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Title: Soccer Football Conference
Notice:Don't forget your season ticket.....
Moderator:MOVIES::PLAYFORD
Created:Thu Aug 08 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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33.0. "Leeds United FC" by GALVIA::SPAIN (New personal name wanted) Thu Aug 08 1991 17:32

    
    This is the Leeds United topic.
    
    Gary.
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33.1Pre Season GamesBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Aug 08 1991 19:5586
        Welcome Back to the 'New Football' conference ...
        
        A larger than normal note, due to the conference being in 'File not 
        found' status ...
        
        United lost 1-0 in Tokyo on Monday, to a disputed penalty scored by 
        Carlos Alberto. United came off 2nd best on the plastic surface of 
        the Tokyo dome, and were watched by a 40,000 crowd. United pressed a 
        lot in the 2nd half, but couldn't score. Bottofoga were good on the 
        break, and United finished the stronger side. The return meeting at 
        Elland Road on Friday should be interesting - United won't lose 1-0 
        that night ! Chapman gave the Bottofaga (Brazilian and South American 
        Champions no less) defence and goalie some bad moments, it appears 
        the Japanese ref. gave a little too much protection to the Bottofoga 
        goalie - wait till Friday !
        
        Shizuko Makagawa writes in the Match Day Program in Tokyo :-
        
        Leeds United (England) is a very strong soccer club in England. From 
        1960 to 1970 the club was strong enough to be afraid of all European 
        team.
        
        In 1962 the last foot soccer team manager Mr Don Revi opened up the 
        way of the greatest club.
        
        Main titles were acquired by him who had appointed in the 
        representative manager in England in 1974. In those days the players 
        consists of representative of the England, Scotland Wales, North 
        Ireland with captain Mr Brenam. For the short period they were the 
        2nd class league but last year they ranked first class league after 8 
        years in the 2nd class. Since then this team ranked higher in class 
        and they got 4th rank within their 20 England team last year.
        
        This time this team is directed by MF Stroken, 34 years veteran and 
        very good for dribble and he played two times at the world cups both 
        in Spain in 1982 and Mexico in 1986 as representative to Scotland. 
        Also Mr Makaristar, who joined this year and also representative of 
        Scotland is going to make the game in the middle of the game. At the 
        forefront very tall forward, Mr Chapman become a post and give a 
        precaution to the other team. He is high score man in England league 
        this year.
        
        Cap that Lunchtime O'Booze !!!!
        
        
        Tonight (Wed) United take on the mighty Halifax in the WRSC with 
        their 2nd and youth XI, so Halifax are fancying their chances. A 
        United XI beat Glasshoughton 3-0 last night (Tuesday), Mel Sterland 
        played 30 minutes, his first outing after his double hernia 
        operation. Hodge still has an injury, he will have to fight to get a 
        place in the team, Speed is the likely person to make way, but if he 
        plays well, he will keep his place. Competition for all places will 
        be strong next year. A strong squad is necessary if a serious go at 
        the championship is to be undertaken.
        
        Saturday sees United at Huddersfield Town in the WRSC, their 3rd game 
        in 4 days, and then the big game of Div. 1 at Palace next Saturday.
        
        (Thursday)
        
        United 0 Halifax Town 2 !!!!
        
        Well, it was United's 3 rd team, but Halifax played well and took 
        their chances, I hope they do better in Div. 4 this season than last. 
        Of the United players on display, Snodin, Williams, Whitlow, Davison, 
        Varadi, Wallace and Kerr were known to me, the others were  ??? 
        Sterland came on with 30 mins to go, and then Leeds looked a little 
        better. Davison was substituted after 44 minutes for kicking a 
        Halifax player - silly boy ! Both Halifax goals came in the 1st half, 
        a poor clearance led to the first after 15 mins, and a free kick 
        needlessly given away by Kerr after 35 was converted by a long haired 
        Shayman.
        
        From what I saw last night - Kerr is hopeless, Wallace is too small, 
        especially in long grass, the ball almost knocked him over, he's a 
        bit slow and can't control the ball over well, Sterland is short of 
        match practice, but hopefully has got over his hernia operation.
        
        The pitch was in good order, but the grass was tripping Wallace and 
        Snodin up, the new SE stand looks good. The capacity for the 
        Bottofoga game is 25,000 or so, the SE stand is not quite ready, and 
        some work is being done on part  of the Lowfields terracing.
        
        jb.
        
        
33.2Fixtures 1991 - 1992BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Aug 09 1991 13:5163
    
    Here's the fixture list.
    
    
    Sat 17 Aug	Crystal Palace		a
    Tue 20 Aug 	NOTTINGHAM FOREST	H
    Sat 24 Aug	SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY	H
    Wed 28 Aug	Southampton		a
    Sat 31 Aug	Manchester United	a
    Tue 3  Sep	ARSENAL			H
    Sat 7  Sep	MANCHESTER CITY 	H
    Sat 14 Sep	Chelsea			a
    Wed 18 Sep	Coventry City		a
    Sat 21 Sep	LIVERPOOL		H
    Wed 25 Sep	League Cup R2 L1
    Sat 28 Sep	Norwich City		a
    Sat 5  Oct	SHEFFIELD UNITED	H
    Wed 9  Oct	League Cup R2 L2
    Sat 19 Oct	Notts County		a
    Sat 26 Oct  OLDHAM ATHLETIC		H
    Wed 30 Oct	League Cup R3
    Sat 2  Nov	Wimbledon		a
    Sat 16 Nov	QUEEN'S PARK RANGERS	H
    Sat 23 Nov	Aston Villa 		a
    Sat 30 Nov	EVERTON			H
    Wed 4  Dec	League Cup R4
    Sat 7  Dec 	Luton Town		a
    Sat 14 Dec	TOTTENHAM HOTSPURS	H
    Sun 22 Dec	Nottingham Forest 	a
    Thu	26 Dec	SOUTHAMPTON		H
    Sat 28 Dec	MANCHESTER UNITED 	H
    Wed 1  Jan 	West Ham		a
    Sat 4  Jan 	FA Cup R3
    Wed 8  Jan	League Cup R5
    Sat 11 Jan 	Sheffield Wednesday	a
    Sat 18 Jan 	CRYSTAL PALACE		H
    Sat 25 Jan 	FA Cup R4
    Sat 1  Feb 	NOTTS COUNTY		H
    Sat 8  Feb	Oldham Athletic		a
    Wed 12 Feb	League Cup SF L1
    Sat 15 Feb	ASTON VILLA 		H
    		(FA Cup R5)
    Sat 22 Feb	Everton			a
    Sat 29 Feb	LUTON TOWN		H
    Wed 4  Mar	League Cup SF L2
    Sat 7  Mar	Tottenham Hotspurs	a
    		(FA Cup R6)
    Wed 11 Mar	Queen's Park Rangers	a
    Sat 14 Mar	WIMBLEDON		H
    Sat 21 Mar	Arsenal			a
    Sat 28 Mar	WEST HAM UNITED		H
    Sat 4  Apr 	Manchester City 	a
    Sat 11 Apr	CHELSEA			H
    Sun 12 Apr	League Cup Final
    Sat 18 Apr	Liverpool		a
    Tue 21 Apr	COVENTRY CITY		H
    Sat 25 Apr  Sheffield United 	a
    Sat 2  May	NORWICH CITY		H
    Sat 9  May 	FA Cup Final
    
    
    jb.
    
33.3Aha here it is !COMICS::PARSONSAnyone got a turquoise tracksuit ?Fri Aug 09 1991 13:593
    
    Well new conference, new season, new trophies for the cabinet ?
    I'll put my predictions for the new season in after tonights game.
33.4Brazilian Skills on DisplayBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Aug 09 1991 14:0117
    HW was interviewed on Radio Leeds this morning, and was saying that the
    2 games against Bottafogo have been / will have been very useful for
    the team, playing in a strange stadium against a very skilful side -
    it's preparation for Europe next year ...
    
    The team should be near full strength tonight, Lukic, Fairclough,
    Whyte, Sterland may get a run out in the 2nd half, Dorigo, McClelland,
    Speed, Batty, Strachan, McAllister, Shutt, Chapman, Wallace, Hodge is
    still injured. Subs from Snodin, Varadi, Davison, Williams and Day.
    
    Tomorrow, there is a trip up the M62 to Leeds Road, to play
    Huddersfield Town in the WRSC. Halifax Town are presently leading this
    competition, by virtue of scoring more goals, all teams have 6 points -
    each half counts as a game, and there are an extra 2 points for the
    winner of the whole game ...
    
    jb.
33.5Xfer Xfer read all about it.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Aug 09 1991 16:545
    The latest bit of transfer gossip is Gordon Durie for 2.5 million.
    
    Does the panel agree that transfer fees have gone silly ?
    
    jb.
33.6TOTH::CHAVESFri Aug 09 1991 16:596
    Ref: .1
    
    Botafogo are not the South American champions. That honor belongs
    to Colo-Colo Chile.
    
    JC
33.7YUPPY::MCCABEMikeFri Aug 09 1991 16:598
    Does the panel agree that transfer fees have gone silly ?
    
    Yes.  Over two million for Keith Curle and only 1.7 million for Paul
    Parker seems ludicrous (and 1.2 million for Cascarino!  Liam you need
    you head examined).  It seems that if a first division player is
    transfered the starting price seems to be a million!
    
    Mike M  
33.8Pre season games / Crystal BallsBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Aug 12 1991 13:3549
    United 2 Bottofoga 1
    
    A very entertaining game, United going 1 up courtesy of Gary Speed
    after 10 minutes, and 2-0 thanks to Chapman, who gave the Brazilian
    defence a hard time. Batty and Bottofoga's star No 7 (name ?) were
    booked, and B's No 7 got a lot of stick - for the Brazlian superman, he
    was cr*p (probably been drinking & $%^&ing the women too much ...).
    Strachan missed a penalty on 7 after Chapman had been mugged in the
    penalty area. Leeds played some really good football, stringing 12
    passes together without the Brazilians touching the ball, this
    frustrated them no end !
    
    Dorigo looked good, Wallace had flashes of excellence - it looks a
    strong team. Sterland came on with 1/2 an hour to go, Chapman is going
    to have a good service this season, and Wallace will be around to pick
    up other stuff, McAllister, Speed and Strachan will be pushing from
    midfield, as will Hodge and Batty - it all looks set for a good season.
    
    Reserve & Youth team news :-
    
    Huddersfield 1 United 0
    
    A scratch United side lost to Huddersfield (div 3 promotion contenders)
    in the WRSC on Saturday. Sterland had another run out, and could be in
    the reckoning for a place against Palace. Other injury news is that
    Kamara is coming good, Shutt is still in hospital (his knee is
    infected), Hodge makes progress (I hope he will be able to play, and I
    hope United have not brought a cripple), Haddock is still injured. I
    expect Wilko will make an offer for a striker soon in the season if the
    goals are not flowing, but it's a matter of seeing what's available and
    at what price.
    
    5 days till the kick off, United are down for an away win at Palace in
    some Pools guides. The start to the season is hard, Palace, Man U,
    Arseanl and Liverpool are played in the first 9 games, we need to get
    results against the likes of them to improve on 4th place. Leeds have
    got one of the strongest squads in the 1st Division, the forthcoming
    season offers a lot of promise. League title ? - Leeds are not yet at
    the same level as the Arse or Liverpool, they are a little behind Man U
    in cup experience, but overall they are better than the other teams in
    Div 1 this season. The Arse, Liverpool and Man U are all involved in
    European competitions this season, so they may take their eyes off the
    League (well Liverpool and the Arse, Man U aren't a title contender
    really), as well as the domestic cups - so increasing the probability
    of Leeds getting some silverware this season.
    
    Interesting times await ....
    
    jb.
33.9Leeds Supporters Club in IrelandGALVIA::SPAINParker for EnglandMon Aug 12 1991 15:425
    
    Anybody got any info on the Irish branch of the Leeds United supporters
    club?  I think it's based here in Galway.
    
    Gary.
33.10Pre Season PredictionBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Aug 12 1991 19:248
    Prediction for Saturday (as I'm out of the office till next Tue, moving
    you see) :-
    
    Palace 1 	United 3
    Wright 37'	Chappo 12', 56'
    		Wallace 88'
    
    Optimistically, jb.
33.11Eagles wings clipped??WELSWS::CADDTue Aug 13 1991 12:565
    
    
    I will be going to the Palace v Leeds match on saturday so if i find
    the time i will try and give an unbiased match report. Well you've got 
    to please the 'sowff laaandeners' phoenetically speaking that is.
33.12who said anything about originality???YUPPY::PANESWoke up, muzzled the dog, went to workTue Aug 13 1991 13:048
    
    
    I will be going to the Palace v Leeds match on saturday so if i find
    the time i will try and give an unbiased match report. Well you've got 
    to please those from 'ooop t'north',  phonetically speaking that is.


    Stuart
33.13KERNEL::WATTERSONI wasn't pushed - I jumpedTue Aug 13 1991 13:075
    
    There's some doubts that saturday's game will go ahead - the ground
    botch-ups... errrr improvements may not be completed on time.
    
    Paul
33.14Don't buy your ticket yet !!!COMICS::PARSONSAnyone got a turquoise tracksuit ?Tue Aug 13 1991 15:074
    
    Paul beat me to it, but Palace may have to call off their first
    two home games because they haven't finished ground improvements.
    A decision on the games will be taken tomorrow.
33.15Groinstrain for sale???WELPUT::NELSONstick the ECU where it belongsTue Aug 13 1991 18:216
    How can anyone justify 2.5 million for groinstrain (Durie to you)?
    How serious an offer is this, or is it paper talk?
    Also, will Leeds finally get serious and let a decent amount of away
    fans in this season...Last season was a joke!!!
    
    Mn.
33.16C Palace P0 W0 D0 L0 F0 A0 Pts -2COMICS::PARSONSAnyone got a turquoise tracksuit ?Wed Aug 14 1991 15:174
    
    Oh well. No game on Saturday. Paint hasn't finished drying at Selhurst
    Park. It would be useful if the League deducted a couple of points
    off Palace. Might help at the end of the season.
33.17Not quite true...YUPPY::PATEMANAyrton Senna - World Tour 1991Wed Aug 14 1991 17:358
    The *real* reason that the matches are off is that the closed circuit
    TV in the new police control centre is not fully working. The ground is
    fine.
    
    digustedly yours
    
    Paul
    
33.18Whay not play at Leeds now, and Palace later ?COMICS::PARSONSAnyone got a turquoise tracksuit ?Wed Aug 14 1991 17:556
    
    Leeds suggested that the game be played behind closed doors but
    the Football League refused. HW was not impressed. Should make
    for an interesting game when they do finally meet. Another alternative
    would have been to play the reverse fixture at Elland Road, I don't
    know why no-one suggested this.
33.19Aldershot friendly?PANIC::QUINLESSMartin Quinless SWAS London UKThu Aug 15 1991 17:527
    I read today in the paper that Leeds are to play Aldershot in a
    friendly tomorrow night instead! Anyone got anymore details on this?
    
    The good news was I got a ticket for Saturdays game the bad news its
    not on!
    
    Martin Q
33.20Retire the lot of em.WELPUT::BWALKERCome on you Hatters.Thu Aug 15 1991 19:2615
    Mind you I would like to highlight the flexibility of the football
    league fixture computer.
    
    Luton requested no home games early in the season in order to give the
    grass a little more time to bed down.
    What do we get West ham away, and then two home games. Thankfully
    Coventry agreed to Luton's request to switch respective fixtures.
    Crystal Palace and Charlton as they are sharing requested likewise.
    What do Palace get. Home to Leeds first day of the season.
    What do Charlton get Home to Millwall Tuesday.
    
    Thanks Footy League for being so flexible, understanding and down right
    predictable. If it common sense then do the opposite.
    
    Regs Barry.
33.21DUCK::JAMANISThu Aug 15 1991 20:387
        
        
        I understand that Leeds have are 12/1 to win the Championship.
        
        They are behind Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester United!
        
        
33.22snodinDUCK::JAMANISTue Aug 20 1991 14:326
        
        
        Oldham have signed Snodin on a one month loan.
        
        
        S
33.23Entertaining the Mighty Shots ..BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Aug 20 1991 15:2726
    Leeds United 3 Aldershot 1
    
    Well, instead of going to Sarff Lunnun and getting 3 points, we had to
    make do with a visit from the mighty Shots - the game was played in
    good humour, and the crowd was about 4,000, about average for a Central
    League match. The first team were playing, Hodge coming on for Speed,
    and Sterland for big John McClelland, who has had a good pre-season,
    and is useful cover. McAllister, Chapman and Wallace scored.
    
    The Crystal Palace cock up showed how poor the League are at running
    their own affairs, and also showed up the ineptness of the ground
    management at Selhurst Park - a docking of points and a hefty fine is
    neccessary. Cancelling the fixture on the Tuesday before the kick off
    is ineptitude of ther highest order. 
    
    Forest are the visitors to the 33,500 capacity Elland Road tonight,
    Hodge and Sterland are passed fit, I expect them to be subs, as they
    are a little short of match practice, McClelland and Speed will start I
    think. It will be a close match, Sheringham will have to be watched,
    but Parker is absent, Forest will miss him. Let's hope Wallace and
    Chapman run rings round Tiler, and McAllister, Strach, Speed pick up
    anything that's loose.
    
    Prediction - 3-1 to United.
    
    jb.
33.24Crystal ball gazingCOMICS::PARSONSAnyone got a turquoise tracksuit ?Tue Aug 20 1991 15:4631
    
    The 'good' news about tonight is that Des Walker will not be playing.
    Without him Leeds' forwards should have a good night.
    
    As for the whole season, I think a realistic target is 3rd in the
    league (which would guarantee us a place in Europe) and a trip to
    Wembley (hopefully in a serious cup competition). I don't think
    Leeds are quite good enough for the league title ... yet.
    
    As for the other clubs, it will be Liverpool's attack or Arsenal's
    defence that will probably win the league. It is more open than it
    has been for quite a while. Man Utd will do well in the league
    initially, but when we reach March/April with them still in the 
    Cup Winners Cup and FA Cup their league form will fade as usual.
    Crystal Palace finished 3rd last season, but have not significantly
    strengthened their squad so they could be a little disappointing
    this time around. Forest and Spurs will finish comfortable in the
    league and have a cup run or two. Everton are still rebuilding, it
    will take Howard Kendall at least another year to get a good side
    together. Teams to struggle are Coventry, West Ham, Luton and possibly
    Wimbledon. I'd be surprised if more than two of those four stay up
    (assuming promotion/relegation will still be allowed come May).
    
    As for Europe, well I think all four clubs will reach the last eight.
    After that we will have to wait and see. If Arsenal reach the league
    stage of the European Cup then George Graham has said it will take
    priority over the League Championship, this is where Leeds and Man Utd
    could get a chance of the title.
    
    Of course Leeds could lose 5-1 tonight and I will be bombarded with
    mail from a certain Everton fan.
33.25YUPPY::PANESGeese Control to Geese Leader 1Tue Aug 20 1991 16:0815
>    The Crystal Palace cock up showed how poor the League are at running
>    their own affairs, and also showed up the ineptness of the ground
>    management at Selhurst Park - a docking of points and a hefty fine is
>    neccessary. Cancelling the fixture on the Tuesday before the kick off
>    is ineptitude of ther highest order. 

     I agree it is a cock-up of titanic proportions, but lets get the record 
     straight. Originally , Palace asked for a fixture against a team with
     less away supporters and less of a reputation. This was denied. Then
     Plod came into to play . It was THEIR control room which was not ready
     and it was at THEIR insistence that the fact that the game was going to
     be postponed was kept quiet.


     Stuart
33.26HmmBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Aug 20 1991 17:5617
    re -1
    
    Hmm - double cock-up points to the League & Plod - but nobody from
    Selhurst park got in touch with leeds - they learnt about it from the
    BBC !
    
    re -2
    
    3rd will be a good position - HW is on the record of saying Leeds
    United are not as good as Arsenal (yet), and they showed last season
    that man U had more 'big match' experience - Leeds will get this as the
    season wears on, and if they are right behind the leaders (or leaders
    themselves), they stand a chance of a crack at the title, but hopefully
    the Arse and Liverpool (possibly Man U) will have one eye on Europe and
    may let the league slip a little.
    
    jb.
33.27ZDS Cup drawCOMICS::PARSONSAnyone got a turquoise tracksuit ?Tue Aug 20 1991 18:096
    
    Leeds have drawn Nottingham Forest at home in the 2nd round of the 
    ZDS Cup. The game will be played sometime in October. After last 
    seasons cock-up with two semi-finals in 3 days I'm surprised we
    even bothered entering (Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs and Man Utd did
    not bother).
33.28KERNEL::WATTERSONEverton Everton rah rah rahTue Aug 20 1991 18:126
    
    Tony,
    
    have Everton entered again ? - if so any idea who they're playing ?
    
    Paul
33.29..............nil pointsYUPPY::PANESGeese Control to Geese Leader 1Tue Aug 20 1991 18:3531
    <<< Note 33.26 by BAHTAT::BLYTHE "Ee bah gum th's trouble at t'mill" >>>
                                    -< Hmm >-

    re -1
    
>    Hmm - double cock-up points to the League & Plod - but nobody from
>    Selhurst park got in touch with leeds - they learnt about it from the
>    BBC !
    

     Jb,

     I thought my previous note explained that it was Plod who said "Don't
     tell anyone". I believe that the Palace were only "allowed" to release
     this information on the Wednesday.

     Now, I know that a lot of people will look at the Totts fiasco a couple
     of years ago. But Palace will probably lose thousands on this one 
     ( even without a fine ), because after last season's placings it had
     "Big Fixture" stamped all over it, now it will probably be reduced to 
      a midweek winter's night , probably when B.R are on strike and the M1
     is reduced to a skating rink.

     Oh well.

     Stuart

     BTW I had a call this morning from a M*FC "supporter" who claims
         that as they are top of the League they will definitely end up
         Champions.  Isn't it a shame when cousins marry.
     
33.30No trip to Wembley this year ...COMICS::PARSONSAnyone got a turquoise tracksuit ?Tue Aug 20 1991 19:239
    
    re: back a few
    
    Everton have entered Paul. They are in the 2nd Round draw with a
    home game I think but I can't remember who against.
    
    ...
    
    Just checked for you. It's Oldham at Goodison.
33.31ZZZds BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Aug 20 1991 20:143
    I was under the impression Leeds had not entered the ZDS this year.
    
    jb.
33.32HW, ZDS Cup and Secret(ive) PoliceCOMICS::PARSONSAnyone got a turquoise tracksuit ?Tue Aug 20 1991 20:286
    
    I thought HW was so mad with what happened last season they had told
    them to get stuffed, but apparently not (unless they forgot to tell
    the organisers - now who else do we know that don't inform people 
    about postponed football games, clue: ello ello, what do we have ere
    then ? no control room ! your nicked sonny !)
33.33The story so far.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Sep 12 1991 13:3333
    As all has done since 20 Aug, summary so far :-
    
    1-1 vs Sheff Wed home (Hodge)
    1-0 vs Forest home (McAllister)
    4-0 vs Soton away (Speed 2, Strachan 2)
    1-1 vs Man U away (Chapman)
    2-2 vs The Arse home (Chapman, Strachan)
    3-0 vs Man City home (Dorigo, BATTY, Strachan)
    
    Leeds are now in 4th place, and have some easy games , Chelsea a,
    Coventry a, Liverpool h, Norwich a, Palace a coming up, 10 points out
    of these will be a major acheivement, and keep us up there.
    
    Highlights of the season so far have been to 4-0 demolition of
    Southampton - Soton are having a mixed season, but 4-0 away is a hell
    of a good score. Strachan has scored 4 times this season, all from the
    penalty spot - he hasn't missed one yet. Leeds were 2-0 down to the
    Arse, and then picked themselves up off the floor, aided and abetted by
    the Elland Road suppoer. The Arse were lucky to come away with a point
    - shades of the Liverpool game last year. Manchester City were soundly
    beaten 3-0. We were leading Man U 1-0 3 mins before the end of the
    game, but Robson equualised.
    
    Lowpoints of the season so far are to do with injuries, Fairclough was
    injured vs Soton, and will be out till the beginning od October,
    Wallace was injured against Man City, he has a tear in a muscle in the
    groin area, and will be out for 6 weeks at least, he should be back in
    contention by November. Kamara is on the way to recovery, as is Shutt,
    who had an outing vs Blackburn Rovers reserves in the Pontin's league
    on Tuesday night. Haddock is also on the road to recovery.
    
    
    jb.
33.34More snippets.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Sep 12 1991 14:0556
    The biggest highlight so far this season was BATTY SCORING against Man
    City - his first goal in 160 games since Man City on Boxing Day 1987.
    The Kop went wild !
    
    Batty and Dorigo played for England last night, the first time 2 Leeds
    United players have played for England for 11 years (Cherry and
    Greenhoff were the last pair). Strachan played as Scotland's captain,
    and by all accounts took over as coach and manager in the 2nd half.
    McAllister was in the squad, maybe he was sub (not used). Speed played
    for Wales.
    
    I also went to a meeting of the Football Supporters Association in
    Leeds on Mon, Alan Roberts, the Leeds Admin manager was giving his
    views on the proposed Super League, the Bradford City Admin mgr was
    also there.
    
    It appears the Super League is a device of Tottenham, the Arse, Man U,
    Liverpool and Everton as a first step towards a British League, and
    then a European Super League. The rest of the First Division are being
    pulled along in the wake of it all. The only people getting benefit out
    of this are the lawyers. Current fees will cost each club in the league
    50,000 pounds so far ....
    
