at the Rockaway Hunting Club
in Lawrence left him with permanent injuries and mental anguish and
that he has been ``unable to attend to his normal duties and
pursuits.''
	Henn alleges that the club and its head golf pro, Randy
Cavanagh, were negligent for failing to control its golf course and
for not monitoring golfers' abilities and actions. His lawsuit also
names colleague Alan Greco of Manalapan, N.J., who allegedly hit
the wayward ball.
	Cavanagh says he doesn't know why he was sued.
	``I wasn't there,'' he said. ``I was sitting at a computer
terminal in my office. I didn't know the fellow had been hit until
I heard the ambulance taking him away.''
	Cavanagh said the club does not require golfers to show their
talents before going onto the course, but all are given copies of
club rules, which are the same as those used nationwide by the
professional tour.
	Greco, reached at Lehman Bros., said he was unable to discuss
the case.
	Neither Henn nor his lawyer, Ava Maynard, returned calls.

    The same three person panel which upheld a finding of guilty on ny
    times for libel because of a book review in feb.94 as reversed its
    decision and is saying Times is protected by free speech, artistic
    criticsm etc.
    
    The book's premise was on the influence of gambling on nfl and ny times 
    book review (1989) severely criticized the reporting.
    
    Perhaps this was discussed before in here.
    
    Personally I doubt that gambling has the influence that advertising and
    tv have on major sports.  As I have mentioned before, the sale of tv
    time for the 1993 ncaa basketball tournement and it's predication of
    having big name teams in finals was discussed by wsj and the lack of
    those same names this year apparently had some of the sponsors crying
    in their beer.
    
    However, predicting this type of thing is hazardous as Mac so
    generously pointed out (yes I caught it) to me on my picking magic on
    premise that nba would want to sell Shaq because of lack of big name
    teams (celtics,lakers,detroit) and of course Michael.
    
    

 
	TULSA, Okla. (AP) -- A Central Hockey League player was charged
Friday with three misdemeanor counts of assault and battery for
fighting with two off-duty police officers in the penalty box.
	Oklahoma City Blazers defenseman Bruce Shoebottom was accused of
head-butting one officer and slamming another against a wall during
the March 23 game in Tulsa. He also was charged with shoving a
minor referee.
	Shoebottom, whom prosecutors said could have faced felony
assault charges, was hospitalized after one of the officers
involved used a choke hold to render him unconscious.
	Shoebottom could not be located immediately for comment.
	``I am a little surprised it happened today,'' said Brad Lund,
general manager of Oklahoma City Blazers. ``I think we were
expecting something about five weeks ago of this nature and really
hadn't heard anything in the last few weeks.''
	Lund had been highly critical of police, whom he described as
``completely out of line.''
	The charges against Shoebottom allege he struck off-duty officer
Ron Herwig ``by then and there head-butting him about the head with
force and violence and with the unlawful intent to do him corporal
hurt and bodily injury.''
	Witnesses said the incident occurred when Shoebottom tried to
jump from the penalty box at Tulsa's Mike MacWilliam, who had
yelled from the ice during the first period.
	Police said Shoebottom pushed referee Guy Richard Smith, then
head-butted Herwig, who had moved to help. Herwig's partner,
officer Chris Witt, used a choke hold to bring down Shoebottom.
	The charges accuse Shoebottom of ``striking (Witt) about the
chest with his fists and slamming him against the plexiglass wall
with force and violence.''
	The officers, who were in uniform, were working as security
guards for the Oilers. When Herwig went down, he pressed the
emergency button on his police radio, bringing 22 on-duty officers
rushing to the convention center.

    Yup...
    

Article: 18121
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (AP)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.misc,clari.world.asia.japan
Subject: Japan Bars Maradona Entry
Date: Thu, 12 May 94 0:50:06 PDT
 
	TOKYO (AP) -- Argentine soccer star Diego Maradona was barred
Thursday from entering Japan for World Cup tuneup games because of
his drug history.
	The government said it will not grant him a visa, saying his
drug-related arrests disqualified his entry under Japanese law.
	On Wednesday, Maradona was granted a visa to travel to the
United States for next month's World Cup. He received a three-month
visa for the purpose of playing in the tournament, a U.S. Embassy
spokeswoman in Buenos Aires said.
	Maradona, 33, was suspended from international play for 15
months in 1991-92 after testing positive for cocaine use. He also
was arrested in Buenos Aires in 1991 for cocaine possession.
	An official of the Foreign Nationals Affairs Division in the
Foreign Ministry, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Japan
granted a visa for Argentine striker Claudio Caniggia.
	Canigga, who played his first game in more than a year Monday
night after serving a suspension for cocaine use, has no drug
arrest record.
	The U.S. Embassy spokeswoman in Buenos Aires said she didn't
know if Caniggia has applied for a visa to the United States.
	Maradona hoped to travel to Japan with the Argentine national
team to play in the Kirin Cup against France and Japan on May
22-26. A Japanese ministry official said the government received a
visa request from Maradona late last month.

Article: 6588
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (AP)
Newsgroups: clari.local.florida,clari.sports.tennis,clari.news.drugs,clari.living.celebrities
Subject: Tennis Ponders Capriati Future
Date: Tue, 17 May 94 17:20:18 PDT
 
	MIAMI (AP) -- Jennifer Capriati's continuing slide from stardom
has players and tennis officials concerned about her future, not
just on the court but beyond it.
	Capriati, among the world's top women players when she abruptly
left the tour last fall, was arrested Monday for possession of
marijuana at a motel in Coral Gables, Fla.
	``Hopefully this is rock bottom, and she'll start to climb out
of it,'' said Pam Shriver, president of the WTA Tour Players
Association.
	Capriati, 18, was secluded with her parents Tuesday in Boca
Raton, Fla. She couldn't be reached for comment, but her agent
issued a statement on behalf of the family thanking the public for
its ``good wishes during this difficult time.''
	Her arrest came five months after she was cited by Tampa police
for allegedly shoplifting a $15 ring from a mall.
	``Your first reaction is you're sad for the person that she's
still having trouble getting back on track,'' Shriver said, ``not
just to be a tennis player, but as a solid, secure teen-ager moving
in a positive direction.''
	Capriati has given no indication when she might return to the
tennis circuit. There will be no disciplinary action by the WTA
Tour because its list of prohibited drugs doesn't include
marijuana.
	Capriati recently said she was completing her senior year of
high school at a private school in Boca Raton while taking an SAT
preparation class at Florida Atlantic University. A university
official said Tuesday she had no record of Capriati enrolling for
the course.
	Police did not specifically say why Capriati was in Coral
Gables, although they said there were several high school prom
parties in the area over the weekend. Capriati lives in Boca Raton,
a 90-minute drive from Coral Gables.
	Rick Macci, who coached Capriati from the time she was 10 until
she turned pro just before her 14th birthday, said he expects her
to rejoin the tour.
	``There's no doubt she's going to play again. There's no doubt
she can be at the top of the mountain,'' Macci said.
	``She has grown up in front of the whole world -- what you eat,
who you date, what you drive. Sometimes it's easier to turn that
button off. Obviously this (arrest) doesn't help it. But when it's
all said and done, we'll look at this as just part of her growing
up.''
	The circumstances of Capriati's arrest made it even more
surprising. Two other teen-agers, one a drifter and the other a
runaway, were arrested with the millionaire tennis star. The
$50-a-night hotel room was registered in Capriati's name.
	``She's the type of person that would be anybody's friend,''
Macci said. ``She just wants to fit in and be one of the gang.''
	The 17-year-old runaway was charged with possession of two
packets of heroin and released to her parents. Tom Wineland, 19,
was charged with possession of suspected crack cocaine and drug
paraphernalia and held Tuesday at the Dade County Jail in lieu of
$6,000 bond.
	As for Capriati, a police mug shot of the magazine cover girl
was printed in newspapers around the world Tuesday.
	``I hope that this serves as a wake-up call for Jennifer, and
that she reorders her priorities and chooses her friends a bit more
carefully,'' said Gerard Smith, executive director of the WTA Tour.
``Whether she returns to tennis is a secondary matter.''
	Coincidentally, the June issue of Tennis magazine includes a
story about Capriati's absence from the tour. Among those quoted is
Tom Gullikson, who was Capriati's coach when she first turned pro.
	``I think she's got a lot of work to do if she's ever to come
back,'' Gullikson told Tennis. ``And she has to want to do it for
herself; she can't be coming back because of others' expectations.
	``The thing is, I honestly never got the sense that she really
loved the game, the way you sense that a Pete Sampras or a Jimmy
Connors really loves it. To be great for a long, long time, you've
got to love it.''

