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Fixtures for Season 91/92.......
    
    
    Aug 17  a  Arsenal
        21  h  Norwich City
        24  h  Coventry City
        28  a  Liverpool
        31  a  Sheffield Wednesday
    Sep  4  h  West Ham United
         7  h  Southampton
        14  a  Tottenham Hotspur
	18  a  Luton Town
        21  h  Chelsea
        28  a  Crystal Palace
    Oct  5  h  Nottingham Forest
        19  a  Wimbledon
        26  h  Everton
    Nov  2  h  Aston Villa
        16  a  Leeds United
        23  h  Oldham Athletic
        30  a  Notts County
    Dec  7  h  Sheffield United
        14  a  Manchester City
        21  a  Norwich City
        26  h  Liverpool
        28  h  Sheffield Wednesday
    Jan  1  a  Manchester United
        11  a  Coventry City
        18  h  Arsenal
    Feb  1  h  Wimbledon
         8  a  Everton
        15  a  Oldham Athletic
        22  h  Notts County
        29  a  Sheffield United
    Mar  7  h  Manchester City 
        11  h  Leeds United
        14  a  Aston Villa
        21  h  West Ham United
        28  h  Manchester United
    Apr  4  a  Southampton
        11  h  Tottenham Hotspur
        18  a  Chelsea
        20  h  Luton Town
        25  a  Nottingham Forest
    May  2  h  Crystal Palace
    
    

    
    Well its good the be back in noting land again......
    
    I see Paul Parker finally got his wish to move to a bigger
    club . I was suprised he went Man Utd , I thought Liverpool
    or Spurs would have bought him . For 1.7 million I reckon
    Man Utd will get good value as to where they play him only
    time will tell .
    
    The only player I've heard of Gerry Francis buying is some
    guy called Holloway (I think) from Bristol Rovers  .
    Gerry probably knows him from his days at Bristol Rovers so
    I reckon he will probably be fairly usefull....
    
    Anyway lets hope we have a good Season , maybe I will get my
    trip to Wembley this year...who knows...
    
    Come on you RRRRR'ssssss
    
    
    jm

    ...yeah Parker looks  a good b(u)ye
    
    
 ........   2 goals in two games
    
    
    
    
    
    
    ..own goals!!!!!
    
    
    
    come on "U REDS"
                    M.J.

    At least he doesn't score OGs in cup finals !!!!
    
    
    					Hass...(-:

    
    > At least he doesn't score OGs in cup finals !!!!
    
    
    Give it time....
    
    :-)
    
    Ian.
    

    I was speaking to a bloke over the weekend who sells BMWs to
    the Liverpool transfer agent.  He said the transfer agent told him that
    Liverpool, QPR and Parker had agreed terms etc. but he failed the
    medical. Or to be exact the insurers of Liverpool would not insure
    Parker on evidence of the results of his medical.
    
    Makes you wonder.
    
    Anyway heres to a new season under Francis and lets hope it is more
    successful than last year.  I read in a paper the other day that
    Francis actually pulled on the blue and white and played in a friendly
    is this true ?????
    
    		Brian.

    With reliable source like you have, you should write for the Sun.

    
    Mark Falco has joined Millwall for 175,000 pounds...
    Mark has been very injury prone for the last few years .
    it will be interesting to see how he does at Millwall..
    
    Has anyone got any idea what the lineup will be on Saturday..
    
    'Till the next time
    
    jm
    
    
    

    
    We nearly pulled it off on Saturday , nearly beat the Arse at
    their own place . What a pity....
    By all accounts Rangers played very well . 
    What a good start , getting a draw away to the so called champs
    can't be bad...
    
    Friday was the first time I heard of Denis Bailey . 
    Bailey joined QPR from Birmingham during the Summer for 175,000 .
    Gerry Francis reckones he got a real bargain .
    He looks a very good buy . Ian Holloway came on for the injured
    Ray Wilkins , by all accounts he did very well....
    
    Good start Rangers , a win at home this Wednesday against Norwich City
    would do very nice thank you...
    
    'till the next time
    
    jm 

    
    Saturday's Team
    
    				Stejskal
    
    Bardsley		Peacock		Maddix		Brevett
    
    Bailey		Wilkins		Barker		Sinton
    
    		Ferdinand			Wegerle
    
    Sub.	Holloway  for Wilkins (injured)
    
    Looks a very good side
    
    jm

    Anybody see the Hull game last night.
    
    May not be a great acheivement beating a third division team, but it's
    only the second time I've smiled all season.
    
    The newspaper reporty I've read, doesn't actually go as far as to say
    whetherthe R's had a good game or not !.
    
    Ian

    
    Well I'm back after my month off work and I see in my absense  not
    much has been happening in this note . Anyway we can start afresh
    from here . Also when most of your replies just dissappear it
    doesn't help , it doesn't encourage you to reply anymore .
    
    Things haven't been going very well at the Bush . It looks like it
    going to be a tough season .
    
    Andy Sinton hasn't moved yet . Liverpool and Everton seem to be
    interested in David Bardsley . Some German team can't remember which
    are supposed to be interested in Roy Wegerle . 
    Funny times these at the Bush .
    
    I must say QPR's new jersey/shirt/singlet is beautiful .
    My Uncle is in Ireland this week and he brought one of the jerseys
    to my young son , who needless to say is over the moon with it .
    I was highly impressed with the jersey , I must get one myself.
    
    Keep reading you guys
    
    
    Come on you RRRR's
    
    
    jm
    

    Hello fellow QPR fans.  Another away win against the Dons yesterday.
    Lets hope we can keep it up.....winning that is. I also want to know :
    
    When are QPR gonna win a home league match ?
    
    When are QPR gonna be out of the bottom four ?
    
    Soon, I hope, is the answer to both.
    
    
    Come on you super hoopsaaaaaaaah!
    
    
    Jerome.

    >When are QPR gonna win a home league match ?
    
    26th October 1991.
    
    QPR 3 Everton 1
    
    At last!
    
    Come on you Super Hoopsaaaaaah!
    Jerome.

    Another non-defeat ??
    
    We're not starting to use some of that consistency stuff are we ?
    
    From what little they showed on TV last night (1 QPR attempt, 4-5 Man
    C. attempts, and only 3 Stejkal (is that how it's spelt) error's we may
    have been lucky to get away with it.
    
    Is it true that we've spent some money on a no 3rd Division player,
    Gary Penrice ? About time we bought somebody with a bit of top class
    experience.
    
    According to my list, it's Villa at home on Saturday, with another good
    display, we could be in a position to move up a few in the league,
    
    Come on you RRRRRRRRRR's
    
    Ian
    
    P.S. My flat is only 20 minutes walk for Loftus Road, so if any of you
    other RRRRRR's fans are going to any matches let me know, and I may
    invite myself along, espacially the Man City replay.
    
    I

    
    Andy Sinton has finally come off the transfer list which is good
    news as Sinton is a very useful player .  Andy has also made the
    England squad for next week game in Poland...well done Andy .
    
    Anyone see Penrice playing yet ???????
    
    Come on you RRRRR'ssss
    
    jm
    

    Can anyone tell me how to get to Loftus Road ? I think I have
    to get the tube to White City, but after that I haven't a clue.

    
    I always used to go to White City station - it's only about a five
    minute walk straight down a road called South Africa Road (or something
    like that) - I think you can see the floodlights from the tube station.
    
    Paul

    Man U 1 QPR 4
    
    Excellent display by rangers yesterday who simply demolished Man U.
    Although Bailey who scored the Hat trick was man of the match it has an
    excellent team performance. When Gerry Francis arrived there were a lot
    of expectations that QPR qould do well as he had ambitions. Maybe
    patience was required but QPR really do look like a good team now.
    
    It will be interesting to see how they do in the next feq games.
    Rangers have a habit of beating good teams but then failing to teams
    they should beat. Southampton fall into this category and it should be
    interesting to see who they fare at the dell this saturday in teh FA
    cup. I was at the dell last year wehn Rangers were demolished 3-0 in
    the league but am tempted to go back for what should be a good win to
    see them through the next round of teh FA cup.
    
    Prediction - a draw with Rangers winning the replay at Sheperds Bush.
    
    Martin

    
    Following our great result against Man Utd , it was dissappointing
    to go out of the Cup so soon . I did't see any highlights but by
    all accounts it was a very good game...
    Anyway I blame Jimmy Greaves , he tipped QPR for the Cup which
    was definately a kiss of death...
    Not to Worry ...I fancy Chelsea to go a long way in the Cup
    but then again that may be another kiss of death...
    
    Come on you RRR'ssss
    
    jm

    Happy new year JM. I have been out of the office quiet a lot these days
    hence the lack of notes entries.
    
    I went to the Southampton game after the Man U win and it was terrible.
    QPR seem to fall to pieces when they come up against a 'physical' team.
    Wegerle was awful. I see he was substituted again last Saturday by
    Penrice who pulled back two golas at the end.
    
    I expect Penrice to start rather than Wegerle this Saturday. I am
    tempted to go as they should easily beat Arsenal on current form.
    
    Martin

    Happy New Year to you MQ....
    
    Good result against the Arse....Rest of the season should be
    fairly noneventful with nothing more to play for but a fairly
    high League position...Who knows we may even finish top
    London team in Div One....
    
    As for this Notes file...I kinda lost interest for a while
    after we lost half our entries some months back , but I do
    check in now and again...pressure of work to blame...
    
    Hang in there
    
    Come on you RRRR'rrrrr
    
    
    jm

    Yeh its a bit mored difficult now checking on whats happening. I have
    been out of the office most of the time recently. Will probbaly go and
    see the game against Notts County tomorrow. First game in ages and I
    dont expect it to be a classic.
    
    Prediction another draw - 1-1

    QPR 1 Notts County 1
    
    Yes as expected another draw. I missed the first 10 minutes which
    Rangers attacked and looked good. However the rest of the first half
    was terrible.
    
    The second half got off to a flying start with Rangers making a clever
    move down the right and a good pass from Wilkins to Ferdinand who made
    no mistake. However as often happens when a team scores - they loose
    concentration and county hit one back 2 minutes later. It was an easy
    goal and the only positive move from the pies throughout the whole of
    the second half. COunty were awful really negative and cynical and
    Rangers were all over them for the next 25 minutes and should have been
    3-1 up if they had better finishing. The closest wes Ferdinand whose
    powerful header hit of the inside of the bar and cam eback out.
    
    The way county played they deserve to go down. The premier league wont
    be a success with their negative cynical attitude but they got the
    point they were looking for.

    
    Hi ,
    
    Roy Wegerle has moved to Blackburn for 1.5 million .
    
    I will be sorry to see Roy moving as he was a throw back to
    the Rodney Marsh/Stan Bowles era . Best of luck Roy , I'm
    sure you will be a massive hit at Ewood Park..
    
    I think Roy's move was obviuos ever since Gerry Francis took over.
    Roy didn't seem to fit into Gerry's plans...
    
    Time will tell as to how Rangers cope without Wegerle...
    
    QPR's loss definately Blackburn's gain....
    
    Come on you RRRR'rrrrrrrrr 
    
    jm

    Wegerle went to fincance safety improvements needed at Loftus Rd.
    
    jb.

    .27 is correct. Francis was annoyed that he had to sell Wegerle.
    However he has a reasonable squad and I think QPR did well in making a
    bit of profit from Wegerle.
    
    Since the county game QPR have
    Beaten Man City 4-0
    Beaten Leeds 4-1
    Beaten Villa 1-0
    
    and are now 8th in the table. Hopefully they will put a few Past Man U
    in 2 weeks time. Leeds could also do QPR a favour by beating the Arse
    as the best QPR can do now is to finish as the top London Club in the
    first 6.
    
    The Leeds game was the best I have seen for ages - good passing
    football from both teams. I think the difference was Wilkins role
    against that of Strachen. Both were the pivotal part in each team but I
    think Wilkins timely passes gave him the edge on the night.
    
    Speaking of Stan Bowles - he was in court last week on some drink
    related charge. Apparently he is living in Brentford, unemployed and
    broke.  A bit sad really. Another old boy Rodney Marsh was at the Man
    CIty game the week before last.
    
    Martin

    
    	At the moment I'm reluctant to say ANYTHING about football! But
    Rodney Marsh was also a City player. And he was probably shouting for
    City until about the same time I turned the radio off, I think it was
    the third goal! :-( 
    
    	Anyway good luck to QPR, Francis seems to be doing a good job
    there.
    
    		Steve
    
    	Oh well, at least Wigan thrashed Leeds on Sunday!

    
Finally got around to moving this.  Usual plea follows
    
    Please please please do a directory before creating a new topic.
    
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    		QPR 4 	Leeds 1 (and lucky to get one)
    
               
    Great win for the lads last night . ( even if they were playing a
    mickey-mouse team )
    
    We've done the double over United and Leeds (We should be top of the
    table !)
    
    Q. What have John Lukic and Michael Jackson got in common ?
    
    A. They both wear gloves for no apparent reason .
    
    
    
    
    

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SHAWB1::STOCKMANS                                    10 lines  12-MAR-1992 18:09
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RE .0

Which United might that be?

Cos it ain't Man.Utd.

We're due at your place on 28th March all being well.


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MACNAS::JMURPHY "It's a Funny Old Game..."            7 lines  16-MAR-1992 10:36
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    Hi Guys ,
    
    If ye want to talk about QPR why not use note 58....
    Moderator could you oblige...
    
    jm
    

    Thought I'd pop up to Loftus Road for this one, think I did the right
    thing, as it was a bl**dy good game to watch, trouble is I can't quite
    understand why the ref was watching a different game to me.
    
    QPR had a superb first half, totally dominated, and shold have been at
    least three up. Ray Wilkins (as usual) was a majestic character, always
    appearring to have loads of time on the ball. Sinton threatened
    throughout.
    
    The second was a different matter, Spurs started to play, and  Rangers
    (especially Wilkins) lost their way a little. Then all the stupidness
    started up, Spurs (especially Van Den Hawe (Sp.)) started to niggle at
    QPR with little shoves and ankle kicks, the QPR lads made the mistake
    of letting themselves get rattled, retaliated, booked, and eventually
    MacDonald got sent off. Although retaliation doesn't represent a
    pleasant side to Football, the ref was far too harsh, the number of
    cards he produced was well over the top.
    
    As far as the goals go, nice through ball by Ian Holloway set Sinton up
    for a well taken goal, didn't see the Spurs goals, as the two six foot
    nine inch Spurs gorrillas sitting in front of me obscured my view, but 
    both goals were scored from within a couple of yards.
    
    
    All in all, although the result went against us, this was certainly
    a performance which make RRRRRRRRRRRRR'd fans look forward to next
    season with enthusiasm,
    
    Cheers,
    
    Ian

    Sounded like a good game. Decorating go in the way of attending. A
    visit to friends in Cambridge on Saturday will probably mean missing
    the Chelsea game. I predict a sunny day which is great for away fans at
    Stamford Bridge and a 2-2 draw with good footie from both sides.
    
    Martin
    

    My brother's going to the bridge, so I'll se if I can get a report from
    him.
    
    Chelsea 1 - QPR 3
    
    Ian

    
    Nice to see a few new noters joining in....
    
    Season nearly over.....which for Rangers was fairly non-eventful...
    
    Beating Man Utd 4-1 away probably the highlight , then the 
    following week losing in the Cup at Southampton..Jimmy Greaves has
    a lot to answer for....
    
    Gerry Francis picked up a managers of the month award for March..
    good for him....
    
    Next season ,,, who knows what that will hold.....
    A trip to Wembley would do nicely......
    
    Come on you RRRRRRRR'ssss
    
    jm

    re 34
    
    A trip to Wembley is highly unlikely.

    Bit late, but finally spoken to bruv about the Chelsea game.
    
    Again it would appear that we can feel hard done by, but this time more
    of our own making.
    
    The game itself was a pretty dull 'end of season - nothing to win -
    nothing to lose affair', nobody on the pitch really looked as if they
    could be bothered with it all.               
    
    Chelsea had 3 chances, 2 successfull, RRRRRRRRRRR's had a damn site
    more than that, but wasted far too many.
    
    Let's just hope this isn't typical of us next season, if we carry on
    playing this style of football, but convert our chances, we should be
    up there with the big guns
    
    Come on you RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR's
    
    Ian

    Notts Forest 1 - 1 QPR
    
    Thought I'd make this my 4th successive R's game. Quite impressed with
    the City Ground; less so with NF's #2 & his fouls on Sinton. N Clough
    played at centre-back with DesW; no Physco Pearce.
    
    Bardsley had a good game; enjoyed the "England's number 2" chants no
    doubt.
    
    Forest's #5 was lively (didn't have a programme; I think it was
    Gemmil). Indeed, the Sunday papers confirm Gemmil as their scorer.
    Spoilt my day: we were 1-up after Allen scored (again!).
    
    
    Question: why doesn't Gerry Francis play Barker? In the last 4 games
    I'd have taken off Impey to give Simon a chance. In my occasional
    visits to the Loft earlier this season he always looked sharp; and he
    has scored a few.
    
    John (pondering making the hike from B'stoke to Loftus Rd for last game
    against Crystal Palace) W.
    

QPR 1 - 0 Crystal Palace

Fairly anonymous end-of-season game, played in a mixture of weathers.

QPR's goal game early in first half, from an own goal (-don't know if any QPR
player will try to claim it).

Simon Barker came in the team for Sinton (injured mid-week in the
England-CIS game); other team unchanged. Thus to answer my own question in -.1:
Barker had the ball several times around Palace's penalty area, but never did
much with it! Reckon he's short of match sharpness, having been on the subs
bench so much recently.

Clive Wilson was voted "QPR Player of the Year" by the supporters, with Sinton
2nd, and Andy Impey as "Young Player of the Year". (I reckon, to be fair, that
Wilkins should get an "Old Player of the Year" award!).

John (looking forward to next season: can the R's get a place in Europe?) W

    
    JBD,
    
    do you know any other Deccie QPR supporters that you can get together
    for the noters tourny?
    
    Loz.

    
>    do you know any other Deccie QPR supporters that you can get together
>    for the noters tourny?

I don't know ANY QPR supporters, let alone Deccie ones that play!

    
    According to reports.....
    
    Simon Barker , Danny Maddix and Denis Bailey are available 
    for transfer.....
    
    Targets for Gerry Francis include Mark Bright and Dion Dublin....
    
    Time will tell....
    
    Have a nice summer .....
    
    jm

Read in the Sunday Express a week or two ago that Ray Wilkins has
signed up for another year with QPR. This quashes speculation about
him taking player/manager posts with lower-league clubs.

	Fixtures for Season 92/93......

	Anything happening at the Bush....
	
	Any transfer activity..


	jm

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	Upper case = Home Games		Lower case =  Away Gammes

Aug 15  Manchester City
Aug 19  SOUTHAMPTON
Aug 22  SHEFFIELD UNITED
Aug 26  Coventry City
Aug 29  Chelsea
Sep 02  ARSENAL
Sep 05  IPSWICH TOWN
Sep 12  Southampton
Sep 19  MIDDLESBROUGH
Sep 26  Manchester United
Oct 03  TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR
Oct 17  Norwich City
Oct 24  LEEDS UNITED
Oct 31  Aston Villa
Nov 07  Wimbledon
Nov 21  LIVERPOOL
Nov 28  Blackburn
Dec 05  OLDHAM ATHLETIC
Dec 12  CRYSTAL PALACE
Dec 19  Sheffield Wednesday
Dec 26  Nottingham Forest
Dec 28  EVERTON
Jan 09  Middlesbrough
Jan 16  MANCHESTER UNITED
Jan 27  CHELSEA
Jan 31  Sheffield United
Feb 06  MANCHESTER CITY
Feb 09  Ipswich Town
Feb 13  Arsenal
Feb 20  COVENTRY CITY
Feb 27  Tottenham Hotspur
Mar 06  NORWICH CITY
Mar 09  Liverpool
Mar 13  WIMBLEDON
Mar 20  Oldham Athletic
Mar 24  BLACKBURN ROVERS
Apr 03  Crystal Palace
Apr 10  NOTTINGHAM FOREST
Apr 12  Everton
Apr 17  SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY
May 01  Leeds United
May 08  ASTON VILLA

    
    I see our first game away to Man City will be shown live
    on SKY Sports on Monday night Aug 17th....
    As far as I know this will be worth 65,000 pounds to both
    teams...the home team definately get 65,000 so I presume
    the away team get it as well.....
    
    Only problem for me is I won't have Sky Sports until early
    September.....
    
    'till the next time
    
    jm
    

Just reading last month's QPR supports club newsletter:

o   stadium re-development continues at Loftus Road, mainly to South Africa
    stand. New, bigger seats means a reduction in the number of seats.

o   QPR open day, Sunday 9th August, Burlington Danes School, Du Cane Rd, W12

o   Dennis Bailey has signed a new 3-yr contract;
    Andy Sinton still has 3 yrs of his to go...

o   Pre-season friendlies: several games in Scandanavia, then:
	1-Aug	Brentford away 3pm
	8-Aug   Fulham away 3pm
       10-Aug   Luton away 7.45pm

			John "Always There" W

RE .45

>o   stadium re-development continues at Loftus Road, mainly to South Africa
>    stand. New, bigger seats means a reduction in the number of seats.


Not more sofas....!!!!!!

    
    Good start to the Season , 7 points out of 9 , good stuff...
    Some great goals scored as well , Sinton V Man City . Ferdinand v
    Sheff Utd.....
    Away to Coventry tonight , should gert at least a point out of this.
    If we win won't we go top of the table....Nice Thought....
    
    Keep it up , where are the you noters gone.....
    
    Come on you Rrrr'sssss
    
    JM
    
    I was wearing my Green and White hooped QPR Jersey all Summer...
    Looked really good....
    The Green and White hooped shirt is QPR's third choice shirt ,
    There is talk of the Green and White hooped shirt becoming second
    choice...Any comments anyone......
    
    jm

> re: Note 58.47 by MACNAS::JMURPHY "It's a Funny Old Game..."
>
>    There is talk of the Green and White hooped shirt becoming second
>    choice...Any comments anyone......

	Yeah, the second strip, red and black, is bloddy awful, although 
	green and white is too 'celtic' for my taste. Why don't they go
	for red and white hoops ?

	Good start to the season for the R's...will it last ? Of course it
	won't !!! Unless I start concentrating on that blue spot again that is.

		p1

    
    Great Night all round ,
    
    The Galway Girl won the Rose of Tralee....
    
    Qpr win at Coventry to go TOP of the Table.....Yippee....
    Great Stuff , lets enjoy it while it lasts.....
    
    The reason why Rangers are considering changing their second strip
    to Green and White hoops is to try and win back all the Irish
    support they once had...QPR is the Club nearest most of the Irish
    communities in North London . Arsenal has attracted a lot of
    Irish support when they had all their Irish players before GG got
    rid of most of them....
    It remains to be seen if anything will ever come of the proposed
    jersey change , time will tell , but most successful clubs of late
    always have a good mix of Irish , Scotish and some Welsh players..
    Even the Arse had David O'Leary....
    
    From these Dizzy heights
    
    jm

    What was the score ???

    1-0 to QPR
    
    K...

    
>    The reason why Rangers are considering changing their second strip
>    to Green and White hoops is to try and win back all the Irish
>    support they once had...QPR is the Club nearest most of the Irish
>    communities in North London . Arsenal has attracted a lot of
>    Irish support when they had all their Irish players before GG got
>    rid of most of them....
 
So what would you call this then? Ethnic Marketing? How ridiculous, why
not just call themselves Queens Park Celtic and be rid of the laughable
sales technique. They'll be advertising in The Irish Post, "Come to 
Loftus Road, the only pitch in the Premier blessed by the Holy Father."
8^)


>    Even the Arse had David O'Leary....
    

And still do I believe. 


Barry (O'Hagan)

At the end of the 1990-91 season QPR bought a young defender called Rufus Brevett
from Doncaster Rovers. At the beginning of last season, Match magazine suggested 
he would do wonders for the QPR defense. Despite looking every week, I never saw 
him do anything. Can anyone shed some light on his fate? (Cue Twilight Zone theme
music).
I think the transfer fee was around 250,000.
Back when he was at Donny, the tradition was that everyone would chant "Ruthless,
Ruthless", whenever he nailed some poor attacker. Not that he was a dirty player,
of course. It's a man's game in the nether regions of the (then) 4th division.:-)

He was one of my favourite players, so any news would be appreciated. If you lot 
don't want him, can we have him back? Please?

Mike

    
    re .52
    
    With a name like Barry O'Hagan you must be Irish....
    
    Most clubs nowadays have 3 strips to choose from , so Green and White
    Hoops happens to be QPR's third choice.....
    
    I think they are very nice , when I have mine on I can see people trying
    to figure out what the hell I'm wearing . I can tell i get very
    strange looks.....
    
    jm

    
    JBD,
    
    where are you?  Do you fancy going on Saturday?
    
    Loz.

Re. 55 - Loz - yes, let's get something sorted for Saturday's Clash of the 
Titans (Chelsea v QPR).

Recent games:


Man City 1 - 1 QPR
  -saw this on SKY (thanks to Loz). Reasonable performance; Sinton's goal great!

QPR 3 - 1 So'ton
  -couldn't believe we were 1-0 down at half-time. Just as well we slammed
   three past them in the second half - a triumph for football! Saw the
   "scuffle" in 91st minute again in slo-mo from TV highlights - Les Ferdinard
   lucky to stay on.

QPR 3 - 2 Sheff Utd
  -arrived 5 minutes late (roadworks on M3, plus Hammersmith stationary), and
   so missed the goals that made it 1-1! Thought we deserved the win, but a few
   players looked tired (notably Peacock). Barker played for Impey, then Barker
   switched to middle when Holloway went off injured; Thomson came on wide.
   Barker scored with a header to make it 2-1; Utd equalized before Rangers
   clinched it in last 10 minutes.

Coventry 0 - 1 QPR
  -thought about trekking to this one, but had a meeting in other direction
   (Horsham), and it was raining... So listened to it on the radio - not
   that it got much attention. Seems we deserved the win, and it's great to 
   be on top of the table (-only 38 games to go...)!

Re. green-n-white hoops kit - na, I've got a blue-n-white T-shirt, so I
    don't want them changing! How often are they likely to use a third strip
    of green-n-white? It's not that different to their first strip: - I can't
    think of another team's kit where both blue-n-white and red-n-black would
    clash.
    There were definitely some Irish in the crowd at the home games - one
    giving an amusing commentry!


Believe we drew Grimsby in the "league" cup (or whatever it's called this year).
Can't remember dates/venues off-hand.

  "Come on you RRRRRRRRR's!"

Drove up from SBP to Loftus Road on Wednesday evening for the QPR v. Arsenal
game. Once again, got stuck in traffic & got to the ground after game had
started. People were running all round the outside of ground. Turned out ground
was chocka, and only the Loftus Road terrace was still admitting people. So
joined the llllooonnngggg queue - & could here the crowd cheering from inside.

When I was about 40th in the queue (down from several hundredth), they said
"that's it -we're full - no more room". The Police radio'd around, but they
said there was no more room anywhere. So back to car, & listened to the game
on the radio as I drove back. Didn't sound a good match: - no goals; bad
weather (he says, trying to cheer himself up). Papers said attendance was
~20,800.

