Conference 7.286::digital

    I read somewhere (Fleet) that the Taurus is being dropped and that
    our only choice will be the Celebrity.  I also recall the mention
    of a V6 engine as standard rather that the present 4 banger.  
    I can't remember where I read this but it was in writing.
    
    C_to_Z
    
    Las Vega$
    

    re: .1
    
    The no-Taurus-just-Celeb-V6 move was for the end of the 1989 model
    year (last I heard).  It had to do with the very long delivery time
    of the very popular Taurus.  I haven't heard anything at all about
    the 1990 model year.
    
    -- Russ (who is interested, because his Celeb should hit 60K around
             December)

    .2 is Correct.  I was wondering since the Celebrity won't be offered
    next year, what migh replace it?
    
    Dick

    re .0,.1,.2,.3
    
    I assume you're talking about the US, right?
    
    The most popular company cars in my office are (not in any order):
    
    Magna, Commodore, Falcon & Skyline.

       RE: .3
       
       	Probably the new Chevy Lumina. (Looks like a smoother Celeb.)
       
       						mike

    Ref: .4
    
    Are those the cars you have to select from when you are in Singapore?
    
    Can't you get a Honda, "Made in the US" car?
    
    Just wondering,
   
    Les

    re .-1
    
    My fault for the confusion.  I'm actually from Oz, although I'm
    here to help them on a large project.  So the cars listed refer
    to CAO.  I was trying to make a point about ethnocentricity.  For
    example, SPR's rules are very different to the US.  Those eligible
    for cars get a dollar figure based on their job/level and get to
    choose their car within certain fairly loose limits (no turbos or
    4WD).  Digital handles all the leasing etc.  If you exceed the dollar
    figure you pay the difference on the lease (I exceeded my figure
    by only $200, hence over thre years it's costing me about $3 a week).
                                                                  
    The locals in Singapore don't get company cars.  Singapore    
    has a 175% import duty on cars which makes their cost prohibitive.
    I'm not sure what the offsets are.
    
    So, it doesn't make sense to talk about Digital's car plan (or
    Digital's anything else plan).  There's no such beast.  If people
    want to talk about the Digital USA car plan then fine, I'll ignore
    it, because it's of no interest to me.  I was just annoyed by seeing
    yet again this subconscious attitude that America is the centre
    of the known universe.  It isn't - remember, international sales
    have exceeded US sales for the first time and are booming, whereas
    you guys look set for a recession!  (I wonder if DEC Europe will
    buy Maynard?)

    Seeing as how DEC was founded in *AMERICA*,it's therefore an *AMERICAN*
    company.It's only natural that employees who work in the company's
    home country discuss matters of concern to them.Sorry if we stepped
    on your toes.We'll try harder.

re.8:

So much for one company.

dave.

	See topic 780 for attitudes about DEC as a US or as a global
	company.

			Alfred

        With regard to the topic note:  If you have a business reason to
        need to know the answer to the question you're posing, then I
        suspect you could get the U. S. Fleet Administration office to
        share the information with you, if they've decided.  You can find
        the various phone numbers in the classified section of the Digital
        Telephone Directory, under "FLEET ADMINISTRATION". You could start
        with the office of the Fleet Manager, DTN 223-5000, PKO3-2/F15.
        
        I don't know whether the Fleet Administration people would
        consider this sensitive business information, but I suspect that
        if they were in the middle of negotiations for the pricing for the
        1990 acquisitions, they would prefer that the identity of vendors
        on the "short list" not be disclosed.  For that reason, unless
        someone has a copy of an "official announcement" to post, please
        keep speculation out of this conference.
        
        Tom
        in my moderator role

    >You can find the various phone numbers in the classified section of the
    >Digital Telephone Directory, under "FLEET ADMINISTRATION". You could
    >start with the office of the Fleet Manager, DTN 223-5000, PKO3-2/F15.
           
    
    That's a great idea WHEN they answer their phones!!  I have been
    trying to get them for a couple of days now.

    Re: .11
    
    Sorry Tom, but to those in the field, this may be very funny (only
    if they have a sense of humor left).
    
    When in the office, it is hard enough to get information out of
    corporate whatever, but when one is in the field, using customer phones
    calling the local office asking for DTN XXX-YYYY, forget it.  Try it
    sometime Tom. 

        Steve, hard though it may be for you to believe this, it's
        not the job of anyone in "corporate" to provide the kind of
        information that's being sought in this topic by replying to
        this note.  If you have a business need for the information,
        you can seek it through a business channel.  If it's just idle
        curiosity, then you're on your own.  You have a manager, right?
        Ask your manager to get the information for you, if you have
        a business justification.  If not, then catch as catch can.
        
        Tom

    Can any one provide the date when Digital switches to the 1990 cars?
    I thought it was sometime in September, but I could be wrong....
    
    
    	   	And my manager has no idea when the date is.
    
    Ken

    There are two important dates and they seem to be controlled by the
    Auto Manufacturers.  The first date is the last date in the Car year
    that you can order a new car.  When the manufacturers start to retool
    for the next car year, special orders stop.  This is about the time
    that dealers start clearance sales.  The second date is when orders can
    flow again.  You might try calling fleet or your local fleet
    coordinator and see what the dates are.
    
    Larry

    Does anyone know what kind of cars  are being given out in the '90
    year?
    
    /paul

    I heard Chevy Lumina.

    I called Fleet Admin and was told that the list will not be available
    until after August 25, 1989. Part of the reason is that there is
    negotiating on what the models would be and what the delivery time
    is.
    

    Well, I just called fleet administration and they told me they are to
    make the decision the third week in September.  They are not
    considering cancelling the plan again, are they?  I HAVE NOT heard any
    rumers to confirm, nor deny this.  I was just wondering if they are
    considering it as a cost cutting measure.
    