re: Jennifer

Saw that one coming for years...

    
    
    	Yabbut izzat the one with the earring in the nose?
    

Nah, it's your typical runaway teenager drug user living in a motel room
kinda look.

However, look for a lawsuit cause she's making noises about her father is
to blam!

TTom

    
    	I thought the "ring in da nose" looked kinda cute on her.
    
    Claybone

>    
>    	I thought the "ring in da nose" looked kinda cute on her.
>    
>    Claybone
>

You know, sometimes when I'm on the phone, I can lose the back of my
earring, and it can fall out (especially if it's an old earring).

The scary thing I'd bet about that nose ring, is if the back was loose
and she sneezed.


To paraphrase my Mom:  She could put somebody's eye out with that thing!


'Saw

    
>>To paraphrase my Mom:  She could put somebody's eye out with that thing!
    
    Nah, the snot attached to it would cushion it when it hit the eye.
    
    JaKe
    

 as the Hawkster would say...........

 Jenny I WANT TO PARTY WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

 mike

>Jenny I WANT TO PARTY WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

	You'll have to do it in drug rehab.  Jennifer reportedly
checked herself into a detox joint in Miami this morning.  She also
has lost her multi-million dollar deal from Prince Racquets.

	Guess she was doing a little more than just hanging out
at the hotel.

	zamboni

|Title:  What a waste
 
Couldn't agree more, 'boni.

Some say that doing the drug re-hab is an easy way out to restore her public
image.  Her problems go much deeper than drugs.  Her parents should be cained.

=Bob= 

    Yea it is sad.
    
    Let's see what the facks are. She has her whole life ahead of her
    so let's hope she gets her problems addressed. And from the sounds of
    it(not begging off her accountability in this) her old man ought to
    join  Mary Pierce's pop in a bobbing for a great white shark contest.
    
    MikeL
    

Speaking of Caning....

I heard a partial report or something that them Singapore folks don't
cane their own, only foreigners.  It was alluded to on Imus this morning
also.

Anyone have the true poop on that?


'Saw

    Did any else else see LAw and Order lasted night???
    
    Great show.....
    
    REK

>                  -< Yo 'Saw, What doesn't belong and why!! >-


Uh, uh, uh....

huh?

    

    Was Heat of the Night on or was it All in the Family?
    
    

    Ok, what did I miss about the Cardinal.
    

Article: 8597
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (AP)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.football,clari.news.usa.law
Subject: Steelers Star Sues Pittsburgh
Date: Wed, 18 May 94 16:10:18 PDT
 
	FORT WAYNE, Ind. (AP) -- Pittsburgh Steelers defensive back Rod
Woodson is suing the city and two police officers over his arrest
and trial following a domestic dispute.
	Woodson, a 29-year-old Fort Wayne native, alleges he was wrongly
arrested May 19, 1992. The lawsuit filed Tuesday in Allen Superior
Court alleges Woodson's subsequent imprisonment and prosecution
were based on ``perjured testimony by the defendants ... and other
agents of the city,''
	City officials said they would not comment on pending
litigation.
	Woodson was charged with battery to a police officer and
resisting arrest after a dispute between him and his brother, Jamie
Woodson, at their mother's Fort Wayne home. A jury acquitted Rod
Woodson in a two-day trial in March 1993.
	Police were called to Linda Woodson's home in anticipation of
trouble between the brothers, who disagreed over whether medical
treatment should continue for their terminally ill father.
	A fight reportedly started when a distraught Jamie Woodson
struck his brother.
	The lawsuit alleges that police Officer John Shank, acting on
then-Sgt. Michael Tippmann's advice, arrested Woodson without
cause. Shank said Rod Woodson interfered with his attempts to
arrest Jamie Woodson, but other witnesses in Rod Woodson's trial
disputed the claim.
	In a deposition, Tippmann said he had seen the brothers fighting
with police officers. However, other officers testified during the
trial that Tippmann did not arrive at the house until after the
exchange of punches and kicks.
	Tippmann eventually recanted his earlier statements, saying he
was unsure what he saw because of the noise and confusion at the
home. The 18-year veteran was demoted and suspended for 30 days
without pay for his admitted deception, considered conduct
unbecoming an officer.
	Woodson's lawsuit names Tippmann and Shank as defendants, along
with the city of Fort Wayne, Mayor Paul Helmke and City Clerk
Sandra Kennedy. The lawsuit said the defendants' conduct
constitutes ``false arrest, false imprisonment, malicious
prosecution, malicious abuse of process, libel and slander.''
	It seeks damages for pain and suffering, defamation of character
and costs related to Woodson's trial. Woodson also wants punitive
damages.

    The Cardinal did the joke aboy crossing a crooked politician
    wif a crooked lawyer(result=Chelsea). He then got a little
    risque in talking about the show on breast cancer(My Breast) and
    extrapolatin' on what shows on ther body parts might be called.
    And the expected insults to Imus etc.
    
    MikeL
    

I liked the part this morning where he gave Charles a message that
said "Eat Rat Urp you fat little doody"  I was rolling.....


'Saw

'Saw

Imus definitely has that one wrong. Singapore canes about 1000 of 
its citizens each year.

The Crazy Met

>
>Imus definitely has that one wrong. Singapore canes about 1000 of 
>its citizens each year.
>
>The Crazy Met


As I said, I only caught a part of it, and at that point I was in
"the Valley of Death" on Rt 2 in Glastonbury, the one spot where reception
of WFAN is the weakest....

thanks TCM,
'Saw

    IMUS was quoting from a Safire article from yesterday.
    
    Safire's point apparently is that S'pore's president made a fool of
    Clinton.  And that s'porians are not caned for like offenses and that
    he ran his 'facts' by the S'ore embassy and there was "no dispute".
    
