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Title: Soccer Football Conference
Notice:Don't forget your season ticket.....
Moderator:MOVIES::PLAYFORD
Created:Thu Aug 08 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:608
Total number of notes:85903

202.0. "What the hell happened to Blackburn" by SNOC02::STREETDAVID (The real south Pacific Pom.) Thu Apr 23 1992 10:24

	I live in Australia, so this notes file is my major source of info.
A few weeks ago, Blackburn Rovers were cruising at the top of Division two, and 
were buying players right left and centre.

	What the hell has happened to them! A string of defeats, and now 
they're out of it. I'm not a Blackburn supporter, but like to take some 
interest in the teams coming up from Division 2. BTW, it will be good to have
teams like Ipswich back in Division 1.


						Dave.
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202.1Where to find out about Blackburns decline in OzGIDDAY::PARSONSSupport SLS and see the worldThu Apr 23 1992 10:4815
    
    > I live in Australia, so this notes file is my major source of info.
    
    Dave,
    
    What about the newspapers that carry the English results and some
    match reports, 2KY 1017 that carries Radio 5 coverage on Saturday
    night/ Sunday morning, the specialist English soccer papers published
    here (like British Soccer Weekly), the football coverage in the 
    British newspapers published here (Weekly Torygraph, Weekly Express),
    the TV coverage on ABC and SBS, and if you're rich the 0055 telephone
    results service ?    :-)
    
    Not that I'm an addicted Leeds fan desperate for results 2 minutes
    after a game has finished or anything !   ;-)
202.2Will Blackburn even get a play-off spot?TRUCKS::SANTI owe,I owe,so off to work I goThu Apr 23 1992 12:4015
202.3RIGHTO::HAIGHOh well another 4 years abroad.Thu Apr 23 1992 13:187
202.4TRUCKS::SANTI owe,I owe,so off to work I goThu Apr 23 1992 13:223
    
    	Don't entirely agree with the analogy, Steve, but thanks all
    	the same (sic...Ed.)  8-( 
202.5Try eating some more pies Kenny.WELCLU::BWALKERCome on you Hatters.Thu Apr 23 1992 13:4813
    Whats happened to Blackburn. 
    
    Why they have appointed Moaning Kenny Dalgliesh as manager thats what.
    
    Does have now have too much choice and has no idea as to his best 11.
    
    I have not laughed so much since the snow bound Luton game left
    Liverpool with 5000 meat pies on their hands.
    
    Regards,
    
    Barry.
    
202.6SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Thu Apr 23 1992 14:3614
    
    Blackburn's loss of form coincided with the injury to Mike Newell, one
    of Dalglish's million pound men. He bought Roy Wegerle to replace him, 
    a gifted enough player but hardly the sort of man you want in the heat
    of a promotion battle and then, in desperation, went through a phase of
    trying to buy any striker willing to move to Blackburn. Duncan Shearer
    came from Swindon but Brett Angell turned down a move from Southend (he
    obviously thought they had a better chance of promotion).
    
    Dalglish has simply proved that you can't buy an instantly successful
    team; players need time to adjust to a new style and different
    colleagues. And I, for one, don't have an ounce of sympathy for him.
    
    jeff
202.7Blackburn.....what happened?????????PEKING::DAVIESGE=Mc2..Einstein Was Right!Thu Apr 23 1992 16:5915
    
    Exactly. Spending millions on quality, gifted players isin't enough if
    they haven't got either the team spirit or the commitment to do the
    job. Kenny wen't the wrong way about managing Blackburn, and I am sure
    that if he had the same chance over again (Blackburn were in a good
    position even before he got there), then he would not have bought half
    the players he now has.
    	   If they had played with commitment, then they could of held on
    with draws instead of losses, but the players ovbiously did not play
    with enough of it to warrant singular points instead of none.
    	   I also think that he's brought it on himself by signing too many
    players and hope that ('cause I like Blackburn) they can turn it around
    and try to get through the play-offs. 
    
    Greg...
202.8sad but trueKERNEL::HAWLEYICardinal Thang, read the chargesThu Apr 23 1992 17:209
    
    i agree with .7
    this also brings up the case of those people within a team who are not
    stars, but just do their job effectively in order to make the team run
    smoothly.
    it is these kind of people that Blackburn lack.
    
    Ian.
    
202.9Any manager's better than DalglishZPOVC::KUMARSat Apr 25 1992 07:4423
    	Well, I REALLY don't want to say this, but I have to:
    
    	"I TOLD YOU SO"
    
    	The playing genius of Kenny Dalglish, IMHO, will probably never be
    equalled by anyone in the First Division. But as far as his managerial
    skills are concerned, better to leave it unsaid. It was good for
    Liverpool that he quit and I think we have a much better manager
    (Souness, when he recovers) now.
    	Dalglish doesn't know how to think long term. He buys players who are
    over the hill now to do the job right at hand, without thinking how
    these players are going to be useful in the following seasons. That's
    how Liverpool ended up with Hysen and Speedie.
	I'm glad Blackburn are where they are. Hopefully, they'll get rid
    of Dalglish, the rest of the league will know just how lousy a manager
    he is and he will never ever get a manager's post again or if he does,
    it will be at a very much lower salary and club (one in the GM Vauxhall
    League, if they're dumb enough !!!).
    
    Just my 2 cents,
    
    Kumar
        
202.10Don't run the lad downKBOMFG::TANNERVorsprung durch GuinnessWed Apr 29 1992 20:1125
    
    Re .8 and the rest....
    
       I have the feeling that most of ye haven't forgotten what Dalglish
    done to us last season, which is fair enough. But I reckon ye have all
    forgotten what he done for the club in the previous seasons. The way
    its looks at the moment Liverpool will finish either 5th or 6th in the
    league this season. I believe we never finished lower as second under
    Dalglish's management, which speaks for itself that he was also a good
    manager, when did Liverpool ever have a poor one??? I wouldn't run down
    his performance with Blackburn, if they don't make it this season then
    they will have at least a strong squad for next season, and they should
    and will probably get promoted, then the negative talk about dalglish
    will turn positive.
    
         I never recall any negative words about Dalglish in the Liverpool
    notes when they were winning leagues and cups everywhere. I for one
    will allways have a high regard for Kenny as a player and as a manager,
    and it would be great to see him lead Blackburn back to the first
    division, and if anybody can do it then he can.
    
                                                               -dave-
    
    p.s Dalglish left Liverpool because of internal pressure, has this
    internal pressure also got something to do with Souness's condition???
202.11TRUCKS::SANTI owe,I owe,so off to work I goWed Apr 29 1992 20:162
    
    	Excellent note, Dave. 
202.12Staying down.BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United AFC, League Champions 1991-92Wed Apr 29 1992 20:1811
    Blackburn Rovers is a cobbled together, sorry, 'expensiveley assembled'
    set of journeymen who have come to line their own pockets. They are
    coming apart at the seams like all hastily assembled teams. It isn't
    posible to get out of Div 2 in 1 season with such a bunch of journeymen
    - a V Jones is needed to gee them up. Blackburn may make the playoffs,
    but won't go up. If they did go up, they wouldn't last.
    
    Blackburn will still be in Div 2 at the end of next season, they will
    be playing Burnley, who deserve success (and they get better crowds)
    
    jb.
202.13I still blame the meat pies.WELCLU::BWALKERCome on you Hatters.Wed Apr 29 1992 20:3618
    My two cents worth.
    
    I think Moanin Kenny left Liverpool for the prime reason, which one
    noter has already alluded to, that being. He had assembled a very good
    team yes I must agree, however they were all getting on a bit, and
    Kenny knew a). He had spent all the money and b). there was not such a
    high degree of quality in Liverpools reserves as in the past.
    
    So to blame Souness for the fact that Liverpool are likely to finish 5
    or 6th this year, whilst they never finished lower than 2nd with Moanin
    Kenny is wrong.
    
    Had Kenny still been there and faced up to the mess he left behind then
    Liverpool maywell have finished 14/15th and not 5/6th.
    
    Regards,
    
    Barry.
202.14dogleashANNECY::ROWLAND_Aa slip of the tongueThu Apr 30 1992 12:5214
    
    
    Right on Barry. Dalglish inherited "the Liverpool machine" but didn't
    maintain it properly. He got out of the way just before it blew up in
    his face.
    
    He's never had to "manage" in the true sense of the word. His first
    managerial job was "here Kenny, take one of the best club squads in the
    world and see what you can do with it". Now it's "have as much money as
    you like and see what you can do with it". Not a recipe for success, as
    he, and everyone else, is beginning to find out.
    
    
    Adam.
202.15Another load of verbose crap...SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Thu Apr 30 1992 14:4313
    
    Managing a team with plenty of dosh is almost a different occupation to
    managing a team with none. For the likes of Dalglish, Souness, Ferguson
    etc, "managing" involves deciding how you want to play and what players
    to buy to suit that style. In other words, buying the right type of
    players to blend in with the way you want the team to play. For clubs
    with no money, the situation is entirely different; the manager has to
    make do with what he's got and either coach the players to play the way
    he wants or adapt the style of play to suit what he's got. Either way,
    this is a far more difficult task and the best mangers are those that
    succeed under such conditions.
    
    jeff
202.16weigh the gains and the lossesZPOVC::KUMARThu Apr 30 1992 16:1716
    Re .13 & .14,
    
    	Well said chaps, well said !!
    	I'd just like to add that Dalglish also had, as his mentor of some
    kind, the great Bob Paisley, at least in 1986. If memory serves me
    correctly, Paisley did offer to quit from the board of directors at Anfield
    after criticising Dalglish's tactics publicly. Yes Dalglish won the
    "double" in 1986, league titles in 1988 and 1990 and F.A. Cup in 1989.
    But never forget that he also contrived to lose the F.A. Cup in 1988
    against of all teams,Wimbledon, the league title in the last minute of
    the 1988-89 season, won nothing in 1987 and was, IMHO, also responsible for 
    not winning anything in 1991. So he quit when the going got tough.
    	Everybody' talking about "the bottle" these days. Well, Dalglish
    ain't got "the bottle" either (at least not as manager).
    
    Kumar
202.17Keep off the meat pies Kenny.WELCLU::BWALKERCome on you Hatters.Thu Apr 30 1992 18:2910
    Re 16.
    
    Even better.
    
    Well said that man.
    
    Regards,
    
    
    Barry.
202.18"easy on ladsKBOMFG::TANNERVorsprung durch GuinnessThu Apr 30 1992 19:3619
    
    Re .13, .14 & .16...
    
       After reading these three notes I have come to the conclusion that
    either
    
    a) Ye guys cannot swallow what Dalglish done last season.. or
    b) Every time Liverpool don't win a major trophy the manager is to
       blame..
    
    So it's Dalglish we should blame for screwing up the league a few
    seasons ago against Arsenal, and why didn't he take the penalty against 
    the wombles (-)???!!!!
    
       I wonder who will ye blame if we lose to Sunderland on the 9th????
    Anyway have a nice weekend May 1st is a holiday over here so we have a
    three day break.
    
                                                             -dave- 
202.19Big night tonight..MIACT::RANKINEWed May 13 1992 17:047
    getting back to the subject...
    
    Blackburn did win a play-off place, and in the 1st Leg at Ewood (sp?)
    Park they beat Derby 4-2.  The return leg is this evening.
    In the other play-off tie, Cambridge drew 1-1 with Leicester.
    
    Paul
202.20What happened ? they made it to WembleyMIACT::RANKINEThu May 14 1992 21:049
    results last night..
    
    Derby 2  Blackburn 1   agg  4-5
    Leicester 5  Cambridge 0  agg 6-1
    
    Blackburn to play Leicester at Wembley on Monday 25th May..after
    watching both games on TV last night, it should be good one.
    
    Paul
202.21:-<XSTACY::PATTISONI remember eweThu May 14 1992 22:413
   I read that Speedie of Blackburn was assaulted by a fan after the
   game.
202.22Threaten him with a pie Kenny.WELCLU::BWALKERCome on you Hatters.Thu May 14 1992 22:516
    Does anyone know his name I'd like to buy the man a drink.
    
    Regards,
    
    
    Barry.
202.23Ooooohhhhh!ARRODS::OHAGANBFri May 15 1992 14:294
    Me too, perhaps we can ask him to do the business on Paul (w)Ince 
    and Pat Van Den Hauwe. I'd pay to see that.
    
    barry.
202.24Back at the topIOSG::PARKERJim ParkerMon May 25 1992 21:099

	Blackburn Rovers 1 Liecester 0

	A penalty just before half-time. 

	So Blackburn and the great KD back in the first division.


202.25What the &^%^% happend to errrr.....LEMAN::BURKHALTERTue May 26 1992 16:093
    .....well actually into the Premier division.
    
    -Dom
202.26Good luck...you'll need it.JUMBLY::FAIRBURNJTue May 26 1992 17:0318
202.27ee i ee i ee i oCHEFS::HOUSEBTue May 26 1992 17:1317
202.28Dalglish has bottle!!!!KBOMFG::TANNERVorsprung durch GuinnessTue May 26 1992 17:2512
   Kumar, JB, I thought ye would pop in to congratulate Kenny ( who has bottle)
and (his no hopers) Blackburn on gaining promotion to the premier league. I
wonder what ye have to say now???? and I don't want to hear "they were lucky"
crap. Maybe I will be able to comment on the teams performance next season when
I see them play, but it will allways remain in the history books that Dalglish
brought Blackburn into the Premier league, so he can't be a bad manager after
all..

    Iam looking forward to Blackburns game at Anfield...

                                                            -dave-
202.29Maybe this time they'll stay?FORTY2::ASHGrahame Ash @REOTue May 26 1992 17:397
202.30Four thousand holes.BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Tue May 26 1992 17:4013
    I saw the game live on Granada, Rovers were lucky to win / Leicester
    didn't put their chances away. Speedie was lucky to stay on the pitch
    after he had been fouled by Grayson (?) he then retaliated, he got a
    yellow instead of a red.
    
    There were 4 ex-Leeds players on view, Scott Sellars, Tommy Wright,
    Simon Grayson and Mike Whitlow, all played pretty well.
    
    The nearly men have eventually made it, they'll have to spend some more
    money both on the team and the ground, especially the ground.
    
    
    jb.
202.31I bet he moans about playing Mopndays.WELCLU::BWALKERCome on you Hatters.Tue May 26 1992 18:299
    re 28. 'History will show Kenny Dalgleash brought Rovers into the
    Premier League.'
    
    Should'nt the R have been ommitted from brought.
    
    
    Regards,
    
    Barry.
202.32Once a waster, always ....ANNECY::ROWLAND_Aa slip of the tongueTue May 26 1992 19:059
    
    So Dogleash scrapes his men into the Premier. So what if that's what
    the history books will say ? That doesn't make him a good manager. The
    fact remains that there are plenty of managers throughout all four
    divisions who, given half the budget that Kenny has had to play with,
    could produce a team that would play Blackburn off the park week in
    week out.
    
    Adam.
202.33They've only just begun.....ZPOVC::KUMARTue May 26 1992 19:3741
    Re .28,
    
    	Well, Dave, from what I have read in here, it looks like Blackburn
    were lucky to win. So, I'm not going to say anymore about luck. Yes,
    you are right when you say that "History will show K. Dalglish
    b(r)ought Blackburn into the Premier League. But you should remember
    something about history: It is created all the time. So I'm sure at the
    end of the first season of the Premier League, it is quite possible
    that Dalglish may become the first manager to get his team relegated from 
    the Premier League. So much for that.
    	Now, onto the question of "The Bottle". My memory fails me. But
    would someone please tell me when was the last time that a team which
    was leading a league or division for about 3/4 of the season suddenly
    fell apart and only just managed to get into the play-offs ? No, sir, I
    will repeat again : Kenny Dalglish ain't got THE BOTTLE. Only he or a
    team managed by him can contrive to do such a thing. And this in spite
    of spending so much money !
    	So, now he's got his team into the Premier League. Fine. Is he
    going to survive with the same set of players ? We all know that you
    need certain players to get you promoted and a quite different set to
    keep in you the league or division. Are you suggesting that Messrs.
    Speedie, Newell et al are capable of doing that ? Gimme a break ! IMHO,
    that's a team of players, who having failed to make any impact in their
    earlier teams, now teamed up with a manager who could not himself make
    it in the top flight. I reckon that Dalglish will be going shopping
    soon and his first targets will be the second or third teams of
    Liverpool, Everton, Man. Utd and City. Good luck to him because he
    REALLY needs it now. More than he needed it when he was at Anfield.
    	I will make a bold prediction here: If Blackburn don't get
    relegated in their first season, then they will probably end up like
    Watford. For those of you who don't remember or know, Watford were
    runners-up to Liverpool in the league in 1984 (I stand corrected) and
    also reached the F.A. Cup final and lost to Everton. Look where they
    are now ! Need I say more ?
    	Liverpool will do well against this lot from Ewood Park next
    season.
    
    
    Regards,
    
    Kumar  
202.34Speedie's A Cheating Ba@*!&dPANIC::ANDERSONBye Bye 'PiesWed May 27 1992 13:444
    
    A very generous parting gift (he's finished reffing) from Mr. Courtney
    to his old pal Kenny me thinks.
    
202.35Man U miss out againFUTURS::FLETCHERTue Jul 21 1992 12:277
    Blackburn have had a 3.2 Million offer for Duncan Shearer turned down.
    
    They are expected to increase this offer to 4 mill.
    
    Where do they get their money from.
    
    Nigel
202.36BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPTue Jul 21 1992 13:0410
    
    Wake up Nige, it's ALAN Shearer - Duncan Shearer was the bloke they've
    just sold to Aberdeen.
    
>>    Where do they get their money from.
    
    Jack Walker - ex-owner of Walker Steel, he's got loads to spend on
    Blackburn after selling his business for millions.
    
    Paul
202.37My brain hurtsFUTURS::FLETCHERTue Jul 21 1992 13:336
    Paul
    
    I cant believe I wrote that. Must be the effects of the vast amounts of
    beer I drunk last night.
    
    Nigel
202.38Geoff Thomas 3 million pound...crazy....PLUNDR::LOWEGDon't believe a wordThu Aug 13 1992 17:436
    
    I heard that Geoff Thomas of Crystal Palace and England ( ha! )has 
    signed for Blackburn at an amazing 3 million quid can anyone 
    confirm this..
    
    Gary.. 
202.39So how much for a really good player then?ARRODS::OHAGANBAmos Moses was a CajunThu Aug 13 1992 19:164
    Yes, I've heard this as well. Disgraceful is'nt it? 3 million lire
    would've been about right. 
    
    barry.
202.40When will Walker's crisp ones go soggy?YUPPY::PATEMANLife's a One Take MovieThu Aug 13 1992 19:3718
    As an FE supporter, I'm naturally sorry to see Geoff go, if the deal
    eventually goes through, but if you're offered #3m+ and the player is
    offered upwards of #5or6k per week (Shearer is reputed [according to
    Paneso] to be on #9k per week) its hard for both parties to turn down.
    Also, Thomas's agent has supposedly spent a lot of time with Blackburn
    sorting out a deal.
    
    The sickener is that:
    
    a) Blackburn are hugely inflating the market - #3m for Thomas when
    Wright went for #2.4???
    
    b) Palace are now a soft touch for inflated deals for other players.
    
    While I would wish Thomas well, it would be sweet for Dalglish's
    dumbo's to go straight back down again.
    
    Paul
202.41imhoNEWOA::MORANTimmy 'Five Bellies' Thu Aug 13 1992 20:019
    
>   a) Blackburn are hugely inflating the market - #3m for Thomas when
>   Wright went for #2.4???
    
    I don't think you can lay the blame soley at Blackburn. Other clubs
    know that Blackburn have money and attempt to get as much of it as they 
    can. Their greed is as much to blame as Blackburn's stupidity/naivety.
    
    Tim
202.42What price Batty?YUPPY::PANESYour mother knits socks in HullThu Aug 13 1992 20:1121
         <<< Note 202.39 by ARRODS::OHAGANB "Amos Moses was a Tottenham fan" >>>
                -< So how much for a really good player then? >-

>    Yes, I've heard this as well. Disgraceful is'nt it? 3 million lire
>    would've been about right. 
    
>    bazza.



Barry,

Is this sour grapes, because George Tightwad McWad missed out on the 
bargain of the millenium? Whoops, I forgot, he snapped up Jimmy Carter for
a snip.

Stuart


BTW If G.T has gone to Whingers All-Stars he will of course be stripped
    of his honorary knighthood - what an Antony Blunt.
202.43Extracting the p...............ARRODS::OHAGANBAmos Moses was a CajunThu Aug 13 1992 20:253
    Ere, Stuart, you been tampering with my notes or summink? 
    
    barry (definitely)
202.44YUPPY::PANESYour mother knits socks in HullThu Aug 13 1992 20:3711
         <<< Note 202.43 by ARRODS::OHAGANB "Amos Brieley hates M.U.F.C" >>>
                      -< Extracting the p............... >-

>    Ere, Stuart, you been tampering with my notes or summink? 
    
>    barry (definitely)


As if.

Stuart
202.45Geoff Who???ESSB::BLONGRumbleows &amp; Euro Super Cup Winners 92Thu Aug 13 1992 20:518
202.46still time to buy a season ticketYUPPY::PANESYour mother knits socks in HullThu Aug 13 1992 21:1836
202.47Dalglish outsmarts the rest againSTKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeFri Dec 18 1992 18:4110
202.48JONPC1::ButtonJon Button @ REOFri Dec 18 1992 18:486
202.49Shear CheekWOTVAX::MACDONALDIStalybridge CelticFri Feb 05 1993 16:4115
    
    A bit of humour.
    
    My local team, Stalybridge Celtic of the GM Conference League, were
    staying in the same hotel as Blackburn last Friday, on the outskirts of
    Manchester. 
    The chairman of the 'Bridge', Peter Barnes cheekily asked Kenny if he
    could borrow Alan Shearer, once he has recovered from his knee injury,
    to "help him get back to full fitness."
    
    Peter Barnes is still awaiting a reply!!!!!!
    
    The cheek of it......
    
    mac
202.50There's always next season Kenny !KIRKTN::JJACKWed Mar 17 1993 13:414
    
    ....their season finished versus Sheffield Utd/Wed in just 2 games !
    
    
202.51KURMA::SNEILZulus; fousands of emWed Aug 18 1993 17:3510

     Judging by the last entry there aren't many(If any) Blackburn fans
    about...But I'll ask anyway.

     What's happened to Stewart Munro??? He was one of the most consistent
    players at Ibrox when he played there.No matter how many players
    Souness bought none could take his place off him...so where is he.

    SCott
202.52Quietly confident WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Aug 18 1993 18:5618
    Scott,
    
    Re Blackburn fans: we tend to keep a low profile, just like the club.
                                                                        
    Incidentally I am told that 75,000 Rovers replica shirts were sold 
    last season, 15,000 of them in Glasgow. Is this down to massive support, 
    the appeal of a classic style from the 1880's or the desire to 
    wander around with McEwans across the chest ?
    
    Re Munro: I cannot remember Kenny ever playing Munro in the first team 
    although he was appearing in the reserves last season. I don't doubt 
    he was a good player but full-backs are something we are not short of.
    
    He may even have moved on, I'll check this out for you.  
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.53I think it just might be to do with The McEwans @:^))PAKORA::SNEILZulus; fousands of emWed Aug 18 1993 19:3312
    Andy,

            Was he injured at all ??? I'm really surprised that one
     of the lesser teams in the Scot's Premier or the lower clubs in
     The English Premier or even the First Div haven't picked him up.

            I think he would do a sound job no matter where he went.

            Thanks for the help
                         
                         SCott
202.54Information courtesy of The Propoganda Weekly ??PAKORA::JJACKThu Aug 19 1993 00:196
    
    re.52
    
    15,000 replica shirts sold in Glasgow.........I think NOT !
    
    
202.55Blue & White, the Dalglish TartanWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Aug 19 1993 13:0410
    
    It came from a friend of an ASICS rep, not from the club. 
    
    I thought it sounded strange myself but assumed that Kenny had a big
    family up there. 
    
    A second theory would be that looked at out of one eye they could 
    be mistaken for Rangers shirts !  
    
    Could 15,000 glaswegians possibly take a myopic view of life ? 
202.56GALVIA::SPAINsigned long gary();Thu Aug 19 1993 17:154
    
    I believe Stuart Munro is now at Bristol City.
    
    Gary.
202.57... they stuffed Spurs.WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Nov 01 1993 12:2123
        
    Blackburn 1:0 Spurs
    
    My sympathies go out to the Spurs fans who made the journey for this
    one. 
    
    Only two Spurs players even worthy of a mention, Erik in goal made 4
    saves that nobody could have blamed him for missing and the right back
    Sol Campbell who did the work of three down the right.
    
    Basically Blackburn were rampant, this was home form from last season
    and a 3-0 or 4-0 scoreline would have been a fair result.
    
    And THANKYOU LEEDS, I take it all back, that lad Batty can play a bit. 
    He'll have to do it every week to convince me he was worth all the money 
    but I made him MOTM on Saturday as much for his distribution as his 
    ball winning. However its a good job we have Warhurst as well because 
    Batty only got 1 booking for 3 bookable fouls this week, I suspect he 
    will spend a few weeks suspended before the seasons out.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.58Imagine being the one without Shearer !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Nov 05 1993 17:3218
    
    Well, Tim Flowers appears to have succumbed to the blankety blank 
    cheque book and pen and Kenny has now spent roughly the same as his 
    old mate Souness. The only difference is that Liverpool sold the team
    of the 80's, Blackburn are buying the team of the nineties.
    
    As Blackburns best results of the season appear to be not getting Roy 
    Keane, Nigel Clough and Neil Ruddock its obviously having a lot of luck
    as well as a lot of money that matters. ;-) 
    
    I think that about does it for this year, unless somebody has a really
    good centre half ????
    
    So what am I bid for Bobby Mimms ?
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy 
202.59ESSB::MCUNNIFFEEven Better than the Real ThingMon Nov 08 1993 15:2910
       Tim Flowers made his debut for Blackburn at the weekend and thankfully
they went down. I hope Blackburn & Kenny get relegated. All they have is
buying power in Jack Walker. These people like Shearer, Flowers and the thug
Batty are going there for the money and no other reason. With no character in
the club and small crowds, I hope they fail even with Walker's money. They are
trying to buy the title.


 C U N N O
202.60Kenny was his HeroESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Mon Nov 08 1993 15:536
202.61NEWOA::FIDO_TConation is the keyMon Nov 08 1993 17:179
>	They are trying to buy the title.
    
    Name a club which has never tried to buy their way to success. 
    
    If it wasn't to improve their chances, what was the reason that Liverpool 
    tried to buy Flowers ?
    
    Terry
    
202.62EBYGUM::WATTERSONPBored on shiftMon Nov 08 1993 17:257
    
    Blackburn have only spent a couple of million more than Liverpool and
    the reason for their small crowds is the amount of redevelopment going
    on at Ewood Park - you're getting very bitter and twisted in your old
    age Cunno...........
    
    Paul
202.63FORTY2::FOWLERMWorkers of the world uniteMon Nov 08 1993 17:5919
202.64You're for it now!!PAKORA::AMILLARAnd some late news just in...Mon Nov 08 1993 18:367
    
    I will report that last remark to John Cronin, who is South
    Queensferry's official Scunthorpe supporter.
    
    Come in John..........
    
    Archie.
202.65Cunno, is it fear or envy ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Nov 09 1993 15:2224
    
    Kenny Dalglish recently replied to those who think like Cunno with the
    following point:
    
    Blackburn have brought new money into the game and this is resented
    (fear and envy) by those who wish to protect their control over the 
    current money circulating in the system.
    
    I'm sure that breaking the mould is something that Blackburn,
    Norwich and Newcastle will enjoy achieving over the next few years. 
    
    Cunno, open your eyes and see what has happened to your club over the
    last few years. Liverpool have failed in their attempt to rebuild a 
    team by a Manager who lets his heart rule his head. 
    
    In the same time Blackburn have achieved many of their objectives 
    and are now equipped with a relatively young, predominantly English, 
    squad who will hopefully be in Europe next season and regularly
    thereafter.
    
    Cheers, and thanks to the previous noters who, although  they may not be
    Blackburn fans, could see the stupidity of Cunnos remarks.
    
    Andy
202.66WARNUT::WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringTue Nov 09 1993 18:408
    Andy,
    
    The trouble for Kenny is that he just *has* to acheive something. If
    they don't win anything this year, and/or don't get into Europe then he
    will be under enormous pressure. Jack Walker's money won't last for
    ever and paying silly wages is a sure way to disaster if no money is
    coming in. Blackburn's crowds, even with the new stadium, aren't that
    big a source of revenue.
202.67I wish I had Kennys worries !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Nov 09 1993 21:2434
202.68Is there a brain in it ?PANIC::ANDERSONJust another 'eadless chickenWed Nov 10 1993 12:1711
    Re .65
    
>>   last few years. Liverpool have failed in their attempt to rebuild a 
>>   team by a Manager who lets his heart rule his head. 
				    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    ....and we all know what a dickie heart he has, so it doesn't say much
    for his head ;-)
    
    Rob 
     
202.69SUNNY SCUNIEPAKORA::JCRONINHMFCWed Nov 10 1993 13:124
    What about last nights result.Your team of highly paid flops toiled to
    beat Shrewsbury.Scunthorpe can at least beat them over 90 mins.
    
    Have feet will TRAVEL.
202.70they made everybody happy !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Nov 10 1993 13:5027
    <Smileys on>
    
    Its called entertainment, and spreading even more money through the
    football league. 
    
    Let the small clubs have a bit of fun, give them a good night out 
    and a good pay day that should boost their next few home gates.
    
    If it makes a Scunthorpe fan happy then it can't be bad can it. 
    
    And on we go to Tottingham in the next round.
    
    <smileys off>
    
    Luckily I didn't have to resort to cutting and pasting the obligatory 
    "concentrate on the league" note that supporters of big clubs use when 
    dumped out of the 3rd most important domestic competition.
    
    Now that would have taken the smile off my face,
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
     
       
    
202.71Gazza for Ewood Park??PIECES::63585::SWIFFENWed Nov 10 1993 16:318
I see that Lazio have confirmed that Blackburn have inquired
about bringing the over-hyped crock back to England.

5 million for the walking wounded!!

Actually sounds a bargain, compared to Barnes, Clough, Thomas etc..

Chris.
202.72another cunning stunt WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Nov 10 1993 17:3115
    
    I like this Gazza rumour, it distracts people from what Blackburn are 
    really up to. It was doing the rounds when Roy Wegerle arrived and when
    Kevin Gallagher arrived.
    
    Still, I'll trust Kenny, despite questioning some of his spending only 
    2 of his 25 signings have so far proved to be duffers.
    
    Maybe the plan is to get Gazza and Jimmy Five Bellies to fill the 
    3,000 seats in the top tier of the new Blackburn End Stand.
    
    But if cuddly Paul does return to this country I would be surprised 
    if Newcastle didn't put in a bid.
                  
    Andy
202.73PLUNDR::MORANQ14 Down: Gorgeous, Lovable Hunk 3,5Wed Nov 10 1993 19:569
    
    
    >But if cuddly Paul does return to this country I would be surprised
    >if Newcastle didn't put in a bid.
    
    I would. Can you imagine Keegan the strict disciplinarian and Gascoigne 
    working together?
    
    Tim
202.74EBYGUM::WATTERSONPA14: Fat VirgnWed Nov 10 1993 20:164
    
    Is that 'strict disciplinarian' = sulky git ?
    
    
202.75PLUNDR::MORANA14: That's you that is!Wed Nov 10 1993 20:366
    
    Quite possibly, Paul.
    
    Tim,
    
    Ps, you missed out ugly.
202.76If you want to beat emWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Nov 11 1993 16:2322
    
    Blackburns next home game is against, you guessed it, SOUTHAMPTON.
    
    This strategy of buying up the competition worked wonders in the
    promotion year when Duncan Shearer was lured away from Swindon. He 
    couldn't really make the team at Blackburn and was later allowed to go off
    and impress the Scottish Premier League by knocking them in for Aberdeen.
    
    Flowers and Shearer lining up against their old mates will be a good 
    test of Blackburns crowd pulling ability because there will be 18,000 
    seats to fill, unattractive opposition, christmas shopping to do, it'll
    be cold, and it might rain, and you can see the goals on MOTD, but if 
    Gazza's going to be there !!!? (oh what a nice rumour)
     
    Incidentally is there anybody, I suppose a Southampton fan is a little
    much to expect, who can tell me what the saints have done with 
    uncle jacks donation ?
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy                 
    
202.77And almost 1 year later ...WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Nov 17 1993 18:2140
202.78Kiss of deathSTKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeThu Nov 18 1993 11:3517
    
>    Well, not much of prediction my old chum (if you are still there !).
 
    Well, I like to stick my neck out. It's backfired before :-)   
    
    I have not changed my opinion on Andersson, although I have not seen
    him play for Blackburn (not much chance of that, was there?)
    
    Maybe the typical English league side can't adapt to a modern style
    international class defender?
    
    I now confidently predict that Blackburn Rovers will be world leaders
    well into the next millenium :-)
    
    	cheers,
    
    		Stefan
202.79Keep the faith WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Nov 18 1993 15:0618
    Stefan,
    
    Blackburn will be in Europe next season, (hows that for a prediction !)
    so maybe you'll get lucky and get a look at the team of the millenium
    in the making.
         
    As a season ticket holder I have seen most of what Andersson has done
    and you are probably right, the continental style of centre half does
    not fit easily in the Premier League.
    
    I don't know if Scandinavia is as tribal as Britain but if you are
    interested, Henning Berg, the Danish full-back who we bought from
    Lillestrom at the same time as the Andersson deal, is turning into an
    excellent player.  
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.80The Scandinavian ConnectionSTKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeThu Nov 18 1993 15:2532
    
    Andy,
    
>    Blackburn will be in Europe next season, (hows that for a prediction !)
>    so maybe you'll get lucky and get a look at the team of the millenium
>    in the making.
 
    You misunderstand me, we see a lot of English Premier league football
    on TV here, and Blackburn have had their fair share of coverage, it's
    just that Andersson has not been playing on those occasions. 
    
>    I don't know if Scandinavia is as tribal as Britain but if you are
>    interested, Henning Berg, the Danish full-back who we bought from
>    Lillestrom at the same time as the Andersson deal, is turning into an
>    excellent player.  
 
    Don't know what you mean by tribal, but if you mean things like the
    healthy rivalry that goes on in notes 13%.*, I guess it's less over
    here. The media seem to have succeded in convincing the unsuspecting
    populace that we should support anyone who's Danish/Norwegian/Finnish
    just because they're fellow Scandinavians. I take the opposite view.
    
    Mind you, I do my best to whip up anti-support for Denmark
    referencing to the Stockholm bloodbath in 1521, but somehow Swedish
    football fans seem less aware of their history than the average
    Celtic/Rangers supporter.
    
    Looking forward to Blackburn's European Cup hegemony,
    
    	Stefan
    
    
202.81they're getting better every week WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Nov 24 1993 16:4258
    
    BLACKBURN TAKE SIX POINTS OUT OF SIX AT HOME !
    
    Shearer 2
    Southampton 0
    
    I'm not very happy, Alan didn't look at all fit, only touched the ball
    twice all bloody afternoon. 
    
    The first was a dubious penalty - Ken Monkou, who otherwise had an
    excellent game, found guilty of sneezing in the general direction of
    Mike Newell who was so shocked at finding himself in the 6 yard box he
    fell over.
    
    The second was a tap-in, and is my tip for the next set of Grandstand 
    opening titles. Having stood around chatting to Le Tissier all
    afternoon our Alan decided he had 15 minutes to see if he could still 
    sprint and kick the ball at the same time. Watch football focus on
    Saturday to see what happened. 
    
    Basically the blues made very hard work of a game which should have 
    been 3 points in the bag by half time. Tim Flowers deserves a mention
    for restoring the confidence of our defence.
    
    Ian Branfoot must now be history, he has clearly done bugger-all with
    all the money we've given him.
    
    16,700 turned up, not bad considering. 
    
    Shearer 2
    Coventry 1
    
    Now i'm happy, excellent team performance, the blues playing crisp 
    passing football, really deserved to win 3-0 against a Coventry 
    team that, without Wegerle, had little to offer.
    
    First time I've seen Blobby Quinn live, he really is as fat and useless
    as he looks on the telly.
    
    Alan obviously took one look at him and felt like a bit of exercise 
    tonight, he looked pretty sharp. Batty and Marker both deserve a
    mention.
    
    Don't know how many turned up but it looked about 14,000, again not bad
    considering, it really was F-cold.
    
    So here we are, 2nd in the league for 24 hours, breathing down Uniteds 
    neck. I bet they're worried now  :-)
    
    Prediction - as soon as Wilcox is fit again the rest of the team will
    start scoring. At the moment Ripley Gallacher and Newell all seem to be 
    playing "I bet you can't score from a pass like that" with Shearer (who
    can!).  If Shearer got the kind of service that Andy Cole gets he'd 
    get 50 goals a season. 
       
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.82Back to winning ways WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Dec 07 1993 15:0632
    Blackburn 2 
    Chelsea   0
    
    Basically its bad news for Glen Hoddle, his boys don't have the ability
    to play the way he's coaching them.
    
    For those of you who don't have satellite:
    
    The first half was great, Blackburn playing good football and creating
    chances, Chelsea working very hard to make a game of it and to their
    credit trying, albeit unsucessfully, to pass the ball around and 
    not defending in numbers. First goal from Graeme Le Saux a 25yd drive.
    
    The second half was crap, Blackburn were looking for three points after
    loosing to Ipswich and Tottenham and they were not going to do anything to
    jeapordise these three. Chelsea were starting to sag, on comes
    Cascarino and Chelsea looked a little more threatening by playing more
    long ball stuff. Come the 90th minute 2000 people have left the
    ground, god knows how many T.V. viewers have found something better to
    do, and Shearer pops up to tap in the second.
    
    For Blackburn the result was more important than the performance and it
    showed.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    p.s. On a sad note - I remember Chelsea as a team with a good away 
    following, the shower (about 1000) that turned up on Sunday were 
    obviously those  not smart enough to nick, or even operate, a T.V. set. 
    Very quiet, very boring.
202.83Nothing to fear in MANCHESTERWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Dec 20 1993 12:5633
    Blackburn 2
    Man City  0
    
    Hardly a classic, but the good news is 3 more points in the bag, 
    Gallagher found his scoring boots and Kenny picked the same team 
    for the third successive week.
    
    The crisis at City continues, the dozy buggers even forgot to pack
    their away kit and Rovers had to play at home in the Red and Black.  
    
    City, without Quinn and McMahon look like serious relegation material 
    at the moment. 
    
    So its all set for a real battle on Boxing Day and I can't wait, its
    time for a turnover at Old Trafford. 
    
    My christmas present: 
    
    Its got to be BLACKBURN 3 : 1 MAN UTD, a result that coupled with
    injuries to Cantona, Ince and Schmeical will mean even Leeds beat them 
    and a classic crisis of confidence starts to roll at United. 
    
    The reds are toppled, Leeds are unable to win away and Blackburn finish
    up on top with Newcastle and Norwich very close behind.
    
    You read it here first.
    
    As I'm the only person who reads the Blackburn note I think I can get 
    away with this.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.84Where 'ave you been for 50 yearsMUFC::TONYMon Dec 20 1993 13:2119
Re:- .83


>>    Its got to be BLACKBURN 3 : 1 MAN UTD, a result that coupled with
>>    injuries to Cantona, Ince and Schmeical will mean even Leeds beat them 
>>    and a classic crisis of confidence starts to roll at United. 
    
>>    The reds are toppled, Leeds are unable to win away and Blackburn finish
>>    up on top with Newcastle and Norwich very close behind.
    
>>    You read it here first.


Andy,


....and then you'll wake up...!!

Tony :-)
202.85MUFC: The doubts start here ...WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Dec 20 1993 14:2929
    Tony,
    
    re: waking up
    
    I've been in something of a dream for two years now and it just gets
    better and better. I would go so far as to predict that Blackburn ( the
    richest club in Britain ;-) ) will win more trophys than MANU in the 
    90's. And we've even given you a little start.
    
    re: where 'ave you been....
    
    As a Student at UMIST I used to stand on the Stretford End, so 
    I have seen the Reds throwing it all away a number of times. I remember 
    the days when the faithful hoardes were flooding out of O.T. with 
    15 minutes to go.
    
    I'm sure you remember a day at the end of last season when we scored 
    first and then decided to let you win because we didn't want to spoil 
    your little party. 
    
    Here's to a Boxing Day classic, I'm sure all the neutrals will be
    willing us to put one over on you and keep the championship alive,
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    p.s. Can I go back to sleep now ?, this has always been a peaceful little
    note to kip in.    
202.86your not alone out thereWOTVAX::NORTHSFri Jan 07 1994 15:0131
    
    Andy,
    
    Having only just found this notes file I am sure you will be pleased to
    know that there are now 2 of us loyal season ticket holders to Kenny's
    army in the network.  I'm a top tier Darwen ender with my oxygen mask
    and binoculars.
    
    It's interesting to read the previous notes and listen to all the
    moarners complain about transfer fees and how a unfashionable Northern
    town club are becoming the best team in England.
    
    I don't know if you managed to get a ticket for Old Trafford but I
    managed to get one at the last minute through the back door and it was
    great the the 1500 BRFC supporters in the ground (45000 capacity, 1500
    away fans - disgraceful) completely outsung the MUFC fans.  You got the
    feeling that the MUFC fans were more used to sitting in their living
    room watching tele that actually getting behind their team.  Anyway we
    get condemned for paying to much for players, I wonder how much MUFC
    paid the referee on Boxing Day to CHEAT us out of three points.
    
    Looking to the future, can't wait for the cuptie on Saturday.  Do you
    remember the old battles with Portsmouth, Glenn Keeley v Noel Blake.
    
    
    Roll on Easter Monday when I predict that when we beat MUFC 3-0 at
    Ewood we will go top of the premier and stay there.
    
    Stephen
     
                                                                   
202.87No nay never ...WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Jan 10 1994 14:3617
    Stephen,
    
    I'm just back from Christmas and its good to know i'm not alone in
    here. 
    
    As I'm at the darwen end of the Walkersteel stand you buggers up in the
    clouds now keep me in the shade until half time on a good saturday
    afternoon. 
    
    My thoughts on the recent games will follow.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    P.S. Are you one of those on the front row banging on the panels, if so
    keep it up. We still don't make nearly enough noise.
202.88United looking like runners-up...WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Jan 10 1994 15:1785
    
    So Christmas wasn't quite what I predicted but I enjoyed it all the same:
    
    MANU 1 Blackburn 1
    
    I'm sure we all saw it on the telly so I won't go on about it but ...
    
    The blues were magnificent, played all the football, refused to be 
    intimidated (unlike the ref) and dominated the first 85 minutes.
    
    Kevin Gallagher again demonstrated two things that I have believed for 
    some time,
    
    o Pallister and Bruce are 'kin useless if anybody runs at them
    
    o He is great down the middle but bloody lost on the wing.
    
    The reds reaction at the end, particularly Fergusons, said it all - we
    scared them to death and now they are starting to look over their
    shoulder. 
    
    Blackburn 2 Everton 0
    
    Another two goals for the messiah, but Everton were poor. All I can say
    is that we took 3 points from a team who were there for the beating.
    
    Aston Villa 0 Blackburn 1
    
    Another good away win. I didn't see the game but on MOTD Graeme Le Saux 
    looked like Englands next left back. I'm told they worked very hard and
    looked a bit knackered in the last 15 minutes so the rest that was to
    come probably was welcomed.
    
    And its that man again, Shearer looks like reaching 40 goals this
    season.
    
    Blackburn P Wimbledon P
    
    I got piss wet through trudging down to this one, it was the right
    decision but it could have been made at 12:00 not 2:55.
    
    The rest did them good but it was an unfortunate interruption for a
    team that was on a roll. Games in hand still have to be won, but
    certainly Newell (and possibly Warhurst ? ) will be back to help us 
    win these later in the season. 
    
    Blackburn 3 Porstmouth 3
    
    Just what we didn't want, a long trip to the arse-end of the country
    for a replay that shouldn't have been a remote possibility.
    
    3 times in the lead and about a dozen scoring opportunities against a
    team who put 5 across the back gritted their teeth and got the miracles
    they were praying for. Portsmouth were dead and buried 3 times.
    
    Rovers goals from Guess who, Gallacher and Sherwood, Porstmouths man of
    the moment was Alan Mcloughlin who got all three (from Midfield !).
    
    May and Hendry spent the afternoon doing a very passable impression of
    Pallister and Bruce (we can head it away all day but please don't run
    at our penalty area).
    
    One point to note, why pay 2 million for Kit Symons when we've just let
    them have Tony Dobson who had an outstanding game for Portsmouth, looks 
    a far better player and is English ?
    
    Kenny will have given them a good kicking after this one, we may even
    see Marker back in as David May appeared to get two very heavy knocks
    during the game.
    
    I can't see us being that stupid again, and Portsmouth really aren't
    very good, I'll predict a 2-0 win in the replay.
    
    Then its away to Charlton in the next round, could have been worse, we 
    should put them away too.
    
    A trip to Sheffield Utd, next week then bring on the LEEDS. 
    
    We let them off the hook at Elland road, lets hope we can take them
    apart at Ewood, JUST LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy  
                                       
202.89WARNUT::WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringMon Jan 10 1994 16:266
    Andy,
    
    These Cup replays are just what United ordered! Have Blackburn
    re-arranged their 2 outstanding games yet?
    
    Simon.
202.90The MANU panto "ITS BEHIND YOU"WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Jan 10 1994 17:1718
    
    Simon,
    
    I suppose its only fair, given that we were having a rest and good
    laugh while you were having your arses kicked by a bunch of Turks
    (could this explain your mediocre form in December ?).
    
    The Wimbledon game will be next month, the Norwich game will probably be
    left until after your Easter collapse. 
    
    Good to see the mighty MANU worrying about whats going on at little
    Blackburn !
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy  
    
    p.s. You better bring your ref with you when you come to Ewood Park.
202.91Keep Gannin Blackburn....SIOG::A_KELLYMon Jan 10 1994 19:4352
    Andy,
      	Great note in conference 32 on the impending plight of the mighty
    reds. I notice the Stretford faithful have inundated the conference
    with their reasons for the recent performances. I guess it's the
    Ostrich Syndrome.
    	I feel also that the press' insistence that it is all over doesn't
    help United's cause. The way Motson for instance was drooling over
    Hughes' goal was sick rendering in the extreme. It was the *only* 10
    seconds of football in the whole game, whereas Newcastle and Blackburn
    score goals like that all the time.
    	I predicted in December (attached) that United wouldn't be
    champions, and it's up to us to make sure it doesn't happen.
    
    Best of luck, may the best football side win.
    
    Cheers......Ned
    
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    re - .3350
    
    >If United are the third best team in the world, one assumes the
    >Shopkeepers XI finished second?
    
    No...they were down at 24th....
    
    ..and yes "World Soccer" is English (surprise surprise)
    
    >Declan (who objectively hapens to think that the grunge in here has to
    >be read to be disbelieved)
    
    Couldn't agree more. United are so far ahead in the League now that
    everyone in here believes the hype that they are a great positive,
    entertaining footballing side to such an extent that, when a poor
    result occurs, it is not even worthy of a mention. No discussion in
    here about "how come Newcastle ran all over us?" or "what's wrong,
    only one win in the last four games?", because all that matters is
    not losing.
    I will make a very brave prediction here.....Manchester United will
    not be champions this season.
    The reason behind this.....simple....they rely more on the other side's
    fear of them than on their own positive behaviour (hence they were
    comprehensively outplayed by the Shopkeepers XI). I think the way was
    shown, last Saturday, to the rest of the Premiership by the Shopkeepers 
    2nd XI (they must be shopkeepers cos they're all English!).
    
    Here's looking forward to a great finale.
    
    Cheers.....Ned
202.92S&N drinkers unite !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Jan 10 1994 20:2235
    Ned,
    
    thanks for the support. I suspect those ostriches will be headless 
    chickens by Easter (and Brian Robson will be playing at Sweeper to 
    shore up the middle of the defence).
    
    Re the press: until recently there seemed to be a conspiracy of
    silence regarding Blackburn, it seemed only Leeds and Arsenal were 
    considered valid contenders. Newcastle currently receive the same 
    patronising s--t that Blackburn got last season, the old "haven't they
    done well but they won't stand the pace" story.
    
    Personally I'm quite happy to be 2nd and ignored at this stage, I just
    hope we have closed the gap by the time we entertain MANU at
    Easter.
    
    However, our real objective this year is to qualify for Europe, any 
    more is a bonus, any less brings out the chequebook !
    
    Will you be making the trip to Blackburn next month ? I was a bit 
    unhappy when we only drew at St. James' earlier this season but it looks 
    like a fair result now.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    P.S.
    
    Good to see Scott Sellars back on form, he was one of my favourites at
    Ewood but didn't have the right attitude for King Kenny. I started to 
    suspect that his illness (chest complaint?) was some kind of depression 
    thing because he had the same problem when he couldn't get in the 
    team at Blackburn, Leeds and Newcastle. On his day he's brilliant but 
    if his head goes down he's a waste of a shirt.     
202.93We can but hope...SIOG::A_KELLYTue Jan 11 1994 12:2523
    re - .92
    
    Andy,
    	As I'm based in Oirland I won't be at the game, but will be there
    in spirit. I see note 32 are (understandably) still taking the "crisis?,
    what crisis?" approach, and our attempt to panic them into submission
    is not working. Still a coupla more pathetic performances like last
    Sunday vs Sheff Utd (surely *any* other Premiership side would have
    *stuffed* United!) and they'll start to doubt.....
    
    Oh by the way you forgot about PC Schmeicel in your analysis of what is
    wrong at United. That man's ability to mind everyone's business but his
    his own will land him serious bother one of these days. I thought it
    was particularly funny when he came up for the injury time corner
    against your side. If I'd been Ferguson I'd have kicked his a**e from
    here to hell and back for that piece of crass stupidity. I was dying to
    see a Blackburn defender hoof it one from defence and score the
    clincher.
    
    Agree with you about Scott Sellars playing well, but I wish he'd learn
    to use his right foot.
    
    Cheers.....Ned
202.94Make the buggers sweat !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Jan 11 1994 12:5921
    Ned,
    
    We must keep trying to unsettle the mancs. Looking over your shoulder
    while trying to go forward can only lead to one thing ;-). 
    
    I remember when the Stretford End used to shit themselves with fear if 
    Bryan Robson sneezed.
    
    You are right about the large nutter in the goal though, he is an
    excellent goalkeeper but does seem to go beserk now and again. 
    
    Funny that its usually when things are not going to well (like when he
    decided he'd like to be a steward and throw a turk out of O.T.)! 
    
    Just another casualty of the fear uncertainty and doubt at United 
    I suppose.  
     
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
202.95SIOG::ESBECKDec Van EsbeckTue Jan 11 1994 13:091
    ...but not as good as David Seaman
202.96....Or Andy Goram!KIRKTN::ISUTHERLANDOh God,it's hard to be humble!!Tue Jan 11 1994 13:191
    
202.97Violent people deserve a good kickingWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Jan 11 1994 16:2730
    Stephen,
    
    I agree with your comments in the Portsmouth note about unacceptable
    behaviour but it does raise an issue about crowd control in the Darwen
    End.
    
    I wonder if any other noters have visited Blackburn as an away fan
    recently ?
    
    Last Saturday the stewards and police seemed to have it under control
    but we are talking about less than 100 second-rate trouble makers.
    
    Given that we have Newcastle and Leeds coming soon we have to be
    prepared for some seriously aggressive people (no offence to other
    supporters intended, I know its only a minority). 
    
    Just how safe do you feel protected only by a four foot fence and 
    some lads in bright anoraks ?.
    
    The last time Leeds(boxing day) and Newcastle(FACup) visited we had 8ft 
    iron railings on the Darwen End and the police were still required 
    to administer 'restraint'.
    
    I hope somebody is thinking seriously about changing the current set up, 
    we don't want to get banned from Europe before we qualify !
     
    Cheers,
    
    Andy.
    
202.98FA CUP replay?WOTVAX::NORTHSTue Jan 11 1994 16:2915
     
    RE:  FA CUP REPLAY V PORTSMOUTH
    
    I heard on the local news last night that this has been moved back
    24hrs to Wednesday 19th Jan due to television needs.
    
    Is this now live on sky or is it just for highlights on Sportsnight.
    
    Does anyone know.
    
    If it's on sky I need to book my place in the PUB (very near the bar)
    
    
    Stephen
    
202.99SUBURB::WAITEGDOUBLE TALKIN' JIVETue Jan 11 1994 16:315
    Its live on sky.
    
    
    
    /GAry
202.100in the pub?WOTVAX::NORTHSTue Jan 11 1994 20:2830
    Thanks Gary,
    
    Major headache on Thursday morning I think and hopefully a place in the
    4th round against Charlton (who beat Burnley but thats not difficult).
    
    Lets hope Sky get some decent pundits (As they normally slag us off).
    
    
    Andy,
    
    With regards to the segregation in the Darwen End, as I'm in the top
    tier which they have now made all Rovers fans I don't really feel it
    but I agree with what you are saying in that potentially we have a
    very serious problem (good job we don't play Burnley anymore).
    
    I think we have got to hope that the Leeds and Newcastle behave
    themselves inside the ground.  I am more concerned about the way
    that they let the away fans out at the same time as everyone else and
    then everyone meets at the bank of the darwen end.  Every other premier
    league and most football league clubs keep the fans inside the ground
    for at least  10 mins to let the home fans disperse.
    
    I think that the club and the police are a trusting lot and
    unfortunatly we may have to learn the hard way.
    
    Stephen
    
    
    
                                                                          
202.101mingle, mingle, mingleUPROAR::LEMPThere ain't no Sanity Clause....Wed Jan 12 1994 12:249
    re -1 
    
    I think that most clubs let all fans out of the ground at the same time
    nowadays. The last time I was held inside was three years ago now. I
    don't think that your police are doing anything out of the ordinary.
    
    Paul.
    
    
202.102TV FootballWOTVAX::NORTHSFri Jan 14 1994 16:4512
    
    RE .99
    
    Just heard that sky are now not showing the Portsmouth replay but the
    good news is that the Rovers are going to beam the match live to Ewood
    Park anyway.
    
    Bad news:  5 quid a seat (limited to 8,000)
    
    
    
    
202.103BRFC European Tour 94-95 - Book EarlyWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Jan 17 1994 14:4911
    
    T.V. evidence suggests that Sheffield United are still blessed with all
    the charm and skill one expects from a Dave Bassett team.
    
    Sheffield United 1 Shearer 2
    
    If there is another god up there then he won't let them off the hook
    this time. 
    
    Good to see Leeds dropping points this week, can't wait for Sunday! 
     
202.104Portsmouth...1 Blackburn....3SIOG::A_KELLYThu Jan 20 1994 11:4511
    
    Good result for the alliance last night as Blackburn beat Pompey 3-1
    in the replay.
    
    Mind you they got just a little help from some wicked deflections
    (especially A. Shearer, who was well out of sorts) and Jason 'Maradona'
    Wilcox who literally belted one in with his left arm. Hansen said
    afterwards on BBC, "he could get a game for the England Volleyball 
    Team". =8^))
    
    Cheers.....Ned
202.105Jason "Maradona" Wilcox indeed!PAVONE::TURNERThu Jan 20 1994 13:2417
    re: .104
    
    >Mind you they got just a little help from some wicked deflections
    >(especially A. Shearer, who was well out of sorts) and Jason 'Maradona'
    >Wilcox who literally belted one in with his left arm. Hansen said
    >afterwards on BBC, "he could get a game for the England Volleyball 
    >Team". =8^))
    
    That Alliance is sounding shakier by the day, eh, Ned? I reckon the
    next Newcastle-Blackburn game could lead to an outbreak of civil war.
    
    Not that we ostriches really need to concern ourselves with these
    things...
    
    Dom
    
    
202.106Man on!!!!!SIOG::A_KELLYThu Jan 20 1994 13:4312
    re - .104
    
    >The alliance is sounding shakier by the day....
    
    Don't know if you watched Blackburn last night, but (my previous joking
    aside) they were mighty impressive. They were so strong and created
    many chances against a side you have to play soon. If I were a Manc I'd
    be fairly concerned about them creeping up behind. They really are the
    only serious threat to United's hopes and currently the strongest side
    in the alliance.
    
    Cheers.....Ned
202.107Onward and Upward, Entertainment by McEwansWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Jan 20 1994 14:4925
    
    I only got radio coverage last night but it sounded like a pretty good
    performance by the blues. Not much quality about two of the three goals
    but plenty of other chances created which can't be a bad thing. 
    
    Hendry went off injured, hope he's back for the Leeds match. Moran did
    a solid job although I was surprised at him being on the bench
    ahead of Marker. A bigger surprise was Dobson being sub after the way
    he played at Blackburn.
    
    7000 had a good time watching it on the big screen down at 
    Blackburn, although I understand 2000 of the faithful didn't arrive until 
    after Coronation Street :-)
    
    After a relatively hesitant start to the season the blues have
    generally been getting better and better. The team pretty much 
    picks itself at the moment but when Newell and Warhurst are fit it might 
    get more interesting.
    
    Things are looking good as we come into a difficult set of fixtures, 
    
    Long live the Alliance...cheers,
    
    Andy
                                                           
202.108PAVONE::TURNERThu Jan 20 1994 15:3814
    re: .106 
    
    No, I didn't see Blackburn last night. Italian TV has bought the rights
    to show the Premier league matches (encoded) and the F.A. Cup only.
    Don't worry, I do take Blackburn and Newcastle perfectly seriously (I
    saw the Mancs vs. Newcastle on MOTD when I was back last
    August/September). I reckon United will only have themselves to blame
    if they let it slip now, but next season should be a real cracker.
    
    Wharever happens, here's hoping that one of Newcastle, Blackburn or
    Man. Utd can come over here and give Inter or Milan a footballing
    lesson at San Siro next season!
    
    Dom 
202.109TV FootballWOTVAX::NORTHSThu Jan 20 1994 16:0826
    
    I was one of the 7000 at Ewood last night watching the big screen. 
    First time I've seen this idea used but I must admit it was very
    effective.  I don't know how much the blues were paying the commentator
    but it was the most biased commentry I've ever heared.
    
    I must admit it was quite funny watching everyone doing the SHEARER BOW
    to the big screen.
    
    On the match,
    
    I thought we were extremely impressive thoughout although the quality
    of the goals did not match up to the overall display.  Like Andy I hope
    that Colin (show your arse) Hendry is fit for Sunday as I think that
    Leeds will be a somewhat stronger test for the mighty Blues.
    
    So onto the 4th round; Charlton at the Valley; it will be interesting
    what the Rovers do about this one as we will only be allocatted 1500
    tickets and there will be alot of disappointed supportors missing this
    one.
    
    Wembley here we come.
    
    
    Stephen 
    
202.110Are away fans a dying breed ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Jan 20 1994 17:4430
    
    Please can somebody help me understand the situation regarding tickets
    for away fans. 
    
    I'm sure I read that a 25% ticket allocation is required
    for FA Cup matches, in fact last season (while building work was
    underway) Blackburn were forced to move season ticket holders to 
    allow the necessary Sheffield fans. So whats this 1500 tickets for 
    Charlton crap, does their ground really only hold 6000 ?
    
    And while I'm on this subject is it really at the whim of the clubs
    concerned to allocate league tickets. In days gone by I seem to
    remember away fans generally got an end whether they could fill it or 
    not and when it was full it was full. I guess it still works this way
    in much of the league. It seems these days that some Premier league clubs
    will only give visitors a token allocation of seats and get pretty
    pissed off when they get the same treatment at a smaller ground.
    
    Anybody who ever went to Luton will appreciate that taken to its
    ridiculous conclusion this kind of mentality can ruin football.
    
    Personally I think the atmosphere generated by the crowd when there is
    a good away following really does raise the game on the pitch. 
    
    Any opinions ?
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
                
202.111give us some seatsWOTVAX::NORTHSFri Jan 21 1994 16:4025
    
    Andy,
    
    My understand of the new Valley; from speaking to some of my mates who
    went down to watch Burnley in the last round; is that the stadium only
    holds 8500 and they allocate on end to the visitors which means that
    visiting teams get 1500.
    
    My understanding if the FA rules is as yours, that is that 25% of the
    ground capacity should be given to visiting fans.  I also believe that
    the police can veto this if they feel that sufficient segregaton cannot
    be provided.
    
    I think that there should be some policy which actually states the
    percentage of tickets that a club has to give to visiting fans, and
    that this should be a percentage of the ground capacity.  I don't
    suppose MUFC would like this idea but they should have thought of this
    when they redeveloped Old Trafford.
    
    Stephen
    
    PS: Can't wait until Sunday.
    
    
    
202.112Blackburn 2 - 1 LeedsSIOG::A_KELLYMon Jan 24 1994 12:355
    
    Well done to the Blackburn half of the McEwans Alliance. Hope you
    weren't relying on any support from the other half. >8^))
    
    Cheers....Ned
202.113Leeds true colorsWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Jan 24 1994 12:3949
    Blackburn 2
    Leeds     1
    
    Blackburn march on !
    
    I think anyone who saw this on Sky would have to agree Blackburn went 
    out yesterday and took Leeds apart. With the exception of a 20 minute
    spell in the second half the Rovers dominated the game with a tremendous 
    fast passing game that provided far more chances than the two that Shearer
    put away. The first goal was a cracking volley from a Wilcox cross 
    about 10 minutes into the game. The second was the injury time header
    again coming from a cross from the left, Le Saux I think.
    
    Batty and Sherwood in midfield made McAllister and Strachan look like a
    couple of old men who to their credit worked hard throughout but
    couldn't live with Rovers use of the flanks.
    
    Leeds looked better in the second half, inspired by a screamer from
    Speed  who found the top corner from outside the box. Unfortunately
    they really didn't have very much to offer up front, I can't remember
    how much they paid for Deane but he's not in the same league as
    Shearer.
    
    A couple of low points from the day:
    
    Probably 1000 of the 2500 Leeds followers showed themselves to be
    IGNORANT SCUM when they moronically chanted about Don Revie during the
    minutes silence for Sir Matt. I'm sure other Leeds fans will be as
    disgusted as their players clearly were with such behaviour.
    
    The referee appeared to be consistantly poor. Although it was always
    going to be a difficult game he managed to alienate both sets of fans
    with some astounding decisions. Once again the problem of inconsistent
    interpretation of the rules was highlighted when Gallagher was dropped
    just outside the penalty area in the course of a clear run on goal. I
    think is was fairclough who was very lucky to stay on the park.
    