    	Rob,

    I think this would be an OUTSTANDING cost-cutting maneuver. We would
    not only save the piddling cost of the vehicles, but the enormous
    salaries of the 3-4,000 employees who would probably quit this time.
    
    (Oh gosh ... is this sacraligious? Can I be fired for talking like
    this? I hope not ... I don't even have a car).
    
    /se
    

    I wonder how many people are in the same situation that I'm in.
    
    I had a company car and it got destroyed in July.  I said to myself,
    "Self, why don't you wait until the '90s come out, they are usually
    announced sometime late July early august."  So, I waited, and waited,
    and waited.  I called towards the middle of august, they said, "We'll
    not be able to tell you until the 25th of august."  Ok, I'll wait.
    August 30,  "Can you tell me what the car of the '90s will be?"
    	 them:   I'm sorry, we haven't made a decision yet, we are expecting
    	     to make one the first week in september.
    
    September 7, "Can you tell me what the car of the '90s will be?"
    	them:   We haven't made a decision yet, we are expecting around the
    	     end of the month to the beginning of next month for the decision.
             Your Fleet coordinator will have the information to destribute to
             you when we have made our decision.
    
    
    
    Would any of you call this a "SNOW JOB"?
    
    /p

    reply .22
    
    I am having a similar problem. I called Friday 9/1/89 since they
    told me to call. I was told that it has been pushed back til the
    end of September. They are giving me the same dog and pony show
    that they've given you. So you are not alone...
    

    Not only was I strung along in the same manner, but the last
    time I called, they said "the list will be out Sept 25, but delivery
    probably won't happen till December or so" (!!!!!)
    I wonder if someone has forgotten that this affects peoples lives...
    What do I do when my DECmobile dies and there's no replacement for
    6 months?  Buy a car and switch to plan B (Maybe thats the plan)
    
    Kevin

    I got a note from our fleet administrator this morning stating that new
    car orders will start in October with anticipated 12 week delivery
    from time of order.  No info on what cars though.
    
    Larry TELGAR::Wakeman(la)

    > What do I do when my DECmobile dies and there's no replacement for 6
    > months?  
    
    Rent one and expense it.
    
    							Pat

    re:  delaying tactics ...
    
    I can't seriously believe that fleet is delaying new car ordering just
    to force people to go to Plan B or to save money, because the opposite
    will happen.  I am in the same position as previous 'noters;  my DEC
    vehicle had several things break at once, and GELCO decided to surplus
    it.  Right at the moment I'm driving a rental (at nnn bucks a week)
    until my emergency order is approved and the car arrives.  I can't
    see how forcing people to rent cars and use the emergency order process
    could save money in any way, nor do I see anybody going out to buy a
    car when they are perfectly within their rights to ask for an emergency
    order.  So I guess it must be just plain old red tape ...
    
    Geoff
    

    Your experiences with Car Plan A sounds similar to what we experienced
    up here in Canada.  When I joined DEC last November I was told the
    new car plan for 1989 would be out shortly .... well shortly ended
    up being sometime in February ..... then by the time the paperwork
    went through, the car was ordered and delivered it was the end of
    July .... I got my 89 Taurus just in time for the 1990 model
    introductions.  I had an 86 Celeb to drive in the meantime so there
    was no pain, but it was showing its age and needed hefty repairs.
    
    Another wonderful idea our Fleet people came up with was the policy
    of no driver paid options for the car.  Pick the car, pick the color
    and that's it.  You say you wanted a cassette play to listen to
    your Digital DVN cassettes .... sorry not possible.  Oh, but by the
    way whitewall tires are included!  :-)
    
    I recently rented a Lumina.  Good performance with the 3.1 liter V6,
    but typical GM interior .... front seat with no support, limited
    instrumentation (poorly placed), power window controls that are
    awkward, door handles that are flimsy, teeny glovebox ... let's just
    say I wouldn't rush out to get one.  If this is GM's answer to Ford's
    growing market share, then I would sell any GM shares I owned.  Who
    knows, maybe the swoopy lines and GM marketing may beat solid
    engineering and design (sound familiar in the computer world?   :-) ) 
    
    My Celebrity was roomier and better laid out though it also lacked any
    support on the front bench seats.  Its four banger was a drag and its
    mushy suspension not very inspiring.  As for my new Taurus with the V6
    .... it beats the heck out of both!
    
    Just my 2 cents worth! 
    
    Martin

    Another update on the car decision.  It should be announced the middle
    of October now.  Postponed again

    Has anyone heard any details on the new fleet plan for the U.S.
    area. I'm in field service and my car is getting close to trade-in
    time.
    
      Thanks,
         Michael

I talked to fleet lst Thursday.  I got:
"We still don't have the list yet.  We hope to have it out in a couple of
weeks, but then we've been saying that for some time now"

  (me)  "What's the holdup?"

"Don't ask me! I just answer the phones!!"


So thats where it stands: nowhere.  One other point hs that they estimate
a 2-3 month lead time after they open the floodgates...

Kevin

     Being in Field Service, I wonder if part of the delay is due to
    the fact that Ford is one of the few car makers to offer a true
    wagon in a 1990 model. As I understand it GM has replaced its wagons
    with something that looks more like a van. If this is true, they
    could be having trouble deciding if they should keep wagons on the
    list or make a change. Which in my opinion would be a good idea,
    because,I don't think we need the cargo space of a wagon the way
    we have in the years before.
    
    Just my guess,
         Michael  

    I just got a Chevy (1990) book two days ago.  It did have the new
    "mini van" as well as station wagons.
    
    Serv

    ref: 33
    
     What model did Chevy offer in a wagon?
    
           Just Curious,
               Michael in Va.
    