    What is more likely and Mac surely will agree, that this is all a 
    republican consipiracy.
    
    btw - what is "caining"?  Does that have something to do with
    mayonnaise?  What ever happended to good ol' american cheez wiz

    Imus wuz wrong.
    
    I have a colleague in Singapore who, when asked if he witnessed the
    caning, replied that the canings are not in public. He added (laughing,
    btw) that they typically cane about 5 offenders a day behind prison
    walls, and that the US is the only ones making a beef.
    
    Mark.

    The people of Singapore probably don't need the caning by now since
    they know how to behave and respect others.

Caining has to do with that guy in the Bible, who was sent to the East of
Eden, where he turned into James Dean.

Hope this helps....

>                     -< I thought it was the Kung Fu guy >-


Nah, that was Wang Chung.....8^)

    Everybody Wang Chung tonight...
    

>                        -< Kung Fu guy..Citizen Cain?? >-


Rosebud Barr.....
    

    Can you imagine Kung Fu being played by Bruce Lee as was supposed to
    be?

    
>>       <<< Note 65.474 by HBAHBA::HAAS "Maybe too much Goody's Powder" >>>
>>                       -< Rod sues Pittsburgh, the city >-

>>Article: 8597
>>From: clarinews@clarinet.com (AP)
>>Newsgroups: clari.sports.football,clari.news.usa.law
>>Subject: Steelers Star Sues Pittsburgh
    
    This is WRONGO!!!  Woodson is suing Fort Wayne, Indiana, NOT
    Pittsburgh.
    
    It stems from a fight he got into with his brother, and subsequent
    shaky arrest in which an occifer er two lied and then recanted their
    testimony on why Rod was arrested.  At least one of the occifers was
    suspended fer a while fer lying and helping to trump up charges against
    Woodson.
    
    JaKe
    

Article: 13259
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (AP)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball,clari.news.crime.misc,clari.living.celebrities
Subject: 2 Nets Said Set To Surrender
Date: Thu, 19 May 94 14:20:28 PDT
 
	NEW YORK (AP) -- New Jersey Nets Derrick Coleman and Jayson
Williams will surrender to detectives next week and be charged with
assault in connection with a street brawl outside a Manhattan club,
a source said Thursday.
	Officially, police have maintained that they only want to
question the players about the April 30 incident involving three
teen-agers.
	But a police source, speaking on the condition of anonymity,
said authorities already have decided to charge the pair when they
arrive Tuesday for an appointment with detectives at the 10th
Precinct.
	The players agreed to turn themselves in after police threatened
to issue warrants for their arrests on charges of third-degree
assault, a misdemeanor, the source said.
	Coleman's agent, Harold MacDonald, confirmed that his client --
the highest paid player in the NBA -- ``expects to be charged with
something ... The process is academic.'' William's spokesman Sal
Defazio did not return phone messages.
	The players will be given tickets ordering them to appear in
court and then released, the source said.
	``We're confident Mr. Coleman will be exonerated,'' MacDonald
said. ``The only thing he's guilty of is being Derrick Coleman.''
	The teen-agers -- Jacob Cruz, 19, Ariel Roldos, 18, and Thomas
Delgado, 16 -- filed a complaint with police after Coleman and
Williams allegedly beat them between 2 a.m. and 3 a.m. outside
Rebar, a Chelsea nightspot. Last week, the teens also filed a $8
million civil suit against the players.
	The teen-agers claimed that they were attacked after one taunted
the players with comments like ``the Nets can't hang with the
Knicks,'' referring to the Nets' 91-80 loss to the Knicks in the
first round of the NBA playoffs.
	The youths' attorney, Eric Green, alleged that Coleman ignited
the brawl by ``jumping on one kid and flailing away.''
	One of the teen-agers received six stitches for a head wound,
another was punched in the arm and the third sustained a hand
injury, police said.
	The suit, filed in Manhattan's State Supreme Court, charges that
the teens were victims of ``unwarranted, willful, malicious''
attacks.
	Besides the $7.6 million in damages the teens are asking, Cruz's
mother, Sonya Cruz, asked $300,000 and Roldos' mother, Sandra
Roldo, asked $100,000 for loss of their sons' ``society and
companionship.''

Article: 8604
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (AP)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.football,clari.local.florida
Subject: Ex-Dolphin Mark Duper Arrested
Date: Fri, 20 May 94 9:40:27 PDT
 
	MIAMI (AP) -- Mark Duper, the former Miami Dolphins Pro Bowl
receiver who legally changed his middle name to Super, was arrested
in a pre-dawn sting operation Friday after he tried to buy a
kilogram of cocaine, authorities say.
	Duper, 35, and his 25-year-old brother-in-law, Brian Briggs,
were arrested at 1 a.m. EST at a Pompano Beach hotel in a sting set
up by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration and Coral Springs
Police Department, according to the DEA's Miami spokesman, Jim
Shedd.
	``It was an operation we've been working up for over a month,''
Shedd said. ``And (Duper) was interested in purchasing a kilo of
cocaine so he could transport it to Shreveport, La., -- which is
where he's from -- and convert it to crack cocaine for sale.''
	Shedd said Duper and Briggs were to appear before a U.S.
Magistrate in federal court in Fort Lauderdale this afternoon.
	The DEA spokesman said it's likely that Duper and Briggs will
face federal counts of conspiracy to possess cocaine, with intent
to distribute, ``among other charges.''
	Duper, who lives in Coral Springs, made a sizeable downpayment
for the cocaine two days ago, Shedd said.
	``There were undercover agents involved in the negotiations,''
Shedd said. ``They fronted at (Duper's) residence $8,000 on the
18th, and delivery was conducted on the 20th at approximately one
in the morning at a hotel in Pompano Beach.''
	Both Duper and Briggs are now in the custody of U.S. marshals,
Shedd said. If the magistrate orders them held this afternoon
pending future hearings, they will probably be sent to the federal
Metropolitan Correctional Center south of Miami.
	Duper was released by the Dolphins last summer. He signed with
Cincinnati, but was cut by the Bengals before the season.
	Last month, Duper criticized the Dolphins and their current
receivers.
	``They made a mistake when they let me go, because I'm better
than either Irving Fryar or Mark Ingram,'' Duper said.
	Duper is now with the expansion Shreveport (La.) Pirates of the
Canadian Football League.
	``I'm going to show (the Dolphins) and the rest of the NFL that
I'm still a great receiver,'' he said last month.

>	``I'm going to show (the Dolphins) and the rest of the NFL that
>I'm still a great receiver,'' he said last month.


