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29.1 | AFC & NFC ? | AIMHI::SMILLER | | Tue Jan 12 1993 16:03 | 5 |
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Does anyone have the lines for the AFC & NFC championships this
weekend?
steve
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29.2 | rules o' The Line | HBAHBA::HAAS | A Log of Effort | Tue Jan 12 1993 17:01 | 9 |
| As the one who puts info in The Line, here's my disclaimier:
1. Most of the lines posted come without permission from USA Today and
are usually set by Danny Sheridan.
2. The lines posted here as a ::SPORTS noting stimulator and are not to
be used to break any applicable federal or state laws.
TTom
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29.3 | NFL Conference Playoffs | HBAHBA::HAAS | A Log of Effort | Tue Jan 12 1993 17:03 | 3 |
| Sunday:
buffalo 2 MIAMI
SAN FRANCISCO 4 dallas
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29.4 | NFL PLayoffs | HBAHBA::HAAS | A Log of Effort | Thu Jan 14 1993 11:31 | 15 |
29.5 | Early Super Bowl lines, odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | A Log of Effort | Tue Jan 19 1993 19:25 | 5 |
| Early Super Bowl numbers:
Dallas 7 Buffalo
over/under 45
odds: Dallas, 5:2
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29.6 | Super Bowl | HBAHBA::HAAS | A Log of Effort | Wed Jan 27 1993 14:50 | 5 |
29.7 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Wed Jan 27 1993 15:16 | 6 |
| I would love to be in Vegas and plunk down on those odds. Dallas
is better than a 2-1 favorite??????? I know that the idea is to
get the same amount of money on each side, but it boggles the mind
that they need to give 11-5 odds for that to happen.
The Crazy Met
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29.8 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | The Peter Principle in action | Wed Jan 27 1993 15:26 | 10 |
| >> I would love to be in Vegas and plunk down on those odds. Dallas
>> is better than a 2-1 favorite??????? I know that the idea is to
>> get the same amount of money on each side, but it boggles the mind
>> that they need to give 11-5 odds for that to happen.
TCM, you've got to figure that alot of Dallas fans are betting big
cash on the Cowboys' first trip back to the SB in a long time while
Buffalo fans having been disappointed twice in a row are more reluct-
ant to plunk down any cash on the Bills. Toss in the recent history
of NFC domination and 11:5 is probably about right.
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29.9 | spread movement says Buffalo | HBAHBA::HAAS | A Log of Effort | Thu Jan 28 1993 12:34 | 5 |
29.10 | NBA tonight | HBAHBA::HAAS | A Log of Effort | Wed Feb 03 1993 13:42 | 9 |
29.11 | Next Super Bowl odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | A Log of Effort | Wed Feb 03 1993 13:52 | 17 |
| Danny Sheridan's odds against winning the next Super Bowl.
Odds will be updated after free agency and draft.
Dallas 3:1 Detroit 1,000:1
San Francisco 5:1 Green Bay 1,000:1
Philadelphia 10:1 Indianapolis 2,000:1
Washington 10:1 Cleveland 2,500:1
San Diego 10:1 NY Giants 5,000:1
Houston 12:1 Atlanta 10,000:1
New Orleans 12:1 Chicago 25,000:1
Buffalo 15:1 LA Rams 100,000:1
Minnesota 50:1 NY Jets 100,000:1
Pittsburgh 50:1 Tampa Bay 250,000:1
Miami 75:1 Cincinnati 500,000:1
Kansas City 100:1 Seattle 1,000,000:1
Denver 250:1 Phoenix 5,000,000:1
LA Raiders 500:1 New England 10,000,000:1
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29.12 | Mets in '93 | METSNY::francus | Certified Member-Larry Bird Jihad | Wed Feb 03 1993 14:17 | 4 |
|
Can someone put a dollar down on the Pats??
The Crazy Met
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29.13 | | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabee | Wed Feb 03 1993 14:19 | 9 |
|
What's Sheridan's address? I'll take 10,000,000:1 but I'm
concerned about his financial ability to put his money
where his mouth is!
I remain,
a sucker for a dollar bet I guess.
Kev
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29.14 | gotta go there | HBAHBA::HAAS | A Log of Effort | Wed Feb 03 1993 14:27 | 8 |
| Hey, the guy who sets the line ain't necessarily the guy taking the bets.
Danny don't book the games, he just puts out the number.
But for anyone interested, you can go to Las Vegas and place this wager
rigtht now. Hail, you're gonna win $10 mil so the air fare, etc., should
be worth the investment ;-).
TTom
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29.15 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | The Peter Principle in action | Wed Feb 03 1993 14:32 | 2 |
|
I'm a Pats fan but I think 10,000 to 1 is being kind.
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29.16 | make that 10 *MILLION* to 1 | HBAHBA::HAAS | A Log of Effort | Wed Feb 03 1993 14:36 | 0 |
29.17 | Emily Latella speaks | MSBCS::BRYDIE | The Peter Principle in action | Wed Feb 03 1993 14:41 | 2 |
|
Oh, never mind.
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29.18 | NCAAs line's | HBAHBA::HAAS | Nanook Wannabe | Fri Mar 19 1993 13:52 | 26 |
29.19 | Regional | HBAHBA::HAAS | Nanook Wannabe | Tue Mar 23 1993 17:34 | 17 |
29.20 | It's do or die time | MKFSA::LONG | I got friends in low places | Tue Mar 23 1993 18:03 | 4 |
| The 'dogs are barkin' in the East.
Billl
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29.21 | NCAA, NIT | HBAHBA::HAAS | Obelisk of Objective Observation | Wed Mar 31 1993 13:15 | 20 |
29.22 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Disoriented Wandering Adult | Tue Apr 20 1993 14:08 | 9 |
29.23 | | METSNY::francus | ABP | Tue Apr 20 1993 14:54 | 6 |
| Miami and NY are even? Haven't the Knicks won all 4 games this season, and
Miami is out of the playoffs?? If the line is meant to make people bet equally
this doesn't look like it makes sense. I know, now watch Miami win
tonight :-(
The Crazy Met
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29.24 | seen stranger | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Tue Apr 20 1993 15:11 | 9 |
| TCM,
This is an early line that Danny Sheridan puts out in the USA Today. By
game time, I'd be surprised if'n the final line had the Knicks favored.
Maybe this line is a result of people worrying about whether or not Doc
Rivers will be able to matchup with the Heat. The thinnking may be that
he won't be able to find a Miami player to stomp on his haid. ;-).
TTom
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29.25 | odds on the NBA championship | FRETZ::HEISER | debt free | Wed Apr 28 1993 16:42 | 5 |
| Los Wages has spoken:
Phoenix 2-1
New York 7-2
Chicago 7-2
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29.26 | First round, NBA playoffs | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Wed Apr 28 1993 18:09 | 13 |
29.27 | too bad no gambling allowed :-) | METSNY::francus | ABP | Wed Apr 28 1993 18:29 | 6 |
|
> PHOENIX 14 la lakers
wow! I can't recall a line like that in a long time.
The Crazy Met
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29.28 | NBA firsted round, tonight | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Tue May 04 1993 17:30 | 4 |
29.29 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Wed May 05 1993 14:04 | 4 |
29.30 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Fri May 07 1993 14:08 | 6 |
29.31 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Mon May 10 1993 16:47 | 5 |
29.32 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Tue May 11 1993 14:38 | 10 |
29.33 | | 3335::francus | ABP | Tue May 11 1993 14:41 | 4 |
|
Are those odds for the game or the series??
The Crazy Met
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29.34 | series | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Tue May 11 1993 14:55 | 0 |
29.35 | | 3335::francus | ABP | Tue May 11 1993 16:49 | 5 |
|
Heck anyone going out to Vegas??I'll take the Spurs with 5-1 odds. They
have to be kindding!
The Crazy Met
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29.36 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Fri May 14 1993 14:15 | 5 |
29.37 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Mon May 17 1993 15:34 | 2 |
| Tonight:
CLEVELAND 2 chicago
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29.38 | | 3335::francus | Mets in '93 | Mon May 17 1993 15:38 | 7 |
|
> CLEVELAND 2 chicago
That has to be the JOKEfor the day. ha ha ha
I needed a good laugh.
The Crazy Met
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29.39 | maybe it's a sucker bet | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Mon May 17 1993 15:54 | 8 |
| TCM,
I couldn't agree more on this. I can seen maybe a pick 'em but I don't
know how Danny Sheridan came up with this one. Jordan has shown that he
doesn't need two good hands to dominate the Cavs but his injury is the
only possible way to explain this.
TTom
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29.40 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Mon May 17 1993 16:01 | 1 |
| Maybe Hal put his lifesavings on the line...
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29.41 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | The Peter Principle in action | Mon May 17 1993 16:03 | 4 |
|
>> Maybe Hal put his lifesavings on the line...
Ayuh, that's a rib tickler!
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29.42 | Suckers' line? | CNTROL::CHILDS | And there you had it... | Mon May 17 1993 16:26 | 3 |
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29.43 | could be | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Mon May 17 1993 17:39 | 14 |
| > -< Suckers' line? >-
Sometimes a line looks so stupid that you get a feeling that it's wrong
on purpose.
Cleveland favored by 2 points may be a scam to get everyone to go with
Chicago when in fact they - the linesters - know something we don't.
I'm not saying this is the case. In fact, I'd like Cleveland minus 6
because I'd be convinced that this was really a sucker bet. Cleveland
minus the 2 really doesn't get it and most likely by game time, this line
will straighten itself out.
TTom
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29.44 | ...and Seattle-Suns | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Mon May 17 1993 17:45 | 2 |
| yet another series where the season series had no bearing (Cavs won it
3-2). The same should hold true for the Knicks and Bulls.
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29.45 | | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | Oxymoron:Clinton's Trust Fund | Mon May 17 1993 19:54 | 2 |
|
That line isn't the REAL line, is it? It's just Sheridan's, right?
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29.46 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Tue May 18 1993 13:45 | 7 |
29.47 | | 3335::francus | Mets in '93 | Tue May 18 1993 15:06 | 7 |
|
Some realistic lines for a change.
Though personally I would take Charlotte and give the 8 (if I were in Vegas
that is). Ditto on San Antonio.
The Crazy Met
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29.48 | dog | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Tue May 18 1993 15:21 | 4 |
| TCM if'n you take Charlotte you *GET* the points. However, I'd be
interested in the Knicks with Charlotte giving 8.
TTom
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29.49 | | 3335::francus | Mets in '93 | Tue May 18 1993 17:26 | 4 |
|
Yeah Igot it reversed. Charlotte and take the points is what Imeant.
The Crazy Met
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29.50 | Sports Betting in New Jersey.... | CAMONE::WAY | Hong Kong Cavalier Wannabe | Thu May 20 1993 14:08 | 61 |
| From: clarinews@clarinet.com (JUSTIN SUPON)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.misc,clari.news.gov.state,clari.local.new_jersey
Subject: Sports betting advancing in N.J. legislature
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TRENTON, N.J. (UPI) -- The New Jersey Assembly's powerful
Appropriations Committee defeated a proposed amendment Wednesday to
permit betting on professional sports.
In a rare move, Chairman Rodney Frelinghuysen, R-Morris, ignored
pleas from supporters to hold the measure and forced a vote after 3 1/2
hours of testimony. The measure failed 8-2.
But Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman William Gormley, R-Atlantic,
said the controversial amendment is far from dead. Gormley's committee
approved a similar Senate resolution Monday. His panel is to hold a
public hearing next week on the issue.
The resolution would amend the state Constitution to permit betting
at casinos on professional sports events. To get on the ballot in
November, the amendment must pass both houses of the state Legislature
with three-fifths majorities.
Congress adopted a law last year that bans sports betting throughout
the country except in those states where it becomes legal by Dec. 31,
1993.
Sports betting pits anti-gambling and youth groups, religious
organizations and prominent athletes against casinos and New Jersey's
state Chamber of Commerce.
A similar amendment that would have also allowed betting on college
sports, except for New Jersey teams, failed to win support last year.
Backers of sports betting hoped that removing colleges from the mix
would make sports betting more palatable.
The New Jersey Coalition to Ban State-Sponsored Sports Betting, an
umbrella group for bill opponents, says legalized betting coupled with
athlete worship by the young would result in more compulsive gambling
among teenagers.
Supporters say the measure is needed to keep New Jersey's casinos
competitive with gaming halls in other states. Nevada casinos now offer
sports betting.
Frelinghuysen said he forced a vote in part to make a statement
against New Jersey government's own addiction to gambling revenues.
``There is a tremendous dependence for a number of programs on
gambling revenue,'' said Frelinghuysen. ``I worry about that level of
dependence.''
Ed Looney, deputy director of the Council on Compulsive Gambling,
said the vote is a ``courageous, courageous move'' that clearly tells
bill advocates similar measures will be defeated in the Appropriations
Committee.
``It's only the head count of one committee,'' countered Gormley.
``It (the bill) is still moving.''
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29.51 | Sports Betting - my 2 cents | AKOCOA::BREEN | Or so the sages speak | Thu May 20 1993 16:24 | 29 |
| I am for sports betting since I am not into dogs/horse-racing and am
out of true gambling for the time being, eg the stock market.
First, how does NJ legalized gambling corrupt where Las Vegas
does not corrupt?
Second point. The major effort to defeat sports gambling is probably
from the lottery people themselves. Since people are dumb enough to donate to
lotteries why share those dollars with casinos.
Children. So these kids are going to get on buses and drive to Atlantic
City and bet on the Mets.
Okay, so what the good people are trying to prevent is my walking into
7/11 and playing a four team pro card along with my morning coffee because if
I lose I will call Parcells and ream him out.
btw, SI had a piece about Letts and Beebe rehashing the play where Don
knocked ball out of Lett's hand at 1 yard line. Not only Letts but Beebe too
have received junk mail from all the "square" players who missed $ because of
the play (I was gonna use the money to have my kid's teeth fixed, wah,wah,wah).
Or "If I lost money I would have had you shot" - this letter did get sent.
Back to Sports Betting issue...
As with everything else today, follow the bucks and you'll find the
motive... or find the most righteous dude and you'll usually find the biggest
phony.
oth-bill
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29.52 | otb | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabee | Thu May 20 1993 16:50 | 13 |
|
and Yabbut I heard on the radion today that here in Taxyshoottits
there's a thing going on in the capital to allow the Native 'Mericans
(them's the Indians, btw) to have Off-track betting on their
reservations.
Interesting comment was that only in places where you have OTB, is the
horsey racing industry healthy. I dunno if I believe that.
I remain,
ahead of the game in horsey betting!
Kev
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29.53 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | ANTI\Slash | Thu May 20 1993 16:50 | 5 |
| The real problem is that legalized gambling, if done right
would take away from the illegal kind. Organized crime in most states
have "law"makers in their back pockets.
/Don
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29.54 | | RUGBY1::way | Hong Kong Cavalier Wannabe | Thu May 20 1993 17:23 | 2 |
| Well, Slash, let's just say that the Mob has some "powerful" lobbyists,
if you get my drift......
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29.55 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Tue May 25 1993 17:15 | 2 |
| tonight:
NEW YORK 1 chicago
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29.56 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Thu May 27 1993 16:05 | 11 |
| Saturday:
CHICAGO 7 new york
Series odds:
New York 2:1
Odds to win NBA championship:
New York 7:5
Chicago 9:5
Phoenix 2:1
Seattle 8:1
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29.57 | | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Thu May 27 1993 16:12 | 2 |
| I guess those Westerner's (Vegas) still like Phoenix to take it all.
What are the Atlantic City odds?
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29.58 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | The Peter Principle in action | Thu May 27 1993 16:15 | 6 |
| >> I guess those Westerner's (Vegas) still like Phoenix to
>> take it all. What are the Atlantic City odds?
Read it again. Both New York and Chicago are favored over Phoenix.
If there were a third eastern team they'd probably be favored over
Phoenix, too.
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29.59 | about the same | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Thu May 27 1993 16:21 | 10 |
| > ... What are the Atlantic City odds?
I'll repost this tomorrow. If'n the line doesn't move after 24 hours,
than it will be close to most lines.
FWIW, most of the lines in the East are also set by Las Vegas. It's about
the only place you can call - legally - and get a line quote. The fact is
that almost all of the handicappers are in Las Vegas.
TTom
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29.60 | | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Thu May 27 1993 17:11 | 8 |
| >Odds to win NBA championship:
> New York 7:5
> Chicago 9:5
> Phoenix 2:1
> Seattle 8:1
Well I'm no gambler, and know as much about this as I do the intricacies
of the NBA salary cap, but why is 2:1 considered less than 7:5 or 9:5?
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29.61 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Thu May 27 1993 17:14 | 6 |
29.62 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Wonder who's cryin' now | Thu May 27 1993 17:17 | 6 |
| Wouldn't 2:1 be the same as 10:5, which would be higher than say, 7:5
or 9:5?
There are no Atlantic City odds, since they don't take sports bets, as
per the Jordan discussion.
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29.63 | several interpretations | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Thu May 27 1993 17:17 | 13 |
| Just compare the 2 numbers. 2-to-1 is the same as 10-to-5, making 9-to-5
more of a favorite.
Another way to look at is to reverse the numbers. 7-to-5 says that for
every 12 chances, this team will win 5 of them. 9-t0-5 translates to
winning 5 outta 14. 2-to-1, to normalize it, the team will win 5 outta
15.
It reading odds, you bet the right hand number to win the left hand
number. Bet 5 to win 7; bet 5 to win 9; bet 1 to win 2 or bet 5 to win
10. Looking at it this way, New York pays less than Chicago or Phoenix.
TTom
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29.64 | gambling 101 | MKFSA::LONG | You can blame mah heart | Thu May 27 1993 17:18 | 14 |
| re: .60
Wow, Mike, you're really showing your ignorance here. Does the term
ratio mean anything to you?
Just suppose you bet $5 on each team...
if the Nicks win you win $7
if the Bulls win you win $9
if the Suns win you win $10
if the Sonics win you win $16
hth
billl
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29.65 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | The Peter Principle in action | Thu May 27 1993 17:19 | 14 |
| >Odds to win NBA championship:
> New York 7:5
> Chicago 9:5
> Phoenix 2:1
> Seattle 8:1
>> Well I'm no gambler, and know as much about this as I do the intricacies
>> of the NBA salary cap, but why is 2:1 considered less than 7:5 or 9:5?
Think of it this way, Mike, 2:1 is the equivalent of 10:5. 7:5 and 9:5
are both less than 10:5. The lower the odds are, the greater the prob-
ability of the event taking place. Las Vegas has in essence made the
Knicks the favorites to win the title with the Bulls in second, Phoenix
in third and Seattle a distant fourth.
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29.66 | | ROYALT::ASHE | Wonder who's cryin' now | Thu May 27 1993 17:20 | 2 |
| Guess the east coast knows how to do odds...
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29.67 | because the east IS odd | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Thu May 27 1993 17:23 | 1 |
| that's why I moved out here.
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29.68 | for or against | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Thu May 27 1993 17:23 | 13 |
| I think we have the 2:1 vs 9:5 thang about settled.
A word of caution, however in interpreting odds. Be sure to note whether
you're betting the odds for something to happen or against something
happening.
Often when the odds become prohibitively stacked in favor of one of the
bets, they start quoting odd against the team. If, for instance, someone
quoted the odds as 1:12 for something to happen - risk 12 to win 1 - they
may switch the quote to 12:1 against that happening. I think it confuses
people to see a_odds like 1:12 but 12:1 looks normal.
TTom
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29.69 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Thu May 27 1993 17:30 | 9 |
|
The critical point here is that Phoenix is still considered a longer
shot than both Chicago and New York to win it all, even though it's
something of a certainty that they'll go to the finals. Chicago or New
York has to beat the other team just to get to Phoenix. Phoenix is
commanding very little respect...
glenn
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29.70 | | DECWET::METZGER | Imagine your logo here. | Thu May 27 1993 17:40 | 6 |
|
I don't think it's even close to a certainty that Phoenix will make it to the
finals...
Metz
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29.71 | | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Thu May 27 1993 17:41 | 5 |
| > York has to beat the other team just to get to Phoenix. Phoenix is
> commanding very little respect...
I wouldn't say that since they were the favorites up until round 2.
They've remained at 2:1 but the eastern teams had their odds elevated.
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29.72 | C'mon, Mike, you're not a long hike from Vegas... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Thu May 27 1993 17:47 | 14 |
|
>> York has to beat the other team just to get to Phoenix. Phoenix is
>> commanding very little respect...
>
> I wouldn't say that since they were the favorites up until round 2.
> They've remained at 2:1 but the eastern teams had their odds elevated.
Remaining at the same odds as you're advancing and other teams are
being eliminated is a clear loss of respect with the bettors. As you
advance your odds should be going down, since the prospects of an upset
in those rounds have been removed.
glenn
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29.73 | what about Seattle? | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Thu May 27 1993 18:01 | 5 |
| Relative to New York and Chicago, respect for the Suns is going down.
Does anyone know the original odds for Seattle?
TTom
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29.74 | rather go to southern Cal with the rest of the Zonies | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Thu May 27 1993 18:46 | 3 |
| > -< C'mon, Mike, you're not a long hike from Vegas... >-
lived here 12 of the last 13 years and still haven't been to Nevada.
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29.75 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Fri May 28 1993 14:38 | 10 |
29.76 | glad to see Phoenix is the underdog again | FRETZ::HEISER | raise your voice in shouts of joy | Fri May 28 1993 15:28 | 1 |
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29.77 | yes and no | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Fri May 28 1993 16:07 | 4 |
| Only for this game, Mike. They're still favored to win the series. To do
this they'll have to win a game at Seattle.
TTom
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29.78 | NBA, NHL, Boxing | HBAHBA::HAAS | not a real green dress, that's cruel | Mon Jun 07 1993 14:44 | 14 |
29.79 | updated NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Squid Trancer | Tue Jun 08 1993 13:29 | 5 |
| A little movement:
PHOENIX 2 chicago
over/under 205
series odds: Chicago, 2:1
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29.80 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Squid Trancer | Fri Jun 11 1993 13:34 | 7 |
29.81 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | "livin' for their whiskey, wine & gin" | Fri Jun 11 1993 13:42 | 7 |
|
9:2 with a game in hand? WOW!! That's got be based on mathematics cause I
doubt any sane book/bookie in the country would give you 9:2 on the Bulls..
Now I could see 9:2 on a sweep, but the series???
mike
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29.82 | has to be | HBAHBA::HAAS | Squid Trancer | Fri Jun 11 1993 15:13 | 9 |
| Mike, I don't get it either.
This looks like the odds "for" them winning. Usually they're posted
"against".
In either case, there's no way you going to get these odds, anywhere.
Chicago has to be the favorite. Period.
TTom
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29.83 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Fri Jun 11 1993 15:55 | 4 |
|
9:2 is high, but the 2-3-2 format probably magnifies the change in odds.
The Crazy Met
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29.84 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | "livin' for their whiskey, wine & gin" | Fri Jun 11 1993 17:09 | 7 |
| How so TCM?
Chicago has a game in hand, 3 out the next 4 games are at home and
they have Jordan and Pippen. At this point I would think that I would have
to pay lots of "juice" to make money. Atleast 1:2.....
Mike
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29.85 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Fri Jun 11 1993 17:35 | 6 |
|
I am reading 9:2 as Chicago being an overwhelming favorite though usually
the odds are against not for. If it is 9:2 in favor of Chicago winning
then it makes sense.
The Crazy Met
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29.86 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | "livin' for their whiskey, wine & gin" | Fri Jun 11 1993 17:44 | 2 |
|
ok....
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29.87 | Jordan will deliver tonite in a big way | STRATA::GARRY | Dallas Cowboys back where they belong #1 | Fri Jun 11 1993 17:54 | 9 |
| Mike ,
thta means that before game 1 you could have put up 100 to make 50
(2-1)
nmow you gotta put up 225 to make 50........its a steal at them odds
after tonite it'll be about 750 to make 50.....Bulls in 4.
Tom
|
29.88 | | SALEM::TIMMONS | A waist is a terrible thing to mind | Mon Jun 14 1993 10:51 | 3 |
| Gotta go at least 5 now.
Lee
|
29.89 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Squid Trancer | Tue Jun 15 1993 14:26 | 7 |
| Wednesday night:
CHICAGO 8 phoenix
over/under 209
Series odds:
Chicago 7:1 (sic)
|
29.90 | | CSC32::M_MACGREGOR | | Tue Jun 15 1993 14:57 | 5 |
|
Gotta love those bettors. Chicago loses a game and the odds to win the
series improve.
|
29.91 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Tue Jun 15 1993 15:17 | 7 |
| re: 90
You beat me to it. Imagine what the odds would be if Chicago had won.
After the loss in game 3 the bettors figure that no way the Bulls
let the Suns stay close in Chicago again. Yeah right.
The Crazy Met
|
29.92 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | The Peter Principle in action | Tue Jun 15 1993 15:21 | 4 |
|
Personally, if I could get the Suns with 7:1 odds I'd bet $100.
I don't think it's *that* far-fetched that they could pull it off
even if Mike Heiser does.
|
29.93 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '93 | Tue Jun 15 1993 15:27 | 5 |
|
If it was a 2-2-1-1-1 format I would bet $100 on the Suns with 7:1 odds.
But next 2 games are in Chicago.
The Crazy Met
|
29.94 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | The Peter Principle in action | Wed Jun 16 1993 13:20 | 10 |
|
>> If it was a 2-2-1-1-1 format I would bet $100 on the Suns with 7:1 odds.
>> But next 2 games are in Chicago.
By the same token, all the Suns have to do is win tonight and they
regain the homecourt advantage. If they split the next two they get
to go home before a fanatical crowd. Granted, neither is a given
but I still would take the 7:1 odds for a small wager. 7:1 just seems
a bit steep.
|
29.95 | All Star | HBAHBA::HAAS | Lower Melvin | Mon Jul 12 1993 14:59 | 6 |
| MLB All Star game, Tuesday:
odds:
AMERICAN 6:5 national
over/under 8
|
29.96 | preseason NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | Lower Melvin | Wed Aug 04 1993 18:21 | 21 |
29.97 | pre-season NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | Lower Melvin | Tue Aug 10 1993 17:07 | 21 |
29.98 | top PGA odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | Lower Melvin | Thu Aug 12 1993 15:39 | 7 |
| PGA Championship Favorites Odds:
Nick Faldo 7:1
Greg Norman 7:1
Nick Price 8:1
Bernhard Langer 9:1
Fred Couples 10:1
|
29.99 | pre season NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | Lower Melvin | Tue Aug 17 1993 14:55 | 21 |
29.100 | College Football | HBAHBA::HAAS | Lower Melvin | Fri Aug 27 1993 16:05 | 7 |
| College Football:
Kickoff Classic:
Florida St 26 Kansas @East Rutherford, NJ
Pigskin Classic:
Southern Cal 8 No Carolina @Anaheim, CA
|
29.101 | College Football odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | Lower Melvin | Fri Aug 27 1993 16:09 | 21 |
| Some Danny Sheridan Odds for College Football:
Odds Against wining National Championship:
Alabama 3:1
Florida St 3:1
Michigan 5:1
Miami-FL 6:1
Notre Dame 6:1
Syracuse 7:1
Heisman Trophy:
Marshall Faulk, San Deigo St 2:1
Charlie Ward, Florida St 2:1
Marvin Graves, Syracuse 3:1
Heath Schuler, Tennessee 3:1
Tyrone Wheatley, Michigan 4:1
Calvin Jones, Nebraska 4:1
David Palmer, Alabama 6:1
Eric Zeier, Georgia 8:1
|
29.102 | | CAM3::WAY | Wild Thing, I think I love you | Fri Aug 27 1993 17:33 | 7 |
| > Alabama 3:1
Roll Tide!
'Saw
|
29.103 | | CAM3::WAY | Wild Thing, I think I love you | Fri Aug 27 1993 17:34 | 16 |
| > Notre Dame 6:1
Cheer, cheer for Old Notre Dame
Wake up the echoes cheering her name!
Send the volley cheer on high,
Shake down the thunder from the sky.
What though the odds be great or small
Old Notre Dame will win over all
While her loyal sons go marching onward to victory!
'Saw_for_MikeL
|
29.104 | I always wanted to do that | MKFSB::LONG | All gave some, some gave all | Fri Aug 27 1993 17:44 | 2 |
|
The line --> ---------------------------------
|
29.105 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Fri Aug 27 1993 18:01 | 5 |
| re: .103
that belongs in the diaper discussion that was going on in the Junk note.
The Crazy Met
|
29.106 | Peasant! | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Fri Aug 27 1993 18:16 | 6 |
|
-1,
Sacrilege!! Ya gots no culture..!!
MikeL
|
29.107 | | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | MEts in (last in) 94 | Mon Aug 30 1993 15:54 | 3 |
| > Michigan 5:1
What happened? Was the Rose Bowl cancelled?
|
29.108 | NFL, Week 1 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Lower Melvin | Tue Aug 31 1993 17:32 | 17 |
29.109 | College Football | HBAHBA::HAAS | Lower Melvin | Tue Aug 31 1993 17:32 | 31 |
29.110 | NFL, Week 2 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Primus Caverns Guy | Wed Sep 08 1993 16:09 | 17 |
29.111 | College Football | HBAHBA::HAAS | Primus Caverns Guy | Wed Sep 08 1993 16:10 | 33 |
29.112 | | MIMS::ROLLINS_R | | Wed Sep 08 1993 16:18 | 5 |
| > Sunday:
> kansas city NL HOUSTON (Montana questionable)
What I had heard is that the question was on the status of Moon, not Montana.
Not sure I heard right, though.
|
29.113 | Boxing | HBAHBA::HAAS | Primus Caverns Guy | Wed Sep 08 1993 16:18 | 3 |
| Friday Night Fight:
Julio Cesar Chavez 5:2 Parnell Whitaker
|
29.114 | Montana Questionable, Moon Probable | HBAHBA::HAAS | Primus Caverns Guy | Wed Sep 08 1993 16:47 | 8 |
| Montana has a bruised wrist. He had to leave the Tampa Bay game early and
has been projected to be Questionable (50-50 chance of playing) Sunday.
Moon was also knocked out of his game against New Orleans when he was
sacked and suffered bruised ribs. He's projected to start Sunday and will
probably be listed on the injury report as Probable (75-25 chance of
playing). FWIW, a Doubtful status is a 25-75 chance of playing.
TTom
|
29.115 | | MIMS::ROLLINS_R | | Wed Sep 08 1993 17:36 | 14 |
| >Montana has a bruised wrist. He had to leave the Tampa Bay game early and
>has been projected to be Questionable (50-50 chance of playing) Sunday.
>Moon was also knocked out of his game against New Orleans when he was
>sacked and suffered bruised ribs. He's projected to start Sunday and will
>probably be listed on the injury report as Probable (75-25 chance of
>playing). FWIW, a Doubtful status is a 25-75 chance of playing.
>
>TTom
Thanks TTom. What I had heard from an SEN broadcast in Las Vegas was that
Moon's status was in question, and so there was no line on Monday. According
to this guy, when Moon's status was known, there would be a line in the
KC-Houston matchup.
|
29.116 | waiting for injury report | HBAHBA::HAAS | Primus Caverns Guy | Wed Sep 08 1993 18:42 | 7 |
| I think everyone will be waiting until the exact status of Montana and/or
Moon until posting a line. This will probably come soon after the injury
report comes out.
As soon as I see anything on this, I'll post a_update.
TTom
|
29.117 | KC line | HBAHBA::HAAS | Primus Caverns Guy | Thu Sep 09 1993 13:48 | 7 |
29.118 | no line on Dallas-Buffalo | HBAHBA::HAAS | Primus Caverns Guy | Thu Sep 09 1993 20:02 | 9 |
| Another update...
It looks like Jim Kelly might miss the Dallas game. He's being listed as
questionable but it sounds like he ain't gonna make it. Look for Frank
Reich to come in.
As it is now, the latest line is:
DALLAS NL buffalo
|
29.119 | NFL Week 3 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Primus Caverns Guy | Tue Sep 14 1993 15:24 | 17 |
29.120 | College Football | HBAHBA::HAAS | Primus Caverns Guy | Tue Sep 14 1993 15:24 | 33 |
29.121 | errata | HBAHBA::HAAS | Primus Caverns Guy | Fri Sep 17 1993 13:32 | 12 |
| Some of the preceding have been determined to be in error. To wit:
boston college 8 NORTHWESTERN
san diego st 4 AIR FORCE
I had BC at home favored by 18 (which I kinda liked) but it's really 8 at
Northwestern. The USA Today listed the SD St-Air Force game at SD. I
guess they can no longer be considered inerrant. ;-). In fact, the
difference here could be profound considering that early weather reports
call for cold and a possibility of snow in The Springs.
TTom
|
29.122 | | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Fri Sep 17 1993 13:52 | 11 |
|
I think BC is gonna have a major tussle up in Evanston.
NU's got a dang good passing attack. Key is NU's defense. Cain they
stop the Eagles? Not in the second half methinks. Eagles wear down
'Cats, 24-20.
But beware the first half, BC!!
MikeL
|
29.123 | Updates 'Boys line | HBAHBA::HAAS | Primus Caverns Guy | Fri Sep 17 1993 14:00 | 6 |
29.124 | NFL Week 4 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Primus Caverns Guy | Tue Sep 21 1993 13:54 | 16 |
29.125 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | Primus Caverns Guy | Tue Sep 21 1993 13:54 | 38 |
29.126 | NFL Week 5 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Carolina Blue: Politically Correct | Tue Sep 28 1993 14:32 | 19 |
29.127 | | PARVAX::WARDLE_M | | Wed Sep 29 1993 00:22 | 3 |
| The Jets are favored?? See, the experts know who's good....
JoJ_NOT
|
29.128 | College Football | HBAHBA::HAAS | Broons roolz | Wed Sep 29 1993 13:13 | 38 |
29.129 | moving | HBAHBA::HAAS | Broons roolz | Wed Sep 29 1993 13:22 | 17 |
29.130 | | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | MEts in (last in) 94 | Wed Sep 29 1993 15:07 | 3 |
| OK, which line do we use for KOH in the CHIcago-Atlanta game?
brews
|
29.131 | | CAM3::WAY | Jade is COOL.... | Wed Sep 29 1993 15:10 | 10 |
| > OK, which line do we use for KOH in the CHIcago-Atlanta game?
>
> brews
We'd better be using Tuesday's line because we've already picked against
that.
'Saw
|
29.132 | might not matter | HBAHBA::HAAS | Broons roolz | Wed Sep 29 1993 15:12 | 5 |
| Hail, if'n it's like lasted week with Tampa Bay, it won't matter.
But of course, we should here directly from the directory of the KOH.
TTom
|
29.133 | Tide's Barker to play at Gamecocks | HBAHBA::HAAS | Broons roolz | Fri Oct 01 1993 14:09 | 9 |
29.134 | Hostetler out; Evans in | HBAHBA::HAAS | Broons roolz | Fri Oct 01 1993 19:04 | 7 |
| One more sure to move:
LA Raiders announced that Vince Evanas will start in place of Jeff
Hostetler because of Hostetler's ankle injury suffered in the Cleveland
game. First start for Evans since 1987.
TTom
|
29.135 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | Real man's sport has started! | Fri Oct 01 1993 20:11 | 3 |
| re-1
Sheet, the faiders have a chance now;^)
|
29.136 | NFL Week 6 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Over the wall | Tue Oct 05 1993 14:14 | 14 |
29.137 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | Over the wall | Tue Oct 05 1993 14:14 | 39 |
29.138 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | Umgwana Cik Buudie | Tue Oct 05 1993 19:52 | 8 |
29.139 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | Umgwana Cik Buudie | Tue Oct 05 1993 19:53 | 8 |
29.140 | USA TOday | HBAHBA::HAAS | Over the wall | Tue Oct 05 1993 19:54 | 9 |
| JaKe,
I can't explain your newspaper. Is this the one that went on strike for a
couple of years?
As for the Miami line, it's from USA Today, Danny Sheridan. Perhaps, the
local 'Burgh line is favoring the Browns.
TTom
|
29.141 | (8^) | PFSVAX::JACOB | Umgwana Cik Buudie | Tue Oct 05 1993 19:58 | 14 |
|
>>I can't explain your newspaper. Is this the one that went on strike for a
>>couple of years?
Yeah, same one, but they're usually pretty accurate.
>>As for the Miami line, it's from USA Today, Danny Sheridan. Perhaps, the
>>local 'Burgh line is favoring the Browns.
the only thing Pittsburghers would say Clevescum is favored at is being
the only inhabited raw sewage dump in America, possible the world.
JaKe
|
29.142 | what is that line | HBAHBA::HAAS | Over the wall | Tue Oct 05 1993 20:02 | 7 |
| All's I can say is that maybe this is like lasted week's line with the
Jets and Eagles. I saw everything from Jets favored by 1 to the Eagles
favored by 1. The latest line Sunday had it a pick.
What do they say the Browns are favored by?
TTom
|
29.143 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | Umgwana Cik Buudie | Tue Oct 05 1993 20:43 | 7 |
| re.142
Brown(spot)s(tm) by 1.5 in my paper
JaKe
|
29.144 | Browns 24 - Miami 18 | STRATA::WHITEHAIR | The more I get...the more I want! | Wed Oct 06 1993 11:17 | 8 |
|
Jake,
Why so surprised??? The Browns will win this game by lots
more than 1.5 points. Look for Marino to get knocked out of the
game by the Orange Crush and Rush!
WOOF!
|
29.145 | Can the Browns score 24 points? | QUASER::JACKSONTA | Real man's sport has started! | Wed Oct 06 1993 12:47 | 9 |
| Hey Hal, get a clue!!! The Orange Crush belongs to Denver.
Howwabout the Brown squaters?
Didn't you say the Browns were gonna beat Mihami last year? The same
game Bernie broke his foot and had the guts/no brians to stay in the
game? I wonder what qtr Vinny will replace him in?
Tim
|
29.146 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | GoPats. GoToStLouis,Baltimore... | Wed Oct 06 1993 15:15 | 5 |
29.147 | College lines moving | HBAHBA::HAAS | Over the wall | Wed Oct 06 1993 19:06 | 8 |
| Some noteable movements today:
Thursday:
nebraska 20 OKLAHOMA ST
Saturday:
FLORIDA ST 13 miami-fl
WASHINGTON ST 1 arizona st
|
29.148 | LCS Odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | Over the wall | Wed Oct 06 1993 19:09 | 16 |
| LCS Odds:
ALCS:
Game 2 CHICAGO 6:5 toronto
series Toronto even Chicago
NLCS:
Game 1 atlanta 6:5 PHILADELPHIA
series Atlanta 11:5 Philadelphia
Odds against winning World Series:
Atlanta 8:5
Toronto 3:1
Chicago 3:1
Philadelphia 4:1
|
29.149 | Updated NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | Over the wall | Wed Oct 06 1993 20:10 | 8 |
29.150 | | SKEWED::MCKAY | | Thu Oct 07 1993 15:31 | 9 |
| Sheridan is the official line of USA TODAY only
The true line comes from Vegas and is seen in the Boston area
as the LATEST LINE.
Personally, I don't even look at USA TODAY lines because they
are just Sheridens opinion.
Jimbo
|
29.151 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Sun Oct 10 1993 01:50 | 4 |
| Fla St. covered. Line ended up at 14. Fla St. 28 - Miami 10.
The Crazy Met
|
29.152 | | PFSVAX::JACOB | Umgwana Cik Buudie | Mon Oct 11 1993 19:55 | 5 |
| And Notre Dame was favored by either 39.5 or 40 going into the game wif
Pitt, and won 44-0.
JaKe
|
29.153 | | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Mon Oct 11 1993 20:35 | 6 |
| I watched some of the first half, and ND played right down to
Pitt's level, awful. Pitt is baaaaaaaaad.
MikeL
|
29.155 | NFL Week 8 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Irmo Okra Strut | Tue Oct 19 1993 13:07 | 22 |
29.156 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | Irmo Okra Strut | Tue Oct 19 1993 13:09 | 34 |
29.157 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue Oct 19 1993 14:21 | 3 |
| no line on Fl. State and Maryland??
The Crazy Met
|
29.158 | 'tain't playin' | HBAHBA::HAAS | Irmo Okra Strut | Tue Oct 19 1993 15:13 | 4 |
| The 'Noles are a prohibitive favorite over Open. The Terps are having a
bad year so in the spirit of Temple, there's no line versus Bye.
TTom
|
29.159 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Tue Oct 19 1993 15:26 | 4 |
|
The 'Noles don't even play Maryland until Nov 6th with games against
Virginia and Wake Forest before that. Wassamatta, TCM? Want to get your
bet down early?
|
29.160 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue Oct 19 1993 15:27 | 3 |
| now watch MD lose by less than last weeks team did.
The Crazy Met
|
29.161 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue Oct 19 1993 15:29 | 4 |
| For some reason I though they played MD this week. Does Fl. St. have this
weekend off?? Or is there no line against VA?
The Crazy Met
|
29.162 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Tue Oct 19 1993 15:46 | 10 |
|
TCM, apparently TTom's note went zooming right over that pointy head of
yours. Here's FSU's schedule:
#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------#
| vs Kansas.......42-0 | GEORGIA TECH......51-0 | at Maryland (Nov 6) |
| at Duke.........45-7 | MIAMI.............28-10 | at Notre Dame (Nov 13) |
| CLEMSON.........57-0 | VIRGINIA .........40-14 | N.C. STATE (Nov 20) |
| at UNC..........33-7 | WAKE FOREST (Oct 30) | at Florida (Nov 27) |
#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------#
|
29.163 | NFL updates | HBAHBA::HAAS | Irmo Okra Strut | Wed Oct 20 1993 13:52 | 7 |
29.164 | NFL 92 streaks against the spread | HBAHBA::HAAS | Irmo Okra Strut | Fri Oct 22 1993 15:36 | 51 |
| Somewhere we were talking about streaks and betting on them or betting
against them.
The following is some semi-official data from lasted year' NFL. For each
team, I've listed the longest winning and losing streak against the
spread, the team's record against the spread and other notable streaks.
Mileage may vary with what lines are used. These reflect the ones I post
here from USA Today.
Looking at the data, you'll see that only 2 teams, Dallas and San Diego
had any kinda streaks longer than 5 games as they won more the 5 times in
a row. This is about how I recollect most years to be: it's rare to win
or lose more than 5 games and mostly that occurs with teams exceptionally
hot or bad.
Enjoy,
TTom
Against the Spread
Longest Streaks Record Other
Team Win Lose w-l-t Streaks
-------------------------------------------------------
ATLANTA 3 3 06-08-2
BUFFALO 4 4 10-09-1
CHICAGO 4 6 05-11-0
CINCINNATI 4 4 07-09-0
CLEVELAND 3 3 07-09-0
DALLAS 6 2 14-05-0 5 Wins
DENVER 2 2 09-07-0
DETROIT 3 3 08-08-0
GREEN BAY 3 3 08-07-1
HOUSTON 4 4 09-07-1
INDIANAPOLIS 5 4 09-07-0
KANSAS CITY 4 3 08-09-0
LA RAIDERS 3 4 07-09-0
LA RAMS 5 2 09-07-0
MIAMI 2 4 07-11-0
MINNESOTA 4 2 09-07-1
NEW ENGLAND 2 3 07-08-1
NEW ORLEANS 4 1 11-06-0
NY GIANTS 2 5 05-11-0
NY JETS 2 4 04-10-2
PHILADELPHIA 3 4 10-08-0
PHOENIX 3 2 07-07-2 4-0-1 Wins
PITTSBURGH 3 3 09-08-0
SAN DIEGO 8 4 12-05-1 4 Wins, 12-0-1 Wins
SAN FRANCISCO 2 2 08-10-0
SEATTLE 5 3 08-08-0
TAMPA BAY 4 3 09-07-0
WASHINGTON 2 4 07-11-0
|
29.165 | NFL Week 9 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Irmo Okra Strut | Tue Oct 26 1993 14:13 | 18 |
29.166 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | Irmo Okra Strut | Tue Oct 26 1993 14:15 | 41 |
29.167 | college updates | HBAHBA::HAAS | Irmo Okra Strut | Wed Oct 27 1993 20:36 | 4 |
| Got some updates for college:
ALABAMA 20 southern miss
CALIFORNIA 3 southern cal
|
29.168 | NFL Week 10 | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Tue Nov 02 1993 15:16 | 18 |
29.169 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Tue Nov 02 1993 15:17 | 39 |
29.170 | updates | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Wed Nov 03 1993 19:45 | 12 |
| Some updates:
Saturday:
colorado 16 OKLAHOMA ST
Monday:
KANSAS CITY 3 green bay
Watch the Viking line. McMahon will not play, Salisbury will start.
TTom
|
29.171 | Don't "steak" yo' rep on the Vikes | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Wed Nov 03 1993 19:58 | 1 |
|
|
29.172 | Bowe favored | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Thu Nov 04 1993 14:39 | 8 |
| USA Today quoted a 5:1 line as odds on Bowe beating Holyfield. This is
one of those bet 5 to win 1 since it's odd *ON* winning.
> -< Don't "steak" yo' rep on the Vikes >-
If'n I could decode this I think I'd reply.
TTom
|
29.173 | shake the cobwebs out, dadgum heelbilly 8^) | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Thu Nov 04 1993 14:47 | 6 |
| -1
Read .170, last line, you big dummy!!
MikeL
|
29.174 | | 38136::MCKAY | | Fri Nov 05 1993 13:13 | 11 |
| A while ago there was a bunch of speculation on the Fl St/ND line.
And the line today is.......drumroll please........
Fl St 7 @ND
They also pulled out a fairly ridiculous stat. It's the first time
that ND has been an underdog at home (now it get's better), in November,
while they were undefeated!
IM
|
29.175 | Danny, too | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Fri Nov 05 1993 13:19 | 6 |
| Danny Sheridan is quoting 7 also.
I think this is basically a_affirmation that Charlie Ward is expected to
be healthy.
TTom
|
29.176 | | MKFSA::LONG | a foot-stompin'-honky-tonkin' state of mind | Fri Nov 05 1993 13:24 | 4 |
| Dem Irish could be in deep doodoo.
billl
|
29.177 | NBA tonight! | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Fri Nov 05 1993 16:04 | 14 |
29.178 | NBA odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Fri Nov 05 1993 16:24 | 55 |
| Danny Sheridan's odds against winning the NBA title:
New York 4:1
Phoenix 4:1
Seattle 7:1
Cleveland 8:1
Houston 10:1
Charlotte 12:1
San Antonio 15:1
Orlando 15:1
Portland 20:1
Utah 25:1
Chicago 25:1
New Jersey 50:1
Miami 75:1
Indiana 100:1
Golden State 150:1
Detroit 250:1
Boston 500:1
Atlanta 750:1
LA Clippers 1000:1
LA Lakers 1000:1
Denver 75000:1
Sacramento 100000:1
Milwaukee 500000:1
Washington 500000:1
Philadelphia 600000:1
Minnesota 750000:1
Dallas 1000000:1
Odds against winning Rookie of the Year:
Chris Webber 4:1
Jamal Mashburn 5:1
Lindsey Hunter 6:1
Calbert Cheaney 7:1
Anfernee Hardaway 8:1
Isaiah Rider 10:1
Shawn Bradley 12:1
Rondey Rogers 12:1
Bobby Hurley 15:1
Vin Baker 15:1
Field 20:1
Odd against the winning MVP:
Patrick Ewing 4:1
Hakeem Olajuwon 5:1
Larry Johnson 6:1
Shawn Kemp 6:1
Charles Barkley 7:1
Shaquille O'Neal 8:1
Karl Malone 8:1
Alonzo Mourning 10:1
David Robinson 12:1
Brad Daugherty 15:1
Field 12:1
|
29.179 | | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Fri Nov 05 1993 18:49 | 9 |
| Re: Irish being in deep doodoo. Maybe/maybe not. Strange things can
happen still 8 days away....
I believe soeone said that this is the first time ND had ever been
unbeaten,playing at home in November and not favored. The stat guy
who found this neds to git another hobby.
MikeL
|
29.180 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Fri Nov 05 1993 18:55 | 6 |
| >> I believe soeone said that this is the first time ND had ever been
>> unbeaten,playing at home in November and not favored. The stat guy
>> who found this neds to git another hobby.
It was obviously a baseball man bringing that sport's annoying pen-
chant for meaningless stats and over analysis to college football.
|
29.181 | | 16421::HEISER | parenting: no place for wimps | Fri Nov 05 1993 19:55 | 7 |
| >Danny Sheridan's odds against winning the NBA title:
>
> New York 4:1
> Phoenix 4:1
> Seattle 7:1
was this after the Seattle trade? If so, the dude is whacked!
|
29.182 | Kendall Gill factor? | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Fri Nov 05 1993 19:56 | 3 |
| Don't know. It was in the USA Today today.
TTom
|
29.183 | Detlef is the "problem" | 16421::HEISER | parenting: no place for wimps | Fri Nov 05 1993 20:04 | 2 |
| Kendall wasn't the one the West was worried about. Any 2 guard that
shoots 44% won't get too much attention.
|
29.184 | | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Fri Nov 05 1993 20:19 | 5 |
| These lines always seem to follow previous season. And bettors tend to
do same.
Apparently the #1 sure thing this weekend is Dehere but he'll only pay
minimum .10 on dollar or is it .05.
|
29.185 | not this race | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Mon Nov 08 1993 14:43 | 3 |
| Dehere finished 8th or something. Definitely out of the money.
TTom
|
29.186 | Ah know, no political stuff 8^) | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Tue Nov 09 1993 12:53 | 11 |
| Odd on tonight's fight:
perot 3:5
gore 4:1
HTH
Is vegas taking calls?
