Conference 7.286::digital

Generally it's handled by site security.

		Steve

    
    How could parking be illegal at a dec facility; I did realize that
    DEC (Digatal) could make laws; I know they can make rules, but breaking
    on of those isn't illegal; maybe inappropriate but not illegal, but
    I guess anyone could make a citizens arrest, I can see it now.....
    the grammar police, the notes police, the net police, the parking
    police, good job creator.
    
    sorry , I ramble on somtime.
    
    :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
    
    

     re .2
    
    Thats why I put the illegal in quotes. My concern is that there are
    driving lanes in the parking lots. If people are parking in those lanes
    then my safety is jeopardized. My question was asked because I've just
    about had it with the jerks who are too lazy to park in appropriate
    spaces. Even when I mentioned it to a security officer, nothing was
    done. 
    
 ed

    I believe state laws come into play when it comes to areas designated
    as fire lanes and handicapped parking areas.  In New Hampshire the 
    police can come on private property (not govt. owned) and ticket vehicles
    parked illegally in the above mentioned areas.

    Outside of that, the security folks put tickets on your vehicle and
    notify your CC manager if you park in shuttle van or other such areas.
    No VP yet, that I'm aware of :)

    
      Are there in fact enough spaces for all the people working
    at SHR?  (Before SHR3 was built/sold,  the lots were all filled
    over capacity every day,  and the situation was particularly
    bad when the 'ampitheater'  was in use...
    
    
    						-al
    

    
    These cars are parked inappropriately every day. When I come in there
    are plenty of spaces open, but they are further away than these people
    wish to walk.
    
    ed

Put a note on their car, informing them that where they have parked is not a
parking space.  I do.

Paul

    Colorado has this "Make my day" law which applies especially on private
    property. Always wondered why only a few cars parked "off" a bit and
    only once here at CXO. ;-)
    
    Guenther

    Whan I was at CXO [in the old days] they had a no parking rule. If you
    parked where you weren't supposed to you would come out and you car
    would be missing. Report it to Security and you would be told that you
    had been 'moved' to the far corner of the far lot. You were not offered
    a ride. Cured folks real quick.
    
    There was a story once about KO not wanting to create ill will with
    visitors so there was no towing.
    
    Many people park in places that obstruct medical/fire equipment from
    access. If they were the injured party........

  A few years ago, it was announced that PKO Security would tow any cars that
were parked in fire lanes. I don't know if it actually happened.
  I think part of the problem with some MA facilities is that they designed
the parking on the assumption that a certain percentage of the workforce would
use vanpools or carpools. I estimate that 99% of the people in MA and NH drive
to work in single-occupant vehicles. When you add in visitors, you need 5-10%
more parking spaces than the headcount of the building.
  There is also the issue of parking lot design. I apprecite architects' 
desire to have people look out on grass and trees instead of parked cars, but
the result is that the farthest parking spaces are up to 2000 feet from the
nearest staffed entrance.

    
    I walked a long way up the wrong lane to get to my rental car in the SHR 
    lot the other day. Of course there was lotsa snow too, so I could not
    trudge across. I wish SHR has steps to get to different levels. I had to 
    walk back all the way (either end - no diff) to get to another, especially
    when it was -zero out!
    
    

    
    	You all have my deepest sympathies - imagine Digital "making" you
    actually *walk* to your car...
    
    	But then none of you had to *walk* to school either, I suppose...
    
    		the Greyhawk

    It's part of the wellness program...

  If anyone puts a note in my car, I will sue , sue and sue again.
  
  Ooops , sorry , I woke up with the wrong persona today.

  SDP

    re .10
    
>  I think part of the problem with some MA facilities is that they designed
> the parking on the assumption that a certain percentage of the workforce would
> use vanpools or carpools. I estimate that 99% of the people in MA and NH drive
> to work in single-occupant vehicles. When you add in visitors, you need 5-10%
> more parking spaces than the headcount of the building.

I many places the government has forced this assumption with the hopes that
it would reduce congestion on the roads and air pollution.  Unfortunately,
as long as parking is "free", people have no incentive to leave their car
at home and travel in groups.

As for the parking problem at SHR; we may actually be at maximum in the
West lot.  (The East lot has space available.)  One of the unused lab areas
in the building was coverted to office space last spring, the creative
parking started shortly after they moved people into it.  It may be getting
worse soon:  an unused computer room is being refurnished; if they put
offices there, there will be no place for those people to park their cars.