    The support is also really appreciated by the players, Dorigo is
    overwhalmed by it, and it is worth a goal start away as well as at
    home! 2000 travelled to Southampton, and 800 Arse supporters made the
    easier trek to Leeds. Sterland was reported to be livid with Sunderland
    lastyear when only 500 tickets were issued to Leeds supporters, he
    played a blinder and scored the winner. The players also get annoyed
    whwn they see Leeds supporters coaches stopped by the Plods - it makes
    them more determined to win. Roberts also said Wilkinson REALLY wanted
    to win something this year. Contrary to other reports, he was 'totally
    gutted' by missing out on a Wembley appearance last year - after the
    Everton game, the whole team went back to the hotel and got totally
    wrecked - not a usual occurence by the way ! All Leeds players have a
    clause in their contract that commits them to 7 hours community work a
    week, on the transfer side, many of the players that have been linked
    to Elland Road 'would not have got in the car park' due to their off
    field commitments and activities. Sheridan was disposed of by Wilko
    because of this, he was often in the Viaduct pub  on Lower Briggate at
    6.15 on a Saturday match night, starting off a Saturday night binge.
    Roberts also touched on the fact that football could start to price
    itself out of the market, he pointed to 1,000 empty seats at Elland
    Road - #17 is too much, some way od giving a limited number of tickets
    to schools / youth groups is being investigated. The Lowfields
    redevelopment will start this summer, it is hoped the Lowfields
    terracing may be retained during this work, else the capacity will go
    down to 24,000 - not enough ! When the rebuilding work is finished, the
    capacity of Elland Road will be 40,000, all seater. The problem of
    making the Kop all seater will be dealt with after the Lowfields
    redevelopment, ground capacity could be made too small if they were
    done at the same time.
    
    jb.
    
    
33.35Hang on a minute!ARRODS::OHAGANBGrrreat.....SoopahThu Sep 12 1991 15:009
    re . 33
    
    >> the Arse were lucky to come away with a point
    
    True. But were'nt you lucky that we did'nt bury you in the first half?
    A draw seemed fair reflection from what I recollect being said in here
    a week ago. Ooohhh you're not getting away with it that easy. :-)
    
    Barry.
33.36Keep it tight at the backBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Sep 12 1991 16:0426
    To bury a team, you need to get the ball in thae back of the net, it
    was done only once in the first half. A second came along, then Leeds
    started to play, and came back very strongly, the Arse just clinging
    on.
    
    I'm afraid this particular Arse isn't keeping it tight at the back ...
    
    As for what was said a week ago (a long time a week is!), is there
    documentary evidence m'lud ;-)
    
    The Arse have made a poor start and need to pull their socks up.
    However, come November, I expect Div 1 to have Leeds, Liverpool, The
    Arse and the Mancs separated by 2 or 3 points, and for it to stay that
    way, with the Mancs fading out towards the end of the season. The
    championship is wide open this year.
    
    Chelsea away on Sat, this is an all ticket match, but a lot of
    supporters haven't realised this, and ticket sales were only 15,00 the
    other day. Leeds have sold 4,000 of their 7,000 allocation up to Wed
    pm. Leeds normally take 5-6,000 away with them to Saturday matches. A
    win would be good, Chelsea are the top London team at the moment, so it
    won't be easy. A 2-1 win for Leeds is todays prediction.
    
    I'll put team news in whan I hear of any.
    
    jb.
33.37Commercial newsBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Sep 12 1991 16:1218
    The Admiral deal has opened more doors to Leeds United on the
    commercial side. Currently English Footballs' hottest property, Leeds
    have to build on their success last season, they must win something / 
    make a major impact else the hot money will go elsewhere. The Japanese
    connection is growing, it is expected that Sony will have their logo on
    Leeds' shirts next season. Negotiations are underway to show live
    matches on US cable TV, before the World Cup, and Satellite companies
    in Europe have sogned up to show live Leeds games. Money is always a
    problem, a lot was taken in seasons, but this does then give rise to a
    cashflow problem later in  the season, so TV money is all important.
    For league games, 150,000 is the going rate, with more from
    advertising. Villa made 1 million when they played (Inter Milan ?) last
    season, Leeds want to be a part of this - success is necessary. The
    Mancs have done English football a favour - there will be 2 UEFA cup
    places up for grabs this year. (Thank you the Mancs). One of these will
    be for Leeds at least !!
    
    jb.
33.38Cup time comethBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Sep 12 1991 17:4621
    Forthcoming Cup games involving Leeds United are :-
    
    Wed 25 Sep, away at Scunthorpe in the 2nd round 1st leg of the
    Rumbelows Cup. Leeds United to progress 1 round further than they did
    last time, ie to the final, and win it. The 2nd leg is at Elland Rd on
    Tue 8 Oct, ko 7.45. Scunthorpe beat Leeds in the 2nd div dark days in
    the FA Cup. This is not expected to happen this time ! Incidentally,
    Scunthorpe play in a new stadium, it was used for the England U21 game
    earlier this week.
    
    Tue 22 Oct at 7.45 sees Forest at Elland Road in the ZDS cup.
    Originally, Leeds were not going to enter, due to them having to play 4
    matches in a week last season, 2 of them being ZDS games. Apparentley,
    they have received assurances from the powers that be that this will
    not be the case this time round. We shall wait and see. This won't be
    an easy game, it will be interesting to see what teams HW and Ole Big
    Head send out. My guess it will be the reserves. It is also live on
    Satellite (Skysport I think).
    
    jb.
    
33.39Team / Marchin AltogetherBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Sep 13 1991 13:3422
    As Wallace is out for 6 weeks, it is likely that HW will play Speed as
    a striker with Chapman, and Hodge will coem into midfield and start a
    game for the first time this season. John McClelland will continue to
    partner Chris Whyte in the centre of defence, subs will be Wetherall
    and Varadi / Davison.
    
    For those in the UK, there was an interesting programme on Black
    players in football - Great Britain Uninted on C4 last night. There was
    an appreciable amount of exposure to Leedfs United, and Ces Podd, a
    community development officer at Elland Road was interviewed, as were
    Chris Fairclough and Chris Whyte. There is also a group of fans that
    produce 'Marching Altogether - Leeds United fans against Racism', which
    started in 1987. Like all clubs, Leeds has it's fair sghare of fans who
    just abused black players, that is now a thing of the past at Elland
    Road. There were interviews with 3 of the people from MAT, 2 of whom
    are active in the FSA in the West Riding.
    
    Ron Noades came across as a real pratt - I heard (from the MAT lot)
    that Wright and Bright put transfer requests in after hearing Noades'
    remarks...
    
    jb.
33.40A Palace Fan writesYUPPY::PANESA heart of gold and a knob of butterFri Sep 13 1991 13:5339
    <<< Note 33.39 by BAHTAT::BLYTHE "Ee bah gum th's trouble at t'mill" >>>
                         -< Team / Marchin Altogether >-

    
>    Ron Noades came across as a real pratt - I heard (from the MAT lot)
>    that Wright and Bright put transfer requests in after hearing Noades'
>    remarks...
    
     Agreed - Noades is a pratt. I can't believe that Wright/Bright would
     have put in transfer requests though, because they must have already
     known that Noades is an intellectual dwarf ( I hope am not sounding
     'dwarfist').  

     Wright and Bright ( and the other black players at Selhurst ) do not
     and have not ever received any abuse from Palace fans. Similarly, apart
     from a few dorks ( and which club hasn't got them ), I have never heard
     any racial abuse at the Palace ( although I did call Erik Forcefed (sic)
     a Quisling once).

     Palace had, in Vince Hillaire , one of the first of a handful of black 
     players to gain prominence, and I think that probably halted the rise
     of the racist scum, who followed the club.

     Also at Selhurst there are quite a few black spectators ( no not the
     players McCabe ), and I am happy to be associated with a club that
     attracts a cosmopolitan following, but to re-iterate somewhat shamed
     to be associated with Noades.

     Fair play to Leeds for tackling the problem ( they used to be the N.F's
     number one team for racist chants ) and I like the signs that they have
     put up.

     The one thing that disturbs me about the Policing, is when is an animal
     noise offensive , and can the police discern the difference between 
     racist, antagonistic noises and the sound of good old fashioned braying?
     Did I mention Palace are playing Arsenal tomorrow?

     Stuart
  
33.41no racism at GoodisonKERNEL::WATTERSONNightmare on Sesame StFri Sep 13 1991 13:5812
    re .40
    re that prog on telly
    
    Stuo - 

    did you noticed that Everton - that supposedly well known racist
    club - were praised for their attempts to stamp out racism at
    Goodison ?
    
    paul
             
33.42We'll make Cleasea hurt tomorrow where it counts on the scoreboard.XSTACY::JLUNDONJames A. Lundon DTN 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Sep 13 1991 19:056
Prediction for tomorrow. Win 2-0. We are good against sides who we beat the year
before i.e double over Chelsea last season. Keep up the good work Lukic and
you might even get noticed eventually by Taylor.

			James.
33.432-1 to Leeds hopefully ...BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Sep 13 1991 19:435
    I can see tomorrows game vs Chelsea to be tight, so I am going for a
    2-1 win for Leeds, with the strong possibility of a 1-1 draw. A win 
    will set us up nicely for Coventry on Wed, and Liverpool on Saturday.
    
    jb.
33.44NICE WEEKENDMACNAS::SMORANFri Sep 13 1991 20:286
    Sorry to ruin your weekend.
    
              Chelsea 2  0 Leeds
    
    Stephen
    
33.45Leeds go 2ndBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Sep 16 1991 13:0126
    Chelsea 0 Leeds 1
    
    An excellent 3 points away from home, Shutt getting the goal on his
    comeback, that makes it 6 goals in his last 7 games, as he had a
    scoring streak at the end of last season, before his 'incident' in
    Sheffield. A typical Leeds goal, Strachan- Batty - Sterland -
    McAllister - Speed - Shutt - goal, the ball starting in midfield, out
    to the right flank, into the middle, headed on to the left flank,
    cross, header in at far post. Chelsea had more of the game in the first
    half, and Leeds scored against run of play, but they kept going and
    came out winners. Wise had a goal disallowed for offside, and Dorigo
    (who had an abusive reception from the Chelsea lot) cleared off the
    line. Strachan came off with 10 mins to go, he took a knock, and Hodge
    deputised.
    
    Leeds are now 2nd in the table, 5 points behind the Mancs (good away
    win at Soton for them Sat), with a game in hand. The 'Diving Scousers'
    are 3rd, a lucky draw for them, after a Rosenthal Dying Swan Impression
    got them a penalty. Elland Road will be watching for cheating antics on
    Saturday. Coventry City (away Wed) continue to impress, in our last 4
    games, we have played 4th, 2nd, the Arse (waking up at last, 4-1 away
    is an acheivent), and Top. Our next 2 games are vs 4th and 3rd - a hard
    start, but points taken from these teams opens up a gap. The Mancs and
    us are the only unbeaten teams in Div 1 - how long can this be kept up? 
    
    jb.
33.46Don't you just love Radio 5 !!!COMICS::PARSONSHemisphere Change - 16 daysMon Sep 16 1991 13:407
    
    I was driving back to Basingstoke on Saturday listening to Radio 5
    when they announced Shutt had put Leeds 1-0 up. Then with 10 mins 
    to go Radio 5 announced Chelsea had equalised (oh dear I thought !).
    Then would you believe 5 mins later they announced they had jumped
    the gun and it was still 1-0 ... I don't know how I kept the car on
    the road  :-)
33.47Great Win but more to comeXSTACY::JLUNDONJames A. Lundon DTN 890-2417 Leeds ForeverMon Sep 16 1991 13:4714
Great Win on Saturday, shows we can now take on anybody and win. Listening to 
the reports Saturday on BBC5 where they made a very uncharacteristic mistake 
of announcing that Chelsea had gotten an equaliser. Some over zealous reporter
I suppose. It made the win all the better thinking that we had lost it. Took 
them over 5 minutes to admit their mistake!

Coventry on Wednesday. Seem to be playing all the big teams at the same time. 
Whats going to happen during Christmas play all the teams in the bottom 5.

Anybody got anything on Strachan i.e he going off quickly after taking a corner
with back trouble?

				James.

33.48Strach / Rumour millBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Sep 16 1991 14:408
    Strachan took a knock, but it is expected he will be OK for Wednesday
    ay Highfield Road. HW was saying at the weekend that his current squad
    was stronger than the one that finished 4th last season, a bit obvious
    really, but HW usually keeps his thoughts to himself. Latest rumours
    concern the possible transfer of Tony Agana/Brian Deane from Sheff Utd, 
    as they have dire financial problems.
    
    jb.
33.49Fine performance!!SUBURB::PRATTJMon Sep 16 1991 17:2519
    
    Strachan took a knock??? It looked like he was just a bit tired, he
    wasn't limping at all and Steve Hodge was warming up for quite a while
    before he came on.
    
    Leeds showed they were a class apart from Chelsea, Batty/Strachan
    closing down the midfield well, leaving Chelsea the only option but to
    thump up long balls which were easily contained by Whyte. On the attack
    they put together some promising moves stringing passes all over the
    field.
    
    Bad point about the game, Chapman missed a sitter after a cross was
    headed down by Shutt, that would have sealed the game and not put us
    through the tension of the last 10 minutes.
    
    P.S. Does anyone have the address of the supporters club, as it's not
    easy getting tickets for the games down south, we had to sit quietly in
    with the Chelsea fans!!!
          
33.50Chealsea at it again.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Sep 16 1991 19:5815
    I notice that after Saturdays gave vs Liverpool, Leeds will have played
    8 out of the top 10 div 1 sides (as of now), the exceptions being
    Tottenham and Leeds themselves. The Mancs have played Leeds United out
    of the current top 10, Liverpool haven't played many of the top 10
    either. Now, if this form keeps up ...
    
    A pal of mine was at the Chelsea game on Sat, apparently there was some
    trouble on the Tube as Chelsea fans ambushed Leeds supporters at
    Parsons' Green Tube station. Services were held up for 45 minutes or
    so. There was nothing in the papers, so I assume it was caused by the
    Chelsea nutters. There's no love lost between Leeds and Chelsea, and
    Chelsea have been beaten 3 times on the trot by Leeds, 2-1 and 1-0 in
    London, and 4-1 at Elland Road.
    
    jb.
33.51Don't blame the Chelsea "BLUES!!!"WELSWS::CADDThe only way is up!!!Tue Sep 17 1991 00:5228
    
    
    jb,
    
      I was there at the game also on saturday and went for a drink
    afterwards in a bar/restaurant down the road opposite Fulham Rd tube
    about 5.45 p.m.
    
      There were a lot of Leeds/Chelsea fans wearing colours in the place
    discussing and disecting the game, there was no trouble at all until
    about 50 police decided to raid the place.
      They were offensive in asking people to finish their drinks and leave
    their meals. In my opinion this sort of attitude is more likely to
    upset people than deter them, which is what i suspect the police were
    trying to do. who are the real instigators of trouble ???.
    
       On a different subject I got a letter from the ticket office saying
    that they are giving priority for Scunthorpe tickets to fans who went
    to the Southampton game so mine should be here by saturday.
    
      Coventry on Wednesday I shall be there traffic permitting. The sky
    blues have started quite well this season but a win there will be
    necessary to keep the pressure up on Man U who don't have a midweek
    league game this week.
    
    P.C.
    
    
33.52Police attitudes sometimes do not helpCOMICS::PARSONSHemisphere Change - 16 daysTue Sep 17 1991 13:2521
    
    re: police attitudes
    
    I've come across obnoxious policemen causing trouble at several
    football grounds. Although I can sympathise with all the aggro 
    they get, they do sometimes make it worse for themselves with
    their moronic attitude. Not all football fans are yobs. I saw
    the police actually cause a mini riot at Coventry a few years
    ago. 
    
    Coventry had as usual won their last game of the season to stay
    in the 1st Division and the fans as usual had 'invaded' the pitch
    and were singing and dancing on the pitch. The next moment a group
    of mounted policemen charged into the fans ! There were so many on
    the pitch the horses backed off and in doing so trampled on some
    handicapped fans in their wheelchairs at the touchline. Most of
    the ground saw this and a lot more people invaded the pitch intent
    on grabbing the leader of the mounted police. They did in the end 
    manage to pull him off his horse. The next day the local newspaper
    gave the police a real slagging off starting a slanging match with
    the local police chief.
33.53Wednesdays team newsBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Sep 17 1991 13:4519
    PC Plod usually starts trouble, otherwise what's the point of turning
    out to police a lot of well behaved people ? Anyway, there's overtime
    for dealing with disturbances. My pal was at the Tube, he saw what was
    going to happen, and scarpered fast.
    
    Sterland is doubtful for Wednesday's game at Coventry, he sprained his
    ankle at Chealsea. Strachan has a dack injury, but is expected to play.
    Fairclough has almost got over his ankle injury, it is possible he may
    return against Coventry, John McClelland will then play at right back
    instead of Sterland. Hodge and Wetherall are likely to be on the bench
    (again).
    
    Both the Mancs and Liverpool are playing European games this week, it
    gives leeds a chance to get within 2 points of the top, and 4 points
    away from 3rd place. Now, if we beat Liverpool on Sat, Luton get a
    point at OT, and the score isn't 4-4, then we go top...
    
    jb
    
33.54What a time to leave the country.COMICS::PARSONSHemisphere Change - 9 daysTue Sep 17 1991 14:167
    
    It's good to hear that Fairclough is almost fit. We'll need him
    on Saturday.
    
    Leeds beating Coventry and Liverpool, and Man Utd drawing with Luton;
    while almost an impossibility would have me leaving the country with
    Leeds top ! 
33.55Chelsea saturday, Coventry tomorrowSUBURB::YOUNGA1Tue Sep 17 1991 18:129
    Greetings,
    
    Does anyone know when the Crystal Palace match has been
    re-scheduled for?  A friend and I hope to get to the game.
    
    Cheers
    Dust Th'ippy
    
    
33.56Coming to a ground near you soon ...COMICS::PARSONSHemisphere Change - 9 daysTue Sep 17 1991 18:133
    
    I think Jon Blythe said a few notes back it was Oct 1st (fortnight
    today).
33.57Coventry tonightXSTACY::JLUNDONJames A. Lundon DTN 890-2417 Leeds ForeverWed Sep 18 1991 12:4310
Another tough game away ay Coventry and my prediction is we won't lose! Very 
commital statement but I can't make up my mind as to whether we will win or not.
Coventry are playing well and a draw for us wouldn't be disasterous i.e 0-0. 
Leeds drew 1-1 last season at highfield.

A win would of course be a bonus but we can't expect to win every game (-;.
         
                                             
				James.

33.58Sent to Coventry.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Sep 18 1991 19:1414
    Strach will play, he's got over his back injury. Sterland awaits a late
    fitness check. If he doesn't play, then big John McClelland will go
    right back, and Wetherall will start, Fairclough isn't yet fit. Hodge
    and Whitlow are the likely subs.
    
    More xfer rumour, Bull and AN Other from Barnet are reported to be the
    targets of a 1/2 million bid by Wilko.
    
    I'll be happy with a 1-0 win in injury time - I think they can do it,
    but it will be tight. The 3,000 or so travelling supporters will make
    more noise than Coventry though ! I predict a hard-fought 1-0 win to
    Leeds.
    
    jb.
33.59Good enough Draw but!XSTACY::JLUNDONJames A. Lundon DTN 890-2417 Leeds ForeverThu Sep 19 1991 13:059
Well my prediction of sorts came to pass. Not a bad result and still unbeaten 
but I understand that Chappie missed a good chance near the end to win the game.

Roll on Liverpool. Hope that Jon Blythe was at the match because we will then 
get an unbiased report of what actually happened at the game. No Leeds injuries 
last night that I understand!


 			James.
33.60Sent to Coventry!SUBURB::PRATTJThu Sep 19 1991 15:3226
    
    Three of us went up last night and saw the game, all agreed that it was
    two points lost, rather than a point gained but then these things
    happen!
    
    Gary Speed took a clattering knock in the first three minutes that he
    was limping from for a few minutes but seemed to run it off for the
    rest of the game, but it was a scare!
    
    Coventry wasted a number of chances from free kicks, crossing about
    three of them out for goalkicks, but put pressure on midway through the
    second half and tested Lukic a number of times. Another disallowed
    goal, the old offside trap certainly keeps you on your toes! 
    
    Another good performance from Leeds, created numerous chances around
    the penalty box, Chapman and Shutt played up front, but both seemed to
    lack pace. Hodge came on with 15 minutes to go inplace of Shutt, with
    Speed taking over up front. Cheeky Free-kick by Strachan, chipped the
    wall but fell just to long for Chapman. Chapman had a free header but
    just put it passed the post with ten minutes to go.
    
    Would tell you more but we had eight pound seats that gave a great
    worms eye view of the game! Still four points from two away games is
    not bad especially with easier fixtures coming up after Saturday.
    
    
33.61Liverpool to get beat.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Sep 20 1991 13:3328
    The first Nil Nil of the campaign, but Leeds sould have had 3 points. I
    wasn't at the game, but I was listening to the commentary on Radio
    Leeds. Chapman missed a couple of chances, and Lukic had a good game -
    he was the MoM accoriding to the Evening Post. Speed sprained his ankle
    after falling over the ball, but should be fit for Saturdays sell out
    vs Liverpool. All 32,720 tickets have been sold, so the crowd will be
    over the 32,000 mark - there are always several hundred no-shows !
    
    The build up fot the Liverpool game has started, Leeds have not beaten
    Liverpool in their last 22 meetings - tomorrow will be the day !
    Liverpool did not look too brilliant vs the Finns in the 1st half, but
    then the Finns fell apart. Their defence isn't too clever, but Rush ans
    Saunders will need watching. I wonder what sort of reception Sourpuss
    will get - his players better not try on their cheating antics at
    Elland Road - especially if they are a goal or 2 or 3  or 4 down. The
    team should be that which started against Coventry.
    
    We are now 4 points behind the Mancs, with the same no of games played
    - but ours have been against the Top (bar Soton) teams, and the Mancs vs 
    the  Bottom teams (bar Leeds United), this puts us in good stead for
    our less difficult October and November, Norwich a, Palace a, Sheff U
    h, Notts C a, Oldham h, Wombles a, QPR h, Villa a, Everton h.
    
    The Cup trail starts at Glanford Park, Scunthorpe on Tuesday in the
    Rumbelows Cup, not a walkover - it will be The Iron's Cup Final ...
    
    jb.
    
33.62List of players for this season.XSTACY::JLUNDONJames A. Lundon DTN 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Sep 20 1991 16:5548
Name             Height      Prev Club           Birthplace        Birthdate

Goalkeepers

Mervyn Day        6-02       Aston Villa         Chelmsford        26-06-55
Neil Edwards      5-08         -                 Aberdare          05-12-70
John Lukic        6-04       Arsenal             Chesterfield      11-12-60
Antony O'Dowd     6-02       Shelbourne          Dublin            06-07-70 

Defenders

Tony Dorigo       5-10       Chelsea             Melbourne         31-12-65
Chris Fairclough  5-11       Tottenham           Nottingham        12-04-65
Peter Haddock     5-11       Newcastle           Newcastle         09-12-61
John Mcclelland   6-02       Watford             Belfast           07-12-55
Jon Newsome       6-02       Sheff Wed.          Sheffield         06-09-70
Mel Sterland      5-10       Rangers             Sheffield         01-10-61
Ray Wallace       5-06       Southampton         Lewisham          02-10-69
David Wetherall   6-03       Sheff Wed.          Sheffield         14-03-71
Michael Whitlow   5-11       Witton Alb.         Northwich         13-01-68
Chris Whyte       6-01       W.B.A               London            02-09-61

Midfield

David Batty       5-07         -                 Leeds             02-12-68
Simon Grayson     5-11         -                 Ripon             16-12-69
Steve Hodge       5-11       Notts For.          Nottingham        25-10-62
Chris Kamara      6-01       Stoke               Middlesbrough     25-12-57
Dylan Kerr        5-11       Shepherds           Valletta          14-01-67
Gary McAllister   5-10       Leicester           Motherwell        25-12-64
Glynn Snodin      5-06       Sheff Wed.          Rotherdam         14-02-60  
Gary Speed        5-09         -                 Harwarden         08-09-69
Gordon Strachan   5-06       Man Utd.            Edinburgh         09-02-57
Andrew Williams   6-00       Rotherdam           Birmingham        29-07-62

Forwards

Lee Chapman       6-03       Notts For.          Lincoln           05-12-59
Bobby Davison     5-08       Derby Co.           S. Shields        17-07-59
Gary Kelly         -           -                   -                 -
Carl Shutt        5-10       Bristol City        Sheffield         10-10-61
Imre Varadi       5-08       Sheff Wed.          Paddington        08-07-59
Rod Wallace       5-07       Southampton         Lewisham          02-10-69


Hope it is of interest to somebody out there.

				James.
33.63Liverflukes to get their come uppance tomorrow at long long last.XSTACY::JLUNDONJames A. Lundon DTN 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Sep 20 1991 17:009
Tomorrow will confirm Leeds as serious challangers for the title with a 
resounding defeat of the 'Pool. I expect them to win 2-0 or 3-0. Leeds have
been waiting a long time for this and will relish it fully. No repeat of the
performance last April going 4-0 down before realising the 'Pool defence was 
extremely fragile and look what happened then. 

We won't make that mistake tomorrow!!

                                 James.
33.64Davison on his way.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Sep 20 1991 18:016
    Bobby Davison has gone to Derby on loan for a month , with a view to a
    permanent trabsfer. This would be his 2nd stint with the Rams.
    