    I'll check tonight
    
    Serv
    

I just got off the phone with the folks at fleet, since my Plan A vehicle also needs replacing.
They are a little dismayed about all the misinformation that's appearing here and that some
people are making decisions based on rumor and conjecture.  I suggested that they partricipate 
directly here, but that's another story.  They did want me to encourage folks to contact them 
by phone directly @ DTN 223-1322, 1323, 1324.  There are three folks responsible for addressing
New Cars -- contrary to earlier assertions here, they tell me they spend a lot of time on the
phones talking with people that contact them directly to get the facts and get them straight.

So, if you have a question about New Cars, contact Fleet Administration directly at 223-1322
and talk with Joan McKenzie, Linda Cassidy, and Greg Folks(?).  I spoke with Joan and she 
assured me that any of them are available to answer your questions.  And NO, the new car plan is
not yet established.  Call them every two weeks for an update.

Steve

    This is somewhat related to 1990 Company Cars and FLEET but if the
    moderators want to, feel free to move this note to a discussion of its
    own.
    
    I have wondered why information such as is being questioned here is not
    available via a VTX infobase.  There is a VTX FLEET infobase but if you
    access it it gives you FLEET information for the UK.  Not that there is
    anything wrong with this but why is there not the same type of infobase
    for FLEET in the US.  Based on discussions in various notes in this
    notes file, it seems to me that much of the information that people are
    looking for could be disseminated via VTX.
    
    Just wondering...

	Being upset about misinformation here and being unwilling to correct
	it here are, to me, contridictary positions. 

				Alfred

        I agree 100% with that Alfred wrote.  If Fleet Administration is
        concerned about what's happening here, all they have to do is
        provide accurate and timely information.  They could either use
        Notes themselves to post it here, or they could ask any of the
        moderators of this conference to post a memorandum on their
        behalf.  Good grief, here's a high-bandwidth communication
        channel available for their use!
        
        Tom

    RE: Chevy wagons
    
    1990's available in the brochure are:
    
    	Cavalier
    	Celebrity
    	Caprice Classic

    Serv

Re: .38

Ok Ok!  I suggested that they post 'correct' info here.  They declined, but did
ask that I post my little blurb.  I decided that doing that was better than
nothing at all.

I agree that they should consider seriously posting good info here to correct
the dis/mis-information.  However, I suspect that for some reason they (along
with much of this corporation) do not consider Notes to be an official form of
communication.

They did mention that they are looking into using VTX for the upcoming year.  I
got the impression that this would be dependent on them obtaining some
technical support for VTX, that they didn't have it in-house (and therefore
might not be able to do it without additional help).

Steve

        Just for starters, they could probably get U.S. Fleet updates
        posted on LiveWire, which is accessible throughout the U.S.
        I doubt they'd have to do anything particular fancy.  They
        might try contacting GRIMLY::LW @VMSMAIL to learn more about
        what they'd have to do.  Enough people watch LiveWire that
        if there were anything relevant posted there, it would most
        likely be cross-posted here inside of 24 hours.
        
        Tom

    They could also contact the Corporate Videotex Program at
    IAMOK::CVP or CVP @VRO. I would assume that they could provide
    some assistance in acquiring technical support for a separate
    VTX infobase.

    			Alfred

    Our secretary talked to someone in fleet on Wednesday.  She wanted to
    know if we could go ahead and just order the Lumina off of last years
    forms.  She was told that Chevy was not going to be the vender of
    choice.  They still didn't know what car's would be on the list, but
    she didn't think that the Lumina would be... 
    
    Has anyone else heard this, or any other exciting news... 
    
    Jeff

    I just heard from one of the manager's here, that the choices are
    Ford Taurus, Ford Tempo and Pontiac 6000. Field Engineers can get
    Celebrity wagons (not sure about that one).
    
    Anyone else hear this? or seen forms yet?
    

re: .45

Yes, that agrees with the memo I got from my manager today.

Delivery is 10-12 weeks for sedans and 14-16 for wagons according to the memo.

Bob

    The DECspress message distributed to the field follows... (663 lines)
    
********************************************************************************
			       URGENT DECspress
FROM:  Rick Catino, U.S. Fleet Administration, DTN 223-5000
SUBJ:  1990 FLEET CAR SELECTION
********************************************************************************

                 1990 U.S. FLEET ADMINISTRATION 	
                      VEHICLE SELECTOR FORM

The model selections for 1990 have been finalized.  The sedan choices will
include Pontiac 6000, Ford Tempo and the Ford Taurus.   The station wagon
choices for Customer Service Engineers will be the Ford Taurus and Chevrolet
Celebrity.  The following is a list of standard equipment.  Also, for your
convenience, we have included the Driver Paid Option Forms which provide
detail regarding available options. 

Please photocopy the appropriate forms and distribute to all drivers
requesting driver paid optional equipment.  A personal check or money order
should be made payable to Digital Equipment Corporation and must accompany the
application if optional equipment is purchased. 

A color matrix has been attached for your reference in choosing your interior
and exterior color choices.  In the event color combination choices are
discontinued by the manufacturer during the model year without notification,
your second choice combination will be automatically selected. 

Drivers who have previously submitted applications for 1990 vehicles will be
contacted by phone to confirm vehicle selection and information. 

Please remind your drivers a current (not to exceed six months) certified
driving record (from the Department of Motor Vehicles) must accompany all new
vehicle applications. 

The lead time on delivery for sedans is approximately 10 - 12 weeks, and lead
time on delivery for station wagons is approximately 14 - 16 weeks. 