Bend over super and show bubba what a great receiver you are !!!

    
    ex Phoenix Cardinal Freddie Joe Nunn was arrested for manslaughter
    yesterday, outside a convenience store.  Salary cap is really hurting
    the middle of the road players, I guess.
    
    boC

Article: 13317
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (AP)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball
Subject: Nets' Coleman Charged
Date: Mon, 23 May 94 16:30:23 PDT
 
	NEW YORK (AP) -- New Jersey Nets star Derrick Coleman was
arrested and charged with assault Monday in connection with a
street brawl with teen-agers last month outside a Manhattan
nightclub.
	Coleman entered the 10th Precinct with four attorneys at 4 p.m.
EDT and surrendered to detectives, said police spokeswoman
Bernadette Rainy.
	She said police planned to issue him a desk appearance ticket
for third-degree assault and release him.
	Coleman, an all-star forward and the NBA's highest-paid player,
agreed to turn himself in after police threatened to issue a
warrant for his arrest on the misdemeanor charge, a police source
said last week.
	The teen-agers -- Jacob Cruz, 19; Ariel Roldos, 18; and Thomas
Delgado, 16 -- filed a complaint with police after Coleman allegedly
beat them between 2 a.m. and 3 a.m. on April 30 outside Rebar, a
Chelsea nightspot. The teens also have filed a $8 million civil
suit against Coleman and Jayson Williams, another Net player who
they said attacked them.
	Rainy, however, said police had no evidence Williams was
involved.
	``He has nothing to do with it,'' she said.
	The teen-agers claimed they were attacked after one taunted the
players with comments like ``the Nets can't hang with the Knicks,''
referring to the Nets' 91-80 loss to the Knicks in the first round
of the NBA playoffs.
	The youths' attorney, Eric Green, alleged Coleman ignited the
brawl by ``jumping on one kid and flailing away.''
	One of the teen-agers received six stitches for a head wound,
another was punched in the arm and the third sustained a hand
injury, police said.
	The suit, filed in Manhattan's State Supreme Court, charges that
the teens were victims of ``unwarranted, willful, malicious''
attacks.
	The teens are seeking $7.6 million in damages. Cruz's mother,
Sonya Cruz, is suing for $300,000 and Roldos' mother, Sandra Roldo,
for $100,000 for loss of their sons' ``society and companionship.''
	Coleman's contract guarantees him $30 million over the next four
years.
	He was ordered to appear in Manhattan Criminal Court on the
assault charge May 31.

    	I'm no Coleman fan but this smacks of 90's style lawyer inspired
    BS suit.
    
    				   /Don

Article: 10174
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (AP)
Newsgroups: clari.local.sfbay,clari.sports.basketball.college,clari.news.trouble,clari.living.celebrities
Subject: Kidd Questioned Over Accident
Date: Mon, 23 May 94 17:50:13 PDT
 
	OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) -- Jason Kidd, expected to be one of the top
selections in next month's NBA draft, met Monday with authorities
who were investigating him for allegedly fleeing the scene of a
traffic accident.
	There were no injuries in the wreck early Sunday on Interstate
80.
	Kidd, an All-America point guard who led California to
consecutive NCAA tournament appearances, was driving a Toyota
Landcruiser when it allegedly sideswiped a Volkswagen Rabbit near
the connector ramp to eastbound I-580.
	Kidd's vehicle skidded, went out of control and overturned. The
VW sustained moderate damage to its left side, said California
Highway Patrol Lt. Rich Garcia said.
	Another car stopped and Kidd left the scene, leaving behind two
passengers who were riding with him. One of those passengers became
belligerent and kicked out the window of a patrol car, Garcia said.
	Kidd, accompanied by a lawyer, was interviewed about the
accident Monday by CHP investigators, Sgt. Fred Bowe said.
	In a statement released through his agent, Bill Duffy, Kidd
admitted fleeing the scene but denied he was intoxicated.
	``While driving two friends home I was involved in an accident.
I panicked and mistakenly left the scene. I was not intoxicated and
I have spoken with the authorities regarding this matter.
Thankfully, no one was injured,'' Kidd said.
	Garcia said witnesses told the CHP that Kidd's car was weaving
in and out of traffic and speeding before smacking the other
vehicle. Depending on the outcome of a CHP investigation, Kidd
could face misdemeanor hit-and-run and reckless driving charges.
	Riding with Kidd were Joe Davis, 25, of Hayward, and Milton
Jackson, 27, of Bellevue, Wash. Jackson, who damaged a patrol car
when he tried to kick a window, was booked on suspicion of
vandalism, resisting arrest and public drunkenness.
	The driver of the VW Rabbit was identified as Donald Peck, 33,
of San Ramon, Bowe said.
	Kidd, 21, the nation's assist leader, announced in March he was
leaving Cal after two seasons to enter the NBA draft. Many
observers expect him to go to the Dallas Mavericks who have the
second pick.
	Mavericks spokesman Kevin Sullivan said Monday team officials
had heard the report about Kidd, but had no comment.
	``There's really nothing for us to comment on,'' Sullivan said.
``We haven't drafted Jason Kidd. We don't have his rights.''

Article: 13337
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (AP)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball,clari.local.utah,clari.news.crime.misc
Subject: Utah Owner May Face Charges
Date: Tue, 24 May 94 16:20:22 PDT
 
	SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Prosecutors met Tuesday with Salt Lake
police to determine whether Utah Jazz owner Larry Miller will face
criminal charges for his scuffle with Denver fans last week.
	The meeting lasted about 90 minutes, Salt Lake police Detective
Jim Alcock said.
	Prosecutor Cheryl Luke said police presented her with ``volumes
of evidence,'' including numerous taped witness statements. She
refused to speculate when she would decide.
	``Let me put it this way. The statute of limitations is two
years,'' she said Tuesday afternoon.
	The NBA said on Monday it would take no further action against
Miller for his scuffle May 17 in the Delta Center with three Denver
Nuggets fans during Game 5 of the Utah-Denver series, league
spokesman Jan Hubbard said.
	Miller issued a tearful apology the next day following a media
and public uproar, but maintained that the fans provoked him by
calling him names and bumping into him.
	Miller was photographed grabbing the shirt of one fan, his other
hand clenched in a fist, as his son and wife tried to pull him
away.
	By mutual agreement with the league, Miller missed the last two
games of the second-round series with the Nuggets, which the Jazz
won in seven games.
	He has also agreed not to show up for the first home game in the
Utah-Houston series on Friday. Houston won the series opener 100-88
Monday night.
	The fans went to police after the game and demanded charges be
filed. The case was assigned to a detective in the department's
homicide squad.
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    He may need to sell the Jazz name to pay his legal fees.

From USA Today:

	JURISPRUDENCE: Former major league baseball
	player Willie Mays Aiken was charged with attempting to 
	bribe an official administering a court-ordered drug 
	urinalysis. Aiken was charged Tuesday with offering $100 to an 
	official of Catholic Charities of Kansas City-St. Joseph, Inc., 
	which monitors defendants awaiting trial. 

Let's see, now: you got a movie reference - didn't Wesley Snipes play 
him in the original "Major League"; you got the Notre Dame connection -
Catholics on the take; you got help for that new job - a reference for
where you might wanna go for pee test.

TTom

    He was Willie Mays Hayes, not Aikens...
    

    OJ Simpson is being questioned by police for a recent double homicide
    in Brentwood, CA involving his ex-wife and a friend.

>    OJ Simpson is being questioned by police for a recent double homicide
>    in Brentwood, CA involving his ex-wife and a friend.

Heard on the radio that a bloody glove was found at OJ's place.....

	The radio report I heard also said that there were brown/red spots
on OJ's driveway. They are going to take samples to determine if the spots
are blood. Wouldn't want to be in OJ's shoes.