    Leeds to beat Liverpool tomorrow.
    
    jb.
33.651-0 1-0 1-0 1-0 1-0 1-0 1-0 1-0 1-0 1-0 1-0 1-0 1-0 1-0XSTACY::JLUNDONJames A. Lundon DTN 890-2417 Leeds ForeverMon Sep 23 1991 13:046
Yes, I have waited a long time to see Leeds bury 'Pool and we certainly did that
on Saturday. Yesterday Liverpool, tomorrow the world.


				James.
33.66It was 18 years ago today ...BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Sep 23 1991 13:1641
    Leeds 1 Liverpool 0
    
    Leeds deserved to win this game, even the use of Ronnie 'Dive Dive
    Dive' Rosenthal in the last 15 mins didn't do anything for Liverpool,
    whose defence looked shakey, midfield lacked punch, and the strike
    force were out of sorts. Leeds did not play to the level they have
    reached previously this season, some of the play was edgy - bearing in
    mind this was the biggest match they have played in the last few years.
    The atmosphere at a sell out Elland Road (32,917) was electric, and the
    noise that greeted Hodge's goal on 25' was amazing. Strachan forced a
    corner, took it on the right, a poor punch by Grobbellar found Dorigo,
    he turned, crossed to Hodge who hammered it into the roof of the net.
    Chapman had an effort cleared off the line by Tanner, Strachan had a
    shot that was brilliantly saved by Grobbellar, and there wer other 1/2
    chances to Chapman and Speed. Speed was playing as a striker, not his
    normal role, and was replaced by Shutt. McClelland and Whyte held firm
    all afternoon, and the Leeds midfield controlled tha game. Batty almost
    gave away a goal whwn he was caught in possession by Saunders, but the
    shot was easily saved by Lukic.
    
    Souness was warned by the ref, the sooner this fool is banished to the
    stand the better - he incenses the crowd and one day may cause
    problems. Plod also told him to sit down and shut up. Grobbellar is a
    clown - his poor clearance led to the first goal, as did Walter's
    dithering, Brucis also nearly lost the ball to Shutt outside the area,
    he made a wild clearance that gave McAllister a clear shot at an empty
    goal - he shot over.
    
    So, Leeds have played most of the top teams in Div 1, Norwich a are
    ext, they are 10th this morning, another hard game, then it's away to
    Palace - who seem to be fading rapidly, Wright and Bright seem to want
    off, no doubt annoyed by Noades. The Mancs thumped Luton 5-0 on Sat,
    the Totts are 3 points behind with a game in hand, but they have had an
    easy start so far. October will be interesting, when the other top
    clubs start playing one another and Leeds play lesser teams - wins for
    us and draws for them.
    
    Away at Scunthorpe on Tue night in the Rum Cup, I predict a win by 3-1
    or something.
    
    jb.
33.67From a very happy Man Utd man...TRUCKS::SANTMon Sep 23 1991 15:178
    
    	Well done Leeds (Leeds Leeds) for putting one over on the 'pool.
    	Nice to see George "Liverpool" Courtenay finally having the balls
    	to tell Sourpuss to stop inciting riot, and Ronnie "Klinsmann"
    	Rosenthal failing to con another ref. When was the last time Leeds
    	beat Liverpool ?
    
    	Andy.
33.68KAOFS::G_LARKINdtn 621-4091Mon Sep 23 1991 17:203
    I believe it was 1973.....when they also won the championship.
    
    Gerry
33.69No Peno for the PoolESSB::BLONGThe Scousers Trophy Cabinet is EmptyMon Sep 23 1991 17:224
33.70Scunthorpe tonight.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Sep 24 1991 13:1015
    Tonight's team vs the iron will be the same that started against
    Liverpool. A result and a good performance is expected tinight - a poor
    perfornmance may lead to a player losing his place in the team - there
    is competition for all places now, as it should be in a squad system.
    
    The victory over Liverpool lifted the 18 year hoodoo, but it was also
    the first victory since United came back vs The Arse, The Totts,
    Liverpool and the Mancs - teams that have got to be beaten if Leeds are
    to progress. Players are now proud to pull on the Leeds United shirt
    etc etc.
    
    A prediction for tonight is 4-0, hopefully Chapman will rediscover his
    scoring touch !
    
    jb.
33.71Rumbelows tonight. vs the Scun.XSTACY::JLUNDONJames A. Lundon DTN 890-2417 Leeds ForeverTue Sep 24 1991 16:076
I expect a tight game tonight as this is a big game for them. Remember Leicester
this time last year. Important to win all the same but much tighter than JB 
predicts, 2-0 maybe. Chapman needs the shooting practice as does Shutt. More
importantly no injuries tonight!

                                  James.   
33.72Nil NilBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Sep 25 1991 13:0913
    Scunthorpe 0 Leeds United 0
    
    Not a win - but another clean sheet. Leeds United are 'clear
    favourites' for the 2nd leg at Elland Road in a fortnight. Scunthorpe
    played well, it was their Cup Final, thay hit the bar, and were a
    handful. Leeds had their moments, but all in all, a 0-0 scoreline was
    about fair. Strachan went off injured after 43 minutes, and McAllister
    was given the job of captain for the rest of the game.
    
    The crowd was 8,800 or so, almost a sell out. The crowd will be approx
    14,000 at Elland Road on Tuesday next.
    
    jb.
33.73TORA TORA ROSENTHAL........SIOG::DAWSONWed Sep 25 1991 22:1012
    
    RE the liverpool game.
    
    I Heard, on good authority that, what kenny courtney said to sourpuss
    was that he couldn,t give him a penalty because liverpool have to be in
    the Leeds half of the pitch and that tora tora tora rosental should
    stop practicing in the semi-circle 8-)8-)8-).
    
    
    
    Liam
     
33.74Strachan doubtful for Norwich.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Sep 26 1991 14:0811
    Strachan is doubtful for the tough away game at Norwich on Saturday, he
    has hamstring trouble. No other injury worries are reported, so the
    team will probably be Lukic, Sterland, Dorigo, Whyte, McClelland,
    Batty, Hodge, McAllister, Speed, Chapman, Shutt with Whitlow and
    possibly Fairclough on the bench.
    
    Rumours still appear re Brian Deane, I would not be surprised if Wilko
    did go out and buy another striker or two as cover for Chapman and
    Shutt.
    
    jb.
33.75Norwich vs. Leeds Saturday.XSTACY::JLUNDONJames A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Sep 27 1991 17:0212
Tomorrows game is another toughie that will show up whether Leeds deserve their
current high flying position. It's a game that will have to be won, as potential
Champions have to go to tough looking opposition and get full points.

I predict a 1-0 win and a 6th clean sheet in a row for Lukic and 8th for the 
season. Hopefully Strachan will play as we seem to be a different team 
( not better ) without him. 

Come on fill up this topic, we don't want to be beaten by arse or Liverpool for 
more notes inputted.

                                 James.
33.76McCaptainBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Sep 27 1991 17:3414
    McAllister is ready to take over from the Skipper tomorrow. Shutt will
    come in as a starter id Strachan is unavailable. Leeds do miss
    Strachan, but leeds United are not a 1 man team. If he isn't playing,
    then McAllister will have to take on the role of playmaker, and lift
    his game. I predict a tough encounter vs the Canaries, but if the lads
    do what they are capable of, then 1-0 to Leeds is my prediction. A win
    tomorrow and Tuesday will do wonders for morale, and really put the
    Mancs under pressure, especially if they drop 2 or more points vs the
    Totts on Saturday (I hope they will draw). If Man U and Leeds are top /
    2nd or (hopefully) t'other way round, with 5 points between the 3rd
    club at the end of Oct, tne the run up to Xmas should be interesting.
    On the other hand ...
    
    jb.
33.77DUCK::JAMANISFri Sep 27 1991 18:2711
    
    
    Is there any news on when both Wallace and Fairclough will have
    recovered from their injuries?
    
    I think that with Chapman being off form we desparately need a quality
    striker.  The problem is that we don't know if HW has any money left to
    buy players!!
    
    
    S
33.78Canaries won't get 3.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Sep 27 1991 18:4217
    Wallace will be out till the end of October. Fairclough is almost fit,
    he will have to wait for a place - McClelland and Whyte are paying very
    well at the moment, the last results have been 0-0, 1-0, 0-0, 1-0, 3-0
    - that's 5 clean sheets in a row. Utd have scored 14 so far in the
    League, Chapman has bagged 2. he needs more goals, but he puts the
    defence in such a state, it leaves more room for the midfield to move
    up and get a few. Our defence had only conceded 4 - that is a very good
    record so far. Let's hope Chappo finds the net a bit more, but I
    wouldn't say he was off form, just not 100% on !
    
    Norwich will not put 3 past Lukic tomorrow, contrary to some
    predictions !
    
    If Lukic keeps another clean sheet tomorrow, it will be a personal best
    for him.
    
    jb.
33.79We need some SERIOUS competition...8-)TRUCKS::SANTFri Sep 27 1991 19:269
    
    	Good luck tomorrow lads 8-)
    
    	I think you'll win. But we'll still be out ahead of you after 
    	turning over the Totts. As long as we can both keep infront of
    	the Arse and 'pool.
    
    
    	Andy.
33.80Another Draw.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Sep 30 1991 11:0729
    Norwich 2 Leeds United 2
    
    A good result this, a point at Norwich is not always easy. However, in
    the context of this season, 3 points should have been taken. The Mancs
    got another last gasp winner, but fortunately all around drew or lost
    (there were a lot of 2-2 draws in Div 1 on Saturday).
    
    Norwich opened the scoring in the 2nd half - the first half was
    scrappy, a loose ball being picked up in midfield and Dale Gordon shot
    it past Lukic. Leeds were level 4 mins later, from a cleverly worked
    free kick, Dorigo's shot gave Gunn  no chance. Speed then put Leeds in
    front, only for them to lose the advantage to a 2nd Dale Gordon effort.
    Too many passes were going astray and Norwich took advantage of this.
    Strachan was missed, it is hoped he will be fit for a trip to Selhurst
    Park on Tuesday, another hard game, but hopefully 3 points will come
    out of it.
    
    The Mancs and us are still unbeaten, but the Arse has crept into 3rd
    place, 3 points behind us. The Mancs next 2 games should be
    interesting, Liverpool and the Arse, draws will be OK here. The Totts
    threw their point away by Stewart being sent off yesterday, Liverpool
    struggled against Sheffield Wednesday, and the Arse stuffed
    Southampton.
    
    10 games gone, 5 wins and 5 draws 'Win at Home and draw away =
    championship", early days yet, but the foundation is there (and we've
    played nearly all of the big teams already).
    
    jb.
33.81WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringMon Sep 30 1991 18:275
    Keep making the excuses Jon, it'll be another 17 years before Leeds top
    the 1st division.
    
    [ANd before the avalanche of reminders about the Jubilee boys, I said
    'top' not win]
33.82Safe bet ...GIDDAY::PARSONSNew Hemisphere - Old CustomersTue Oct 01 1991 06:146
    
    re: -1
    
    17 years ? OK then, if Leeds fail to top the 1st Division (or the
    Premier Division) between now and 1st October 2008 then I'll buy
    you a drink.  :-)
33.83whoops personal message mr.moderatorCOMICS::HAWLEYslam the doors and wedge themTue Oct 01 1991 14:585
    Tony! hows Australia? mail me!
    
    Ian.
    
    p.s Leeds were lucky against the pool.
33.84Still unbeaten but not enoughXSTACY::JLUNDONJames A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverTue Oct 01 1991 16:058
Leeds need to win tonight to keep the pressure up on the filth. With their 
having two tough games coming up, We could be leading next Saturday evening, 
what a thought. So much for 33.81! I predict a good close game with Leeds 
coming up 1-0 in the end. Leeds Forever.

Hope Strachan is back to lead the Troops.

                                  James.
33.85Shining CrystalMINDER::MACDONALDIMUFC ECWC ChampionsWed Oct 02 1991 09:2311
    
    Last nights score 
    
    Crystal Palace 1(Bright 89) Leeds 0
    
    Att:= 18,298
    
    This still leaves the better Utd on top by 6 clear points, and a game in
    hand over leeds.
    
    macca
33.86Youll never walk......again?SUBURB::PRATTJWed Oct 02 1991 11:189
    
    
    Oh dear, it looks a bit grim, McAllister was substituted due to injury
    and Chris Whyte was limping around for half an hour, four bookings,
    Batty, McClelland,Whyte and Varadi.
    
    Could be a bit dangerous going into a relatively easy part of the
    season with a weakened squad, and losing points to the likes of
    Wimbledon/Luton. 
33.87View from the Arthur Waite Stand.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Oct 03 1991 11:2832
    I went to the first away Leeds match for many a year on Tue night, the
    fare on offer was well off. Palace managed 2 shots on goal in the 1st
    half, Leeds 1. In the 2nd half, Leeds didn't manage 1, and Palace got a
    winner after 90 seconds of injury time, after a free kick from outside
    the area was headed in from 3 yards by Bright, the marking was very
    poor. This was the worst I have seen Leeds play since the end of the
    89-90 season - they don't travel well to Selhurst Park ! In conclusion,
    the game was crap, Leeds played terribly, and the 1-0 scoreline almost
    was the right result, 0-0 would have been a bonus !
    
    After meeting fellow noters in the boozer, we toddled off on Notwork
    South East to Thornton heath, and legged it through the back streets of
    Sarff Lunnun, and took our place in the Arthur Waite Stand, there were
    a lot lf Leeds fans there, mixing quite happily with the locals - there
    was no aggro at all, something positive ! At the end, the Leeds fans
    were not held back, and everybody was mixing quite happily - that's how
    it should be. The crowd was a respectable 19,000 ish - not bad for
    midweek. 6,500 of these were Leeds United (officially) and there were
    more all over the stadium, but they were very quiet - nowt for them to
    get excited about.
    
    The injury list is growing, McAllister and Whyte are doubtful for
    Saturday, Strach should be back though. Fairclough is out for 2 more
    weeks, Wallace a month, Haddock and Kamara for longer. Varadi isn't top
    of Div 1 quality, Chapman is having a barren spell, Leeds are in need
    of 1 top class striker to bang some more goals in.
    
    Sheff U on Sat, a 'derby' game, it will be tight, especially with our
    injuries. 2-1 to United, I hope it's more....
    
    
    jb.
33.88WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringThu Oct 03 1991 16:318
    Did anyone see 'Standing Room Only' on BBC2 Monday?
    
    There was this wonderful skit on Batty. They highlighted his ability to
    'hoof' the ball out of defence, his ability to constructive passing to
    colleagues (to the goalie from 1/2 way line), and best of all his late
    tackling (on a spectator leaving the ground after the match).
    
    Mmm, perhaps it wasn't a skit........
33.89FORTY2::ROBERTSONThat's Me in the Corner !!Thu Oct 03 1991 18:216
re -.1

	See note 101


	Al
33.90Team selection is late.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Oct 04 1991 12:199
    Team selection for tomorrow's game against the Blades will be made
    close to kick off, it is expected Strachan will be fit, but thter are
    doubts about McAllister. Hopefully, Tuesday's performance (or lack of)
    will act like a kick up the jacksie, and Leeds will come out fighting,
    and put a few goals in the back of the net. We should still be 2nd at
    the end of play, good results for us would be Arse and Chelsea and the 
    Mancs and Liverpool drawing.
    
    jb.
33.91Comments on current state of LeedsXSTACY::JLUNDONJames A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Oct 04 1991 15:1516
The game versus Crystal Palace was truly awful on Leeds part. I listened to it 
all on BBC 5 and was amazed at how poorly Leeds played. The amount of 
chances created were counted on one finger and overall there was no sort of 
playmaking that could be considered dangerous on Leeds part. This is not
the sign of a team that is supposed to be challanging for league championships. 
There is a distinct need of a top class play making forward in the team at 
present before too much ground is lost to the leaders. 

Albeit that we have played all the big fish in the pond we have to be capable
of putting away the little ones upto Christmas while the filth draw. Tuesdays
result hopefully is only a pothole on the road to better things so I predict
that tomorrows game will be a much happier affair with a 3 or 4 goal win against
a side that is struggling.


                                 James.
33.92What the &^#$ is going on ?BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Oct 07 1991 11:3843
    Leeds United 4 Sheffield United 3
    
    This was definetely a game of two halves ! Leeds started well, and were
    1-0 up after 5 minutes courtesy of Hodge. A Sterland throw from the
    right, poorly cleared by the Blades' defence, hammered in by Steve
    Hodge. The second came from a Sterland free kick, after Phil Kite had
    taken the ball outside his own area. The third was a Sterland penalty
    (there was some argument between Sterland and McAllister who should
    take it) aftrr Dorigo was pushed in the area. 3-0 at 1/2 time, Leeds
    were totally in control, and heading for a cricket score. Every time
    they got the ball, Sheffield were struggling. The Blades couldn't do
    anything right, and Lukic was seldom troubled. Half time came and went,
    I didn't partake of Gastric flu soup or a bottie burger, and Leeds came
    out without McAllister, Whitlow playing instead. Hodge made it 4-0.
    After that, they fell apart, stopped playing, and generally behaved
    like silly b*ggers. McAllister was missed, as he had had a good first
    half, playing on the right side and linking up very well with MoM
    Sterland. Sheffield got a goal back after a free kick - the marking was
    to cosk - just like last Tuesday. Sterland then went off injured, and
    the rot really set in. Fairclough replaced him, but he played at full
    back - not his position, and he isn't match fit. After Hoyland's 1st
    goal, another came from Agana after a god awful back pass from Shutt -
    it's the worst I've ever seen ! The Blades were heartened by this, and
    puilled another one back, a poor Lukic punch was whacked back in. The
    last 7 minutes were 'entertaining' to say the least, real edge of the
    seat stuff, but Leeds hung on for 3 points.
    
    Leeds were without Sterland, McAllister, Strachan, Wallace, Fairclough
    was playing in a strange position. Not a good performance, but the hay
    they fell asleep in the 2nd 1/2 was alarming. HW no doubt gave them a
    good bollocking. As for the Blades, if they had shown the same
    determination and fight in the 1st half they showed in the 2nd, then
    they could have won. If they can carry on in the same vein, they will
    save themselves (again).
    
    Tomorrow is Scunthorpe in the R Cup, I exoect to see a Leeds XI play.
    At least some of them have a week off, due to internatioinals, this
    should give injuries some time to heal. Leeds are due to play a
    testimaonial at York City on Monday 14th, in honour of David Longhurst,
    the York player who died on the pitch some time ago, a stand has been
    erected in his memeory.
    
    jb.
33.93Beglin/The Iron/FLABAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Oct 08 1991 11:4955
    A Testimonial for Jim Beglin vs Liverpool has been arranged for Aug
    18th 1992, it will be played at Elland Road.
    
    Team news for tonight - Strachan, Whyte, McAllister and Sterland all
    have late fitness checks. It is hoped all will play.
    
    I went to an interesting meeting of the FSA last night, the topic was
    'All Seater Stadia'. The chap speaking to us was from the Football
    Licencing Authority, a Quango set up to implement the Football
    Supporters Act - in this case, it requires all 1st and 2nd division
    grounds to be all seater by 1994, and all 3rd and 4th to be all seater
    by 1999. If the government does change, then the 3rd and 4th may slip a
    couple of years, but Div 1 and 2 is definetely 1994. The FLA officers
    on the ground comprise of 4 coppers, 3 fire officers, 1 architect and
    this chap from Leeds who was the Leeds City Council safety officer -
    responsible for Elland Road, Roundhay Park Pop Concerts and other
    concerts in disused tram sheds. The FLA will look at all aspects of
    ground safety, seating layouts, policing, provision of faclilities -
    especially for away supporters, if the ground doesn't come up to
    scratch, then it won't be given a licence. Expect to see more ground
    sharing schemes in the future, if a small club draws a big one in a
    cup, then expect the game to be played on a bigger neutral ground. Put
    simply, the football supporter in the UK has had a raw deal - there is
    plenty of money for players and frills, but the money will not be spent
    on stadia. If the directors and club officials think they can get away
    with it for much longer, then they have a shock coming their way. If a
    club does not go all seater by 1994, the standing areas will be closed
    down.
    
    All in all, it was an interesting meeting, some people there had not
    realised that all seater stadia were coming. Of course, some clubs will
    try to hike the prices up (one well known one is in Leeds 11, and
    wonders why it can't fill seats at #17 per time ;-) ), Sheffield United
    have led the way here, they have a 10,000 seat Kop, #7 per seat, it is
    80% full, and more families are coming. Whan families do come, then it
    is necessary to have proper facilities, Women's toilets, a decent cafe
    or tea bar etc (Leeds United have the South Stand given over to the
    Family Club which is over-subscribed). Some grounds will be closed down, 
    Oakwell (Barnsley) is a 23,000 capacity stadium, but only 2,000 seats - 
    the rest is open terracing. The Taylor report stated that a 20%
    reduction per year in standing accommodation would be carried out, this
    has not been the case, as this would lead to other problems - eg
    Leeds vs Middlesboro in 1989, 4,000 Boro fans were locked outside and
    they were fighting in the street, due to the capacity being restricted
    at Elland Road in the wake of Hillsborough.
    
    If better stadia come out of this, then it's for the good of us all.
    Football is an entertainment - there are many other things to entertain
    people. More and more live TV coverage of football will come along,
    most Div 1 clubs now receive >50% of their income from TV and
    advertising revenue - Joe Soap on the terrace is going to be less
    important in the future to the clubs - bnut if there aren't any
    punters- there's no game ....
    
    jb.
33.944-1 ?BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Oct 08 1991 15:295
    PM prediction :-
    
    Leeds 4 Scunthorpe 1
    
    jb.
33.95DavisonREPAIR::JAMANITue Oct 08 1991 15:3310
    
    
    Bobby Davison seems to be the only Leeds striker scoring goals at
    present!  I think he has scored in three consecutive games.
    
    
    Maybe HW should get him back from Derby and stick him up
    front with Chapman!!
    
    S
33.96ScorersBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Oct 08 1991 16:0311
    Leeds' goals have come from all over this time round, Hodge has 4,
    Dorigo a couple, McAllister, Strachan, Batty, Sterland. Chapman is
    giving the defence a hard time, allowing the midfield to push up and
    score. It would be better if he got scoring again though ...
    
    Davison isn't top of Div 1 standard, neither is Varadi, Whitlow,
    Williams and some others still on the books at Elland Rd. Their
    contracts will not be renewed, though a big squad with experience is
    necessary to overcome injuries etc.
    
    jb.
33.97Scunthorpe should be seen off tonight!XSTACY::JLUNDONJames A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverTue Oct 08 1991 18:309
A win tonight is important as to lose to a 3/4th division team is to say the
least a bit embarassing. A win therefore of 1-0 or 2-0 will be acceptable. I
just hope the Lads have got over the scare on Saturday and have a good 
performance tonight.

Then time for injuries to recover with no league games on Sat. Hopefully will 
have a full squad to pick from again soon.

                            James.
33.98WinXSTACY::JLUNDONJames A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverWed Oct 09 1991 12:1112
Squeezed through but left it a little late!

    Leeds           3 - 0     Scunthorpe

    Sterland 70 ( pen)
    Chapman  76
    Speed    80

    Win 3-0 on aggregate


                    James.
33.99Davison injuryDUCK::JAMANISWed Oct 09 1991 15:0510
    
    
    Bobby Davison apparently is having exploratory checks on his knee. 
    Apparently he may have cartilige (sp?) problems.
    
    It could mean a further lengthy lay off for the unlucky striker.
    
    
    
    S
33.100Into Round 3 we goGIDDAY::PARSONSNew Hemisphere - Old CustomersThu Oct 10 1991 02:076
    
    re: Scunthorpe
    
    well at least it was a win, we left it very late last season against
    Leicester at the same stage of the competition. Good to see Chapman
    scored (at last).
33.101Tranmere here we come.XSTACY::JLUNDONJames A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverThu Oct 10 1991 10:334
Looks like Tranmere in the 3th round of the Rumbelows starting the week 28th
October.

                             James
33.102Comprehensive Victory ...BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Oct 10 1991 11:4337
    Leeds 3 Scunthorpe 'If Typhoo put the 'T' in Britain, who put the $%^&
    in S$%^&horpe ?' 0
    
    It was the late, late show on Tue night, but Leeds' class showed. Leeds
    were without McAllister and Strachan, Williams and Shutt replacing
    them. Kelly, a 17 year old signed from Dublin club Home Farm was sub,
    he came on for 5 minutes at the end. Scunthorpe played well, and
    battled hard, but didn't give Lukic many problems in the 1st half,
    Leeds could have had a couple. The first halk wasn't particulary
    wonderful, and the crowd (14,550) were getting slightly worried (apart
    from the Scunnie lot who were enjoying themselves). In the 2nd half,
    there were more incidents in the 1st 10 minutes then in the first half,
    at both ends. Scunthorpe started to tire 1/2 way through the 2nd half,
    and whwn Hodge was pulled down in the area on 69 minutes, Sterland took
    his penalty well. Chapman added a 2nd, and then Speed a 3rd, both
    shots. Chapman had other chances, as did Shutt, but Chapman scored with
    his hardest chance of the night. Scunthorpe did hit the post with 3
    minutes to go, but it wasn't their night.
    
    All in all, a satisfactory result against inspired opposition, well
    done Scunthorpe.
    
    
    McAllister and Strachan are both doubtful for the Scotland game next
    week, a decision will be made over the weekend if they are fit to
    travel. Fairclough was sub again and Chris Kamara played against
    Liverpool Reserves the other night, so he may be ready for
    consideration of a place in the next few games if the injury situation
    doesn't abate. Davison has had an exploratory operation, but nothing
    untoward has been found, and he will resume training on Monday, with a
    possible permanent move to Derby on the cards.
    