    Still looking strong, if MANU do faulter we'll be there, if they don't 
    then Europe is looking a little nearer now. 
    
    News from the building site is that the new stand will be, not
    surprisingly, called the Jack Walker Stand and ready for the start of 
    next season.
    
    Don't know what went wrong at Newcastle but the alliance remain strong,
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.114IRNBRU::HOWARDvamos a la playaMon Jan 24 1994 12:4810
    -1
    
    i also found it amazing how Fairclough stayed on the field....in my
    opinion there is no grey area here. Gallagher thru 1 on 1 with the
    keeper and he's tripped. surely he has to be sent off....
    
    and the ref's wonder why they get a bad press....
    
    well done to Blackburn anyway. a hell of a result....
    Ray
202.115On and On and OnWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Jan 24 1994 13:4924
    
    Well, the Blues go marching on and on.
    
    I havn't enjoyed myself so much since the play-off final at Wembley.
    
    
    Without dwelling to much on the idiots from Leeds, I would have thought
    that with the video equipment that they have at Ewood they could
    identify the prats (especially the ones with the flag) and then Leeds
    could ban them from travelling.  I felt for the Leeds players and
    management and the majority of normal Leeds fans who keep having their
    clubs name tarnished by the SCUM.
    
    
    Maybe we won't catch United, maybe we will, but whatever happens I
    think a few PD's will be taken next season for midweek trips to Europe.
    
    
    
    Stephen
    Kenny's Barmy Army.
    
    
       
202.116BRFC, class on and off the pitch !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Jan 24 1994 15:4726
              
    For all the United fans who are looking over their shoulders at the
    moment, Blackburn Rovers have arranged their two games in hand.  
    
    Pleased to see the temperature rising between Leeds and MANU, by rights
    the reds should stuff 'em but I actually fancy Leeds if it turns into a
    highly charged battle.
    
    Anyway....
    
    Blackburn vs Wimbledon  5th February
    Norwich vs Blackburn   23rd February
    
    The big question at the moment is whether Blackburn and Newcastle will
    both make it to the 5th round of the F.A. Cup. If they do then the
    'Alliance' game at Ewood Park will have to be postponed because it was
    scheduled for 19th February.
    
    Now wouldn't that be a nice one to leave until May !
    
    (Ned, You could probably make the trip and call it your Summer
    Holiday). 
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy   
202.117Great EntertainmentADDULT::ROBERTSONSome days are bouncers that won't let you inMon Jan 24 1994 15:4820
202.118Excellent match - ref let it flow very well I thoughBERN01::ZBSWX2::GOODEJMon Jan 24 1994 16:3422
    
    Re last couple.
    
    	I watched the game live on Sky and have to say I too thought the
    Leeds guy had to walk. However, the slow-mo replay clearly showed that
    the Leeds guy fell overhimself and into Gallagher without meaning too.
    So, on this occasion the ref was right.
    
    	What did you think of Batty's performance. I thought he played well
    but spoilt it with his greediness. Both times when he took the ball on
    and shot from outside the box, a number of Blackburn players were in
    space. Gallagher also blew a great chance when one of the Leeds
    fullbacks passed the ball to him in space. A bit more discipline and it
    would have been all over by half time.
    
    	Shearer's finishing was excellent - the speed the 2nd one flew in it
    could have been volleyed! Given that Waddle is still out, Bradford are
    looking good to push United very hard indeed. 
    
    Its going to be a cracking few months.
    
    JBG                  
202.119Anyone see Bradford Northern on Friday?? 8-)BERN01::ZBSWX2::GOODEJMon Jan 24 1994 16:391
    
202.120Well, Blackburn and Bradford N. play a similar style !BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Mon Jan 24 1994 16:477
    Well I suppose Jon may have a point. If Manchester United go out on the
    field against Bradford Northern it could quite conceivably throw the
    league right open. Even a squad as strong as United at the moment can't
    afford to have Thirteen players out with broken necks !!!  (I don't
    think shin-pads would help much either !!!)
    
    Jerry.
202.121Batty getting better in a good side !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Jan 24 1994 16:5532
    JBG,
    
    RE: Batty
    
    You have to give this lad a bit of slack, he spent years at Leeds being
    expected to play the anchor role in midfield behind the more attacking
    members of the team. (his own words, not mine) Kenny is allowing him 
    to express himself a bit more and the world is seeing a much better 
    player for it.
    
    I agree he had a couple of optimistic shots when with hindsight he 
    could have passed but you have to put it in context. 
    
    I don't know if you could see it on the telly but there was 
    a hell of a wind blowing and in those circumstances i'm sure Kenny 
    had told them to have a dip, (as Leeds did in the second
    half). With Shearer and Gallagher ready for anything that comes free
    I would have liked a few more long range efforts. 
    
    Batty is pumped-up and playing tremendously at the moment, when he gets 
    his first goal for us you will see some celebrating !
    
    > Shearer's finishing was excellent - the speed the 2nd one flew in it
    > could have been volleyed! Given that Waddle is still out, Bradford are
    > looking good to push United very hard indeed. 
   
    Er, let me guess, Bradford means Blackburn, and Waddle means "Newell"
    although Hendry and Warhurst were also missing on Saturday :-).
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.122After 2 years working with Bolger its hardly surprisingBERN01::ZBSWX2::GOODEJMon Jan 24 1994 17:035
    
    	Sorry Andy, I was trying to put a reply in the rugby conference and
    got a bit muddled! Any Castleton supporters about??
    
    JBG
202.123classy cas !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Jan 24 1994 17:438
    JBG
    
    I've supported a fair amount of Castle Eden and Castlemaine in my
    time and currently have an Alliance with Newcastle,
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.124Well, I suppose I was wrongWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Jan 27 1994 16:3413
     
    I finally watched the video of the Rovers beating Leeds and am prepared
    to accept that Fairclough probably didn't deserve to walk in the
    Gallagher incident. However the film did not give an accurate
    representation of reaction of how angry the Leeds players were
    regarding the behaviour of their followers.
    
    Now I know why I keep paying up, the best T.V coverage in the world
    cannot give you the atmosphere and emotion of being there.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy    
202.125taking the long road to Wembley ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Feb 01 1994 14:2320
    Stephen,
    
    I presume you watched the Charlton fiasco on the outdoor telly !
    
    As Graham Taylor would say " ****ing hell, eh ? eh ? eh ?, we went to
    ****ing sleep didn't we eh ? eh? eh? "
    
    I didn't go, and didn't even get to listen to the radio coverage so I
    have to rely on Newspapers.
    
    Seems to me that you only realise how solid May and Hendry are when you
    realise Marker and Moran struggle against a big centre forward from the
    1st Division.
    
    But from what I gather we didn't even create chances, the title of this 
    note says it all !
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.126Wheres big ALWOTVAX::NORTHSTue Feb 01 1994 16:1617
    
    Andy,
    
    Unfortunatly I didn't make it to Ewood to watch the tele on Saturday,
    to busy relaxing in the peak district.
    
    Let's hope it was a one off and that we can get back to normal for
    Wimbledon on Saturday.
    
    Theres a rumour flying around at the moment that big AL's due to leave
    at the end of the season to go to Italy????????
    
    
    Keep the Riverside singing.
              
    Stephen
    
202.127Whoever left Italy as a success ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Feb 01 1994 17:2637
    Stephen,
    
    Big Al going to Italy sounds like another load of bull, just like 
    Platty and Fatty coming back to play with Batty.  
    
    I would be very surprised if even Milan could put up enough money to 
    convince Blackburn to let him go at the moment when they are probably 
    the only club in the country who can easily ignore someone elses 
    chequebook. I know nobody is priceless but given Blackburns current
    situation he must be the closest.
    
    But why should he move now when he's still only young ? At the moment
    he's got great prospects, great money and little pressure. The guy is
    having the time of his life !
    
    If he waits until the end of next season he will very likely have won 
    something with Blackburn, put himself about a bit in the European 
    competition, and established himself as a world class centre forward 
    in Terry Venables New England.
    
    And if it is money he's after then what will he be worth after the 
    European Championships ?.
    
    Domestically I understand that Mrs Al has a tiny Al to look after and 
    likes to stay close to her mum, it took her a while to move 300 miles
    let alone 3000. And what has Italy got that Blackburn hasn't ?
    
    So what do I know, maybe I'll have to settle for second best and we'll
    be watching Baggio and Fonseca in the old Blue and White next season.   
     
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    P.S. I hope it keeps dry on Saturday, with the opposite side gone there
    is nothing to protect me from the Tockholes weather !
                                              
202.128PEKING::COSSEYNWorld Cup 1994 ZZzzzTue Feb 01 1994 17:417
    
    When Man Utd lift all three trophys this season how will the European
    places be deceided ?.. I guess the losers of the F.A cup/Coka Cola Cup
    go into the Cup Winners or will extra places be allocated in the UEFA cup,
    if so, third place might be all right for Blackburn...Anyone know.. 
    
    Neil...
202.129SIOG::ESBECKDec Van EsbeckTue Feb 01 1994 18:166
    When Arsenal won the Coca-Cola cup and the F.A. cup last year
    (qualifying for Europe twice) the place they had earned in the UEFA cup
    di not go to the Runners-up (Sheff Wed). It wnet to the third placed
    team in the league (Norwich).
    
    Declan
202.130You are my sunshineRDGENG::YERKESSbring me sunshine in your smileTue Feb 01 1994 20:0318
re .127

;And what has Italy got that Blackburn hasn't ?

	Andy,

	I was born in Blackburn (brought up in Oswaldtwistle) and lived 
	in Italy for a couple of years. So I should be able to answer 
	this one. The first thing that comes to mind is the sun, but 
	having seen Blackburn on TV it would seem that Alan Shearer is 
	definitely bringing quite a lot of sunshine to the Blackburn fans. 
	So I hope they don't let him go, or the wind and rain might begin 
	to bite.

	One thing Alan might miss in Italy is the fish n chip shops
	and the friendly "What would you like chuck?".

	Phil. 
202.131Blackburn European Tour 94-95WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Feb 01 1994 20:218
    Declan has it right, but if, as Neil says, MANU lift all three trophies
    this season then I hope they will do it wearing that nice Black kit as
    a tribute to all the referees that helped them along the way ;-)
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
202.132Home is where the good beer is.WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Feb 01 1994 20:3512
    
    Re: 130
    
    Phil,
    
    what the hell is a man from Ozzy doing outside of East Lancashire ?
    
    and the Sun is only good for wrapping Fish and Chips anyway !
                                           
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.133RDGENG::YERKESSbring me sunshine in your smileWed Feb 02 1994 14:3717
RE .132

	Andy,

	My parents are to blame, fancy moving down south -).

	And it gets worse, I'm now a cider drinker. Well the
	bitter is not the same down south.

	Oh to be back in Accie, I must do it sometime in the
	near future. Maybe pay a visit to Ewood park, though
	my memories of previous visits have not been happy
	ones (that is the quality of football). Things have
	changed and the Burnley fans must be feeling sick these
	days.

	Phil.
202.134WARNUT::WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringWed Feb 02 1994 15:364
    re .131
    Andy,
    I bet you're glad we lent you a ref for the Charlton game :-
    
202.135Its a trendWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Feb 02 1994 16:3021
    
    Simon,
    
    yes, thanks for the ref.  
    
    This is not the first time this season that we had to go through a draw 
    before stuffing a crap team at the next meeting, first Shrewsbury, then
    Portsmouth, next its Charlton and then MANU !
    
    :-) :-) :-) :-)
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    p.s. Was that you getting set hidden in the MANU note ? or was is alex
    Ferguson coming out with another load of b*****ks.
    
    
    
    
202.136No more money, just 2.2 million !WOTVAX::MACDONALDIStalybridge CelticWed Feb 02 1994 18:3115
    
    I'm sure I read over the weekend that Jack Walker has pulled the plug
    on any further transfers this season. Having said that in true
    contradictory style they and buy a below average player like Ruel Fox. 
    
    Just a quick couple of questions, and no doubt Andy would be able to 
    answer,  
    1. How many goals have Blackburn scored this season ?
    2. How many has Shearer scored(some ridiculous amount I know)?
    3. Who else has scored for Blackburn and how many?(if any:-)
    
    Curiosity just getting the better of me!
    
    
    mac 
202.137More goals to come !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Feb 02 1994 19:0921
    
    Ian,
    
    have you been sniffing the marker pens again - everyone else thinks
    Ruel Fox has gone to Newcastle.
    
    I don't have the Rovers goal stats in my head but I will check them in
    Saturdays program, suffice to say that Shearers averaging a goal a game, 
    Gallachers got a handful, Newell got a handful before he got injured 
    and theres probably half a dozen of them got one or two each.
    
    Obviously Big Al is the man at the moment but as we don't play much
    route 1 stuff the team has to play well to set up the chances for him.
    
    The difference is that Wilcox is a great provider and he is only just back
    after missing about 15 games through injury. I expect the goal average
    to be much better in the second half of the season.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy                                     
202.138ESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Wed Feb 02 1994 20:517
202.139There League Goals OnlyESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Wed Feb 02 1994 21:001
202.140goals goalsWOTVAX::MACDONALDIStalybridge CelticWed Feb 02 1994 21:4833
    re -.137
    
    
    Andy,
        sniff!
    <have you been sniffing marker pens as Ruel Fox has gone to Newcaste(or
    words to that affect)
    sniff! 
    I can only admit to sniffing the 'blue' marker pens, as I've run out of
    the other colours. This has obviously hampered the brain cells today,
    that and the fact that Blacky and Newky play in the same colours:-)
    well sponsored by the same company at least.
    sniff!
    I'll say no more!
    
    On the subject of who scores the goals, thank you Brian for the stats,
    it is plain to see that Shearer is the goal king. Where would you be
    without him? I know he has been injured, and has remarkably carried on
    where he left off from earlier in the season. BUT I can't see where the
    source of goals will come from if he gets injured again(I hope not, I
    think Shearer is in a class of his own). You mentioned Newell etc.. who have
    scored a couple or so each, had Shearer been out for the season(eg
    Naill Quinn) then you would be struggling around mid to lower end of
    the table.  Will Kenny have to buy another forward? everyone is on the
    bandwaggon for Ferdy, but he will cost mega-bucks, and as I mentioned
    before will Walker sacrifice another XXX million of pounds to finish
    second in the league. 
    Only Europe to look forward too, the same as Newcastle, and with MANCHESTER
    UNITED at the fore-front England are going to be strong in Europe next 
    season.
    sniff!
     
    mac                                                       
202.141Out of order MacWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Feb 03 1994 13:0925
    Ian,
    
    can't let that b*****ks go unanswered.
    
    Shearer is the best centre forward in the country at the moment but 
    Blackburn are not a one-man team. The team making the chances is as 
    important as the guy knocking them in. I am pleased just to know that
    we have someone so consistent at finding the net.
    
    Shearer was out with injury for over half of last season yet because
    the chances were still being created Blackburn were still the top
    scorers in the premiership (and very few had a better goal difference).
    
    Shearer and Gallacher is a pretty good combination at the moment but
    with Newell and Warhurst also in the squad I don't see any reason to
    worry. Its not as if we have to call up Dion Dublin in a crisis :-).
    
    I'd like to see the statisticians come up with the top scorers at
    United over the years, I suppose we'd have to go back to Denis Law to
    find someone with a reasonable strike-rate ! Maybe thats why United
    were so desperate to get Big Al in the first place ;-)
    
    Cheers,                                           
    
    Andy
202.142security in numbersNEWOA::FIDO_TConation is the keyThu Feb 03 1994 14:0910
>    I'd like to see the statisticians come up with the top scorers at
>    United over the years, I suppose we'd have to go back to Denis Law to
>    find someone with a reasonable strike-rate ! 
    
    That may be true, but I feel that one of the reasons for United's success 
    over the last couple of seasons is that they have a large number of players
    who score 8-10 goals per season, rather than rely on one main
    goalscorer.
    
    Terry
202.143Never sell a good No. 9 - Brian Clough ;-)WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Feb 03 1994 15:2623
    Terry,
    
    great strategy that, keep buying crap centre forwards so that the rest
    of the team have to do the job for them ;-) funny how it took them so 
    long to perfect it.
    
    I'd still like to see the statistics though, I have some great memories
    of watching MANU struggling to find the net especially in Big Ron's era, 
    Garry Birtles, Peter Davenport, Alan Brazil ... all good for a laugh. The
    ones I actually liked were Andy Ritchie, more recently Mark Robins, and
    i'll always have a soft spot for Big Joe Jordan. Poor Joe, I remember he
    went because they wouldn't pay him 2k a week, then Ron went out and
    bought Brazil and gave him the same money Joe wanted.    
    
    Blackburn on the other hand have a history of great centre forwards
    some of whom are known to other noters: 
    
    JIMMY QUINN,  SIMON GARNER  need I say more :-) :-) :-)
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
          
202.144What DivisionESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Thu Feb 03 1994 16:1613
202.145Its not what you've got its how you spend it !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Feb 03 1994 16:4831
    
    If you don't want to discuss centre forwards, and I can appreciate why
    not, then i'm happy to respond to your taunt :-) 
    
    > where were Blackburn ?
    
    In the lower divisions not achieving our ambitions, spending nowt, but 
    watching and learning. 
    
    Would you believe there was a club down the road spending millions and 
    millions and still not achieving their ambitions either !. 
    
    That was when we decided that if we ever did get some serious money to
    spend we would have to spend it wisely, apparantly if you think you can
    just go out and buy success it takes 26 years before you find a magic
    frenchman to win it for you :-)
    
    Go on, please, look in your big red book and find me those statistics !
    
    I bet Cunno would, but then he supports a team that values goal
    scorers.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    p.s. Keep smiling, :-)  :-)  :-)
                                  
    A Blackburn note is a what, a happy note, thats right !     
    
            
202.146Cunno Get Your Teeth Into ThisESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Thu Feb 03 1994 20:137
202.1471914 - end of an EraWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Feb 03 1994 20:4613
    
    I'm glad that amuses you :-) I told you this was a happy note. 
    
    Still, you seem pretty determined not to talk about goal scorers, 
    maybe we'll have to rely on Cunno, although I fear a deluge of 
    propaganda regarding Rushie and the great Aldo.
                             
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
     
    p.s. Where is ESSB:: ? And do you go to O.T. ?
    
202.148XSTACY::MDUNPHYJust another Day!!Thu Feb 03 1994 21:362
	Ever heard of Galway???? Well look no further
202.149WARNUT::WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringFri Feb 04 1994 15:5711
    Andy,
    
    United fans are quite happy to admit that their purchases of centre
    forwards has been suspect.
    
    We wanted Shearer -- he even promised to join us -- but money talked
    himn out of it.
    
    McClair was our last scorer to get over 20 goals a season.
    
    Usually someone gets 15 or so -- Hughes, Bruce!, Stapleton ..
202.150Refreshing honesty that !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Feb 04 1994 16:4043
    Hello Simon,     
        
    > United fans are quite happy to admit that their purchases of centre
    > forwards has been suspect.
    
    Well at least one of you is. 
    
    > We wanted Shearer -- he even promised to join us -- but money talked
    > himn out of it.
    
    Sounds just like the Roy Keane deal to me, with hindsight that looks like
    1-0 to us I think :-)
    
    Oh how I smile when I hear a Manu fan complaining about loosing in the
    transfer market.
    
    > McClair was our last scorer to get over 20 goals a season.
    
    Bet it wasn't very much over. Was it really Denis Law before that ?
    
    > Usually someone gets 15 or so -- Hughes, Bruce!, Stapleton ..
    
    Course, I forgot about Frankie Frankie, he comes in the category of
    those I liked, superb header of the ball and such deceptive pace.
    Unfortunately the only thing deceptive about it was that it made Norman
    Whiteside look quick ;-)
    
    Why doesn't Fergie go and buy Les Ferdinand, with the quality of
    crosses that Kanchelskis can provide I'm sure it would prove very
    effective. Its a shame that such good service is squandered by the
    bicycle-kicking welshman if Old Brucie hasn't managed to amble up to the
    six yard box.
    
    Hey, you are not doing bad for a team that still needs a goal
    scorer and a centre half !
    
    I suppose after that you'll be coming down to see me this afternoon, 
    don't forget to bring your mate ! 
    
    Yours, in sport,
    
    Andy      
                 
202.151Fisticuffs in SarajevoR2ME2::HINXMANIn the range of strangeFri Feb 04 1994 17:1512
	re .147

>	1914 - end of an Era

	"The lamps are going out all over Europe. We shall not see them lit
	again in our lifetime."

	Although I think "the end of civilization as we know it" is more
	normally attributed to the First World War than to Blackburn's winning
	the league.

	Tony
202.152LEMAN::SIMPSONThe future sure isn't what it used to beMon Feb 07 1994 10:449
RE: -.1

Tony,
	You've got no time to be answering mails like this - we NEED that OO
IDL compiler (well, at least I do!)...

Good luck

-Steve
202.153WARNUT::TPCASE::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringMon Feb 07 1994 13:197
Andy,

I won't be surprised to see Ferdinand in a United shirt by the beginning of
next season.

As for us needing a centre-half -- I just can't follow the logic. We have
the best pairing in the country.
202.154ESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Mon Feb 07 1994 13:198
202.155Some AnswersWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Feb 07 1994 13:3716
    
    re: 153
    
    Simon, if you can't follow the logic is it arrogance or stupidity that
    has you believing that you can go on forever without your centre
    halves getting suspended or injured ?.
    
    re: 154
    
    Mr Blong, I'm impressed that you make the effort to get to O.T. from
    Galway good performance that. Perhaps you could draw Simon a map ;-).
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
     
202.156CHICKEN 'N' BEANS !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Feb 07 1994 13:3850
Blackburn 3
Wimbledon 0

Before the kick off I was a little apprehensive, May and Hendry still not 
back, Marker and Moran in to face Holdsworth and Fashanu. In the past Rovers 
have been put out of their stride by up and under bruisers.

I needn't have worried, Holdsworth didn't play and Wimbledon pushed Sheffield 
United hard for their "crappest outfit in the league" title. 

Goal 1 - Graeme Le Saux plays a 1-2 with Wilcox and is blatantly hacked down 
in the box, up steps Shearer and the penalty is clinically executed.

Goal 2 - Wilcox plays a 1-2 with Le Saux and hits a screamer into the 
top corner from 25 yards.

Goal 3 - Wilcox goes round the outside of the fullback, puts in a vicious 
low cross, Gallacher fails to connect with the ball and ends up in a 
heap with Segers, Stuart Ripley is there to tap it in.

Bad news, Tim Sherwood goes off with shoulder injury, Good News, straight to 
hospital and no damage found, just bruises. 

More good news, on comes young Andy Morrison, Rovers 5th centre half, who 
looks like a Rugby League forward and plays like Alan Hansen !. The big 
black guy with the elbows didn't get a look in.

So its half time and time to reflect. Its all over, but really the
opposition are dreadful, should get a bagful in the second half.

Bad news, Wimbledon come out a bit more inspired, their work rate goes up, 
but as their tactics are still totally predictable the yellow card count 
goes up and up. Blackburn opt for safety first i.e. just try pass it around
and keep out of trouble, Shearer gets a knock on his ankle and comes off.

A little worrying about the injury count at the moment but the strength of 
squad comes through when a lad making his debut snuffs out Fashanu and plays
with confidence. As he has demonstrated so far Kenny will not rush people
back from injury and while the points keep piling up there is no pressure.  

So its three more points in the bag and the trip to Europe is starting to
look more likely. 

I've got my ticket for the Charlton replay on Tuesday, hoping for an injury
free passage into the next round.

Cheers,

Andy 

202.157R2ME2::HINXMANIn the range of strangeMon Feb 07 1994 17:519
	re .152

> Tony,
>	You've got no time to be answering mails like this - we NEED that OO
> IDL compiler (well, at least I do!)...

	Not me, guv. Since the end of November I've moved to the UCS RTL project.

	Tony
202.158Strange DecisionsWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Feb 08 1994 15:5232
    
    Are we the only club that asks HOME fans to stay behind for 10
    minutes so that AWAY fans can get away first ?
    
    Luckily its only the Darwen End, bet you are pleased about that Stephen ! 
    
    Charlton tonight, with late fitness tests on May, Hendry, Sherwood and 
    Shearer.
    
    I wouldn't like to bet on the team when there are so many variables but 
    I have no worries about the defence, Morrison looks like a star of the 
    future (I only doubt his speed at the moment).
    
    However i'm not sure Marker is any kind of replacement for Sherwood in
    midfield, I would give Sherwoods place to Lee Makel if necessary
    because of his passing and creativity, he might be a bit small but Batty 
    will look after him ! 
    
    I haven't formed an opinion about Pearce yet, looks a bit like Duncan
    Shearer/Steve Livingstone to me, but Kenny obviously likes to have him 
    on the bench for some reason. 
    
    Even without Newell and Warhurst there are still a lot of options, 
    put Ripley down the middle and give Ireland a run on the right ? 
    or maybe even Super Atko will be back ?. 
    
    My god, how does Kenny cope with all these decisions ? 
    
    Wish I had his problems ;-)
    
    Andy.                      
      
202.159Missing Last OrdersWOTVAX::NORTHSTue Feb 08 1994 16:3829
    
    Andy,
    
    Re: Darwen End HOME fans to stay behind for 10 minutes.
    
    Where did you hear this?  I've seen nothing in the local press.
    
    If this is the case it will not make that much difference to me as
    it take us top-tier's about 15 minutes to get out anyway.
    
    Nothing will amaze me at the moment about some of the off-field
    decisions that are being made.  One of my mates offered to go to Ewood
    to get my Charlton ticket and had to queue for 2 hours at 11.00am in
    the morning.  God help us when the stadium finished and we are trying
    to sell 30,000 tickets.  The board then have cheek to blame it all on
    McAlpines.    
    
    
    
    I must admit I'm a bit worried about tonight, half the team injured,
    Charlton will come fancying their chances.  Just hope that Big Al and
    Bat's are fit we can managed without the rest.
    
    
    See you speeding up the M6 at 5.30pm.
    
    Stephen
    
     
202.160Keep in the home fansPIECES::63585::SWIFFENTue Feb 08 1994 19:197
Sounds a good idea to keep the home fans in as the
away fans do not want to hang around, you can stick 
them on the buses/trains and get them out of the area
before the home fans are let out.  Can't see anyone
adopting it though!

Chris.
202.161Radio Rovers MW 1413WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Feb 08 1994 19:2010
    Stephen,
    
    the Darwen End home fans were asked to stay behind for 10 minutes at
    future games, this was announced on Radio Rovers before and after the
    Wimbledon game, I think there was also something in the program about
    it.
                                    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy 
202.162Silly ideaWOTVAX::NORTHSTue Feb 08 1994 20:1618
    
    Andy,
    
    Was this a request or an instruction?
    
    Must admit I didn't hear it on Radio Rovers on the ground.
    
    Sounds crazy to me, it's not the Rovers support who cause the problems,
    in fact the Rovers support have an excelliant record both home and
    away.  I would have thought it made more sense to ask the visitors to
    remain in their seats as happens elsewhere.
    
    Can't wait until next season when we transfer back into the Blackburn
    End and put some atmosphere back into place.
    
    Stephen
    
     
202.163Blackburn 0:1 CharltonWARNUT::WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringWed Feb 09 1994 12:092
    Well, Andy, you can now concentrate on the league, as they say, but
    even that's a lost cause!
202.164WheresWOTVAX::NORTHSWed Feb 09 1994 14:4137
    
    Well, I'm finally recovering from my self-inflicted headache after
    last nights game.  
    
    Although credit should be given to Charlton for the way they played, it
    should be said that they had their fair share of luck.
    
    	1)	Defected goal
    	2) 	Big Al missing open goals (at least we know he's now human)
    	3)	A linesman who doesn't know what off side is.
    
    We missed Tim Sherwood in midfield, can't understand why Kenny played
    Marker in midfield, he didn't have a clue.  I would have give one of
    the young lads a chance - Makel, Ireland.
    
    
    I know this sounds like sour grapes, it probally is, but we've just be
    dumped out of the cup and I had my Wembley trip all planned.
    
    Looking on the bright side, at least we can concentrate on making sure
    we keep the pressure on Man U, and hope that they start to slip up
    especially as they must have a horrendous fixture backlog, 
    and at least Europe seems a certainity.
    
    
    Some more good news is that Paul Warhurst is making his comeback in the
    reserves tonight.  He might yet find himself on the bench on Saturday.
    
    Sorry to all the Newcastle fans, but I hope Luton turn you over tonight
    so that we have a game Saturday week.
    
    
    Still suffering with a headache!
    Stephen
    
    
    	
202.165Blackburn...drinking too much McEwans????SIOG::A_KELLYWed Feb 09 1994 16:5212
    
    Andy,
    	Well there goes the alliance! Now it's Newcastle's turn and the Sky
    cameras will be there hoping for an upset. Man U supporters may be
    laughing at you now but if you can keep your nerve you can focus on the
    real issue....winning the championship. You could even do United a
    favour by forcing them into the UEFA OR THE Cup Winers Cup, cos there's
    no chance of them doing well in the EC next season. Keep gannin for the
    McEwans Alliance.
    
    
    Cheers.....Ned
202.166Blackburn bid for Pitcher (clarinet)FORTY2::FOWLERMOld football is rubbishWed Feb 09 1994 16:5516
	LONDON (UPI) -- Charlton midfielder Darren Pitcher moved to the top of
Blackburn Rovers' shopping list after producing a shock English FA Cup
knock-out blow at Ewood Park Tuesday night.
	Pitcher's battling performances for First Division Charlton against
David Batty in the goalless fourth round Valley tie and in Tuesday
night's 1-0 replay win impressed Blackburn boss Kenny Dalglish.
	Now Blackburn, currently second in the Premier League and desperate
to qualify for Europe, could move in with a bid for 1.5 million pounds
($2.25 million)-rated Pitcher.
	Pitcher, 24, will be out of contract at the end of the season and has
rejected an improved Charlton offer.
	``I'm not greedy but it wasn't acceptable to me,'' said Pitcher. 
``I'm happy to say at Charlton but I have a wife and family to look
after. I just want to look after myself.''
	Blackburn asked about Pitcher following his gripping Valley duel with
Batty.
202.167Didn't deserve it on the nightWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Feb 10 1994 13:1445
    Blackburn 0
    Charlton 1
    
    Wasn't in the office yesterday, but I'm certainly not in hiding.
    
    Charlton had a little bit of luck early on, Pitchers shot from
    outside the box took a cruel deflection from Andy Morrison on the
    penalty spot and sailed past the already committed Flowers. But
    although they never really looked like scoring again they certainly did a
    superb job in holding onto the lead.
    
    Maybe I shouldn't write notes just before a game but Blackburn lost
    this one largely because Batty was left on his own in midfield. Marker
    was totally invisible and, as I said, no substitute for Sherwood. A very 
    well organised Charlton side chased and harried Rovers out of their 
    stride, picked up all the loose ball and competed for everything.
    
    In the second half Rovers stepped up a gear but the finishing was very
    poor, Gallacher, Wilcox, Ripley and even the great one all had chances
    that should have been buried, but they weren't. Charlton hung on, and
    as Blackburn threw men forward and brought on Pearce and Atkins (Makel
    couldn't even make the bench ?), a second goal on the break might even
    have been on. 
    
    Charlton had done their homework, suppressed Le Saux and Batty, took
    advantage of a bit of luck and worked like heroes - obviously I'm
    dissappointed but really can't complain.
    
    A real bad note, Rovers had about 15 corners and never really troubled 
    Salmon with any of them, missing Hendry or what ?
    
    The good news, as Stephen said, is that Warhurst is coming back in the
    reserves now.
    
    Blackburns strength is clearly not just Shearer, this performance 
    certainly lacked the control that Sherwood, Newell, Hendry and May 
    could have provided had they been fit.
    
    Still Newcastle lost as well so the alliance game will still be on on
    the 19th, sorry Ned but with MANU on cup duty this would be a great day
    for us to pick up 3 points.
    
    Cheers,               
    
    Andy 
202.168three more in the bagWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Feb 14 1994 16:0828
    Tottenham 0
    Blackburn 2
    
    Did anybody go to this game ?.
    
    From the radio, MOTD and this mornings paper it seemed fairly even 
    until Blackburn scored, a few chances at both ends, Blackburn winning 
    most of the loose ball and Nicky Marker bloody invisible again (except 
    in the paper).
    
    60 minutes in Shearer pops up at the back post and finishes Ripleys 
    best cross of the season with a header back across the keeper and 
    Gallacher slots one infrom an Atkins through ball 10 minutes later 
    to kill the game off.  
    
    In the absence of Batty and Sherwood maybe we shouldn't sell Super 
    Atko after all but Marker was bloody invisible again. Why can't Lee
    Makel get a game ?
    
    So its 10 points behind MANU and 10 points ahead of Arsenal with a
    game in hand on both. 
    
    Things could be worse,
    
    Cheers
    
    Andy. 
                                
202.169This SundayUPROAR::LEMPLive slow, die youngTue Feb 15 1994 13:046
    Looking at the fixtures in the paper on Sunday I noticed that the SWFC
    v Blackburn game has been re-arranged for this Sunday (20th Feb). Can
    anyone in here confirm this.
    
    Cheers, Paul.
    
202.170Wrong MonthWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Feb 15 1994 13:2810
    No.
    
    I think you'll find its been moved to Sunday 20th March for SKY
    coverage, it was originally 19th March.
    
    We have Newcastle this Saturday.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy 
202.171Tickets Please !WOTVAX::MACDONALDIStalybridge CelticTue Feb 15 1994 14:0011
    
    RE: this Saturday, Blackburn V Newcastle
    
    Probably a daft question, but are there any tickets left for this game?
    Reason I ask is a friend of mine(who has a season ticket for Newcastle)
    would like to go. 
    
    I apologise if this has been asked before!
    
    
    mac
202.172McAlpines are still workingWOTVAX::NORTHSTue Feb 15 1994 15:3423
    
    Re .171
    
    Tickets are very hard to come by at the moment due to the
    redevolopment work thats taking place at Ewood.  Newcastle would have
    been given 2500 tickets and I suppose these would be snapped up very
    quickly.
    
    Non-Season ticket holders could only apply by post and needed certain
    vouchers from previous BRFC games to qualify.
    
    I would suggest that you ring Ewood Park on Friday to see if there are
    any tickets left but I wouldn't want to raise your hopes to much.
    
    Next season should be alot better with 5000 tickets min being given to
    the visiting fans out of a stadium holding 30,000 (MUFC PLEASE TAKE
    NOTE).
    
    Sorry I can't be more helpful.
    
    Stephen   
    
          
202.173TYWOTVAX::MACDONALDIStalybridge CelticTue Feb 15 1994 16:039
     re :-1
    
    Stephen,
    
    
    Ta 
    
    
    mac
202.174I've got my ticket !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Feb 15 1994 16:3818
    Mac,
    
    If you want to try the number for Blackburn is 0254 55432. But don't 
    hold your breath, we have the most badly organised ticket 
    office in the country at the moment. 
    
    If your mate is really keen and has some good binoculars there is a
    small crowd gathering on the hill (off Livsey Branch Road) since the main
    stand was demolished. Its about 800 yds away and at least 200 yds high
    so theres a clear view over the houses on Bolton Rd. (the occupants of 
    which appear to be renting out bedroom window space on match days). 
    
    But if your mate just wants to see some goals why not take him to 
    Stalybridge, I see everybody is hitting the net down there these days ;-)
    
    Cheers,                          
    
    Andy 
202.175The red face is from playing squash, honestUPROAR::LEMPLive slow, die youngTue Feb 15 1994 17:2010
    re .170
    
    >I think you'll find its been moved to Sunday 20th March for SKY
    >coverage, it was originally 19th March.
    
    Ahem,
    
    Ah yes, 20.3 means 20th March doesn't it. Glad it's on SKY though.
    
    Paul.
202.176Lets just seeMUFC::TONYTue Feb 15 1994 17:2510
 Stephen 

	Can you please tell me what has been your average attendances at Ewood
        Park in the last 10 years ?

	The reason being, I suspect this will give us an indication as to why
	next season visiting supporters will get 5,000 tickets out of 30,000
	capacity.

Tony
202.177Beer & Football, almost heaven !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Feb 17 1994 12:5335
    
    Preamble to the McEwans Alliance Game: 
    
    Some good news, the top tier of the Blackburn End has finally got the
    approval to be used on Saturday for the first time. This makes another 
    3000 seats available and boosts the capacity up to a mind-blowing 
    21,000 ;-).
    
    The bad news for Mac is that priority for these new tickets will go to
    holders of ticket stubs from previous home games - I think this is a
    deterrant to the geordie hoardes. Could certainly be some touting action 
    on Saturday if you want to give it a try.
    
    Also McEwans have just thrown another 500,000 into the pot to extend their
    sponsorship for the next two seasons. Where were they when we needed
    the money ? 
    
    McEwans will be much in evidence on Saturday, on all the shirts, on the 
    perimeter advertising, on the P.A., on Radio Rovers ... they must be
    really impressed that the executive lounge and restaurant has just been
    demolished and that the Bars around the ground serve BASS.
    
    Good luck to Neds boys, no predictions but I wouldn't be surprised if
    it was similar to the Leeds match.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    p.s. We only recently got our license to serve Beer around the ground
    again. Its good to see such things coming back, along with the youngsters,  
    after the dark days of rampant hooliganism and Mrs Thatcher attempts to
    abolish the game as a spectator sport ! I hope this kind of move will
    not be abused. 
                  
202.178Al wins the Golden BootESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Thu Feb 17 1994 13:125
202.179FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingThu Feb 17 1994 15:2910
He'll need to with Cole and Beardsley getting 4 at the other end. 

Should be a great game - end-to-end and pretty breathless. Not as 
'aristocratic' as those from slightly further south of course, but much more
fun to watch. 

A quick 'hear hear' to Andy's comments on bringing the game back to the 
spectator - let's see similar at other grounds.

grahame
202.180No AndyESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Thu Feb 17 1994 16:134
      <<< Note 202.179 by FORTY2::ASH "Mail Interchange Group, Reading" >>>
He'll need to with Cole and Beardsley getting 4 at the other end. 

Cole is not expected to play due to a shoulder injury.
202.181Blackburn ??? Newcastle ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Feb 17 1994 17:0720
    Mr Blong,
    
    I assumed the 3 goals for Shearer was an attempt to start off loading
    some of that Old Trafford over-confidence on us as that gap starts to
    look smaller and smaller ;-)
    
    I said no predictions and I'm sticking to it, although I might just
    predict Jason Wilcox for Man of the Match. 
    
    I'll be interested to see what Newcastle do without Cole.  I
    would have thought that pushing Fox or one of the other midfielders up
    front would still leave Beardsley leading the line and somehow I can't see
    that working too well. What did they do against Wimbledon ?
    
    Stephen, do you have any team news from the Rovers regarding injuries,
    (if Sherwood isn't fit I think this game would be ideal for Makel) ?
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.182Anyone any Newcastle team news?FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingThu Feb 17 1994 19:066
And I'll be interested to see what Newcastle do without Cole! Not sure if 
anyone played permanently up front on Saturday, as we just added Fox to the 
usual 4 midfielders. Mathie came on as sub (too) late on - perhaps he'll 
start? Or Malcom Allen, if Keegan's on speaking terms with him yet.

g
202.183Some historyWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Feb 17 1994 20:4526
    
    One or two memories from the Newcastle line up:
    
    I remember Beardsley causing chaos when he was last here with Everton
    probably the best individual performance by an opposition player last 
    season. 
    
    I remember Scott Sellars looking totally unstoppable on his day in the
    old blue and white, (and looking totally under-age in the bar at the
    Woodlands afterwards) I hope gets a good reception from the Ewood crowd.
    
    I even remember Derek Fazackerley trying to hold the Rovers defence
    together in the dark days of relegation, he was a great servant to the
    club. Looking at Newcastles defence maybe he should get his boots on 
    again !
    
    Last years Cup game was a real cliff hanger with Newcastle desperate to
    hold out for a draw but not quite making it, and this year at St. James 
    was a close one with Shearer coming on as sub to get the equaliser. 
    
    I think it will be much more open this time.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
202.184Cracking FinishESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Thu Feb 17 1994 20:585
202.185Still a long way to go !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Feb 18 1994 12:0722
    
    No, No, please stop bringing that "I expect..to win" attitude around
    here :-)
    
    If we beat Newcastle it will be a new club record (10 straight wins in
    the league).
    
    Even IF we win the next two theres still 6 games before the Easter Show
    down and you will probably have a couple of games in hand on us by
    then.
    
    However if we go into the Easter game within a couple of points then
    psycologically we will be rolling and your guys will be really under
    pressure. Then we'll see how much discipline and bottle your guys really 
    have, win that one and you deserve the title.  
    
    A good fight to the end is what everyone wants to see, probably even
    you !
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.186I've seen the lightWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Feb 18 1994 18:1110
202.187Thats not funny :-)WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Feb 21 1994 13:232
    
    I don't know which ******* put that in there but I can guess.
202.188And this is me !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Feb 21 1994 13:2578
    
    	Blackburn 1
	Newcastle 0

If you read the papers you might get the impression this was a dull game, but 
this was never going to be one for the disciples of Route 1.

The short story:

Blackburn worked hard, played well and got the three points with a still 
depleted team. Newcastle worked hard, played well but struggled to breakdown 
the Rovers defence.

The longer version:

The first hour was a game of speed chess in midfield, with Atkins and Batty 
often battling against superior numbers. There was was some superb quick 
passing from both sides and every loose ball was competed for with passion.

Unfortunately, the two most creative wingers struggled, Wilcox picked up an 
early knock and was eventually substituted by Wright. Fox had the misfortune
to come up against the best left back in England who was determined to make 
a point to the watching Terry Venables. Newcastle persisted in giving Fox the
ball whenever they could but despite his twists and turns he just could not 
get past Le Saux who stopped him every time and invariably took the ball off 
him. When Beardsley switched to playing higher longer balls into the corner 
flag Le Saux proved he could match Fox for speed as well as craft. Le Saux was
MOTM and put on the best defensive full back display I have ever seen.

Both defenses were resolute, Lee Clark, often lacking support as Beardsley was 
back working to dig the ball out of midfield, could make no impression on Moran 
and May. Venison and the big guy in the middle (sorry!) clamped down hard, and
surprisingly well on Shearer and Gallagher. Big Al missed a sitter in the 
first half but was probably in shock from finding himself in the box without
Venison clinging to his backside.

But as the full backs and the wide men cancelled each other out and the 
midfield wore each other out neither forwards really got the service 
they are used to and Newcastle without Cole totally lacked penetration 
or even someone to hold the ball up front.

20 minutes to go and Blackburns stronger forwards were starting to get on top 
and force a few corners. Eventually Batty nods a clearance back in from the 
edge of the box and David May is there to crash home the volley.

Now theres no stopping them and for the last quarter of an hour Blackburn 
went all out for the second but it was not to be.

Good news for our Geordie noters, Hooper is history, the man with a name 
like a bad hand at Scrabble performed heroics. A possible Save of the Season 
to keep a header from Moran out of the top corner and later diving at the 
feet of Shearer to block a second certain goal. But what he can't handle 
is the back passes, KK will have him practising punting this week after he 
nearly threw it all away a couple of times.
 
A great game for football enthusiasts. 

Shearer didn't score, but as he's never gone two successive league games 
this season without scoring I wish I could be at Norwich on Tuesday, the 
Blackburn bandwaggon is rolling south to take on the Canaries and then Arsenal.

Norwich will not be easy, they are still the best away team I've seen at 
Blackburn this season, and a draw at Arsenal is not unlikely. 

A 15 point deficit is now reduced to 7 with 14 games to go ! The team that
had to win their games in hand did ! 

There is also conclusive evidence that the Blackburn crowd are starting to
wake up to what the club can achieve:

" Who the **** are Man United ? " was sung more often (and with the support
of the travelling members of the Alliance) than "No, nay, never" our 
traditional ode to our sad neighbours Burnley.

Cheers,

Andy
    
202.189FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingMon Feb 21 1994 15:437
And a good result for the Premier League. I wasn't too sad to lose this one - 
even though that's 2 seasons running you've done us with a late goal!

All the best for the Championship, but Europe at least must be a near certainty 
now.

grahame
202.190The game's not over 'til United score :-)WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Feb 21 1994 15:5913
    Grahame,
    
    granted last seasons cup goal was 'timed to precision' but this one was
    nearer the 'only a matter of time' category. 
    
    Had your goalkeeper been Hooper it would have been 3-0 !
    
    Don't give up yet, Newcastle are good enough to make third if the
    target man gets fit quick.
    
    Cheers,
                              
    Andy 
202.191Only 7 Points nowWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Feb 21 1994 16:0838
    
    I am now actually starting to believe that we have a real chance in
    catching Utd, especially after the result on Saturday.
    
    When you consider that the team played and won still without a number
    of influencial players; Newell, Warhurst, Hendry (seemed OK up
    Peppermint Place on Saturday Night??), it makes you appreciate the
    strength of the squad that Kenny has put together.
    
    Although the game wasn't a classic by any means the workload that all
    the players put in deserved the 3 points alone.
    
    The next 2 games are now very important to keep the pressure on Utd and
    to move upto striking distance of the No 1 spot.
    
    As Andy said, the people of Blackburn really rose to the occasion and
    the ground was again a sell out (just over 21,000) even though an
    additional 3000 seats only went on sale on Thursday.
    
    This has now resulted in Blackburn reducing the visitors allocation for
    the rest of the season from 2500 to 1500 in order to meet its own
    supportors needs.  This is a shame for the clubs that have still got
    to visit Ewood; Liverpool, Swindon, Aston Villa, QPR and Ipswich and
    just tough Sh*t to Manchester United.
    
    Kenny believes we can do (although he doesn't admit it), the players
    believe they can do it, the supporters are starting to believe we can
    do it, and even I believe we can do it.
    
    I don't think that the MOTD cameras will be moving out of London on
    Saturday; Rovers v Arsenal and West Ham v Manchester Utd.
    
    Come on you Hammers.
    
    Stephen
    Kennys Army 
    
                 
202.192SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAll hail super HickMon Feb 21 1994 16:196
    
    When is Warhurst due to be back??
    
    Tony
    
    
202.193news from the training groundWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Feb 21 1994 16:3422
    
    He's now had two reserve team games, injury is holding up, but he has
    got to get match fit. My guess he'll be on the subs bench in another 
    month, maybe Sheffield Wednesday! or Swindon. 
    
    Kenny won't rush anybody back, and doesn't need too while the results
    are going well. 
    
    At the moment it would be Atkins place in midfield he could fill but
    when Sherwood is back,(about 3 weeks) he would be a very good lad to
    have on the bench giving an option to replace Gallacher up front. 
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy 
    
    p.s. I heard Hendry was still a couple of weeks away and that Newell
    would be lucky to play again this season. If thats true I think the
    Blue and White Cheque Book will be on the team bus going to Norwich on
    Tuesday ! Chase can't resist a long list of zero's and Sutton is not 
    likely to pass up a chance to forge a partnership with Englands 
    centre forward is he ?.
202.194Sutton for EwoodWOTVAX::NORTHSTue Feb 22 1994 12:5018
    Andy,
    
    I also think that Kenny will be taking the cheque book with him today.
    
    I've heard that Newell is definatley out for the rest of the season and
    it could be more serious than that.
    
    The interest in the bank would have built up a bit now so a 3.5m bid for
    Sutton should do the trick, especailly as the poor guy is only being
    paid peanuts at the moment.
    
    Lets hope the lads can do it tonight - 90 min commentary on Radio Lancs
    and radio 5.
    
    Stephen
    
    
      
202.195MOVIES::PLAYFORDKevin @ EDO-13 [DTN:824-3394]Tue Feb 22 1994 15:0911
202.196Money isn't everything !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Feb 22 1994 15:4228
202.197Stuck in ReadingJONPC1::ButtonJon Button @REOTue Feb 22 1994 16:276
Andy,

Unfortunately I am not going to the match tonight - it should be a good 
game.  I'm sure that it will be on Radio 5.  

Jon
202.198ScoreKIRKTN::SWALLACEWed Feb 23 1994 04:276
    
    
    	Does anybody know the score of the match against Norwich?
    
    				Stevie,
    
202.199KURMA::SNEILFOLLOW WE WILLWed Feb 23 1994 05:241
    NO.
202.2002-2ESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Wed Feb 23 1994 11:200
202.201WARNUT::WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringWed Feb 23 1994 12:303
    Well, well, well. Kenny's Klowns first real test & they blow it against
    10 men of Norwich. Blackburn now have to win 3 more games than United
    in Blackburns last 13 games - a tall order.
202.202Could be worse, could be a Burnley fan!WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Feb 23 1994 13:4435
	re: .201 (the contribution from the armchair reds)
	
	Now I would have thought Boxing Day was our 'first real test' but
	maybe you are right, 10 men from Norwich did put up more of a 
    	fight than MANU.

	re: the game

	From the radio it appeared to be a real exciting game with plenty 
	of chances at either end and a referee who was totally out of 
	control. (The poor soul was probably a little confused by not 
	having people in red shirts telling him what to do all the time!)

	So, the victory run comes to an end, but the unbeaten run continues, 
        and 32 points from the last 36 hardly constitutes a crisis. Given 
	that points were going to be dropped at some time then I'd rather they
	went to Norwich than to a lot of others. I am more than impressed with
	the way an enourmous lead has been clawed back to something less 
	daunting. The point is we have now closed the gap to a level where 
	MANU know they cannot relax.  
	
	Alex Ferguson said he thought 84 points would win the Premier League 
	this season, personally I think thats not quite enough. We shall see.

	Congratulations to Norwich, this should give them the confidence 
	to keep playing good football and maybe upset a few other teams.

	Cheers,

Andy

p.s.	Another good result for Sheffield United, I do hope they will 
	finally get the relegation they have deserved for so long ;-)  
                 
202.203You'd better come and preach out here...PAVONE::TURNERFri Feb 25 1994 15:1123
    re: 51.1540
    
    >Apologies to the geordies, this was not really relevant to your note,
    
    Yeh, I thought we'd better spare the Geordies this!
    
    Well, you just carry on informing us that Blackburn are God's gift to
    football and we'll keep lapping it up ;-) 
    
    Actually, I don't want to cause you sleepless nights or anything, but
    out here in Italy they have this weird conception that Man Utd. and
    Norwich are the best footballing sides in Britain (admittedly, they
    haven't seen much of Newcastle). Of course, I keep telling them that
    Blackburn are the Real Madrid of English football, but on the basis of the
    Cup games alone, you'd be forgiven for confusing Blackburn with the "other"
    Rovers (Hull Kingston)!
    
    >What's the Italian for armchair?
    
    "Poltrona". The Italian for "blue-and-white tinted spectacles" just
    doesn't render the idea at all, so I won't hazard a translation ;-)
    
    Dom
202.204Assuming the missionary positionWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Feb 25 1994 18:1915
    Dom,
    
    Next season I hope to fulfil one of my ambitions, that is to see the
    famous blue and whites appear in Europe, it would be particularly
    special if it was one of those big italian stadiums. Maybe we could
    get you out of your armchair for the experience ?
    
    The pope, who also reads my notes, has asked that I stop by his place
    and explain to him how you can treble your number of followers in just 
    two years :-). 
             
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
202.205I'm sure the Pope's all ears...PAVONE::TURNERFri Feb 25 1994 18:4919
    >Next season I hope to fulfil one of my ambitions, that is to see the
    >famous blue and whites appear in Europe, it would be particularly
    >special if it was one of those big italian stadiums. Maybe we could
    >get you out of your armchair for the experience ?
    
    Well, Andy, I sincerely hope Checkbook Rovers *do* make it out here to
    Milan; you'll be assured of my support. It's unlikely you'll be coming
    to Milan though, because AC Milan will almost certainly be disputing
    the Champions  Cup, and Inter are struggling to qualify for Europe ;-)
    
    I do get out of my armchair on occasions (the bovril and meat pies at 
    Italian football stadiums are something else!), but in the present
    economic climate, my finances just don't stretch to a season ticket at
    Old Trafford. British Airways aren't very helpful in this respect
    either ;-)
    
    Dom   
    
                                                                          
202.206Does this bus stop at the Vatican ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Feb 25 1994 19:1018
    Dom,
    
    I consider your current location as a justifiable excuse for not going
    to O.T. but I'm surprised you don't have a sky dish, the Reds are on
    every week !
    
    However you are not alone, some armchair reds consider the trip from 
    Cheshire to O.T. has been just too difficult since the motorways 
    were built. :-)
    
    So who's favourites for UEFA then ? (apart from Blackburn)
    
    I'd be more than happy with a trip to France, Italy or Spain, but 
    Eastern Europe (or Wales) would be a bit of a let-down.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.207I've always considered myself a neutral, anyway...PAVONE::TURNERFri Feb 25 1994 19:5515
    
    >So who's favourites for UEFA then ? (apart from Blackburn)
    
    Andy,
    
    Perm any four (I think) from Lazio (Rome), Sampdoria (Genoa), Parma,
    Juventus (Turin), Inter (Milan), Torino (Turin) and perhaps Cagliari,
    Foggia and Roma. That's probably about 80% accurate.
    
    Sky dish? Given that I've got a two-year old daughter who's absolutely 
    besotted with the cartoons on TV, I'm actually thinking of selling my
    armchair ;-)
    
    Dom
    
202.208Just what is wrong with being an armchair fan?WARNUT::WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringFri Feb 25 1994 20:2218
    Andy,
    
    You are becoming very boring with this puerile jibes about armchair
    fans. You've already put your foot in it by having a go at Brian [Long].
    If you are refering to me then I freely admit to be an enthusiastic
    armchair fan. My days of standing on the terraces have long gone, but
    in my time I've probably been to over 400 matches (even reserves and
    youth teams). And whilst not being a great traveller, I have been to 
    Aston Villa     Barnsley        Blackpool       Bolton
    Burnley         Chelsea         Everton         Huddersfield
    Ipswich         Leeds           Leicester       Liverpool
    Manchester City Preston         Rotherham       Sheffield United
    Sheff Wednesday Tottenham       Wembley         West Ham
    Wolves and others I can't remember just now.
    
    Simon. 
    

202.209Exit Blackburn Stage Left....GVA05::BURKHALTERSun Feb 27 1994 10:446
    Woops, looks like you blinked. Still nice try and thanks for giving
    United a bit of a run for their money.....
    
    ....there's always next year.
    
    -Dom :-)
202.210Never give up, and keep smiling :-)WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Feb 28 1994 15:5638
    
    Thanks for that Dom, good to see you are still confident and that there
    is still a sense of humour out there ;-)
    
    Well, things didn't go too well this weekend, but it could have been 
    worse :-)
    
    Arsenal 1
    Blackburn 0
    
    After Boxing day this was always the hardest of the remaining fixtures 
    and by all accounts an unsettled team didn't deserve to get anything from 
    this game.
    
    Most worrying of all is Gallacher going straight to the top of our
    injury pile until next season. To end up with a triple fracture of 
    the leg after falling over without assistance seems to indicate there 
    is not a lot of luck about. Still, somebody was keeping our hopes 
    alive down at West Ham so it's not over yet.
    
    Sherwood must be close to have been named in the squad so at least 
    we can get Marker out of midfield soon, Newell and Hendry have been 
    training at Lilleshall last week so they should be back in contention 
    before Easter. 
    
    I had hoped we'd manage to get over this tough period of injury and 
    difficult fixtures with the current squad and without dropping too 
    many points. However unless Warhurst is very close to fitness the 
    chequebook might have to make an appearance. As Jack Walker last week 
    stated publicly we are not buying Gazza, there is probably something 
    in the air.  
    
    Liverpool at Ewood on saturday, I'll be there hoping for a repeat of
    last seasons splendid performance. 
    
	Cheers,
    
    Andy       
202.211UPROAR::LEMPLive slow, die youngMon Feb 28 1994 16:069
    Andy,
    
    Have Shearer and Warhurst played together up-front? I've got this
    horrible feeling about Warhurst exacting revenge against the Owls when
    we meet later this month. How close to fitness is he?
    
    Paul. 
    
    
202.212Owl be back soon WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Feb 28 1994 16:5140
    Paul,
                                                           
    Warhurst was actually bought for the midfield but I think that he might
    just be able to do a bit up front if we asked him nicely ;-)!
    
    He only had a run of 5 games before he got injured and Shearer only
    appeared as sub for the first 2, (but scored 4 goals in the other 3).
    
    What impressed most was Warhursts strength, running with the ball and
    shooting from outside the box,(like Shearer did before he realised we
    had two wingers to do the hard work for him!)
    
    It was Warhursts injury that brought Batty to Ewood so IMO we still haven't
    seen our best side yet.
    
    Warhurst has now had three or four games with the Reserves and the
    'A's. The reserves usually play midweek, and when a player is coming
    back from injury Kenny won't let them play the Wednesday before, so if 
    Warhurst is not picked on Wednesday its a good omen.
    
    The bad news for Owls is that last season you beat us primarily because
    (Warhurst apart) Waddle was tremendous and destroyed our full back 
    little Alan Wright, this season Le Saux has been unbeatable at left
    back.  
    
    Regarding your midweek game:
    
    I hope you won't take this the wrong way but I would prefer MANU to
    have a CC Cup Final AND a game against Liverpool in the six days before
    they come to Ewood. So unless your guys are going to get a few Reds
    injured and suspended please let them beat you in extra time ! :-) 
    
    :-)
    
    Thats an extra smiley for anyone who thinks I'm hoping to see people 
    injured, because I don't, O.K. ? And I don't want to upset anybody.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.213IRNBRU::HOWARDMon Feb 28 1994 18:402
    LeSaux has been drafted into the England Squad, at the expense of
    Dixon, I think....
202.214But is'nt he French?NSIC00::ROLLITTThe despicable dry doings of dogsTue Mar 01 1994 13:351
    
202.215Bonjour !WOTVAX::MACDONALDIStalybridge CelticTue Mar 01 1994 14:408
    re : -1
    
    Le Saux is from Jersey, near enough I presume
    
    Le Tissier is from Guernsey as a point of interest
    
    
    mac
202.216ENGLAND BOYSWOTVAX::NORTHSTue Mar 01 1994 15:3427
    It was pleasing to see that 4 of the current Rovers team have been
    selected by EL TEL for the new look England.
    
    		Flowers, Le Saux, Batty, Shearer.
    
    It will be interesting how many of these are actually in the team.
    
    		Shearer		-	Certainity
    		Flowers		-	Odds On
    		Le Saux		-	Should be but we will see
    		Batty		-	Lack of goals may go against him.
    					May lose out to Ince and Gazza.
    
    
    Regarding the rest of the squad.  Beardsley and Shearer up front should
    be good supported by Gazza.  
    
    
    Lets hope that eventually the football association come to their senses
    and start playing some England games away from Wembley so that all the
    country has the chance to see the national team.  With all the
    redevelopment there will be some great stadiums available.  (Old
    Trafford, Hillsborough, Villa Park, even Ewood when it's finished.)
    
    
    Stephen
    Kennys Army
202.217WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Mar 01 1994 16:5313
    Stephen,
    
    did you also see that Trevor Brooking was saying he would have David
    May in his England squad ! Maybe in a couple of years time May,
    Sherwood and Wilcox might have a chance, they have all improved
    dramatically since they were in the promotion side.
    
    The worrying thing for me is that we cannot afford any more injuries,
    I wouldn't be surprised if the MANU trio drop out !
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy 
202.218Bit late this, only just stopped laughing!WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Mar 08 1994 16:2439
    Blackburn 2
    Liverpool 0
    
    Basically a poor game where the crowd had to settle for a tremendous
    result rather than the entertainment we usually pay for. With a ground 
    largely open to the elements neither side really got into the swing of 
    things, the swirling winds turning anything more than a five yard pass
    into a loose ball.
    
    Playing 4-5-1 Rovers were never going to be in charge and it was a
    breakaway by Ripley that resulted in a low cross for Wilcox to slot in
    Shearer style. However as Liverpool started to get on top things looked 
    dodgy with two good Liverpool chances going wide and Flowers making one
    superb save.   
    
    Half time and encouraging news from O.T. then more good news. Hendry 
    comes on for an injured Moran and looks immediately back to his best. 
    The side reshuffles, Marker back to centre half (his only real
    position), May to right back, Berg to right midfield and 
    Ripley down the middle with big Al. Now we're back to our familiar
    4-4-2/4-2-4 and things are looking better. Suddenly its 2-0, Wilcox and
    Shearer combining to put Sherwood through down the middle. End of Story.
    
    No game for a couple of weeks now and it couldn't be better timed, 
    hopefully its a chance for Warhurst or Newell to get get fully fit,
    because with Hendry and Sherwood back now the team already looks a 
    lot better than the one that dropped points last week.
    
    A few word about the once mighty Liverpool - Whelan and Barnes should 
    be pensioned off, RW was running around and getting there just too late, 
    JB wasn't even running around. Dicks looks like a better player than I had 
    previously thought and Jones is sound, the rest look like a very
    ordinary side.
    
    The race goes on !
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.219...he who laughs last.....:-)GVA05::BURKHALTERWed Mar 09 1994 16:111
    
202.220...saw Schmeical last night :-)WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Mar 10 1994 20:371
    
202.221Burnley 5 Blackburn 0RDGENG::YERKESSbring me sunshine in your smileMon Mar 14 1994 19:1911

Read in the newspaper this morning that Burnley beat Blackburn 5-0!.


This was the Lancashire youth cup semi-final, Burnley now meet Man Utd in 
the final. What I found remarkable was not the scoreline but the attendance,
4518.


Phil.
202.222Just one of lifes freaks I suppose !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Mar 14 1994 19:4720
    Yes its true. I'm not sure how this happened but I can only assume
    Blackburn didn't actually turn up.
    
    However Burnley are renowned for their tremendous support. Its a long time
    since they had even a mediocre 1st team but they still have a regular
    support of over 10,000 and take 3,000-5,000 wherever they go.
    
    But be warned, this is just a tragic social comment on life in the most
    unfortunate of East Lancashire settlements. With little else to do,
    in-breeding is rife and therefore the I.Q. level of your average
    Burnley supporter can be derived by adding the hat size to the shoe 
    size and dividing by three :-). Do not make the mistake of assuming
    there is something worth watching at Turf Moor, this is merely a 
    weekly family get together.
    
    I'm happy for them and wish them well against MANU.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.223SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Mar 14 1994 20:452
    Calling Guy Warburton. Harsh words for the Burnley born lad to digest.
    
202.224err....maybe a few to many.PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCTue Mar 15 1994 11:218
    
    RE.222
    
    >> and take 3,000-5,000 wherever they go.
    
    Whats this, another from the Gary Waite school of exageration.
    
    Dave...
202.225SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Tue Mar 15 1994 12:007
    Re 224
    
    I agree that 3,000-5,000 does seem to much for a crappy team like
    Burnley but i've never exagerated in my life, Dave.
    