MikeL
|
29.187 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Tue Nov 09 1993 13:06 | 17 |
| | Odd on tonight's fight:
|
| perot 3:5
| gore 4:1
|
| HTH
Lloyd Benson says to expect a "knockout punch" from Al Gore. Imus says
Benson belongs at the dog track, with a note pinned to his shirt saying
"Hi, my name is Lloyd Benson and if I have any creamed corn on my chin
please wipe it off"
I wonder what the odds are that the "Fan Man" will parachute in....
'Saw
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29.188 | NFL Week 11 | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Tue Nov 09 1993 13:56 | 20 |
29.189 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Tue Nov 09 1993 13:56 | 42 |
29.190 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue Nov 09 1993 14:09 | 3 |
| when is the last time ND was a TD underdog at home??
The Crazy Met
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29.191 | During the Faust era prolly | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Tue Nov 09 1993 14:11 | 1 |
|
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29.192 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Tue Nov 09 1993 14:24 | 7 |
| I heard someone say on WFAN that Notre Dame has never lost when they've
been an underdog at home.
Should be a GOOD game on Saturday.....
'Saw
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29.193 | | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Tue Nov 09 1993 14:44 | 11 |
| -1,
I dunno 'Saw. I was in ND stadium in '82 when they was a dog to
Penn St and they got beat by the Lions. Who said that on the FAN
anyway? Throughout their history, they've been dogs many times at
home and lost, I'm sure.
They musta qualified that statement somehow.
MikeL
|
29.194 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Tue Nov 09 1993 15:01 | 18 |
| >
> I dunno 'Saw. I was in ND stadium in '82 when they was a dog to
> Penn St and they got beat by the Lions. Who said that on the FAN
> anyway? Throughout their history, they've been dogs many times at
> home and lost, I'm sure.
>
> They musta qualified that statement somehow.
I don't know. I was in traffic at the time, and only had one ear
on the radio. I think it was just some jamoke who called in, but
I'm not positive.
It was on Mike and the Mad Dog, so I figured that they might have corrected
him if he was wrong, but again, I wasn't paying 100% attention.....
'Saw
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29.195 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | I am airless, a vacuum child | Tue Nov 09 1993 15:20 | 6 |
|
the qualification factorial is probably in the "Sandbagger's Era"....
I see FSU getting screwed by home cooking and loosing wide left....
mike
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29.196 | Wide left? Overcompensation | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Tue Nov 09 1993 18:14 | 12 |
| Homecooking??
By which crew???
Probably be a Big East crew.. Last time I loked neither ND or FSU was
in the Big East.
BTW, how vcain ND have homecooking if'n they is independent??
Is there an independent crew that just does ND and Louisville games?
MikeL
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29.197 | pitiful | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Tue Nov 09 1993 18:18 | 10 |
| Mike, oh Mike.
Like little ol' Notre Dame can't figger out how to put the fix in.
Conference? They don't need no steenkin conference. They is already
bigger than any of 'em anyhoo.
I always thought that who's the refs was worked out in them Ts&Cs type
stuff.
TTom
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29.198 | Look like a dadgum plantation owner | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Tue Nov 09 1993 18:44 | 20 |
| Er,
Mind decoding your last sentence??
We don't need no steeenking fix. We gots Touchdown Jesus, #1 Moses,
Fair Catch Corbin and all-other campus charms(er fixes) in.
BTW, traditionally ND has used Big Ten refs at home. Don't know
the policy they(college football) has now.
Lemme axe a real dumb question.. Why the hail do all these southern
Mason-Dixon-type teams take a regiment of local storm troopers
with them? Bowden will probably have half the northern Florida
state police barracks with him. Nuttin' like perpetuatin' the
southern stereotype of the sunglass-wearin' Man.
They expecting a assassination? Couldn't the local police/security
do the same thang?
MikeL
|
29.199 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue Nov 09 1993 19:08 | 5 |
| re: troopers
Tank McNamara cartoon last week was having a good 'ole time with this.
The Crazy Met
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29.200 | found the ring | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Tue Nov 09 1993 19:40 | 5 |
| What I awas attempting to say was that the issue of who refs the games is
usually spelled out in the contracts. For instance, in the Colorado-Miami
series thised year, the visitors bring the refs.
TTom
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29.201 | Oh no... ACC refs ack...... | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Tue Nov 09 1993 19:42 | 1 |
|
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29.202 | Updated NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Thu Nov 11 1993 14:01 | 19 |
29.203 | KC-Raider line | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Thu Nov 11 1993 15:02 | 3 |
29.204 | If'n you wanna seem like you know sum'in talk loud | AKOCOA::BREEN | Patriots guilty of malicious wounding | Thu Nov 11 1993 16:32 | 4 |
| That sounds like a compromise between the no-joe line and the joe-line.
I will predict that the official no-joe line is la 4 1/2 vs a joe line
that would have been la 1
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29.205 | Raider update | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Fri Nov 12 1993 13:07 | 3 |
29.206 | early lines on some BIG games | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Mon Nov 15 1993 17:46 | 7 |
29.207 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Mon Nov 15 1993 17:48 | 13 |
| > AUBURN 1 alabama
I predict that next Saturday the entire state of Alabama will grind to
a halt while this game is being played.....8^)
Roll Tide!
'Saw
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29.208 | Bama should play well | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Mon Nov 15 1993 17:51 | 5 |
| This year it seems like Alabama likes to play up to the level of the
competition. They handily beat Tennessee (worse than the score looks) and
lose to LSU.
TTom
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29.209 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Mon Nov 15 1993 17:54 | 18 |
| >
>This year it seems like Alabama likes to play up to the level of the
>competition. They handily beat Tennessee (worse than the score looks) and
>lose to LSU.
>
Tennesee was the tie, wasn't it?
I hope they whup up on Auburn.
Had a good friend who went to Auburn. I could listen to her talk for
days on end, but the one thing we couldn't talk was college football.
I also miss that dude who was in here who was an Auburn fan. Made this
time of year fun.....
'Saw
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29.210 | oh well,... | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Mon Nov 15 1993 17:58 | 5 |
| Brain Cramp, Monday...
Yeah, Bama tied Tennessee. It was Tennessee who shoulda won but didn't.
TTom
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29.211 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Mon Nov 15 1993 18:06 | 12 |
29.212 | 8^) | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Mon Nov 15 1993 18:08 | 6 |
| -1,
You bring the wimmins, I'll bring the Bushmills ( 75 up heah)
MikeL
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29.213 | gone | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Mon Nov 15 1993 18:13 | 7 |
| Yeah, its about the same down here.
In fact, I think I've about had enough.
I'm outta here.
TTom
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29.214 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Mon Nov 15 1993 18:15 | 14 |
| > -1,
> You bring the wimmins, I'll bring the Bushmills ( 75 up heah)
Fair enough. I think I can scrounge up a few willing participants,
especially when they hear about the smooth mellow taste of Bushmills.
If we leave now we can meet TTom halfway (somewhere in Delaware
perhaps?).......
'Saw
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29.215 | | GWEN::ASHE | Les Nessman Live, from the mall... | Mon Nov 15 1993 18:19 | 2 |
| I'll talk to Steph...
|
29.216 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Mon Nov 15 1993 18:26 | 8 |
| >
> I'll talk to Steph...
>
Well, if you do any more than that you'll be late.......
|
29.217 | NFL Week 12 | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Tue Nov 16 1993 13:22 | 23 |
29.218 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Tue Nov 16 1993 13:23 | 35 |
29.219 | | MKFSA::LONG | Help! I've lost my OBL and can't get up! | Tue Nov 16 1993 14:05 | 13 |
29.220 | no lined Temple | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Tue Nov 16 1993 14:25 | 4 |
| USA Today has put a no line on Temple since they were consecutively
drubbed by California, BC and even Rutgers.
TTom
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29.221 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Tue Nov 16 1993 15:41 | 12 |
29.222 | Updated NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | No sir. I don't like it. | Thu Nov 18 1993 18:10 | 16 |
29.223 | NIT | HBAHBA::HAAS | Schlegelian Dialectic | Fri Nov 19 1993 17:29 | 3 |
29.224 | NFL Week 13 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Schlegelian Dialectic | Tue Nov 23 1993 14:49 | 22 |
29.225 | College o'er Turkeyday Weekend | HBAHBA::HAAS | Schlegelian Dialectic | Tue Nov 23 1993 14:49 | 23 |
29.226 | NIT semis | HBAHBA::HAAS | Schlegelian Dialectic | Tue Nov 23 1993 16:36 | 3 |
29.227 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Wed Nov 24 1993 00:13 | 4 |
| BC favored, hmm must be home field giving them that edge.
The Crazy Met
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29.228 | Dallas-Miami update | HBAHBA::HAAS | Schlegelian Dialectic | Wed Nov 24 1993 13:52 | 3 |
29.229 | | MKFSA::LONG | Help! I've lost my OBL and can't get up! | Wed Nov 24 1993 14:15 | 4 |
| Anybody catch the line on the Penguins-Bruins game tonight?
billl
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29.230 | NFL Week 14 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Schlegelian Dialectic | Tue Nov 30 1993 13:33 | 17 |
29.231 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | Schlegelian Dialectic | Tue Nov 30 1993 13:33 | 8 |
29.232 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Tue Nov 30 1993 13:50 | 14 |
| >Saturday:
> ARMY 1 navy
We'll miss this game, as we'll be on the pier at Electric Boat for the
launching of the USS Hartford. If there is any justice, Navy will win....
8^)
'Saw
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29.233 | in New Jersey | HBAHBA::HAAS | Schlegelian Dialectic | Tue Nov 30 1993 14:16 | 8 |
| Army is listed as the home team but it's being played at East Rutherford,
NJ, so there's no home court advantage.
During the season Navy looked like the better team but that ain't saying
that much. One can only wonder when the Service Academies downgrade their
program to 2A like the Ivy League did.
TTom
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29.234 | | PTOVAX::JACOB | John Elway is so YUMMY!!! | Tue Nov 30 1993 15:30 | 4 |
| When was the lasted time ANY NFL team was favored by 24 points?????
JaKe
|
29.235 | | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | All products 100% buzzword compliant | Tue Nov 30 1993 15:43 | 1 |
| When were the Broncos last in the SB?
|
29.236 | rare, but ... | HBAHBA::HAAS | Schlegelian Dialectic | Tue Nov 30 1993 15:55 | 14 |
| This line watcher cain't remember anything as big as 24 in the NFL.
College regularly has 30 point plus lines but usually, anything this big
gets a lot of money on the dog.
Digging through some past records, I only could find a 20 point spread
twice:
In 92, San Francisco was favored at home by 20 over Tampa Bay and won
the game 21-14 (a big did not cover)
In 91, Buffalo was favored at home by 20 over Indianapolis and won the
game 42-6 (and covered).
TTom
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29.237 | | MKFSA::LONG | T- 9 days and counting... | Tue Nov 30 1993 16:31 | 4 |
| >> When were the Broncos last in the SB?
Tooooooo funny, Brews!
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29.238 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | Babe Hockey | Tue Nov 30 1993 17:39 | 1 |
| That hurt Brews, you being a closet donk fan and saying that....
|
29.239 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Wed Dec 01 1993 00:49 | 8 |
| TTom,
what about SF against NE in the last 2-3 years late in the
season? I seem to recall a huge spread but not sure if it was
at 20 poins.
The Crazy Met
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29.240 | Tommy <> Karnac of Sports | 16421::HEISER | but I *like* it!!! | Wed Dec 01 1993 02:04 | 17 |
| Speaking of lines, I thought this would be good for a chuckle.
Especially the bottom of the list.
<<< COFFEE::USER$DISK:[NOTES$LIBRARY]POOL_93.NOTE;1 >>>
================================================================================
Note 5.13 Weekly Results 13 of 13
-< Week 13 >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Player W L T Pts Avg OUpts
USCTR1::KING 7 7 0 14 0.500 0
SHARE::DERRY 7 7 0 14 0.500 0
PTOVAX::JACOB 7 7 0 14 0.500 0
WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M 6 6 0 12 0.500 0
FRETZ::HEISER 6 8 0 12 0.429 0
HBAHBA::HAAS 5 7 0 10 0.417 0
MKFSA::LONG 5 9 0 10 0.357 0
MSBCS::BRYDIE 2 12 0 4 0.143 0
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29.241 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Wed Dec 01 1993 11:56 | 3 |
|
The one thing that I have going in my favor, Heiser is that with your
track record most people won't believe you.
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29.242 | should be spelled Phoenix | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Wed Dec 01 1993 12:48 | 6 |
| Mikey, going 2-12 takes as much genius as going 12-2. You
should be able to appreciate that. Oh btw when will the Suns ever learn
how to beat the Bulls in Pheonix??
The Crazy Met
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29.243 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | Babe Hockey | Wed Dec 01 1993 14:40 | 1 |
| Um, I beleive that game last night was in Chicago...
|
29.244 | updates | HBAHBA::HAAS | Schlegelian Dialectic | Wed Dec 01 1993 15:55 | 13 |
29.245 | nobody worse on Sunday | 16421::HEISER | but I *like* it!!! | Wed Dec 01 1993 16:40 | 8 |
| > should be able to appreciate that. Oh btw when will the Suns ever learn
> how to beat the Bulls in Pheonix??
When will you learn how to spell Phoenix? When will you be able to
understand the phrase "at Chicago"?
Tommy's lucky that Tom Pfau left DEC. He always posted the best/worst
of each week. Tommy would've been famous.
|
29.246 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Wed Dec 01 1993 16:42 | 3 |
|
Yeah, it's a good thing I have "friends" like you to post it in here.
|
29.247 | bow to Karnac | 16421::HEISER | but I *like* it!!! | Wed Dec 01 1993 16:48 | 1 |
| Serves you right for doubting my pick of ASU over UCLA.
|
29.249 | too funny | 16421::HEISER | but I *like* it!!! | Wed Dec 01 1993 17:00 | 2 |
| Phoenix was a much closer than 2-12 last year. In fact, they were only
a missed 3-pointer away.
|
29.250 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Wed Dec 01 1993 17:25 | 7 |
|
So you've gone from believing that it was "lack of experience"
that cost you the title to "a missed 3-pointer away". Another
6 months or so and you'll have yourself believing that you act-
ually won it. Pretty fertile mind there, Mikey. Between the made
up trivia, the Arizonans that ain't and the creative excuses - you're
a regular Isaac Ass-imov.
|
29.251 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Wed Dec 01 1993 17:45 | 3 |
29.252 | I'm totally crushed | 16421::HEISER | no I'm really very, very shy | Wed Dec 01 1993 19:10 | 3 |
| > a regular Isaac Ass-imov.
Wooo, playing hardball, eh? A dead, anal-retentive heathen.
|
29.253 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Wed Dec 01 1993 19:18 | 6 |
|
No, Mike. I've just been busted about that 2-12 all week by two guys
I work with who are also in the pool. It's getting tiresome. If you
wanted to yank my chain you could have sent me mail instead of trying
to embarass me publicly. But I've been guilty of the same kind of be-
havior so I guess I don't have a whole lot of room to beef.
|
29.254 | | 16421::HEISER | no I'm really very, very shy | Wed Dec 01 1993 19:22 | 9 |
| Well then, I apologize. I didn't realize that it was such a sore spot.
Next time I'll just hang tough and try to rise above the temptation.
> So you've gone from believing that it was "lack of experience"
> that cost you the title to "a missed 3-pointer away". Another
The best marksman (which Paxson no longer is) hit at a 40% rate from
downtown. It was a roll of the dice that paid off for them. The odds
were against them.
|
29.255 | Paxson is a pressure player, no DOUBTH about it... | MR1PST::CBULLS::MBROOKS | | Wed Dec 01 1993 19:28 | 4 |
| Actually if I remember corectly phoenix made a 3 pt to send game 3 into
overtime which they eventually won. So Phoenix was 3 ptr away from
being swept....
MairB :-)
|
29.256 | naw, Phoenix has better marksmen | 16421::HEISER | no I'm really very, very shy | Wed Dec 01 1993 19:38 | 0 |
29.257 | NFL week 15 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock 'til you drop | Tue Dec 07 1993 13:10 | 19 |
29.258 | early bowl lines | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock 'til you drop | Tue Dec 07 1993 13:10 | 37 |
29.259 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Tue Dec 07 1993 13:59 | 5 |
| Nebraska by 17 over FSU? is this a typo
or has someone gone completely insane???
The Crazy Met
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29.260 | Florida St 17 Nebraska | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock 'til you drop | Tue Dec 07 1993 14:02 | 5 |
| ooops!
Would you believe FSU favored by 17?
TTom
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29.261 | anyone going to Vegas; put me down for some on ND to cover | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Tue Dec 07 1993 14:08 | 10 |
| FSU by 17 - well I believe that it is that high so
some folks will bet on Nebraska, but that is a bit high.
And ND only favored by 6; less than a TD? I would guess
that the money will pour in on ND and te spread will move up in the
next few weeks.
FSU spread could move down.
The Crazy Met
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29.262 | all what you believe | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Tue Dec 07 1993 14:21 | 15 |
29.263 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | Homer,Plato,Voltaire,DanReeves | Tue Dec 07 1993 15:14 | 4 |
29.264 | yep | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Tue Dec 07 1993 15:17 | 7 |
| Yeah, I checked this one.
I guess the feeling is that Alabama may not have Barker back and has lost
3 defensive players. One, Langham, is definitely out having been declared
ineligible. If'n any or all of those come back this line may move.
TTom
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29.265 | I like our chances against 'Bama, but wouldn't have vs. Florida | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Dec 07 1993 15:33 | 7 |
29.266 | they deserve one another... | CNTROL::CHILDS | I am airless, a vacuum child | Tue Dec 07 1993 15:37 | 8 |
|
Fla St already gagged once this year on the "game of the year", who's to
say they can't do it twice? Given Bowden's track record for leaving the
job unfinished I'd say the chances are pretty good. NU should be playing
their filberts off cause 17 points is such an insult...but then again it's
Doc Tom on the other sideline.....
mike
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29.267 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | Homer,Plato,Voltaire,DanReeves | Tue Dec 07 1993 15:38 | 4 |
29.268 | A great product, but so very anti-climactic. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Dec 07 1993 15:40 | 8 |
| A 17-point spread for a game that's supposed to decide the national
championship pretty much sums up the sad state of affairs for college
football.
:^(
- ACC Chris
|
29.269 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Tue Dec 07 1993 15:41 | 3 |
| I think ACChris' comment explains why the Heels are favored. All those
Heel fans are just blown away seeing the Heels in a bowl that they have
just opened their wallets.
|
29.270 | Still gotta say "Roll Tide!" though... | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Tue Dec 07 1993 16:04 | 11 |
| Believe it or not, I'm finding I agree with ACC Chris on this Tide-Heels
game.
'Bama is in disarray, decimated by injuries, trying to survive to the
end of the season. I wouldn't be surprised by a Bowl loss to the Heels...
A far cry from last season, unfortunately. But there is always nexted
year!
'SAw
|
29.271 | A Game/Play for the Ages | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Dec 07 1993 16:09 | 8 |
| 'Saw lasted years 'Bama season oughta keep Tide fans happy for *years*.
Watching them absolutely blow out the cocky 'Canes had to be a SPORTS
highlight for me, and witnessing that 'Bama defensive back chase down,
catch, and then strip that Miami wide receiver *clean* of the ball was
one of the greatest plays I've ever seen, ..... PERIOD!
- ACC Chris
|
29.272 | | CAM3::WAY | You can't polish a turd | Tue Dec 07 1993 16:14 | 24 |
| >
> 'Saw lasted years 'Bama season oughta keep Tide fans happy for *years*.
> Watching them absolutely blow out the cocky 'Canes had to be a SPORTS
> highlight for me, and witnessing that 'Bama defensive back chase down,
> catch, and then strip that Miami wide receiver *clean* of the ball was
> one of the greatest plays I've ever seen, ..... PERIOD!
I still get a stiffie when I think about that game 8^)
I had helped my brother move his girlfriend that day, and I got "prepped"
by having a very nice lunch and a couple of good brews in front of a
roaring fire in a pub near her new apartment.
By the time I got home that evening, I was tired, and actually thought of
not watching the game. But, self-discipline kicked in and I was treated
to one of the best games I've ever seen.
The amazing thing was how much Toretta's stock dropped because of that
one game......
What a memory!
'Saw
|
29.273 | I'll take 'Bama, but it's close... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue Dec 07 1993 16:21 | 16 |
|
Alabama's offense is pretty bad, but there's still enough left there on
defense to take out North Carolina. They fell apart late, but 'Bama
outplayed Florida for quite a while in the SEC Championship game,
bottling up one of the country's best offenses for most of the game.
That unintentional fake punt where 'Bama was all over the punter and
was looking at a huge blocked kick or sack only to let him escape for a
30-yard gain was an absolutely devastating turnabout on one play,
immediately followed up by the TD bomb. On the other hand, if you
can't score on Florida, you can't score on just about anyone, including
UNC. Watching David Palmer run around all over the field without any
pre-conceived idea of what he's going to do is pure enjoyment, but it's
not a very effective offensive scheme.
glenn
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29.274 | Roll Tide! | GENRAL::WADE | Pull! | Tue Dec 07 1993 18:20 | 9 |
|
Ayup, Bama is banged up but I doubt Stallings is going to
let them sleepwalk through their bowl game with NC.
That game last year was one to behold that's for sure.
I just loved watching Bama run it right down the 'Canes
trash talking throats!
Claybone
|
29.275 | | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | All products 100% buzzword compliant | Tue Dec 07 1993 18:31 | 9 |
29.276 | | MKFSA::LONG | T- 2 days and counting... | Tue Dec 07 1993 18:39 | 3 |
| The gallant knight tosses the gauntlet at the feet of the dastardly
villian, but before the villian can get to it, who's that, the town
fool scoops up the gauntlet. The duel is on...
|
29.277 | | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | All products 100% buzzword compliant | Tue Dec 07 1993 18:51 | 2 |
|
HEY! I resemble that remark...
|
29.278 | And no comment on WVU 6pt underdog to Fla? | AKOCOA::BREEN | Waite Hoyt and Tom Umphlett | Tue Dec 07 1993 19:13 | 1 |
|
|
29.279 | WVU could win that game, but probably won't... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue Dec 07 1993 19:37 | 18 |
|
> -< And no comment on WVU 6pt underdog to Fla? >-
In another season, it might be bigger (it'd be 10 if Tennessee were
representing the SEC). We've heard the criticisms of the Big-10 all
season long, but relative to the pre- and early-season rankings I
think the SEC is the truly overrated conference. They just don't
seem to be playing that usual hard-nosed, hard-hitting defense in the
SEC this year. Only Auburn really met or exceeded expectations, and
I think their season was just a bit fluky too, aided by the overall
weak schedule and by not having to play Tennessee. Florida seems to
be the standard (they beat Tennessee; lost a close, high-scoring
shoot-out to Auburn) and a team like Florida St. just flicked them
aside on their home field like a mere nuisance. The SEC might still
be the best but it hasn't been like some other recent seasons...
glenn
|
29.280 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | Homer,Plato,Voltaire,DanReeves | Tue Dec 07 1993 20:04 | 10 |
29.281 | | PTOVAX::JACOB | It happened again!!!!!! | Tue Dec 07 1993 20:11 | 7 |
| And what will be the duration of the pi$$ing and moaning because /er
fails to come thru on the REAL p_name that was bet on?????
(8^)*
JaKe
|
29.282 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | Homer,Plato,Voltaire,DanReeves | Tue Dec 07 1993 20:27 | 4 |
| Hey RaKe, this note is for those not afraid to make a mainly wager,
so take it back over to the Squeeler note!
/Don
|
29.283 | (8^0* | PTOVAX::JACOB | It happened again!!!!!! | Tue Dec 07 1993 20:30 | 12 |
|
>> Hey RaKe, this note is for those not afraid to make a mainly wager,
>>so take it back over to the Squeeler note!
And why then are you in here, wuss???? A REAL man would have said to
hell wif the spread and plunked down his cash/p_name wifout a
pointspread, but you, knowing the PATS was pitiful and would find a way
to lose no matter what, weren't ballsy enuf to go straight up, were
ya?????
JaKe
|
29.284 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | Homer,Plato,Voltaire,DanReeves | Tue Dec 07 1993 20:36 | 8 |
29.285 | | PTOVAX::JACOB | It happened again!!!!!! | Tue Dec 07 1993 21:03 | 15 |
|
>> You said the Squeelers
>>would demolish the Patriots but wouldn't give a mesely 10 points. If
Never used the words "demolish" "Maul" er anything like that, just said
they'd kick the Patsies into the river, what, with the lousy calls, and
the down to the lasted second thang, is about what happened.
I've never dealt my p-name bets in pernts, and never intend to, either.
If'n I don't think it's a fair bet straight up, I just bow out, I
don't cry fer pernts.
JaKe
|
29.286 | | VAXMKT::ROBICHAUD | Homer,Plato,Voltaire,DanReeves | Wed Dec 08 1993 16:52 | 4 |
| Gee RaKe, what a wimpy reply. I think you should send that Magic
Lantern shirt to somebody more deserving. Like Brews.
/Don
|
29.287 | Updated bowls | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Fri Dec 10 1993 13:07 | 37 |
29.288 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Fri Dec 10 1993 13:22 | 2 |
29.289 | possible excellent loss? | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Fri Dec 10 1993 13:27 | 0 |
29.290 | | MKFSA::LONG | The battle is joined... | Fri Dec 10 1993 13:42 | 3 |
| re Fla St-NE spread:
and #1 is the underdog....go figure.
|
29.291 | Noles might beat NE, too | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Fri Dec 10 1993 13:45 | 12 |
| > re Fla St-NE spread:
Billllll,
We appreciate your contribution about the Pats are but they're hardly #1
anywhere this side of Foxboro. ;-)
But yest, it is a little strange to see the #1 rated Huskers as a nearly
prohibitive dog. I guess them voters in the polls aren't bettors.
Remember, it's the wagering that driving this number up, up, and away.
TTom
|
29.292 | Bali Hai is calling | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Sun Dec 12 1993 12:01 | 4 |
| AT least ND finally is favored by at least a TD.
The Crazy Met
|
29.293 | NFL Week 16 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Tue Dec 14 1993 20:17 | 19 |
29.294 | College Hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Wed Dec 15 1993 16:15 | 5 |
29.295 | update NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Wed Dec 15 1993 16:16 | 19 |
29.296 | college hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Mon Dec 20 1993 17:16 | 9 |
29.297 | NFL Week 17 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Wed Dec 22 1993 17:26 | 19 |
29.298 | missed ??????? | ZUR01::JAUNIN | | Thu Dec 23 1993 06:39 | 23 |
29.300 | Updated bowl lines and over/unders | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Thu Dec 23 1993 17:48 | 53 |
29.301 | And #1'Huskers are a 17.5 dog. Ahcanhardlywait | CTHQ::LEARY | Corporate Telecom Technology Solutions | Thu Dec 23 1993 17:56 | 1 |
|
|
29.302 | small change | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Thu Dec 23 1993 18:00 | 5 |
29.303 | NFL week the lasted | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Tue Dec 28 1993 16:09 | 19 |
29.304 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue Dec 28 1993 16:37 | 6 |
| Houston only 7 against the Jets??
if Eagles still have a shot at the playoffs
on Monday night I would love to be able to
get those points.
The Crazy Met
|
29.305 | better watch out | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Tue Dec 28 1993 17:08 | 7 |
| Moon will probably not play against the Jets.
With the Philly game, taking the points may not be that bad a_idea. San
Francisco has nothing to win or gain by this game. Don't be too surprised
to see a lot of Bono instead of Young, who was yanked in the Oilers game.
TTom
|
29.306 | some movements | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Wed Dec 29 1993 17:28 | 7 |
| Couple of updates:
Friday:
minnesota 7 WASHINGTON
Sunday:
miami 0 NEW ENGLAND
|
29.307 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed Dec 29 1993 17:34 | 5 |
| > miami 0 NEW ENGLAND
this is a joke, right???
The Crazy Met
|
29.308 | truf | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Wed Dec 29 1993 17:41 | 12 |
| Noop. Right outta USA Today, by Danny Sheridan.
I guess this reflects the fact that the Dolphins coulda clinched by
winning any one of the lasted 4 games and dint. First, they lose at home
to the Giants, then the Steelers, and then Buffalo. Then they get drubbed
at San Diego.
The lasted time Miami won was courtesy of the Leon Lett gaff on Turkey
Day. Also, the QB position that had been seamlessly proficient, now aint
getting the job done. Mitchell looked real bad at the Chargers.
TTom
|
29.309 | Pats just a better team right now | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Wed Dec 29 1993 17:43 | 11 |
| I expected to see Miami remain a small (>=3) favorite but pickem is the
realistic spread. There is no free lunch in the betting world in this
mega information society.
Last week was the last chance to bank it big on a pats team with a top
defense and top offensive line. Perhaps this game in Miami would see
some of the pat's defensive secondary weaknesses slow them down. But,
in winter weather, Miami will need a miracle.
A realistic line would be pats +6.
|
29.310 | Miami hoping for a heat wave - 30's :-) | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed Dec 29 1993 17:46 | 6 |
| > A realistic line would be pats +6.
yabbut the line is "designed" for an even distribution of bets. reality often
has nothing to do with it.
The Crazy Met
|
29.311 | | NTASHA::MCKAY | | Wed Dec 29 1993 18:38 | 5 |
| Once again Danny Sheridan strikes!
Miami is an 8 point favorite with Vegas.
Jimbo
|
29.312 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed Dec 29 1993 18:41 | 8 |
| What is Sheridan's line on Miami?
TTom,
Of those in the Bowl contest how many took A&M and how many took
Arizona??
The Crazy Met
|
29.313 | Miami is a pick | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Thu Dec 30 1993 14:48 | 11 |
| I ain't tallied up all them bowl entries yet. I think I'll do it while
taping Howard Stern's New Year's extravaganza.
On the Miami line, I checked with 2 other sources: the local paper and
the Raleigh paper. Both of them agree with Sheridan/USA Today and have
this as a pick.
Also, ESPN is trying to spread a rumor that the Orange Bowl line moved to
14 but all I see is 17 or so.
TTom
|
29.314 | NFL over/unders | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Thu Dec 30 1993 15:54 | 21 |
29.315 | NFL Wild Cards | MSDOA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Tue Jan 04 1994 16:44 | 7 |
29.316 | NFL Division Playoffs | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Tue Jan 11 1994 13:42 | 10 |
29.317 | updated NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Fri Jan 14 1994 16:49 | 13 |
29.318 | Ontario lottery line interpretation | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Fri Jan 14 1994 18:54 | 11 |
| The Ontarios lottery pays winners by 4 or more. 3 or less is a tie.
So Dallas would pay (vs $1.00) 1.15 to win
Green Bay 3.60 to win
A tie 3.25
My approximations.
I thought I had a nice fat winner and then looked the next day and
found I had taken PITTSBURGH AGHHH over Seattle - how could I have
done that (In a hurry I guess).
|
29.319 | NFL Conference Playoffs | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Tue Jan 18 1994 14:46 | 11 |
29.320 | College hooops | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Tue Jan 18 1994 17:41 | 8 |
| College Hoops, where lines, spreads and odds are basic parts of the hype:
PURDUE 3 indiana
SYRACUSE 10 st. john's
massachusetts 6 DEPAUL
BOSTON COLLEGE 5 pittsburgh
SMU 0 texas tech
kentucky 5 FLORIDA
|
29.321 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue Jan 18 1994 17:52 | 5 |
| > PURDUE 3 indiana
when is the last time this happened??
The Crazy Met
|
29.322 | | DYPSS1::ROPER | Strawberry Fields Forever | Tue Jan 18 1994 18:01 | 15 |
| <<< Note 29.321 by METSNY::francus "Mets in '94" >>>
> PURDUE 3 indiana
>>when is the last time this happened??
Probably the last time was the Troy Lewis led Boilers in the late 80's.
Purdue was favored quite a few times in West Lafayette in the late 70's
- early 80's with the likes of Joe Barry Carrol and Jerry Sichting(sp).
BTW, Purdue shouldn't be favored tonight IMO. I'd take IU and the
points.
- Rope
|
29.323 | | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Jan 18 1994 18:08 | 7 |
| If I thought betting lines had any place in college hoops I'd be
awfully tempted to jump on Florida (at home) getting five (5). The
Gators have been one tough unit this year, led by their extraordarily
tough coach Lonnie Kruger.
- ACC Chris
|
29.324 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue Jan 18 1994 18:24 | 5 |
| Crisp
you would lose if you did that.
The Crazy Met
|
29.325 | Right in "The Line" section | ANGLIN::WIERSBECK | ChildsIsWrong-ReevesIsGOD! | Tue Jan 18 1994 18:51 | 5 |
| Actually, the Chicago Trib lists Purdue as a six point favorite
tonight.
Spud
|
29.326 | Superbowl | HBAHBA::HAAS | Party when you can, rock til you drop | Wed Jan 26 1994 16:00 | 3 |
29.327 | take the over | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed Jan 26 1994 17:29 | 5 |
| hey TTom, just what I said the over would be.
50 for over, wow - highest ever for a SB??
The Crazy Met
|
29.328 | NFL Pro Bowl | HBAHBA::HAAS | I Shun You, Version 3 for Windows | Wed Feb 02 1994 19:07 | 4 |
| By popular demand:
AFC 0 NFC
over/under: 40
|
29.329 | ACC tourney odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | xen yen zen | Tue Mar 08 1994 15:11 | 12 |
| Odds *AGAINST* winning Atlantic Coast Conference tournament:
No Carolina 2:1
Duke 2:1
Wake Forest 6:1
Georgia Tech 10:1
Virginia 25:1
Maryland 30:1
Clemson 100:1
Florida St 100:1
NC State 250:1
|
29.330 | College hoops tourneys | HBAHBA::HAAS | xen yen zen | Thu Mar 10 1994 16:15 | 11 |
29.331 | NCAA Regionals | HBAHBA::HAAS | xen yen zen | Tue Mar 22 1994 13:53 | 27 |
29.332 | seem low to me | CNTROL::CHILDS | Dean's gone fishin' | Tue Mar 22 1994 14:05 | 5 |
|
I love the overs in the Michigan/Maryland and Arkansas/Tulsa games...
mike
|
29.333 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue Mar 22 1994 14:26 | 5 |
| hmm, no 10+ point spreads. would have expected Arkansa/Tulsa to be higher.
Also Duke/Marquette and Michigan/Maryland.
The Crazy Met
|
29.334 | | MIMS::ROLLINS_R | | Tue Mar 22 1994 14:29 | 6 |
| >I love the overs in the Michigan/Maryland and Arkansas/Tulsa games...
It would take a 90-82 score in the Arkansas/Tulsa game to make the over.
Their earlier meeting this year was 93-90, in overtime, so I think that
the line is right about where the score will be. To me, it would be very
hard to bet the over on that game.
|
29.335 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Dean's gone fishin' | Tue Mar 22 1994 14:58 | 10 |
|
I agree Rick, that this the tougher of the two lines to cover but either
team is capable of putting 100 on the board and given that Tulsa is better
now than earlier and after the Georgetown slowdown, Arkansas should relish
running up and down I feel good about it. Of course I won't be putting any
$$$$ on it so it makes it easier to say I love the line........
;^)
mike
|
29.336 | Final Four Semis | HBAHBA::HAAS | xen yen zen | Tue Mar 29 1994 14:25 | 13 |
29.337 | NITs | HBAHBA::HAAS | The karma ran over my dogma | Wed Mar 30 1994 15:08 | 4 |
29.338 | Villanova should toast Billy and the Commodores | AKOCOA::BREEN | Till Time Shall be no More | Wed Mar 30 1994 16:04 | 2 |
| I would bet the house on 'nova getting 2+. this is a strange line or
is it SEC hysteria
|
29.339 | | DYPSS1::ROPER | Take a Sad Song and Make it Better | Wed Mar 30 1994 16:06 | 5 |
| Must be that same SEC hysteria that has 2 teams in the NCAA Final 4.
:-),
Rope
|
29.340 | fever - hysteria; lots of excitement in dixie | AKOCOA::BREEN | Till Time Shall be no More | Wed Mar 30 1994 16:11 | 5 |
| I should have said SEC fever. But its a long way from the likes of
Arkansas to Vandy.
Villanova is an up and coming outfit who started slowly this year.
Perhaps we'll sea an exciting game with NIT refs letting them play.
|
29.341 | | DYPSS1::ROPER | Take a Sad Song and Make it Better | Wed Mar 30 1994 16:17 | 9 |
| >> I should have said SEC fever...
Just giving you a hard time :-) Vanderbilt was a huge disappointment in
the SEC this season. With McCaffery and Lawson returning they were
expected to challenge for the Easten Division Title. Kentucky had 2
easy games with Vandy this year which was hardly the case a year
earlier even with Mashburn, Dent, Brown, etc.
- Rope
|
29.342 | NBA on a monday | HBAHBA::HAAS | The karma ran over my dogma | Mon Apr 11 1994 17:57 | 7 |
29.343 | NBA tonight | HBAHBA::HAAS | Saturn sheets | Wed Apr 20 1994 16:37 | 7 |
29.344 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed Apr 20 1994 16:42 | 9 |
| the way the Wolves have been playing against the contenders they should
start at 20 point underdogs.
The Crazy Met
> MILWAUKEE 4 detroit
game of the night?? :-)
|
29.345 | inconsistent | HBAHBA::HAAS | Saturn sheets | Wed Apr 20 1994 16:51 | 8 |
| Crazy,
It's professional sports at crunch times so you gotta figure anything
can happen. Some teams are playing for playoff positions and some are
playing for lottery positions. Who ever needs it the most won't get it
done is how it usually works...
TTom
|
29.346 | Ugly | ANGLIN::WIERSBECK | Twins ERA=Enormous Runs Allowed | Wed Apr 20 1994 20:18 | 5 |
| TCM's correct. The Woofies are down by 20 after the first quarter
night in and night out these days.
Spud
|
29.347 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Saturn sheets | Thu Apr 21 1994 16:39 | 7 |
29.348 | sorry TTom, go Heat! | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Thu Apr 21 1994 16:41 | 7 |
29.349 | ... by your enemies... | HBAHBA::HAAS | Saturn sheets | Thu Apr 21 1994 16:44 | 3 |
| I feel better now that you're on their bandwagon...
TTom
|
29.350 | Holyfield-Moorer | HBAHBA::HAAS | Saturn sheets | Thu Apr 21 1994 21:58 | 5 |
29.351 | NBA Odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | Saturn sheets | Mon Apr 25 1994 14:19 | 17 |
| Odds against winning NBA Championship
Seattle 3:1
New York 5:1
Phoenix 7:1
Houston 7:1
Atlanta 8:1
Chicago 9:1
San Antonio 10:1
Orlando 50:1
Cleveland 75:1
Utah 100:1
Golden State 150:1
Portland 250:1
Indiana 500:1
New Jersey 750:1
Miami 1000:1
Denver 5280:1 (sic)
|
29.352 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Mon Apr 25 1994 15:57 | 4 |
| NY that much higher than Atlanta?? that doesn't make sense.
The Crazy Met
|
29.353 | -1 the thread continueth... | CTHQ::LEARY | It'sBeenALongTimeComing... | Mon Apr 25 1994 15:59 | 1 |
|
|
29.354 | Riley | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Mon Apr 25 1994 17:02 | 5 |
| I guess, since we're dealing with opinions of the betters rather than
trying to predict the outcome, this spread is skewed because of Pat
Riley's previous experiences.
TTom
|
29.355 | | FRETZ::HEISER | no D in Phoenix | Mon Apr 25 1994 17:27 | 1 |
| ...and the Knicks have one of the best defenses.
|
29.356 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Mon Apr 25 1994 18:47 | 6 |
| re: .354
you meant bettors, right??
The Crazy Met
|
29.357 | First Round NBA, times, TV, too. | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Tue Apr 26 1994 17:15 | 25 |
29.358 | Playoffs means better defense | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | UMass - 1995 NCAA Champs! | Wed Apr 27 1994 14:42 | 6 |
| I like the over in the Orlando game, and the under in every other
game.
That's if I were a betting man, of course!
NAZZ
|
29.359 | It's hard to be too cynical where hoopla is concerned | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Wed Apr 27 1994 20:51 | 6 |
| I have a theory that the nba will want to showcase Orlando and Shaq.
I have picked them as surprise in East but once in finals easy pickings
for seattle in 6.
Let's hope I'm way too cynical about nba
|
29.360 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Wed Apr 27 1994 20:59 | 8 |
| re: .359
Based on the stuff flying back and
forth in 27, cynicism seems to be the prevalent mood today.
So welcome to the crowd.
The Crazy Met
|
29.361 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Tue May 03 1994 19:06 | 5 |
29.362 | tonight NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Thu May 05 1994 14:39 | 4 |
29.363 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | I need a vacation! | Thu May 05 1994 21:08 | 6 |
| Denver is on Sport Channel (regional) or pay per view in Denver area.
Pay per view $$$ goes to charity. Not sure why TBS/TNT isn't picking
it up. Maybe they thought the Seattle would have won it by now.
Tim
|
29.364 | | HANNAH::ASHE | Home of the driveby noter... | Thu May 05 1994 21:10 | 2 |
| Braves must be on..
|
29.365 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | I need a vacation! | Thu May 05 1994 21:16 | 3 |
| Great, more baseball, and Basketball not over yet.
Tj
|
29.366 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Fri May 06 1994 14:49 | 3 |
29.367 | Da Derby | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Fri May 06 1994 14:57 | 17 |
| PP Horse Odds
-------------------------------------
1 Soul Of The Matter 20-1
2 Valiant Nature 12-1
3 Powis Castle 30-1
4 Holly Bull 8-5
5 Strodes Creek 8-1
6 Go For Gin 15-1
7 Tabasco Cat 6-1
8 Brocco 3-1
9 Southern Rhythm 15-1
10 Blumin Affair 15-1
11 Kandaly 30-1
12 Ulises 30-1 (Field)
13 Mahogany Hall 30-1 (Field)
14 Smilin Singin Sam 30-1 (Field)
15 Meadow Flight 30-1 (Field)
|
29.368 | | MKFSA::LONG | Two score ain't so bad | Fri May 06 1994 15:11 | 7 |
| >> 6 Go For Gin 15-1
Now how can anyone in ::SPROTS not be pulling for this horse?!
billl
|
29.369 | I heard that! | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Fri May 06 1994 15:22 | 0 |
29.370 | go figure... | MKFSA::LONG | Two score ain't so bad | Sat May 07 1994 23:40 | 8 |
| re .368:
I can't belive I made this call days before the race and wasn't
smart enough to put a dime on it!
billl
|
29.371 | we're all kicking | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Mon May 09 1994 13:31 | 2 |
| He paid generously to boot. In a year of hunches (I'm thinking of bc's
3) this was a natural.
|
29.372 | All this waxing poetic's gotsta stop!! 8^) | CTHQ::LEARY | It'sBeenALongTimeComing... | Mon May 09 1994 13:39 | 8 |
| >> In a year of hunches (I'm thinking of bc's
>> 3) ^^^^
^^
Awww shaddap already willya!
MikeL
|
29.373 | tomorrow NBA round 2 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Mon May 09 1994 19:18 | 6 |
29.374 | more Round 2 NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Tue May 10 1994 14:00 | 24 |
29.375 | Playoff basketball means less scoring | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | UMass - 1995 NCAA Champs! | Tue May 10 1994 15:17 | 4 |
| If I were a betting man, I'd mortgage my house on the UNDER on all
four of these games.
NAZZ
|
29.376 | scoring so far | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Tue May 10 1994 15:44 | 42 |
| Here's the scoring for the firsted round:
Series Conf All
Miami 93 Atlanta 88 181
Atlanta 104 Miami 86 190
Miami 90 Atlanta 86 176
Atlanta 103 Miami 89 192
Atlanta 102 Miami 91 193 186.40
------
New York 91 New Jersey 80 171
New York 90 New Jersey 81 171
New Jersey 93 New York 92 185
New York 102 New Jersey 92 194 180.25
------
Chicago 104 Cleveland 96 200
Chicago 105 Cleveland 96 201
Chicago 95 Cleveland 92 187 196.00
------
Indiana 89 Orlando 88 177
Indiana 103 Orlando 101 204
Indiana 99 Orlando 86 185 188.67 187.83
------
Seattle 106 Denver 82 188
Seattle 97 Denver 87 184
Denver 110 Seattle 93 203
Denver 94 Seattle 85 179
Denver 98 Seattle 94 192 189.20
------
Houston 114 Portland 104 218
Houston 115 Portland 104 219
Portland 118 Houston 115 233
Houston 92 Portland 89 181 212.75
------
Phoenix 111 Golden State 104 215
Phoenix 117 Golden State 111 228
Phoenix 140 Golden State 133 273 238.67
------
San Antonio 106 Utah 89 195
Utah 96 San Antonio 84 180
Utah 105 San Antonio 72 177
Utah 95 San Antonio 90 185 184.25 206.22 197.02
------
|
29.377 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Tue May 10 1994 16:09 | 4 |
| wow 20 pts/game more scoring in the West.
The Crazy Met
|
29.378 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Wed May 18 1994 15:16 | 4 |
29.379 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Thu May 19 1994 14:25 | 9 |
29.380 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Thu May 19 1994 15:24 | 6 |
| > DENVER 2 utah
who'd have thunk it.
The Crazy Met
|
29.381 | | PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF | | Thu May 19 1994 15:53 | 8 |
| >> DENVER 2 utah
>who'd have thunk it.
I believe this is the first time they've been the favorite in a playoff
game. Go Nuggets !!
Keith
|
29.382 | maybe | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Thu May 19 1994 16:17 | 4 |
| The way Utah is reeling and fighting, this could be a rout for the
Nuggets.
TTom
|
29.383 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Thu May 19 1994 17:11 | 11 |
| TTom,
maybe you can answer this. At the GR last night we were talking about teams
coming back from 3-0 deficits. It has happened in the NHL but not in the
NBA or in baseball. The question was how many teams that were down 3-0
managed to even get to a game 6? I know the Islanders got to a game 7 against
the Flyers in 1975 after being down 3-0 (also the year they did beat the Pens
after being down 3-0).
The Crazy Met
|
29.384 | sorry | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Thu May 19 1994 17:16 | 4 |
| Sorry, Crazy, I aint no kinda hookie expert. We dint have a lot of it
back there in West Virginee.
TTom
|
29.385 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Thu May 19 1994 17:46 | 4 |
| I was asking about basketball.
The Crazy Met
|
29.386 | again, sorry | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Thu May 19 1994 18:42 | 12 |
| >... It has happened in the NHL but not in the
>NBA or in baseball. ...
This seemed to be a statement of fack that includes basketball.
But I don't know this one either.
The stat of the day is that no team has won a_NBA playoff series after
losing the first 2 home games since '69 when the Lakers pulled one out.
Houston could repeat this one.
TTom
|
29.387 | | METSNY::francus | Mets in '94 | Thu May 19 1994 18:48 | 9 |
| Lakers did it against the Warriors(?)
In baseball the 1985 Royals and 1986 Mets are the only teams to pull
that off.
As far as coming back from 3-0, has never happened in the NBA.
The Crazy Met
|
29.388 | | MSE1::FRANCUS | Mets in '94 | Fri May 20 1994 14:35 | 4 |
| Whats the line for Jazz-Nuggets game 7?
The Crazy Met
|
29.389 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Fri May 20 1994 15:24 | 4 |
29.390 | Western Semis | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Mon May 23 1994 17:45 | 5 |
| Tonight's NBA, round the next:
HOUSTON 6 utah 9 TNT
over/under 188
series odds Houston, 5:2
|
29.391 | Eastern Conf | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Tue May 24 1994 14:03 | 4 |
| Second Third Round:
NEW YORK 5 indiana 8 TNT
over/under 178
series odds New York, 5:2
|
29.392 | more NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Wed May 25 1994 17:57 | 3 |
| NBA:
HOUSTON 6 utah 9 TNT
over/under 187
|
29.393 | Knicks-Pacers | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Thu May 26 1994 14:30 | 3 |
29.394 | Jazz-Rockets | HBAHBA::HAAS | Maybe too much Goody's Powder | Fri May 27 1994 12:16 | 3 |
29.395 | NBA Finals | HBAHBA::HAAS | Ate a hot dog, made me feel good | Tue Jun 07 1994 16:53 | 6 |
| NBA Finals, Wednesday:
HOUSTON 6 new york
over/under 181
Game 1 odds Houston, 5:2
Series odds Houston, 2:1
|
29.396 | Football | HBAHBA::HAAS | Survived another baseball season | Mon Jul 25 1994 14:33 | 21 |
29.397 | Preseason football odds? | OPTION::LAZARUS | David Lazarus @KYO,323-4353 | Mon Jul 25 1994 15:33 | 1 |
| How anyone can bet on preseason football is beyond me.
|
29.398 | a tradition | HBAHBA::HAAS | Survived another baseball season | Mon Jul 25 1994 15:43 | 6 |
| I think it's more a matter of everyone wanting to "play" some football.
Preseason wagering, while arguably a shaky prospect at best, is a
tradition since they started televising these games.
TTom
|
29.399 | Baseball's the betting sport of the high rollers | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Mon Jul 25 1994 16:00 | 7 |
| reminds me of the guy that bet four afternoon football games, lost them
all, then the four late games, lost them all too. So his friend says
"There's a hockey game at 8, why don't you try to recover your money on
it"
The guy responded "You stupid idiot, I don't know nothin about hockey"
|
29.400 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Mon Jul 25 1994 16:01 | 8 |
|
>> How anyone can bet on preseason football is beyond me.
In one barroom in town several patrons had a pool on which
famous old geezer would kick off first. One guy had Frank
Sinatra, another had Ronald Reagan, another had Mickey Rooney,
etc. Some people will bet on anything.
|
29.401 | | CAMONE::WAY | Engine room hand, goes down with ship | Mon Jul 25 1994 16:04 | 19 |
| > In one barroom in town several patrons had a pool on which
> famous old geezer would kick off first. One guy had Frank
> Sinatra, another had Ronald Reagan, another had Mickey Rooney,
> etc. Some people will bet on anything.