    Tranmere Rovers (TGD) are visitors to Elland Rd on Tue 29 Oct in Round
    3 of the R Cup, not an easy match, but it could have been much worse.
    The only top of Div 1 clash is Coventry vs the Arse.
    
    jb.
33.103WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringThu Oct 10 1991 13:072
    The bad thing about the draw for you Leeds fans is that you can expect
    an outbreak of Cunnovitis in this topic.
33.104Oh goodyBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Oct 10 1991 13:235
    I can't wait.
    
    jb.
    
    PS Is 'Cunnovitis' catching ?
33.105KING ALDO!ESSB::TJORDANThu Oct 10 1991 13:305
     yes folks it is
     just watch tga and co beat you lot of the park in the next round .
                                                      rgds,
                                                       Tony.
    
33.106In the next month ...BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Oct 10 1991 16:1123
    Leeds now have 10 days off, apart from Batty, Dorigo, Strachan and
    MCAllister, who are on international duty. This will be needed, as
    injuries have started to take their toll. Notts C (a) is the next game,
    followed by 3 home games, Nottm F in the ZDS Cup (att 4,000), also live
    on Sky Sports, Oldham in the League, and Tranmere of TGD fame in the
    R Cup. Not as bad a group of fixtures as the past few weeks ! 6 points
    from the league games is expected, as is progression in the 2 Cup
    Competitions. No doubt the Pontin's League sides will be out for Forest
    and Leeds in the Noddy Cup - I wonder for how much longer this
    competition will go on for - I don't expect any Premier League clubs
    will be entering it next year. The R Cup will be harder, Tranmere are
    doing reasonably well in Div 2, but the game at Leeds will be their
    toughest game to date this season.
    
    The R Cup format may have to be changed, the first rounds do not
    generate the crowds like a sudden death game do, if a Div 4 side gete
    beaten in the 1st leg, then nobody will watch the 2nd leg whwn they
    finally get dispatched 6-1 or something. A sudden death affair will be
    better, and allow more smaller clubs to progress, which will give them
    a boost for the rest of the season (a good cup run is make or break to
    some clubs).
    
    jb.
33.107We need the breathing spaceGIDDAY::PARSONSAround the World in 50 daysFri Oct 11 1991 07:339
    
    This break has come at a good time for Leeds. Hopefully Strachan,
    McAllister and the other injuries will clear up now. 
    
    I saw the Sheff Utd game on TV over here and Shutt's backpass was
    one of the worst I have ever seen. He was obviously making sure HW
    never picks him for defence, no matter how bad the injury situation !
    
    Leeds fan down under
33.108TOTH::CHAVESFri Oct 11 1991 16:368
    Ref: .103
    > The bad thing about the draw for you Leeds fans is that you can
    expect an outbreak of Cunnovitis in this topic.
    
    Not to worry Leeds fans. It appears that short term exposure to 
    Malta sunlight cures the disease.
    
    JC
33.109York tonightBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Oct 14 1991 11:5912
    United take a 'strong team' to York tonight, to play in a memorial
    match for David Longhurst, the York player who died during a match at
    Bootham Crescent last year. All first teamers bar the Internationals
    (Batty, Dorigo, Strachan, NcAllister and Speed) are expected to play.
    HW is in Birmingham today, chairing the initial meeting of the
    Managers' Association - they are planning to draw up a code of conduct
    to stop managers slagging one another off (or Lunchtime O'Booze
    ghosting the 'story') in the press.
    
    No footy at the weekend - it felt strange ...
    
    jb.
33.110NewsBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Oct 15 1991 11:1510
    York 2 Leeds United XI 2
    
    Chapman and Hodge scored.
    
    Bill Fotherby the Leeds United Commercial Manager has been asked to
    serve on a Super league Commitee that are looking into sponsorship, TV
    rights and money extraction from fans. He has a good track record in
    all these !
    
    jb.
33.111One in, one out.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Oct 15 1991 15:583
    Batty is in the England side vs Turkey, Dorigo loses out to Pearce.
    
    jb.
33.112Back to the LeagueBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Oct 18 1991 12:4024
    Back to the hard Div 1 graft tomorrow, vs Notts County at Meadow Lane.
    Not an easy fixture, but a win is expected, and (hopefully) the Arse
    and the Mancs drawing, it will put us 2 points nearer the top, and 2
    points away from the Arse. On the injury front, only Haddock is a long
    way away from a full recovery, Kamara has had 2 reserve games, Wallace
    is training and will be ready for the reserves in a week, McAllister,
    Strachan and Fairclough are fit, so Wilko will have selection
    'problems' - I expect Fairclough to start and McClelland to sub along
    with Shutt, McAllister, Strachan, Batty and Hodge being midfield with
    Chapman and Speed up front. Whyte, Dorigo and Sterland will start at
    the back.
    
    9 points should be possible from the next 3 league games, Notts C (a),
    Oldham (h) and the Wombles (a).
    
    Friday prediction, 2-1 to Leeds tomorrow.
    
    Tuesday sees the ZDS Cup at Elland Rd, live on Sky, so I'll be an
    armchair attendee (or will I ? - it's much better live). Forest provide
    the opposition, so the game may be taken seriously, 'Ol Big Head
    usually likes to win. A close result is to be expected, with the tie
    possibly going to penalties.
    
    jb.
33.113Thoughts on Nott county tomorrow.XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Oct 18 1991 15:119
I expect a win from tomorrows game against Notts County. A 1-0 result would 
do nicely with the BIG GAME ending in a 0-0 draw. As JB said in the last note 
its two points closer the filth and 2 further away from the arse. 

The rest will have done the lads no harm at all. Feels so long since we have 
had a game.


                             James. 
33.114Another away win ...GIDDAY::PARSONSAround the World in 50 daysMon Oct 21 1991 02:3012
    
    Notts Co  (1) 2   Leeds United  (2) 4
                      Chapman, Hodge, McAllister,
                      Speed (not necessarily in that order).
    
    Good result. To score 4 away from home in the 1st Division is good
    going. It seems the midfield/attack is scoring at will, shame about
    the defence being a bit leaky (I suppose if all the midfielders are
    attacking then they can't be defending as well).
    
    The Man Utd/Arsenal result was a help as well. Still there is a long
    way to go yet ...
33.1152 points away from the top.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Oct 21 1991 11:1926
    3 points away from home, and 4 goals as well. County took the lead on
    13 minutes, and they were very frantic in the 1st 15 minutes, Gary Lund
    (on the transfer list) was the scorer. Leeds equalised with a Chapman
    header, and then Hodge added a 2nd, making it 2-1 at half time. County
    were quite lively, and Lukic was kept busy. Chapman was subbed at 1/2
    time, he has injured his back. McAllister came on as sub, Whyte got a
    3rd, McAllister a 4th in the first 7 minutes of the 2nd half. By this
    time, the County defence was looking ragged, and they were attempting
    to kick anything that moved, McAllister was stretchered off in the 70th
    minute with a bad ankle injury, Speed also got a knock. County pulled
    one back to make it 4-2, but there was only ever going to be 1 result.
    Further good news came from OT, a 1-1 draw there putting us 2 points
    behind the Mancs, and 4 above 3rd placed Man City. If the Mancs draw at
    Wednesday on Saturday, we go top if we beat Oldham by 3 clear goals.
    
    ZDS Cup Action is next at Elland Road tomorrow (Tuesday), Leeds meet
    Nottingham Forest, it is live on Syy Sport. I don't know what sort of
    team will trot out, but it will be minus McAllister for sure. Another
    good spot on Saturday was Chris Kamara being back in action, he came on
    to sub the sub McAllister, Kamara is a real fighter and committed player.
    
    I hope Leeds can progress to the next round of the ZDS cup, it may not
    be a wonderful competition, but at least United can keep their momentum
    up.
    
    jb.
33.116More injuries...BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Oct 21 1991 15:417
    McAllister has aggravated the ankle injury that sidelined him for the
    Sheff U, Scotland, Scunthorpe and most of the Notts C games - he might
    be out for another couple of games. Speed (Calf) and Chapman (back
    strain) are also very doubtful. I wonder if Wilko will give Kelly a run
    out against Forest tomorrow ?
    
    jb.
33.117Kelly who?REPAIR::JAMANIMon Oct 21 1991 19:3810
    
    
    
    JB
    
    
    Who is Kelly?
    
    
    S
33.118ZDS cup, tonight vs. Forest.XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverTue Oct 22 1991 13:349
Should be interesting to see what team HW puts out tonight as the ZDS ( or 
whatever its called now ) cup probably isn't top of his list of things to win 
this season. However he should put out a team good enough to beat Forest and 
give a run to some of our many injured players and even introduce some youngsters
to the fold.

Prediction 3-1 to Leeds.

                        James.
33.119Forest in the ZDS Cup Live on Sky tonightBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Oct 22 1991 13:4615
    Kelly is a 17 year old signed from Home Farm of Dublin over the
    syummer. He has emerged as a regular goalscorer in the reserves, and
    may get a run out as sub tonight vs Forest. Chappo and McAllister are
    definetely out, Speed will have a late fitness check. Speed has played
    in the last 87 games without missing 1 (through injury, he has been sub
    on several occasions). Chappo has gone 47 games without missing one.
    Forest will have a bee in their ear from Saturday, so it won't be a
    pushover, I hope for a 2-1 margin, or even 5-4 on penalties a.e.t. Live
    coverage starts on Sky Sport at 7pm, KO is at 7.30pm, the crowd will be
    about 5,000.
    
    League action recommences at Elland Road on Saturday, with Oldham
    Athletic the visitors. Hopefully Chappo and McAllister will be fit.
    
    jb.
33.120DUCK::WILSOND1Tue Oct 22 1991 15:156
    
     I'll wager it wont be as good as the last ZDS cup game on SKY...
    
           The 6-6 draw between Newcastle and Tranmere.
    
    Dave...
33.121Leeds XI vs Forest XIBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Oct 22 1991 15:3711
    Injury News :-
    
    Strachan faces a late test, as do Speed and Hodge. Other crocks are
    MCClelland, Chapman, McAllister, Varadi and long term Haddock. Wallace
    may return after his groin operation, he's been training, but is short
    of match practice.
    
    On a brighter note, the game at Villa on 23 Nov has been put back to
    Sun 24 Nov, it will be live on ITV's 'The Match' - kick off 3pm.
    
    jb.
33.122Out of the ZZZZZZZZZDS CupBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Oct 23 1991 11:1437
    Leeds 1 	Forest 3
    Wallace	Sheringham 2
    		AN Other
    
    The first home defeat of the season. The team was :-
    
    Lukic
    Sterland (Rod Wallace)
    Whyte
    Fairclough
    Dorigo
    Batty
    Newsome (Grayson)
    Kamara
    Shutt
    Speed
    Snodin
    
    Not exactly the first team, and they didn't play well, which wasn't a
    surprise. Missing a midfield of Strachan, McAllister and Hodge and
    Chapman up front tends to take a bit away from the team...
    
    To their credit, Forest played well, soaked up a lot of pressure, and
    scored on the break, and were worth their 3-1 win. A 'crowd' of 6,700
    turned up, I watched it at home live on the box.
    
    Hopefully, the injuries to Chappo and Co. will have cleared up by
    Saturday, and 3 points will be taken from the Oldham game. Leeds' squad
    still isn't as deep as the Arse's or the Mancs, so time and money will
    have to be spent doing this.
    
    Wallace looked good on his comeback, and scored a goal to make it 2-1,
    and Leeds looked OK, but then Forest got a third and the game was out
    of reach. So it's goodbye to the Noddy Cup forever - I don't think it
    will be back next season.
    
    jb.
33.123Bing on Song in ZDS!!!CAILIN::MJGREANEYThu Oct 24 1991 12:136
    re:-1
    	
    	"An other" was none other than......Gary Crosby.
    
    
    M.J.
33.124Our time has come to lead the Pack.XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Oct 25 1991 13:0210
I expect fully that Leeds will be leading the 1st division tomorrow evening after
we give oldham a good licking 6-2 (-; . The filth will go down to Wednesday who
are having a good season. Anybody know what the current injury list is, it's
nearly as long as Liverpools but look where they are. 

Great to see Wallace score on Tuesday hopefully the first of many this season. He
May solve the problem of a top class striker along side Chappie as long as he 
stays fit.

                          James.
33.125Possible Team for tomorrowBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Oct 25 1991 13:2116
    From what I heard on the Radio this morning, McAllister and McClelland
    are out, Strachan, Hodge and Chapman are expected to be fit enough for
    inclusion in the squad, as is Wallace, who played on Wed night in the
    reserves in the 1-1 draw away at Bolton.
    
    Probable line up is Lukic, Sterland, Dorigo, Whyte, Fairclough,
    Strachan, Batty, Hodge, Speed, Chapman, Wallace. Subs Shutt, Williams
    
    All that matters tomorrow is a win, the bigger the better, and hope
    that our Yorkshire pals down the M1 take 3 points off Man U. 
    
    Other teams in 3rd to 6th place have tough games (apart from the Arse),
    and points could be dropped, it could be that Man U and ourselves open
    up a 5 point gap above the chasing pack.
    
    jb.
33.126After 17 years - we're back at the top !BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Oct 28 1991 12:3542
    Leeds 1 Oldham 0
    
    Not a good game but LEEDS GO TOP.
    
    For the first time in 17 years, Leeds United lead the Football League.
    The last time they held that position was in 1974, when they won the
    title (that is 7 (seven) years after a certain team South West of
    Leeds over some hills last had that honour). Although the season is
    only a 1/3 over, it is an acheivement. There is still a long way to go,
    but we'll see what happens - all Leeds need to do is keep on winning
    ;-) .
    
    The match itself was a rather dull affair, Oldham proving yet again
    they are a handful, indeed it was Oldham who had the better chances in
    the 1st half, Kilcline having a shot turned onto the bar by Lukic,
    Holden missing a couple. Kilcline had a good game till 70 minutes when
    he scored a super own goal, a McAllister cross was put past Hallworth
    by Kilcline, if he had missed it, Chapman would have had it in.
    Kilcline did a good marking job on Chapman, climbing all over him etc.
    Leeds improved after the goal, and did not look in too much difficulty.
    
    Kamara replaced Speed, who has damaged ankle ligaments, and Strachan
    went off after 80 minutes, replaced by Shutt. Wallace started, but
    wasn't too effective, Hodge may have to have a groin operation, the
    injury list grows and grows.
    
    Kamara could be on his way to Luton for #150,000, the price has been
    agreed, and so have personal terms, but Wilko may want to keep onto him
    for a while till the injury situation improves. Kamara is a popular
    player with the fans, he gives his all and gets stuck in when needed.
    If he does go, then good luck to him, he will help Luton possibly avoid
    relegation !
    
    Tomorrow is Tranmere (and TGD) in the R Cup, I hope Leeds get through
    this hoop, it will be Tranmere's hardest test this season. I expect a
    3-1 scoreline to Leeds.
    
    Wombles away on Sat, a win would be nice. There will be more Leeds fans
    than Wombles, so it could be like a home game. A win will keep us top
    for at least 2 more weeks :-)
    
    jb.
33.127Tranny tonight and I smell TGAXSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverTue Oct 29 1991 12:1911
TGA at Elland tonight and he will find out what its really like in the first 
division. Something he will not savour! It easy scoring goals against 2nd and 3th
division nobodies and penalties my granny wouldn't miss but its something else
scoring against class first division outfits. I see Leeds winning 2-0 with Aldo 
not getting a look in, not even his usual penalty diving session.

So much for our injury list lengthening. Where will it end? With the title I 
hope.

                         James.
             
33.128The arrival of TGD.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Oct 29 1991 12:2917
    Hodge is to see a specialist about his groin strain that has been
    troubling him for the last 2 weeks. It is possible he may need an
    operation, thus keeping him out of the team till Christmas. Speed won't
    play tonight, due to an ankle ligament injury, it is possible he hay be
    in contention for Saturday's game vs the Womlles. On the bright side,
    McAllister, Strachan, Chapman, Wallace and Sterland all came through 
    Saturday's game without any further injuries.
    
    Tranmere will be trying their hardest tonight, to beat the team at the
    top of the tree is always a great motivator, but I expect Leeds United
    to be in the hat for the draw tomorrow night. 7-0 or something would be
    nide, but I expect a 2-1 or something close. TGD will need watching, as
    will his scoring partner. If Leeds get 2-0 up quickly, Tranmere could
    cave in, but I doubt it. No more injuries though - the 3 points at
    Wimbledon on Sat is more important !
    
    jb.
33.129Hodge may be playing tonight !BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Oct 29 1991 16:537
    Better news on the injury front - Hodge doesn't need an operation, and
    he could be in contention for a place tonight if he passes a late
    fitness test.
    
    The Mancs note subscribers look to be getting rattled !
    
    jb.
33.130ALDO TO DESTROY SHEEP SH@#$ERS.ESSB::MCUNNIFFEI MET THE GREAT ALDOTue Oct 29 1991 20:1722
    
    Re .127,
           James,
                You obviously don't know your Aldo history when you
    discount his marvellous achievements both in England and in Spain.
    Aldo had huge success at Liverpool and Spain playing in F.A. cup
    finals, playing and scoring against Real Madrid and Barcelona at the
    Bernabeua and New Camp stadia and if he can't hit the net against a 
    bunch of sheep sh@#$ers at pokey Elland road, then maybe the greatest
    striker that the modern era has seen is in decline.
        Wilkinson had the chance to sign a lethal striker in the summer but
    failed to snap Aldo up and when Leeds fail to finish in the top three,
    they will rue the fact that not signing the great one was their
    downfall because despite his goals last season, Chapman lacks one
    fundamental element that all great strikers need i.e., ability.
    Elland road has seen some fine players of the past( and I don't mean
    the physical plodders of the seventies like Bremner, Giles, Gray,
    Cooper, Lorimar, Madeley) e.g. when Liverpool used to visit there in
    the sixties and seventies before Leeds went back where they belong, the
    second div. but tonight Leeds folk will have another spectacle, the
    presence of THE GREAT ALDO.
    
33.131Why is he playing for Tranmere?SIOG::SPENCERPeter SpencerTue Oct 29 1991 20:265
    Martin,
    
    How do you account for Grimey Sourpuss's failure to snap up TGA and his
    preference of paying megabucks for Saunders? Does GS know something
    about TGA that you don't know (or can't see)?
33.132RUTILE::CAMPBELLReal ponies don't go oink!Wed Oct 30 1991 10:398
    Cunno,
    
    	And how do you account for the fact that TGA hasn't scored many
    goals in the second division this year, and Tranmere aren't doing very
    well at all yet!.
    
    Stevo.
    
33.133Leeds through, but did TGD score ?TRUCKS::SANTWed Oct 30 1991 11:186
    
    	Well you did beat Tranny 3-1 last night...but guess who got the 1 ?
    
    	Yup. TGD !! 8-)
    
    	Andy.
33.134Chappie 222222222 TGA 111111111XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverWed Oct 30 1991 12:0411
Leeds 3      Tranny  1       ( H-T 0-0 )

Chappie 2    TGA 1
Shutt

Seems like Tranny gave us a good work out last night. Took a 2 goal lead and TGA
struck back but Shutt made it safe near the end. BBC 5 said that Tranny could 
have been 3 up at half time if they had a finisher!


                            James.
33.135TGAESSB::SONEILLWed Oct 30 1991 12:047
    HOward WIlkinson could have done a lot worse than signing TGA.
    I believe the great man had a personal preference to return to the
    Liverpool area.   Hitting the 20 mark before end of October in
    all competitions is no mean achievement.  And no Martin isn't standing
    over my head...
    
    Shane
33.136TGD and Tranmere OUT OUT OUTBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Oct 30 1991 13:0430
    Leeds 3  Tranmere 1
    Chappo 2 Aldridge
    Shutt
    
    A game of 2 halves this - Tranmere were the better side in the 1st half,
    but couldn't put their chances away. Leeds were very strong 5 minutes
    before the break, after Nixon had been booked, and was rattled. Nixon
    went down feigning injury after collecting a cross with Chapman around,
    he was motionless on the ground, but Shutt tapped the ball out of his
    hands, and he got up very quickly, and the ref booked him. Whyte hit a
    35 yarder that hit the bar, went up for 35 yards or so , which gave
    Nixon time to recover and boot it out again. In the 2nd half, Leeds
    looked a totallly different side, and Tranmere were hanging on, but
    looking dangerous on the break. A Sterland-Chapman combination made it
    1-0 after 68 minutes, a simailar combination made it 2-0 after 81. TGD
    (admittedly one of the better players on the pitch in the first half) then
    made it 2-1, and Tranmere sensed they could make something of the tie,
    but were kept out. Shutt got a 3rd in injury time, he was fouled, but
    instead of wasting time, got up quickly, Strachan threaded a cheeky
    free kick to him, and Shutt slotted it past a bemused Nixon to make it
    3-1.
    
    In the 2nd half, Tranmere missed Steel, who was climbing all over
    Chapman, and once Leeds started getting the ball wide and crossing to
    Chapman, they looked very good.
    
    So into the next round - anybody at home will do. I wonder if Leeds can
    go one step further this year and win it ?
    
    jb.
33.137InjuriesBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Oct 30 1991 13:077
    Injury News - Hodge aggravated his groin injury last night, it may now
    be he needs an operation .... He collided with Nixon, the Tranny
    goalie. Kamara played instead, and had a good game. Wallace went off
    (knackered) after 80 mins, Williams replaced him. Hodge os doubtful for
    Saturday vs the Wombles.
    
    jb.
33.138What injuries??? WELCLU::CADDI got a T.V., you got a T.V.Wed Oct 30 1991 19:0111
    
    
      Jon i believe the draw for the next round is not tonight but live on
    Saint & Greavsie on saturday. Which means i will miss it as i will be
    travelling to the Wombles game @ Selhurst.
    
    On some other injury news Batty had to go into hospital on tuesday due
    to an ankle infection which has turned nasty. Wilko was quite worried
    it might be long term but was informed it would not be.Still it's
    another injury we could do without good job it's occurred at a time
    when we are playing the likes of Wimbledon & QPR. 
33.139Wombles of WimbledonBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Oct 30 1991 19:1115
    The likes of Wimbledon and QPR (and Tranmere) are not to be taken
    lightly. 90+ minutes of pressure must be applied to them, and no let up
    - else they have a nasty habit of grabbing a late equaliser / winner
    (remember Palace got a winner in the 95th minute od a League match !) I
    suppose 3 points are there for the  taking vs both of them - I hope so.
    The Mancs have a less than easy game vs Sheff Utd on Sat - then a hard
    fixture vs Ateletico Madrid the week after, as well as a less than
    trivial visit by Pompey tonight. 3 points on Sat, and our close rivals
    failing to win please.
    
    I don't watch Saint and Greavsie, if the weather's good, I'll be out
    videoing steam engines, an I might go to The Shay to watch mighty
    Halifax take on the even mightier Burnley.
    
    jb.
33.140YUPPY::PANESThe Taking of Peckham 1-2-3Thu Oct 31 1991 11:5112
    <<< Note 33.139 by BAHTAT::BLYTHE "Ee bah gum th's trouble at t'mill" >>>
                           -< Wombles of Wimbledon >-

>    (remember Palace got a winner in the 95th minute od a League match !) I


     In the words of the late great Maurice Chevalier
    
     "Ah yes, I remember it well"


     Stuart
33.141Win on Sat.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Oct 31 1991 14:5118
    Batty has a foot infection, a legacy of his England game 2 weeks ago,
    it has become infected and swollen, and he is receiving antibiotics to
    try to fix it. If it works, he should be playinmg Saturday. Speed is
    also expected to be fit. Hodge isn't, and an operation may be necessary
    (again). 
    
    A low crowd will be at Selhurst on Sat, to see the Wombles get beaten 2
    or 3 - 1. There will be more Leeds United fans there than Wimbledon,
    but there won't be too much atmosphere. Most people will be at home in
    front of the fire watching the Rugby.
    
    So, 2-1 to Leeds on Sat, Sheff U to upset the Mancs by drawing 2-2 at
    Old Trafford, The Arse to bounce back 2-0, Sheff Wed to draw, and Man
    City to lose.
    
    Off to Basingstoke -sur -mer tomorrow.
    
    jb.
33.142kamara soldREPAIR::JAMANIThu Oct 31 1991 16:1014
33.143YesBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Oct 31 1991 16:165
    Kamara will be on his way, but Wilko may keep him for a week or two to
    as cover during the current injury crisis. kamara is a good player who
    gives his all, and will be a boost to Luton.
    
    jb.
33.144goneBLKPUD::WATTERSONPThu Oct 31 1991 17:086
    
    re Kamara
    
    Teletext at lunchtime claimed he had just signed.
    
    Paul
33.145KamaraBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Oct 31 1991 17:153
    I'll listern to Radio Leeds this evening & look in the EP.
    
    jb.
33.146At last ! Top of the pile (for the moment) ...GIDDAY::PARSONSAround the World in 50 daysFri Nov 01 1991 05:179
    
    Well I've got my newspaper cutting of the 1st Division table ...
    I just hope that it won't be the year 2008 before I see the
    table like that again  :-)
    
    It's good to see Leeds still winning even with several players
    carrying injuries, but I think it will cost them in the end. Has
    it been decided yet where England's second UEFA Cup slot is going,
    to 3rd in Division 1 or the Rumbelows Cup Winners ?
33.148Rumbelows get the 2nd UEFA spot.XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Nov 01 1991 14:5011
Re 33.146

I think the the second spot goes to the winners of the Rumbelows cup.

Don't be so unoptimistic about the state of Leeds yet. There is a good squad and
even though there are a few injuries we can still go all the way and prove the
doubters wrong with Leeds on top of the tree come May time. 

Oh ye of little faith.