    
    /GAry
202.226TRUCKS::SANTnetwork partner exitedTue Mar 15 1994 13:2929
202.227PEKING::WARBURTONGIs it herbal deficiency Doc??!Tue Mar 15 1994 13:4710
     
      I find it incredible that a Blackburn fan has the audacity to
    criticize a great town and a great football club like Burnley .For 
    those who haven't been there Blackburn is well known as the carbunkle 
    of Lancashire .Its inhabitants are renowned for their ugliness ,and
    their stupidity .
      When the Beatles sung about "Ten thousand holes in Blackburn
    ,Lancashire " they meant the empty skulls of that towns people .
    
    Warburtong
202.228No nay never ....WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Mar 15 1994 14:0027
    
    	Nice one Andy, I'll bet you play the banjo real nice ;-)
    
    	I'm always amazed at the passion with which all those who left
    	Burnley will defend them to the last. A mate of mine actually came
    	back from Hong Kong just to see what he thought might be their last
    	game in the league when Burnley were propping up the old Div 4. He
        was totally confused when they stayed up and he realised he'd
        wasted his money. 
    
    	Sorry if you were insulted but old habits die hard and words like
    	Burnley and Manchester United tend to trigger my wind-up muscle.
    	The old Blackburn-Burnley rivalry has really been very quiet recently
        because there is just too big a gap now. Personally I'd like to see 
    	the clarets doing well because I think its good for the area and I
    	always enjoyed the banter.
    
    	I get my Burnley info from a season ticket holder (probably one of
        your cousins) who is related to an ex Burnley Director (but then
        aren't you all ?) Obviously my only appearances at Turf Moor have 
    	been as a Blackburn supporter.  
        
    	Cheers,
    
    	Andy    
    
    	p.s. I'm surprised you know who your real dad is !
202.229strumm strumm!!TRUCKS::SANTnetwork partner exitedTue Mar 15 1994 15:184
    
    	fairy nuff Andy. I wasn't toooo offended ;-)
    
    	Andy.
202.230SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Tue Mar 15 1994 16:237
    Re 227
    
    Brilliant Warburtong.  You've described people from Blackburn,
    Wolverhampton and Aston Villa fans in one note.  Keep it up...
    
    
    /GAry
202.231I Should Have Known BetterSTKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeTue Mar 15 1994 22:256
    
>      When the Beatles sung about "Ten thousand holes in Blackburn
>    ,Lancashire " they meant the empty skulls of that towns people .
    
    ...and it's pretty obvious what they meant when they were singing about
    "Norwegian Wood" :-)
202.232The boys are back WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Mar 16 1994 15:0818
    
    Its actually four thousand holes, coincidentally the title of the
    Blackburn Fanzine.
    
    Yesterdays banter with the scumleys actually diverted me from what I
    originally wanted to say -
    
    Newell and Warhurst both played in the reserves on Monday night, far
    enough away for them to be considered for the first team at Sheffield
    on Wednesday.
    
    I suspect you may see Newell in the team and Warhurst, who is still
    looking a bit lethargic on the bench for a game he really wants to be
    part of,
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy 
202.233full house as alwaysWOTVAX::NORTHSWed Mar 16 1994 16:3614
    Andy,
    
    Lets hope that Sheff Wed can do us a favour tonight and try to get at
    least something out of the game at Old Trafford.
    
    
    Also,  all the tickets have now been sold for the showdown on Easter
    Saturday (voucher holders were apparently queueing upto 6 hours
    yesterday) in order to secure their ticket.   
    
    
    regards
    Stephen
    
202.234fixtures NEWOA::FIDO_TConation is the keyMon Mar 21 1994 19:481
    Can someone please post Blackburn's remaining fixtures ?
202.235Remaining fixturesWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Mar 23 1994 16:0020
    
    Here we go with the fixtures, its from earlier in the season so the 
    telly boys may have switched some dates but I guess its the quality of
    the opposition you are interested in !
    
    26-3  SWINDON     HOME
    29-3  WIMBLEDON   AWAY
    02-4  MAN UTD     HOME
    04-4  EVERTON     AWAY
    09-4? ASTON VILLA HOME
    16-4  SOUTHAMPTON AWAY
    23-4  Q.P.R.      HOME
    30-4  COVENTRY    AWAY
    07-5  IPSWICH     HOME
    
    Its going to be fun isn't it !. 
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.236I'm still smiling !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Mar 23 1994 16:2442
    Now I'm back some thoughts from Sunday:
    
    Well the Sheffield Wednesday tried their best but anything other than 3
    points would have been an outrage.
    
    Great to see Mike Newell back leading the line, I'm sure Shearer will 
    start scoring again now that he doesn't have to be the battering ram as
    well as the finisher. 
    
    Batty got Man of the Match, probably fair, but for me Ripley had his
    best game of the season. Also good to see Wilcox playing with so much
    confidence, he even had the nerve to give big Al a bollocking for
    trying to head in a cross that he was better positioned for.
    
    Blackburn are starting to look a very professional outfit and I'm sure
    Kenny has had another word about discipline. When Shearers goal was 
    disgracefully given offside he was gutted, but he gets up and carries
    on, the same for a couple of penalty appeals. This is a marked contrast 
    with other teams who are specialising in abusing officials these days. 
    
    For a game we dominated so much I couldn't believe the number of
    chances that went begging but its better than not making chances. O.K. 
    so it was another last minute goal again but thats a tribute to how hard 
    they are working. Those late goals have been worth 2 more points few
    times this season ! 
    
    Great result last night, MANU stumble again and Arsenals charge from
    behind stemmed for a little while.
    
    If this goes on I'll start to think the Championship is really
    possible, the boys are getting fit and playing with confidence because
    they know they are heroes if they get a UEFA cup place this year. 
    
    If we soon get into a position where mathematically we can get more
    points than MANU then there might just be some pressure but what a
    problem that would be ;-)
    
    Can we beat Swindon on Saturday or can lightening really strike twice ?
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.237Extra GameESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Thu Mar 24 1994 13:2216
202.238Another 24 points I reckon !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Mar 24 1994 15:2418
Thanks Brian, that makes it,

    26-3  SWINDON     HOME	
    29-3  WIMBLEDON   AWAY
    02-4  MAN UTD     HOME
    04-4  EVERTON     AWAY
    11-4  ASTON VILLA HOME
    16-4  SOUTHAMPTON AWAY
    24-4  Q.P.R.      HOME
    27-4  WEST HAM    AWAY	
    30-4  COVENTRY    AWAY
    07-5  IPSWICH     HOME

Would you like to put the corresponding Reds fixtures alongside ? 

Cheers,

Andy
202.239Here's hopingSHIPS::EDWARDS_DThu Mar 24 1994 17:5022
It's prediction time .........
    
    
Blackburn : 67 pts from 32 games	Man Utd : 73 pts from 33 games

		Pred	Pts				Pred	Pts

SWINDON     (H)	win	3	
WIMBLEDON   (A) draw	1		LIVERPOOL   (H)	draw	1
MAN UTD     (H) win	3		BLACKBURN   (A) lose	0
EVERTON     (A) lose	0		OLDHAM      (H) win	3
ASTON VILLA (H) draw	1		LEEDS       (A) lose    0
SOUTHAMPTON (A) draw	1		WIMBLEDON   (A) draw    1
Q.P.R.      (H) win	3		MAN CITY    (H) win	3
WEST HAM    (A)	win	3		IPSWICH	    (A) win     3
COVENTRY    (A) draw	1		SOUTHAMPTON (H) win	3
IPSWICH     (H) win	3		COVENTRY    (H) win	3

	Total Pts 67 + 19 = 86			Total Pts 73 + 17 = 90
    
    
    Looks like Utd to me ......
202.240MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Thu Mar 24 1994 17:563
    What Battyburn loose to Everton.. I don't think so.. :->
    
    Rick.
202.241KERNEL::MCKEAVENEYJShy Ann (Indian Virgin)Thu Mar 24 1994 18:2170
    	Whoever made these predictions should have had some money on them.
    	Not totally correct, but some good tries.
    
    
                 <<< Note 311.28 by PEKING::SHALLOMA "Aron Shallom" >>>
                                    -< MAN U RULE! >-
    
    
            My prediction for the coming season:
    
            ChampionS:      Man Utd
            Runner-Up:      Liverpool
            FA Cup:         Man Utd
            League Cup:     Man Utd
            Relegated:      Swindon,Oldham,Sheff U
    
            Best outside bet for a trophy: QPR
    
    
    
            Aron...
    
        =================================================================
    
                   <<< Note 311.39 by REDARO::WLC_IMPROV1 >>>
                                  -< hello >-
    
        Manchester United : Premier League Winners (again)
        Blackburn : Runners Up (coming second means nothing
        F.A.Cup : Manchester United
        Coca Cola Cup : Manchester United
    
    	===============================================================
    
                     <<< Note 311.29 by BUSSTP::DREES >>>
    
    
            My prediction for the coming season:
    
            ChampionS:      Man Utd
            Runner-Up:      Arsenal
            FA Cup:         Newcastle
            League Cup:     Man Utd
            Relegated:      Swindon,Oldham,Sheff U
    
            Best outside bet for a trophy: Sheff Wed
    
        Del.
    
    	==============================================================
    
    <<< Note 311.34 by FILTON::KEARNS_R "OH NO!I'VE GOT THOSE HAPPY FEET!" >>>
                  -< STOP READING NOTES AND DO SOME WORK!!!!1 >-
    
    
            Prem. Title-- Man Utd.
            FA cup    --  Man utd
            Relagation -- Swindon, Sheffield utd, Ipswich.
    
    	==============================================================
    
                    <<< Note 311.39 by REDARO::WLC_IMPROV1 >>>
                                   -< hello >-
    
        Manchester United : Premier League Winners (again)
        Blackburn : Runners Up (coming second means nothing
        F.A.Cup : Manchester United
        Coca Cola Cup : Manchester United
    
         
202.242Wasn't that Premature boldness ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Mar 24 1994 19:026
    
    re: .241
    
    Er, 10 games to go and both finals yet to be played, isn't there still 
    time for that set of predictions to be wonderfully inaccurate ?.
     
202.243KERNEL::MCKEAVENEYJShy Ann (Indian Virgin)Thu Mar 24 1994 19:158
202.244Imagine - being the one with crystal balls WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Mar 24 1994 19:5823
    Sean,
    
    I wasn't trying to start an argument or a rathole but while i'm here :-)  
    
    I see your point but if you look at it another way :
    
    IF MANU win little or nothing (which is still a possibility) then those
    predictions may look more stupid than the ones you have left out, 
    so why not wait until the end of the season when you can congratulate
    with confidence.
    
    Any new prediction at this stage is still valid but obviously an earlier
    one (if proved correct) will leave its noter with a greater degree of
    smugness.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    p.s. If you want to see some amusing predictions try looking at some 
    of the things being said at the beginning of this note just under 
    two years ago !  :-) 
             
202.245BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonFri Mar 25 1994 12:056
    
    You're quite right Andy, reply .9 is a classic!!
    
    JBG
    
    Ps. I predict that ManU and Blackburn will play in Europe next season! 8-)
202.246KERNEL::MCKEAVENEYJShy Ann (Indian Virgin)Fri Mar 25 1994 14:1522
202.247Things are getting better and betterWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Mar 25 1994 16:3718
    Team news for tomorrow seems to indicate Kenny will be sticking with
    the same team and subs that played last week, I hope so.
    
    Snippet from the reserves - Mark Atkins (super atko to his small army
    of admirers) is now playing up front and scoring ! In the unlikely event
    that Newell and Warhurst don't see the season out then this could be
    the secret weapon. Kenny knows we must stick with 4-4-2 and Atko's
    contribution to the promotion campaign was not insignificant.
    
    Snippet from the building site - The main roof beam of the Jack Walker
    Stand was lifted into place this week, all FIVE HUNDRED TONS of it !
    Uncle Jack doesn't do things by halves !
                                                                 
    C'mon you blues, 3 points tomorrow, 
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy  
202.2483 more points !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Mar 28 1994 15:4144
202.249TV BOYSWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Mar 28 1994 16:1442
    
    It's interesting to note how many of our remaining games are being
    televised live by sky.  Maybe Andy Gray knows something that we don't.
    
    
    	Wimbledon  (away)	Not televised
    	Man Utd	   (home)	5.00pm SKY
    	Everton    (away)	Not televised  (but I'm going anyway)
    	A Villa    (home)	Monday SKY
    	Southampton(away)	not televised  (I'm going to this one too)
    	QPR	   (home)	Sunday  SKY
    	Coventry   (Away)	Monday SKY
    	Ipswich    (home)	No decision yet - expected to be switched
    						  to Sunday
    
    
    Andy,
    
    Funny you should mention the tout prices for Saturday,  when my better
    half saw this in the local paper she made a dash for my season ticket,
    muttering something about holidays? - silly girl.
    
    Needless to say she lost and my season ticket is now safely locked up 
    ready for Saturday.
    
    
    Will we do it??  Who knows.    I think that it is now all down to who got
    the most bottle.  Utd will suffer through suspensions in the coming
    weeks but they have now lost the pressure of doing the treble.  Rovers
    on the other hand have a full squad; apart from Gallagher; and are 
    on top form although it's all a new experience to us.
    
    
    
    Can't wait for Saturday, should be a cracker.
    
    
    Regards
    Stephen
    Kenny's Barmy Army
    
    
202.250Who's in charge here ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Mar 28 1994 17:2713
    Steven,
    
    Re: T.V. fixtures
    
    Can there be any doubt about the last game of the season, surely 
    they won't get away with moving this to a Sunday ?. 
    
    Can you imagine if we only needed 1 point, c'mon even that nice 
    placid Mr Ferguson might complain !
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.251all games moved to Sunday ?NEWOA::FIDO_TConation is the keyMon Mar 28 1994 18:085
    Somewhere, I'm sure I heard that all the games on the final day of the 
    season would be pushed back to the Sunday, allowing the TV to show a
    live game without giving any team an unfair advantage.
    
    Terry
202.252Div 1 StrategyYUPPY::PATEMANSome Fantastic PlaceMon Mar 28 1994 18:243
    This is in the division of quality (Div 1) not the good ship Premier
    
    Paul
202.253championship SundayWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Mar 28 1994 19:5324
    Andy,
    
    Re last day fixtures.
    
    I think you will find that SKY will shortly announce that both the Rovers
    and Utd's last games will be switched to Sunday, to be played at the same
    time and both screened live on different SKY channels.
    
    Sky actually did this during the season before last when UTD and LEEDS
    were challanging it out, but unfortuantly they have to make all the
    arrangements weeks ahead, and things can change so that in the end it
    becomes totally un-neccessary.
    
    Yes I agree, it's silly, but SKY are putting millions into the game
    and will not miss out on the final games especailly if the championship
    depends on it.
    
    
    I guess you will be listening to your radio like me tomorrow hoping
    that we can turn over the DONS and set things up nicely for Saturday.
    
    regards
    Stephen
    
202.254KERNEL::WITHALLGWait Till They Getta Loada MeWed Mar 30 1994 11:4711
    
    
    
    What the Hell Happened to Blackburn ?.
    
    
    
    You wuz Wombled.
    
    
    Gazzer
202.255Its not the end of the world! :->MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Wed Mar 30 1994 12:278
    I think in technical terms... they got stuffed!! :-<
    
    Couldn't believe it... well that'll give Manu heart... but don't forget
    Leeds had a similar result against Man City I think but still went on 
    to win the championship.. so don't give up hope yet.. :->
    
    Rick.  
    
202.256KERNEL::WITHALLGWait Till They Getta Loada MeWed Mar 30 1994 12:3210
    
    
    Rick, 
    
    
        I prefer the Dons to Moneybags Rovers anyday, being a local lad
    etc.. But as they won't overhaul Utd I was pretty much hoping Rovers
    would.
    
    Gazzer (A Woking Gooner !)
202.257I'll support anyone that can beat Manu to the championship! :->MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Wed Mar 30 1994 12:356
    
    	Lets put it this way.. since Leeds are going to be pretty lucky to
    get into Europe... I definately don't want ManU to win anything so I'll
    support anyone who has a chance of over taking them! :->
    
    	Rick.
202.258Say nowt, win it - then talk your mouth off! (B. Clough)PAVONE::TURNERWed Mar 30 1994 12:3617
    
    Never has it been more true that pride comes before a fall!
    
    Oh well, maybe Swindon couldn't "out-football" Blackburn (see report a
    few notes back), but Wimbledon didn't have too much trouble. Was it
    Alan Shearer who said last Saturday that "nobody is looking past the
    Wimbledon game"? Nice thought, Ally boy!
    
    I smell checquebook coming out of inside pocket. Tell yer what, that
    tall guy with the skinhead haircut in Wimbledon's midifeld looks like
    he could do a good job for Blackburn. Jones, I tink the boy's name
    is...
    
    But don't let this little upset put a stop to your cockiness
    (nay, arrogance) of late. Not before this weekend, anyway.
    
    Dom 
202.259BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonWed Mar 30 1994 12:467
    
    Come on guys, stop the gloating and tell us the score ..... a match
    report wouldn't go amiss either.
    
    JBG
    
    Ps Andy, how's the headache? 8-)
202.260IRNBRU::HOWARDvamos a la playaWed Mar 30 1994 12:481
    dons 4 - 1 Blackburn
202.261Its the first leg of our treble (P.Ince)WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Mar 30 1994 12:5220
                    
    I love it when the MANU boys start accusing US of arrogance ! 
    
    ("its not over yet" clearly more arrogant than "gonna do the treble")
    
    But back to the point, a game I find difficult to explain but as I sat
    in my armchair listening to Blackburn and watching Arsenal things
    seemed to get very confused.
    
    Blackburn 1-0 at half time and bossing the game, then in the second
    half it all turned to rat-shit. Drubbed 4-1. 
    
    Total respect to Wimbledon, there are times when I wish we had half
    their spirit ! Lets hope Blackburn will learn something from this.
    
    Its not over yet !
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy 
202.262Laugh, I nearly admired Alex Ferguson's management.XSTACY::PHAYDENWed Mar 30 1994 13:3611
Well now that the back has been broken on the Blackburn 24 hour threath to
United's supremacy ... 

That's two seasons in a row where you've won bugger all.

All together now(SuperTramp),

Dreeeeeamer, you're nothing but a dreeeeeeamer , can you win the Premiership oh
no .

Peter.
202.263IRNBRU::HOWARDvamos a la playaWed Mar 30 1994 13:427
    re .262
    
    
    
    that note could come back to haunt you one of these days....
    
    Ray....
202.264The match report you requested, Mr. GoodeBERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Wed Mar 30 1994 13:5032
    Match Report:
    
    Blackburn had the better of the play in the first half and went to the
    dressing rooms with a well-deserved 1 goal lead.
    
    Wimbledon looked like a totally different team in the second half. The
    introduction of new boys Enrico Cantina and Marco Hugeso sparked a
    revival of mammoth proportions.  A minor tussle broke out on the
    sidelines when the Wombles' new coaching assistant Alexi Fergerson
    attempted to introduce 9 more subs early in the second half (almost
    exclusively new signings or on-loan players). Alexi seemed confused
    about the referees objections to the different kit colours on the new
    players and then got very annoyed when the ref wouldn't let the boys
    on, even after they changed into Wombles kit.
    
    Inspite of all the commotion, Enrico and Marco got it together and
    knocked four past the 'Pool keeper (who incidently had to change his
    shirt twice during the second half. He claimed that Enrico had trodden
    on his chest, but Enrico denied it strenuously saying "Moi ?").
    
    All in all a good result for the Wombles. Mysteriously, their manager,
    Joe Kinear, was found bound and gagged in the dressing rooms after the
    game. His new assistant, Alexi, disappeared immediately after the game
    along with Enrico and Marco and the other nine Subs. They were last
    seen leaving the vicinity on a large Red bus.
    
    Still, overlooking the strange goings-on, it was quite a good result
    for Man Utd, ooops, erm Wimbledon.
    
    Yours helpfully,
    
    Jerry.
202.265BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonWed Mar 30 1994 14:198
    
    Jerry,
    
    	you forgot to mention that Alex Ferguson has appealed to the FA,
    accusing Blackburn of cheating after he spotted them playing the
    "'Pool" keeper 8-)
    
    JBG
202.266RE: Jerry. Brilliant :-) RE:JBG what're ya on about ?XSTACY::PHAYDENWed Mar 30 1994 14:230
202.267TRUCKS::SANTnetwork partner exitedWed Mar 30 1994 14:2521
    
    	Picture this scenario...
    
    	United retain the league title.
    	Blackburn draw 4 of their last 8 games and are overtaken on the
    	last Saturday by the Toon, who win their last 37 games to finish
    	runners-up.
    	Hoddsea win the FA Cup, beating Red Card United 0-0 in the Final.
    
    	Result of all this speculation?
        
    
    
    	Chequebook Rovers don't even get to play in Europe next season,
    	and this so-called "Alliance" (ie. United-haters in this
    	notesfile) go to war.
    
    
    	Surely it couldn't happen...
    
    	Andy.
202.268They're both just side-shows !BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Wed Mar 30 1994 14:376
    Re: .265
    
    Sorry Jon,  I always have trouble trying to distinguish between small
    clubs like Blackburn and Blackpool ;-)
    
    Jerry.
202.269After a few days of peace and quite from the mancsUPROAR::LEMPLive slow, die youngWed Mar 30 1994 14:3814
    >But don't let this little upset put a stop to your cockiness
    >(nay, arrogance) of late. Not before this weekend, anyway.
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    This, of course, isn't arrogance. It's what is know as breeding.
    Knowing exactly your rightful position. Re-establishment of the status
    quo. The Aristocrats spurning the advances of New Money.
    
    It's good to see all the Mancs getting back on their highhorses after
    the events of the last couple of weeks. I'd say that the emotion that
    they're all feeling is one of releif, but I could be wrong (after all
    they have managed to aviod a collapse in the league once in 27 ish
    years haven't they.)
    
    Paul.
202.270BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonWed Mar 30 1994 14:4311
    
    Re .266
    
    Peter, 
    
    	if you carefully read .264 again, and then read Jerry's reply in
    .268, you'll get what I was on about in .265 8-)
    
    ......then again, don't bother
    
    JBG
202.271JBG: The penny drops ;-)XSTACY::PHAYDENWed Mar 30 1994 14:550
202.272PAVONE::TURNERWed Mar 30 1994 15:1828
    >>But don't let this little upset put a stop to your cockiness
    >>(nay, arrogance) of late. Not before this weekend, anyway.
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    >This, of course, isn't arrogance. It's what is know as breeding.
    >Knowing exactly your rightful position. Re-establishment of the status
    >quo. The Aristocrats spurning the advances of New Money.
    
    Firstly, I don't consider myself a "manc" (I'm a paying member of the
    Schmeichel-loathing club, btw). I just think that from a footballing
    point-of-view, they're light years more entertaining than Blackburn,
    that's all. Then again, the smash-bang-pow Blackburn match reports,
    featuring everyone's favorite comic-strip characters (Super Atko, Big
    Al [a.k.a. God], etc.) might have you thinking otherwise.
    
    I don't think Blackburn will approach the big match in a cocky frame of
    mind (some of their supporters might, though!). There's nothing
    arrogant about saying that I hope they do; it's the best recipe for
    defeat. I won't waste your time citing examples from history. 
    
    Gloating isn't usually my game; I sincerely hope to see Blackburn in
    Europe next year, because I really think they could win something -
    they've got the players. Any gloating here is probable a knee-jerk
    reaction to some of the comments levelled at Man Utd. after Sunday's
    (deserved) defeat. 
    
    You're not a Sheffield Wednesday supporter by any chance, are you?
    
    Dom
202.273CHEFS::HARRISRAve you gota loit boy ?Wed Mar 30 1994 15:267
    how many games did Aston Villa lose on the trot before last Sunday. It
    just shows that you must really want to win to beat Man United. Chelsea
    had the belief that they could do it after nicking the first of their
    wins over the seemingly undefeatable Man U. I beleve (actually I hope)
    that Blackburn will thrash Man U and win the league. 
    
    Rich.
202.274Don't shoot the messenger !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Mar 30 1994 16:2032
Calling Dom Turner,

Much more of this and I'm going to take it personally !

I'm just an average football fan really, I like to think my match reports 
on Blackburns home games are accurate and make no bones about them being 
the subjective views of a Blackburn fan who was there. There appear to be 
a number of people who read them, for interest or amusement ;-), either 
way I enjoy the banter it creates for my lunchtime entertainment. 

I'm a bit surprised that you consider my contributions arrogant, I freely 
admit to the odd wind-up but they are not difficult to spot and isn't 
that part of the game ?

Incidentally I'm pretty new to this but two of my noting heroes are 
Jon Button for his reports and Ned Kelly for his humour. 

The one thing I do know is that there are far too many out there who are 
all to quick to jump up and down when their team win or an opponent looses but
    go missing when the reverse happens. Not that I'm accusing you of being
    that sad of course. 

Thankyou for your interest, 

Cheers,

Andy 

p.s. Nearly lost my sense of humour for a moment there ;-) forgive me,
my colleagues are not giving me an easy time today :-)

p.p.s. ITS NOT OVER YET !  
202.275Pax Vobiscum!PAVONE::TURNERWed Mar 30 1994 16:5332
    Andy,
    
    Don't take it to heart - there's nothing particularly *wrong* with your
    match reports. You're a Blackburn fan and it's only logical that you
    prefer to see them win rather than lose. I don't really have a problem,
    in that I don't consider myself a supporter of any one team. Sure, I
    have my preferences, but at the ripe old age of 32 I find it hard to
    get elated/distraught over the fate of a football team. Mind you, I
    recall having to hold back the tears when Leeds (my boyhood idols)
    lost the European Cup Final to Bayern Munich in 1975! Manchester United
    play great football, IMO, but I do acknowledge that they have greater
    resources than (say) Oldham.
    
    I've nothing whatsoever against Blackburn (God knows, I haven't seen
    them play enough to really give an authorative opinion of them); in
    fact, after seeing Shearer and Le Saux for England the other week, I'd
    say that Kenny Dalglish is doing a good job. Perhaps I was harkening
    back to a time earlier in the season when Man. Utd had a 16-point
    advantage and people in this note were helping them understand what was
    wrong with their game ;-)
    
    But who can resist a quick windup at times like this? Far from having
    an adverse effect on Blackburn's morale, I expect them to be raring to
    go against United. It ought to be a cracker, although neither team appears
    to be on top form at the moment. (Shouldn't we be waching over our
    shoulders for Arsenal and Newcastle?!) 
    
    As an overseas Brit, just make sure you win the UEFA Cup next year
    ...preferably beating Juventus or Inter Milan 9-0 en route ;-) 
    
    Dom
    
202.276Still dreamingWOTVAX::NORTHSWed Mar 30 1994 17:0926
    
    I think that if we were going to lose a match than it was always
    going to be last nights, I must admit though that the score line was a
    bit of a shock.
    
    Wimbledon always come up with the shock results and we have never been
    able to master playing against the long ball teams.  
    
    With 8 games left, 4 home and 4 away, I still think that the
    championship is still wide open, even if Utd beat Liverpool tonight
    although it is now fundemental that we beat Utd on Saturday.
    
    So tonight it is going to be another night listening to the radio
    hoping that Liverpool can do us a big favour and at least get something
    from tonights game.
    
    
    The dream lives on in Blackburn
    
    Stephen
    Kennys Barmy Army
    
    
    
    
    
202.277Aye, reet lad !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Mar 30 1994 17:3223
    Dom,
    
    passionate as I am about my team I really don't take any of this toooo
    seriously ;-) !  
    
    As I've told you before my job is to educate and inform, and have a bit
    of fun along the way. Just think how impressed your italian buddies 
    will be next season when you can recite the career history of 
    Super-Atko and Big-Al as they both get hat-tricks at the San Ciro.
    
    Save your soul man, get off the fence ! I'm sure your roots are 
    struggling under such repression, come out now, acknowledge your 
    birthright, support the Rovers !. Anyone who follows a sport without 
    following a particular team is missing out on a large part of the
    experience. Don't give me this too old to care nonsense, we're the same
    age, get a satellite dish before its too late ! 
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    p.s. Are you in some kind of Monastery over there ?
                
202.278UPROAR::LEMPLive slow, die youngWed Mar 30 1994 18:0527
    Dom,
    
    >Firstly, I don't consider myself a "manc" (I'm a paying member of the
    
    Sorry, I should have used "ManU supporter" there. "Manc" infers someone
    who comes from Manchester: well spotted!
    
    Your sentence did seem to infer, to me at least, that the match on
    Saturday was a foregone conclusion. That they wouldn't be so cocky
    *after* the match. I took this as arrogant.
    
    >You're not a Sheffield Wednesday supporter by any chance, are you?
    
    Yup, and I've always disliked ManU (as any self-respecting Yorkshireman
    should). If you're thinking that my comments are as a result of our two
    thrashings at the hands of ManU in recent weeks then you are wrong. It
    wouldn't be a proper season for Wednesday if they didn't lose at least
    once by a five-goal deficit. If you want to see real sour-grapes then
    try the Arsenal note!!
    
    I just think that some of the ManU supporters have fell for the media
    hype and think that it is a foregone conclusion that they will reign
    supreme as Liverpool did in the eighties. I'm glad that someone is
    giving them a run for their money.
    
    Yours in sport, Paul.
    
202.279The Eternal NeutralPAVONE::TURNERWed Mar 30 1994 20:2829
    >As I've told you before my job is to educate and inform, and have a bit
    >of fun along the way. Just think how impressed your italian buddies 
    >will be next season when you can recite the career history of 
    >Super-Atko and Big-Al as they both get hat-tricks at the San Ciro.
    
    Tell Big Al to conveniently fluff a few as well, Andy. There are people
    out here with even bigger chequebooks than your Mr. Walker. You
    wouldn't want to see him playing for Lazio or Juventus next year, now
    would you?
    
    No, I really don't *support* anyone. You can quote me on that. However,
    I still manage to get that edgy feeling when I sit down and watch a
    game because I almost invariably have a preference between the two
    sides. Well, OK, I suppose I do have a softspot for Brighton, my home
    town (that should bring a chorus of ridicule from the Palace fans in
    this notesfile ;-)). It's not a question of being too old to care;
    quite simply I don't have a favorite team, just like I don't have
    a favorite colour.
    
    >    p.s. Are you in some kind of Monastery over there ?
    
    Errrr...no. You'll have to explain this one!
    
    To Paul L: Maybe the Mancs (sorry, ManU) fans back in the UK are going
    a bit over the top, but I think they seem a fairly stable lot in this
    conference.
    
    All the best,
      Dom
202.280Hmmmm..UPROAR::LEMPLive slow, die youngWed Mar 30 1994 21:3722
    Dom,
    
    >To Paul L: Maybe the Mancs (sorry, ManU) fans back in the UK are going
    >a bit over the top, but I think they seem a fairly stable lot in this
    >conference.
    
    I'd have to agree there.
    
    .262 was written with a great deal of restraint, wit and a certain 
    humility. I took it to mean "Bravo, plucky Blackburn. Keep up the good
    show as we're enjoying it every bit as much as you".
    
    .267 is a prime example of how the ManU fans accept with total
    aquinimity any team who can compete with them  on the field and in the
    transfer market.
    
    I must admit, seriously now, that yours was the most level note. I just
    picked on that one because I misunderstood what you were getting at.
    
    Paul.
      
     
202.281Must be time for SKY pre-match build upWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Mar 31 1994 17:4624
Looking at the probable teams I just can't imagine any tactical shocks 
on Saturday, looks like 200 mph down the flanks and open warfare down the 
middle. God help the ref !

		     Flowers 

Berg	 	  May and Hendry               Le Saux
Sharpe	         Giggs and Hughes            Kanchelskis

		Batty and Sherwood
		Ince  and Keane

Ripley          Shearer and Newell            Wilcox
Irwin         Pallister and Bruce            Parker

		   Schmiechel

with McClair, Dublin, Warhurst and Marker as probable subs.

Come on you Blues,

Cheers,

Andy
202.282NOW I'M REALLY SMILING :-)WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Apr 05 1994 13:0546
Blackburn Rovers  2  
Manchester Utd.   0

Tremendous atmosphere down at Ewood Park for the biggest game of the season 
so far, built up by some as big test of Blackburns nerve.

First half very cagey, but encouraging signs for Rovers as the game was 
played very much in Uniteds half. Blackburn probing and United holding back 
looking to exploit a break. Batty and Sherwood dominant in midfield, picking 
up most of the loose ball and their tremendous work rate suppressed Ince and 
Keane. Not much for the neutrals though, few chances to speak of at either end.

Second half Rovers come out and finally the patience pays off, Shearer 
nodding in a Sherwood cross. Now United have to come out and the game opens 
up, the temperature rises and the pace quickens. But Blackburn are not going 
to roll over to United as so many have done this season. Blackburns defence
is resolute and Uniteds forwards get little change. Flowers eventually called 
to make a save from a point blank volley from Kanchelskis, but does his 
job well. United try to push more and more but get totally frustrated as 
Blackburn still dominate all areas of the pitch. Ince unluckily has one bobble
off his knee against the outside of the post but when Ripley puts a ball 
into the path of Shearer 1-on-1 with Pallister there was only ever one 
outcome as he hammered it home from about 12 yds out. 

Shearer got MOTM for the goals but for me Batty proved himself the master 
of midfield and showed just how good he has become at Blackburn.

I could go on and on about this game but on the whole it was a fair result, 
Blackburn once again proving that they have nothing to fear from a United 
side who played only as well as they were allowed to. 

Everton 0
Blackburn 3

The blues really on a roll, only listened to this on the radio but Blackburn
had it in the bag with a goal from Wilcox and two from Mike Newell. A good 
three points and things are really coming together.

Its not over yet and there are no easy games at this stage of the season but 
with Newcastle and Arsenal dropping points that place in Europe gets nearer and
nearer.

Cheers,

Andy
    
202.283WOTVAX::NORTHSTue Apr 05 1994 16:5144
    Everton 0                      
    Rovers  3
    
    
    Everton started well in this top v bottom clash, passing the ball about
    well but not having anyone up front who ever looked like scoring.
    
    The Rovers scored on their first attack with Newell knocking in a ball
    from 3 yards which really should have ben cleared by Everton.
    
    In the second half the Rovers started to dominate things with Batty
    especially running the midfield.  The second goal was a thunderbolt
    from 25-30 yrds from Wilcox, who ran with the ball from the half way
    line and launched the shot that beat Southall and went in off the post.
    
    The Everton heads had dropped and the third goal looked likely which
    came near the end again from Newell.
    
    Overall, it was clear who was near the top and who was getting very
    near to the bottom.
    
    One other point that I would like to mention, I have been to Goodison
    on many occasions ususally sitting in the Visitors stand which was
    behind the goal, it is now a building site.  This year we were seated
    in the Lower Bullons stand, which used to be for Everton fans, and I
    have to say I thought the view of the game was disgusting.  Apart from
    the many pillars which completely obstructed my view of one of the
    goals, the height of the roof was laughable which meant that every time
    the ball went over 10 foot in the air you couldn't see a thing.
    
    I would have thought for 11 pound a ticket you would expect to be able
    to see the game???
    
    
    Re the championship.
    
    United must still be the fravourites but we are now putting on the
    pressure.  United to play Leeds in their next league game I think that
    this could be the one which United slip up on.
    
    
    regards
    Stephen
    Kennys Barmy Army
202.284tv WOTVAX::NORTHSThu Apr 07 1994 15:3610
    As predicted, both the Rovers and Utd's final games have been switched
    to Sunday May 8th, kicking off at 4pm.
    
    Sky at the moment have not decided which one to televise, this will be
    decided nearer the time, depending on how things go.
    
    Saturday 3pm kick off's seem to be a thing of the past in Blackburn.
    
    Regards
    Stephen
202.285and I'll be at San SelhurstYUPPY::PANESNearly backThu Apr 07 1994 15:4715
                     <<< Note 202.284 by WOTVAX::NORTHS >>>
                                    -< tv  >-

>   As predicted, both the Rovers and Utd's final games have been switched
>   to Sunday May 8th, kicking off at 4pm.
    
>   Sky at the moment have not decided which one to televise, this will be
>   decided nearer the time, depending on how things go.
    
>   Saturday 3pm kick off's seem to be a thing of the past in Blackburn.
    
     I read that they are contemplating one match on Sky Sports and the other
     on Sky One.  

     Stuart
202.286The best thing on TellyWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Apr 11 1994 17:4128
    Well its another SKY Sports trip to Ewood Tonight, at least the 
    viewers won't be troubled by the nasty shadows from the building site.
    
    I'm told the highlight of the first half of the United game was a
    crowd scene featuring yours truly !. I will have to re-check my video
    for evidence.   
    
    Team news seems to be that Stuart Ripley, who had been the only ever
    present in the side this season is not fit to play. Alan Wright could fill
    in on the left as he did at Everton with Jason Wilcox taking the right wing.
    
    Kenny has also got the option of bringing in Warhurst or doing the
    Berg to midfield, May to full back, and Moran or Marker at centre half 
    shuffle again.
    
    I expect Villa to try and do what they did against United, i.e. stuff 5 in
    midfield to stifle the game. Maybe Villa will try and extract some 
    revenge for what we did to them last season, maybe not.   
    
    Having just about recovered my voice from the United game i'll be there
    shouting "it's not over yet" :-)
    
    Come on you Blues !
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
                       
202.287City at WembleyESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Mon Apr 11 1994 23:2012
202.288After nine minutes..MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Tue Apr 12 1994 00:133
    Shearer has just scored his 33 goal of the season...
    
    		Battyburn 1	- 	Villa 0
202.289Level at the topUPROAR::LEMPLive slow, die youngTue Apr 12 1994 12:1410
    re -1
    
    And that's how it remained (1:0). Well done Blackburn!
    
    I understand that Ferguson is going to use the Winbledon dressing room
    technique of having a ghetto-blaster playing at full volume. His choice
    of music: Jah Wobble of course.
    
    Paul.
    
202.290Pressure ? What pressure ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Apr 12 1994 12:5545
    Blackburn   1
    Aston Villa 0
    
    Its cliche time !
    
    Basically it was a game of 2 halves - 
    
    In the first Rovers totally dominated, playing some excellent 1 touch 
    football. Shearer scored again after a long ball from Wilcox was 
    nodded down to him in the area by Newell. Should have been at least 2
    up but it wasn't to be.
    
    In the second half proof positive that - there are no easy games at
    this stage of the season -. Big Ron brought on Houghton for Saunders
    and Villa - who had nothing to lose - started to gain control of the
    midfield. Dalglish brought on Wright and Warhurst for Batty and Ripley
    and in the end Rovers had to be content to hold on to the points.
    
    One excellent save each from Bosnich and later Flowers but not too much
    goal mouth action to speak of.
    
    A coach load of Villa fans turned up at my local after the game
    (strange as I live north of Blackburn?) and they were well pleased
    about the prospect of Blackburn winning the league. Their opinion being
    Blackburn were a good attacking team with a solid defence, while MANU
    were a bunch of flash mouthy gits who relied too heavily on trying to 
    intimidate the officials and the opposition.  - I felt it would have
    been impolite to disagree, particularly as there were about 30 of them
    and 6 of us.
    
    So its still wide open but goal difference and a game in hand doesn't 
    seem like much when we were talking about 16 points at Christmas.
    
    Just 3 more points puts us in Europe !
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy 
    
    p.s. My reference to being on the telly was the Rovers Vs United game,
    do you really think I would travel all the way to Wembley to watch 
    a mediocre Oldham take on a piss poor team like MANU minus Cantona ;-). 
    
    
     
202.291Psycology for Beginners.WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Apr 13 1994 13:017
    Exercise 1:
    
    Notes 202.59 & 32.3905, Compare and contrast.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy  
202.292TRUCKS::SANTnetwork partner exitedWed Apr 13 1994 14:4810
    
    	Brilliant, Andy!
    
    	Let's face it he's a saddo. At least one or other, and maybe
    	even both, of us will be celebrating this season with success.
    	
    	Cunno, on the other hand, will be "shaking his fist" in a pre-owned
    	Tranmere jersey. Really sad.
    
    	Andy. 
202.293WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Apr 13 1994 17:5720
    Andy,
    
    Re: Celebrations
    
    I'll be celebrating as soon as we get 3 more points, a place in
    Europe is what matters to me now. Then the pressure is really off and 
    we can go after the league title, having never mathematically been
    ahead its not something we can chastise ourselves for throwing away
    (yet ?).
    
    I can imagine United will not judge a treble of runners-up medals
    (assuming they can beat Oldham) and a UEFA cup place as an event worthy 
    of much celebration but how about if they only win the F.A. Cup, would 
    that be greeted with glee or a gallic shrug of the shoulders ?
    
    (Serious hypothetical question not trying to wind anyone up!).
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy 
202.294deja vue from two years ago...TRUCKS::SANTnetwork partner exitedWed Apr 13 1994 18:1322
    
    	I think that if we "only" finish up with the FA Cup (and this
    	is in no way meant to be dismissive of Chelsea's ambitions)
    	then it would be a disaster.
    
    	However, the shareholders of Manchester United Plc may view 
    	this differently. I don't know...
    
    	Personally I'd like us to retain the title. Keep the cups, I'd
    	rather see sides like Villa and Chelsea in Europe next season
    	than someone finishing 3rd/4th/5th whatever in the league. I've
    	been saying this all through the treble BS that's been going 
    	around.
    
    	However, I have a strong suspicion that Blackburn's surge is so
    	unstoppable now that we've perhaps blown the league. It may still
    	be in our own hands, but two draws in six games will put paid 
    	to that analysis, even if we could win the other four. On current
    	form we haven't a chance!
    
    	Andy.
               
202.295NEWOA::FIDO_TConation is the keyWed Apr 13 1994 18:228
>    	be in our own hands, but two draws in six games will put paid 
>    	to that analysis, even if we could win the other four. 
    
    That would require Blackburn to win all of their remaining five games.
    Do you really think that is realistic ?
    
    Terry
    
202.296A season of 2 halves, but the team with the most points will win ;-)BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Wed Apr 13 1994 19:3826
    Re: -1
    
    It certainly seems to be. Balckburn seem to have the same air about
    them now, that ManU had back when they were 16 points ahead and
    cruising. The questions to be answered now are:
    
    1. Can Blackburn keep up the run under the ever-increasing pressure ?
    
    2. Can ManU recover their composure enough to make Blackburn's results
    over the next five games academic ?
    
    
    As a United fan, I would like to say that the answers are Yes and
    Yes. I'ld prefer us to win by virzue of what we do than by Blackburn 
    falling at the last.  Realistically speaking I think ManU will probably
    win four, draw one and either draw or lose one (Wimbledon ?). 
    Blackburn, by my reckoning, should win three and draw two.
    
    My hypothesis and asscoiated mathematics, if correct, then suggests to 
    me that the game on Saturday (ManU .vs. Wombles) will decide the
    destination of the Championship ! Of course, I know sod all about
    football so my hypothesis isn't really worth a damn. Unfortunately,
    that won't stop me from worrying on Saturday (Anyone know how to ask
    for Valium in Swiss German ;-) ?).
    
    Jerry.
202.297Could it be the tortoise and the hare ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Apr 13 1994 19:5438
    Terry, 
    
    from my perspective, there are just no easy games at this stage
    but the ones you don't want are those against serious rivals, grudge
    matches or teams fighting for survival. 
    
    United must put Wimbledon (for whom every game is a grudge match), Leeds, 
    Southampton and Man City in this category, while Blackburn have Southampton 
    to worry about. 
    
    Given a choice, the games you would prefer are those against sides with 
    little to play for who often give a few young prospects a game at 
    this stage. But then such teams can turn you over because 
    they play a more carefree style !
    
    We both have to play Coventry and Ipswich at the end of the month who 
    should by that time be safe and Blackburn also have West Ham and QPR. 
    
    Another factor is that there's still time for injuries and suspensions.
    Blackburn have been badly hit throughout the season and seem to have 
    coped well with these things, they are currently the form side and looking 
    fairly fit. On the other hand United who have been relatively injury 
    free (except Sharpe) all season now appear to be looking vulnerable
    when the team is disrupted.  
    
    Although the form book can and does get turned over now and again my
    guess (hope) is Blackburn to win by 1 or 2 points but neither side is
    going to get maximum points from their remaining games.
    
    Either way its going to be bloody close, particularly if Blackburn can
    keep winning because United will have the extra pressure of needing to get
    something from the game in hand. 
    
    Its not over yet,         
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.298Cunno.....we could rebuild him (if we wanted to)BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonWed Apr 13 1994 20:3624
    
    Hey Andy,
    
    	I found this in VTX Livewire News today.......maybe there's hope
    for Cunno yet.........
    
    +++++
    
        LATEST FROM THE LAB: AN ARTIFICIAL BRAIN
    
        American scientists have taken the first step towards growing a
        "test-tube brain" to provide the basis for a new generation of
        computers and a tool to enable researchers to understand brain
        disorders.  The original inspiration for the research came from an
        AT&T Bell Laboratories project in which rat neurones were grown using
        conventional chip fabrication technology.
    
        Daily Telegraph, London.  13th April 1994
    
    +++++
    
	8-)
    
    JBG
202.299He'll never leave the sinking shipWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Apr 13 1994 20:4913
    JBG,
    
    given that this technology has only been used with Rats I think it would
    be a bit unfair on any innocent rat that might unwittingly find itself
    going around in wheel ranting about Aldo and Ronnie Whelan.
    
    It would however be easy spot as the only rat in the lab that never got
    anything right, and consistently kept going back to where the cheese
    used to be !
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.300UPROAR::LEMPLive slow, die youngWed Apr 13 1994 22:167
    >Notes 202.59 & 32.3905, Compare and contrast.
    
    He must have seen the light (smiley thing). Or, *maybe*, he's taking
    the piss and being devil's advocate (no smiley thing).
    
    Paul.
    
202.301RANGERS Rumour WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Apr 15 1994 16:0420
202.302PAVONE::TURNERFri Apr 15 1994 16:4514
202.303IRNBRU::HOWARDvamos a la playaFri Apr 15 1994 16:497
    COngrats to Blackburn Rovers on sneakily moving past the 300 note mark
    without anyone noticing. What's the chances of catching note 32 with
    only seven games and 3600 notes to go?...I wouldn't bet against it with
    that man Shearer in their team....
    
    Ray....
    ps...are B'burn live on Sky this weekend?....
202.304XSTACY::PHAYDENFri Apr 15 1994 17:026
    >>ps...are B'burn live on Sky this weekend?....


Nope ! Man. & Leeds United Sat & Sun respectively.

Peter.
202.305Note 202 - its not over yet !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Apr 15 1994 17:3017
    Ray,                                                                  
    
    I suspect this note will go into serious overdrive soon. Now that Cunno
    and Bolger have declared themselves to the cause Turner and Hayden won't 
    be far behind and even the ever reasonable Mr. Blong will be compelled to
    write a glowing tribute to the new League Champions :-).
    
    I'm hoping that my "it's all over now" note will be a 00 classic.
    
    The old tenuous link strategy is fine as it goes but nothing beats a
    good wind-up when it comes to clocking up replies !
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    p.s. Blackburn's remaining home games vs QPR and vs Ipswich are on Sky.     
202.306BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonFri Apr 15 1994 17:568
    
    Andy,
    
    	you interested in cricket by any chance? I know Alex Stuart is a
    Chelsea fan but they at least play in blue and white and have beaten
    United twice already this season....
    
    JBG
202.307Important Things About Blackburn, No. 307PAVONE::TURNERFri Apr 15 1994 18:007
    And my old man's from Blackpool, which, if pronounced with an ice cube
    in your mouth, might be confused with Blackburn...
    
    Hmm, I think we'll overtake 32 by the end of the afternoon at this
    rate.
    
    Dom 
202.308What have I done to deserve this ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Apr 15 1994 18:2020
    Re last 2:
    
    Mr Goode,
    
    Yes, i'm interested in Cricket, my club is called East Lancs, they are
    based in Blackburn and they play in the Lancashire League. I suspect
    they could probably beat the Old Trafford mob with a bit of Uncle Jacks 
    support too ! 
    
    Mr Turner,
    
    You could try putting your old man in your mouth and saying "ice
    cube", I'm sure that would be much more worthy of a note ;-)
    
    Its going to be hard work overtaking 32 at this rate,
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
     
202.309Perhaps you were a Manc supporter in a previous life ?BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Fri Apr 15 1994 18:235
    Re:        <<< Note 202.308 by WOTVAX::GREENJA "Andy Green" >>>
                    -< What have I done to deserve this ? >-
    
    
    Answers on a postcard please ;-)
202.310You mean like you Jerry :-)WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Apr 15 1994 18:291
    
202.311PAVONE::TURNERFri Apr 15 1994 18:507
    >                -< What have I done to deserve this ? >-
    
    You know what? I think we *will* be overtaking 32 before the day's
    out...
    
    Dom
    
202.312CV time again....IRNBRU::HOWARDvamos a la playaFri Apr 15 1994 19:317
    Will Digital last that long?...
    
    Q3 183 million loss, shares stopped trading at $24....
    
    thank God for football....
    
    Ray....
202.313KERNEL::WITHALLGWait Till They Getta Loada MeFri Apr 15 1994 20:1110
    
    
    Ray,
     
        what sort of business could we set up ?. I could be the Southern
    arm of it anyways...
    
    
    
     
202.314Alan Shearer rumour...XSTACY::MDUNPHYJust another Day!!Fri Apr 15 1994 20:168
I got this on a mailing list.....


Someone posted an article on a scottish football list that the England 
striker had been killed.  THIS IS JUST A RUMOUR - can anyone confirm or 
deny this?  It is either the sickest attempt at a practical joke I've 
ever seen on a list or one hell of a tragedy.  
Hoping it's not true,
202.315 WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Apr 15 1994 21:166
    
    I have checked this out and it is not true.  
                                  
    Words fail me.
    
    Andy.
202.316PLAYER::LESOILMon Apr 18 1994 11:275
    
    
      Well, what the hell happened to Blackburn...
    
    
202.317Hello to another loyal reader ;-)WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Apr 18 1994 12:5535
    Southampton 3
    Blackburn   1
    
    I'll leave the match report to Stephen, who was planning to go to the game.
    
    From the radio - it sounded like Southampton were hungrier in the first
    half and went in 2-0 up. Then Blackburn came back strongly and at 2-1 with
    the saints on the rack up the referee decided to make a name for
    himself by giving a dubious penalty that killed the game. I don't
    consider radio a reliable medium on which to judge a game so I have
    to write it off as another one of those days.
    
    I think its sufficient to say that I was not the happiest man on earth
    for about an hour on Saturday. 
    
    Then I settled down in front of the SKY to watch Wimbledon. This cheered 
    me up immensely, particularly when "the worlds greatest goalkeeper"
    contrived to give the goal away and later ensure that Bruce wasn't going
    to score the equaliser. United had something like 70% possession but
    Segers probably only had to make 3 saves, and biased I may be but
    United seemed to be totally lacking creativity. 
    
    So its still all to play for with the top two struggling for
    consistency at the moment.
    
    I suppose I have to trust that Kenny Dalglish, famous long distance
    runner that he is, knows that you don't hit the front until the very
    last minute ;-)
    
    Its not over yet ;-)
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
                                                 
202.318MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Mon Apr 18 1994 13:036
    re. about lacking creativity...
    
    	It shows how important Mr. E. Cantona is to their play doesn't
    it... without him they are just an ordinary team.. :->
    
    Rick.
202.319CHEFS::HARRISRAve you gota loit boy ?Mon Apr 18 1994 15:0513
    Was there some clause in Shearers contract that said if Southamton were
    in the sh*t, and they were playing Blackburn, then the game must be
    thrown, even if the championship depended on it ????????????????
    
    
    Why couldn't you win ? 
                                                 
    
    
    ArrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    Rich.
202.320CHEFS::HARRISRAve you gota loit boy ?Mon Apr 18 1994 15:053
    It might have done Spurs some good too.
    
    Rich.
202.321600 miles for nothingWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Apr 18 1994 16:3763
    
                     	Southampton     3
    			Rovers          1
    
    
    My first visit to the Dell on Saturday on a sunny but windy day.
    
    The Rovers were forced to make a change with Colin Hendry suspended,
    and brought in Kevin Moran to replace him.  Also both Batty and Ripley
    were not 100% fit but had to play.
    
    The first half was dreadful from a Rovers point of view.  Southampton
    fully deserved to be 2-0 up and at times played some delightful
    football.  The Rovers looked tired and struggled to string two passes
    together.  It must be said that Moran was terrible, and I am sure that
    we witnessed his last game for the Rovers.  Both goals were down to his
    errors and first being a header and the second a nice chip over the
    committed Flowers.
    
    The second half was a different story, Kenny must have read the riot
    act at half time and straight from the restart the Rovers started
    passing the ball about and using Ripley and Wilcox on the wings.  The
    Rovers goal was a soft shot from Ripley amd it must be said a dreadful
    goalkeeping error from Bassett.  At this point I was convinced we would
    still win the game, Southampton were crumbling and the Rovers were
    getting stronger and stronger.  Shearer had a good chance which Bassett
    saved.
    
    Then the killer punch, the ref decided to award a penalty to
    Southampton for handball by Sherwood.  It was difficult to see from
    where I was but by the reaction of the Rovers players they felt that
    the wrong decision had been made.  As yet I havn't seen the TV pictures
    of the incident so I cannot really comment.  Le-tissier, who had a fine
    game, then beat Flowers to score the penalty and that was that.
    
    In the closing minutes, Shearer should have scored with an easy chance,
    but decided to knock it wide instead.
    
    Once the final whistle had gone, I was convinced that we had lost the
    championship and we trudged back to the pub to drown our sorrow in the
    weak, flat southern lager.  By 7pm our spirits have been lifted with
    the result from Selhurst Park and we are still in with a chance.
    
    One final point,  the 2500 Rovers fans were fantastic throughout the
    game but it was a shame that only 2 Rovers players had the thought to
    come and applaud the fans that had travelled a long way and spent alot
    of cash to see the game.  Well done  Tim Flowers and Graeme Le Saux.
    
    Will we win the league????
              
    
    		I havn't got a clue, both clubs are dropping points and
    		both have tricky games to come.
    
    
    Regards
    Stephen
    Kenny's Barmy Army
    
    
      
    
    
202.322Another Blackburn/MANU competition.WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Apr 18 1994 16:3815
202.323Glossy Matt FinishESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Mon Apr 18 1994 16:5713
202.324SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAye KarumbaMon Apr 18 1994 17:5011
    
    I think that any team looking at Europe next year could do much worse
    than look at Richard Jobson of Oldham. Every time I've seen him on
    telly he's played well.
    
    And he's ugly too. All the good centre-halves are ugly. Adams, Bruce,
    Bould, Keown, Hendry etc etc.
    
    Tony
    
    
202.325KERNEL::WITHALLGWait Till They Getta Loada MeMon Apr 18 1994 18:028
    
    
    Tony -  
    
      I play centre half and I resemble your comments.
    
    
    Gazzer
202.326Show Southampton the door Matt !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Apr 18 1994 18:0728
    Brian,
    
    I'm sure Shearer and Le T. are old mates, he was just wishing him luck
    and passing on the details of what a contract at Blackburn is worth !
    Let's not get confused between hostility and banter again ;-)
    
    As you say, lots of transfer rumour but Maybe David May is the carrot to 
    get over Kanchelskis to Blackburn ! As we are also in the frame for 
    Ferdinand, Sutton and Baresi I'm not sure who will be lining up for us
    next season ;-) Much will depend on if, and where, Paul Warhurst is going to
    fit.   
    
    Isn't it time you put your Long list of results/fixtures in 32. again.
    I have a suspicion that I haven't seen it since MANU's form has been,
    shall we say, less than impressive ?.
    
    Its not over yet and I'd agree with your next 2 draws prediction for
    MANU: First I fancy Paul Walsh to give Bruce and Pallister some grief and
    then I'm not sure Cantonas head can handle a return at Elland Road
    (visions of an over-hyped Gazza ending a wembley game on a stretcher). 
    
    Personally the way things are going for Blackburn at the moment I just 
    want to see us into Europe with 3 more points and then a shot at the 
    title would really make my year.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.327Bassett for SouthamptonYOUWOT::HOUSENWorld famous brick hypnotistMon Apr 18 1994 23:2913
    Re: .321 - Just to make the game interesting, Southampton played
    Sheffield United's manager - *Harry* Bassett in goal, and despite one 
    dreadful attempt to throw the game, Blackburn couldn't get enough 
    shots on target for Bassett to fluff. A disconsolate Bassett who has
    given up trying to encourage his own team, then popped off down the
    road to play for Man.Utd.... After Bassett's cameo performance, Alan
    Ball has decided to leave Dave Beasant tied and gagged,  as this will
    ensure that he won't let the ball through his legs against Spurs, and
    it's unlikely he will be needed for a more goalworthy attempt
    than a Rosenthal bobbler.
    
    Norman ;-)  
                            
202.328Someone to scare the opposition.PAKORA::DROONEYLifes a beachMon Apr 18 1994 23:526
    
    Re.324
    
    Terry Hurlock should have been a centre half.....8-)
    
    Davie
202.329It was exciting on TeletextWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Apr 20 1994 16:2619
                  
    The game didn't even warrant an article in my morning paper but 
    Wimbledon did us a favour last night. 
    
    Arsenal can now only get 79 points max, Newcastle can only get 80 and
    as those two still have to play each other yet its impossible for them 
    both to pass us. (Even if Arsenal were to beat us on Goal Diff. we 
    could still get a UEFA place for 3rd if they beat Parma). 
    
    However if things work out really well Blackburn and Newcastle could be
    spreading the McEwans name around Europe next year with MANU and Arsenal
    winning a those cups and joining Aston Villa who are already there.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
     
    p.s. Worst case scenario for anybody North of Wembley would have to be 
    Blackburn and Newcastle missing out to Arsenal and Chelsea.  
202.330europe here we comeWOTVAX::NORTHSWed Apr 20 1994 17:125
    Andy,
    
    What was the score??????
    
    Stephen
202.3311-1. WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Apr 20 1994 17:141
    
202.332Nowt to do wi BlackburnNSIC00::ROLLITTThe despicable dry doings of dogsWed Apr 20 1994 19:188
    I'm writing this ere rather than in my usual Sheffield Wednesday
    (glory, glory, etc) spot cos its been dead there for a while. Does
    anyone know the ground for tonite's match between Holland and Ireland is? 
    And also whether John Sheridan or Alan Kelly are playing?
    
    Ta
    
    Simon
202.3331 out of 2ESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Wed Apr 20 1994 19:364
202.334ThanxNSIC00::ROLLITTThe despicable dry doings of dogsWed Apr 20 1994 19:445
    Thanx. Tilburg is some place where Vasco da Gama-type people might go
    but for On-a-tight-budget-type people it's not an option. Spose I'll
    have to listen to Leeds beat Man Utd 2-1 this evening instead.
    
    Simon
202.336BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonWed Apr 20 1994 20:106
    
    Simon,
    
    		you'll have a long wait 8-)
    
    JBG
202.337 WHAT ?????????????????WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Apr 20 1994 21:0315
    Er, just what the hell is going on ?
    
    Sheffield, Tilberg, Leeds ! At least two of these are in yorkshire and
    the other one sounds like a pi**-poor lager wherever it is.
    
    What kind of language is this to be bandied around in a Blackburn note?
    
    As we say in these parts, Bugger off ;-) 
    
    Cheers,
                           
    Andy 
    
    p.s. Its not over yet !
    
202.338Tenuous Link Coming UpPANIC::ANDERSONSlip Sliding AwayThu Apr 21 1994 20:4516
    
    Well, the final part of the McEwans Alliance is about to play its part
    (That is if Notts County still have McEwans Lager as the logo on their
    away kit).
    
    I've just booked my seat for next Wednesday's match at Upton Park where
    I shall of course be cheering for the boys from the Black[burn] stuff.
    
    Sadly my four fellow attendees may attempt to silence me since they are
    either West Ham or Man Utd fans or both. (To say nothing of the fact
    that I will be amidst the 'Ammers faithful).
    
    Full match report will be forthcoming, so don't bother to tune in to
    those red-spectacled men on Radio 5 Live.
    
    Rob
202.339ShearerwonderlandWOTVAX::NORTHSThu Apr 21 1994 21:1220
    
    Rob,
    
    Good to hear that you will be at Upton Park cheering on the Rovers next
    Wednesday.
    
    Unfortunatley, I can't make this one but I will be there in spirit.
    
    With Utd playing Leeds the same night, it will be a very important
    night for the premiership contenders and I think whoever comes out on
    top on Wednesday night will win the league.
    
    
    Keep singing.
    
    
    Regards
    Stephen
    Kenny's Barmy Army
                 
202.340Rearranged matches upset work !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Apr 22 1994 13:0211
    
    Re: .338
    
    Nice one Rob, if only I could find a reason to be @HHL I'd be getting
    along there myself ;-).
    
    cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    
202.341I've been to better games :-|WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Apr 25 1994 12:4741
    Blackburn 1
    Q.P.R.    1
    
    Not a very satisfying result from not a very satisfying performance.
    
    I felt a nervous Blackburn didn't take the chances that came their way
    but generally allowed a carefree QPR team to play like the home team.
    
    May hit the bar early on and the Q.P.R. keeper went on to have a very
    good game, but generally Rangers looked the more comfortable and I made
    Colin Hendry my Man of the Match !
    
    Shearer scored from a perfect 25 yd free kick pretty much against the
    run of play but then Rovers really didn't turn the power on the way
    they were doing just a couple of weeks ago.
    
    Warhurst replaced Newell but considering he is a totally different
    style of player and still a yd short of pace Blackburn failed to adjust
    accordingly.
    
    Sherwood appeared to loose concentration after Ferdinand was
    stretchered off after a very nasty leg injury and had his worst game of
    the season. Basically he allowed Wilkins far too much time in midfield.
    
    Flowers had a lot of crosses but hardly a shot to save but was
    eventually beaten on 80 mins when a crappy free kick pinballed through
    the box and was slotted home.
    
    Blackburn finally woke up and the last 10 minutes of power play almost 
    saw a winner that was cleared off the line but it would have been 
    unfair on Q.P.R. had it gone in.
      
    No doubt this note will see the traditional "its all over now" from 
    certain quarters, and with United now needing only 7 points from their
    last 12 this wednesday is looking like a very big night indeed.
    