When I was in the fire department, if a firefighter got cut, we'd have
a pool on how many stitches the guy would need.
We'd bet on whether or not folks would make it when they got hauled in
on the ambulance....
It sounds gruesome, but in this case it was a way of dealing with some
heavy duty things......
'Saw
|
29.402 | | HELIX::MAIEWSKI | | Mon Jul 25 1994 16:46 | 7 |
| ... and then there are the sailors who bet on which link in the chain will
stop at a certain point when they drop anchor.
And of course if all else fails, find a couple crows sitting on a fence and
bet on which one will take off 1st.
George
|
29.403 | | HANNAH::ASHE | Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm mmmm (repeat) | Mon Jul 25 1994 16:51 | 3 |
| Dinah Shore was a favorite there for a while... Bob Hope's got to be
up soon..
|
29.404 | | CAMONE::WAY | Engine room hand, goes down with ship | Mon Jul 25 1994 17:12 | 1 |
| Meantime, George Burns is like the Eveready Bunny....
|
29.405 | Of course Id never make that bet if I was dowon | MR1PST::CBULLS::MBROOKS | | Mon Jul 25 1994 19:30 | 8 |
| .399 Thats a great one...
I use to work in a sub shop in high school and one of the managers
was also a small time bookey... I was having a good weekend (Up about
300) so he bet me $100 that a girl would walk in the sub shop next, I
took it and made another quick 100 when a guy walked thru the door...
mab
|
29.406 | I'd bet sprots are >50% the latter | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Mon Jul 25 1994 20:07 | 4 |
| People seem to be divided on those who remember their losers and those
who remember their winners.
Myself, I had the raiders in the miraculous reception game
|
29.407 | more football | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sorry, wrong species. | Fri Jul 29 1994 14:51 | 10 |
29.408 | | HANNAH::ASHE | | Fri Jul 29 1994 17:02 | 2 |
| Albany's an underdog? Take the over in this game... and the 'birds...
|
29.409 | preseason NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sorry, wrong species. | Tue Aug 02 1994 17:21 | 21 |
29.410 | Just Curious | MR1PST::CBULLS::MBROOKS | | Tue Aug 02 1994 19:56 | 1 |
| anyone have the TV Schedule for this weekend's preseason games ?
|
29.411 | Monday preseason NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sorry, wrong species. | Mon Aug 15 1994 16:20 | 4 |
29.412 | NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sorry, wrong species. | Mon Aug 22 1994 15:11 | 3 |
| Almost another Monday Night Football:
KANSAS CITY 6 chicago
|
29.413 | Real College | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sorry, wrong species. | Mon Aug 22 1994 15:12 | 11 |
29.414 | | BIGQ::MCKAY | | Mon Aug 22 1994 17:03 | 4 |
| An early prediction from IMJIMBO. Give the 16.5 points and laugh
all the way to the bank. Huskers by about 38.
Jimbo
|
29.415 | | METSNY::francus | Baseball in 94? 95? :-( | Mon Aug 22 1994 17:30 | 4 |
| guess it's time to bet the house on WVU :-)
The Crazy Met
|
29.416 | prediction: 33-10 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sorry, wrong species. | Mon Aug 22 1994 17:37 | 5 |
| I'm with Jimbo on this one. I don't know about 30 but I don't see the
Mountaineers stopping Nebraska at all. So about the onliest chance they
have is to keep matching scores.
TTom
|
29.417 | | PTOVAX::SCHRAMM | | Mon Aug 22 1994 20:13 | 3 |
| hmm....they said the same thing when WVU went to Oklahoma for the first
game of the season a few years back (that they were going to get blown
out). I think the line is pretty accurate.
|
29.418 | College Football | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sorry, wrong species. | Wed Aug 31 1994 15:56 | 32 |
29.419 | NFL Week 1 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sorry, wrong species. | Wed Aug 31 1994 15:57 | 17 |
29.420 | ex | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Wed Aug 31 1994 16:08 | 4 |
|
>> MIAMI nl new england Anybody got a line?
The Boston Globe has it at Miami giving the Pats 5.
|
29.421 | | MKFSA::LONG | It ain't over til it's over, maybe | Wed Aug 31 1994 16:09 | 7 |
| >> MIAMI nl new england Anybody got a line?
That's probably because Bledsoe spent the night in the hospital.
billl
|
29.422 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | What a terrible year 1918 | Wed Aug 31 1994 16:11 | 8 |
|
So, seeing that Zolak is the better QB does that mean the line
will be at 3? :-)
Chap
|
29.423 | Hold the plane | QUASER::JACKSONTA | Chapter 11? | Sat Sep 03 1994 14:26 | 9 |
| Make that 34
I'll take washington to cover.
I haven't had a chance to get in here this week.
Tim
Quaser::Jacksonta
|
29.424 | NFL week 2 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sorry, wrong species. | Thu Sep 08 1994 14:29 | 17 |
29.425 | College feetball | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sorry, wrong species. | Thu Sep 08 1994 14:30 | 35 |
29.426 | Lotsa money coming in on the Pats | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | Will edit for food | Thu Sep 08 1994 18:00 | 3 |
| Hmmmmmmm. Buffalo started the week as a 1 pt favorite!
NAZZ
|
29.427 | Bad O Line | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sorry, wrong species. | Thu Sep 08 1994 18:05 | 6 |
| Nazz,
They be gettin some bad ink about their lack of offenseive line.
Apparently, they're still shuffling it.
TTom
|
29.428 | Is Kelley healthy? | 25022::BREEN | It ain't necessarily so | Thu Sep 08 1994 18:23 | 2 |
| Kelley had some kind of injury in the Jets game. That kind of movement
usually indicates doubt about the qb
|
29.429 | some odds on the season | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sorry, wrong species. | Thu Sep 08 1994 18:55 | 66 |
29.430 | | MKFSA::LONG | Strive for five! | Thu Sep 08 1994 19:07 | 8 |
29.431 | and another | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sorry, wrong species. | Thu Sep 08 1994 19:15 | 3 |
| How 'bout Buffalo and Denver both losing. Maybe that's a_under too.
TTom
|
29.432 | NFL Week 3 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sorry, wrong species. | Tue Sep 13 1994 14:13 | 17 |
29.433 | College Football | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sorry, wrong species. | Tue Sep 13 1994 14:13 | 36 |
29.434 | | BIGQ::MCKAY | | Tue Sep 13 1994 14:30 | 3 |
| Duke vs. Army is the Thursday night game. I can hardly wait......
Jimbo
|
29.435 | someone cares | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sorry, wrong species. | Tue Sep 13 1994 15:18 | 4 |
| FWIW, the early line was 10 but has moved to 15. Somebody has some
interest in it, albeit on the Duke side.
TTom
|
29.436 | | METSNY::francus | Baseball in 94? 95? :-( | Tue Sep 13 1994 16:01 | 6 |
|
Still can't believe Buffalo is an underdog again this week. When is
the last time they were underdogs in consecutive weeks?
The Crazy Met
|
29.437 | NFL Week #4 | HBAHBA::HAAS | austalopithecus westvirginius | Thu Sep 22 1994 13:30 | 18 |
29.438 | College Football | HBAHBA::HAAS | austalopithecus westvirginius | Thu Sep 22 1994 13:30 | 37 |
29.439 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | Yes I Am !!! | Thu Sep 22 1994 13:58 | 6 |
|
Buffalo's finally a favorite by 8 over the 'Donks. The BC/Pitt game has
NL because BC hasn't decided who is going to start at QB with Hartsell
out this week.
Ron
|
29.440 | NFL WEEK 5 | HBAHBA::HAAS | australopithecus westvirginius | Wed Sep 28 1994 13:35 | 18 |
29.441 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | australopithecus westvirginius | Wed Sep 28 1994 13:36 | 40 |
29.442 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Wed Sep 28 1994 14:57 | 2 |
| Amazing that only 4 NFL home teams are the favorites this week. Looks
like that bye week in Denver is gonna be hell for Wade.
|
29.443 | updated College Football | HBAHBA::HAAS | australopithecus westvirginius | Fri Sep 30 1994 16:27 | 37 |
29.444 | NFL Week 6 | HBAHBA::HAAS | australopithecus westvirginius | Tue Oct 04 1994 13:15 | 19 |
29.445 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | australopithecus westvirginius | Tue Oct 04 1994 13:15 | 41 |
29.446 | NFL Week 7 | HBAHBA::HAAS | australopithecus westvirginius | Tue Oct 11 1994 13:55 | 19 |
29.447 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | australopithecus westvirginius | Tue Oct 11 1994 13:55 | 41 |
29.448 | | METSNY::francus | There is no joy in Mudville | Tue Oct 11 1994 15:47 | 8 |
| Florida by 16 over Auburn???????? Have they gone bonkers.
why nl with NU and KST?
Denver over KC?
The Crazy Met
|
29.449 | | 56821::NISKALA | Moisten needle before inserting. | Tue Oct 11 1994 16:05 | 4 |
| NL on NU/KSU due to the unknown status of Berringer or whomever
will be the Husker QB. I did see one line that had NU as a 9 point
favorite, though.
|
29.450 | could be | HBAHBA::HAAS | australopithecus westvirginius | Tue Oct 11 1994 16:41 | 21 |
| >Florida by 16 over Auburn???????? Have they gone bonkers.
There are several reasons that won could infer. Firsted of all, it's at
the Swamp which traditionally is worth about a TD for the Gators. Also,
Auburn has been beaten by the bomb which may make them real vulnerable to
Florida's passing game.
Finally, one could consider the following scores:
auburn 22, MISSISSIPPI 17
florida 38, MISSISSIPPI 14
AUBURN 30, lsu 26
FLORIDA 42, lsu 18
florida 31, TENNESSEE 0
But, then again, that's why they call it something that you do for
entertainment and fun, only.
TTom
|
29.451 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Tue Oct 11 1994 16:46 | 1 |
| WSU will beat Nogales Tech.
|
29.452 | updated College | HBAHBA::HAAS | australopithecus westvirginius | Fri Oct 14 1994 12:20 | 41 |
29.453 | | 57042::francus | There is no joy in Mudville | Fri Oct 14 1994 13:32 | 4 |
| I'll take Temple +28
The Crazy Met
|
29.454 | | MKFSA::LONG | Strive for five! | Fri Oct 14 1994 16:10 | 7 |
| >>I'll take Temple +28
Whatsamatta Craze, haven't lost a p-name bet in the last month
and feeling lonely?
billl
|
29.455 | NFL Week 8 | HBAHBA::HAAS | been to the mountain tops | Tue Oct 18 1994 13:24 | 17 |
29.456 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | been to the mountain tops | Tue Oct 18 1994 13:25 | 38 |
29.457 | College update | HBAHBA::HAAS | been to the mountain tops | Thu Oct 20 1994 15:12 | 6 |
29.458 | Heisman Odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | been to the mountain tops | Fri Oct 21 1994 11:29 | 14 |
| Danny Sheridan's/USA Today odds against winning the Heisman Trophy:
Rashaan Salaam, Colorado 2:1
Ki-Jana Carter, Penn St 2:1
Napoleon Kaufman, Washington 3:1
Lawrence Phillips, Nebraska 4:1
Tyrone Wheatley, Michigan 6:1
Eric Zeier, Georgia 7:1
Kordell Steward, Colorado 10:1
Kerry Collings, Penn St 15:1
Chad May, Kansas St 20:1
Steve McNair, Alcorn St 25:1
Jay Barker, Alabama 50:1
Sherman Williams, Alabama 50:1
|
29.459 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Fri Oct 21 1994 15:28 | 1 |
| Did I ever tell you the story about how that award was named after me?
|
29.460 | Heisermain Trophy | FXTROT::ALLEMANG | | Fri Oct 21 1994 16:17 | 10 |
|
> Did I ever tell you the story about how that award was named after me?
I think so. Something about always rooting for whoever is currently the
best? Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk...
Your neighbor,
Greg
|
29.461 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Fri Oct 21 1994 17:25 | 4 |
| yeah, thanks a lot neighbor!
I think you confused the Heisman Award with the Doc 00:00
Bandwagoneer Trophy.
|
29.462 | Heiser :== WardleVane | HBAHBA::HAAS | been to the mountain tops | Fri Oct 21 1994 17:51 | 0 |
29.463 | Haas :== RCASO | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Fri Oct 21 1994 18:11 | 1 |
|
|
29.464 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Fri Oct 21 1994 18:19 | 10 |
|
Every ::SPORTster knows that The Heisermain Award is given
out annually to that noter who brags about his team's offseason
moves, gloats over his team's pre-season record, raves about
their regular season performance, predicts great things for
the playofss, loses heart when things get rough, practically
slits his/her wrists when that team loses and six months later
tries to explain that they really should have won the titile
but were either jobbed out of it or the other team was lucky.
Groaner with his Browns is this year's frontrunner for the award.
|
29.465 | hahahhahahahahaha! | MKFSA::LONG | Strive for five! | Fri Oct 21 1994 18:24 | 6 |
| re.464:
Tommy, you slay me!
billl
|
29.466 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | What a terrible year 1918 | Fri Oct 21 1994 18:47 | 3 |
|
:-)
|
29.467 | false generalizations = lies | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Fri Oct 21 1994 19:02 | 6 |
| > Every ::SPORTster knows...
This is your first clue that you don't have one.
glad to help,
Mike
|
29.468 | pick 'em | HBAHBA::HAAS | been to the mountain tops | Mon Oct 24 1994 14:38 | 3 |
| early big game line:
NEBRASKA 0 colorado
|
29.469 | | BIGQ::MCKAY | | Mon Oct 24 1994 16:00 | 2 |
| Have to love that line. Nebraska not giving points at home. I will
not put the NC jinx on the Huskers though.
|
29.470 | | 57042::francus | There is no joy in Mudville | Mon Oct 24 1994 16:44 | 5 |
|
so that means that on a neutral field CU would be favored by 3??
The Crazy Met
|
29.471 | yep | HBAHBA::HAAS | been to the mountain tops | Mon Oct 24 1994 16:51 | 0 |
29.472 | NFL week 9 | HBAHBA::HAAS | been to the mountain tops | Tue Oct 25 1994 13:25 | 22 |
29.473 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | been to the mountain tops | Tue Oct 25 1994 13:25 | 39 |
29.474 | Pats favored | HBAHBA::HAAS | been to the mountain tops | Fri Oct 28 1994 18:28 | 4 |
29.475 | | PTOS02::JACOBR | Save a sheep, neuter a W.Virginian!! | Fri Oct 28 1994 18:44 | 5 |
| ALso, all the rags I've seen have the line of the Pgh-Arizona game at
Arizona being favored by 2 over the STEELERS.
JaKe
|
29.476 | where wuz you guys a couple of days ago | HBAHBA::HAAS | been to the mountain tops | Fri Oct 28 1994 18:49 | 0 |
29.477 | | BIGQ::MCKAY | | Fri Oct 28 1994 18:52 | 5 |
| sleepin at the switch 8*) If the contestants had all sent me
their picks before 3pm on friday I would have checked then. Since
I had to wait for =Bob= ,oops, I didn't check until now
Jimbo
|
29.478 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | The dream is always the same... | Fri Oct 28 1994 22:36 | 5 |
29.479 | | PTOS02::JACOBR | Save a sheep, neuter a W.Virginian!! | Fri Oct 28 1994 22:48 | 9 |
|
>>that the human bowling pin was claiming was a free win for the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Groaner, leave yer family out of this, huh??
JaKe
|
29.480 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Mon Oct 31 1994 13:39 | 7 |
| > Arizona favored over Pittsburgh, is this the same Arizona team
> that the human bowling pin was claiming was a free win for the
> MIGHTY DAWGS!?
To be fair, it isn't the same AZ team. They've made many changes since
then, one of which is that the human bowling pin finally realized who his
best QB was.
|
29.481 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | The Donks are a premier NFL team, and they own the Dawgs | Mon Oct 31 1994 14:09 | 5 |
29.482 | ealy lines of conference matchups | HBAHBA::HAAS | been to the mountain tops | Mon Oct 31 1994 16:07 | 67 |
29.483 | Independents | HBAHBA::HAAS | been to the mountain tops | Mon Oct 31 1994 16:13 | 11 |
| I guess I might as well show the independents, too:
boston college 4 LOUISVILLE
FLORIDA 29 southern miss
air force 14 ARMY
AUBURN 16 east carolina
MISSISSIPPI 8 memphis
TULANE 9 navy
NOTRE DAME bye
TULSA bye
|
29.484 | NFL Week 10 | HBAHBA::HAAS | been to the mountain tops | Tue Nov 01 1994 13:02 | 21 |
29.485 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | been to the mountain tops | Tue Nov 01 1994 13:02 | 35 |
29.486 | Atlanta-San Diego still 1, but ... | HBAHBA::HAAS | been to the mountain tops | Wed Nov 02 1994 17:47 | 8 |
| The Atlanta-San Diego game is still showing both ways.
USA Today has Atlanta favored by 1 while the local rag has the Chargers
favored by 1.
I'm sticking with the Atlanta -1 cause that's the one I usually use.
TTom
|
29.487 | Anybody have the lines yet? | 25022::BREEN | | Tue Nov 08 1994 16:39 | 1 |
|
|
29.488 | NFL Week 11 | SCOONE::MCCULLOUGH | Hakuna Matata - means no worries... | Wed Nov 09 1994 12:39 | 17 |
| From "America's Line" printed in today's Worcester T&G:
Vikings 2.5 PATRIOTS
CHEIFS 3 Chargers
DOLPHINS 7 Bears
EAGLES 6.5 Browns
GIANTS pick Arizona
SAINTS 2.5 Falcons
BENGALS 1 Oilers
49ERS 3 Cowboys
PACKERS 6 Jets
BRONCOS 6 Seahawks
Raiders 3 RAMS
LIONS 10 Bucaneers
Monday
STEELERS 1.5 Bills
|
29.489 | NFL Week 11 | HBAHBA::HAAS | been to the mountain tops | Wed Nov 09 1994 13:46 | 16 |
29.490 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | been to the mountain tops | Wed Nov 09 1994 13:47 | 41 |
29.491 | notre dame and bc look good this week | 25022::BREEN | | Wed Nov 09 1994 20:11 | 6 |
| I'll use ttom's per usual.
A catholic parley seems in order topped with NE Pats; now I need one
more to fill out my card, 49ers?
bte
|
29.492 | broader base | HBAHBA::HAAS | And this am the way it goes. | Thu Nov 10 1994 13:01 | 7 |
| > -< notre dame and bc look good this week >-
Hey be ecuminical and throw in Brigham Young and Texas Christian.
Too bad it aint hoops cause there's a bunch of them cath'lics.
TTom
|
29.493 | NFL Week 12 | HBAHBA::HAAS | And this am the way it goes. | Tue Nov 15 1994 13:02 | 17 |
29.494 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | And this am the way it goes. | Tue Nov 15 1994 13:02 | 36 |
29.495 | | SOLANA::MAY_BR | Clinton happens | Tue Nov 15 1994 14:59 | 4 |
|
It's a sad sign for my Giants when they are 2 point dogs to the Oilers.
brews
|
29.497 | genuine College Hoops! | HBAHBA::HAAS | And this am the way it goes. | Wed Nov 16 1994 16:44 | 7 |
29.498 | them hooops is fun | HBAHBA::HAAS | And this am the way it goes. | Thu Nov 17 1994 12:20 | 13 |
29.499 | NFL Week 13 | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Tue Nov 22 1994 12:45 | 19 |
29.500 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Tue Nov 22 1994 12:45 | 23 |
29.501 | | 57042::francus | There is no joy in Mudville | Tue Nov 22 1994 13:57 | 5 |
| > NY JETS 1.5 miami
what planet are the odds makers living on???
The Crazy Met
|
29.502 | | FXTROT::ALLEMANG | | Tue Nov 22 1994 14:03 | 8 |
|
I've got a buddy going to Laughlin (Nev) on Friday... Does anybody
have the o/u lines for this weekend? Talking parlay-o-plenty. Leftover
turkey, football, and real live betting tickets... oh yeah.
Thanks,
Greg
|
29.503 | go figger | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Tue Nov 22 1994 14:03 | 10 |
| I double checked cause I've been knowd to have thangs swapped around.
But this one is how it's listed a couple of places. The local paper has
it as the Jets favored by 2.
Maybe it's cause of the history of success of the Jets over Miami, the
fack that Jets won lasted week and Miami lost and that Miami is basically
decimated with injuries.
TTom
|
29.504 | NFL Week 14 | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Wed Nov 30 1994 13:34 | 19 |
29.505 | lasted week o' regular college | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Wed Nov 30 1994 13:34 | 4 |
29.506 | College hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Wed Nov 30 1994 16:01 | 13 |
29.507 | embarassed the Fab 2 | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Wed Nov 30 1994 16:19 | 1 |
| Michigan is lucky they don't have to face ASU again.
|
29.508 | early bowl lines, mostly | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Fri Dec 02 1994 14:50 | 37 |
29.509 | | FORTY2::FOWLERM | Sammy Chung's Scarlet Army | Fri Dec 02 1994 15:08 | 6 |
| Can I ask a really stupid question, that has always puzzled me; how do teams
qualify for the various bowls, and are the bowls ranked in prestige?
Cheers,
Mike
|
29.510 | some of the methodology | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Fri Dec 02 1994 15:21 | 12 |
| 1. It's all in who knows who and on the other side you got favoritism.
2. It's all about money, who has the most, who can bring in the most and
who will pay the most.
3. Then there's Notre Dame which some people think take advantage of them
poor ol 'bowls people when in fact they is the one being coopted (see
point 2).
4. Random selection of teams with 6 or more wins.
TTom
|
29.511 | The culture gap | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Steve Sherman @MFR | Fri Dec 02 1994 15:50 | 25 |
| Mike, if you were looking for something comparable to qualifying to
play football in Europe (win your premiership, win your cup, finish
in the top 2 or 3 or 4), you were bound to be disappointed.
Some bowl actually do have well-defined qualification measures: the
granddaddy of them all, the Rose Bowl of Pasadena, California, is
explicitly for the champions of two particular conferences, the
mostly Midwestern Big 10 and the Western (Calif., Oregon, Washington,
Arizona) Pac 10. Others are for one champion and an invitee, the
desperate hope being to produce a playoff for the mythical national
championship (MNC). Others are for two invitees, typically schools
that have not won their conference but that are good enough to
produce a promising matchup, a good gate, and high TV ratings.
Many of these bowls have sprung up since I left the US 20 years ago,
perhaps as many as half of them. Obviously, the appetite of the TV
public is there. Millions are prepared to spend the holiday season
glued to the tube, watching 20-year-old behemoths of moderate
athletic accomplishment crash into each other.
Somehow, in this context, H.L. Mencken's famous remark comes to
mind, "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence
of the American people."
Steve
|
29.512 | some of the "real" basis | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Fri Dec 02 1994 16:00 | 58 |
| Date Time TV Bowl/location Matchup
-----------------------------------------------
Dec 15 9pm ESPN Las Vegas Big West #1 vs MAC #1
Las Vegas UNLV vs Central Michigan
Dec 25 3:30pm ABC Aloha Big 8 #3 vs at-large
Honolulu Kansas St vs Boston College
Dec 27 9pm Raycom Freedom PAC 10 #3 vs WAC #2
Anaheim Arizona vs Utah
Dec 28 8pm ESPN Independence at-large vs at-large
Shreveport Virginia vs TCU
Dec 29 8pm ESPN Copper Big 8 #4 vs WAC #3
Tuscon Oklahoma vs BYU
Dec 30 2:30pm CBS Sun coalition vs coalition
El Paso Texas vs No Carolina
Dec 30 7:30pm TBS Gator SEC #3 vs coalition
Gaineville Tennessee vs Va Tech
Dec 30 9pm ESPN Holiday WAC #1 vs Big10 #3
San Diego Colorado St vs Michigan
Dec 31 1pm ESPN Liberty Liberty alliance vs at-large
Memphis East Carolina vs Illinois
Dec 31 8pm ESPN Alamo SWC #3 vs PAC 10 #4
San Antonio Baylor vs Washington St
Jan 1 8pm NBC Orange Big 8 #1 vs coalition
Miami Nebraska vs Miami-Fl
Jan 1 8pm ESPN Peach ACC #3 vs SEC #4
Atlanta NC State vs Mississippi St
Jan 2 11am ESPN Hall of Fame ACC #4 vs Big10 #4
Tampa Duke vs Wisconsin
Jan 2 1:30pm CBS Carquest Big East #3 vs SEC #5
Miami West Virginia vs So Carolina
Jan 2 1pm NBC Cotton SWC #1 vs coalition
Dallas Texas Tech vs Southern Cal
Jan 2 1pm ABC Citrus SEC #2 vs Big 10 #2
Orlando Florida-Alabama loser vs Ohio St
Jan 2 4:30pm NBC Fiesta coalition vs coalition
Tempe Colorado vs Notre Dame
Jan 2 4:50pm ABC Rose PAC 10 #1 vs Big 10 #1
Pasadena Oregon vs Penn St
Jan 2 8:30pm ABC Sugar SEC #1 vs coalition
New Orleans Florida-Alabama winner vs Florida St
|
29.513 | | FORTY2::FOWLERM | Sammy Chung's Scarlet Army | Fri Dec 02 1994 16:06 | 6 |
| Thanks for the help. Now I understand, at least in a head-shaking,
eyebrows-raising kind of way. 8-)
And I thought qualification for the UEFA Cup was complicated.
Mike
|
29.514 | College hoops across the street | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Fri Dec 02 1994 16:17 | 4 |
| Local action:
NO CAROLINA 19 so carolina
CINCINNATI 7 temple
|
29.515 | | 57045::FRANCUS | There is no joy in Mudville | Fri Dec 02 1994 18:39 | 5 |
| hmm so Nebraska still gets little respect, 2 point dogs. then again in
Miami that makes sense.
The Crazy met
|
29.516 | home game | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Fri Dec 02 1994 18:59 | 4 |
| Yeah, the Husker-Hurricane game is at Miami's home field, something that
clearly should be ruled out if'n they wanna do the AMNC properly.
TTom
|
29.517 | Complete, early Bowls lines | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Mon Dec 05 1994 13:55 | 18 |
29.518 | :-) | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | STEELERSmyALLTIMEfavoriteTEAM | Mon Dec 05 1994 14:37 | 4 |
|
So who's running the bowl contest?????
|
29.519 | I volunteer | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Mon Dec 05 1994 14:43 | 12 |
| I'll do it again, if requested.
I say we skip that there Las Vegas bowl and use next Tuesday's USA Today
line. That would give us enough time since the firsted bowl to consider
would be the Aloha Bowl on Dec 25. We'll put it all in 148.
We could close the entries on Friday Dec 23. All entries have to be sent
by mail. Replies to 148 won't count.
The usual.
TTom
|
29.520 | NFL Week 15 | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Tue Dec 06 1994 13:39 | 19 |
29.521 | some hoops; couple of good college | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Wed Dec 07 1994 14:27 | 15 |
29.522 | some hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Thu Dec 08 1994 15:06 | 14 |
29.523 | news matter/trade stimulator | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Thu Dec 08 1994 16:48 | 39 |
| 1. NY JETS 2. detroit +3
3. over 40 4. under 38
5. DALLAS 6. cleveland +10
7. over 41 8. under 39
9. GREEN BAY 10. chicago +4
11. over 38 12. under 36
13. BUFFALO 14. minnesota +3
15. over 42 16. under 40
17. PITTSBURGH 18. philadelphia +7
19. over 39 20. under 37
21. NY GIANTS 22. cincinnati +7
23. over 38 24. under 36
25. NEW ENGLAND 26. indianapolis +7
27. over 40 28. under 38
29. la rams -2 30. TAMPA BAY -2
31. over 42 32. under 40
33. san francisco 34. SAN DIEGO +7
35. over 47 36. under 45
37. LA RAIDERS 38. denver +3
39. over 45 40. under 43
41. seattle -2 42. HOUSTON -2
43. over 36 44. under 34
45. ARIZONA 46. washington +9
47. over 37 48. under 35
49. ATLANTA 50. new orleans +3
51. over 48 52. under 46
|
29.524 | | FXTROT::ALLEMANG | | Thu Dec 08 1994 17:39 | 135 |
|
INFORMATION COURTESY OF SPORTS & GAMING NEWSWIRE LINETRACKER UPDATE
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THURSDAY, DECEMBER 8, 1994 (10:00A PDT UPDATE)
KEY - (*) = Line has moved since last update, (') = Half point, (TC) =
Time Change. (PC) = Pitching Change. X = Game off the board. EV = Even
PK = Pick'em. ISL = ISLAND LINE. BIN = BINION'S. ALL TIMES PACIFIC.
NBA
PRO BASKETBALL
12/08 (THURSDAY)
TIME # TEAM OPEN ISL MIR BIN HILT *CP MGM BALLY
---- - ---- ---- --- --- --- ---- -- --- -----
4:30 1. Pho 5 5 5 5' 5 5' 6
2. NJN 215 213' 213 214 213
5:00 3. Cha X 194 X X X X
TBS 4. HOU X *5' X X X X X
NOTE: HOU CENTER H.OLAJUWON (WRIST) IS "PROBABLE"
5:30 5. Uth 204 204 204 205 205
6. SAS EV 1' 1' 1' 2 1' 2
5:30 7. Was 203 *203' 204' 204 204
8. DAL 3' 4 3' 3' 4 4 3'
7:30 9. Sea 6 6' 7 6' 6' 6' 6'
10. SAC 204 200' 200' 201 200
NOTE: SAC GUARD B.GRANT (HIP) IS "?"
$
CBB
COLLEGE BASKETBALL
12/08 (THURSDAY)
TIME # TEAM ISL MIR BIN HILT *CP MGM BALLY
---- - ---- --- --- --- ---- -- --- -----
0:00 11. Pittsburgh (PAL) X
12. MASSACHUTS (MAK) X
NOTE: THIS GAME WAS PLAYED LAST NIGHT !!
4:30 13. Villanova (VAE) 156
ESPN 14. N.CAROLINA (NAV) *12 11' 12 12 12 12
4:30 15. Clemson (CBG)
16. S.CAROLINA (SBF) 4' 4 4 4' 4 4
4:00 17. Wake Forst (WAD) 9' 9' 9 9 9 10
(TC) 18. RICHMOND (RAF)
5:15 19. Arkansas (AAS) 21 21' 21 22 21' 22
20. SMU (SAV)
6:35 21. Houston (HAM)
22. ARIZONA (AAQ) *25 25 25 26 26 25
$
NFL
PRO FOOTBALL
12/10 (SATURDAY)
TIME # TEAM OPEN ISL MIR BIN HILT CP MGM BALLY
---- - ---- ---- --- --- --- ---- -- --- -----
9:30 1. Det 39 *38 *37' 38 38 *38 *38 *38
FOX 2. NYJ 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3
1:00 3. Cle X 38 38' *38 38 39 38'
NBC 4. DAL X 10' 10 *10' 10 10' 10' 10'
NOTE: DAL QB. T.AIKMAN (KNEE) HAS RETURNED TO PRACTICE & MAY START.
$
NFL
PRO FOOTBALL
12/11
TIME # TEAM OPEN ISL MIR BIN HILT CP MGM BALLY
---- - ---- ---- --- --- --- ---- -- --- -----
10:00 5. Chi 36 36 *35 *35 36 *35' 35' 36
6. GNB 3' 4 4 4 4 4 4 4
10:00 7. Min 41 *40 40' 40 40 *40 *40 40
8. BUF 3' 3 3' 3' 3' 3' 3' 3
10:00 9. Phi 36 *35 *35 *35 36 *35 35' 36
10. PIT 5' 5' 6 6' 6 6 6 6
10:00 11. Cin 35 35 35 35 35 *35 34' 34'
12. NYG 5 6 5' 5' 5 5' 5' 5'
10:00 13. Ind 38 *37 *36' 37 37 *36' 37 37
14. NWE 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6
10:00 15. Los 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40'
16. TAM 2 2' 2' 2' 2 2' 2 2
1:00 17. Sfo 6 7 7 7 7 7 7 7
18. SDG 45 45 46 45' 45 45' 45 46
1:00 19. Den X X X 41' X X
20. LAR X X X 3' X X X X
NOTE: DEN QB J.ELWAY (KNEE) HAS BEEN UPGRADED TO "PROBABLE"
1:00 21. Sea 34 34 33' 34 X 33 33' 33
22. HOU 2 3 3 3 X 3 3' 3
NOTE: SEA QB R.MIRER (BROKEN HAND) IS "OUT FOR THE SEASON"
1:00 23. Was 34 36 34 34 34' 34 35 34'
24. ARI 7' 8 7' 7' 7' 7 7 7'
5:00 25. Nor 46 46' 46 46 46 46 46 47
ESPN 26. ATL 4 4' 4 4 4 4 4 4
$
NFL
PRO FOOTBALL
12/12
TIME # TEAM OPEN ISL MIR BIN HILT CP MGM BALLY
---- - ---- ---- --- --- --- ---- -- --- -----
6:00 27. Kan 39 39 39' 39' 40 39 39'
ABC 28. MIA 4 4' 4' 4' X 5 4' 4'
NOTE: CHECKING STATUS OF KAN QB J.MONTANA.
|
29.525 | cool! | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Fri Dec 09 1994 13:23 | 0 |
29.526 | | CAMONE::WAY | I'll miss you, Rak, my friend | Fri Dec 09 1994 13:54 | 1 |
| Of course this is all for amusement purposes only.....8^)
|
29.527 | more hoops entertainment | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Fri Dec 09 1994 16:00 | 13 |
29.528 | NFL Week 16 | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Tue Dec 13 1994 13:10 | 19 |
29.529 | Bowls | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Tue Dec 13 1994 13:11 | 18 |
29.530 | For amusement only | FXTROT::ALLEMANG | | Thu Dec 15 1994 17:14 | 127 |
|
INFORMATION COURTESY OF SPORTS & GAMING NEWSWIRE LINETRACKER UPDATE
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THURSDAY, DECEMBER 15, 1994 (10:00A PDT UPDATE)
KEY - (*) = Line has moved since last update, (') = Half point, (TC) =
Time Change. (PC) = Pitching Change. X = Game off the board. EV = Even
PK = Pick'em. ISL = ISLAND LINE. BIN = BINION'S. ALL TIMES PACIFIC.
NBA
PRO BASKETBALL
12/15/94 (THURSDAY)
TIME # TEAM OPEN ISL MIR BIN HILT CP MGM BALLY
---- - ---- ---- --- --- --- ---- -- --- -----
4:30 1. Uth 5 4' 5' 4' *5' 5' 5
2. WAS 199 200 199 199 198
NOTE: CHECKING ON WAS GUARD R.CHAPMAN (GROIN).
5:00 3. Den 205 202' 204 204 205
TBS 4. MIA 1' 2' 2 2 2 2 1'
5:30 5. Lal 202 203' 202' 202 203
6. HOU 8 8' 8' 8' 9 8' 9
5:30 7. Bos 209 211' 212' 213 212
8. DAL 3 3 4 3' 3' 4 4
NOTE: DAL CENTER R.TARPLEY (SUSPENDED) IS "OUT".
7:00 9. Por 207 206' 207' 207 206
10. SEA 9 8 7' 8 *7 8 8'
NOTE: POR & SEA GUARDS C.DREXLER & K.GILL HAVE RETURNED.
7:30 11. Nyk 2 2' 2' 2' 3 3 2'
12. SAC 190 190 189' 189 188
7:30 13. Gsw 6' 6' 7 6' 7 6' 7
14. LAC 206 202' 204 203 203
NOTE: LAC GUARD T.DEHERE HAS RETURNED.
CFB
COLLEGE FOOTBALL (LAS VEGAS BOWL - AT LAS VEGAS, NV)
12/15/94 (THURSDAY)
TIME # TEAM ISL MIR BIN HILT CP MGM BALLY
---- - ---- --- --- --- ---- -- --- -----
6:00 1. Unlv (NAJ) 53'
ESPN 2. C.MICHIGAN (CAQ) 5 X X X X X X
NFL
PRO FOOTBALL - WEEK 16
12/17/94 (SATURDAY)
TIME # TEAM ISL MIR BIN HILT CP MGM BALLY
---- - ---- --- --- --- ---- -- --- -----
9:30 3. Min 41 41 41 42 41 41 42
FOX 4. DET 1 1' 1' 1' 1' 2 1
1:00 5. Den 47' 47 47
NBC 6. SFO 16 X X 15 14' X X
NOTE: DEN QB J.ELWAY (KNEE) IS "DAY-TO-DAY".
NFL
PRO FOOTBALL - WEEK 16
12/18/94 (SUNDAY)
TIME # TEAM ISL MIR BIN HILT CP MGM BALLY
---- - ---- --- --- --- ---- -- --- -----
10:00 7. Atl 40 40 39 40 39' 40 40
8. GNB 8 8 7' 7' 7 7 7'
NOTE: AT MILWAUKEE.
1:00 9. Mia 3' 3' 3' 4 4 3' 3'
(TC) 10. IND 42 42 42' X 42' 41' 42'
NOTE: IND WILL START JIM HARBAUGH AT QB.
10:00 11. Sdg 2 2 2' 1' 2 2 2'
12. NYJ 37 36' 37 36' 36 37 36'
10:00 13. Nwe 37 37 37 X 37 36' 37
14. BUF 1 1 1' 2 1 1' 1
NOTE: BUF QB J.KELLY (KNEE) IS "OUT"
1:00 15. Cle 32 31' 32 32 32 32' 31'
(TC) 16. PIT 3' 3' 3' 3' 3' 3 3'
10:00 17. Los 34 33 33 33' 33 33' 33
18. CHI 6' 6' 7 6' 7 6' 6'
10:00 19. Tam 40 39 39 38' 39 39 39
20. WAS 2 2 2' 2 2 1' 1'
1:00 21. Hou 34 34 34 X 34 34 34
22. KAN 9' 10 9' 10 9 9 10'
1:00 23. Nyg 35 35 34' 35' 35 35 34'
24. PHI 4 4 4 4' 4' 5 4
NOTE: PHI WILL START B.BRISTER AT QB
1:00 25. Cin 33' 34 34 34 34 34 33'
26. ARI 7' 7 7 7 7 7 7
5:00 27. Lar 7 6' 6' 6' 6 6 6
ESPN 28. SEA 36 36 36' 36' 36 36 36
NFL
PRO FOOTBALL - WEEK 16
12/19/94 (MONDAY)
TIME # TEAM ISL MIR BIN HILT CP MGM BALLY
---- - ---- --- --- --- ---- -- --- -----
6:00 29. Dal 10 10 10 10 10 10 10
ABC 30. NOR 45' 45' 46 46 45' 45' 45'
|
29.531 | hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Fri Dec 16 1994 15:10 | 7 |
| NBA:
ATLANTA 4 chicago
INDIANA 7 charlotte
cleveland 2 PHILADELPHIA
PHOENIX 6 new york
new jersey 5 MINNESOTA
orlando 5 GOLDEN STATE
|
29.532 | Monday Night Hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Mon Dec 19 1994 16:41 | 9 |
| NBA:
CHICAGO 5 cleveland
PHOENIX 12 washington
DENVER 8 boston
College:
stanford 9 AMERICAN
PITTSBURGH 1 duquesne @Pittsburgh Civic Center
ST. LOUIS 16 SMU
|
29.533 | not to nit-pick, but.... | MKFSA::LONG | Steelers...strivin' fer 5! | Mon Dec 19 1994 19:12 | 6 |
| >> PITTSBURGH 1 duquesne @Pittsburgh Civic Center
Are you sure that's not "Pittsburgh Civic Arena"?
billl
|
29.534 | NFL Week the lasted | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Tue Dec 20 1994 13:10 | 19 |
29.535 | hooops | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Tue Dec 20 1994 16:54 | 19 |
29.536 | hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Wed Dec 21 1994 14:50 | 9 |
29.537 | bowls update | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Wed Dec 21 1994 15:08 | 37 |
29.538 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Thu Dec 22 1994 14:22 | 8 |
29.539 | College hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Thu Dec 22 1994 14:22 | 19 |
29.540 | entertaiment card | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Thu Dec 22 1994 14:53 | 29 |
|
1. dallas 2 NY GIANTS +3
3. over 36 4. under 34
5. CLEVELAND 6. seattle +11
7. over 35 8. under 33
9. INDIANAPOLIS 10. buffalo +3
11. over 42 12. under 40
13. green bay 14. TAMPA BAY +6
15. over 42 16. under 40
17. new england -2 18. CHICAGO -2
19. over 38 20. under 36
21. arizona 22. ATLANTA +3
23. over 39 24. under 37
25. philadelphia -2 26. CINCINNATI -2
27. over 37 28. under 35
29. LA RAIDERS 30. kansas city +4
31. over 39 32. under 37
33. ny jets -2 34. HOUSTON -2
35. over 35 36. under 33
37. SAN DIEGO 38. pittsburgh +4
39. over 37 40. under 35
41. DENVER 42. new orleans +5
43. over 45 44. under 43
45. LA RAMS 46. washington +4
47. over 42 48. under 40
49. MIAMI 50. detroit +4
51. over 46 52. under 44
53. Boston College -2 54. Kansas St -2
55. over 44 56. 42
|
29.541 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Tue Dec 27 1994 15:30 | 11 |
29.542 | College Hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Tue Dec 27 1994 15:36 | 11 |
29.543 | Wild Cards | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Wed Dec 28 1994 13:59 | 7 |
| Saturday:
GREEN BAY 5 detroit 12:30pm
MIAMI 3 kansas city 4pm
Sunday:
CLEVELAND 3 new england 12:30pm
MINNESOTA 6 chicago 4pm
|
29.544 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Wed Dec 28 1994 14:50 | 6 |
| NBA:
BOSTON 0 chicago
NEW YORK 8 detroit
CLEVELAND 10 washington
UTAH 7 indiana
SEATTLE 13 philadelphia
|
29.545 | College Tourneys | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Wed Dec 28 1994 14:55 | 21 |
| College Hoops Tourneys:
Meadowlands Tournament, East Rutherford:
SETON HALL nl lehigh
Southern Cal 7 SMU
Fiesta Bowl Classic, Tuscon:
Texas Tech 4 Penn St
ARIZONA 23 richmond
Tribune Classic, Tempe
Vanderbilt 10 Cleveland St
ARIZONA ST 15 pacific
Otis Spunkmeyer Classic, Oakland
Alabama 12 TCU
CALLIFORNIA 32 columbia
Rainbow Classic, Honolulu
Cincinnati 3 Georgia Tech
Arkansas 11 Oklahoma
|
29.546 | ABPS | MKFSA::LONG | Steelers...strivin' fer 5! | Wed Dec 28 1994 15:16 | 8 |
| >>Fiesta Bowl Classic, Tuscon:
>> Texas Tech 4 Penn St
Wow! Is Texas Tech THAT bad?
billl
|
29.547 | aint caught the Red Raiders yet | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Wed Dec 28 1994 15:17 | 0 |
29.548 | GB moves to -4 | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Thu Dec 29 1994 11:27 | 4 |
| The Green Bay line has dropped to 4 on the news that Sterling Sharpe is
out.
TTom
|
29.549 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Thu Dec 29 1994 11:34 | 6 |
| NBA:
san antonio 3 ATLANTA
MIAMI 10 la clippers
HOUSTON 7 golden state
PORTLAND 5 denver
seattle 3 LA LAKERS
|
29.550 | some odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Fri Dec 30 1994 14:02 | 23 |
| Gorden Forbes (USA Today) odds against getting to the Super Bowl:
AFC
Pittsburgh 3-1
Miami 7-2 (that's the way he listed 'em)
San Diego 5-1
New England 8-1
Kansas City 10-1
Cleveland 15-1 (!)
NFC
San Francisco 1-1 (Even)
Dallas 2-1
Detroit 10-1
Green Bay 12-1
Minnesota 15-1
Chicago 25-1
FWIW, for thised weekend he is picking
Green Bay-Detroit - tossup
Minnesota over Chicago by a TD
Miami over Kansas City by a FG
New England by 1 over Cleveland.
|
29.551 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Fri Dec 30 1994 14:12 | 14 |
29.552 | and meanwhile, Nebraska is now favored by 1 | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Fri Dec 30 1994 14:35 | 0 |
29.553 | NFL Divisional Playoffs | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Tue Jan 03 1995 12:51 | 15 |
29.554 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Tue Jan 03 1995 14:42 | 10 |
29.555 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Wed Jan 04 1995 16:49 | 9 |
| NBA:
CLEVELAND 3 seattle
NEW YORK 6 atlanta
ORLANDO 14 new jersey
CHARLOTTE 5 protland
BOSTON 4 miami
INDIANA 11 washington
CHICAGO 6 denver
PHOENIX 14 philadelphia
|
29.556 | Updated NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Wed Jan 04 1995 16:56 | 19 |
29.557 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Thu Jan 05 1995 14:26 | 7 |
29.558 | Colleg Hoooooops | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Thu Jan 05 1995 14:31 | 13 |
29.559 | Miami-SD near a pick | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Fri Jan 06 1995 18:09 | 3 |
| Heavy betting on the Fish has this line moving fast towards a pick.
TTom
|
29.560 | | AKOCOA::BREEN | It was in the bleak December | Fri Jan 06 1995 19:10 | 7 |
| then at 3 (see pool) the fish must be a lock.
At a pick diego starts to look real good to me. They've pretty much
passed every test this year though all seems to depend on Humphreys
health.
They should be rested and healthy and home all of which they like.
|
29.561 | watch out | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Fri Jan 06 1995 19:21 | 7 |
| And don't forget the fack that the Fish aint won a playoff game since
afore SPROTS moved to CAM.
FWIW, Chris Boomer Berman picks Pittsburgh, San Fran, Dallas and San
Diego to win and cover.
TTom
|
29.562 | | PCBUOA::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Asia/Pacific Marketing | Fri Jan 06 1995 19:25 | 10 |
| <<< Note 29.561 by HBAHBA::HAAS "dingle lingo" >>>
-< watch out >-
>And don't forget the fack that the Fish aint won a playoff game since
>afore SPROTS moved to CAM.
Gee, I coulda sworn I saw the Phins beat the snot outta KC last week.
Musta been the hallugeons.
Mark.
|
29.563 | shoulda been on the road | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Fri Jan 06 1995 19:31 | 0 |
29.564 | early conference line | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Mon Jan 09 1995 13:13 | 10 |
29.565 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Mon Jan 09 1995 13:34 | 5 |
| NBA:
BOSTON 7 washington
PHOENIX 13 milwaukee
UTAH 10 dallas
PORTLAND 6 la lakers
|
29.566 | College hoooops | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Mon Jan 09 1995 13:34 | 11 |
29.567 | NFL Conference Playoffs | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Tue Jan 10 1995 13:14 | 10 |
29.568 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Tue Jan 10 1995 14:30 | 9 |
29.569 | latest NFL numbers | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Thu Jan 12 1995 14:22 | 16 |
29.570 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Thu Jan 12 1995 14:22 | 4 |
| NBA:
SAN ANTONIO 10 miami
PHOENIX 7 cleveland
DENVER 6 dallas
|
29.571 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Fri Jan 13 1995 13:33 | 11 |
29.572 | Early Super Bowl numbers | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Mon Jan 16 1995 12:21 | 3 |
| Super Sunday:
San Francisco 18 San Diego
over/under 53
|
29.573 | NBA: day games | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Mon Jan 16 1995 12:29 | 9 |
29.574 | Super Bowl | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Tue Jan 17 1995 19:30 | 6 |
| Super Sunday:
San Francisco 19 San Diego
over/under 53
odds: San Francisco 12:1
Notes: odds are *ON* winning
|
29.575 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Tue Jan 17 1995 19:38 | 16 |
|
Even taking into account the recent history of the NFC
blowing out the AFC, that line seems awfully awfully high
and can only serve to motivate San Diego. I don't expect
the Chargers to win but I do expect them to cover. SD has
a good running game and can stretch the D with the long ball.
Don't much but Popunu (don't know much about the French I
took) but he looks like a viable 'H' back (re: tight end)
option. And if SD's defense is as single-minded as it was
during the Pittburg game, it will be toward stopping the pass
this time and making Watters and Floyd beat them. The 9ers can
win that way though they may not have to, but not by 19. I'll
take the Chargers and the points. I think conventional wisdom
will take a beating in this game and an SD win won't completely
surprise me.
|
29.576 | | METSNY::francus | There is no joy in Mudville | Tue Jan 17 1995 20:12 | 6 |
|
A win by SD would definitely surprise me; but I would take SD+19. Imagine
Chicago was less of an underdog to SF AT SF than SD is on a neutral field!
Just shows that setting of point spreads can be really wacky.
The Crazy Met
|
29.577 | | ONOFRE::MAY_BR | Niners smoke, Cowboys choke | Tue Jan 17 1995 20:13 | 7 |
|
The over/under at 53 seems low. Might not be a bad bet to take SD.
If the niners are up 38-17 in the 2nd half (not unlikely) I can see
them letting everyone play, and SD getting closer. Pulling within
45-31.
brews
|
29.578 | | METSNY::francus | There is no joy in Mudville | Tue Jan 17 1995 20:14 | 6 |
| That's why Buffalo+10.5 was a decent bet last year. Dallas led by 17 and Buffalo
was driving with about a minute left; of course Buffalo couldn't do anything
right and a receiver stepped out of bounds just before the first down marker
on a 4th down play.
The Crazy Met
|
29.579 | some facktors | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Tue Jan 17 1995 20:23 | 37 |
| Some facktors in the spread:
The San Francisco Mystique - they're seen to be unstoppable and
unbeatable, even by the might Cowboys.
The NFC Mystique - what is it, 10 straight. In fack, you have to go back
to the lasted Steeler title afore it's anyone besides the NFC or the
Raiders.
The San Diego Mystique - who?