                              James.
33.149Leeds before the Mancs.ESSB::MCUNNIFFEAldo too good for 2nd Div.Fri Nov 01 1991 15:597
    
    Leeds will not have the staying power to be top of the league come May. 
    The going will prove too tough for them but still, if Liverpool were
    not to win the league, then I would prefer Leeds to win ahead of the 
    Mancs.
     
        Cunno
33.150Thanks Cunno.XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Nov 01 1991 16:085
Re .-1

Thanks your faith is comforting.

                     James.
33.151Time Out for injuries ...GIDDAY::PARSONSAround the World in 50 daysMon Nov 04 1991 04:4818
    
    Wimbledon 0 Leeds United 0
    
    Oh well, off the top. At least we have 2 weeks to get players
    over their injuries. It seems Liverpool and Arsenal are determined
    to leave this seasons fight for the title to Yorkshire & Manchester !
    
    We keep our records against Wimbledon intact, if nothing else;
    
    Never lost to Wimbledon.
    Never conceded a goal against Wimbledon while in the 1st Division.
    
    re: a few back
    I do think it's possible that Leeds will be champions, but I would
    still make one or two other teams more likely to finish top. Having
    said that it would make a change for the title to go to Manchester
    or Yorkshire, after spending the last 10 seasons in Merseyside or
    North London.
33.152ZzzzzzBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Nov 04 1991 14:1218
    A performance devoid of excitement, energy and passion....
    
    Wombles 0 Leeds 0
    
    HW's words appear avbove. Not a good display, but a point away. HW said
    the team was jaded, and they needed a break. The next game is 16 Nov,
    home to QPR, so some of the players can take a rest.
    
    Batty missed the game, his foot is srill causing him trouble, but he
    should be fit for the England game next Wed. 
    
    Mo Johnstone has been linked with Leeds, Rangers are wanting 2 million,
    but I don't think HW will buy at that price. Merson is supposed to be
    going to Rangers, so maybe Rangers want to offload Johnstone. I don't
    know how he will fit in at Leeds, he is a p*ss artist apparently, not
    the sort of player that HW wants at Leeds.
    
    jb.
33.153YUPPY::PANESLets hear it for Jim Bob and FruitbatMon Nov 04 1991 14:378
   Call me old fashioned, but WTF did they make the game all ticket?


   Stuart

   A casual fan, who supports the Palace who ( stop me if I mentioned this
   before ) beat Liverpool last Saturday.
33.154What does ---> WTF <--- mean.XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverMon Nov 04 1991 14:590
33.155A clue?ANNECY::ROWLAND_Aa slip of the tongueMon Nov 04 1991 15:131
    If 'W' = what, or why, and 'T' = the ...
33.156ARTICLE ON LEEDSREPAIR::JAMANIMon Nov 04 1991 16:0920
    
    
    
    Just read in the Daily Mail that HW feels the players are totally
    'knackered'.  He has told them to not come back to Elland Road until
    Thursday and in fact not even to think about football!.
    
    HW is also quoted as saying that he did not want to enter the ZDS Cup
    but was 'persuaded' by thre officials from the League to do do.  He now
    regrets changing his mind and is I am sure thank ful of being knocked
    out so early.
    
    The article basically slags Leeds off as showing 'precious little'  in
    confirming themselves as First Division leaders.  The title for the
    article is "Strain shows on tired Wilkinson as high stakes fail to lift
    Leeds".
    
    S
    
    
33.157R Cup vs EvertonBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Nov 05 1991 13:186
    Leeds have drawn Everton (a) in the R Cup. The tie will be played on
    Wed 4 Dec, we play Everton at home on Sat 30 Dec ! Not an easy game,
    hopefully they will go through to the next round. The draw was a
    shambles, Saint and Greavsie are a couple of %&^%$^%&s.
    
    jb.
33.158Typo ...BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Nov 05 1991 13:196
    re .157 
    
    For Sat 30 Dec read Sat 30 Nov.
    
    jb.
    
33.159ASKFOR::HAIGHStill hazy after all these beersTue Nov 05 1991 13:216
    
    	That's the second comment about the draw, what were these 2 clowns
    up to?
    
    
    		Steve
33.160Dick head's draw.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Nov 05 1991 13:268
    R Cup Draw :-
    
    This was live on the ITV 'Saint and Greavsie' football preview show.
    They turned it into a farce, with Jimmy Greaves pulling out a string of
    multicoloured flags half way through, and cracking stupid jokes / inane
    comments throughout.
    
    jb.
33.161Timing out ?SUBURB::GROOMNThe Renault 5 are innocent - OK !Tue Nov 05 1991 13:318
    
    As well as all the clowning, did anyone else notice how the teams 
    appeared on the screen before the ball was pulled from the bag.  I
    thought it may have been due to a few post/pre rugby beers that had
    been consumed but alas my companions verified this.
    
    
    Nev.
33.162Hospital Bulletin.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Nov 05 1991 19:0611
    Batty is out of hospital, and has been chosen for the England squad,
    along with Dorigo. Batty will probably get a game, Dorigo will be over
    for Pearce. Strachan and McAllister are in the Scotland 'mission
    impossible' squad, and Speed in the Welsh. All the others have got a
    few days off till next Tuesday, but they all have flu jabs on Thursday.
    
    No further news on the Johnstone rumour - I think it was all made up
    anyway, although it was mentioned on Radio 5 and BBC Radio Leeds - not
    normally noted for outlandish reports.
    
    jb.
33.163Hodge banned and finedBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Nov 07 1991 18:5811
    Steve Hodge has been banned for 1 game and fined #1,800 for commernts
    made to the ref after the reversal at Crystal Palcce. He felt that the
    free kick awarded was an aberration by the ref, and told him so (or
    words similar ;-) )
    
    No footie at Elland Rd this w/e - that's 2 bare weekends in a few weeks
    - going to b*gger up my Sat afternoon, no jumping up and down at Elland
    Road, or fighting to receive Radio Leeds up in the Dales for the
    commentary.
    
    jb.
33.164Batty and SaundersBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Nov 08 1991 12:079
    Batty has had to withdraw from the England squad, his infected ankle
    (injury received during the last England game) is not yet right. There
    is renewed speculation in this morning's press that Dean Saunders may
    be on his way to Elland Road at about #3 million, he hasn't got the
    avalanche of goals expected of him at Anfield, or is it the rats
    leaving the sinking ship ? The Leeds United chairman, Leslie Silver,
    denies anything of it, so it could be true ;-)
    
    jb.
33.165Saunders for $3,000,000?XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Nov 08 1991 13:3810
I would be shocked it Leeds bought Saunders for even remotely that sort of money.
It would be a momunental mistake as no player is worth $3 million in my humble
opinion. What has he done this year? Scored a few goals, yes, but not the kind 
that a club would pay of telephone numbers for. 

So if he does come and wins the league for us on his OWN, is the league 
championship worth 3 million to a club or what.


                            James.
33.166HelloYUPPY::HOGANThe 91/92 Champions, Don't doubt it!Fri Nov 08 1991 13:3920
       Intro: My name is Paul Hogan, honest I was born before he was
    fameous, and although I have only been to three games thus far I
    am becomming a little disheartened with the un-optimistic attitude
    of  my fellow LEEDS noters. I went to see their recent away game with
    Wimbledon and although it was far from a vintage performance i could
    see flashes of true class freom the likes of messers Strachan,
    McAllister, and in particular Chris Fairclough who was as usual
    outstandingly solid in defence and damn near scored with a header from
    a corner. If Leeds can manage to play for 90 mins( as opposed to
    88mins) and not concede late goals then they WILL win the league!
       
         This morning I read of Saunders possibly comming to Leeds,
    anything over 1.8 million will be a waste as there is an abundence of
    top class strikers in the country. I,m glad the Arse and Moanchester
    are out of Europe so they can give us a run for our money with no
    silly excusses.
    
                          Croc.
    
    
33.167Hello from LeedsBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Nov 08 1991 13:4714
    Welcome to the Leeds United note, Paul.
    
    I wouldn't say we were pessimistic, just realistic. Leeds are one or 2
    players short at the moment (striker and a replacement full back to
    cover Dorigo / Sterland), but they have been stratched by injuries and
    fatigue in the last few games. I expect the Div 1 leadership to chop
    and change between us and the Mancs for a few weeks, the Mancs tend to
    be at home when we are away and vice versa. 3 points from QPR in a
    weeks time will be OK, the 2 Mancs are playing one another that day I
    think (Draw), so we could go top again. The other league contenders
    (Mancs, Arse, Liverpool, Sheff Wed, Villa) are not superteams - they
    can be beaten.
    
    jb.
33.168Merson or Saunders?REPAIR::JAMANIFri Nov 08 1991 15:5011
33.169Will he / won't he ?BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Nov 08 1991 16:436
    Leslie Silver has again said Leeds don't want Liverpool cast offs,
    maybe it's a smoke screen, but Leeds were very annoyed by Cap'n Bob's
    (decd) antics, and Saunders' wish to play for a run of the mill 1st
    division team.
    
    jb.
33.170What did Cap'n Bob do.XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverMon Nov 11 1991 12:206
Re .-1 

What did the (decd) Cap'n Bob do for those of us that missed it.


                       James.
33.171Cap'n Bob / XfersBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Nov 11 1991 12:3112
    Cap'n Bob.
    
    Leeds bid 3 million for Saunders in the Summer, but Cap'n Bob used this
    as a basis to hike the price up. Leeds then pulled out of the deal,
    eventually Saunders went to the no-hopers of Anfield.
    
    Latest rumour re new striker is McClair, who could be freed by Man U if
    they get Sherarer - or it could be fiction to fill up the back pages of
    the Sunday Gutter Press.
    
    jb.
    
33.172Striker under nosesYUPPY::HOGANThe 91/92 Champions, Don't doubt it!Mon Nov 11 1991 14:133
         If Leeds really are in dire need of a top class striker who is
       fast and snoops around the box then why did they put Bobby Davison
       on the transfer list?
33.173DavisonBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Nov 11 1991 14:194
    Davison wasn't good enough for Div 1.
    
    jb.
    
33.174There's only one Bill Wyman!!!WELSWS::CADDThe only way is up!!!Mon Nov 11 1991 22:5325
    
    
    On the outgoing market :-
    
           It's rumoured that Snodin has gone to Coventry and Williams has
    gone to Port Vale (again).
    
       For those of you that don't know, the Villa v Leeds game (24th Nov)
    is live on the match, probably with either Saint or 'Jimmy- (I'm not
    going to the England 25 year world cup squad Do 'cos i didn't play
    -Greaves' doing some sort of commentary.
    
       I think that it was a pity to see the Mancs and Arsenal go out of 
    European competitions, not from the point of view that i wanted them
    to do well, but in the interest of Leeds i.e. more games means more
    chance of injuries,tired players etc taking it's toll on
    teams wishing to make a serious assault on the championship.Having said
    that Leeds may well be in the same situation next year.
    
    
    
    
    P.C.
    
    
33.175James Greaves T.T.SIOG::SPENCERPeter SpencerTue Nov 12 1991 12:139
           <<< Note 33.174 by WELSWS::CADD "The only way is up!!!" >>>
                      -< There's only one Bill Wyman!!! >-
    
    In fairness to the old buffoon, get your facts straight. Greaves told
    the organisers that he would not be attending as he never attends
    functions of this type where alcohol is served.
    
    Leeds in Europe? Nah, stick to what you know best. Good luck in the
    ZDS!
33.176"That old baboon"WELCLU::CADDProtect &amp; SurviveTue Nov 12 1991 18:1612
    
    
    
    Well depending on the press release that you read from which ever rag,
    you pays your money and takes your choice. Your info is probably as
    distorted as mine,so who is in the right   ???????  Certainly not the
    newpapers !!.  Only the man himself knows eh ???.
    
    P.C.
    
    
    
33.177SIOG::SPENCERPeter SpencerTue Nov 12 1991 18:222
    I had the misfortune to be in the same room as a tv showing the S+G
    show when I heard the great man say so himself.
33.178"Geoff Hat-trick Hurst"WELSWS::CADDThe only way is up!!!Tue Nov 12 1991 19:0710
    
    
    Prehaps he was enebriated at the time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    He lives just down the road from me in Great Baddow (Essex) i should go
    and ask !!!. Maybe he will invite me to his B-B-Q.
    
    P.C
    
33.179On the way back to the Top.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Nov 15 1991 12:1712
    Hodge is suspended, Strachan has a 50/50 chance of playing due to a
    back injury he picked up during training for the Scotland game. Batty
    should play, he played for the reserves in a 5-0 victory at West Brom,
    Varadi got 2 of the goals.
    
    I hope Christmas doesn't come early to Elland Road like it did last
    year, with United giving a 2-0 lead away, and Wegerle got the goal of
    the season. My prediction is 3-1 to Leeds, and Man City to beat Man Utd
    - no doubt that will be the R5 commentary game, and 10,000 trannies
    will be tuned to it towards the end of the game at Elland Road.
    
    jb.
33.180I remember it well !XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Nov 15 1991 14:4714
I remember it well going 2-0 up in the corresponding fixture last year and We
gifting them 3 goals to let them win. However that was the kick in the Arse we
needed as Leeds went unbeaten for the next 14 games, upto that debacle at Anfield
on new years day.

Prediction 2-0 with Leeds going 2 points clear tomorrow night. The Lads have had
their rest ands it's back to business again. Goals is all we need as I know that 
We won't concede many. I would like to see Wallace get a few to pay off some of 
the large outlay placed on him during the summer. One goal is simply not enough.


                               James "the believer".

P.S I believe we will win the league.
33.181Hotting up niceleyBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Nov 15 1991 15:038
    The top of the table is starting to look interesting, if MU win
    tomorrow (and assuming we do), then there is 5 points between 2nd and
    3rd - MC or Sheff Wed, they will draw on Sun I think. If MU lose/draw,
    then it's back to the top, but there is still the 2 or 3 points cushion
    over 3rd place. Next Sundays game at Villa will be set up nicely, as
    Villa are going well.
    
    jb.
33.182Top againXSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverSun Nov 17 1991 15:5123
Leeds          2  -  0        Q.P.R

Sterland      59           att 27,087
Wallace       62

Decent performance but Strachan was quiet. with the filth drawing we are back on 
top by 1 point. Clean sheet number 11 out of 20 games for the defence.

Team

                               Lukic

    Sterland         Fairclough         Whyte          Dorigo

         Strachan      Batty       Mcallister        Speed

                       Wallace      Chapman


With Villa winning their umpteenth game also yesterday, next Sundays game will be
a real test for the lads. 

                                    James.
33.183A dismal day in Leeds - livened up by the footie !BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Nov 18 1991 12:2937
    Leeds United 2 QPR 0
    
    A dismal grey and cold day in Leeds on Saturday, for those with a
    photographic bent, a camera set at a fortnight at f2 would about
    describe it. During the pre match warm up (several pints of Tetleys, a
    sarnie and a read of the Torygraph sports pages and Yorkshire Post) it
    was decided that Leeds were going to win 2-0, and the Mancs would
    cancel each other out. At the end of the day, this turned out to be the
    case, and the general comments on the bus down to Elland Road confirmed
    this - it was going to be Leeds' day, and they were heading back to the
    top.
    
    The match itself started at 100 mph, Leeds threatening to rip QPR
    apart, but not quite succeeding. Chapman had a chance in the 1st
    minute, but his first touch let him down, then QPR shot up to the other
    end and almost scored themselves. QPR then went quiet, and held on
    grimly. Half time came and went, great quantities of dysentry soup and BSE
    Pies were consumed by some of the less knowledgeable crowd. Sterland
    made it 1-0 on 59 minutes with a 35 yard free kick - taking a 'Mabbutt
    style' deflection and beating Steksjal, 3 minutes later, a hard hit
    corner from Strachan was prodded on by Sterland, and Wallace scrambled
    it over the line making it 2-0, and his first league goal. This time,
    it was going to stay at 2-0, and QPR weren't going to get 3 back and
    win. Leeds never looked like conceding a goal, and their victory was
    complete. 
    
    In all honesty, it wasn't a classic, but it was 3 points, and a
    comprehensive victory. The next game is Villa away on Sunday, live on
    the box, 1st vs 4th, and Villa are going well, 5 straight wins. A
    victory there will be great, and will keep Leeds United at the top of
    the pile. Hopefully, West Ham will do us a favour at Old Trafford on
    Saturday !
    
    Speed was carried off with ankle ligament problems, he was on crutches
    leaving the ground, no news of his injury at the moment though.
    
    jb.
33.184Injury newsBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Nov 19 1991 13:1014
    Speed's injury is a recurrence of the one he got the other week, it is
    expected he will be fit for the Villa game, as will Hodge (groin) and
    Shutt (thigh strain). Wilko will be able to pick from a complete squad
    for the first time in weeks. The only ever presents this season have
    been Lukic, Dorigo and Whyte, Wilko has been able to play an unchanged
    team on 1 occasion.
    
    Sunday's game will be an important one, Leeds winning will put them
    back at the top (it could be the Mancs may get a point on Sat, and will
    go top overnight), but they will be 8 points above 4th place - a nice
    gap could open up. Villa meet Nottm Forest in the ZDS Cup tonight,
    it'll be interesting to see them.
    
    jb.
33.185SHOWSEC man in goal but not secure!!!WELCLU::CADDProtect &amp; SurviveTue Nov 19 1991 18:0627
    
    
    jb,  I thought that the first 20 mins of the game is the best i have
    seen Leeds play all season (only missed 1 game). The passing around
    midfield and out to the wings was excellent. It was a pity the luck
    didn't seem to go our way as we should have been up to 3 by those first
    20 mins. Dorigo was in good form again norrowly missing from about 20
    yds. After that first onslaught by Leeds we let QPR settle, but we were
    patient and waited for our time to come, looking solid in defence
    (McClelland is fit again now isn't he?) with our goal difference getting
    better all the time.
    
    I still feel we need a striker as Chapman is struggling to put the
    goals away this season, 3 in 16 league games is hardly something to
    write home about, whereas Hodge has scored 5 in 5 games. it's not as if
    Chapman isn't getting the service either.
    
    
    Whilst at the game on saturday a Leeds  fan was heard exclamating
       " why are we at the top of the division when we have player in the
    team like that !!!!" to the sight of Varadi missing a sitter at the
    family stand end. Does it matter we are where it counts.
    
    Hope this poxy weather clears up before villa on sunday.
    
    p.c.
    
33.186Patience - not at Leeds !BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Nov 19 1991 18:2118
    True, Chapman isn't putting them in, but he's proving a handful for the
    defenders, alloing the midfield to nip in - goals are coming from every
    position this season - even D Batty Esq ! I hope Chapoman starts
    putting them in, we could do with another striker, but we are top, have
    scored the 3rd highest no of goals. Varadi isn't a top of Div 1 player,
    he's like Davison - scores a lot in the reserves, but isn't too sharp
    for the 1st's. 
    
    This season, the difference is the patience - last season, if the
    initial onslaught didn't bring any rewards, the rest of the game
    didn't, now they are more patient, and will take the chance when it
    presents itself. The next 4 games are a mixed bag, a hard away game at
    the Villa, home and away to Everton in the R Cup, and then away to the
    (probably) bottom team, Luton Town, where we lost last year, and they
    gave us a run for our money at Elland Road. 15 points from the next 7
    matches will do nicely ....
    
    jb.
33.187Hodge / VillaBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Nov 20 1991 16:318
    Hodge will play tonight in a reserve game vs Everton, to prove his
    fitness for Sundays gave vs Villa.
    
    Villa didn't look too good last night in the Noddy Cup, they had
    several players out injured / resting. They won't be a pushover come
    Sunday, but Leeds could get the 3 points - they need to !
    
    jb.
33.188Capacity / PredictionBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Nov 21 1991 18:3219
33.189Live TV dates.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Nov 21 1991 20:118
    It looks like the Leeds Man U game will be moved to Sunday 29 Dec, KO
    at 5.30 to suit the Telly Schedules. If this is a taste of the TV run
    Premier League ....
    
    The West Ham Leeds game is also a prime target for the Live game on New
    Years' Day, KO again 5.30 so as not to clash with any live live games.
    
    jb.
33.190Real test at Villa on Sunday.XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Nov 22 1991 14:499
If WHFC do us a favour tomorrow at MUFC, then we could go 4 points clear on 
Sunday evening. What a thought.

It's going to be a tough game with Villa having won their last 5 league games and
they're at home too! However I think that if Leeds fire on all cylinders with 
Strachan hopefully back in real form, then a 3-1 victory isn't out of the 
question.

                              James.
33.191Back on top with 4-1 win over Villa.XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverSun Nov 24 1991 20:1719
Villa         1   -   4         Leeds

Yorke 67                        Wallace 40
                                Sterland 46
                                Chapman 57,90

Just after watching Leeds take Villa to the cleaners with an extremely impressive
4-1 victory over a poor Villa side. Takes us over MUFC ( 1 point up ) with a 
better goal difference ( could come in important ). Leeds played very well with
Chapman and Strachan playing very well today. Trevor Francis gave the man of the
match to Dorigo who also played well. 

I think people are beginning to wake up to the fact that Leeds could win the 
title. It has become a bit irritating to keep hearing that Leeds aren't among the
leading challangers. Well if top of the heap after 17 games isn't a challanger
and a major force to be reckoned with, then what is?


                         James.
33.192Come on Leeds.ESSB::MCUNNIFFETHE GREAT ALDOMon Nov 25 1991 00:039
    
    Yes, Leeds were very impressive against Villa and I was so impressed
    with Strachan and McGrath who are showing what they never showed at OT,
    I always knew that the system at OT was faulty.
    A cracking header by Chapman at the end killed off Villa and if the
    Pool are not going to win the title, then I would like to see Leeds go
    all the way.
    
         Cunno 
33.193Everton and Paul Watterson next :-)GIDDAY::PARSONSAround the World in 50 daysMon Nov 25 1991 07:3210
    
    re: last
    
    well what can I say ? Top again, 4 goals away from home again
    (3rd time this season) and this against the '4th best' team,
    who had won their last 5 or 6 league games on the trot ... and
    the Great Cunno has kindly given us the league title ... :-)
    
    We seem to be getting better at this going top again lark ...
    first it was 17 years, then 3 weeks, now 24 hours  :-)
33.194ifs and butsESSB::BREEMon Nov 25 1991 11:2813
    Martin,
    
    
    "..if the pool are not going to win..."
    
    
    There's no ifs about it they're gone and very little loss.
    
    
    best wishes,
    
    
    Paul
33.195ASKFOR::HAIGHGeschwindigkeitsbegrenzung? What Geschwindigkeitsbegrenzung?Mon Nov 25 1991 12:037
    I saw 10 minutes of highlights on German TV yesterday and begrudgingly,
    I must admit, that Leeds looked good. (Although Villas defence was
    a awol a few times.) Strachan was brilliant, and proved 'exactly' what 
    he did at Old Trafford, that he's far to good for his current team! ;-)
    
    
    		Steve
33.196Entertaining StuffESSB::BLONGThe Scousers Trophy Cabinet is EmptyMon Nov 25 1991 12:077
33.197Villa soundly beaten.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Nov 25 1991 12:2858
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Report from my front room :-
    
    Villa 1 Leeds 4
    
    'We got our bottoms kicked' said Big Ron Atkinson as he saw his side
    taken apart by a rampant Leeds United. 'It was the best they have
    played since I came to Leeds Unites' said Howard Wilkinson. Villa
    applied some early pressure, but a shrewd tactical move by Wilkinson,
    putting Fairclough man to man on Daley, and McClelland played centre
    back with Whyte, allowing Sterland ad MoM Dorigo to push up into
    midfield paid off - Daley hardly got a look in. The deadlock was
    broken on 40, a Chapman header was parried by Sealey, and Wallace was
    were he was supposed to be, and put the ball over the line. Prior to
    that, Sealey had made some very good saves, one from Wallace was
    especially good. Lukic also made a couple of good saves, but Sealey was
    the busier of the two. At half time, the score was 1-0, and Leeds were
    looking good. 
    
    The half time tea and biscuits were duly served, a much better
    proposition that Elland Road BSE pies and dysentery soup.
    
    The 2nd half started as the first one left off - Leeds pressure. No
    hanging onto a 1 goal lead. After 1 1/2 minutes, Leeds got a corner,
    Sterland made it 2-0 with a header. Leeds practice set pieces a lot -
    many of their goals come from them. Leeds continued to press, and Villa
    were outplayed. Chapman made it 3-0 from another well-worked set piece,
    Starchan taking a short corner, making a run into the box, a hard low
    cross was side footed into the net by Chapman. Villa didn't give up the
    ghost (to their credit), and Dwight Yorke pulled one back. McGrath
    (good player, good performance) was booked for a professional foul on
    Wallace, Strachan appeared to ask the ref not to send him off, as
    Wallace wasn't through to goal with nobody to beat, Sealey was still in
    the way. Chapman wrapped it up on 90 with a 2nd.
    
    Leeds seem to keep their good performances for Villa, they were thumped
    4-1 at Elland Road in the R Cup, and 5-2 in the League.
    
    People have now twigged that Leeds are a force to be reckoned with, and
    they play very attractive football. The malelovance that some people
    reserved for Leeds is now starting to fall away, not before time. The
    Revie ghost has at last been laid.
    
    1 point ahead of 1 set of Mancs, 6 points ahead of the others in 3rd
    place. 9 points ahead of Villa in 4th place. Of the top teams, man U
    won, Man C, Arsenal, Sheff W drew. Palace and Villa lost. Leeds and Man
    U are starting to draw ahead, this could set up the 28 Dec game very
    niceley !
    
    jb.
33.198leeds (leeds leeds)KERNEL::HAWLEYIdo you mean 1400 patches?Mon Nov 25 1991 12:498
    re. 190 and 192
    
    excellent performance by Leeds but perhaps Martins performance was more
    impressive, in giving his unbiased report of the game!
    i too would prefer to see Leeds win the title than Man Utd, but it
    doesnt mean ive given up on Liverpool yet...
    Ian.
    