    Still, its not over yet ;-)
                            
    Cheers,
    
    Andy  
202.342IRNBRU::HOWARDZulu's....fousands of `emMon Apr 25 1994 13:014
    Andy,    what's the news on Ferdinand, by the way. It looked extremely
    serious to me....
    
    worried of Ayr....
202.343Take a few deep breaths and relax ;-)BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Mon Apr 25 1994 13:457
    Dear Worried,
    
    SKY reported on Saturday evening that Ferdinand only suffered bruising 
    to his knee, not nearly as serious as first feared. They didn't mention
    how long he is expected to be out (if at all).
    
    Valium. 
202.344Good one JerryBERN01::GOODEJMr DragonMon Apr 25 1994 13:4910
    
    Dear Eddy Valium,
    
    	If SKY reported that Ferdinand had a bruised knee on Saturday, then
    how come he looked ok playing against QPR on Sunday....until that nasty
    man from Blackburn knobbled him????
    
    	Keep taking the tablets! 8-)
    
    JBG
202.345It's hard to distinguish between Sat and Sun if you stay drunk !BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Mon Apr 25 1994 14:061
    SKY - First with the news. as always ;-)))))
202.346TRUCKS::SANTnetwork partner exitedMon Apr 25 1994 14:1210
    
    	Andy, did all the Blackburn midweek international withdrawals
    	recover from their injuries as well as our lot did? ;-)
    
    	Nice result by the way. Gives us some breathing space against
    	Leeds on Wednesday.
    
    	Who do 'the panel' think will bottle it from here then?

    	Andy.
202.347Are they Girlies ?!!PEKING::COSSEYNMon Apr 25 1994 14:2211
    
    Personally, I thought it was an outragous tackle and warranted at least
    a booking. Mind you Sherwood and Ripley both look as if they should
    have played in the game at Scunthorpe yesterday... 
    
    Overall a very dissapointing game with Blackburn to be quite hoonest
    looking very average side in did....
    
    Neil...
    
     
202.348And now from our foreign correspondant ...BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Mon Apr 25 1994 14:436
    -1
    
>    Overall a very dissapointing game with Blackburn to be quite hoonest
>    looking very average side in did....
    
    Really ?
202.349PEKING::COSSEYNMon Apr 25 1994 14:557
    
    
    re:.348
     
    Are you taking the P**s...
    
    Neil...
202.350Cossunu... (The English version.......)!!!KBOMFG::TANNERMidnight is where the day begins..Mon Apr 25 1994 14:599
  Neil how come your attitude to football is so negative????? Your new trend is
 running down international teams....  Like if can't see anything positive in 
the game then how about watching wet paint dry!!!!! and start at your own
doorstep if you want to start running down league teams and national teams....

                                                                  -dave-

re last... good one Jerry.......
202.351KERNEL::MCKEAVENEYJShy Ann (Indian Virgin)Mon Apr 25 1994 15:068
    Maybe he should start signing his name.........
    
        C
        O
    C O S S E Y
        S
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        Y
202.352PEKING::COSSEYNMon Apr 25 1994 15:3614
    
    Re:350
    
    Dave, What are you on about my...My comments about the game yesterday
    might be negative, but as a neutral supporter I found the game yesterday
    boring, whats wrong with that ?. Blackburn are 2nd in the table and
    quite frankly didn't look in that class, apart from Shearer who is a
    World class Striker. Sherwoods tackle on Ferdinand ok might not have
    ment to be malicious but it was over the top....And both Sherwood and
    Ripley look like women...Observations.....I injoy ripping teams apart.
    It's  better than a lot of the drival thats written... 
     
    
    Neil.. 
202.353SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAye KarumbaMon Apr 25 1994 16:0213
    
    All they have found out about Ferdinand so far is that there isn't a
    fracture. The severe bruising has meant that they haven't been able to
    check for ligament damage yet. It looked an awful tackle and I'll be
    surprised if he hasn't suffered cruciate damage. If he has, you talking
    12 months out ala Gascoigne, Brightwell, Absolom, Shearer etc, all the
    stars!!
    
    Apparently they are going to do an Arthur Oscopy later this week.
    
    Tony
    
      
202.354Sunny Scunny aren't all badPAKORA::DWARDBranson AppoMon Apr 25 1994 16:4612
    
    
    
      ref 202.347..
    
                   But even the Scunthorpe Utd players didn't play in the
                  game at Scunthorpe...they were down at Wycombe.Any anyway
                  stop pulling Scunny down,or myself and a Mr Cronin will
                  be round with a long stick and a couple of bricks!!
    
                                        A Loyal Scunny fan
    
202.355I'm sure he'd like that :-)WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Apr 25 1994 16:539
    re: a long stick and a couple of bricks
    
    Given that Mr Cossey has declared that Sherwood and Ripley are his
    idea of women I suspect that he already has such equipment !
    
    Yours helpfully,
    
    Andy 
202.356Something is over NOW !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Apr 25 1994 17:0311
    
    Congratulations to Manchester United on finally winning something, their 
    points this weekend have ensured a place in Europe next season (and 
    the treble is still on ;-)).
    
    Assuming that Newcastle can win 3 out of 3 then we still need one more 
    point from nine.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy 
202.357UNTADE::PCASYorkieMon Apr 25 1994 17:437
    re.354
    
    the only Scunny fan I ever knew wore a 'snake' belt (remember them?), I
    wonder if all Scunny fans have the same equipment?
    
    RSVP.
    Al.
202.358Scunny 1-0 DonnyNSIC00::ROLLITTCrisps - Vasco da Gama's dad JimMon Apr 25 1994 18:4511
    Not only have I got a snake belt, I've also got a friend who supports
    Scunny (Nigel Salmon).
    
    Scunny - the second footballing capital of Europe beside Rotherham (of
    Nintendo fame) - has thrown up such giants as Ray Clements and Kevin Keegan
    
    Scunny is always sunny and worth a note by itself. I'll just say 
    'Blackburn' so I don't get told off by AG for not being appropriate.
    
    Simon
     
202.359BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Mon Apr 25 1994 18:487
    Re: -1
    
>    Scunny - the second footballing capital of Europe beside Rotherham (of
>    Nintendo fame) - has thrown up such giants as Ray Clements and Kevin Keegan
                          ^^^^^^^^^
    
    How appropriate ;-)
202.360Take it away boys WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Apr 25 1994 19:1912
    Simon,
    
    look, note 371., just for you and your mate with the snake belt !
    
    Yours helpfully,
    
    Andy
    
    p.s. Do not confuse Ray Clemence, that icon of goalkeeping history, with
    Ray Clements, the Fruit and Veg. merchant on Blackburn market - it was
    a tenuous link that I found great difficulty in allowing. :-)
     
202.361These results are unacceptable WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Apr 26 1994 13:0321
    It appears that some of Ipswich's rivals in the relegation battle have
    objected to Blackburn v Ipswich being played on the last Sunday.
    
    Its the nobody should have the advantage of knowing what they have to do 
    argument.
    
    Maybe they should play all the matches on the Sunday ! ? ;-) 
    
    But, the telly boys are not really interested in relegation.
    
    But, it might not be an issue by next week.
    
    But, the police insist that a decision is made today.
    
    Oh bugger, who runs football anyway ? 
    
    Confused and p****d off,
    
    Blackburn
    
    
202.362yWOTVAX::NORTHSWed Apr 27 1994 19:1715
    Andy,
    
    Any news on the Ipswich game yet.  I heard yesterday that all the final
    games would now be played on Saturday - can't imagine SKY being to
    happy about this.
    
    Personally, I hope we do play on Saturday,  Sunday KO's at 4pm are the
    pits.
    
    Just imagine, Saturday afternoon celebating a wonderful season,
    whatever happens, and then straight to the pub to continue the
    celebrations.
    
    Stephen
    
202.363It Could be 2 drawsESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Wed Apr 27 1994 19:373
202.364Its a good job Fans aren't important :-(WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Apr 27 1994 19:479
    
    And that decision will probably be "oh, err, um, lets wait until next
    Tuesday".
    
    Who's running this bloody league ? 
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.365MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Wed Apr 27 1994 19:533
    Well its not the FA... thats for sure! :->
    
    Rick
202.366BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonWed Apr 27 1994 19:592
    
    Thankfully! 8-)
202.367HISTORY IS MADE !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Apr 28 1994 12:4821
    
    West Ham United  1
    Blackburn Rovers 2
    
    I'm smiling now.
    
    Blackburn Rovers have achieved what they set out to do this season, win 
    a place in Europe.
    
    Kenny had to rely on another injury hit squad (with Gallacher, Warhurst,
    Newell and Batty all unavailable) but the blues went out and did the
    business.  I saw the highlights on T.V. but I wouldn't mind reading a
    match report from an attendee.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    p.s. Leeds couldn't take anything from MANU so it looks like the long
    wind-up may be drawing to a close but what the hell, its still not over 
    yet !                         
202.368Shearer Class42208::ANDERSONAway Strip By ArmaniThu Apr 28 1994 12:5510
    Andy,
    
    I'll try and find time later to put in a full report, though today's a
    busy one.
    
    In brief, West Ham had most of the possession, Blackburn the chances.
    
    Shame about the score from Elland Road.
    
    Rob
202.369Back to WembleyWOTVAX::NORTHSFri Apr 29 1994 15:1110
    
    
    If Utd win both the league and FA Cup who do they play in the charity
    shield in August.
    
    Is it the premiership runners-up or the losing FA cup finalist (Rovers
    or Chelsea).
    
    regards
    Stephen
202.370Business as usual :-)WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Apr 29 1994 15:152
    
    United are perfectly capable of playing with themselves !
202.371The Ramblings Of A Sad Old SalesmanPANIC::ANDERSONFrom Rochdale to Ocho Rios (via E13)Fri Apr 29 1994 16:18102
    
    West Ham 1 - Blackburn 2
    
    <Insert Gary Waite-type waffle about pre-match food & drink>
    
    Arrived in my seat in row Y of the new Bobby More (sic*) stand in
    perfect time - 2 mins before kick-off - along with my four comrades: A
    West Ham fan, A Man. Utd fan (amazingly born within 15 miles of Old
    Trafford), A West Ham/Man.Utd/Gillingham fan (sad case), and a lapsed
    Spurs fan. I was already outnumbered in my [silent] support for Rovers,
    but was at least at the right end of the ground. Couldn't see into the
    lower tier to guestimate the scale of travelling support, but the home
    faithful were not impressed, viz. "Buy some supporters, you need to buy
    some supporters..." and "Come in a taxi, you must've come in a
    taxi....". Nothing like a bit of East-End wit, eh?
    
    Now onto the game; couldn't find the opera glasses and the old eyesight
    is beginning to fail in my old age, but at least the view is
    uninterrupted by roof supports (West stand) or fencing (old South
    Bank). In fact it is quite an impressive stand, though I would question
    how long it takes to empty the upper tier in an emergency; the exits
    seem remarkably narrow.
    
    A fairly uneventful opening few minutes until a swift move down the
    left, a curling cross, and a fine glancing header 1-0 to Rovers. Who
    was it - Shearer?, Ripley?, Hendry ?, No Henning Berg !! Damn, why had
    nobody told me he was 66-1 to score the first goal? I always did like a
    bet on the outsider.
    
    After that, Blackburn relaxed, and both teams played an attractive passing
    game in the middle of the park. Typical West Ham, pretty, pretty until
    they get within sight of goal then "Oh God, what do we do now?".
    However, 17 minutes gone and a run into the box by the Hammers, Hendry
    tumbles over, ball strikes arm, Home Crowd roar, the referee is
    somewhat unimpressed though, and three minutes later shows that he is
    also unimpressive when a scramble in the Blackburn area results in Berg
    or May I think passing back to Flowers. Play-on says the man in Black
    (Oops, sorry, Green).
    
    The rest of the half reverts to the familiar pattern, football that is
    pleasing on the eye, without any serious threat to either goal, and no
    one individual catching the eye.
    
    Into the second half, and hearing on the radio that Kan the Man has
    scored for the Munichs my enthusiasm and expectation of seeing
    Blackburn overhaul United begins to wane. However, the game comes back
    to life when Martin Allen's free-kick takes a wicked deflection off the
    wall to scream past Flowers. (In fact at the time, I couldn't detect a
    change in the flight of the shot and I was mystified how the ball had
    gone straight in with that pretender to the England No. 1 shirt doing a
    fine impression of a Chinese Terracotta Warrior.)
    
    Blackburn woke up again, and immediately a penetrative run resulted in
    Atkins firing against the post, with Wilcox forcing Ludo into a good
    save from the ensuing corner.
    
    Another fine save from the [strangely unflapping] Czech denied
    Blackburn again before Shearer's one piece of magic turned the game.
    Collecting a clearance 15 yards inside his own half, Big Al controlled
    the ball and turned in one movement before laying off a fine 40 yard
    ball into the path of Pearce who placed the ball wide of Miklosko to
    restore the lead.
    
    And that, as they say, was that, save for the referee raising the hopes
    of the Upton Park faithful when he appeared to be pointing to the
    penalty spot after a clumsy challenge by Hendry. Apparently, it was a
    signal for "play-on" however.
    
    A reasonable entertaining game, with of course the right result; it's
    just a shame that the Elland Road match didn't finish with the right
    outcome.
    
    Overall, Blackburn seemed to be happy to do just enough to win. No-one
    shone particularly, and they conceded a lot of midfield possession.
    Perhaps they were just missing Batty's combativeness? The one person I
    would single out is Hendry; I had somehow got the impression that he
    was a cultured and solid cetre-half. On the evidence of this, he is a
    donkey who just hoofs it as far as he can (including over the not
    insubstantial East stand).
    
    I'm afraid to say it is over now. But well done on getting into Europe.
    
    Rob
    
    P.S. All cliches with kind permission of Mr. B. Long.
    
    P.P.S. I'm very concerned that I'm getting a bit too mellow in my old
    age. I've just remembered that I promised myself I'd never shout for
    Blackburn after Stuart Metcalf had got Brian Stubbs sent off during my
    only visit to Ewood Park some twenty one years and one month ago, denting
    The 'Pies promotion hopes. We got our own back though, finishing two points
    ahead of Rovers and Runners-Up to Bolton, to head back to Division two
    and the glory days.
    
    Footnote.
    
    * In advertising the opening of the Bobby Moore stand earlier in the
    season, the West Ham programme twice referred to their erstwhile legend
    as Bobby More. Isn't that sacrilege or something ? Or perhaps just an
    indication of the saddening decline of education standards under this
    oppressive Tory regime?
                      
202.372Its the dogs !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Apr 29 1994 16:5220
    Dear sad old Salesman,
    
    thanks for the report. Its fair to say the blues haven't actually
    played well since they beat MANU and Everton at Easter. 
                                                     
    If it makes you feel any better I can give you an update on Stuart 
    Metcalf:
    
    SM lives about half a mile from me and now spends his time breeding
    Afghan hounds for showing. Not long ago said hounds jumped the fence
    and went to frolic with neighbouring sheep. Neighbouring farmer, not at
    all impressed, takes up 12-bore and dispatches about 3 hounds before Mrs
    Metcalf intervenes to take issue with agricultural gent. 
    
    So, if you want a real Afghan coat, (a fab item in Stuarts playing days!),
    you know who to ring :-)  
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.373BaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Fri Apr 29 1994 17:596
202.374United do it at last !!!PAKORA::GCULLIONTue May 03 1994 02:078
    
    Tonight's result
    
            Coventry City 2 - 1 Blackburn Rovers
    
         Man.Utd do it again.
    
    
202.375BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonTue May 03 1994 11:4812
    
    
    
    
    
    				Its all over now!
    
    
    
    8-|
    
    JBG
202.376Traitors in your midst!BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonTue May 03 1994 12:2113
    
    Andy,
    
    	I've got some very bad news for you............
    
    	Jerry turned up just now smiling from ear to ear and shouting
    "Champions". When I pointed out that HIS team lost last night he
    claimed that he had from the beginning been a United supporter. I
    can't believe that he's defected but ots true,...he's taken his Alan
    Shearer foto down and replaced it with one of some French guy in red &
    black. What a turncoat.  8-)
    
    JBG
202.377I'm no traitor, I just adjust my loyalties to suit occasions !BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Tue May 03 1994 12:5314
    Jon,
    
    As you well know I only took down my Alan Shearer photo cos it was worn
    out. Six months of throwing darts at it seems to have caused it to fade
    somewhat ;-)
    
    Andy,
    
    I'm sorry to say that I was smiling, although I would never be so crude
    as to shout "Champions" in the office. Besides, the 6x4 banner said it
    all ;-)  Let's get out there and clean up in Europe next year !!!
    
    Jerry.
    
202.378A. Shearer voted Player of the Year!WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue May 03 1994 12:5535
    JBG,                                      
    
    re: .375, I wish I'd said that ! To have the final note taken from me
    at the end of the season, I'm gutted ;-(
    
    re: .376 Don't be surprised that Jerry has dragged his United shirt 
    out of the cupboard again, his loyalties have always been somewhat suspect.
    
    Coventry 2
    Blackburn 1
    
    A Blackburn side, weakened by injuries to 5 players, went out and tried
    but always looked second best to a Coventry team who put up one of
    their more spirited performances of the season.
    
    Tactically shot to hell there was no flowing football, no dominance in
    midfield, no attacking down the wings. The boys gave everything but
    without Newell and Batty in particular, both of whom can hold the ball
    and make the play, too much was expected of Sherwood who was not
    adequately supported by Atkins and Wright.
    
    Both goals from Coventry have to go down to shaky defending and even 
    Graham Le Saux's 30 yd equaliser should have been saved by big Oggy who
    had a good game for the rest of the night.
    
    So the season almost over and the championship race ends with a bit of an
    anti-climax, congratulations to Man Utd, and bollocks to the rest of
    the Premiership (Newcastle excepted), who give up too easy ! 
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    p.s. The Blackburn Fans couldn't have done more than they did last
    night, I suspect it'll be a well-deserved party at Ewood at the weekend.
202.379BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonTue May 03 1994 12:5711
    
    Re.  -< I'm no traitor, I just adjust my loyalties to suit occasions ! >-
    
    Typical Irish eh Andy?? 8-)
                             ^
    JBG                      |
                             |
    Look guys, see, I was only joking
    
    8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
    
202.380Cue racial hatred........................BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Tue May 03 1994 13:1527
    You Welsh people are all the same. You just hate everyone else, and set
    out to make life miserable for anyone unfortunate enough to visit your
    little suburb of England.
    
    I once spent twenty minutes in Wales, during which time I was mugged,
    six times, beaten up twice, my car was stolen and burnt out, and then
    someone stole the wreck so that I couldn't prove it had been stolen, on
    the way to the police station I was bitten by three rabid dogs, and
    when I reached the Police station they arrested me for Disorderly
    behaviour saying that I had provoked the dogs by not having a Welsh
    accent when I said "Nice Doggies". When I told them about my car being
    stolen, they asked me for the papers, I said they were in the car, and
    they said "Likely story, you probably nicked it" and charged me with
    car-theft as well. I finally convinced them that it was my car, and
    started to list the contents for their report. They then charged me
    with Smuggling because I had two litres of Jameson and 300 cigarettes
    from the Duty Free. The only thing that got me out of there alive was
    the fact that I had a picture of Mark Hughes in my wallet and convinced
    them that he was my twin brother. Just as well all Welsh people are
    stupid, eh ?
    
    I'll never forget it, it was the worst twenty minutes of my life !
    
    Jerry.
    
    
    ;;;;;;;;;------------))))))))))))))^(((((((((((((--------------;;;;;;;;;;;
202.381BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonTue May 03 1994 13:2610
    
    Jerry,
    
    	experiences like your's are not uncommon. I seem to remeber
    that another of our fellow noters was given similar treatment . I do find
    it hard to believe, however, that you make no mention of being beaten
    unconcious by the policeman or of being molested by a flock of sheep.
    8-)
    
    JBG
202.382No, but I did see an English guy get beaten up in a Chip shop !BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Tue May 03 1994 13:4516
    Jon,
    
    I was spared the police battery and being molested by the sheep, simply
    because most of the police officers were already "entertaining" the
    sheep. The police officer who was dealing with me, didn't really
    have the heart to beat me up, cos his shift was due to finish soon, so
    he was saving himself for the sheep ;;-))
    
    Jerry.
    
    P.S. Mr Livingstone, please note the Smileys. This is light-hearted
    banter between friends. 
    
    Well, colleagues any road.
    
    Well, OK then, we sit near each other !;-)
202.383More Banter, but inc. ref. to Blackburn !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue May 03 1994 16:0736
Jerry,

	well I can't be in any doubt now can I. 

	BOLGER MUST BE A UNITED FAN. 

	Talk about "sing when you're winning", last night we gave you the
	championship and this morning you are all over this notes file like 
	a bad rash (equally red and unpleasant). What are you playing at man, 
	upsetting johnny foriegner, irrelevant noting all over the place, 
	insulting your workmates ! I've not seen such a display of mental 
	instability since the last time a large scandanavian goalkeeper (Mr.
	foot-up (sp.?) himself) berated his defence for their part in 
	persuading him to sign a Gloves deal with Teflon. 

	You seem determined to behave with all the diginity (a euphamism 
	for arrogance, as the A-word is reserved for Peter Hayden) and 
	ill-discipline that MANU have displayed all season :-)

	It hurts me to say it but when Liverpool were winning all and sundry 
	I admired the fact that they behaved as gentlemen, I expect 
	Blackburn to do the same as we trounce United repeatedly 
	throughout the next decade ! 

	Your Blackburn Supporters Club Membership is hereby cancelled, I 
	expect you to return the complimentary Alan Shearer poster, and the
	Tim Sherwood jockstrap (XS-size) you ordered, immediately.

	Yours in Sport,

Andy ;-)

p.s. Is there any chance that I will be travelling anywhere near your part 
of the world on the UEFA cup trail next season, I need to verify my image 
of you and JBG. Currently I picture you as "Beavis and Butt-head" but only 
because all MANU fans look alike !
202.384BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonTue May 03 1994 16:4017
    	Andy, you've got me completely wrong boy. I'm no MU fan. Look in
    note 40 and you'll see where my loyalties lie. Its true that I've also
    been seen in 32 complimenting Man U but I also have appearences in 52
    and 202, not to mention some recent entries in 44, and of course 77, my
    home team. I like good open hard but clean football & as MU have
    provided the most of that this year, I think they deservedly won the
    championship. It's great, however, that Blackburn are in Europe next
    year. All I'd like now is to see Arsenal win tomorrow and then have
    UEFA award us with an extra place in Europe to give us Villa, Blackburn
    and Newcastle in the UEFA Cup.
    
    	If any games do bring you to Switzerland, maybe Jerry & I could get
    along (this would probably depend on how much Boddington's you promised
    to bring 8-).
    
    JBG
202.385Guilt by association !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue May 03 1994 16:5211
    
    JBG,
    
    sorry about that, there I go jumping to conclusions, just because you
    live thousands of miles away and associate with JB I put two and two
    together and gave United the benefit of the doubt - maybe I should be a
    ref ;-).
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.386BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonTue May 03 1994 17:0110
    
    Andy,
    	I have to make this reply in case of any future litigations.....
    
    I, Jon B Goode, am not, and never have been an associate of Mr Jerry
    Bolger.
    
    JBG
    
    Note, no smileys!
202.387Exhibit(ionists) A - M'ludWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue May 03 1994 17:2410
    JBG,
    
    If thats true then who are the John and Jerry playing with each
    other in note 368. 
    
    Looks like Association Football to me,
    
    regards,
    
    Sherlock
202.388Who the hell is Jon B. Goode ??? ;-)BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Tue May 03 1994 17:2517
    Thank you Jon,
    
    I'm very glad that you clarified that point and saved me the bother.
    
    Andy,
    
    I don't drink Boddington's but I like the advert. If you bring me one
    of those "By 'eck you smell good tonight" T-shirts, I won't tell Jon
    when you're coming. If you tell him when you'll be here, he'll just
    arrange to be doing some heavy work on the cellar, and expect you to
    help out !!!  Don't say I didn't warn you !!!
    
    
    Jerry.
    
    
    P.S. I was going to return the Jock-Strap anyway - It was too big !
202.389Are there any Swiss football teams ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue May 03 1994 17:3411
    Jerry,
    
    Tim will be pleased, he looked woefully short of support in the
    middle last night. 
    
    Thanks for the warning about the cellar but ... what the hell are you
    talking about ?
    
    cheers,
    
    Andy
202.390How are you at assembling Pool Tables, Andy ?BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Tue May 03 1994 17:5823
    Andy,
    
    Forget I mentioned the cellar, just bring some old clothes if you come
    to visit. You can wrap the Guinness in the old clothes when you smuggle
    it in !
    
    Re: "Are there any Swiss Football Teams ?"
    
    Haven't you been paying attention to our note detailing our Thursday
    lunchtime exploits ? ;-)
    
    OK seriously, Celtic played Bern Young Boys this season in European
    competition. (No Mr. Livingstone, I'm not implying any paedophilic
    impropriety (sp? sp?) on Celtic's part.)  In fact, Bern was awash with
    Celtic supporters who were, for the most part, a lot of fun.  The day
    after, I asked my (Swiss) landlord where his lovely Heineken Clock was.
    He answered "Scotland". He was still quite happy though, since your
    average Scotsman drinks about as much in one night as your average
    Swiss person drinks in three months !!!
    
    So who knows .....
    
    Jerry.
202.391Italy now buying the best of British !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu May 05 1994 18:0512
202.392No, I can't convert that to pound sterling...PAVONE::TURNERThu May 05 1994 18:1212
202.393LoadsamoneyUNTADE::PCASYorkieThu May 05 1994 18:265
202.394SIOG::ESBECKDec Van EsbeckThu May 05 1994 18:304
202.395A post season party in Dublin !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu May 05 1994 20:0417
                           
    Blackburn are sending 6 or 7 of the first team to Dublin, I think next
    Wednesday, to play in some kind of a testimonial for Kevin Moran. 
    
    I'll look for more details if anybody over there is interested ?
    
    It looks like he is going to get another free transfer this
    summer, thanks Kev you've done a good job for us these last few years.
     
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    p.s. Given that he's 38 I suppose retiring after the World Cup would 
    be a pretty classy thing to do, maybe Ronnie Whelan and TGA might 
    be thinking something similar !  
    
202.396SIOG::ESBECKDec Van EsbeckThu May 05 1994 20:085
    I have a ticket for the game....an Ireland XI will play an English
    League XI which includes Shearer, Strachan, Cole, Beardsley, and
    Flowers. Sounds good to me...
    
    Declan
202.397A pint of Guinness stands longer than McGrath !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu May 05 1994 20:3613
    
    Is it the Ireland XI (world cup probables) or an Ireland XI (Cunno's
    has-been heroes) ?.
    
    Is it fair to have Peter Beardsley providing the service for Shearer 
    and Cole against Moran and McGrath,  I suspect there might just be 
    some weary old irish legs after 90 minutes !
    
    Have fun Declan, let us know the gory details.
    
    Cheers,
                    
    Andy
202.398Kevin Moran TestamonialEASE::SMYTHThu May 05 1994 20:4620
It is an Ireland XI with Jack Charlton the manager.

The English league XI to be managed by Kenny Daglish

El Tel is coming over to view the partnership of Cole and Shearer.

Match date Wednesday 15th of May.

Ireland then have a further three warm up games before the world cup against 

West Germany(a), Bolivia(h) and the Czech Republic(h). 

Hopefully Ronnie Whelan won't be playing (as he is past it) but Aldridge needs 

a few warm up games before the states.


Regards

G S from Dublin
202.399When do they play Germany?????KBOMFG::TANNERMidnight is where the day begins..Fri May 06 1994 17:086
  Has anyone out there any exact stats on the German game, like when and 
where????? I may even go to it..... or at least organise a session.... I believe
we have a very good record against Germany???? Cunno get your stats out!!!!

                                                                  -dave-
202.400They have never beaten us yet !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri May 06 1994 17:207
    
    re: .399
    
    Blackburn vs Germany ?
    
    This getting into Europe is going to be tougher than I thought ;-).
    
202.401BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonFri May 06 1994 17:207
    
    Andy,
    
    	why didn't you tell us that Blackburn have lined up a friendly
    against the World Champions Germany??? 8-)
    
    JBG
202.402BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonFri May 06 1994 17:342
    
    Collision!!!!
202.403Germany, good cup side, did nowt in league !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri May 06 1994 17:369
    JBG,
    
    I've been working with Uncle Jack on arranging this summers pre-season
    game against Switzerland ! UEFA took us completely by surprise by
    making this announcement.
            
    Cheers,
    
    Andy ;-) 
202.404BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonFri May 06 1994 17:396
    
    Blast....
    
    how'm I gonna get help with my cellar???? 8-)
    
    JBG
202.405Its easy knowin its friday!!!!!KBOMFG::TANNERMidnight is where the day begins..Fri May 06 1994 18:0512
 Re Last... Iam sure Kenny wouldn't mind, and there was I thin kin I was in the
friendly topic... well at least the answers were friendly... So does anyone out
yonder have any info regarding the Eire....German ... friendly?????

                                                     have a good weekend....

P.s Jerry, JBG, is Toni Roam-an-ger a bike hero down in the Swiss, something
    like Kelly or Roche in Ireland???? Iam a bikin fan as well........


                                                                 -dave-
202.406Bye Bye Ipswich ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri May 06 1994 18:0527
                                                 
    Last game of the season tomorrow and it'll be nice to be there on a
    Saturday afternoon again now theres no SKY interest. 
    
    It will be interesting to see who Kenny plays with so many injury
    doubts but Newell has just had a minor knee op so he'll not be back. 
    Personally I'd still like to see Lee Makel get another chance.
    
    Hummm, Ipswich, we certainly don't owe them any favours but they might
    just be a bit hungrier than us. I would also expect them to bring a few
    supporters for potentially their last game in the Premiership so there
    could still be a real buzz in the ground even though we don't have the
    same interest in the result.
    
    Personally I would be happy to let Ipswich win if I could be certain
    that Sheffield United would go down but I suspect that Oldham and
    Everton (can't remember them ever being out of the top flight) are
    doomed.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    p.s. JBG,
    
    you do seem preoccupied with this cellar of yours, are you perhaps 
    related to Fred West the Gloucester builder ?
202.407A polite no-added-value note !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri May 06 1994 18:1612
    Dave,
    
    sorry, I'm not ignoring you on purpose, and this usually is a very
    friendly note, but I know nothing about any Ireland Germany game ! 
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    p.s. All I know about cycling is that the Tour went past my sisters 
    place in France last year :-) 
    
202.408Well, he does keep his wife in the cellar all day !!!BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Fri May 06 1994 19:3611
    Andy,
    
    Fred West would never have gotten away with it here in Switzerland.
    Before you can do any building or digging you need to get permission
    from the local Planning Commission. I'm not sure that they would grant
    permission to extend the cellar in order to accomodate more bodies.
    
    Having said that, I'll keep an eye out for fresh earth next time I'm
    over at Jon's ;-)
    
    Jerry.
202.409BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Fri May 06 1994 19:4314
    Dave,
    
    I'm also not ignoring you. I heard some mention of the Ireland - 
    Germany game, but I don't remember any details. Perhaps Mr. Hayden or
    some of our other noters based in Ireland could shed some light ?
    
    Re: Toni Romminger (Sp?), I remember seeing his photo splashed across
    some of the Swiss papers when he won something or other last year. I
    can't really say if he has reached hero status, but it would take a lot
    to achieve the kind of hero-status that Sean Kelly or Stephen Roche
    have in Ireland. They even renamed the town square in Carrick-On-Suir 
    to honour Sean Kelly !!!
    
    Jerry.
202.410BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonFri May 06 1994 19:4910
    
    ......as you well know Jerry, there are no bodies in my cellar....loads
    of heads though.....if you count those in my "draught" beer collection!
    I did a quick stock-take last night and it appears that I have 24 small
    cans of Genius + a full pack of 8 large cans! If you're really nice to
    me I'm sure we could come to some arrangement. The pack of large cans
    is the last of those that I bought on the ferry coming back last
    summer. I got a few wierd looks stumbling back to my car with 4 of
    those packs! Still, it was worth it!
     
202.411BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Fri May 06 1994 20:049
202.412BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonFri May 06 1994 20:247
    
    Jerry,
    
    	keep it up and there's a good chance the cans will be empty by the
    time you get to see them!
    
    JBG
202.413hands across the sea____////_/_/_/_/IRNBRU::HOWARDZulu's....fousands of `emFri May 06 1994 20:3010
>>>>So does anyone out yonder have any info regarding the Eire....German ... 
>>>>friendly?????
    
    Dave, don't quote me on this but I heard a date of 20 May
    mentioned....Germany will be the home team....
    
    Sorry, Andy....this has nothing to do with Blackburn....I'll sneak back
    to my foxhole in note 58....
    
    Ray....
202.414It'll be extra time if i'm lucky !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri May 06 1994 21:4616
    Ray,                                              
    
    no apology needed, I can't complain because I encouraged that Germany 
    nonsense. 
    
    I suppose I only let Jon and Jerry ramble on because I wouldn't ever
    stop anybody talking about "beer", a subject I take as seriously as 
    the Rovers.
    
    And now its time for my Friday Night Big Match Live -
    
    Boddingtons of Manchester vs Thwaites of Blackburn
    
    CHEERS !,
    
    Andy
202.415Do they sell steak puddings in Milan ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon May 09 1994 12:5224
    Blackburn 0
    Ipswich   0
    
    I had more fun watching the 1500 Ipswich fans going through emotional 
    torment as latest scores came through than I did watching the on field
    events. A few chances at each end but basically yet another weakened 
    Blackburn side were slightly better than an Ipswich side fighting for 
    survival. 
    
    Painfully crap referee who seemed determined to ignore every late high
    tackle that Ipswich could muster, the only booking of the day going to
    Graeme Le Saux for imploring the man in black to "get a ****ing grip !".
    
    Referees day summed up when a blatant penalty handball,(verified by a
    post match confession by the defender concerned), was seen by 
    everyone but four people in the ground (3 officials and my old dad). 
    
    David Batty rightfully presented as Blackburn Player of the Year by
    Jack Walker who proved himself the master of understatement in
    proclaiming that he "had done his bit !". 
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.416In Hanover is der game.......KBOMFG::TANNERMidnight is where the day begins..Mon May 09 1994 15:0713
  Opps... Andy and the lads in die Suisse I now know the game is been played in
Hanover...... No date as of yet the 20th is a friday which means I'll have to
drink even more beer on that night.... Ah well Iam sure I'll survive especially
after we beat die Deutschen and become overnight favourites to take that golden
cup over in Yankee land....


                             sorry again for poking my head in here......

                                                              -dave-

P.s andy congrats to your boys and I hope they go well in Europe....
202.417WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringMon May 09 1994 16:127
    Why are Blackburn interested in Ferdinand? I can't see Shearer and
    Ferdinand working well together...and with Gallacher, Newell and
    Warhurst, Blackburn seem over qualified upfront.  Smacks of the old
    Liverpool tradition of buying everyone in sight.
    
    And if the reported fee is 4.75m then Kenny is again guilty of
    inflating transfer fees to ridiculous levels.
202.418PEKING::COSSEYNMon May 09 1994 16:554
    
    Maybe Shearer is on his way to Sampdoria.....
    
    Neil....
202.419Shearer + Ferdinand > Any two defenders !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon May 09 1994 17:0120
    Simon,
    
    good to see you back noting, I trust your absence was down to spending 
    a long time on the toilet while Rovers were catching MANU. :-) Only joking
    pal, please don't take offence.
    
    Re: Ferdinand, I'm having this discussion with Ray in the QPR note 58. but
    you should ask Kenny or Trevor Francis what its like to have injury
    problems. 4 strikers is not really a luxury, 2 on the pitch, 1 on the 
    bench and only 1 injured would have been a real luxury for us this year.
    
    As United have Hughes, Cantona, McClair and Dublin you'll not be
    interested in another forward then ?
    
    And as for inflating the market, that just smacks of sour grapes because
    United don't control things any longer. 
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy :-)
202.420CODIN::PHAYDENMon May 09 1994 17:3312
202.421EUROVERS - Get your England shirts here !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon May 09 1994 17:5412
    Shearer is 23 and will be at Rovers next season.
    
    Maybe Ferdinand knows that Venables England European Championship team is
    gathering at Ewood !
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    p.s. Sutton and Chase must be laughing about the kind of money that
    will be coming their way, United shareholders are already scrambling
    for the Andrex ! 
202.422Another strange co-incidenceWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue May 10 1994 20:1015
202.423ban 'em for lifeFORTY2::FOWLERMDoncaster Rovers NilTue May 10 1994 20:244
Congratulations to Blackburn. I take back every disparaging comment I have ever
made about King Kenny and his blue-and-white folk heroes. 8-)

Mike
202.424Buy Buy Buy...XSTACY::PHAYDENTue May 10 1994 20:3419
I have a cunning plan M'lord.

We buy all the strikers in England and then there'll be nobody left to score
against us. We'll win the league and then all we'll have to do is buy all of the
strikers in Europe and world domination will soon be ours...

Yes Kenny, Now back into that nice huggie jacket like a good lad. 

It'll never work anyway, Cos as we all know ,all the United players can score !!!

Regards,

Peter.

P.S 

Good to see that some clubs are seriously trying to take the racism out of
football.
Make him go on a tour of South Africa with the Rugby team is what I say.
202.425IRNBRU::HOWARDNYC,June 18 - ITA 0 - 2 RoITue May 10 1994 20:354
    hear hear, congrats to Blackburn for this action. Did the media report
    this nationally? I think it should be reported far and wide....
    
    Ray....
202.426Another step in the right direction !BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Tue May 10 1994 20:3813
    Indeed, credit where credit is due. There's no place for racism in
    sport.
    
    Of course, the next logical step is for the rest of the Premiership
    clubs to follow this example by banning all Blackburn supporters for
    life. This should cut down on some of the ugly chants from Kenny's
    Barmy Army (e.g. "Come on ye boys in Blue"). 
    
    ;-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
    
    
    Jerry.
    
202.427MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Tue May 10 1994 20:428
    >>We buy all the strikers in England and then there'll be nobody left to
    >>score against us.
    
    
    	Can you buy Brian Deane from us please.....PLEASE!!! :->
    
    
    	Rick.
202.428Stick to Blackpool BeachWOTVAX::NORTHSTue May 10 1994 21:2110
    
    RE. 427
    
    I think you must had mis-understand.
    
    We are only interested in strikers, not Donkeys.
    
    Regards
    Stephen
    
202.429They're Barmy, but not that Barmy :-)XSTACY::PHAYDENTue May 10 1994 22:380
202.430MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Tue May 10 1994 22:574
    Come on... we gave you David Batty.. at least you can do us a favour in
    return! :->
    
    Rick
202.431BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonWed May 11 1994 11:408
    
    	I have a cunninger (had to be careful there...) plan! Why not
    simply buy all the goal keepers. They generally cost lest, and there
    are considerably less of them. Then you'll not only win, you'll win by
    scoring lots of goals against teams wondering why their goalie hasn't
    turned up......to it'll be more entertaining! 8-)
    
    JBG
202.432Flapper's for saleUPROAR::LEMPLive slow, die youngWed May 11 1994 12:018
    >	I have a cunninger (had to be careful there...) plan! Why not
    >simply buy all the goal keepers. They generally cost lest, and there
    
    Chris Woods is up for grabs (which is more than he ever did at any
    corner or cross). To Blackburn a knock-down price of 2m.
    
    Paul
    
202.433MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Wed May 11 1994 12:034
    What about John Lukic... you'll definately get knocked out of Europe
    with him in ya team! :->
    
    Rick
202.434FORTY2::ABRAHAMSWed May 11 1994 17:242
why not buy all the referees. much cheaper, and proven to work.
202.435Manu have already done itUPROAR::LEMPLive slow, die youngThu May 12 1994 12:175
    That would certainly confuse the poor buggers when it came to Blackburn
    v Manu (see note 32.4079 for details).
    
    Paul.
     
202.436TRUCKS::SANTnetwork partner exitedThu May 12 1994 13:548
    
    	ooooooohh Paul.....
    
    	you're soooooo bitter! Try to relax a little more.
    
    	now repeat after me: "Alex Ferguson is really a very very nice man"
    
    	Andy 8-)
202.437End of Season ReportWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri May 13 1994 16:2762
Last season was Blackburns first back in the top flight after 30 years 
in the wilderness, we changed from 4-3-3 to playing 2 strikers and 2 wingers, 
took a lot of teams by surprise and finished a creditable fourth. 

This season I expected a top 10 finish and a consolidating season waiting 
for the right players to turn up for a challenge in 94-95. 

As it happened, two of the right players turned up early on and Rovers chased
MANU to the last week of the season. Blackburn finished a creditable second 
with a record that would have taken the title in many previous seasons and 
rightly deserved the place in next year's UEFA Cup. 

There have been many good performances over the season with the home 
games against Norwich, Leeds and MANU being the truly memorable ones. 

But the greatest part of all is the potential and the confidence that 
now exists at the club. This is best illustrated by the way in which 
our existing players have developed and the speed with which 
new signings have slotted in and are all playing as well, if not better, than 
ever.

By players developing I mean the England acknowledgement, in whatever form, for 
Le Saux, Wilcox & Sherwood and the improvement of young David May. Colin 
Hendry establishing himself as Scotlands 1st choice centre half and Kevin 
Gallachers international recognition. Henning Berg, after a slow start, has 
become one of the best right backs in the League. 

Even young players like Andy Morrison and Ian Pearce who have had to step in to 
the first team in some crucial games have immediately played with confidence.

By new signings I mean David Batty, Blackburns Player of the Year, the 
over-priced thug from Leeds who most observers now acknowledged as a great 
midfield player and Tim Flowers, whoose presence alone has had a noticable 
effect on the confidence of the defence. Paul Warhurst again blighted by injury 
has yet to be judged.

I suppose I have to mention Shearer because he's had another exceptional 
season after returning from serious injury. His goal tally at Blackburn is 
now 53 goals in 64 games and this has been during a season of frequently 
changing, if any, striking partners. Note that his record at Southampton 
was I think only 24 in over 100 games !

There have been problems this season, mainly around injuries, which shows 
the squad still needs strenghtening but, really things are looking good:

The foundations of an excellent team have been laid around young
english talent, the disciplinary record is excellent and there appears 
to be stability and continuity off the field. There's cash in the bank 
when necessary, a 30,000+ seater stadium will be ready for next season, 
and all the signs are that the public will fill it regularly.

So plenty of material there for our humourous noters to take the piss, 
but I for one am smiling because I believe Jack Walker and Blackburn have 
given many people in English football a much needed kick up the arse and I've
     enjoyed watching it.

Is this is the beginning, or the end, of the story !

Cheers,

Andy :-)
    
202.438UPROAR::LEMPLive slow, die youngFri May 13 1994 16:435
    Andy,
    
    Warhurst injured again! What is it this time?
    
    Paul.
202.439value of money??WOTVAX::NORTHSFri May 13 1994 17:3020
    
    Now that the season is over and we all have to go back to shopping on
    Saturdays, I for one am awaiting my season ticket renewal from the
    Rovers.
    
    I thought it may be interesting to compare season ticket prices throughout the
    premiership to see who is or isn't getting a good deal.
    
    
    My seat is in the top tier of a brand new stand which is behind the
    goal, and last year my ticket cost 180.00.  Although the prices are not
    yet out I am expecting next season's ticket to increase to around
    200.00.
    
    I heard of a season ticket at Old Trafford costing +300.00 next seson,
    which seems a hell of a difference.
    
    
    
    Stephen 
202.440G187 - My little piece of Blue PlasticWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri May 13 1994 17:4519
202.441ADDULT::ROBERTSONFri May 13 1994 19:2911
Andy,
	I know it brings back bad memories but......

	Could you tell me who scored the Coventry goals in that fated match last
week.

	I'm getting stick in the fantasy football conference

Thanks

Al
202.442back to where we belongWOTVAX::NORTHSFri May 13 1994 19:3927
                               
    Andy,
    
    I also hope that we will be returning  to our beloved Blackburn End for
    next season, but as per usual the club is not prepared to say when this
    will happen.
    
    What I suspect will happen, is that we will rebuy our seats in the
    Darwen End, but will then at some point in the season move to the
    identicate seat in the Blackburn End.  I believe that although the
    contractors are ahead of schedule with the Jack Walker stand,  the
    Rovers will not sell tickets until they are certain it will be ready
    for the start of next season.
    
    I must admit, I have become quite fond of my current seat, especially
    sitting next to the visitors and being able to have friendly(???) chats
    over the fence.
    
    Roll on August.
    
    
    Stephen
    
    
    
     
     
202.443ChampionsESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Fri May 13 1994 19:414
202.444ADDULT::ROBERTSONFri May 13 1994 19:597
Dammit,

Thanks Brian

I knew that!!! I got that game confused with the Chelsea game

Al
202.445PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCMon May 16 1994 19:3417
202.446XSTACY::PHAYDENMon May 16 1994 19:425
Nice one Dave. How come *I* never thought of all that. 

Well c'mon Andy et al. A retort please :-)

Peter.
202.447No worries here !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon May 16 1994 20:3133
    Dave, Peter,
        
    Lets start by saying I am not interested in what Kenny did or didn't 
    do at Liverpool. So to the facts:
    
    Kenny has been at Blackburn less than three seasons.
    
    In his first year he took a team from the middle of Div 2, significantly
    rebuilt it and won promotion. Successful ? Yes, I think so. There are teams
    such as Derby still down there who have spent more than Kenny did that 
    year.
    
    In his second year, he continued to rebuild the team and
    finished 4 in the league, only missing Europe on goal difference.
    Successful ?, yes again, thats not bad for a first season back in the top
    flight.
    
    This year he finished justifiably second in a Premiership that
    contained an exceptional MANU team and qualified for Europe.
    Successful ?, yes again, only MANU and possibly now Arsenal could claim a 
    better season.
    
    If you look at my end of season report note you will see that the managers 
    record is one of buying players who have been successful with the 
    club and that the club is well set for the future.
    
    The club has come a long way in a short time, Kenny has never been the
    subject of criticism from the terraces and the story is one of 
    continuous improvement. Long may it continue because I call this success. 
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.448Second is nowhere.YUPPY::MCCABEMikeMon May 16 1994 21:3537
    Re: .447
    
    ...but you didn't answer the question in .445
    
    	"...can I ask if Mr Happy might come under some pressure if
    Blackburn don't win something next year."
    
    Personally, I reckon the answer is yes.  So far "Kenny", with the aid
    of Jack Walker's millions, has done a good job at Blackburn.  In
    particular he's brought some good players to the club.  He did the same
    in his early days as manager of Liverpool, with Barnes and Beardsley. 
    But, then again there's been a lot of managers who have achieved
    similar, over a three year period, with a lot less cash, such as; 
    Alf Ramsey, Graham Taylor, Jack Charlton, Ron Atkinson.  And there's
    been a whole host of managers who have achieved a lot more, such as;
    Brian Clough, Don Revie, Bobby Robson, George Graham. 
                                        
    Next year, Blackburn will, apparently (not been), have a super stadium,
    the team will gain valuable experience in Europe and the club and
    supporters will be hoping to win something based on three solid years
    of achievement.  The scene for a winning scenario is about to be
    played.  Expectations have been set.  For how long will a UEFA Cup 
    place be seen as a successful season?  
    
    Also, the Press have given Blackburn a fairly easy ride so far, because
    they've been "up-and-coming".  However, next year more will be expected
    and the pressure will be on.  If things don't go right at the start of
    the season the Press boys will be looking for stories and scenting
    blood which will increase the pressures on manager, team, club and 
    supporters.  Will the manager, team, etc. be able to cope?  Maybe,
    maybe not.
    
    >> only MANU and possibly now Arsenal could claim a better season
    
    Er, make that "possibly" a definitely.
    
    Mike M  
202.449PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCTue May 17 1994 13:2017
    
    Andy...
    
    I have to agree with Mike here, you did'nt answer my question, you said
    Kenny has done well so far, What will happen if nothing happens next
    season, and as for the comment about "only MUFC and AFC can claim better 
    season's".......what about Villa, they won a pot and thus qualified for 
    Europe, in the same competition as Blackburn.
    
    KD is in a position most managers would die for, he can spend as
    much as he wants and bring the best players to the club, but Mr Walker
    will want some reward for all his expense, and that means trophies and
    sooner rather than later. 
    
    Dave...
    
     
202.450WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringTue May 17 1994 13:283
    In the 70's & 80's United got a regular place in Europe but were given,
    rightly so, a hard time for not winning much -- the odd FA Cup -- and
    in the end its silverware that counts.
202.451Second is in EuropeWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue May 17 1994 13:5528
    
    O.K. Mike, I was actually explaining why, in my opinion, Kenny is 
    perceived as being successful at Blackburn, as this was an area that 
    Dave appeared not to understand. 
    
    As far as 'might come under pressure if Blackburn don't win something next
    year' then the answer is so obviously YES that I didn't think needed
    to be stated. In the same way "Palace might win the League" and
    "Arsenal might do the treble", its possible but I wouldn't bet on it. 
    
    I cannot predict the future but if Blackburn show relegation form then
    he'll come under pressure, isn't that pretty much the norm at big clubs
    these days ? If Blackburn get to 3 cup finals and finish top six but
    don't actually win anything I doubt he'll be under pressure.
    
    Theres a lot of ifs and no crystal ball, what does "might come under
    pressure" actually mean, the sack ? or articles in the tabloids (in 
    which case he's been under pressure from day 1 at Blackburn). 
    
    So Kennys position is not so different to many premier league managers,
    its just that so far he's got it right (IMO of course).
    
    Hope that satisfies you, and as for your "Second is nowhere", I think
    you'll find its actually ABOVE EVERYBODY but MANU !
    
    Cheers,
                                                                          
    Andy
202.452PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCTue May 17 1994 14:2114
    
    Ok Andy...
    
    I'll change the question, as "might come under pressure" is abit hard
    to define, Is KD worthy of the tag 'one of the three best managers in 
    Britain', as he has been described in the papers and on SKY constantly.
    
    Is he up there with the likes of Fergusson and Graham, who undoubtably
    have proved themselves, and in GG's case without spending fortunes.
    
    My point is, I dont think KD has done anything YET to warrant such high
    praise. 
    
    Dave...
202.453Re note 405EASE::SMYTHTue May 17 1994 14:465
Match Germany v Rep Of Ireland is on on May 29th in Hanover



GS in Dublin.
202.454Ask me in 10 years timeWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue May 17 1994 15:1333
    Dave,
    
    I'm not sure we are going anywhere with this but....
    
    What do you measure a manager on ? If its trophys then you cannot judge
    while the games still on, "its not over yet" so to speak ;-)
    
    IMO to take a team quickly from nowhere to one of the best 3 teams in the
    country must count for something. Both the other scots you quoted stepped
    into very big clubs and developed what was there. They both spent
    money, AF spent as much as KD, GG spent less, it took time, and both 
    were not without their critics in the process. 
    
    I wonder how well AF or GG would have done in Kennys shoes but we'll
    never know.
    
    Personally I think its too soon to judge but I would say he's among the
    best at the moment. Its just my opinion but football history is littered 
    with managers who have spent lots of money and not met the expectations 
    of their clubs. So far I think Kenny has got it right.
    
    O.K. ?
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    p.s. I think Villa did well to win a trophy but their league form was
    probably a fair reflection of their ability. Like Liverpool they are 
    going to have to rebuild because they rely on old men and youngsters 
    who are not quite the finished article. I would rather be in Kennys 
    shoes than Rons !.
    
202.455XSTACY::PHAYDENTue May 17 1994 15:215
Andy,

Have you ever thought of a career in Politics ? :-)

Peter.
202.456End of season scores to settle?!PAVONE::TURNERTue May 17 1994 15:286
    Sounds like it's the turn of the "Alliance" to get some stick from the
    "Gang Of Four" (Man Utd, Arse, Spurs, Liverpool)...
    
    ;-) :-)
    
    Dom 
202.457Its a good job I'm humbleWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue May 17 1994 16:1826
    Peter,
    
    to answer your question "have you ever considered a career in politics"
    I can only say that in my opinion Kenny Dalglish has been a successful
    manager of Blackburn Rovers and the sooner the rest of you realise it
    the better things will be. In Jack Walkers Budget Day speech he set out
    a five year plan to achieve substantial growth for the region. It is
    not surprising that public opinion led by the media has turned against 
    us mid-term in Kennys period of office and that many of you fail to
    realise that significant investment on this scale will produce results
    in the medium to long term.
        
    Dom,
    
    Its tragic really, inoffensive little me comes along to spread a bit of
    knowledge and lend a bit of support for a less fashionable club and all
    I get is abuse from all these 'closed-shop' louts.
    
    :-)
    
    Still, let them have their shout now, they'll be going away soon to see if
    they have enough pocket money for a season ticket ! 
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.458PAVONE::TURNERTue May 17 1994 17:1716
    >Dom,
    >
    >Its tragic really, inoffensive little me comes along to spread a bit of
    >knowledge and lend a bit of support for a less fashionable club and all
    >I get is abuse from all these 'closed-shop' louts.
    
    Heart bleeds for you, Andy!
    
    Tell you what, given Blackburn's enviable financial position I'm sure
    we could consider extending the Gang Of Four, or at least offer
    Blackburn honorary membership.
    
    Unfortunately, full membership is limited to clubs who have won a
    trophy in the last 20 years (and are stinking rich!) ;-) ;-)
    
    Dom
202.459Perhaps we should reconsider ......BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Tue May 17 1994 17:209
    Dom,
    
    I think we should make an exception to the the Trophy rule. Let's chuck
    Liverpool out and give their place to Blackburn. At least Blackburn
    supporters won't bore us with lists of their achievements in the
    previous two decades (notably excluding the current decade !)  ;-))))
                                                                          
    
    Jerry.
202.460You're getting cynical in your old age...PAVONE::TURNERTue May 17 1994 17:2510
    >I think we should make an exception to the the Trophy rule. Let's chuck
    >Liverpool out and give their place to Blackburn. At least Blackburn
    >supporters won't bore us with lists of their achievements in the
    >previous two decades (notably excluding the current decade !)  ;-))))
                                                                          
    Jerry,
    
    Now who would do a thing like that?
    
    Dom
202.461Listen, I'll be asking questions laterWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue May 17 1994 17:5311
    
    I don't know why I bother trying to educate you people, the ignorance 
    out there is just staggering, we do have a recent trophy :
    
    I just can't believe you forgot Blackburn Rovers won the Full Members Cup !
    
    See you at the Charity Shield on August 14th.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.462Charity ShieldWOTVAX::NORTHSTue May 17 1994 17:5528
    
    It has been finally confirmed that we will face Man Utd at Wembley for
    the Charity Shield on August 14th.
    
    Firstly, I must say I am surprised but very pleased about this, I
    thought that Arsernal would be invited to face Utd.
    
    What I don't understand is why the game has to be played on a Sunday
    afternoon and not a Saturday.
    
    Again TV get what they want, and 80,000 Northern fans have to make
    the long journey to London on a Sunday.  It is not as if there are
    any other fixtures being played that weekend.
    
    The charity shield is a great family day out, it's about the only
    occasion at Wembley when the true fans get the majority of tickets, and
    I think it is dis-graceful to move it to Sunday, which will put off
    some fans especially those with young children.
    
    I for one, will be travelling to London for the game but it is about
    time the supportors were considered a little more then they seem be be
    at current.
    
    
    Pi--ed Off 
    Stephen
    Kennys Barmy Army
    
202.463And they say that money can't buy success...XSTACY::PHAYDENTue May 17 1994 18:4462
Well there you have it. Jack( loads a money ) Walker  couldn't get any
silverware legitimately so he begs & bribes the F.A into letting them have a go
at United in the Charity Shield. 

This is a bloody disgrace. Arsenal are the only team with credentials good
enough to challenge United's this season. Just shows what money can buy !

Even Villa ( spit ) deserve a place over Chequebook Rovers !!!



This is how this travesty occured( Allegedly )...

Jack:
"Please give us a Trophy , Please Please Please !!!! We've spent all that money
and drank gallons of that McKwens piss we must deserve something !!!!"

Grahame Kelly:
"Bu&&er off you Nouveau rich git"

Jack:
Look if you don't give us some silver we'll scream and scream 'till we make
ourselves sick !!!!! and we'll stop paying ridiculous money for players and and
and ..."

Kelly:
"Welllllllllll O.K then."

Jack:
"Oh yeah , could you manage to suspend Cantona, Keane, Schmichael, 	
Kanchelkis, Ince, Giggs , Irwin , Bruce and Pallister for the game ?"

Kelly:
"What ? You've got to be joking"

Jack:
"C'mon give us a sporting chance, pleeeeeeeease"

Kelly:
"I'll think about it..O.K"

Jack:
"Oh Grahame, I think your Bently is blocking my Jag in the car park Grahame"

Kelly:
"But I drive an Escor.. Ah right I'll move it right away Jack me ol' son"
"By the way Jacko , I've been thinking about those suspensions..."

Jack:
"Yes...?"

Kelly:
"Maybe we could manage a couple for have a stupid looking beard or an accent or
something like that"




Regards,

Peter.

202.464WOTVAX::NORTHSTue May 17 1994 19:251
    Peter,
202.465BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonTue May 17 1994 19:319
    
    	Does anyone know why Blackburn have been chosen to play the Charity
    Shield? I seem to remember (Cunno will know for sure) that when
    Liverpool did the double, they played Cup runners up Everton again for
    the Charity Shield. Surely on Saturday's performance, and given that
    they were the only team to do the double over United this season,
    Chelsea are the only team who deserve to play the Charity Shield.
    
    JBG
202.466CUCKOO::YEOMANSDChopped chives - yum scrumTue May 17 1994 19:437
    Everton probably finished a little higher in the league than Chelsea's
    14th.
    
    In fact, given that and the fact that Chelsea didn't actually win
    anything, a place in Europe is a pretty good consolation prize.
    
    Dave.
202.467I don't like SundaysWOTVAX::NORTHSTue May 17 1994 20:0713
    
    Re: 464
    
    Everton were also league runners-up as well as losing cup finalists,
    so at the time it was unclear which held precedence.
    
    Blackburn are playing Man Utd because they are currently the second
    best side in the country; League positions don't lie.
    
    Still don't understand why it has got to be played on a Sunday.
    
    Regards
    Stephen
202.468Can't ever remember a Rovers/United transferWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri May 27 1994 12:5013
    
    David May (ex-season ticket holder at Man City ) has now rejected an 
    offer from Blackburn and has had talks with Uniteds Alex Ferguson. 
    
    It would appear that either the boy is getting greedy or Kenny has
    other things planned for the defence.                  
    
    Maybe the Baresi deal is nearer than we think. Dom can probably tell me
    how old that Italian is now.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy 
202.469Ohh my word...!!!MUFC::TONYFri May 27 1994 13:3510
>>  David May (ex-season ticket holder at Man City ) has now rejected an 
>>  offer from Blackburn and has had talks with Uniteds Alex Ferguson. 
    
>>  It would appear that either the boy is getting greedy or Kenny has
>>  other things planned for the defence.                  

The boy's greedy...!!! Surely Mr Jack "I can outpay Man Utd" Walker is
capable of offering him the world..???

tony
202.470MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Fri May 27 1994 13:4411
    Why would he want to move to ManU.. I bet he'll never get in the team..
    just like Dion Dublin... plus Blackburn are in Europe anyway.. 
    
    Seems like he'll be shooting himself in the foot if he moves.. 
    
    
    
    plus ManU will probably get knocked out in round 2 of the EuroCup
    anyway! :->
    
    Rick.
202.471More sense than money !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri May 27 1994 14:0018
    Tony,
    
    I think the point is Blackburn are capable of offering anybody just
    about anything but are not irresponsible with the dosh. Uncle Jack will 
    not be held to ransom and has in Kenny a manager who will tell him
    exactly what he thinks a player is worth. If you go into negotiation
    without deciding how much you are prepared to pay then you are 
    stupid, no matter how rich you may be. 
    
    In the past Clubs, players and agents who thought Blackburn were an 
    easy mark have been mistaken. Good examples are Geoff Thomas and 
    Neil Ruddock, their careers have flourished ever since ;-) 
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    p.s. FWIW: Jack could buy United let alone outpay them ! 
202.472NEWOA::FIDO_TConation is the keyFri May 27 1994 14:077
>Mr Jack "I can outpay Man Utd" Walker is
>capable of offering him the world..???
    
    ... financially maybe, but he cannot offer a premiership or FA Cup Winners 
    medal !
    
    Terry :-)
202.473TRUCKS::SANTnetwork partner exitedFri May 27 1994 14:309
202.474I confess, I started it !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri May 27 1994 15:2932
    Andy,
    
    Its very true to say you can't buy winners medals, equally joining MANU
    is no guarantee either. A lot of people went to Liverpool in the last
    few years thinking they would win things !
    
    Personally I think this is down to a 23 year old lad who has worked his
    way through the ranks and finds himself in a dressing room with some of
    the best players in the country. It cannot be easy to compare the deals
    they get and to try and assess his own worth. Were I in his shoes I 
    think I would have to do some market sensing too. 
    
    I don't know if he's staying or going, but I hope that he does 
    whatever he does with dignity. This reminds me of when Colin Hendry 
    left to go to City. His professionalism throughout 
    ensured that when he returned he was highly respected by the club 
    and the fans. Its sad to see players slagging off thier previous
    clubs/managers. 
    
    Good luck to David May whatever he does, personally I'd like him to 
    stay, but not if he's not happy. 
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy  
    
    p.s. Young David is know to, er, how can I put this, 'enjoy a little
    wine, women and song'. It could just be he's bored. I left Blackburn
    and went to Manchester for 3 years myself when I was young and
    impetuous. Green, Hendry, possibly now May, all the defensive giants of 
    Blackburn tread the same path to glory. 
    
202.475Save your money!PAVONE::TURNERFri May 27 1994 16:2234
    re: .468
    
    >Maybe the Baresi deal is nearer than we think. Dom can probably tell me
    >how old that Italian is now.
    
    Not 100% sure, Andy, but I think he's 34. People think he's older
    because he was already a part of the Italian World Cup squad in '82,
    but he had a serious illness which confined him to a wheelchair when he
    was about 24-25.
    
    Great player in the past, but I wouldn't buy him now. He has been
    embarassed by quick ball-playing forwards on numerous occasions this
    year and I think it's a sign that the years are catching up with him.
    After the first couple of mistakes, people were saying "Hmm, even
    Baresi isn't infallible". Now they're saying he's possibly the weak
    link in the national team. Sure, Milan conceded very few goals this
    year, but they do defend very much as a team - a view illustrated by
    the fact that they scored an incredibly low number of goals for a
    championship winning team.
    
    He (Baresi) is a great captain though. Very much in the Bryan Robson
    "lead by example" mould. Have Blackburn really shown interest then? I
    can't believe he'd ever leave Italy, and I can't believe anyone else
    could pay his wages (Jack Walker included). 
    