Anyone else manage to get in, & could give a match report? Or even got any
good jokes? (Watching the R's lose to Chelsea last Saturday - in a "game of
two halves" - then missing Wednesday's game, I need cheering up. Oh well,
we're home to Ipswich tomorrow - a team that tend to play good football).

 

Colm,

-we met a few weeks ago when trying to get in the QPR v Arsenal game.

-could you contact me, before Thursday (24th) lunchtime.

Thanks,
  John Wood @SBP, 782-2976

Enjoyed this game: revenge for the daylight robbery Rangers suffered in this
fixture last season.

Perhaps surprisingly Rangers were a goal down at half-time. Spurs had obviously
earmarked Sinton as the danger-man, and he had three spells off the pitch to 
receive treatment as Spurs tried to make up for their lack of skill with
plenty of aggression.

Glad to see that QPR were nearly back to full strength. Stejskal (sp?) in goal;
Bardsley, Wilson, McDonald & Peacock in defence; Sinton, Impey, Wilkins & 
Holloway in midfield; and Penrice & Bailey up front. Ferdinand was injured;
and Barker wasn't on the subs bench - but I don't know why.

The first half was typical fiery local derby stuff, which saw Spurs go ahead.
The second half saw Sinton turn on the skill, and with Wilkins composing
things from midfield, Rangers were rampant. Holloway got the first; Wilkins the
second - with a header!; then Penrice grabbed a pair.

Final result? 4-1 to R's.


Any news on possible transfers? Read in the Sundays that Liverpool may be after
Peacock. Some time ago Everton were rumoured to be interested in Bardsley.
Any there's always speculation about Sinton.


An aside from the programme: Les Ferdinand had a shot measured at 81 mph
(by Shoot magazine I think). Bardsley was injured at the time, else he'd had
given Les some competition.

    has any one a report on last nights game against grimsby ?.
    

    RE:	Caco Calo Cup
    
    You won on penalties.
    
    Nigel

    Grimsby 2 - 1 QPR    => 3-3 on aggregate
    
    QPR went thro' 6-5 on penalties a.e.t...!
    
    Sinton scored an own goal; before helping Bailey (I think) get one
    back.
    
    McDonald scored our last penalty, after Stejskal had saved one.
    
    

    
    Good win at the weekend over Leeds , up to 3rd now not bad....
    It seemed a very good game on MOTD on Saturday night , even though
    Leeds are leaking goals badly at the back....
    Bradley Allen looks a very good prospect , just like Clive . If he
    can score as many goals as his brother he will do fine..
    
    Keep it up guys,

    Did anyone else see the "tackle" on Andy Sinton which was shown on the
    box last night?  The guy didn't seem to be going for the ball at all,
    he just seemed to be trying to injure Sinton.  I think Sinton's lucky
    he's not out of the game for a long long time.  It was an absolute
    disgrace.
    
    Mike M

    re -.1
    
    That was a disgusting incident. The guy was lucky to get away with a
    booking. IMHO this is a case for Trial by television.
    
    Al

    Re last two..
    
    It was a disgrace,the fellow made no attempt to play the ball,I'm
    suprised Sinton hasnt got a broken leg.
    
    dave...

 HOW LONG WILL ANDY SINTON BE OUT FOR ?   	

	Sinton was on the box yesterday, a bit disappointed that 
	he wasn't fit enough to play against the Villa, but confident
	that he will be fine for next Saturday.

		p1

     Slipping a bit of late , but still doing well...
     
     Swindon in the Cup , could be tricky . A good Cup run would be
     nice , winning it would be better.....
    
     As long as Jimmy Greaves doesn't back us this year we should
     be o'k....
    
    jm

My first visit to Loftus Road for a month or two saw the R's turn on the style
in the first half, going 2 up in ~half an hour. Goals from Ferdinand and
Penrice (I think). Oldham's defence were static on both occasions.

Rangers nearly threw the game away after going in for half time 2-1 up:
Oldham scored soon after the restart and were getting back into the game.
Then Wilkins played a ball for Ferdinand to run on to; Les beat 2 defenders to
it, then neatly beat the keeper to walk it in. 3-2 to QPR.

The second half was characterised by lots of end-to-end high balls - it wasn't
Ranger's classy-est display. We lost Andy Sinton early on in the first half -
victim of a brutal challenge by Gunnar Halle when Sinton was defending (covering
for Wilson). Bradley Allen came on for him. Toward the end of the match Ferdinand
went off injured too, and Maddix came on. QPR then operated 5 at the back
(Bardsley sweeping, Maddix in right back), 3 in midfield, and Allen & Penrice
up front. Looked a shaky set-up - glad we only had to last 15 minutes like
this.

Felt sorry about Sinton getting injured - since I met him in Top Man in
Guildford a few days before the match. Got his autograph. He commented
that R's aren't getting the results, but are still playing well, and he
cited the Liverpool game as an example (I never got to that one).

Any transfer rumour news? Is Bardsley off to Leeds?

	JohnW

QPR started the game well, with two goal chances in the first two minutes.
Ferdinand managed to hit his shot at the only defender between him and the goal!
Eventually we got the goal we deserved, to go in 1-0 up at half time. Sinton
beat two Palace defenders to a header (!) to set up the goal.

Second half started badly, with Palace getting a goal straight away. McDonald
missed a header, but Peacock seemed to have it covered, but he stood watching
as a Palace forward (McGoldrick?) beat Wilson to head it in.

From then on Palace came back into the game. QPR started to fall apart: I don't
recall Sinton getting past any Palace players in the second half.

Palace eventually went two-up; QPR then pushed forward and got caught in the
last minute to lose 3-1.

Strange game this! After 20 minutes Ferdinand chased a back-pass to Southall
(Everton's goalie): Southall caught the ball but had just stepped outside
his area. Chants of "Off! Off!" from the QPR fans turned to applause for 
Southall as the Ref sent him off - it seemed rather harsh.

Rangers went 1-0 up later on, and should've made it more but for Everton's
reserve keeper doing well, and Ferdinand spooning one over from what looked less
than 6 yards. Then just before half-time Everton lost another player, sent off
for a reckless tackle on Peacock.

Second half started with Everton's 9 struggling against Ranger's 11. (Rangers
chose Roberts in goal, and Barker started in place of Impey who was on the bench).
Rangers quickly slotted in a couple (Sinton's being his second). Then the Everton
sub Barlow made Rangers look static when he scored twice with shots, so at
3-2 Everton had something to play for. Rangers were on there heels until
the last 5 minutes, when Sinton popped up to complete his hat-trick.

QPR 4 - 2 Everton.

    
    Into Round 4 of the Cup , good win over Swindon even though the
    scoreline didn't do justice to Swindon's performance.
    Man City or Reading at home in the next round , should have a good
    chance of progressing , but then again whio knows...
    
    jm

    That result on Monday highlights what Central Match viewers have known
    all season.  Swindon play very pretty football between penalty areas
    but in their own penalty area their defence is woeful - Hoddle will
    never be a centre back.
    
    Up front they only convert a small percentage of the number of chances
    they create.  For all their great football I honestly can't see Swindon
    being in real contention for promotion at the end of the season. 
    What's more they travel to 'The Manor' on Saturday and will be lucky to
    come away from there with anything.
    
    		Brian.                          

    QPR 3 - 0 Swindon
    
    I reckon the difference between the teams was Les Ferdinand with his
    air-spring moon-boots, enabling him to jump clear of defenders to head
    in the goals.

    John
    
    Have you acquired tickets for the Man U  game yet? I believe it is now
    on the Monday 18th so that sky can televise it. Just wondering whether
    it is worth a trip to the box office or is it postal applications only
    (again!)
    
    Martin

Martin,

-sorry for the delay in replying. I've not got tickets for the Man Utd game
because Monday evenings are out for me. Certainly it's all-ticket, and having
been locked out of the QPR-Arsenal game, I wouldn't want to turn up on the
off-chance of getting a ticket. Suggest you call QPR on the above number.

Good luck!

  JohnW

Ticket office 'phone numbers:

081-749-7798	24hr box office info
081-749-5744	box office admin (office hrs only)

Note: credit card bookings are NOT accepted over the 'phone; only by post
      with an s.a.e.

The 081-743-0262 number is for the football club rather than for tickets.


John (trying to get tickets for the FA Cup game against Man City) W

p.s. it's only all-ticket for Man City end

p.p.s. Man Utd game is sold out now

       Come on QPR??
       Come on QPR??
       Come on QPR??

    Let's all hope that QPR can do us all a favour and beat the Mancs 
tonight.

      Prediction QPR 2 Mancs 0


    
       Martin

Face it Martin, you just want to see Villa maintain their rightful position
at the top ;->

Bob

PS. Apologies to QPR fans for a totally content-free note.

    
    
    United to reverse the result of New Year's Day 91-91.
    
    	Utd 4 		QPR 1
        Cantona 	Ferdinand (phew! tg I know at least one QPR player)
    	Sharpe
    	Irwin
    	Giggs
    
    "...the crowd are on the pitch, they think it's all over...."
    
    -John_I_want_to_sniff_Eric_Cantona's_jersey
    
    

Definitely a repeate of last years new years day game

 QPR 4 Man Utd 1

 - Kevin_i_can_think_of_other_things_to_do_with_Cantonas_jersey

    
    	Result
    		QPR 	1	(Allen)
    		Man Utd	3       ( Ince, Giggs, Kanchelskis.)
    
    	Back on top again!!
    

     Ray Wilkins' 10 Favourite Words.
    
     1. Work
     2. Rate
     3. Workrate
     4. Compete
     5. Sorry, Peter
     6. Graft
     7. Hard Work
     8. Terrific
     9. Yeah
    10. Skill
     

    I must say I thought the QPR note was a "safe haven" from Cunno but
    being 6th in the table does have its drawbacks I suppose....
    
    Saw the game on TV in a pub not to far from Sheperds bush last night
    and it was a fairly comfortable win for Man U. I was impressed with
    their defence and tought Kanchelskis's goal was good. Ince was very
    luck but I suppose if you are going to win the league you need some
    luck. Giggs goal although well taken was a bad bit of defending by QPR.
    
    Considering QPR were without Penrice, Ferdinand and Wilkins I think it
    puts the result in perspective. I wonder how the Man U defence would
    have coped with Sinton, Ferdinand and Allen up front with the option of
    introducing Penrice at some stage - may have been a draw?
    
    Its ironic now that QPR are losing to the better teams. 3-4 years ago
    they could beat the Leeds, Liverpools and then loose to the likes of
    Norwich or Notts County. Still I thought they were quiet determined
    last night (some might say over determined) which can probably be put
    down to Francis's coaching methods.
    
    Draw or a win over Man C on Saturday to prevent a Manc double in the
    same week.
    
    Martin

	United looked the better team from the start. They had bags more
	confidence and their passing was a pleasure to watch. They
	deserved the three points, unlike Liverpool a few weeks ago.

	Rangers on the other hand, looked very fragile. It's surprising
	how much Wilkins holds them together in midfield.

	Impey is a waste of space, along with Barker. Peacock makes more
	mistakes than you can shake a stick at.

	Sinton seemed to have had a red-card wish last night.

	I hope Gary Penrice doesn't miss the rest of the season, as he
	was getting into form. Ramble Ramble Blah Blah...

		p1

    
    Les Ferdinand made a fairly impressive debut last night for
    England , he capped it all with a goal which wasn't bad...
    
    Tony Roberts also played part of the game for Wales against
    Ireland last night...as far as I know that was his first full cap..
    
    So well done you rrr'sss
    
    jm

    
    	Well, jm, after following your entries in this notes file this
    	morning I've finally found one which proves me wrong - I too 
    	thought Les Ferdinand played ok last night, thus proving you
    	*were* watching the same game as I was, so I apologise to you
    	for thinking such things.
    
    	I see little point in contradicting any of your previous notes,	
    	none of which were about Oyland incidently, as some of your
    	fellow contrymen have (in the past) proved to be very long on 
    	advice/opinions/comments on the country you most love to hate 
    	(=England), and remarkably short on being able to accept different 
    	opinions than your own. 
    
    	I may be  a little previous with this assumption, the manner of 
    	any response or otherwise will confirm or refute this...
    
        Andy.
                                                         

    Ferdinand only helped the ball into the net. It was our Tone's header
    which crossed the line and even that was more clear cut than England's
    disputed '66 goal. 
    
    barry.

    re .92
    
    Yes, dreadfully sorry. Blame it on John Motson who put in a naffer
    than naff performance last night and alluded to 1966 about 1966 times
    after two of England's goals. Come back Barry Davis. 
    
    barry.

Although I've not been in the notes file for a while, I've seen several recent
R's games:
	QPR 1 - 1 Chelsea
	Ipswich 1 - 1 QPR
	QPR 3 - 1 Norwich (or was it 3-0?)
	QPR 1 - 2 Wimbledon

Ferdinand really excelled against Norwich, scoring two and making the third.
I had a theory that since Wilkins has been out, Ferdinand's not been getting
the service, hence his shortage of goals. The Norwich game proved me wrong.

Rangers are suffering in mid-field. For example, here's the team that played
against Wimbledon:

			Roberts (Stejskal)

Bardsley	McDonald	Peacock		Brevett

Impey		Wilson		Doyle		Meaker

		Ferdinand (Allen)	White


Maurice Doyle & Michael Meaker I'd never heard a few games ago! Doyle was
hopeless against Ipswich, but has improved recently. He battles well and
has even won headers - not bad considering he's smaller than Wilkins. Meaker has
made a few runs down the wing, but is nothing like as effective as Sinton was
at the start of the season.

Peacock has made several blunders this year, and Maddix has been preferred to him
in recent games. Brevett's done well filling Wilson's shoes, and Wilson has
looked comfortable in midfield. Impey's not doing much, and up front the R's
really rely heavily on Ferdinand (-who limped off after 20 minutes to be replaced
by Allen against Wimbledon). Devon White was called "spiderman" by one wag in the
crowd: he runs around rather ungainly. He's tall, but doesn't compete enough
for the ball.

Roberts is now first-choice keeper; but he was sub'd against Wimbledon after
15 mins with concussion. Gerry Francis is struggling with the midfiled having
lost Wilkins, Holloway,Sinton and Barker.

Despite some mediocre results recently, Rangers are still up in the top 6 or so.
However, there' only about 6-7 points separating ~dozen teams in mid-league.
If QPR can get back some first-choice mid-fielders, we stand a chance of
qualifying for Europe. Here's hoping...

As a Doncaster Rovers loyalist (last of a dying breed), I am interested to hear
how the Ruthless One is doing at QPR? Has he earned his place, or will he be 
back in the reserves when the team is back to full strength?

Also, have you still got Andy Tillson on your books? QPR bought him from Grimsby
Town for 250K at the same time as they bought Rufus from Donny (late 1990-ish?)

Cheers,

Mike

    
    As far as I know Andy Tillson is now playing for Bristol Rovers....
    
    Where did Devon White come from (was it Bristol Rovers again)...
    
    From what I've seen on TV Devon White doesn't seem to be a world
    beater...
    
    jm

	Re last few...

	I'm sure Devon White came from Cambridge United, he's no world
	beater, but I'd rate him higher than Impey.

	As for Andy Tillson, JM is correct, he's now at Bristol Rovers.

	I hope Brevitt keeps his place, if only to stop Barker getting 
	back into the team !

	Peacock seems to have a hand in a lot of the R's defensive mistakes,
	however, he does take on a lot of responsibility, so I think he can
	be forgiven in part. I can't ever remember seeing Maddix play. I'd
	agree with John about Wilson, he's looking competent in midfield,
	(or is it just because the others are so bad?!)

	I'm glad Roberts has the first team place. I get extremely worried
	when Stejskal is in goal (I bet the defence do too!)

	Do any of you know if Penrice and Holloway are out for the rest 
	of the season???

		p1
	

    
    Were slipping down the table quite a bit as of late , Spurs have
    overtaken us as top London team.....
    
    Injuries are beginning to take their toll , squad must be getting
    fairly depleted at this stage...
    
    Any more signings before the transfer deadline????...
    
    jm

> re: Note 58.99 by UKARC1::WOOD_J "John Wood @UCG, Alpha/VMS porting"

>Gary Penrice out for rest of season, following a re-fracture of his leg in
>training.

	Shame! He played some useful games early in the season, and was
	very impressive.

>Norwich rumoured to be interested in signing Simon Barker.

	Yes Please, when ?

>When's Wilkins due back? And what's the word on Holloway?

	Dunno about Holloway, but Wilkins was supposed to be out all 
	season. Although his stint in the oyx-tank may have done him more
	good than expected.

>Come on R's, let's win a few & get back to being the top team in London.

	I didn't see the Blackburn game or highlights, but to lose 3-0 at
	home, we must have been playing crap. I hope we don't let all the
	good work go down the drain over the last few games, because we
	could end up nearer the bottom than the top. However, I've got to
	be positive, and say we're bound to be top London team.

		p1

    It's just occurred to me that Holloway is ex-Brentford too. We gave
    him a free transfer (!) to Bristol Rovers before he moved to Rangers
    with Francis.
    
    Another one gets away ! In mitigation he was recovering from something
    nasty (glandular fever I think) while he was at Brentford and never
    did himself justice. Still Francis must have seen something nobody
    else did.
    

Sat 10-Apr-93: 	QPR 4-3 Notts Forest

Enjoyable game this - even the sun was shining warmly! The lead changed three
times: first 1-0 to Forest, then 2-1 to Rangers; then 3-2 to Forest, and
finally 4-3 to Rangers.

Rangers were almost at full strength (-I'd swap Allen for Penrice, but he's
out for the rest of the season having broken his leg again); the team being:

			Roberts

Bardsley	MacDonald	Peacock		Wilson

Impey		Wilkins		Holloway	Sinton

		Ferdinand	Allen


Star of the day was Les Ferdinand, who scored a hat-trick. For the first he
just beat a defender to flick the ball over the keeper. His second (Ranger's
3rd) was a run past the goal-keeper. I thought he'd gone too wide, but he
managed to slot it past two defenders who had got back on the goal-line.
Les's third was a header from ~8 yards out, meeting Sinton's short cross.

Clive Wilson got Ranger's second - a penalty (-forget who got fouled).

As you may expect from the score-line, neither team dominated the game. I was
glad to see Wilkins & Holloway back - but Wilkins looked a bit tired, and rarely
made a challenge, though his distribution was good. Holloway battled well, but
Rangers struggled to cope with the ubiquitous Roy Keane of Forest. Up front,
Allen had a very poor game; Clough "had him in his pocket". Allen ran away
from the ball (-and challenges) too often. But he did set up Ferdinand's second,
and it may have been him who won the penalty (-or was it Sinton?).


Mon 12-Apr-93:	 Everton 3-5 QPR

I "watched" this game on Teletext. R's were 2-1 up at half-time, and went 5-1
up with ~1/4 hr to go. Everton got two back to make the final score 3-5 in
Rangers favour. Rangers scorers were Ferdinand (three), Bardsley and ???
(Sinton?).

    
    re .103
    
    My report in the Everton note was a bit wrong - Bardsley scored QPR's
    fifth not Sinton - Impey got the first.
    
    I was very impressed with QPR - especially Ferdinand, they could do
    well next season.
    
    Paul

>    I was very impressed with QPR - especially Ferdinand, they could do
>    well next season.

We might have maintained the good start we had to this season if it hadn't been
for so many injuries... Here's hoping we realise our potential next season 
(-and keep Les at the 'Bush).

    sinton isn't a centre-half is he?
    
    is this a change in GG's master strategy along the lines of Maggie
    dropping poll tax - we should be told.
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks

    
    Gerry Francis is being tipped to take over at Liverpool if Souness
    gets the sack , Gerry will be a huge loss to QPR but all would not
    be lost if he left  , we've a ready made replacement in Ray Wilkins.
    
    Time will tell 
    
    jm

    
    Yes we finished as London's top team , which isn't bad.......
    Not a bad season at all , lets hope we can keep all our players .
    I read in one of yesterday's papers that Dave Mitchell of Swindon
    might be joining QPR....
    
    Here's to a good summer..........
    
    Come on you RRRRRRRRRRRR'ssssssssssssssss
    
    jm

    
    Can't for the life of me see why you'd want Dave Mitchell. He's no
    Ferdinand and that's fer sure.
    
    Tim

    Re. Dave Mitchell
    
    He certainly doesn't appear to be one of the game's great thinkers,
    either. Saw him at Brentford earlier this year. He started the game in
    V.Jones style by fouling the Brentford player who got the ball from the
    kick-off. Within a few minutes more he'd clattered the Brentford goalie
    well after he'd caught the ball, and got a stiff talking-to from the
    ref. Another Swindon player then got sent off, a bit harshly, for use
    of the elbow. Mitchell then immediately fouled the same Brentford
    player and got booked. And then did it again and got sent off !
    
    While he was arguing the toss with the ref, Hoddle came storming over,
    grabbed him by the shoulder and threw him off the pitch. (Mitchell that
    is, not the ref!) I wonder why he wants to sell him ?
    
    (And if Brentford had then managed to score against 9 men, we'd still
    be in Div 1....)
    
    Jim
    

    have we lost all our best players yet?
    
    who are we getting to replace them?
    
    thanks in advance, Les Ferdinand

    Can someone post the 93-94 fixture list in this conference
    
    Thanks
    
    Paul

		Fixtures for Season 1993/4		
    

    AUGUST 14  Aston Villa		A
      "    18  LIVERPOOL		H
      "    21  SOUTHAMPTON		H
      "    25  Chelsea			A
      "    28  West Ham			A
    
    SEPT    1  SHEFFIELD UNITED		H
      "    11  Manchester City		A
      "    18  NORWICH			H
      "    27  Wimbledon		A
    
    OCT     2  IPSWICH			H
      "    16  Newcastle		A
      "    23  COVENTRY			H
      "    30  Manchester United	A
    
    NOV     6  BLACKBURN		H
      "    20  Everton			A
      "    23  Swindon			A
      "    27  SPURS			H
    
    DEC     4  ASTON VILLA		H
      "     8  Liverpool		A
      "    11  Southampton		A
      "    20  CHELSEA			H
      "    27  OLDHAM			H
      "    28  Leeds			A
    
    JAN     1  SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY	H
      "     3  Arsenal			A
      "    15  NEWCASTLE 		H
      "    22  Coventry City		A
    
    FEB    12  MANCHESTER UNITED	H
      "    19  WEST HAM			H
      "    26  Sheffield United		A
    
    MAR     5  MANCHESTER CITY		H
      "    12  Norwich			A
      "    19  WIMBLEDON		H
      "    26  Ipswich			A
      "    30  ARSENAL			H
    
    APRIL   2  Oldham			A
      "     4  LEEDS UNITED		H
      "     9  Sheffield Wednesday	A
      "    16  EVERTON			H
      "    23  Blackburn		A
      "    30  SWINDON			H
    
    MAY    7   Spurs			A
    
                        
    

	Best of luck to the RRRRRRRRs for the 1993/4 season. How many
	QPR noters do we still have left in the company ???

		p1

    
    I'm still here for a little while yet....
    
    I'm due to leave in the December - February time frame....
    
    I sure will miss using the notesfiles...
    
    As to what the Season holds in store for QPR , top 6 position
    would be the priority , then again we may finish top London team
    again....First 2 matches are away to Villa and home to Liverpool , 
    how we fare in those matches will probably be a good indication
    of how we will do......
    
    Also no players have left Loftus Road yet , which has to be  a good
    sign....
    
    Come on you RRRRRRRRRRsssssssssss
    
    jm

I'm still with Digital, though I expect my allegiance to QPR will last much
longer than that with Digital.

Re. .115 - is there a second QPR fan in the Crescent?

Re. .118 - sorry we're gonna lose you, JM. And thanks for posting the fixtures in
           .116.

I've not heard any QPR tranfer news this summer either. Did read that Sheffield
Wednesday were interested in Sinton, but Arsenal's interested has not come to
anything more...

Wilkins got a knighthood in the summer. So at least one QPR player got a medal! ;-)

Our fourth game of the season is against our local rivals, Chelsea, at the Bridge.
I'd hope for a good result against them.

rep -1

Well well if it ain't John Boy Dalek, how's life ya old scum?????

How are the Albion doing? Haven't heard much lately altough I'm a life
time member, shame shame.

I don't think I can join ya when you play Chlesea at the Bridge and loose
ofcourse :-)))) but I'll be over later this year and maybe we could have
a pint or two three four five buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrppppppppp
more.


T_

Hello Ton,

-how's married life going? Is that why you can't make Chelsea v. QPR? ;-) Or is it 
because it's a mid-week game?

Basing Albion have an 11-a-side game tomorrow, and it should see the return of Andy
"limp-a-long" Mitchell, who as you probably know is contracting for Digital.

Moral at Digital in Basingstoke is very low; the lowest I've known it. Thus there's
not much enthusiasm/interest in organising European tours (-we're even struggling to
get 11 for tomorrow, but Loz is getting some spare players, from his mate Hoddle).
A lack of spare cash doesn't help. Are things any better in Utrecht?

Anyway, back to important matters like QPR. If I remember correctly, the QPR v.
Chelsea game of December 20th has been chosen for live broadcast by Sky satellite.
Do you get Sky in Holland? If not, I'll video the highlights for you (a Les Ferdinand
hat-trick would make a nice Christmas present!).

Let us know when you're coming over, and we'll see if we can share some beers &
stories..

    Re. 119
    
    Sorry, not a QPR fan - just promised a swap of the QPR fixture list for
    two tickets to QPR v Man U. next year by a (one of the few) QPR fan. I
    am proud to say that my allegience is with Man United and look forward
    to this season to make it two in a row.
    
    Paul

    
    	re .121
    
    >Moral at Digital in Basingstoke is very low...
    
    	Love it 8-) You must know all the right people, John ;-)
    
    	You're probably right, actually, John, but I expect you meant
    	morale...I dunno, maybe not...
    
    	Andy.

..I did mean morale! Well spotted.

>>Anyway, back to important matters like QPR. If I remember correctly, the QPR v.
>>Chelsea game of December 20th has been chosen for live broadcast by Sky satellite.
>>Do you get Sky in Holland? If not, I'll video the highlights for you (a Les Ferdinand
>>hat-trick would make a nice Christmas present!).
>>
>>Let us know when you're coming over, and we'll see if we can share some beers &
>>stories..


John,

As ya probably know is December the month that I'm allways over but 20th is
quit late so I'm not sure. Who know's, see ya......................




T_

Pre-season QPR friendlies:

Sat 31st Jul:	Bournemouth (away)

Wed  4th Aug:	Watford (away I think) 8pm k.o.

Sat  7th Aug:	Oxford (away)


Other news:

-the School End (away fans end) will be all-seater this season,
reducing capacity by over 1,000 to ~21,000.

Bardsley's signed a new contract until 1996.

Barker & Maddix have been offered new contracts; Wilkins & Doyle have
signed theirs.


I'll be sorry to see Peacock go: he's had one or two shaky games, but
he's also kept some good attackers quiet, and has potential to improve.

    it might have been mentioned earlier but Computer Solutions and Finance
    will be sponsoring QPR this season.
    