The San Francisco Reality - no matter what you think of their defense,
they will outscore you. They led the lead in point differential.
The San Diego Defense - they'll make us think we're looking at replays.
It shore looks like Steve Young to Rice, Taylor and Jones will be open
all day.
The San Deigo Offense - Natrone Means can shore 'nuff run but the
Chargers will have to score everytime they have the ball just to keep up.
And throw in a hand me down QB who completed 1 pass the first half of his
lasted game.
The Betting Formula - the formula for winning the Super Bowl bet has at
its core picking the team with the better record. Then it says to look at
who's favored. Then is says to make sure your not playing the Raiders.
All of this wihtout regard to how much the line was. It's not perfect but
is shore is close.
The Betting Reality - remember this line is a_estimate of the betting not
a prediction of the outcome. The linesmakers are saying if'n the line is
about 20 then the betting will be near 50-50. Move it to 21, 22 or so and
too many people will bet the Chargers. Move it to 16, 17 or so and too
many people will bet the Niners. The right line limits the bookmakers
risk.
TTom
|
29.580 | And I used to take American League in 70s | AKOCOA::BREEN | It's all in the outcome | Tue Jan 17 1995 20:24 | 6 |
| I've been taking AFC for 10 years now and I'm about to give up. The
only logic that helps is that two afc teams amount to the debacles
whilst Cinci and Oakland/LA were competive (and latter was only
winner).
So my hope is San Diego may not fold like doncs and bills.
|
29.581 | Da Worst: Skins 42, Donks 10 | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Tue Jan 17 1995 20:33 | 11 |
| With due respects to all, I think the worst Super Bowl game ever was the
pasting the Skins put on the Donks. That year that they scored 35 points
in the 2nd quarter. Worst in terms of the worst game to watch. Coombined,
both teams scored 7 points in the 2nd half, by Washington, natch.
I was at a_outdoor in the snow hot tub party for that game and I can
remembering thinking that I was glad that I didn't have to pay much
attention to the game. It allowed me to concentrate on more pressing
matters.
TTom
|
29.582 | 49ers, unfortunately... | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Tue Jan 17 1995 20:52 | 23 |
|
Spreads that big basically amount to a coin toss (well, maybe
that's true of all spread bets, but...). The game can be a complete
and total rout and the winner still doesn't cover. Or, as in the last
three Super Bowl games, a decent-quality team like the underdog
Bills (yes, I mean that) made some sense for many of the same reasons
as with the Chargers now, but they still got squashed. So who knows;
it's far too ugly.
With that said, I'd go with the 49ers. First, I think weak secondary
talent is something that cannot be covered up by overloading with any
defensive scheme. Second, the 49ers are a team that will show no
mercy where a Dallas might have started to partying (with Jerry and
Barry). Couple of weeks ago the 49ers were pasting the Bears by 30+
and they were still passing the ball, looking for more. In Deion's
and Steve Young's supposed coronation game everyone will be looking to
get into the act. But sure, San Diego could easily hold it to within
10 or so. I'll be rooting for the Chargers so in the interests of
maintaining some passion for the actual _game_ and not the spread
business I won't touch the Niners' filthy money... ;-)
glenn
|
29.583 | about a_average score for the SB | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Tue Jan 17 1995 21:10 | 4 |
| FWIW, in week 15, San Francisco visited San Diego. The Niners were
favored by 7 and won by 23, 38-15.
TTom
|
29.584 | ppplpphhhth. | WONDER::REILLY | Sean / Alpha Servers DTN:223-4375 | Wed Jan 18 1995 01:59 | 19 |
|
> The NFC Mystique - what is it, 10 straight. In fack, you have to go back
> to the lasted Steeler title afore it's anyone besides the NFC or the
> Raiders.
I, for one, am SICK TO DEATH of this NFC mystique stuff. There have
been 2 teams that dominated in the last decade, SF and Dallas.
That has nothing to do with the NFC, just those 2 teams.
The Patriots were UNDEFEATED against 2/3 of the NFC playoff
participants. Who were the other 1/3 - SF and Dallas. I haven't
checked on this year, but last year the AFC beat NFC in interconference
games.
I hope the press was happy with their "REAL Super Bowl" last week, and
I hope they choke big time on a San Diego victory in 2.
- Sean
|
29.585 | | CTHQ::MCCULLOUGH | Lindsey is FIVE!!! | Wed Jan 18 1995 12:12 | 16 |
| | The Patriots were UNDEFEATED against 2/3 of the NFC playoff
| participants. Who were the other 1/3 - SF and Dallas. I haven't
| checked on this year, but last year the AFC beat NFC in interconference
| games.
This reflects something we've discussed before - while the
NFC has (possibly) the two best teams in football in
Dallas and SF, the conference isn't all that "deep".
Despite my #2 team being the Packers, I'm not that impressed
with the NFC Central, where half of the playoff teams came
from. Every team there had gaping holes, and in fact,
every team there lost to the Pats, who just barely slipped
into the AFC 'offs.
=Bob=
|
29.586 | Teams copy winners | CSLALL::BRULE | you don't know what you have until you lose it:ex | Wed Jan 18 1995 12:34 | 10 |
| I think it's interesting that the Chargers play more of an NFC type
game while the niners play an AFC of the 80's style. That is the
Chargers want the games to be a slug it out game where there linemen
and Running backs try to overpower and have strong defenses teams like
the Redskins, Giants and Cowboys did, while the niners are a finesse
passing teams not unlike the Broncos and Dolphins. Of all of the AFC
teams that made the playoffs only the phins now play the old style light
up the scoreboard style while the Browns, Pats, Steelers, Chiefs and
Chargers play the NFC style. The hirings of Bethard, Parcells and Bellichek
have played a big part in the transformation.
|
29.587 | | HELIX::MAIEWSKI | | Wed Jan 18 1995 12:47 | 13 |
| There's been a lot of talk about this lately but I'm not sure there really is
an NFC or AFC style.
It's true that in the 70's the Dolphins and Jets threw a lot but then they
had Marino and Namath. The Steelers from that period also threw a lot but they
had Franco Harris and Rocky Briar()? do a lot of running while the Iron Certain
did a lot of bone crushing on defense.
Also, those Vikings teams from the 70's did a lot of throwing with Fran
Tarkenton as did the Cowboys who won more than one game with hail Mary passes
by Roger Stabuck.
George
|
29.588 | | MKFSA::LONG | Close, but no cigar! | Wed Jan 18 1995 13:15 | 13 |
| When you refer to the two different styles of football it's more like
the NFL and AFL, rather than NFC and AFC.
The old NFL played a more conservative, 'grind it out on the ground',
style. The AFL was known for their aerial attacks. That's not to say
that successful teams in the old NFL didn't pass. It's just that it
was more the exception than the rule, and visa versa for the AFL.
Also remember that the Steelers started in the old NFL.
hth,
billl
|
29.589 | What the hell is that? | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Wed Jan 18 1995 13:23 | 2 |
|
The "Iron Certain"?
|
29.591 | read 'em and weep | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Wed Jan 18 1995 13:28 | 30 |
| Firsted of all, Sean, I was talking about the Super Bowl. I wasn't
talking about overall conference strength, just the Super Bowl.
> The Patriots were UNDEFEATED against 2/3 of the NFC playoff
So, this never happened. Not in the Super Bowl.
Here's the data for the NFC Mystique since Pittsburgh's lasted ring:
Conf-Team-Win
AFC-1-1 XV--Oakland Raiders, underdog by 3, def. Philadelpia, 27-10
NFC-1-1 XVI--San Francisco, favored by 1, def. Cincinnati, 26-21
NFC-2-1 XVII--Washington, underdog by 3, def. Miami, 27-17
AFC-1-2 XVIII--L.A. Raiders, underdog by 3, def. Washington, 38-9
NFC-1-2 XIX--San Francisco, favored by 3, def. Miami, 38-16
NFC-3-1 XX--Chicago, favored by 10, def. New England, 46-10
NFC-4-1 XXI--NY Giants, favored by 8 1/2, def. Denver, 39-20
NFC-2-2 XXII--Washington, favored by 3, def. Denver, 42-10
NFC-1-3 XXIII--San Francisco, favored by 7 1/2, def. Cincinnati, 20-16
NFC-1-4 XXIV--San Francisco, favored by 12, def. Denver, 55-10
NFC-4-2 XXV--NY Giants, underdog by 7, def. Buffalo, 20-19
NFC-2-3 XXVI--Washington, favored by 7, def. Buffalo, 37-24
NFC-5-1 XXVII--Dallas, favored by 6 1/2, def. Buffalo, 52-17
NFC-5-2 XXVIII--Dallas, favored by 10 1/2, def. Buffalo, 30-13
Records:
AFC: 2-12, both wins by the Raiders
NFC: 12-2, 5 different NFC teams won, 5 different AFC teams lost
TTom
|
29.592 | | HELIX::MAIEWSKI | | Wed Jan 18 1995 13:29 | 10 |
| RE <<< Note 29.589 by MSBCS::BRYDIE "I need somebody to shove!" >>>
> The "Iron Certain"?
Iron Certain, Steel Certain, Titanium Certain, what ever.
Krist Tommy, I sure am glad you have some nit picking detail to whine about
for the next week.
George
|
29.593 | | HELIX::MAIEWSKI | | Wed Jan 18 1995 13:31 | 24 |
| I guess, but we're still talking about a short period of time here, mostly
the '60's and '70s.
Also I think it's a lot like the claim these days of the NFC begin stronger
than the AFC in that it's not really something that you find on the majority of
teams but rather with a few top teams during that period.
In general, it seems football has become more pass oriented since 1960.
As for the Steelers, I don't recall them being all that powerful before the
merger, the Metallic Certain seemed to come along later when they had switched
to the AFC.
By contrast, the old Giants with Charlie Connley and Y.A. Tittle were a
passing team as were the Dallas Cowboys with Dandy Don Meridith and Roger
Stabuck. And the Vikings with Trakenton were always a passing team.
In baseball there really is a difference because there are different
umpires in the AL and NL who call a different strikezone. And now the DH
has made them even more distinct but I doubt that you will find any major
difference between the AFC and NFC that effects most of the teams and holds
up over that long a period.
George
|
29.594 | title of their new video? | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Wed Jan 18 1995 13:33 | 6 |
| > The "Iron Certain"?
This was the Burgh's attitude going into the Chargers game. They were so
certain that they would win, they didn't even bother showing up.
TTom
|
29.595 | | HELIX::MAIEWSKI | | Wed Jan 18 1995 13:48 | 7 |
|
Uh oh, the spell'en police are on my tail.
The Eumenides of any notes file ...
George
|
29.596 | you men need dis? | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Wed Jan 18 1995 13:55 | 0 |
29.597 | | METSNY::francus | There is no joy in Mudville | Wed Jan 18 1995 14:07 | 6 |
| re: a few back
Namath and Marino never met in a game. Marino is 80's (started in 1983)
Namath's career was over in the mid 1970's.
The Crazy Met
|
29.598 | It's a joke, son | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Wed Jan 18 1995 14:08 | 11 |
|
>> Krist Tommy, I sure am glad you have some nit picking detail to
>> whine about for the next week.
George, if I were going to nit pick details, you'd never have a
moment's rest because your notes are chock full of errors. I was
merely (and good-naturedly) wondering what the hell an "Iron
Certain" was. I guess they were the defense that featured the
"center linebacker" and they were iron certain that you couldn't
score on them.
|
29.599 | | HELIX::MAIEWSKI | | Wed Jan 18 1995 14:21 | 8 |
| RE <<< Note 29.597 by METSNY::francus "There is no joy in Mudville" >>>
>Namath and Marino never met in a game. Marino is 80's (started in 1983)
>Namath's career was over in the mid 1970's.
Did anyone ever say that they did meet in a game?
George
|
29.600 | | HELIX::MAIEWSKI | | Wed Jan 18 1995 14:22 | 11 |
| RE <<< Note 29.598 by MSBCS::BRYDIE "I need somebody to shove!" >>>
>I guess they were the defense that featured the
> "center linebacker" and they were iron certain that you couldn't
> score on them.
AAAAaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! MY NITS ARE GETTING PICKED
AAAAaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!! AAAAaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
George
|
29.601 | point | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Wed Jan 18 1995 14:24 | 8 |
| George,
I think this is the incorrect reference that was incorrectly referenced:
> It's true that in the 70's the Dolphins and Jets threw a lot but then they
>had Marino and Namath.
TTom
|
29.602 | | HELIX::MAIEWSKI | | Wed Jan 18 1995 14:32 | 16 |
| RE <<< Note 29.601 by HBAHBA::HAAS "dingle lingo" >>>
> It's true that in the 70's the Dolphins and Jets threw a lot but then they
>had Marino and Namath.
Oops, that's suppose to be 70's - 80's.
So thanks everyone for pointing out these obscure details, you each get
honorary membership in the Star Trek Nit Pickers club but how about the topic
at hand?
Is there a difference in style between NFC and AFC teams or does it just
appear that way because of a few successful teams over a rather short
period of time?
George
|
29.603 | 49ers are not typical NFC team | BSS::MENDEZ | | Wed Jan 18 1995 14:33 | 11 |
| With respect to smash mouth ball control football versus finesse
football The 49ers have won ALL of their super bowls with OFFENSIVELY
finesses oriented teams. They never have had dominating offensive
lines like that of Washington or Giants, or even Buffalo or for sure
Dallas. They run a timing based offense. Their offensive line is
small compared to NFL standards and even some NCAA teams. Now Defense
is a different story. Their defense is based on speed and
agressiveness. Talk about Montana having 4 superbowl rings but guess
what? Ronnie Lott also has 4 superbowl rings and while SF's defenses
may not have been dominant they were agressive and Ronnie was the
leader.
|
29.604 | What goes around comes around | AKOCOA::BREEN | It's all in the outcome | Wed Jan 18 1995 14:44 | 11 |
| The big AFC teams of 70s were run oriented clubs: Pitt,N.E., Raiders
and the major challengers Dallas,Minnesota and the Rams were more
balanced.
The NFC seized on this success and tried to build around the ground
attack and of course virtually all successful teams had good defenses.
The key to Dallas and Washington in the 80s was excellent offensive
lines (Giants) too allowing possession time advantage to complement
sound defense. The AFC is slowly evolving back but free-agency putting
a premium on top offensive line talent has delayed the process.
|
29.605 | some replies | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Wed Jan 18 1995 14:55 | 17 |
| > The big AFC teams of 70s were run oriented clubs: Pitt,N.E., Raiders
> and the major challengers Dallas,Minnesota and the Rams were more
> balanced.
Ciphering this the bestest I can,
o Don't ever put N.E. up there with Pittsburgh and the Raiders. The Pats
aint won squat while the other 2 are historical. And I thought
the Raiders had watcha call the Vertical Game?
o That seconded line looks like NFC teams. huh?
o In almost all the SBs, the consensus bestest team won. Pittsburgh had
about a dozen HoFers. They didnt need to rely on any single
aspect of the game.
TTom
|
29.606 | and now, a little NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Wed Jan 18 1995 15:38 | 9 |
29.607 | | MKFSA::LONG | Close, but no cigar! | Wed Jan 18 1995 15:49 | 10 |
| >o In almost all the SBs, the consensus bestest team won. Pittsburgh had
about a dozen HoFers. They didnt need to rely on any single
aspect of the game.
TTom, you beat me to it. I wouldn't call a team with the likes of
Lynn Swann and John Stallworth strickly run oriented.
billl
|
29.608 | | METSNY::francus | There is no joy in Mudville | Wed Jan 18 1995 16:06 | 13 |
|
Yeah, can't really think of any big SB upsets. Jets-Colts maybe, KC-Minn maybe
but the AFL was seen through a different prism than the NFL and Jets
and KC likely were not given any respect because of this. Other than that
only obvious mini-upset was Bills losing to the Giants; overall the Bills
had a better team that year - but even so the spread was listed at something
like 3 points.
Other possibility:
Raiders over Washington in 1982(?)
The Crazy Met
|
29.609 | Buffalo by 7 | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Wed Jan 18 1995 16:08 | 12 |
| Here's the dogs who have won:
III--New York Jets, underdog by 19, def. Baltimore, 16-7
IV--Kansas City, underdog by 13 1/2, def. Minnesota, 23-7
V--Baltimore, underdog by 3, def. Dallas, 16-13
VII--Miami, underdog by 1, def. Washington, 14-7
XV--Oakland Raiders, underdog by 3, def. Philadelpia, 27-10
XVII--Washington, underdog by 3, def. Miami, 27-17
XVIII--L.A. Raiders, underdog by 3, def. Washington, 38-9
XXV--NY Giants, underdog by 7, def. Buffalo, 20-19
TTom
|
29.610 | | METSNY::francus | There is no joy in Mudville | Wed Jan 18 1995 16:12 | 12 |
|
> VII--Miami, underdog by 1, def. Washington, 14-7
wow! I didn't realize that; fer crissakes Miami was undefeated that year!
If I recall except for that play by Yepremian, Washington never came real
close to scoring.
So except for Jets and KC which was before ther merger was completed only
one team won being a underdog by 3+ points. Anything in the 0-3 range is
at best a minor upset.
The Crazy Met
|
29.611 | | MIMS::ROLLINS_R | | Wed Jan 18 1995 16:22 | 21 |
| >> VII--Miami, underdog by 1, def. Washington, 14-7
>
>wow! I didn't realize that; fer crissakes Miami was undefeated that year!
>If I recall except for that play by Yepremian, Washington never came real
>close to scoring.
It's true, but remember, the best team Miami faced in the regular season
that year was N.Y.Jets, 7-7. They had the next to easiest schedule in
the league that year, then had to rally in the 4th quarter to beat a
Cleveland team that didn't have a single player who made the Pro Bowl.
The first tought team they faced that year was Pittsburgh, in the conference
finals.
Meanwhile, Washington had completely dominated a good Green Bay team, and
a good Dallas team, the previous two weeks in the playoffs. Green Bay, with
John Brockington and MacArthur Lane, was expected to run well against the
Skins, and got very few yards at all.
As I recall, Washington did get down near the Miami end zone once. The
Dolphins really didn't move the ball that well, themselves. They went
unbeaten, but I was much more impressed with the team the following year.
|
29.612 | I know who did do it and who shoulda did and candied nuts | AKOCOA::BREEN | It's all in the outcome | Wed Jan 18 1995 18:40 | 15 |
| Well noone needs to remind me of what Pats have won and not. But in
the years of dominance of Raiders and Steelers very few teams could
play either and be considered a tossup and none were in nfc. I'd put
even Dallas at that time a peg below New England (they did play once).
Pats had a big consistency problem and an owner problem but had great
drafts and coaching staffs which had among others Parcells. All these
AFC powers depended first on the ability to run and block. Pittsburgh,
yes made many big plays but you'll never convince me that Bradshaw to
Swann had anything over Grogan to Morgan.
For many reasons these two teams never met in playoff finals and
Steelers - Raiders were the Superbowl for several of those years.
billte
|
29.613 | | OLD1S::CADZILLA2 | CanyourollmeanotherBullDurhamplease | Wed Jan 18 1995 18:51 | 14 |
|
> I'd put even Dallas at that time a peg below New England (they did play
> once
Get real!!! During that period Dallas had been in playoff's 20 straight
years. Starting in 65 and ending in 85 Dallas had been in at least
one round of the playoffs. Heck counting Sundays loss they have played
for the NFL/NFC championship 15 times. The Pats made it to the AFC
champs once.
When was the Pats in the off two years in a row?
|
29.614 | Oates on the spread and betting | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Wed Jan 18 1995 19:00 | 9 |
| Bart Oates, staring Center for San Francisco, on the point spread:
"The point spread makes absolutely no difference to me. In
fact, my hope is people lay it [the 20] and we beat them by
16. Yuo shouldn't be betting in the first place. It serves
you right. I hope people give the points and we win by 16.
That would be poetic justice."
TTom
|
29.615 | | AKOCOA::BREEN | It's all in the outcome | Wed Jan 18 1995 19:28 | 10 |
| I'll try to put it another way. AFC dominated 70s like NFC the 85-94
time frame with defense and running and smash mouth. The two main AFC
teams were Pitt and Oakland. What I through in was that one of the few
teams that could play with these two in either league in the late 70s
was the Pats despite their lousy playoff history because they could
match up in the fundemental areas: Offensive line, ability to run and
good defense.
Dallas seemed overmatched in its attempts to play these two during that
period but certainly was most competitive NFC team.
|
29.616 | Cement Boots? | ODIXIE::ZOGRAN | Testudo is still grounded! | Wed Jan 18 1995 19:38 | 5 |
| re. -2. - Talk like that will get you a visit from Tony "Big Thumbs"
Antonuccispanola, and maybe a talk about "swimmin' wif da fishes", and
he doesn't mean playing the Dolphins!:-)
UMDan
|
29.617 | It's a mystique because the NFC IS better | ONOFRE::MAY_BR | Niners smoke, Cowboys choke | Wed Jan 18 1995 21:02 | 17 |
| > I, for one, am SICK TO DEATH of this NFC mystique stuff. There have
> been 2 teams that dominated in the last decade, SF and Dallas.
> That has nothing to do with the NFC, just those 2 teams.
It's been more than SF and Dallas in the last decade. Each of those
have won two SB's in that time, but the Giants, Washington (couple a
piece) and Chicago have won also. And they've all had tougher teams to
face in getting there than their AFC opponent.
>I haven't checked on this year, but last year the AFC beat NFC in
>interconference games.
I don't think that is true for last year. If it was, it was an
anomaly. The NFC again had a better interconference record this year.
brews
|
29.618 | Super Bowl | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Thu Jan 19 1995 13:31 | 9 |
| It looks like we have ourselves a line. It hasn't quite made 20 but the
18 weren't enough.
Super Sunday:
San Francisco 19 San Diego
over/under 53
odds: San Francisco 12:1
Notes: odds are *ON* winning
|
29.619 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | President of Donny Osmond FanClub | Thu Jan 19 1995 13:54 | 6 |
|
12 to 1 has got to be the line on San Diego winning no?
otherwise if the experts are right somebody's going to take a huge bath...
mike
|
29.620 | backwards odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Thu Jan 19 1995 14:06 | 19 |
| You normally see odds as *AGAINST* a certain proposition.
For instance, when you play the ponies and a horse is 3:1, that means you
get back 3 bucks for every dollar waged. In this case, the odds are
against the horse winning.
To be consistent with that they should list the odds for San Francisco as
1:12. You get back one buck for every 12 dollars waged. This would be the
odds against the Niners winning.
For some reason, the list these "backwards", I guess because the 1:12
looks wierd.
So, just to be clear: 1 dollar bet on San Diego would win 12 dollars if'n
the Chargers win, or you hand them 1 dollar and they would hand you back
13; 12 dollars bet on San Francisco would win 1 dollar if'n the Niners
win, or you hand them 12 dollars and they would hand you back 13 dollars.
TTom
|
29.621 | 53 seems really high | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | UMass - #1 again!!! | Thu Jan 19 1995 17:41 | 5 |
| If I'm a bettor, I LOVE the under, since I cain't see the Chargers
putting up more than a TC vs the Niners. SF would score seven TDs and
still be under the number!
NAZZ
|
29.622 | lasted time: 38-15; 53 total | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Thu Jan 19 1995 17:47 | 0 |
29.623 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Thu Jan 19 1995 18:54 | 6 |
29.624 | SB line still moving | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Fri Jan 20 1995 13:36 | 9 |
29.625 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Fri Jan 20 1995 13:39 | 12 |
29.626 | lasted of College football | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Fri Jan 20 1995 14:21 | 9 |
| College Football:
Senior Bowl:
North 1 South
over/under 38
Hula Bowl:
West 1 East
over/under 38
|
29.627 | The SHARE::DERRY Memorial Start o' Hokey Season Lines | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Fri Jan 20 1995 14:22 | 10 |
29.628 | take the over | METSNY::francus | There is no joy in Mudville | Fri Jan 20 1995 14:26 | 3 |
| .626 is like putting a line on the Pro Bowl. Complete crapshoot.
The Crazy Met
|
29.629 | Ttom, you may *still* not have a line | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Steve Sherman @MFR | Fri Jan 20 1995 16:07 | 25 |
| From an AP dispatch on 18 Jan., dateline Las Vegas:
The biggest Super Bowl spread ever grew even wider Monday -- 20-1/2
points at one sports book -- as oddsmakers struggled to find a line
enticing enough to draw some money on the underdogs.
...
"We've done everything we can to attract money on the Chargers,
but there just isn't any," said Bob Gregorka, sports book manager
at the Sands hotel-casino, where the 49ers were favored by 19
points Monday. "The scary part about the 19 points is the
sophisticated gamblers are not taking it. It's a sign for the
future that says it will go even higher."
...
"It's hard to stop the 49er money," said Bill Sattler, book
supervisor at Harrah's hotel-casino. "We could put up 24 and
they'd bet on it. I see it going up to at least 20 or 21."
Personally, I think you'd be nuts to bet on the 49ers. They could beat
the spread, send in the scrubs, and give it all back. I'd only bet if
I felt the Chargers were going to beat the spread anyway.
Of course, I'm not a betting man, myself, and this discussion is purely
theoretical.
Steve
|
29.630 | unbelievable | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Fri Jan 20 1995 16:22 | 15 |
29.631 | | ONOFRE::MAY_BR | pet rocks, pogs, Dallas Cowboys | Fri Jan 20 1995 18:27 | 7 |
|
I think you'll see the pros waiting for the line to go way up and put
their money on SD, late after its been run up a bit. Vegas won't
like this.
brews
|
29.632 | enough to make you wish you were in Vegas | CNTROL::CHILDS | The Mekons ROOOOL | Tue Jan 24 1995 13:47 | 77 |
|
All the lines you could ever want:
Niners 19 (53 1/2) Chargers
Money Line:
Niners -$1100 Chargers +$700
First Scoring Play: Total Points:
Niners Chargers
7-2 FG 5-1 0-10 40-1
9-5 pass 7-1 11-20 20-1
7-2 run 10-1 21-30 8-1
15-1 otherTD 25-1 31-40 6-1
40-1 safety 40-1 41-50 3-1
51-60 5-2
61-70 7-2
Margin of victory 71-80 7-1
Niners Chargers 81-90 12-1
8-1 1-6pts 10-1 90+ 12-1
5-1 7-12 15-1
5-2 13-18 25-1 Total Field Goals:
5-2 19-24 40-1
6-1 25-30 50-1 0 6-1
10-1 30-36 100-1 1 7-2
8-1 37+ 100-1 2 3-1
3 5-2
Last Scoring play: 4 9-2
Niners Chargers 5 8-1
3-1 FG 6-1 6 or + 15-1
2-1 pass 6-1
7-2 run 12-1 Total Interceptions:
20-1 otherTD 25-1 0 5-1
25-1 safety 30-1 1 3-1
2 5-2
TD Pass Thrown: 3 9-2
Young Humphries 4 12-1
6-1 0 5-2 5 or + 15-1
5-1 1 2-1
5-2 2 5-2 Total Fumbles lost:
5-2 3 9-2 0 6-1
9-2 4 10-1 1 3-1
7-1 5 20-1 2 2-1
10-1 6+ 40-1 3 4-1
4 6-1
Receptions 5 or + 8-1
Rice Seay
15-1 0 10-1 first half line Niners - 10
10-1 1 8-1 over/under 1sr half 27
10-1 2 5-1
8-1 3 7-2 Most yards rushing:
7-1 4 4-1 Means -$130 Watters -$110
5-1 5 9-2 Total Yards Rushing & Receiving
4-1 6 6-1 Watters over/under 102 1/2 yards
4-1 7 10-1 Harmon over/under 54 1/2 yards
5-1 8 15-1
8-1 9+ 20-1
First Player to score a TD:
Rice 3-1
Watters 5-1
Floyd 6-1
Means 8-1
Jones 8-1
Young 8-1
Taylor 10-1
Martin 15-1
Seay 15-1
Jefferson 18-1
Harmon 20-1
Pupunu 25-1
Sanders 30-1
Humphries 30-1
Field 12-1
No TD 100-1
|
29.633 | Whats the over/under on Nike ads? | ODIXIE::ZOGRAN | Testudo is still grounded! | Wed Jan 25 1995 12:57 | 11 |
| What, no line on-
How many steps Deon takes with his hand on his helmet before he hits the
goal line after an interception?
Bud Bowl, and if the dudes get off the island?
Guess the real bettros have to go to England.:-)
UMDan
|
29.634 | | HELIX::MAIEWSKI | | Thu Jan 26 1995 12:10 | 5 |
| Anyone got the line on the Superbowl?
Is it still 19.5 for the 49'ers?
George
|
29.635 | ???????? | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | jan 1, 279, 270 267.. 230 or bust!!!! | Thu Jan 26 1995 12:13 | 4 |
|
18.5 this moning in the paper
|
29.636 | final lines | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Tue Jan 31 1995 15:57 | 5 |
29.637 | NBA tonight | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Tue Jan 31 1995 15:57 | 7 |
| NBA:
NEW YORK 12 golden state
charlotte 5 WASHINGTON
HOUSTON 11 denver
MILWAUKEE 5 dallas
LA LAKERS 4 chicago
san antonio 3 SACRAMENTO
|
29.638 | Pro Bowl | HBAHBA::HAAS | dingle lingo | Tue Jan 31 1995 16:02 | 3 |
| Pro Bowl:
NFC 2 AFC
over/under 39
|
29.639 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Plan 9 from Outer Space | Wed Feb 08 1995 16:26 | 12 |
29.640 | no place in college sports | HBAHBA::HAAS | Plan 9 from Outer Space | Mon Feb 13 1995 16:38 | 7 |
29.641 | a little NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Plan 9 from Outer Space | Tue Feb 21 1995 15:26 | 8 |
29.642 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Plan 9 from Outer Space | Mon Feb 27 1995 18:09 | 9 |
29.643 | NBA II KNIGHT | HBAHBA::HAAS | Plan 9 from Outer Space | Tue Feb 28 1995 13:36 | 7 |
29.644 | smore | HBAHBA::HAAS | Plan 9 from Outer Space | Thu Mar 02 1995 13:38 | 7 |
| NBA:
NEW YORK 6 chicago
cleveland 2 DALLAS
atlanta 2 MILWAUKEE
HOUSTON 3 orlando
PORTLAND 4 charlotte
seattle 11 LA CLIPPERS
|
29.645 | Bam Bam favored | HBAHBA::HAAS | Plan 9 from Outer Space | Thu Mar 02 1995 14:59 | 10 |
| Wrestlemaina XI:
Bam Bam Bigelow 6:5 over LT
Note: the opening line was 5-1 but it was announced that LT will be
training with Big Daddy Cool Diesel afore the match.
Danny Sheridan, on the matchup:
"If Buster Douglas can beat Mike Tyson, LT can beat
Bam Bam Bigelow".
|
29.646 | | PTOSS1::JACOBR | Lernin' me agin! | Thu Mar 02 1995 15:46 | 6 |
| Who have the choreographer and script writer written into the script to
win????
JaKe
|
29.647 | Friday night fights | HBAHBA::HAAS | Plan 9 from Outer Space | Fri Mar 03 1995 16:20 | 10 |
29.648 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Plan 9 from Outer Space | Mon Mar 06 1995 13:59 | 3 |
| CHICAGO 7 portland
SEATTLE 16 golden state
minnesota 0 LA CLIPPES
|
29.649 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Plan 9 from Outer Space | Thu Mar 09 1995 16:10 | 5 |
29.650 | ACC play in | HBAHBA::HAAS | Plan 9 from Outer Space | Thu Mar 09 1995 16:11 | 2 |
| ACC play in:
Duke 5 NC State
|
29.651 | Sweet 16 | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Tue Mar 21 1995 12:35 | 15 |
29.652 | 2 TD favorites | OUTSRC::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Tue Mar 21 1995 13:56 | 1 |
29.653 | lines and odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Wed Mar 22 1995 12:45 | 32 |
29.654 | Where are the Razorbacks? | WREATH::SCOPA | | Wed Mar 22 1995 13:34 | 1 |
| Where's Arkansas' odds to win it?
|
29.655 | oops | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Wed Mar 22 1995 13:35 | 5 |
| Sorry about that.
Arkansas is 7:1.
TTom
|
29.656 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Wed Mar 22 1995 13:59 | 10 |
29.657 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | Hoshia Nah,Baruch Haba B'shem Adonai | Wed Mar 22 1995 14:02 | 1 |
29.658 | could be a good chance at entertainment | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Wed Mar 22 1995 14:02 | 5 |
| I like 'em at 400:1. I also like Mississippi St at 100:1.
Just fer grins, dontcha know.
TTom
|
29.659 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | Hoshia Nah,Baruch Haba B'shem Adonai | Wed Mar 22 1995 14:05 | 1 |
29.660 | going legal | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Wed Mar 22 1995 14:05 | 4 |
| Hail, just go up the street road to Vegas and bet the school lunch on
'em.
TTom
|
29.661 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | Hoshia Nah,Baruch Haba B'shem Adonai | Wed Mar 22 1995 14:21 | 1 |
29.662 | | BIGQ::MCKAY | | Wed Mar 22 1995 14:37 | 5 |
| Mike,
should've could've would've........you can tear up your Arizona
35:1 ticket now though. 8*)
Jimbo
|
29.663 | thought you had to go to Vegas to get on Kentucky's back | AKOCOA::BREEN | The roar of the paint | Wed Mar 22 1995 14:44 | 5 |
| I didn't think the Indian reservation gambling halls and Atlantic city
could do sprots betting?
I thought that was legal only in Vegas and Ontario Canada (via lottery
method, but intriguing).
|
29.664 | | ONOFRE::MAY_BR | pet rocks, pogs, Dallas Cowboys | Wed Mar 22 1995 15:27 | 6 |
|
That's right Kev, no Sports books at the Indian reservations, not even
free drinks. MaB would be happy with all the bluehairs and their bingo
but that's about all that they are good for, IMO.
brews
|
29.665 | | CAMONE::WAY | USS Kete, SS-306, On Eternal Patrol | Wed Mar 22 1995 15:40 | 15 |
| > That's right Kev, no Sports books at the Indian reservations, not even
> free drinks. MaB would be happy with all the bluehairs and their bingo
> but that's about all that they are good for, IMO.
You oughta come out to Foxwoods, Brews.
They've got a great reputation.
They offer high-stakes bingo (of course) but also high-stakes poker,
blackjack (with a VIP room), roulette, craps, slots (lots and lots and lots).
The facility is beautiful, and the addition of the hotel and convention
center is going along well too.
'Saw
|
29.666 | not one of my fave hobbies | OUTSRC::HEISER | Hoshia Nah,Baruch Haba B'shem Adonai | Wed Mar 22 1995 15:54 | 2 |
29.667 | we should all have reservations about gambling | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Wed Mar 22 1995 15:51 | 0 |
29.668 | | ONOFRE::MAY_BR | pet rocks, pogs, Dallas Cowboys | Wed Mar 22 1995 15:58 | 4 |
| I like it when Mike H snarfs #666
brews
|
29.669 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | Hoshia Nah,Baruch Haba B'shem Adonai | Wed Mar 22 1995 16:00 | 3 |
29.670 | most of 'em | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Wed Mar 22 1995 16:03 | 8 |
| > Tom, what hotel takes reservations on gambling.
If'n you're talking about Vegas about all of 'em.
I usually stay at Palace Station. It's away from the main craziness and
they have several packages depending on how much you're willing to risk.
TTom
|
29.671 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | Hoshia Nah,Baruch Haba B'shem Adonai | Wed Mar 22 1995 16:07 | 2 |
29.672 | on the strip | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Wed Mar 22 1995 16:09 | 5 |
| I hid a parlay at Treasure Island. Relative to most of the places right
on the strip, they don't have all that much sports betting. Especially
compared to next door at the Mirage or 2 doors down at Caesar's.
TTom
|
29.673 | | ONOFRE::MAY_BR | pet rocks, pogs, Dallas Cowboys | Wed Mar 22 1995 16:13 | 5 |
| > I hid a parlay at Treasure Island.
Where is it? Is it easy to find?
brews
|
29.674 | one maybe two more | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Wed Mar 22 1995 16:25 | 7 |
29.675 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | Hoshia Nah,Baruch Haba B'shem Adonai | Wed Mar 22 1995 17:35 | 2 |
29.676 | | CSLALL::BRULE | Was there life before ESPN? | Wed Mar 22 1995 18:14 | 5 |
| I have a 9 day vaca in Vegas beginning 12/23. 2 nights at MGM 7 at the
Sahara. Should be fun during the College Bowl week. Anyone ever stay at
the Sahara. The MGM Sports parlor is pretty impressive.
Mike
|
29.677 | huge | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Wed Mar 22 1995 18:27 | 8 |
| Mike,
I haven't stayed there but the MGM parlor is freakin huge. In fack,
everythang about the MGM is huge. You need a guide to get through the
place. You go in one entrance and you're in Vegas and you got out the
back and you're in Kalifornia ;-).
TTom
|
29.678 | more importantly | OUTSRC::HEISER | Hoshia Nah,Baruch Haba B'shem Adonai | Wed Mar 22 1995 18:47 | 1 |
29.679 | | ONOFRE::MAY_BR | pet rocks, pogs, Dallas Cowboys | Wed Mar 22 1995 19:30 | 5 |
| I stayed at the MGM right after it opened. Aside from it's size, I
wasn't that impressed. It was a pretty good time for my kid, which is
quite an accomplishment for Vegas.
brews
|
29.680 | | CSLALL::BRULE | Was there life before ESPN? | Thu Mar 23 1995 11:21 | 6 |
| I'm bringing my 16 year old son with me and the wife. I'm sure he'll
stay occupied. He's probably too young to bring to one of them
there ranches out in the suburbs. He'd probably wonder why he had to
pay for something he could get free anyway.
Mike
|
29.681 | Regionals | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Fri Mar 24 1995 12:57 | 13 |
| East:
Wake Forest 1 Oklahoma St
over/under 127
Massachusetts 11 Tulsa
over/under 136
Midwest:
Arkansas 6 Memphis
over/under 158
Kansas 5 Virginia
over/under 139
|
29.682 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Fri Mar 24 1995 13:38 | 10 |
| NBA:
INDIANA 9 sacramento
MIAMI 8 golden state
CLEVELAND 6 atlanta
PHILADELPHIA 2 boston
san antonio 7 MINNESOTA
CHICAGO 3 orlando
PHOENIX 5 houston
PORTLAND 0 seattle
LA LAKERS 8 washington
|
29.683 | Final Four | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Mon Mar 27 1995 15:00 | 14 |
29.684 | NIT | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Mon Mar 27 1995 17:27 | 3 |
| NIT:
Va Tech 5 Canisius
Penn St 2 Marquette
|
29.685 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Mon Mar 27 1995 17:28 | 5 |
29.686 | Final Four update | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Tue Mar 28 1995 16:24 | 14 |
29.687 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Tue Mar 28 1995 16:34 | 9 |
29.688 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Wed Mar 29 1995 17:08 | 7 |
29.689 | NIT finals | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Wed Mar 29 1995 17:09 | 3 |
29.690 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Thu Mar 30 1995 16:18 | 7 |
29.691 | Final Four update | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Fri Mar 31 1995 14:26 | 16 |
29.692 | | SMARTT::CHILDS | End Corporate Welfare Instead! | Fri Mar 31 1995 14:26 | 3 |
|
Looks like Dean's picking up support with the bettors....goody goody the
seeds for the choke are being sown.......
|
29.693 | yep | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Fri Mar 31 1995 14:33 | 5 |
| You said a mouthful there, Mike.
I don't understand why the over/under is dropping, though.
TTom
|
29.694 | | MKOTS3::LONG | movin' on up! | Fri Mar 31 1995 15:24 | 6 |
| Wonder if Tommy has any more predictions regarding UCLA. Or maybe
he "doesn't have a thing to wear". <inside joke for married guys>
billl
|
29.695 | final hooops line | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Mon Apr 03 1995 15:10 | 6 |
29.696 | back to NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Tue Apr 04 1995 14:30 | 10 |
29.697 | What gives? | NWD002::JOYNER_GL | Did I do that? | Tue Apr 04 1995 15:43 | 6 |
| re:-1
Why in the world is Sacexcremento favored by 3+ over Houston? Have the
Rockets really fallen that far since picking up Clyde? ;^)
Glen.
|
29.698 | no Hakeem, Maxwell | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Tue Apr 04 1995 16:19 | 6 |
| Neither Hakeem nor Maxwell is even going on the trip. Horry is dinged up
as well.
Besides, Houston's been going downhill since they traded Thorpe.
TTom
|
29.699 | truth wins again | OUTSRC::HEISER | next year in Jerusalem! | Tue Apr 04 1995 17:53 | 1 |
29.700 | SNARF | OUTSRC::HEISER | next year in Jerusalem! | Tue Apr 04 1995 17:53 | 1 |
29.701 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Wed Apr 05 1995 14:16 | 8 |
29.702 | Masters Odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Thu Apr 06 1995 14:19 | 16 |
| Some Odds for the Masters:
Nick Faldo 7:1
Greg Norman 8:1
Ernie Els 8:1
Nick Price 10:1
Ian Woosnan 10:1
Davis Love III 10:1
Fred Couples 12:1
Bernhard Langer 15:1
Corey Pavin 18:1
Jose Maria Olazabal 18:1
...
Jack Nicklaus 250:1
John Daly 500:1
Tiger Woods 100,000:1
|
29.703 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Thu Apr 06 1995 15:09 | 5 |
29.704 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Fri Apr 07 1995 14:04 | 10 |
29.705 | Boxing | HBAHBA::HAAS | recurring recusancy | Fri Apr 07 1995 17:32 | 16 |
| Saturday night at the fights (Caesar's Palace):
WBC Heavyweight Championship:
Oliver McCall 9:5 Larry Holmes
WBC Super Lightweight Championship:
Julio Cesar Chavez 6:1 Giovanni Parisi
IBF Welterweight Championship:
Felix Trinidad 12:1 Roger Turner
WBC Super Welterweight Championship:
Terry Norris 12:1 Luis Santana
WBA Heavyweight Championship:
Tony Tucker 3:1 Bruce Seldon
|
29.706 | Can't imagine how pissed I'd be if I paid for that fiasco | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | Thanks for a great year UMass! | Mon Apr 10 1995 19:52 | 12 |
| Watched the Holmes-McCall fight. Bad is too kind a word to describe
this "event". Pathetic comes to mind, as does the phrase "waste of
time". McCall showed he's a sparring partner who got lucky. Holmes
showed he's 58 years old, or whatever he is. Ol' larry would fight for
the firsted 20 seconds of a round, then take the rest of the round off.
He actually won four rounds on my card doing that, but only one after
the sixth. McCall's only really effective round was the 9th, but even
that was no great shakes. Holmes had a cut on his cheek from that
round that made him look like he was stabbed, but McCall couldn't use
that to his advantage.
NAZZ
|
29.707 | ho hum | HBAHBA::HAAS | You ate my hiding place. | Mon Apr 10 1995 20:03 | 15 |
| I read the results and it looked like it was money well saved.
I've heard that McCall had to win the lasted three rounds just to get the
decision.
Terry Norris knocked a buy completely unconscious but unfortunately it
was about 7 seconds after the round ended. He was disqualified and if'n I
read it right this is the second time his opponent has won a championship
by the other guy being disqualified.
The other heavy, Tucker, lost his alphabet soup belt in a TKO.
And Chavez totally outclassed his man.
TTom
|
29.708 | | DZIGN::ROBICHAUD | Don'tCallMeFishRookie! | Mon Apr 10 1995 21:07 | 5 |
| Actually the Tucker/Seldon fight wasn't too bad and I would love to
see Trinidad fight Whitaker (but don't hold your breath). Looks like
Marvin Hagler is loading up on the pasta over in Italy.
/Don
|
29.709 | Larry's 46 | CNTROL::CHILDS | End Corporate Welfare Instead! | Tue Apr 11 1995 13:01 | 6 |
|
Trindad/Whitaker won't happen cause Pernell wants King to also give Pernell
another shot at Chavez. King won't do it. Don't know why Pernell wants
another shot at Chavez, he prove to me he's the man in that matchup.
mike
|
29.710 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | You ate my hiding place. | Tue Apr 11 1995 14:32 | 11 |
29.711 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | You ate my hiding place. | Wed Apr 12 1995 14:33 | 7 |
| NBA:
CHARLOTTE 10 new jersey
chicago 7 DETROIT
ATLANTA 9 washington
MINNESOTA 4 golden state
PHOENIX 3 san antonio
SACRAMENTO 1 la lakers
|
29.712 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | You ate my hiding place. | Mon Apr 17 1995 16:12 | 8 |
29.713 | NBA Playoffs | HBAHBA::HAAS | You ate my hiding place. | Tue Apr 25 1995 14:12 | 35 |
29.714 | updated playoffs; bulls to 2 1/2 | HBAHBA::HAAS | You ate my hiding place. | Thu Apr 27 1995 16:02 | 40 |
29.715 | Updated NBA with o/u | HBAHBA::HAAS | You ate my hiding place. | Fri Apr 28 1995 16:30 | 22 |
29.716 | Early Kentucky Derby | HBAHBA::HAAS | You ate my hiding place. | Fri Apr 28 1995 17:26 | 19 |
| Talkin Man 4-1
Serena's Song 9-2
Afternoon Deelites 5-1
Timber Contry 5-1
Jumron 10-1
Tejano Run 10-1
Suave Prospect 12-1
Thunder Gulch 12-1
Dazzling Falls 22-1
Eltish 22-1
Wild Syn 25-1
Ski Captain 30-1
In Character 40-1
Pyramid Peak 40-1
Mecke 50-1
Jambalaya Jazz 60-1
Citadeed 75-1
Knockadoon 75-1
Lake George 100-1
|
29.717 | You heard it here first! | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | Thanks for a great year UMass! | Fri Apr 28 1995 17:33 | 3 |
| Jumron at 10-1 would be like stealin'!
NAZZ
|
29.718 | What happend to Larry the Legend? | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Fri Apr 28 1995 17:47 | 1 |
|
|
29.719 | on IR | HBAHBA::HAAS | You ate my hiding place. | Fri Apr 28 1995 17:51 | 4 |
| I seem to recollect that he had some minor leg/foot injury that precludes
the Derby but wasn't serious enough to put him down.
TTom
|
29.720 | NBA odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | You ate my hiding place. | Fri Apr 28 1995 18:04 | 18 |
| Danny Sheridan's Odds *AGAINST* winning the NBA Championsip;
San Antonio 2:1
Orlando 3:1
Seattle 4:1
Utah 5:1
Phoenix 5:1
New York 6:1
Indiana 8:1
Chicago 10:1
Charlotte 25:1
Houston 30:1
LA Lakers 100:1
Portland 500:1
Denver 1,000:1
Atlanta 2,000:1
Cleveland 3,000:1
Boston 100,000:1
|
29.721 | | MKOTS3::LONG | Spring has sprung, grass has riz | Fri Apr 28 1995 19:37 | 7 |
| >Wild Syn 25-1
Looks like a very good possibility to bet the house on.
billl
|
29.722 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | You ate my hiding place. | Mon May 01 1995 14:52 | 5 |
29.723 | updated Derby | HBAHBA::HAAS | You ate my hiding place. | Mon May 01 1995 15:03 | 23 |
| Serena's Song 5-2 (1)
Timber Contry 5-2 (1)
Talkin Man 7-2
Afternoon Deelites 4-1
Jumron 10-1
Tejano Run 10-1
Wild Syn 10-1
Suave Prospect 12-1
Thunder Gulch 12-1
Eltish 12-1
Ski Captain 15-1 (2)
In Character 15-1 (2)
Citadeed 15-1 (2)
Lake George 15-1 (2)
Knockadoon 15-1 (2)
Mecke 15-1 (2)
Dazzling Falls 20-1
Pyramid Peak 20-1 (3)
Jambalaya Jazz 20-1 (3)
(1) Coupled in betting; same owner
(2) Coupled in betting; field
(3) Coupled in betting; same owner
|
29.724 | it's official: Bulls favored | HBAHBA::HAAS | terminal delirium | Tue May 02 1995 14:52 | 12 |
29.725 | When I see X Favored I think favored to win it all | MR1PST::THEKGB::MBROOKS | | Wed May 03 1995 12:24 | 6 |
| and boy did they cover, if anyone didnt expect Chicago to be favored
at home they dont understand basketball and what the point spread is
for and all about..... Im still surprised chicago was favored in
Charlotte... anyone have the late scorea did SA and Pho end there
series ?
mab
|
29.726 | | CSC32::MACGREGOR | | Wed May 03 1995 12:39 | 3 |
|
No scores, but SA, Phoenix and Indiana go on to the next round.
|
29.727 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | terminal delirium | Wed May 03 1995 18:46 | 6 |
29.728 | | USCTR1::GARBARINO | | Wed May 03 1995 19:21 | 5 |
29.729 | Good call! | HBAHBA::HAAS | terminal delirium | Thu May 04 1995 14:11 | 0 |
29.730 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | terminal delirium | Thu May 04 1995 14:17 | 9 |
29.731 | I'll take Thunder Gultch | AKOCOA::BREEN | They don't make Chews like Charlston any more.. | Thu May 04 1995 21:32 | 61 |
|
#KENTUCKY DERBY FIELD#
----------------------
THE FIELD FOR SATURDAY'S $957,400 KENTUCKY DERBY AT CHURCHILL DOWNS
IN LOUISVILLE:
PP HORSE TRAINER JOCKEY ODDS
-- ----- ------- ------- ----
1 Dazzling Falls Chuck Turco Garrett Gomez 20-1
2 f-Knockadoon Tony Reinstedler Chris McCarron 12-1
3 b-Pyramid Peak John Ward Herb McCauley 20-1
4 Wild Syn Tom Arnemann Randy Romero 15-1
5 b-Jambalaya Jazz John Ward Craig Perret 20-1
6 Suave Prospect Nick Zito Julie Krone 12-1
7 Eltish Henry Cecil Eddie Delahoussaye 12-1
8 f-Lake George Mike Orman Shane Sellers 12-1
9 f-In Character Bruce Jackson Chris Antley 12-1
10 Jumron Gary Lewis Goncalino Almeida 10-1
11 Talkin Man Roger Attfield Mike Smith 7-2
12 Afternoon Deelites Richard Mandella Kent Desmormeaux 9-2
13 a-Serena's Song D. Wayne Lukas Corey Nakatani 5-2
14 Tejano Run Ken McPeek Jerry Bailey 10-1
15 a-Timber Country D. Wayne Lukas Pat Day 5-2
16 Thunder Gulch D. Wayne Lukas Gary Stevens 12-1
17 f-Ski Captain Hideyuki Mori Yutaka Take 12-1
18 f-Mecke Emanuel Tortora Robbie Davis 12-1
19 f-Citadeed Peter Chapple-Hyam Eddie Maple 12-1
a - D. Wayne Lukas entry
b - John Ward entry
f - mutuel field
ALL WILL CARRY 126 POUNDS EXCEPT SERENA'S SONG WHO WILL CARRY 121
DISTANCE: 1 1/4 MILES
POST: APPROXIMATELY 5:40 P.M. EDT
|
29.732 | | MKOTS3::LONG | Spring has sprung, grass has riz | Thu May 04 1995 22:37 | 7 |
| I said it before and I'll say it again...Wild Syn has a certain
ring to it. What else would you use to try and pick the winner
to this stuff? Certainly not some obscure scientific method like
which horse takes a dump last.
billl
|
29.733 | NBA in da East | HBAHBA::HAAS | may not have happened | Wed May 31 1995 14:35 | 3 |
| NBA:
ORLANDO 6 indiana
over/under: 203
|
29.734 | ...hey, I did it once ! | USCTR1::GARBARINO | | Wed May 31 1995 17:43 | 4 |
| > ORLANDO 6 indiana
> over/under: 203
take the under
|
29.735 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | JJS the BucketsMaster | Thu Jun 01 1995 11:24 | 2 |
|
bad choice........
|
29.736 | hoops and hokey | HBAHBA::HAAS | may not have happened | Thu Jun 01 1995 14:03 | 12 |
29.737 | | USCTR1::GARBARINO | | Thu Jun 01 1995 14:10 | 3 |
| > bad choice........