    That said, the recession is starting to bite even in Italian football.
    Judging by the pre-season signings that have been confirmed here, I
    very much doubt that you'll have to part with Alan Shearer. The big
    Italian clubs seem to be looking almost exclusively at the cheaper
    markets (i.e. Africa, South America), rather than Spain, Germany,
    France and Britain.
    
    Dom
    Spain and 
202.476BUSSTP::DREESFri May 27 1994 19:546
    
    At lunchtime, Radio 5 stated that David May had accepted terms with
    Alex Ferguson and will join Man Utd. Transfer fee has still to be
    decided.
    
    Del.
202.477I'm talking about David MayYUPPY::PANESButch Wilkins is GodFri May 27 1994 20:2512
202.478XSTACY::PHAYDENMon May 30 1994 15:235
I do believe that the last was the first note to set hidden in this topic.
Disgraceful !!!


Peter.
202.479Curious ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue May 31 1994 13:034
    
    Well whatever it was, it wasn't me !
    
    Any explanation ?
202.480May in May!SHAWB2::STOCKMANSTue May 31 1994 19:537
Must have been monsieur North then! alias kenny's barmy army.
Looks like one of them is not so barmy after all!!!! ha ha!!!

Just kidding guys, kind of!

Si

202.481losing my seatWOTVAX::NORTHSWed Jun 01 1994 18:0446
    Re: .480          
    
    Nothing to do with me either.
    
    Lets hope that the Rovers have learn't their lesson, I for one am very
    sad to see David May go, especially to United.
    
    I have a feeling that Uncle Jack may now appoint someone onto the board
    who can handle the responsability.
    
    
    Andy,
    
    Having read the details for next seasons tickets sales I think you are
    lucky to be in the Walkers Steel stand.
    
    I have been a season ticket holder for 10 years now, and last season
    was given the option of upper or lower Darwen end seats.  We were then
    lead to believe that at the start of the 94/95 season, we would take
    our identicate seats in the Blackburn End.
    
    We are now told that the whole of the upper tier of the Blackburn end
    will be for family members only (3000 seats, currently family
    membership approx 500).
    
    So were will we sit,  God Knows.  We will probally be offered the
    crapiest seats in the lower tier or be told to be an extra 50 quid and
    sit in the Jack Walker stand.
    
    To make matters worse, the people who do not buy a season ticket, can
    buy individual match day tickets for the upper tier of the Darwen End -
    Were I am being moved from.
    
    As far as I'm concerned, this stinks and I believe that season ticket
    sales will reflect it.  The club needs to look after the supporters who
    were their in the second and third divisions and treat them better then
    they currently seem to be.
    
    Regarding the price increases, can I understand why the prices have
    gone up.  My ticket nest season will be 235 agaisnt 180 last season.
    
    
    Currently very pissed with the Rovers.
    
    Stephen
    Kennys Barmy Army.   
202.482PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCWed Jun 01 1994 18:194
    
    What will the capacity be at Ewood park next season...?
    
    Dave...
202.483Big enoughMUGGER::NORTHWed Jun 01 1994 18:223
    
    30,000 or 32,000 depending on which paper you read.
    
202.484loads a seatsWOTVAX::NORTHSWed Jun 01 1994 20:1912
    
    Capacity will be 30,700.
    
    8000   Blackburn End
    8000   Darwen End
    9000   Jack Walker stand
    5700   Walkersteel Stand
    
    
    Regards
    Stephen
           
202.485It'll take a lot of money to buy that many fans ;-)XSTACY::PHAYDENWed Jun 01 1994 20:560
202.486BUSSTP::DREESThu Jun 02 1994 03:5819
    
    
    Call me suspicious if you want, and maybe I'm way off beam but I reckon 
    there's more to the David May story than meets the eye. Dalglish is a 
    very shrewd man and I can't beleive he went 8 months or so without talking
    contracts if he REALLY wanted him to stay. I reckon he was quite happy to 
    lose May, for whatever reason and even to their biggest rivals for next 
    seasons championship, regardless of what Jack Walker thinks.
    
    There is no love lost between Dalglish & Ferguson and I'm sure that 
    Dalglish wouldn't leave May out of contract knowing he could sign for
    anyone, had he really wanted to keep him. Just my opinion. 
    
    If on the other hand he expected May to re-sign without any problems, 
    he's really made a balls up and put extra pressure on himself. Jack Walker
    & the Blackburn support will expect silverware next season and if he 
    doesn't deliver the goods, losing May to Utd could come back to haunt him. 
                                                                 
    Del.
202.487Don't believe all you read (especially notes)WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Jun 02 1994 13:0420
    Del,
    
    I think there is more to it. David ruffled a few feathers at Blackburn 
    over the last 12 months and the club works hard on retaining is friendly 
    family image despite its 'growth'. 
    
    I hope David does well because he and Blackburn have done a lot for
    each other and he is potentially a great player. 
    
    He has said himself that Kenny's guidance has immensely improved him 
    as player, I hope that somebody at O.T. will protect him from all the 
    distractions,
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    p.s. Blackburn have now lost Moran and May from last season and now
    only have eight centre halfs, 5 of whom (Hendry, Marker, Morrison, Pearce,
    & even Warhurst) have all played in the Premier League.  
202.488Ten meat phals with extra chillies please.UPROAR::LEMPLive slow, die youngThu Jun 02 1994 14:3414
    >p.s. Blackburn have now lost Moran and May from last season and now
    >only have eight centre halfs, 5 of whom (Hendry, Marker, Morrison, Pearce,
     ^^^^
    >& even Warhurst) have all played in the Premier League.
    
    Andy,
    
    Perhaps you should amalgamate with Arsenal. You could call yourselves
    "Arseburn" or something like that.
    
    Helpfully Yours,
    
    Paul.  
    
202.489Bummer.XSTACY::PHAYDENThu Jun 02 1994 15:576
    >>Perhaps you should amalgamate with Arsenal. You could call yourselves
    >>"Arseburn" or something like that.

Yeah and you'd get *Piles* of supporters I suppose ;-)

Peter. 
202.490Carry On Noting - Starring P.Hayden :-)WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Jun 02 1994 16:027
    Peter,
    
    I can't believe you missed the chance to say we'd finish bottom.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.491A timely derailing of a dangerous train ;-)BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Thu Jun 02 1994 18:021
    Nice weather we're having at the moment, isn't it ?
202.492Derailed or simply delayed?PAVONE::TURNERThu Jun 02 1994 18:186
    Jerry,
    
    Thank heavens you saved us from the one about "getting men back behind
    the ball" ;-)
    
    Dom
202.493XSTACY::PHAYDENThu Jun 02 1994 18:466
Bloody cheek of you Jerry. Trying to abort a good slagging match before I could
get involved.

Now where was I...

Peter.
202.494I was really just trying to move it !BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Thu Jun 02 1994 18:559
    Peter,
    
    I'm sorry. I was feeling guilty so I tried to start up another one in
    the Cricket note (177.293). Unfortunately, Gary woz 'avin' nun of it !
    I'm worried about Gary, he hasn't been himself since he came back.
    Let's hope the drugs wear off soon and he's gets back in the spirit
    ;-)))
    
    Jerry.
202.495Let's All Laugh at ShearerESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Fri Jun 03 1994 17:097
202.496and David Batty ate my Hamster ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Jun 03 1994 19:438
    Brian,
    
    Its not like you to be rumour-mongering, which paper was this ?
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy 
        
202.497MirrorESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Tue Jun 07 1994 17:202
        

202.498UEFA CUP SEEDS ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Jun 16 1994 16:209
    
    I heard that Blackburn have been seeded 18th? in the UEFA Cup, can some
    kind soul please enter the full list.
    
    An explanation of what it all means would be useful too. 
        
    Cheers,
    
    Andy  
202.499FORTY2::FOWLERMEnhance your calmThu Jun 16 1994 17:354
I think Blackburn were 16th, but I might be wrong. Villa were 17th and Newcastle
18th.

Mike
202.500SHIPS::EDWARDS_DThu Jun 16 1994 18:045
    re : .498
    
    I think it means that Blackburn are crap, Andy !
    
    Does that help ?
202.501Here we goWOTVAX::NORTHSThu Jun 16 1994 21:2625
           
    Andy,
    
    I cannot understand how the team that finish's second in the English
    Premier league can only be seeded 16th.  I would like ot know how this
    is determined.
    
    This now means that we will play in the preliminary rounds which will 
    take place in early August, before the English Season.
    
    This raise's a couple of questions;
    
    1.   What happens to the Charity Shield.  If we are involved in
         important European games what sort of team will Kenny send to Wembley.
         
    	
    2.	Our ground will not be ready until Mid August.  
    
    
     
    I suppose I shouldn't complain to much, at least I'm not a Spurs fan - 
    They have got something to complain about.
    
    Regards
    Stephen
202.502Is anybody listening ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Jun 17 1994 17:3711
    Stephen,
    
    thats why I asked for clarification. Somebody out there must be able to 
    explain the system.  
    
    My understanding is that this seeding will allow us to avoid 
    preliminary rounds and enter the competition in Mid-September.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.503spotted !LARVAE::FERRARO_AAntony Ferraro @UCGFri Jun 17 1994 18:574
    Just seen your boy Le Saux in a Basingstoke pub discussing terms with
    Alan Sugar. 
    
    Antony
202.504Have you sent your CV to The Sun ?BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Fri Jun 17 1994 19:096
    Antony,
    
    Are you sure they weren't just out getting pi**ed to drown Sweetie's
    sorrows ?
    
    Jerry.
202.505TRUCKS::SANTnetwork partner exitedFri Jun 17 1994 19:198
    
    	I can confirm that Graham le Saux *was* at the pub this lunchtime,
    	and he certainly looked to be enjoying himself.
    
    	If this was an example of Spurs' hospitality then I'll have some of
    	that!
         
    	Andy.
202.506Meanwhile back in England life goes on ...WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Jun 22 1994 15:0515
                                                 
    HELP - DOES ANYBODY KNOW WEMBLEY STADIUM ?
    
    I'm off to buy my Charity Shield tickets this weekend and yes,
    its a while since I've been there so can anybody tell me how the seats
    are arranged (cue for an old joke Peter) ;-).
    
    I'd rather be at the side than the end this time so which blocks should
    I try for and which rows are highest/lowest ?
    
    A beer for anybody who can produce a useful diagram !
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy 
202.507Ready for a quick getaway !BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Wed Jun 22 1994 15:138
    Andy,
    
    If I were you, I'ld get a seat near one of the exits. That way, when
    United are 4-0 up at half-time, you can get out with less fuss !
    
    Yours helpfully,
    
    Jerry.
202.508Wembley\WOTVAX::NORTHSWed Jun 22 1994 16:1020
    
    Andy,
    
    Basically avoid the cheapest seats - their crap.
    
    The last seats I went in, at the play off final, cost 18.00 and were
    down the side, slightly to one side.  Good Value.
    
    I was looking at the ticket prices yesterday and  I think that they
    will probally be the 20-22.00.
    
    Lets hope the Blues can sort out the ticket office this time to reduce
    the  queueing time.  
    
    See you at Wembley.
    
    
    Regards
    Stephen
     
202.509UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnWed Jun 22 1994 23:325
    Andy, try the Olympic Gallery. Great view froom there. Shouldn't be too
    expensive as well for the Charrridy Shield, Mate.
    
    Paul.
    
202.510A nose bleed would be the wrong colourWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Jun 23 1994 13:0312
    Paul,
    
    sittin on the roof has never been my idea of fun.
    
    Now you mention it exactly which 'charidies' benefit from this grand
    spectaclar ? Mate.
    
    *** And thanks to Rick for the off-line info. ***
                                             
    cheers,
    
    Andy
202.511Box office number?KERNEL::BIRKINSHAWIt's a company Jim, but not as we know itThu Jun 23 1994 16:391
Can someone provide Blackburn's box office number?
202.512Whats your problem ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Jun 23 1994 16:536
    The Blackburn number is 0254 55432 but the worst ticket office in the
    world is currently worse than usual.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.513I'm sure it's a wonderful ticket office really...PAVONE::TURNERThu Jun 23 1994 17:0810
    >The Blackburn number is 0254 55432 but the worst ticket office in the
    >world is currently worse than usual.
    
    Andy,
    
    Youre blue-and-white tinted spectacles are slipping off the end of your
    nose ;-)
    
    Dom
    
202.514No, really, it isn't.WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Jun 23 1994 19:3114
    Dom,
    
    they may be blue and white but they are not spectacles (but you're
    close) ;-)
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    p.s. Enjoy winding up the italians while you can, they'll all be kissing 
    you again when they win.
     
    
    
202.515It doesn't take much to wind them up, actually...PAVONE::TURNERThu Jun 23 1994 19:4412
    >p.s. Enjoy winding up the italians while you can, they'll all be kissing 
    >you again when they win.
     
    I could probably live with that, provided I was allowed to choose which
    ones did the kissing ;-)
    
    But you're right: one deflected free kick in the Norwegian net tonight
    and Italy will go back to being the dominating force in world football,
    favorites for the World Cup, etc.
    
    Dom 
    
202.516FIXTURES 94-95WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Jun 24 1994 12:1657
    This is before the telly get hold of it !
    
    
20-Aug-1994	Southampton
23-Aug-1994	LEICESTER
27-Aug-1994	COVENTRY
30-Aug-1994	Arsenal

10-Sep-1994	EVERTON
17-Sep-1994	Chelsea
24-Sep-1994	ASTON VILLA

01-Oct-1994	Norwich
08-Oct-1994	Newcastle
15-Oct-1994	LIVERPOOL
22-Oct-1994	MAN UTD
29-Oct-1994	Nottm Forest

02-Nov-1994	Sheff Wed
05-Nov-1994	TOTTENHAM
19-Nov-1994	Ipswich
26-Nov-1994	QPR

03-Dec-1994	Wimbledon
10-Dec-1994	SOUTHAMPTON
17-Dec-1994	Leicester
26-Dec-1994	Man City
27-Dec-1994	LEEDS
31-Dec-1994	Crystal Palace

02-Jan-1994	WEST HAM
14-Jan-1995	NOTTM FOREST
21-Jan-1995	Man Utd
24-Jan-1995	IPSWICH

04-Feb-1995	Tottenham
11-Feb-1995	SHEFF WED
18-Feb-1995	Qpr
21-Feb-1995	WIMBLEDON
25-Feb-1995	NORWICH

04-Mar-1995	Aston Villa
07-Mar-1995	ARSENAL
11-Mar-1995	Coventry
18-Mar-1995	CHELSEA

01-Apr-1995	Everton
08-Apr-1995	CRYSTAL PALACE
15-Apr-1995	Leeds
17-Apr-1995	MAN CITY
29-Apr-1995	West Ham

06-May-1995	NEWCASTLE
13-May-1995	Liverpool
    
    
202.517Look out for my bannerWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Jun 27 1994 21:3512
    
    Well, thanks to Rick, I got my charity shield ticket.
    
    I'm on the back row of the central block of the lower tier of the south
    stand. I think that puts me opposite the royal box.
    
    I suspect it will be a low turnout given all the whining United fans
    were doing last season.
                           
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.518MARVIN::MORRELLHere comes my baby... walking back to meMon Jun 27 1994 21:466
    Any time Andy... :->
    
    Thats near where we sat for the England match... they were good seats
    from what I remember.. :->
    
    Rick.
202.519?WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringTue Jun 28 1994 14:233
    >>I suspect it will be a low turnout given all the whining United fans
    >>were doing last season.
    
202.520SHIPS::EDWARDS_DTue Jun 28 1994 14:338
    re :-1
    
    I think Andy's referring to the whinging by Utd fans for having to
    travel to Wembley for the FA Cup semi-final. Blackburn fans are ever so
    excited at the prospect of travelling to Wembley for a pre-season
    friendly.  
    
    Dave
202.521Marlon Broomes has signed for BlackburnWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Jul 08 1994 14:361
    
202.522ho hoSUBURB::ABSOLOMTDillydallying and shillyshallyingFri Jul 08 1994 14:505
    I assume he's a sweeper?
    
    Tony
    
    
202.523SHIPS::EDWARDS_DFri Jul 08 1994 19:276
    I'm surprised that there's no transfer news in this note at the minute. 
    Not that Kenny is one to spend lots of money, but the departure of May
    and (?)Moran suggests that there's a lack of defensive cover.  To
    think, you could have had Clayton Blackmore. 
    
    Dave
202.524Plenty more defenders where May came fromWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Jul 08 1994 19:5014
    Dave,
    
    At the moment we have,
    
    Central defenders: Hendry, Morrison, Marker, Pearce, Warhurst
    
    Fullbacks: Berg, Le Saux, Atkins, Wright
    
    These are just the ones that I know are better than Clayton Blackmore, we
    have a bunch of others in the reserves that I haven't seen yet !
    
	Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.525Has he retired ?RTOEU::RDELANEYA knob of butter.....Fri Jul 08 1994 20:031
    Where did Moran go ?
202.526What the papers saySHIPS::EDWARDS_DFri Jul 08 1994 20:264
    I read an article that said Moran is quitting football.  Whether it's
    true or not .......
    
    
202.527And Moran appears to have a head injury...WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Jul 08 1994 20:3413
    It seems pretty certain that Moran has played his last game, he's 38
    and the trip to the World Cup seemed like a nice way to finish.
    
    There is the possibility of him taking a staff job, reserve team coach,
    at Blackburn and I understand this will be discussed next week.
    
    I'm surprised United don't want him back, they are short of defenders
    now that Blackmore and Phelan, who United laughingly called their
    defensive cover, have decided to further their careers.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.528May Day, May DayESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Mon Jul 11 1994 14:484
202.5294 weeks to goWOTVAX::NORTHSTue Jul 12 1994 17:3835
    
    Some little notes before a go and proudly wear my Blue and White shirt
    on the beaches of Ibiza.
    
    
    Looks like Sutton will sign this week for 5m.  Lets hope that Kennys eye
    for a bargain comes up trumps again.  I suspect that this will be Big
    Al's last season with us before we sell him for Mega Mega Mega Bucks to
    some Italian club.  Then again, if we are successful this season, 
    hopefully he'll decide it nicer in Blackburn than in Milan.
    
    The Rovers squad are now back in training and have been seen running 
    around the Ewood area.  Sounds like Kenny, 80 degree heat so he sends
    them all off on a 5 mile run.  Believe it or not, Paul Warhurst was in
    the lead when they passed my mates offices yesterday.
    
    Went down to the ground last weekend, the new main stand is looking
    good and should be easliy ready for Mid August.
    
    
    
    Just looking forward to stuffing Man U at Wembley on August 14th and
    then we will get down to the serious business and bringing the
    premiership down the M66.
    
    
    Happy Holidays.
    
    Stephen
    Kennys Barmy Army
    
    
    
    
    
202.530XAPPL::HINXMANBe not too hardTue Jul 12 1994 18:0511
	re .529

>    for a bargain comes up trumps again.  I suspect that this will be Big
>    Al's last season with us before we sell him for Mega Mega Mega Bucks to
>    some Italian club.  Then again, if we are successful this season, 

	Have you forgotten the "unspoken law"? If you speak of good things,
	they won't happen. If Shearer sustains serious injury this season,
	you will have only yourself to blame.

	Tony
202.531The Jack Walker home for disabled strikersWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Jul 13 1994 16:3612
    My sources tell me that the SUTTON deal was actually agreed on Saturday, 
    mainly because Blackburn already have injury problems with Newell and 
    Gallacher (who won't be fit until Christmas). 
    
    Warhurst and Pearce are obviously not in Kennys thoughts as potential 
    partners for Shearer.
    
    Just passing on a rumour,
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy 
202.532NEWOA::CAITHNESS_CColin Caithness @NEW, 774-6018Wed Jul 13 1994 17:047
I heard on the radio that Sutton was arrested in the early hours this
morning in Norwich city centre.

Celebrating, perhaps?

Colin.
202.533Exclusive - Dalglish chokes on Corn FlakesWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Jul 13 1994 17:239
    
    nah.... more likely trying to push the price up by convincing Fergie that
    he really has all the makings of a United player.
    
    What was he done for ? 
    
    cheers,
    
    Andy
202.534NEWOA::CAITHNESS_CColin Caithness @NEW, 774-6018Wed Jul 13 1994 17:355
>    What was he done for ? 
    
The spokesman for the police wouldn't say...

Colin.
202.535Sutton? who's he?BERN01::SWIB01::WRIGHTWed Jul 13 1994 18:028
>    What was he done for ? 
    
>    The spokesman for the police wouldn't say...


impersonating a top class striker perhaps ?

	Ray
202.536He likes blueMUGGER::NORTHThu Jul 14 1994 16:482
    Everton are one of the clubs who have agreed a price for Sutton
    
202.537Looking good for next season Stephen !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Jul 15 1994 17:0436
    Well Arsenal having dropped out and Everton being refused permission to
    even talk left Blackburn with a clear run in. The fact that Robert
    Coar and Kenny Dalglish have been on holiday since Sunday seems to
    imply that they knew it was in the bag on Saturday. 
    
    A statement this afternoon will no doubt confirm Chris Sutton as David
    Mays replacement, making him the most expensive centre half in the
    country.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
p.s. Kenny looks set to lead a strong and fairly settled team into Europe 
    next season with 9 englishmen, 1 scot & 1 dane in the 1st team which 
    I would pick as:
    
        		Shearer   Sutton
    
    	       Wilcox   Batty   Sherwood   Ripley
    
               Le Saux  Hendry  Morrison   Berg
    
                            Flowers
    
    And a pretty sound reserve team containing 10 English & 1 Scot,
    
    			Newell  Gallacher
    
    		Makel   Marker  Warhurst  Ireland
    
                Wright  Pearce  Broomes   Atkins
    
                            Mimms
    
    Assuming of course that theres no more purchases in the pipeline !
202.538SUBURB::ABSOLOMTLet them eat fishFri Jul 15 1994 17:277
    
    FYI, Blackburn are 7/2 second favourites for the Premier next season. I
    couldn't a price on Spurs, my bookie wouldn't stop laughing.
    
    Tony
    
    
202.539I bet your bookie loves you really !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Jul 15 1994 17:524
    Tony,
    
    nice one ! Have you any other amusing bets, like someone doing a treble ?  
                         
202.540SUTTON gets shirt No. 16WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Jul 18 1994 16:3913
                                                                     
    So the deal is done. On Saturday morning the club shop was selling
    loads of No. 16 shirts but the manager was saying that as he hadn't
    been allowed to order the names until after the press announcement they
    would all have to come back next week to have the names put on !
    
    VILLA and EVERTON are both now interested in Mike Newell, personally I 
    hope he stays and fights for a place, with Europe and an increasing
    number of Internationals in the team its going to be a long hard season. 
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.541The boys are back in trainingWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Jul 19 1994 17:2014
    
    Tim Sherwood was interviewed on Radio yesterday, he has signed a new
    4 year contract for Blackburn and said he was looking forward to meeting 
    up with Chris Sutton again, the last time they were together at Norwich
    Sutton was an apprentice cleaning Sherwood's boots !
    
    Shearer was also interviewed and said that he wanted to see out the 
    remaining 2 years of his contract at Blackburn, which would see him
    through the European Championships, and that he knew nothing about 
    any interest in him from abroad.  
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.542riveting stuff....WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringTue Jul 19 1994 19:491
    
202.543Glad you liked it, oh charismatic oneWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Jul 19 1994 20:431
    
202.544under DfenceFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandWed Jul 20 1994 13:346
    
    News flash......
    
    Blackburn are reported to be digging up new players!!!
    
    SteveP
202.545SUBURB::GROOMNTHE WIFE - Another household applianceWed Jul 20 1994 13:359
    Apparantly, workmen digging the foundations for the new Jack Walker
    stand yesterday found the remains of a human body.  Police have
    suspended further building whilst clues are searched for.  I think
    it's probably the remains of KD, who in three years of spending still
    has no worthwhile silverware to show for it, and finally cracked under
    the pressure !
    
    
    Nev
202.546Fred West looses Rovers Stadium Contract !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Jul 20 1994 16:1213
    More details for those who are interested in such things:    
    
    It was a blond haired chap in his early twenties, wearing a striped
    shirt and Levis. He was inside a length of pipe wrapped in plastic
    sheeting and buried in the yard behind what used to be terraced houses on
    Nuttall Street. He's been there a few years and probably 
    dissappeared sometime during the 80's.
    
    Should this note be renamed "What the hell happened to Peter Barnes ?".
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy  
202.547They know who it is...PAKORA::DROONEYLifes a beachFri Jul 22 1994 06:357
    
    Latest news identifies the body as,
    
    
    the 1987 hide and seek champion......
    
    Davie
202.548:-)RTOEU::RDELANEYA knob of butter.....Fri Jul 22 1994 12:581
    
202.549Here we go, Here we goWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Aug 08 1994 17:0822
    
    Well, after 2 weeks away and an extra week trying to re-find this notes
    file after it dis-appeared I find nothing's changed;
    
    
    	We (Blackburn) still win on the transfer market.
    
    	Cantona still gets sent off (In FRIENDLY games)
    
    	Blackburn injuries grow and grow.
    
    	My season ticket still hasn't turned up
    
    	The new Ewood still isn't ready.
    
    
    Off to Wembley on Sunday to stuff United, Uncle Jack will at last
    get his hands on some silverware.
    
    
    Stephen
    
202.550Still the U.K.'s worst ticket officeWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Aug 11 1994 12:2919
    Stephen,
    
    My investigations reveal that Season tickets are not being sent out
    until next week !
    
    They are blaming a crappy implementation of a new computer system ( I
    wonder where they got it from ?!) and the chaos of now having to
    temporarily house the occupants of the new stand in 'your' Darwen End.
    
    My renewal is being hampered by having to give up my regular place to 
    enable a number of us to sit together. The incredibly customer 
    sensitive female I spoke too clearly thought that I would be satisfied
    with "if you don't like your seat you can have your money back !"
    
    At least I know I've got a decent seat for the reserves game on Sunday.
                                                           
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.551SHIPS::EDWARDS_DThu Aug 11 1994 13:207
    Andy,
    
    What's the likely Blackburn line-up for Sunday ?  I believe Howard
    Gayle might be playing !!!
    
    Dave
    
202.552I think I better take my bootsWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Aug 11 1994 13:4322
    
    
    
    I expect to see:
    
    Tim Flowers
    Graham Le Saux
    Colin Hendry
    Marlon Broomes
    Henning Berg
    Tim Sherwood
    Tony Parkes
    Alan Irvine
    Ronnie Clayton
    Ken Beamish
    Kenny Dalglish
    
    That seems to complete the list of healthy people currently available 
    at Ewood Park although Ronnie is due to have a late fitness test, this
    will basically consist of holding a mirror in front of his face.
    
    Should still be good enough ;-)
202.553Tony GaleEASE::SMYTHThu Aug 11 1994 13:509
The 30 year old ex West Ham defender will sign a one year contract at Ewood Park
this week

Kenny must rue not having David May any longer on this evidence.




GS in Dublin
202.554Yawn ....SHIPS::EDWARDS_DThu Aug 11 1994 14:0213
>>                 -< Plenty more defenders where May came from >-
>>    Dave,
>>    At the moment we have,
>>    Central defenders: Hendry, Morrison, Marker, Pearce, Warhurst
>>    Fullbacks: Berg, Le Saux, Atkins, Wright
    
      Andy,
    
      ..and Gale !   Blackburn V Arsenal is going to be an interesting
      game this season !
    
      Dave
       
202.555Its starting to look like Sheffield WedWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Aug 11 1994 15:4614
    Dave,
    
    thats still all true but we have a bit of a problem with central 
    defenders just now: 
    
    Morrison injured
    Marker injured
    Warhurst injured again
    and Pearce playing up front because Sutton, Shearer, Newall, Wilcox 
    and Gallacher are all injured.
    
    Its not an excuse, we'll just have to buy some more :-)
    
      
202.556Told you so ...SHIPS::EDWARDS_DThu Aug 11 1994 15:494
    Andy,
    
    I bet you wish you'd bought Clayton Blackmore now !
    
202.557wheres the standWOTVAX::NORTHSThu Aug 11 1994 17:4636
    
    Andy,
    
    regarding the Season tickets, I know that the envelopes were franked and
    processed by the post office 4 weeks ago, these are now sat at Ewood
    next to the boxes full of season tickets.  I realise that the Jack
    Walkers seats would have to be sorted out because the stands not ready
    but surely it would make more sense to send out the Blackburn End and
    Walkersteel tickets ASAP rather than 1 week before the season starts
    Then again this is the Rovers were talking about. 
    
    I wonder what excuse McAlpines will give this time for the stand not
    being ready, to much sunshine, too hot or maybe it just rained alot over
    Ewood this summer.
    
    Lets hope the injuries sort themselves out and that we can put out a
    decent team on Sunday, my guess would be,
    
    
    				Flowers
    
    		Berg	Hendry		????	Le Saux
    
    		Ripley	Sherwood	Makel	Wilcox
    
    			Sutton		Warhurst 
      
    		Subs:	Shearer & ???
                         
    
    
    Wembley here we come.
    
                                                            
    Stephen
    Kenny's Barmy Army
202.558Injured again - tut, tut, tut.UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnThu Aug 11 1994 18:0412
    >Warhurst injured again
    
    Andy,
    
    Glad to see Kenny's getting his money's-worth. I don't suppose it'll
    worry him that much though - after all what's 2.75 mill to Large
    Pockets Walker.
    
    In anticipation of a new seasons inter-Roses rivalry,
    
    Paul.
    
202.559Souness hired as assistant coach?AIMTEC::WICKS_ABrazil v Italy - I was there!Thu Aug 11 1994 21:226
    Gosh a lot of discussion about an injury list - just like the Liverpool
    note in the good old days (:==:)
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
202.560TRUCKS::SANTa legend in his own lunchtimeMon Aug 15 1994 14:3912
    
    	Yeah..
    
    	Andy's just making sure he gets his excuses in early this season
    	for Blackburn's failure to win any trophy despite the 20-odd
    	million squid lashed out in the last two years.
    
    	By the way, Manchester United 2 Blackburn Rovers nil, goals by
    	Cantona (penalty) and Ince secured the Charity Shield for Utd.
    
    	Andy.
             
202.561and no, i dont support blackburn now!COMICS::HAWLEYIHappy! Happy! Joy! Joy!Mon Aug 15 1994 14:5013
    
    It said on teletext that the Blackburn squad was "severely depleted".
    How severe? How depleted?
    
    I'm hoping that Blackburn can knock the "creeping evil" off their perch
    this year, because SOMEONE has to. They can't be allowed to get away
    with looking good just because they are the cream of a VERY bad crop.
    If the mancs were something special i'd take my hat off to them, but
    they aren't and i dont wear hats in any case.
    
    Yours, gearing up for the new banterous season,
    
    Ian.
202.562SHIPS::EDWARDS_DMon Aug 15 1994 15:0016
    Blackburn were missing Batty, Shearer and Sutton.  United were missing
    Keane, Irwin and Parker.
    
    I thought the game was pretty average but 7 bookings makes it sound
    like a blood-bath.  I thought 2 or 3 of those bookings were justified
    but the rest were just ridiculous.  For once I agree with Dalglish -
    the new rules are going to be a disaster.  What good does it do if
    teams suffer from players being suspended all the time ?  Come on, Ryan
    Giggs and Lee Sharpe booked - the only time they come in contact with
    other players is during their post-goal celebrations.  
    
    BY the way Andy - are Blackburn fans scared of heights ?  Practically
    the whole top section of the Blackburn end was empty.  I thought this
    was your big day out.
    
    Dave
202.563TRUCKS::SANTa legend in his own lunchtimeMon Aug 15 1994 15:195
    
    	Giggs and Sharpe were both booked for fouls. Both deserved the
    	booking imo.
    
    	Andy.
202.564Moan moan moanSHIPS::EDWARDS_DMon Aug 15 1994 15:3528
  >>      Giggs and Sharpe were both booked for fouls. Both deserved the
  >>      booking imo.
  >>
  >>      Andy.
    
    Seems like there's a Blackburn Andy and a Man Utd Andy !
    
    Andy (Man U)
    
    Agreed - Giggs and Sharpe did commit fouls which resulted in them
    being booked.  But they were hardly what you'd call malicious fouls. 
    The thing I'm worried about is that referees are going to feel obliged
    to book anybody for any form of mistimed tackle - be it accidental or
    deliberate.  
    
    I think Bruce and Hendry definitely deserved their bookings.  Hendry
    was in fact lucky to stay on the pitch after the penalty.  But it wasnt
    a dirty game - 7 players have now got points against them before the
    season has started for what were, in general, silly tackles.
    
    A lot of people have raved on about how successful the World Cup was.
    Most of the top teams lost players due to suspension - this was in a
    tournment where teams played a max of 7 games, and they wiped out any
    bookings after the first phase.  
    
    Ah well, rules is rules.
    
    Dave
202.565FORTY2::FOWLERMResonate some understandingMon Aug 15 1994 15:574
Phillip Don said that he booked Giggs for kicking the ball away, and also that
he would have booked all seven even without the new FIFA directives.

Mike
202.566Proof if proof was needed !BERN01::BOLGERWeather's here,wish U were beautifulMon Aug 15 1994 16:001
    Mr. Don has always been a bit of a pillock !
202.567WRONGAYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthMon Aug 15 1994 16:397
    re. 565
    
    Philip Don booked Le Saux for kicking the ball away. He booked Giggs
    for a foul on Blackburn's new signing from French footie (can't remember
    his name )
    
    Kev...
202.568FORTY2::FOWLERMResonate some understandingMon Aug 15 1994 17:363
Oh well, I was close, and I make a point of never listening to referees 8-)

Mike
202.569TRUCKS::SANTa legend in his own lunchtimeMon Aug 15 1994 18:0112
    
    	I just tell it how I see it, Dave.
    
    	Sharpe was booked rightly imo, Ripley beat him for pace and Sharpe
    	brought him down. Giggs lost out to th full-back in the corner and
    	tripped him in retaliation for being shown up. Both needless fouls,
    	I agree, and both deserved a booking for petulence and stupidity,
    	Giggs in particular.
    
    	If it serves as a warning that gets heeded then good.
    
    	Andy (the Man U variety, as there is only one).
202.570UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnTue Aug 16 1994 12:368
    The results of a survey shown in the paper this morning shows that
    Blackburn have the most local support (travelling less than one hour to
    get to a home game). The figure quoted was 80%. Mind you I suppose the
    other 20% won't have come that far. After all, a horse drawn cart isn't
    going to get you very far in an hour.
    
    Paul.
    
202.571Its only for Chariddy mate !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Aug 16 1994 13:1046
202.572SORTED.WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Aug 16 1994 13:2113
202.573Bring on the BluesWOTVAX::NORTHSTue Aug 16 1994 16:1915
    
    Andy,
    
    MIne turned up this morning.  Row 23 in the Lower Blackburn End.  Can't
    wait until next Tuesday.
    
    No announcement yet on the Jack Walker stand, although I can't see the
    upper tier being complete for next Tuesday.
    
    It's a pity Speedie won't be playing next week, but I'm sure that if
    he's there he will get a tremendous reception..
    
    Regards
    Stephen
    
202.574Order another treatment table Jack.WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Aug 16 1994 18:0011
202.575TRUCKS::SANTa legend in his own lunchtimeTue Aug 16 1994 19:0412
202.576Relax, it's only money WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Aug 16 1994 19:3014
    
    What bothers you the most, the fact that somebody is spending a lot of
    money or the fact that it's Blackburn and not MANU (or Burnley) ?
    
>>>    	Now we *KNOW* the world's gone mad!! One is a good-ish un-capped
>>>    	centre-half. The other is a some-(4, 5?)capped Irish international
>>>    	almost unnoticed six months ago.
 
    Sounds like what United bought (Pallister and Keane) to me ;-).
       
    Cheers,
    
    Andy.
                                                                   
202.577hmmmmm...TRUCKS::SANTa legend in his own lunchtimeTue Aug 16 1994 19:4916
202.578Well at least we agree about Keane !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Aug 17 1994 20:5327
    Andy,
    
    I'm getting a bit bored with all this transfer stuff and 
    the only thing I can think of to immediately change the subject is a 
    provocative prediction sooo...
    
    Blackburn will win the league with 85 points, their first foray into Europe
    will finish at the quarter final stage. 
    
    Man. United will finish 3rd in the league and get their arses kicked 
    in Europe but will successfully defend the F.A. Cup.
    
    The C.C. Cup will go to Spurs :-).
    
    Leicester City will get relegated because its traditional for them to
    be involved in something, West Ham and Ipswich will go down with them.
    
    Alan Shearer will be the leagues top scorer, Eric Cantona will leave
    United before the season is out and Terry Venables will be hailed as
    the new messiah by putting together a string of victories against a lot
    of other countries experimental sides. 
    
    I'm sure you have an opinion on all this ;-)
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.579SHIPS::EDWARDS_DWed Aug 17 1994 21:0625
    I know that previous mail was addressed to Andy but ...
    
    Domestic Honours :
    
    Premier League :   1 - Man Utd
                       2 - Newcastle
                       3 - Spurs
                       4 - Blackburn 
    
    FA Cup - Newcastle
    
    Europe :
    
    Utd will reach the final of the Euro Cup
    Blackburn will win the UEFA cup
    Chelsea will not win the ECWC - sticking my neck out on this one !
    
    Cantona will leave United at the end of the season and will be replaced
    by Matt Le Tissier from relegated Southampton.  ALso down will be
    Leicester, Ipswich and Coventry/West Ham.  
    
    I will successfully defend my office fantasy league championship.
    
    Dave
    
202.580Whats the verdict Stephen ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Aug 22 1994 12:5921
    Southampton 1
    Blackburn   1
    
    Well its all good news isn't it, a better result at the Dell than last
    year, nobody got injured, Shearer scored and Sutton made it, everybody
    says Blackburn were by far the better team and made plenty of chances,
    its just a shame that Brucie G. picked Saturday for his 'this is the one 
    day of the year when I'm going to perform miracles' day. 
    
    And the morons from the other side of Darwen are already talking about
    trebles (Mark Hughes on Saturdays Grandstand wins the prize for first
    televised use of the T-word this season). Great stuff.
    
    I've never seen Shearer miss a penalty before, it almost made me think
    he's mortal.
    
    Still, its not over yet :-)
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.581here we go againWOTVAX::NORTHSTue Aug 23 1994 16:2930
    
    Tuesday at last.
    
    I didn't get to Southampton this year so this will be my first sight of
    the Rovers this season; apart from Wembley.
    
    Should be a good game tonight, I watched Leicester on sky on Sunday and
    unless they learn to defend very quickly I think they may be going the
    same way that Swindon did.
    
    I would expect the same team as Saturday;
    
    				Flowers
    
    		Le Saux		Gayle	Hendry		Berg
    
    		Ripley		Slater	Sherwood	Wilcox
    
    			Sutton		Shearer.
    
    
    Score prediction;  5-1 to Rovers.
    
    I also understand that a certain David Speedie will be at Ewood tonight
    and will carry out the half time draw.   I guess Speedo will get a
    better reception from the fans than the actual team.
    
    
    Stephen
    Kennys Barmy Army
202.582SHIPS::EDWARDS_DTue Aug 23 1994 17:147
    You Blackburn fans certainly are keen - I was waiting for the
    supporters coach to Old Trafford on Saturday at 09:20 am at Newbury
    services, when lo and behold, some Blackburn fans turned up.  Newbury
    is less than an hour from Southampton, so what do you boys find to do
    with all that time before a game ?
    
    Dave
202.583drink, drink and more drinkWOTVAX::NORTHSTue Aug 23 1994 21:1312
    
    Us Lancashire folk have been know to have one or two jars before
    watching the super Blues destroy the opposition.
    
    We have also been know to have a few more jars after the game when
    things havn't gone to plan.
    
    Well I'm off to Ewood.
    
    Stephen
    Kennys Barmy Army
    
202.584SlaterGLADYS::CRAVENA McBodybagWed Aug 24 1994 12:243
    What did Slater play like ? And how do you rate him?
    
    Ica
202.585Rovers v LeicesterWOTVAX::NORTHSWed Aug 24 1994 17:3341
    
    BLACKBURN 3  LEICESTER 1
    
    
    Not quite the 5-1 scoreline that I predicted but it could well have
    been.
    
    Leicester came to defend, as expected and Rovers were unchanged from
    Saturday.
    
    The first half was all Rovers, and it was no surprise when the Rovers
    went ahead.  Shearer chipped the ball across to Sutton, who scored with
    a diving header.
    
    The Rovers went further ahead early in the second half.  From my seat
    it was difficult to see what actually happened as I am behind teh other
    goal, but the ball went in off Henning Berg.
    
    The third goal, was probally the best, Sutton sold Leicester a perfect
    dummy which released Slater clean through on goal; this lad is good; he
    then released a thumping shot which hit the post.  Shearer then tapped
    in the rebound.
    
    The Rovers than sat back, and Leicester had a shooting practice, but
    they never looked like beating Flowers.
    
    Overall, I was very impressed by the performance.  Slater is a
    fantastic find for 300K and gives us an extra attacking option.
    
    Attendence at Ewood was 21050, which considering the problems that they
    have had over the past week with the ground redevelopment was not too
    bad.
    
    Rovers now lead the premiership (until tonight).
    
    Next game; Coventry at Ewood on Saturday
    
    
    regards
    Stephen
    Kennys Barmy Army  
202.586PEKING::JOLLYLViva la rock .... the killer lives onWed Aug 24 1994 18:002
    
    So who scored the Leicester goal then???????
202.587It's a trick question - I think ...BERN01::BOLGERWeather's here,wish U were beautifulWed Aug 24 1994 18:4312
    Either Stephen drank too much before, during and/or after the match
    yesterday or else I wasn't actually awake while looking at SKY this
    morning.
    
    If the former is true then the actual score was 3-0.
    
    If the latter is true then I can't help you.
    
    If both are true then perhaps someone should check a newspaper ;-)
    
    
    Jerry.
202.588Score was 3-0UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnWed Aug 24 1994 19:267
    Jerry,
    
    Don't get too excited. Goal difference isn't that important at this
    stage of the season - you've got all season to catch up.
    
    Paul.
    
202.589How's the relegation battle going?PAVONE::TURNERWed Aug 24 1994 19:327
    
    Sooooo...if Blackburn draw their next game 0-0, and United win theirs 1-0,
    it'll be level-pegging with just 39 games to go.
    
    A couple of injuries or a dodgy penalty could swing it either way ;-)
    
    Dom
202.590UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnWed Aug 24 1994 19:4410
    You said it Dom,
    
    It's been a real tussle so far and there's hardly anything between
    them. But the leagues a marathon, not a sprint and I predict it'll go
    all the way, so they've still both got everything to play for. Phew,
    hope my heart can cope!
    
    Cheers,
    
    Paul.
202.591The Toughest League in the World!PAVONE::TURNERWed Aug 24 1994 20:049
    
    To quote a popular Italian saying, Paul: "The ball is round." (?)
    
    Anything can happen now - it's a lottery. As for the relegation battle,
    I reckon 40 points should be enough for your Owls to stay up. Still,
    whoever would have said that there would still be 20 teams battling for
    survival at the end of August! 
    
    Dom
202.592wheres the aleWOTVAX::NORTHSWed Aug 24 1994 20:079
    
    I think I must have been drinking this morning, but I've always been
    quite a generous guy.  I give a goal to Leicester for turning up.
    
    		Rovers 3 	Leicester 0
    
    regards
    Stephen
    
202.593MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Wed Aug 24 1994 22:174
    I thinks its quite safe to say that Leicester are going to perform the
    same trick as Swindon did last year! :->
    
    Rick.
202.594If Everton don'tGLADYS::CRAVENA McBodybagThu Aug 25 1994 12:314
    Good to see Slater playing well, can't believe you got him for 300, he
    played Maradona off the park in Sydney in '93. Hope you win the league.
    
    Ica
202.595PorcupineISEPUB::CHAMPOLLIONCan-tas-ticThu Aug 25 1994 12:484
    Slater was with French side Lens. Highly valued there. Terrible haircut
    though.
    
    /JF
202.596my radio got nickedWOTVAX::NORTHSThu Aug 25 1994 17:447
    
    Anybody heard the coca-cola cup draw.
    
    If so, please let me know who we are playing and when.
    
    regards
    Stephen
202.597BERN01::BOLGERWeather's here,wish U were beautifulThu Aug 25 1994 18:251
    See 438.6.
202.598europeWOTVAX::NORTHSFri Aug 26 1994 15:088
    
    If anyone hears the draw for the EUFA cup which is being drawn today
    in Geneva can they please let me know who the Rovers are playing.
    
    
    Thanks
    Stephen
    
202.599WHO ......SIOG::HAUGHEYFri Aug 26 1994 18:279
    Blackburn Rovers are playing Trelleborgs of Sweden
    Matches to be played on 13 and 27 September
    
    Other matches to note:
    
    Aston Villa v. Inter Milan
    CSKA Sofia v. Juventus
    Real Madrid v. Sporting Lisbon
    Antwerp v. Newcastle
202.600off to Sweden we goWOTVAX::NORTHSFri Aug 26 1994 19:099
      
    re: .599
    
    Cheers
    
    Do you know where the first leg is being played?
    
    Regards
    Stephen
202.601WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringFri Aug 26 1994 20:104
    Blimey, I've been to Trellborg (had a friend living there) and it
    doesn't seem a big enough place to have a footie team. Was this draw
    seeded? BR seem to have got a cushy number here, compared to other
    English teams.
202.602Jerry knows the place well.....BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonFri Aug 26 1994 20:1410
    
    Andy,
    
    	you may be interested to know that Jerry has quite a number of
    female friends in Trellborg(sp). In fact, he is planning to go along
    and support the local side. So as there would be no hard feelings, he
    though he ought to be able to pass you on an address where you would be
    looked after (assuming Blackburn lost I think he said!). 8-)
    
    JBG
202.603Har-pigging-rumphFORTY2::FOWLERMResonate some understandingFri Aug 26 1994 20:279
You get Jack Walker. 	We get Deadly Doug "No Notes" Ellis
You get Chris Sutton.	We get John Fashanu.
You get Nobodies F.C.	We get Inter Milan.


Don't think I'm bitter or anything, but there seems to be some sort of pattern
emerging here.

Mike
202.604playing WHOWOTVAX::NORTHSFri Aug 26 1994 21:0118
    
    I take it that Tr----ons from Sweden arn't the best team in the world??
    
    It should give Alan and Chris some shooting practice.
    
    
    Tomorrows game  - Coventry @ Ewood.
    
    	Must be a good home win for the pools.  Coventry will probally be
        without Babb again.
    
    	I would expect us to field the same side as Tuesday, which
    	hopefully will result in the same scoreline.
    
    
    Stephen
    
     
202.605No problemSTKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeFri Aug 26 1994 21:277
202.606100% at homeWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Sep 12 1994 17:1735
    
    Rovers 3    Everton  0
    
    Another good home victory and a good steady performance by all the
    team.
    
    Everton still need a few more players if they are going to be a majpr
    force again but they did pass the ball about well.
    
    Shearer once again grabbed the headlines, but his Ewood hat-trick still
    eludes him.
    
    Man of the match for me was Colin Hendry.  He never put a foot wrong
    and kept Amichine???(what ever he's called) very quiet.
    
    The goals;
    
    	Number 1    Shearer collected a long clearence from Flowers, turned
    his marker and let fly from 25 yards.  To be honest Southall should
    have stopped it but it sneaked in the corner.
    
    	Number 2    Shearer crossed to the far post for Wilcox to volley
    home for 10 yards
    
    	Number 3    Southall brought Sutton down for a clear penalty.
    	Shearer sends Southall the wrong way.
    
    
    We are all looking forward to Tuesday, when our European adventure
    begins against Tellborg.  
    
    Stephen           
    Kennys Barmy Army
    
    
202.607Tickets for away supporters..PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCMon Sep 12 1994 17:337
    
    Blackburn supporters...
    
    How many tickets are issued to away supporters at Blackburn this
    season ?
    
    Dave...  
202.608sitting downWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Sep 12 1994 18:5122
     Dave,
    
    It depends on the fixture.
    
    The Darwen end of the ground holds 8000 in four sections.  Therefore
    this end can be split as necessary depending on how many tickets are
    sold to Blackburn Supporters.
    
    As a minimum you should receive 3000 (upper tier).  
    
    On saturday for example, Everton were given an initial 3000 but were
    then given an extra 2500 the Wednesday before the game.
           
    Therefore, you will receive either 3000, 5500 or 8000.  It would also
    be posssible for you only to receive 1500, if the Rovers could fill
    the ground themselves.
    
    Hope this helps,  which match are you looking at?
    
    regards
    Stephen
        
202.609PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCMon Sep 12 1994 19:167
    
    I'll will be attending the Blackburn v Spurs game in November. I
    just checked the fixture list as I thought it was sooner than that.
    
    Still better to foward plan these things....
    
    Dave...
202.610yWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Sep 12 1994 20:5612
    
    Dave,
    
    Rovers v Spurs  -  05th November 1994 (unless SKY have othe ideas)
    
    	This is a catagory A game and as such tickets for the Darwen end 
    	will be 14 pounds.
    
    	If you need directions or parking let me know.
    
    regards
    Stephen
202.611Highwayman in Warrington is NO MOREPEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCMon Sep 12 1994 20:597
202.612Its a big night for us tonight !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Sep 13 1994 15:2320
    
    Greetings one and all, I'm just back off my hols to see things have
    been going quite well in my absence - Sutton has started really well
    (dare I say as well as Shearer ?) and the team have been playing well 
    enough to create enough chances for him to miss a few sitters.
    
    These Trelleborgs seem like really nice guys from the interviews I've
    seen but I don't think Kenny will be taken in by the "its an honour
    just to be here" routine. 
    
    I hope they come out and play like they have nothing to loose, but I
    suspect they'll defend in numbers and hope for a break.
    
    Should be a good night and a decent crowd, there were 26,000 against
    Everton and more seats have been finished since then.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
202.613About 8-0 to Blackburn I'd SayESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Tue Sep 13 1994 16:170
202.614Not quite, 0-1YELBUS::DSMITHIt's over the line...Wed Sep 14 1994 01:557
    
    
     re "About 8-0 to Blackburn I'd Say"
    
        
    
     
202.615PEKING::COSSEYNWed Sep 14 1994 11:455
    
    Excellant performance last night. NOT....20 million pounds worth of talent
    and they couldn't string two passes together..
    
    Neil...
202.616Pathetic.PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCWed Sep 14 1994 11:543
    ...it was like a pre-season friendly, no atmosphere or commitment. 
    
    Dave...
202.617So WHAT the hell DID happen to Blackburn..GYMAC::DCASSIDYWed Sep 14 1994 12:326
    
    And I always wondered why this topic was named the way it is.....
    
    Now I know....
    
    Dezzz.
202.618UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnWed Sep 14 1994 13:3816
    
    I thought Trelleborg played really well, considering they are part
    timers. They defended excellently, even though Blackburn showed about
    as much imagination as a small soap-dish and played to their defensive
    strengths. When they came forward it was with good passing movements
    and plenty of support. They must (cliche alert) be over the moon and
    Kenny's boys as sick as parrots.
    
    I think Blackburn will still win the tie but it could be a close thing.
    I hope they go through though as it would be good for the English game
    in general to see clubs competing all the way to the finals of the Euro
    tournaments (and would lead to more entry places - where my real
    reasons lie).
    
    Paul.
    
202.619Introduce yourself here ...WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Sep 14 1994 13:4835
                                                    
    Good Morning, my name is Anders Greensson and I support Trelleborg.
    
    Last night was the greatest night of my life. 
    
    I thought we played very well, worked hard for each other as a team,
    defended solidly and took our chance when it came.
    
    But I was very surprised by Blackburns tactics, their midfield strategy
    of quickly hitting the ball at our guys in order to catch them off
    guard took a couple of minutes to master, and the long balls over the
    head of 5' 10" Alan Shearer were clearly designed to try and give our 
    6' 4" centre half a severe headache. 
    
    Blackburn obviously realised that we have been watching them on T.V.
    for the last two years and therefore reverted to the style that only
    their regular supporters have seen, the one that nearly didn't get 
    them out of the second division three years ago.
    
    I would like to thank the good people of Blackburn for their
    hospitality, I think they have a very nice pitch and a beautiful
    stadium. I just wish I had more time to enjoy the sights of this lovely
    town but I, like my team, have to work for a living. 
    
    Special thanks to the Rovers Fan I sat next to for the English lesson,
    I was not previously aware of the expression "HUKIN ELL" which appears to
    be the most popular shout of encouragement amongst English football
    supporters. 
    
    I am looking forward to the next match very much and in the words of
    my new friend, its not over yet,
    
    Bye Bye,
    
    Anders.
202.620GENIE::GOODEJWed Sep 14 1994 13:536
    
    Calling Andy Green.........
    
	.........someones broken into your account!!! 8-)
    
    JBG
202.621UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnWed Sep 14 1994 14:096
    I see that the old McEwans Alliance is still alive and kicking and that
    Blackburn are playing their part by giving Newcastle an easier ride to
    the final. Such sacrifice is admirable bunt have to keep the sponsors
    happy (erm smiley thing).
    
    Paul.
202.622Pred: Trelleborg....1 Blackburn....0 (AGG 2-0)PAKORA::JJACKTime for a personal name changeWed Sep 14 1994 14:135
    re.618
    
    Paul.......Err.....I think if Balckburn play like that in the return
    leg, they will lost that tie as well !!
    
202.623GENIE::GOODEJWed Sep 14 1994 14:177
    
    I for one would put money on Blackburn getting through to the next
    round......
    
    	       ......if my misses would give me some!! 8-)
    
    JBG
202.624Money Money Money, da da , dada , da da , dada , daa ... The Swedes will understandXSTACY::PHAYDENWed Sep 14 1994 14:208
Just pay them off. They're part timers for Chris' sake. Couple a million should
do it. C'mon Jackie , open your wallet.

Bet you they win two nil away once Jack sees this note.

Isn't that what you usually do ?

Peter.
202.625They'll *have* to play differentlyUPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnWed Sep 14 1994 14:458
    >Paul.......Err.....I think if Balckburn play like that in the return
    >leg, they will lost that tie as well !!
    
    Agreed, but I think we'll see a different Blackburn in Sweden (another
    20+ million for a new team shouldn't be too much for Mr Large-Pockets)
    
    Paul.
    
202.626Is this real or is it a nightmare??WOTVAX::NORTHSWed Sep 14 1994 14:4739
    
    Well it's taken until 10.30am to even look into this notes file after 
    last nights humiliation.
    
    Lets not take anything away from Trellborgs, they played well and
    defended brilliantly.
    
    Basically, the problem was that we were absolutley SH_T.  This happens
    year after year, when we play so-called "inferior" opposition we come
    out with the attitude that we are bound to win so why bother trying and
    every year we get stuffed.
    
    The whole team last night was CRAP and I for one showed my feelings at
    the end of the game.
    
    Also, what is the point of bringing on the SUBS with 4 minutes to go. 
    It was clear at half time that we hadn't got a clue so why it took
    until the 86 minute to make a change I don't know.
    
    What should have been a great night for the Rovers was a complete
    humiliation, and it must have been the best comedy on TV last night.
    
    
    I still think that we will win the second leg and get through, and I
    hope that last night has given everyone at Ewood the shock of their
    lives.  
    
    
    Andy,   
    	Have you heard anything about Warhurst.  Where is he?  
    
    
    Regards
    Stephen
    
    
         
    
     
202.627A Trevor Brooking for the 90'sXSTACY::PHAYDENWed Sep 14 1994 15:1514
Blackburn IMO missed Batty ( or any creative mid-field infuluence ) desperatly
last night. Neither of the strikers were prepared or able to drop deep , take
the ball and create an opening. Nobody was there to slow the game and change the
tactics. The whole game was spent with Riply and Le Saux makeing great runs and
high quality crosses from either wing. Unfortunatly the Treleborg defense read
every ball perfectly. 

In comparision Beardsly controled the whole game for Newcastle. He played a
stormer. Cole also seems to have the ability ( this season ) to drop deep and
thread through passes for the other players in addition to scoring himself.

Just an observation,

Peter.
202.628err, concentrate on the league ? ;-)WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Sep 14 1994 15:3736
202.629Sad, but true?WOTVAX::HARDYPWed Sep 14 1994 16:0619
    Chaps,
    
    It's easy to say now but Blackburn went into this game with totally the
    wrong attitude.
    
    The pre-match training had obviously been around "how to show off when
    you're winning 10-0". There were two free kicks taken mid way through
    the second half that were put together purely as crowd pleasers. One
    involved throwing the ball between two players to distract the Swedes.
    The other was a less imaginative pretence at being confused before
    tapping the ball sideways.
    
    THe Blackburn performance was a disgrace to the paying public. But on
    the other hand, the way the crowd seemed to not get behind their
    players meant that they probably got what they deserved.
    
    Peter.
    
    
202.630phwwffNSIC00::ROLLITTHey, I though you were killed in a crashWed Sep 14 1994 16:416
    Blackburn should buy the whole Trelleborgs team, then they will play
    either a lesser bunch of reserve postmen or the team wives in the
    return leg. Mind you the wives might all be like fellow-Scananavian Trine
    Hattestad
    
    Simon
202.631we'll sing if they will playWOTVAX::NORTHSWed Sep 14 1994 17:1920
    re .629
    
    Couple of points;
    
    	The free-kicks you mention are used every week - They havn't worked
    yet but no doubt we'll keep trying.
    
    	Regarding the crowd, I am a season ticket holder and will get
    behind the team at every opportunity but when the team can't give a toss,
    why should I.  
    
    	I pay good money every year to support the Rovers and quite frankly
    I expect to see at least some determination from players who wear
    the Blue and White shirts.  
    
    	They can pay me 3 grand a week and I'll show them determination. 
    
    
    	regards
        Stephen     
202.632grovel grovelWOTVAX::HARDYPWed Sep 14 1994 17:4513
    Stephen,
    
    Perhaps we can just put it down to an off night. Assuming that you win
    the second leg then the damage will be zero.
    
    As you are clearly one of those wonderful season ticket holders, whose
    appreciation of good football transcends the low level bias of others,
    is there any chance of you getting me a couple (or even three) tickets
    for the match at Newcastle on 9th October?
    
    Peter
     
    football 
202.633God, I wish it was that simpleWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Sep 14 1994 18:2315
    Peter,
    
    Don't you know our ticket office is the worst in the world. If Stephen 
    can get any other ticket than his own for this game then he 
    must possess supernatural powers or be related to Uncle Jack.
    
    A suggestion:
    
    Your best hope is to go into any pub in Newcastle next weekend
    and say " I'm the hardest man in the Pub and if nobody gives me a
    ticket for the Rovers game right now I'll beat the crap out of you all".
    
    Good Luck,
    
    Andy.
202.634He wouldnt want to go that far!WOTVAX::HARDYPWed Sep 14 1994 19:049
    Andy,
    
    But the match is at Newcastle and he (and all of his season ticket
    holder buddies) might not be going. 
    
    At least we get more of a response here than from the Villa note :-{
    
    Peter
    
202.635no chanceWOTVAX::NORTHSWed Sep 14 1994 20:069
    
    Peter,
    
    I wish I could get a ticket myself for the Newcastle game.
    
    You will have to watch it on SKY like the rest of us.
    
    Regards
    Stephen
202.636 GOODBYEWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Sep 15 1994 15:3214
    A message to you all:
    
    After 11 years in Digital its time for me to say farewell, and thanks
    for all the banter we've had over the last couple of seasons. I'm taking 
    VR and am officially out on the 30th but I've a few other things to do
    before then so this could be my last note.
    
    It's been great, 
    
    All the best, 
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
202.637Is there anybody left ?XSTACY::PHAYDENThu Sep 15 1994 15:4611
See Ya Andy,

Well , It was a pleasure knowing you !
Best of luck in the future.

The footie conference will be a lesser place without your contributions
and I can safely say that you'll be missed,

Cheers,

Peter.
202.638YUPPY::PANESI've got Stu under my skinThu Sep 15 1994 15:578
Andy,

I too will miss your contributions. 

Good luck.


Stuart
202.639FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingThu Sep 15 1994 16:2312
All the best, Andy - your Notes were always worth reading.

Re Tuesday - I never thought I'd see a Kenny Dalglish team play like that. 
They played as if they had no-one in midfield. Le Saux and Co hardly managed a 
pass of less than 40 yards all night - and the Trelleborgs back four just 
loved it.

I think Blackburn can win the tie IF Trelleborgs attack them, allowing Rovers 
to counter-attack. But the Swedes don't need to - they can playthe same way 
again and win 1-0 again!

grahame
202.640UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnThu Sep 15 1994 16:355
    
    Good luck Andy. I've really enjoyed the inter-Roses rivallry.
    
    Paul.
     
202.641GENIE::GOODEJThu Sep 15 1994 17:2410
    
    Good luck Andy, this is a sad day for the notes conference, on a par
    with the time Cunno missed a day on the sick! You're northerner's wit
    will be sorely missed.
    
    JBG
    
    Ps. will Anders still be suing you're account after you've left??
    
    8-)
202.642ta-taIRNBRU::HOWARDJune18-94, the Italian JobThu Sep 15 1994 17:406
    the McEwans Alliance loses one of its founding fathers....keep a cool
    head Andy....
    
    let us know if you get an Internet account in your next life....
    
    Ray....
202.643GENIE::GOODEJThu Sep 15 1994 17:583
    
    Could we change this note to "What the hell happened to Andy Green"?
    8-)
202.644TaraNSIC00::ROLLITTHey, I though you were killed in a crashThu Sep 15 1994 18:396
    Thanks Andy Greene
    
    I imagined you as a tall chap with blond hair going slightly bald. Now
    I'll probably never know. BEst of luck to you and yours
    
    Simon
202.645And then there were ..... ?GENIE::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Fri Sep 16 1994 15:4515
    Andy,                                            
    
    It's sad to see another one bite the dust. Who's going to give us
    intelligent reports on the goings-on at Ewood from now on ? I'm sorry 
    if I've been to harsh on your team. I know that you hoped I might one 
    day declare myself to be a Rovers fan, but I'm afraid Tuesday night 
    has put paid to that for another while. Is there any truth to the 
    rumour that you're leaving DEC to take over as manager at a part-time 
    Swedish first division side ?
    
    Best of luck to you in whatever you do,
    
    Jerry.
    
    P.S.:  I still reckon that David May is a plant !
202.646PAVONE::TURNERFri Sep 16 1994 17:3217
    >I imagined you as a tall chap with blond hair going slightly bald...
    