    They are a Digital reseller.
    
    
    Following on from that, if Digital were to sponsor a footy team, who
    would you recommend !!?!? ;-)
    
    mac

    Barnet    ;-)
    
    
    
    

    Re -2
    
    The CSF sponsorship deal was announced to the press from here at
    Enterprise House earlier this week - apparently Ferdinand Sinton and
    some of the other boys were here for the event, though I missed them
    
    Rob

    
    Re .129, Love it!
    
    

    
    Trevor Sinclair signed from Blackpool yesterday for 600,000 .
    
    This probably means Andy Sinton will probably be allowed to 
    leave with the Arse favourites to buy him.....
    Sinton will be a loss but Sinclair should be an adequate replacement .
    I remember Man City tried to buy Sinclair a few times last season
    and Blackburn were also interested but he choose Rangers as he
    wanted to return to London where he was born........
    
    Come on you RRRR'sssss
    
    jm
    

	Heard this morning the Kenny (of Blackburn) has put in a bid of 
	6 million for Sinton and Ferdinand (sp?)...

    
    Doesn't suprise me as Daglish has been very quiet all summer in
    the transfer market even though he lost out on Keane , Ruddock etc ..
    Trouble is every player has his price and if Kenny lays 6 million
    on the table for Ferdinand and Sinton it will have to be seriously
    considered......
    Trouble is will Gerry Francis stay if Sinton and Ferdinand go....
    I reckon he should stay , with 6 million to spend he should be able
    to snap up 3 or 4 good players no trouble....
    
    I still don't think Ferdinand will go...
    
    Good cup run would be nice...I'm still looking forward to a trip to
    Wembley...maybe this season...one never knows...
    
    jm

    I had hoped for another top 5 place, but that was with Sinton and
    Ferdinand. If Sinton goes....well we can always dream
                					....Ray
    
    p.s.	Does anyone know of a sports shop in the Dublin area that
    has the new QPR shirt? I've been looking for a while now with no luck
    
    ....thx 		

	Heard this morning, that sinton appears to be on his way, but to who??
	It said that Arsenal, Blackburn and Wednesday were the teams still
	interested. The tag was 3 million.

	If I was qpr I'd take the money and let him go, all this talk mustn't
	be good for the team.

	And if I was sinton, I'd go for the Gunners 8^) as he won't
	win anything with the others!!! He might add a bit of life to our
	midfield.
	


	Mick being totally unbiased

    
    
    
    
    
    	I was speaking to a friend last night who is good friends of Simon
    	Barker. Simon has told him that Sinton is 99% definate on leaving
    	the club, but has not yet decided where he is going. He also said 
    	that many of the players in the QPR squad are very unhappy that
    	they are letting him go. Possibly a few more players will leave
     	soon after. To be fair to Sinton, would'nt you leave if you could 
    	gain an extra 3-4 grand a week at another club. It appears that
    	Sinton was a well liked player through the whole club and will be 
    	deeply missed.
    
    	Cheers
    	Nige
    	    	

    
    I know the transfer market is inflated money wise at the moment, but
    surely Andy Sinton is not worth 3 million. 
    
    Crazy cash....
    
    Del.

    
    NOt a great start 1-4 to Villa , but I must all the Goals were
    crackers....
    
    jm

Disappointing start for the R's, who were without MacDonald (inj), Bardsley (?)
and Sinton (due to transfer speculation). Also no Penrice; Allen was up front
with Ferdinand.

Ferdinand (who else?) scored QPR's goal. Two of Villa's goals came in last
two minutes - but by all reports, Villa deserved the 4-1 scoreline. I agree
that the goals looked good.

Couldn't work out from the MOTD highlights what colour QPR were playing in.
They were in an away strip, which seemed darker than their normal red 'n' black
hoops. Perhaps they borrowed Man Utd's new black strip? ;-)

I hope they "sort out" Sinton soon. I reckon Ferdinand might want to leave
if Sinton goes, since Sinton gave him several crosses last year.

QPR didn't deserve to go down 4-1. The match itself was a scrappy afair, with, 
as been said, a great set of goal. The R's, without Sinton, Penrice, MacDonald 
and Bardsley (Achilles injury), looked shaky at the back, but still found time 
to dominate large parts of the game.

On balance though Villa did just deserve the three points (2-1 a fairer result). 
However, unless Villa get there game together (as they looked ordinary for 70 
minutes, reliant on the pace on Saunders, Atkinson and Daley to run on to "up 
and unders from the back four), they will be no more than upper-mid table. As 
for Rangers, I'm glad we are doing something to strengthen our squad, 5th may be 
achievable again - Even if/when we let Sinton go.

Here's hoping.

Peter

    Has Sinton joined the Owls????    what's the fee??

    Hoops 2			L'pool 1
    Ferdinand			Ruddock
    Wilkins

Didn't think I was going to get in to last night's match. Started queueing
~7pm for the East Paddock, and when ~4 people away from turnstile they closed
the gates (time ~7.25; k.o scheduled for 7.45). Rushed to West Paddock, and got
in ~7.40. The decision had already been announced that the k.o. would be delayed
until 8pm.

Bit surprised that last night's attendance was only 19,000, given the capacity
is ~21,000.

Onto the game. Liverpool scored first, against the run of play. (Ferdinand
should've scored early on after a Wilkins free kick found his head in space).
Somehow the ball got to Ian Rush in space about 18 yards out, and he fired
it home.

R's equalised soon after; Wilkins cracking a 30-yarder past Grobbelar.

L'pool then scored two quick goals, both which I felt were due to poor
defending. Nicol got one; Clough the other: Clough's being a (lucky?) flick
with his heel just inside the post. So by half-time it was 1-3. Rangers had
had more of the game, and if we'd had our regular defence instead of Yates
& Ready alongside Peacock & Wilson we'd at least have been level.

In the second half Liverpool were more in the game; and happy to play possession
football. Rangers were running out of ideas: Ferdinand was losing to Ruddock
in the air, and Penrice didn't look as lively as he had in the first half.
Liverpool's midfield seemed quicker to the ball than Barker & Wilkins; L'pool
seeming to chase & advance in packs.

Towards the end Gerry took off Sinclair (who did OK for his debut) and sent on
Devon White to hassle L'pool's Wright & Ruddock. Ferdinand tried coming from
deeper positions, but he was well contained by the red defence.

SO QPR now have statistics of played & lost 2; GF 2 - 7 GA. We can only improve!

I think Liverpool might do well this season. Their defence looked good, and their
midfield is quite energetic. No sign of John Barnes last night: reckon they're
best off without him!

    
    The Andy Sinton transfer is finally over and all I can say at this
    stage is good riddence (sp??)... Sinton has treated Rangers very badly
    with this on off saga , it certainly hasn't been good for club
    morale...
    
    Then again Rangers could have upped his wages.....
    
    Personally I think Sinton should have gone to Liverpool , he would have
    a better chance of winning something ..
    
    At least he didn't join the Arse which would have been very hard to
    swallow...
    
    Southampton at home on Saturday , a win is badly needed ....
    
    
    Come on you RRRR'ssss
    
    jm

    man u lost their first two last year....
    
    hear hear -1 about Sinton btw
    
    qpr  4  sout'ton 1

No problems getting in to see this match; only ~10,000 turned up; the other
10,000 must've known it would be a scrappy game...

Rangers were unchanged from the side that started against Liverpool. That is:

				Roberts
	Wilson		Peacock 	Yates		Ready
	Sinclair	Wilkins		Barker		Impey
			Ferdinand	Penrice

Subs: Stejskal, Brevett, White

Rangers went ahead early on when a long ball from Ready was headed on by
Ferdinand for Penrice to volley home. Rangers had more of the ball and
territory in the first half. Saints looked unorganised, and only Dowie
looked interested (Le Tissier, never in the game, was sub'd at some time,
but no-one noticed!). Rangers should've capitalised, but were let down by poor
passing (Sir Ray being a culprit). Barker looked lively in midfielf for the R's.

Second half saw QPR awarded a penalty after Impey was sandwiched by the two
Southampton centre-backs inside the box, in the 46th minute. "Willow" slotted it
home past Flowers, who went the wrong way.

After that the game was largely forgettable. Ferdinand hardly won a ball in the
air in the second half; he looked kn*ckered & dis-interested. It was surprising
when Gerry sub'd Brevett for Sinclair; Brevett slotting in to left back,
allowing wilson to play mid-field. Wilson got involved in a good attack,
but left the finishing to Ferdinand? who's shot was blocked. In the last five
minutes White came on for Penrice: why Gerry didn't take Ferdinand off I don't
know, since he was doing little more than spectating by now, whereas Penrice
was busy the whole game.

In the last few minutes the Saints scored a consolation goal; a long ball
from the corner being well controlled by Dowie, who foot-juggled it before
volleying it past Roberts.

So not a memorable game, but our first three points of the season. Now if we
can get another three on Wednesday from Stamford Bridge...

    Chelsea 2 - 0 QPR	Attn. ~20,000
    
    According to the Teletext report, our new defender Yates was
    to blame for one of the Chelsea goals. Yates has been Ok with
    his heading; but less so with his feet.
    
    
    In the Coca-Cola? cup, I think we drew Barnet. As their name was
    mentioned first, I guess we'll be away first game.

    West Ham United 0 - 4 QPR
    
    QPR 2 - 1 Sheffield Utd
    
    Good to see MacDonald & Bardsley back in the Ranger's defence. Barker
    was in midfield with Wilkins (-dunno what was up with Holloway); Penrice
    being up front with Ferdinand.
    
    MacDonald's return livened up a mediocre game. 'Big Mac' always seems
    to get involved in flare-up situations, which seem to inspire him.
    It was MacDonald who was fouled in Sheffield's penalty area in the
    second half which resulted in Wilson scoring from the penalty spot.
    
    Bardsley added some character to the game, and in the first half he
    whipped in some good balls. Shame he's had to withdraw from the England
    squad with achilles problems.
    
    Sinclair scored his first R's goal, shooting it home from inside the
    box, after ~10 minutes. Sheffield equalized in the 15th minute with a
    fine goal: a long cross being headed firmly past Roberts.
    
    Much of the game was forgettable: Ranger's passing being sloppy (Wilkins
    being a main culprit); Sheffield resorting to the long-ball "hoof" up field
    (in true Dave Basset style ;-) ). Sinclair had a couple of clever
    moves, but he's still short of matching Andy Sinton's contributions.
    Ferdinand had a few chances, but was suffering from a collision with the 
    advertising boardings when trying to keep a ball in play in the first
    half. Still, 3 points moves us into mid-table.
    

  Manchester City 3 - 0 QPR

  QPR 2 - 2 Norwich City

  Saw the Norwich game. First half saw some slack defending by the R's, and
  it was only Stejskal (replacing Roberts) who kept us in the game.

  Sinclair scored our first goal after a nice one-two with Penrice. He's
  starting to contribute more with every game.

  Ferdinand got a late equalizer: running on to a pass by Wilkins, he stretched
  his leg past the defender to knock the ball past Norwich's 'keeper Gunn.

  On the whole it was a fustrating Rangers display. Poor defending was one
  problem; another was getting overrun in midfield. The knock-on effect was
  that Les Ferdinand got fustrated up front. It was only in the last ten minutes
  that Rangers started playing.
  

    
    Saw in today's Star that Les Ferdinand says he wouldn't have signed
    a new 3 year deal if he knew Andy Sinton was leaving....
    Fair enough comment from Les  , he says he will stay for the rest of
    this season but it looks like he will be off then ...
    
    As I said before I thought Sinton treated QPR badly , he probably
    let his agent swell his head with the thought of all the money he
    would make joining another club...
    
    Then again this Sinclair looks a really good buy , he will
    probably be just as good as Sinton when he fully settles in.....
    
    Still waiting for that trip to Wembley , maybe this season.....
    
    14 weeks to go and counting before D-Day (Departure day)
    
    Come on you RRRR'ssss
    
    jm

    
    I see we're on Sky Sports tonight playing Wimbledon , what a pain..
    I don't see what Sky are playing at , last Monday Night (20th) they
    had Wimbledon and Man City live from Selhurst Park , and tonight its 
    Wimbedon and QPR Live from Selhurst Park........something very wrong
    here.....
    The Season started very brightly but its now beginning to sort itself
    out....Man Utd are setting the pace with the Arse the only team who
    have a chance of catching them , its got so boring already.....
    Then again the cups and Europe might bring us some joy.....
    
    13 weeks to go...........
    
    
    jm

    I confidently predict a 4-0 thrashing of the Dons tonight....
    Ray

    Wimbledon 1 - 1 QPR
    
    QPR 3 - 0 Ipswich Town
    
    QPR 4 - 0 Barnet (agg 6-1)
    
    
    Saw the Wimbledon game on Sky. Alan MacDonald put us ahead, poking the
    ball home from the 6-yard box. Les Ferdinand then equalized for
    Wimbledon!!! Les was helping defend a Wimbledon corner just before half
    time, and he just got his head to the ball, but knocked it back past
    the keeper. Bad news for Rangers was the loss of our attack; both
    Ferdinand & Penrice got substituted with injuries.
    
    The Sky commentry team revealed various trivia, like Dennis Wise went
    to school with Les Ferdinand, and that les used to be the goalkeeper!
    
    
    Saw the Ipswich game live. Ferdinand & Penrice still injured, so
    Bradley Allen & Devon White played "Little & Large" up front. Rangers
    looked the better team, but it was the second half before we scored.
    Devon White scored two, both with his head as I remember. I've never
    seen White look so useful - but then, Ipswich weren't up to much. Ray
    Wilkins was pulling the strings in midfield, alongside Barker who got
    the third.
    
    
    Allen scored a hat-trick against Barnet as the R's won 4-0. Rangers
    drew Millwall in the next round.
     
    
    Does anyone know what's up with Ian Holloway? Sky mentioned that Barker
    is on a week-by-week contract. On last season's performances, I'd
    choose Holloway over Barker, but I've not seen him play this season.
    

    re -1
    
    agree with last note
    
    Sinclair looks like being the bargain of the season....could be a very
    useful player

	No info on Holloway I'm afraid. I agree that Barker was a dog last
	season, but he seems to have improved from what I've seen of him
	this session.

	Sinclair looked really good against Wimbledon, after swapping
	onto the right side. He looked a bit out of place on the left.
	What position did he play against Ipswich  ??

	...and Andy Impey doesn't seem to have improved since last season.

	Oh well, Newcastle away on Saturday. Howay the R's....

		p1	
		

    interesting match this Saturday
    two of the leading candidates for next Engerland manager....
    low scoring draw....

    Rangers win thier last 5 games, 1 defeat in last 11 games....
    Hey I think we might w....#$%#$@!
    
    No....better not sat it....
    Ray

    where are all the R's fans?....
    
    too quiet in here recently....
    
    Back to 130.* for some aggro....
    
    Ray....

    Don Givens is still around??crikey
    
    He's the very reason I started following QPR when I was about 7 or 8
    years old, mid 70's with that that great team that included Parkes,
    Clement, Francis, Bowles, Dave Thomas....ah memories....
    I remember Gerry Francis' Goal of the Season in '76 against
    Liverpool,(2-0 to the R's, btw), like it was yesterday....
    
    good luck to Givens in la Suisse....
    
    Ray....

    
    I've just over 6 weeks left to go before I head off into the unknown.
    To be quite honest writting in notesfiles is very low on my agenda
    at the moment...
    At for the r's there is speculation that Gerry Francis will probably
    leave at the end of the season...he will go before that if Ferdinand
    is allowed to leave....If he goes Ray "Butch" Wilkins should take
    over... As for myself I'm still pissed off the way Andy Sinton treated
    the club...
    
    Still waiting for my Wembley trip....
    
    Come on you RRRRRR'sssss
    
    jm

I made the trip up to Old Trafford to see the R's play Man Utd in what was
a "game of two halves". First half saw the corner of QPR fans out-singing
the Red's fans as we were good value for a 1-0 lead.

Second half saw Man Utd step up a gear or two. They overran us in midfield,
and when they scored their first, the Old Trafford crowd exploded. Utd soon
got a second, and to be fair to them, they hit the woodwork several times too.
Wilkins was substituted for Holloway (Wilkins got a big sent-off by Man Utd
fans), which helped us in the midfield battle, but you felt the loss of SuperRay
meant that Ferdinand was unlikely to get the service to put away an equalizer.
Rangers did come back into the game in the last 15 minutes, but Paul Parker
did enough all game to limit Ferdinand to just a few chances. Indeed, this was
one of the disappointments for me: Ferdinand, with his prodigious ariel ability,
getting tamed by perhaps the shortest player on the pitch.

Final score was 2-1 to Man Utd.

Saw QPR beat Blackburn Rovers 1-0 last Saturday. Both goalkeepers had good games.
Any possible comparison between Ferdinand & Shearer was thwarted by Shearer
hobbling off in the first half after pulling a back muscle. The goal was credited
to Ferdinand, but it wasn't a clean header.

Wilkins was substituted for Holloway again in the second half; Ray still
suffering from an injury. He handed the captain's armband to Barker, which
surprised me: I was expecting McDonald to get it. Barker is playing well at
the moment.

Bradley Allen partners Ferdinand in attack: I've not seen Penrice for a month
or so (-he's not been on the bench either, so I guess he's injured [again]).

The wingers, Impey & Sinclair, could do better. Sinclair is improving, and
against Man Utd he made a few good tackles (robbing Hughes when Hughes was ~20
yards from goal). Sinclair isn't yet taking on & beating players like Sinton
did on his day, but he is already contributing more than Impey. 

The defence is fairly solid, with McDonald & Peacock in the centre, and Wilson &
Bardsley at the sides. I really like Bardsley, and wish that Graeme Taylor
would pick him for the England team. Bardsley did struggle once or twice against
Giggs, but then who doesn't? Peacock kept Coventry's Ndluv (sp?) quiet in the
5-1 victory, though Ndluv did score the consolation goal after a Stejskal
mis-kick. 

Swindon Town 1 - 0 QPR

Went to Swindon last night with high hopes of a goal feast. Alas, Rangers were
in charitable mode, & the Swindon Robins must've thought Christmas had come
early!

I wondered if Gerry Francis was doing an Alex Ferguson & resting players against
supposedly weaker opposition; Holloway started in place of Wilkins, and Yates
played instead of McDonald. If this was Gerry's ploy, then he made a big mistake.

After quarter of an hour Swindon were down to 10 men, the ref sending off one
of their players for dissent after booking him for a bad challenge. Good,
methinks, only a matter of time before QPR rattle in a few. WRONG: Swindon take
the lead, as QPR fail to make the extra man show. I lose count of the number of
wayward QPR passes: Bardsley in particular was having a stinker when it came
to delivering the ball. Other particularly rubbish performances came from Impey
& Holloway.

You couldn't help thinking that with a Wilkins in midfield, that QPR would've
taken advantage of Swindon's 10 men. Alas, it was not to be: Ferdinand & Allen
got little service up front. Too often Rangers by-passed midfield & did the
long ball up front to Ferdinand, who was well policed all game. Allen looked
very lightweight, & showed no signs of repeating last Saturday's hatrick
against Everton.

So this was by far the worst QPR performance I've seen this year, and possibly
the worst I've ever seen. The only good point was that in the last 5 minutes,
Rangers really tried for an equalizer, but it was too little, too late. 

At the final whistle, some Swindon fans invaded the pitch. Many QPR fans had
long since left; some as early as 15 minutes before the end.

This performance doesn't bode well for the game against Spurs on Saturday. 
As one QPR fan muttered in disgust "you're Jeckyll & Hyde, Rangers, I swear it".
We need Wilkins & McDonald back to turn us back into Dr Jeckyll.

    Where have QPR been hiding this lad Meaker? Saw him in the game against
    Sheff Wed on the box last night and he appeared unstoppable. Anyone 
    else see the game?
    
    Andy

    
    Any comments on the Ferdinand dismissal??
    
    Tony
    
    

    Crap Ref
    
    
    /GAry....

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    merry drinksmas to all R's fans around the world....and to everyone
    else in the conference, (even the ManU fans)....
    
    Ray Howard....

    sick as a parrot, Brian....
    ugh!

    Ray,
    
    	I guess QPR will be hoping to get back to form against Newcastle.
    Should be a good game and hopefully you will see it on Sky. I'll be in
    my local in Dublin shouting on the Toon, hope you'll be doing likewise
    for the hoops in Bonnie Scotland (we'll probably be the only Newcastle
    and QPR supporters for hundreds of miles).
    
    May the best (football) team win.
    
    Good Luck......Ned
                                              

I have been reliably informed that the American TV networks just have commercial
breaks in the middle of the action, so no need for shorter periods. Most
Americans don't mind because they don't know what's going on anyway. 

This is absolutely true. I hope it doesn't affect coverage in the rest of the
world, where I suspect people would rather watch Baggio score a goal than be
told to buy Pepsi Cola.

Mike

    re -2
    
    there's nothing wrong with this note that a few wins wouldn't put
    right, starting with us -v- the Toon army next weekend....
    
    forza azzurri....

    .175 Mike
    
    wrong - no commercial breaks! this has been discussed in 87.* there's
    either on-screen graphics on they shrink the screen and show banners
    beneath it.
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.wicks

Phew, that's reassuring. It came from some American trying to convince me that
football was boring.

You have restored my faith in humanity.

Mike

	re .178

> Phew, that's reassuring. It came from some American trying to convince me that
> football was boring.

	Could have been a language problem. "...American ... football ... boring"
	translates into English as something like "Large lumps of padding chasing
	an elliptical ball produce less of an adrenalin rush than drying paint."

	Tony

    the run continues....QPR 1 Newcs 2
    good match tho. Engerland will have to pick that wee geordie.
    
    
    Ray

    hell of a match this Saturday. What I wouldn't give to be there....
    Can anyone give me the frequency of any radio stations that might
    broadcast the match?...
    
    Ray

	Ray, if you're further north than London on Saturday, I would
	suggest that Radio 5 would be your best bet. That's on Medium
	Wave about 909 KHz or somesuch...

	In London you will probably get saturation coverage on LBC and
	Capital maybe.

		p1

    heard from the internet that SheffUtd v QPR is postponed already due to
    the weather....
    
    and I have 2 QPR players, (Bardsley & Penrice) in my Fantasy Football
    team....
    

    under the pretense of being a football note....
    
       It's true that many football players are fans of horse-racing, so
    could somebody please post the result of today's Champion Hurdle from
    Cheltenham? I've put a fiver on the Irish horse, Fortune and Fame. It's
    a dead-cert winner....
    
    
    as I was saying, who are QPR playing this Saturday?...
    Ray

    
    Ray,
    
     I saw the race. Fame and Fortune is one of those nags with a head at
     each end.  It was a five furlong race and after the first three she
     still had 8 furlongs to go. Needless to say that you should have saved
     your fiver for coffees tommorrow.  
    
     As for QPR.  Twas an also ran.
    
    
    Gazzer

    Ah well,
    
    I'll have to try and get it all back by betting the house, the car and
    the MVax 3100 on Jodami in the Gold Cup on Thursday....
    I'm tellin' ya, it's a goer....

    
    
    So's my missus. But she'd never win a horse race.
    
    
    Anon.

    If/when QPR win their games in hand we should move up to fifth place.
    Is Europe a possibility or do we need to get higher than fifth
    place?...
    
    Ray...
    
    
          Team Name            Pld   W    D    L    F    A   Pts   GD
    
     1 Man. Utd.                34   22   10    2   69   32   76   37
     2 Blackburn Rovers         34   21    7    6   52   29   70   23
     3 Newcastle Utd.           34   19    6    9   68   33   63   35
     4 Arsenal                  34   16   13    5   46   19   61   27
     5 Leeds Utd.               34   14   13    7   47   33   55   14
     6 Liverpool                35   15    8   12   53   46   53    7
 ^^^^7 Q.P.R.                   32   14    8   10   52   42   50   10^^^^
     8 Aston Villa              34   13   11   10   39   33   50    6

    I think you have to play Leeds yet!!! :->>>
    
    So if you loose or draw that match you blow your hopes of 5th place!
    :->
    
    
    Rick.

    QPR 0-4 Leeds
    
    
    Sack Thompson....
    
    I didn't see any highlights so can anyone tell me the details of the
    pitch invasion?...
    
    Ray, (sick as a parrot cos my 2 brothers support Leeds)

    I hear that even the streaker wouldn't take her bra off.
    
    
    Rich.

    last night....
    QPR		1 -v- 1	    Chelsea
    Ferdinand		    Not Ferdinand
    
    
    Ray....

    by the way, where are all the QPR fans in DEC, oops, Digital. Come on,
    let's join the exclusive 200 notes club....
    
    Ray....

    Ray,
    
    I'm not actually a QPR supporter, but I'll follow my team's example and
    offer some encouragement to a little club by helping you towards 200.
    (My team do it by allowing crap teams to draw with them in the first
    game just to make it look like they have a chance. Of course, once they
    actually take the lead weights off their ankles for the replay, things
    go differently).
    
    Chin up lads, you only need about 3,500 more replies to catch up with 
    us ;-)
    
    
    Yours helpfully,
    
    Jerry.
                    

    re: .195
    
    Jerry,
    It's just that sort of talk that has us Manc-haters seething. The
    arrogance! The aloofness! The <insert appropriate abstract noun>!
    
    What gets me is the way you Mancs supporters think you have a divine
    right to win everything...no bottle whan it matters...Ince should have
    been booked...Pallister's always mouthing at the ref...Keane should have
    been sent off...we know why you have an all-black change strip...26
    years...no wonder Barrow-in-Furness are the popular choice for the
    Premiership...
    
    Oops - long live QPR!
    
    Dom

    that's it, lads, keep it up....almost there....
    oh and by the way, Dom. The English cricket team actually beat the
    windies yesterday. I heard that they won by a mile as well....hope this
    cheers you up....
    Ray....

    Dom,
    
    For God's sake, get the facts right man.
    
>    What gets me is the way you Mancs supporters think you have a divine
>    right to win everything...no bottle whan it matters...Ince should have
>    been booked...Pallister's always mouthing at the ref...Keane should have
>    been sent off...we
    
    
    1. We never claimed any right to win the (now) First, Second or Third
       Divisions.
    
    2. Ince should have been sent off. He's a really nasty piece of work
       and he never smiles.
    
    3. There's no way that the ref could have heard Pallister mouthing off
       to him. Sparky, Ince, Keane, Parker, Schmeichel and Robbo were
       drowning him out.
    
    4. Roy is still adapting to playing at Man Utd. He used to play Gaelic 
       Football at home in Cork. When a Cork coach says "Mark their No. 8"
       he means "MARK their No. 8 as often as possible before being sent
       off". So, it's really Alex Ferguson's fault for not being more clear
       in giving Roy his instructions.
       
    5. You've got it all wrong about the black strips too. They were a gift
       from the referee's association. I'm not sure but I think they were a
       gesture of appreciation for Man. United's sponsorship of the
       Referees Association annual Christmas Party. (It was held in the
       Carribean this year !).
    