If your U.S. Fleet Plan A Applications form supply has been depleted, please
order form #EN-02382-10-0000-(1AG) from Northboro Digital Printing.  (DTN
234-4323, or 508-351-4323) 

As a result of a recent federal ruling, an Odometer Disclosure Statement must
be completed for all fleet vehicles which are scheduled to be traded or sold. 
Please photocopy the attached Odometer Disclosure Statement if you do not have
an ample supply.  By law, we cannot dispose of used vehicles without this form. 
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							11/20/89
FORD TAURUS L SEDAN:

Company Provided Equipment

3.0 Liter Engine 6 Cylinder 	       Automatic/OD Transmission
Power Steering			       Power Brakes
Air Conditioning		       Tinted Glass
P205/70RX14 Black Wall Tires	       Full Wheel Covers
AM/FM Stereo Cassette		       Rear Window Defroster
Body Side Molding		       Front Floor Mats
Air Bag Restraint System	       Interval Wipers
Digital Clock			       Dual Remote Mirrors
Tilt Wheel			       Front Wheel Drive
Gauges/Trip Odometer
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DRIVER PAID OPTIONS - 1990 FORD TAURUS L SEDAN		11/20/89
Check the option code with dollar cost of the option(s) you 
desire.
[ ]   12Y    Rear Floor Mats			 $19.00
[ ]   613    Fuel Door/Decklid Release		 $82.00
[ ]   943    Light Group			 $53.00
[ ]   T7G    White Wall Tires			 $72.00
[ ]   962    Power Door Locks			$183.00
[ ]   67R    Auto Park/Brake Release		 $11.00
[ ]   525    Cruise Control			$171.00
[ ]   524    Leather Wheel/Cruise		$228.00
[ ]   53A    Power Driver Seat			$233.00
[ ]   43R    Power Windows			$273.00
[ ]   642    Finned Wheel Covers		 $58.00
[ ]   13H    Engine Block Heater		 $18.00
[ ]   P52    GL Package #1
      	     Rear Seat Center Arm Rest/Dual 
      	     Visor Vanity Mirrors/Front 
      	     Headrests/Cargo Tie Down Net	$447.00
[ ]   204A   All Options Included in P52 Plus
      	     Light Group/6 Way Power Driver 
      	     Seat/Power Door Locks/Power 
      	     Windows/Paint Stripe/Finned Wheel 
      	     Covers/Rocker Panel Moldings/Speed 
      	     Control/Remote Fuel Filler Door/
      	     Deck Lid Release/Premium Sound   	$1,453.00
THE FOLLOWING OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE ONLY ON THE GL UPGRADE PACKAGES
[ ]   51Q    Cornering Lamps			 $61.00
[ ]   91H    Power Antenna			 $67.00
[ ]   552    Anti Lock Brakes -  Requires 204A	$880.00
[ ]   47J    Illuminated Entry System		 $72.00
[ ]   677    Illuminated Visor Mirrors		 $89.00
[ ]   913    Premium Sound			$150.00
[ ]   64K    Cast Alum Whls -
      	     requires 15"BSW T32		$307.00
[ ]   64J    Styled Road Wheels			$172.00	 
[ ]   586    High Level Audio System		$421.00
[ ]   142    Diagnostic	Instrument Cluster       $80.00
[ ]   917    CD Player/High Level Audio		$860.00
[ ]   53J    Dual Power Seats			$466.00
[ ]   972    Paint Stripe			 $55.00
A check must accompany the U.S. Fleet Plan Application for optional 
equipment (CERTIFIED CHECKS ARE NOT REQUIRED).  Checks must be made 
payable to Digital Equipment Corporation.
      	     		      DISCLAIMER
With regard to driver optional equipment, I understand and agree that 
after installation such equipment becomes a permanent part of the 
fleet vehicle and may not be removed by me.  Furthermore, I agree that 
I have no right or equity in such optional equipment and accordingly, 
I shall have no claim for a refund of the charges personally paid by 
me for this equipment.
Employee Signature__________________________Badge_______Date________

Cost Center Manager_________________________Badge_______Date________
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							11/20/89

			1990 FORD TAURUS L SEDAN
                             COLOR MATRIX

EXTERIOR                   INTERIOR                                 
---------------------------------------------------------------------
	    |BLACK     |LIGHT SANDALWOOD  |CURRANT RED	 |CRYSTAL BLUE
---------------------------------------------------------------------
SANDALWOOD  |   X      |		  |		 |
---------------------------------------------------------------------
MEDIUM	    |	       |         X	  |		 |
SANDALWOOD  |	       |		  |		 |
---------------------------------------------------------------------
WOODROSE    |   X      |		  |		 |
---------------------------------------------------------------------
CURRANT RED |   X      |		  |      X	 |
---------------------------------------------------------------------
CRYSTAL	    |	       |		  |		 |     X
BLUE	    |	       |		  |		 |	      
---------------------------------------------------------------------
TWILIGHT    |	       |		  |		 |     X
BLUE	    |	       |		  |		 |
--------------------------------------------------------------------- 
BLACK	    |   X      |         X	  |      X	 |    X
---------------------------------------------------------------------
LIGHT	    |   X      |		  |      X	 |	      
TITANIUM    |	       |		  |		 |
--------------------------------------------------------------------- 
OXFORD	    |   X      |         X	  |      X	 |     X      
WHITE	    |	       |		  |		 |	      
---------------------------------------------------------------------
DEEP	    |   X      |          	  |      X	 |	      
TITANIUM    |	       |		  |		 |
---------------------------------------------------------------------


ALL COLORS SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE BY INDIVIDUAL 
MANUFACTURERS.
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							11/20/89