33.199Top againESSB::SONEILLMon Nov 25 1991 15:369
    JB,
    
    Like your concluding summary.  I had to remined a few fellow noters
    from 32 this morning that the league table didn't start at Man. United
    being x points ahead of Arsenal -:)  Seems like your paper starts
    at the top also.
    
    Cheers,
    Shane
33.200Neutral observations...MIACT::RANKINETue Nov 26 1991 21:2313
    Was impressed by Leeds on Sunday, and thought they looked good for a
    long haul at the title...be interesting to see how they look against
    sterner opposition...Villa looked bloody ordinary on Sunday.
    
    I was going to ask a question in this notesfile about Batty, and what
    it was that he did in a game to have people saying he has a long
    international future ahead of him...I decided not to ask this, but look
    at his contribution on Sunday instead.  I was impressed by his display,
    he was everywhere, and seemed to be the fulcrum of a lot of Leeds'
    moves.  Thought the move from the corner, leading to Chapmans header
    was excellent.  Good to see that there are still a few Scots with some
    skill left eg Strachan (full of running as ever) and McAllister.
    Paul
33.201Everton on SaturdayBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Nov 28 1991 13:2710
    Wilko looks to have a full squad to pick from on Saturday, the game vs
    Everton will be no pushover, but I expect a 2-1 or a 3-1, Leeds will
    have to watch Johnstone and Quasimodo. The ground should be well full,
    though the recession and Xmas shopping will prevent a sell out, a
    30,000 crowd willing Leeds United on would be nice though.
    
    If results do go Leeds' way, then they could be 3 or 4 points clear on
    Saturday night, and more over 3rd......
    
    jb.
33.202team for Saturday?REPAIR::JAMANIFri Nov 29 1991 15:457
    
    
    Any comments on whether Wilko will be playing the same team on
    saturday?
    
    
    S
33.203Thought on Leeds and Everton.XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Nov 29 1991 15:4914
An interesting match tomorrow with Leeds going full throttle, Everton stumbling
along. We doubled over them in the league last year with a comfortable 2-0 home 
victory before Christmas. That game was on the box, I think. However 
they got over us in the ZDS cup, agonisingly with a 3-3 result at Elland. 

So in total we played them 4 times last season with 2 wins, a draw and a loss. I
have predicted a large win for Leeds of the order 5-1. This may be in retrospect 
a bit much, but nonetheless I expect that Leeds will dispose of Everton 
clinically to stay tops. A good victory here would set us up for a more difficult 
assignment next Wednesday at Everton in the Rumbelows 4th round.

 
                              James.

33.204Toffees to get lickedBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Nov 29 1991 18:3317
    The Man U game scheduled for Sat 28 Dec will now be on Sun 29 Dec, Live
    on ITV.
    
    Leeds have 4 of their next 6 league games at home, a nice run to the
    end of the year. The aways are Luton and Nottingham Forest. If things
    go well, they can get 14 points out of that, but 12 would be excellent
    going.
    
    Hodge played last night in a 0-0 draw at Villa in the reserves, he is
    available for selection. Tomorrow's team selection shpuld be
    interesting, I'll fgo for Lukic, Whyte, Fairclough, Sterland, Dorigo,
    Batty, Strachan, McAllister, Chapman, Wallace, Speed with Hodge and
    McClelland on the bench.
    
    Score, 3-1 to Leeds. Man U held at Palace 1-1.
    
    jb.
33.205Hard slog ...GIDDAY::PARSONSAround the World in 50 daysMon Dec 02 1991 04:558
    
    Leeds United  (0) 1   Everton  (0) 0
    
    Wallace 87'
    
    Still top but what happened ? Fairclough sent off after 69 minutes
    for retaliation (to what ?) then Wallace scored in his 3rd
    successive game.
33.206REPAIR::JAMANIMon Dec 02 1991 15:568
    
    
    Who was the last Leeds Player to be sent off?  Was it Strachan?
                                                                   
    Whay action, if any, will Wilko take against Fairclough?  
    
    
    S
33.207Don't venture too often in here ;-)TRUCKS::SANTMon Dec 02 1991 21:2511
    
    	For a generally non-dirty (I was going to say fair..) player like 
    	Fairclough to get sent off you'd expect a cheating little s*ite
    	like Mark Ward to be the cause of it. Silly to cuff him like he
    	did but I'm sure he deserved it. 8-)
    
    	Good win for Leeds....keeps the race going nicely, and both Leeds
    	and United are pulling away from the bunch.
    
    	Andy.
    
33.208Unightered !ESSB::SONEILLMon Dec 02 1991 22:464
    Does anyone have an up to date league table for the 32'ers?
    Welcome to the table toppers topic!
    
    Shane
33.209Leeds go marching onBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Dec 03 1991 13:3233
    Late report, but I was also on holiday yesterday (day trip Xmas
    shopping in Utrecht no less !)
    
    Leeds won, just. Fairclough was sent off by a very poor referee who had
    lost control of the game, after fouling Ward. Ward then punched out at
    Fairclough, who then barged Ward. Ward got a caution, Fairclough sent
    off - very bad refereeing - both players should have received the same
    punishment. Leeds and Fairclough have been given leave to appeal to the
    FA over this, supplying video eveidence.
    
    Everton had enough chances to win, but they couldn't score. Lukic made
    a couple of very good saves, one from Quasimodo and followed up by Beagrie
    was outstanding. Leeds do play for 90 minutes, and on 87, a
    short corner was worked between Strachan (m.o.m) and Whyte, crossed in,
    flicked on by Chapman, Southall missed, Wallace didn't and hammered it
    into the roof of the net. 3 more valuable points ! Southall got a
    wonderful ;-) reception, he was reminded of his waistsize, nationality
    and birth status all in one go (work that out). In all fairness, he had
    a good game, and souldn't be held responsible for the Leeds winner.
    
    With Man C, Palace, Villa drawing / losing, a nice gap is opening up.
    The BBC Sports report was gushing about Mighty Liverpools recent
    amazing run (avoiding defeat in 5 games), but the troubled Reds are 14
    points behind Leeds (I know they have games in hand but we've got the
    points !) The Mancs did well vs Palace, and they have a strong squad
    and are playing well, it looks like a trans pennine tussle looming up!
    
    The game on Wed at Goodison should be interesting. It will be a tight
    affair, and the referee will have to keep it all under control. I
    predict a close result for Leeds, possibly a replay. 2-1 to Leeds,
    another last minute winner !
    
    jb.
33.210WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringTue Dec 03 1991 16:018
    >In all fairness, he had
    >a good game, and souldn't be held responsible for the Leeds winner.
    
    I hold him responsible; he made a pathetic flap at the ball.
    
    Leeds are having a real run of luck at home; they seemed to be making
    hard work of winning; eg Oldham, Sheffield United, Everton -- but the
    sods keep winning; can't last though [can it?]
33.211Lucky ? Naaaaah.....BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Dec 03 1991 18:1814
    Simon,
    
    Of course it can !!
    
    The Everton result went well, but there have been other games away from
    home where Leeds came away with 1 point whwn it could have been 3.
    Liverpool have been the past masters of the 1-0 win with the goal
    scored in the 87th minute whwn the other lot have given up. This
    season, Leeds have played for 90 minutes, and have'nt given up. 
    
    A Trans Pennine title battle now looks possible - better than a Mersey
    London one don't you agree ?
    
    jb.
33.212Bit of a squeezeXSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverWed Dec 04 1991 14:129
Leeds were a bit lucky on Saturday but as already said Liverpool in their
day got more than their fair share of results like that. So sour grapes are the
order of the days for those who think that Leeds didn't deserve the victory. 

Tonight is a different story with Everton at home this time! Do Leeds really want
the Rumbelows badly! If they do, then a draw is the least they should be looking 
at tonight. Prediction 0-0 with Leeds to get through on a replay.

                               James.
33.213Euro Championships for Elland Road ?BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Dec 04 1991 17:2920
    Stand News
    
    If the English bid for the 1996 Euro Championships is successful
    (England are favourites at the moment), then 4 grounds will be needed,
    Wembley, Villa Park and Old Trafford have already been decided on, the
    4th will be in the North East / Yorkshire. Hillsborough has been
    discounted, because of the tradgedy there, that leaves St James's Park
    (still open terraces at 2 ends), Roker Park (Decrepit and Sunderland
    are wanting out) and Elland Road (plans in hand to turn it into a
    40,000 all seater stadium). Elland Road looks to be favourite.
    
    The stand work should start in May, Lowfields seating season ticket
    holders will be dispersed around the ground. Capacity will be 25,000
    next season, all of these being season ticket holders.
    
    For some games, the visitors enclosure seats will be sold to Leeds
    United fans, the first game this will happen for will be the Soton game
    on Boxing day. Stewards and Police are not expecting any trouble.
    
    jb.
33.214Euro '96YUPPY::SEABURYSWed Dec 04 1991 18:436
    re .last
    
    Probably the only time you'll get European football at Elland Road 8-)
    
    Stew.
    
33.215Almost too good to be true ...GIDDAY::PARSONSAround the World in 50 daysThu Dec 05 1991 03:5415
    
    Rumbelows Cup 4th Round
    
    Everton    (1) 1  Leeds United   (2) 4
    
                      Speed, McAllister,
                      Wallace 2
    
    What a result ! Here's hoping it's Peterborough at home rather than
    Man Utd away in the next round. Another 4 goals away from home, and
    it's 5 goals from 4 games for Wallace now.
    
    I hope it doesn't go to their heads too much, they have Luton away
    on Saturday - the last time Leeds won a league game there Don Revie
    scored !
33.216Everton 1 - 4 Leeds (Leeds Leeds)TRUCKS::SANTThu Dec 05 1991 11:2415
    
    	Leeds blasted Everton last night in another display of power
    	football. Once again McAllister and Strachan ran the midfield 
    	for long periods, and despite going a goal down thanks to a rare
    	slip by Lukic totally destroyed an ineffectual Everton side 
    	lacking ideas in the middle and punch up front.
    
    	Leeds are certainly banging in the goals at the moment, and anyone
    	who thought Leeds and Manchester United were going to blow up
    	after 20 games or so had better start thinking again - both these
    	sides look like dominating the domestic honours this season whilst
    	a host of others look for any sort of consistancy. It promises to
    	be an exciting season for followers of both these clubs.
                                       
    	Andy.
33.217Toffees LickedBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Dec 05 1991 12:1119
    Toffees 1 Leeds United 4
    
    Everton got well and truly beaten last night. They went ahead on 20
    with an Atteveld goal, Lukic got a hand to it, but it ballooned into
    the net. Speed got an equaliser on 28, and Chapman made it 2-1 after
    37, hammering in a low cross from Sterland. I was at the opening of our
    Customer Centre in Lawnswood (with Mr Maguire Diddlying), it was 1-1
    when I left. I had just got home, put on the Radio, and Wallace got the
    3rd. I thought it was a replay when he got the 4th ! There were
    highlights on YTV at 10:40 - Leeds looked very impressive, and were
    quite different from the team out on Saturday. Starchan went off on 84,
    to be replaced by Hodge - he had taken a slight knock, but is expected
    to be OK for Saturday's trip to relegation favourites Luton.
    
    The Mancs got through a tricky tie against t'Latics, Tottenham fluked a
    win. For the next round, anybody at home will do - we can also beat
    anybody away.
    
    jb.
33.218Leeds the invincibleXSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverThu Dec 05 1991 12:2510
What a performance last night with Leeds crushing the life out of a poor Everton 
side. We are playing a game right now that will make life very difficult on 
anybody we play either home or away. It seems that our away performances are
overshadowing our home, certainly scoring more away from home than at home. What 
a happy state to be in! Getting the luck and the goals all at the same time.

When is the draw for the next round going to be? Hopefully Peterborough at home.


                                 James.
33.219Hey you get off my cloud !!!!WELSWS::CADDThe only way is up!!!Thu Dec 05 1991 12:4919
    
    
      James,
           The draw is on saturday on S & G at 1.10 from across the big
    pond, they are there for the world cup draw on sunday.
    
       Missed another game last night (damn), but heard the commentary on
    radio 5 and saw the goals on the box. No sooner had i said about
    Chapman knocking the goals in does he start supplying the goods.
    
       Luton on saturday with Chris Kamara playing, and there new loan
    goalkeeper Steve Sutton from Forest. We lost there last season but i
    don't think it will be the case this season. My conservative (small c)
    prediction (based on recent away goals) Luton 2  Leeds 7
    
    scorers : Wallace 3, Chapman 3 and Lukic 1 
    
    
    P.C.
33.220Luton allsorts tomorrowXSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Dec 06 1991 14:2516
With Leeds going so well at the moment it would be a shame to goto Luton tomorrow
and ruin all that good work with anything less than a win. The way we are 
playing at the moment anything other than a comprehensive win would be a big
surprise, but beware complacency. Look what happened to MCFC two weeks ago :-). 

Luton are a poor side and will probably be relegated at the end of the season so 
why can't Leeds help them out, a little, on their quest tomorrow.

Great to see Wallace and Chapman combining where it counts, on the score sheet. I
expect a 3-0 victory tomorrow with Lukic having another clean sheet to add to his
12 already collected this season, from only 23 games. Leeds have won 9 of their
last 10 competitive games ( excluding the Zombies cup games )! 



                                     James.
33.221Win tomorrow ?BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Dec 06 1991 16:245
    I'll go for a 2-0, or a 2-1 if we're unlucky. The team is picked from a
    full strength squad. I expect the same line up as started against
    Everton.
    
    jb.
33.2222-0 it was ...GIDDAY::PARSONSAround the World in 50 daysMon Dec 09 1991 01:0216
    
    
    Luton Town   (0) 0  Leeds United  (0) 2
    
                        Wallace, Speed
    
    Assuming I got the goalscorers right this time, that makes
    it 6 goals from 5 games for Wallace. Still top, still have
    Man Utd right behind but the gap grows between 2nd and 3rd.
    
    F.A. Cup draw is interesting to say the least ! Man Utd at
    home which means they have two trips to Elland Road within
    a week.
    
    Any news on the Rumbelows Cup draw ? or have we got Man Utd
    in that as well.
33.223This is getting silly !GIDDAY::PARSONSAround the World in 50 daysMon Dec 09 1991 01:197
    
    I guess I spoke too soon ! Rumbelows Cup 5th Round draw :
    
    Leeds United  vs  Manchester United
    
    At least we have home advantage in both the Cup games, which
    means three visits to Elland Road for Man Utd in 10 days.
33.224Still top - and will remain there !BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Dec 09 1991 12:3919
    Luton Town 0 Leeds United 2
    
    'Luton put up a good show, and they aren't the worst team in the First
    Division' said Barclays Manager of the Month for November Howard
    Wilkinson as he saw his impressive Leeds United side dispose of a
    battling Luton Town on Saturday afternoon at Kenilworth Road. Goals by
    Wallace on 68 and Speed on 70 kept Leeds United at the top of Division
    1 by 1 point from their rivals from the damp drizzly and depressing side 
    of the Pennines, who will be playing at Elland Road 3 times in 10 days,
    once in the League (home win), once in the FA Cup (home win) and once
    in the Rumbelow's League Cup (home win).
    
    Well, Leeds and the Mance roll on, and the trailing pack have their
    mixture of wins, draws and losses. The Arse lost again, Liverpool
    continue their mediocrity, Man City fail yet again, Villa come back to
    form and Sheff Wed clinch a last minute winner. The New Year period
    will be interesting to say the least !
    
    jb.
33.225Er...I don't think it was all that close actuallyTRUCKS::SANTMon Dec 09 1991 13:5610
    
    	jb..
    
    	I thought your comment earlier was a ;-) but I guess someone
    	should point out that Shef. Wed. won 3-0 against Chelsea...hardly
    	last-minute stuff there 8-)
    
    	Andy.
    

33.226Wrong Again BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Dec 09 1991 14:197
    re -1
    
    I stand corrected - it was last week vs West Amm that was the last
    minute jobbie. Regarding Chelsea - I will become a temporary Chelsea
    fan for 90 minutes next Sunday Afternoon !!
    
    jb.
33.227Live Match Part 2BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Dec 09 1991 16:4020
33.229The Mancs do get some.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Dec 09 1991 18:207
33.230What all you Leeds fans have been crying out for, the upto date match stats for the season.XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverMon Dec 09 1991 20:3586
Many hours of work went into the compilation of these stats. However, I am 
missing some crowd figures. Could somebody help me out by confirming the 
contents of the statistics?

Few comments worth mentioning

1. Our second half performance is much improved on last season when Leeds 
scored an alarmingly high proportion of their goals in the first half.
Not so this season :-).

2. We have 11 players who have scored this season, already. With 5 players on 
more than 5 goals. This means that even if Chappie or Rod are being well marked 
the danger is far from being contained. Not like for instance some teams that 
rely on literally one player for all their goals. Cue Martin.

3. Lukic has 13 clean sheets out of 24 games. Very good defence and goal keeping.

4. Leeds have had their lean spot this season, around September :-). MUFC
haven't had their yet ;-).


Extract and print in landscape is my suggestion!


   Season record to date of Leeds United F.C in league and Cup competitions.

  Date            Team            W-L F-T  H-T  Crowd  Po Scorers

Tue 20 Aug  NOTTINGHAM FOREST   H  W  1-0  1-0  29457  -  McAllister   
Sat 24 Aug  SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY H  D  1-1  0-0  30260  10 Hodge   
Wed 28 Aug  Southampton         a  W  4-0  1-0  15862  4  Speed 2, Strachan 2 Pens.
Sat 31 Aug  Manchester United   a  D  1-1  1-0  43778  6  Chapman
Tue 3  Sep  ARSENAL             H  D  2-2  0-1  29386  6  Strachan pen, Chapman
Sat 7  Sep  MANCHESTER CITY     H  W  3-0  1-0  29986  4  Dorigo,Batty,Strachan pen.
Sat 14 Sep  Chelsea             a  W  1-0  0-0  23439  2  Shutt
Wed 18 Sep  Coventry City       a  D  0-0  0-0  15488  2  -
Sat 21 Sep  LIVERPOOL           H  W  1-0  1-0  32917  2  Hodge
Sat 28 Sep  Norwich City        a  D  2-2  0-0  15828  2  Dorigo,Speed
Tue 1  Oct  Crystal Palace      a  L  0-1  0-0  ??     2  -
Sat 5  Oct  SHEFFIELD UNITED    H  W  4-3  3-0  28362  2  Hodge 2, Sterland 2 pen.
Sat 19 Oct  Notts County        a  W  4-2  2-1  12964  2  Chapman,Hodge,Whyte,McAllister
Sat 26 Oct  OLDHAM ATHLETIC     H  W  1-0  0-0  28199  1  O.G.
Sat 2  Nov  Wimbledon           a  D  0-0  0-0   9025  2  -
Sat 16 Nov  QPR                 H  W  2-0  0-0  27087  1  Sterland,Wallace
Sun 24 Nov  Aston Villa         a  W  4-1  1-0  23666  1  Wallace,Sterland,Chapman 2
Sat 30 Nov  EVERTON             H  W  1-0  0-0  30043  1  Wallace
Sat 7  Dec  Luton Town          a  W  2-0  0-0  ??     1  Wallace,Speed.

Cup Competitions

Tue 24 Sep  LC R2 L1 Scunthorpe a  D  0-0  0-0  ??     -
Tue 8  Oct  LC R2 L2 SCUNTHORPE H  W  3-0  0-0  14588  Sterland pen,Chapman,Speed
Tue 22 Oct  ZDS R? NOTTM FOREST H  L  1-3  0-2  ??     Wallace
Tue 29 Oct  LC R3 TRANMERE R.   H  W  3-1  0-0  18266  Chapman2,Shutt
Wed 4  Dec  LC R4 Everton       a  W  4-1  2-1  25467  Speed,Chapman,Wallace 2

===

Scorers

                       League                Cup             Total

Chapman                   5                   4                9
Wallace                   4                   3                7
Speed                     4                   2                6
Hodge                     5                   0                5
Sterland                  4                   1                5
Strachan                  4                   0                4
McAllister                2                   0                2
Dorigo                    2                   0                2
Shutt                     1                   1                2
Whyte                     1                   0                1
Batty                     1                   0                1
O.G.                      1                   0                1

                        -----               -----            -----

                         34                  11               45



                                James.

P.S
The only statistic worth its salt is the one we currently possess that of 
having most points in the first division. 
33.231The odds of things to come.XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverTue Dec 10 1991 11:5812
Talking about the odds of things happening re. the cup draws.

I estimate that the odds in Leeds drawing MUFC in both cups
at home was a massive

                      1764/1

Its a pity that MUFC will have no interest in any further 
odds, once we get our teeth into them that week.


                      James.
33.232eh?DUCK::DAVIESGTue Dec 10 1991 21:1210
    re -1,
    
    1764/1 ?
    
    I heard Elton Welsbey(sp) say on the match last Sunday that it was
    50,000/1 . Sounds a bit suspect, but then, so is last remark about
    leeds beating the mancs.
    
    greg
    
33.233The silence is deafeningXSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverThu Dec 12 1991 12:046
For the league leaders note to be so quiet is unnatural. Anybody got
any comments to make on the list I compiled a few days back. Is it 
OK and correct.


                          James.
33.234Tickets / SpursBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Dec 12 1991 13:0526
    re .230
    
    Interesting stuff.
    
    The ticket allocations for the manc games have been agreed, 2,500 for
    the League (as everybody gets) and 6,500 for the 2 Cup games, the
    Family Stand members will be relocated to the West Stand. If there is a
    replay, Leeds United will get 9,500 tickets. The singing of the
    'Aeroplane Song' has been banned at Elland Road, anybody caught singing
    it will be banned from the ground for life. This also applies to doing
    aeroplane impersonations, and chucking gliders and inflatable
    aeroplanes around the kop (about time too !). This is in bad taste, and
    it only 'spurs' the Mancs on.
    
    Talking of Spurs, they are at Elland Road on Saturday, it is almost a
    forgotten match because of the talk surrounding the 3 match marathon in
    January. Lineker may play, so our lot will have to be on their guard.
    I'll fo for a 3-1 victory. 30,000 fans are expected, even though it is
    less than 2 weeks before Xmas, the team are playing well and at the top
    of the tree, and can go 4 points clear (even if it's only overnight,
    then every Leeds United fan will support Chelsea for 90 minutes +
    injury time and 1/2 time time.) For the Tott's gane, Fairclough will be
    missing, he is starting a 3 match ban for his dubious dismissal vs
    Everton.
    
    jb.
33.235Six of One , Half a Dozen of the other!!WELCLU::CADDI Got a T.V., You Got a T.V.Thu Dec 12 1991 19:4238
    
    
    Re -.1
    
          jb, i have a customer whose husband writes for Red Issue the Man U
    fanzine. I would like to make a few comments after flicking through
    this months issue.
    
       I believe that it is a good thing that the Leeds staff have taken
    the action that they have over the 'Aeroplane song', but it must be
    said that when i read in that fanzine Man U fans should sing 'Always look
    out for motor neurone disease' i find the credibility of the opposition a
    little dubious??. The remarks in both fanzines, (Red Issue and The
    Square ball) may be taken more seriously by the less intelligent 'FAN'
    which could lead to the rather more ugly side of our game coming to a
    head in the near future.
       
        When will the writers of these fanzines realise that to some people
    the articles thay are writing are pure poison, and can only serve to
    prolong the disharmony within the fans of the game. I sincerely hope
    that no Man U fans do turn up at Elland Rd with 'Blow up skeletons' (a
    dig at the great Revie) because poor taste bans should be applicable to
    all fans, there are NO exceptions. Hope I don't sound too serious (just
    before  crimbo), but i think that these things have to be aired and
    where better than in notes
    
    
       James, the gate for the Palace game away was 18,298. Hope this is of
    use to you.
    
    
    
    P.C.
    
    
    
    
     
33.236CCTV is watching you.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Dec 12 1991 19:5014
    Man U will be bringing some of their stewards with them to stop any
    nonsense that may break out. If the manc fans start playing silly
    buggers they too will be ejected and charged. Elland Road now has a
    very sophisticated CCTV system that will make identification of
    offendors easy. It is hoped there will be no repetition of Manc
    'Executive Club' guests throwing coins at the Leeds Kop - if there are
    any idiots wanting to do this from the 'Captain's Lounge' they better
    remenber they are right next to the Police Control Centre !
    
    I expect common sense will prevail, and there won't be any trouble,
    apart from the dozen or so drunks that are always found at any sporting
    occasion (esp 'Wugger')
    
    jb.
33.237streaker at -10KERNEL::HAWLEYIPaul Wattersons love-childThu Dec 12 1991 19:539
    > I expect common sense will prevail, and there won't be any trouble,
    > apart from the dozen or so drunks that are always found at any sporting
    > occasion (esp 'Wugger')
    
    ill bet there wont be a streaker though!
    :-0
    
    Ian.
    
33.238Thoughts on FaircloughGIDDAY::PARSONSAround the World in 50 daysFri Dec 13 1991 05:519
    
    re: Fairclough
    
    Although he will be missed in the next 3 games, especially against
    Forest next week (away as well), at least he will be available for
    the first game vs Man Utd. HW may use him as man-to-man marking on
    Giggs like he did against Daley in the Villa game. It will be
    interesting to see if HW and Ferguson change tactics between each
    game, presumably depending upon the result of the previous game.
33.2392nd string/TvBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Dec 13 1991 12:4417
    Second String news :-
    
    Davison has had his loan spell to Derby County cut short by the
    recurrence of a knee injury, he will be out for several weeks.
    Williams has gone on loan to Port Vale for a month.
    