    Hope this helps to clarify the facts for you, Dom.  Ray, sorry to get
    off the topic of this note ("Lesser known little teams making up the
    numbers"), but at least you're cruising towards the big 200. Exciting
    times indeed !
    
    Jerry.

Its amazing what some people do when the pressure starts getting to them ! 

First CUNNO and now Jerry Bolger is a Blackburn Rovers Fan !
 
For those of you who may have missed it here's the evidence. You may notice an 
obscure reference to HIS teams strategy, if thats not referring to what 
Blackburn did to MANU this season then I don't know what is.

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    Ray,
    
    I'm not actually a QPR supporter, but I'll follow my team's example and
    offer some encouragement to a little club by helping you towards 200.
>>  (My team do it by allowing crap teams to draw with them in the first    <<
>>  game just to make it look like they have a chance. Of course, once they <<
>>  actually take the lead weights off their ankles for the replay, things  << 
>>  go differently).
    

So there we have it, another Bandwaggoner deserts a team of the past to enjoy
a more glorious future with the mighty Blues.

We will now have to work at removing that large streak of arrogance from your 
nature but all the same, Well done Jerry, you and your mates are always 
welcome at Ewood Park.

Regards,

Andy

:-)   :-)   :-)   :-)   :-)   :-)
    

    YES....
    
    I think I'll write to QPR and tell them about this momentous occasion
    
    Ray....

    
    Getting back to the subject............
    
    	Yes, England beat the West Indies  in the 4th test in Barbados
    yesterday by around 200 runs. Admittedly the Windies Captain,
    Richardson, and another opening batsmans Deszzy Hainds (sp) were
    severely injured but bravely opted to bat on. Englands wicket keeper
    Jack Russel missed a few sitters and fast bowler Lewis was lucky to get
    off without a booking....... All in all a great win for England, the
    1st team to beat the Windies in Barbados for 59 years! Of course,
    sceptics like Cunno will point out that the Windies had already won the
    Premiership and didn't need the result.........
    
    8-)
    
    Ow's that Ray?
    
    JBG

    
    My brother is a QPR fan, and he has a crap tattoo to prove it.
    
    Tony
    
    

    It's a fair cop, Andy.
    
    I must say though, that my conversion has not been quite as dramatic as
    you imply. I've been hedging my bets for some time now, and indeed
    friends recently heard me say "Blackburn aren't as crap as they used to
    be !". I believe that this entitles me to membership of the BR
    Supporters Club. (IS it a coincidence that Blackburn Rovers share their
    initials with British Rail ?  More about that later, I've to go and
    kick Jon Goode around the pitch for 90 minutes now !).
    
    Jerry.

    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    re: .197
    Ray,
    
    Joking is one thing, but telling an ex-pat that England have won a
    cricket match is not my idea of fun. Come on, how many innings did they
    lose by? How many hat tricks did Ambrose & Walsh get? Who's replacing
    Atherton as captain for the next test (Mike Denness? Trevor Bailey?
    W.G. Grace?) ?
    
    re: .198
    
    Jerry,
    Don't give me that! I used to think Cunno was a madman - now I'm
    beginning to realise that he was right all along. Do you not realise
    that last night's game was beamed across the globe? A fine example from
    the country who gave the world Stanley Matthews, Billy Wright and Gary
    Lineker (note that I didn't mention Bobby Charlton...).
    
    And was I the only person who noticed that the ref played only 27
    seconds of injury time last night? Look, if you can't win by fair
    means, just forget it.
    
    Dom
    
    P.S.
    >Hope this helps to clarify the facts for you, Dom.  Ray, sorry to get
    >off the topic of this note ("Lesser known little teams making up the
    >numbers"), but at least you're cruising towards the big 200. Exciting
    >times indeed !
    
    Now don't you go rubbing Ray up the wrong way. Next thing you know,
    they'll sell Ferdinand to Chequebook Rovers and United'll really have
    to pull their socks up if they want to do the Treble next year...  
    
    P.P.S.
    Ray, you're showing admirable patience. And I think QPR have got a
    future England captain in Ray Wilkins.

    Right, you lot...that's it....get out of our note. You're all
    barred....All I wanted was 200 notes and I've started a war....
    All we need now is a Cunno special to turn this into a full scale 
    AntiManUtd. note....
    
    Anyone see Ferdinands goal last night?...Inquiring minds etc....
    Anyone see Standing Room Only last night?...Inquiring minds etc....
    
    Ray the bouncer.... 

    Ray,               
    
    sorry about that, just one of those moments that was too good to miss,
    a chance to help you get a double century and let those clowns know
    that their nonsense does not go unnoticed ;-)
    
    Regardless of this ban on away fans, you'll be very welcome at
    Ewood Park next week when QPR visit Blackburn. We'll be looking for
    three points after what was, I believe, a close game at your place. Mr
    Ferdinand might also want to check out the local property market while
    he's up here :-)   
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    p.p.s. Please don't bar Tony, I'd love to hear some more about his brothers
    Crap tattoo, most people prefer a snake or a dagger but I suppose it
    takes all sorts ;-). 

    >Right, you lot...that's it....get out of our note. You're all
    >barred....All I wanted was 200 notes and I've started a war....
    >All we need now is a Cunno special to turn this into a full scale 
    >AntiManUtd. note....
    
    >Ray my boy,
    Was it something *I* said? There's a least one reference to QPR in
    every one of my notes...feel free to check.
    
    Can't understand what's biting you - you've avoided relegation again
    this year, Ferdinand hasn't agreed terms with a top club yet, etc. 
    
    I dunno, some people are never happy...
    
    Dom

    
    Well, it's a lop-sided wonkey shield. It looks like a four year olds
    drawing and even the `Q P R' bit is uneven.
    
    That'll teach him to get pissed at Southsea.
    
    Tony
    
    

    My master plan worked....17 notes in one day in one of the lesser notes
    in TRUCKS::FOOTBALL. God, I'm good....
    
    
    
    right lads, the QPR note is now going to sleep until the new season or
    until Ferdinand leaves, Wilkins retires or til the chairman sods
    off....
    
    goodbye and thanks for all the fish....
    
    Ray....

    
    
     Ray, 
    
        I was at my local with Mick Brown(Capital Radio jock) He was also
        at the QPR Chelsea game last night. ( Name dropper supreme ... If
        any one wants a mention on CR give me a shout !)
     
    
        But then he supports Chelsea so that still leaves two - you and
        Tonys divvy brother.
    
    
        Gazzer

    Re .210
    
    Ray,
    
    Do I take that to mean you won't be interested in the details of the 5th
    test from Antigua! 8-)
    
    JBG
    

    ZZZZZZZzzzzzzz....

RE; last dozen or so.

	QPR play in the same colours as Reading, who are the premier team in 
the country. 

    >	QPR play in the same colours as Reading, who are the premier team in 
    >the country.
    
    Yes, but Sheffield Wednesday play in the same colours as Germany (well
    there's white in both kits) who are the World Champions!!
    
    Paul.
     
    

    Paul Parker used to play for QPR. Do I win a prize?
    
    Ray....

    ...and Ray Wilkins brother plays for BHA.
    
    Dom 

    .and Ray Wilkins has the same as christian as wot i have. Do I win a
    prize?
    
    
    Ray (not Wilkins)....

    a lot of your players come from Bristol Rovers, and I'm a Bristolian.
    Do I win a prize ?
    
    Rich (Bristolian) Harris.

    If QPR were called Waterford United then they'ld have the same name as
    my home town's soccer team !
    
    Jerry.

Re: .215

Andy,

Reading - premier team in the land?
and I thought that the `wacky backy' would be too expensive for you, in Geneva? 

Cheers... Norman

    QPR is an acronym for Queens Park Rangers and MFI isn't.
    
    Paul.
    

re:-2

Norman,
	As I've only got to see the super Royals 3 times this season (all 
wins), my mind seems to wonder just recalling the superb one touch, push and 
go, passing football, and none of this rubbish I see on Sky they call the 
Premiership. 

	This QPR business, I think I've started a trend to get QPR to 4000 
before Man U ! 

	Incidentally, Tony Witter, the QPR defender has been on loan to 
Reading this season.

Andy

    A good morale boosting win last Saturday with just the tiniest hint of
    handball about QPR's first goal. What about Everton? Another
    "too-good-to-go-down" team? Wouldn't it be amazing to see Tranmere and
    the Toffees waving to each other as they go in opposite directions?...I
    hope that it doesn't happen. Good luck to them....
    
    Ray    (no smileys)
    
    My 3 for the drop....(Tottenham and Everton to scrape home)
    
    Oldham
    Sheff Utd.
    Swindon
                                 

    
    ......going for 400......
    
    Hi Ray,
    
    	I just thought you might like to know that Brian Lara, the West
    Indies opener, broke the 30 year record of Sir Garfield Sobers in
    the 1st innings of the 5th & final test in Antigua yesterday.
    	He scored 375 before being caught behind off the bowling of Andy
    Caddick. The West Indies then declared at around 590 (ish). England
    finished the day on 180ish for 2, needing 394 to avoid the follow on.
    
    	Sobers, who had predicted that Lara would break his record on this
    wicket, was the first to congratulate Lara on his momentous achievement.
    
    JBG
    
    

    JBG....
    
    thanks for the info. What the bejaysus it had to do with football I
    don't know. Is Lara a football fan and does he have an Irish granny? I
    think we should be told....How's the Digital stock doing? I'll
    bet you a tenner that it goes below 20 bucks today....
    
    By the way, you'll all get a chance to see the mighty QPR take on
    B'burn on Sky this coming Sunday....I'll be honest, tho....I'm not sure
    who to shout for, I'd love to see Blackburn win the league, and before
    I get all the ManUtd. fans shouting at me, I hope they, (ManU) win the FA 
    Cup, mainly because they would have a better chance to win something in
    Europe next year, giving an extra English team in UEFA Cup, thus paving 
    the way for QPR to steam majestically into Europe and easily winning
    the UEFA Cup with a 10-0 aggregate win over Sampdoria in the final....
    
    where was I?...
    
    
    Oh yeah next Sunday, Blackburn 2-1 QPR....I could live with that....
    
    Ray

    
    Ray,
    
    	I though you were a QPR fan....obviously not! Mr Brian Lara played
    leftback for QPR for 3 seasons ('89-'92), scoring an average of 67
    direct hits on opposing forwards per innings.....
    
    8-)
    
    JBG
    
    Ok. I'll leave you with your measly 230 odd notes!

From VTX (Without permission) :

....Robert B. Palmer, Digital's chief executive since 1992, said: "The financial
 results are unacceptable to this management and obviously disappointing."  But
 Palmer also said his team had accomplished much.
   The company's newer lines of products - personal computers, data storage
 products and, its greatest hope, a line of computers based on Digital's new
 Alpha chip - are selling well, Palmer said.
   While sales of Digital's flagship VAX minicomputers are falling at a
 double-digit pace, sales of Alpha products jumped by a greater rate, said
 Bradley D. Allen, a spokesman.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   Alpha product sales rose 66% in the 3rd quarter, Allen said.  Total product
 revenues in the 3rd quarter outpaced those of the quarter before, even though
 the 2nd quarter is traditionally stronger, he said.
    

    I thought I hadn't heard much of him lately in the R's team - is it
    some tie-up with the CSF sponsorship deal ?
    
    
    R

    
    Ray,
    
    I think what Jon's trying to say is that the main reason for QPR's poor
    form this season has been Ray Wilkins' consistently naive field settings.
    Of course, it's also true that Ferdinand has been having trouble with
    his footmarks (I heard he was warned again by the referee on Saturday).
    
    What about putting in a bid for Vinnie Jones? His leg cutters take some
    stopping...
    
    Dom
    
    P.S. QPR, 230 without loss on the 3rd day.

Note 58.231
>>> What about putting in a bid for Vinnie Jones? His leg cutters take some
>>> stopping...

    
    Dom, I'm trying to think up a joke about `no-balls' and `googlies'? Any
    suggestions?...
    
    QPR 232 n.o.
    
    D.I. Gital    c. Hewlett-Packard	b. Palmer	183m

    -1
    
    Ray Ive just worked out your last line.
    
    
    Now that made me chuck(le)
    
    
    Gazzer

    Gerry Francis was at the Motherwell v Rangers game last night. The
    papers say that he was scouting Phil O' Donnell (who?) of Motherwell.
    Any Motherwell fans out there to fill in the blanks on Phil O'
    Donnell???? What position does he play? is he any good???? does he
    qualify to play for the Republic of Ireland? or has Craig Brown already
    got his mitts on him????
    
    
    that's enough questions for now????
    
    Ray....
    
    ps
    
    Ireland for the Eurovision Song Contest (again)!!!!
    
    

    
    Hands off Ireland.....he`s played for Scotland already.
    
    He`s an excellent prospect and plays in midfield for Motherwell.
    Actually I`m surprised Glasgow Rangers haven`t got the cheque-
    book out to buy him.
    
    Davie

    
    The Scottish senior team, or underage teams?
    
    If it's underage teams, we're still in with a shout.   :-)

    
    Re.236
    
    Seniors,not that long ago,can`t remember who against though.
    
    Davie

    
    
    
    Re:235
    
    >Actually I'm surprised Glasgow Rangers haven't got the Cheque-
     book out to buy him.
    
    I'm not..........Just look at the name.....:-)
    
    
    

    Great end to the season for QPR....If Spurs need 3 points next Saturday
    they couldn't have picked an easier team to beat at the moment....good
    luck to them, my uncle in Norff Lundun is a season ticket holder at
    White Hart Lane so he deserves a bit of good news....
    
    Ray....
    
    ps..
    How's about this for a cool piece of prediction???? ||||
    Do I win a prize????				||||
    							||||
    							||||
    							VVVV
    
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    Ray....
    
    ps
    
    Ireland for the Eurovision Song Contest (again)!!!!
                        

    Looks like the clear-out at QPR has started, with Ferdinand off to
    Blackburn for a reported fee of 4.75 million pounds, (Dom, that's about
    1,300,000,000,000,000 lire), and I confidently predict that our new
    young sensation Sinclair will go as well, probably to Spurs. God only
    knows who Francis will buy. He'll probably do what QPR always do, in
    other words, raid the lower divisions for a half decent player and then
    sell him to the bidder who comes in with the first decent offer, (a la
    Sinton, Peacock)....We finished 9th in the Premiership, compared to 5th
    last season, not bad when you consider how badly we played for most of
    the season, I can't really pick out any highlights, I suppose the pitch
    invasion by the fans who want to get rid of the Chairman would be the
    most memorable....
    
    looking forward to a great World Cup and, possibly, a European place
    for QPR after next season....
    
    Ray....

    re: .240
    >Looks like the clear-out at QPR has started, with Ferdinand off to
    >Blackburn for a reported fee of 4.75 million pounds, (Dom, that's about
    >1,300,000,000,000,000 lire), and I confidently predict that our new
    
    Ray, 
    
    I think you ought to know that there's been rampant inflation here
    since we last talked transfers...so you really need to add 4 zeroes
    onto that figure. Not that this ever constitutes any sort of problem
    here; rest assured that if the San Silvestro Altar Servers' XI had
    wanted to buy Ferdinand, they'd have snapped him up straight away!
    
    Dom

    Ray,
    
    re: Ferdinand transfer
    
    This is an awful lot of money in any currency ! Ferdinand is a great 
    target man and a competitor for an England Shirt but he's no spring 
    chicken (28-29?) and does seem to be a little injury prone.
    
    I don't know how far this deal has gone and I would not question King
    Kennys judgement but I find this early transfer move surprising.
    
    Could it be an opening gambit to strike financial fear into the 
    boardrooms of our major rivals ?.
    
    Le Tissier looks set to stay at Southampton so what price SUTTON now ?
      
    Confused of Blackburn.

    .242....Andy,	if you believe what the media say then Ferdinand is
    already a B'burn player, just the formality of signing the contract
    left. I think this means bye-bye for the likes of Newell and Gallagher
    and one or two more non-English players. You can give them to QPR if
    you like, we'll even swap managers if you want....how's about swapping 
    Ferdinand and Loftus Road for Newell, Gallagher and Jack Walker?...
    I could live with that....
    
    Ray....

    Ray,
    
    We've had horrific injuries this year and Kenny won't be caught without
    real strength in depth this season.
    
    Newell is English and one of the most underrated forward around, I hope
    we'll keep him. Gallacher is Scots but of similar quality when his leg 
    ain't broken ! I wouldn't like to see him leave either.
                                               
    We only have 2 other foriegners, Hendry & Berg, neither of whom should be
    leaving after the way they have played this year.
    
    This years bargain buys, assuming the disgruntled David May does stay, 
    could be Mark Atkins and Nicky Marker. There are also 4 who have all
    been at Blackburn 2 years but are yet to make a mark on the first team,
    Lee Makel, Frank Talia, Wayne Burnett and Simon Ireland. they might 
    be getting frustrated ? 
     
    I've been to Loftus Road and you can keep it, christ we just knocked 
    down a better ground than that and it was 100 years old !
    
    As for Jack Walker I think you better aim a little lower, 
    how about Annie Walker from the Street.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy 
                                       

    Andy,
    
    in which department did Blackburn suffer most during the run-up to the
    championship? The reason I ask is that I'm surprised that they want
    Ferdinand. I think they need a full-back,(a-la-Bardsley or Irwin), a
    better winger than Ripley, (a-la-Kan-Kan or Tony Daley) and probably
    someone like Mc Allister or a Dalglish-type player just in front of the
    middle men. Three good signings and Blackburn could be the finished
    article....IMHO they don't have a problem in the striker department....
    
    Ray....

    Ray,
    
    you have not been reading my notes carefully enough ;-) 
    
    Two Strikers is essential to our 4-4-2 pattern.
    
    We have suffered because Newell & Gallagher had serious injuries and were 
    unable to partner Shearer, also Colin Hendry (centre half) missed 3 
    key games.
    
    We have two of the best full backs in the country in Berg and Le Saux
    and adequate cover for them both.
    
    You may not like Ripley but he and Wilcox have been tremendous up until
    Ripleys minor injury (FYI: Tony Daley is an inconsistent waster, but yes 
    I would love to see Kanchelskis at Blackburn).
    
    Batty is the heart of our midfield so I suppose Sherwood might be 
    replaced if a very good McAllister type were available, but he would 
    have to be good !
    
    Personally I would like the following in our squad:
    
    Pallister, Le Tissier, Kanchelskis, Sutton. 
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy

    Andy,
    
    Re: -1
    
>    Personally I would like the following in our squad:
>      Pallister, Le Tissier, Kanchelskis, Sutton. 
    
    
    I agree that these four are excellent players, and can certainly 
    appreciate that you may want to get rid of the dead-wood that's
    currently playing for your team. However, do you honestly think that
    you'll be able to compete seriously, next year with a squad of just 
    four players. I mean, what happens if Kanchelskis gets injured  ;-))
    
    Jerry.

    re .247
    
    no Jerry, what he means is....ah, who cares, I'm going for a pint....
    
    
    Ray (thirsty)....

Pallister?@$#%!%?

Tony Daley's a better defender than fat-boy Pallister.

Mike

    I read in the Crystal Palace note that Wilkins has been given a free
    transfer....good luck to him. He more than earned his keep while at QPR
    and will be hard to replace....watch out for a possible bid for John
    Sheridan, or someone of that ilk....
    
    Ray....

    Les Ferdinand has signed a new 2-year contract....the Czech goalkeeper,
    Stejskal, will be going back home, I think....I wonder if Packie Bonner
    would consider moving to London for a couple of years....
    
    Ray, your roving reporter....

    rumours on the QPR mailimg list that Sedgley of Spurs is moving to
    QPR....could be a good buy, but, from what little that I've seen of him
    this season, he could also be a passenger in our already poor
    defense....just my opinion....
    Ray....

    Trevor Sinclair has scored twice in 2 games for England U-21 team in
    Toulon. Watch out for a 27 million pound bid from Newcastle/Blackburn
    or AC Milan....remember where you heard it first!!!!
    
    Ray....

Here's a QPR fixtures list typed in by a member of the "QPR Internet supporters
club":

Queens Park Rangers Fixture List 1994/95

August:
20 v Man United (a)
24 v Sheff Wed (h)
27 v Ipswich (h)
31 v Leicester (a)

September:
10 v Coventry City (h)
17 v Everton (a)
24 v Wimbledon (h)

October:
1  v Notts Forest (a)
8  v Tottenham (a)
15 v Man City (h)
22 v Norwich City (a)
29 v Aston Villa (h)

November:
2  v Liverpool (h)
5  v Newcastle (a)
19 v Leeds (h)
26 v Balcburn (a)

December:
3  v West Ham (h)
10 v Man United (h)
17 v Sheff Wed (a)
26 v Crystal Palace (a)
27 v Southampton (h)
31 v Arsenal (a)

January:
2  v Chelsea (h)
14 v Aston Villa (a)
21 v Norwich (h)
24 v Leeds (a)

February:
4  v Newcastle (h)
11 v Liverpool (a)
18 v Blackburn (h)
22 v West Ham (a)
25 v Notts Forest (h)

March:
4  v Wimbledon (a)
8  v Leicester (h)
11 v Ipswich (a)
18 v Everton (h)

April:
1  v Coventry City (a)
8  v Arsenal (h)
15 v Southampton (a)
17 v Crystal Palace (h)
29 v Chelsea (a)

May:
6  v Tottenham (h)
13 v Man City (a)

    God it's quiet in 58.*....come on all you closet QPR fans, I know that
    you are out there....Let's set a target of an extra 500 notes before
    the end of the season....August 20 -v- the Mancs could be the start of 
    something big, (i.e. a relegation battle, we haven't had one of those
    in a while).
    
    Here's to QPR finishing above Spurs next season....
    I don't suppose anyone has a list of pre-season fixtures?...
    
    Ray....

	Ray, it's a bit difficult to get excited when the majority of 
	your players have been sold and there's no concrete news of
	any replacements. Ferdinand ?! Oh him...We should've sold him
	to Chequebook or Moanchester when they thought he was worth
	6 million (grin!).

	Anyway most of the pre-season games are in Sweden, except the
	game against Derby County at the Baseball Ground 9th August.
	Hang on there's Basingstoke v QPR Reserves on the 2nd August.

	If you can check, out the local QPR Web page at...

		http://mpcc3.rpms.ac.uk/~ilathwel/www/qpr.html

	...that has up-to-date transfer (or lack of) information.
	Anyway you should know all this anyway !!!


		p1
	

    only 10 days until ManU get the whipping of their life at Old Trafford
    from the Super Hoops. Watch out for a Ferdinand hat-trick and a super
    showing from Sinclair, the next superstar of English football....

>>    only 10 days until ManU get the whipping of their life at Old Trafford
>>    from the Super Hoops. Watch out for a Ferdinand hat-trick and a super
>>    showing from Sinclair, the next superstar of English football....
    
    I read in yesterday's paper that both Ferdi and Sinclair were injured
    in the friendly against Derby(?) and were extreeeemly doubtful for the
    Utd game.
    
    Dave

August:
20 v Man United (a)
24 v Sheff Wed (h)
27 v Ipswich (h)
31 v Leicester (a)

September:
10 v Coventry City (h)
17 v Everton (a)
24 v Wimbledon (h)

October:
1  v Notts Forest (a)
8  v Tottenham (a)
15 v Man City (h)
22 v Norwich City (a)
29 v Aston Villa (h)

November:
2  v Liverpool (h)
5  v Newcastle (a)
19 v Leeds (h)
26 v Balckburn (a)

December:
3  v West Ham (h)
10 v Man United (h)
17 v Sheff Wed (a)
26 v Crystal Palace (a)
27 v Southampton (h)
31 v Arsenal (a)

January:
2  v Chelsea (h)
14 v Aston Villa (a)
21 v Norwich (h)
24 v Leeds (a)

February:
4  v Newcastle (h)
11 v Liverpool (a)
18 v Blackburn (h)
22 v West Ham (a)
25 v Notts Forest (h)

March:
4  v Wimbledon (a)
8  v Leicester (h)
11 v Ipswich (a)
18 v Everton (h)

April:
1  v Coventry City (a)
8  v Arsenal (h)
15 v Southampton (a)
17 v Crystal Palace (h)
29 v Chelsea (a)

May:
6  v Tottenham (h)
13 v Man City (a)

From:	VBORMC::"ilathwel@rpms.ac.uk" "Ian Lathwell" 25-AUG-1994 10:00:46.81
To:	qpr@cs.ucl.ac.uk
CC:	
Subj:	Wednesday

3-2 !!!

Our first win, our first home game, Gallen's first goal, a night of pleasure. 

Well sort of, I mean we won, that's something, but even in injury time I was 
sh*****g it. We deserved to win, no doubt about it, if all the easy chances 
we had were converted we would have had 10. I mean what are the chances of 
Ferdinand, on the edge of the six yard box, with only Pressman to beat, 
booting the ball past the fall post. Oh well.

For those of you that don't know Ferdinand opened up the scoring on 23 
minutes, with a typical scramble in the box in front of the away fans. In 
the 39th minute Wednesday picked up a loose ball (well Barker had it) and 
chipped in a low cross across the face of goal, where Sheriden stood all 
alone to nod in a training ground exercise goal. No defence to be seen once 
again. Twelve minutes into the second half and Holloway passed to sinclair 
on the edge of the area, and a powerful, low ball went straight into the 
bottom corner, leaving the crowd absolutely stunned at the brilliance of it. 
Wednesday of course came back in the 75th minute with Hyde heading in a 
Sherriden cross, and it all seemed to be getting familiar, until in the 79th 
minute the boy Gallen drove in a Holloway cross, allowed to run by Les. A 
fine goal, and a fine start.

Sinton was crapp as ever and was substituted after 30 minutes, pretending to 
be injured, I seem to remember he did that last year as well. Well he really 
"silenced the boo-boys at Loftus Road" and "gave Venables something to think 
about" as he said before the game. I would think that Venables thought who's 
that short-arse money grabbing injury ?

A few worries in that Willow looked a bit off form, a couple of times his 
passing was really s***. Yates didn't seem to know who he was marking, often 
causing everyone to move in a man leaving a Wednesday player on his own out 
wide, thankfully Les seemed to notice this, and actually came back to pick 
the player up. Holloway never impressed me, and although he is strong, 
battles and never gives up, he can't pass the ball for toffee and let us 
down on a couple of occasions. Maddix came on for Gallen late in the game 
and almost scored with his first touch, he looks like he may get a chance. 
Who knows.
    

    Yep not a bad game. I managed to get a ticket in the CSF (Digital
    re-seller) executive box. Great view, grub, drink ,etc but lacking
    somewhat in athmosphere.
    
    QPR need to shore up the defence soon ( a bit like spurs). Gallen looks
    a real find. There was one shot he took on the volley which was just
    wide. Sinclair is still improving and he will be in the England team
    before Sinton gets another game. Ferdinand seems to get better all the
    time he is definitely stronger now chasing the ball with excellent
    control.
    
    Bardsley seemed to lack commitment clearly responsible for the 2nd
    Wednesday goal and may be off to the Spurs anyway.
    
    Anyway 5 goals can't be too bad for starters.
    
    Martin Q

    
    Martin, why isn't Micheal Meaker in the squad this year?? He's messing
    up my Fantasy team!!
    