    ...and an accent that makes "cut" rhyme with "foot" ;-)
    
    Best of luck, Andy. We'll miss your witty and knowledgeable entries
    (yeah, even the ones in the Mancs. note!), but I'm sure we'll hear from you
    again if Blackburn ever make it back into the big time. Not that last
    Tuesday was anything more than a hiccup, of course. Why, the great
    Manchester United team actually went on to win the premiership after
    being knocked out of Europe at an early stage ;-)
    
    Seriously, look after yourself. And get in touch when Rovers come out
    to play in Milan (if by some miracle Inter make it past Aston Villa!).
    
    Yours from an armchair,
    	
                      Dom
202.647Not Nordic!MUGGER::NORTHFri Sep 16 1994 20:355
    Well I can describe Andy Green, He's fairly squat with a tash and hair
    with a reddish ting, ugly looking feller - and I always thought cut and
    foot rhymed anyway!
    
    Gareth :>
202.648Best Wishes AndyESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Fri Sep 16 1994 21:085
202.6493rd in a row - that's a long time awayUPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnFri Sep 16 1994 21:147
>     Best of luck in what ever you do, and it a pity you won't be around
>when the mancs win their third title in a row:-)
    
    You saw it here first: Andy Green is immortal!
    
    Paul.
    
202.650TRUCKS::SANTcomfortably numb...Mon Sep 19 1994 14:189
    
    	Probably too late by now, but if you're still here Andy good luck
    	and thanks for your contributions in here since Blackburn arose
    	from the wilderness two years ago.
    
    	If you're as ugly as they say then you'll be tough to spot at Ewood
    	Park, but next time I'm there I'll look out just in case ;-)
             
    	Andy.
202.651and now there only 1??WOTVAX::NORTHSTue Sep 20 1994 17:4112
    
    Andy,
    
    How can you desert me to fight the Mancs on my own.
    
    I hope everything works out for you.
    
    Keep the Walkersteel singing and I'll see you about Ewood.
    
    
    Stephen
    
202.652wembley here we comeWOTVAX::NORTHSWed Sep 21 1994 16:4434
    
    
    Rovers 2  Birmingham  0
     
     Wilcox
     Sutton
    
    
    This was quite an open and entertaining game.  Birmingham came to 
    Ewood to try to play football and not just defend.  The Rovers 
    played very well, even without Shearer and Gayle.
    
    Although it was level at half time the rovers had created a hatfull of
    chances and it was only a matter of time before they got the
    breakthough.  
    
    Both goals came from headers, first Wilcox and then Sutton.
    
    Birmingham played very well, passed the ball about well but lacked the
    power up front to trouble the rovers defence.
    
    
    I would think that 2-0 should see us through to the next round.
    
    Shearer missed the game due to a slight ankle injury but should be fit
    for Saturday for the home game against Villa.
    
    
    regards
    Stephen
    
    
    
    
202.653GENIE::GOODEJTue Sep 27 1994 12:5514
    
    	In the absence of Andy Green.......
    
    	The Rovers took Villa apart on Saturday with a 3 : 0 win at
    'E-would park (ok, so Villa got a soft consolation goal on 90 minutes).
    The dynamic duo Shearer & Sutton set up goals for each other and look
    like forging another great attacking partnership......along the lines
    of
    
    	Beardsley & Cole, Roy & Colleymore, Jon & Jerry etc 8-)
    
    	Anyway, 'twas a convincing win.
    
    JBG 
202.654PAKORA::GPIKEWed Sep 28 1994 03:295
    
    
    Trelleborg   2   Blackburn  2
    
    oot at the first hurdle.  %^%*^&*T&(T@#$@KS
202.656PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCWed Sep 28 1994 10:5413
    
    Have you ever seen a more inept performance from an English club in
    Europe..? I cannot believe that KD employed exactly the same tactics
    that failed in the first leg, namely the good old punt up the middle.
    You would think that with all his experience playing for Liverpool in
    Europe he would have realised that something more is needed than that,
    even to break down part timers with 10 men.
    
    I have'nt seen a great deal of Blackburn, but whenever they are on TV
    they seem to play a normal passing game, so why change in Europe,
    escpecially when it didnt work in the first leg.
    
    Dave...
202.657Yer Oot....and yer crap!PAKORA::JJACKCoca-Cola Red Hot CelticWed Sep 28 1994 10:5510
202.658sutton hoo? (sorry archaeology lovers!)COMICS::HAWLEYIMr Flibble is very crossWed Sep 28 1994 12:1811
    
    Ive got to agree, I think Sutton is the biggest waste of money since
    Gascoigne. His support play wasnt even amateur standard and although he
    scored I didnt really see him do anything else apart from try and do a
    clever flick and give the ball away! (x2)
    
    A very disappointing performance and good luck to Trelleborgs in the
    next round, they were poor as well last night but at least they seemed
    to have more ideas.
    
    Ian.
202.659TRUCKS::SANTcomfortably numb...Wed Sep 28 1994 12:414
    
    	If only Andy Greene were here to give us his views...
    
    	Andy.
202.660UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnWed Sep 28 1994 12:546
    I think Andy saw the writing on the wall. But to take VR just to get
    out of all the flak that would come his way in here was a bit extreme I
    thought.
    
    Paul.
    
202.661FORTY2::FOWLERMIn Bigshorts We TrustWed Sep 28 1994 13:066
Any bets on how long it'll be before Dalglish buys that Swedish striker
(Carlson?)?

Oh what joy. Now if only Galatasaray could stuff Man Utd tonight.... 8-)


Mike
202.662Bad reputation loomingNSIC00::ROLLITTShe ... ughWed Sep 28 1994 13:1713
    What is disturbing is that those Europeans out there (here) that saw
    the match will think Blackburn's play represents English play in
    general and will dismiss English football as having progressed at all.
    
    Arsenal came away with a European cup last year and a reputation for
    tough play. Blackburn too played tough - shoving, holding, backing,
    lunging, aggressive in general and it was only because of a lenient
    Dutch ref that they didn't get plenty of cards.
    
    Let's hope no-one watched this match and tuned in to the Toon v Antwerp
    instead
    
    Simon
202.663still dreamingWOTVAX::NORTHSWed Sep 28 1994 13:5118
    
    I still can't believe last night.
    
    Every week in the premiership we play good creative attacking football,
    keep the ball on the deck and use both flanks.
    
    In Europe, we resort to the big boot up front and hope for the best.
    
    Trelleborg, deserved to win and good luck to them.
           
    Now I'm glad that I didn't fork out 200 quid to go last night - then I
    would be pi--ed off.
    
    Looking forward, we just have to oforget this nightmare and get back
    to looking at the next game at Norwich on Saturday.
    
    regards
    Stephen
202.664GENIE::GOODEJWed Sep 28 1994 14:328
    
    Dalglish has something to answer for here. Lets face it, Blackburn are
    playing well in the Premier and should really have gone further in
    Europe. Not only do Blackburn loose revenue, more importantly their
    defeat will not help with places for English clubs in seasons to come
    ......unless Villa win through to meet Newcastle in the final! 8-)
    
    JBG
202.665the result IS a reflection on Premiership footballMOVIES::PATTISONIan PattisonWed Sep 28 1994 16:1915
    surely Blackburn's performance over the two legs IS a reflection of the
    general standard of football in the Premier league.
    
    A top Premier team, who some say play attractive footie in league
    matches, were unable to play a passing game against a European team;
    they had to resort to the big hump.
    
    The fact that Blackburn play a passing game in the Premiership is
    more a reflection of the poor opposition that they play week in week out.
    
    Sweden are a good footballing nation with a national team which reached
    the World Cup semis. Why do people think a club from such a country
    would be a push-over? Arrogance is the answer!
    
    --ian 
202.666PEKING::COSSEYNWed Sep 28 1994 16:206
    
    Re:.665
    
    Scottish are you....
    
    Neil..
202.667Whats this...???MUFC::TONYWed Sep 28 1994 16:236
Was that another kit for Blackburn that I saw last night..??

tat...tat...tat.. and I suppose is always Man Utd who exploit their fans..!!


Tony :)
202.668Dalglish is totally responsible for this.PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCWed Sep 28 1994 16:2818
    
    Re-1
    
    If that is the case, how do you explain Man Utd beating the Swedish 
    Champions 4-2, and Newcastle's results against Antwerp, who are a far
    stronger side than Trellborg.
    
    Blackburn resulted to last night's play, because they have the most
    overated manager in Football, who clearly showed last night when it
    comes to tactics, he is clueless, and he owes his limited success at
    Blackburn  ( if you can call qualifiying for Europe success ) to the 
    chequebook of his chairman.
    
    .....and before anyone babbles on about doubles at Liverpool, that was
    with an already highly successfull team handed to him by Bob Pailsey 
    with the help of Joe Fagin.
    
    Dave...
202.669GENIE::GOODEJWed Sep 28 1994 16:3115
    
    Re .665
    
    	the reason we expected to Blackburn to win had nothing to do with
    the fact that the opposition were Swedish, simply that they are
    part-timers. If the fact that Blackburn couldn't play thier normal
    passing game is supposed to reflect badly on English (and Welsh....were
    in the same league 8-) no really, I'm only kidding) football, how does
    Newcastle's performance fit the picture.
    	Dalglish used the wrong tactics - he was naive IMO. Its a pity
    Blackburn are out, but its only one result and overall I think the
    English teams will do themselves and the Premier justice....... which
    is to say, you're wrong! 8-)
    
    JBG
202.670SpookySHIPS::EDWARDS_DWed Sep 28 1994 16:395
    Perhaps it's a fiendishplot by dalglish to bring down English football. 
    He sells May to Man Utd - we all know what their defence has been like
    this season - he deploys unbelievable tactics against the Swedes .....
    Next, he'll be phoning KK for a chat about the good old days "In the
    next round Kevin, why don't you try Cole as a centre-back ?"
202.671TRUCKS::SANTcomfortably numb...Wed Sep 28 1994 17:074
    
    	No. Dave Wilson in .668 has the answer.
    
    	Andy.
202.672Too TrueUBOHUB::HUTCHINGS_PManchester CityWed Sep 28 1994 17:177
    re .671
    
    Hear hear..!!
    
    The best note I've read for ages...
    
    Hutch
202.673The secret of failureWOTVAX::HARDYPThu Sep 29 1994 12:3622
    Chaps,
    
    Don't blame the managers or the players for the result. The success of
    the English teams was inversly proportional to the length of their
    shorts.
    
    Blackburn had shorts down to their knees and we all know what happened
    there. Did no-one else see Shearer spending half his time pulling his
    kit back up? 
    
    Man U had only slightly silly shorts (apart from Paul Parker who looked
    like he'd neen auditioning for Oliver Twist) and got a draw.
    
    Newcastle had sensible gear on and won easily. 
    
    Simple!
    
    Peter
    
    
    
    
202.674The long and the short of it!PAVONE::TURNERThu Sep 29 1994 12:507
    re: .673
    Oh well, makes more sense than .665 I suppose...
    
    Incidentally, Juventus wear the longest shorts I've ever seen and
    they've been going through a pretty bad patch in recent years ;-)
    
    Dom
202.675Wha??UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnThu Sep 29 1994 20:348
    The Grauniad is at it again. I thought that they'd gone all
    computerised to get rid of all the typo's. Well how about this one in
    todays edition.
    
    "Rovers badly miss Batty's creativity in midfield".
    
    Paul.
    
202.676could it be sarcasm??YUPPY::PANESSurly to bed, surly to riseFri Sep 30 1994 11:370
202.677UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnFri Sep 30 1994 11:469
    No Stuart, sadly I think they were serious. I know Batty has improved
    considerably from his time at Leeds (Leeds, Leeds) but "missing his
    creativity" is stretching it a bit!!
    
    Paul.
    
    PS. I'm surprised you're daring to even enter any notes after the
    mauling you got at the hands of Mr. (B)Long in note 32 yesterday. That
    bloke can *really* turn nasty can't he? 
202.678when the going gets tough.....YUPPY::PANESSurly to bed, surly to riseFri Sep 30 1994 12:0217
     <<< Note 202.677 by UPROAR::LEMP "We danced the Lumbago till dawn" >>>

    
    
>    PS. I'm surprised you're daring to even enter any notes after the
>    mauling you got at the hands of Mr. (B)Long in note 32 yesterday. That
>    bloke can *really* turn nasty can't he? 

     Paul,

     I'd be lieing to you if I said that I slept easy and had an untroubled
     night, but I guess if you mess with the big boys you've got to expect
     to get a bruising once in a while. I am taking a fortnight off work , and
     I hope that I will be fully recovered by the time I get back.


     Stuart
202.679Misery complete eh??MOVIES::PLAYFORDKevin @ EDO-13 [DTN:824-3394]Mon Oct 03 1994 12:4611
Well after the much deserved exit from Europe with the appalling
performances against Trelleborgs, both home and away, its good
to see the form continued in the League.

Norwich		2 - 1	Blackburn
Bowen			Sutton
Newsome

regards
/Kev (a gloating City fan)
202.680Blue ArmyWOTVAX::NORTHSThu Oct 06 1994 15:3533
    
    Having been busy at quarter-end this is the first chance to read the
    notes in recent days.
    
    After the trelleborg defeat, it was important to put in a good
    performance against Norwich.  By all accounts, the performance was good
    unfortuantley the result wasn't.  I think the winning Norwich goal just
    about summed up our week.
    
    Mid week, we travelled to Birmingham, already 2-0 up from the first
    leg.  Although Birmingham did pull back a quick goal, their own manager
    admitted that if it wasn't for their goalkeeper they would have been
    buried by halftime.  Sutton scored in the second half and the match
    finished 1-1, 3-1 overall.
    
    The cup draw this morning has matched us with Coventry at Ewood, which
    at least is the sort of draw that you want.  At least we know what we
    are up against.
    
    Looking forward to Sunday, and the game of the week.  Newcastle v
    Rovers.  I think that this has got all the making of a classic.  Two
    fantasitic forward lines, strong midfielders, and two teams that will
    be going for the win.  I think this could go either way.
    
    Ewood is now finished, from a seating point of view, 31000 capacity,
    and looking at the next few games at home it should be bursting at the
    seams; Liverpool and Man Utd (already sold out).
    
    Who said Blackburn have no fans.
    
    
    regards
    Stephen
202.681back on trackWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Oct 10 1994 16:2528
    
    
    			Newcastle 1   Rovers  1
    
    Although the result was disappointing in view of Newcastle's late
    equaliser, the was great to see the Rovers play the sort of football
    that we have grwon used to at Ewood.
    
    I thought the overall game was excellient, with both sides playing
    attacking football, but the best chances fell to the Blues.  I
    understand that Newcastle keeper got the man of the match award-  that
    says alot about the game.
    
    Kenny swapped things about abit, putting Warhurst to partner Hendry in
    central defence, this enabled us have a bit more pace in the centre and
    worked a treat.
    
    In my view, the only weak link in the rovers yesterday, was Atkins.  I
    know he trys but he is just not a top class midfielder and I can't wait
    for Slater to regain his spot, while we await the return of Batty.
    
    Two home games next for the Rovers. Liverpool on Saturday and the Man
    Utd the following Sunday.
    
    regards
    Stephen 
    
    
202.682WOTVAX::NORTHSFri Oct 14 1994 12:433
    
    
    
202.683very profound!\CHEFS::STRATFORDSFri Oct 14 1994 12:511
    
202.684Loadsa MoneyWOTVAX::NORTHSFri Oct 14 1994 13:128
    
    Just heard that we've bought Jason McAtier from Bolton for 3.5m
    
    This should help strengthen the squad and put some pressure on the
    wingers to perform.
    
    
    Stephen
202.685WOTVAX::NORTHSMon Oct 17 1994 14:4932
    
    Hi,
    
    It now seems that the Jason Mcintier transfer is not true although it
    did manage to get reported on National Radio.  So for now he remains
    at Sunny Bolton.
    
    
    		Rovers 3	Liverpool  2
    
    
    What a game, Brilliant entertainment from two excelliant sides.
    
    Goals by  Fowler   0-1
              Atkins   1-1
    	      Sutton   2-1
    	      Barnes   2-2
    	      Sutton   3-2
    
    In the end, after a standing ovation by both sets of fans we just edged
    the victory, but Liverpool must feel very downhearted after their 
    performance.
    
    Rovers were without Sherwood but played Warhurst in midfielder and he
    was my Man of the Match.  Other plus points, the return of Gayle in the
    defence after 3 games out and the continued glut of goals from Sutton.
    
    Next Sunday we play Man Utd at Ewood.
    
    regards
    Stephen
           
202.686UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnWed Oct 19 1994 12:516
    Don't know if anyone's interested but Trelleborg are proving to be
    tougher than everyone expected. Lazio could only manage a goalless
    draw with them in Sweden last night.
    
    Paul.
    
202.687Don't kid yourselves, Trelleborg are crap :-)STKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeWed Oct 19 1994 14:1116
    
>    Don't know if anyone's interested but Trelleborg are proving to be
>    tougher than everyone expected. Lazio could only manage a goalless
>    draw with them in Sweden last night.
    
    Italian teams have a habit of not over-doing it. Im pretty sure they'll
    beat Trelleborg by the margin necessary at home (probably 1-0 from a
    dodgy penalty).
    
    FYI, Trelleborg play their last game in the Swedish league this
    weekend. If they lose they risk having to play in the relegation
    play-offs.
    
    cheers,
    
    	Stefan
202.688Pretty scrappy game though...PAVONE::IDC_CASEWed Oct 19 1994 14:4512
202.689PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURMon Oct 24 1994 11:0014
    
    The ref made sure that Blackburns home run come to an end yesterday 
    when sending off Henningberg was sent off for bringing down Sharpe
    in the box. Henning Berg clearly took the ball first and then him and 
    Sharpe fell to the ground..  The ref refused to comment after the game,
    which shows what a wa**er he really is.... He should be hung up
    by his Bo***cks....
    
    No wonder the Queen hates Manchester, them and the refs really
    get up your nose....
    
    Andy..B 
    
    
202.690PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCMon Oct 24 1994 12:1119
    
    I'm getting f*cked off with the way the refs get abused after every
    game on TV now. They have a split second to make a decision, and make 
    it, its always been the same. That is football, bad decisions are part
    of the game, but suddenly now its an hour discussion and every possible
    TV angle to show that the ref made a mistake. Talk of stopping the game
    and looking at replays, what..?, maybe all the players should dress up
    in fancy dress with shoulder pads and a big helmet and pick up the ball
    and run around with it. 
    
    The ref saw a foul, gave a penalty, and under the new laws, Berg was sent 
    off, end of story....not anymore. 
    
    Mind you, when Blackburn are involved, you can expect the SKY mob to
    start crying when anything goes against them.
    
    Great game though....both sides played well.
    
    Dave...
202.691PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURMon Oct 24 1994 11:2511
202.692SHIPS::EDWARDS_DMon Oct 24 1994 12:2919
    re: last 2
    
    I think you're both right - the ref does only get a split-second to
    make a decision and makes what he thinks at the time is the right
    decision.  But he was absolute crap yesterday.  For once in my life I
    found myself agreeing with Kenny "Smiler" Dalglish when he said
    something along the lines that video should be used to examine ALL
    controversial decisions.  Refs NEVER get criticised by the FA.  They
    should re-run the tape of the game, see that Berg is innocent and
    revoke the ban.  Bans are imposed on the basis of video evidence.  Why
    not take them away as well ?
    
    As regards the match, I thought it was an excellent game.  Utd handled
    the situation well.  It's not always easy to play against 10 men but I
    thought Utd were superb.  I think that the 2nd equaliser knocked
    Blackburn back more than the sending-off. From that moment, there was
    only really one winner.  
    
    Dave
202.693PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCMon Oct 24 1994 12:429
    
    I'd agree that Berg should not be banned on appeal, its the changing of
    the refs decision during games using Video evidence that I dont agree
    with, and the way the decisions are annalysed by TV. 
    
    Why should we change something that has worked ok since the game
    started, the referee's decisions are part of the game, good or bad.
    
    Dave...
202.694SHIPS::EDWARDS_DMon Oct 24 1994 12:529
    I don't think we should use video evidence during a game, but the game
    is a lot faster nowadays, and a lot of the problems are caused by a
    "slow" ref.  Linesmen are supposed to compensate for that, but I would
    imagine that the Berg "offence" was on the blind-side of the linesmen.
    When the stakes are so high, the emphasis must be on refs getting the
    majoprity of decisions correct, not on booking players because they
    kick the ball away 2 yards !!!!!!!!!
    
    Dave
202.695WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringMon Oct 24 1994 13:168
    re last few,
    
    So Bruce's booking for a tackle that wasn't even a foul should be
    revoked? Cantana's sending off against Arsenal last year should be
    pardoned?
    
    The FA couldn't keep up with it if every booking or sending off was
    appealed. 
202.696Who's the ba---ard in the greenWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Oct 24 1994 15:0460
    
    I'm going to find it quite hard to put my feelings into words about
    yesterdays match.
    
    I realise that referees have a hard job but something has to be done
    about these terrible decisions that are being made.
    
    My seat is behind the goal were the penalty was given, and how a
    referee who is 20 yards behind play can give a penalty and then send
    off a player for the challange is disgraceful.  We are told that this
    season referees will be demoted if they make bad decisions, well, Mr
    Ashby should be refereeing Sunday morning football.
    
    I am sure that Berg will have his suspension quashed but that doesn't
    take away the fact that that decision changed the whole game and cost
    us 3 vital points.
    
    Looking at the game;  the first half was all Rovers and they took a
    deserved lead when Warhurst chipped the keeper from 20 yards after
    Schemcial had gone walkabout.  It was a good entertaining game in a
    great atmosphere and everything was looking great until the REFEREE
    FROM HELL decided to make the worst decision you are likely to see.
    Sharp was put through, and as he approached the goal he lost control of
    the ball and Berg slid in and put the ball behind for a corner.  The
    ref decided that Berg had brought Sharp down; who wasn't even appealing
    for a penalty; and then sent off Berg.  Cantona converted the spotkick.
    
    In the second half, Kenny switched things around, moving Sutton back to
    defence and putting Warhurst at right back.  This was a move which had
    worked earlier in the season against Arsenal when wilcox had been sent
    off.
    
    Things looked up when Hendry headed the Rovers ahead 2 minutes into the
    second half, but our lead didn't last long.  Within 2 minutes Kanch----
    (I can't spell) who is without doubt United's best player, brought the
    score back to 2-2 with a left foot strike.
    
    Things then went from bad to worse when Le Saux played a dreadful ball
    into the path of Hughes, who chipped the ball over a stranded Flowers.
    
    All the Rovers could do then was try to salvage a point and it was
    envitable that United would score a fourth.
    
    
    Overall, I can't complain about the Rovers performance.  We ran the
    show for 44 minutes and it was then taken out of our hands.  United
    then had the upper hand and played well in the second half against our
    ten men, who ran their hearts out for the club and fans.    
    
    
    We must now forget about this game, and concentrate on Coventry on
    Wednesday in the Coke cup and them make sure we get something out of
    the gane at Forest on Saturday.
    
    I hope Gerald Ashby; THE REFEREE FROM HELL; is haunted by this game
    forever, and god help him the next time he visits Ewood.
    
    Regards
    Stephen	
    
202.697SHIPS::EDWARDS_DMon Oct 24 1994 14:1416
    Stephen,
    
    I think you've hit the nail on the head when you comment about the ref
    being 20 yards behind the play.  From that distance it may have looked
    like a clumsy challenge.  This is not to excuse the decision, merely to
    highlight the fact that the game is now too quick for most referees to
    keep up with the play.  Having said all that, it is ONLY 3 pts -
    different teams will have breaks at various stages throughout the
    season.  I doubt very much that Ashby will be "haunted" by his
    decision.  He made his decision on the spur of the moment, unaided by
    countless replays of the incident.  I still thought Blackburn were more
    than in the game, especially at 2-1.  The KanKan (I can't spell his
    name either) equaliser was a huge blow and I think that finished you
    off.
    
    Dave
202.698referees need helpWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Oct 24 1994 14:2224
    
    Dave,
    
    I've never been in agreement about the fourth official argument watching
    replays  of borderline decisions, but something needs to be done to
    stop these decisions.
    
    I know that referee's are human and that they can make mistakes but
    they have to realise the football is now a multi-million pound industry
    and ans extra 3 points at the end of season could mean millions (if it 
    qualifys the team for Europe etc)
    
    
    regards
    Stephen 
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
202.699CHEFS::GEORGEMEveryone thinks he looks daftMon Oct 24 1994 14:3216
Just to add my two penneth worth...

If players are allowed to make mistakes, why aren't referees?  We expect players 
to make a duff pass, or a crap shot etc., and they get paid millions.  Refs 
aren't the making of 3 points, the players are.  If we go down the road of 
having video-refs, it'll mean that you can only enforce it in the premier 
league, or at clubs with relatively big budgets.   This will be unfair, seeing 
as just as many refereeing errors occur in all divisions, and the decisions are 
as important to these clubs as they are to PL sides.  I don't want football to 
end up like American "Football", where there are massive pauses while some 
bloke watches a video and radios his decision down to the ref.  It all adds to 
taking the natural feel out of football.  The rule changes made a couple of 
seasons ago were meant to keep football flowing.  Adding a fourth official will 
just slow it back down.  By all means use video in appeals, violence cases 
etc., but this should be confined to after-match analysis, and not during the 
play.
202.700Let the money ruleSTKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeMon Oct 24 1994 15:3714
    
    
>    I know that referee's are human and that they can make mistakes but
>    they have to realise the football is now a multi-million pound industry
>    and ans extra 3 points at the end of season could mean millions (if it 
>    qualifys the team for Europe etc)
    
    Exactly, and the clubs with the most money should get the most points.
    Why put success in the hands of chance elements like play on the field
    and ref's decisions? Substitute the refs for chartered accountans.
    
    cheers,
    
    	Stefan
202.701too lateWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Oct 24 1994 15:377
    
    "By all means use videos in appeals"
    
    
    The problem is by this time the damage has been done.
    
    
202.702CHEFS::GEORGEMEveryone thinks he looks daftMon Oct 24 1994 15:4611
What damage?  Do you mean to the player?  If you do, then a referee isn't likely 
to fix a player's broken shin by watching it on video and sending the other 
player off.

If you mean the 3 points damage, then so be it.  The beauty of football is it's 
natural element.  It has fewer stoppages than many sports because it's allowed 
to carry flair.  For as long as referees are prepared to shoulder the 
responsibility of being in charge of a match, let them.  We must all accept that  
mistakes will happen, and that humans have a subjective element within.  As 
someone has already said...every team receives a lucky break and an unlucky one 
during a season.  It's all part of the intrigue.  
202.703SHIPS::EDWARDS_DMon Oct 24 1994 16:0611
    Why not have 2 refs ON the pitch - one for each half ?  Lessens the
    risk of refs being unable to keep pace.  Also, why not make refs
    fully-professional, at least initially for the top league(s).  There is
    a lot of money in football - if Blackburn/Utd/newcastle etc are
    whinging about the potential loss of pts due to ref error, then I'm
    sure they wouldn't mind investing some of that money in professional
    referees.  We might even get some refs who are under 50 !!!!!!  They
    could meet weekly to review performances/problems etc and perhaps
    introduce some bloody consistency. 
    
    Dave
202.704Full time refs??UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnMon Oct 24 1994 15:076
    Are referees still part-time? With all the money knocking around in
    football, especially at the higher levels, referees could be given a
    reasonable standard of living from officiating matches.
    
    Paul.
    
202.705UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnMon Oct 24 1994 15:1311
    Sorry, what I meant was that by paying for full-time referees and
    giving them continual training and assessment would attract more people
    into the job and ensure that only the better ones would take on the
    most important matches. I think this would lead to less controversial
    decisions because the refs would be fitter (hopefully), better trained
    and better informed about the current legislation.
    
    Just a thought,
    
    Paul.
    
202.706Just a thought!WOTVAX::HARDYPMon Oct 24 1994 15:1510
    Chaps,
    
    I bet Le Saux is keeping quiet. I wonder what really LOST the game, the
    ref or the pass?
    
    And if Blacburn hadn't lost, would you all be after Scmicheal, who was
    at fault for both goals?
    
    Peter
    
202.707CHEFS::STRATFORDSMon Oct 24 1994 16:346
    Did the linesman give a penalty? He must have been the closest official
    to the incident and presumably, the referee would have checked with him
    before giving the decision, or is it just me being quaint and
    old-fashioned in expecting the officials to communicate?
    
    Stuart
202.708greetin wainsISIDRO::BREADIEMon Oct 24 1994 15:389
    What a lot of utter bullshit !
    
    The penalty was absoltely blatant.  Sharpe was taken out the game
    deliberately and it was pure co-incidence that the foreign chappy hit
    the ball.
    
    The supporters of Dalgleish sure have the same miopic view as he does.
    
    No wonder the never win any trophies.
202.709XSTACY::PHAYDENMon Oct 24 1994 16:5522
1/ There is a camera at every single Premier League game every weekend anyway so
extra expense is minimal and probably would be welcomed by the clubs.

2/ If it is left up to the Ref. ( in a situation where he is in doubt about a
descision ) whether to call on the 4th official I can't see that it can slow the
game down any more than a consultation with a linesman. We have replays seconds
after an incident occurs anyway. If we can see the T.V view and castigate the
official why can't the ref use video evidence to protect himself and ensure that
he does a better job.

In the end the extra effort is worth it. You can't maintain that the injustice
in having to play with 10 men or having a vital goal disallowed is excused
because a one to one minute view of video evidence would have slowed the game.
You said yourselves that the game had very few stoppages for fouls anyway.

Just think, In 1966 that goal would have been disallowed because the evidence
was inconclusive and still is. Germany would have gone on to win the Cup and the
world would be a better place.
What better reason do you need ? ;-) I rest my case.


Peter.
202.710sorry for the diatribe but...COMICS::HAWLEYIYou ain't seen me...roit?!Mon Oct 24 1994 16:0030
    > Sharpe was taken out the game deliberately 
    
    hmmm...i'll bet Henning Berg thought: 
    
    "hey, I know what i'll do, i'll rattle the b*stard and give the Mancs a 
     penalty and get meself sent off"
    
    If you clatter people you get sent off, fined and you probably give away 
    a goal. 
    No professional footballer is going to deliberately hammer an opponent 
    these days are they?
    
    This is an annoying trend in sport the world over, everyones so scared
    of someone getting hurt whilst playing a sport, be it boxing, football
    or whatever. i've said it before and i'll say it again, if you can't take
    the knocks you shouldnt be out there earning X thousand quid a game. 
    
    Because of this trend the referees are giving red-cards willy-nilly to
    stop people getting hurt. they have embarked on a "prevention is better
    than cure" campaign that involves waving the red if they are in doubt.
    
    Eventually, defenders will get the message and stop attemping to injure
    people in the penalty area. unfortunately, because of this
    inconsistency, they will also stop attempting to TACKLE people in the
    penalty area!!! Then there will be no point in having defenders at all!
    
    grrr!
    
    Ian.
    
202.711CHEFS::GEORGEMEveryone thinks he looks daftMon Oct 24 1994 17:0817
I know!  Why not give all the players crash helmets, strap them up with Joan 
Collins-style shoulder pads, give them full length trousers, so they don't graze 
their knees or anything.  Make them tuck their trousers in their socks, 
introduce IBM/Digital bionic referee, and call time-outs whenever the ref is a 
bit unsure.  Also, if we changed the shape of the ball to a more player friendly 
oval shape (less chance of slipping on it), and gave the teams names like 
Manchester Moguls and the Liverpool Layabouts, we'd have solved all the 
problems!








Oh.  Hang on....that's been done, hasn't it?
202.712GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Mon Oct 24 1994 17:1117
    
    Ian,
    
    	I disagree that defenders will get soft. Many will have to clean up
    their games - shirt tugging / leaning / ankle taps etc are simply not
    going to be tolerated. We are currently in a learning phase - both
    players & ref's have to get used to the new rules. I think in the long
    run the ref's will make better decisions, football will be a cleaner
    game (career threatening injuries will decline) and the art of
    defending will reach an all time high! Le Saux's sliding tackle in the
    penalty area was an absolute beauty. Defenders will have to learn (ie.
    practice) the art of fair tackles. Its all a question of timing. Once
    you've got that right you can vary the amount of force in proportion to
    how much you want to let your opponent know not to try to go past you
    again! 8-)
    
    JBG
202.713 Video Nasty'sWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Oct 24 1994 16:4014
    
    I agree that mistakes will happen.
    
    But what was to stop the referee looking at the challenge at half-time
    and admitting he had made a mistake.
    
    OK, the penalty and goal would stand, but at least he could have
    re-instated Berg for the 2nd half, we would have kept our formation
    that outplayed Utd in the first half and beaten them anyway.
    
    Maybe I'm just bitter.
    
    Regards
    Stephen
202.714calmed down nowCOMICS::HAWLEYIYou ain't seen me...roit?!Mon Oct 24 1994 17:064
    
    What about sin-binning players instead of sending them off completely?
    
    Ian.
202.715WOTVAX::NORTHSMon Oct 24 1994 17:432
    
    Sin0Binning
202.716How about a 5th official in case the 4th one screws up too ;-)GENIE::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Mon Oct 24 1994 17:4744
    Re: .713
    
>    But what was to stop the referee looking at the challenge at half-time
>    and admitting he had made a mistake.
>    
>    OK, the penalty and goal would stand, but at least he could have
>    re-instated Berg for the 2nd half, we would have kept our formation
>    that outplayed Utd in the first half and beaten them anyway.
    
    And what then if the incident had occurred in the 46th minute. The ref
    could have re-instated Berg and then replayed the second half. 
    
    The sin bin idea is interesting. Bin players for three minutes while
    the game goes on and the video evidence is reviewed. If within three
    minutes the "fourth official" decides that the sending-off was
    unwarranted, then the player can be re-instated.
    
    However, the problem with this, and any other video review system, is
    that the "reviewer" needs to be a qualified referee. As things are 
    there seems to be a shortage of decent referees. Needing two for every
    game isn't going to help much.  Also, the reviewer really needs to
    communicate with the ref, so that he knows what the ref saw, or thought
    he saw.
    
    The fact remains that even with Video evidence, the decision is still
    subjective. I thought Le Saux deliberately stamped on Roy Keane's head
    when Keane slid in for a tackle on the right wing. Keane needed
    stitches after this incident. Andy Gray reckoned it was accidental. How
    do you decide ?
    
    I reckon we should just get on with the game as Blackburn did last
    night (OK, so they screamed and shouted a bit first, but they were
    entitled to feel a bit agrieved !). Anyone who plays/played football
    will have experienced crap decisions going either for them or against
    them. Hopefully, over time, they balance out, but it doesn't stop you
    (well me at least) from wanting to deck the blind f***er with the
    whistle when things go against you.  Before Jon gets in, I'll admit
    that what stops me is the fact that most refs are bigger than me ;-)   
    
    
    Anyway, at the end of the day I thought Berg was lucky to get away with
    a sending off - it could have been much worse ;-)
    
    Jerry.
202.717WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringMon Oct 24 1994 18:585
202.718;-)COMICS::HAWLEYIYou ain't seen me...roit?!Mon Oct 24 1994 19:1512
    
    > So young, so naive ....
        
    Take it in context with the previous 2 lines.
    If your likely to get sent off, fined and miss games, you are less
    likely to go steaming in purposefully trying to maim an opponent.
    
    Its like I dont tell DEC customers to poke off!
    Otherwise MY money supply might be cut off pretty damn sharpish!
    
    
    Ian.
202.719CHEFS::GEORGEMEveryone thinks he looks daftMon Oct 24 1994 19:188
202.720Still naive...CHEFS::STRATFORDSMon Oct 24 1994 20:2111
    Depends on the situation as to whether you steam in or not.
    
    If its a cup final in the last minute and you're the last defender and
    you're team are 1-0 up, I'm sorry but 99% of all people will hack
    someone and sod the consequences. Goalkeepers have a better chance of
    saving a penalty than a one-on-one because there is far more pressure
    on the penalty.
    
    Stuart
    (Graduate of the Willie Young school of defending 1980)
     
202.721GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Tue Oct 25 1994 10:548
    
    Jerry,
    
    	I believe there is already a 4th official at each game. He is there
    as a stand in referee in case some little guy decides to nut the real
    ref 8-)
    
    JBG
202.722And it's still only Tuesday ...GENIE::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Tue Oct 25 1994 13:0211
    re: -1
    
    as a stand in referee in case some little guy decides to nut the real
    ref
    
    
    What happens if the real ref is already a nut ?
    
    
    Jerry.
          
202.723Who's a nutWOTVAX::NORTHSTue Oct 25 1994 16:277
    
    
    Are we talking about a certain Gerald Ashby again????
    
    Stephen
    Kennys Barmy Army
    
202.724 ;-) GENIE::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Tue Oct 25 1994 16:539
    Re: -1
    
>    Are we talking about a certain Gerald Ashby again????
    
    
    Certainly not. I thought he was a great ref apart from that minor
    aberation when he booked poor old Steve Bruce for nothing !
    
    Jerry.
202.725You just can't beat a controversial decisionBLKPUD::STOCKMANSTue Oct 25 1994 18:269
re .723

Take the defeat like a man Stephen. Kenny & his barmy army were beat by
a superior side.
Let's face it, all these decisions swing in roundabouts. 
It just wasn't your day me ole chum!


Si
202.726Sing : 4-2 to the Champions, 4-2 to the ChampionsESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Tue Oct 25 1994 22:3411
202.727Bad luck for Berg, but s**t happens !GENIE::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Wed Oct 26 1994 11:2813
    It was a striaght red card. In spite of my slight (;-)) bias toward the
    best team in England, Manchester United, I felt that it was a pretty
    harsh decision. In fact, at the time, I thought Berg showed remarkable
    maturity in the way in which he accpeted the refs decision (i.e. the
    ref was still standing when Berg had left the pitch !).
    
    Another illustration of the sporting nature of the Blackburn people, is
    the flood of friendly invitations that Mr. Ashby has recieved to visit 
    Blackburn. Most came from local opticians, although one came from a
    local Vetinary Surgeon offer a service that I thought was reserved for
    wayward dogs ;-)
    
    Jerry. 
202.728GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Wed Oct 26 1994 11:3312
    
    Re .-1
    
    	just in case anyones wondering, Jerry's a shade overweight (as well
    as being short), & has a pronounced double chin. Honest......hence the
    
    
    
    				"(;-))"
    
    
    JBG 8-)
202.729I wasn't going to say anything but .......GENIE::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Wed Oct 26 1994 12:0918
    Well, he started it !!!
    
    Mr. Goode is in rather a foul humour these days. This rubbish about me
    being overweight is simply a childish attempt at revenge. The fact is
    that Mr. Goode hasn't been able to play very much football recently. He
    came out on Thursday two weeks ago but didn't actually take part in the
    game. The reason being that he injured himself while warming up. He
    denies it strenuously, but an eyewitness reports that the cause of the
    injury was a rather painful collision between Jon's belly and his left
    ankle. That'll teach him to keep his shirt tucked in in future !!!
    
    The other cause of his ill-humour is the fact that since last Friday
    evening he's been having to get up at about 4am each morning !!! I'm
    sure some of you will be able to figure out the reason.
    
    
    Jerry. 
          
202.730Mines a pepsiWOTVAX::NORTHSWed Oct 26 1994 13:4627
    
    Well, Sunday's forgotten (until Mr Ashby visits Ewood again)
    and tonight we play Coventry in the Coca-cola Cup at Ewood.
    
    If the players have got Sunday out of their system, we should prove 
    to strong for Coventry, although they have improved since we played
    them earlier in the season.
    
    I would expect the Rovers to be unchanged, with possibly young Lee
    Makel being given a place on the bench.
    
    Quite looking forward to tonight, as I have enchanged my normal seat
    for a seat in the new Jack Walker Stand as I'm taking the other half. 
    Maybe Jack will buy me a pie at half time?
    
    
    Looking back at Sunday, It's interesting that Alex Ferguson commented
    that Berg got to the ball first after he saw the video, but has since
    changed his mind now that he has learnt that the Rovers are appealing
    against the decision.  What ever happen to sportmanship.
    
    regards
    Stephen
    Kennys Barmy Army  
    
    
    
202.731:-)CHEFS::STRATFORDSWed Oct 26 1994 13:583
    Didn't you know that the ref for tonights game is Gerald Ashby
    (mischievious smiley type thing)
    
202.732It's only a game, after all.....TRUCKS::SANTFeed me, Seymour!!Wed Oct 26 1994 14:3719
    
    	The penalty decision on Sunday was appalling, no way should it
    	have been a spot-kick. But the ref decided it was, gave it,
    	stuck to his decision, which was based on HIS view. All very
    	cosy for Andy F*cki'n Gray to gave us his wonderful opinion...
    	he had the benefit of being 50 feet up in the air and seeing 37
    	different video angles in slo-mo. Anyway, he's a w@nker, so what
    	would you expect?
    
    	Face it - decisions go for you, and they go against you. Often
    	"top" sides are perceived to get the benefit more often than not.
    	This tends to be a good excuse for the green-eyed jealous types
    	to vent their spleen, and the genuinely hard-done-by supporters
    	(Mr North..) to rightly get indignant.
    
    	Tough break. Show you're a good sport and take it. These things
    	have a habit of evening out eventually.
    
    	Andy.
202.733very philosophical 8-)CHEFS::STRATFORDSWed Oct 26 1994 15:581
    
202.734WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringThu Oct 27 1994 12:193
    Wonder if Kenny will be moaning about the penalty that wasn't given
    last night, or that Sutton was offside when Shearer scored his second
    goal?
202.735;-)TRUCKS::SANTFeed me, Seymour!!Thu Oct 27 1994 12:457
    
    	Of course he will. He's so fair minded and reasonable he'll
    	probably even forfeit the tie...
    
    	On the other hand....
    
    	Andy.
202.736Wembley, WembleyWOTVAX::NORTHSThu Oct 27 1994 13:5933
    
    Rovers  2	Coventry  0
    
    
    On a very wet night in Blackburn, this game to be fair wasn't much
    better than the weather.
    
    The first half was fairly even with both sides having chances on a
    slippery pitch, but finished 0-0.
    
    The second livened up somewhat, with the Rovers pushing forward and
    they eventually got the goal.  Good pressure from both flanks led to a
    point-blank header from Shearer.
    
    The Rovers than started to dominate things and Shearer scored his
    second, after a wonderful turn and shot from 8 yards.
    
    To be fair to Coventry, they never gave up and they should have been
    awarded a penalty with 10 minutes to go when Gayle decked Dublin, but 
    the referee saw nothing wrong.  Perhaps he felt sorry for us from
    Sunday.  As it has been said in recent previous notes, these things
    normally even themselve out.
    
    
    The draw this morning has given us a home tie against Liverpool which
    is the tie of the round.  If the game against Liverpool is as good as
    our league game a fortnight ago it should be some night.
    
    
    Regards
    Stephen
    
    
202.737No 2 againWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Nov 07 1994 15:4729
    
    
    				Rovers 2   Spurs 0
    
    
    	I thought this game could have been quite tricky considering the events
    	at Spurs over the past few days.  It actually turned out to be a
    	quite confortable win for the Rovers without them really have to 
    	get into top gear.
    
    	Once Wilcox had put the Rovers ahead with a tap in after Shearers
    	shot hit the post there was only going to be one result.  Shearer 
    	added the second from the penalty spot after he was brought down
    	in the second half.
    
    	Spurs had few chances and many of their players looked
    	dis-interested.  Klinsman was probally their most active player.
    
    	Rovers have a couple of weeks off now due to internationals which
    	should help a couple of players. 
    
    	On the injury front, Newall is now fit and was sub on Saturday, and 
    	with both Batty and Galagher back in training, everything seems
    	to be coming together ready from the busy period over christmas.
    
    
    	regards
    	Stephen
                          
202.738Hendry handballYOUWOT::HOUSENWorld famous brick hypnotistMon Nov 07 1994 17:466
The referee looked a bit of a "homer" to me... I only saw the highlights but
it looked like he ignored a fairly blatant handball by Hendry, on the edge of
his box... Blackburn broke away and got the penalty for a foul on Shearer. As an
Arsenal fan, I think I can view this impartially!! 

Norman
202.739Live is bestWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Nov 07 1994 20:2712
    
    As was said after the Rovers/Man Utd game.  Refereeing decisions tend
    to even themselves out over the season.
    
    One week your hard done by, the next your not.
    
    Overall, the result was fair and I'm sure that there wouldn't be very
    many complaints fron the Spurs fans that were at the game.  Sometimes
    MOTD can give a mis-leading view of the match.
    
    regards
    Stephen
202.740Spanish SunshineWOTVAX::NORTHSWed Nov 09 1994 16:5919
    
    
    
    		Barcelona  1	Blackburn  3
    
    
    This game was played last night in Spain, and was a friendly which had
    been arranged for some time as there in a lapse in the league
    programme.  
    
    It is also expected that Barcelona will travel to Ewood next year for a
    friendly game for the official opening of the New Ewood Park Stands.
    
    Just for the record, Barcelona scored 2 own goals and Shearer got the 
    third.
    
    Regards
    Stephen
    
202.741WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringFri Nov 11 1994 15:581
    And manager's complain about too many games....
202.742Who ever thought Le Saux was any good...WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringThu Dec 01 1994 14:367
    Well its 11:30 and not one Stuart has entered an 'interesting' reply
    about the scuffles on the pitch last night.
    
    If a United player had reacted like Shearer or Fowler then there would
    have been a torrent of abuse by now.
    
    Wonder why not ....?
202.743mad commentatorCOMICS::HAWLEYIYou ain't seen me...roit?!Thu Dec 01 1994 14:4510
    
    Shearer must be a crazy man. You must be to grab Ruddocks throat.
    I loved the Meridian commentators comment about them being "the best
    friends in football" off-the-pitch and that "their wives will sort them
    out when they get home" or something like that.
    
    What was that bizarre comment about Van Gough as well?
    
    Ian.
    
202.744YUPPY::PANESI think therefore I ambientThu Dec 01 1994 14:4725
          <<< Note 202.742 by WARNUT::PICKERINGS "Simon Pickering" >>>
                 -< Who ever thought Le Saux was any good... >-

>    Well its 11:30 and not one Stuart has entered an 'interesting' reply
>    about the scuffles on the pitch last night.
    
>    If a United player had reacted like Shearer or Fowler then there would
>    have been a torrent of abuse by now.
    
>    Wonder why not ....?


If you are referring to me as "one Stuart", I am unfortunately unable to comment
as I didn't see the incident properly due to my journey back from  the San
Selhurst ( via The Clifton Arms ).

I suspect that Ferguson might see Ruddock as a future replacement for
Bruce, as he has that little bit of "United player" about him ( a la 
Ince/Hughes/Cantona).


Hugs,

Stuey

202.745Happy New Year from EwoodWOTVAX::NORTHSThu Jan 05 1995 16:1653
    
    Now that we've got over the mad quarter end rush, I think it's time to 
    resume the Blackburn note.
    
    It has been a wonderful christmas, played 3 won 3 although some of the
    performances have not been upto the normal standard.  We have now won
    11 of our last 12 premier league games.
    
    Results over christmas were as follows;
    
    
    	Man City  	1	Rovers  	3
    	Crystal Pal	0	Rovers  	1
    	Rovers 		4	West Ham	2
    
    	Rovers	v Leeds - Postponed due to a water-logged pitch
    
    
    This now puts us 3 points clear of United with a game in hand and
    a superiour goal difference.
    
    Kenny was taken ill on christmas eve and subsequently had an appendix 
    operation over christmas, therefore Ray Harford has been in control
    of team affairs over christmas.
    
    Shearer is now equal top of the goal scorers with Robbie Fowler.
    
    Rovers have been branded "boring" by some pundits which is quite 
    amazing when you consider the following;
    
    
    	Blackburn have scored more goals than anyone else this season.
    
    	At home they have averaged 3 goals a game
    
    	They have conceeded the fewest goals in the league this season.
    
    	They have the leading goal scorer in the division.
    
    	They have won 11 out of the last 12 premier matches.
    
    
    If this is boring football  - I love it.
    
    It's been a great 1994; Trelleborg apart; and I for one cannot
    wait for 1995, whatever it brings.
    
    Happy New Year to all you football supportors.
    
    Regards
    Stephen 
    	
                                   
202.746WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringTue Jan 10 1995 13:284
    Steve,
    
    Do the Rovers players think that by wearing their collars up we will
    mistake them all for Cantona?
202.747UPROAR::LEMPThere ain't no sanity clauseTue Jan 10 1995 13:439
    >Do the Rovers players think that by wearing their collars up we will
    >mistake them all for Cantona?
    
    Simon,
    
    Do all the Man Utd players think that by wearing blue and white stripes
    we will mistake them for Sheff Wed?
    
    Paul.
202.748Marching OnWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Jan 16 1995 16:2022
    
    	Rovers  3  Nott'm Forest  0
    
    
    This gamne wasn't a classic by any means but a 3-0 home win keeps us
    charging towards the premiership title.
    
    The first half was a case of Forest sitting back and then breaking and
    letting the Rovers attack them.  
    
    Once we had gone ahead from a deflected Warhurst shot, Forest had to
    try to attack themselves which allowed us to finish with a comfortable
    victory, if not a bit flattering.
    
    With United dropping points at Newcastle it now means that next
    Sunday's game at Old Trafford is more important to them than it is for
    us.
    
    We entertain Newcastle on Wednesday in the FA cup replay.
    
    Regards
    Stephen
202.749Somebody please buy Brian McClair !45769::EDWARDSDMon Jan 16 1995 17:5814
    Stephen,
    
    Although I hate to admit it, I think Blackurn are well-set for the
    title this season.  Saturday proved that they can cope without
    key-players and that perhaps their squad IS big enough to cope with the
    odd injury and/or suspension.  I really thought Utd had a chance to
    close the gap this weekend - I thought Jackburn would struggle at home,
    and that Utd would do the business over the toon army.  As you rightly
    said, Blackburn can be quite relaxed about next Sunday.  Even a defeat
    would not be too disastrous, whereas Utd have to win.  Ah well, here's
    hoping to extra-time, penalties and a few sendings-off on Wednesay
    night !!!!!!!!
    
    Dave
202.750Not bothered who wins it as long as its not ...AYOV29::DUTY93_MALCOoh, ooh, Mr PeevelyMon Jan 16 1995 18:309
    
    	We love you Blackburn, we do,
    	We love you Blackburn, we do,
    	We love you Blackburn, we do,
    	Oh Blackburn we love you.
    
    
    The neutrals (i.e. anti Man Utd) say just keep it going, guys.
    
202.751In the REDWOTVAX::NORTHSWed Jan 18 1995 16:0727
    
    I don't know if the following has been reported in the national press
    yet but yesterday the Rovers disclosed that they had made a 9m loss
    overall and a 1m operating loss (not including transfer) in the last
    financial year.
    
    Although this wasn't unexpected considering the ground redevlopment and
    the then reduced capacity at Ewood it is still a massvie amount of
    money.
    
    The idea is that the club will maintain a operating profit now that the 
    ground is completed and all the executive areas are finished. I guess
    with the way that transfers are going it would be difficult to report
    an overall profit unless we sold Shearer.  
    
    
    Tonight, we play Newcastle in the cup replay at Ewood and the winners
    will have a home tie against Swansea, who unexpectidly beat
    Middleborough last night.  I hope tonight s game is finished in 90
    minutes as the last thing that we want is extra time considering the
    game against United on Sunday.
    
    PS: I didn't get one of the 1700 tickets that United allocated to the 
    	Rovers so i'll be watching it on TV as well.
    
    Regards
    Stephen
202.752cupped up againWOTVAX::NORTHSThu Jan 19 1995 15:5834
    
    	Rovers  1	Newcastle  2
    
    	This must have been a hell of a game to watch on TV although I
    think that the result was the correct one at the end.
    
    Newcastle came to Ewood, more determined, more agressive and more
    hungry for the victory, with the Rovers not being able to control
    the game at all.
    
    Saying that the best chances fell to the Rovers with Shearer missing
    two chances that you would have bet your house on him scoring.
    
    Newcastle took the lead early in the second half with a fantastic
    free kick that bent into the bottom corner.  The rovers than managed to
    score the equaliser when Shearer fed Sutton who blasted the ball into
    the goal.
    
    It then looked like extra time, when the Rovers again got sloppy in
    defence and Lee Clark smashed the ball home beating Flowers on his near
    post.  To be honest I would have expected Flowers to have saved it.
    
    The  chances still came with Atkins missing an open goal in the last
    minutes.
    
    The reaction of the Newcastle fans who stayed on the ground for half
    an hour after the final whistle chanting for Keegan. 
    
    I know it's easy to say that the league is the most important but I,
    like most supportors like a good cup run.
    
    Man United watch out on Sunday for the Shearer backlash.
    
    Stephen
202.753PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCThu Jan 19 1995 16:1722
202.754Quick response required !MASALA::JJACKThu Jan 19 1995 17:544
    
    Is this weekend's match against Man U, at Ewood Park or Old Trafford ?
    
    
202.755CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Jan 19 1995 17:581
    Old Trafford - on Sunday
202.756MASALA::JJACKThu Jan 19 1995 18:004
    
    Cheers
    
    
202.757Rovers == one man team ?AYOV29::DUTY93_MALCAll aboard the Skylark ...Wed Jan 25 1995 13:3717
    
    	A couple of weeks ago they showed the Blackburn-Toon FA Cup game
    live on TV up here (Scotland) and I thought Blackburn were absolutely
    sparkling in the first half. However after Stuart Ripley went off they
    looked very ordinary indeed so what I wanted to know is :-
    
    (a) Is Ripley that important to the team, or was that a flash in the
    pan (as it were) ?
    
    (b) When will he be back from injury ?
    
    Did I ever mention Colin Hendry comes from the same small town as me,
    went to the same school, got thrown out of the same pubs, etc etc...
    His Dad is the local driving instructor.
    
    Malc.
    
202.758FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingWed Jan 25 1995 14:507
I thought the reason Blackburn faded in the 2nd half was that Newcastle played 
much better - they put the same sort of pressure on Blackburn's midfield and 
defence that Blackbun had done to us in the first half.

But then I would say that wouldn't I?!

grahame
202.759yWOTVAX::NORTHSWed Jan 25 1995 15:2810
    
    Theres no doubt that Rippers is a key member of team, a fact that
    sometimes isn't appreciated until he's out of the squad.
    
    He is likely to be fit for Saturday for the game against Ipswich.
    
    Lets hope that Palace can beat United tonight.
    
    Regards
    Stephen
202.760still on topWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Jan 30 1995 15:2530
    
    		Rovers  4   Ipswich  1
    
    
    Not wishing to upset any Ipswich fans out there, but this was by far
    the easiest 3 points that we've gained this season.  Ipswich not
    only did not have much footballing ability but their attitude was 
    dreadful, they seemed resigned form the kickoff that they were
    going to get stuffed.
    
    The Rovers went ahead within 2 minutes when Shearer scored from 12
    yards.  Shearer got his second with a brilliant turn and shot from 20
    yards.
    
    The third went in after 47 minutes when the keeper pushed a Sutton shot
    onto the post and Sherwood banged in the rebound.  The Rovers than sat
    back and took off Warhurst and Sutton and Ipswich scored their goal
    after Hendry had brought down Chapman.
    
    Shearer completed his hattrick with a last minute penalty afte he had 
    been brought down.
    
    We are now 4 points clear of Utd and play our remining game in hand on
    Wednesday against Leeds at Ewood.  This should be a more difficult
    game.
    
    Regards
    stephen
     
    
202.761CHEFS::EDWARDSDMon Jan 30 1995 15:5913
    Stephen,
    
    Looks like quite a crucial week in the championship race.  Blackburn
    have Leeds on Wednesday and Spurs on Sunday, both of which could prove
    to be very tough.  From a Utd point of view, it's vital that Blackburn
    start dropping points as soon as possible.  I keep telling myself that
    your current run must end, but it doesn't ...  That second goal from
    Shearer was an absolute belter.  One thing that does console me though
    is that watching Football Italia yesterday, it's pretty obvious that
    Milan are desperate for a striker.  Shearer's Italian lessons are going
    to come in handy.
    
    Dave  
202.762Of no sustance WOTVAX::HARDYPMon Jan 30 1995 16:157
    Dave,
    
    Shearer is going to Newcastle at the end of the season. The money is
    coming from the Cole transfer (plus a little from the kitty) and the
    wages from the new shirt deal with Adidas.
    
    Peter
202.763GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Thu Feb 02 1995 11:289
    
    	Blackburn dropped 2 points last night in a 1:1 draw with Leeds.
    Tim Flowers got himself sent off in the 2nd minute (jumped into the
    crowd in the Leeds end and started a fight?). Leeds then gave away a
    penalty in the 6th minute which Shearer put away. Leeds scored the
    equaliser in the 85th minute - also a penalty!!! Obviously a game full
    of incident!
    
    JBG
202.764MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We can change... anything we want too... Thu Feb 02 1995 11:516
    >jumped into the crowd in the Leeds end and started a fight?
    
    	Well if he did then I think he'd be out for the rest of the season
    due to injury and not through a ban... :->
    
    Rick.
202.765Whinge, whinge, whinge45769::EDWARDSDThu Feb 02 1995 12:3224
    Flowers was sent-off for bringing down Deane outside the box -
    supposedly in a goal-scoring opportunity.  Yeah right, Deane and
    goal-scoring are expressions not often seen in the same sentence.  I'd
    have thought Flowers would have been better waiting for Deane to get a
    bit closer - he's not exactly renowned for good control - and give
    defenders a chance to get back.  Ah well, I'm not complaining.  Will
    that be 3 games he misses ?
    
    Other points to note from the game.  The referee was subjected to a lot
    of abuse from Blackburn players after the sending-off.  The linesman
    was treated in a similar fashion after the awarding of the Leeds
    penalty.  Shearer gets away with murder - I'm convinced that if he
    played for Utd, he'd be labelled a typical Moan Utd player.  Instead,
    it's darling Alan Shearer to the press and the majority of
    commentators.
    
    Finally, a fan ran onto the pitch at the end of the game intent on
    making his feelings known to the referee.  Le Saux had to be physically
    restrained from "taking him on", and so resorted to flicking Vs at him
    from close range.  Is this acceptable behaviour followig the Cantona
    incident ?  I think not.  Will it be mentioned by the media ?  I think
    not.
    
    Dave
202.766moanersESSB::BREEThu Feb 02 1995 15:045
    I agree fully with last note. The Blackburn players were a disgrace
    last night, especially Shearer and Le Saux. The ref should have taken
    firmer action but I guess the ABU bias is alive and well.
    
    Paul
202.767FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingThu Feb 02 1995 15:285
Even Alan Hansen, the players' friend, said the ref should book people who 
overdo the protests. What a depressing sight for English football that game 
was. 

g
202.768Rubbish game.TRUCKS::SANTYou can't hide those lyin' eyes!!Fri Feb 03 1995 12:3121
    
    	The Blackburn v Leeds game showed clear signs that Rovers cannot
    	cope with the pressure on them to finally win something. The
    	protests at decisions were a disgrace. Le Saux is a nutter, Shearer
    	is a foul-mouthed cheat and I can't understand how he lasts 90
    	minutes... There were signs from Sherwood and Sutton too that they
    	are following the trend....
    
    	Dalglish makes me laugh. He moans and groans, and his players
    	continue to behave like spoilt children.
    
    	Before anyone has a go at me about sour grapes etc, remember my
    	comments in past years on the antics of Paul "the lip" Ince and
    	other United players that have done this in the past.
    
    	Does anyobody else think Le Saux and Shearer are dragging Rovers
    	into disrepute? Is their behaviour acceptable? Try to put aside
    	your vitriol for Manchester United in any replies - let's discuss
    	this sensibly...
    
    	Andy.
202.769Moanin' Mars bar eatersDRBEN::MPURDYGeordie in Bayern, on missionary work !Fri Feb 03 1995 12:418
I agree that Shearer and Le Saux do seem to get away with a lot more than anyone
else.

But wait til next year when Newcastle sign Gazza and Shearer ... The ref's will
need on pitch protection 

:-)

202.770UPROAR::LEMPMy karma ran over my dogmaFri Feb 03 1995 13:1116
    Andy,
    
    I thought that the Blackburn player's behavior was just as bad as
    ManU's at Crystal Palace (with one notable exception). So much for
    the much acclaimed discipline which Dalglish has instilled in the
    players.
    
    It would be nice to see a manager fine one of his players for the
    snarling verbal mauling which they give to referees after virtually any
    decision given against them. I doubt if any of them would be brave
    enough. The pressure on them to win means that they are prepared to let
    their players do whatever is necessary to try to swing a match in their
    favour.
    
    Paul.
      
202.771CHEFS::EDWARDSDFri Feb 03 1995 13:3710
    What amazed me was  Dalglish's reaction after the game.  He inferred
    that the decisions against Blackburn were highly debatable and that,
    yet again, refereeing mistakes had cost Blackburn the game.  What a
    load of b*ll*cks !  Of the 3 main incidents - 2 penalties and the
    sending-off - Sutton's "3 1/2 somersaults with a twist, in pike
    position, degree of difficulty 2.9" penalty, was the worst decision of
    the lot.  
    
    Dave
                       
202.772FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingFri Feb 03 1995 13:589
Sad to see Blackburn (presumably encouraged by Dalglish) trying to emulate 
ManU's worst excesses as well as their best. And, at the risk of sounding like 
a Torygraph editorial, it's a bit rich to blame fans for causing trouble 
(Blackburn, Palace) when we get hours of close-ups of highly-paid players 
showing their 'respect for authority'.

Of course, none of this will happen when Newcastle win the Championship!

grahame
202.773Give them a break lads !MASALA::JJACKFri Feb 03 1995 14:2611
    
    Don't you think you're all a acting a bit OTT ?
    
    ALL professional (And amateur) footballers question decisions,
    especially if a trend of dodgy ones go against you. If the players in
    question were out of order, then the ref would have booked them, or
    maybe even have sent them off !!!
    
    How do you know what was said by whom ?  Are you all lip readers ?
    
    
202.774CHEFS::GEORGEMThe west is the bestFri Feb 03 1995 14:327
>>>Are you all lip readers?

err.....call me extra-specially-talented, but I happen to be able to read 
players' lips, when the shout "F*CK OFF, MAN!", or "YOU'RE F*CKING KIDDING ME!"

BBC commentators are frequently embarrassed by closups of players who're 
swearing like nobody's business.
202.775UPROAR::LEMPMy karma ran over my dogmaFri Feb 03 1995 15:0131
    >Don't you think you're all a acting a bit OTT ?
    
    JJ,
    
    I think the behavior is getting worse. After Cantona was sent off a
    procession of Manu players stormed up to the ref and gave him what for
    (you didn't even have to be a lip reader to get the jist of what they
    were saying - they looked as thought they would have smacked the ref if
    they thought they could get away with it). The Blackburn players were
    as bad against Leeds, especially after the penalty when the referee had
    to stand between the players and the linesman.
    