Yup. That's why I've never gambled.
|
29.738 | almost ever day? | HBAHBA::HAAS | may not have happened | Thu Jun 01 1995 14:17 | 5 |
| >Yup. That's why I've never gambled.
Then what the hail do you call workin fer Digital? :*)
TTom
|
29.739 | NBA II Knight | HBAHBA::HAAS | may not have happened | Fri Jun 02 1995 12:57 | 4 |
29.740 | NBA Finals | HBAHBA::HAAS | Co-Captor of the Wind Demon | Tue Jun 06 1995 14:01 | 6 |
29.741 | Hokey | HBAHBA::HAAS | Co-Captor of the Wind Demon | Tue Jun 06 1995 14:02 | 3 |
| NHL:
detroit 6:5 CHICAGO
over/under 5 Octopi
|
29.742 | line would be about 10 in DetRiot | AD::HEATH | Don't get to excited yet | Tue Jun 06 1995 15:56 | 3 |
|
go with the under on the Octopi, this game is in ChiTown
|
29.743 | Octopi alert for Chicago | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | Celtics coach? I'm available! | Tue Jun 06 1995 17:36 | 8 |
| I love the under in the Rockets-Magic game, but beware of the under
with the octopi. I heard a newsman from Chicago say that many of the
fans in Chitown are pissed at the owner and are not going to the
playoffs. The 20,000 seat arena had only 12,000 for one game in the
last series. Supposedly, a lot of Detroit fans are making the trip to
Chicago for Game 3, and they are bringing octopi with them!
NAZZ
|
29.744 | more NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Co-Captor of the Wind Demon | Wed Jun 07 1995 17:52 | 25 |
29.745 | hokey | HBAHBA::HAAS | Co-Captor of the Wind Demon | Wed Jun 07 1995 17:53 | 3 |
29.746 | NBA Finals, Game deux | HBAHBA::HAAS | Co-Captor of the Wind Demon | Fri Jun 09 1995 14:17 | 9 |
29.747 | Yet another reason I'm glad I don't live in Nevada! | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | Celtics coach? I'm available! | Fri Jun 09 1995 17:48 | 4 |
| Er, ah ... was that me who liked the under in Game 1? I thought I
liked the under for Game 7 of Orlando-Indiana.
NAZZ
|
29.748 | NBA game fore | HBAHBA::HAAS | Co-Captor of the Wind Demon | Tue Jun 13 1995 12:55 | 4 |
29.749 | hokey | HBAHBA::HAAS | Co-Captor of the Wind Demon | Tue Jun 13 1995 13:06 | 3 |
29.750 | NHL; o/u on octopi unknown | HBAHBA::HAAS | Co-Captor of the Wind Demon | Thu Jun 15 1995 17:13 | 4 |
| NFL:
Saturday:
DETROIT 11:5 new jersey
series odds: Detroit, 12:5
|
29.751 | US Open | HBAHBA::HAAS | Co-Captor of the Wind Demon | Thu Jun 15 1995 17:33 | 15 |
| I couldn't find Danny Sheridan's odds for the U.S. Open but here's
another opinion, also from the USA Today, Steve Hershey:
Odds *against* winning the US Open:
Nick Faldo 4:1
Colin Montgomery 6:1
Payne Stewart 8:1
Nick Price 9:1
Greg Norman 10:1
Lee Janzen 12:1
Mark Calcavecchia 15:1
Ben Crenshaw 18:1
Davis Love III 22:1
Corey Pavin 25:1
|
29.752 | Brad is due | AKOCOA::BREEN | Turn out the lights, the party's over | Thu Jun 15 1995 19:36 | 7 |
| Well that line must have come from an English Bookmaker. Els had to be
one of the favorites. It is true that 50 or so Americans all have a
shot but not in the top 5 which is Els,Price,Faldo,Norman and Langer.
But an American to win is probably more than an even chance; Faxon is
worth watching from Rhode Island, the oldtimers like Floyd, Irvin etal
bear watching especially Floyd who won it there 10 years ago.
|
29.753 | missing Els | HBAHBA::HAAS | Co-Captor of the Wind Demon | Thu Jun 15 1995 20:21 | 4 |
| I noticed the omission of Els, also. In fack, next to where they had the
odds was a picture and a_article on him.
TTom
|
29.754 | | CSC32::MACGREGOR | Colorado: the TRUE mid-west | Thu Jun 15 1995 21:11 | 11 |
|
It gets better. According to the odds, 98.8% of the possible winners
have already been accounted for, or (in other words) there is a 1.2%
chance that someone else will win it. Boy, if I was a betting man, I'd
put a dollar down on that, because that equates to 83.33:1 for the
odds.
Either that or the author just doesn't understand math 8^)
Marc
|
29.755 | maybe ernie was nonplussed by tiger's drives | AKOCOA::BREEN | Turn out the lights, the party's over | Fri Jun 16 1995 13:54 | 5 |
| Well he was right about Els - Simpson (Tim) is doing his annual open
transformation in footsteps of the immortal Andy North - another who
alswasy shows up is jumbo ozaki who I thought perhaps was too old.
Price and Norman will be hard to beat
|
29.756 | NHL Game II | HBAHBA::HAAS | improbable cause | Tue Jun 20 1995 15:16 | 3 |
| NHL:
DETROIT 11:5 new jersey
over/under 5
|
29.757 | NBA 95-96 odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | improbable cause | Wed Jun 21 1995 13:30 | 31 |
| Odds *against* winning the NBA title nexted year:
Orlando 5:1
San Antonio 6:1
Chicago 7:1
Phoenix 7:1
Seattle 8:1
Indiana 9:1
Houston 10:1
Utah 12:1
New York 15:1
LA Lakers 20:1
Charlotte 20:1
Cleveland 40:1
Portland 50:1
Dallas 100:1
Denver 100:1
Atlanta 200:1
Golden State 500:1
Milwaukee 1,000:1
Washington 1,000:1
Boston 10,000:1
Miami 25,000:1
New Jersey 25,000:1
Sacramento 50,000:1
Detroit 75,000:1
Philadelphia 75,000:1
LA Clippers 100,000:1
Minnesota 1,000,000:1
Toronto 1,000,000,000:1
Vancouver 1,000,000,000:1
|
29.758 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | | Wed Jun 21 1995 14:17 | 4 |
|
The two-time defending champs 7th on that list? Wow...
I don't know about Clyde, but Hakeem doesn't look like he's slowing down...
|
29.759 | That 500-1 is mighty tempting | VERBOS::NAZZARO | Bring ALexi Lalas to Boston! | Wed Jun 21 1995 15:19 | 3 |
| I might like to put $20 down on Golden State.
NAZZ
|
29.760 | Is that really one billion to one? | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Wed Jun 21 1995 16:02 | 2 |
| Why not just toss it on Vancouver and Toronto. Somebody give me a
possible lineup to add to Parrish, Dominique...
|
29.761 | a lock | HBAHBA::HAAS | improbable cause | Tue Jun 27 1995 16:01 | 5 |
| Odds on a long hot summer with nothing but NASCAR to protect us from MLB:
1:1
TTom
|
29.762 | Will Cleveland choke? | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove! | Tue Jun 27 1995 17:02 | 8 |
|
I heard on the radio this AM that the Cleveland Indians
are the faves at 2:1 to win the World Series. I think it
was according to the sports book at Caesar's.
BTW - they also said that the Niners were favored for the SB, the
Spurs for the NBA and the Red Wings for the Stanley Cup.
|
29.763 | Vegas getting antsy???? | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | the Halfway House Ruth Built... | Wed Jul 05 1995 19:57 | 19 |
|
WEEK 1 NFL Lines already in. !!!!!!
PATS 3.5 Cle
INDY 6 Bengals
Hou 7 JACKSONVILLE
ATL 14 Carolina
S.F 9 N.O
PHIL 6 tb
GB 6 rams
PITT 6.5 det
MIA 10 jets
OAK 3 sd :-)
SEA 1.5 kc
pho 2 WAS
CHI 3 minny
DEN 5 buff
dal 5.5 NYG
|
29.764 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | The dream is always the same | Wed Jul 05 1995 20:20 | 2 |
29.765 | | BIGQ::MCKAY | | Thu Jul 06 1995 11:51 | 5 |
| please let us know what section your sitting in, so those of us
watching from home will know it's you getting pummeled when the
camera scans the crowd. 8*)
Jimbo
|
29.766 | mano-mano no points or do you really need 'em | AD::HEATH | Tribe Rooools Sox Suck (again by the way) | Thu Jul 06 1995 12:27 | 3 |
|
Been sold out for awhile now Paul. What make that bet now or latter.
|
29.767 | MLB All Star | HBAHBA::HAAS | improbable cause | Mon Jul 10 1995 17:08 | 5 |
29.768 | SI trying to remedy that baseball attnedance thang | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Mon Jul 10 1995 17:28 | 15 |
| Speaking of fans Tom, SI feature a pro baseball series of articles
including one on Cleveland (available to any mko Cleve fan as a piece
offering).
But the best thing in the issue was a letter responding to the
pilloring of Miami U. with one sentence:
"The day Miami gives up football will be the same day SI gives up the
swimsuit issue".
Touche. SI has gotten so screamingly PC lately it's sickening tho they
merely reported how Brown had to give up many sports opportunities for
men because of lack of interest by women in the corresponding sports
offerings and the quotas mandated by the misguided interpretation of
Title IX.
|
29.769 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | Where is the grass greener? | Mon Jul 10 1995 17:56 | 10 |
|
I still can't believe that SI didn't put the New
Jersey Devils on the cover. Instead they put Mike Tyson on the
cover. New Jersey still isn't getting any respect, yet demolished
everybody in the playoffs. I don't care how they won the Cup. They
went 16-5 during the playoffs and deserved the cover of SI. When was
the last time a Word Series, NBA Champion, Stanley Cup Champ, or
Super Bowl champion wasn't on the cover of SI?
Ron
|
29.770 | 94 Rockets not on SI cover | HBAHBA::HAAS | improbable cause | Mon Jul 10 1995 18:07 | 7 |
| > the last time a Word Series, NBA Champion, Stanley Cup Champ, or
> Super Bowl champion wasn't on the cover of SI?
Lasted year, when the Rockets won their firsted title, SI had that dang
ol' World Cup on the cover.
TTom
|
29.771 | Even Tyson sucks more than Jersey | FABSIX::E_MAXWELL | Really, I like pickeral. | Tue Jul 11 1995 07:47 | 5 |
| Re .769--- I totally agree, hockey is not getting the respect
that a major sport should. An artist rendition of Tyson
instead of the Stanley Cup champions is way out of line.
Lil Ed
|
29.772 | americans could care less about hockey | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | The dream is always the same | Tue Jul 11 1995 12:04 | 4 |
29.773 | NASCAR, Hokey > MLB | HBAHBA::HAAS | improbable cause | Tue Jul 11 1995 13:43 | 4 |
| My biggest disappointment with thised year's hokey finals was that it was
over in four and didn't eat more into the baseball season.
TTom
|
29.774 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | The dream is always the same | Tue Jul 11 1995 13:52 | 6 |
29.775 | ESPN > NBC/ABC > CBS | HBAHBA::HAAS | improbable cause | Tue Jul 11 1995 13:58 | 7 |
| I'm glad it aint on reglar TV. Less Dick Enbergerberger, Dan Deirdorfman,
and Bob Costas.
BTW, the line on the game is what we refer to as 6 to 5 and pick 'em.
which means that whichever side you pick gives up the 6:5 odds.
TTom
|
29.776 | The only game in town, tough (says the book) | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Tue Jul 11 1995 14:23 | 6 |
| I saw that Ttom, that seems to be something new. Is baseball betting
finally going the way of the other sports. It used to be the best
wagering going but a lot of work to keep track of things. I remember
Steve Carlton's epic year where the Phils futility kept his price on
the board and a lot of the punters got rich on him (only to lose it
later I'm sure).
|
29.777 | a standard answer | HBAHBA::HAAS | improbable cause | Tue Jul 11 1995 14:33 | 12 |
| I've heard and seen that line in about every sport at one time or
another. A couple of acquaintances recite that quip whenever anyone asks
them about anything. "What's the chance of rain?" "6-to-5 and pick 'em!"
Baseball has always been a little different. In Vegas, the bet is tied to
the starting pitcher so there's no bet if'n the guy doesn't make the
start. Also, they have variable sugar. Most of the time they're
quoted per the favorite, like 145, meaning you risk 145 to try to win
100. But like when Maddux is pitching in Atlanta against the Mets, it'll
be as high as 220.
TTom
|
29.778 | any thing but MLB ;-) | HBAHBA::HAAS | time compressed | Mon Jul 17 1995 16:13 | 2 |
| CFL:
EDMONTON no line shreveport
|
29.779 | 'bout time for da POOL | HBAHBA::HAAS | time compressed | Thu Jul 20 1995 21:12 | 14 |
29.780 | where do we send our picks to? | MKOTS3::tcc122.mko.dec.com::long | Some gave all... | Fri Jul 21 1995 16:13 | 4 |
| Thanks for volunteering again, TTom
billl
|
29.781 | yer welcome | HBAHBA::HAAS | time compressed | Fri Jul 21 1995 17:16 | 3 |
| Corporate asset, dontcha know ;-).
TTom
|
29.782 | preseason NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | bugged | Tue Aug 01 1995 16:09 | 22 |
29.783 | Line posted in Pool_95/Your welcome to practice | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Thu Aug 03 1995 15:04 | 1 |
|
|
29.784 | thankee | HBAHBA::HAAS | bugged | Thu Aug 03 1995 15:05 | 0 |
29.785 | early College Football | HBAHBA::HAAS | bugged | Fri Aug 04 1995 13:35 | 10 |
| be still my beating heart;;;
Genuine CFA:
Pigskin Classic, Aug 26
MICHIGAN 8 virginia
Kickoff Classic, Aug 27
Ohio St 3 Boston College
|
29.786 | Take that easy BC money | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Fri Aug 04 1995 13:43 | 1 |
|
|
29.787 | congratulations | HBAHBA::HAAS | bugged | Fri Aug 04 1995 13:45 | 3 |
| Billte edges IMJIMBO in the earliest CFA prediction!
TTom
|
29.788 | | SKEWED::MCKAY | | Fri Aug 04 1995 15:39 | 10 |
| It's the quality of the prediction not which tom, Dick, or Harry
flips a coin first!!!!! 8*)
If this season is a winning one, it's definitely time for
1-900-IMJIMBO
Of course I'd still give it to you guys for free........
IMJIMBO
|
29.789 | :-) | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | the Halfway House Ruth Built... | Fri Aug 04 1995 15:40 | 3 |
|
I'm Subscribing!!!
|
29.790 | dialing | HBAHBA::HAAS | bugged | Fri Aug 04 1995 15:43 | 4 |
| It seems you could use a little guidance, at least from the looks of
things over in ::NNL :*)
TTom
|
29.791 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | the Halfway House Ruth Built... | Fri Aug 04 1995 16:02 | 3 |
|
Shaddup
|
29.792 | picked off trying to steal second | HBAHBA::HAAS | bugged | Fri Aug 04 1995 16:07 | 3 |
| That's gonna cost you a new notice...
TTom
|
29.793 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | The dream is always the same | Sat Aug 05 1995 12:10 | 3 |
29.794 | Here's one I doubt you'll accept | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Mon Aug 07 1995 17:13 | 6 |
| Okay Groaner,
If you should accept the osu-bc wager at pickem (which is only
fair,BC should be the favorite in reality though they are slow
starters) then your P-Name for a week will be
"For Boston, For Boston. Tis here where wisdom's known."
|
29.795 | preseason NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | bugged | Tue Aug 08 1995 14:29 | 24 |
29.796 | Vegas odds for Superbowl | HBAHBA::HAAS | x,y,z,time,matter,energy | Mon Aug 14 1995 16:20 | 32 |
| Odds against winning the superbowl:
San Francisco 3:2
Dallas 7:2
Miami 6:1
Pittsburgh 7:1
New England 7:1
Cleveland 10:1
Oakland 18:1
Minnesota 18:1
Chicago 18:1
Denver 20:1
Green Bay 22:1
San Diego 22:1
Detroit 25:1
Buffalo 25:1
Philadelphia 30:1
NY Giants 30:1
Arizona 35:1
Seattle 35:1
Kansas City 40:1
Indianapolis 45:1
Tampa Bay 60:1
NY Jets 60:1
New Orleans 70:1
Cincinnati 80:1
Atlanta 80:1
Washington 80:1
St Louis 125:1
Houston 150:1
Carolina 600:1
Jacksonville 600:1
|
29.797 | Vegas odds for Conference | HBAHBA::HAAS | x,y,z,time,matter,energy | Mon Aug 14 1995 16:21 | 33 |
| Odds against winning the Conference:
San Francisco 1:1
Dallas 2:1
Minnesota 10:1
Chicago 10:1
Green Bay 12:1
Detroit 12:1
NY Giants 18:1
Philadelphia 18:1
Arizona 20:1
Tampa Bay 35:1
New Orleans 40:1
Atlanta 50:1
Washington 50:1
St Louis 70:1
Carolina 400:1
Pittsburgh 5:2
Miami 3:1
New England 7:2
Cleveland 5:1
Oakland 7:1
Denver 7:1
San Diego 10:1
Buffalo 10:1
Kansas City 18:1
Seattle 18:1
Indianapolis 20:1
NY Jets 25:1
Cincinnati 35:1
Houston 60:1
Jacksonville 250:1
|
29.798 | Vegas over/under for wins | HBAHBA::HAAS | x,y,z,time,matter,energy | Mon Aug 14 1995 16:22 | 32 |
29.799 | Vegas odds for 96 NBA championship | HBAHBA::HAAS | x,y,z,time,matter,energy | Mon Aug 14 1995 16:52 | 31 |
| Odds against winning 96 NBA Championship:
Orlando 7:2
Chicago 7:2
San Antonio 9:2
Phoenix 6:1
Indiana 7:1
Houston 8:1
Seattle 10:1
New York 10:1
Utah 10:1
LA Lakers 12:1
Charlotte 15:1
Cleveland 30:1
Portland 35:1
Dallas 40:1
Denver 40:1
Atlanta 50:1
Golden State 60:1
Milwaukee 60:1
Washington 60:1
Boston 75:1
Miami 75:1
New Jersey 75:1
Sacramento 75:1
Detroit 100:1
Philadelphia 100:1
LA Clippers 250:1
Minnesota 250:1
Toronto 750:1
Vancouver 750:1
|
29.800 | odds SNARF | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Mon Aug 14 1995 17:22 | 1 |
29.801 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | Tribe owns Yanks... bye in playoffs if they meet | Mon Aug 14 1995 23:59 | 7 |
29.802 | preseason NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | x,y,z,time,matter,energy | Tue Aug 15 1995 13:56 | 24 |
29.803 | da fight | HBAHBA::HAAS | x,y,z,time,matter,energy | Wed Aug 16 1995 16:48 | 2 |
| Saturday, Las Vegas:
Mike Tyson 18:1 Peter McNeeley
|
29.804 | over/unders fer 2nite | HBAHBA::HAAS | x,y,z,time,matter,energy | Fri Aug 18 1995 15:20 | 6 |
29.805 | Lasted Week o' Preseason | HBAHBA::HAAS | x,y,z,time,matter,energy | Wed Aug 23 1995 14:46 | 20 |
29.806 | Firsted week o' College Football | HBAHBA::HAAS | x,y,z,time,matter,energy | Wed Aug 23 1995 15:11 | 5 |
| Pigskin Classic, Saturday:
MICHIGAN 8 virginia
Kickoff Classic, Sunday:
Ohio St 3 Boston College @East Rutherford
|
29.807 | early Week 1 College Football | HBAHBA::HAAS | x,y,z,time,matter,energy | Wed Aug 23 1995 15:11 | 32 |
29.808 | | CAMONE::WAY | Pick 'em up and strut | Wed Aug 23 1995 15:25 | 18 |
| > NOTRE DAME 28 northwestern
I'm shocked at that line.
Surely the oddsmakers realize that this is a revitalized northwestern team
that ND is taking on, and that ND will have a tough road during the game.
Let's just hope that ND can get an early score and stay ahead of the boys
from northwestern.
I wish Mike Leary was here, he'd tell you how it really is!
8^)
'Saw
|
29.809 | heard it afore | HBAHBA::HAAS | x,y,z,time,matter,energy | Wed Aug 23 1995 16:04 | 11 |
| Mike "Rudy" Leary would invoke the Lou Holtz sandbagging motif and tell
us how the Irish will be lucky to escape from South Bend with a win.
We all know that Northwestern, like everyone else throughout the land,
always gets fired up to play the Irish. They're very underrated. The
Irish are hurt and besides the QB all the other positions are up in the
air. We don't know who can even play in the defensive secondary.
Etc., etc., etc.,
TTom
|
29.810 | | CAMONE::WAY | Pick 'em up and strut | Wed Aug 23 1995 16:29 | 1 |
| You have to admit it has all the comfort and familiarity of home though....8^)
|
29.811 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Washing Machine | Thu Aug 24 1995 13:57 | 12 |
|
Yo TTom,
Any lines yet on the Akeem vs. Shaq matchup?????????
for those who may have missed it in a ppv extraganza, Akeem and Shaq
will have a one on one tournment. 2 minute periods, 10 periods in all
winner's out with the prize to be 100K per period. If they're tied
after a period the money rolls over to next peroid like the Skins
golf game........
mike
|
29.812 | take it to the bank | HBAHBA::HAAS | x,y,z,time,matter,energy | Thu Aug 24 1995 14:08 | 5 |
| Odds on me paying money to watch the Hakeem-Shaq one-on-one:
0
TTom
|
29.813 | | CAMONE::WAY | Pick 'em up and strut | Thu Aug 24 1995 14:17 | 17 |
| > -< take it to the bank >-
>
>Odds on me paying money to watch the Hakeem-Shaq one-on-one:
Man, remember when sport used to be a game?
Could you imagine a Koufax vs. Mantle one-on-one home run derby/strikeout
competition?
Guess I'm just a bit old-fashioned, but I can't see how/why anyone would
want to watch Akeem-Shaq go one-on-one.....
'Saw
|
29.814 | | DECEAT::BRYDIE | Faster Pussycat! Kill! Kill! Kill! | Thu Aug 24 1995 14:30 | 11 |
|
>> Man, remember when sport used to be a game?
You mean like back when Jesse Owens raced a horse? Or back
when Bobby Riggs played Billy Jean King? Or when George
Foreman fought five guys in one night? Or when Bill Veeck
sent a dwarf out to bat? The line between sport and spectacle
has always been blurry. The current used to deliver the product
just makes it seem more so.
|
29.815 | | CAMONE::WAY | Pick 'em up and strut | Thu Aug 24 1995 14:51 | 13 |
| Good point Tommy.
I'm properly chastised. 8^)
I never knew Jesse Owens raced a horse.
But, you're right. I guess nowadays they just make more money off it
and will stoop to any level for PPV. I mean, when Bobby Riggs got his
arse kicked, it was on network TV.
'Saw
|
29.816 | Ali vs Karate king | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Thu Aug 24 1995 15:31 | 5 |
| Not to speak of Ali fighting the Japanese Karate expert in a ballyhooed
event that turned into a fiasco with the karate guy quickly and sanely
lying down in the ring and kicking Muhammed every time he got close.
Poor Ali ended up with bruises on his legs and few bucks in the bank.
|
29.817 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Faster Pussycat! Kill! Kill! Kill! | Thu Aug 24 1995 15:50 | 9 |
|
>> Not to speak of Ali fighting the Japanese Karate expert in a ballyhooed
That was Tony Inoki and the whole thing was pretty farcical.
No doubt that we have more trash sports than ever but it's not
because we've become less enobled with time. It's just that modern
technology has made it easier to apply the maxim that there a sucker
born every minute.
|
29.818 | | MKOTS3::tcc122.mko.dec.com::long | Some gave all... | Thu Aug 24 1995 15:55 | 5 |
| Nice to see that the NBA has made the complete switch to WWF.
billl
|
29.819 | | MKOTS3::tcc122.mko.dec.com::long | Some gave all... | Thu Aug 24 1995 16:04 | 5 |
| To make it complete each would have to get a manager to run around
the court swinging an umbrella at the opposition.
billl
|
29.820 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Thu Aug 24 1995 16:59 | 3 |
29.821 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | This is year 77 in the Sox 100 year rebuilding plan | Thu Aug 24 1995 22:44 | 4 |
29.823 | JMHO | AD::HEATH | New England Patriots 1996 Super Bowl Champs | Fri Aug 25 1995 10:48 | 7 |
|
.500 is generous. They have one of the toughest non-conference
schedules of the Big East schools. OSU, ND, Michigan St. If they
go .500 Henning did a good job.
Jerry
|
29.824 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | This is year 77 in the Sox 100 year rebuilding plan | Fri Aug 25 1995 11:15 | 10 |
29.825 | Who's impressed by big 10 anymore? | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Fri Aug 25 1995 14:52 | 10 |
| I would think that one would wait until the game is played before we
talk about who's good and isn't. Objectively this year is a big test
for Henning and the early strength of schedule makes it even more
challenging for an habitually slow starting organization.
Still I expect the overall line strenth and experience to be too much
for the Big 10. We will be forced to use freshman at receiver and
Kendall one of our keys is limping but will try to play.
Whichever team moves the ball on the ground will probably win.
|
29.826 | minor college updates | HBAHBA::HAAS | lifepath perturbance | Fri Aug 25 1995 15:03 | 7 |
29.827 | odd odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | lifepath perturbance | Fri Aug 25 1995 17:49 | 3 |
| Hakeem-vs-Shaq (Danny Sheridan):
Hakeem 5:2 Shaq
|
29.828 | It was a laugher | FABSIX::E_MAXWELL | Oh flight attendent! | Mon Aug 28 1995 05:10 | 3 |
| Ohio State 38 Boston College 6
It's going to be a long rough season for the boys from BC
|
29.829 | NFL, Week 1 | HBAHBA::HAAS | lifepath perturbance | Tue Aug 29 1995 15:21 | 18 |
29.830 | College Football | HBAHBA::HAAS | lifepath perturbance | Tue Aug 29 1995 15:58 | 32 |
29.831 | | CAMONE::WAY | Pick 'em up and strut | Tue Aug 29 1995 16:07 | 6 |
29.832 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Tue Aug 29 1995 16:36 | 1 |
29.833 | MNC odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | lifepath perturbance | Thu Aug 31 1995 17:51 | 28 |
| Odds against winning the 1995 College Football MNC:
Florida St 3:1
Nebraska 3:1
Texas A&M 4:1
Florida 5:1
Penn St 7:1
Auburn 7:1
Alabama 7:1
Miami-FL 10:1
Southern Cal 15:1
Notre Dame 20:1
Tennessee 25:1
Oklahoma 25:1
Colorado 25:1
Michigan 50:1
Ohio St 50:1
Wisconsin 50:1
UCLA 100:1
Washington 200:1
Texas 250:1
Boston College 300:1
Va Tech 300:1
West Virginia 400:1
Virginia 500:1
No Carolina 750:1
BYU 1,000:1
Field 100:1
|
29.834 | | SHARE::DERRY | Color me impressed... | Thu Sep 07 1995 13:54 | 22 |
| I don't think Tom is around - so use these lines for KOH. Thanks!!!
H/A FAVORITE DOG BY SCO
Sunday 10-Sep-95
(H)BUFF CARO 9 1/2 ?
(H)CINC JVIL 7 1/2 ?
(H)CLEV T.B. 8 1/2 ?
(H)DALL DENV 10 1/2 ?
(A)INDY JETS 2 1/2 ?
(H)K.C. GIAN 2 1/2 ?
(A)MIAM PATS 1 1/2 ?
(H)MINN DETR 3 1/2 ?
(H)PHOE PHIL 3 1/2 ?
(A)PITT HOUS 6 1/2 ?
(A)RAID WASH 5 1/2 ?
(H)RAMS N.O. 2 1/2 ?
(H)S.D. SEAT 8 1/2 ?
(H)S.F. ATLA 13 1/2 ?
Monday 11-Sep-95
(H)CHIC G.B. 3 1/2 ?
|
29.835 | Giants as it turned out were 7 in Vegas | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Tue Sep 12 1995 15:39 | 14 |
| I must apologize for having to enter three of those lines myself since
NL was there because of Monday night and O'Donnell's status. I was
gone after Tuesday so I made my best guess which was pretty close for
Pitt and Dallas.
But I feel real,real bad about the low Giants line and those
great,loyal NewYork football giant fans that may have taken their team
and not only seen them lose in ot but found that the 2 1/2 wasn't
enough for koh or the pool.
sniff,sniff
Billte
|
29.836 | NFL Week III | HBAHBA::HAAS | Network Consonant III | Wed Sep 13 1995 14:49 | 18 |
29.837 | | USCTR1::GARBARINO | | Wed Sep 13 1995 15:47 | 3 |
29.838 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | The stars might lie, but the numbers never do... | Wed Sep 13 1995 15:51 | 1 |
| Go ahead... :-)
|
29.839 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Washing Machine | Wed Sep 13 1995 16:31 | 4 |
|
who's going to stop Rice? They can't even cover a bum like a Fryar....
I'm layin'........
|
29.840 | real life college football | HBAHBA::HAAS | Network Consonant III | Wed Sep 13 1995 16:54 | 38 |
29.841 | NFL Week 4 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Network Consonant III | Tue Sep 19 1995 17:09 | 15 |
29.842 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | Network Consonant III | Tue Sep 19 1995 17:10 | 36 |
29.843 | | CAMONE::WAY | Nine to the front, six to the rear | Tue Sep 19 1995 17:25 | 4 |
29.844 | MNF update | HBAHBA::HAAS | Network Consonant III | Mon Sep 25 1995 17:47 | 4 |
| Latest on tonight:
san francisco 12 DETROIT
over/under 46
|
29.845 | NFL Week 5 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Network Consonant III | Tue Sep 26 1995 12:30 | 16 |
29.846 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | Network Consonant III | Tue Sep 26 1995 12:36 | 35 |
29.847 | Falcons are playing well, Pats look like crap | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | Barros > Douglas | Tue Sep 26 1995 13:03 | 3 |
| How could the Pats be favored? That's insane.
NAZZ
|
29.848 | 20,000 tickets left | ODIXIE::ZOGRAN | Give it to the kid! | Tue Sep 26 1995 13:16 | 6 |
| Falcons are not really playing that well. Almost lost to Charlotte,
and just got by the Jets and N.O. If NE is on top of its game and can
give Bledsoe time (is he playing this week?) then they should beat
them. The team and it's front office sip.
UMDan
|
29.849 | circled | HBAHBA::HAAS | Network Consonant III | Tue Sep 26 1995 13:18 | 8 |
| This game has the big circle around it.
The word is Drew may not play. His shoulder injury is more serious than
firsted thought and we may see Zolak.
Stay tuned...
TTom
|
29.850 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Plan 9 From Outer Space | Tue Sep 26 1995 13:23 | 2 |
|
How is Indy favored over the undefeated Rams?
|
29.851 | no Ram bandwagon | HBAHBA::HAAS | Network Consonant III | Tue Sep 26 1995 13:34 | 7 |
| Evidently, the betting public still thinks the Rams are bad. Meanwhile,
expectations for Indy were higher than they've been in quite awhile.
Remember, these are not predictions concerning the outcome of the game.
They're merely attempts to have balanced betting.
TTom
|
29.852 | No Drew = a 4-5 point switch in odds | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | Barros > Douglas | Tue Sep 26 1995 18:11 | 4 |
| Bledsoe is out - lok for the line to switch around and Atlanta to be
a FG favorite.
NAZZ
|
29.853 | What about Marshall??? | BSS::MENDEZ | | Tue Sep 26 1995 19:03 | 2 |
| Speaking of Indy...Maybe Tommie was right about Marshall Faulk. What
do his stats look like this year???
|
29.854 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Washing Machine | Wed Sep 27 1995 12:05 | 15 |
|
Odds to win AL MVP:
Albert Belle even
Mo Vaughn 7-5
Edgar Martinez 8-1
Randy Johnson 12-1
Odds to win NL MVP:
Greg Maddux 7-5
Mike Piazza 9-5
Dante Bichette 5-1
Barry Larkin 12-1
Sammy Sosa 12-1
|
29.855 | we don't need no steenkin bezball | HBAHBA::HAAS | arpecay iemday | Wed Sep 27 1995 13:00 | 0 |
29.856 | eizesay ethey ayday... | IMBETR::DUPREZ | The stars might lie, but the numbers never do... | Wed Sep 27 1995 13:18 | 5 |
|
Who's "we", buddy? *I* need bezball.
What I don't need is guys going round and round wasting
limited supplies of fossil fuel... :-)
|
29.857 | caint get one | HBAHBA::HAAS | arpecay iemday | Wed Sep 27 1995 13:23 | 9 |
| >What I don't need is guys going round and round wasting
>limited supplies of fossil fuel... :-)
In terms of The Line, the problem with that there racin! is that you
caint get no line until after the pole's done been took. At best that's
usually Friday afternoon and sometimes, like lasted week, not till
Saturday.
TTom
|
29.858 | Drew out, Falcons by 1 | HBAHBA::HAAS | arpecay iemday | Wed Sep 27 1995 13:37 | 3 |
| update:
ATLANTA 1 new england
|
29.859 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | The stars might lie, but the numbers never do... | Wed Sep 27 1995 13:42 | 9 |
| >In terms of The Line, the problem with that there racin! is that you
>caint get no line until after the pole's done been took. At best that's
>usually Friday afternoon and sometimes, like lasted week, not till
>Saturday.
Not sure what I'm about to ask belongs here, but that doesn't stop most folks:
How is The Line established for auto racing? What does it tie into?
Is it just "who wins", or are there lines on most laps led, etc.?
|
29.860 | lots o' ways | HBAHBA::HAAS | arpecay iemday | Wed Sep 27 1995 14:04 | 32 |
| > How is The Line established for auto racing? What does it tie into?
> Is it just "who wins", or are there lines on most laps led, etc.?
A perfectly valid question since racin! is a real sport which most
certainly means that you can wager on it.
There are several ways to play NASCAR.
There are odds for the drivers, like Gordon and Earnhardt, as well as the
field hoping for races like Dover where Kyle Petty won it. Gordon
Earnhardt get about the same odds for NASCAR as Dallas and San Fran get
to win the Superbowl: you aint the onliest one going with 'em.
Then there are odds assigned to starting positions. If'n you wanna play
the 1, you get the pole sitter (1), the 11th guy, the 21st guy, the 31st
guy, and if'n it's a decent size race (i.e., not Martinsville) a 41st.
Since there's usually only 42 slots, the odds for 1 and 2 are less than
3-0. Obiously, the odds on the 3 position would be different for say
Rusty Wallace than Dick Trickle.
Then you can play drivers or groups of drivers against other drivers or
groups of drivers. For instance, almost always you can get a Gordon vs
Earnhardt matchup. Sometimes if'n you want Gordon you gotta take a scrub
or 2 and then you're paired against say the Labontes, Bobby and Terry,
who've each won a couple of times thised year.
Then you can play the numbers on the car, with odds.
The problem with it all is that it's all Ad Hoc, made up after pole
positions.
TTom
|
29.861 | Colleges by conferences | HBAHBA::HAAS | arpecay iemday | Wed Sep 27 1995 17:30 | 83 |
29.862 | | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Wed Sep 27 1995 18:57 | 5 |
| So BC is 2 if you make the bet at East Lansing and 4 if you bet in
Brighton?
And Nebraska is 28 over the wash-st team that beat UCLA? It must be
Pardon week at Lincoln.
|
29.863 | 2 -> 3 -> 4 | HBAHBA::HAAS | arpecay iemday | Thu Sep 28 1995 13:37 | 7 |
| Tge BC line is moving toward Moo U. USA Today has it today at 4, while
the local rag has it at 3, up from 2 yesterday.
Locally, they had the UCLA-WashSt game circled cause of all the Broon
injuries.
TTom
|
29.864 | | BIGQ::MCKAY | | Thu Sep 28 1995 13:47 | 3 |
| well if it was circled then IM doesn't lose the 220 8*)
Jimbo
|
29.865 | ;-) | HBAHBA::HAAS | arpecay iemday | Thu Sep 28 1995 14:00 | 5 |
| Well, since this is a theoretical discussion, wherein units are used
instead of dollars, the spatial exceptions committe rules that you're
still down them units.
TTom
|
29.866 | texas line | HBAHBA::HAAS | arpecay iemday | Thu Sep 28 1995 15:00 | 4 |
29.867 | NFL Week 6 | HBAHBA::HAAS | arpecay iemday | Tue Oct 03 1995 15:25 | 16 |
29.868 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | arpecay iemday | Tue Oct 03 1995 15:25 | 37 |
29.869 | | BSS::G_MCINTOSH | Touch Not the Cat, Bot the Glove | Wed Oct 04 1995 04:46 | 7 |
|
I'm stunned by the line....there's no way in the world the Chiefs are
going to beat the Chargers on Monday Night. Not after the Chargers
lost last week to Blitzburgh. FWIW IMHO. OK well, maybe there's a
little chance. ;-)
Glenn
|
29.870 | KOD in KOH? | HBAHBA::HAAS | arpecay iemday | Wed Oct 04 1995 13:28 | 5 |
| KC is rolling, Diego got drubbed. Yep. No chance.
Of course, I could really take 'em out and pick 'em over in KOH ;-)
TTom
|
29.871 | from an unbiased perspective | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Wed Oct 04 1995 14:40 | 2 |
29.872 | .500 | HBAHBA::HAAS | arpecay iemday | Wed Oct 04 1995 14:43 | 7 |
| Sorta, Mike.
While them Cards qualify as nobody, the Steelers beat up on ol' San Diego
and it wasn't as close as the final 15 point margin and most certainly
wasn't a case of a couple of plays.
TTom
|
29.873 | | MKOTS3::tcc122.mko.dec.com::long | Some gave all... | Thu Oct 05 1995 15:50 | 6 |
| Are you sure about the Pats - Broncs line...I saw the New England
as the favorite.
billl
|
29.875 | | MIMS::ROLLINS_R | | Wed Oct 11 1995 15:47 | 4 |
| (H)RAMS ATLA 3
(H)ATLA WASH 2 1/2
?
|
29.876 | | SHARE::DERRY | Color me impressed... | Wed Oct 11 1995 16:02 | 1 |
| Washington at Arizona.
|
29.877 | CORRECT POSTING OF LINE | AKOCOA::BREEN | Onions, Tortellini and Thou | Wed Oct 11 1995 17:13 | 26 |
| -< pool lines without the 1/2s unless vegas had'em >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Since we play ties here I only used the 1/2 where the glove had it. Also,
the Dallas - San Diego line is mine - there wasn't any posted.
Thursday 12-Oct-95
(H)RAMS ATLA 3
Sunday 15-Oct-95
(H)PHOE WASH 2 1/2
(H)BUFF SEAT 7 1/2
(A)CHIC JVIL 7 1/2
(A)DALL S.D. 8 1/2
(A)G.B. DETR 3 1/2
(H)GIAN PHIL 3
(A)JETS CARO 1 1/2
(H)K.C. PATS 7 1/2
(A)MIAM N.O. 6 1/2
(A)MINN T.B. 2
(A)S.F. INDY 10
Monday 16-Oct-95
(A)RAID DENV 3
|
29.878 | | MIMS::ROLLINS_R | | Wed Oct 11 1995 17:17 | 2 |
| Might also go with Dallas -6 vs San Diego. That's the line I saw
in this morning's paper.
|
29.879 | Karen, feel free to change line on Dallas | AKOCOA::BREEN | Onions, Tortellini and Thou | Wed Oct 11 1995 17:35 | 6 |
| I'll leave it to Karan, if no one has used that line yet then I'll
reedit to reflect 6. I'll bet you by Sunday it'll move past 7 unless
it's certain that Aikman isn't playing.
And even with the 8.5 we'll get a ton of play on Dallas in here from
those Gila guys down in the Panhandle.
|
29.880 | MNF | HBAHBA::HAAS | conched out | Mon Oct 16 1995 14:49 | 4 |
29.881 | NFL Week 8, +/- | HBAHBA::HAAS | conched out | Tue Oct 17 1995 12:50 | 21 |
29.882 | College, fer reel | HBAHBA::HAAS | conched out | Tue Oct 17 1995 12:53 | 37 |
29.883 | Colleges by conference | HBAHBA::HAAS | conched out | Tue Oct 17 1995 16:06 | 78 |
29.884 | NFL update; sf is at SL | HBAHBA::HAAS | conched out | Wed Oct 18 1995 13:49 | 18 |
29.885 | NBA over/unders for total wins | HBAHBA::HAAS | conched out | Wed Oct 18 1995 18:05 | 31 |
29.886 | World Series & Game 1 | HBAHBA::HAAS | conched out | Thu Oct 19 1995 13:35 | 6 |
29.887 | Shapes up a nice bettor's series for Indian fans | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Thu Oct 19 1995 13:56 | 15 |
| Tom that's 7 1/2 - 8 1/2 Atlanta favored in the series, very generous
odds reflecting the pitching strength which
so influences Vegas on baseball betting.
This means 50 bet on Cleveland will earn 75 if the Indians win.
85 bet on Atlanta will earn 50 if the Braves win.
And the Glove lists Saturday's game at 8-9 Atlanta.
This is a great betting opportunity for Cleveland fans. If I had $100
I'd put 50 on the series and 20 on the first game and 20 on the second.
Hopefully you'll get a split; if so you may get an opportunity to use
the vegas money to bet Atlanta if they become underdog in Cleveland. I
happen to like Smoltz and Avery better than Maddux and Glavine in this
series.
|
29.888 | The Turner Strain spreads into Vegas... | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Thu Oct 19 1995 14:01 | 9 |
|
> This is a great betting opportunity for Cleveland fans.
Yup. It's the TBS national-TV-audience money pouring in ("I've loved
Skip since at least 1990"). I picked Atlanta to win, but those odds
against a 100-44 team are obscene.
glenn
|
29.889 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | It's pancake time! | Thu Oct 19 1995 14:44 | 4 |
| > If I had $100
> I'd put 50 on the series and 20 on the first game and 20 on the second.
Would you put the other 10 in a mutual fund? :-)
|
29.890 | sorta said once | HBAHBA::HAAS | conched out | Thu Oct 19 1995 14:48 | 3 |
| 90% of betting is luck. The other half is the intagibles.
TTom
|
29.891 | | BIGQ::MCKAY | | Thu Oct 19 1995 15:30 | 4 |
| I'll go 50% information and 50% luck. Having non-public info
can do some good as long as it's an info game and not a luck game
Jimbo
|
29.892 | I was gonna put it in Czech Waterworks | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Thu Oct 19 1995 16:31 | 9 |
| I had to hold something in reserve in case Atlanta won the first two.
The ideal situation is to be able to bet on the opposite team from your
series pick at good odds with Vegas' money.
For example if Cleveland was up 3-2 and favored in game six I could
take 45 and bet Atlanta; If Cleveland clinched I now have my $100 from
the series bet without 45; if Braves win I get 50-60 there and can
still win my series bet. Following this scenario to game seven makes
it really interesting.
|
29.893 | Game 1 update | HBAHBA::HAAS | conched out | Fri Oct 20 1995 17:40 | 5 |
| Game 1 update:
ATLANTA 7-8 over cleveland
TTom
|
29.894 | NFL Week 9 | HBAHBA::HAAS | conched out | Tue Oct 24 1995 15:01 | 16 |
29.895 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | conched out | Tue Oct 24 1995 15:01 | 38 |
29.896 | haste occasionally is worth it | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Tue Oct 24 1995 15:46 | 4 |
| heh, heh;
Just as I thought, Pats and Miami did go up this morning. Can't
pick winners too well but I can sure pick what the line's going to be
pretty good.
|
29.897 | new career? | HBAHBA::HAAS | conched out | Tue Oct 24 1995 16:02 | 12 |
| billte
Maybe ya oughta move to Vegas and get a job handicapping.
The line that looks really screwey to me is the College one where Kansas
St is favored to beat Kansas. I guess the guys who set these numbers
figger the average guy on the street doesn't realize that Kansas is any
good thised year so they'll go with the home team.
Jimbo, yuo like KU > KSU?
TTom
|
29.898 | | BIGQ::MCKAY | | Tue Oct 24 1995 17:22 | 16 |
| TTOM,
You know I don't turn into IM until at least Thursday. 8*)
FLAME ON
What kind of nomind decided that the East region would get
the feed of Minn-Michigan at 3:30 instead of Nebraska-Colorado.
Ch 5 said they asked for Neb/Col and were told NO by ABC.
So my choices are fork over the $9.95(which I never have yet) or
try and find a bar who buys the college package in central Mass.
FLAME OFF
Jimbo - Kansas could be the SPOOKY WORLD LOCK OF HALLOWEEN GAME OF THE
WEEK
|
29.899 | KSU-KU might be circled | HBAHBA::HAAS | conched out | Wed Oct 25 1995 14:40 | 5 |
| Meanwhile, several Kansas St. players have been suspended for the Kansas
game. They may put the big circle around this line which is still at KSU
-1.
TTom
|
29.900 | updated NFL; over/unders | HBAHBA::HAAS | conched out | Wed Oct 25 1995 14:44 | 17 |
29.901 | College by Conference | HBAHBA::HAAS | conched out | Fri Oct 27 1995 13:57 | 73 |
29.902 | NFL Week 11 update | HBAHBA::HAAS | graffiti limbo | Thu Nov 09 1995 18:02 | 17 |
29.903 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | graffiti limbo | Thu Nov 09 1995 18:02 | 42 |
29.904 | MNF | HBAHBA::HAAS | graffiti limbo | Mon Nov 13 1995 16:54 | 3 |
29.905 | NBA II Nite | HBAHBA::HAAS | graffiti limbo | Mon Nov 13 1995 16:54 | 6 |
29.906 | NFL Week 12, what's there | HBAHBA::HAAS | graffiti limbo | Tue Nov 14 1995 13:26 | 18 |
29.907 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | graffiti limbo | Tue Nov 14 1995 13:29 | 37 |
29.908 | College by Conference | HBAHBA::HAAS | graffiti limbo | Tue Nov 14 1995 13:30 | 72 |
29.909 | and a leetle pro hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | graffiti limbo | Tue Nov 14 1995 13:54 | 8 |
29.910 | NFL updated: Fish favored | HBAHBA::HAAS | graffiti limbo | Wed Nov 15 1995 14:45 | 24 |
29.911 | College Hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | graffiti limbo | Wed Nov 15 1995 15:32 | 11 |
29.912 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | graffiti limbo | Thu Nov 16 1995 16:31 | 6 |
29.913 | NIT | HBAHBA::HAAS | graffiti limbo | Thu Nov 16 1995 16:32 | 3 |
| NIT:
GEORGETOWN 20 colgate
TEMPLE 15 rider
|
29.914 | NIT | HBAHBA::HAAS | graffiti limbo | Fri Nov 17 1995 13:17 | 4 |
29.915 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | graffiti limbo | Fri Nov 17 1995 16:15 | 12 |
29.916 | NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | graffiti limbo | Tue Nov 21 1995 12:41 | 20 |
29.917 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | graffiti limbo | Tue Nov 21 1995 12:45 | 27 |
29.918 | Third try, damn | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Wed Nov 29 1995 16:32 | 25 |
| Tom's out so this will have to do. Remember there's a Thursday game. The
K.C. line is mine, c'est la vie.
Thursday 30-Nov-95
(H)PHOE GIAN 2 1/2 ?
Sunday 3-Dec-95
(H)DALL WASH 18 1/2 ?