Rich

    
    
     Did no one notice the :) :) smily faces;  lighten up;
    and no more hate mail please.
    
    bc

    You whinging whipper snappers.  Why, when I was your age, I had to
    walk the 10 miles from the Maynard Mill Thompson Street employee parking 
    to the front door on Main Street in 8 feet of snow and -40 degrees 
    temp.  You kids have it easy these days.
    
    
    Please note --->    :^) :^)      <---

    
    There is no excuse for this parking habit. There are plenty of spaces
    available at the time that these morons park inappropriately. They do
    it because they can get away with it. Its usually the same people every
    day. 
    
    ed

    Hey....I remember working at PKO in the late 70's when if you got to
    work late (8:15) you had to park in MLO lower-Thompson and take the
    shuttle van back to PKO.
    
    On the other hand, if you got to work early and did get a space, you 
    had to wait a hour to get out of the PKO lots in the evening cause of 
    the traffic jam.
    
    Ah, those were the days.
    
    \Lou

    re: .19
    
    In the mid 80's it was the other way around. If you worked in the
    Mill and got in past 9:00 you had to park at PKO and take a shuttle
    to the Mill. I was an early bird so it never affected me but I know
    some people whom it did. We were even renting space across the street
    from the Mill in a church building, St. Bridgets I do believe.
    
    Jim C.
    

RE: .12

	 Up hill, both ways, thru that hot summer snow.

RE: .19/.20

	Wow... Memories.... I too remember the LONG wait to get out of
	the Parker St. lot.

							mike

here in lkg, the local vp sent around a notice that certain parking practices 
were a safety and civility issue.  rules would be enforced. the next day there
were no improperly parked cars.  this lasted about two days.

many lots have such wide aisles that they almost encourage folks to make
an extra space.

one company i know of does not bother with tickets and notices to managers.
they just paste a "please park properly" sticker on the windshield. folks 
could borrow a scraper for the 15 minutes it took to remove it.  the local 
police issued lots of tickets for driving with obstructed vision to those
that did not bother removing the notice.

i'd be willing to carry a few stickers in my car for the (insert favorite 
slur here) that takes two spaces

    
    	Before we start a "take 2 spaces" war here, let it be known
    	that I do that every day ... but I park about 1/4 mile away
    	from the door and 50+ feet away from the closest car.
    
    	There's a difference between doing it close to the entrance
    	and doing it out in the middle of nowhere.
    

    Re .23:
    
    Hey, if you park 50+ feet away from the closest car, what's the point
    in taking two spaces?  Unless you drive a deuce-and-a-half...
    
    :-) :-)

    
    	No matter how far away from civilization you think you parked,
    	"there's 1 in every crowd" that might just park next to you
    	anyways.
    
    	And if I'm parked diagonally, and they park straight in the
    	next space, they won't hit my car with their door.
    

    
    rep -1
    
    No they won't hit your car with their door, but if they are in a bad
    mood, they may just key your car or something to that effect.
    
    It's kinda funny sometimes what pushes people over the edge, 
    "like what's he special taking up two spaces, when everybody else only
    uses one!"
    
    I park my truck at the end of a row, hoping to only take a couple of
    hits on the drivers side, been lucky so far, no hits since finishing
    the body last summer.
    
    

Here in PKO, there is a parking lot by PKO1 that is always filled up before
9 am.  Next to the parking lot, there is a circular driveway that leads to
one of PKO1 entrance, which is designated as Fire Lane.  People have been
parking along this driveway, and it has gotten out of hand.  People have even
parked along the grass area.

Facilities folks was probably fed up, so they install barriers to block off
the driveway and grass area.  So what do some people do?  They park alongside
the barriers blocking the driveway.

Some people are just INconsiderate.  I'd like to see cars park on their lawn
and block their driveway.

-santa

Dear Sir/Madam:
  You are blocking the access of emergency vehicles to this facility, which
cost $300 million, and which houses 800 Digital employees.  If you intend to
continue this practice, we recommend that you check with your insurance agency
to ensure that you are adequately covered for damage to the building or injury
to the employees who work there.

Dunno what it's like over there, but here, any vehicles which are obstructing 
an emergency access route are liable to be indelicately shunted out of the way 
by an emergency vehicle that's in a hurry.  In a contest between a 0.8 ton 
Vauxhall Astra and a 20 ton Dennis fire engine, I know which one I'd bet on 
for survival!  What I wouldn't like to bet on would be the chances of someone 
getting insurance money to repair a car that was damaged in the course of 
obstructing the path of an emergency vehicle...