    Tony
    
    

    last night....
    
    Leicester 1 - 1 QPR
    
    no details of who scored....
    
    Ray....

    LEICESTER SCORED AN OWN GOAL IN THE 41ST MINUTE,AFTER SINCLAIR WAS SENT
    OFF FOR HIS SECOND BOOKABLE OFFENCE AND THEY SCORED IN THE 78TH MINUTE
    FOR THE EQULISER.
    SO THIS IS ANOTHER DISAPOINTING RESULT WHICH MUST END IF WE ARE TO
    CARRY ON IN THE PREM LEAGUE.
    SO COME ON YOU SUPER HOOPS!!!
    

    
    	Fine, but did you really need to be so loud? 8-)
    
    	Upper case is considered SHOUTING in NOTES.
    
    	Andy.

    LEAVE REDDYM ALONE ANDY. FINDING ANOTHER QPR SUPPORTER IN HERE IS
    SOMETHING TO SHOUT ABOUT....
    
    Ray....

    
    	 8-)
    

	I heard that the equaliser was in the last minute. They just 
	couldn't keep up the concentration. (...and Roberts is rubbish,
	but we all know that anyway...)

    ref 58.267
    sorry for SHOUTING but i didnt know that upper case was SHOUTING.
    and i apolagise for the mistake about the last goal.
    also i agree that roberts is sh!t but who else have we got!!!!
    
    
    
    
    matt reddy
    

    well folks,    no game this weekend so at least we won't lose again....
    
    even the QPR mailing list is quiet....    and to MREDDY, have you
    joined the QPR mailing list yet?...If not mail me off-line and I'll
    tell you how to join, if you like....
    
    				up the R's....
    
    Ray....

> re: Note 58.272 by PEKING::REDDYM
>
>    also i agree that roberts is sh!t but who else have we got!!!!
>    
	Err...I thought we signed a Dutchman from Motherwell in the summer.
	He must be awful if Roberts keeps him out the team.

    
    the new dutchman is not as good as roberts.
    he likes trying to play a sweeper role and not a keeper and isnt very
    good at either so even though roberts is sh!t until we buy a decent
    replacement he'll have to do.
    
    m reddy

    QPR's bid of 500,000 quid,(plus 300,000 after x amount of
    apppearances), for Dundee Utd.'s David Hannah has been knocked back by
    their manager Ivan Golac. Golac reckons that within a couple of years
    he will be worth multi-millions....I wonder is Golac familiar with the
    saying `A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush'....
    
    Ray.... 

August:
20 v Man United (a)		0 - 2
24 v Sheff Wed (h)		3 - 2	(Ferdinand, Sinclair, Gallen)
27 v Ipswich (h)		1 - 2	(Ferdinand)
31 v Leicester (a)              1 - 1   (Own Goal)

September:
10 v Coventry City (h)		2 - 2	(Penrice, 2)
17 v Everton (a)
24 v Wimbledon (h)

October:
1  v Notts Forest (a)
8  v Tottenham (a)
15 v Man City (h)
22 v Norwich City (a)
29 v Aston Villa (h)

November:
2  v Liverpool (h)
5  v Newcastle (a)
19 v Leeds (h)
26 v Balckburn (a)

December:
3  v West Ham (h)
10 v Man United (h)
17 v Sheff Wed (a)
26 v Crystal Palace (a)
27 v Southampton (h)
31 v Arsenal (a)

January:
2  v Chelsea (h)
14 v Aston Villa (a)
21 v Norwich (h)
24 v Leeds (a)

February:
4  v Newcastle (h)
11 v Liverpool (a)
18 v Blackburn (h)
22 v West Ham (a)
25 v Notts Forest (h)

March:
4  v Wimbledon (a)
8  v Leicester (h)
11 v Ipswich (a)
18 v Everton (h)

April:
1  v Coventry City (a)
8  v Arsenal (h)
15 v Southampton (a)
17 v Crystal Palace (h)
29 v Chelsea (a)

May:
6  v Tottenham (h)
13 v Man City (a)

    22 Sept 94
    
    CC Cup 2nd round 1st leg result....
    
    Carlisle 0 - 1 QPR  (Ferdinand)
    
    up the R's

    24th Sept. 94....
    
    QPR 0 - 1 Wimbledon
    
    it can't get any worse than this....OR CAN IT????

You could be a Tottenham Supporter   ;.)

    NottsForest v QPR this Sunday. Is this Sky's Super Sunday game? I
    confidently predict 7-7 draw....
    
    quackquack-gibbergibber-my old mans' a mushroom etc.etc....
    
    Ray (of hope)....

    QPR v Man City in the next round of the CC Cup....

    Interesting local derby tomorrow v Spurs at White Hart Lane. It will
    probably be Ardiles' last match in charge at WHL...8~)
    
    		3-2 to the superhoops....
    
    Ray....
    
    up the R's....

>>>From:	VBORMC::"ilathwel@rpms.ac.uk" "Ian Lathwell" 
>>>To:	qpr@cs.ucl.ac.uk
>>>CC:	
>>>Subj:	News from the Scum

>>>"Francis goes Dutch 
>>>------------------
>>>QPR Boss Gerry Francis is set to make an 800,000 bid for Dutch international
>>>Michel Kraag. "

    Can any of our Dutch noters fill in some details about this guy?...
    
>>>Also from the Scum,

>>>Michael Thomas wants to get out of Anfield on loan. 
>>>"Thomas a QPR target in the summer.."
    
    Please keep him....

August:
20 v Man United (a)		0 - 2
24 v Sheff Wed (h)		3 - 2	(Ferdinand, Sinclair, Gallen)
27 v Ipswich (h)		1 - 2	(Ferdinand)
31 v Leicester (a)              1 - 1   (Own Goal)

September:
10 v Coventry City (h)		2 - 2	(Penrice, 2)
17 v Everton (a)		2 - 2	(Ferdinand, 2)
20 v Carlisle (a) CC Cup R2L1	1 - 0	(Ferdinand)
24 v Wimbledon (h)		0 - 1

October:
1  v Notts Forest (a)		2 - 3   (Ferdinand, Allen)
5  v Carlisle (h) CC Cup R2L2	2 - 0	(Allen, Willow pen.)
8  v Tottenham (a)              1 - 1   (Impey)
15 v Man City (h)
22 v Norwich City (a)
29 v Aston Villa (h)

                         -< the sad story so far.... >-

	Don't worry, Devon White is nearly fit...

    aaaaaaaarrrrrggggghhhhhh!!!!!!
    
    
    why do I torture myself????why????
    
    I think I'll start supporting the Miami Dolphins again....
    
    Ray....

From:	VBORMC::"ilathwel@rpms.ac.uk" "Ian Lathwell" 18-OCT-1994 09:30:38.33
To:	qpr@cs.ucl.ac.uk
CC:	
Subj:	Arsenal 8 million bid - Sir Les & Trev

From todays Sun:

Arsenal manager George Graham is planning a record-breaking 8 million pound
raid on QPR for England stars Les Ferdinand and Trevor Sinclair.

...

Rangers owner Richard Thompson is putting Francis on the spot to accept
Arsenal's cash. The moment Graham ups his bid for Ferdinand to around 5
million then the deal will almost certainly go through. And this time
Arsenal will insist that exciting winger Sinclair is part of the package.
______________________________________________________________________________

    
    But can Les play in the defence??? 8-)
    
    JBG

       <<< Note 58.288 by IRNBRU::HOWARD "June18-94, the Italian Job" >>>
                             -< from the Net.... >-

>million then the deal will almost certainly go through. And this time
>Arsenal will insist that exciting winger Sinclair is part of the package.
                          ^^^^^^^^

I find this very hard to believe, unless of course he has a criminal record.

Stuart   
 

    Is anyone else having trouble accessing this conference???? This is the
    first time I've got in in ages, (well, 4 hours anyway), if there's a
    problem I think we should be told,
    
    				Indignant of Ayr

I fail to get in every alternate attempt........strange, that.

I've been having loads of grief since yesterday.

    
    
    sir les is'nt going anywhere, as when i left the season ticket holders
    bar on saturday the security guard was talking to sir ferdinand's dad
    and he said ferdy's staying put.
    
    
    
          matt......
    
    p.s.  did any one see the interveiw with holloway on deaf children {as
    he has two of his own} where he said there will be a charity match
    involving Q.P.R. and i think man u.
    if anyone did please could they give details on the date and ground
    where it will be played.
    
    the interview was on the southeast news on wednesday 19th at 5:30pm.
    
    
                       matt
    

Does anyone have the telephone number of QPR Ticket office..?? and
do they happen to know if the QPR-MAN CITY game this coming wednesday is
all-ticket ??

Ta
Tony

>Does anyone have the telephone number of QPR Ticket office..??
	
	Try 081 749 7798 for QPR ticket info.


	

    Does anyone know how much the QPR home programme was last season?
    
    Thanks
    
    Mike M

    I'll send a mail off to the QPR mailing list to find out....
    
    Ray....
    
    ps....by the way, there's a terrific thunder and lightning storm going
    on at this moment up here in Ayr, just in case anyone's interested....

From:	VBORMC::"ilathwel@rpms.ac.uk" "Ian Lathwell" 25-OCT-1994 09:35:13.94
To:	qpr@cs.ucl.ac.uk
CC:	
Subj:	Re: question about our programme....

>Someone asked if I knew the price of our program this year....Can anyone
>furnish this info?...

#1.50 for normal matchday program

It is apparently one of the best in the premiership according to someone or
other.

--
    Ian Lathwell  -  E-Mail : ilathwel@rpms.ac.uk

    CC Cup
    
    QPR 3 - 4 Man City
    
    Ray....(sniff)

What's the best way to get to QPR's ground on a Saturday using public transport
(I am too poor to have a car)?

I've checked and there's tickets left. Am I likely to be able to get into the
Villa end if I turn up on the day without being a member of any Villa travelling
club or similar shady organisation?

Otherwise I'll just have to sit with the hooped ones and keep me gob shut. 8-)

Apologies for the stupid questions but I've never been to a premiership game
before, and there aren't that many restrictions on getting into the away ends in
third division games. 8-)

Cheers,

mike

    Mike,	I'll forgive you for taking note number 300. Send a mail to
    the following address and you should get the info you need....
    
    vbormc::"qpr@cs.ac.ucl.uk"
    
    if you slag our chairman you're bound to get an instant reply. His
    name's Richard Thomson and he's sucking the club dry....so the subject
    part of your mail should read something like....`Thomson out....and by
    the way, how do I get to QPR's ground on Sat. using public transport?"
    
    glad to be of help....

>What's the best way to get to QPR's ground on a Saturday using public transport
>(I am too poor to have a car)?

Hi Mike,

Train to Paddington, Hammersmith & City line to Shepherd's Bush, turn right 
out of the station .. . .

grahame

>What's the best way to get to QPR's ground on a Saturday using public transport
>(I am too poor to have a car)?
    
    
    Get a Taxi !

    
    
    Isn't it easier to get the tube to White City (Central line) - QPR's
    ground is about a five minute walk away along South Africa Road.
    
    Paul
    
    (Haven't been to QPR since about 1978 when I got 'done' at White City
    tube station)

    
    	re when you got 'done' at White City tube station...
    
    	Paul, how much was your bail for after that prosecution? 8-)
    
    	I thought they'd cleared up most of that sort of street trade
    	these days...
                            
    	Andy.

Thanks for the help. No doubt we'll get stuffed, but at least I'll get to see
Andy Townsend's highlights.

Mike

    Mike,
    
    I don't know if Grahame's trying to get you lost but I think it's
    a right out of the tube station and then a left on South africa Road.
    
    Anyone have a London A-Z to hand?
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks

    some good news, (I hope)
    
    I believe that we have signed Steve Hodge from Derby for 250,000
    quid....
    
    on the downside....rumours that Gerry Francis is in line for the Spurs
    job if/when Ardiles gets the order of the boot....
    
    HANDS OFF OUR GERRY, MR. SUGAR....
    
    we're also on the trail of one of the Feyenoord players, I'm not sure which 
    one but I believe that he plays mainly in the reserves....yep, he
    should be up to our current standard, mediocre....
    
    Aston Villa and Liverpool this weekend....I'd be happy with 2 points,
    ecstatic with 4 but I only expect 1....
    
    Ray....

    QPR 2 Liverpool 1
    
    Another great result from a great team performance.
    sir les was'nt offside like the liverpool supporters seem to think in
    there notes.Liverpool had more possession but Qpr were breaking into
    attack more and had about 13 shots or so but the Pool didn't test our
    keeper as often as they should have.Barnes also had a good game and
    looks very good and took his goal well.But Ferdie came up trumps and
    made Ruddock look out of his depth with his pace..
    
    Roll on Newcastle,Man U and the REST!!!!!!!!!!!!!8-)
    
    
    Matt... 
    

errr...I'm impartial, but I recon there was a nasty bit of offside going on 
there!

    Rather surprisingly, the new target for the Press this morning is Gerry
    Francis. Apparently, he committed the cardinal sin of not turning up
    for a press conference after last nights win and is now, according to
    reports, involved in a bitter struggle with the club because of the
    appointment of Rodney Marsh as Chief Executive. Mike Walker must be
    relieved....
    
    Stuart 

Sky made the rather sensationalist remark :
  "Gerry Francis has gone!"

after last night's match.  No-one knew what they were talking about, as old 
Richard Keyes clearly thought "gone" meant "sacked" or "resigned", while the 
rest of the SKY team realised it meant "gone home for a nice cup of tea".

He left a statement saying roughly "We played really well, and we deserved the 
win"

That was it.

I think the problem the press have got with this approach is that they can't 
mutate the words from a written statement, whereas if he'd turned up, they 
could've written any old tosh down, and attributed it to him.

    The fact that a person hasn't spoken to the press has never stopped
    them making up quotes in the past. The problem with the press at this
    moment in time, is that they feel that having forced England managers
    and other luminaries in club football out of jobs (well the press think
    that they have) they are now in a position to f!@# around with all 
    managers jobs irrespective of how performances are going (fergie beware
    if the Mancs don't win the European Cup) and it won't end all the while 
    that Chairmen take notice of the bullshit that is written by
    "journalists".
    
    Stuart 
    

    I should go home more often, I think. I go home for 5 days and we win 2
    big games, we shoot up to 15th place, Rodney Marsh, (maybe), is coming
    back to West London with pots of money hopefully, and I've moved up a
    couple of notches in the QPR mailing list prediction comp....
    
    up the R's.... 

August:
20 v Man United (a)		0 - 2
24 v Sheff Wed (h)		3 - 2	(Ferdinand, Sinclair, Gallen)
27 v Ipswich (h)		1 - 2	(Ferdinand)
31 v Leicester (a)              1 - 1   (Own Goal)

September:
10 v Coventry City (h)		2 - 2	(Penrice, 2)
17 v Everton (a)		2 - 2	(Ferdinand, 2)
20 v Carlisle (a) CC Cup R2L1	1 - 0	(Ferdinand)
24 v Wimbledon (h)		0 - 1

October:
1  v Notts Forest (a)		2 - 3   (Ferdinand, Allen)
5  v Carlisle (h) CC Cup R2L2	2 - 0	(Allen, Willow pen.)
8  v Tottenham (a)              1 - 1   (Impey)
15 v Man City (h)		1 - 2	(Wilson)
22 v Norwich City (a)		2 - 4	(Barker, Gallen)
25 v Man City (h) CC Cup R3	3 - 4	(Gallen, Sinclair, Penrice)
29 v Aston Villa (h)		2 - 0	(Dichio, Penrice)

November:
2  v Liverpool (h)		2 - 1	(Sinclair, Ferdinand)
5  v Newcastle (a)
19 v Leeds (h)
26 v Blackburn (a)

    Rumor has it that Rodney Marsh won't be taking up his position on the
    board. Several of the senior players and Gerry Francis voiced thier
    concerns to the board and hopefully we can put this episode behind us
    and get that wankstain-on-the-underpants-of-humanity, Thompson, off our
    board....
    
    I feel better already, roll on the Toon....
    
    Ray....

    
    Re -1
    
    A classic description.
    
    Davie

From:	VBORMC::"ilathwel@rpms.ac.uk" "Ian Lathwell"  4-NOV-1994 11:39:44.66
To:	qpr@cs.ucl.ac.uk
CC:	
Subj:	Re: The Francis-Marsh affair

>
>Hey,
>
>Somebody tell me what's the latest in this pathetic affair.

OK, as far as I know here is what has happened.

1) Rodney was offered the CEO job

2) Gerry expressed his annoyance at that.

3) Thompson continued talks with Marsh

4) Marsh still did not accept the job, saying that he wanted to talk to Francis

5) On Monday night Francis stormed out of Loftus Road, and training has been
cancelled this week, and none of the players have seen him at all.

6) At 1:30pm Thursday 03/11 Gerry Francis issued a press release saying "It
is with deep regret that I have found it necessary to resign from QPR. I am
immensely proud of the achievements by the players and club over the last
three seasons in difficult circumstances."

7) Gerry has agreed to travel to Newcastle as manager, but is adamant that
it will be his final game in charge of the team.

8) Thompson/Ellis have said they will not be continuing talks with Marsh,
after Bardsley and Ferdinand both said that they would leave if Gerry was to go.

9) Talks are set for Monday between Gerry and Thompson/Ellis.

10) The supporters clubs have promised that the protests against Thompson,
should Gerry go, would be the worst ever experienced, and the protests of
last year, and the past few games would be small compared to this.

That's all I know at present. I'll post a fuller report on this after lunch.

--
    Ian Lathwell  -  E-Mail : ilathwel@rpms.ac.uk
    

From:	VBORMC::"steven.sayce@brasenose.oxford.ac.uk" "Steven H Sayce" 11-NOV-1994 12:30:11.64
To:	Ian Wakeman <qpr@cs.ucl.ac.uk>
CC:	
Subj:	Confirmation

Just thought I'd let you all know:

It has just been confirmed that QPR has accepted Gerry Francis's 
resignation. I have just heard this on Radio Five. The protests are only 
just about to begin...

WE WANT THOMPSON OUT!!!!!!!!!

Steve Sayce

    Ray Wilkins looks like being our next (player-)manager....
    
    Europe here we come!!!!(for our holidays)....
    
    Ray....

    just in case anyone cares, Ray Wilkins is confirmed as the new manager.
    He stated that none of our senior players would be sold, (that's
    something akin to the manager getting the vote-of-confidence from the
    board, i.e. bye-bye Les et al). 
    
    Ray....

    3-2 v Leeds Utd.
    
    Sir Les got 2 and the wonderkid Gallen scored the other....Europe here
    we come!!!!
    
    Ray....

    David bardsley is not going to spurs as it said in the sun this
    morning, he has said he wants to stay with the Rangers and Wilkins and
    Thompson also wants him to stay.
    {info supplied by the evening standard,evening edition.}
    
    
    
    matthew.......
    
    

    ah well Butch, back to basics....
    
    this match is only the second time that we've failed to score all
    season....pretty impressive, eh????
    
    Ray....

August:
20 v Man United (a)		0 - 2
24 v Sheff Wed (h)		3 - 2	(Ferdinand, Sinclair, Gallen)
27 v Ipswich (h)		1 - 2	(Ferdinand)
31 v Leicester (a)              1 - 1   (Own Goal)

September:
10 v Coventry City (h)		2 - 2	(Penrice, 2)
17 v Everton (a)		2 - 2	(Ferdinand, 2)
20 v Carlisle (a) CC Cup R2L1	1 - 0	(Ferdinand)
24 v Wimbledon (h)		0 - 1

October:
1  v Notts Forest (a)		2 - 3   (Ferdinand, Allen)
5  v Carlisle (h) CC Cup R2L2	2 - 0	(Allen, Willow pen.)
8  v Tottenham (a)              1 - 1   (Impey)
15 v Man City (h)		1 - 2	(Wilson)
22 v Norwich City (a)		2 - 4	(Barker, Gallen)
25 v Man City (h) CC Cup R3	3 - 4	(Gallen, Sinclair, Penrice)
29 v Aston Villa (h)		2 - 0	(Dichio, Penrice)

November:
2  v Liverpool (h)		2 - 1	(Sinclair, Ferdinand)
5  v Newcastle (a)		1 - 2	(Dichio)
19 v Leeds (h)			3 - 2	(Ferdinand 2, Gallen)
26 v Blackburn (a)		0 - 4

December:
4  v West Ham (h)		2 - 1	(Ferdinand, Sinclair)
10 v Man United (h)
17 v Sheff Wed (a)
26 v Crystal Palace (a)
27 v Southampton (h)
31 v Arsenal (a)

    QPR play Aylesbury in thw FA Cup 3rd round....
    
    IT can't happen again....can it????
    
    Ray....

From:	VBORMC::"jrlewisv@pine.shu.ac.uk" "Julian Lewis"  7-DEC-1994 14:40:40.14
To:	QPR Mailing List <qpr@cs.ucl.ac.uk>
CC:	
Subj:	Man Utd

Regarding the match where cockney reds take over our home end with QPR doing 
nothing to stop them.

I have heard that Cantona is out cos of french team commitments.
I hear that Mark Hughes is suspended.
Kanchelskis is doubtful?
Schmeichel is out?
And Ferguson says the dressing room is like a morgue nowadays.

So if anyone can verify this extremingly pleasing news, I may just take the 
    generous odds of 9-4 for a team which has just beaten Villa, Liverpool, 
    Leeds and Wet Ham at home.

    Cantona on French duty;
    Hughes was suspended from Europe; didn't think it was the league.
    Schmeichal, Giggs, Sharpe all out -- KAnKan may be fit.
    
    AS for the 'morgue' thing; that was the Sunday Mirror scratching
    aroiund for a story. 'A senior professional' at Mecca was quoted as
    saying this, not Fergie. Players are supposed to have wanted Captain
    marvel as understudy to manager, not Brian Kidd.
    
    And United will, of course, win.

    Re: Hughes.
    
    As Simon said, his suspension was only for European matches. However,
    I believe he may not be available due to international duty.
    
    But we'll still win ;-)
    
    Jerry.

    Jerry
    
    So when does his suspension for his act of petulance (and no that is
    not an insinuation that Mr Hughes likes sh@33ing his labrador) at
    Highbury start?
    
    Stuart (eagerly awaiting the European drawon Friday week ;-))
     

    a sneak preview for all you Noel Edmonds House Party fans....
    
    apparently he conned the QPR team into appearing in a `charity' fashion 
    show where they wore some awful stuff and apparently Sir Les made a
    particular prat of himself....
    
    who says we don't win trophies....
    
    Ray....

From:	VBORMC::"SPENCRG@stoyuk.mhs.compuserve.com" "Richard Spence"  9-DEC-1994 10:50:34.25
To:	qpr <qpr@cs.ucl.ac.uk>
CC:	
Subj:	Billy Bonds

Billy bonds has been made youth team coach apparently.  Anyone know 
any more about this?

    re -1
    
    It's true. They announced it on Sky last night. 

    that has to be good news for QPR....
    
    by the way, you lucky sods back home in Ireland get to see QPR v the
    Red Sh...sorry `the worlds greatest football team in history bar
    nobody' live on TV this Saturday....
    
    Ray....

    
>    	I thought the Red Sh... was Liverpool...
    
    Correct. The red so and so (merde rouge) are Liverpool FC.
    
    For Man Utd, try red scum (merde rouge terrible)
    
    	William Ralph Dean

The babes who make the game look good

Henry Winter on the array
of home-grown talent that
is helping to heal some
of the wounds suffered
by the FA Premiership

IT'S OFFICIAL: football really is a game of two halves. During the week, an
avalanche of allegations and calamities continues
to tumble down the face of the FA Carling Premiership. Then, when Saturday
comes, we pick our way through the debris to sit
down in increasingly magnificent stadiums to watch some captivating sport.

At Loftus Road, where Queens Park Rangers were desperately unfortunate to
lose 3-2 to Manchester United. Like many
other clubs and individuals within football, Rangers have experienced their
weekday woes. But football is a fast healer and the
return of Ray Wilkins lifted the Loft-dwellers.

The healing process is assisted by the emergence of young prospects, not
simply the 38-year-old Wilkins as a manager but
among players. For most clubs, clarity of purpose begins with home-grown
talent. At the start of a B international week when
Terry Venables builds for the future, it is worth reflecting on how many
young English players have become integral parts of
their teams. From Spurs (Nicky Barmby and Sol Campbell) to Manchester City
(Garry Flitcroft), from Everton (David
Unsworth) to Liverpool (how many do you want?). 

Steps towards a footballing nirvana 

Steps towards a footballing nirvana are accelerated by the emancipation of
youth. As they seek the Premiership passport back
to Europe's elite, United have become increasingly reliant on youngsters.

Gary Neville again looked a hugely promising right-back whose judgment will
inevitably improve with time and tuition. Simon
Davies possesses a refreshing will to take defenders on while, further
afield, Paul Scholes, the shortest player on the pitch,
scored with two headers.

Ferguson rates the substitute Nicky Butt as the most advanced of all his
youngsters. But it is Scholes (and to a lesser extent the
absent David Beckham) who continually catches the eye, whether as a
target-man or by dropping off, a la Eric Cantona, into
midfield, from where he made United's marvellous second for Roy Keane.

Wilkins called the Salford-born 20-year-old "exceptional". Rangers manager
even suggested these new Babes were the best
crop he had seen. "It does appear that the Ryan Giggs era does have a
brilliant future."

Regeneration through the new generation 

Babewatch is not just a United show: Rangers' teenager Kevin Gallen again
added to his reputation. Watching him hold up play
intelligently, turn Steve Bruce, shrug off other defenders, and then cross
or shoot with equal accuracy, it is difficult to believe
that Gallen was starting only his 12th game.

Gallen's growing stature gave Wilkins more cause to be "heartened by the
state of our game". He added: "I look at the
under-21 squad and we are very fortunate there are players who are more than
capable of holding their own in the
Premiership." 

Regeneration through the new generation, it's an encouraging theme. But
young minds need old heads around them. It was
interesting to note Ferguson effectively replace Neville with Keane in
defence to cope with Andy Impey. At the other end,
Gallen profited again from operating alongside Les Ferdinand, who
contributed another masterful display against United,
scoring the first and last goals of an admirable encounter.

Ferdinand's first would, in Wilkins' opinion, have required the combined
presence of "two goalkeepers to stop". Gary Walsh,
who played well, stood no chance with Ferdinand's 30-yarder.

The young guns hit back

The young guns hit back, Scholes embarrassing Rangers' defence with a neat
header. Keane, only three years Scholes's senior,
then accepted the forward's Cantona-style caress of the ball to gallop 50
yards to beat Sieb Dykstra. The champions were
rolling and, two minutes after the break, went further clear with Scholes
again exploiting poor defending.

Looking anything like a bottom-six side, Rangers, well-balanced and full of
vigour, regained the initiative. Gallen kept turning
the ageing Bruce and it was no surprise when Ferdinand, set up by his
youthful accomplice, headed past Walsh to enforce a
passionate final 25 minutes during which heads were lost - but never the
commitment to cerebral football.

Football's feel-good factor needs more occasions like this.