(H)DENV JVIL 11 1/2 ?
(H)G.B. CINC 11 1/2 ?
(A)INDY CARO 5 1/2 ?
(A)K.C. RAID 3 1/2 ?
(H)MIAM ATLA 5 1/2 ?
(H)MINN T.B. 8 1/2 ?
(H)PATS N.O. 5 1/2 ?
(A)PHIL SEAT 3 1/2 ?
(H)PITT HOUS 8 1/2 ?
(A)RAMS JETS 1 1/2 ?
(H)S.D. CLEV 6 1/2 ?
(H)S.F. BUFF 13 1/2 ?
Monday 4-Dec-95
(H)DETR CHIC 3 1/2 ?
|
29.919 | NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | graffiti limbo | Wed Dec 06 1995 16:15 | 20 |
29.920 | Bowls | HBAHBA::HAAS | graffiti limbo | Wed Dec 06 1995 16:17 | 19 |
29.921 | Updated Bowls | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Mon Dec 11 1995 15:32 | 19 |
29.922 | da line II Knight | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Mon Dec 11 1995 15:38 | 16 |
29.923 | | BIGQ::MCKAY | | Mon Dec 11 1995 16:19 | 3 |
| what was the line in the UMASS BC tilt Saturday?
Jimbo
|
29.924 | seek, and ... | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Mon Dec 11 1995 16:23 | 6 |
29.925 | NFL Penultimate Week | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Tue Dec 12 1995 13:09 | 20 |
29.926 | TTom, that's your job, isn't it? | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | UMass knocks off #1 - again! | Tue Dec 12 1995 13:12 | 3 |
| Is anyone gonna run that pick all the bowl winners contest?
NAZZ
|
29.927 | Vegas Bowl | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Tue Dec 12 1995 13:16 | 9 |
| Las Vegas Bowl, Dec. 14:
Nevada 0 Toledo
> Is anyone gonna run that pick all the bowl winners contest?
See 148.
TTom
|
29.928 | Vegas Bowl | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Thu Dec 14 1995 16:42 | 6 |
| Las Vegas Bowl:
Nevada 1 Toledo
over/under 64
This is whatcha call a "Caribbean line", meaning you caint book it in
Vegas by agreement.
|
29.929 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Thu Dec 14 1995 16:42 | 11 |
29.930 | Lots of Bowl games to pick from | CSLALL::BRULE | country in need of a leader | Thu Dec 14 1995 17:31 | 7 |
| What's the best Sports Parlor in Vegas. I'm spending 10 days there
starting next week (have lots of day trips plan so I won't be there
every day). I'd like to take the two weekend days and just sit there
and watch. I've been to MGM, Treasure Island, and Ceasar's parlors.
Where else could I go?
Mike
|
29.931 | some others | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Thu Dec 14 1995 18:20 | 24 |
| Mike,
It's all a matter of preference. Here's some others worth considering:
Harrah's - it's across the street from Caesar's and the rest; they have
very good lines, often worth looking at after you've seen some of the
more commercial ones like Caesar's
Mirage - it's actually part of Treasure Island, owned by the same people
with walkways between them; it's one of the better viewing places where
at a glance you can see any of the Major Sports - multiple screens, whole
walls of lines - as well as horse racing from across the US
Palace Station - it's a little off the strip; has good ground packages -
room, wager incentives, etc; I like it cause the locals go there and the
lines are done like in the Sting where someone actually writes it down
instead of being electronified; also, they have big game/MNF betting
packages like you see for the super bowl - over/under interceptions, etc.
Bally's - I go there Monday morning because they post one of the earliest
lines for the nexted weekend's football; you can actually see the lines
go up and down from the early and sometimes heavy betting.
TTom
|
29.932 | | CSLALL::BRULE | country in need of a leader | Thu Dec 14 1995 18:37 | 4 |
| Thanks TTom. Palace Station is down on Fremont Street isn't it? I heard
that they just did that whole area over and that area is probably
better then the Strip for payoffs. I wonder if UNLV will be playing
then?
|
29.933 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Thu Dec 14 1995 18:50 | 3 |
29.934 | UNLV info | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Fri Dec 15 1995 10:55 | 13 |
| I'm not sure exactly where Palace Station is. I stay there sometimes,
never rent a car, take taxis everywhere, and, of course, I'm in chronic
jet lag mode while I'm there. I just tell 'em where I wanna go.
re: UNLV
You oughta give the Thomas & Mack Center a call, cause that's where them
Rebels play: 1-800-848-4615. I call 'em afore I go out there to see
what's on tap, besides Budweiser.
Enjoy and let us know how entertaining it was.
TTom
|
29.935 | Vegas still corner the market on sports betting? | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Fri Dec 15 1995 13:20 | 8 |
| Is it still correct that Sports betting is only legal in Nevada? None
of the reservations, paddle boats , state lotteries have yet any form
of it.
I consider team wagering as sports betting but "any form" could mean
lottery style as in Canada.
|
29.936 | only Nevada | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Fri Dec 15 1995 13:32 | 10 |
| Lasted I checked, Nevada is the onliest place you can legally wager on
sports, per se.
Oregon (I think) had a statewide lottery where you picked the NFL games
but I think the NFL sued 'em and they stopped that.
I know fer a fack that Atlantic City and every floating casino I've
checked offers *NO* sports betting, legally anyway.
TTom
|
29.937 | Wild Cards | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Tue Dec 26 1995 14:26 | 7 |
29.938 | a Card | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Wed Dec 27 1995 15:58 | 59 |
| 1. UCLA 2. Kansas +5
3. Over 49 4. Under 47
5. Texas Tech 6. Air Force +4
7. Over 49 8. Under 47
9. Michigan 10. Texas A&M +3
11. Over 42 12. Under 40
13. Washington 14. Iowa +5
15. Over 50 16. Under 48
17. Kansas St 18. Colorado St +9
19. Over 43 20. Under 41
21. Stanford 22. East Carolina +4
23. Over 54 24. Under 52
25. Arkansas -2 26. No Carolina -2
27. Over 46 28. Under 44
29. Virginia 30. Georgia +7
31. Over 43 32. Under 41
33. Va Tech -2 34. Texas -2
35. Over 46 36. Under 44
37. Penn St 38. Auburn +3
39. Over 54 40. Under 52
41. Syracuse -2 42. Clemson -2
43. Over 44 44. Under 42
45. Ohio St 46. Tennessee +6
47. Over 57 48. Under 55
49. Colorado 50. Oregon +7
51. Over 54 52. Under 52
53. Southern Cal 54. Northwestern +3
55. Over 42 56. Under 40
57. Florida St 58. Notre Dame +13
59. Over 56 60. Under 54
61. Nebraska 62. Florida +3
63. Over 61 64. Under 59
Note: This Card to be used as News Matter Only and as a Trade
Stimulator. Not to be used in violation of any law.
Manufacturer assumes no responsibility for illegal use by purchasers or
users.
All Teams Picked Must Win Ties Lose
All Games Must Be Played On Specified Date
Etc., ect., et. al Bundy
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29.939 | Alamo Bowl | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Thu Dec 28 1995 13:50 | 3 |
| Alamo Bowl:
Michigan 5 Texas A&M
over/under 40
|
29.940 | Division Playoffs | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Thu Jan 04 1996 13:22 | 7 |
29.941 | Super Bowl Odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Thu Jan 04 1996 13:26 | 10 |
| Odds Against winning the Super Bowl:
DALLAS 2:1
SAN FRANCISCO 2:1
KANSAS CITY 7:1
PITTSBURGH 8:1
GREEN BAY 9:1
BUFFALO 12:1
PHILADELPHIA 50:1
INDIANAPOLIS 50:1
|
29.942 | Raptors better than Mavs or Bucks? | CNTROL::CHILDS | Washing Machine | Thu Jan 04 1996 13:46 | 41 |
29.943 | 'course, I've never bet, so what do I know ? | USCTR1::GARBARINO | | Thu Jan 04 1996 16:55 | 10 |
29.944 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | The engineer formerly known as Roland | Thu Jan 04 1996 17:13 | 4 |
| >'course, I've never bet, so what do I know ?
Plenty. By not betting, you've proven that you're smarter
than most of us...
|
29.945 | wrong Conference,Topic | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Thu Jan 04 1996 17:33 | 5 |
| Hey, take them predictions over to da POOL.
This here's da Line and dontcha fergit it, neither, too, also.
TTom
|
29.946 | da numbers fer das conferencia | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Tue Jan 09 1996 13:07 | 8 |
| Sunday:
PITTSBURGH 11 indianapolis
over/under 41
odds Pittsburgh, 5:1
DALLAS 9 green bay
over/under 50
odds Dallas, 4:1
|
29.947 | super odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Tue Jan 09 1996 13:09 | 6 |
| Odds against winning the Super Bowl:
Dallas 1:2
Pittsburgh 7:2
Green Bay 5:1
Indianapolis 20:1
|
29.948 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Donnie Baseball Yankee HOFer!!! | Tue Jan 09 1996 14:45 | 3 |
|
Take da Colts and Da Pack!!!
|
29.949 | and a little NB&A | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Wed Jan 10 1996 16:26 | 8 |
29.950 | Super Bowl line, moving fast | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Tue Jan 16 1996 14:41 | 8 |
| Super Bowl:
Dallas 13 Pittsburgh
over/under 51
odds Dallas, 9:2
Note: the line opened at 11. Also those odds have got to be *on*
winning cause there's no way there gonna give you 9 bucks back
for ever 2 you bet on Dallas to win.
|
29.951 | There will be a LOT of points scored | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | Be well, Marcus | Tue Jan 16 1996 16:23 | 3 |
| The over looks TOO easy - I expected it around 57-58.
NAZZ
|
29.952 | | BIGQ::MCKAY | | Tue Jan 16 1996 17:26 | 4 |
| you'll never see a 57 over/under in the pro's. I think 51 is too
high, I would have expected 47.
Jimbo
|
29.953 | still 13/51 | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Wed Jan 17 1996 12:34 | 6 |
| The Packer-Boys game went off at 52. Earlier in the year, SF and Atlanta
went at 54 which is about the biggest I can remember from thised year.
FWIW, the line has parked, at least fer a while, at 13/51.
TTom
|
29.954 | | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Mon Jan 22 1996 18:01 | 4 |
29.955 | latest and more | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Fri Jan 26 1996 11:56 | 20 |
29.956 | 'esoteric' numbers | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Fri Jan 26 1996 13:30 | 53 |
29.957 | I'd go with MJ in that one | AKOCOA::BREEN | | Fri Jan 26 1996 14:57 | 4 |
| I hear that there is a legitimate line you can bet even up:
Dallas total points vs Michael Jordan points in the Bulls afternoon
game.
|
29.958 | | USCTR1::GARBARINO | | Fri Jan 26 1996 16:39 | 4 |
| >Deion Sanders, after scoring a TD and dancing
> with Tom Landry 100:1
I wouldn't pay to go see this game, but I WOULD pay to see the above.
|
29.959 | And ya think ya know somethin' | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | Be well, Marcus | Mon Jan 29 1996 15:30 | 9 |
| I picked the following:
- the over
- the Cowboys
- the Cowboys over Michael Jordan
And that's why I don't bet!
NAZZ
|
29.960 | NB&A | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Wed Jan 31 1996 15:41 | 6 |
29.961 | Flop City League | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Thu Feb 01 1996 14:22 | 8 |
29.962 | Pro Bowl | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Fri Feb 02 1996 11:33 | 4 |
29.963 | NBA: the BIG GAME | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Fri Feb 02 1996 11:52 | 10 |
29.964 | Outside of gambling junkies | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | Marcus is back! | Fri Feb 02 1996 17:44 | 3 |
| Does anyone really bet the Pro Bowl?
NAZZ
|
29.965 | which came firsted: the bear or the woods | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Mon Feb 05 1996 13:21 | 7 |
| > Does anyone really bet the Pro Bowl?
Minor nit: did anyone really bet the Pro Bowl?
The general rule is that if'n there's a line, someone is betting it.
TTom
|
29.966 | | CROW::MAIEWSKI | Bos-Mil-Atl Braves W.S. Champs | Mon Feb 05 1996 13:38 | 6 |
| I've heard of guys who see two crows sitting on a fence and bet which one
will fly away 1st.
People will bet anything.
George
|
29.967 | nuff said | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Mon Feb 05 1996 14:02 | 8 |
| The two crow scenario is more than enough merit to wager. The proposition
is simple and the outcome definitive.
> People will bet anything.
I heard that!~
TTom
|
29.968 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Mon Feb 05 1996 15:04 | 7 |
29.969 | Big Monday | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Mon Feb 05 1996 15:05 | 3 |
29.970 | College hoops >>> NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | slightly related | Wed Feb 07 1996 13:59 | 12 |
29.971 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Extra low prices and hepatitis too!~ | Thu Feb 08 1996 16:22 | 6 |
29.972 | some real hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | Extra low prices and hepatitis too!~ | Fri Feb 09 1996 15:53 | 6 |
29.973 | NBA agin | HBAHBA::HAAS | Extra low prices and hepatitis too!~ | Tue Feb 13 1996 13:44 | 13 |
29.974 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Extra low prices and hepatitis too!~ | Thu Feb 13 1997 13:52 | 8 |
29.975 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Extra low prices and hepatitis too!~ | Thu Feb 15 1996 14:05 | 8 |
| NBA:
cleveland 5 TORONTO
chicago 8 DETROIT
MIAMI 5 denver
HOUSTON 4 san antonio
MILWAUKEE 1 washington
UTAH 11 dallas
PORTLAND 2 phoenix
|
29.976 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Extra low prices and hepatitis too!~ | Mon Feb 19 1996 15:38 | 8 |
29.977 | Big Monday | HBAHBA::HAAS | Extra low prices and hepatitis too!~ | Mon Feb 19 1996 15:40 | 4 |
| Gollege Hoops:
connecticut 2 GEORGETOWN
KANSAS 17 nebraska
NEW MEXICO 7 colorado st
|
29.978 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Extra low prices and hepatitis too!~ | Tue Feb 20 1996 15:39 | 7 |
| NBA:
ORLANDO 15 philadelphia
NEW YORK 9 milwaukee
CHICAGO 11 cleveland
UTAH 12 boston
san antonio 3 PORTLAND
LA LAKERS 11 la clippers
|
29.979 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Extra low prices and hepatitis too!~ | Wed Feb 21 1996 14:12 | 11 |
29.980 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | Extra low prices and hepatitis too!~ | Wed Feb 21 1996 14:23 | 16 |
| College hoops:
WISCONSIN 11 northwestern
providence 5 NOTRE DAME
GEORGIA 11 vanderbilt
SO CAROLINA 6 florida
WAKE FOREST 11 clemson
arkansas 2 TENNESSEE
MINNESOTA 10 ohio st
MISSISSIPPI ST 12 lsu
BOSTON COLLEGE 8 west virginia
OKLAHOMA 14 colorado
AUBURN 8 mississippi
IOWA 10 michigan st
KANSAS ST 4 missouri
OKLAHOMA ST 6 iowa st
georgia tech 1 VIRGINIA
|
29.981 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Extra low prices and hepatitis too!~ | Mon Feb 26 1996 16:10 | 5 |
29.982 | some college | HBAHBA::HAAS | Extra low prices and hepatitis too!~ | Mon Feb 26 1996 16:13 | 5 |
29.983 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Extra low prices and hepatitis too!~ | Tue Feb 27 1996 14:59 | 10 |
| NBA:
INDIANA 7 portland
CLEVELAND 7 golden state
miami 1 NEW JERSEY
MILWAUKEE 1 charlotte
CHICAGO 15 minnesota
HOUSTON 12 toronto
DALLAS 7 philadelphia
DENVER 6 washington
san antonio 8 LA CLIPPERS
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29.984 | college entertainment | HBAHBA::HAAS | Extra low prices and hepatitis too!~ | Tue Feb 27 1996 15:01 | 7 |
29.985 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Extra low prices and hepatitis too!~ | Wed Feb 28 1996 14:03 | 9 |
| NBA:
ORLANDO 8 miami
BOSTON 1 charlotte
ATLANTA 7 portland
SEATTLE 9 detroit
phoenix 3 MINNESOTA
UTAH 11 washington
la lakers 8 VANCOUVER
SACRAMENTO 1 new york
|
29.986 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | jeap jeer | Thu Feb 29 1996 14:02 | 8 |
29.987 | arcane collegiate entertainment | HBAHBA::HAAS | leap jeer | Thu Feb 29 1996 17:06 | 12 |
| Odds against winning the Sun Belt tourney:
Ark-Little Rock 1:1
New Orleans 6:5
SW Louisiana 3:1
Jacksonville 4:1
W Kentucky 4:1
So Alabama 25:1
Tex-Pan American 50:1
Arkansas St 75:1
Lamar 75:1
Louisiana Tech 100:1
|
29.988 | on the line | HBAHBA::HAAS | leap jeer | Mon Mar 04 1996 18:10 | 4 |
29.989 | the tourneys begin | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Wed Mar 06 1996 15:05 | 17 |
29.990 | more tourney | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Thu Mar 07 1996 15:16 | 22 |
29.991 | NCAA odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Mon Mar 11 1996 14:07 | 68 |
| Odds against winning the NCAAs:
Kentucky 2:1
Connecticut 7:1
Massachusetts 7:1
Kansas 8:1
Georgetown 10:1
Cincinnati 10:1
Villanova 15:1
Purdue 15:1
Wake Forest 15:1
Georgia Tech 18:1
UCLA 20:1
No Carolina 30:1
Iowa 35:1
Memphis 50:1
Utah 75:1
Arizona 100:1
Mississippi St 100:1
Georgia 200:1
Stanford 200:1
Syracuse 300:1
Texas Tech 300:1
Iowa St 300:1
Duke 400:1
Indiana 500:1
Marquette 700:1
Texas 1,000:1
Penn St 1,000:1
Michigan 1,000:1
Arkansas 2,000:1
Louisville 2,000:1
New Mexico 2,000:1
Geo Washington 2,500:1
Maryland 5,000:1
Boston College 7,500:1
California 7,500:1
Tulsa 10,000:1
Va Tech 10,000:1
Oklahoma 20,000:1
Kansas St 20,000:1
Santa Clara 20,000:1
Temple 25,000:1
Clemson 50,000:1
New Orleans 100,000:1
Wis-Green Bay 100,000:1
E Michigan 200,000:1
Bradley 200,000:1
Va Commonwealth 250,000:1
Drexel 500,000:1
Princeton 1 million:1
Canisius 2 million:1
Montana St 5 million:1
Monmouth 100 million:1
Austin Peay 500 million:1
Valparaiso 1 billion:1
Portland 5 billion:1
N Illinois 10 billion:1
NC-Greensboro 100 billion:1
NE Louisiana 100 billion:1
Miss Valley St 500 billion:1
So Carolina St 750 billion:1
W Carolina 1 trillion:1
Colgate 10 trillion:1
C Florida 500 trillion:1
San Jose St 2 gazillion:1
Without permission, Danny Sheridan, USA Today
|
29.992 | | MIMS::ROLLINS_R | | Mon Mar 11 1996 14:13 | 21 |
| Do you think he'd take a 1-cent wager on any of these teams ?
Princeton 1 million:1
Canisius 2 million:1
Montana St 5 million:1
Monmouth 100 million:1
Austin Peay 500 million:1
Valparaiso 1 billion:1
Portland 5 billion:1
N Illinois 10 billion:1
NC-Greensboro 100 billion:1
NE Louisiana 100 billion:1
Miss Valley St 500 billion:1
So Carolina St 750 billion:1
W Carolina 1 trillion:1
Colgate 10 trillion:1
C Florida 500 trillion:1
San Jose St 2 gazillion:1
Without permission, Danny Sheridan, USA Today
|
29.993 | 2 bucks min | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Mon Mar 11 1996 14:53 | 1 |
| I think the minimum is 2 bucks bit it'd be fun to play 'em, wouldn't it!~
|
29.994 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | The engineer formerly known as Roland | Mon Mar 11 1996 15:19 | 1 |
| Did he really use the term "gazillion"?
|
29.995 | yep | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Mon Mar 11 1996 15:28 | 5 |
| Shore did.
It's one of Sheridan's things.
TTom
|
29.996 | Tyson-Bruno over/under | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Mon Mar 11 1996 15:36 | 3 |
| Tyson-Bruno:
over/under 5 full rounds
|
29.997 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Donnie Baseball Yankee HOFer!!! | Mon Mar 11 1996 18:26 | 5 |
|
From them Tourney lines something jumps out BigTime.
Take 'Cuse and the 300-1 odds.
|
29.998 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | The engineer formerly known as Roland | Mon Mar 11 1996 18:39 | 1 |
| What, are you possessed today???
|
29.999 | oddsmakers know ! | USCTR1::GARBARINO | | Mon Mar 11 1996 19:44 | 9 |
| >Odds against winning the NCAAs:
> Memphis 50:1
> Syracuse 300:1
If anyone out there doesn't know what the Boeheim-factor is, you get
a glimpse here ! Memphis and Syracuse are potential 2nd-round opponents,
with Memphis being the lower seed.
|
29.1000 | Round 1 | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Thu Mar 14 1996 13:55 | 23 |
29.1001 | Boxing | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Thu Mar 14 1996 14:06 | 3 |
| Odds *ON* winning that there boxing match:
Mike Tyson 9:1 Bruno Kirby
|
29.1002 | | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | Pride of Steel | Thu Mar 14 1996 14:22 | 12 |
|
> Odds *ON* winning that there boxing match:
>
> Mike Tyson 9:1 Bruno Kirby
At those odds, I'd bet Bruno. Of course you are knowingly going
up against the fix element that heavily favors Tyson, but for 9:1
I'd go with the odd chance that Bruno makes Tyson unconscious,
which da judges can't do anything about.
glenn
|
29.1003 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | The engineer formerly known as Roland | Thu Mar 14 1996 14:30 | 4 |
| I had heard 8-1 Bruno winning, 12-1 Bruno winning by knockout.
The commentator/writer/whoever then stated that you'd be crazy
to take the 8-1 because knockout is the only way Bruno would beat
Tyson in Vegas...
|
29.1004 | Personal opinion alert! | IMBETR::DUPREZ | The engineer formerly known as Roland | Thu Mar 14 1996 14:31 | 3 |
| > UCLA 10 Princeton 123
Dog, under.
|
29.1005 | how bout Cal? | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Thu Mar 14 1996 14:43 | 8 |
| It seems like ever one is on the Cal bandwagon.
Here they are the #12 playing the #5 Iowa St and they're giving 2 points.
The other lower seeds favorite are Va Tech at #8 over #9 Wis-Green Bay
and Stanford at #8 over #9 Bradley.
TTom
|
29.1006 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | The engineer formerly known as Roland | Fri Mar 15 1996 12:27 | 7 |
| >29.1004
>IMBETR::DUPREZ "The engineer formerly known as Roland"
>> UCLA 10 Princeton 123
>Dog, under.
What a genius!!!
|
29.1007 | Round the firsted nexted | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Fri Mar 15 1996 12:56 | 24 |
29.1008 | NIT | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Fri Mar 15 1996 13:01 | 2 |
| NIT:
providence 8 FAIRFIELD 145 @New Haven
|
29.1009 | Sweeeeet 16!~ | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Mon Mar 18 1996 14:24 | 16 |
29.1010 | NIT | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Mon Mar 18 1996 14:24 | 12 |
29.1011 | NCAA odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Tue Mar 19 1996 13:54 | 18 |
| Odds against winning the whole thang:
Kentucky 1:2
Connecticut 2:1
Massachusetts 2:1
Georgetown 4:1
Kansas 6:1
Arizona 10:1
Cincinnati 12:1
Georgia Tech 12:1
Wake Forest 25:1
Syracuse 30:1
Georgia 30:1
Texas Tech 35:1
Mississippi St 40:1
Utah 50:1
Louisville 75:1
Arkansas 100:1
|
29.1012 | and some NB&A | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Tue Mar 19 1996 14:41 | 9 |
29.1013 | corporate line | GENRAL::WADE | Ah'm Yo Huckleberry... | Wed Mar 20 1996 14:47 | 2 |
|
DEC -11 1/8
|
29.1014 | hit the middle | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Wed Mar 20 1996 14:52 | 6 |
| at 11:45 it's back up to 57 1/8, or down -10 1/8 for the day.
Let's see, if'n I can get a quote at 11 and another one at 9 then I can
spin the +11/-9 and possibly hit the middle 10 and win both sides.
TTom
|
29.1015 | | CAM::WAY | There's the devil to pay! | Wed Mar 20 1996 15:06 | 4 |
| You mean the stock market folks FINALLY figured out that the State Hospital in
Danvers played a cruel practical joke on DEC a few years back and that REAL
senior executives of this company are being held hostage there, while the
senior executives we have are really escapees from there?
|
29.1016 | slightly updated Sweet 16 | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Wed Mar 20 1996 15:26 | 16 |
29.1017 | NIT | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Wed Mar 20 1996 15:30 | 10 |
| NIT:
Wednesday:
SO CAROLINA 5 alabama 151
TULANE 9 illinois st 147
Thursday:
St.JOSEPH'S 4 rhode island 148
Friday:
FRESNO ST 5 nebraska 156
|
29.1018 | updated odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Wed Mar 20 1996 21:11 | 21 |
|
Odds to Win the 1996 NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament
Team Open Current
Kentucky 7-5 3-5
Connecticut 4-1 9-2
Massachusetts 6-1 7-1
Georgetown 7-1 8-1
Kansas 8-1 10-1
Cincinnati 20-1 18-1
Georgia Tech 18-1 20-1
Wake Forest 12-1 20-1
Arizona 30-1 22-1
Syracuse 40-1 30-1
Texas Tech 25-1 35-1
Georgia 40-1 40-1
Mississippi State 30-1 40-1
Utah 35-1 40-1
Louisville 75-1 75-1
Arkansas 100-1 100-1
|
29.1019 | I demand an ecks-plan-a-shun | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | Pride of Steel | Thu Mar 21 1996 17:23 | 13 |
|
> Team Open Current
>
> Kentucky 7-5 3-5
Sumpin' ain't right here. There was virtually no chance of Kentucky
being upset in the first two rounds, and no other serious contender
(forget Purdue) has been eliminated, yet the odds on Kaintuck have
been cut by *more than double* (note that the odds on all other teams
have remained essentially the same).
glenn
|
29.1020 | | AKOCOA::BREEN | You never can tell | Thu Mar 21 1996 17:27 | 6 |
| Was the "open" the open of odds for the Sweet 16 to the final or the
original open. I think the former since UMass and others increased not
decreased (some of the Purdue,UCLA,Conf USA, Villanova money had to go
somewhere). If this is the case then a lot of money poured in on
Kentucky which will be the derby's loss when Rick takes his annual
choke.
|
29.1021 | Not who will win, but how much will be wagered | ILBBAK::SILVESTRI | Soar with the Eagles! | Thu Mar 21 1996 18:10 | 26 |
| >> -< I demand an ecks-plan-a-shun >-
>> > Team Open Current
>> >
>> > Kentucky 7-5 3-5
>> Sumpin' ain't right here. There was virtually no chance of Kentucky
>> being upset in the first two rounds, and no other serious contender
>> (forget Purdue) has been eliminated, yet the odds on Kaintuck have
>> been cut by *more than double* (note that the odds on all other teams
>> have remained essentially the same).
Could be that there were doubts about Kentucky coming off their
upset loss to Miss State in the SEC Tournament ... many people
thought that all Kentucky's huge wins this season were over a very
week SEC conference, but the SEC is showing in the NCAA tournament
that they actually have a pretty strong conference this year and that
Kentucky was just a level above everyone else in the SEC ... so
the odds makers adjust their odds accordingly ...
Then again, we all know that the odds are actually set to make
sure even money is bet on both sides, so a lot of money was probably
being waged on Kentucky and the odds makers adjusted accordingly ...
Vinny
|
29.1022 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove | Thu Mar 21 1996 19:41 | 8 |
|
re .-1
That's sounds pretty plausible to me. The only thing that I'd
added is that no one else in the tourney has done anything to
make anyone believe that Kentucky *isn't* the prohibitive fav-
orite.
|
29.1023 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | The engineer formerly known as Roland | Fri Mar 22 1996 11:43 | 4 |
29.1024 | Early Final 4 line | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Mon Mar 25 1996 13:50 | 7 |
29.1025 | NIT | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Mon Mar 25 1996 13:52 | 7 |
29.1026 | Now Nebraska Basketball I like | AKOCOA::BREEN | You never can tell | Tue Mar 26 1996 16:23 | 1 |
| I like the three dogs and St Jo's to push
|
29.1027 | didn't get their wish | USCTR1::GARBARINO | | Tue Mar 26 1996 16:41 | 4 |
29.1028 | Final 4 update | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Wed Mar 27 1996 13:48 | 7 |
29.1029 | Final 4 odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Wed Mar 27 1996 13:49 | 6 |
| Odds against winning tournament:
Kentucky 1:3
Massachusetts 5:1
Mississippi St 7:1
Syracuse 10:1
|
29.1030 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | The engineer formerly known as Roland | Wed Mar 27 1996 14:01 | 3 |
| > Massachusetts 5:1
There's the best bang for the buck...
|
29.1031 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Fri Apr 05 1996 16:29 | 12 |
29.1032 | some MLB odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Fri Apr 05 1996 17:17 | 109 |
| DIAMOND DUST: The Major League Baseball season is underway, and so is
the wagering. Along with the daily sides and totals come a number of
future book and proposition wagers:
Odds to win the 1996 American League Pennant
Team Open Current
Indians 3-1 9-5
Yankees 4-1 5-1
Red Sox 6-1 8-1
Orioles 8-1 5-1
Mariners 8-1 7-1
White Sox 8-1 10-1
Angels 10-1 8-1
Rangers 12-1 15-1
Royals 18-1 30-1
Blue Jays 18-1 40-1
Athletics 20-1 50-1
Brewers 30-1 35-1
Tigers 35-1 40-1
Twins 50-1 40-1
_________________________________________________________________
Odds to win the 1996 National League Pennant
Team Open Current
Braves 5-2 8-5
Reds 4-1 7-1
Dodgers 6-1 5-1
Rockies 8-1 8-1
Astros 8-1 10-1
Giants 12-1 20-1
Mets 12-1 12-1
Cubs 15-1 15-1
Expos 18-1 22-1
Padres 18-1 15-1
Phillies 18-1 35-1
Cardinals 30-1 10-1
Marlins 30-1 20-1
Pirates 40-1 40-1
_________________________________________________________________
One of the most popular proposition wagers is betting whether a team
will win over or under a designated number of regular season games:
1996 Major League Baseball Regular Season Wins
Atlanta Braves 100
Cleveland Indians 100
Baltimore Orioles 89
Los Angeles Dodgers 88
New York Yankees 87.5
Seattle Mariners 87
Boston Red Sox 86.5
California Angels 86.5
Cincinnati Reds 86
St. Louis Cardinals 84.5
Houston Astros 84
Chicago White Sox 84
Colorado Rockies 83.5
Texas Rangers 82.5
New York Mets 82
Chicago Cubs 82
Florida Marlins 80
San Francisco Giants 77.5
San Diego Padres 77.5
Kansas City Royals 76.5
Philadelphia Phillies 75.5
Montreal Expos 73
Toronto Blue Jays 72
Milwaukee Brewers 72
Minnesota Twins 70.5
Pittsburgh Pirates 68
Detroit Tigers 67.5
Oakland Athletics 66.5
_________________________________________________________________
Another baseball prop worthy of mention is the one conjured up Gene
Kivi, the VP and director of race and sports at the MGM Grand, in Las
Vegas. Kivi players can wager on which players will win the American
and National League batting championships.
Seattle's Edgar Martinez is favored in the American League, at odds of
5-1. Then come Wade Boggs and Tim Salmon, each at 7-1; and the trio of
Frank Thomas, Kirby Puckett and Garret Anderson, each at 10-1.
Over in the National League, San Diego's Tony Gwynn is rated 5-2 to
win another batting crown, followed by Dante Bichette, 4-1; Mike
Piazza, 5-1; Mark Grace, 6-1; and Derek Bell, 8-1.
ALL BETS ARE OFF: There has not been, nor will there be, any wagering
on Oakland A's games played in Nevada, April 1-7, ruled Nevada Gaming
Control Board Chairman Bill Bible. The ruling stems from a 1985
directive which prohibits wagers on any professional baseball played
in the state of Nevada. The Athletics are playing at Cashman Field in
Las Vegas while the Oakland Coliseum is being renovated.
|
29.1033 | never too early for SBXXXI | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Fri Apr 05 1996 20:11 | 32 |
| NFL Super Bowl XXXI (updated April 2)
Cowboys 3-1
49ers 4-1
Packers 8-1
Steelers 10-1
Dolphins 12-1
Lions 12-1
Bills 15-1
Chargers 15-1
Chiefs 15-1
Raiders 15-1
Broncos 25-1
Colts 25-1
Eagles 25-1
Patriots 30-1
Vikings 30-1
Baltimore 30-1
Falcons 30-1
Bears 40-1
Seahawks 40-1
Bengals 40-1
Cardinals 50-1
Giants 50-1
Oilers 50-1
Rams 60-1
Redskins 60-1
Buccaneers 75-1
Panthers 75-1
Saints 75-1
Jaguars 100-1
Jets 100-1
|
29.1034 | | AKOCOA::BREEN | You never can tell | Fri Apr 05 1996 20:12 | 1 |
| Angels and Astros would be my longshots
|
29.1035 | NBA Playoffs | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Wed Apr 24 1996 13:32 | 11 |
29.1036 | NBA Odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Thu Apr 25 1996 13:34 | 18 |
| Danny Sheridan's Odds against winning the NBA Championship:
CHICAGO 1:3
ORLANDO 5:1
SEATTLE 6:1
SAN ANTONIO 10:1
UTAH 10:1
HOUSTON 12:1
LA LAKERS 15:1
INDIANA 25:1
PHOENIX 50:1
NEW YORK 75:1
DETROIT 100:1
ATLANTA 150:1
MIAMI 175:1
CLEVELAND 200:1
PORTLAND 250:1
SACRAMENTO 500:1
|
29.1038 | look to the betting not the game | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Thu Apr 25 1996 15:15 | 9 |
| Let's all remember now that odds and lines are not predictions of the
outcome of the sporting event but rather predictions of the way the
betting will go.
Also, these adds are to win it all and don't really address the issue of
whether Cleveland will be NY or vice versa. FWIW, Cleveland is favored
by 4 or so to beat NY in game 1 and are prolly favored to win the series.
TTom
|
29.1039 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Donnie Baseball Yankee HOFer!!! | Thu Apr 25 1996 15:34 | 3 |
|
Knicks in 5 Bank on it!!
|
29.1040 | some more NBA odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Thu Apr 25 1996 18:20 | 10 |
| Odds *ON* winning first round series:
CLEVELAND 9:5 new york
INDIANA 8:5 atlanta
UTAH 4:1 portland
LA LAKERS 3:2 houston
ORLANDO 20:1 detroit
SAN ANTONIO 5:1 phoenix
CHICAGO 35:1 miami
SEATTLE 25:1 sacramento
|
29.1041 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Mon Apr 29 1996 13:47 | 3 |
29.1042 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Tue Apr 30 1996 14:29 | 4 |
29.1043 | Da Derby Odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | floor,chair,couch,bed | Tue Apr 30 1996 15:36 | 20 |
| Unbridled's Song 6:5
Skip Away 3:1
Alyrob 5:1
Grindstone 5:1
Cavonnier 8:1
Zarb's Magic 8:1
Editor's Note 10:1
Diligence 12:1
Honour And Glory 12:1
Louis Quatorze 12:1
Blowout 15:1
Built for Pleasure 15:1
Halo Sunshine 15:1
Prince of Thieves 15:1
Victory Speech 15:1
Corker 20:1
In Contention 20:1
City By Night 25:1
Matty G 25:1
Semoran 30:1
|
29.1044 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed May 01 1996 13:56 | 5 |
29.1045 | Hokey Odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed May 01 1996 14:02 | 11 |
| Odds *against* winning the Stanley Cup:
Detroit 3-5
Philadelphia 4-1
Pittsburgh 8-1
Colorado 8-1
New York 10-1
Chicago 10-1
Florida 25-1
St. Louis 50-1
|
29.1046 | Derby lineup with odds, etc. | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu May 02 1996 14:50 | 24 |
|
Pos. Horse Jockey Weight Trainer Odds
1 Blow Out P.Johnson 126 Jim Kiefer 12-1
2 Victory Speech J. Santos 126 D. Wayne Lukas 15-1
3 Diligence K. Desormeaux 126 Nick Zito 15-1
4 Cavonnier Bob Baffert 126 Chris McCarron 10-1
5 Halo Sunshine C Perret 126 Richard Cross 20-1
6 Semoran R. Baze 126 Bob Baffert 10-1
7 Zarb's Magic R. Ardoin 126 Bret Thomas 20-1
8 In Contention T. Black 126 Cynthia Reese 20-1
9 F-Corker C. Black 126 C. Wittingham 12-1
10 Prince of Thieves P. Day 126 D. Wayne Lukas 15-1
11 Louis Quatorze C. Antley 126 Nick Zito 15-1
12 Alyrob* C. Nakatani 126 Wally Dollase 12-1
13 Honor and Glory J. Santos 126 D. Wayne Lukas 15-1
14 Built for Pleasure J. Velasquez 126 Tommy Heard 12-1
15 City by Night R. Davis 126 Patrick Byrne 12-1
16 Grindstone J. Bailey 126 D. Wayne Lukas 6-1
17 Skip Away S. Sellers 126 Sonny Hine 7-2
18 Editor's Note G. Stevens 126 D. Wayne Lukas 6-1
19 Matty G A. Solis 126 Ron McAnally 12-1
20 Unbridled's Song M. Smith 126 Jim Ryerson 8-5
* aint holding
|
29.1047 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu May 02 1996 14:57 | 4 |
29.1048 | Lukas bane of racing | AKOCOA::BREEN | Better days are coming bye and bye. Bull... | Thu May 02 1996 15:08 | 11 |
| Ttom, is that 5 or 6 Lukas horses? He's pulling that two owner crap
again since I see one of them at a different price. Are some of those
horses a field line? They should limit the number of horses by one
trainer to two or three; this is like the Kenyans in the Baa marathon.
I'll take Corker. Nice betting derby if you can sort it out since
Unbridle Song will hoard a lot of money and may not perform leaving all
the pools open. Have to look at the field and Lukas combos too plus
the Lukas "other" horse which he could play off his other entries. The
bum will try to have two situated fore and aft coming into the stretch
with others blocking and opening up accordingly.
|
29.1049 | Derby field and coupled betting | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu May 02 1996 16:20 | 39 |
| Here's the groupings ('nother source)
KENTUCKY DERBY ENTERIES AND POST POSITIONS
The field for Saturday's 122nd Kentucky Derby:
PP HORSE JOCKEY ODDS
1. f-Blow Out Johnson 12-1
2. a-Victory Speech Santos 15-1
3. b-Diligence Desormeaux 15-1
4. c-Cavonnier McCarron 10-1
5. Halo Sunshine Perret 20-1
6. c-Semoran Baze 10-1
7. Zarb's Magic Ardoin 20-1
8. In Contention T.Black 20-1
9. f-Corker C.Black 12-1
10. Prince of Thieves Day 15-1
11. b-Louis Quatorze Antley 15-1
12. Alyrob Nakatani 12-1
13. a-Honour and Glory Santos 15-1
14. f-Built for Pleasure Velazquez 12-1
15. f-City by Night Davis 12-1
16. d-Grindstone Bailey 6-1
17. Skip Away Sellers 7-2
18. d-Editor's Note Stevens 6-1
19. f-Matty G Solis 12-1
20. Unbridled's Song Smith 8-5
a-Mike Tabor owned entry.
b-Nick Zito trained entry.
c-Bob Baffert trained entry.
d-Overbrook Farm owned entry.
f-mutuel field.
FWIW, I like prince of Thieves and if'n I was there I'd bet this across
the board pretty good. Pat Day always does well on his home track and I
aint about to quit on him. He's made me more money than all the rest of
'em together.
TTom
|
29.1050 | | XTATIC::CHILDS | | Thu May 02 1996 18:07 | 2 |
|
Zarb's Magic for me. I like that name......
|
29.1051 | Anybody but Lukas is my motto | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | Best of luck, Marcus! | Thu May 02 1996 18:55 | 5 |
| I kinda like the Nick Zito entry, coupled with Unbridled's Song in an
exacta box. That #20 post will scare a lot of bettors away from the
favorite.
NAZZ
|
29.1052 | | CHEFS::7A1_GRN | Probably somewhat reluctant | Fri May 03 1996 10:32 | 4 |
| I'll plumb for Skip Away but then again what do I know.
CHARLEY$other_side_of_the_pond
|
29.1053 | duly logged | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Fri May 03 1996 14:03 | 8 |
| CHARLEY$other_side_of_the_pond,
Opinions are like a rear apertures; ever one's got one.
And I support your right even if'n you are on the other side of the salty
pond to exercise both or 'em.
TTom
|
29.1054 | NBA for the weekend | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Fri May 03 1996 15:35 | 11 |
29.1055 | | XTATIC::CHILDS | | Fri May 03 1996 17:33 | 5 |
| dam TV waiting until sunday to finish off 2 of the remaining series. I assume
should the Suns win tonight than they'll play game 5 in that one on sunday
also?
mike
|
29.1056 | [Game 5 Sunday at SA] | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Fri May 03 1996 17:35 | 8 |
| Yeah, game 5 will be on Sunday at San Antonio if'n the Suns pull another
one out...
I think it oughta be against the law to have overlapping series like
these. I mean how 'bout finishing round 1 afore starting round 2...
TTom
|
29.1057 | | AKOCOA::BREEN | Better days are coming bye and bye. Bull... | Fri May 03 1996 19:43 | 1 |
| Maybe they can put it as a rider on the Franchise relocation bill
|
29.1058 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Donnie Baseball Yankee HOFer!!! | Fri May 03 1996 19:48 | 13 |
|
Bet it up!!
Heres your winners.
1 Cavonnier
2 Skip Away
3 Zarbs Magic!!
Chap
|
29.1059 | NBA tonight | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Mon May 06 1996 18:06 | 6 |
| NBA:
SEATTLE 5 houston 192
Seattle leads series, 1-0.
TTom
|
29.1060 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed May 08 1996 16:09 | 2 |
| NBA:
ORLANDO 12 atlanta 192
|
29.1061 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Mon May 13 1996 15:57 | 6 |
29.1062 | smore NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed May 22 1996 18:02 | 2 |
29.1063 | some kinda racin | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed May 22 1996 20:42 | 14 |
| The odds on the two lesser races Sunday:
Indianapolis 500 U.S. 500 (Brooklyn, MI)
---------------------------- ----------------------------
Arie Luyendyk 3-1 Jimmy Vasser 9-2
Tony Stewart 9-2 Paul Tracy 5-1
Eddie Cheever 6-1 Al Unser Jr. 5-1
Roberto Guerrero 8-1 Scott Pruett 8-1
Davy Jones 10-1 Emerson Fittipaldi 10-1
Buddy Lazier 12-1 Michael Andretti 12-1
Eliseo Salazar 12-1 Andre Ribeiro 12-1
Buzz Calkins 15-1 Adrian Fernandez 15-1
Scott Sharp 18-1 Bryan Herta 15-1
Mike Groff 20-1 Gil De Ferran 20-1
|
29.1064 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | It's Baseball And You're An American | Wed May 22 1996 21:11 | 1 |
| Doesn't look like the Indy 500 will survive in this situation...
|
29.1065 | still only one NASCAR!~ | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed May 22 1996 21:13 | 10 |
| The split in indy car racing will widen deeply nexted year.
The group that's in with the owners of the 500 will change their rules so
that they will have different specs for their cars and engines than the
other group CART.
What this means is that it will virtually impossible excepted for the
very wealthy to compete on both circuits.
Stay tuned...
|
29.1066 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu May 23 1996 16:15 | 8 |
29.1067 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | It's Baseball And You're An American | Thu May 23 1996 16:20 | 1 |
| Wasn't Ho Grant going to "show the Magic how to win"?
|
29.1068 | and a little hokey | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu May 23 1996 16:23 | 44 |
| NHL (from Sportszone)
Thursday, May 23
TIME # TEAM
5:35 1. Det PK-129
2. COL 5ov20
Friday, May 24
TIME # TEAM
4:35 1. Pit PK-128
2. FLA 5'ov15
About the Daily Line
KEY
(*) = Line has moved since last update
(') = Half point
(TC) = Time Change
(PC) = Pitching Change
X = Game off the board
EV = Even
PK = Pick'em
ALL TIMES PACIFIC.
_______________________________________________________________
How to read hockey
Example 1
1. Pit 1/2+115 --points team is favored by with the dime line-amount
needed to win 100 plus original number(115 because number is
positive) if team wins
2. BUF 6ov30 -- over/under--final score added together
if you choose the over you pay 130 to win 100
if you choose the under you pay 100 to win 100.
Example 2
3. Nyi 6'un20 -- over/under--final score added together
if you choose the under you pay 120 to win 100
if you choose the over you pay 100 to win 100.
4. TAM 1/2-130 -- points Tampa is favored by with the dime
line-amount needed to win 130 (because number is negative) plus
original number (100) if team wins
|
29.1069 | I think this is hokey | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Fri May 24 1996 16:32 | 12 |
| NHL (see previous for arcane references):
Friday, May 24
TIME # TEAM
4:35 1. Pit PK-128
2. FLA 5'ov15
Saturday, May 25
TIME # TEAM
4:35 1. Det PK-120
2. COL 5'un20
|
29.1070 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Tue May 28 1996 14:52 | 2 |
29.1071 | more hokey | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Tue May 28 1996 19:01 | 8 |
| NHL:
Tuesday, May 28
TIME # TEAM
4:35 1. Fla 5'ov20
2. PIT 1'+172
see .1068 for key
|
29.1072 | super odds update | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Tue May 28 1996 19:24 | 33 |
| As if there aint enough to deal with...
NFL Super Bowl XXXI (updated May 6)
49ers 3-1
Cowboys 4-1
Packers 8-1
Dolphins 10-1
Steelers 10-1
Lions 12-1
Bills 15-1
Raiders 15-1
Chargers 20-1
Chiefs 20-1
Colts 25-1
Broncos 30-1
Eagles 30-1
Falcons 30-1
Patriots 30-1
Bears 40-1
Rams 40-1
Ravens 40-1
Seahawks 40-1
Vikings 40-1
Bengals 50-1
Cardinals 50-1
Giants 50-1
Oilers 50-1
Buccaneers 60-1
Redskins 60-1
Jaguars 75-1
Jets 75-1
Panthers 100-1
Saints 100-1
|
29.1073 | 'Odds & Ends' | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed May 29 1996 14:48 | 127 |
| from www.usatoday.com Odds & Ends column:
NASCAR WINS RACING'S BIGGEST WEEKEND
While nearly everyone in auto racing was waiting to see whether the
Indianapolis 500, with its history and tradition, or the inaugural
U.S. 500, with the best drivers and fastest cars, had the most octane,
it was NASCAR's Coca-Cola 600 which got the checkered flag.
Well almost, anyway.
According to Robert Smith, auto racing oddsmaker for Leroy's, the
operator of 36 licensed sports books within Nevada, the Winston Cup
stock car race from Charlotte, N.C., held its own against the open
wheel behemoths, making its presence felt where it matters most, at
the wagering windows. Smith said handle for the three races wound up
in a triple dead-heat, a tremendous accomplishment for NASCAR, which
was shifted to the back pages of most newspaper sports sections by the
highly publicized and largely acrimonious battle between the two
competing 500 lap events. U.S. 500 supporters can take solace in the
numbers too, but for the venerable Indy 500, where handle in Nevada
was down 67% over a year ago, it was something less than a pleasing
Sunday afternoon drive.
For the record, Buddy Lazier's victory at the Brickyard was achieved
at odds of 12-1 as Arie Luyendyk, the 3-1 favorite, failed to finish
and wound up 16th.
The chalk held up in the U.S. 500 in Michigan however, as Jimmy Vasser
won his fourth race of the year at odds of 9-2. Dale Jarrett's victory
in the Coca-Cola 600 was worth 12-1 to his backers.
TOUR DE FORCE: All the firsts were not on the racetrack Sunday. Steve
Stricker, who in seven years on the tour had never before won a PGA
event, captured the Kemper Open in Potomac, Michigan, at the ripe odds
of 35-1. Stricker fired a 68 Sunday for a 72-hole total of 270, 14
strokes under par and three shots better than Mark O'Meara, Brad
Faxon, Scott Hoch and Grant Waite, who tied for second.
THAT WAS THE WEEK THAT WAS: You're usually in trouble if you're
counting on a Michael Jordan miss during crunch time, but bookmakers
tempted both MJ and fate and came away winners, Monday. The bookies,
who had watched with growing concern when bettors pounded the Bulls
from 6 to 8-point favorites against the Orlando Magic, tying the wager
in with a parlay on the over, were clinging to victory at 106-101 when
Jordan stepped to the line to shoot a pair of free throws with three
seconds left. Jordan, a good foul shooter, missed both as bet takers
across the state celebrated.
Hockey doesn't usually attract a large wagering audience but more than
a few players seemed to have a strong opinion on Saturday's
Detroit-Colorado contest. The playoff game opened pick em before money
on the Red Wings made Detroit a -135 favorite (bet $135 to win $100).
But players were on the wrong end of the hockey stick this time as the
Avalanche prevailed, 4-2.
PUNCH LINES: WBC super featherweight champion Azumah Nelson of Ghana
is a narrow -200 favorite (bet $200 to win $100) over challenger Jesse
James Leija at Boulder Station Casino in Las Vegas, Saturday. Leija is
a +160 underdog (bet $100 to win $160).