    McClelland will take over from Fairclough in the 3 games vs Tottenham,
    Forest and Soton.
    
    The League Cup game on Wed 8 Jan will be live (ko 8.07pm) on YTV and
    Granada - 3 live TV matches in 10 days !
    
    Lineker is expected to play tomorrow after his lay off for personal
    reasons - I'm sure he will get a warm welcome from the Elland Road
    crowd.
    
    jb.
33.240Tottenham tomorrow and not so easyXSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Dec 13 1991 18:1715
Tottenham at home tomorrow and not such an easy game. They were one of the only
sides last year to beat us at home ( 2-0, September ). I do think that Leeds are
a lot better than Spurs at the moment and will win 2-0 with Wallace chipping 
in another goal or two to the cause. MUFC are starting to get worried as Leeds 
could put them out of all three competitions in 8 days. I get the feeling in 
some of their hysterical notes that they are very worried about this 
Leeds team :-). Roll on the good times. The turkey is getting fat and Leeds are 
going to win the league.

Have got most of the ??'s filled up from my note earlier in the week but I need 
some info on the crowd at the 2nd round away tie at the Scun to be upto date.


                              James.
                
33.241'It Looks like a "White" Christmas!!!'WELSWS::CADDThe only way is up!!!Fri Dec 13 1991 23:2834
    
    
      James i was there and the gate was 8,392 (not a bad ground).
    
     Leeds are on the tele again on 12/1/92 at home to Sheffield Weds. The
    game has been put back to the sunday. Leeds must be making a few bob
    with all the live performances coming up. I'm beginning to wonder if it
    was worthwhile buying my season ticket as i can see most of the games
    on t.v. (only joking).
    
    
    So the T.V schedule to-date looks like this 
    
            Sunday     29 Dec 1991  Leeds   V   Man U  k.o. 4.00p.m.
            
            Sunday     05 Jan 1992  Leeds   V   Man U  k.o. 3.00p.m.
      
            Wednesday  08 Jan 1992  Leeds   V   Man U  k.o. 8.00p.m (?)
    
            Sunday     12 Jan 1992  Leeds   V  Sheff W k.o. 3.00p.m.
    
    
      Hope this is all correct,I know some smart alec will say so if it
    isn't.
         The Totts tomorrow Lineker may be back in the side. They did beat
    us at home last season , but it was very early on in the season i think
    before we had settled. Three points tomorrow will take us four points
    ahead of Man U overnight at least, with the mancs having to play away at
    the bridge on sunday.I will be at the Leeds game on saturday to see if
    the fans behave themselves???
    
     
    
    P.C.
33.242Rumbelows CupOPG::TONYSat Dec 14 1991 16:134
The game against United on the 8th of JAN apparently kicks off at 8:06..
Its Live on TV only in the Granada and Sheeep Country stations...

Tony
33.243Leeds on the box againXSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverSat Dec 14 1991 16:177
The Leeds V Tottenham game is also on RTE this afternoon so I'm off come 3:00 P.M
Will have to go hungry as that when I go shopping :-( but its worth it to see 
Leeds win again. Probably won't be able to tune into some of the Leeds V MUFC 
games in January if they are only going to be shown on regional stations?


                                James.
33.244Press the eject and give me the tape!!WELSWS::CADDThe only way is up!!!Sun Dec 15 1991 20:2222
    
    
    
    Well we have lost the top slot after Man U won 1-3 against Chelsea.Man
    U now have a better goal difference than us, and a game in hand.
      Leeds relly should have buried Tottenham in the first 20mins of the
    second half, credit to them they soaked up a lot of pressure.
    
        Forest away next week, another tough game thay are playing well at
    home,but we must win to keep the pressure up on the mancs.
    
     I correct my note on t.v. coverage , we play Sheffield Wednesday away
    on 12/1/92.
    
    I must add that not one Leeds fan sang 'that song' from the terraces
    which was very pleasing to see (& hear).
    
    
    P.C.
    
    
     
33.245A draw.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Dec 16 1991 14:0139
    Leeds 1 Spurs 1
    
    2 points lost perhaps, but Spurs put up a good show like thwy are
    capable of but never seem to do on occasions. The Spurs goal on 19 was
    due to a cock up in the Leeds defence, Whyte and Dorigo getting
    themselves in a tangle, one of them should have booted the ball out for
    a throw. Leeds played strangely for the first half hour, found
    themselves 1 down, and then played some excellent football, threatening
    to rip Tottenham apart, but never quite managing it. A Thorsvedt fumble
    gave Speed the chance to equalise, which he duly did. The second half
    started with unrelenting Leeds pressure, Whyte fitting the post,
    Wallace the bar, and Tottenham were living a charmed existence, but
    looking very good on the break, the Leeds defence were busy at times,
    and Lukic had to be on his toes.
    
    At the end, a draw was a reasonable result, but it should have been a
    win, but it wasn't a loss ! Man U looked impressive yesterday
    afternoon, they really did get stuck into Chelsea, who did fight back,
    with a bit more luck the game would have been closer. On the evidence
    so far, Leeds and Man U will be swopping places at the top of the
    table fo some weeks to come. Teams below us either didn't play, drew or
    lost. Liverpool could get to within 10 points of Leeds if they beat the
    Skints, but I think that particular run of the mill mid table game
    (live n TV don't ask me why) will end up 1-1 on Wednesday night.
    
    Next game is Forest away - not easy at all, a draw will be good, but a
    win so much better. Soton visit on Boxing Day - a home win there I
    think. Man U have Villa at OT and Oldham away - not easy, 2 draws looks
    a distinct possibility there. The big game will be on 29 Dec at Elland
    Road, the teams will be way ahead of the chasing pack, with more or
    less the same number of points, and a very similar goal difference -
    should be a great game, played in an 'intense' atmosphere. I'm looking
    forward to it.
    
    On the injury front, Sterland picked up a knock, and Dorigo has had to
    withdraw from yhr England B team with a thigh strain, he may also miss
    the Forest game on Sunday (is it live ?)
    
    jb.
33.246JGODCL::SHERLOCKThe Yorkshire RepublicanMon Dec 16 1991 14:356
    jb,
      Highlights of the Leeds - Spurs game were show here on Dutch T.V. and
    I noticed that Leeds were wearing black armbands, who died ?
    
    
    Tim
33.247WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringMon Dec 16 1991 14:413
    arm bands were in rememberance of Bill Fox, President(?) of the FA. All
    league teams wore armbands this weekend and had a minutes silence
    before the game (well - they did at Chelsea!)
33.248Silence !!BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Dec 16 1991 14:4710
    There was a minutes silence at Elland Road as at all games played this
    weekend. Bill Fox was the League President I think, but like all sports
    administrators of his ilk he was a fossilised dinosaur thsat didn't
    want change, or if there was change, it was to benefit his people and
    no others. Fox also had a dislike for Leeds United, and seemed to use
    his power against them in days gone by. However, the minute's silence
    was observed - it wouldn't have several years ago.
    
    
    jb.
33.249no disrespect intended, but...KERNEL::HAWLEYIPaul Wattersons love-childMon Dec 16 1991 14:485
    
    could you TELL at Stamford Bridge?!?
    Ian.
    :-)
    
33.250Comments on SaturdayXSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverMon Dec 16 1991 15:0321
Saw the game on the box on Saturday and I agree with JB that Leeds were lucky not
to lost and not to win, all in the same breath. I did pick up a few impressions
that don't auger well for the future, unless they are fixed, now.

1. Chapman was described as a "brick wall" by Giles in commentary, as any ball 
that came his way bounced straight back off him into the path of the player 
playing it. It wasn't Chapmans kind of game as he needs to be on the end of 
things rather than trying to create them.

2. The quality of the crosses wasn't as good as we saw at Villa a couple weeks 
back. Also the set plays were too elaborately played. The amount of shots 
outside the box was a bit much. Why not try to play them in a bit more, around 
the box.

3. Leeds were very lucky, twice, in the second half not to concede goals on the 
break. Walsh should have put at least one of them away, as Lineker would have in
the same position.


                              James.

33.251Still unbeaten thoughBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Dec 16 1991 17:2415
    Spurs pushed the game into midfield, stopping Dorigo and Sterland from
    coming forward, hence less crosses to Chapman. The fact that both
    Dorigo and Sterland picked up injuries dodn't help either. Leeds are
    generally lethal at set pieces, in the last minutes there was a free
    kick on the edge of the Spurs box, the fact that Sterland and Dorigo
    didn't blast it adds credence to the injuries being carried by both of
    them. Still, it was a point more towards the total, and the Mancs are
    only 1 point ahead.
    
    Maybe HW will sign another striker top play alongside Chapman in
    certain games. The team will  have learnt from this display, and the
    goal given away was very soft, and no doubt the subject of some
    interesting discussion at half and full time.
    
    jb.
33.252Crystal Ball gazingBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Dec 16 1991 20:0634
    As it is getting near Christmas, holidays loom, and also last minute
    closes for Q2 are needed - so I'll be out of the office for most of 
    this week, so I'll post the Festive Predictions here ...
    
    Forest 1 Leeds 2 - Last gasp winner from Wallace
    Leeds 3 Soton 0 - Soton after a long trip are comprehensively walloped
    Leeds 2 Man U 1 - a late winner from a 'Partisan' Elland Road secures
    the points for Leeds taking them 4 points clear at the top, as Man U
    draw vs Oldham and beat the Villa.
    West Ham 1 Leeds 1 - a good draw away from home, but the Mancs win and
    are 2 points behind with a slightly better goal difference.
    
    Setting it up for :-
    
    'The Empire Strikes Back' FACR3 - 1-0 to Leeds
    and
    'The Return of the Jedi' RLCQF
    who promptly goes back accross the M62, beaten 1-0 again.
    
    
    The Arse and Liverpool stutter along, still getting points, but are now
    15 adrift of the top 2.
    
    The Mancs and Leeds slip a bit in Feb, and allow the pack to close to
    within 9 points, but it goes to the wire this time.
    
    The crystal ball then fogs up a bit (just like the weather).
    
    
    Hopefully, there won't be too many injuries, the Leeds squad isn't as
    deep as the Mancs/Arse/Pool, so 3 bad injuries may knacker the season
    up somewhat.
    
    jb.
33.253The dangers of a small squadGIDDAY::PARSONSSupport SLS and see the worldTue Dec 17 1991 08:5117
    
    I saw extended highlights of the Spurs game last night. The
    defence looked all over the place early on but towards the
    end of the 1st half and for most of the 2nd half Leeds looked
    good, especially when moving forward quickly with passes being
    sprayed around the pitch. McAllister had obviously decided to
    shoot every time he was within 25 yards of Spurs' goal. We
    were lucky Lineker wasn't playing though. He wouldn't have
    missed the chances Spurs had on the break.
    
    It will be a big blow if both Dorigo and Sterland are out
    next week, with Fairclough already suspended. Hopefully they
    will both recover. Going by Southampton's performance in
    their first game with Forest they will decimate the Forest
    team tonight or tomorrow (in injuries not in skill). The
    worrying thing is that we've got them only 3 days before the
    first Man Utd game.
33.254The injuries come with the frost and mud..MIACT::RANKINEWed Dec 18 1991 12:1513
    re .252
    
    Yeah, I agree that a few injuries to players could cause Leeds to
    stutter a bit....is there any money available to HW for more players ?.
    
    There was an interesting article in Saturdays Guardian about Lee
    Chapman and in an interview he praises HW as being the only manager who
    has been able to bring the best out in him. He feels he is now a better
    player, and playing the best he has in his career. I think a lot of
    this is to do with the service and support around him..Leeds really do
    appear to have a very strong team spirit, and play accordingly.
    
    Paul 
33.255Leeds Utd and Europe ...KLUNK::JDUGGANWed Dec 18 1991 20:149
    Does anyone know .... how many european cups competition finals
    Leeds Utd. have played in (UEFA, Cup Winners, European). I'm 
    interested in finding out the year, the opposition, the place where
    it was played -- and the results of course.  
    
    Thanks in advance,
    Jimmy.
    
    PS Good to see Leeds almost at the top !
33.256Wonder when this will need updating ?GIDDAY::PARSONSSupport SLS and see the worldThu Dec 19 1991 01:0931
    
    well if no-one else does I'll put it the exact details later, but
    from memory
    
    European Cup
    
    1975  Bayern Munich  2  Leeds United  0  in Paris
    
    Cup Winners Cup
    
    1973  A C Milan  1  Leeds United  0  in Greece (think it was Athens)
    
    Fairs Cup (forerunner to the UEFA Cup)
    
    1966-67  lost to 2-0 to a Yugoslav team (I think). 0-2 away then
             0-0 at home (Dynamo Zagreb ?)
    1967-68  Leeds United  1  Ferencvaros (sp) 0
             Ferencvaros   0  Leeds United     0  Won 1-0 on aggregate
    1970-71  Juventus      2  Leeds United     2
             Leeds United  1  Juventus         1  Won on away goals rule
    
    After the 1970-71 Fairs Cup Final the trophy was replaced by the 
    UEFA Cup. The original winners played the last winners for 
    permananet possession.
    
    Barcelona  2  Leeds United  1
    
    Leeds also lost two European Semi-Finals
    
    1965-66 (I think) in the Fairs Cup to Upjest Doza
    1969-70 to Celtic in the European Cup
33.257Lowfields RedevelopmentBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Dec 19 1991 16:3121
    The Lowfields Redevelopment has been announced today. The current
    Lowfields Stand will be replaced with a 2 tier all seat stand, with
    Exec Boxes, Catering and Hospitality Suites, and some Office
    accomodation. Work will start in the summer. Ground capacity will be
    cut to 30,000, down from 32,700. There are no plans to ban away
    supporters, but if Leeds supporters can't go to Manchester, they they
    won't be provided for at Elland Road. Man U's announcement of this came
    at a poor time for relations between them and Leeds, as Leeds had made
    great efforts to accommodate Manc fans in the forthcoming Cup games.
    
    No team news as yet for the Forest game, I expect the same side will
    start, Dorigo could well be fit for Sunday. It will be a hard game,
    hopefully Leeds will win 2-1, and Villa will peg the Mancs back. The
    Scousers have smarmed their way to 4th place, but they are 12 and 11
    points behind the leaders. They need watching though, perhaps Man City
    can beat them on Saturday, as they still look a little fragile.
    
    Peter Lorimer was made bankrupt on Tuesday, he did run the Commercial
    Hotel in Holbeck, 1 mile from the ground, but he is now unemployed.
    
    jb.
33.258TV questionKAOFS::S_LASSEYNobody expects the Spanish Inquisition....Fri Dec 20 1991 00:0810
    Saw the Leeds - Spurs game on TV over here in Canada on TSN (The Sports
    Network) last Saturday. Great game, Leeds should have won! 
    
    My question is, who supplies the broadcast for these Saturday afternoon
    (or morning where I am) games. TSN never gives any credit to whoever it
    comes from. The commentator is usually Martin Tyler. We get it live,
    same there?
    
    Thanks,
    		Steve (Leeds_fan_since_1970)
33.259Leeds in EuropeGIDDAY::PARSONSSupport SLS and see the worldFri Dec 20 1991 01:1411
    
    re: .256 
    
    Corrections.
    
    1973 CWC Final was in Salonika
    1965-66 Leeds went out in the Fairs Cup Semi-Final to Real
            Zaragoza (0-1 away, 2-1 home no away goals rule so
            replay 1-3, at Elland Road as well !)
    1966-67 Final was against Dynamo Zagreb. Scores were 0-2
            and 0-0.
33.260Xmas matches loom.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Dec 20 1991 13:1921
    Sunday sees Leeds at Forest, and Mr Clough (of 44 days fame). Clough
    has in the past berated Leeds, but now he seems to be seeing the light,
    and had described the current team as 'very good' and the club as
    being 'well run'. It won't be easy against a quick and skilful Forest
    side, but hopefully Leeds can come away with 3 points, a 2-1 scoreline
    being a likely outcome.Chapman goes back to his old club, and he
    usually scores against them. 
    
    Soton on Boxing Day, and then Match no 1 vs the Mancs - let's hope
    there are no injury worries - Fairclough will be available again after
    his 3 match suspension. Batty and Whyte are in danger of being
    suspended for going over the points threshold - one more booking each
    and they'll be banned for 1 match, so they better be careful - Leeds
    need to be at full strength vs the Mancs.
    
    4 wins over the holiday season will be fine, it then leaves Leeds in a
    good position to knock the Mancs out of both Cups !
    
    Merry Xmas to EVERYBODY.
    
    jb.
33.261Forest commentsXSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverSun Dec 22 1991 16:3521
YAIG today, for those of you that don't know what YAIG means, it stands for Yet
Another Important Game. This is something that Leeds will see alot of this term.

With MUFC not playing yesterday this allows Leeds to step 2 points clear today
with a win at Forest. Not an easy thing but I am hopeful. If we don't win today
it hands the initiative to MUFC as they will be on top with 2 games in hand and
most importantly give them a psychological advantage going into the games with 
us over the Christmas.

lost there 4-3, the last game of last season with Chappie scoring 2 to take his 
total for the season to 31. Leeds will need to play better that against Spurs
last week to beat Forest. We also have to exact revenge for their drubbing of us
in the vitally important Zombies cup in October ;-).

It is on BBC 5 radio for anybody that is interested, although nobody will 
probably read this before the game is over! 

Prediction 2-1 with Chappie and Rod scoring.


                                 James.
33.262Forest resultGIDDAY::PARSONSSupport SLS and see the worldMon Dec 23 1991 02:156
    
    Nottingham Forest  0  Leeds United  0
    
    Not a disaster, but Man Utd are now level with 2 games in hand which
    means we really must win next Sunday. Still to reach the halfway
    point in the season with only one defeat is quite an achievement.
33.263A point is a point is a pointBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Dec 23 1991 13:1918
    Wilko seemed happy with the point gained at Forest, it's not a
    disaster, not many teams will come away from the City ground with much
    this season. It's a pity we couldn't take all 3 points, but we are
    still 2nd, level on points with the Mancs, albeit with a goal
    difference defecit of 4. The Mancs have a tough away game at Oldham, a
    local derby and all that, a draw will be a good result for them. Leeds
    have Branfoots Choppers at Elland Road - a comprehensive win is now
    needed to make up some of the goal difference. The Mancs have played 2
    games less, but Leeds have the points in the bag. Sheff Wed are playing
    well abnd picking the points up, especially at Hillsborough, where
    Leeds go after their tussle with the Mancs, they are now 9 points
    behind. Liverpool got a last gasp equaliser vs Man City  - a good
    result for Leeds and Man U, Arsenal also had a convincing 4-2 win over
    the erratic Toffees.
    
    A reasonable start to Christmas, another 9 points please !
    
    jb.
33.264Injury time ...\\BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Dec 23 1991 16:3015
    Strachan was injured in the game yesterday, he was replaced by Kelly,
    making his league debut. kelly is a striker who can also play in
    midfield. He last played as sub vs Scunthorpe in the RLC. Strachan has
    aggravated a back injury sustained whilst training on Astroturf at
    Trinity and All Saints College, Horsforth (600 yards from the Digital
    Office), he is doubtful for the Soton game, and more seriously, the
    League game vs Man U next Sunday.
    
    On the Soton side, Ruddock has been put on the transfer list, fined the
    maximum and dropped from the side to face Leeds on Thursday. He was
    sent off for the 2nd time this season, and will start a 3 match ban -
    his 4th this season. A transfer fee in the order of 1/4 million will be
    asked.
    
    jb. 
33.265Will Craig Short Sue For Assault ??PANIC::ANDERSONThe 'Pies have gone coldMon Dec 23 1991 18:4415
    
    
>>   <<< Note 33.264 by BAHTAT::BLYTHE "Ee bah gum th's trouble at t'mill" >>>
>>                             -< Injury time ...\\ >-
 
    On the Soton side, Ruddock has been put on the transfer list, fined the
    maximum and dropped from the side to face Leeds on Thursday. He was
    sent off for the 2nd time this season, and will start a 3 match ban -
    his 4th this season. A transfer fee in the order of 1/4 million will be
    asked.                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^
  
    Have Southampton really got this sort of money to bribe someone to take
    Ruddock off their hands ?? :-)
    
    Rob
33.266A mishtake ...BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Dec 23 1991 19:215
    re last :-
    
    The transfer fee for Ruddock is 750,000 !
    
    jb.
33.267Strachan a worryGIDDAY::PARSONSSupport SLS and see the worldTue Dec 24 1991 01:0212
    
    Going by the way Southampton play these days there will be several
    players injured on Boxing Day. It is probably a good idea not to 
    play Strachan anyway against them. It is critical that he is OK
    for Sunday, just like Man Utd are trying to ensure Robson and Sharpe
    are available. You need a full strength team to beat Man Utd.
    
    The papers over here ran an article yesterday that was taken from 
    the Sunday Times. It talked about how HW had rejuvenated Leeds and
    the part played by Silver and Fotherby. HW also went on to say it
    would be another 2-3 years before he had the squad he wanted and 
    that he would be spending 'a lot more of Mr Silver's money'.
33.268Strachan worryBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Dec 24 1991 12:209
    No decision on Strachan till Thursday morning. I expect he will sit
    this one out, and Hodge will start for the first time in weeks.
    McAllister played well on Sunday, he should be able to cover Strachan's
    absence. It is vital the wee man is available for Sunday's sell-out.
    
    9 points from the 3 Xmas matches are needed, that will set us up
    niceley, the Mancs will get 4 - win vs QPR, and a draw vs Oldham.
    
    jb.
33.269hodgeREPAIR::JAMANITue Dec 24 1991 12:3411
    
    
    When Strachan went off injured on Sunday I was surprised that HW did
    not put on Hodge.  Is Hodge carrying an injury or is he out of favour
    with Wilko?  Surely his experience would have been useful in the last
    ten minutes in helping to secure all three points!
    
    Are there any views on this substitution??
    
    
    S  
33.270Kelly / HodgeBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Dec 24 1991 12:484
    I think HW wanted to blood Kelly so that he can gain some experience -
    he may be needed in the near future !
    
    jb.
33.271Throwing away home pointsGIDDAY::PARSONSSupport SLS and see the worldMon Dec 30 1991 03:5422
    
    
    December 26
    
    Leeds United   (2) 3  Southampton    (0) 3
    
    Hodge 2
    Speed
    
    Poor result, especially when considering Speed put Leeds 3-1
    up with only 17 mins left. Southampton equalised in the 89th
    minute.
    
    December 29
    
    Leeds United   (0) 1   Manchester United   (0) 1
    
    Sterland (pen)
    
    I'll see highlights of this tonight so I'll pass comment
    then. If Sterland took the penalty I presume Strachan
    was not playing (or wasn't on the pitch at the time).
33.272QETOO::CHAVESBenfica &amp; United will win the doubleMon Dec 30 1991 18:115
    This Strachan guy? Are we talking about the same player that played
    for Scotland when he was only 17 or 18? If so, he must be close to
    retirement age. Seems like he's been around for ever.
    
    JC
33.27334 and Going StrongESSB::BLONGThe Scousers Trophy Cabinet is EmptyMon Dec 30 1991 18:391
33.274YesULYSSE::CHAMPOLLIONChris the JesterMon Dec 30 1991 19:066
33.2754 draws in a row, not championship form, me thinks.XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverMon Dec 30 1991 20:1114
With Leeds having put together a run of 4 draws in a row, MUFC are quickly 
pulling ahead of the pack, or whatever is left of them. Arsenal losing to
Luton and Liverpool also drawing too many games means that it is upto the likes
of City and Sheff Wed to do the chasing behind Leeds. 

We were lucky yesterday not to be put away when it was 1-0 to United, but fair
play to Leeds to stick in there and get back an equaliser. We cannot, however, 
continue to lose points against the likes of Southampton and expect to keep 
championship aspirations. 

More tough games on the horizon against MUFC(2H), West Ham(A) and Sheff Wed(A). 


                            James.
33.276Happy new year to all Leeds fans out there. Lets hope its one to remember for the right reasons.XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverWed Jan 01 1992 15:050
33.277Another away win but what happened at OT ?GIDDAY::PARSONSSupport SLS and see the worldThu Jan 02 1992 03:5312
    
    
    West Ham United   1  Leeds United    3
    
    A good away win although HW wasn't impressed with Leeds' performance.
    The report I heard said Chapman got two but didn't name the other
    Leeds scorer. With Man Utd's spectacular result and with Man City,
    Sheff Wed and Arsenal all drawing and Villa losing it was quite a
    good day for Leeds.
    
    I wonder what sort of backlash we will see from Man Utd on Sunday.
    At least this has cancelled out the dropped home points vs Southampton.
33.278Top again !!BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Jan 02 1992 12:4139
    Leeds 3 Soton 3
    
    Christmas came a day late at Elland Road, as Soton were handed a point
    by a strangely uncompetitive and generous Leeds side. No doubt there
    were less than festive words said in the dressing room after the game.
    Hodge got a couple befort 1/2 time, then Soton came back, only for
    Speed to put it at 3-1 with 15 mons to go. Leeds then gave the game
    away, and a 90th minute goal from Soton clinched the point. 2 points
    thrown away, I hope 2 points don't come in important later in the
    season. The fact that the Mancs had won 6-3 away didn't help either !
    
    Leeds 1 Mancs 1
    
    A tough game, as expected. The Mancs played very well, and Webb's goal
    was good, even though there were 1 or possibly 2 Manc playters offside,
    and Whyte had been inpeded. The Mancs then had the chance to make it
    more, but they didn't. Chapman then got an equaliser, but play was
    brought back for a free kick to Leeds - advantage should have been
    played. McAllister made a run into the area on 81, and was brought down
    by a clumsy Pallister - Sterland made it 1-1 from the spot. Strachan
    was suffering from sciatica during the game - so he wasn't his usual
    self, so Sterland took the pen. A 1-1 resulot was fair, but Leeds could
    have taken the 3 points.
    