Full results

Queens Park Rangers: Dykstra; Bardsley, McDonald, Maddix, Wilson; Impey,
Hodge, Barker, Sinclair; Ferdinand, Gallen.
Subs: Caldwell (g), Holloway, Allen. Booked: Ferdinand, McDonald. Goals:
Ferdinand (23, 65).

Manchester Utd: Walsh; Neville (Gillespie 77), Pallister, Bruce, Irwin;
Kanchelskis, Keane, Ince, Davies (Butt 67); Scholes,
McClair. Sub: Pilkington (g). Booked: Neville, Keane, Irwin, Ince. Goals:
Scholes (34, 47), Keane (44).

Referee: G Poll (Reading).

    As Keane's goal was so near half-time, perhaps the journalist was
    already heading for the bar -- it was McClair who laid on the pass
    (although it was nice flick from Scholes in the first place).
    
                                          

    SheffWed 0 - 2 QPR
    
    our first away win of the season!!!!
    
    Ray....

    I'm off back to the old country so....
    to all footy fans wherever you may be....
    
    MERRY XMAS AND A HAPPY 1973!!!!
    
    Santa Claus is sending me a power ranger, a Nintendo and a mountain
    bike but only if I behave and go to bed before 9:00 on Saturday
    night, so apologies to anyone I've pis...sorry, annoyed this
    year....and good luck to all those nice Man Utd. fans as well, they
    really are the salt of the earth,(gag), and Man Utd.(choke) really are
    a quite superb team who deserve all the breaks(bork)that the refs keep 
    giving them(huey)(rolf)(buuurrrrrppppp!)(mother-of-all-f@#ts)(faint)
    
    ....

    
    
    
    Q.P.R. v CHELSEA
    
    
    for anyone who does'nt know, the game has been called off due to 
    the frozen pitch.
    
    m reddy             

	Has Devon White signed for Notts County or is he on loan ?

	Jane

Due to Kevin Gallen breaking into the team GF let Devon White go due to the
number of strikers QPR have - there's also Penrice & Bradley Allen.

Took his goal well against Manccie City @ the weekend.  Always like to see a 
striker score and take the goalie out at the same time !

August:
20 v Man United (a)		0 - 2
24 v Sheff Wed (h)		3 - 2	(Ferdinand, Sinclair, Gallen)
27 v Ipswich (h)		1 - 2	(Ferdinand)
31 v Leicester (a)              1 - 1   (Own Goal)

September:
10 v Coventry City (h)		2 - 2	(Penrice, 2)
17 v Everton (a)		2 - 2	(Ferdinand, 2)
20 v Carlisle (a) CC Cup R2L1	1 - 0	(Ferdinand)
24 v Wimbledon (h)		0 - 1

October:
1  v Notts Forest (a)		2 - 3   (Ferdinand, Allen)
5  v Carlisle (h) CC Cup R2L2	2 - 0	(Allen, Willow pen.)
8  v Tottenham (a)              1 - 1   (Impey)
15 v Man City (h)		1 - 2	(Wilson)
22 v Norwich City (a)		2 - 4	(Barker, Gallen)
25 v Man City (h) CC Cup R3	3 - 4	(Gallen, Sinclair, Penrice)
29 v Aston Villa (h)		2 - 0	(Dichio, Penrice)

November:
2  v Liverpool (h)		2 - 1	(Sinclair, Ferdinand)
5  v Newcastle (a)		1 - 2	(Dichio)
19 v Leeds (h)			3 - 2	(Ferdinand 2, Gallen)
26 v Blackburn (a)		0 - 4

December:
4  v West Ham (h)		2 - 1	(Ferdinand, Sinclair)
10 v Man United (h)		2 - 3	(Ferdinand 2)
17 v Sheff Wed (a)		2 - 0	(Maddix, Ferdinand)
26 v Crystal Palace (a)		0 - 0
27 v Southampton (h)		2 - 2	(Barker, Gallen)
31 v Arsenal (a)		3 - 1

January:
2  v Chelsea (h)		P - P
7  v Aylesbury (h) FAC R1	4 - 0	(Meaker,Ferdinand,Gallen, A.N. Other) 
14 v Aston Villa (a)
21 v Norwich (h)
24 v Leeds (a)

August:
20 v Man United (a)		0 - 2
24 v Sheff Wed (h)		3 - 2	(Ferdinand, Sinclair, Gallen)
27 v Ipswich (h)		1 - 2	(Ferdinand)
31 v Leicester (a)              1 - 1   (Own Goal)

September:
10 v Coventry City (h)		2 - 2	(Penrice, 2)
17 v Everton (a)		2 - 2	(Ferdinand, 2)
20 v Carlisle (a) CC Cup R2L1	1 - 0	(Ferdinand)
24 v Wimbledon (h)		0 - 1

October:
1  v Notts Forest (a)		2 - 3   (Ferdinand, Allen)
5  v Carlisle (h) CC Cup R2L2	2 - 0	(Allen, Willow pen.)
8  v Tottenham (a)              1 - 1   (Impey)
15 v Man City (h)		1 - 2	(Wilson)
22 v Norwich City (a)		2 - 4	(Barker, Gallen)
25 v Man City (h) CC Cup R3	3 - 4	(Gallen, Sinclair, Penrice)
29 v Aston Villa (h)		2 - 0	(Dichio, Penrice)

November:
2  v Liverpool (h)		2 - 1	(Sinclair, Ferdinand)
5  v Newcastle (a)		1 - 2	(Dichio)
19 v Leeds (h)			3 - 2	(Ferdinand 2, Gallen)
26 v Blackburn (a)		0 - 4

December:
4  v West Ham (h)		2 - 1	(Ferdinand, Sinclair)
10 v Man United (h)		2 - 3	(Ferdinand 2)
17 v Sheff Wed (a)		2 - 0	(Maddix, Ferdinand)
26 v Crystal Palace (a)		0 - 0
27 v Southampton (h)		2 - 2	(Barker, Gallen)
31 v Arsenal (a)		3 - 1	(Gallen, Allen, Impey)

January:
2  v Chelsea (h)		P - P
7  v Aylesbury (h) FAC R1	4 - 0	(Maddix, Meaker, Ferdinand, Gallen) 
14 v Aston Villa (a)
21 v Norwich (h)
24 v Leeds (a)

    
    
    
    
    please could anybody tell me the telephone number of the Q.P.R. box
    office 
    
    thankyou
    
    matt......

QPR do not sell tickets over the phone.  You have to go there in person.

As long as its not one of the big clubs you don't need to buy in advance.

    I believe that Ticketmaster sell QPR home match tickets which means
    that you can buy them in most HMV stores in the Greater London area.
    
    There is also a central line for you to phone but I can't remember the
    number. Their customer services dept will be able to tell you & their
    no. is 0171 413 3595.
    
    Stuart 

Watch out for the massive markup on Ticketmaster purchases.  They sometimes 
charge about 5 quid booking fee.

rom:	VBORMC::"ilathwel@rpms.ac.uk" "Ian Lathwell" 30-JAN-1995 11:56:00.89
To:	qpr@cs.ucl.ac.uk
CC:	S.R.Ball@wolverhampton.ac.uk
Subj:	Saturday's Report

Robust Rangers give the Hammers some steel 

By Ben Findon 

QPR 1 West Ham 0 

QUEENS Park Rangers have never been among nature's more combative creatures
- silk rather than steel tends to be the way
in Shepherd's Bush - but they found new mettle to remove West Ham and
proceed to the FA Cup fifth round for the first time
in five years.

Ray Wilkins is known for his aesthetic values, but the Queens Park Rangers
manager is also aware that there comes a time
when dilettantism must give way to determination.

"Since I have come back here I have felt we had an inferiority complex,"
said Wilkins after Saturday's hard-earned 1-0 victory
at Loftus Road. "It is something I am trying to knock out of the players. We
are good enough to take on anybody but you have
to compete to earn the right to play the type of football you want to play."

The Queens Park Rangers spirit was perhaps best caught by right winger
Trevor Sinclair, who relished his duel with Julian
Dicks. Andrew Impey gave Tim Breacker a torrid time on the opposite flank,
while up front, in the absence of Les Ferdinand,
who has a thigh injury, there was a glimpse of the future in the combination
of Kevin Gallen and Daniele Dichio, who hit the
woodwork late on.

The goal came from Impey after 20 minutes; only his third of the season but
taken with gusto. Picked out by Ian Holloway, he
moved in unmarked to control and drill past Ludek Miklosko.

West Ham, taken aback initially by the home side's approach, improved after
the interval, but midfielder John Moncur failed to
reproduce recent form for watching England coach Terry Venables, while the
ineffective Ian Bishop was replaced by Don
Hutchison midway through the second half.

Queens Park Rangers: Roberts; Bardsley, McDonald, Maddix, Yates; Impey,
Barker, Holloway, Sinclair; Dichio, Gallen.
Subs: Ready, B Allen, Dykstra (g). Goal: Impey (20). Booked: Maddix,
Holloway, Gallen, Impey.

West Ham: Miklosko; Breacker, Martin, Potts, Dicks; M Allen, Bishop
(Hutchison, 69), Moncur, Hughes; Cottee, Boere.
Subs: Rieper, Sealey (g).

Referee: D Elleray (Harrow).

    rumours from the net are saying that Tony Cascarino is coming back to
    the Premiership, either to QPR or Southampton. My money would be on QPR
    cos he was brought up in London....
    
    maybe he can do a job for us as he seems to have re-discovered his
    scoring boots in France....
    
    cue the Cascarino jokes....
    
    Ray....
    
    

From:	VBORMC::"ilathwel@rpms.ac.uk" "Ian Lathwell"  6-FEB-1995 10:13:45.81
To:	qpr@cs.ucl.ac.uk
CC:	
Subj:	Report of Saturday's match

Wasteful Rangers make a meal of weakened Newcastle

By Jasper Rees 

QPR 3 Newcastle 0 

THOSE QPR strikers, they do squander their chances. A depleted Newcastle
side went to Loftus Road and got away with a
3-0 tonking - but it could have been something like 8-0, and then Rangers
would have had a goal for each of the visiting
players who was unavailable.

The key statistic for their player-manager, Ray Wilkins, was "the nought at
the other end". QPR's goals for and against column
at home read 20-18 before this game.

Newcastle barely presented a threat, and not just because Paul Kitson
soldiered on with 'flu. Led by Alan McDonald, Rangers
pushed up and attacked from the back. The home side's, and Les Ferdinand's,
second goal came about when McDonald slid
in and dispossessed Robert Lee on the halfway line and the ball rolled to
Kevin Gallen, whose throughball located his
colleague.

Gallen had also set up Ferdinand for the first goal three minutes earlier,
and the only detraction from the front pair's rousing
display was that they both missed hat-tricks. Ferdinand all but split the
crossbar in two after the interval and Gallen drove two
shots just wide, after heading a superb cross from Andrew Impey down and
over the bar.

Impey, transplanted to the left wing to allow Trevor Sinclair to exploit the
absence of John Beresford, enjoyed skinning Marc
Hottiger, the one first-choice defender in Newcastle colours.

It simply was not Newcastle's day

Twice he roared up the flank as if his shorts were on fire, and you were
thrown back to the sepia-tinted days before tactics,
percentages and wing-backs.

The ground's pock-marked turf is to be dug up in the summer but it presented
no impediment to a side intent on passing. Kevin
Keegan made reference to the unreliable surface, but the fact is that it
simply was not Newcastle's day.

When Simon Barker is allowed to head in from outside the six-yard box, the
only thing to do is wait for the final whistle. At that
point, it was 72 minutes to go and counting.

No matter how rousingly the travelling fans sang - and they sang louder than
Rangers' taciturn lot for most of those 72 minutes -
the self-belief, and the central defence, was absent.

Asked why a side capable of wreaking such havoc were scuffling at the bottom
of the table, Wilkins blamed a "lack of
self-belief . . . when they believe they can play, they're a match for anybody".

QPR: Roberts; Bardsley, Maddix, McDonald, Brevett; Sinclair, Holloway,
Barker, Impey; Ferdinand (Dichio 90), Gallen.
Subs: Dykstra (g), Yates. Goals: Ferdinand (5, 8), Barker (18). Booked:
Barker, Brevett.

Newcastle Utd: Hooper; Hottiger, Watson, Neilson, Elliott; Gillespie,
Bracewell, Lee, Clark; Beardsley, Kitson (Mathie, 50).
Subs: Harper (g), Drysdale. Booked: Elliott.

Referee: K Cooper (Pontypridd).

    We play Millwall on 18 Feb which means that the Blackburn game must be
    re-arranged. I imagine the QPR stewards are looking forward to the
    visit of the Millwall `fans', (the mindless moronic,
    start-a-fight-with-the-nearest-person type of fan anyway)....
    
    my prediction....
    3-0 to the super-hoops, (gallen hat-trick) and Loftus Road is reduced
    to rubble and the culprits get 40 hours community service and a 5 pound
    fine....
    
    Ray....

    
    	Ray, we all know about Millwall's past reputation, but....
    
    	...the way I've heard it ad nauseam on the news today, yesterday's
    	disgraceful display was the product of Chelsea's mindless morons.
    
    	Andy.

    RE: .358
    
>   ... Loftus Road is reduced to rubble and the culprits get 40 hours 
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   community service and a 5 pound fine....
    
    Surely this qualifies as a community service ;-)
    
    Jerry.

Could the Lions win the FA Cup (sponsored by Littlewoods Pools & Jacuzzi 
builders) go all the way this year.  At least they're saving on hotel bills -

Arsenal, Chelsea, QPR.  Palace & Spurs must be worried about the next draw!!

    .360
    
    Jerry, that's Wembley you're thinking of....   B8)
    
    Ray....
    

August:
20 v Man United (a)		0 - 2
24 v Sheff Wed (h)		3 - 2	(Ferdinand, Sinclair, Gallen)
27 v Ipswich (h)		1 - 2	(Ferdinand)
31 v Leicester (a)              1 - 1   (Own Goal)

September:
10 v Coventry City (h)		2 - 2	(Penrice, 2)
17 v Everton (a)		2 - 2	(Ferdinand, 2)
20 v Carlisle (a) CC Cup R2L1	1 - 0	(Ferdinand)
24 v Wimbledon (h)		0 - 1

October:
1  v Notts Forest (a)		2 - 3   (Ferdinand, Allen)
5  v Carlisle (h) CC Cup R2L2	2 - 0	(Allen, Willow pen.)
8  v Tottenham (a)              1 - 1   (Impey)
15 v Man City (h)		1 - 2	(Wilson)
22 v Norwich City (a)		2 - 4	(Barker, Gallen)
25 v Man City (h) CC Cup R3	3 - 4	(Gallen, Sinclair, Penrice)
29 v Aston Villa (h)		2 - 0	(Dichio, Penrice)

November:
2  v Liverpool (h)		2 - 1	(Sinclair, Ferdinand)
5  v Newcastle (a)		1 - 2	(Dichio)
19 v Leeds (h)			3 - 2	(Ferdinand 2, Gallen)
26 v Blackburn (a)		0 - 4

December:
4  v West Ham (h)		2 - 1	(Ferdinand, Sinclair)
10 v Man United (h)		2 - 3	(Ferdinand 2)
17 v Sheff Wed (a)		2 - 0	(Maddix, Ferdinand)
26 v Crystal Palace (a)		0 - 0
27 v Southampton (h)		2 - 2	(Barker, Gallen)
31 v Arsenal (a)		3 - 1	(Gallen, Allen, Impey)

January:
7  v Aylesbury (h) FAC R1	4 - 0	(Maddix, Meaker, Ferdinand, Gallen) 
14 v Aston Villa (a)		1 - 2	(Yates)
24 v Leeds (a)			0 - 4
28 v West Ham (h) FAC4		1 - 0	(Impey)

February:
4  v Newcastle (h)		3 - 0	(Ferdinand 2, Barker)
11 v Liverpool (a)		1 - 1	(Gallen)
18 v Millwall (h) FAC5
22 v West Ham (a)
25 v Notts Forest (h)

    There are worrying reports on the news stating that the same
    pedal-and-crankers who wrecked Lansdowne Road on Wednesday night are
    heading for Loftus Road this Saturday for the QPR-Millwall FA Cup tie.
    There could be some Chelsea `fans' there as well, looking to `pay back'
    Millwall for the last round.
    
    Apparently these dickless wonders belong to `Combat 18', (the 1=A, 8=H,
    i.e. Adolf Hitler), a neo-Nazi group, (what does `neo' mean?). They
    don't just target soccer matches, they also target rugby, boxing
    etc.etc....
    
    The authorities know who these people are. They have shown that they
    don't want to live in a civilised society so I would have no qualms or
    lose any sleep if they were taken out of society permanently....
    
    Ray....(not wishing to sound like a Tory minister with the same
    surname....)

I imagine that half the Met Police will be in Shepherd's Bush tomorrow and will
be looking to 'take out' the morons fairly early on in proceedings. ie before
they get anywhere near the ground.

I would think the police will have identified the thugs from the Chelsea/Irish
matches and will put them in the cooler as soon as their spotted.

Picked up from the QPR mailing list...

To:	QPR@cs.ucl.ac.uk
CC:	
Subj:	Warning! QPR vs Millwall.

If you are of a nervous disposition or have a heart complaint, be wary of
tomorrow's game.

As some of you might know there have been rumours about chelsea fans
turning up to tomorrows game intent on causing trouble.

I was in the pub last night in Hammersmith and got talking to the
publican, and he said that the police had been round warning of potential
violence on Saturday. Apparently both the Millwall BNP branch AND the
Chelsea associated Combat 18 are known to be planning to attend our
fixture intent on continuing last week's and wednesday's violence both
inside and outside the ground.

Tickets for Ellerslie Road are being bought up in large numbers by fans
of 'unknown' affiliation, and it doesn't take a genius to guess who they
might be. I'm glad I won't be sitting in Ellerslie Road.

I am expecting violence before, during, and after the game, judging from
what I have heard from various sources. I think the police horses will
make an appearance on the pitch and the game will be abandoned.

It is a sad reflection on society that this should be threatened, and on
football that for some reason thugs are associated with the game. Of
course it won't reflect too well on QPR if it does happen. Much as
I am more than a little worried about going, I will not have my moves
dictated to me by mindless morons and will be going.

I don't think I'll wear my QPR shirt though :)

I just hope that due to events in Dublin, and the fact that the
authorities are forewarned, the police presence in and around Loftus Rd
is enourmous and scuffles can be quickly stomped out.

So, be careful out there if you're going. Hopefully my predictions of
doom and armageddon will not materialise.

    
    	So was there any trouble then Ray ? I heard a thing on the news on
    Saturday morning about the number of polis being increased by 50% at the
    last minute.
    
    Malc.
    

    Malc....sorry for the late reply, I've been away gallavanting for the
    last few days....
    
    there was no trouble at the match. QPR even sent a letter to the
    Millwall chairman to congratulate them on their fans behaviour!!!!....
    
    nice easy route to the semi-finals as well....what a weekend!!!!
    
    Ray....

    rumours from the net....
    
    Sir Les could be on his way as soon as QPR gets Bob Taylor(????) from
    ?? (WBA?)....
    
    I'll believe it when I see it....
    
    Ray....

    Notts Forest snatched a fortunate point at Fortress Loftus Road
    yesterday....Steve Stone's goal was the first conceded by Rangers at
    Loftus Road in 1995....we still have 2 games in hand over most of the
    others in the bottom half of the table, which should see us clear of
    trouble....
    
    Ray....

	....although with a performance like that on Sunday I can't see
	the boys getting that many points, if any. I think Wilkins must
	be getting senile, putting Ready on the bench, and then actually
	playing him ! Star of the team for me was Impey. (I don't believe
	I actually said that!), Sir Les was disappointing, and Yates seemed
	to have a terrible game. If Gerry Francis had been at the helm, I
	think we might have won the game comfortably.

		p1

    when you think of the QPR midfield, the word `light-weight' comes to
    mind....or was it `crap'?...
    
    We need a SteveMcMahon-type player to give us that bit of much needed
    steel in the centre....
    
    just MHO....
    
    Ray....

August:
20 v Man United (a)		0 - 2
24 v Sheff Wed (h)		3 - 2	(Ferdinand, Sinclair, Gallen)
27 v Ipswich (h)		1 - 2	(Ferdinand)
31 v Leicester (a)              1 - 1   (Own Goal)

September:
10 v Coventry City (h)		2 - 2	(Penrice, 2)
17 v Everton (a)		2 - 2	(Ferdinand, 2)
20 v Carlisle (a) CC Cup R2L1	1 - 0	(Ferdinand)
24 v Wimbledon (h)		0 - 1

October:
1  v Notts Forest (a)		2 - 3   (Ferdinand, Allen)
5  v Carlisle (h) CC Cup R2L2	2 - 0	(Allen, Willow pen.)
8  v Tottenham (a)              1 - 1   (Impey)
15 v Man City (h)		1 - 2	(Wilson)
22 v Norwich City (a)		2 - 4	(Barker, Gallen)
25 v Man City (h) CC Cup R3	3 - 4	(Gallen, Sinclair, Penrice)
29 v Aston Villa (h)		2 - 0	(Dichio, Penrice)

November:
2  v Liverpool (h)		2 - 1	(Sinclair, Ferdinand)
5  v Newcastle (a)		1 - 2	(Dichio)
19 v Leeds (h)			3 - 2	(Ferdinand 2, Gallen)
26 v Blackburn (a)		0 - 4

December:
4  v West Ham (h)		2 - 1	(Ferdinand, Sinclair)
10 v Man United (h)		2 - 3	(Ferdinand 2)
17 v Sheff Wed (a)		2 - 0	(Maddix, Ferdinand)
26 v Crystal Palace (a)		0 - 0
27 v Southampton (h)		2 - 2	(Barker, Gallen)
31 v Arsenal (a)		3 - 1	(Gallen, Allen, Impey)

January:
7  v Aylesbury (h) FAC R1	4 - 0	(Maddix, Meaker, Ferdinand, Gallen) 
14 v Aston Villa (a)		1 - 2	(Yates)
24 v Leeds (a)			0 - 4
28 v West Ham (h) FAC4		1 - 0	(Impey)

February:
4  v Newcastle (h)		3 - 0	(Ferdinand 2, Barker)
11 v Liverpool (a)		1 - 1	(Gallen)
18 v Millwall (h) FAC5		1 - 0	(Wilson)
25 v Notts Forest (h)		1 - 1	(Barker)

March:
4  v Wimbledon (a)		3 - 1	(Ferdinand 2, Holloway)
8  v Leicester (h)

    next weekend.... 6th round of the cup....ManU -v- QPR, ManU cocky as
    hell after a facile 9-0 win against future Endsleigh League outfit
    Ipswich and QPR brimming with confidence after a superb 3-1 away win
    against the Wombles....I'm looking forward to a cracking tie, with QPR
    eventually gaining the upper hand, possibly after a replay, with Sir
    Les scoring a hatful and doubling his transfer value to a staggering 10
    million pounds!!!!

    Ray....

    (I've a feeling that there will be quite a few QPR fans out there this
    weekend....)
    

    just the small matter of brushing aside Leicester tonight before we do
    battle against the 12 men (+2 linesmen) of ManU this Saturday....
    
    onwards and upwards....
    
    Ray....

	Yeah, more important than any team news, I wonder who the 
	referee will be for the weekend match !?

    
    	I believe his name is Mr P. Ince of Salford.
    

    
    Surely it will be Mr B. Iased, he normally referee's the United games
    doesn't he ;-)
    
    Or maybe it will be the Chinese ref, Won Sided ?
    
    
    	Steve
    

    
    	...or that well-known Bulgarian that referees so many of United's
    	games...
    
    
    	Mr Sendimov
    
    	Andy.

    
    
     	I believe his name is Mr P. Ince of Salford.
                              ^^^^^^^^^^
    
        Nothing at all to do with anything, but I'd just like to mention,
        that on my SEGA FIFA 95 games cartridge, the No.9 for Scotland is
        a certain P.Ness.
    
        
    

    This is starting to sound like the Crystal Palace note.
    
    Come to think of it, at least they wait until *after* the game to do
    their whinging.
    
    Dom

    .381
    
    Dom,
    
    always get your retaliation in first, that's what I say. If QPR p!$$
    and moan enough then the ref might take notice, after all, it works for
    ManU....
    
    Ray....     9*)

Do ManU p!$$ at the ref?  Cripes!  Ban the lot of 'em.

<<< Note 58.381 by VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTR "Oh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!" >>>
                   -< Come on, think of the gate receipts! >-

>    This is starting to sound like the Crystal Palace note.
    
>    Come to think of it, at least they wait until *after* the game to do
>    their whinging.
    
    Dom,

    Please would you expand on your statements??

    Thanks,

    Stuart

    
    >Please would you expand on your statements??
    
    Stuart,
     
    Certainly - just take a butcher's at the average match report in note
    44. Crystal Palace...the only team in the universe that can lose 6-0 and
    *still* deserve to win ;-) 
    
    Actually, I think the Chris Armstrong affair has been blown way out of
    proportion, but I'm sure that if he played for Man.
    Utd/Arsenal/Liverpool/Tottenham, you'd probably be advocating a  firing
    squad (and no last cigarette!)
    
    Now tell me I'm wrong!
    
    Dom

Dom,

I feel that most of Paul Pateman's match are generally fair. Me, well I often
have the odd glass of Dubonnet before a match and therefore, my reports
might be a little confused. This coupled with my pi$$-taking , should not
lead you to damn the whole topic. You might also consider re-reading some
of my entries where I have said that Palace have played crap ( and implied
that they deserve nothing from the game). I will concede , however, that I 
have been less than complimentary about the standard of refereeing , but I am
by no means alone in this area.

Have fun,

Stuart

BTW I predict that if tonight, Scousepool play like they have been of late, and 
    Palace retain their "rich vein of form", then a stuffing for the universally
    loved ones from South London, looks very much on the cards.

    Stuart,
    
    Don't take it to heart. To put it in the words of that character in the
    Billy Bunter books "your tinted-spectacleness is far inferior to that
    of the esteemed Cunno" ;-). Actually, I always think the Norwich City
    topic deserves the award for the most objective reports. No problems
    anyway.
    
    Now, while we're still in the QPR note (!), can you tell me if
    tonight's match between Palace and Liverpool is a league game? 
    
    Dom

Dom,

It wasn't taken to heart at all ( at all ). The Palace - Scousepool game
tonight is the second leg of the semi-final of the Coca-Cola cup ( the
cup formerly known at the "Rambles"). Scousepool won the first leg
1-0.

Stuart

    what happened with TRUCKS::? I haven't been able to get in since
    Wednesday...
    
    anyway, back to the good news....QPR are surging clear of the
    relegation quagmire, and if they do well with their games in hand they
    should move up to about 9th or 10th place!!!!
    
    now the bad news....there are serious doubts about Sir Les Ferdinand
    for Sunday's Clash of the Titans. He reckons that he's 80-90% fit....
    I'd play him if he has half-dead!!!!
    