Ron

I just called Leary's house.  His answer machine messages goes:


		Hi, this is Mike, I can't come to the phone right
		now because, I'm uh, disposing of some stuff that uh,
		needs to be disposed of....   But that'll teach OJ....
		Call back later when I've got these bloody things
		cleaned up, and we'll talk about drinking
		Bushmills.....(hic)....BEEEEEEEPPPPPP

Do you think there is anything signifcant there?

    Yeah it sounds like OJ is in a world of trouble.  The bloody glove
    found at his Brentwood mansion matches a glove found at the scene.  His
    ex and her boyfriend were stabbed to death while their kids were asleep
    (I think they're OJ's kids).  

    As some of us know, MikeL did head out west last week, ostensibly to
    "vacation in Yellowstone", or so he said...
    
    glenn
    

    
    
     Yeah, I think what tipped the coppers was OJ running through
    the airport, but there weren't no film crews.
    
    

    MikeL went to visit Yogi and Boo-Boo?!

You see, I'm glad I wasn't the one to start the tasteless thang about the 
Leary/OJ connection.  That is, I'm glad to count on youze guys to do it...

I just told Leary I *knew* it was him and he'd better come clean and
'fess up -- at least to us in sports.  We'd never turn in one of our own.

But you know, I could see Leary in a similar situation to that other
famous Irishman, Jimmy Cagney:


	"Lookit me, Ma!  I'm on toppa da woild!  Da toppa da woild!"



'Saw

    
    
    	Yabbut I'd betcha that Doug Flutie never beat HIS wife!!!!!
    
    I remain,
    Kev_for_JD
    

    OJ's lawyer has withdrawn from his case due to other obligations. 
    Daryll Strawberry's lawyer is taking over for OJ.

    re .514
    
    Oh great, he'll get off on the murder charge but have to spend 6 months
    in some kind of rehab.
    
    JaKe
    

    
    
    	Yabbut since the NFL note's turned into "The Justice File", I
    figger turnaround's fair play.    ;^)
    
    Nexted Friday starts the Pat's training camp at Bryant College in
    Smithfield, RI.  Both veterans and rookies.
    
    I thought I heard that the Raiders open up their camp on Sunday.
    
    I remain,
    also thinkin the Pat's 1st game is Aug 17 ?
    Kev
    

	Kev, the Pat's first home game is August 5 @8pm vs New Orleans.
	This is a friday night game.


	billl

    
    
    	Yabbut ya think Bledsoe will start?
    
    
    <grins>
    
    

Move it over to NFL.  

I'll try to have the OJ stuff moved over here.....

    
    
    	Yabbut about 2 years ago I had to travel to Nude Hampster,
    someplace around Salem and the road I took had a "chain gang" kind of
    group doing "litter patrol".
    
    Think there were ~10 in convict garb and 2 uniforms (carrying rifles).
    
    I remain,
    Kev
    

Prisoners doing work is not unusual.  If you've ever driven by MCI Concord (MA)
you will notice fields being worked by the prisoners.  I think the key is that 
Concord is medium security.

=Bob=

    Speakin' o' MCI Concord, that's where Fr. Porter
    currently resides.  They say he plays checkers
    daily with Meinholz.
    dr.a
    

>    daily with Meinholz.


Meinholz sounds familiar....can't place him though.....    

    I thought DNA tests would take a few more weeks to get done.
    
    Also multiply .0043 by a larger population than LA; I mean if someone
    else did it they could have been from anywhere and not necessarily from
    LA.
    
    re: voting rights
    
    yabbut Glenn, PA probably was not one of the states that limited who
    could vote; most likely happened in the Southern states.
    
    The Crazy Met
    
    

RE   work programs.

  M.C.I. Concord is a low security facility that has mostly non-violent
offenders like drug addicts, shop lifters, etc. The few dangerous people they
may have would probably not be out on these details. 

  By contrast, I rather doubt that you would find the "father rapers and mother
stabbers" from Cedar Junction (Walpole) out on a work detail. If you did, it
would be trustees and it would be for political reasons, not at all cost
justified. 

  I grew up on a farm and we used to deliver potatoes to these places. When my
cousin and I made a delivery to M.C.I. Concord I'd often work alone in the back
of the truck with the inmates while a guard slept on a pile of bags in the
warehouse. The warehouse was outside of the fenced in area (or at least the
gate was opened). 

  By contrast, only my father delivered to Walpole, my cousin and I never went.
He'd drive in through one gate, guards would pour over and under the truck,
then they'd open the inner gate and he'd go inside. He remained in the cab
while 2 inmates guarded by two guys armed to the teeth unloaded the produce. On
the way out, the truck stopped between the gates and was searched once again. 

  The more dangerous criminals are not the type of guys you want on work
details. They are the guys you want to bury in the deepest hole you can find
and never let them see the light of day. As for the other guys, the ones I
worked with in the back of the truck, we'd save a ton of money by releasing
half of them on parole restricting their movements with electronic bracelets
and the other half could probably walk with little danger to society. 

  In any case, the number of both type are going up and it's not at all clear
that the rules of evidence are making it too difficult for prosecutors to get
convictions. And least we all go broke, the last thing we need is to put more
people into jail. 

  George

    I thought MCI Concord was *medium* security?
    
    Mark.

  Did anyone else hear about the sheriff somewhere in Arizona that organized
  a posse ? Evidently, there wus a lot of crime in his county and he dug up
  some long forgotten law that allowed a sheriff to ask fer unpaid volunteers 
  to become members of his posse. He got hundreds of volunteers, did
  background checks and provided training. He put them in parking garages
  where car jackings were taking place and made them very visible in other 
  high crime locations. No only this, but, you know how most county jails
  are overcrowded and they end up letting a lot of the creeps out early. Well,
  he claimed he was elected to uphold the law and provide public safety from
  known criminals. So instead of letting em go, he put up a bunch of tents
  out in the desert and now the inmates get to stay out there without air 
  conditioning and have to use an outhouse. Also, inmates don't get to watch 
  TeaVee or smoke or eat desert unless they do the work which is assigned to 
  em. He's doing all of this on the same budget as his predecessor and guess 
  what ? Crime is going down in his county by a significant margin. Jail is 
  not a fun place to be in his county. Can you imagine that ? 

>  In any case, the number of both type are going up and it's not at all clear
>that the rules of evidence are making it too difficult for prosecutors to get
>convictions. And least we all go broke, the last thing we need is to put more
>people into jail. 

  I'll agree with you that it's in our best interest to try to find a way
  for non-violent first time offenders to get back into society as quickly 
  as possible. At the same time, they must be punished so that they understand
  that certain actions will not be tolerated.. Also, we don't want to fill 
  our prisons with people busted for shoplifting or puffin on some weed. But 
  when you've got people who have arrest records 3 or 4 pages long, it's too 
  costly to put them back on the streets. I've had first hand experience 
  dealing with a couple of jerks that fit that description and 
  you just won't believe the wreckage that they leave behind. I actually 
  believe that the detectives spent more hours investigating those creeps 
  than they ever spent behind bars. And in another 6 months they probably 
  get to do it all over again. For the past 30 years or so, we've tried the 
  policy of continually letting repeat offenders free and guess what, these 
  guys actually end up thinking that crime pays. And as a result, what do we
  get ? More crime.