    When the players act like they do, and try to defend anyone given a
    card in their own team, however blatant the incident, it is passed onto
    the crowd. So you get the situation where the Blackburn supporters were
    chanting "Cheat" at the ref after Flowers was sent off for one of the
    most clear-cut fouls you are ever likely to see.
    
    If the ref, as Alan Hansen had said, had started dishing out bookings
    to the players who were the most violent protestors then a riot could
    soon follow. And I don't think I'm going over the top - I've been in a
    riot caused solely by refereeing decisions (and someone *did* try to
    get at the ref after the match).
    
    I don't know what the answer is. Maybe a series of ethical guidlines -
    but who will referee that. Obviously different managers view certain
    behaviour as acceptable whereas others don't.
    
    Paul (off to the pub now so don't expect anything serious from me this
    afternoon).
     
202.776The ref would probably skelp you, up here!MASALA::JJACKFri Feb 03 1995 16:5728
    
    I thought English refs were better than their Scottish counterparts. It
    seems I'm wrong. You very seldom see Scottish players mouthing of refs
    (Well, not much anyway), and if they do.....they're usually booked 
    immediately.
    I remember reading an article about one of Scotland's top referees
    (Can't remember who, but he's retired now). He used to go into the
    dreesing room before the match & whilst checking the boots etc, he
    would tell the players (Especially if the match involved teams with
    known loudmouths in their sides) that if any one of them abused him
    or his linesmen, with regards to controversial incidents, he'd book
    them straight away & not think twice about sending them off if the
    situation merited it.
    He went on to say, that he only had to do this half a dozen times during 
    his Premier League career, and in those matches (Often volatile games 
    involving Aberdeen or the Old Firm) he only had to book one player for 
    stepping out of line. 
    Perhaps refs should just have a quiet word with players before a match 
    commences, and let them know he won't stand for any back-chat.
    I can tell you right now, that if a Scottish Premier League player
    told a Grade 1 whistler to F**K off during a match, he'd be lucky to
    escape an ordering off, never mind a booking !!
    
    So come on English refs, get tough. Book the foul-mouthed ones. You may
    have to dish out 8 or 9 yellow cards for the first couple of matches,
    but I think after that, all the Prima Donnas in the Premiership would
    soon get the message.
    
202.777TRUCKS::SANTYou can't hide those lyin' eyes!!Fri Feb 03 1995 17:059
    
    	Re last...
    	Last para..
    
    	Spot on JJ. I'd be all for it. It makes me angry seeing the 
    	players mouthing off and harassing offials, then criticising
    	the crowd for doing the same to them!!!
                          
    	Andy.
202.778moan,mona44007::LAYNEMon Feb 06 1995 15:316
    Well at least Sutton got a yellow card for his moans yesterday.
    
    As for a few notes back at being OTT, I don't know about semi-pro and
    other football, but in the local league here in Reading as soon as you
    open your mouth you get a yellow card.  There ain't no excessive
    swearing on the pitch.
202.779You don't in Cheshire!WOTVAX::HARDYPMon Feb 06 1995 16:1211
    re -1,
    
    One of the problems is that you CAN'T get a caution for swearing. Even
    if one is given for ungentlemanly conduct or dissent, the ref's report 
    has to give the words spoken and the disciplinary committe will up it
    to a red card if swearing is reported.
    
    It's a red card or nothing (for swearing) and most ref's are reluctant 
    to go so far so quickly. 
    
    Peter 
202.780No Blackburn fans left ?AYOV29::MTHEODORESONI'm a dog called DillMon Mar 06 1995 16:239
    
    	I would venture to suggest that Rovers' 1-0 win at Villa is a far
    better team performance than Man Utd's win over a team who are already
    making plans for an assault on the First Division next year.
    
    	Yet it remains remarkably quiet in here.
    
    Malc.
    
202.781CHEFS::EDWARDSDMon Mar 06 1995 16:3221
    >>I would venture to suggest that Rovers' 1-0 win at Villa is a far
    >>better team performance than Man Utd's win over a team who are
    >>already
     
    Malc,
    
    If you replace the expression "team performance" by the word "result"
    then I might agree with you.  Regardless of Ipswich's current
    plight, to record a 9-0 victory over any team, never mind a Premier
    League team, is a fabulous performance.  I will agree that Blackburn's
    victory was crucial to them - to have been knocked-off the top having
    had a huge advantage in goal-difference would have been a major
    psychological blow.  As it is, I think we've seen the first signs that
    perhaps Blackburn won't bottle it and that they are good enough to win the
    league.  Still, as far as I'm concerned, the thrill of witnessing that
    performance on Saturday will offer some compensation should we fail to
    make it 3 on the bounce.
    
    Dave 
    
    
202.782A grudging retreat ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONI'm a dog called DillMon Mar 06 1995 17:1612
    
    Dave
    
    >If you replace the expression "team performance" by the word "result"
    
    	Yeah OK I might give you that one. I think your game against
    Everton may be the one that lets you down at the end of the season.
    Does anybody have a list of Blackburns fixtures till the end of the
    season, and also Man Utd's come to think of it ?
    
    Malc.
    
202.783Let the predictions commence ....CHEFS::EDWARDSDMon Mar 06 1995 17:4016
Blackburn			Manchester Utd

Arsenal             H		Wimbledon       A
Coventry City       A		Spurs		H
Chelsea             H		Liverpool	A
Everton             A		Arsenal		H
Crystal Palace      H		Leeds		H
Leeds Utd           A		Soton		H
Manchester City     H		Leicester	A
West Ham Utd        A		Chelsea		H
Newcastle Utd       H		Coventry	A
Liverpool           A		Sheff Wed	H
				West Ham	A
TBA QPR             A


202.784I'll start ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONI'm a dog called DillMon Mar 06 1995 17:489
    
    	Blackburn will get 18 points.
    	Man Utd   will get 19 points.
    
    Blackburn will win the league by 2 points from Man Utd. Liverpool will
    be third.
    
    Malc.
    
202.785CHEFS::EDWARDSDMon Mar 06 1995 17:493
    I had Blackburn down for 22pts, with Utd getting 23.
    
    Blackburn by 2 pts - Blimey, I've agreed with Malc.
202.786Maybe I'll win the lotteryAYOV29::MTHEODORESONI'm a dog called DillWed Mar 08 1995 11:448
    
    Dave
    
    	A flying start by me ... not. I had Man U down for a loss last
    night.
    
    Malc.
    
202.787GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Thu Mar 09 1995 11:426
    
    	Why all the criptic replies about last nights games? Can someone
    please post some results (eg. Blackburn / Arsenal; Palace / Liverpool
    etc).
    
    JBG
202.788I got last nights result correct DaveAYOV29::MTHEODORESONJones the SteamThu Mar 09 1995 12:0027
    
    OK Jon
    
    	important results for this note are :
    
    Played on Tuesday :
    
    	Wimbledon	0	Red Scum	1
    	(For details see note 32)
    
    Played last night :
    
    	Blackburn Rovers	3	Arsenal		1
    	Shearer 2 (1 pen)		Morrow
    	Le Saux
    
    A good performance by Blackburn although Flowers was named man of the
    match for a string of good saves (I might suggest Arsenal could have
    converted a few of their chances if they didn't go into headless chicken
    mode every time they get anywhere near the goalposts). Good goals by
    Shearer and Le Saux, and Rovers were 3-0 up by 5 minutes into the second
    half. Looking very confident I thought but I think they will have a
    harder run-in than Man U. Wright was left on the bench by the Arse
    (intriguing, considering yesterdays transfer speculation).
    
    Malc.
    
202.789CHEFS::GEORGEMThe West is the BestThu Mar 09 1995 12:546
Blackburn were pretty superb last night, I thought.  The arse were better than 
the last few times I've seen bits of them playing too.  Good match.



Mr.Objectively-unbiased.
202.790The title is theirs for the takingFUTURS::MARSHALL1Thu Mar 09 1995 13:0111
    
    I hate to say this, but I have to agree that Blackburn played well last
    night. THe first goal from Shearer was a cracker, and the second from
    Le Saux was superd, struck between two defenders into the top corner. A
    really stunning goal.
    
    If Blackburn carry on in that vein, I can't see anyone beating them,
    and the title will be theirs.
    
    	Steve
    
202.791havn't been transferred yetWOTVAX::NORTHSTue Mar 14 1995 15:2830
    
    No I havn't left; the lone true Blackburn fan is still here.
    
    This is the first time I have had time to note in the last few weeks
    but certainly things are looking good for the Rovers.
    
    Couple of points which havn't been picked up;
    
    	We sold Alan Wright to Villa last week for 900k.  There are many
    	rumours around the town but I think it is now very likly that Kenny
    	will by a left sided player before the deadline.
    
    	We are also hearing rumours that Ray Harford is being linked with
    	the Arsenal Managers positon.
    
    
    Back to the championship;
    
    The next week or two will be crucial, United have 3 difficult games
    coming up Spurs, Liverpool and Arsenal.  If they come out of that spell
    still in contention I think things will swing their way considering
    our final few games.
    
    We play Chelsea on Saturday at Ewood and need to pick up 3 points and
    a few goals in order to put the pressure on United on Sunday against
    Liverpool.
    
    Regards
    Stephen
     
202.792IRNBRU::HOWARDLovely day for a GuinnessTue Mar 14 1995 16:098
    Stephen,
    
    I think that you'll find quite a few Blackburn fans here in the next
    few weeks....
    
    (smiley wotsit)....
    
    Ray....
202.793MARVIN::MORRELLCos I missed you... Yeah.... I missed youTue Mar 14 1995 16:105
    Why... has Kenny paid Digital to take on a few more Blackburn fans....
    
    (double smiley wotsit thingy)
    
    Rick.
202.794From a reliable source.....MASALA::JJACKm|o|t|o|r|o|l|aThu Mar 16 1995 01:4618
202.797PAKORA::SWRIGHTUno CoCa Cola PorfavorThu Mar 16 1995 02:076
    
    
    Eh...??
    
    
    *:@)
202.798John Jack...anoryMASALA::CGALLAGHERRemember....logout, JJ's aboutThu Mar 16 1995 04:3716
    
    
    Re.794
    
    The latest rumour sweeping SQF, is that JJ is making up any old
    Sh!te to see if anyone will reply, as he is bored oot his skill
    on nightshift....:-)
    
    Also, I have reason to believe that the "reliable source" who JJ
    has mentioned in most of his "exclusives", is really his big mate
    from the Commercial Inn at Fawdeeda, who has been known to hoover
    his grass:-).
    
    JJ.......the Gerry McNee of SQF...:-)
    
    
202.799Stay out of the black & in the red..........MASALA::JJACKm|o|t|o|r|o|l|aThu Mar 16 1995 05:1611
    
    Columbi,
    
    Are you incinerating that Jimmy `The Hoover' Devine is telling 
    porkies ?
    I can exclusively reveal, that he only vacuumed the lawn as the
    Germans were coming & he had to make it presentable for Gadaffi's
    impending visit.
    By the way, that's not George Michael, it's a monkey !!
    
    
202.800real gossipFORTY2::JONESNeilThu Mar 16 1995 12:077
    
    Meridian news said there will be a press-conference this morning.
    
    They reckon Jeff Kenna will join the Southampton "old-boy's club"
    today.
    
    Neil
202.801IRNBRU::HOWARDLovely day for a GuinnessThu Mar 16 1995 15:583
    confirmed....for 1.5 million smackers....
    
    Ray....
202.8026 points clear ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONDai StationMon Mar 20 1995 13:1614
    
    	Blackburn       2               Chelsea         1
    	Shearer                         Furlong (or was it Stein ?)
    	Sherwood
    
    	Just a suspicion of a wee stutter when Chelsea scored first after
    just three minutes but I was very impressed with Blackburns character
    to come back at them. And how Ripley didn't score a hat-trick in the
    second half I'll never know. I think Jack Walker should buy him a pair
    of Predators. Great result for Rovers (but yesterdays result was even
    better, arf arf).
    
    Malc.
    
202.803Helpful replyCHEFS::STRATFORDSGoodbye shorts, hello football!Mon Mar 20 1995 14:085
    Malc,
    
    It was Stein.
    
    Stuart
202.804the sun still shines in BlackburnWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Mar 20 1995 14:1224
    
    What a wonderful weekend.
    
    Firstly, Ewood on Saturday was great.  Apart from the sloppy goal that
    we let in in the first 5 minutes and Rovers played as some great
    football and it could have easily been 6 or 7.
    
    Couple of plus points, Kenna had a great debut looked very comfortable
    which allowed Le Saux to move up to play in Wilcox's position.  
    
    Even when we went one down the team didn't panic (like last year) and
    just played themselves back into the game.  
    
    8 games left; 3 at Ewood and 5 away; pity it's not the other way
    around but our away form has be incredable this season.
    
    Then yesterday, Liverpool rip United apart and win 2-0.
    
    The championship race is far from over yet but the next few games will
    go along way to deciding which side of the M62 the trophy goes this
    year.
    
    Regards
    Stephen                                  
202.805XSTACY::PHAYDENMon Mar 20 1995 16:155
Can someone post the run-in games for Both United & Rovers please.

Cheers,

Peter.
202.806see note .783AYOV29::MTHEODORESONDai StationMon Mar 20 1995 16:171
    
202.807The end of North London civilisation as we..YUPPY::OHAGANBm|o|t|o|r|h|e|a|dMon Mar 20 1995 16:4514
    It must be a sign of the times. Whilst out shopping for a football 
    for the oldest kid in Olympus Sportsworld, Enfield, I could'nt
    help but notice a young North London lad sucessfully persuede
    his parents to part with their spondoolees over a replica shirt.
    
    A Totts shirt perhaps, given our geography? Or how about London's
    most most successful team...EVER, the Arse. Perhaps even Chelsea,
    for their unusual recent success? No, a Blackburn shirt. Gawd
    help us! This would never 'ave appened if Ronnie and Reggie were
    about. 
    
    
    The Third Kray Twin.
          
202.808Kenny's spending againESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Mon Mar 20 1995 21:105
202.809If its in the currant, it must be trueYUPPY::PANESIt was definitely ElvisTue Mar 21 1995 11:3713
   <<< Note 202.808 by ESSB::BLONG "PREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 & 1994" >>>
                          -< Kenny's spending again >-

>Kenny has just bid 1.75 Million for Mark Kennedy of Millwall.
>He plays left side, and would be a direct replacement for Wilcox.

I heard on the radio , that this exclusive was in yesterday's The Sun. 
The same paper ( and same journalist ) have now exclusively revealed that
Kennedy will sign for Liverpool.  Journalisms a funny old game.

Stuart         


202.810CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Mar 23 1995 19:1514
    Malc,
    
    re:predictions
    
    I had Utd down to draw with Wimbledon, Spurs and Liverpool, and to beat
    Arsenal.  That should have brought 6 pts.  They actually got 7 pts from
    those games so they're 1 ahead of my schedule.
    
    I had Blackburn down to beat Arsenal, Coventry and Chelsea.  They only
    drew with Coventry so they're 2 down on my schedule.
    
    This would now leave Utd with 90pts and Blackburn with 89 pts.  
    
    Dave
202.811Oi !!! What about ?SUBURB::RUTHERFORDIAlan Rough's Greatest SlipsThu Mar 23 1995 19:334
    Is there any news on Kevin Gallagher ? I know that he's been out
    through injury but is there any signs of an iminent return ?
    
    Ian.
202.812Come on Blackburn, keep it going !AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCut Throat JakeThu Mar 23 1995 19:3515
    
    Dave
    
    	I had Rovers to beat Coventry so they are 2 points down on schedule,
    and I had Utd to lose to Wimbledon and draw with Arsenal so they are 5
    points up. Therefore if all other results are as per forecast Rovers
    will get 16 points and Utd will get 24 on my original estimate
    therefore that would make it Man U by 5 points. It's looking a wee bit
    ominous I must admit.
    
    	Would you like to post your match by match predictions ? I'll show
    you mine if you show me yours (oooooooooooooh matron!)
    
    Malc.
    
202.813Let's see what you've got then !CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Mar 23 1995 20:0121
Blackburn	      Pred Act		Manchester Utd	      Pred Act
		
Arsenal             H	3   3		Wimbledon       A	1   3
Coventry City       A	3   1		Spurs		H	1   1
Chelsea             H	3   3		Liverpool	A	1   0
Everton             A	1		Arsenal		H	3   3
QPR                 A   1		Leeds		H	1
Leeds Utd           A	1		Soton		H	3
Manchester City     H	3		Leicester	A	3
West Ham Utd        A	3		Chelsea		H	3
Newcastle Utd       H	0		Coventry	A	3
Liverpool           A	1		Sheff Wed	H	3
					West Ham	A	1   
TBA Crystal Palace  H   3

		       --				       --
		       22				       23
		       --				       --

Total = 69 + 22	= 91pts			Total = 66 + 23 = 89pts
    
202.814Get a load of this, big boy !AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCut Throat JakeThu Mar 23 1995 20:0932
    
Blackburn				Pred		Actual

Arsenal			H		W		W	3-1
Coventry City		A		W		D	1-1
Chelsea			H		W		W	2-1
Everton			A		D
Crystal Palace		H		W
Leeds Utd		A		L
Manchester City		H		W
West Ham Utd		A		D
Newcastle Utd		H		D
Liverpool		A		L

TBA QPR			A		L
				       18

Manchester Utd

Wimbledon		A		L		W	0-1
Spurs			H		D		D	0-0
Liverpool		A		L		L	2-0
Arsenal			H		D		W	3-0
Leeds			H		D
Soton			H		D
Leicester		A		W
Chelsea			H		W
Coventry		A		W
Sheff Wed		H		W
West Ham		A		W
				       19
    
202.815CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Mar 23 1995 20:146
    Malc,
    
    Surely you've heard that the Red Sh - whoops (sorry Dezzz) - Liverpool
    are going to throw the last game of the season against Blackburn.
    
    Dave
202.816A made bed/lying in it situation ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCut Throat JakeThu Mar 23 1995 20:3217
    
    Dave
    
    	This was written before any other results were known so I never
    considered that there might be something underhand happening down
    Brookside way. It just so happens that if everything had gone to my
    masterplan they wouldn't have even NEEDED to win the last game. However
    that's what I writ at the time and I ain't changing it now.
    
    	Maybe Everton will blow their game too with a bit of luck... or
    something. Why IS Liverpool the highest insurance area in Britain anyway ?
    Could it be something to do with Scousers being a wee bit on the wrong
    side of the law (I think I'd better say allegedly at this point) ?
    Not that I'm suggesting anything in any way oh no not me missus .......
    
    Malc.
    
202.817Bet you mine's bigger than yours !CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Mar 23 1995 20:397
    Malc,
    
    I'm sure there must be an opportunity to have a wee wager here, but I
    suppose we're not allowed to discuss that via notes.
    
    Dave 
    
202.818Insert smutty innuendo of your own choice here AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCut Throat JakeThu Mar 23 1995 20:547
202.819Blackburn 91 Utd 89CHEFS::EDWARDSDFri Mar 24 1995 14:109
    Malc,
    
    Whenever I dial that number, I just get the sound of some heavy
    breathing, nay, panting.  You wouldn't know anything about that would
    you ?
    
    Dave
    
    
202.820Blackburn 87 Man Utd 85AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCut Throat JakeFri Mar 24 1995 14:2415
    
    Dave
    
    > I just get the sound of some heavy breathing, nay, panting.
    
    	Sorry about that, I must have a word with my secretary, she's
    part of the "Release errant footballers back into the community" scheme
    recently introduced by the government and I don't think she's quite got
    the hang of what a sex line really should be.
    
    	I'm gonna delete it now so as I don't get crank calls from John
    Hussey. So write the number down while you have the chance.
    
    Malc.
    
202.821on the way backWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Mar 27 1995 16:4220
    
    Re. 811
    
    Kevin Gallagher is now fully fit and in contention for a place in
    the first team squad.
    
    Also, David Batty is now playing again and is a few games short of
    full fitness. 
    
    When you consider the talents of these 2 players I think that the
    squad will be a full strength for the last few games.\
    
    I watched football focus on Saturday and was amazed that Gary Lineker
    could suggest the Shearer's injury was made up and thats why he dropped
    out og the England squad.  Personally I think its crazy to be having
    England friendly games so close to the end of the season.
    
    Regards
    Stephen
    
202.822AYOV27::FW_TEMP01John Hussey - Dunure's greatMon Mar 27 1995 17:218
re 821

Lineker's probably right.  If it was a Blackburn game I'm sure Shearer 
would play. 

It is crazy though to have not 1 but 2 friendlies at this time of year.
The number of players who drop out make them a waste of time.  It would be 
better to have them after the season ends.
202.823CHEFS::EDWARDSDMon Mar 27 1995 16:394
    >>The number of players who drop out make them a waste of time.  It
    >>would be better to have them after the season ends.
    
    Isn't that when all the players are knackered and need a rest ?
202.824A.B. Utd.IRNBRU::HOWARDLovely day for a GuinnessMon Mar 27 1995 17:438
    .821....
    
    amazing, the words `David Batty, and `talent' in the same note. The
    silly season has obviously started....
    
    come on B'burn...  8)
    
    Ray....
202.825MARVIN::MORRELLThis is the rhythm of the night....Mon Mar 27 1995 18:043
    Come on BattyBurn... beat those Reds.. :->>
    
    Rick.
202.826CHEFS::EDWARDSDMon Mar 27 1995 17:081
    All this support for Jackburn - how touching !
202.827TUXEDO::HINXMANDreadful human beingTue Mar 28 1995 01:0611
	re .816

>    something. Why IS Liverpool the highest insurance area in Britain anyway ?
>    Could it be something to do with Scousers being a wee bit on the wrong
>    side of the law (I think I'd better say allegedly at this point) ?

	Weellll, the decline of Liverpool as a port is attributed in part
	to the pilferage rate in the docks being higher than in other British
	ports.

	Tony
202.828Humble pie or what...PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCMon Apr 03 1995 11:426
    
    err...looks like Blackburn are going to prove me totally wrong.
    
    Good result on Saturday, under severe pressure at the end.
    
    Dave...
202.829Get your cheque book ready ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCut Throat JakeMon Apr 03 1995 14:329
    
    Dave (Edwards)
    
    	That win at Everton puts my Blackburn prediction back on course.
    Man Utd still 5 points ahead of schedule. So therefore I am sitting
    on a total difference of 5. How goes it on your side of the border ?
    
    Malc.
    
202.830Looking good ......CHEFS::EDWARDSDMon Apr 03 1995 14:438
    Malc,
    
    I had both games down as draws, so...
    
    My Blackburn prediction is now back on course.  Utd are still 1 pt
    ahead of schedule, therefore making a total difference of 1.  
    
    Dave
202.831Sprinting for the line ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCut Throat JakeWed Apr 05 1995 15:3123
    
    English League Premier Division
    
    Queens Park Rangers		0	Blackburn Rovers	1
    					Sutton
    
    Dave
    
    	A killer result for Man Utd but an even worse result for me ! I am
    now 8 points adrift to your 3. Will you accept an IOU ? (Times are hard).
    
    	I'm a wee bit disappointed that Rovers won last night to be honest
    as I was looking forward to a real tight finish to the league but as it
    stands it looks like they will now have the luxury of losing their last
    two games and still win the league.
    
    	There was a thing on the radio the other day about "Anti" fanzines
    springing up all over the place i.e. they are for the benefit of people
    who hate Madonna and Prince etc. There is one in Ireland which is
    anti-Manchester United. Apparently it sells like hot cakes.
    
    Malc.
    
202.832CHEFS::EDWARDSDWed Apr 05 1995 17:0414
    Malc,
    
    It is a killer result for Utd.  Blackburn have surprised me this
    season.  Someone else commented that they thought Blackburn would
    "bottle it".  I must admit that I was of the same opinion.  I think
    their last 2 away results have proved me and a lot of other people (are
    you listening Paul Ince) wrong.
    
    They have already amassed 82 pts this season - Utd's total last season
    of 91 was, I believe, a record under the 3pts for a win system.  With 6
    games to go, Utd themselves can still surpass that total, so I think it
    emphasises what a great team performance Blackburn have put in.
    
    Blah, blah, blah, always next season ....
202.833It's in the Express, so it must be trueCHEFS::EDWARDSDFri Apr 07 1995 15:0511
    Report in one of todays papers about an attempt by Newcastle to prise
    Alan Shearer away from Blackburn.  The story continues "Kevin Keegan's
    Newcastle have demonstrated their intent by moving 8.3m quid from their
    account with Barclays into a Blackburn Rovers bank account in the form
    of a banker's order guarantee."  A bank source is quoted as confirming
    that the money had been moved, and that they are assuming it's for a
    major player transfer.  The deal is also to include a Newcastle player,
    either Ruel Fox or Robert Lee, making the total deal worth over 11m.
    
    If this deal does go through in pre-season, what odds on Blackburn
    spending large wads of the stuff on Le Tiss.
202.834MARVIN::MORRELLooooooh nooooooo......Fri Apr 07 1995 15:396
    I can't believe they'd sell Sutton or Shearer.. Le Tiss is not a
    replacement for either of them.... 
    
    It would be a crazy move if they did that....
    
    Rick,
202.835ZUR01::ASHGrahame Ash @RLEFri Apr 07 1995 15:516
I'm not convinced it's such a great move for Newcastle either, spending all 
that money and losing a star player. Some other team tried tyhat earlier this 
season (can't quite remember who . . .) and it wasn't a fantastic success for 
them.

grahame
202.836Shearer going no-whereWOTVAX::NORTHSFri Apr 07 1995 16:2918
    
    Theres about as much chance as Shearer going to Newcastle as there is
    me going to play for Newcastle.
    
    Shearer has always wanted to play in Seria A, and if he ever does leave
    Ewood Park it won't be to go to Newcastle, maybe Milan.
    
    
    Shearer is the core of our side at the moment and would be irresplaceable
    by anyone.
    
    Other points; Sherwood now faces a 2 match ban against West Ham and
    Newcastle whilst Hendry has to sit out just the West Ham game.  David
    Batty is now back to full fitness and will figure in the last 6 games.
    
    regards
    Stephen
     
202.837Cole was going nowhere as wellAYOV27::FW_TEMP01John Hussey - Dunure's greatFri Apr 07 1995 17:347
I think you will find that Mr.Shearer has some interesting clauses in his
contract which means he can go and play for any team he wants.  He also
happens to be from Newcastle and the rumour went around after the Cole
transfer.

If an Italian club steps in first he will go there otherwise I wouldn't
be surprised to see him in Black & White next year (Juventus?).
202.838Every player has his priceCHEFS::EDWARDSDFri Apr 07 1995 18:274
    The newspaper suggests that Blackburn would want at least 11 million
    quid for him, and that sort of money just isn't available in Italian
    football anymore.  Newcastle would appear to be the only club would
    could afford to buy him.
202.839staying putWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Apr 10 1995 17:3826
    
    Ask the question, why would Shearer want to play for Newcastle!!
    
    Money??  	-  This is not a problem at Blackburn
    
    Success??  	-  He is currently playing for the probable league 
    		   champions which means he will be playing in the 
    		   champions league next year.
    
    Prospects??	-  What can Newcastle offer him that Blackburn can't/
    
    
    I think that Shearer will stay at Blackburn until the end of next
    season why he will probally go to play in Italy somewhere.
    
    Newcastle, you've got no chance.
    
    
    
    By the way, our game on Tuesday against Palace is not post-poned due to
    the cup semi-final reply.  Next game is at Leeds on Easter Saturday.
    
    
    Regards
    Stephen
    
202.840say nowtCOMICS::HAWLEYIBuddha say: Desire nothingMon Apr 10 1995 17:504
    
    Maybe Alan Shearer prefers the company of cheeky-chappy geordies?
    
    Ian.
202.841BLKPUD::STOCKMANSThu Apr 13 1995 16:022
I think he'd also like to play his football in front of a full house every week
as well!
202.842Not the biggest but no doubt the bestWOTVAX::NORTHSThu Apr 13 1995 21:0013
    Simon, Simon - No need to get bitchy.
    
    We will average around 26,000 for home attendances this season which
    is well above average even for the big (?) city clubs.  Most of our
    support actually comes from Blackburn unlike some clubs we could
    mention.
    
    Hope you win the FA cup then we can get our revenge at Wembley in
    August.
    
    
    Stephen
    
202.843Liverpool never used to get the jittersCOMICS::HAWLEYIBuddha say: Desire nothingTue Apr 18 1995 14:269
    
    What are you doing?!?!?!
    
    Dont gift them ANOTHER title!
                                 
    
    *sigh*
    
    Ian.
202.844KERNEL::WITHALLGWe Don't Do Duvets .......Tue Apr 18 1995 14:366
    
    
    
    
    Whawasthebloodyscorethen....
    
202.845MARVIN::MORRELLNooooooo I shall believe.....Tue Apr 18 1995 14:423
    Blackburn 2 - Man City 3
    
    Rick.
202.846Back to the serious business ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONZippy and BungleTue Apr 18 1995 14:4523
    
    Dave
    
    	This is what I calculate the current state of play to be. Do you
    concur ?
    
    Malc
    Blackburn               +1
    Manchester Utd          +3
    
    Dave
    Blackburn               -1
    Manchester Utd          -1
    
    	This still has you in the lead by 2 points but I'm feeling a lot
    more confident than I did on Friday and seeing how both teams are
    leaking points I reckon the dosh will be heading north ere long. On
    course for a photo finish certainly...
    
    Malc.
    
    PS That Manchester City penalty was THE softest one I have EVER seen.
    
202.847Why oh why oh why couldnt we beat Chelsea ?CHEFS::EDWARDSDTue Apr 18 1995 14:508
    Malc,
    
    Yeah - looks about right.  
    
    It certainly was a dodgy penalty, but then again the 2 disallowed City
    "goals" looked pretty good to me.
    
    Dave
202.848i reckon the mancs are going to steal itCOMICS::HAWLEYIBuddha say: Desire nothingTue Apr 18 1995 15:5210
    
    Its a shame Brucie went to Southampton because you could have paid him
    to throw the last game of the season vs Liverpool (allegedly).
    
    If blackburn need to win to stuff the mancs, i'm going to be in a bit
    of a quandary for that game!
    
    I hope it doesnt go that far...
    
    Ian.
202.849going going goneWOTVAX::NORTHSThu Apr 20 1995 15:1820
    
    Well today is my last day before I take the plunge and get married on 
    Saturday.
    
    Tonight, I will be at Ewood, hoping and praying, screaming and shouting
    that the boys can beat palace and literally put the championship beyond
    United reach.
    
    A couple changes for tonight as Hendry and Sherwood are both suspended
    so I would expect Batty to take Sherwoods place and Gally to play out
    wide on the left.  Berg will play centre half and Kenna and Le Saux
    will play full backs.
    
    Lose tonight and I think we will lose the championship, win tonight and
    I think it's all over and I can go down the aisle a very happy man.
    
    regards
    Stephen
    
           
202.850All the best. I join the club in 19 daysAYOV27::FW_TEMP01John Hussey - Dunure's greatThu Apr 20 1995 15:264
Stephen,

What's more nerve-wracking - Blackburn or the wedding.  Is it at Ewood Park
now that the law's changed? 
202.851spring weddingCOMICS::HAWLEYIand the horse you rode in on!Thu Apr 20 1995 15:447
    
    Stephen,
    
    Good luck tonight, you have a lot of neutrals rooting for you.
    Hope the weathers nice for you on Saturday.
    
    Ian.
202.852Palace need the pointsYUPPY::PANESReasons to be beerful part IIIThu Apr 20 1995 16:249
  Stephen,

  Good luck for Saturday. I have to say that I want T'Rovers to lose 
  tonight, but then I want them to easily win the rest of their games
  on secure the  Championship.


  Stuart
  
202.853CongratsESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Thu Apr 20 1995 21:308
202.854they think its all overCOMICS::HAWLEYIand the horse you rode in on!Fri Apr 21 1995 15:1316
    
    Since Stephens not here, i guess someone has to say:
    
    "Blackburn Rovers 2-1 Crystal Palace"
    
    for posterity.
    
    I still reckon Manchester United could do it.
    They are easily capable of winning their last 4 games.
    If they do, Blackburn need a win and 2 draws to be safe.
    They have to play Newcastle and Liverpool.
    
    Its not over till the fat bloke sings...
    
    Ian.
        
202.855Anybody know who scored ?AYOV29::MTHEODORESONZippy and BungleFri Apr 21 1995 15:197
    >Its not over till the fat bloke sings...
    
    	Oh no, John Hussey's not going to sing, is he ?

    A Music Critic.

202.856FORTY2::FOWLERMGrimsby Liberation FrontFri Apr 21 1995 15:393
Kenna and Gallacher for Blackburn, Houghton for Palace.

Mike
202.857Skinnier than skinnyAYOV27::FW_TEMP01John Hussey - Dunure's greatFri Apr 21 1995 17:1010
>     >Its not over till the fat bloke sings...
>
>   	Oh no, John Hussey's not going to sing, is he ?


Malc,

I'll duly admit that I can't sing but the accusation that I'm a large chap
is a bit rash from someone of your proportions.  Now if you had said I was
well-endowed...
202.858ill bet you luv each other reallyCOMICS::HAWLEYIand the horse you rode in on!Fri Apr 21 1995 17:135
    Malc and John,
    
    Are you two descended from Laurel and Hardy?!?
    
    Ian.
202.859A Darwinian writes ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONZippy and BungleFri Apr 21 1995 17:338
    
    > Are you two descended from Laurel and Hardy?!?
    
    	No Ian, actually we're descended from Dastardly and Muttley. To be
    honest I always thought John Hussey was the love-child of Vinnie Jones.
    
    Stop V. Pigeon.
    
202.860At least I've got hairAYOV27::FW_TEMP01John Hussey - Dunure's greatFri Apr 21 1995 17:556
Malc,

I may have a Vinnie haircut but al leat it's (nearly) all there.

Judged from the lack of funniness in our gags I think Little & Large would
be a nearly approximation.
202.861Or Cannon & BallCHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishFri Apr 21 1995 18:131
    
202.862French & Saunders?CHEFS::GEORGEMCannibalise LegalbisFri Apr 21 1995 18:151
202.863This could still be closeISIDRO::BREADIESun Apr 30 1995 22:041
    WEST HAM 2  0 BLACKBURN
202.864Celtic, Raith, Morton, Forfar......& West Ham !!MASALA::JJACKIs coming home to rest at ParadiseSun Apr 30 1995 23:244
    
    The pillocks let my coupon down for 5 aways !!!
    
    
202.865Bottle merchants ????BHAJI::GMCKEEMon May 01 1995 00:155
    
    changing their name to...
    
    
    Blackburn of Midlothian
202.866boo hooCOMICS::HAWLEYIand the horse you rode in on!Mon May 01 1995 13:185
    
    I really cant see Blackburn winning any of their last two.
    The championship destiny is in the hands of Man Utd.
    
    Ian.
202.867Rovers are still in the driving seatRDGENG::YERKESSbring me sunshine in your smileMon May 01 1995 13:319
 I can see Blackburn winning the championship, they just
 came across a couple of in form teams. Man Utd still 
 have to play teams in the relegation struggle including
 their final game at Upton Park. Coventry tonight won't
 be easy either.


 Phil.
202.868TRUCKS::SANTNo sleep 'til bedtimeMon May 01 1995 13:5415
    
    	Yesterday's surprising result has given United renewed hope.
    
    	Although highly unlikely, if United were to win all their last
    	four games, and given they currently have a superior GD over 
    	Blackburn, I calculate that Rovers need two wins from two games,
    	since if they get 4 points and United win all four they'll be
    	equal on points...
    
    	However all this will become accademic if we don't beat Coventry
    	tonight.
    
    	It's a long shot, but it's not quite over yet!
    
    	Andy.
202.869CHEFS::EDWARDSDMon May 01 1995 14:576
    Malc,
    
    Well, I had Blackburn down to win yesterday.  I believe that makes me
    -4 on Blackburn and -1 on Utd.  How's it hanging with you ?
    
    Dave
202.870The ONLY good thing about yesterdays result ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCuthbert, Dibble and GrubbMon May 01 1995 15:1010
    
    Dave
    
    	I had the game down as a draw. I am now spot on on Blackburn and
    +3 on Man U so if they manage to lose to Coventry tonight I think you
    can just about indulge in a spot of cheque writing. Make it out to my
    favourite charity "Guide Dogs for the Drunk".
    
    Malc.
    
202.871Liverpool win the title for Manu Utd ?ISIDRO::BREADIETue May 02 1995 02:001
    Coventry 2  Man Utd 3
202.872FLAP...FLAP...FLAPCHEFS::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCTue May 02 1995 11:4415
    
    Now we will see what Blackburn are really made of, for the first time
    the pressure is really on. Its still in your own hands, but I dont
    think you will be able to drop anymore points.
    
    I fear a double double and even more MUFC shirts popping up everywhere.
    
    I suppose you had better just hope Kenny doesnt do his usual when the 
    pressure really mounts, and walk out.
    
    Dave...
    
    
    
    
202.873COMICS::HAWLEYIand the horse you rode in on!Tue May 02 1995 13:445
    
    I think the title of this note may become even more poignant over the
    next few weeks.
    
    Ian.
202.874They're no angels.TRUCKS::SANTNo sleep 'til bedtimeWed May 03 1995 19:5021
    
    	Still no mention from any of you lovers of fair play about the
    	two incidents of note from the game v West Ham....
    
    	...so I'll mention them.
    
    	Tim Sherwood awaiting decision by FA on whether he faces a
    	disrepute charge after elbowing Hutchison in the face, breaking his
    	nose.
    
    	David Batty's bone-crunching assault on Ian Bishop, for which he
    	was only booked (= judged by the ref to be a foul, before anyone
    	comes up with any "hard but fair" crap). Again, FA are assessing 
    	the video evidence as to whether to charge him as well.
    
    	I'm so used to reading the indignity at the antics of United
    	players, I thought we might get a little balance in here...
    
    	The silence is deafening.
    
    	Andy.
202.875lancs will get the wooden spoon this yearCOMICS::HAWLEYIand the horse you rode in on!Wed May 03 1995 19:5611
    
    Andy,
    
    I didnt think bitter and twisted was your style! :-)
    
    I dont remember seeing these 'tackles' mentioned anywhere? 
    I would have thought the hammers fans would have been up in arms?
    
    Laters,
    
    Ian.
202.876This has good argument potential ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCuthbert, Dibble and GrubbWed May 03 1995 20:3224
    
    .874
    
    	Oh dearie me, here is a man with a whole bag of chips on his
    shoulder, nay, a veritable shop-full in fact !
    
    	Andy, no-one I know has ever commented on David Batty's lovable
    qualities but he can at least make it through an entire game without
    jumping into the crowd and thumping someone.
    
    > I'm so used to reading the indignity at the antics of United
    > players, I thought we might get a little balance in here...
    
    	You must be reading a different conference from me. Alternatively
    the word paranoia springs to mind ...
    
    > The silence is deafening.
    
    	Maybe you should give us a chance to reply before you say things
    like that. The truth is that the offences are so trivial that nobody
    cares. Except Graham Kelly and you ...
    
    Malc.
    
202.877RDGENG::YERKESSbring me sunshine in your smileWed May 03 1995 20:4124
re .875

;    I dont remember seeing these 'tackles' mentioned anywhere? 
;    I would have thought the hammers fans would have been up in arms?

 Ian,

 Anyone could see that Batty's challenge on Bishop was a bad one, and
 it made me whince when I saw it. But why moan about it, what's done is
 done. 

 Regarding Tim Sherwood's elbow breaking Don's nose. From what I saw
 of the incident only Tim can answer whether it was malicious or not.
 For Tim had is back to him, even so he may have been aware of Don's
 presence.

 Anyway, from experience the Hammers fans aren't renowned for moaning.
 When results aren't going their way they try and lift the team. Although, 
 I must admit I did moan a bit about Alvin Martin's dismissal earlier
 against Sheffield Wednesday.

 Phil.

 
202.878sounded painful thoughCOMICS::HAWLEYIand the horse you rode in on!Wed May 03 1995 20:518
    
    > Anyone could see that Batty's challenge on Bishop was a bad one,
    
    Not me, mate. I was listening to radio 5!
    
    :-)
    
    Ian.
202.879CHEFS::EDWARDSDWed May 03 1995 20:5521
    Malc,
    
    I think Andy has a point here.  This conference is full of people who
    have criticised Utd's disciplinary record this season (and rightly so).
    The media are constantly comparing those nasty Manchester chaps with
    those lovable Blackburn boys and how lucky we will all be if and when
    Blackburn are crowned champions.  It occurs to me that Sherwood's assault
    on Hutchinson was particularly violent, and if the player concerned had
    been Ince or Keane, then it would have made some serious headlines.  
    
    In the same way, Utd are criticised for their issuing of new strips on
    a regular basis.  No one in this conference has commented on Arsenal's
    new deal with involves the issue of 5 kits over the next 3 years,
    including a new away strip next season, replacing the 1 year old blue
    thing that they have at the moment.  Liverpool also have a new kit on
    sale at the moment in readiness for next season.
    
    How does the song go "No-one likes us ....."
    
    Dave
     
202.880One rule for the rich...VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Wed May 03 1995 21:0414
    While we're on the subject of bonecrunching physical assaults (sorry,
    but I don't think putting tackles in inverted commas is nearly strong
    enough), I've all but given up hope that we'll see any mention of
    Darren Pilcher's career-ending attempt against Wolves in the F.A. Cup
    semi-final. 
    
    Although readers of this conference would be forgiven for thinking that
    Crystal Palace have been on the wrong end of just about every decision
    in world football this year, I was somewhat shocked that a member of
    their playing staff could stoop to such depths.
    
    Still, it was a 50-50 ball though...
    
    Dom
202.881CHEFS::GEORGEMCannibalise LegalbisWed May 03 1995 21:127
For Ian's benefit;

*Crunch*



There.  At least you've read/heard it now...
202.882CHEFS::EDWARDSDWed May 03 1995 21:146
    Oi Matt,
    
    Instead of writing smart-arsed remakrs in here, get on with my track
    listing !
    
    Dave
202.883CHEFS::GEORGEMCannibalise LegalbisWed May 03 1995 21:261
f***.
202.884The GoodiesESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Wed May 03 1995 21:5213
202.885YUPPY::PANESReasons to be beerful part IIIThu May 04 1995 12:5919
   Not that there is much point in trying to talk sense with some
   of the blinkered followers of Manchester United PLC, but I often
   find myself reading serious articles about football, where the 
   correspondent says it would be good for most people if United
   won the league. They state quite simply that most people prefer
   United's playing style ( I for one ). David Lacey used the analogy
   that some people prefer lager to real ale, and it is all subjective
   preference. Its an old cliche but whoever wins the league deserves
   the title and I think some of the mancs are a getting a little 
   twitchy if their rantings concentrate on a couple of dodgy tackles
   and whether or not the press are "being beastly" to them.

   Stuart

   BTW Just in case anyone thinks I'm going soft, I would hate Manchester
       United to win the league, because their chairman, board, manager and
       quite of few of their players' behaviour does not deserve success.
       I have felt this since 1969.
202.886Is this the 5 minute or the 10 minute argument ?AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCuthbert, Dibble and GrubbThu May 04 1995 13:4025
    .879

    > This conference is full of people who have criticised Utd's
    > disciplinary record this season.

    	Dave, come off it, you're as bad as Andy. Where exactly are all
    these hundreds of notes complaining about Utd's disciplinary record ?
    The only ones I can recall are Cantona illegally attacking football
    fans and Ince whinging about decisions for 90% of the game, both
    incidents having nothing to do with any disciplinary record. I might
    suggest that any disrepute charges will come about as a direct result
    of the recent Keane stamping incident which was much more high profile
    and is merely the FA trying to appear fair.

    	And you don't really want to start all that rubbish about the
    strips again do you ? All I can say is : two wrongs don't make a right
    as my old mother used to say ...

    > How does the song go "No-one likes us ....."

    	And can you really wonder why ?

    Malc.
    
202.887On dodgy ground there Malc!AYOV27::FW_TEMP01John Hussey - Dunure's greatThu May 04 1995 14:007
Malc,

you being a Celtic shareholder should realise that your on dodgy ground
with reference to new strips.  Sunday Mail had a fetching (?) pic on
O'Donnell (sp) in the new Cup Final strip - Celtic's 2nd of the year already.

Even MUFC PLC haven't brought out a Cup Final strip (yet).
202.888A few muddled comments...VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Thu May 04 1995 14:0236
    Stuart,
    
    For starters, I don't even consider myself a Mancs. supporter; the only
    reason I'd like to see them win the league is because I think they
    consistently play the best football. They're not the only team that
    play good football (I've seen excellent performances from Liverpool,
    Tottenham, Newcastle and QPR this season, to name but 4)...but I think
    that year-in year-out, United maintain this philosophy. And it's
    possibly cost them the league title on a couple of occasions in the
    past.
    
    Don't think I'm waiving over the disciplinary side of things. If you
    want my opinion, Keane, Cantona, Ince and Irwin(*) are pretty nasty
    little men who are anything but a good advert for the game. But we've
    now reached a point when occasional criminals like Vinnie Jones, Darren
    Pitcher and David Batty get depicted as loveable street urchins simply 
    because they don't earn their wages at that den of iniquity, Old Trafford.
    It all reminds me of the Monty Python "Piranha Brothers" sketch (I
    won't go into details here!).
    
    As for "blinkered followers of Manchester United PLC" (what's the
    PLC?), Stuart, I can only say that some of your interpretations of
    events like the Roy Keane stamping affair had me gasping. Have Crystal
    Palace F.C. (players, officials and fans) ever been the guilty party in a 
    footballing dispute (apart from not getting back 10 yards at a free kick
    or overcharging for match programmes, maybe...) ? I think we should be
    told.
    
    Dom
    
    *Note that I didn't include Hughes in that list; he may be mouthy, but
    I don't think there's a centre-forward in the country who takes as much
    stick. In short, he doesn't give as good as he gets. While we're on the
    subject, I wish there were more attackers who tackled like Hughes and
    Peter Beardsley...
         
202.889Stop changing the subject JohnAYOV29::MTHEODORESONCuthbert, Dibble and GrubbThu May 04 1995 14:1516
    
    .887
    
    	Now hold on a cotton pickin' minute thar John, I have never once
    advocated this strip business to be a desirable idea. If you care to
    look back you will see that it was I who started a tirade against
    Celtic for introducing that monstrosity of a third strip. As for the
    Cup Final strip I have somewhat divided loyalties to be honest, yes I
    agree that we should not be issuing new strips willy-nilly a la Man U
    but at least we are returning to the more traditional hooped strip as
    opposed to the QPR style bands.
    
    	To quote my old mother yet again : two wrongs etc ...
    
    Malc.
    
202.890CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishThu May 04 1995 14:519
    re .888
    
    Dom,
    
    When has Vinnie Jones ever been portrayed as a lovable street urchin?
    He is probably one of the most villified players in the press. Nobody
    likes him.
    
    Stuart
202.891CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu May 04 1995 15:0529
>    	Dave, come off it, you're as bad as Andy. Where exactly are all
>    these hundreds of notes complaining about Utd's disciplinary record ?
    
    Malc,
    
     I actually didn't make any reference to "hundreds of notes" - what I
    said was that a lot of people in this conference are critical of Utds
    disciplinary record (and rightly so).  The point I was trying to make
    was that knowing how fair-minded and objective you all are, I was
    amazed that the Sherwood incident didn't even receive 1 criticism in
    this conference.  I reiterate that if the player involved had been
    Ince, Keane or Cantona, there would have been a different response.
    
    
>    	And you don't really want to start all that rubbish about the
>    strips again do you ? All I can say is : two wrongs don't make a right
>    as my old mother used to say ...

    I've never defended Utd over the issue of kits.  Again, the point is
    that if Utd had agreed a similar deal to the Arse one, there would have
    been the usual girly whinging about fans being ripped-off etc etc.
    
    One more thing Malc, don't you think you should start being nice to my
    beloved Man Utd ?  There is the distinct possibilty that I may have to
    send you some money as a result of our little wager.  Wouldn't it be a
    shame if the cheque got lost in the post ?!?!?!
    
    Dave
    
202.892KERNEL::WITHALLGWe Don't Do Duvets .......Thu May 04 1995 15:4115
    
    
     Re the Sherwood incident.-     Deliberate..
     I was surprised to see Sherwood walk away from that one. Watching the
     video gives clear indication that it was deliberate. That sort of
     stuff belongs in Sunday football and Imho he deserves fining/banning
     etc by the FA. Even though - like our young Man uTd star on 41 points
     he is not a usually controversial player. 
    
    
     Gary _who also dislikes MAn utd but can tell an unfair challenge when
    he see's one.
    
    
    
202.893CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishThu May 04 1995 15:4311
202.894This is good fun ...AYOV20::SCMS_999044My usual node is down again ....Thu May 04 1995 16:1034
    
    Dave
    
    > a lot of people in this conference are critical of
    > Utds disciplinary record
    
    This is an absolute fallacy. Everybody realises that you can't make an
    omelette without breaking eggs, we don't mind the odd foul here and
    there, even really bad tackles are turned a (semi) blind eye to. What
    we don't like is the constant whinging that goes with it ALL the time. I
    also doubt your contention that Sherwoods foul perpetrated by Keane etc
    would have been more severely dealt with by the media and/or the FA.
    The only thing might be that Man Utd's history of such exploits may
    count against them and who's fault is that ?
    
    	Nobody likes this strip business for any team but as far as we can
    see Manchester United started it. So there.
    
    	You're not threatening to welch on this bet are you ? I'll send
    John Hussey round to bite your legs off, he can be very mean when he's
    aroused. Or awake. Personally it's not the ideal of Man Utd I dislike
    but I do not like Paul Mince and I absolutely detest Alex Ferguson.
    This stems back to the days when he managed Aberdeen and he got them to
    kick their way to the Scottish League title. One of my early memories of
    those days is Celtic kicking off against Aberdeen and TWO SECONDS later
    Charlie Nicholas was flying six feet through the air after being
    clogged by Neale Cooper. The game was stopped for nearly three minutes
    for treatment.  But I like Ryan Giggs and Lee Sharpe and even Cantona
    who has scored some of the most stunning goals I have ever seen. Can
    you get him free transferred to Celtic please (and I'll let you off
    the bet) ?
    
    Malc.
    
202.895Simply the bestWSTENG::DSMITHThu May 04 1995 16:1715
    
    
    
     re .894
    
     Neale Cooper was and still is a dirty big haddy but to suggest that
    Aberdeen FC as a whole were a dirty team is rubbish!! The Aberdeen
    team of the late 70s and early 80s was the best team to come out of
    Scotland for many years. They played some terrific football and quite
    regularly spanked the bottoms of the so-called elite of Rangers and
    Celtic, some of whom supporters have had an intense dislike of them
    since. Their success culminated in their ECWC success against Real
    Madrid. Fergie left soon after to eventual glory at Man U.
    
     Danny.
202.896Over to you ....CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu May 04 1995 17:2342
>    > a lot of people in this conference are critical of
>    > Utds disciplinary record
    
>    This is an absolute fallacy. Everybody realises that you can't make an
    
    Malc,
    
    Are you saying that you are *not* critical of Utds disciplinary record
    ?
    
>    we don't like is the constant whinging that goes with it ALL the time. I
    
    Hey, take a look at Shearer, Le Saux, Sutton, Wilcox and Batty next
    time Blackburn are on the box.  Face it Malc, you don't like Utd, so
    seeing people like Ince having a pop at the ref is just "typical Moan
    Utd behaviour" as far as you're concerned.  I would argue that's its
    typical player behaviour nowadays.  Unfortunately, I think Utd's
    problems stem from their selection of players with whinging faces. 
    Players like Ince, Keane and Irwin probably look like their moaning
    when they're asleep.  The main reason KanKan is (possibly) leaving the
    club is because he is always happy.  I wonder if we could buy Dreamboat
    from Palace if/when they are relegated - he would fit in perfectly.
    
>    also doubt your contention that Sherwoods foul perpetrated by Keane etc
>    would have been more severely dealt with by the media and/or the FA.
    
    We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.  I think the challenge was
    one of the worst I've seen this season and I feel sure Sky would have
    set it to music and replayed it 100 times if it had been Ince or Keane.
      
    
>    	Nobody likes this strip business for any team but as far as we can
>    see Manchester United started it. So there.
 
    Nice to see you're being grown up about this !
    
    
    Don't worry about the bet Malc, you'll get your cash - if you win.  I
    noticed a slight mellowing in your tone towards the end of your
    previous reply.  Keep up the good work.
    
    Dave
202.897GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Thu May 04 1995 17:498
    
    I s'pose I ought to add my unbiased opinion to this discussion.....
    
    The reason nobody made a big deal of either incident is simple. Noone
    outside Blackburn is the slightest bit interested in watching their
    games, unlike some other teams I could mention!
    
    JBG
202.898Hey Malc, I'm not picking on you honest (well not yet anyway)CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishThu May 04 1995 18:1317
    re .894
    
    Malc,
    
    Charlie Nicholas obviously made a habit of being kicked 6 feet in the
    air early in matches. Graham Roberts always used to do this to him.
    funny thing was, Charlie always seemed to score against Tottenham and
    managed to play like a complete t***-pot for the rest of the season!
    
    re the kits argument - I have to agree with Dave, Malc your argument
    was a bit "they started it" (but was mine any better ?, No probably
    not) but I do agree with you entirely. Man U did start and they are the
    worst exponents of the kit explotation scam. Everyone elses activities
    pale into insignificance against them. 
    
    Stuart
     
202.899Keep 'em coming lads ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCuthbert, Dibble and GrubbThu May 04 1995 18:5050
    Danny

    > Aberdeen FC as a whole were a dirty team

    	We are all well aware of Aberdeens accomplishments in that period
    but they were certainly no blushing violets when it came to the
    physical side of things. So who do you think dictated the way they
    played ? It was said at the time that Cooper was a much more important
    player to Aberdeen than Strachan and I can see why people said that.
    Did you ever see that team play ?

    Dave

    > Are you saying that you are *not* critical of Utds disciplinary record
    
    Yes, I'm not critical of their general play in that they are certainly
    no more physical than any other comparable side these days, it's the
    other pratting about which I cannot stand. Players have always argued
    with referees but never to this extent. You mention Shearer and Le Saux
    et al, but I swear they are not nearly as bad as our OJ on a good day
    (gawd help us when he is in a bad mood). You mention team selection but
    who is responsible for that ?

    >I feel sure Sky would have set it to music and replayed it 100 times
    >if it had been Ince or Keane.

    Now what do you base this on ? Surely Man U are one of their biggest money
    spinners so the last thing Sky would want to do is antagonise them.

    Sack Ferguson, transfer Ince abroad and axe the third strip. And I
    might just look on Man Utd a little more benevolently.

    Stuart
    
    Don't worry about picking on me, I can take it.
    
    >Charlie Nicholas obviously made a habit of being kicked 6 feet in the
    >air early in matches.
    
    I don't know if Charlie had much choice in the matter ! You guys should
    never have bought him you know, you never played to his strengths.
    
    > re the kits argument
    
    Can we leave it with the bloody kits argument. Everything has been said
    many times before and is a bit irrelevant in this topic.
    
    Malc.
    
202.900AYOV27::FW_TEMP01John Hussey - Dunure's greatThu May 04 1995 18:538
>    I don't know if Charlie had much choice in the matter ! You guys should
>    never have bought him you know, you never played to his strengths.


Malc,

for what I've seen of Charlie Nicholas his only strength is that he's got
a decent tailor. ;-)
202.901AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCuthbert, Dibble and GrubbThu May 04 1995 18:555
    
    > his only strength is that he's got a decent tailor. ;-)
    
    Not with the new Celtic away strip he hasn't !
    
202.902Yah boo sucksCHEFS::EDWARDSDThu May 04 1995 19:1417
>    Now what do you base this on ? Surely Man U are one of their biggest money
>    spinners so the last thing Sky would want to do is antagonise them.

    You obviously didn't see their Eric Cantona piece (prior to the Palace
    incident) !  
    
    Don't get me wrong, I am under no illusions about Utd.  I appreciate
    only too well that they have problems with discipline and that they
    have exploited their success over the past 2-3 years, and that they are
    in danger of alienating their "real" fans with some of their proposals.
    However, I believe the original point that Andy (where the hell has he
    got to) raised was that the incident involving Sherwood would have
    received more of a reaction in this conference if he had had a Utd
    shirt on his back.  I agree with him, you don't - so sod off back to
    the 'tic note !
    
    Dave
202.903CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu May 04 1995 19:194
    Changing the subject slightly, I had the pleasure of meeting Mike Fowler
    today, wearing a very sad pair of Villa shorts.  It's obviously not
    just the little kiddies that kit themselves out.
     
202.904FORTY2::FOWLERMGrimsby Liberation FrontThu May 04 1995 20:588
There's nothing sad about my Villa shorts. When I bought them I remember
thinking it was my duty as a long time fair weather Villan to contribute at
least a few quid to the Fashanu transfer. 8-)

What's more, I bought them several months ago and the Villa are still wearing
that kit. You're just jealous. 8-)

Mike
202.905Charlie Charlie, Charlie CharliePRSIS4::WOODFri May 05 1995 12:526
    Getting back to Charlie Nicolas for a minute, I believe he was one
    of Scotlands greatest players but made the 'error' of going to
    Arsenal instead of Liverpool where he would have fully realised
    his talents. Still, he knocked back plenty champagne in Stringfellows
    so maybe he was happy.
    Dave WOOD
202.906CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishFri May 05 1995 14:119
    Dave,
    
    Charlie actually made th right choice in going to The Arsenal. If he
    had gone to Looneypool, he would have rarely made the first team.
    Certainly, Liverpool would not have put up with him disappearing for
    85 minutes a game. Incidentally, where would he have fitted in? At that
    time they had a frontline of Rush & Dalglish.
    
    Stuart
202.907TRUCKS::SANTNo sleep 'til bedtimeFri May 05 1995 15:3630
       
    	The fact that only about two of the past 30-odd notes, since I 
    	floated my question on you lot, has bothered to discuss/comment
    	on what I mentioned re Batty assault and Sherwood elbowing, for
    	me speaks volumes.
    
    	It was a serious question. Posted two days after the incidents (to
    	respond to Malc Impossible-to-spell-surname ... sorry, Malc) for
    	those that thought I didn't wait long enough for someone else to
    	mention it.... sigh...
    
    	I'm a believer in fair play. I can't stand the constant petulance
    	displayed by so-called professional sportsmen, whether in the
    	red, green and yellow, black or blue and white stripes - and that's
    	just United players! 
    
    	United have been let down badly by one or two individuals recently.
    	Cantona (as an unknown quantity three years ago) was a surprise
    	in this regard. Ince and Keane have lived up to my expectations -
    	check back on my comments about these two when we bought them.
    
    	Ince - pouting moaning whinger. Talent such as his is wasted on
    	him.
    
    	Keane - very very dodgy. He's a psycho, total nutter. I wouldn't
    	have paid anything for him. Again, wasted talent., United should
    	have noticed the signs of his self-destruction while he was still	
    	at Forest.
    
    	Andy.
202.908CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishFri May 05 1995 16:095
    On the subject of Mr Keane, appaently he will be fit for the cup final.
    Have the FA heard his case re his sending off incident in the semi yet?
    Initial paper talk was of a ban or has everyone calmed down now?
    
    Stuart
202.909CHEFS::EDWARDSDFri May 05 1995 16:2116
    Stuart,
    
    I don't think his case has been heard yet.  Apparently, the FA are
    having a session next week so maybe his case will be reviewed then.
    To be honest, providing Neville can play, I don't think Keane would
    automatically claim a place in the team for the Cup Final.  Butt has
    been very impressive in his last 2 or 3 games, and he is match-fit.
    If I was Fergie (heaven forbid) I would stick Keane on the bench.
    
    Dave
    
    BTW - did you see Lee Dixon on the Big Breakfast this morning ? 
    Apparently he wagered that if Arsenal reached the ECWC final, he would
    have his head shaved for Charidy mate - well they did, and he has -
    live on the telly.  He seemed a bit gob-smacked that they actually went
    ahead and did the deed.
202.910CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishFri May 05 1995 16:567
    Dave,
    
    No I don't get chance to see breakfast tv in the morning. It doesn't
    surprise me that Dixon was involved in a "jolly jape" like that. He
    always was a bit of a twit (misprint)
    
    Stuart
202.911PRSIS4::WOODFri May 05 1995 18:3010
    Stuart,
    Such was his talent I'm sure Charie could have played anywhere. However
    I always considered him to be the replacement for Dalgleish. Arsenal put
    him further and further back until he got kicked back onto the transfer 
    market. In fact everyone used to give poor old Charlie a good kicking.
    Remember Scotland - Denmark in the World cup in Mexico 1986 ?
    Anyway, as someone said, we're off the subject. Maybe I'll start a
    Charlie Nicolas note, there's all sorts of interesting stories about
    him you know.
    Dave WOOD
202.912please, please.........pretty pleasAYOV27::FW_TEMP01John Hussey - Dunure's greatFri May 05 1995 18:443
Dave,

go on tell us.  I hope they're sordid.
202.913Well OK but just one.....PRSIS4::WOODTue May 09 1995 12:189
    Charlie Nicolas is in a bar having a drink minding his own business
    There's this third division footballer giving him stick. "you're
    just lucky, I'm as good as you, I've watched your game, you're all
    just prima donnas, what can you do that I can't ?"
    Charlie Nicolas gets out a fifty pound note, lights it and lets it
    burn in the ashtray. "lets see you do that"
    
    A true story,
    Dave WOOD
202.914IRNBRU::HOWARDLovely day for a GuinnessTue May 09 1995 12:429
    B'burn 1-0 Newcastle
    (Shearer's 33rd goal in league this season)
    
    A real nail-biter, at the end the Radio5 commentator was almost begging 
    the referee to blow the final whistle. A real kiler result for ManU
    which means that anything less than a win in their last 2 games will
    make B'burn champions....
    
    Ray....
202.915CHEFS::EDWARDSDTue May 09 1995 13:316
    A crackin' result for Blackburn last night virtually clinches the title
    for them.  The post-match interview with Flowers illustrated just how
    pumped up the players were for the game.   
    
    More importantly though, the result means that I am -1 on my
    Blackburn preds and -1 on Utd.  How's it going with you Malc ?
202.916UTROP1::JANSENReading Blondes have more funTue May 09 1995 13:353
Why isn't Kenny playing Witschge?? He's on loan from Bordeaux but hasn't
played a minute yet, what's the use of getting a player on loan if you
don't use him???
202.917OK but not greatYUPPY::PATEMANRunnin' on EmptyTue May 09 1995 13:434
    He played the full game against West Ham and looked pretty average. He
    was probably signed as cover.
    