    Ray....
                                         

    more cases of what if....if Ferdinand had looked intersted for more
    than 5 minutes each half, if Bardsley knew how to tackle, if McDonald had 
    taken his chance, if, if, if....
    
    in the end, United just had more class than QPR. Irwin never gave Impey
    an inch on the wing and the other full-back (?) looked good after a
    nervous start....
    
    as for QPR, the midfield got stuck into Ince from the start and he
    didn't seem to like the attention that he got. The forwards proved
    ineffective against an excellent Pallister and a leaden-footed Bruce,
    the defence, (apart from Bardsley's laughable attempt at tackling
    Sharpe for the 1st goal), was excellent....
    
    Ray....

    ah well back to normality, against Norwich on Wednesday. On current
    form we should hammer them....
    
    ps....could some kind soul post the result of today's Champion Hurdle
    at Cheltenham?...my heart, soul, mortgage, car and kitchen sink is on
    Danoli at 4/1.....
    
    Ray....

	1. Alderbrook (11/2)
	2. Large Action (4/1jf)
	3. Danoli (4/1jf)

    Oh dear Ray... hope that was an each way bet... :->
    
    Maybe they could sign Danoli to play alongside Ferdinand?? 
    
    Rick.

    
    >Maybe they could sign Danoli to play alongside Ferdinand??
    
    	Maybe they could sign him to replace Ferdinand ? And if they did
    would anybody notice ?
    
    Malc$I_think_Id_better_put_lots_of_smileys_on_this_one.
    

Please take all this discussion of quadrupeds to topic 46.


Stuart

    ah well, it's only money..(sniff)
    
    Barton Bank will get it all back for me and more in Thursdays' Gold Cup, a
    snip at 8/1....
    
    Ray....

    
    At least it's not Barings Bank at 960,000,000/1 against ;-)
    
    	Steve
    

    yahoo!! 2-0 v Norwich and we're up to 11th place!!, with 2 games in
    hand over the 2 teams directly above us....
    
    I'll presume that we're now safe from relegation and that Les Fersinand
    will now be sold to Arsenal, (or swapped for Ian Wright)....
    
    Ray....

    
   > I'll presume that we're now safe from relegation and that Les Fersinand
   > will now be sold to Arsenal, (or swapped for Ian Wright)....
    
   > Ray....
    
    
    Sounds like a fair enough deal. You can have Carter, Hillier, and
    McGoldrick in exchange for Sinclair. I'll be along to pick up me
    bung later.
    
    La dee da Gunner Graham.
    
    

    
    No...QPR weren't robbed they gave it on a plate to Everton.....
    
    Goal of the weekend to Hinchcliffe....but apparently (according to the
    David Mellor programme on Saturday evening) an amusing incident
    happened before the freekick with Amokachi....???? Anybody there to
    comment ???
    
    Dezzz

    
    Rangers 2 Everton 3!
    
    QPR were robbed,Penrice could have sealed victory in the last few
    minutes but missed from 5 yards! Everton booted it up field as usual
    got a free kick and Hinchcliffe scored a beauty from about 30
    yards.Roberts gets beaten by another freekick,defenders were gutted..
    Wilkins plays probably for Barker on Wednesday against Chelsea.
    
    Aron... 
    

Bizarre - the reply before the original note - astounding, amazing, incredible

... confused

    
    LATEST....
    
    What the hell is going on,I have just heard on the radio that Sir Les
    is not in the England squad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    What is Tel doing,doesn't he want his strongest team or what!!You can't
    leave him out,Les and Shearer together will score loads of goals!
    
    Sort your life out Venners!!!
    
    
    
    
    Matt...
     
    

    In my humble opinion he deserves to be dropped for his
    couldn't-be-bothered attitude against ManU....Venables doesn't want
    players who give 5 minutes of effort in each half....Butch should give
    him a stiff kick up the ar$e or off-load him to Arsenal for an obscene
    amount of dosh....
    
    Ray....(have I just commited sacrilege???)....

    
    Ferdinand didn't give 100% at Utd but as the rumours go he was only 75%
    fit at most (shoulder injury).But I agree he could put himself about a
    bit more in the games I have seen but QPR rely on him way too much and
    need a creator in midfield to make more use of Gallen rather than
    aiming for Ferdies head all the time.Impey is a good player but
    Sinclair could be great he has the pace but seems to lose control of
    the ball all the time and falls over rather than getting that killer pass
    in...
    
    
    Aron...
    

    
    
    
     ref.406{shalloma}
    
    what do you know, your a man u supporter......
    
    
    matt......

Le Tiss is what?  Hallo?  Earth calling....

    Well another win last night against Chelsea (1-0), moves us upto 9th. 
    And their I was thinking a month or so ago, we were destined for the
    1st division.  Now if only we can get a good keeper.
    
    W

        
    
    On the radio this morning {capital} that the r's hav'nt beaten the scum
    for five years, I would be very greatful if anyone could tel me if it
    is true or not.
    
    thanks.......... 
     
    matt................

    QPR 1  CHELSEA 0
    Gallen
    
    Good performance from QPR,they didn't miss Ferdie at all,Dichio won
    everything in the air,Impey good as usual,Sinclair falling all over the
    place but had an excellent shot saved by Hithcock.Gallen could have
    scored about 5 if his shots has been between the posts,Qpr hit the
    post twice and Chelsea once.Chelsea were very poor and only had one
    other decent shot on target in the dying seconds and Roberts made an 
    exceptional save !!! (As Wilkins would say!)
    
    
      Aron...

August:
20 v Man United (a)		0 - 2
24 v Sheff Wed (h)		3 - 2	(Ferdinand, Sinclair, Gallen)
27 v Ipswich (h)		1 - 2	(Ferdinand)
31 v Leicester (a)              1 - 1   (Own Goal)

September:
10 v Coventry City (h)		2 - 2	(Penrice, 2)
17 v Everton (a)		2 - 2	(Ferdinand, 2)
20 v Carlisle (a) CC Cup R2L1	1 - 0	(Ferdinand)
24 v Wimbledon (h)		0 - 1

October:
1  v Notts Forest (a)		2 - 3   (Ferdinand, Allen)
5  v Carlisle (h) CC Cup R2L2	2 - 0	(Allen, Willow pen.)
8  v Tottenham (a)              1 - 1   (Impey)
15 v Man City (h)		1 - 2	(Wilson)
22 v Norwich City (a)		2 - 4	(Barker, Gallen)
25 v Man City (h) CC Cup R3	3 - 4	(Gallen, Sinclair, Penrice)
29 v Aston Villa (h)		2 - 0	(Dichio, Penrice)

November:
2  v Liverpool (h)		2 - 1	(Sinclair, Ferdinand)
5  v Newcastle (a)		1 - 2	(Dichio)
19 v Leeds (h)			3 - 2	(Ferdinand 2, Gallen)
26 v Blackburn (a)		0 - 4

December:
4  v West Ham (h)		2 - 1	(Ferdinand, Sinclair)
10 v Man United (h)		2 - 3	(Ferdinand 2)
17 v Sheff Wed (a)		2 - 0	(Maddix, Ferdinand)
26 v Crystal Palace (a)		0 - 0
27 v Southampton (h)		2 - 2	(Barker, Gallen)
31 v Arsenal (a)		3 - 1	(Gallen, Allen, Impey)

January:
7  v Aylesbury (h) FAC R1	4 - 0	(Maddix, Meaker, Ferdinand, Gallen) 
14 v Aston Villa (a)		1 - 2	(Yates)
24 v Leeds (a)			0 - 4
28 v West Ham (h) FAC4		1 - 0	(Impey)

February:
4  v Newcastle (h)		3 - 0	(Ferdinand 2, Barker)
11 v Liverpool (a)		1 - 1	(Gallen)
18 v Millwall (h) FAC5		1 - 0	(Wilson)
25 v Notts Forest (h)		1 - 1	(Barker)

March:
4  v Wimbledon (a)		3 - 1	(Ferdinand 2, Holloway)
8  v Leicester (h)		2 - 0	(McDonald, Wilson)
11 v Man Utd (a) FAC6		0 - 2
15 v Norwich (h)		2 - 0
18 v Everton (h)		2 - 3	(Ferdinand, Gallen)
22 v Chelsea (h)		1 - 0	(Gallen)

April:
1  v Coventry City  (a)
4  v Blackburn      (h)  7:45pm ** Re-arranged from Feb 18th **
8  v Arsenal        (h)
11 v Ipswich        (a)  7:45pm ** Re-arranged from Mar 11th **
15 v Southampton    (a)
17 v Crystal Palace (h)
29 v Chelsea        (a)

May:
3  v West Ham       (h)  7:45pm ** Re-arranged from Feb 22nd **
6  v Tottenham      (h)
13 v Man City       (a)
                                                              

	Ray,

	The two goals against Norwich were scored by Ferdinand & Gallen.

    Re. 410 
    
    Matt, 
    
    I didn't realise that Chelsea were commonly referred to as 'the scum'.
    I think you should review your loyalties as you appear to have
    excellent qualifications to join us.
    
    Andy                                       

    Apparently FourFourTwo magazine has an article with the 100 greatest
    players of all time in it. I'm told that Teddy Sheringham is at No. 78
    so it must a load of crap, but, for arguments sake, can anybody print
    the Top 10 or so from this article?...If there's no Tony Grealish in
    the Top10 then there's no justice in this world....
    
    Ray....
                                                                       
    for the sake of argument here's my top 5....
    
    1. George Best
    1.=Pele
    3.=Maradona
    3.=Cruyff
    5. Beckenbauer
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    394,785. Me
    
    
    

    
    Re.414
    
    andy
      
    What do you mean reveiw my loyalties and join who.....?
    
    
    matt........{ A Q.P.R. supporter}

    
    Stupid,
    
    just cause you work with Andy doesn't mean you can call us scum.
    
    Loz.
    
    
    

    Loz,
    
    Erm...I don't work with this chap.
    
    By the way have heard the joke about the Englishman, Scotsman and the
    QPR supporter. They were all granted a wish as they went down a slide
    into the swimming pool - 'just shout out what you want to dive into'
    the Genie said. The Englishman shouted 'Lager' as he slid down the
    slope and sure enough he landed in a pool of the golden liquid. The
    Scotsman shouted 'Whisky' as he slid his way to happiness. The QPR
    fan, however, was having such good fun as he slid down the slide he
    shouted "Wweeeeeeeeeeeeeeee".
    
    "One or two bad apples spoil their otherwise spotless image"
    
    

    
    I meant Andy B.
    
    No offence to you (or Andy B) intended.
    
    Loz.  

If we keep this form up we should end up as the top team in London....
    
    Ray....
    
August:
20 v Man United (a)		0 - 2
24 v Sheff Wed (h)		3 - 2	(Ferdinand, Sinclair, Gallen)
27 v Ipswich (h)		1 - 2	(Ferdinand)
31 v Leicester (a)              1 - 1   (Own Goal)

September:
10 v Coventry City (h)		2 - 2	(Penrice, 2)
17 v Everton (a)		2 - 2	(Ferdinand, 2)
20 v Carlisle (a) CC Cup R2L1	1 - 0	(Ferdinand)
24 v Wimbledon (h)		0 - 1

October:
1  v Notts Forest (a)		2 - 3   (Ferdinand, Allen)
5  v Carlisle (h) CC Cup R2L2	2 - 0	(Allen, Willow pen.)
8  v Tottenham (a)              1 - 1   (Impey)
15 v Man City (h)		1 - 2	(Wilson)
22 v Norwich City (a)		2 - 4	(Barker, Gallen)
25 v Man City (h) CC Cup R3	3 - 4	(Gallen, Sinclair, Penrice)
29 v Aston Villa (h)		2 - 0	(Dichio, Penrice)

November:
2  v Liverpool (h)		2 - 1	(Sinclair, Ferdinand)
5  v Newcastle (a)		1 - 2	(Dichio)
19 v Leeds (h)			3 - 2	(Ferdinand 2, Gallen)
26 v Blackburn (a)		0 - 4

December:
4  v West Ham (h)		2 - 1	(Ferdinand, Sinclair)
10 v Man United (h)		2 - 3	(Ferdinand 2)
17 v Sheff Wed (a)		2 - 0	(Maddix, Ferdinand)
26 v Crystal Palace (a)		0 - 0
27 v Southampton (h)		2 - 2	(Barker, Gallen)
31 v Arsenal (a)		3 - 1	(Gallen, Allen, Impey)

January:
7  v Aylesbury (h) FAC R1	4 - 0	(Maddix, Meaker, Ferdinand, Gallen) 
14 v Aston Villa (a)		1 - 2	(Yates)
24 v Leeds (a)			0 - 4
28 v West Ham (h) FAC4		1 - 0	(Impey)

February:
4  v Newcastle (h)		3 - 0	(Ferdinand 2, Barker)
11 v Liverpool (a)		1 - 1	(Gallen)
18 v Millwall (h) FAC5		1 - 0	(Wilson)
25 v Notts Forest (h)		1 - 1	(Barker)

March:
4  v Wimbledon (a)		3 - 1	(Ferdinand 2, Holloway)
8  v Leicester (h)		2 - 0	(McDonald, Wilson)
11 v Man Utd (a) FAC6		0 - 2
15 v Norwich (h)		2 - 0	(Ferdinand. Gallen)
18 v Everton (h)		2 - 3	(Ferdinand, Gallen)
22 v Chelsea (h)		1 - 0	(Gallen)

April:
1  v Coventry City  (a)		1 - 0	(Sinclair)
4  v Blackburn      (h)  7:45pm ** Re-arranged from Feb 18th **
8  v Arsenal        (h)
11 v Ipswich        (a)  7:45pm ** Re-arranged from Mar 11th **
15 v Southampton    (a)
17 v Crystal Palace (h)
29 v Chelsea        (a)

May:
3  v West Ham       (h)  7:45pm ** Re-arranged from Feb 22nd **
6  v Tottenham      (h)
13 v Man City       (a)
           

    tough loss to B'burn last night, but if Utd. win the cup and we can
    overtake Wimbledon and Spurs and get 6th place we could qualify for
    Europe still....
    
    hang on, back in a minute, there is a flock of pigs hovering just
    outside the window....
    
    Ray....

    >>Blackburn 3 man Team!!!Play crap Football TOO!
    
    Hmmm, why thank you for that considered response.
    
    Shearer, Sutton, Flowers, Sherwood, Le Saux, Hendry, Berg - hmmm. I
    make that more than 3.

    
    Went to the game yesterday and Berg,Le Saux etc were crap last night.
    Shearer,Flowers and Sutton are very good the rest average!!!!!!!
    Qpr outplayed them and only due to a mistake by Mcdonald,Sutton scored
    from the only chance Blackburn created in 90 mins...... 
    
    
    
    Aron..

    QPR 3 - 1 Arsenal
    
    Great performance, on our way to Europe....
    
    3 more points should be forthcoming tomorrow night against the mighty
    Ipswich....
    
    Ray....

     
    QPR 3   Arsenal 1
    Impey   Adams
    Gallen
    Reddy
    
    Qpr were excellent and are playing some very good football at present.
    I hope Ferdie doesn't go at the end of the season as I can see them doing
    very well next season and a trophy isn't out of the question with the 
    current squad....
    Arsenal were bad and didn't want to know apart from Merson,Adams &
    Wright.If they don't pull their fingers out they will get relagted.!
    
    
    Aron...

> re: Note 58.426 by IRNBRU::HOWARD "Lovely day for a Guinness"
>    
>    3 more points should be forthcoming tomorrow night against the mighty
>    Ipswich....

	Let's not count our chickens, Ray....

	Remember, Ipswich beat us at Loftus Road at the start of the season.

    3 points last night move us up to 8th place, Sir Les scored his 2?th
    goal of the season and we're now hot on Spurs heels....
    
    Best Team in London....
    We're the Best Team in London....
    Best Team in Looonnnndooonnn....
    
    
    Ray....

     
   
   > Arsenal were bad and didn't want to know apart from Merson,Adams &
   > Wright.If they don't pull their fingers out they will get relagted.!
   
    I doubt whether Tony Adams has any feeling in his fingers what with 
    his arms being in a constant offside vertical against Sampdoria. 
    He must be one of these neo nancys if you ask me.
    
    barry.

    3 defeats in a row....
    
    Ah well, our season's over, it has been over since we secured our
    position in the Premiership....that seems to be the way with clubs like
    QPR nowadays, their only ambitions appear to be to maintain their
    position in the top division while the top 5 or 6 clubs buy up their best
    players....
    
    thee's always next season, I suppose....
    
    Ray....

    YES, it's that time of year again, time to trot out your teams annual
    awards for best/worst players....here's my nominees for QPR's
    best/worst whatever....
    
From:	IRNBRU::HOWARD        2-MAY-1995 08:56:20.63
To:	VBORMC::"ilathwel@rpms.ac.uk"
CC:	HOWARD
Subj:	RE: It's that time of year ...

1. Player of the year .....Gallen

2. Young player of the year .....Gallen

3. Worst player of the year .....Roberts

4. Best QPR moment this year ......Cup 1/4 final

5. Worst QPR moment this year ......losing 1/4 final to big-headed paranoid
moaning faced gits....

6. Best footy moment (non QPR) this year .....Razor Houghton scoring Irelands
winner against Italy in WC94

7. Worst footy moment (non QPR) this year .....Kwai Chang Cantona's moment of
madness

8. Team you'd most like to beat next season .....ManU

9. Player you'd most like us to sign over the summer .....Niall Quinn

10. Player you'd most like to send on a free to Swindon .....Roberts

    

    
>9. Player you'd most like us to sign over the summer .....Niall Quinn
           ^^^^^
    
    Ray, I take it that the "you'd" in the above sentence refers to Man.
    City supporters?!
    
    Seriously, I can only imagine that Ferdinand must be on the move,
    because I can't envisage Q.P.R. relegating either Ferdinand or Gallen
    to the subs' bench and wheeling on Quinn instead...
    
    Dom

    Dom,
    
    I'm hoping that someone takes Ferdinand off our hands while we can
    still get a bundle of money for him....I seriously think that he'll go
    abroad this summer. I can't see the likes of Ferguson or Dalglish
    accepting his `5minutes of effort per match' average....I think
    Ferdinand would be best suited by French football where skill is more
    important that work rate....
    
    Gallen would make a perfect foil for Quinns' patented knock-down into
    the path of the oncoming midfielder-forward, a-la-Jack Charlton....
    
    Ray....

    Hammers 0 - 0 QPR....
    
    sounds exciting....(yawn)....
    
    Ray....

re -1

Not quite...

Did I hear correctly that there were 10 or 11 bookings at the game,
together with 2 sendings off.

Surely a record of sorts - something to tell the grandchildren about?

                         James.

    Papers are saying that Gazza could be on his way to West London....
    
    Ray Wilkins is `interested' apparently....
    
    Ray....

    
    
     Papers (well, the SUN) are saying that Gazza could be on his way to
    Glasgow. Rangers have spoken to Dino Zoff and the Lazio vice-president,
    5 million quid has been mentioned.
    
     I can just see the slim man out on the bevvy on his first night in
    Glasgow....NOT!!!!!                    
    
    Danny.

    Well, the Italian "Gazetta dello Sport" (probably no more reliable than
    the Sun) have now linked him with Everton, Tottenham, QPR, Coventry,
    Blackburn, Glasgow Rangers and Newcastle...in no particular order.
    
    Just to add some extra spice, several Lazio fan clubs have promised
    large scale demonstrations if he is allowed to leave the club (which
    seems pretty certain, given that he's expressed a wish to do so).
    Troubled times for Dino Zoff.
    
    Dom

    
    	re .436
    
    	Martin Allen of WHU was expelled. There were about 6 other
    	bookings, 3 each I think.
    	
    	Andy.

re .436,.440
 
	There were 10 bookings in the West Ham match, 3 for
	West ham players (Martin Allen received 2 yellow cards)
	and seven for QPR players. R5 said that it wasn't that
	kind of game.

	Phil.

    
    	Corrected I stand....
    
    	Andy.

    well, a win is a win is a win, but when it's over Tottenham it's a
    triumphant glorious victory!!!!
    
    it looks like we'll finish eigth in the Premiership. When you look at
    our position before Christmas you can see how well we've done
    since....
    
    if we can keep the team together with 1 or 2 biggish signings then we
    might do even better next season....
    
    
    oh and by the way....COME ON BLACKBURN....(my 2nd fave team of the
    moment)....
    
    Ray....
               

    Any comments on this?...I have to agree about the QPR goalkeeper(sic)
    Roberts....
    
From:	VBORMC::"SPENCRG@stoyuk.mhs.compuserve.com" "Richard Spence" 11-MAY-1995 11:53:26.96
To:	qpr <qpr@cs.ucl.ac.uk>
CC:	
Subj:	Premiership Donkeys of the Season

Got this from a mate on the West Ham mailing list ..... .

Richard Spence

==========


Subject: Premiership Donkeys of the Season

So, onto the donkeys:

GOALKEEPERS:

MARK CROSSLEY of Forest has improved over the last couple of years but can
still make astonishing misjudgements. However, just pipping him is QPR's
TONY ROBERTS who is unbelievably second choice for Wales (they must be hard
up). Man City's ANDY DIBBLE also looks to have less than the safest hands.

FULL BACKS:

Most of these were out of position when I saw them but they still played
full back, so they count. PHIL WHELAN (now at Middlesbrough) played for
Ipswich and was atrocious - he had no idea what was going on and wingers
sped past him as he had no speed. Leicester's LEE PHILPOTT is supposed to be
a winger and when he played left back, it showed - appalling positioning was
the order of the day. Southampton's FRANCIS BENALI was once described as the
worst player in the Premiership on RSS and I saw nothing to change my
opinion - constantly out of position and one of the dirtiest players I've
ever seen (has more bookings than any other player this season). Finally,
the BRIGHTWELL who played against Palace for Man City on April Fool's Day -
he appeared to play in every position on the pitch bar fullback. A bit short
on right backs so Man Utd's DAVID MAY comes into the reckoning.

CENTRE BACKS:

Plenty to choose from here ranging from being very slow to being completely
unable to judge a header. The first tow have something in common though;
they both have ridiculously long hair and are also both utter crap. DARREN
PEACOCK at Newcastle is usually outpaced by any half decent forward while
ANDY PEARCE probably rates as the worst centre half I've ever seen - I've
seen 4 Sheff Wed games this season and he's looked as bad in every one.
Coventry's central defenders looked dodgy in all their games this season but
they kept changing so I can't pin it down to one. Finally, MICHEL VONK of
Man City who spends entire games misjudging high balls and miskicking balls
out of defence - how he has got into Man City's side ahead of Kernaghan is
beyond me.

MIDFIELD:

Palace's JOHN SALAKO has rarely beaten a man this season and in common with
the rest of the team has an appalling goal ratio for a winger. Villa's IAN
TAYLOR gets in here because he couldn't hit a barn door - I've seen him miss
so may chances with both Villa and Sheffield Wednesday this season.
Blackburn's STUART RIPLEY looks like a highly ineffective player and again
has an appalling goal return for a winger (None at all!). Sheffield
Wednesday's RYAN JONES was absolutely atrocious and seemed to have no idea
at all when I saw him. Finally, West Ham's IAN BISHOP looks well short of
this class.

FORWARDS:

Up front, they fall into two categories - complete donkeys and good players
who have some sort of a problem. The first of these includes PAUL DICKOV of
Arsenal who in addition to his dreadful finishing even managed to produce
the worst penalty miss of the season. Chelsea's PAUL FURLONG looks like a
dreadful purchase while 1m for ADRIAN PAZ at Ipswich shows that someone down
there needs their head examining.
The second group contains CHRIS ARMSTRONG and DEAN HOLDSWORTH who both look
promising but have both failed to deliver this season. In Armstrong's case
his attitude is surely to blame and with a lot of transfer rumours
involving Holdsworth at the beginning of the season, it may be the same
problem for him.

So, the Donkey team of the Premiership is:

                             ROBERTS (QPR)

MAY (Man Utd)          PEARCE (Sheff Wed)  VONK (Man City)   BENALI (Soton)


JONES (Sheff Wed)      BISHOP (West Ham)   TAYLOR (A Villa)  SALAKO (Palace)


                       DICKOV (Arsenal)    PAZ (Ipswich)





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Any comments ?

Simon
sdavis@uk.mdis.com
               

	I'd hazard a guess that someone who nominated Francis Benali
	for worst left back of the season hasn't seen Simon Charlton.

	Tony

    Man Sh, sorry Man City 2 - 3 QPR
    
    QPR finish 8th in league....
    
    Ray ....

August:
20 v Man United (a)		0 - 2
24 v Sheff Wed (h)		3 - 2	(Ferdinand, Sinclair, Gallen)
27 v Ipswich (h)		1 - 2	(Ferdinand)
31 v Leicester (a)              1 - 1   (Own Goal)

September:
10 v Coventry City (h)		2 - 2	(Penrice, 2)
17 v Everton (a)		2 - 2	(Ferdinand, 2)
20 v Carlisle (a) CC Cup R2L1	1 - 0	(Ferdinand)
24 v Wimbledon (h)		0 - 1

October:
1  v Notts Forest (a)		2 - 3   (Ferdinand, Allen)
5  v Carlisle (h) CC Cup R2L2	2 - 0	(Allen, Willow pen.)
8  v Tottenham (a)              1 - 1   (Impey)
15 v Man City (h)		1 - 2	(Wilson)
22 v Norwich City (a)		2 - 4	(Barker, Gallen)
25 v Man City (h) CC Cup R3	3 - 4	(Gallen, Sinclair, Penrice)
29 v Aston Villa (h)		2 - 0	(Dichio, Penrice)

November:
2  v Liverpool (h)		2 - 1	(Sinclair, Ferdinand)
5  v Newcastle (a)		1 - 2	(Dichio)
19 v Leeds (h)			3 - 2	(Ferdinand 2, Gallen)
26 v Blackburn (a)		0 - 4

December:
4  v West Ham (h)		2 - 1	(Ferdinand, Sinclair)
10 v Man United (h)		2 - 3	(Ferdinand 2)
17 v Sheff Wed (a)		2 - 0	(Maddix, Ferdinand)
26 v Crystal Palace (a)		0 - 0
27 v Southampton (h)		2 - 2	(Barker, Gallen)
31 v Arsenal (a)		3 - 1	(Gallen, Allen, Impey)

January:
7  v Aylesbury (h) FAC R1	4 - 0	(Maddix, Meaker, Ferdinand, Gallen) 
14 v Aston Villa (a)		1 - 2	(Yates)
24 v Leeds (a)			0 - 4
28 v West Ham (h) FAC4		1 - 0	(Impey)

February:
4  v Newcastle (h)		3 - 0	(Ferdinand 2, Barker)
11 v Liverpool (a)		1 - 1	(Gallen)
18 v Millwall (h) FAC5		1 - 0	(Wilson)
25 v Notts Forest (h)		1 - 1	(Barker)

March:
4  v Wimbledon (a)		3 - 1	(Ferdinand 2, Holloway)
8  v Leicester (h)		2 - 0	(McDonald, Wilson)
11 v Man Utd (a) FAC6		0 - 2
15 v Norwich (h)		2 - 0	(Ferdinand. Gallen)
18 v Everton (h)		2 - 3	(Ferdinand, Gallen)
22 v Chelsea (h)		1 - 0	(Gallen)

April:
1  v Coventry City  (a)		1 - 0	(Sinclair)
4  v Blackburn      (h)		0 - 1	
8  v Arsenal        (h)		3 - 1	(Impey, Gallen, Ready)
11 v Ipswich        (a)		1 - 0	(Ferdinand)
15 v Southampton    (a)		1 - 2	(Ferdinand)
17 v Crystal Palace (h)         0 - 1	
29 v Chelsea        (a)		0 - 1

May:
3  v West Ham       (h)		0 - 0
6  v Tottenham      (h)		2 - 1	(Ferdinand 2)
13 v Man City       (a)		3 - 2	(Ferdinand 2, Dichio)

QPR totals;

Ferdinand	26
Gallen		12
Sinclair	 5
Impey		 4
Penrice		 4
Barker		 4
Dichio		 3
Allen		 3
Wilson		 3
Maddix		 2
Willow		 1
Meaker		 1
Yates		 1
Ready		 1
McDonald	 1
Holloway	 1
Own Goal	 1

Total		73

    It looks like Sir Les is finally going to leave the Hoops for pastures
    new....Newcastle are the favourites, but I've a sneaking suspicion that
    Spurs could sneak in with a late bid, probably around the 5.5-6 million
    pound mark....
    