The Nelson-Leija bout, which will be held in a 4,000-seat temporary
outdoor stadium in the Boulder Station parking lot, will be shown on
HBO as part of that network's "Boxing After Dark" series.
MEMORIAL SERVICES: Hoping to repair his image and build his confidence
before the next Grand Slam event, the U.S. Open, June 13-16, Greg
Norman is the early 6-1 favorite for the Memorial at the Muirfield
Village Golf Club in Dublin Ohio, May 30-June 2. Norman, who lost a
six stroke lead on the final day of the Masters, will be chased by
Fred Couples and Corey Pavin, co-second choices at 10-1. Tom Lehman
and Davis Love III each are 12-1, with Ernie Els and Phil Mickelson
bracketed at 15-1. Last weekend's winner, Steve Stricker, who took the
Kemper Open, is at 35-1.
THE REIGN IN SPAIN: Damon Hill, the only multiple winner on this
year's Formula I tour, is a 4-5 favorite to add the Grand Prix of
Spain to his resume, Sunday. Hill's teammate, Jacques Villeneuve, and
Michael Schumacher, each are quoted at 4-1. Jean Alesi is 8-1 in the
Barcelona race.
HIT AND RUN: Wichita State will be the 3-1 favorite when the first
pitch is thrown at the College World Series in Omaha, Nebraska,
Friday. The eight-team double elimination tournament, which will run
through June 8, has a distinctly southeastern flavor to it. LSU is the
7-2 second choice with Florida and Clemson each rated at 5-1. Miami
checks in at 6-1 with Alabama held at 8-1. Florida State comes next at
10-1. Oklahoma State is 12-1.
JUST HORSING AROUND: Pony players eager to turn a toothpick into a
lumberyard might want to head for the 25th annual World Championship
of Race Horse Handicapping at the Club Cal-Neva in Reno, Nev., June
13-16. The horse handicapping tournament, which requires only a $50
entry fee, has a guarantee of $50,000 in prize money. That's one
reason, said Chris Andrews, the director of race and sports at the
Cal-Neva, why the tournament has proven to be the most popular of all
such competitions in the state.
Another reason is the tournament format. After putting up the entry
fee, players gamble with $500 of their own money, keeping all their
winnings. Each player must make 10 bets each day equal to 10% of his
current bankroll. Thus, everyone bets $50 a race on day one. A player
who has boosted his bankroll to $800, bets $80 a race on day two. One
who enters day two with only $250, bets $25 a race, etc.
RECOMMENDED READING: "The First Century," by Joe Hirsch, is a 224-page
gallop through 100 years of Daily Racing Form and the sport it so
intensively covers. Hirsch, the executive columnist for DRF and a
40-year observer of thoroughbred racing, chronicles the exploits of
the greatest horses, jockeys, trainers and racing personalities from
1894 to the present, many of them through first-hand knowledge.
Illustrated with more than 200 photographs, and written with the
insight and devotion to the sports only Hirsch can provide, "The First
Century" is the most comprehensive look back at the important events
and individuals which shaped racing's modern era. "The First Century"
will be available June 1, from DRF Press.
AROUND THE WORLD: You can't wager on Boris Becker this week--he's out
of the French Open with an injury--but you can drop a few rubles on
Boris Yeltsin's future in the presidential elections in Russia, June
16. Players can take out futures contracts from the commodity exchange
in Moscow, trading on Yeltsin's percentage of the vote. It's not
exactly soy beans but, given Yeltsin's considerable girth, it's not
too far from pork bellies, either. In fact, the futures contracts have
gained so much attention that the Russian newspaper Izvestia carries
the prices daily on its front page as a legitimate business prognosis.
|
29.1074 | A fishy series from day 1 | AKOCOA::BREEN | Better days are coming bye and bye. BS | Wed May 29 1996 14:55 | 5 |
| >Jordan, a good foul shooter, missed both as bet takers across the state
>celebrated.
Are they trying to tell us something? How did they get the signal to
him, did Dennis Scott whisper it in his ear?
|
29.1075 | the grassy knoll | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed May 29 1996 15:01 | 12 |
| That's what I thought, billte.
Maybe this is the real consipiracy in the Jordan Chronicles. The Mob,
unhappy with all the attention Jordan is causing about gambling, puts the
fix in and forces hiim out and a couple of years later, after he realized
his life was miserable, Jordan goes crawling back to the Mob asking for
rear entry into the league. So, he promised that he'll tank a playoff
game here and there for 'em.
I made up that part about his life being miserable, though.
TTom
|
29.1076 | | AKOCOA::BREEN | Better days are coming bye and bye. BS | Wed May 29 1996 15:32 | 5 |
| Yes, it's totally inconceivable that a person with an income of 40-50
million/per could be dabbling in a few extra dollars to shave some
needless points. However, if he got mixed up in college and made an
offer to continue ad infinitum that he couldn't refuse and they knocked
off the old man for emphasis... What do we know.
|
29.1077 | quoting Homer: those dastards | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed May 29 1996 15:41 | 2 |
| ... and then he wakes up in the morning to find Dennis Rodman's bloody
head in the same bed...
|
29.1078 | somebody by something over/under something | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed May 29 1996 20:08 | 5 |
| NHL:
Wednesday, May 29
5:30 1. Det PK-120
2. COL 5'un20
|
29.1079 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu May 30 1996 15:25 | 2 |
29.1080 | early lines | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Mon Jun 03 1996 17:40 | 13 |
| early lines:
NBA:
Wednesday, June 5
6:05 1. Sea 186
2. CHI 9'
NHL:
Tuesday, June 4
TIME # TEAM
5:05 1. Fla 5ov25
2. COL 1'+158
|
29.1081 | | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Mon Jun 03 1996 18:43 | 5 |
| Ttom,
Does this mean Colorado is favored by a goal plus a money line?
.1068 isn't clear to me about hockey combining goals and odds.
bb
|
29.1082 | think so | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Mon Jun 03 1996 19:14 | 11 |
| The way I read it, based on .1068 is that:
o Colorado is favored by a point and a half; that you have to bet
158 bucks to win 100
o Over under is 5; you have to bet 125 to win 100
It definitely is a combination of two types of betting, in effect, having
spreads and odds in the same line.
TTom
|
29.1083 | | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Mon Jun 03 1996 19:40 | 10 |
| there has to be some desperate people to combine goals and odds though
they do it in horse racing with weight handicapping. So you take
Florida, Colo gets the winner at 18:00 of the third and then takes your
money on an empty netter at 19:58.
Heck if this spreads to all the sports the states can take it over and
call it a sports lottery.
I remember in the old, old days nothing could set off a gaggle of
bookies laughing like the subject of betting on hockey.
|
29.1084 | not uncommon | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Mon Jun 03 1996 19:47 | 13 |
| Mixing and matching has been around for quite a while.
Where you see it a lot is for those season long bets like will a given
NBA team win 40 games.
When they start out, they'll post the over/under of 40 as a straight up
bet. As wagering happens, rather than move the over/under, they start
tacking on odds making the proposition more or less expensive.
Lasted year, I bet that the Hornets would win less than 48 (I think)
games and had to risk $130 to win $100.
TTom
|
29.1085 | | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Mon Jun 03 1996 20:23 | 7 |
| Was that before or after the killer-bees (as son Phil calls em) lost
Mourning?
I call what you talked about leveraging. I used to do it with the
World Series. It works better with long odds like if I took Seattle
for the series at ??? (5-1?) for 100. If it came to a game 7 I could
bet Chicago straight up for less than the $500 and be a sure winner.
|
29.1086 | low | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Tue Jun 04 1996 13:35 | 6 |
| Nah, this was afore the season started. Zo left after that.
I just had a feeling about the Bugs having already peaked mostly cause LJ
was already showing up lame. I thought they'd slip, but not this far.
TTom
|
29.1087 | NHL, NBA finals odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Tue Jun 04 1996 14:31 | 11 |
| some odds:
Odds *on* winning the NBA championship:
Chicago, 10:1 (bet 10 to win 1)
Odds *on* winning the NHL championship:
Colorado, 12:5 (bet 12 to win 5)
TTom
|
29.1088 | The National Football League da-da-da-da-da | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Tue Jun 04 1996 15:33 | 5 |
29.1089 | | MFGFIN::JACKSON | Set the drag just right! | Wed Jun 05 1996 02:29 | 5 |
| re-1
A line on a game before training camp has even started?
Tim
|
29.1090 | It's gambling and you're a_American!~ | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Jun 05 1996 13:54 | 0 |
29.1091 | NBA odds and lines | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Jun 05 1996 15:28 | 22 |
29.1092 | de la Hoya vs Chavez | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Jun 05 1996 18:18 | 42 |
|
PUNCH LINES: Usually it's just the big boys, the heavyweights, who are
able to command the bold type and bold bets, but Saturday's eagerly
anticipated WBC super lightweight showdown at Caesars Palace between
legendary Julio Cesar Chavez and undefeated "Golden Boy" Oscar De La
Hoya has been a major wagering attraction since it was first posted,
February 21.
The younger and faster De La Hoya, who opened at -270, has slipped to
-220. Meanwhile, money has shown for the harder hitting and more
experienced Chavez, who has dropped from +210 to +180.
It's also +110 that the bout lasts a full 12 rounds and -150 that it
does not go the distance. Given the magnitude of the Chavez-De La Hoya
encounter, there also are several propositions on the fight:
* How will it end?
De La Hoya by KO* 8-5
De La Hoya by decision 8-5
Chavez by KO* 7-2
Chavez by decision 4-1
12 round draw 18-1
* KO = KO, TKO or disqualification
* Pick the round
De La Hoya Round Chavez
20-1 1 40-1
20-1 2 40-1
20-1 3 40-1
20-1 4 40-1
18-1 5 30-1
18-1 6 30-1
18-1 7 30-1
18-1 8 30-1
15-1 9 25-1
15-1 10 25-1
15-1 11 25-1
15-1 12 25-1
|
29.1093 | hokey | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu Jun 06 1996 18:16 | 4 |
|
1. Fla 5ov20
2. COL 1'+170
|
29.1094 | NBA Finals Game II | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Fri Jun 07 1996 14:05 | 4 |
| NBA:
CHICAGO 10 seattle 189
game odds: Chicago 1:7
series odds: Chicago 1:35
|
29.1095 | and da fight | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Fri Jun 07 1996 14:07 | 3 |
29.1096 | NHL | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Mon Jun 10 1996 14:56 | 4 |
|
1. Col PK+127
2. FLA 5'un30
|
29.1097 | maybe the final NBA finals | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Tue Jun 11 1996 16:10 | 7 |
29.1098 | over/under for TFSO | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Jun 12 1996 16:53 | 3 |
| Latest TFSO:
over/under 10,000
|
29.1099 | game 5 | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu Jun 13 1996 15:54 | 4 |
29.1100 | some US Open odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu Jun 13 1996 16:57 | 49 |
|
DESPITE MASTERS COLLAPSE, NORMAN FAVORED AT U.S. OPEN
LAS VEGAS, Nev. - His six-stroke collapse in the Masters may have been
fodder for the late-show monologues of Leno and Letterman, but those
who follow the game closely believe Greg Norman still has the best
all-around game in golf. That's why Norman is the 7-1 favorite for the
U.S. Golf Championship at the Oakland Hills course in Birmingham,
Mich., this weekend. Norman's nemesis, Nick Faldo, is rated right
behind the White Shark at 8-1, followed by last weekend's Buick
Classic winner, Ernie Els, at 9-1. Corey Pavin is listed at 10-1 with
Colin Montgomerie quoted at 12-1. Tom Lehman, Davis Love III and Phil
Mickelson each check in at 15-1 on the early line.
Fred Couples and Nick Price each have scratched from the Open.
There's more than one way to play a golf hole and there's more than
one way to bet the U.S. Open. In addition to wagering on the overall
winner, there are betting propositions offered on head-to-head
matchups and group matchups:
Head-to-Head Matchups
Greg Norman -120
Nick Faldo Even
Colin Montgomerie Even
Ernie Els -120
Davis Love III -110
Tom Lehman -110
Mark O'Meara -120
Vijay Singh Even
Group Matchups
Group A Group B
Corey Pavin 2-1 Greg Norman 3-2
Davis Love III 5-2 Nick Faldo 8-5
Tom Lehman 5-2 Steve Elkington 4-1
Phil Mickelson 3-1 Payne Stewart 9-2
*If all players make the cut, lowest score wins. Otherwise, most
completed holes wins.
|
29.1101 | Watson's odds? | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Thu Jun 13 1996 17:51 | 7 |
| I haven't looked but a player who may make a comeback is Payne Stewart.
Locally there's a Hooter Tour guy, Andy Morse that may bear watching
not to speak of Brad Faxon.
Length plus consistency in hitting the fairways and then greens work
will be critical. Nicklaus and Watson can't be counted out.
|
29.1102 | good call | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu Jun 13 1996 17:53 | 1 |
| and ol' Payne is in the clubhouse at -3.
|
29.1103 | I may be hot TTom | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Thu Jun 13 1996 17:55 | 4 |
| Would you believe me if I said I was going to type Jantzen too but
desisted?
I like the Sonics Friday btw.
|
29.1104 | we shall see | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu Jun 13 1996 17:56 | 7 |
| > -< I may be hot TTom >-
I'll keep this in mind.
Actually, this is one of the few times that I made a plan for a whole
series and I'm goin with it. In a way, I hope you're right but then again
I din't plan on no game 6...
|
29.1105 | current NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Fri Jun 14 1996 15:36 | 6 |
| today's numbers:
chicago 5 SEATTLE
over/under 190
game 5 odds: Chicago, 5:2
series odds: Chicago, 1:50,000 (dropping like a rock)
|
29.1106 | enquiring minds and all... | BSS::MENDEZ | | Fri Jun 14 1996 15:45 | 2 |
| is that todays ACTUAL numbers or RUMORED numbers???
|
29.1107 | neither; Danny Sheridan | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Fri Jun 14 1996 15:46 | 0 |
29.1108 | only 40 more days 'til football | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Mon Jun 17 1996 16:12 | 5 |
29.1109 | 1997 NBA odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Jun 19 1996 17:37 | 33 |
| It's never too early:
Odds against winning the 1997 championship NBA:
Bulls 6-5
Magic 3-1
Sonics 4-1
Spurs 6-1
Jazz 10-1
Lakers 12-1
Pacers 12-1
Rockets 12-1
Knicks 20-1
Heat 25-1
Cavaliers 30-1
Pistons 30-1
Suns 30-1
Trail Blazers 30-1
Hawks 40-1
Bullets 50-1
Kings 50-1
Hornets 60-1
Warriors 60-1
Nuggets 75-1
Bucks 100-1
Clippers 100-1
Mavericks 100-1
Nets 100-1
Timberwolves 125-1
Celtics 150-1
Raptors 150-1
76ers 200-1
Grizzlies 300-1
|
29.1110 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | It's Baseball And You're An American | Wed Jun 19 1996 18:08 | 7 |
| > Nets 100-1
> Timberwolves 125-1
>> Celtics 150-1
> Raptors 150-1
The ravaging of a once-proud franchise... the Timberpuppies are considered
a better bet...
|
29.1111 | and the Clippers, too | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Jun 19 1996 18:11 | 0 |
29.1112 | even the Nets!!!!!!!! | PECAD8::CHILDS | | Thu Jun 20 1996 10:41 | 9 |
| that's about the toughest sport's related bullet thrown my way in a long time...
Wow the team I went to sleep idolizing, listening to Most through the Russell
and Cousy years, Hondo and Cowens and crew, Larry, Chief, Max etc etc. This
being the dregs is tough. Atleast in 78 and 79 we could go to Garden and party
in the staircases to ease the pain. These days that's a no-no........
Shock us ML!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mike
|
29.1113 | not part of the solution | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu Jun 20 1996 14:06 | 4 |
| FWIW, you coulda had Cowens but ML keeps getting enough support to run
things and boy is he running things, right into the ground!~
TTom
|
29.1114 | boxing | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu Jun 20 1996 15:04 | 9 |
| some boxing on Saturday:
IBF Heavyweight Championship (vacant):
Michael Moorer 3:1 Axel Schultz
IBC Middlewwith Championship (vacant):
Hector Camacho 8:1 Roberto Duran
|
29.1115 | Wimbledon Men's Odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu Jun 20 1996 15:58 | 21 |
| Odds to win the 1996 Men's Singles Wimbledon Championship:
Pete Sampras 7-5
Boris Becker 4-1
Goran Ivanisevic 6-1
Yevgeny Kafelnikov 8-1
Andre Agassi 10-1
Michael Stich 10-1
Wayne Ferreira 15-1
Stefan Edberg 20-1
Jim Courier 30-1
Richard Krajicek 30-1
Thomas Enqvist 40-1
Michael Chang 40-1
Todd Martin 50-1
Magnus Larsson 50-1
Thomas Muster 50-1
Andrei Medvedev 50-1
Field* 15-1
* Includes all players not listed.
|
29.1116 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | | Thu Jun 20 1996 17:19 | 6 |
|
Speaking of boxing Riddick Bowe wants to bet Mike Tyson 100K.
Tyson would have to knockout Bruce Seldon in under 1:48 of the 1st
round. Which is the amount of time it took Bowe to knockout Seldon.
Ron
|
29.1117 | smore 97 NBA odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Fri Jun 21 1996 14:16 | 31 |
| Danny Sheridan's Odds against winning the 1997 championship NBA:
Chicago 1:1
Seattle 5:1
Orlando 8:1
LA Lakers 10:1
San Antonio 12:1
Houston 12:1
Utah 15:1
Indiana 20:1
Miami 30:1
New York 50:1
Phoenix 100:1
Charlotte 100:1
Portland 250:1
Detroit 500:1
Atlanta 750:1
Cleveland 1,000:1
Washington 5,000:1
Golden State 10,000:1
Denver 25,000:1
Boston 50,000:1
Dallas 75,000:1
Sacramento 100,000:1
Milwaukee 500,000:1
LA Clippers 1,000,000:1
New Jersey 5,000,000:1
Minnesota 10,000,000:1
Philadelphia 25,000,000:1
Toronto 50,000,000:1
Vancouver 100,000,000:1
|
29.1118 | some numbers | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Jul 03 1996 14:31 | 14 |
| Some Big Bob and D.E.C. odds and ends:
BP resigns:
BP resigns on the DVN today: 5-2
over/under on BP quiting: October 1, 1996
D.E.C. is sold to:
Microsoft 9-2
IBM 9-1
Apple 99-1
field 19-1
D.E.C. stock:
over/under on Monday opening 34.5
|
29.1119 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | watchman on the wall | Wed Jul 03 1996 17:26 | 7 |
29.1120 | MLB All Star game | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Mon Jul 08 1996 17:54 | 3 |
| All-Star Game
6:5 and pick 'em (pick a team; bet 6 to win 5)
|
29.1121 | MLB All Star over/under | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Tue Jul 09 1996 18:41 | 4 |
29.1122 | now for a real sport | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Jul 10 1996 14:11 | 6 |
29.1123 | some boxing tonight | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu Jul 11 1996 14:30 | 3 |
| Boxing tonite:
Riddick Bowe 15:1 Andrew Golota
|
29.1124 | College Football | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Fri Jul 12 1996 16:05 | 12 |
29.1125 | positive tests over/under | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Mon Jul 15 1996 19:23 | 9 |
29.1126 | take the over! | PECAD8::CHILDS | | Tue Jul 16 1996 11:16 | 0 |
29.1127 | pre-season NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Tue Jul 30 1996 15:47 | 20 |
29.1128 | now that's a line | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Tue Jul 30 1996 15:48 | 5 |
| honest to goodness, printed in the USA Today:
Dream Team 44 Brazil
|
29.1129 | T&F odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Tue Jul 30 1996 16:04 | 13 |
| A little late but i just found it:
Odds on Michael Johnsons 200/400 Double
Wins two gold medals 1-4
Wins one gold and one silver 5-2
Wins two silver medals 15-1
Any other result 5-1
Donavan Bailey went off at 6-1.
Allan Johnson was even.
TTom
|
29.1130 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove. | Wed Jul 31 1996 16:38 | 10 |
|
>> Dream Team 44 Brazil
Given the median age of the guys on the DT, you had to know that
they weren't going to purposely embarass anybody. Hell, they even
let Angola salvage a little dignity. It's when I see betting lines
like the one above that I wish I was in Vegas.
|
29.1131 | let me know | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Jul 31 1996 16:47 | 9 |
| Tommy,
I'm headed to Vegas October 24. It's just afore NHL and NBA so they got
those season long bets. It's also the week of the Breeder's Cup which
IMHO is the bestest horse betting event of the year.
Let me know if'n you wanna get in on something.
TTom
|
29.1132 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove. | Wed Jul 31 1996 17:00 | 10 |
|
/don and a few other folks are heading out there in early
November. I'd like to make the trip to bet some NFL games
legally but with the new kid, it's far from a certainty that
I'll be able to make it. I agree with you about the Breeder's
Cup though I haven't made any money on it. I *have* had the
winners in both the Belmont and Preakness legs of the triple
crown for the last three years as /don can attest. Can't pick
the Kentucky Derby to save my life though.
|
29.1133 | good times | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Jul 31 1996 17:12 | 8 |
| I've been lucky with the horses playing the jockeys. Also, I know some
people who actually know how to read the Racing Forum and are able to get
some good info outta it.
The Breeder's is actually a two-day event where Friday is as much fun as
Saturday. Unlike the Derby, etc., there's not just one main event.
TTom
|
29.1134 | another shot, Tommy | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu Aug 01 1996 14:06 | 2 |
|
Dream Team 34 Australia
|
29.1135 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove. | Fri Aug 02 1996 13:59 | 20 |
|
Given the veteran makeup of the DT, they're content to build a
25-30 point lead and just cruise. I'd conisder anything over
30 points a good betting proposition.
<<< CAM::$1$DUA5:[NOTES$LIBRARY]SPORTS.NOTE;1 >>>
-< SPORTS >-
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Note 29.1134 The Line 1134 of 1134
HBAHBA::HAAS "more madness, less horror" 2 lines 1-AUG-1996 10:06
-< another shot, Tommy >-
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Dream Team 34 Australia
|
29.1136 | another winner!~ | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Fri Aug 02 1996 14:20 | 5 |
| Another winner fer Tommy: DT 101, Australia 73.
Taking the 30 pays again.
TTom
|
29.1137 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | I need somebody to shove. | Fri Aug 02 1996 16:12 | 5 |
|
BTW - that Shane Heal for Australia has to have interested
at least one NBA scout. In both games against the US
he's forced Stockton to really work to keep up and
Stockton hasn't always been able.
|
29.1138 | who can't do basic math... | AKEEM::GRONOWSKI | | Fri Aug 02 1996 17:23 | 3 |
|
Yeah sure, Tommy is a prognasticator extrordinare... picking the winner
with the spread after the game.
|
29.1139 | NFL preseason week the nexted | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Tue Aug 06 1996 15:26 | 24 |
29.1140 | Early College | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Tue Aug 06 1996 15:28 | 6 |
29.1141 | preseason updated | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Aug 07 1996 15:33 | 24 |
29.1142 | preseason week the nexted | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Tue Aug 13 1996 14:27 | 24 |
29.1143 | current MLB odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Fri Aug 16 1996 17:53 | 43 |
| for those that are interested in this kinda thing:
Baseball's races wide open as season enters stretch run
LAS VEGAS, Nev.-As Major League Baseball heads into the final quarter
of its 1996 season, 15 of the League's 28 teams still have a realistic
shot at post-season play. In the American League, New York (East) and
Cleveland (Central) appear headed to division titles while Texas holds
a less secure lead over Seattle in the West. Chicago has the best
chance at the circuit's one wild card, though Baltimore is in the
hunt, too.
The National League is far more contentious. San Diego, Colorado and
Los Angeles are in a tight struggle in the West with Houston, St.
Louis, Cincinnati and Chicago still battling in the Central. Atlanta
has some breathing room in the East, but Montreal, while unlikely to
catch the Braves, nevertheless boasts the second best record in the
National League and could cash in on a playoff wild card.
The survival into August of so many teams with playoff aspirations is
good news for Nevada's licensed bookmakers. The tight races not only
create interest, which drives up handle, but also guarantee that many
games will remain competitive right to season's end.
Here are opening and current odds to win the World Series for the 15
top contenders:
Team Open Current
Atlanta 5-1 5-2
Baltimore 15-1 40-1
Cincinnati 8-1 25-1
Chicago Cubs 30-1 100-1
Chicago White Sox 15-1 18-1
Cleveland 6-1 3-1
Colorado 15-1 20-1
Houston 18-1 12-1
L.A. Dodgers 12-1 15-1
Montreal 35-1 20-1
N.Y. Yankees 8-1 3-1
St. Louis 60-1 15-1
San Diego 35-1 15-1
Seattle 15-1 12-1
Texas 25-1 12-1
|
29.1144 | preseason the lasted | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Aug 21 1996 13:53 | 20 |
29.1145 | over/unders | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Aug 21 1996 19:18 | 20 |
29.1146 | college kickoffs | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu Aug 22 1996 15:50 | 7 |
29.1147 | What time is Penn St./USC game.... | PECAD8::CHILDS | | Thu Aug 22 1996 16:27 | 6 |
| that's one worth watching. what channel to please. My body's here my mind's
on vacation....
thanks
mc
|
29.1148 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Donnie Baseball Yankee HOFer!!! | Thu Aug 22 1996 16:29 | 3 |
|
Wheres Jimbo??? I wanna know how much cereal to put on Texas A&M??
|
29.1149 | NCAA Football odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Mon Aug 26 1996 15:29 | 35 |
| Odds against winning the NCAA Football Chamipionship:
Florida St 3:1
Nebraska 3:1
Notre Dame 5:1
Florida 5:1
Tennessee 5:1
Colorado 8:1
Alabama 10:1
Ohio St 20:1
Syracuse 20:1
Miami-FL 50:1
Va Tech 50:1
Texas A&M 50:1 (*)
Penn St 50:1 (*)
Wisconsin 100:1
Kansas St 250:1
Southern Cal 250:1 (*)
Northwestern 500:1
Georgia 600:1
LSU 600:1
Arizona St 700:1
Auburn 800:1
Michigan 1,000:1
Oregon 2,000:1
Utah 3,000:1
Miami-OH 5,000:1
Washington 5,000:1
Virginia 6,000:1
Texas 6,000:1
Kansas 7,500:1
Iowa 9,000:1
Field 1,000:1
(*) presumably, these were the odds afore the kickoff games.
|
29.1150 | NFL Week 1 | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Tue Aug 27 1996 12:49 | 18 |
29.1151 | and some genuine College football | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Tue Aug 27 1996 15:07 | 19 |
29.1152 | NFL over/under | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu Aug 29 1996 14:17 | 18 |
29.1153 | Go Golden Flash!!!! | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Donnie Baseball Yankee HOFer!!! | Thu Aug 29 1996 19:02 | 5 |
|
Saturday:
MIAMI OH 25 Kent
|
29.1154 | 'boys' stock plummeting with injuries, etc. | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | Hardball, good ol' country | Fri Aug 30 1996 13:42 | 39 |
|
Season-opening Super Bowl odds. Question: why do the Colts get so
little respect? Are they perceived to have screwed up a pretty solid
team from last year, for some reason?
NFL Super Bowl XXXI (updated August 27)
49ers 9-5
Packers 5-2
Cowboys 5-1
Bills 10-1
Dolphins 10-1
Raiders 12-1
Steelers 12-1
Chiefs 15-1
Patriots 15-1
Chargers 20-1
Lions 20-1
Bears 30-1
Broncos 30-1
Eagles 30-1
Colts 30-1
Ravens 35-1
Falcons 40-1
Bengals 45-1
Redskins 50-1
Vikings 50-1
Oilers 80-1
Rams 80-1
Giants 100-1
Jets 100-1
Panthers 100-1
Seahawks 100-1
Buccaneers 150-1
Jaguars 150-1
Saints 150-1
Cardinals 200-1
|
29.1155 | still thinking the Boys | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Fri Aug 30 1996 13:45 | 8 |
| When Green Bay beats Dallas, I'll jump on their bandwagon.
Until then, the Boys are still the reigning champs. The NFC East is
pretty lame nowadays with the Eagles about the onliest threat.
NFC central will beat themselves up again. San Fran continues to slip.
TTom
|
29.1156 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Violently apathetic | Fri Aug 30 1996 14:05 | 3 |
|
The Colts cut loose Ted Marchibroda after he brought them to
the brink of making the SB. More Irsay stupidity.
|
29.1157 | sorta the NFL week 2 line | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Sep 04 1996 14:17 | 20 |
29.1158 | | OLD1S::CADZILLA2 | Are you a Turtle? | Wed Sep 04 1996 15:02 | 2 |
| Is this made up or what. Yesterdays local rag has Dallas and 12 against the
Giants.
|
29.1159 | yeppir | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Sep 04 1996 15:09 | 9 |
| > Is this made up or what. Yesterdays local rag has Dallas and 12 against the
> Giants.
That'd be one way of putting it. How bout "local lines" like very local,
like HBAHBA::POOL lines.
All three of 'em with a_asterisk are pure figment.
TTom
|
29.1160 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | | Wed Sep 04 1996 15:40 | 10 |
|
Vegas won't let you bet on the game until they know if Emmitt
will play or not. Emmitt was released from the hospital yesterday
and was wearing a neck brace when he boarded a private plane, to go
back to Dallas. Emmitt says he plans on playing Sunday, but I have
my doubts. When he landed on his head/shoulder he lost feeling in
his arms for a couple of seconds. So he gave is spinal cord a little
jolt.
Ron
|
29.1161 | vegas, schmegas | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Sep 04 1996 15:41 | 3 |
| Vegas can do what it wants to but we got us a POOL to run.
No line means no pool so something had to give...
|
29.1162 | real college football | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Sep 04 1996 17:17 | 31 |
29.1163 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Wed Sep 04 1996 17:38 | 14 |
| > my doubts. When he landed on his head/shoulder he lost feeling in
> his arms for a couple of seconds. So he gave is spinal cord a little
> jolt.
It's called a stinger, and I've gotten them before. They can be really bad
(like so bad you keep getting spasms for the next week) or they can be less
bad, more of an annoyance than anything else.
If it's the former, rather than the latter, look for him to be walking the
sidelines in street clothes.
'Saw
|
29.1164 | GO GOLDEN FLASHES!!!! | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Donnie Baseball Yankee HOFer!!! | Wed Sep 04 1996 17:42 | 3 |
|
PITTSBURGH 29 1/2 KENT U
|
29.1165 | Tyson-Seldon odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Sep 04 1996 19:53 | 45 |
|
Tyson huge favorite to capture WBA title
LAS VEGAS, Nev.-According to most boxing experts--and just about
anyone else with a $5 bill burning a hole in their Levis--come
Saturday night at the MGM Grand Hotel in Las Vegas, Mike Tyson will
relieve Bruce Seldon of his WBA title, if not his senses. Tyson (44-1,
38 KOs), the WBC champion, is an overwhelming -2000 favorite (bet
$2,000 to win $100), over Seldon (33-3, 29 KOs), the +1400 underdog
(bet $100 to win $1,400). The 12-rounder, which was postponed from its
original July 13 date when Tyson contracted bronchitis, opened
-1800/+1200, but the early money has been on Tyson.
In addition to head-to-head betting, there's also a "will go/won't go"
proposition on the fight. Players lay 6-5 (-120) either way that the
bout will or won't go one minute, 30 seconds into the fourth round.
As befits the championship showdown, there are several other ways to
bet the fight as well:
How will it end?
Tyson by KO* 1-9
Tyson by decision 3-1
Seldon by KO* 20-1
Seldon by decision 22-1
12 round draw 100-1
*KO = KO, TKO, and disqualification.
Pick the round*
Tyson Round Seldon
4-1 1 50-1
4-1 2 50-1
9-2 3 50-1
6-1 4 50-1
7-1 5 50-1
8-1 6 60-1
10-1 7 60-1
12-1 8 60-1
15-1 9 75-1
15-1 10 75-1
20-1 11 75-1
20-1 12 60-1
*If fight ends in a decision or a draw, bettor loses.
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29.1166 | | PECAD8::CHILDS | Dan Reeves - one bad stud | Thu Sep 05 1996 10:29 | 3 |
| those odds look to good for Don to pass up, Tyson takes a dive in five......
mc
|
29.1167 | nfl update over/unders | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu Sep 05 1996 14:07 | 18 |
29.1168 | | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Thu Sep 05 1996 14:26 | 4 |
| Ttom you did pretty good on KC (right on) and Atlanta (I think yours
was more accurate). You underestimate the betting public's romance
with the 'boys. Giants ran on them last time.
|
29.1169 | tails | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu Sep 05 1996 14:29 | 9 |
| For the Boys, I flipped a coin on whether Emmitt would play. I forgot
that despite the fack that he's in traction with a neck brace, he'd
prolly play.
> Giants ran on them last time.
I agree. They may still be in trouble.
TTom
|
29.1170 | compulsive gambling article | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu Sep 05 1996 14:50 | 57 |
|
Compulsive gambling a genetic disorder?
September 5, 1996
Wed posted at: 4:35 a.m. EDT
From Correspondent Lisa Price
CHICAGO (CNN) -- A widely held theory that people may actually
become addicted to gambling may now be more than speculation.
New scientific research released Tuesday at a meeting in Chicago
reveals that compulsive gambling may in fact be genetically
founded.
"Prior to today, we just go in and explain the signs, the symptoms,
the progression," said Christopher Anderson of the Illinois Council
on Problem and Compulsive Gambling. "This just underscores what
we've been saying with sound, scientific, tangible evidence. In
other words -- here's a snapshot of this illness."
The research suggests compulsive gamblers share a gene that
predisposes them to addictive behavior.
"Environmental factors are important, psychological factors are
important. It's a complex disorder. But genes also play a role and
this is one of the genes," said Dr. David Comings of the City of
Hope National Medical Center.
The gene is called the D-2 receptor. In some people, it can be
stimulated by alcohol, drugs, sex, food -- or lots of gambling.
"I think recognizing that there is some kind of physical link to
what happens to these individuals helps to put it into a framework.
We're no longer talking about a moral judgment. We're no longer
talking about right or wrong. We're talking legitimately about a
treatable disorder," said Carol O'Hare, a recovering compulsive
gambler.
The research is important because as the number of casinos and
other betting venues soar, experts expect the number of problem
gamblers to increase. According to the Council on Compulsive
Gambling, 70 to 75 percent of those who play games of chance do so
to a normal degree, 15 to 20 percent go beyond that and 5 to 8
percent become compulsive.
Arnie Wexler, a recovering compulsive gambler, puts the numbers in
human terms:
"I started gambling when I was seven or eight years old, and was
shooting marbles in the street, pitching pennies, flipping baseball
cards. At 14, it was racetracks, casinos and the stock market. At
17, I already stole to support my gambling addiction," Wexler said.
But even with the new study, researchers say identifying and
treating the victims of this growing addition --where the drug of
choice is money -- will be an awesome task.
|
29.1171 | I bet the study is wrong... | IMBETR::DUPREZ | It's Baseball And You're An American | Thu Sep 05 1996 14:54 | 0 |
29.1172 | Pitt will have a hard time with Temple also | PTOSS1::SCHRAMME | Eric Schramm (412)829-0710 | Thu Sep 05 1996 16:14 | 5 |
| >> PITTSBURGH 29 1/2 KENT U
The way PITT looked against WVU this past saturday - Kent + points
should be a pretty safe bet.
|
29.1173 | Roland's a carrier... | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | The Steelers really need Scott Zolak | Thu Sep 05 1996 17:37 | 1 |
|
|
29.1174 | Go Golden Flashes!!!!!!!!!!!!! | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Donnie Baseball Yankee HOFer!!! | Thu Sep 05 1996 19:19 | 8 |
|
Only room for one of us on the Kent U, bandwagon. So you guys stay
off!!
Chap
|
29.1175 | NFL Week 3 | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Tue Sep 10 1996 16:15 | 16 |
29.1176 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Tue Sep 10 1996 16:16 | 43 |
29.1177 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Tue Sep 10 1996 17:06 | 5 |
29.1178 | could be | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Tue Sep 10 1996 17:06 | 6 |
| send comments and inquiries to Danny Sheridan ;-)
Basically, this says that the Skins are the slightly better team since
the Giants get around 3 1/2 for the home court.
TTom
|
29.1179 | odds and ends | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Sep 11 1996 15:24 | 34 |
|
Action on college football on par with NFL
LAS VEGAS, Nev.-College football usually assumes second string status
to the NFL until the big bowl games, but action was furious enough on
campuses Saturday that the student-athletes (not to mention the people
who wagered on them), get top billing this week.
The weekend's biggest game was the television encounter between
Tennessee, with its all-galaxy quarterback Peyton Manning, and UCLA.
Bettors figured Manning would manhandle the Bruins who, unlike the
Vols, had not played a game this season. The line moved from -16 1/2
to -20 1/2 on Tennessee but though the Vols won, 35-20, they failed to
cover.
Players also liked the favorites in two other games with mixed
results. First, they pushed Ohio State from -25 to -28 against Rice.
No tense moments here as the Buckeyes put the Owls on the endangered
species list, 70-7. Players didn't do so well taking Oklahoma from a 7
to a 9 1/2 point favorite against TCU, however. The Sooners were
beaten outright, 20-7.
The one major underdog played by the public was North Carolina, which
dropped from + 4 1/2 to +3 against Syracuse. The Tar Heels won
comfortably, 27-10, a victory that showed up on parlay card after
parlay card, Saturday.
Smart players don't always take sides in a fair fight, instead opting
for the total. They obviously knew what they were doing Saturday,
hitting a perfect 5-for-5 on over/unders. The players, most of them
well-known professional bettors, enjoyed significant success with
Colorado-Colorado State and Arizona State-Washington on the over,
while adding North Carolina-Syracuse, Utah-Stanford, and
Tennessee-UCLA to their credentials as under bettors.
|
29.1180 | | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Wed Sep 11 1996 17:21 | 12 |
| Betting stories have about as much credibility as fishing stories.
There surely is a lot of money floating around and college betting has
always been considered by inside losers as an insiders betting game.
Another way of saying same is they think it's more legit than pro and I
do think the deltas (difference between final result and betting line)
are greater in college. Also bettors want that abominable instant
replay back in the pros as if it would make any difference in a sport
where holding occurs on every play.
If you bet always assume the game is fixed and the opposite is the
exception.
|
29.1181 | let a guy know | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Sep 11 1996 17:24 | 7 |
| > If you bet always assume the game is fixed and the opposite is the
> exception.
Now, there's a rosy outlook on life.
I don't really care if'n it's all fixed or not. I just want to be in on
the fix when it does happen.
|
29.1182 | NFL update and over/unders | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu Sep 12 1996 17:17 | 16 |
29.1183 | | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Wed Sep 18 1996 14:01 | 49 |
29.1184 | | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Wed Sep 18 1996 14:36 | 2 |
29.1185 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Violently apathetic | Wed Sep 18 1996 14:48 | 13 |
29.1186 | Do the math, Tommy... | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Wed Sep 18 1996 15:02 | 16 |
29.1187 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Violently apathetic | Wed Sep 18 1996 15:47 | 9 |
29.1188 | I'm no Ttom... | SHARE::DERRY | Color me impressed... | Thu Sep 19 1996 11:56 | 18 |
29.1189 | | SHARE::DERRY | Color me impressed... | Wed Sep 25 1996 16:52 | 21 |
29.1190 | finally back | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Oct 02 1996 19:16 | 15 |
29.1191 | and some college | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Wed Oct 02 1996 19:55 | 49 |
29.1192 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Donnie Baseball Yankee HOFer!!! | Wed Oct 02 1996 20:12 | 8 |
29.1193 | | ROCK::HUBER | From Seneca to Cuyahoga Falls | Wed Oct 02 1996 20:23 | 5 |
29.1194 | update NFL and over/unders | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Thu Oct 03 1996 14:29 | 15 |
29.1195 | prolly no one interested, but ... | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Fri Oct 04 1996 14:37 | 15 |
29.1196 | hokey | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Fri Oct 04 1996 14:40 | 11 |
29.1197 | | SHARE::DERRY | Color me impressed... | Fri Oct 04 1996 14:57 | 1 |
29.1198 | gettin' it on? | HBAHBA::HAAS | more madness, less horror | Fri Oct 04 1996 15:13 | 1 |
29.1199 | MLB | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round (Racing). | Mon Oct 07 1996 16:06 | 16 |
29.1200 | Braves a little pricey | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Mon Oct 07 1996 17:31 | 4 |
29.1201 | NFL Week 7 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Tue Oct 08 1996 14:40 | 16 |
29.1202 | and a l'il college | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Tue Oct 08 1996 14:59 | 50 |
29.1203 | Terps sip this year | ODIXIE::ZOGRAN | Bravos all the way! | Tue Oct 08 1996 15:08 | 9 |
29.1204 | Go golden Flashes | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Donnie Baseball Yankee HOFer!!! | Tue Oct 08 1996 15:15 | 3 |
29.1205 | hokey | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Tue Oct 08 1996 17:52 | 16 |
29.1206 | MLB odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Wed Oct 09 1996 14:58 | 39 |
29.1207 | MLB tonight | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Wed Oct 09 1996 15:02 | 6 |
29.1208 | | PECAD8::CHILDS | | Wed Oct 09 1996 15:08 | 1 |
29.1209 | MLB | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Thu Oct 10 1996 14:06 | 7 |
29.1210 | College Football update | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Thu Oct 10 1996 14:12 | 11 |
29.1211 | MLB | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Fri Oct 11 1996 13:48 | 6 |
29.1212 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Fri Oct 11 1996 13:57 | 19 |
29.1213 | NFL update, over/under | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Fri Oct 11 1996 14:05 | 16 |
29.1214 | | MKOTS3::BREEN | You're not so hot, but I've got you on my mind | Fri Oct 11 1996 14:30 | 7 |
29.1215 | | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Fri Oct 11 1996 14:38 | 10 |
29.1216 | here it be | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Fri Oct 11 1996 15:33 | 16 |
29.1217 | fyi - for entertainment purposes only | PHXSS1::HEISER | maranatha! | Fri Oct 11 1996 16:30 | 13 |
29.1218 | ex | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Ben Coates the Princess of TE's | Fri Oct 11 1996 16:41 | 5 |
29.1219 | don't pick the Thursday night game!~ | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Fri Oct 11 1996 16:44 | 0 |
29.1220 | | ROCK::GRONOWSKI | | Fri Oct 11 1996 16:53 | 2 |
29.1221 | | PECAD8::CHILDS | | Fri Oct 11 1996 17:07 | 1 |
29.1222 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Ben Coates the Princess of TE's | Fri Oct 11 1996 17:23 | 4 |
29.1223 | | MKOTS3::BREEN | You're not so hot, but I've got you on my mind | Fri Oct 11 1996 17:51 | 11 |
29.1224 | theory | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Fri Oct 11 1996 18:05 | 19 |
29.1225 | Thank God you don't bet baseball | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Fri Oct 11 1996 18:56 | 18 |
29.1226 | Billte is right (for once ;-) | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Fri Oct 11 1996 18:57 | 25 |
29.1227 | whatever | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Fri Oct 11 1996 19:04 | 15 |
29.1228 | | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Fri Oct 11 1996 19:13 | 17 |
29.1229 | | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Fri Oct 11 1996 19:46 | 14 |
29.1230 | Week 8 line | SHARE::DERRY | Color me impressed... | Tue Oct 15 1996 12:00 | 25 |
29.1231 | MLB WS | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Mon Oct 21 1996 20:13 | 7 |
29.1232 | pro style football | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Tue Oct 22 1996 14:12 | 19 |
29.1233 | and some college | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Tue Oct 22 1996 14:13 | 46 |
29.1234 | maybe some MLB | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Tue Oct 22 1996 15:03 | 35 |
29.1235 | | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Tue Oct 22 1996 15:25 | 6 |
29.1236 | | CHEFS::7A1_GRN | The Prodigal son returns | Tue Oct 22 1996 15:26 | 4 |
29.1237 | I'm buying... | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Tue Oct 22 1996 15:39 | 17 |
29.1238 | love them over/unders | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Tue Oct 22 1996 15:49 | 20 |
29.1239 | | NQOS01::nqsrv309.nqo.dec.com::Workbench | | Tue Oct 22 1996 15:56 | 4 |
29.1240 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Tue Oct 22 1996 16:03 | 10 |
29.1241 | that other bet thingee | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Tue Oct 22 1996 16:07 | 18 |
29.1242 | Multiple approaches... | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Tue Oct 22 1996 16:23 | 12 |
29.1243 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | A great face for radio... | Tue Oct 22 1996 16:38 | 13 |
29.1244 | wild one | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Tue Oct 22 1996 16:43 | 22 |
29.1245 | another fine lesson? | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Tue Oct 22 1996 16:45 | 4 |
29.1246 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | A great face for radio... | Tue Oct 22 1996 17:48 | 5 |
29.1247 | | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Tue Oct 22 1996 17:52 | 9 |
29.1248 | punks run in the family? | ODIXIE::ZOGRAN | Bravos all the way! | Tue Oct 22 1996 17:59 | 1 |
29.1249 | early on | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Tue Oct 22 1996 18:07 | 21 |
29.1250 | | IMBETR::DUPREZ | A great face for radio... | Tue Oct 22 1996 19:08 | 16 |
29.1251 | better'n some things | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Wed Oct 23 1996 14:15 | 19 |
29.1252 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Donnie Baseball Yankee HOFer!!! | Wed Oct 23 1996 14:48 | 17 |
29.1253 | diffrent event | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Wed Oct 23 1996 15:02 | 8 |
29.1254 | :-) | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | Donnie Baseball Yankee HOFer!!! | Wed Oct 23 1996 15:37 | 9 |
29.1255 | Al DeRogadis - unlikely past pro footballer but true | MKOTS3::BREEN | | Wed Oct 23 1996 15:49 | 7 |
29.1256 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Wed Oct 23 1996 15:53 | 14 |
29.1257 | Biggest Oakland Raider apologist ever, Al DeRo... | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Wed Oct 23 1996 16:33 | 8 |
29.1258 | baseball numbers | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Wed Oct 23 1996 17:37 | 5 |
29.1259 | Updated NFL, over/under | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Wed Oct 23 1996 18:06 | 17 |
29.1260 | Breeder's Cup!~ | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Wed Oct 23 1996 18:32 | 16 |
29.1261 | some college stuff | HBAHBA::HAAS | Not A Sane Chap Anywhere 'Round | Wed Oct 23 1996 18:33 | 33 |
29.1262 | Line for Week 10 ! Good luck, KOHers! | SHARE::DERRY | Color me impressed... | Wed Oct 30 1996 14:02 | 21 |
29.1263 | NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Tue Nov 05 1996 14:55 | 18 |
29.1264 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Tue Nov 05 1996 14:55 | 51 |
29.1265 | NBA odds and over/unders | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Tue Nov 05 1996 15:23 | 32 |
29.1266 | Hokey odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Tue Nov 05 1996 15:33 | 29 |
29.1267 | Tyson-Holyfield | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Wed Nov 06 1996 13:50 | 42 |
29.1268 | NFL over/under | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Thu Nov 07 1996 14:05 | 18 |
29.1269 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Fri Nov 08 1996 14:45 | 20 |
29.1270 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Mon Nov 11 1996 15:08 | 5 |
29.1271 | da NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Tue Nov 12 1996 13:27 | 18 |
29.1272 | da college | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Tue Nov 12 1996 13:27 | 46 |
29.1273 | NFL update, over/under | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Fri Nov 15 1996 11:46 | 18 |
29.1274 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Fri Nov 15 1996 11:54 | 11 |
29.1275 | real live honest to gawd college hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Fri Nov 15 1996 11:57 | 4 |
29.1276 | 'Cats may win, but it'll be close | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | Welcome back, NBA! | Fri Nov 15 1996 14:06 | 5 |
29.1277 | NFL as such | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Tue Nov 19 1996 14:05 | 18 |
29.1278 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Tue Nov 19 1996 15:31 | 9 |
29.1279 | NFL update, over/under | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Wed Nov 20 1996 13:00 | 18 |
29.1280 | College Football | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Wed Nov 20 1996 13:03 | 40 |
29.1281 | Grey Cup | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Wed Nov 20 1996 13:08 | 5 |
29.1282 | | MKOTS3::BREEN | Sans Doute | Wed Nov 20 1996 13:57 | 7 |
29.1283 | NIT | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Fri Nov 22 1996 12:53 | 5 |
29.1284 | College by conf. | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Fri Nov 22 1996 13:21 | 63 |
29.1285 | and a little NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Fri Nov 22 1996 15:25 | 5 |
29.1286 | Vs Arizona I believe | MKOTS3::BREEN | Sans Doute | Fri Nov 22 1996 17:48 | 3 |
29.1287 | yes | PECAD8::CHILDS | | Fri Nov 22 1996 18:34 | 0 |
29.1288 | | SHARE::DERRY | Color me impressed... | Mon Nov 25 1996 14:50 | 1 |
29.1289 | early NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Mon Nov 25 1996 14:53 | 20 |
29.1290 | Early College | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Mon Nov 25 1996 15:04 | 19 |
29.1291 | Westy thanks you. | SHARE::DERRY | Color me impressed... | Mon Nov 25 1996 15:04 | 1 |
29.1292 | Kreskin strikes again | ODIXIE::ZOGRAN | No directions needed | Mon Nov 25 1996 15:05 | 4 |
29.1293 | yep, fer y'all | HBAHBA::HAAS | but the reply came from Anchorage | Mon Nov 25 1996 15:12 | 6 |
29.1294 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | | Mon Nov 25 1996 15:17 | 5 |
29.1295 | MNF | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Mon Dec 02 1996 15:40 | 5 |
29.1296 | NFL Week 15 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Tue Dec 03 1996 14:09 | 20 |
29.1297 | College the lasted week | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Tue Dec 03 1996 14:10 | 11 |
29.1298 | Great 8 update | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Tue Dec 03 1996 15:56 | 7 |
29.1299 | Great 8 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Wed Dec 04 1996 12:56 | 7 |
29.1300 | College with over/unders | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Wed Dec 04 1996 13:02 | 15 |
29.1301 | bunch of bettin stuff | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Wed Dec 04 1996 13:04 | 154 |
29.1302 | NFL Update, over/unders | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Thu Dec 05 1996 14:37 | 20 |
29.1303 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Thu Dec 05 1996 15:12 | 6 |
29.1304 | confusing hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Fri Dec 06 1996 13:58 | 7 |
29.1305 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Fri Dec 06 1996 15:06 | 10 |
29.1306 | MNF | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Mon Dec 09 1996 15:33 | 3 |
29.1307 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Mon Dec 09 1996 15:34 | 6 |
29.1308 | NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Tue Dec 10 1996 12:45 | 20 |
29.1309 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Tue Dec 10 1996 14:19 | 12 |
29.1310 | College hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Tue Dec 10 1996 17:18 | 12 |
29.1311 | Nexted Annual Bowl Contest | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Wed Dec 11 1996 12:52 | 21 |
29.1312 | NFL Update, over/unders | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Fri Dec 13 1996 16:35 | 20 |
29.1313 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Fri Dec 13 1996 16:41 | 9 |
29.1314 | bowls update, over/unders | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Mon Dec 16 1996 15:04 | 18 |
29.1315 | MNF | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Mon Dec 16 1996 17:44 | 6 |
29.1316 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Mon Dec 16 1996 17:44 | 6 |
29.1317 | NFL Week the lasted | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Tue Dec 17 1996 13:28 | 20 |
29.1318 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Tue Dec 17 1996 15:43 | 9 |
29.1319 | Hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Wed Dec 18 1996 15:32 | 19 |
29.1320 | NFL update and over/unders | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Thu Dec 19 1996 15:01 | 23 |
29.1321 | hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Thu Dec 19 1996 15:09 | 18 |
29.1322 | Las Vegas Bowl | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Thu Dec 19 1996 15:10 | 5 |
29.1323 | | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Thu Dec 19 1996 16:58 | 21 |
29.1324 | then again what do I know about horses | MKOTS3::BREEN | Sans Doute | Thu Dec 19 1996 17:55 | 5 |
29.1325 | | MKOTS3::taydhcp-23-144-12.tay.dec.com::Long | taxation without representation | Mon Dec 23 1996 13:04 | 6 |
29.1326 | NFL Wildcard, over/unders | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Thu Dec 26 1996 13:55 | 7 |
29.1327 | Bowl update | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Thu Dec 26 1996 13:55 | 17 |
29.1328 | SuperBowl updated odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Thu Dec 26 1996 13:57 | 17 |
29.1329 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Just cover, baby! | Thu Dec 26 1996 14:25 | 6 |
29.1330 | unfortunately, no | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Thu Dec 26 1996 14:29 | 8 |
29.1331 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Thu Dec 26 1996 16:22 | 12 |
29.1332 | Weekend Bowls | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Fri Dec 27 1996 13:39 | 12 |
29.1333 | hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Fri Dec 27 1996 14:18 | 10 |
29.1334 | updated Super Bowl odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Mon Dec 30 1996 15:07 | 10 |
29.1335 | Holiday Bowl | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Mon Dec 30 1996 15:11 | 4 |
29.1336 | college hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Mon Dec 30 1996 15:32 | 33 |
29.1337 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Mon Dec 30 1996 17:29 | 11 |
29.1338 | early SB line | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Mon Dec 30 1996 18:05 | 5 |
29.1339 | get your money down | ODIXIE::ZOGRAN | No directions needed | Mon Dec 30 1996 18:31 | 5 |
29.1340 | Divisionals, over/unders | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Tue Dec 31 1996 14:38 | 7 |
29.1341 | bowl updates | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Tue Dec 31 1996 14:53 | 12 |
29.1342 | Sugar Bowl | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Thu Jan 02 1997 14:46 | 3 |
29.1343 | NFL | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Thu Jan 02 1997 14:47 | 7 |
29.1344 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Thu Jan 02 1997 17:03 | 11 |
29.1345 | Super odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Fri Jan 03 1997 13:56 | 22 |
29.1346 | and a l'il NB&A | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Fri Jan 03 1997 14:40 | 9 |
29.1347 | hey, a guy can dream can't he | MKOTS3::16.23.144.11::Long | taxation without representation | Fri Jan 03 1997 14:42 | 6 |
29.1348 | dream boy II | HBAHBA::HAAS | Thank ya just a whole lot. | Fri Jan 03 1997 14:49 | 5 |
29.1349 | | MKOTS3::taydhcp-23-144-12.tay.dec.com::Long | taxation without representation | Fri Jan 03 1997 14:53 | 7 |
29.1350 | early NFL line and odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | Expansion Boy | Mon Jan 06 1997 14:43 | 10 |
29.1351 | early over/unders | HBAHBA::HAAS | Expansion Boy | Mon Jan 06 1997 15:13 | 4 |
29.1352 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Expansion Boy | Mon Jan 06 1997 15:19 | 4 |
29.1353 | NFL Conferences | HBAHBA::HAAS | Expansion Boy | Tue Jan 07 1997 13:48 | 3 |
29.1354 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Expansion Boy | Tue Jan 07 1997 16:36 | 11 |
29.1355 | NFL over/unders | HBAHBA::HAAS | Expansion Boy | Tue Jan 07 1997 16:59 | 3 |
29.1356 | college hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | Expansion Boy | Tue Jan 07 1997 17:03 | 13 |
29.1357 | How the mighty have fallen | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | Bruiserball! | Tue Jan 07 1997 17:11 | 3 |
29.1358 | Where are Joe & Sean? | IMINMK::SILVESTRI | Penuts Gang turns 10 in 1997! | Tue Jan 07 1997 17:20 | 8 |
29.1359 | double checked | HBAHBA::HAAS | Expansion Boy | Tue Jan 07 1997 17:20 | 5 |
29.1360 | | BIGQ::MCKAY | | Tue Jan 07 1997 18:17 | 3 |
29.1361 | | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | NEW YORK YANKEES WORLD CHAMPS | Tue Jan 07 1997 18:26 | 9 |
29.1362 | | WONDER::REILLY | Sean Reilly, Alpha Servers, DTN 223-4375 | Tue Jan 07 1997 20:01 | 4 |
29.1363 | WAY | FABSIX::R_LUCHT | "Ten Feet Tall and Bulletproof" | Wed Jan 08 1997 04:46 | 4 |
29.1364 | | WONDER::REILLY | Sean Reilly, Alpha Servers, DTN 223-4375 | Wed Jan 08 1997 10:04 | 10 |
29.1365 | dogs and cats living together... | IMBETR::DUPREZ | A great face for radio... | Wed Jan 08 1997 11:18 | 2 |
29.1366 | | BIGQ::MCKAY | | Wed Jan 08 1997 11:48 | 8 |
29.1367 | clemson beat duke, too, to boot | HBAHBA::HAAS | Expansion Boy | Wed Jan 08 1997 12:00 | 0 |
29.1368 | NFL update | HBAHBA::HAAS | Expansion Boy | Wed Jan 08 1997 12:13 | 17 |
29.1369 | Only losses are @UConn and @Louisville | IMINMK::SILVESTRI | Penuts Gang turns 10 in 1997! | Wed Jan 08 1997 12:13 | 12 |
29.1370 | College Hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | Expansion Boy | Wed Jan 08 1997 12:21 | 26 |
29.1371 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Expansion Boy | Wed Jan 08 1997 14:17 | 10 |
29.1372 | College All stars | HBAHBA::HAAS | Expansion Boy | Wed Jan 08 1997 14:18 | 4 |
29.1373 | opening Super Bowl line | HBAHBA::HAAS | Dorsey Levens Roolz!~ | Mon Jan 13 1997 14:26 | 3 |
29.1374 | updated SB | HBAHBA::HAAS | Dorsey Levens Roolz!~ | Fri Jan 17 1997 13:10 | 7 |
29.1375 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Dorsey Levens Roolz!~ | Fri Jan 17 1997 17:24 | 10 |
29.1376 | SB whateVer | HBAHBA::HAAS | Dorsey Levens Roolz!~ | Mon Jan 20 1997 17:05 | 4 |
29.1377 | Super Bowl odds & ends | HBAHBA::HAAS | Dorsey Levens Roolz!~ | Mon Jan 20 1997 17:21 | 61 |
29.1378 | more SB propositions | HBAHBA::HAAS | Dorsey Levens Roolz!~ | Thu Jan 23 1997 15:37 | 153 |
29.1379 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Dorsey Levens Roolz!~ | Thu Jan 23 1997 16:37 | 9 |
29.1380 | College Hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | Dorsey Levens Roolz!~ | Thu Jan 23 1997 16:40 | 13 |
29.1381 | parked | HBAHBA::HAAS | Dorsey Levens Roolz!~ | Fri Jan 24 1997 14:21 | 11 |
| I think there's a consensus:
National Football League
01/26 Roxy's Stardust LVHilton MGMGrand Caesar's Bally's
PATRIOTS 49.5 49.0o/u 49.5o/u 49.0o/u 49.5o/u 49.5o/u
At PACKERS -14.0 -14.0 -14.0 -14.0 -14.0 -14.0
Danny Sheridan is still quoting Green Bay at 6:1.