                         1990 TAURUS GL SEDAN
                             COLOR MATRIX

EXTERIOR                   INTERIOR                                 
---------------------------------------------------------------------
	    |BLACK     |CRYSTAL    |LIGHT	 |CINNABAR  |CURRANT  
	    |	       |BLUE	   |SANDALWOOD	 |	    |RED      
---------------------------------------------------------------------
SANDALWOOD  |   X      |	   |     X	 |	    |
---------------------------------------------------------------------
MEDIUM	    |	       |           |     X	 |	    |
SANDALWOOD  |	       |	   |		 |	    |
---------------------------------------------------------------------
MEDIUM	    |	       |	   |		 |	    |
WOODROSE    |	       |	   |		 |     X    |	      
---------------------------------------------------------------------
WOODROSE    |   X      |	   |		 |     X    |
---------------------------------------------------------------------
CURRANT RED |   X      |	   |      	 |	    |    X
---------------------------------------------------------------------
CRYSTAL	    |	       |     X	   |		 |     	    |
BLUE	    |	       |	   |		 |	    |
---------------------------------------------------------------------
TWILIGHT    |	       |     X	   |		 |     	    |
BLUE	    |	       |	   |		 |	    |
--------------------------------------------------------------------
BLACK	    |   X      |           |      X	 |     X    |   X
--------------------------------------------------------------------
LIGHT	    |   X      |	   |      	 |	    |    X
TITANIUM    |	       |	   |		 |	    |
--------------------------------------------------------------------- 
OXFORD	    |   X      |     X	   |      X	 |     X    |    X
WHITE	    |	       |	   |		 |	    |	      
---------------------------------------------------------------------
DEEP	    |   X      |           |      	 |	    |    X
TITANIUM    |	       |	   |		 |	    |
---------------------------------------------------------------------


ALL COLORS SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE BY INDIVIDUAL 
MANUFACTURERS.
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PONTIAC 6000 LE SEDAN:					11/20/89

COMPANY PROVIDED EQUIPMENT

3.1 Liter 6 Cylinder Engine	       Power Steering
Power Brakes			       Automatic Transmission
Air Conditioning		       Tinted Glass
P185/75R14 Black Wall Tires	       AM/FM Stereo Cassette w/Clock
Rear Window Defroster		       Front and Rear Mats
Wheel Covers			       Left Hand Remote Mirror
Right Hand Manual Mirror	       Body Side Molding
Front Wheel Drive		       Right Visor Mirror
Inside Hood Release
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

							11/20/89

DRIVER PAID OPTIONS - 1990 PONTIAC 6000 LE SEDAN

Check the option code and dollar cost of the option(s) you desire.
A check must accompany the U.S. Fleet Plan Application for optional 
equipment.  

Check must be made payable to Digital Equipment Corporation.

[ ] 1SB	     Tilt/Pulse Wipers			$170.00
[ ] 1SC	     Cruise/Tilt/Pulse Wipers		$344.00
[ ] AU3	     Power Door Locks			$192.00
[ ] QFF	     White Wall Tires			 $61.00
[ ] A31	     Power Windows			$277.00
[ ] AM6	     55/45 Cloth Split Bench		$119.00
[ ] F40	     Heavy Duty Suspension		 $14.00
[ ] B20	     Power Reclining Seats/Gauges	$431.00
[ ] 1SD	     Tilt/Pulse Wipers/Cruise/
    	     Power Locks/Power Windows/
    	     6 Way Drivers Seat/Rear View 
    	     Mirror with Lamps/
    	     Power Trunk Release	      $1,118.00		      

A check must accompany the U.S. Fleet Plan Application for optional 
equipment (CERTIFIED CHECKS ARE NOT REQUIRED).  Checks must be 
made payable to Digital Equipment Corporation.

    	     		      DISCLAIMER

With regard to driver optional equipment, I understand and agree that 
after installation such equipment becomes a permanent part of the 
fleet vehicle and may not be removed by me.  Furthermore, I agree that 
I have no right or equity in such optional equipment and accordingly, 
I shall have no claim for a refund of the charges personally paid by 
me for this equipment.

Employee Signature __________________________Badge_______Date________

Cost Center Manager__________________________Badge_______Date________
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							11/20/89

                      1990 PONTIAC 6000 LE SEDAN
                             COLOR MATRIX
 
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EXTERIOR          |                      INTERIOR
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            |MAPLE RED | CAMEL     | MEDIUM GREY |  DARK BLUE        
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WHITE       |     X    |    X      |     X       |      X
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SILVER      |     X    |           |     X	 |      X
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MEDIUM GRAY |          |           |     X	 |    
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LIGHT BLUE  |          |           |             |      X
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DARK BLUE   |          |           |     X       |      X
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BLACK	    |          |     X     |     X       |
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FLAME RED   |    X     |     X     |      X      |
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ALL EXTERIOR COLORS ARE METALLIC AT NO EXTRA COST EXCEPT BLACK AND 
WHITE.

ALL COLORS SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE BY INDIVIDUAL 
MANUFACTURERS.
        						
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FORD TEMPO GL SEDAN:					11/20/89

COMPANY PROVIDED EQUIPMENT 

4 Cylinder 2.3 Liter Engine	       Power Steering
Air Conditioning		       P185/70RX14 B/S/W Tires
AM/FM Stereo Cassette with Clock       Front and Rear Floor Mats
Interval Wipers 		       Rear Defroster
Heavy Duty Battery (58 AMP)	       Automatic Transmission
Power Brakes			       Tinted Glass
Deluxe Wheel Covers		       Body Side Molding
Parking Brake			       Front Wheel Drive
Inside Hood Release		       Dual Visor Mirrors
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DRIVER PAID OPTIONS - 1990 FORD TEMPO GL SEDAN		11/20/89

Check the option code and dollar cost of the option(s) you desire.
A check must accompany the U.S. Fleet Plan Application for optional 
equipment.  

Check must be made payable to Digital Equipment Corporation.