    Ray....

    how's about this for a rumour?...
    
    QPR are after Baggio!!!!, apparently he's an admirer of Ray
    Wilkins....don't knock it, if Gullit can go to Chelsea then why not
    Baggio to the Bush.,,,
    
    Ray....

    
    Do you mean Roberto Baggio ? Hasn't he just been sold to Inter for a
    quite ridiculous sum of money and they are currently haggling over his
    wages which are reputed to be a spit off a million poonds a year ?
    
    	Or is it Steve Fulton, whose nickname when he was at Celtic Park was
    "Baggio" ?
    
    Malc.
    

The "Superhoops" have "pulled off" an unexpected signing. Apparently Julian
Clary has always been a great admirer of Ray Wilkins.


Stuart

    
    	>apparently he's an admirer of Ray Wilkins....
    
    	Not surprised. That long hair tied back always made him a bit 
    	dodgy in my book. Bit surprised about "Butch", though - I'm sure
    	he wasn't a shirt-lifter in his United days ;-)
    
    	Andy.

    John

    	Stop whinging and sort out your personal name. We don't all use
    that poofy Windows version of Notes you know. And you can stick your
    full colour workstation up your default editor while you're at it.

    Malc$where_did_you_say_were_playing_tonight.

    PS A quick cheerio to once-in-a-blue-moon noter Mike Peacock whose last
    day it is today. Maybe see you in the pub later Mike !

    

    latest rumour is that QPR have accepted a 6 million quid offer for
    Ferdinand from....
    
    
    Aston Villa....
    
    
    Ray....

August:
19 v Blackburn          (a)
23 v Wimbledon          (h)
26 v Manchester City    (h)
30 v Liverpool          (a)

September:
 9 v Sheffield Weds     (h)
16 v Leeds              (a)
23 v Tottenham          (h)
30 v Bolton Wdrs        (a)

October:
14 v Newcastle          (h)
21 v Middlesborough     (a)
25 v ???   - Coca Cola Cup Third Round
28 v Nottingham Forest  (h)

November:
 4 v Southampton        (a)
18 v Coventry City      (h)
22 v Everton            (a)
25 v West Ham           (a)
29 v ??? - Coca Cola Cup Fourth Round

December:
 2 v Middlesborough     (h)
 9 v Tottenham          (a)
16 v Bolton             (h)
23 v Aston Villa        (h)
26 v Arsenal            (a)
30 v Man U              (a)

January:
 1 v Chelsea            (h)
 6 v ??? - FA Cup Third Round
10 v ??? - Coca Cola Cup Fifth Round
13 v Blackburn          (h)
20 v Wimbledon          (a)
27 v ??? - FA Cup Fourth Round

February:
 3 v Man City           (a)
10 v Liverpool          (h)
11/14 v ??? - Coca Cola Cup Semi-Final, 1st Leg
17 v Sheffield Weds     (a)
17 v ??? - FA Cup Fifth Round
21/25 v ??? - Coca COla Cup Semi-Final, 2nd Leg
24 v Leeds              (h)

March:
 2 v Arsenal            (h)
 9 v Aston Villa        (a)
 9 v ??? - FA Cup Sixth Round
16 v Man United         (h)
23 v Chelsea            (a)
24 v ??? - Coca Cola Cup Final
30 v Southampton        (h)
31 v ??? - FA Cup Semi-Final

April:
 6 v Newcastle          (a)
 8 v Everton            (h)
13 v Coventry City      (a)
27 v West Ham           (h)

May:
 4 v Nottingham Forest  (a)
11 v ??? - FA Cup Final

    
    QPR has signed Ned Zelic form B. Dortmund according to news floating
    around here in Sydney. Is he still any good? A couple of years ago he
    seemed to be a very good player.
    
    
    Gabor

    I've never seen or heard of Zelic before....although I think there was
    a Woody Allen film of the same name!...spooky....
    
    /anyway, QPR beat a crack Aylesbury side 8-0 during the week. Their odds
    for the Premiership have been cut to 6-4 favs.... 8)
    
    roll on mid August....
    
    Ray....                     

	re .459

>    I've never seen or heard of Zelic before....although I think there was
>    a Woody Allen film of the same name!...spooky....

	No, that was "Zelig".

	Tony

    
    Ned Zelic is an Australian, early 20s, was signed to Borussia Dortmund
    about 2 or 3 years ago. He is the guy that scored the goal from an
    impossibale angle that eliminated Holland from the last youth WC. At
    the time some English Premier League teams were also after him, but he
    was advised against going to England as his style was not supposed to
    suit the English style.
    
    Gabor
    

    Sorry, didn't know where else to ask this question...
    
    But does any noter around the Reading area know if Digital still has an
    11-a-side football team in the Sunday Berkshire League.  If you do,
    could you let me know who to contact about the team.
    
    Thanks
    
    William

Hi William - why didn't you ask in Switzerland?!

Try Steve Leadley @reo (Or Neville Groom or Neil Cossey even)

grahame

    >If you do, could you let me know who to contact about the team.
    
    	Your not thinking of integrating your ace IOSG 5-a-side team into
    the DEC team are you.... God help them....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.

    Hi Rick,
    
    That wasn't an IPEG team, that was a few traitors from IOSG and the
    rest of IPEG.  Anyway, it seems Digital has given up on Sunday
    Football.
    
    William

    
    Well after another blinding season the Dec side got itself 
    relegated, that now every year bar one since 1989-90.
    
    Speak to Neil Cossey @wlc about the team as the decision 
    will soon be announced.
    
    Pj

    Blackburn 1-0 QPR
    Shearer (pen)
    
    Flowers got sent off for hauling down Sinclair outside his area, I
    think....I didn't see any of the game so I can't comment, but it brings
    up the old chestnut of teams who, having seen their goalkeeper sent
    off, then take an outfield player off and bring on a substitute
    specialist goalkeeper, surely it's a rule that must be altered....
    
    Ray....

    
    > Flowers got sent off for hauling down Sinclair outside his area
    > it brings up the old chestnut of teams who, having seen their goalkeeper
    > sent off, then take an outfield player off and bring on a substitute
    > specialist goalkeeper, surely it's a rule that must be altered....
    
    Well actually I don't agree. I think it's always rather fun to
    speculate who you would take off in that situation and whether you
    agree with the manager in his decision. It also gives a curious insight
    into how much a player is valued by his manager. I remember Italy
    having their goalie sent off in the World Cup and the various pundits
    came on speculating who they would take off, then the Italian manager
    confused everybody by substituting Roberto Baggio ! Jack Charlton was
    interviewed at the end of the match and he said he would have done the
    same thing which I suppose says a lot for the general uniformity of
    managers, or something.
    
    	But returning to the original point it's a rule that affects
    both teams so it's fair in that respect. It's also a lot easier for a
    keeper to be sent off these days so I would expect some compensation
    for that. And at the end of the day Brian the offending team is still a
    player light so the net effect is the same.
    
    	And of course it could be just sour grapes because QPR lost Ray ...
    
    Malc.
    

    .468
    Malc, not sour grapes at all, 'cos B'burn would probably be my 2nd fave
    team at the moment....
    
    ah well, onwards and upwards, as the Bishop said to the netball team.
    
    Ray....

    Malc,
    
    Disagree with your final comment there.  The loss of a goalkeeper to a
    team can have far more impact than the loss, say, of a
    centre-forward, especially when you're already winning 1-0.  I think the 
    disappointing thing for Rangers is that Sinclair would have scored had it 
    not been for Flowers' clumsy challenge.  I'm sure QPR would rather have 
    had the goal than had Flowers sent off.  The rule regarding goalkeepers 
    is, imo, flawed. In a case such as this one, I think the rule should be 
    altered to state that a penalty can be awarded *and* the offending team 
    cannot use a substitute keeper.
    
    Dave

    Dave,
    
    Are you saying that a penalty should be awarded for an offence which
    took place outside the penalty area. Very dodgy ground. No Goalkeeper
    would dare venture outside the area as I'm sure that there would be a
    few forwards taking even more dives than they normally do.
    
    Stuart

    >No Goalkeeper would dare venture outside the area
    
    Good - maybe that would put an end to fouls like the one committed
    against Sinclair.
    
    I'm only suggesting that a penalty could be awarded if the ref
    considered that it was a certain goal.  This will really only come into
    play when a forward is 1 on 1 with the keeper, and when the keeper legs
    it out of the area.  I admit that it could be dodgy ground, but I'm
    sure that it would not encourage more forwards to take a dive - divers
    are divers, wherever the incident takes place.   Just ask Alan Shearer
    !
    
    Dave

    
    re the last few...
    
     Hasn't the subs rule actually changed. Teams can now decide wether to
    have three outfield players as subs on the bench  or two + a keeper.
    As far as I understood seven teams have opted for 3 outfield players
    and no keeper..  two being Newcastle and Wimbledon.  Now if Scernik (?)
    was to be sent off they'd be no cover for him.
    
    Gary 

    
    -1 
     maybe so,,..  The same probably accounts for Wimbledon. I can't
    remember the other 5 who elected to go without a reserve keeper.
    
     

	QPR had Roberts in goal, so they elected to play without a keeper
	full stop.

    QPR 1-0 ManCity
    
    Barker
    
    here we go, here we go, here we go....
    
    Ray....

    ....oh and teletext reports that interest is growing in Sinclair, the
    usual teams were mentioned....if he gets called up to the full England 
    squad his value could be as much as 5 million quid....
    
    ....I can almost see the chairman counting the dosh, greedy bar steward
    thst he is!... 
    
    Ray....

    Who the hell was QPR's manager in thet year shown on Match of the
    Seventies last night when they were pipped for the league by Liverpool.
    
    Mike
    

    I can't believe that Dave "Yawn" Sexton would have been in charge of
    such an exciting team !?!?

    It was all Don Masson's influence of course.

    Re; 'No, Dave Sexton'
    
    Is that definitive? It's not Gordon Jago, then?
    
    Mike

    Gordon Jago  1971-74
    Dave Sexton  1974-77
    Frank Sibley 1977-78
    Should I go on.....

    Rob,
    
    You have "anorak" tendencies.
    
    Stuart
    
    BTW Who were Aldershots managers since the war....

    Stuart,
    
    I must have inherited them from a former manager.....
    
    ....and the Aldershot question isn't fair; it means me having to go up
    in the loft to find a previous edition of Rothmans ;-)
    
    Rob

    Gordon Jago  1971-74
    Dave Sexton  1974-77
    Frank Sibley 1977-78

	Wasn't Tommy Docherty in there somewhere ??

    1968 and also 1979-80

August:
19 v Blackburn          (a)	0-1
23 v Wimbledon          (h)	0-3
26 v Manchester City    (h)	1-0	Barker
30 v Liverpool          (a)	0-1

September:
 9 v Sheffield Weds     (h)	0-3
16 v Leeds              (a)
23 v Tottenham          (h)
30 v Bolton Wdrs        (a)

    So its an easy win for Leeds next Saturday.. especially with Asprillia
    & Fox in our team.. :->
    
        Cheers,
    
            Rick.
    

    Asprillia is a Motorbike.
    
    I think you mean Asprilla.

    ...and the metamorphosis has begun....
    
    Leeds Utd 1-3 QPR	(Dichio 2, Sinclair)
    
    Europe here we come!!!!

    Hmmmmm.... another game we gave away....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.

    Rick,
    
    Good to see you give QPR the credit...
    
    So what happened to the mighty Yeboah. Surely he wasn't marked out of
    the game by Alan "The Camel" McDonald and Carl "Ever" Ready? 
    
    Hmmm, so much for the invincibility of Leeds (x3) that you were trying
    to convince about the other day. More power to the argument that Leeds
    are a one man team...
    
    Stuart

    Rick,
    
    all I can say is....Ha Ha Ha Ha!
    
    William

    Morning Bill...
    
    	I'll have my revenge on the 24th Feb.. :->
    
    	Cheers,
    	
    	Rick.

Fair play to the Parkers.  They came to Elland Road with 
a plan of action and executed it to perfection.  Leeds, on the
other hand, had nothing of the sort and got exactly what they 
deserved from the match: nothing.

Maybe we underestimated the opposition - something you do at 
your peril.  From the reports of the match, QPR played football,
Leeds didn't.  Nice to see the team trying to play some
constructive football getting the result.

No hard luck stories, no sour grapes (some might say - for once).

                        James.

    
    
     The real pisser for me was that Leeds (or rather QPR) bust my fixed
    odds coupon at the weekend!!! Newcastle, Middlesbro, Liverpool, Man. Utd
    and Dunfermline all did the business. I haven't even bothered working
    out how much it cost me, after all, the coupon was burst half-way
    through the first half.
    
    Danny.
             

    Danny,
    
    Go on work it out & then tell us. We will then:
    	
    	(a) sympathise with you
    
     or	(b) laugh out loud at your misfortune
    
     or	(c) go and take out your frustration on Rick Morrell
    
     or (d) all of the above.
    
    Stuart
    	

    According to the USA TODAY, Jurgen Somner became the second American to
    play in the Premiership when he played against Leeds - how did he look?
    
    Steve 

Re -1

Was Rick playing or what?  I didn't see his name
in the Sunday rags :-).  This was one occasion I 
was happy *not* to see a report of the goings-ons 
Saturday (Irish Sunday Independent).

                 James.

    James...
    	
    	Well I couldn't have done any worse than the rest of the Leeds
    team.
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	RickZ

    Well, Wilkins has brought Hateley to the Bush from Glasgow for a
    million quid....that's quite a lot for a 34-year old, IMO....
    
    Ray....

    an awful result last night....for me it was a choice between watching
    the match in the local on Sky or going to see `Apollo 13'....I'm glad I
    chose the latter now....great film....
    
    Ray....

Score?

    qpr 2-3 Spurs....8-(

Even worse after going 2-0 up?

    Bolton 0-1 QPR (Dichio)
    
    QPR now have 9 points and have ROCKETED up the table to 12th place....
    
    
    Ray....

    QPR 2-1 Oxford
    
    QPR scraped through after extra time....
    
    nuff said....
    
    Ray....

    QPR at home to the mighty York City in the next round of the CC
    cup....
    
    ....ah well, I knew it couldn't last....
    
    Ray....

    Hi cheerie cockney chappies,
    
    Is there a QPR member out there who would be willing to get me some
    tickets for tomorrow's game?
    
    I'd prefer 3, but only 2 would be OK and 1 wouldn't be so bad.
    
    They are available to members only and will not go on sale to the
    general public. What a waste.
    
    I suppose we'd have to meet somewhere near the ground and refreshments
    would be provided.
    
    thanks for any help.
    
    Peter (7 851 1883)
    
    

	You'd probably get more joy asking on the QPR internet mailing
	list.

    re -1,
    
    Nice idea. I just thought that people in here wouldn't mind if we
    jumped up and down at the wrong times ;-#
    
    Peter

	Yeah lets have some positive thinking !!!! We can beat these
	Newcastle bods. How long is their unbeaten record ???

	As long as we don't have Roberts in goal, or Ready in defence,
	or Osborn in midfield or Dichio in attack......................................cont. page 94.

    Calling Jeff Kirkpatrick,
    
    	Somebody is slagging your fave player off. Have a word !!!
    
    
    	Ian.

>>>>	Yeah lets have some positive thinking !!!! We can beat these
>>>>	Newcastle bods. How long is their unbeaten record ???

    	But are you going to help me witness this?
    
    Peter

> re: Note 58.521 by WOTVAX::HARDYP
>
>    	But are you going to help me witness this?

	Unfortunately being a lazy git, my membership form hasn't found
	its way to Loftus Road yet, so no tickets for me either. I'll
	have to get a few beers and sit down in front of teletext...(sad)

    Anyone out there know the number for QPR ticket sales?
    
    William

    What.. you're actually going to go & see them Bill... whatever next?!?!
    
    Rick.

    Rick,
    
    I was going to say, "no smart replies...right Rick" at the end of my
    previous note, but I knew it wouldn't stop you!!!!
    
    William

Bill,

Try 0181 749 5744.

Jon

    QPR 2-3 Newcastle
    
    I only saw highlights on MOTD. Sinclair and Dichio seem to be the
    Premiership flavour of the month. I wonder how long it will take for
    scumbag chairman to cash in on them....
    
    Ray....

Yes, Jan Stejskal now plays for Slavia Prague - he looked pretty solid in a 
2-1 win at Lugano (conquerors of Inter) last night.

g

    Well will the mighty York overcome another one of the Premiership
    teams just as they did in the last round... lets hope they do... they
    seem to do well away from home.. :->
    
    Bill.. you've got no chance... 
    
    And then to cap it all.. Sinclair will leave to join Leeds(x3)....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.

    Rick,
    
    So Trevor Sinclair will be joining Leeds (x3), eh? Lets hope Rangers
    give him a pair of wellies as a leaving present then.
    
    Stuart

    Rick,
    
    You are just praying that York beat QPR just in case Leeds(x3) get us
    in the next round of the cup!
    
    3-0:3-0:3-0:3-0
    
    William (ha ha ha ha ha)

    >3-0:3-0:3-0:3-0
    
    That should be :
    
    	3-1:3-1:3-1... 
    
    Wetherall scored in the 90th minute from an excellent header....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.

	The grapevine has just reminded me that Roberts is the keeper
	tonight. That's a two goal start for York already !!

    Excellent match on UK Gold last night.... 
    
    	Super Whites 2 - Poor Cockney Club 1...
    
    	It was funny seeing Jimmy Armfield sitting in the dugout smoking a
    pipe.. I don't think you'd see too many Premiership managers having a
    quick fag during the first half....
    
    	I'm sure he had a few beers, instead of water bottles, in there for
    the players just incase they got thirsty during the first half... 
	
    	Cheers
    

    QPR 3-1 York City
    (Someone, Somebody & Somebody else)
    
    ....away to Aston Villa in the next round. Can someone post the
    complete draw?...
    
    Ray....
                                 

    >QPR 3-1 York City
    >(Someone, Somebody & Somebody else)
    
    Ray,
    Can we take it that A.N. Other got the consolation goal for York? ;-)
    
    Dom

    sorry for being a lazy so-&-so,
    
    QPR scorers, Atkin, (og), Impey and Sinclair
    
    and for York, Barnes....
    
    if York can beat the Chosen Ones at Old Trafford 3-0 and QPR beat York
    3-1 doesn't that mean that QPR are the new Messiahs????
    
    
    well I'm convinced....
    
    Ray....
    
    I still haven't seen the full CCC draw....

    But David White is a great player.... excellent winger...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.

.538

Was the deal or _or_ and the three players?

    Sorry,
    
    	I don't know. Personally, I wouldn't take either !!
    
    
    	Ian.

    QPR gain their first draw of the season against Notts Forest, with 
    27 million pound man Trevor Sinclair getting the equalising goal....
    
    Ray....

Re: -a few back

You do mean liras don't you?

    QPR's quest for mid-table supremacy goes on after Saturday's 2-0 loss
    to Southampton....
    
    Ray....

    Villa 1-0 QPR
    Townsend
    
    
    Didn't see it, don't want to see it. Nice to se Townsend back.  That
    can only be good news for the Republic of Ireland....
    
    Ray....

    Staunton also came on for the last few minutes if you're looking for
    good news for the Irish. If you really don't want to know, don't go
    into 67. I'll put a report in later.
    
    Derek

August:
19 v Blackburn          (a)	0-1
23 v Wimbledon          (h)	0-3
26 v Manchester City    (h)	1-0	Barker
30 v Liverpool          (a)	0-1

September:
 9 v Sheffield Weds     (h)	0-3
16 v Leeds              (a)	3-1	Dichio2, Sinclair
19 v Oxford CC2 L1	(a)	1-1	Dichio
23 v Tottenham          (h)	2-3	Dichio, Impey
30 v Bolton Wdrs        (a)	1-0	Dichio

October:
 5 v Oxford CC2L2	(h)	2-1aet	
14 v Newcastle          (h)	
21 v Middlesborough     (a)	0-1
25 v York City CC3	(h)	3-1	OG, Impey, Sinclair
28 v Nottingham Forest  (h)	1-1	Sinclair

November:
 4 v Southampton        (a)	0-2	
18 v Coventry City      (h)	1-1	Barker
22 v Everton            (a)	0-2
25 v West Ham           (a)	0-1
29 v Aston Villa CCCL3	(a)	0-1

December:
 2 v Middlesborough     (h)
 9 v Tottenham          (a)
16 v Bolton             (h)
23 v Aston Villa        (h)
26 v Arsenal            (a)
30 v Man U              (a)

    If we get through December above the relegation zone, I will be very
    happy...and a bit suprised.  BTW - How many teams go do this season?
    
    William

    > Teams going down..
    
    	3.. including QPR....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.

    Rick,
    
    Don't you mean 1..including Leeds and possibly QPR
    
    William

    Not us mate... we'll be in Europe next year when we claim our UEFA cup
    place through finishing in the top 4 in the leauge... and by winning
    the Fizzy Cup.
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.

    How are you gonna win the fizzy cup then Rick ??? You seem to forget
    the impending stuffing you are to receive at the hands of Mick and Jims
    Blue and White army !!!!
    
    
    			Stretch.

    QPR 	1-1 	Middlesboro
    Ex-lower            A. Flatcap
    division 
    player to 
    be sold
    probably 
    for large
    profit by 
    Scumbag
    chairman 

    Can someone post the full 3rd round draw????
           
    Ray....

     Crewe Alexandra v West Bromwich Albion
     Reading v Gillingham
     Tranmere Rovers v Queens Park Rangers
     Norwich City v Brentford
     Leicester City v Manchester City
     Cinderford Town or Gravesend & Northflee v Aston Villa
     Crystal Palace v Port Vale
     Stoke City v Nottingham Forest
     Swindon Town v Enfield or Woking
     Bradford City v Bolton Wanderers
     Huddersfield v Blackpool
     Plymouth Argyle v Coventry City
     Grimsby Town v Luton Town
     Southampton v Portsmouth
     Birmingham City v Wolverhampton Wanderers
     Everton v Stockport County
     Peterborough United v Wrexham
     Barnsley v Oldham Athletic
     West Ham United v Southend United
     Torquay United or Walsall v Wigan Athletic
     Millwall v Oxford United
     Manchester United v Sunderland
     Liverpool v Rochdale or Darlington
     Hereford United v Tottenham Hotspur
     Arsenal v Sheffield United
     Derby County v Leeds United
     Fulham or Brighton & Hove Albion v Scunthorpe United or Shrewsbury Town
     CHELSEA v Newcastle United
     Ipswich Town v Blackburn Rovers
     Charlton Athletic v Sheffield Wednesday
     Notts County v Middlesbrough
     Watford v Wimbledon 
    
    Ties to be played January 6,7 and 8
    

    Just in case I don't get a chance before tomorrow, HAPPY XMAS to one and 
    all, yes, even the ManU fans...
    
    Ray....

    >even the ManU fans...
    
    	I'll wish them a Happy XMAS if we win on Sunday... :->
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.

    Rick,
       In the words of the great Alan Partridge - " Kiss My Arse " 
    
    
    			Stretch.

    >In the words of the great Alan Partridge - " Kiss My Arse "
    
    Stretch,
    
    Sheep do that a lot don't they...
    
    Stuart

    Stretch...
    
    
    Take long running jump....
    
    
    
    
    	..into the Kennet & Avon Canal....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.

    Rick,
    I do not need to jump......a graceful swan dive was executed to
    perfection. Pretty much the same faultless display of skills will bring
    your FLOCKS demise in the fizzy cup come Jan 10th.
    
    			Stretch.

    Hmmm....
    
    I don't think so Stretch... I don't think so.....
    
    Don't forget to flash ya ManU credit card about when ya in Leeds.. I'm
    sure you'll get instant "service"....
    
        Cheers,
    
            Rick.
    

    Stretch,
    
    Erm, swan-dive? More like full frontal flounder by all accounts!
    
    Ian,
    
    Tad aggressive aren't we? At least Rick faced the music...BTW who's
    Nigel. Is he a Collie?
    
    Stuart

    Tranmere 0-2 QPR
    
    First win of 96, (calm down, calm down, eh?,eh?)....
    
    Ray....

    QPR v Chelsea in the 4th Round of the Cup. No worries....
    
    Ray....

    QPR 1-2 Chelsea
    
    Chelsea advance to the next round after an excellent cup-tie. Peacock
    fluked the first Chelsea goal and Furlong took the 2nd goal well.
    Quashie's goal for Rangers was a stunner and Allen missed a penalty
    which would have gotten Ranger's a replay that their 2nd half display
    deserved....
    
    Ray....

    Ray,
      ref Squashies goal. It was a corker indeed. Good match overall
    although a draw might have been a fairer result given QPR's effort in
    the second half. I think Spencers shot took a deflection leaving Somner
    with no hope. I would not let B Allen near the penalty spot for a while
    though!
    
    			Stretch.

    Indeed....
    
    Allen's penalty was trash. News reports say that Wilkins job is under
    threat. This is sad....
    
    Ray....

    Forgot to mention the fact that Hately was very fired up for the
    occasion as well. What would have happened if QPR had not had to sub
    Maddix on so early ?
    
    			Stretch.

    I'll be on a course in Woking from Monday 4 March til Friday 8th. Does
    anyone have a list of footy matches happening that week in the London
    area?...
    
    A list of some decent pubs around Woking would be nice if anyone knows
    of any....
    
    Ray....

        Ray,
    
        Arsenal play Man City on Tuesday 5th March.
    
        Decent pubs in Woking? HAHAHAHAHAHA! Er, the only one in the town
        centre is The Old Stillage (opposite Woolworths) which is ok.
    
    	In Guildford, the Hogs Head is very good if you are after some real
    	ale.	
    
    	Will you have a car or not?
    
        Stuart
    

    re -1
    
    Apparently, The Stillage is a bit 'iffy' these days but further down
    the same road (walking away from the BR station) is a JD Wetherspoon's
    pub which is the best pub in town.
    
    Stuart