TTom
|
29.1382 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Dorsey Levens Roolz!~ | Fri Jan 24 1997 15:05 | 9 |
29.1383 | more SB numbers | HBAHBA::HAAS | Dorsey Levens Roolz!~ | Fri Jan 24 1997 15:13 | 39 |
29.1384 | | CLUSTA::MAIEWSKI | Braves, 1914 1957 1995 WS Champs | Mon Jan 27 1997 11:53 | 5 |
| So who wins? If the spread is 14 points and the final score was exactly 14
points different, is that a tie or does New England win for covering? If it's
a tie, what happens to the money?
George
|
29.1385 | Nevada rules = tie | PHXSS1::16.65.144.36::Allemang | | Mon Jan 27 1997 12:38 | 8 |
|
It's a push. If you bet either team straight-up, you get your wager
back. If the bet was part of a parlay (multiple propositions in one
win-all-or-lose bet), it's treated as if you made one less proposition.
Illegal bookies are not always so 'friendly' about pushing ties, especially
with parlays.
|
29.1386 | tie might be a tie | HBAHBA::HAAS | Dorsey Levens Roolz!~ | Tue Jan 28 1997 13:36 | 25 |
| >Illegal bookies are not always so 'friendly' about pushing ties, especially
>with parlays.
All of this is by agreement. You wanna know what happens if'n, ask the
book or Las Vegas clerk.
The most common thing for bookies is that a tie is a tie and it's a loss
on the parlay. The premise is that a parlay declares the number of
winning propositions. A tie is not a win, ergo, bend over.
With Vegas, money is returned when a straight up bet that pushes. As for
parlays, here is where ya gotta be careful to read the fine print of the
card or the exact wagers. In general, with straight up parlays, a tie
reduces the number of propositions with its decreased odds. However, with
a lot of teasers, a tie is a non-win and assume the position of the
screwed.
And of course, the tie required the successful 2 pt conversion, along
with both teams scoring the same from then on, which they did with not
scoring at all, including a wide right by Jacke that prolly cause
significant stimuli of the sphincture across the land.
The bet of the game was the over, especially the over in the 1st quarter.
TTom
|
29.1387 | | MKOTS3::BREEN | Sans Doute | Tue Jan 28 1997 14:02 | 3 |
| So Tom if I had $100 on the over parlayed to Pats + 14 I should get
$200 back, my money for the first. I agree, in Vegas you can read the
fine print, with a bookie who knows.
|
29.1388 | Such as it goes... | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Tue Jan 28 1997 14:07 | 13 |
|
> And of course, the tie required the successful 2 pt conversion, along
> with both teams scoring the same from then on, which they did with not
> scoring at all, including a wide right by Jacke that prolly cause
> significant stimuli of the sphincture across the land.
Not on the spread, but Jackov's wide right cost me on the final score
of the game at 8-1 in the squares pool. Right next to me rooting just as
hard for a Norwide-like effort was one of my Steeler buddies who doubled
up on the 3rd and 4th quarters at 5-1 to haul away $1000.
glenn
|
29.1389 | almost | HBAHBA::HAAS | Dorsey Levens Roolz!~ | Tue Jan 28 1997 14:13 | 16 |
29.1390 | me too | HBAHBA::HAAS | Dorsey Levens Roolz!~ | Tue Jan 28 1997 14:15 | 8 |
| > square pool.
I had 4-1 in a 10 buck per square pool. If'n Green Bay had kicked the PAT
and it ended there, I'd have got both the third quarter and final payoff.
And, of course, the +14 woulda been more entertaining, as well.
TTom
|
29.1391 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Dorsey Levens Roolz!~ | Tue Jan 28 1997 14:18 | 12 |
29.1392 | College hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | Dorsey Levens Roolz!~ | Tue Jan 28 1997 14:18 | 10 |
29.1393 | | BIGQ::WEST | Kevin 225-4528 HLO | Tue Jan 28 1997 14:45 | 9 |
|
On a 2 bet parley, if one ties your bet goes on the second have...
so if you bet the over you win the 100.00, so the book owes you 100.00
cause you really never put up the other 100.00. if you lost you would
owe 110.00 your bet plus juice.....
|
29.1394 | odds for SB the nexted | HBAHBA::HAAS | Dorsey Levens Roolz!~ | Tue Jan 28 1997 15:15 | 32 |
| Danny Sheridan's odds to win Superbowl XXXII:
Green Bay 4:1
Dallas 6:1
San Francisco 6:1
New England 8:1
Denver 10:1
Pittsburgh 15:1
Carolina 15:1
Miami 20:1
Oakland 20:1
Kansas City 25:1
Jacksonville 30:1
Philadelphia 50:1
Buffalo 100:1
Indianapolis 100:1
Detroit 250:1
San Diego 250:1
Houston 500:1
Minnesota 750:1
Washington 1,000:1
Chicago 1,000:1
Cincinnati 1,000:1
Seattle 5,000:1
NY Giants 10,000:1
Tampa Bay 25,000:1
Arizona 25,000:1
Baltimore 200,000:1
St Louis 250,000:1
Atlanta 500,000:1
New Orleans 750,000:1
NY Jets 1,000,000:1
|
29.1395 | | MKOTS3::LONG | Taxation without representation | Wed Jan 29 1997 03:31 | 14 |
| I didn't get to the SB party until midway through the 4th
quarter. You should have heard all of the folks whining about
the two point conversion. There was a HUGE camp who insisted
that the bookies had the fix in on this game to make sure it
was a push, ie the bookies win and everyone else looses.
Maybe it was alchohol induced, yeah maybe, but it made the
"grassy knoll" and "locked hotel door" conspiracy LDUC talks
in here look like a brief comment at the water cooler.
Obviously these guys were not placing their bets in Vegas.
billl
|
29.1396 | | CLUSTA::MAIEWSKI | Braves, 1914 1957 1995 WS Champs | Wed Jan 29 1997 11:56 | 10 |
| I agree, they were over reacting. The 2 point conversion made sense if you
figure the average touch down results in the team getting 7 points (The TD and
on average 1 more point). Either a one point conversion or a miss would have
left the Packs lead over the Pats the same, a TD and field goal would not be
enough, two TDs and extra points would put them ahead.
With the two points, two TDs and extra points would have been a tie, not a
lead. The Pack had much to gain and little to lose going for two.
George
|
29.1397 | Whining betters - 1990s phenomenon? | MKOTS3::BREEN | Sans Doute | Wed Jan 29 1997 13:24 | 10 |
| These whiners should stop betting and get out of the stock market too
while they're at it. We get all this stuff from the baseball umpiring
and idiots who want to bring back instant replay for officiating.
The one element of all the myriad elements - tv, agents, coaches, owners,
the media - that influence sports that's most protective of the
integrity has to be organized gambling. Undoubtably if quarterbacks or
referees ever got on the take they'd be the ones looking to blow the
whistle. They may have been the party that forced the nba's hand with
Michael Jordan.
|
29.1398 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Dorsey Levens Roolz!~ | Wed Jan 29 1997 13:35 | 9 |
29.1399 | College hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | Dorsey Levens Roolz!~ | Wed Jan 29 1997 13:35 | 30 |
29.1400 | Roxy's take on SB betting | HBAHBA::HAAS | Dorsey Levens Roolz!~ | Wed Jan 29 1997 13:43 | 54 |
|
Super Bowl betting turns out to be one big push
LAS VEGAS, Nev.-For bookmakers, Sunday's Super Bowl was a lot like
kissing their sisters. And believe me, these guys don't have Cindy
Crawford as their sibling. The bet takers spent most of last Sunday
evening handing out refunds as the game fell right on the pointspread,
14. So anyone who bet Green Bay at -14 or New England at +14 (roughly
90% of those who wagered), got a push when the Packers beat the
Patriots, 35-21.
What was so tantalizing about the game was that, but for one otherwise
obscure play, a two-point conversion, books could have had their
biggest day ever. Leading 33-21 after a touchdown late in the third
quarter, the Packers went for two. Had they merely kicked the extra
point--as they initially lined up to do--or missed the two-pointer,
Green Bay would have won by only 12 or 13. With the over/under on the
game having been bet down from 53 to 49, the dog-and-over result would
have been a windfall for bet takers.
As it was, bookmakers had to be satisfied with success on the total,
money line, and most prop bets. As historically has been the case,
bettors played the underdog straight up (odds, no points), dropping
the line on a Patriots victory from +400 to +325 (bet $100 to win
$325). At the same time, those who preferred the Packers straight up
had only to lay 4-1, rather than the opening number of 6-1. Aside from
the "Player to Score the First Touchdown" prop, where Green Bay's
Andre Rison was a fan favorite at 12-1, books did well on the gimmick
wagers.
It all made for a frustrating day for Nevada bookmakers who won the
small skirmishes but left the big battle unresolved. So it appears
both sides, including those who took 9-1 in futures on Green Bay at
the start of the season, will live to fight another day.
SUPER BOWL ODDS AND ENDS: For the second straight year, Kirk Brooks
and his staff at the Boardwalk sports book get the award for most
innovative proposition wager. Brooks asked his players to choose which
Green Bay team would score more points, the team that captured the
first Super Bowl, in 1967, or the 1997 Packers. As it turned out, both
teams scored 35 points but those who bet the 1997 Packers won because
they were a 3-point underdog in the matchup wager.
Brooks also pitted Bart Starr of the 9167 Packers against Brett Favre
for most yardage, and Max McGee from the first Super Bowl champions
against Antonio Freeman of this year's edition for the most
receptions.
Another Super Bowl proposition of note comes courtesy of Dennis Dahl,
the sports book manager at the MGM Grand. Dahl listed the individual
potential scoring for both teams, from zero to 50 or more, with odds
assigned to every number. The Packers getting exactly 35 points paid
off at 10-1. The Patriots scoring 21 points was worth 6-1.
|
29.1401 | Pro Bowl | HBAHBA::HAAS | Dorsey Levens Roolz!~ | Wed Jan 29 1997 13:51 | 5 |
| Pro Bowl:
NFC 3 AFC
over/under 41
|
29.1402 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Thu Jan 30 1997 15:16 | 7 |
29.1403 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Thu Jan 30 1997 15:16 | 30 |
29.1404 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Fri Jan 31 1997 15:55 | 9 |
29.1405 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Mon Feb 03 1997 14:52 | 4 |
29.1406 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Mon Feb 03 1997 14:52 | 12 |
29.1407 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Tue Feb 04 1997 16:16 | 11 |
29.1408 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Tue Feb 04 1997 16:16 | 13 |
29.1409 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Wed Feb 05 1997 15:18 | 9 |
29.1410 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Wed Feb 05 1997 15:18 | 25 |
29.1411 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Thu Feb 06 1997 15:47 | 8 |
29.1412 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Thu Feb 06 1997 15:47 | 30 |
29.1413 | some real amateur hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Fri Feb 07 1997 15:47 | 6 |
29.1414 | NBA All Star game | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Fri Feb 07 1997 16:05 | 5 |
29.1415 | assuming they let McCall outta jail | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Fri Feb 07 1997 16:10 | 5 |
| Odds to win some kinda heavy weight fight:
Lennox Lewis 5:1 Oliver McCall
|
29.1416 | Down from 2:1 earlier | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | UMass is back - watch out NCAA! | Fri Feb 07 1997 16:38 | 5 |
| Here's the read odds on that fight:
Don't care 8:5 Can't be bothered
NAZZ
|
29.1417 | College hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Mon Feb 10 1997 15:36 | 12 |
29.1418 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Tue Feb 11 1997 17:03 | 13 |
29.1419 | College Hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Tue Feb 11 1997 17:03 | 11 |
29.1420 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Wed Feb 12 1997 16:25 | 9 |
29.1421 | Odds for nexted NFL season | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Wed Feb 12 1997 20:08 | 56 |
|
Packers strong favorites to repeat
LAS VEGAS - Those who had the wisdom and courage at the beginning of
last season to bet that Green Bay would win the Super Bowl, collected
at odds of 9-1 last month. However, should the Packers make it two
straight next January, the payoff won't be nearly as lucrative.
Green Bay now is the 3-1 favorite to win Super Bowl XXXII in San Diego
(or Los Angeles, if 'America's Finest City' can't resolve its stadium
development problems). Dallas and San Francisco, a couple of perennial
powerhouses, will take on the Packers in the NFC while Denver,
Pittsburgh and New England are the top contenders in the AFC.
Here are the prices for all 30 NFL clubs:
ODDS TO WIN THE 1998 SUPER BOWL
Jack Murphy Stadium, San Diego, Jan. 25, 1998
Green Bay Packers 3-1 Detroit Lions 25-1
Dallas Cowboys 5-1 Houston Oilers 30-1
San Francisco 49ers 5-1 Minnesota Vikings 35-1
Denver Broncos 10-1 Washington Redskins 35-1
Pittsburgh Steelers 12-1 Chicago Bears 35-1
New England Patriots 12-1 Cincinnati Bengals 35-1
Carolina Panthers 12-1 New York Giants 50-1
Jacksonville Jaguars 15-1 Seattle Seahawks 50-1
Kansas City Chiefs 15-1 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 60-1
Buffalo Bills 15-1 Arizona Cardinals 60-1
Miami Dolphins 20-1 Baltimore Ravens 60-1
Oakland Raiders 20-1 St. Louis Rams 70-1
Philadelphia Eagles 20-1 Atlanta Falcons 80-1
Indianapolis Colts 25-1 New Orleans Saints 100-1
San Diego Chargers 25-1 New York Jets 120-1
You don't have to be a student of history to know that an AFC team
hasn't won a Super Bowl since the Raiders in 1984. Maybe that's why
there also are prices on the individual AFC and NFC Championships:
Odds to Win the 1997/98 AFC Title Odds to Win the 1997/98 NFC Title
Denver Broncos 5-1 Green Bay Packers 2-1
Pittsburgh Steelers 6-1 Dallas Cowboys 3-1
New England Patriots 6-1 San Francisco 49ers 3-1
Jacksonville Jaguars 8-1 Carolina Panthers 8-1
Kansas City Chiefs 8-1 Philadelphia Eagles 12-1
Buffalo Bills 8-1 Detroit Lions 15-1
Miami Dolphins 10-1 Minnesota Vikings 18-1
Oakland Raiders 10-1 Washington Redskins 18-1
Indianapolis Colts 12-1 Chicago Bears 18-1
San Diego Chargers 12-1 New York Giants 22-1
Houston Oilers 15-1 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 30-1
Cincinnati Bengals 18-1 Arizona Cardinals 30-1
Seattle Seahawks 22-1 St. Louis Rams 35-1
Baltimore Ravens 30-1 Atlanta Falcons 40-1
New York Jets 60-1 New Orleans Saints 50-1
|
29.1422 | that's bettin'!~ | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Fri Feb 14 1997 13:22 | 29 |
|
Daytona 500 takes center stage for this weekend's action
LAS VEGAS, Nev.-To many it's like playing the Super Bowl in September
or the World Series in April, but roaring off the line with the
Daytona 500 - the most prized event on the NASCAR Winston Cup schedule
- seems to work for the auto racing industry. After all, auto racing
is the fastest growing sport in America.
This year's event, on the 2.5 mile tri-oval of the Daytona
International Speedway, will be shown live by CBS, Sunday, 9:00 am,
Pacific. Dale Jarrett is the defending champion.
ODDS TO WIN THE 1997 DAYTONA 500
Jeff Gordon 3-1 Michael Waltrip 30-1
Dale Earnhardt 4-1 Bobby LaBonte 30-1
Sterling Marlin 9-2 Morgan Shepherd 35-1
Dale Jarrett 5-1 Jimmy Spencer 35-1
Terry LaBonte 10-1 Rick Mast 40-1
Mark Martin 12-1 Bill Elliott 40-1
Ken Schrader 15-1 Johnny Benson 45-1
Ernie Irvin 15-1 Wally Dallenbach 45-1
Robby Gordon 15-1 Lake Speed 50-1
Bobby Hamilton 20-1 Jeremy Mayfield 50-1
Jeff Burton 20-1 Kyle Petty 60-1
Rusty Wallace 22-1 Hut Stricklin 60-1
Ricky Rudd 22-1 John Andretti 75-1
Ted Musgrave 25-1 Derrick Cope 75-1
Ricky Craven 25-1 Field (all others) 25-1
|
29.1423 | NBA against the line | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Fri Feb 14 1997 13:23 | 40 |
| SPREADING THE WEALTH: In what kind of bizarre standings would the
Hornets have a better record than the Bulls or the Clippers be ahead
of their Los Angeles neighbors, the Lakers? In the pointspread
standings, of course, where winning or losing straight up does not
necessarily correspond to a team's spread mark. For further evidence,
check out Orlando, Sacramento and Toronto.
Here's a look at the pointspread records for all 29 NBA teams through
February 1:
Team Pointspread Record
Atlanta Hawks 24-18
Boston Celtics 20-22
Charlotte Hornets 27-17
Chicago Bulls 26-18
Cleveland Cavaliers 23-21
Dallas Mavericks 18-24
Denver Nuggets 19-27
Detroit Pistons 25-17
Golden State Warriors 19-24
Houston Rockets 24-20
Indiana Pacers 22-20
Los Angeles Clippers 23-19
Los Angeles Lakers 18-24
Miami Heat 25-18
Milwaukee Bucks 22-20
Minnesota Timberwolves 25-18
New Jersey Nets 20-22
New York Knicks 23-20
Orlando Magic 16-23
Philadelphia 76ers 16-27
Phoenix Suns 19-25
Portland Trailblazers 25-20
Sacramento Kings 24-20
San Antonio Spurs 16-20
Seattle Supersonics 23-22
Toronto Raptors 24-18
Utah Jazz 19-24
Vancouver Grizzlies 16-25
Washington Bullets 18-24
|
29.1424 | very early derby odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | Come on down, Gilbert Brown | Fri Feb 14 1997 13:24 | 17 |
| ODDS TO WIN THE 1997 KENTUCKY DERBY
(Churchill Downs, Louisville, May 3, 1997)
Traitor 10-1 Cash Deposit 35-1
Acceptable 12-1 Storm Song (F) 40-1
Hello 15-1 The Silver Move 40-1
Pulpit 15-1 Gold Tribute 40-1
Boston Harbor 18-1 Holzmeister 40-1
Ordway 18-1 Captain Bodgit 40-1
Mud Route 20-1 Accelerator 40-1
Silver Charm 20-1 Sharp Cat (F) 40-1
Jules 25-1 Shammy Davis 40-1
Smoke Glacken 25-1 Swiss Yodeler 50-1
Arthur L. 25-1 Thesaurus 50-1
In Excessive Bull 30-1 Blazing Sword 50-1
Wrightwood 30-1
Additions: Blazing Sword-Gulfstream Park allowance winner
|
29.1425 | | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Fri Feb 14 1997 13:38 | 9 |
|
> ODDS TO WIN THE 1997 DAYTONA 500
The rook Mike Skinner took the pole position, and ran well in
qualifiers, but he's still listed only as part of "da field"?
Is that racin'?
glenn
|
29.1427 | | CAM::WAY | and keep me steadfast | Fri Feb 14 1997 19:28 | 15 |
| >
> The rook Mike Skinner took the pole position, and ran well in
> qualifiers, but he's still listed only as part of "da field"?
> Is that racin'?
No, that's more statistics of Daytona.
I don't have them right here in front of me, but I remember hearing that
in the 40-odd years of Daytona, the pole winner has only won the race 7 times.
If it's me running the race, I'd like to qualify top fifteen, catch a good
draft with a bunch of "sane" drivers, and ride for a while. Last quarter of
the race is where you make your move....
|
29.1428 | Some kind of oversight-- Skinner can win with thi ssetup | EDWIN::WAUGAMAN | | Mon Feb 17 1997 13:06 | 14 |
|
>> The rook Mike Skinner took the pole position, and ran well in
>> qualifiers, but he's still listed only as part of "da field"?
>> Is that racin'?
>
> No, that's more statistics of Daytona.
I didn't expect Skinner to win, but he had a good car, on a good team.
He did end up finishing 12th. I just figured that he'd at least be
listed at some price amongst all those other luminaries who had no shot
at winning.
glenn
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29.1429 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | netwrok spatialist | Mon Feb 17 1997 16:53 | 9 |
29.1430 | College Hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | netwrok spatialist | Mon Feb 17 1997 16:53 | 12 |
29.1431 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | netwrok spatialist | Tue Feb 18 1997 16:34 | 8 |
29.1432 | College Hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | netwrok spatialist | Tue Feb 18 1997 16:34 | 10 |
29.1433 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | netwrok spatialist | Wed Feb 19 1997 15:15 | 10 |
29.1434 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | netwrok spatialist | Wed Feb 19 1997 15:15 | 7 |
29.1435 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | still not dead yet | Thu Feb 20 1997 15:52 | 9 |
29.1436 | college | HBAHBA::HAAS | still not dead yet | Thu Feb 20 1997 15:52 | 24 |
29.1437 | hokey odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | still not dead yet | Thu Feb 20 1997 15:56 | 48 |
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No clear favorites for Lord Stanley's Cup
LAS VEGAS, Nev.-Unlike basketball, where the Bulls are 3-5 and the
next closest team is 8-1; or baseball, where just two clubs--the
Braves and the Indians--are in single digits; or even football, where
only three of the NFL's 30 franchises are held at less than 10-1; the
race for the 1997 NHL Championship remains wide open. The hockey
season began with five teams rated at 8-1 or less and now there are
seven, with two more clubs right behind at 10-1.
Interestingly, even with Chicago, Montreal and Boston faltering, there
have been other teams, notably Dallas, Buffalo and Edmonton, that have
rushed into contention. Clearly, the dash for the Stanley Cup is the
most competitive among the major sports.
Here's a look at both the opening and current odds to win this year's
NHL Championship:
ODDS TO WIN THE 1997 STANLEY CUP
Team Opening Current
Detroit Red Wings 3-1 9-2
Philadelphia Flyers 5-1 4-1
Colorado Avalanche 6-1 5-2
New York Rangers 7-1 10-1
Pittsburgh Penguins 8-1 6-1
New Jersey Devils 12-1 8-1
Florida Panthers 15-1 7-1
Vancouver Canucks 15-1 35-1
Chicago Blackhawks 15-1 30-1
Montreal Canadiens 18-1 35-1
St. Louis Blues 18-1 18-1
Boston Bruins 22-1 75-1
Washington Capitals 25-1 50-1
Toronto Maple Leafs 25-1 300-1
Calgary Flames 30-1 75-1
Anaheim Mighty Ducks 35-1 60-1
Phoenix Coyotes 40-1 50-1
Tampa Bay Lightning 40-1 150-1
Hartford Whalers 40-1 50-1
Buffalo Sabres 50-1 10-1
Dallas Stars 60-1 6-1
Los Angeles Kings 60-1 300-1
San Jose Sharks 70-1 150-1
Edmonton Oilers 70-1 20-1
New York Islanders 100-1 150-1
Ottawa Senators 200-1 150-1
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29.1438 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | still not dead yet | Fri Feb 21 1997 15:53 | 12 |
29.1439 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | still not dead yet | Mon Feb 24 1997 15:19 | 6 |
29.1440 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | still not dead yet | Mon Feb 24 1997 15:19 | 17 |
29.1441 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | still not dead yet | Tue Feb 25 1997 16:38 | 10 |
29.1442 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | still not dead yet | Tue Feb 25 1997 16:38 | 12 |
29.1443 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | still not dead yet | Wed Feb 26 1997 15:02 | 11 |
29.1444 | New-found respect for the C's in Vegas | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | UMass is back - watch out NCAA! | Wed Feb 26 1997 17:10 | 3 |
| Celtics are FAVORED?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
NAZZ
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29.1445 | or a pick | HBAHBA::HAAS | still not dead yet | Wed Feb 26 1997 17:13 | 4 |
| It's real near a pick with Sacramento hardly being any great shakes
themselves.
TTom
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29.1446 | One losing streak must come to an end tonight | IMINMK::SILVESTRI | Penuts Gang turns 10 in 1997! | Wed Feb 26 1997 17:30 | 14 |
| And the Celtics have defeated the Kings 17 straight in Boston ...
The last time the Kings won in Beantown they were still the
Kansas City Kings, and Scott Wedman was the leading scorer
in the game ...
I must be in a pessimistic mood today, but I got the feeling
Boston is gonna play just good enough to lose them the
Number One pick (with it going to San Antonio) and the Mavs
are gonna play well enough that the draft pick the Celtics
get from them will be in the 7-10 range ... not the primo
4-6 range we are hoping for ...
Vinny
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29.1447 | | MKOTS3::BREEN | Sans Doute | Wed Feb 26 1997 20:44 | 7 |
| We get no updates on Lister and Ellison and Szabo is the starting
center. ML is trying to set an environment for maxcimum loss while not
interfering with will to win of Walker etal. This plan has been in
place since he took over.
I feared at the time of the Dallas moves that although bad for Dallas
in the long term, doing nothing would have been the best for Boston.
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29.1448 | NBA | HBAHBA::HAAS | still not dead yet | Thu Feb 27 1997 15:28 | 7 |
29.1449 | College | HBAHBA::HAAS | still not dead yet | Thu Feb 27 1997 15:28 | 21 |
29.1450 | Roxy's NCAA odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | still not dead yet | Thu Feb 27 1997 20:21 | 39 |
| NCAA hoops title up for grabs
LAS VEGAS, Nev. - There are only two weeks separating the current
college hoop season from the start of the 64-team NCAA Men's
Basketball Championship and several teams appear to have a legitimate
shot at the 1996-97 title. The list is headed by top ranked Kansas,
the 3-1 favorite. But the Jayhawks figure to get some stiff
competition from feisty defending champion Kentucky - always a darling
of the bettors and the 7-2 second choice--as well as Wake Forest, the
5-1 third choice. The Deacons claim the nation's premier big man, Tim
Duncan, a scoring, rebounding and defensive powerhouse in the paint.
Minnesota, 8-1, may be the surprise of this season while familiar
names such as Duke, North Carolina, Michigan and UCLA always are
prominent at Tournament time.
Here's how the top 20 teams line up now:
ODDS TO WIN THE 1996-97 MEN'S NCAA BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP:
Kansas 3-1
Kentucky 7-2
Wake Forest 5-1
Minnesota 8-1
Cincinnati 10-1
Duke 10-1
North Carolina 12-1
Michigan 12-1
Utah 12-1
UCLA 15-1
Villanova 25-1
Arizona 30-1
South Carolina 35-1
Clemson 40-1
Louisville 40-1
Maryland 40-1
Stanford 50-1
Texas Tech 50-1
New Mexico 50-1
Texas 50-1
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29.1451 | 6:5 and pick 'em | HBAHBA::HAAS | still not dead yet | Thu Feb 27 1997 20:23 | 5 |
| Boxing, Saturday:
Sugar Ray Leonard -120
Hector Macho Camacho -120
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29.1452 | MLB odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | still not dead yet | Thu Feb 27 1997 20:27 | 35 |
|
Odds courtesy of Imperial Palace Race and Sports Book,
Las Vegas, Nev. (updated Feb. 25, 1997)
1997 Major League Baseball
Odds to win the 1997 World Series
Braves 3-1
Indians 5-1
White Sox 6-1
Mariners 7-1
Yankees 7-1
Marlins 8-1
Orioles 10-1
Cardinals 12-1
Dodgers 12-1
Rangers 12-1
Padres 15-1
Blue Jays 20-1
Rockies 20-1
Astros 25-1
Mets 25-1
Red Sox 25-1
Angels 30-1
Cubs 30-1
Reds 30-1
Twins 30-1
Giants 50-1
A's 60-1
Expos 60-1
Brewers 75-1
Royals 75-1
Pirates 125-1
Phillies 150-1
Tigers 150-1
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29.1453 | Wink wink!!! | WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M | NEW YORK YANKEES WORLD CHAMPS | Fri Feb 28 1997 15:16 | 3 |
|
Take the 7-1 ....
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29.1454 | oh the other 7-1 | HBAHBA::HAAS | still not dead yet | Fri Feb 28 1997 15:30 | 1 |
| Ya like them mariners?
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29.1455 | With Roger on board they're a lock | PECAD8::CHILDS | SI Swimsuit Issue Contest Winner!! | Fri Feb 28 1997 15:48 | 2 |
|
I'm taking Toronto at 20-1.
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29.1456 | | ROCK::HUBER | From Seneca to Cuyahoga Falls | Fri Feb 28 1997 19:24 | 30 |
|
OK, I guess if I were putting down $6, I'd put $1 each on:
> 1997 Major League Baseball
> Odds to win the 1997 World Series
>
> Indians 5-1
Here's $1 #1. OK, it's sentimental - I think the odds are reasonable,
not particularly tempting.
> Rangers 12-1
And $1 #2.
> Mets 25-1
$1 #3.
> Reds 30-1
$1 #4.
> A's 60-1
$1 #5.
> Expos 60-1
$1 #6.
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29.1457 | For entertainment purposes, etc., etc. | RTOMS::SHERMANS | The former MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Mon Mar 03 1997 09:48 | 8 |
| Joe, if I had to bet, I'd bet you'd lose all six bucks.
I'm not sure I could find six teams to bet a buck on. For sure, a buck
each on the Braves, Mariners, and White Sox. Maybe the Marlins and the
Cardinals. And if you put a pistol to my head and force me to bet the
sixth buck, I'd go with the Padres.
Steve
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29.1458 | | ROCK::HUBER | From Seneca to Cuyahoga Falls | Mon Mar 03 1997 11:32 | 7 |
|
>Joe, if I had to bet, I'd bet you'd lose all six bucks.
It's certainly possible. And I'm certainly hoping to hypothetically
lose $1... B^)
Joe
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29.1459 | hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | still not dead yet | Mon Mar 03 1997 18:08 | 9 |
29.1460 | hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | still not dead yet | Wed Mar 05 1997 15:37 | 34 |
29.1461 | hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | still not dead yet | Thu Mar 06 1997 14:33 | 56 |
29.1462 | real hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | still not dead yet | Fri Mar 07 1997 15:13 | 45 |
29.1463 | very early NCAA lines | HBAHBA::HAAS | still not dead yet | Mon Mar 10 1997 15:49 | 49 |
29.1464 | NIT | HBAHBA::HAAS | angel trumpets and devil trombones | Tue Mar 11 1997 13:43 | 20 |
29.1465 | NCAA Round 1 | HBAHBA::HAAS | angel trumpets and devil trombones | Tue Mar 11 1997 16:45 | 49 |
29.1466 | NCAA odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | angel trumpets and devil trombones | Wed Mar 12 1997 15:04 | 50 |
|
Kansas strong favorite to be king of Big Dance
LAS VEGAS, Nev.-Top-ranked Kansas, which has lost just once in 33
games this year, is a 2-1 favorite to win the 1997 NCAA Men's
Basketball Championship. The 64-team tournament tips off with 16
opening-round games Thursday. The Jayhawks, who are the top seed in
the Southeast Regional, will be pressed by defending national champion
Kentucky, ACC tournament winner North Carolina, as well as the Big Ten
Conference winner, Minnesota.
The 63-game tournament, which runs through the finals on March 31, are
second only to the Super Bowl in total handle. Here are the
championship odds for all the participants:
ODDS TO WIN THE 1997 NCAA MEN'S BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
Kansas 2-1 Virginia 150-1
Kentucky 3-1 Mississippi 150-1
North Carolina 7-2 Vanderbilt 150-1
Minnesota 5-1 Colorado 200-1
Wake Forest 8-1 Massachusetts 200-1
Duke 10-1 Texas 200-1
Cincinnati 10-1 Purdue 200-1
South Carolina 12-1 Rhode Island 200-1
UCLA 15-1 Illinois State 250-1
Utah 18-1 Providence 250-1
Villanova 20-1 Oklahoma 250-1
Clemson 25-1 Miami-Ohio 300-1
Arizona 30-1 Princeton 300-1
New Mexico 35-1 Southern California 400-1
Tulsa 40-1 Pacific 500-1
Boston College 50-1 Butler 500-1
Stanford 50-1 Boston U. 750-1
Maryland 50-1 South Alabama 750-1
Iowa State 60-1 College of Charleston 750-1
Georgia 60-1 St. Mary's 1000-1
Wisconsin 75-1 Valparaiso 1000-1
Indiana 75-1 Old Dominion 1500-1
St. Joseph's 75-1 Tennessee-Chattanooga 1500-1
California 75-1 Long Island U. 2000-1
Xavier 75-1 Charleston Southern 2000-1
Illinois 75-1 Coppin State 2000-1
Temple 75-1 SW Texas State 2000-1
Iowa 75-1 Navy 2000-1
Marquette 100-1 Murray State 2000-1
Louisville 100-1 Montana 2000-1
Georgetown 100-1 Jackson State 2000-1
UNC Charlotte 150-1 Fairfield 2000-1
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29.1467 | NCAA odds n' ends | HBAHBA::HAAS | angel trumpets and devil trombones | Wed Mar 19 1997 13:15 | 81 |
|
Top four seeds still standing as March Madness rolls on
LAS VEGAS, Nev.-How sweet it is.
The NCAA Men's Basketball Championship has whittled itself down from a
bulky 64 aspirants to a sweet 16 list of contenders with all four No.
1 regional seeds and bracket favorites still in the hunt to cut down
the nets at the RCA Dome in Indianapolis, March 31.
Here are the odds to win the 1997 NCAA Tournament:
Kansas 9-5 Arizona 35-1
Kentucky 3-1 Providence 40-1
North Carolina 7-2 Iowa State 50-1
Minnesota 7-1 Louisville 60-1
UCLA 7-1 Texas 60-1
Utah 15-1 California 75-1
Stanford 30-1 St. Joseph's 100-1
Clemson 35-1 Tennessee-Chat 250-1
Here are the prices for each individual regional bracket:
East Regional Southeast Regional
North Carolina 1-3 Kansas 1-4
Louisville 6-1 Providence 5-1
Texas 6-1 Arizona 6-1
California 7-1 Tennessee-Chat 30-1
Midwest Regional West Regional
Minnesota 7-5 Kentucky 2-5
UCLA 8-5 Utah 3-1
Clemson 4-1 Stanford 5-1
Iowa State 5-1 St. Joseph's 15-1
THAT WAS THE WEEK THAT WAS: The presence of unknown teams such as
Coppin State, College of Charleston, Valparaiso and
Tennessee-Chattanooga presented a stern challenge to bookmakers and
bettors alike during the opening two rounds of the NCAA Men's
Basketball Championship, March 13-16.
It looks like both sides survived.
Favorites and underdogs won with near equanimity during the four day
frenzy, always a good sign for nervous bet takers who hate a
sustainable pattern. However, bet makers who shrewdly chose to parlay
their wagers (particularly those who went with the traditional
favorite-and-over or underdog-and-under scenarios), overcame the odds:
STRAIGHT BETS
Favorites: 22-26 Underdogs: 26-22
PARLAYS (of 48 games)
Favorite and Over: 12 times Favorite and Under: 10 times
Underdog and Over: 8 times Underdog and Under: 18 times
As can be expected, there were more than a handful of interesting
individual games during the tournament:
* Players liked underdog Tennessee-Chattanooga against Georgia,
dropping the number from -10 to -9. They were correct; the
Moccasins won outright, 73-70.
* Temple was boosted from -2 1/2 to -4 1/2 against Mississippi,
rewarding Owl backers with a 62-40 triumph.
* Wake Forest, bet up from -13 1/2 to -15, crushed St. Mary's,68-46.
* Coppin State, which slipped from +17 to +19 1/2 against South
Carolina, stunned both bettors and the Gamecocks, 78-65.
* Cincinnati, boosted from -12 to -14, did it to Butler, 86-69.
* Purdue, which slipped from +1 1/2 to +3 against Rhode Island on
game day, beat the Rams in overtime, 83-76.
* Utah, bet up from -18 1/2 to -20, failed to cover against Navy,
75-61.
* Duke, which went from a 22 1/2 point favorite to -24 versus Murray
State, won but did not cover, 71-68.
* College of Charleston, which slid from +4 1/2 to +6 against
Arizona, kept it close, losing by only four points, 73-69.
* California, a closing 6-point underdog against Villanova after
opening at only +4, won outright, 75-68.
* The Villanova-LIU game, wagered up from a total of 164 to 170,
easily did go over, 101-91.
* Total on the Valparaiso-Boston College game was bet down from 144
to 141. That was the way to go as the game fell under, 73-69.
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29.1468 | NCAA | HBAHBA::HAAS | angel trumpets and devil trombones | Wed Mar 19 1997 13:15 | 15 |
29.1469 | NIT | HBAHBA::HAAS | angel trumpets and devil trombones | Mon Mar 24 1997 14:01 | 7 |
29.1470 | early Final Four | HBAHBA::HAAS | angel trumpets and devil trombones | Mon Mar 24 1997 14:01 | 7 |
29.1471 | Final Four lines, odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | angel trumpets and devil trombones | Fri Mar 28 1997 15:09 | 14 |
29.1472 | Women's final four | HBAHBA::HAAS | angel trumpets and devil trombones | Fri Mar 28 1997 15:10 | 5 |
| This has to be some sign of some kinda apocolypse. Wimmen's hoops :+]
Stanford 6 Old Dominion
Tennessee 7 Notre Dame
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29.1473 | for chappy | HBAHBA::HAAS | angel trumpets and devil trombones | Sat Mar 29 1997 13:14 | 32 |
| 1997 Major League Baseball
Odds to win the 1997 World Series
Braves 3-1
Indians 5-1
Mariners 6-1
White Sox 6-1
Yankees 7-1
Blue Jays 8-1
Marlins 8-1
Orioles 10-1
Cardinals 12-1
Dodgers 12-1
Rangers 12-1
Padres 15-1
Rockies 20-1
Astros 25-1
Mets 25-1
Red Sox 25-1
Angels 30-1
Cubs 30-1
Reds 30-1
Twins 30-1
Giants 50-1
A's 60-1
Expos 60-1
Brewers 75-1
Royals 75-1
Pirates 125-1
Phillies 150-1
Tigers 150-1
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29.1474 | final hoops | HBAHBA::HAAS | Where are the ChainSaws of yesteryear? | Mon Mar 31 1997 18:39 | 4 |
| The Big One:
Kentucky 6 Arizona
over/under 159
|
29.1475 | Masters Odds | HBAHBA::HAAS | Where are the ChainSaws of yesteryear? | Tue Apr 01 1997 14:12 | 57 |
| Updated championship odds
Odds courtesy of Imperial Palace Race and Sports Book,
Las Vegas, Nev. (updated March 25, 1997)
Odds to win the Masters (April 10-13)
Tom Lehman 7-1
Greg Norman 7-1
Tiger Woods 7-1
Phil Mickelson 8-1
Nick Faldo 9-1
Fred Couples 10-1
Nick Price 10-1
Ernie Els 15-1
Mark O'Meara 15-1
Davis Love III 18-1
Colin Montgomerie 22-1
Jose Maria Olazabal 22-1
Steve Jones 25-1
David Duval 25-1
Steve Elkington 25-1
Jesper Parnevik 25-1
Ian Woosnam 25-1
Paul Stankowski 25-1
Vijay Singh 30-1
Corey Pavin 30-1
Lee Janzen 30-1
Bernhard Langer 30-1
Frank Nobilo 30-1
Steve Stricker 35-1
Brad Faxon 35-1
Scott Hoch 35-1
Justin Leonard 35-1
Tom Watson 35-1
Jeff Sluman 35-1
John Daly 40-1
Jeff Maggert 40-1
Mark Brooks 40-1
Craig Stadler 40-1
Jim Furyk 40-1
Paul Azinger 45-1
Ray Floyd 45-1
Ben Crenshaw 45-1
David Frost 50-1
Loren Roberts 50-1
Tom Kite 50-1
Tom Tolles 50-1
Bob Tway 50-1
John Cook 50-1
Larry Mize 60-1
Kenny Perry 75-1
Jumbo Ozaki 75-1
Seve Ballesteros 100-1
Fuzzy Zoeller 100-1
Jack Nicklaus 100-1
Field 8-1
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29.1476 | | PHXSS1::HEISER | Maranatha! | Tue Apr 01 1997 14:26 | 2 |
| We know we can count out Greg Norman already since this is a major
tournament. Even Presidents aren't safe around him.
|
29.1477 | | PECAD8::CHILDS | | Tue Apr 01 1997 16:23 | 4 |
|
I think Freddie's ready to rise to the challenge again. What an ace sunday.
mike
|
29.1478 | Norman will be right in it too | MKOTS3::BREEN | If there's nae wind then it's nae basketball | Tue Apr 01 1997 16:34 | 2 |
| I'm sure Elkington is no worse than 10-1 at this point. I'd pick Faldo
with my money. O'Meara would be my American pick.
|