	Keith

    
    Sorry to bust yer bubble, Kieth, but that story is getting blown WAY
    out of proportion.  The Sheriff's Posse has always been formed here. 
    My wife's aunt is a member, AAMOF.  In general they are a bunch of fat
    overweight policemen wannabes, who couldn't qualify to be real cops. 
    
    Sheriff Joe is getting credit for doing stuff that has been done by
    precding SHeriffs, who just didn't have as good a publicity agent. 
    He's started to have these guys show up where the hookers hang out, and
    the hookers left for the few days they were there.  Now he's got them
    in some of the gang infested areas.  It'll look good until one of these
    overweight dorks on horseback gets clipped in a drive-by, and everyone
    will wonder why they had such poorly trained people on the street.
    
    brews

  I heard the guy on a radio talk show so it wouldn't totally surprise
  me that he's after publicity. I don't doubt that some of em are
  "fat overweight policemen wannabes". But just puttin a couple of guys
  in uniform in a high crime area might make the bad guys think twice before
  wrecking havoc. Any inside word on the tent jail ? Is it for real ?
  Is the ACLU tryin to shut it down. ?

	Keith

    Ah, the good old ACLU, which stands fer, now take yer pick of one of
    the following, but it stands fer both at different times:
    
    1).  ACLU=    All Criminals Love Us
                  -   -         -    -
    
    2).  ACLU=    Anti-Christian Lawyers Union
                  -    -         -       -
    
    So, they fight against "cruel and unusual punishment".  Well, what the
    hell is it when some sick bastard rapes and strangles or beats to death
    another human being????
    
    I say bring back public lynching.  Some sicko's found guilty, string
    him up in the town center the next morning, or get 4 horses and draw
    and quarter the useless scumbag.  Don't send him to the country club to
    "get rehabilitated", which we all know never happens.
    
    I was reading somewhere back a couple of years, cain't remember where I
    read it though, that many of the "repeat" criminals do more crime to
    get sent back into the prison system, cause they cain't survive on the
    outside.  In the joint, they get 3 hots and a cot, plus all the TV they
    want, recreation(running from Bubba when he's horny), libraries which
    rival the finest of public libraries.  And they have the balls to
    "complain" about conditions, when they're supposed to be in there for
    "punishment."
    
    Hell, we have people out in society who are making minimum wage trying
    to raise a family who'd love to have at their disposal what these
    "inmates" have.
    
    It's time to get rough and tough on the criminals.  Hell, the death
    penalty was really a deterrent at one time, but nowadays, a criminal
    knows that if they kill someone, and get found guilty, they have at
    least 14 years to live whilst their appeals are fought out, and then,
    there's little chance they'll actually get put to death.
    
    Give em one appeal, straight to the Supreme Court, and if that's struck
    down, nuke em on Donahue the nexted day.
    
    (As he steps down off his soapbox)
    
    
    JaKe
    

    JaKe,
    
    I'm mighty glad that it is very unlikely that you will ever be in
    charge of our judicial system.
    
    'nuf said.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    The money Wasted on the VIOLENT Criminals is disgusting..
    
    Here's one thing we can do, have a vote for the Death Penalty, everyone
    who votes for it is over taxed to directly pay for all the criminals in
    jail serving a life sentance, you want them alive you pay for them. And
    the Death Penalty itself is a joke, it takes too long, if convicted
    give them 3 months in jail before the sentance is carried out or they can
    appeal, appeal goes directly to a HIGHER COURT, one shot deal if
    convicted fry them the next day.  Why spend 10 years and millions of
    out dollers (Again this is for the obviously guilty).  
    
    I have no idea why inmates get it soo good, eat better then the average
    american, better living conditions and more facilities to use (Library,
    Weight Room's, Pools, some even have tennis courts).
    
    How we ever started letting criminals live better then the aveage joe
    I will never understand but they should put a stop to it.  Of course I
    think people on welfare should get cable tv either, I know folks on
    welfare payint $70+ per month to get max cable and I have basic only..
    (Sour Grapes) maybe, but In a way Im paying for them so I should have
    sour grapes....
    
    The Criminal/jail system su*ks, the Welfare system s$ck, and a HIGH
    percentage of our elected officials SU$k, I dont think I'll see any of
    it change anytime real soon, I just wish my kids had a better world to
    grow up in...
    
    								MaB

    
    Yea they do have the tent jails here.  I remember a few years ago,
    right after I moved back here (before Sheriff Joe) there was a big
    to-do about the tent jails.  That was when we were having those 120
    degree days.  THe ACLU was whining that all these poor folks had was
    "swamp coolers" (evaporative coolers that blow moist air through
    ducts, and do a pretty good job of cooling buildings off, as long as
    there isn't a lot of humidity).  The ACLU was saying that it was
    inhumane not to have these people in a building where they had real AC
    when it was that hot.  Well, I was living at my in-laws, waiting for my
    house in Cal. to sell, and all we had was a swamp cooler.  I wasn't
    whining about how inhumane it was (and these cons didn't have to live
    with my m-i-l).
    
    brews

    
    
        Guys, SOAPBOX is down the hall second door on your left.

>    
>        Guys, SOAPBOX is down the hall second door on your left.
>

Agreed......

    Im a little confused here, my wife said something about during cross
    examination one of the officers or someone stated that the 3rd blood
    type found at the scene that didnt match either victim may have been
    older then the victims blood ? Is this true and if so what if anything
    is gained by testing this blood etc ? if they cant prove that the blood
    was from the same time frame ?
    
    								MairB

  I'm not sure if this is the same as what that was referring to, but the
defense is contending that the fact that O.J.'s blood was found at the scene is
no big deal because he often went over there to visit his kids and on some
occasion or other he cut himself and left blood. 

  There was conflicting testimony over the age of some of the blood samples. 

  The trial could be sooner than anyone expected. Under California law a
defendant's 6th amendment "right to a speedy trial" is interpreted as meaning
that he has the right to go to trial within 60 days of the indictment. Shapiro
has said that he wants the early trial and DDA Marcia Clark says the state will
be ready. 

  Most pundits feel that they will both back off and the trial won't be until
next spring at the earliest. 

RE Wild West Justice

  I'm still waiting for someone to say that even if they were the one that was
falsely accused of a crime they'd still be in favor of a quick and painful
execution.

  George

    -2 sure that would be me, becuase being accussed and being found guilty
    beyound resonable doubt is totaly different.
    
    At this point Id say no way I could sentance OJ to death with the facts
    found to date.  If they could prove that his blood was from that same
    night Id be closer to convicting him but not of 1st degree with special
    circumstances.  Just buying a knife does not prove he planned it, and
    even if he went over there with gloves/hat and knife in pocket that 
    still doesnt prove beyound resonable doubt that he planned it, isnt
    that what murder 1 is ?
    
    I wouldnt really care how they changed the justice system/jails as long
    as they were at least trying.  Hey I dont want to pay for all these
    criminals to live better then the average folk, no way should they live
    better then even low income families, its a joke.
    
    Cable TV (Any TV) should be consider a privledge, use of gyms/pools etc
    is too extreme if you ask me.  I was watching one of those news shows,
    dont recall which one (20/20 primtime something another).  They were
    talking about how these violent criminals committ a crime go to jail at
    140lbs and skinny and come out over 200 and bulked up big time...
    