[ ] 64J	     14 Inch Polycast Wheel Cover	$174.00
[ ] Q	     Vinyl Low Back Bucket Seat		 $31.00
[ ] 943	     Light Group	 		 $34.00
[ ] T7K	     White Wall Tires 			 $72.00
[ ] 963	     Power Door Locks/Remote Deck Lid	$266.00
[ ] 525	     Speed Control (N/A with Airbag)	$171.00
[ ] 52Q	     Tilt Wheel (N/A with Airbag)	$111.00
[ ] 59H	     Air Bag Restraint System		$727.00
[ ] 54J	     Dual Remote Control Mirrors	$108.00
[ ] 226B     Light Group/Power Door Locks/
    	     Tilt Wheel/Dual Electric Remote 
    	     Control Mirrors/Poly Cast Wheels	$693.00
[ ] 43R	     Power Windows Includes 226B	$792.00
[ ] 53A      Power Drivers Seats Includes 226B	$752.00
[ ] 913	     Premium Sound Includes 226B	$816.00

A check must accompany the U.S. Fleet Plan Application for optional 
equipment (CERTIFIED CHECKS ARE NOT REQUIRED).  Checks must be 
made payable to Digital Equipment Corporation.

    	     		      DISCLAIMER

With regard to driver optional equipment, I understand and agree that 
after installation such equipment becomes a permanent part of the 
fleet vehicle and may not be removed by me.  Furthermore, I agree that 
I have no right or equity in such optional equipment and accordingly, 
I shall have no claim for a refund of the charges personally paid by 
me for this equipment.

Employee Signature __________________________Badge_______Date________

Cost Center Manager__________________________Badge_______Date________
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							11/20/89

                       1990 FORD TEMPO GL SEDAN
                             COLOR MATRIX
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EXTERIOR    |	       		   INTERIOR
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	    |LIGHT     | TITANIUM  | SCARLET RED | CRYSTAL BLUE
	    |SANDALWOOD|	   |		 |	    
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ALABASTER   |   X      |           |             |  
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SANDALWOOD  |   X      |           |             |
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STRAWBERRY  |          |     X     |       X     |  
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MEDIUM RED  |          |     X     |       X     |  
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CRYSTAL	    |          |           |             |    X 
BLUE	    |	       |	   |		 |	    
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SPINNAKER   |          |           |             |    X
BLUE	    |	       |	   |		 |	       
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TWILIGHT    |          |     X	   |             |    X  
BLUE	    |	       |	   |		 |    
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BLACK       |     X    |     X     |        X    |    
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LIGHT 	    |          |     X     |        X    |     X 
TITANIUM    |	       |	   |		 |	      
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DEEP 	    |          |     X     |        X    |   
TITANIUM    |	       |	   |		 |    
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OXFORD 	    |    X     |     X     |     X    	 |     X
WHITE       |	       |	   |		 |	    
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MEDIUM 	    |    X     |	   |		 |	    	      
SANDALWOOD  |          |	   |		 | 
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ALL COLORS SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE BY INDIVIDUAL 
MANUFACTURERS.

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							11/20/89

CELEBRITY STATION WAGON - CUSTOMER SERVICE ENGINEERS ONLY:

COMPANY PROVIDED EQUIPMENT

6 Cylinder 3.1 Liter Engine	       Automatic/OD Transmission
Power Steering			       Power Brakes
Air Conditioning		       Tinted Glass
P185/75RX14 Black Wall Tires	       Full Wheel Covers
Rear Window Defroster		       Body Side Molding
Cruise Control			       Rear Window Wiper Washer
Left Hand Remote Mirror 	       Right Hand Manual Mirror
AM/FM stereo Cassette with Clock       Front Wheel Drive
Intermittent Wipers		       Side Window Defrosters
Scotch Guard Fabric Protector	       Security Alarm
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							11/20/89

DRIVER PAID OPTIONS - 1990 CELEBRITY STATION WAGON - CUSTOMER   
SERVICE ENGINEERS ONLY:

Check the option code and dollar cost of the option(s) you desire.

[ ]   U39    Gauge Package 			 $57.00
[ ]   D68    Dual Remote Sport Mirrors 		 $27.00
[ ]   M33    Tilt Wheel 			$120.00
[ ]   AU3    Power Door Locks 			$192.00
[ ]   QFF    White Wall Tires			 $61.00		      
[ ]   AU6    Power Tailgate Release 		 $58.00
[ ]   A31    Power Windows 			$263.00
[ ]   C**3   55/45 Cloth Split Bench 		$119.00
[ ]   AG1    Power Driver Seat 			$241.00
[ ]   A83    Reclining Electric Seats		$217.00
      	     (includes Split Bench Seat)
[ ]   ZV8    Eurosport Package 			$205.00
      	     (Red Rub Strips/Special Sport 
      	     Suspension/Rallye Wheels)

A check must accompany the U.S. Fleet Plan Application for optional 
equipment (CERTIFIED CHECKS ARE NOT REQUIRED).  Checks must be 
made payable to Digital Equipment Corporation.

      	     		      DISCLAIMER

With regard to driver optional equipment, I understand and agree that 
after installation such equipment becomes a permanent part of the 
fleet vehicle and may not be removed by me.  Furthermore, I agree that 
I have no right or equity in such optional equipment and accordingly, 
I shall have no claim for a refund of the charges personally paid by 
me for this equipment.

Employee Signature __________________________Badge_______Date________


Cost Center Manager__________________________Badge_______Date________
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							11/20/89

                     1990 CELEBRITY STATION WAGON
                             COLOR MATRIX

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	EXTERIOR    |INTERIOR
	--------------------------------------------------
		    |DARK BLUE |LT BROWN   |  GRAY    
	--------------------------------------------------
	DARK BLUE   |     X    |	   |     X                  
	METALLIC    |	       |	   |		 
	__________________________________________________
	LIGHT BLUE  |     X    |	   |             
	METALLIC    |	       |	   |		 
	--------------------------------------------------
	DARK BROWN  |          |      X	   |		 
	METALLIC    |	       |	   |		 
	--------------------------------------------------
	MEDIUM GRAY |          |	   |      X	 
	METALLIC    |	       |	   |		 
	--------------------------------------------------
	MEDIUM MAROON|         |       X   |      X	 
	METALLIC    |	       |	   |		 
	--------------------------------------------------
	SILVER 	    |     X    |           |      X	 
	METALLIC    |	       |	   |		 
	--------------------------------------------------
	WHITE	    |     X    |      X    |      X	 
	--------------------------------------------------
	ALL COLORS SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE BY 
	INDIVIDUAL MANUFACTURERS.