Chris.

    
    	Over here, I believe insurance would cover the damage ... but I'd
    	have to say that there would be a deductible since you'd be found
    	at fault.
    
    	Speaking of MA, anyways.
    

    
    	I have always been partial to the big red stickers that said,
    
    	"IF YOU DON'T MOVE THIS CAR, WE WILL!"
    
    
    	Course I'm talking about Chicago where they tow cars as a means
    	of extracting additional municipal revenue. And then you get to
    	find it (in one of 26 lots scattered across 22 square miles)..
    
    	Guaranteed it will only happen once....
    
    		the Greyhawk

    re .31
    
    Made for a great Steve Goodman song, too (Lincoln Park Pirates).

    Be patient, if Digital continues to kick out people at the rate they've
    been doing it over the last couple of years, you'll soon have a lot of
    parking space. That is, if you're still around.
    
    Frans 
                         

    
    	Not when the remaining 25K people are crammed into MRO and MSO.
    
    	8^)
    

    re: .29
    
    Reminds me of a story a friend who used to work on a city fire 
    department told me.  Seems the fire truck got to the fire, and
    there was a little sports car parked by a hydrant, right where 
    the fire truck had to put down one of its hydraulic stabilizer 
    legs.  The little sports car ended up pretty low to the ground....
    

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>    	Not when the remaining 25K people are crammed into MRO and MSO.
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>    	8^)
    
    And don't count on MRO...
    
        8^(

    	It's easier to park in Harvard Square than SHR.
    
    				--D

    Perhaps they could build us SHR'ers covered parking like Fidelity did
    in Marlboro? - smile

    I just found out that my group is moving from MRO1 to SHR in april..
    
    ...tom

>     	It's easier to park in Harvard Square than SHR.

    There's plenty of parking in the SHR east lot, I'm not sure about
    the west side. 

    But the real kicker is the people that park at the ends of the
    rows close to the building, when the rows are NOT EVEN HALF FULL.
    And it's the same people, day after day, in the same spot. There
    might as well be a sign in front of the spot with their name on
    it.

    They park there because it's...

    a. convenient
    b. they're "special"
    c. they've got the &*lls to do it
    d. NO ONE does anything about it, (including security)
    e. all of the above

    Charly

     re.40
    
    Yup, those are the ones.
    
    ed

re: 40

Ditto

    I couldn't agree with you more Charly. It makes me CRAZY every
    morning when I come into SHR3. I park in the east lot at about
    7:45 - 8:00.
    
    There are 100's of empty parking spots, and these lazy/better than
    everyone else individuals park all the way into the firelane. What
    is the thought process of these people?
    
    -Kevin

    re: .43
    
    Ah you've hit the nail on the head. Thought process. They think not
    about anyone but themselves.
    
    Jim C.
    
    

    I have no idea how to solve this problem and nothing to suggest.
    
    But, it reminds me of when I used to live in an apartment complex.  We
    were all supposed to park in designated spots and *not* in the spot
    right at the end of the sidewalk.  It was marked off and all that.  One
    of the residents decided it was their spot.  This was very irritating.
    
    I made a bunch of 8.5"X11" papers that said "TOW ME" in big letters. 
    Whenever I saw that car illegally parked, I slapped one of these on the
    windshield.
    
    Steve

    
    	Maybe Security can "boot" the offenders, or have the cars towed.
    

If they are in the firelane, call the Shrewsbury Police Dept.

    Try getting the local fire department involved. There are members of
    the FD that can write tickets and tow cars. Down here a portion of the
    fine goes to the FD. I also think it is the FD as to what a fire zone
    is.
    
    IMO

    
    	If there are no fire lanes marked as such, does that make a dif-
    	ference?
    
    	I noticed that the MRO parking lot doesn't have marked fire lanes,
    	although we obviously have marked parking spaces.
    
    	It should be quite obvious, of course ... it is to me, anyways.
    

    
    	We don't have anything that specifically is marked "fire lane". And
    besides, this is security's job. Do we just pay these guys to look in
    our bags?
    
    ed

When the MRO parking lots were restriped last year, they painted orange
diagonal lines at the end of each aisle, to remind the "special" people that a
parking space has a white line on *both* sides and that everything else is an
aisle for driving.

I only saw one person actually move a cone to park there.  He must have been
very important.

Now that the cones are gone, some people still park on the big orange lines.
Keep in mind that the parking lots at MRO are never, ever full.

Paul