    They said were growing bigger/stronger/faster criminals in every jail
    accross the country, a perfect breed of Violent Criminals that can now
    outfight and outrun the average cop... Great Idea...
    
    								MairB

  I think you've been watching a little too much Rush Lamebrain. What you guys
are saying pretty much sums up the more common right wing scare tactics but as
with most of that stuff it bears little resemblance to reality. 

  O.J. and Eric Menendez are in the better accommodations at the L.A. County
jail hospital unit. They are kept in a cell with no windows in isolation from
everyone else with about 2 hours of TV and personal phone calls a day IF they
are on good behavior. Without that, there's nothing to take away to provide
incentive for prisoners to follow the rules.

  Lyle Menendez stays in a regular cell next to the shower with one bare
lightbulb and a rather strong odor from the water standing on the shower floor.
At least that's what Court TV reported. 

  Also prison rape is a regular occurrence and murder and assault are very
common. Now that may sound like fun to you but it sure doesn't sound like a day
in the park to me. 

  George

    
>>RE Wild West Justice

>>  I'm still waiting for someone to say that even if they were the one that was
>>falsely accused of a crime they'd still be in favor of a quick and painful
>>execution.

>>  George
    
    Well George, if you was the one falsely accused, we may still vote fer
    quick and painful execution, ESPECIALLY if there was a winter Olympics
    coming up and we was afraid of more of yer skating tirades.
    
    (8^)*
    
    JaKe
    

 inmates certainly don't eat better than the average joe. The weights
 are there for them to have something to do other than beat and rape one
 another. Most reform is a joke and the best reform would be some serious
 drug education as drugs and alchol account for better than 50% of the
 crimes that put these men and women away. 

 anyways the best one I heard about OJ so far was that the waiter/model
 was a drug dealer who was into the mafia for so much cash that they bumped
 him off. OJ's wife being a witness also had to be taken out. Then they
 decide to frame OJ.......

 no matter what the crime is or where it's committed, you know somebody's
 going to blame the mafia........

 mike

> anyways the best one I heard about OJ so far was that the waiter/model
> was a drug dealer who was into the mafia for so much cash that they bumped
> him off. OJ's wife being a witness also had to be taken out. Then they
> decide to frame OJ.......
>
> no matter what the crime is or where it's committed, you know somebody's
> going to blame the mafia........

If what I heard about Stud Goldman's wounds were correct, it would fit.

If what i heard about Goldman's wounds was correct, they were done by
someone who knows how to kill and has been trained to kill.

The Mafia is Cool.....8^)

    
    
       Contrary to what Craze may say, I do have something to
      complain about (Don't I always? Of course, I do). Ideally
      the television coverage of the OJ Simpson hearing and soon-
      to-be full blown trial is to give us all a glimpse into how
      justice is wrought in this country. Most of us haven't really
      seen how the wheel of justice turn. And if it is the mission
      of the television coverage to do more than titillate then why 
      the constant shots of Nicole's beautiful sister? The answer, of
      course, is that it's what people want to see. American people 
      aren't watching the proceedings to view "justice in action" 
      anymore than they're tuning in to the World Cup to watch soccer. 
      We want a spectacle. The bigger the better. "Cut to the goodlooking
      gal. Let's hear a little about the gore. Let's see the defense
      and the prosecutor at each others throats." Coming soon -
      The OJ Channel!

    
>      anymore than they're tuning in to the World Cup to watch soccer. 
>      We want a spectacle. The bigger the better. "Cut to the goodlooking
>      gal. Let's hear a little about the gore.
    
    I haven't seen much of this gore or these good-looking gals with the 
    World Cup.  I think that's reserved for the South American tourneys
    (on both counts...)
    
    On the other hand, Sweden's star Martin Dahlin could be OJ Simpson's
    brother.  Rarely do you see a "separated at birth" any better than that
    one.
    
    Beats the heck out of Court TV...
    
    
    glenn
    

I'm going to start looking for the spanish reporting.  I was one of the
reporters last night from South American TV (Vicky Guttierez) and even
though I don't understand much spanish, I sure could watch her all day....

'Saw

|        <<< Note 65.545 by CAMONE::WAY "Put some hope in your rope" >>>
|
|I'm going to start looking for the spanish reporting.  I was one of the
|                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|reporters last night from South American TV (Vicky Guttierez) and even
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|though I don't understand much spanish, I sure could watch her all day....
|
|'Saw

	'Saw, either that's a typo or you're a cross dresser or worse!
	Which is it?

	Kevin

>|I'm going to start looking for the spanish reporting.  I was one of the
>|                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|reporters last night from South American TV (Vicky Guttierez) and even
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>	'Saw, either that's a typo or you're a cross dresser or worse!
>>	Which is it?

Ouch!

Major league typo there.  I intended to say saw, but it came out was.
Guess I'd just better chop off the last two fingers of my left hand
for screwing that one up.....


'Was  8^)

	Rudy Tomjonavich (sp?) under arrest in Houston.  Picked up for DUI,
	refused breathalyzer test, carted off to the pokey.

	Kevin

>
>	Rudy Tomjonavich (sp?) under arrest in Houston.  Picked up for DUI,
>	refused breathalyzer test, carted off to the pokey.

Quick, let's get Court TV out there!  8^)

    
  > I haven't seen much of this gore or these good-looking gals with the 
  > World Cup.  I think that's reserved for the South American tourneys
  > (on both counts...)
   
    I realize that you're half kidding but even in that article where
    Bob Ryan supposedly did an about face on the game of soccer (he 
    didn't really), I don't remember him saying anything about enjoying
    the game that really wasn't related to the things happening in the 
    stands - the atmosphere of the Cup. In short - the spectacle. That
    ratings are stagnant and even declining as the Cup progresses and
    the games gain in importance is a sign that Americans really were
    tuning in for the pageantry of the Cup and not soccer itself and are
    now tiring of both.
    
    

  ... or they were tuning in because team U.S.A. was still playing and lost
interest once they lost to Brazil.

  In the Olympics U.S. TV ratings are usually higher for sports in which
U.S. athletes are in contention. Same probably happens here.

  George

    
>   That ratings are stagnant and even declining as the Cup progresses and
>   the games gain in importance is a sign that Americans really were
>   tuning in for the pageantry of the Cup and not soccer itself and are
>   now tiring of both.                                           
    
    Not that I really care, but again, national ratings in the 5s for
    each of three similar sporting events (an audience splitter) over 
    one weekend on afternoons in the middle of the summer really are 
    quite good.  The decline is only there from the USA games, which is 
    no surprise.  
    
    glenn
    

    As a matter of fact, Ryan did admit on The Sports Reporters last week
    that he had been wrong about soccer, that the games for the most part
    had been hugely entertaining, and while he has serious doubts about
    whether soccer will succeed as a major professional sport in the US,
    he has enjoyed the World Cup immensely.
    
    NAZZ

	Derrick Coleman being questioned for possible rape.

	Kevin

Fresh on the heels of the indictments on Strawberry, the investigation
into athletes hiding income from autographs continues.

The latest possible target is Joe Montana, who is rumored to be under
investigation concerning a private session for convicted tax-evader,
Michael Bertolini. Supposedly, Montana was paid 42K for signing 1200
footballs.