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							11/20/89

FORD TAURUS L STATION WAGON - CUSTOMER SERVICE ENGINEERS ONLY:

COMPANY PROVIDED EQUIPMENT

6 Cylinder 3.0 Liter Engine	       Automatic/OD transmission
Power Steering			       Power Brakes
Air Conditioning		       Tinted Glass
P205/70RX14 Black Wall Tires	       Full Wheel Covers
AM/FM Stereo Cassette Player	       Intermittent Wipers
Rear Defroster			       Luggage Rack
Front Floor Mats		       Digital Clock
Air Bag Restraint System	       Front Stabilizer Bar
Heavy Duty Suspension		       Body Side Molding
Dual Remote Mirrors		       Speed Control
Rear Window Wiper Washer	       Front Wheel Drive
Gauges/Trip Odometer		       Fold Down Rear Seat
Security Alarm
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DRIVER PAID OPTIONS - 1990 FORD TAURUS L STATION WAGON - 	11/20/89
CUSTOMER SERVICE ENGINEERS ONLY:
Check the option code with dollar cost of the option(s) you desire.
[ ]   12Y    Rear Floor Mats			 $19.00
[ ]   18K    Fuel Door, Release	Remote		 $37.00
[ ]   943    Light Group			 $53.00
[ ]   T7G    White Wall Tires			 $72.00
[ ]   962    Power Door Locks			$183.00
[ ]   67R    Auto Park/Brake Release		 $11.00
[ ]   524    Leather Wheel			 $57.00
[ ]   53A    Power Driver Seat			$233.00
[ ]   43R    Power Windows			$273.00
[ ]   642    Finned Wheel Covers		 $58.00
[ ]   13H    Engine Block Heater		 $18.00
[ ]   534    Third Facing Rear Seat		$139.00
[ ]   P57    GL Package #1
      	     Dual Visor Vanity Mirrors/Front 
      	     Headrests/Cargo Tie Down Net	$447.00
[ ]   204A   All Options Included in P52 plus
      	     Light Group/6 Way Power Driver 
      	     Seat/Power Door Locks/Power 
      	     Windows/Paint Stripe/Finned Wheel 
      	     Covers/Rocker Panel Moldings/Remote 
      	     Fuel Filler Door/Deck Lid Release/
      	     Premium Sound		      	$1,453.00
The following options are available only on the GL Upgrade Packages:
[ ]   51Q    Cornering Lamps			 $61.00
[ ]   91H    Power Antenna			 $67.00
[ ]   47J    Illuminated Entry System		 $72.00
[ ]   677    Illuminated Visor Mirrors		 $89.00
[ ]   913    Premium Sound			$150.00
[ ]   64K    Cast Alum Whls -
      	     Requires 15"BSW T32		$307.00
[ ]   64J    Styled Road Wheels			$172.00	 
[ ]   586    High Level Audio System		$421.00
[ ]   142    Diagnostic	Instrument Cluster       $80.00
[ ]   917    CD Player/High Level Audio		$860.00
[ ]   53J    Dual Power Seats			$466.00
[ ]   972    Paint Stripe			 $55.00
A check must accompany the U.S. Fleet Plan Application for optional 
equipment (CERTIFIED CHECKS ARE NOT REQUIRED).  Checks must be made 
payable to Digital Equipment Corporation.
      	     		      DISCLAIMER
With regard to driver optional equipment, I understand and agree that 
after installation such equipment becomes a permanent part of the 
fleet vehicle and may not be removed by me.  Furthermore, I agree that 
I have no right or equity in such optional equipment and accordingly, 
I shall have no claim for a refund of the charges personally paid by 
me for this equipment.
Employee Signature __________________________Badge_______Date________

Cost Center Manager__________________________Badge_______Date________
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							11/20/89

                    1990 TAURUS L/GL STATION WAGON
                             COLOR MATRIX

EXTERIOR                   INTERIOR                                 
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	    |BLACK     |LIGHT SANDALWOOD  |CURRANT RED	 |CRYSTAL BLUE
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SANDALWOOD  |   X      |        X	  |		 |
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MEDIUM	    |	       |        X	  |		 |
SANDALWOOD  |	       |		  |		 |
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WOODROSE    |   X      |		  |		 |
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CURRANT RED |   X      |		  |      X	 |
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CRYSTAL	    |	       |		  |		 |     X
BLUE	    |	       |		  |		 |	      
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TWILIGHT    |	       |		  |		 |     X
BLUE	    |	       |		  |		 |
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BLACK	    |   X      |         X	  |      X	 |    X
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LIGHT	    |   X      |		  |      X	 |	      
TITANIUM    |	       |		  |		 |
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OXFORD	    |   X      |         X	  |      X	 |     X      
WHITE	    |	       |		  |		 |	      
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DEEP	    |   X      |          	  |      X	 |	      
TITANIUM    |	       |		  |		 |
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ALL COLORS SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE BY INDIVIDUAL 
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		ODOMETER DISCLOSURE STATEMENT

DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION (LESSEE)  FLEET/USED UNIT
129 PARKER STREET, MAYNARD, MA 01754
ATTN:  FLEET ADMINISTRATION PKO3-2/F15 FAX (508)-493-5969  
       DTN 223-5969

LESSEE ODOMETER DISCLOSURE STATEMENT (LEASED VEHICLE) 

Federal law (and state law, if applicable) requires that the lessee
disclose the mileage to the lessor in connection with the transfer 
of ownership.  Failure to complete or making a false statement may
result in fines and/or imprisonment.  Please be advised the used
vehicles can not be sold unless the lessor receives this form.
NEW CAR ORDER WITH TRADE-IN CAR - Attach the completed form to the 
U.S. Fleet Plan A Application and forward to Fleet Administration 
at the above address.
	