    Paul
202.918UTROP1::JANSENReading Blondes have more funTue May 09 1995 15:1610
rep -1

fanx for the info, he's a good player but he made some dumb mistakes choosing
teams to play for, as a young kid he moved from Ajax to Barcelona, he didn't
play hardly as Cruyff saw him as a kid for the future, he couldn't cope with
that and forced a move to Bordeaux, where he's been having problems with trainer
from day 1 about the style of play. I expect if Kenny keeps him on at Blackburn
he'll grow out to a very good player for you.

T_
202.919YUPPY::OHAGANBI'm hot and when I'm not....Tue May 09 1995 17:364
    I say less of this Blackburn nonsense and more Charlie Nicholas
    anicdotes.
    
    barry. 
202.920GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Tue May 09 1995 17:4132
    
    Surprising.......no one has has mentioned how lucky Blackburn were last
    night. Newcastle would have taken all 3 points with ease were it not
    for 3 or 4 world class saves from Flowers (who was Andy Gray's MOTM).
    Blackburn looked very nervous, miss hitting lots of passes etc. Sutton
    spent most of the game hanging onto his markers shirt & Le Saux
    repeatedly argued with the ref over his desicions.
    	I was  a bit surprised that the goal was allowed - a chipped cross
    to the far post from Le Saux, headed in by Shearer who climbed all over
    & flattened the defender. From then on it was all Newcastle with
    Blackburn pulling everyone back & hoofing the ball up field each time
    they got possession. Gillespie played well on the right wing leaving Le
    Saux & Kenna in his tracks. Unfortuantely Newcastle are missing a
    target man for his crosses, most of which were dealt with by the
    consistently solid Hendry.
    	Newcastle pressed hard for the 60 minutes after the goal. Flowers
    made a brilliant save to deny Beardsley on the stroke of half time &
    kept Blackburn in the game in the 2nd half. Blackburn did have 3 or 4
    very good chances falling to Shearer but he either missed or Servacheck
    (8-) saved well to deny him.
    	An very exciting game for the non-partisan. It will be a great
    shame if Newcastle miss out on Europe this late in the season. With
    Liverpool playing so poorly at the moment (their season is over anyway)
    I can't see them getting a result on Saturday so it looks like
    Blackburn will be champs. The likes of Shearer, Sutton, Le Saux etc
    will be under the press spotlight and I think they'll probably be shown
    in a different light. There were also some revealing shots of the
    Blackburn crowd after the game ...... many relieved faces & quite a few 
    "fans" giving clear verbal & visual abuse - presumably aimed at any
    ManU fans who might have been watching.
    
    JBG
202.921LEMAN::SIMPSONStephen Simpson@GEO, DTN:821 5105Tue May 09 1995 19:296
RE: -.1

Good summary. Also, Blackburn were *very* lucky not to concede a penalty in
the last few minutes. Mr. Hendry had another rush of blood to the head, when he
made a "tackle" on Gillespie - the ball had long since gone. Apparently he was
also very lucky not to give one away against West ham.
202.922I've always said Southampton are a good team ... AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCuthbert, Dibble and GrubbWed May 10 1995 14:4818
    
    Dave
    
    	Sorry for not replying yesterday but I had the day off to go to
    John Husseys wedding. He has at last found somebody daft enough to make
    an honest man of him and will spend the next two weeks sunning his
    ample parts in Morocco on honeymoon. Or is it Tunisia ? To be honest I
    still have a bit of a thick head from the celebrations.
    
    	Down to business. I am +2 on Blackburn and +3 on Man Utd (which I
    have been ever since the flipping Wimbledon result) so it would seem
    that you are back in the chair at the moment. I need Southampton AND
    West Ham to do me a turn I reckon. And I already have Blackburn to
    lose at Liverpool so that looks pretty hopeless. I may have to start
    saving up I think. Would you accept an IOU ?
    
    Malc.
    
202.923GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Wed May 10 1995 20:037
    
    Malc,
    
    	would you like to enlighten us further as to where you got your
    experience of Mr Hussey's "ample parts"? 8-)
    
    JBG
202.924Two weeks of peace starts here ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCuthbert, Dibble and GrubbWed May 10 1995 20:209
    
    	I haven't actually experienced his parts personally, Jon, but it's
    common knowledge round our neck of the woods that some of his parts are
    certainly more ample than others.
    
    	And anyway you know what they say, Hussey by name ...
    
    Malc.
    
202.925Are you insinuating that he has a big gut?CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishWed May 10 1995 20:341
    
202.926I might be ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCuthbert, Dibble and GrubbWed May 10 1995 20:371
    
202.927CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu May 11 1995 15:039
    Malc,
    
    I had Utd to win last night so I'm still -1 for Utd and Blackburn.
    I've got the weekends games down as draws.
    
    Apparently, Mr Walker was opening some champagne with 15 mins to go
    last night - a case of premature Jack elation !!!!!!!!!
    
    Dave
202.928Our the fraud squad watching on SundayDBSUK2::GRICEPhil Grice - Oracle Rdb Mission Critical EngineeringThu May 11 1995 15:2611
    re .-1 That last line made me smile.
    
    I think that Blackburn are home now - I have to agree with our Des last
    night who said that Man Utd have the harder game this Sunday. Liverpool
    have hung up their boots and given up. Either that or they are
    practising how to give away goals for Sunday.
    Amazing - for the Villa game the R5 commentator said that some of the
    Liverpool players should be ashamed to consider themselves professional
    footballers. And then last night - some of the defending!
    
    /phil
202.929Back againWOTVAX::NORTHSThu May 11 1995 18:1628
    
    Nice to see the note was very active whilst I was away.
           
    Firstly, thanks for all you kind wishes and by the way it pissed it
    down all day on my wedding day, but we still had a great time.
    
    Back to football;
    
    I watched the United game last night and could not believe what I was
    seeing, another disgraceful refereeing performance at Old Trafford.  I
    not just talking about the penalty but the Southampton players got
    nothing throughout the game and I surprised that they managed to keep
    their cool in the end.
    
    Anyway, SKY get what they wanted, a Super Sunday and we still have to
    live on our nerves for a few more days.
    
    Unfortunatley, I have not got a ticket for Sunday, so I'll be in the
    pub watching the game on TV.  People keep saying that Liverpool will
    throw the game because they hate United, I don't think that this will
    happen, I believe we have a very difficult game on Sunday, as do
    United.
    
    Lets hope that Kenny can get the boys fired up and maybe Liverpool may
    have an off day and we can manage to win by a couple of goals.
    
    Regards
    Stephen
202.930TRUCKS::SANTNo sleep 'til bedtimeThu May 11 1995 19:299
    
    	It's in the bag, Stephen. Liverpool have given up - witness the 
    	widespread condemnation in the media for their "performance" at  
    	Villa and last night's surrender at West Ham.
    
    	They'll offer no resistance on Sunday. Expect half the Liverpool
    	side to be out with "injuries".
    
    	Andy.
202.931CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu May 11 1995 20:0114
    To be fair Andy, I think it's a common problem with the winners of the
    League/Milk/Littlewoods/Fizzy Pop Cup that having qualified for Europe,
    the rest of the season is generally meaningless.  Didn't Villa tail off
    last season after beating Utd in the final ?  There is a lot of
    speculation regarding the commitment we may expect from Liverpool on
    Sunday.  It may be true that their fans would rather Blackburn to be
    champions, but it doesn't necessarily follow that the players will have
    the same view.  Players like Fowler, Macmanamanamanaman, Babb, Scales,
    Redknapp etc don't really have an axe to grind with Utd, and were not
    around when Doglish was at Liverpool.  Having said all that, I think
    Blackburn will stuff Liverpool and Utd will play-out a bad-tempered
    draw at Upton.  It should be a weird atmosphere at Anfield though !
    
    Dave
202.932fume!COMICS::HAWLEYIand the horse you rode in on!Thu May 11 1995 20:2311
    
    I'm a bit upset about this.
    
    Theres every chance that Liverpool are going to be remembered for their
    terrible end of season performances instead of the many, many excellent
    performances theyve put on all season. I wanted them to finish 3rd,
    they deserve it, but theyve just chucked it away. Id rather us be
    remembered for the humping we gave to Manchester United to really kick
    their title challenge into touch than this poor cr&p.
    
    Ian.
202.933Come on ye West Ham and Liverpool !AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCuthbert, Dibble and GrubbFri May 12 1995 14:4224
    
    Dave
    
    	Yet again apologies for not replying yesterday but the radiator in
    my car burst and I had to go and get it fixed. As I live about 40 miles
    from where I work and it would have meant 2 train rides and a taxi to
    get to work plus a damn sight more similar pratting about on the way
    home I felt discretion was the better part of valour and decided to
    take an unscheduled holiday. So it's a three day week for me : Monday,
    Wednesday and Friday. It's a funny old game Saint.
    
    	As to you-know-what, I am +2 on Blackburn and +bloody5 on Man Utd
    (that pillock of a ref should have his guide dog confiscated). I
    calculate that in best case scenario BOTH teams have to lose which
    would make me +2/+2 and yourself -2/-2 thereby ending in a draw (you
    did say that you would shell out in that situation didn't you ?) but
    I'm not very hopeful. Oh well at least the competition is going right
    to the final day like the league.
    
    	Btw having bought a radiator I am now skint. I hope you will
    consider taking an IOU.
    
    Malc.
    
202.934Skinflint.....VYGER::REIDIAnd we're off to Dublin in the green....Fri May 12 1995 14:538
    
    Malc,
    
    Didn't you know you can get a bus from Ayr up to here?
    
    It probably isn't even as expensive as a radiator.
    
    Choppers
202.935These things give British football a bad name...;-)VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Fri May 12 1995 14:5812
    Saw the highlights of Blackburn-Newcastle last night, and thus
    witnessed Shearer's challenge for the goal (as described in .920). How
    any referee on earth could have allowed it is beyond me...and I'm very
    much for the "anything goes" rather than the "whistle-while-you-work"
    school of  refereeing. Given the trajectory of the ball, no forward on 
    earth could have got to it without flattening the defender...which is
    exactly what Shearer did. 
    
    Methinks Sky wanted to line up a bonanza football spectacular for next
    Sunday...
    
    Dom    
202.936I'm more worried about what goes on my timesheet ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCuthbert, Dibble and GrubbFri May 12 1995 15:2724
    
    Choppers

    Skinflint ???? Me ????

    Ha! That's good coming from the man who refused to buy Celtic shares!

    > Didn't you know you can get a bus from Ayr up to here?

    I take it "here" is Glasgow ? Be honest, you're not seriously suggesting
    that I share a lower form of public transport with the likes of you
    riff-raff are you ? No, it was much better fun shopping in Byres Road
    waiting for the car to be mended (even though it took a couple of hours
    longer than they thought for the radiator to arrive). Allow me to
    recommend Donaldson Motors, Yorkhill Quay. Cheapest BMW parts in town.
    
    Dom
    
    > How any referee on earth could have allowed it is beyond me
    
    Come off it. You're winding us up, aren't you ?
    
    Malc.
    
202.937Alan Shearer...the new Wade Dooley?VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Fri May 12 1995 16:0513
    Malc,
    
    >> How any referee on earth could have allowed it is beyond me
    
    >Come off it. You're winding us up, aren't you ?
    
    Er...no. If it had been Mark Hughes/Tony Adams/Mark Hateley instead of
    Shearer, it would have been disallowed. Anywhere on the Continent, he'd 
    almost certainly have received a yellow card.
    
    Still, if it makes for good TV...
    
    Dom
202.938CHEFS::EDWARDSDFri May 12 1995 16:2812
    Dom,
    
    I think if Shearer had challenged the keeper like that, it would
    definately have been a foul.  However, I don't think you can argue that
    the decision would have been different if the player in question had
    been Hughes or Adams etc.  Remember the appalling decision against
    Shearer at Old Trafford which resulted in a disallowed goal ?  If
    anything, it highlights the inconsistency amongst referees.  If I was a
    Blackburn fan I would consider Shearer's goal as an excellent
    centre-forwards goal.
    
    Dave
202.939Simple as that!VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Fri May 12 1995 16:5117
    I still don't agree that it was a fair challenge, Dave - although I
    only  saw the incident once (there was no action replay), so I can only
    say that the general impression I got was that "Shearer flattened 'im"!
    
    >I think if Shearer had challenged the keeper like that, it would
    >definately have been a foul. 
    
    Quite. And this is the most ridiculous thing of the lot; the only
    player on the field who can use his hands also gets special protection
    from referees.
    
    Of course, any goalkeeper will point out:"But we're defenceless when we
    jump for the ball with arms outstretched". 
    
    Great - then go for it with your head like everyone else!
    
    Dom
202.940Yellow card, my nether regions ... AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCuthbert, Dibble and GrubbFri May 12 1995 17:2227
    Dom

    > If it had been Mark Hughes/Tony Adams/Mark Hateley instead of Shearer

    	How you guys extrapolate these amazing hypothetical situations is
    totally bewildering to me. What difference does it make who perpetrates
    a footballing act ? Or are you trying to suggest that referees are
    biased against Man Utd/Arsenal/Rangers ? Because I can assure you that is
    not the case.

    	The circumstances are as follows : cross comes over, Newcastle
    defender standing still or backpedalling slightly has to jump for the
    ball basically from a standing start therefore does not get much height,
    Shearer running in from approximately the penalty spot has much more
    impetus therefore gains considerably more height and wins the ball,
    said impetus carries him through the point of contact with the ball
    where he connects with aforementioned Newcastle defender and knocks him
    over. No deliberate foul, no deliberate contact even. This situation
    happens several times a week I would wager and more often than not
    results (quite correctly) in a goal. End of story.

    	I think you should turn your attention to Wednesdays penalty
    incident (which is going to cost me a fortune).

    Malc.
    
202.941Why would I be in Glasgow????VYGER::REIDIAnd we're off to Dublin in the green....Fri May 12 1995 17:299
    
    re .936.
    
    {I take it "here"is Glasgow.}
    
    No, Here is Ayr.  Where the Digital plant is....
    
    Choppers
    
202.942LEMAN::SIMPSONStephen Simpson@GEO, DTN:821 5105Fri May 12 1995 17:4110
RE: .940

Not quite a correct description - though not far off.

You forgot to add that the defender never even got off the ground because 
Shearer climber all over him. Look at Shearer's left hand - he puts it on
the guys shoulder to give him a springboard. That's the only way he jump
above AND over the guy.

Isn't that a foul?
202.943CHEFS::EDWARDSDFri May 12 1995 17:4713
>    	Btw having bought a radiator I am now skint. I hope you will
>    consider taking an IOU.
    
>    Malc.
    
    	
    Malc,
    
    As it's you - NO WAY !  Not only do I want paying, I want cash and none
    of that Scottish rubbish either !  Good English fivers please - 3 or 4
    I can't quite remember.
   
    Dave
202.944GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Fri May 12 1995 18:1511
    
    Malc,
    
    	I already mentioned this incident in my match report on Tuesday.
    Your description is flawed. Shearer makes contact with the defender
    (Beresford?) well before the ball arrives. By the time he gets his head
    to the ball Shearer is clearly holding the defender down and using him
    as a spring board to gain height. I was amazed the goal was allowed and
    more amazed that nobody on Sky (eg. Andy Gray) commented on it.
    
    JBG
202.945Good job you're not French, Alan...VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Fri May 12 1995 18:238
    Well, thanks for the solidarity - Malc's account in .940 was so
    convincing (in a "what the f$%# do you think you're talking about?"
    sort of way) that I was beginning to think that I'd been imagining
    things.
    
    I think Martin Bayfield's days in England's lineout are numbered ;-)
    
    Dom
202.946Oh I love this ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCuthbert, Dibble and GrubbFri May 12 1995 20:5332
    Stephen, Jon, Dom

    	You are all talking rubbish. You only think it was a foul because
    you so desparately want it to be. As I said before it is exactly the
    type of incident that happens week in week out and if they gave fouls
    for that sort of thing we might as well stop now and start playing
    wimpy basketball or something where any bodily contact is not allowed.
    Your beloved Mark Hughes would not have a job for a start.

    	If anything it should have been a foul against Beresford for
    deliberately obstructing Shearer in his attempt to get the ball (pass
    that bottle of whisky over here).

    Dave
    
    > Good English fivers please - 3 or 4 I can't quite remember.
   
    I thought it was only one myself. What's wrong with Scottish money
    anyway, I'm sure the southern softie exchange rate is very good just
    now. Come to think of it I can offer you a particularly good deal on a
    BMW 3-series radiator with currently fashionable ventilation holes ...

    Choppers

    > Why would I be in Glasgow????

    I don't care where the hell you are, it's me that's in Glasgow ya twonk.
    So, I should take a bus FROM Ayr TO Ayr. What a good idea ...

    Malc.

202.947You can't beat a good football debate...VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Fri May 12 1995 21:069
    >Stephen, Jon, Dom

    >You are all talking rubbish. You only think it was a foul because you
    >so desparately want it to be.
    
    Right you are then, sport! And sorry for taking up your valuable
    time...
    
    Dom
202.948Don't go huffy on me now ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCuthbert, Dibble and GrubbFri May 12 1995 21:129
    
    Come on Dom, it's just coming down to opinions now isn't it ? It's
    almost like arguing about religion, there's no black and white, or
    right and wrong. But one of your side said "why wasn't it discussed on
    SKY at the time ?". Well I'll tell you why. It's because it wasn't a
    foul. Is this a good place to stop the argument ?
    
    Malc.
    
202.949VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Fri May 12 1995 21:2624
    >Come on Dom, it's just coming down to opinions now isn't it ? It's
    >almost like arguing about religion
    
    I suppose it is, Malc. Still, remind me not to argue with you about
    religion ;-)
    
    Quite honestly, I couldn't give a monkey's - the "was-it-or-wasn't-it"
    type football arguments are best left to drunks at the local pub and
    Jimmy Hill. I was simply marvelling at the incredible inconsistency of
    opinions I this conference. 
    
    Once and for all: I ain't no Manc. I just don't happen to think that
    messrs. Shearer, Batty, Wilcox, Le Saux and Dalglish are any closer to
    angel status than Keane, Cantona, Ince, Irwin and Ferguson. Likewise, I
    do find it highly sidesplitting that all our resident ambassadors of
    good footy are so anxious to be represented in the European Cup next
    year by a club who have spent a fortune to put together a team whose
    playing style, to put it politely, is a nostalgic journey back to the
    seventies ;-)
    
    And with that, I bid you a most exciting weekend - wherever your
    sporting sympathies may lie.
    
    Dom
202.950What was that thing about Dick Whittingtons cat ?AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCuthbert, Dibble and GrubbFri May 12 1995 21:3911
    
    Dom
    
    	I could take you up on some of that but I won't, as I want to get
    home sometime before Sunday. Have a good weekend yourself and we shall
    maybe cross swords on Monday when Blackburn are Premier champions and
    Crystal Palace are still in the English Premier and Aberdeen are still
    in the Scottish Premier and maybe the odd porker will be on the runway ...
    
    Malc.
    
202.951So you're a closet Palace/Aberdeen fan too?VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Fri May 12 1995 21:459
    >         -< What was that thing about Dick Whittingtons cat ? >-
    
    My mind's a bit vague, but I think Stuart was saying that the only
    place they haven't searched for it is the trophy cabinet at San
    Selhurst ;-)
    
    And now I really *must* get that train...
    
    Dom
202.952GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Sat May 13 1995 12:547
    
    Malc,
    
    	I'm no Manc supporter either. My red tinted spectacles are Forest's
    colours.
    
    JBG
202.953CHAMPIONZZZZ!!!!!AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCop for that, our kidMon May 15 1995 14:40100
    	Blackburn make it by the skin of their collective teeth with more
    thanks due to a sterling performance from West Ham rather than their
    own nervous efforts.

    	I don't think I have ever felt such fear in a match before. I watched
    the game in a pub in Glasgow packed with Blackburn sympathisers. I'm glad
    they showed the Blackburn game as I don't think I could have stood the
    tension in the Man Utd match, but Blackburn was bad enough. After Shearer
    scored I thought "right that's the result that everybody wants we'll
    just stroll along to full time now", but amazingly it was not to be.
    However everything somehow came right in the end.

    	On to business. Here is the final league table Dave ...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Malc
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Blackburn				Pred		Actual		Diff

Arsenal			H		W		W	3-1
Coventry City		A		W		D	1-1	-2
Chelsea			H		W		W	2-1
Everton			A		D		W	1-2	+2
QPR			A		L		W	0-1	+3
Leeds Utd		A		L		D	1-1	+1
Manchester City		H		W		L	2-3	-3
Crystal Palace		H		W		W	2-1
West Ham Utd		A		D		L	2-0	-1
Newcastle Utd		H		D		W	1-0	+2
Liverpool		A		L		L	2-1
				       18		20
Total = 69 + 18 = 87 points						+2

Manchester Utd

Wimbledon		A		L		W	0-1	+3
Spurs			H		D		D	0-0
Liverpool		A		L		L	2-0
Arsenal			H		D		W	3-0	+2
Leeds			H		D		D	0-0
Leicester		A		W		W	0-4
Chelsea			H		W		D	0-0	-2
Coventry		A		W		W	2-3
Sheff Wed		H		W		W	1-0
Soton			H		D		W	2-1	+2
West Ham		A		W		D	1-1	-2
				       19		22
Total = 66 + 19 = 85 points						+3

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Dave
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Blackburn				Pred		Actual		Diff

Arsenal			H		W		W	3-1
Coventry City		A		W		D	1-1	-2
Chelsea			H		W		W	2-1
Everton			A		D		W	1-2	+2
QPR			A		D		W	0-1	+2
Leeds Utd		A		D		D	1-1
Manchester City		H		W		L	2-3	-3
Crystal Palace		H		W		W	2-1
West Ham Utd		A		W		L	2-0	-3
Newcastle Utd		H		L		W	1-0	+3
Liverpool		A		D		L	2-1	-1
				       22		20
Total = 69 + 22 = 91 points						-2

Manchester Utd

Wimbledon		A		D		W	0-1	+2
Spurs			H		D		D	0-0
Liverpool		A		D		L	2-0	-1
Arsenal			H		W		W	3-0
Leeds			H		D		D	0-0
Leicester		A		W		W	0-4
Chelsea			H		W		D	0-0	-2
Coventry		A		W		W	2-3
Sheff Wed		H		W		W	1-0
Soton			H		W		W	2-1
West Ham		A		D		D	1-1
				       23		22
Total = 66 + 23 = 89 points						-1


    So at the end of the day it is I who is sick as the proverbial parrot
    and yourself who is over the moon. I can't pretend I'm not disappointed
    but it's putting the ball in the back of the net that counts and if you
    don't do that you can't expect to win trophies. The lads worked hard
    throughout the season but when it came down to the last hurdle they were
    like a fish out of water, etcetera. Please feel free to add any more
    cliches or mixed metaphors as you think fit.

    	Have you thought over my offer of cheap bits of cars btw ?

    Malc.

202.954Where's our resident Blackburn fan?VARESE::TRNUX1::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Mon May 15 1995 14:5421
    Congrats, Blackburn. I've always said that, unlike the F.A. Cup, no
    team ever won the championsip by luck...and this was no exception. You
    won't get a closer finish than this one (except of course the
    Arsenal-Liverpool one a few years back), which probably makes victory
    all the sweeter.
    
    I'm still waiting to see the highlights of both games. In Italy, they
    were shown on pay-TV and the signal was practically unintelligible.
    However, when I switched over about 7pm, I could just make out Kenny
    Dalglish grinning like a Cheshire cat and hugging all and
    sundry...which pretty much gave the game away. You've got to say it for
    Dalglish; he's got the biggest scowl AND the widest smile in football
    ;-)
    
    As for next year's Champions' Cup, PLEASE buy a couple of new players
    (a centre back and a creative midfield player); I'm sure even the
    staunchest Blackburn fan would admit that the current team would be
    hard pushed to do well against the likes of Ajax, Milan and PSG.
    
    Dom
    
202.955champions champions championsWOTVAX::NORTHSMon May 15 1995 15:1838
    
    
    Good morning everybody,
    
    Although I still cannot believe it we are now the CHAMPIONS.
    
    Yesterday, was hell upto 5.45pm.  I watched the game in my local pub as
    I could not afford the black market prices for the tickets and I must
    admit I Sh-t myself.
    
    I'm sure everyone knows the scores and have seen the highlights but
    before people start saying we were lucky don't forget that a league is
    won over 42 games not 1 or 2 at the end of the season and although
    there isn't much between ourselves and United I think this was always
    going to be our year.
    
    Last night in Blackburn was unbelieveable, the police closed all the
    major roads through the town centre as there were people dancing in the
    streets all night.  Tonight is the champions welcome at Ewood were the 
    trophy will be presented to the team in front of a packed Ewood Park. 
    I will be down early to claim a good seat.
    
    What else can I say, this is a dream come true as 5 years ago I was
    watching a team that was heading for the old 3rd division and now we
    are champions of England.
    
    Next year we can look forward to the Champions league and some
    wonderful nights of European football and who knows with most of the
    squad being English we might even do quite well.
    
    One last memory from yesterday,  Jack Walker tears in his eyes holding
    up the championship trophy.  If anyone deserved success Jack does.
    
    Can't wait for tonight.
    
    Regards
    Stephen
                              
202.956TRUCKS::SANTNo sleep 'til bedtimeMon May 15 1995 15:594
    
    	Enjoy, Stephen. You deserve it.
    
    	Andy.
202.957RDGENG::YERKESSbring me sunshine in your smileMon May 15 1995 16:496
	Well done Blackburn and I look forward to seeing
	them in Europe next season. Just hope you don't
	get Trellorborg in the qualifying round.

	Phil.
202.958GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Mon May 15 1995 17:0911
    
    Well done Blackburn. A cracking finish to the championship with United
    having it within grasp for a phenominal 15 minutes at West Ham. It
    would have been a travesty given that United only led for one week & a
    few days here and there.
    
    If United win the cup we'll have the strongest group of representitives
    in Europe for some years with Liverpool, Forest, Newcastle & Leeds in the
    UEFA Cup.
    
    JBG
202.959.....CHEFS::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCMon May 15 1995 17:265
    
    Congratulations to Blackburn, I didnt think they would do it...there
    you go.
    
    Dave...
202.960Totally irrelevant note ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCop for that, our kidMon May 15 1995 17:287
    
    Oi Dave
    
    	Now that he's definitely going, what about my Klinsmann shirt ?
    
    Malc.
    
202.961ADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKMon May 15 1995 19:2110
Congratulations to Kenny's Barmy army.

I was on tenderhooks all the way from Birkenhead to Chester.

It must have been really wierd at Anfield yesterday.

Redknapp scores a cracking goal, and within seconds the Blackburn fans are
celebrating.

Al
202.962Congrats to the Boys at EwoodESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Mon May 15 1995 22:168
202.963Spend spend spendWSTENG::DSMITHTue May 16 1995 00:239
    
    
     Eh, aren't we being a bit presumptous (sp) here lads. Blackburn will
    not be seeded in next seasons European Cup. That means they'll have to
    win a qualifying tie before progressing to the champions league. After
    last seasons effort in Europe, I reckon Kenny Dalglish will need to
    spend a lot more of Uncle Jacks millions to make a challenge in Europe.
    
     Danny.
202.964TUXEDO::HINXMANDreadful human beingTue May 16 1995 02:195
	Considering the sad circumstances surrounding Blackburn's relegation
	from the old Division One, I feel many people will be glad to see
	them resurgent.

	Tony
202.965GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Tue May 16 1995 12:5112
    
    	Why won't Blackburn be seeded into the champions league next year?
    I thought the seeding was based on the performance of clubs from the
    same national league in UEFA competitions over the past few years. On
    that basis surely Blackburn have a good chance of being seeded.
    
    	In any case, I forsee a great year in Europe next season with
    Blackburn doing well in the Champions League, ManU picking up the CWC,
    andd Forest & Liverpool scrapping it out in the final of the UEFA Cup
    8-)
    
    JBG
202.966WOTVAX::NORTHSTue May 16 1995 13:222
    
    
202.967IAINF::SYS_167500Tue May 16 1995 14:2219
    
    re. 965
    
    As far as I know Blackburn won't be seeded. Seeding is based on the
    individual clubs pedigree in Europe, it is not based on the fact the
    Blackburn has won the English Premier title. Blackburn have no
    European pedigree as there only recent appearance was to lose to a 
    part-time team last season. They will have to pre-qualify. It shouldn't
    be a problem though.
     
    I reckon it's a strange decision. Any side who win the English title,
    finishing above clubs with excellent European pedigrees like Man Utd, 
    Arsenal & Liverpool should automatically be seeded. It's good for Glasgow 
    Rangers though, as they jump ahead of Blackburn in the seeding list due 
    to their performance in the Champions League 3 seasons ago.
    
    Del.
    
     
202.968GYMAC::DCASSIDYTue May 16 1995 15:0411
    
    Impossible for Blackburn to be seeded....
    
    Nantes, Porto and Spartak Moscow are ahead of them in the queue.
    
    The uptake on these 3 depend on Ajax winning against Milan (-> UEFA),
    Legia Warsaw's co-efficient being reduced due to preliminary round
    results inclusion and Red Star Belgrade being allowed into the
    competition.
    
    Dezzz.
202.969Don't know if that applies here...VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Tue May 16 1995 15:2416
    >As far as I know Blackburn won't be seeded. Seeding is based on the
    >individual clubs pedigree in Europe, it is not based on the fact the
    >Blackburn has won the English Premier title. Blackburn have no
    >European pedigree as there only recent appearance was to lose to a 
    >part-time team last season. 
    
    I can think of at least one case that contradicts this line of
    argument; about 3 years ago, Parma of Italy were eliminated in the
    first round of the UEFA Cup by a Bulgarian team. The very next season,
    they were seeded in the Cup Winners' Cup...and went on to win the
    trophy!
    
    All of which suggests that results achieved by clubs of the same
    country *are* taken into account.
    
    Dom
202.970Champions ChampionsWOTVAX::NORTHSTue May 16 1995 16:5422
    
    It seems silly that the winners of the English league are not seeded
    into the champions league whoever they are considering that they
    have won one of the hardest leagues in the world.
    
    From what I have heard we have no chance of being seeded and will have
    to qualify, Trelleborg didn't win the Swedish league did thay??
    
    I would hope that we have learn't from last years disaster in Europe
    and hopefully we should be able to progress in the league but I'm
    sure that there will be some other good teams having to qualify.
    
    
    Anyway, last night I went to the champions celebration at Ewood which
    was packed by 7pm with 31,000 Rovers fans.  The trophy was re-presented
    to the team and was paraded around Ewood.  Kenny was also presented
    with the manager of the year award.
    
    
    Regards
    Stephen
    
202.971Contentious comment?MOEUR7::SMITHTue May 16 1995 17:4214
    
    Who says the English League is one of the toughest?  Prove it!!!
    
    If Blackburn are up to it in Europe, and I think there style of play
    will surprise people, then they will sail through the pre-qualifying
    and take part in the competition proper!  It's the same sort of
    discussion [rathole alert] about identity cards, only those who have
    cause to worry are against them.
    
    I've never watched Blackburn play, but, if they are a 'more typical'
    English club, a style more like Arsenal, than European, i.e. boring,
    boring pass the ball around in our half, then they could do well...
    
    Ian
202.972GYMAC::DCASSIDYTue May 16 1995 18:5030
    >I've never watched Blackburn play, but, if they are a 'more typical'
    >English club, a style more like Arsenal, than European, i.e. boring,
    >boring pass the ball around in our half, then they could do well...
    
    	This is 'always' a bone of contention...
    
    I suggest to get a pretty fail analysis of the different 'main' leagues
    in Europe, then pick up a May edition of World Soccer and read what Mr
    Klinnsmann has to say...a well educated, unbiased opinion.
    
    If Blackburn, Newcastle and Aston Villa tried to play a little more
    'European' then they might be sitting on a little more European
    success. As Bob Paisley said...you've got to trade off a few of the
    things you do best to try an snuff out some of the things they do best.
    
    I must admit, at this stage I don't expect Blackburn to do very well
    unless they change the way their defence is organised. They defend too
    deep into their area..some European clubs would set up camp in the
    region just outside the Blackburn Area. You saw what Liverpool did to
    them in the second half on Sunday. McManaman and Redknapp should never
    have been allowed that much freedom to penetrate almost to the 6 yard
    box.
    
    Still it was announced that JW is to spend 10M more on players before
    the season starts. We'll see what comes of it.
    
    Dezzz.  
    
    Dezzz.                                                    
    
202.973Blackburn will be OK if they keep their nerve ...AYOV20::SCMS_999044My usual node is down again...Tue May 16 1995 19:0617
    
    Ian
    
    	I agree that you can't make subjective arguments that one league
    is tougher than another. But it does seem strange that the English
    league can earn extra places in European competitions through good
    performances, then their champions (i.e. the proven best team in that
    league) have then to pre-qualify for the European Champions League.
    
    	Particularly when it means that Rangers DON'T have to pre-qualify.
    
    	I think people are scared of the pre-qualifying rounds because it's
    so easy to slip up and make a fool of yourself more than any other reason.
    I'm sorry, I don't think your identity card analogy holds much water.
    
    Malc.
    
202.974Go for it, BlackburnMOEUR7::SMITHTue May 16 1995 19:5410
    
      OK, sorry about the identity card analogy, best I could think of on
    the spur of the moment!
    
      I personally don't hold with the idea of seeding teams for European
    competitions anyway.  I do like the Champions League, but I think that
    to reduce the teams to the required number for the league, EVERY team
    should play some sort of qualifier, or, get a bye.
    
      Ian
202.975I don't think that would work ...AYOV20::SCMS_999044My usual node is down again...Tue May 16 1995 20:0610
    
    	Do you mean a straight free draw with no seeding ? I think that
    would defeat the whole point of the Champions League as big teams would
    knock each other out in the prelims then have to play a load of
    "minnows" in the leagues proper. I can't see many of the big teams
    agreeing to that scenario as the whole shooting match is being run for
    their benefit, to be brutally honest ...
    
    Malc.
    
202.976VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Tue May 16 1995 21:2631
    >I've never watched Blackburn play, but, if they are a 'more typical'
    >English club, a style more like Arsenal, than European, i.e. boring,
    >boring pass the ball around in our half, then they could do well...
    
    I think you might be surprised to hear that few "experts" in Italy
    considered Arsenal's style to be that of a typical English club side,
    after their recent victory against Sampdoria. Sure, Arsenal play the
    offside trap, and they've got several players who are strong in the air
    at dead ball situations, but these experts thought they were far more
    "cool and calculating" than your average English side. Their idea of
    typical English football is all about blood and thunder, attacking on all 
    fronts and a certain inability to alter the pace of the game. I'd be
    inclined to agree.
    
    >As Bob Paisley said...you've got to trade off a few of the
    >things you do best to try an snuff out some of the things they do best.
    
    I think there's a lot of truth in that. After all, few would deny that AC 
    Milan and Ajax have worked hard on the physical side of their game in
    recent years. Back in the 70s/early 80s, you couldn't find an Italian
    or Spanish side capable of playing for 90 minutes at top speed.
    
    As Dezz pointed out, I think Blackburn, Newcastle and Villa (and
    Manchester United, come to that) still need to become more tactically
    aware if they want to dominate at European level. However, I think that
    the development of individuals like Giggs, Gascoigne, Le Tissier, Barnes,
    McManaman, Waddle, Anderton, Beardsley, etc. (and Hoddle, Currie,
    Brady, MacKenzie, Bowles in the past) indicate that the problem does
    not lie with the skill level of players in this country.
    
    Dom
202.977Come on AJAXMASALA::GMCKEEWed May 17 1995 02:422
    see 472.12 for how the seeding system is supposed to work
    
202.978I hope I'm wrong, but...VARESE::TRNUX1::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Wed May 17 1995 17:029
    Hate to spread any panic amongst Blackburn fans, but Alan Shearer is
    due to be in Italy for 3 days next week. It was announced on a sports
    programme on one of Berlusconi's "Fininvest" channels - in fact, they
    promised that they'd be interviewing him.
    
    Given the absolutely miserable weather right across the country at the
    moment, I rather doubt that he's over here for his holidays ;-)
    
    Dom 
202.979Still not convinced about them...CHEFS::COSSEYNWed May 17 1995 18:3710
    
    I guess that must be the 10 mill Walker has promised Dalglish for
    new players.....
    
    If I was Blackburn I would hold on to Shearer AT ALL COST, even if
    it means making him the highest paid player in this country without
    him they are DOOMED...
    
    Neil..
    
202.980Dalglish CAN talk English shock !AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCop for that, our kidThu May 18 1995 16:1416
    
    	I thought the Dalglish interview cum speech to the nation on
    Sportsnight last night was really very good. He has obviously had a
    chance to calm down a bit since the euphoria of Sunday and is now able
    to look at everything with a bit more perspective and fully realises
    the part that Walker in particular has played in his/the teams success.
    He was very self efacing about the whole business saying he is learning
    so much more about the game from the people around him notably Ray
    Harford, but he mourned the passing of the man who persuaded him to come
    to Blackburn, the chief scout Ronnie Cox (is that right ?) who died not
    long after he arrived at Ewood Park.
    
    	It's enough to bring a tear to even Dave Edwards' jaundiced eye.
    
    Malc.
    
202.981TRUCKS::SANTNo sleep 'til bedtimeThu May 18 1995 16:5110
    
    	Easy to get your mask straight when you've had a couple of days
    	to calm down, Malc.
    
    	The REAL tests come in the heat of the battle/immediately
    	afterwards, and how you present yourself at those pressure times,
    	Mr Dalglish has often let himself down at those moments. So has
    	Ferguson, by the way, although Sunday was an exception.
    
    	Andy.
202.982Give me Brian Clough any day...VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Thu May 18 1995 17:046
    Dalglish even managed to "let himself down" on A Question Of Sport"
    some 15 years ago ;-)
    
    Once a sourpuss...
    
    Dom
202.983At least I think it was....VYGER::REIDINo huns at Hampden....Thu May 18 1995 17:407
    
    re: .980
    
    The guy who died was Bill Fox.
    
    Choppers
    
202.984YUPPY::OHAGANBgive her the gunThu May 18 1995 17:421
    Fox or Foulkes?
202.985Sounds like......VYGER::REIDINo huns at Hampden....Thu May 18 1995 17:435
    
    ......Fox
    
    Choppers
    
202.986Lets get it rightWOTVAX::NORTHSThu May 18 1995 17:4512
    
    Just to correct the last few notes.
    
    The person that Kenny referred to last night was Bill Fox who was the 
    chairman of the Rovers at the time of Kennys appointment and was
    instrumental in convincing Kenny that Ewood was the place to be.
    
    Bill Fox died of cancer only a couple of months after Kenny was
    appointed.
    
    Regards
    Stephen
202.987Apologies to all for previous factual errorsAYOV29::MTHEODORESONCop for that, our kidThu May 18 1995 17:517
    
    	So Jack Walker wasn't the chairman when Wor Kenny arrived ? I
    wonder what persuaded him that joining Blackburn would bring him riches
    beyond his wildest dreams then ? Very interesting ...
    
    Malc.
    
202.988I'm probably wrong but...AYOV29::MPEACOCKThu May 18 1995 17:534
    ...I don't think Jack Walker is the chairman.
    
    Mike
    
202.989Another theory?VYGER::REIDINo huns at Hampden....Thu May 18 1995 18:026
    
    Jack Walker was probably there at the time when Kenny joined, 
    and was a director or something, ready to give them all his money.
    
    Choppers
    
202.990TRUCKS::SANTNo sleep 'til bedtimeThu May 18 1995 18:217
    
    	I think Jack Walker's official title at Blackburn is something
    	like senior vice-president.
    
    	Not Chairman.
    
    	Andy.
202.991Would you work if you were richWOTVAX::NORTHSThu May 18 1995 21:0715
    
    Correct Andy,
    
    Jack Walker is a Senior Vice President of the club and was in that
    position when Kenny was appointed.
    
    Jack has no desire to become chairman as he employs other people to
    run the club for him although theres no doubt that he is consulted on
    all major issues.
    
    Interestingly, Jack Walkers son-in-law was appointed to the board last
    year, no doubt to keep an eye on whats happening.
    
    regards
    Stephen
202.992Hit the JackpotWOTVAX::NORTHSThu May 25 1995 16:1917
    
    According to the papers, teletext, we had been seeded number 6 in the
    Champions League and therefore will not need to qualify for actual
    leagues.
    
    I am confused to how these seedings are worked out but it is great news
    for Blackburn that we are now guaranteed at least 6 games in Europe
    next year.
    
    
    Do we know who the other 5 seeded teams are?
    
    
	
    regards
    Stephen
    
202.993WSTENG::DSMITHThu May 25 1995 16:428
    
    
    Seeds in order as follows,
    
    Ajax, Juventus, Nantes, Werder Bremen/Borussia Dortmund, Real Madrid?,
    Blackburn, Porto and Spartak Moscow.
    
    Danny.
202.994Special English bonusMOEUR8::SMITHFri May 26 1995 12:458
    
    I read, or heard, somewhere (it was either here or during the Champions
    Cup Final) that the performance of a given Nations teams has an impact
    on the seedings...
    
    I understand this to be true, and therefore could explain Blackburn...
    
    Ian
202.995Nothing to do with footballAYOV27::FW_TEMP01John Hussey - Dunure's greatFri May 26 1995 13:015
I suspect ITV promising to give UEFA a few extra buttons to have an English 
team in the Champions League influenced to the change in rules for the
seedings.

Not that I'm cynical....
202.996YUPPY::OHAGANBInformation Highway Drunk DriverFri May 26 1995 17:0110
    Funny you should say that because there is a belief that should
    a European League come about, teams will probably be selected from
    those countries with TV/Satellite companies which have the biggest 
    financial clout. It will have nothing to do with credentials based 
    on a teams Euro performance over X amount of years. So it could be
    goodbye to top flight European football for a lot of less well off
    countries. 
    
    barry 
    
202.997Cost of successWOTVAX::NORTHSWed May 31 1995 16:1723
    
    I have just received my season ticket renewal from Ewood, and I 
    am wondering how this compares with other clubs prices.
    
    My seat which is behind the goal in the Blackburn End will cost
    235.00 next season for league games only.  We also have an option
    to pay 299.00 which will cover ALL league and cup games at Ewood
    next season.  The 235.00 is the same as last year but obviously
    with 2 games less.
    
    Match day prices are held at between 14.00 and 17.50 depending where
    you want to sit.
    
    The club is also providing the option of paying for your season ticket
    by monthly direct debit two months in advance, therefore starting in
    July.  This should allow supportors who find it difficult to find the 
    money to pay for a season ticket all at once to purchase a ticket.
    
    Overall, I think the prices at the Rovers are quite reasonable but I 
    wonder how this compares with other clubs.
    
    Regards
    Stephen
202.998ZUR01::ASHGrahame Ash @RLEWed May 31 1995 16:4610
>    My seat which is behind the goal in the Blackburn End will cost
>    235.00 next season for league games only.  We also have an option
>    to pay 299.00 which will cover ALL league and cup games at Ewood
>    next season.  The 235.00 is the same as last year but obviously

But didn't you lose every single Cup game you played at home last season?! 
But with the Champions League, you're guaranteed a few more, so this looks a 
much better deal than the non-Cup one.

g
202.999YUPPY::PANESLocal Hero ( apparently )Wed May 31 1995 16:489
202.1000CHEFS::STRATFORDSFarnborough - A fine townWed May 31 1995 16:506
    Stuart
    
    Surely it will be called "The Ron Noades Stand" as a tribute to his
    efforts in the racial harmony stakes...8^)
    
    Stuart
202.1001Kenny wants more time to play golf...FORTY2::JONESNeilMon Jun 26 1995 15:115
    
    Heard on radio 4 this morning that Dalglish has been "promoted" to
    Director of Football. Harford is now the manager/coach.
    
    Neil
202.1002I thought things were quietWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Jun 26 1995 17:4426
    
    I thought things were rather quiet in Blackburn this summer and then-
    
    	1.	Kenny has now become Director of Football with Ray Harford
    		becoming the new team manager.  To all the Blackburn fans
    		this is not a great surprise.  Ray has been coaching the
    		team throughout the past 3 years and Kenny was the figure
    		head to attract the players.
    		This seems a natual progression, it gives Kennys time
    		to take a back seat and plan the future and will give
    		Ray the recognition that he deserves.
    
    	2.	Alan Shearer has signed a new 4 year contract and has
    		vowed his commitment to Blackburn.  This again is not 
    		a shock as Alan and his family are settled and the
    		move to Italy is not as attractive as the papers make out.
    
    	3.	I have it on good authority that a certain Andrai Kan??
    		(I still can't spell his name) was at Ewood recently and
    		that talks have reached an advanced stage.  
    		The main stumbling point here is that the last team Utd
    		want to sell him to is us.
    
    Regards
    Stephen
      
202.1003IRNBRU::HOWARDWed Aug 09 1995 12:307
    Kilmarnock 0-5 B'burn
    			Shearer 3
    			Newell 2
    
    report in 50.l
    
    Ray....
202.1004Rovers v QPR - Match ReportWOTVAX::NORTHSMon Aug 21 1995 16:5936
    
    
    Blackburn   1    QPR  0
    
    Shearer 5 (pen)
    
    
    
    Not a great performance but 3 points all the same.
    
    The Rovers started well and were awarded a penalty after Bardsley was
    adjudged to have pushed Shearer.  From where I was sat, quite close to 
    the incident, it did look a penalty although the TV pictures taken from
    a different angle, it looked like Shearer was doing a good dive.
    
    The second half went from bad to worse and with 5 minutes to go
    Sinclair was clear on goal with only Flowers to beat.  Flowers quite
    deliberatley brought him down outside the box and rightly got sent off
    for it.  
    
    Overall, it was a typical first game of the season played in very hot 
    conditions.  In the end, both teams looked very tired.
    
    I am sure the performances will come but at the moment the points are
    more important.  
    
    The biggest cheer of the afternoon was at half time when the announcer
    told Ewood that a certain Man Utd were getting beat 3-0 at Villa.
    
    I'm off to Hilsborough on Wednesday, lets hope for another 3 points.
    
    
    Regards
    Stephen
     
    
202.1005Full House tonight ESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Mon Aug 28 1995 16:3111
202.1006WSTENG::DSMITHThu Sep 14 1995 01:3811
    
    
    Not a lot of activity in here recently.
    
    Tonights Euro score - Blackburn  0  Dynamo Moscow  1
    
    Not a good start to the Champions League tonight, but not surprising
    considering their recent performances and last season's european
    performances.
    
    Danny.
202.1007Finally boris gets a winAIMTEC::WICKS_AAtlanta's Most (In)famous WelshmanThu Sep 14 1995 06:006
    finally a victory for the russkies in their 3rd (or is it 4th) game in
    24 hours.
    
    regards
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
202.1008Not good, but its not over yet.CHEFS::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCThu Sep 14 1995 12:0620
    
    When a team gives the ball away as much as Blackburn did last night,
    what do they expect at the highest level.
    
    Alan Shearer said 9 points will be enough, Ive no idea what the other
    two sides in the group are like, but unless Blackburn adopt something
    that is alittle less predictable than just aiming at Shearer and hoping
    he can do the rest, then I cant really see them getting 3 points, never
    mind 9. They tried that last season and it didnt work against the
    Bakers 11, its hardly going to work against the best teams in Europe.
    
    I'd say they were outclassed last night by a good Russian side. The
    only consolation is that they are probably the best team in the group,
    but on the performance last night, I should'nt think the other two
    teams in the group will be quaking in their boots about the prospect of 
    facing Blackburn.
    
    We shall see.
    
    Dave...
202.1009Yuran but without skill your doomedCHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Sep 14 1995 12:2413
    Blackburn found out the hard way last night that the long ball style
    game will only get you so far against a team who were technically
    superior. Ray Harford should have learnt from Arsenals (mis)adventures
    last year that you do need a certain amount of technical ability
    (Arsenals were all defensive abilities before anyone asks/makes a
    comment) and a lot of luck to get to the finals of a European club 
    tournament.
    
    It was good to see Tim Flowers prove David Seaman is Englands No.1. Has
    Flowers explained why he rushed out of his area for a ball which looked
    to have been covered by the defender?
    
    Stuart 
202.1010Harford out! Dalglish back!AYOV29::MTHEODORESONIt's Bogey Appreciation WeekThu Sep 14 1995 12:5312
    
    > Tim Flowers
    
    	I liked the guys comment on the Chris Evans show this morning
    concerning TF rushing wildly out of his goal and subsequently being
    lobbed by the Russian chappie. He said "Hey Tim. Save your sponsored
    walks for Sunday like everybody else".
    
    	Well it made me laff.
    
    	Malc.
    
202.1011Hardly a surprise...VARESE::TRNUX1::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Thu Sep 14 1995 16:1117
    Can't help thinking that Blackburn appear to be the most mediocre team
    ever to represent England in the European Cup/Champions League. For all
    the money they've spent, and with Sutton on the bench, I can't see any
    quality players apart from Shearer, Le Saux and Batty. OK, Batty's a 
    grafter and a niggly little beggar, but he passes the ball well and he
    usually dominates the midfield regardless of the opposition.
    
    The rest are...mediocre. I've seen Flowers have too many shockers, and
    Hendry, gritty as he is, seems to prefer the Fort Apache style of
    defending (all diving headers and sliding tackles). Pearce, Atkins,
    Sherwood, Berg, Newell and company are hard-working but will never set
    the world alight.
    
    And why oh why do they keep saying that they learned something from
    their first round elimination last year?
    
    Dom 
202.1012CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Sep 14 1995 17:0810
    Dom,
    
    >And why oh why do they keep saying that they learned something from
    >their first round elimination last year?
    
    But they did, dear chap. They learnt that they aren't good enough to
    win a European trophy hence they have been telling the media the truth
    when they say they aren't good enough.
    
    Stuart
202.1013We are not worthy...VARESE::TRNUX1::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Thu Sep 14 1995 18:1311
    >But they did, dear chap. They learnt that they aren't good enough to
    >win a European trophy hence they have been telling the media the truth
    >when they say they aren't good enough.
    
    Come again? You mean to say they keep telling the press "we're not good
    enough"? Oh well, I suppose it beats the "We think we're a match for
    anyone" school of soccerspeak.
    
    And don't you dear chap me, Master Stuart...
    
    Dom
202.1014yCHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Sep 14 1995 18:1711
    Dom, young man,
    
    I'll dear chap whomsoever I choose!
    
    Anyhow, Harford was widely quoted in the Press as saying that Blackburn
    would give it their best shot, blah blah blah, strong group, blah,
    blah, blah, no easy matches in Europe. In other words, he knew they
    were crap and was telling us so.
    
    Master Stuart
    
202.1015Bring back Dalglish!AYOV29::MTHEODORESONWhere's me pudding ?Mon Sep 18 1995 13:2110
    
    Stuart
    
    	For the purposes of the you-know-what competition, does Ray Harford
    count as the first managerial casualty of the season ?
    
    	I wonder how many people picked him ...
    
    Malc.
    
202.1016CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosMon Sep 18 1995 13:265
    Malc,
    
    Yep. As for picking him, I believe one smart-arse did.
    
    Stuart
202.1017easiest group and they still can't winIB002::BREADIEThu Sep 28 1995 02:262
    Beaten again !   What happened, what was the score ? Will you do a 
    champions one year relegated the next ?
202.1018CHEFS::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCThu Sep 28 1995 10:577
    
    2-1
    
    Yet another unbelievably bad display by the English Champions in the
    Champions League.
    
    Dave...
202.1019CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Sep 28 1995 10:583
    Did somebody miss a penalty? I was flicking through the channels.
 
    Stuart
202.1020Oh Well - There is always next yearIOSG::LAYNEThu Sep 28 1995 11:409
    The team from Norway (??) missed a penalty on the stroke of half time.
    The commentators didn't think it was a penalty, but then, English
    commentators can be just a bit biased.  I thought it was a penalty.
    
    Poor display by Blackburn and although I don't really care how most
    English clubs do in Europe, I was very disappointed that Blackburn (The
    Champions of England), couldn't once again beat a bunch of part-timers.
    
    William
202.102120+ million for Ale house football.YUPPY::OHAGANBFri Sep 29 1995 18:521
    Mediocrity in motion.
202.1022REDBUS::SYS_167500Sat Sep 30 1995 21:505
    
    ITV have ditched Blackburn and instead will show Juventus v Rangers to
    the whole of Britain on the 18th.
    
    Del.
202.1023Bored Bored Bored Bored BoredCHEFS::CROSSATue Oct 03 1995 12:3511
    Forgot to say yesterday......... 
    
    It looked like the only Blackburn player who was going to score on
    Saturday was Flowers. That is with Fjortoft of course after their
    impromptu snog !!! What the hell (ties in with topic title !!) was that
    all about then ???? First he cuffs him round the head, next second
    tongue sarnies. Does Mrs Flowers have to put up with this kind of
    foreplay ???
    
    
    			Stretch.
202.1024CHEFS::EDWARDSDTue Oct 03 1995 12:541
    Any particular reason for your interest Stretch ?
202.1025Change of note title to -w.t.h.h.h.t.Tim Flowers ????CHEFS::CROSSATue Oct 03 1995 13:063
    Check the top of the note Dave.
    
    		Stretch.
202.1026CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosTue Oct 03 1995 13:215
    Stretch,
    
    Why are you interested in what Timmy and Mrs Flowers get up to? 
    
    Stuart
202.1027Lars BohinenSIOG::SMYTHWed Oct 04 1995 13:163
202.1028home improvementsCOMICS::HAWLEYIHere's 10p. Phone a man who cares!Thu Oct 19 1995 13:0219
I was battling hard with an MFI table last night. 

"Pass me that KD screw"
	"Whats a KD screw?!?"
"A long thing with ridges"
	"This?"
"No, thats a hinge!"

Final Score:  Mr + Mrs Hawley  2-1  MFI Table
(The table missed a clear chance to draw level late on, when it actually stood
up and didnt fall over!)

The upshot of all this, is I missed all the European football.

What was the score in the Blackburn game against the Polish team?


Ian$DIY_enthusiast
202.1029MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Oct 19 1995 13:161
    1-0 to the Polish team....
202.1030No mention of 7 goals?MOEUR8::SMITHMon Nov 20 1995 12:522
    
    ...and no mention of Shearer's hat trick?
202.1031Return to form at last ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONReturn of the irrelevant oneMon Nov 20 1995 13:038
    
    	And no mention of Nottingham Forests unbeaten record finishing (ever
    so slightly).
    
    	Rumours of Kenny Dalglish going to Wolves as manager, btw.
    
    Malc.
    
202.1032Whatever happenned?MOEUR8::SMITHThu Nov 23 1995 11:3318
    
    A 1-1 draw at home, second point in the group, but...
    
    What were Le Saux and the other guy doing?  Did they mistake the green
    grass for a boxing ring?
    
    The French commentators were SCANDALISED.  They recalled the Cantona @
    Crystal Palace incident.  One guy made the comment :-
    
    	"If Cantona got a long ban for MISSING a spectator, how long will
    these two get for HITTING each other?"
    
    They 'hoped' that the English FA would take strong action in a fashion
    consistent with that handed out to Cantona.
    
    Hmm!
    
    Ian
202.1033He hit the target in that gameCHEFS::PANESDebbie Magee: Old dog - new tricksThu Nov 23 1995 11:4011
                     <<< Note 202.1032 by MOEUR8::SMITH >>>
                            -< Whatever happenned? >-

    
    
>    	"If Cantona got a long ban for MISSING a spectator, how long will
>    these two get for HITTING each other?"
    
      MISSING!!!! Phwahhahhhahhhaa.

      Stuart
202.1034CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Nov 23 1995 11:436
    Mr Panes,
    
    Of course he missed. Only a paranoid Crystal Palace fan would think he
    hit the fan. 
    
    Stratto
202.1035AYOV29::MTHEODORESONReturn of the irrelevant oneThu Nov 23 1995 11:4413
    > A 1-1 draw at home, second point in the group, but...

    	What ???

    	The game I saw was 3-0 away, Colin Hendry sent off, David Batty and
    Graham Le Saux showing true team unity on the pitch, one point (still)
    in the group ...

    	Harford must go. Bring back Dalglish.

    	Malc.

202.1036CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Nov 23 1995 11:489
    What the papers, etc, seem to have missed is that in trying to
    separate Batty and Le Saux, Sherwood actually chinned le Saux. Nice
    one. 
    
    I thought Shearer had an impressive game (again) last night. Certainly
    ran the Moscow defence ragged and answered his critics about not being
    able to play against European defenders.
    
    Stuart
202.1037IMHOIOSG::LAYNEThu Nov 23 1995 12:0910
    Re -1
    
    >> Certainly ran the Moscow defence ragged...
    
    What game were you watching, I Shearer had one shot on target, that
    doesn't sound like running the defence ragged.
    
    Shearer is a good player, but I think the Europeans have him sussed!
    
    William
202.1038Oooops, sorry.MOEUR8::SMITHThu Nov 23 1995 12:147
    
    Sorry if I got the score wrong, I guess I must be confusing it with
    another game!  Was it really 3-0?
    
    Oh dear.
    
    Ian
202.1039CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Nov 23 1995 12:197
    re -2
    
    William,
    
    Ever heard of sarcasm? 
    
    Stuart
202.1040Now what was that teams name?IOSG::LAYNEThu Nov 23 1995 12:3610
    Re -1,
    
    Yes, I should have known -:) - Got me.
    
    RE -2.
    
    The Rangers v who_ever_they_played finished 1-1.  I must admit, a giid
    goal by Gascoigne.
    
    William
202.1041Make your minds upCHEFS::JAMESPThu Nov 23 1995 14:2614
    
    Interesting game and comments at last night Blacburn game,
    Alan Parry and St John were constantly moaning about no
    British teams build up through midfield and generally make 
    it difficult for the opposition to retrieve the ball.
     
    This was said to be the way forward for the British teams.
    
    Compare this to the Mersey derby when Ian Rush was complaining
    that Liverpool's passing game was redundant and they should 
    have reverted to the long ball.
    
    Pj
      
202.1042A new career for Tim ?AYOV29::MTHEODORESONBest bang a tune on, our kidFri Dec 15 1995 12:466
    
    	Has anybody heard this Tim Flowers Pops record which is a version
    of Oasis's Wonderwall ? They say it will get to Number One at Christmas.
    
    Jovial John Peel.
    
202.1043Anyone else see this?VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Thu Jan 04 1996 15:039
    I'm surprised no one has commented on the injury Graham Le Saux
    sustained against 'Boro. I saw it on Italian TV and looked quite the
    most horrendous injury I've seen in a long while. They played it back
    in slow motion (ugh!), and the commentator mentioned that Le Saux had a
    dislocated hip (?) and broken leg.
    
    So I presume it's no EC96 for him?
    
    Dom
202.1044IRNBRU::HOWARDLovely Day for a GuinnessWed Aug 07 1996 13:554
    Rumours abound that Klinsmann could be returning to the Premiership.
    Apparently they're offering him 35,000 quid a week!!!!
    
    Ray....
202.1045CHEFS::CROSSAHere's 10pWed Aug 07 1996 14:136
    The radio said he had actually been to Ewood for discussions so there
    is some smoke here. and they have a little bit of dosh spare at the
    moment!
    
    
    			Stretch.
202.1046CHEFS::CROSSARoadrunner,Roadrunner!Got my radio on!Wed Aug 07 1996 18:0612
    Off IRN....
    
    Blackburn Rovers chairman Robert Coar is refusing to comment on 
    speculation that Jurgen Klinsmann is set to join the club. 
          
    It's believed the 1995 champions want the Bayern Munich striker as a
    replacement for world record signing Alan Shearer. 
          
    But the former Spurs favourite is also being tracked by Manchester 
    United. 
    
    
202.1047Hotly denied in Munich as wellZUR01::ASHGGrahame Ash @RLEWed Aug 07 1996 18:157
Apparently Klinsmann's 'people' (agent, lawyer, whoever) called a press 
conference this morning to announce that the British press were making it all 
up (how DARE they criticise our papers!) and that he's staying at Bayern.

Whether they're any more believable than the papers is debatable.

grahame
202.1048IRNBRU::HOWARDAh go on! go on, go on, go on!Thu Aug 22 1996 16:293
    Any thoughts on King Kenny walking away from ANOTHER job?...
    
    Ray....
202.1049The ship is sinkingCHEFS::JAMESPThu Aug 22 1996 16:414
    
    Only I wish I could afford to do the same.....
    
    Pj
202.1050ZUR01::ASHGGrahame Ash @RLEThu Aug 22 1996 17:193
What's happened? What was/is his job anyway?

g
202.1051IRNBRU::61549::SpikeYes it does, dosen't it?Thu Aug 22 1996 17:296
Wasn't moved to Director of coaching or some such when he walked out as the
manager. I recond the move is to make way fro Keegan when he gets punted at
Christmas for the dreadful run Newcastle are going to have.

Rgd, Steve

202.1052New Bloke needed CHEFS::JAMESPThu Aug 22 1996 20:3110
    
    yep he was the director of coaching, however the Blackburn manual in
    paragraph 3 said "pump the ball 30/40/50 yrds to Shearer and watch 
    as he puts leathery white thing into holey stringy thing"
    
    This page has obviously needed updating as "pump the ball 30/4050 yrds
    to small dwarf like bloke called fenton" does'nt quite have the same 
    results.
    
    Pj
202.1053Jumping ship before it sinks???CHEFS::CROSSANuns! Reverse! Reverse! Tue Oct 08 1996 17:3313
202.1054Was this score true ??PATE::POUNDERWed Oct 23 1996 02:005
202.1055Harford on tight rope!PGREEN::MACDONALDIWed Oct 23 1996 12:0511
202.1056No major shock.CHEFS::CROSSADrop The Drunk DonkeyFri Oct 25 1996 16:3229
202.1057This is a bit more of a surprise.......CHEFS::CROSSADrop The Drunk DonkeyFri Oct 25 1996 16:3715
202.1058My news is crap here...PATE::POUNDERSat Oct 26 1996 00:506
202.1059Monday Night's Match...MSDOA::DWBROWNWed Nov 27 1996 04:2015
202.1060Next yearCHEFS::16.43.128.229::MadAre you suggesting coconuts migrate ?Wed Feb 26 1997 19:0417
FOOTBALL

Roy Hodgson has been named as the new Blackburn Rovers manager.

The current Inter Milan manager will take over at the start of next 
season.

Sven Goran Ericksson was expected to take over at Ewood Park, but 
the Sapdoria manager turned down the job last week.

Hodgson was manager of the Swiss national side before moving to 
Italy.


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