Montana's agent says that Joe declared the income and paid taxes on it.
Further, neither he nor Joe have been contacted by the feds.

TTom

    
    	I'm not sure if a professional athlete like Joe Montana. Actually
    reads his tax returns and actually signs them. I think the feds should
    be investigating the agents. You think at the end of the year. Joe
    remembers if he signed 1200 footballs or 1500? This is why Joe has
    an agent. To keep track of how much he makes and do his taxes.
    	The same thing in Baseball. Does Darryl Strawberry know that he
    signed 2000 autographs at a card show? Or did he sign 2500?

In the case of Strawberry, the agent was busted as well.

The Montana story is a_allegation and the full facks of the case will
have to be seen.

TTom

Either Strawberry's case was blatent, or the Feds had something else
in mind that they knew wouldn't stick.  Seems like they had him dead 
to rights when they came out with the charges.

=Bob=

  Everyone's responsible for their taxes. Do you think that you would get off
easy if you told the Feds that you made a mistake on your taxes because you
were so busy working at DEC and holding down a 2nd job? 

  If athletes are too busy to keep track of their taxes, the best bet would be
for them to incorporate, have their accountant keep track of their company's
income, then take out money in the form of a dividend. That way they would only
have one item on their personal tax return for all those extra appearances. 

  If there there was a mistake, they still might be in some trouble but it
wouldn't be as bad. At the very least, it would be easier to blame their
accountant.

  George

    re .556:
    
    But it's Montana's Tax ID number (Social Security Number) on the tax
    return.  Not the agents.
    
    I agree with George in -.1.
    
    Mark.

At least in the case of Strawberry, it seems that the Feds have gone way
past any case of ol' Darryl forgetting to pay or making a mistake,
miscalculation, or the like.

Kinda reminds me of that schtick Steve Martin did on how to make a
million and not pay taxes: first get a million dollars; then tell 'em you
forgot.

TTom

Miami Heat mascot, Wes Lockard, was fine $300 after being found guilty of
a misdemeanor charge of aggravated battery from a_incident at
a_exhibition game in Puerto Rico on October 23.

Lockard is "Burnie" the Heat's team mascot. He dragged a spectator from
her seat. The women, who didnt' want to go, claimed she was bruised in
her arms and Lockard broke her purse.

Lockard claimed he only wanted her to dance with him. Obviously, this
defense was unsuccessful.

TTom

    Heard this on the radio on the way to work this morning...
    
    When asked why he did it, the 28 year old father said he was just
    trying to be a cool dad.  He was arrested for procuring the services
    of a stripper for his 12 year old son's birthday.  The 'dancer'
    performed for the birthday boy and two of his friends.
    
    The way he got caught was equally bizzarre.  The photo lab developing
    the pictures taken by the dad called the authorities.
    
    
    billl

>>  When asked why he did it, the 28 year old father said he was just
>>  trying to be a cool dad.  He was arrested for procuring the services
>>  of a stripper for his 12 year old son's birthday.  The 'dancer'
    
    28 - 12 = 16 years old at fatherhood. Probably a family tradition.

It seems some people are taking this Super Bowl thing way too serious.

Yesterday, in San Francisco, a gunman started shooting into a group of
Niner fans, killing one and seriously wounding another.

Supposedly, the guy walked up to this group of several men and asked if
they were niners fan. When they said yes, he opened up. One man was shot
through the head and died and another man is still in serious condition
with 3 gunshot wounds.

I wonder what the guy woulda done if'n they said they were Cowboys fans?

TTom

    
   > I wonder what the guy woulda done if'n they said they were Cowboys
   > fans?
    
    Better to have said   "Howdy partner"

  If they were cowboys fans, they probably would have returned fire taking
half of San Francisco with them.

  George

probably was a cowboy fan so he'd have asked them to swap spit.........

The Birmingham News is reporting that Alabama is in negotiation with the
NCAA over sanctions expected to be given them for the cases involving
Gene Jelks and Antonio Langham.

Jelks claims he was paid by and through the coaching staff. Bama has
vigorously denied these allocations but now it seems as though they're
accepting Jelks' side of the story.

Langham signed with a_agent while still at Bama.

The school is proposing a loss of 4 scholarships.

TTom

Dexter Manly is reportedly headed to a psychiatric hospital after being
busted three times for drugs in the lasted 4 months. Manley will be
arraigned Martch 3 at which time his lawyer will petition for
a_involuntary psychiatric commitment to a county hospital.

Manley was banned for life from the NFL in 89 after failing his 4th drug
test.

TTom

Couple of items:

Mark Duper is in court fightin a cocaine possession and conspiracy beef.
His defense seems to be he was stupid, strung out, and otherwise unable
to deal with reality. That ol' victim type defense thang. The feds claim
he was in on a scam to make $300K.

Also, Jeff Gilooly is now Jeff Stone. He won a petition to change his
name for obvious reasons. Several people challenged this including Paul
Peterson who played Jeff Stone on _The Donna Reed Show_.

TTom

I wonder if former Phillie and Red Sox outfielder Jeff Stone is
also indignant?

>
>I wonder if former Phillie and Red Sox outfielder Jeff Stone is
>also indignant?
>

I'd be if I just got "giloolied"

    CURRENT Phillie outfielder Jeff Stone is not happy with his new
    namesake.
    
    Dennis Faust
    

But now, do we know which Jeff Stone is the current Phillie outfielder?

"Today in Philadelphia, the Cardinals replacement pitcher could not start after
 being struck on the knee by a mystery attacker..."

Looks like the Reggie Lewis situation is getting nastier.

Supposed friend, and former teammate, of Reggie, Derrick Lewis (no
relation) says that he used cocaine several times with Reggie, including
5 days before Reggie collapsed during a playoff game against the Hornets
2 years ago.

The Wall Street Journal, which started the current afair, reports that
Derrick Lewis describes Reggie as "an experimental user of cocaine like a
lot of people." Further, Derrick Lewis claims to have knowledge that
Reggie and Len Bias used cocaine together at a Red Aurbach basketball
clinic.

FWIW, Derrick Lewis has a history of being involved with drugs and drug
related crimes.

This comes on top of conflicting reports from Northeastern concerning
Reggie testing positive for cocaine.

And meanwhile, apparently, the Celtics will proceed with their intentions 
to retire Reggie's No. 35 jersey.

TTom

  Today in the Boston Globe I saw a report in which Derrick Lewis was claiming
to have used cocaine along with a group that included Reggie Lewis, Len Bias,
and one other who went unnamed.

  I wonder, is Derrick Lewis making his bid for his 15 minutes of fame and
the accompanying book rights, or is he an honest guy who has decided to come
clean?

  George

    Last night on Channel 5 D Lewis told Mike Lynch that Jackie Mac. lied
    about what he told her. I seriously doubt Jackie would lie but then
    what does this say about D Lewis.
    
    Mike

  Boston's WBZ Ch 4 said last night that Derrick Lewis has changed his story
again and now says that he did not do Coke with Reggie. They said that's the
2nd time he changed his story. First he said he didn't, then he said he did,
now he's back to didn't again.

  I wonder what ever happened to the slogan "rest in peace". Seems they should
let the thing drop.

  George