YOUR NEW VEHICLE APPLICATION WILL NOT BE PROCESSED WITHOUT THIS FORM.

Name:__________________________________________________________
	(name of PERSON making disclosure, MUST PRINT)

 I, hereby certify, to the best of my knowledge that the odometer
 reading stated 

 CURRENT Odometer Reading__________________________
 PLEASE CHECK Section 1,2, or 3- (which ever section is applicable
 to your vehicle) THIS MUST BE COMPLETED, and forwarded to Fleet
 Administration as follows:

 _____#IS THE ACTUAL MILEAGE OF THE VEHICLE DESCRIBED BELOW.
	
 _____#IS THE AMOUNT OF MILEAGE IN EXCESS OF ITS MECHANICAL LIMITS.
			 
 _____#IS NOT THE ACTUAL MILEAGE. I.E. IT HAS NOT BEEN REPLACED 
      AFTER IT WAS BROKEN OR DAMAGED.

 Lessee's Signature_______________________Date___________________
 ________________________________________________________________
 | Year	| Make	| Model	|  Body	| Vehicle Identification Number	|
 |  	| 	| 	|  Type	|				|
 |______|_______|_______|_______|_______________________________|
		DO NOT COMPLETE BELOW THIS LINE
_________________________________________________________________
|LESSOR'S NAME			|SIGNATURE/DATE			|
|				|				|
|_______________________________|_______________________________|
|ADDRESS- STREET						|
|CITY& STATE							|
|ZIP CODE 							|
|_______________________________________________________________|
Date disclosure form sent to Lessee  3/15/89
Date received from Lessee__________________________________

    I've never had a company car before, so some newcomer questions -
    
    Is there a way to track the status of your car?
    
    How does delivery happen?
    
    Is there any inspection, etc. you ought to do?
    
    If you didn't order options, do they sometimes come anyway?
    
    Are the delivery times mentioned in the memo on the + or - side?

 I never had one either, but:
       
>    Is there a way to track the status of your car?
 
    Your cost center manager receives a report periodically (monthly?)
    indicating the status of the vehicles on order for his/her cost center.
    Initially, those reports may only show that the order was logged, and
    that it is being processed. At some point,  delivery date will be
    posted on the report.
    
    How close actual delivery comes to the stated delivery I haven't the
    foggiest. Nor can I answer any of the other questions you posed.
    
    /se
    
    

       
       
       	Sounds like good questions for Fleet Administration??
       
       							mike

    
    
     Please post the answers to your questions if and when you get them
    through Fleet Admin. I am out in the Feild and would appreciate the
    info without the call.
    
    -Regards and Merry X-mas.
    Mike Z.

The last time I ordered a Car, Ford or PH&H sent me a copy of the order
confirmation with an estimated delivery date and delivering dealer

Larry

    My understanding after talking with Joan McKenzie of FA, dtn 223-1322.
    
    . She can confirm if you are in the system and that's all.
    . Your manager should receive a weekly report on all cars in the CC.
    . G.E. purchased GELCO.
    . Orders are sent to GE which orders the cars from the factory to be
      delivered to a dealer in your area.
    . A driver's packet is sent out to you in about 4 weeks, which details
      the procedures, dealer name, etc.
    . She assumes I will get exactly what I ordered with one of my color
      choices.
    . She said to expect 12 weeks delivery since the factories shut down
      for two weeks at Christmas.
    . Since this is the first set of orders for 1990, they don't have much
      experience yet on actual time frames.
    
    My question on whether I might get options I didn't order was based on
    the thought that the delivering dealer might have the option to deliver
    a car he currently has (with the required options) or wait for the exact 
    factory order.  Only those of you that have ordered cars in the past
    can answer that.  Anyone have that happen to them?

    Re: Dealer added options (or swap of optioned car for your non-optioned
    order) - The last time I picked up a car, the dealer informed me he was
    making $85.00 on the delivery. I figured I was doing well to get all
    four tires plus a spare. In fact, I DIDN'T get a working fan motor, and
    nearly smoked the engine at the grand old age of 3 miles. 
    
    Which leads us to ...
    
    INSPECTION: My first company car was handed over to me in a covered
    driveway, and I figured all was well and went on my way. Wrongamundo!
    The paint had been damaged (probably by having some form of solvent
    thrown over it in a storage lot), and the chrome trim on the
    passenger's sided had a large dent in it. I never was able to get these
    things worked out, and as I was (a) desperate for the car and (b)
    didn't particularly care (sorry folks - it's true - it wasn't my car
    and never would be), I didn't stress out over it. BUT, when I took
    delivery of subsequent cars, I made DAMNED sure I looked all over the
    sucker  before I drove away.
    
    What I learned from my most recent delivery is, look under the hood,
    and perhaps even stop at a service station around the corner from the
    dealer (if one exists), and make sure there are adequate supplies of
    tranny fluid, brake fluid, coolant, tires, hoses, fans, and any other
    thing you can possibly think of. Odds are, SOMETHING wasn't done right.
    If you don't catch it, it might be a lot longer than 12 weeks before
    you see another company car...
    
    BTW, I do the same inspection drill on all rental cars, for the same
    reasons (plus I don't want to miss a flight arguing with car rental
    folks about somebody else's dent...). I usually find some dent or ding
    worth going back and noting on the contract.
    

when is (was) the cut-off date for ordering 1990 cars?

Frank

    What selections do the Customer Service engineers have for 1991 ?
    
    	Ive been told that noone can order 'til November. Anybody have 
    any idea ? Its due to negotiations/new model year situations again.
    
    Mike