    West Ham 1 Leeds 3
    
    A good result at Upton Park, Chapman getting 2 and McAllister the other
    one - a real rocket ! West Ham's goal was from a penalty, a careless
    push from Dorigo whan he almost had the ball under control. West Ham
    don't look long in this world I'm afraid. The result from Old Trafford
    brightened the day up though !
    
    Leeds are now top, 1 point clear from the Mancs (who do have 2 games in
    hand), and 9 points clear of 3rd placed Sheff Wed - our next opponents
    in the League. The Mancs are at Elland Road on Sunday for part 2 of the
    Trilogy - a win for Leeds - I hope the Mancs play as well as they did
    against QPR !!!
    
    jb.
33.279Batty SuspensionREPAIR::JAMANIThu Jan 02 1992 16:038
    
    
    Does anyone know how many games Batty will miss through suspension?
    
    I understand he will certainly miss the game against Sheff. Wed.
    
    
    S
33.280Suspension and the MancsBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Jan 02 1992 17:2617
    Batty will miss the away game at Sheff Wed and the home game vs Crystal
    Palace (if no replays resulting from the manc Trilogy. If there is a
    replay for the FAC or the RLC, it will be at OT on Wed 15 Jan, and
    Batts will miss that instead of the Palace Game.
    
    There were no new injuries over the new year, so the same team should
    start vs the Mancs in the FAC on Sunday.
    
    I just saw a couple of Manc fans at lunchtime, and they were not amused
    by yesterday's performance. One performance like that is barely
    acceptable, another one and the waste products will hit the air
    circulation machinery pdq. If the Mancs are going to fall apart, then
    where better than at Elland Road - twice. I don't think so though, they
    will be a handful, and eager to get out of Whining Fergies way.
    
    jb.
    
33.281Full strength.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Jan 03 1992 16:4710
    Leeds will be at full strength on Sunday, with Hodge and Shutt on the
    bench. Sterland has a thigh strain and Strachan still has Sciatica, but
    both will play after treatment. For the Mancs, Giggs will start, and
    Kanchelskis and Irwin will play. It will be interesting to see what
    happens, Leeds must not let the Mancs settle on the ball, 2 goals in 5
    minutes will do nicely ;-), and then put the shutters up.
    
    Leeds to go through.
    
    jb.
33.282Reading Bound ....BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Jan 03 1992 19:165
    I'm sure somebody will report the 2 Manc clashes in here next week -
    I'm in Reading all week, Top Gunning and SWAS/EIS/DS meeting - can't
    wait !
    
    jb.
33.283YUPPY::PANESOh Timmy, you're so lickyFri Jan 03 1992 19:5515
    <<< Note 33.282 by fBAHTAT::BLYTHE "Ee bah gum th's trouble at t'mill" >>>
                            -< Reading Bound .... >-

>    I'm sure somebody will report the 2 Manc clashes in here next week -
>    I'm in Reading all week, Top Gunning and SWAS/EIS/DS meeting - can't
>    wait !
    
>    jb.


Jb,

Will you be getting the beers in if Leeds win???

Stuart
33.284Batty out, Robson & Hodge in ?GIDDAY::PARSONSSupport SLS and see the worldMon Jan 06 1992 05:559
    
    Well with the second (and least important) of the 'War of the
    Roses' trilogy postponed until the 15th (I think) this means
    Batty will not be playing in that game but will now be 
    available for the Palace league game. It also means Robson
    should be available for the rescheduled date.
    
    I haven't heard the 4th round draw yet. No doubt Leeds/Man Utd
    have drawn Sheff Wed away.
33.285Southampton AWAYMASALA::JSALLYCome on the wigwams.Mon Jan 06 1992 06:532
    
    
33.286heheheBHUNA::CPATRICKHumpty Dumpty jumpedMon Jan 06 1992 07:365
    re-1
    
    John,Southampton are away where ???
    
    confused from skeggie
33.287We've a score to settle with SaintsGIDDAY::PARSONSSupport SLS and see the worldMon Jan 06 1992 08:013
    
    I would say Southampton are away out of the FA Cup  :-)  regardless
    of who wins the Leeds/Man Utd game(s).
33.288Directions pleaseYUPPY::PATEMANLife's a One Take MovieMon Jan 06 1992 14:115
    Anyone out there know how to get from Leeds Central Station to Elland
    Road by bus, local rail, cab or whatever?
    
    An aprehensive FE fan
    
33.289BLKPUD::WATTERSONPEat, drink and be sickMon Jan 06 1992 14:3611
    
    Re .288
    
    I'd take a cab if I was you - it's about three miles from the station
    to the ground and the natives aren't very friendly. Buses run back to
    the city centre from behind the Kop - unless you can get in with the
    police escort, the bus is the only way back...
    
    Paul
    
    PS - it might have changed a bit, it's 10 years since I was there last.
33.290Use the Tardis?R2ME2::HINXMANI'll just sit here and rustMon Jan 06 1992 17:156
	re .288

	Wasn't Leeds Central station closed about 25 years ago?
	The surviving station being Leeds City?

	Tony
33.291Humour? Pah!YUPPY::PATEMANLife's a One Take MovieMon Jan 06 1992 17:186
    I thought all Northern Stations were called XXXXXXX Central :-)
    
    All I know is that I'm going where-ever the trains from Kings X come in
    to.
    
    Paul
33.292Live TV CoverageREPAIR::JAMANITue Jan 07 1992 11:476
    
    
    The FA Cup 3rd round game against Man Utd will be shown live by BBC on
    Wednesday 15th January.  The program starts at 7:10pm.
    
    S
33.293injuries/probable teamREPAIR::JAMANIThu Jan 09 1992 16:5429
    
    
    It seems like Dorigo will be out for a while with knee ligament
    problems.  He will be sorely missed!!!  I feel that it was due to his
    injury that Kanchelskis (SP?) was able to get into the game a lot more.
    
    I think that HW will have to re-think his strategy for dealing with
    Man Utd.  Chapman was basically never allowed to get into the game by
    an impressive Pallister.
    
    Below is my suggestion of the team that Leeds may field against Man Utd,
    next Wednesday.  Any comments on the selection?  
    
    
                                 Lukic
    
     Sterland        Fairclough       Whyte             Whitlow
    
    Strachan         Kelly            McCalister        Hodge
    
                     Wallace          Speed
    
    I think the objective will be to keep the ball on the floor.
    
    
    S
    
    
                          
33.294Hot off the press.YUPPY::HOGANThe 91/92 Champions, Don't doubt it!Fri Jan 10 1992 19:295
    Looks like Sterland might be on his way to Liverpool for some 750,000
    to be re-united with Sourpuss. I also read that the replacement from
    the squad would be Danny Wallace!?! Somebody has a sence of humour.
    Leeds to get back to winning ways against Sheffield Wednesday by 2-1.
    United to draw 0-0 with Everton!
33.295the curse of SounessKERNEL::HAWLEYIprophet of Mu MuFri Jan 10 1992 19:323
    STERLAND!!!
    NO!!!!
    
33.296Huh?TRUCKS::SANTFri Jan 10 1992 19:577
    
    	..and surely you mean RAY Wallace, who I seem to remember signed
    	for the Peacocks in the same deal that took Rod to Elland Road.
    
    	But on the other hand, we'd be happy to sell you Danny instead!
    
    	Andy.
33.297Another good away winGIDDAY::PARSONSSupport SLS and see the worldMon Jan 13 1992 00:4310
    
    Sheffield Wednesday   (1) 1   Leeds United   (3) 6
    
    What a way to bounce back after the Man Utd game. Hat-trick for
    Chapman, with goals for Dorigo, Whitlow and Rod Wallace. I don't
    know if Wednesday were still suffering from injuries or the flu
    virus they had last week but this is the best result of the
    season. I don't think Don Revie's Leeds ever managed six in
    an away league game either. It takes Leeds back to the top and
    they now have a better goal difference than Man Utd as well.
33.298Back on top to stay!YUPPY::HOGANThe 91/92 Champions, Don't doubt it!Mon Jan 13 1992 12:4016
       Not quite the scorelines I had predicted but none the less satisfied
    with the nett result. Just been in the Man U. confrence and the wobbles
    have well and truley set in with another very close game going there
    way at home. It was great to see Leeds get such a formidable result 
    without messers Strachan and Batty being involved. I know this will
    invoke replies-we are some 300 behind Man U / Liverpool- but I was 
    glad to see changes in the squad and I also think even more involvement
    from the likes of Kelly,Shutt,Whitlow,McClelland,and especially Hodge-
    how can he even be considered to be left out, have Leeds lost a game 
    whenever he started this season?
    
       It was intresting to see Liverpool starting to fire on all cylinders
    with the narrow victory-I use the word lightly-over Luton, but if you
    want to read something intresting then go into the Liverpool topic and
    look at their 4 last league fixtures, if they win the league it will
    certianly be the hard way.
33.2996 of the best!!FORTY2::ROBERTSONThat's me in the cornerMon Jan 13 1992 12:4424
What a superb display of dominating football!! And without the likes of Strachan
& Batty.

Wednesday didn't even get a look in. Their goal came from about the best trip
I've seen by a molecule of air ;-). I personally believe that the F.A. should be
able to do something after the event. Watson took 2 clear steps after White's
challenge before deciding that he should CHEAT and fake a dive. Personally I 
think he should be fined and suspended for ungentlemanly conduct.

End of gripe.

Now onto the majestic Leeds display. Chapman was devastating. He didn't miss a
header all game, thoroughly deserved his hatrick and subsequent MOM award. 

Wallace didn't stop all game, set up a couple of goals, and deserved his own in
the last couple of minutes.

Come to think of it, not one Leeds player put in anything less than 110% into
their game yesterday, and I hope they can repeat the performance and teach the
Red Devils a lesson on Wednesday.

Leeds to win by the odd goal

Al
33.300A weeek is a long time in footieBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Jan 13 1992 12:5550
    A week's worth to put in -- I've been away from the office for a week,
    I was supposed to be in Reading, but as some pillock crashed into me in
    Leeds last Sunday and bent the front of my car and my neck has gone
    again I didn't get there !
    
    The FA Cup game was postponed - Leeds and district received 1/2 the
    january average rainfall in 12 hours - even my back lawn was
    unplayable! Wednesday's game was characterised by a below par leeds
    performance - they lost to a better side on the night, and with some
    luck it could have been a draw. Dorigo was missed, Sterland and
    Strachan were walking wounded at times (leg and cut shin respectively),
    McClelland was struggling at left back - it wasn't his position and the
    speedy Manc wingers were giving him a hard time. There were 28,500
    there, not a sell out, and it was live, and they are to play again in
    the FA Cup on Wednesday !
    
    The weekends fixtures contained a difficult away trip to Sheff Wed, and
    the Mancs had a less than easy visit from Everton. The Mancs went to
    the top on a temporary basis, before Leeds destroyed Sheff Wed 6-1 at
    Hillsborough, and they were without Strachan and Batty, but Dorigo
    played. The game was excellent, marred by a cheating dive for the
    Sheff Wed penalty, Johnny Giles called the Sheff Wed player a cheat - a
    tag I entirely agree with. Sheff Wed had injuries and some flu
    symptoms, but a 6-1 defeat at home in a local derby and the teams are
    1st and 3rd at the beginning of the weekend's games .... Leeds played
    excellently, and it lifts them for the 3rd game against the Mancs on
    Wed, Strachan is expected to be fit.
    
    Wallace was involved more in the game, and Chapman had lots of crosses
    to convert, which he did 3, Dorigo with a screaming free kick, Mike
    Whitlow with a header and Wallace finished it off. Leeds looked like
    scoring every time they went forward. If they play like this on
    Wednesday ....
    
    Saturday sees Palace at Elland Road, and we don't want a re-run of the
    last 2 games against them - 2 last minute winners. If any of you FE
    fans are coming up, how about a few pints before the game ? Get up to
    Leeds early and we'll have a few pints in the Adelphi - next to
    Tetley's brewery, from there its a 20 minute walk to the ground, or
    take the bus. Directions to the Adelphi from City Station :-
    
    Outside the main station doors, turn right, and walk down New Station
    St, there are building works on your right. Turn Right into Boar Lane,
    and then Right into Lower Briggate. Walk down Lower Briggate, going
    under the railway. Go over the crossraods, and cross the River Aire
    (Leeds Bridge), cross the road, the Adelphi is straight ahead on the
    corner. I usually sit in the 1st room on the right just by the door (a
    creature of habit). Let me know if any of you are coming up.
    
    jb.
33.301DUCK::NAGLEJMon Jan 13 1992 13:254
    
    What a 'super result.'
    
    JN.
33.302How long???YUPPY::PATEMANLife's a One Take MovieMon Jan 13 1992 13:277
    JB,
    
    How long to walk from the Station to the Ground? (And is it safe for us
    foreigners? :-) ) I'm not sure whether the Spindlewood Gardens Crew are
    driving or training yet.
    
    Paul
33.303Its a long and winding roadBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Jan 13 1992 13:367
    re -1
    
    About 20 to 25 minutes. It is generally safe for 'foreigners', though
    jumping up and down waving Palace scarves, chanting 'Death to Leeds' is
    not recommended ! Give me a shout if you're coming up. (DTN 845-2290)
    
    jb.
33.304BEAGLE::CAMPBELLReal ponies don't go oink!Mon Jan 13 1992 17:1510
    Well, speaking as a non-Leeds supporter who has been starved of english
    football for this season, I was lucky enough to see the match on telly
    yesterday and was well entertained! They utterly demolished Wednesday,
    who are not a bad team at the moment, and they did it with style and
    good aggressive play. All this without Strachan and Batty as well. The
    boy Chapman played brill, all in all a damn good advert for British
    soccer (IMHO). Shame about the dive incident, but Wednesday got their
    just desserts.   After seeing this Leeds must be my tip for the title.
    
    Stevo. 
33.305The Anti Soccer LeagueARRODS::OHAGANBThe Voodoo Rhythm DevilsMon Jan 13 1992 20:446
    All references to the word "S*ccer" must be banned. Purlease, it's
    football. :^)
    
    Barry (in total agreement with the chap who rang up Danny Baker
    on Radio 5 with the same complaint). 
                 
33.306ESSB::TSHAUGHNESSYElectric Shaughs!Mon Jan 13 1992 23:454
Ok Barry,
    
      Can you explain what Soccer is so please.                  

33.307A club record for HW's Leeds sideGIDDAY::PARSONSSupport SLS and see the worldTue Jan 14 1992 07:3114
    
    Saw extended highlights of the game over here last night. What a
    good team performance ! It was Leeds' largest ever away league
    win. However I don't think Pallister and the rest of the Man Utd
    defence will be as generous on Wednesday. This game will also
    silence those critics who still maintain Leeds are a one man
    team - at least in midfield.
    
    All in all it was a happy first return to Hillsborough for HW.
    Any news on injuries for Wednesday or whether Strachan will be
    back ? A good performance on Wednesday could have Batty struggling
    to get back in the side on Saturday. Going by Leeds' current away
    form and Man Utd's current home form it's a shame the game is at
    Elland Road and not at Old Trafford.
33.308ESSB::BREETue Jan 14 1992 11:484
    Yes I think Pallister and Bruce may spoil things for Lee(ds) by opting
    to head out the occasional cross.
    
    Paul
33.309Biggest away winBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Jan 14 1992 12:017
    Leeds' biggest away win was in 1930 when they beat Blackpool at
    Bloomfield Road 7-3.
    
    Strachan should be in contention tomorrow, whwther he starts or not is
    up to HW, I expect he will.
    
    jb.
33.310ASKFOR::HAIGHA vision of guerrilla goodness.Tue Jan 14 1992 13:2311
    Err, isn't 6-1 bigger than 7-3?
    
    Leeds are certainly not a one-man team even in midfield. In the league
    match against United (the one with the silly penalty that ended 1-1), I
    thought Speed was brilliant! 
    
    On another note, as far as entertainment is concerned I DO think the
    current Leeds team is better than Revies.
    
    
    		Emelyn Hughes.
33.311:^)YUPPY::OHAGANBTue Jan 14 1992 14:4526
re .306
	>>Ok Barry,
    
  	>>Can you explain what Soccer is so please.                  



soccer (sok'er n. [< (AS)SOC(IATION FOOTBALL)]
	same as ASSOCIATION FOOTBALL.

Kind thanks to the >>Rapid Systems>> Collins Pocket English dictionary
from which this has been used without permission.

There you go, good enough? Beats me why anyone went to such lengths to 
establish a name derived, so tenuously, from the word Association. 
Must have had something to do with various other sports called 
football whose patrons stubbornly insisted on calling their throwing
versions after the name of God's own game. Scandalous.

Barry.

p.s. Leeds fans please forgive the gaping rat-hole opening up here. 
Gary, please move this to a general odd's n sods topic if we have one.



33.312How deep can a rathole get?STKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeTue Jan 14 1992 16:1222
    
> Beats me why anyone went to such lengths to 
> establish a name derived, so tenuously, from the word Association. 
    
    The story I once heard goes somewhere along the lines of:
    
    Two young Gentleman students (ca 1860's ???) one a Rugby player, the
    other a Footballer met approaching the sports field. The Rugby player
    inquired:
    
    "Oh, you're going for a game of Rugger"
    
    The other, realising that he was about to be "out-cooled" from a
    prtactician of the rivalling code:
    
    "No, I'm going for a game of Soccer"
    
    
    Now, what if someone would try and provide a similar service for
    American (anabolic) Football.
    
    Stefan
33.313It gets this deep <----------->YUPPY::OHAGANBTue Jan 14 1992 16:2712
    
>>    Now, what if someone would try and provide a similar service for
>>    American (anabolic) Football.
    
    Stefan

Am(eric)an.

How about "eric"? Just imagine it? "Coming down to the mall Brad".
"No Tom, I'm off for a game of Eric"

:^)
33.314Soccer v Football - see note 148GALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Tue Jan 14 1992 16:344
    
    can we move this discussion to note 148.
    
    Gary.
33.315Gee Whizz Soccer / StrachanBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Jan 14 1992 17:4312
    Well, my little nephew (a goddam yank for christ's sake !) plays
    Soccer. he is coming over to Yorkshire at the beginning of Feb, so
    he'll get taken down to Elland Road to see Football, to see the Villa
    get beat (or more probably and FA Cup 5th round tie).
    
    Strachan should be fit, Wilko then has the (nice) problem of who to
    pick - I expect Shutt will make way for the wee Scot and Shutt and Mike
    Whitlow will be on the bench. I hope Leeds will win this one - then
    honours will be evenly shared between 2 evenly matched teams, currently
    the best in the country.
    
    jb.
33.316Thoughts on tomorrow nightODYSSY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverTue Jan 14 1992 20:3316
I have been away for a while and see what happens. We lose badly to MUFC last 
Wednesday and then chop wednesday into little pieces on Sunday. What a 
rollercoaster.

I am however not very optimistic about tomorrow night as MUFC seem to have the 
measure of us right now. MUFC would never play the way wednesday did on Sunday.
Not in a thousand years would they let Leeds get 4 headers on goal, let alone 
score from them.

At least it proves that Leeds will not lie down and let United have the league on
a plate.

United can have the Cups if they give us the league, I say.

   
                              James.
33.317Records when no-one bothered with defenceGIDDAY::PARSONSSupport SLS and see the worldWed Jan 15 1992 08:2211
    
    I thought record scores were measured on margin of victory. For 
    example Leeds list their 1-8 defeat against Stoke City in 1934
    as their biggest defeat but they conceded 9 against Bradford in
    1946 (4-9). It's just as well War games aren't counted as well,
    they lost 0-9 to Newcastle in 1943 - and then won 7-1 in the
    return game 7 days later !
    
    Anyway back to the serious business of trying to beat Man Utd on
    the 8th attempt since our return to Division 1, and trying to win
    our first home game in 5.
33.318But will it be foggy ?BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Jan 15 1992 12:2816
    Tonight's game kicks off at 7.10pm - getting to the ground will be fun,
    as the football rush will coincide with the rush hour. A crowd of over
    30,000 is expected, yesterday there were 1,000 tickets still available
    for seats with restricted views.
    
    I hope it isn't foggy tonight, games in the East of the country were
    abandoned / cancelled last night, and its misty now which doesn't auger
    well for tonight, the last thing that we want is another postponement
    (the BBC will then have to show ???).
    
    I hope Leeds will beat the Mancs at the 8th time of asking, a 1-0 will
    be enough - I can't see a 6-1 tonight. Giggs and the Ukranian will have
    to be stopped, but Dorigo and Sterland will be fitter tonight, and
    Strachan should also be playing.
    
    jb.
33.319predictionESSB::BREEWed Jan 15 1992 12:353
    2-0 for the reds.
    
    Paul
33.320CRISPY::COSSEYNWed Jan 15 1992 13:4724
    
    
     I think Man Utd will be to strong for Leeds tonight so I'll go for
     a 2-0 result to the Manc's, Dorigo will obviously make a differance
     to leeds defence but thats not going to make much differance if
     Giggs is taking the p**s out of Sterland he was given the run around
     by Giggs last week and won't be realishing it tonight. 
    
     Glad to see Sterland managed to get his legs unknotted in time for
     Sundays game against Wednesday.
    
     Read an artical in the paper yesterday which said,
    
     Wilkinson should drop Chapman as in the last two meetings he hasn't
     got a look in against a quality defence, good point!! Chapmans great
     at exploiting poor defenders but up against quality defenders he's
     clueless.
    
     Even so, if it's anything like the other two meetings it should be a
     good game.
    
                               Neil.....
    
                              
33.321News just in ..BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Jan 15 1992 16:416
    Late News :-
    
    Strachan is doubtful for tonight, he will have a late fitness check.
    Williams is added to the squad for cover.
    
    jb.
33.3222 - 0 to the Reds!SHAWB1::STOCKMANSWed Jan 15 1992 16:466
I must say LEEDS looked good on Sunday but the REDS tonight are a completely & I
mean COMPLETELY different prospect.

So it's 2 - 0 to the REDS! For Mr Tony Parsons let's call it 3 - 1 to the REDS!

Si...
33.323Calling Jon FishCOMICS::WATTERSONOne more mint Mr President ?Wed Jan 15 1992 16:538
    
    JB,
    
    what's the weather like in Leeds at the moment - is it worth rushing
    home from football tonight, or is it possible the game could be fogged
    off ?
    
    Paul
33.324...match commentary...YUPPY::SEABURYSWed Jan 15 1992 17:3718
    4-2 to Leeds, with Champman getting a hat-trick...
    
    ...Pallister to blame for at least 2 Leeds goals, a blatent trip in the
    penalty area, and losing possesion at the halfway line after a Maradona
    impression went wrong and being hopelessly out of position...
    
    ...Leeds 2-0 up at half-time...
    
    ...Giggs and Kanchelskis to get the mancs goals in the second half and
    bring the score back to 3-2...
    
    ...Champman finishes off the scoring late in the second half after
    Wallace unselfishly squares the ball with Schmeichal(sp??) well beaten.
    
    Not worth going home to watch it now, really, is it??!!?? 8-)
    
    Stew.
    
33.325Should be OKBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Jan 15 1992 18:064
    It's misty in Horsforth, more fog is expected tonight, but mostly on
    higher ground - ie the match should go ahead at 7.10 pm
    
    jb.
33.326KURMA::JSALLYCome on the wigwams.Wed Jan 15 1992 19:065
    
    Any chance that this is the live game on SKY Sports tonight ????
    
    
    John
33.327ASKFOR::HAIGHA vision of guerrilla goodness.Wed Jan 15 1992 19:134
    I don't think it's on live, but there are highlights at 21:00.
    
    
    		Steve
33.328KURMA::JSALLYCome on the wigwams.Wed Jan 15 1992 19:187
    
    
    There's certainly some FA Cup game on, and the programme starts at
    7pm. Just thought that a 7.10pm kick off was a bit unusual unless
    it's been timed for telly.
    
    John
33.329NEWOA::PALKWed Jan 15 1992 19:244
    
    
    Its live on BBC1
    
33.330Not in Scotland :(MASALA::JSALLYCome on the wigwams.Wed Jan 15 1992 19:542
    
    
33.331DUCK::NAGLEJWed Jan 15 1992 19:574
    
    Leeds to mullah Man U. all over the park tonight. 
    
    JN.
33.332SHAWB1::STOCKMANSWed Jan 15 1992 20:277
re -1



No chance! The reds'll give Leeds huge lashie tonight!!!!


33.333Mancs fluke it again.ESSB::MCUNNIFFEd i g i t a lThu Jan 16 1992 01:4423
                       <<< Note 33.331 by DUCK::NAGLEJ >>>

    
    Leeds to mullah Man U. all over the park tonight. 
    
   Leeds 0 Mancs 1 (Hughes)
   
    Leeds did run the Mancs all over the field but were the unluckiest team
since Liverpool were beaten in the 88 cup final, Arsenal league game in 1989,
semi against Palace in 1990. It was a total travesty of justice. Ledds ran them
off the park for most of the first half but right at the end, Hodge attacks, 
loses possession, the Mancs break down the left, Giggs crosses and Hughes scores
with a header. Chapman had several good chances but the luck never went their
way. He later went off with a bad hand injury after what should have been a 
penalty. If I was the referee in that game, there is no way Utd would be going
to the Dell for the next round.
     Still Leeds can now solely concentrate on the championship and let's hope
that the two cup competitions take their toll on the Mancs. I don't care if 
Utd. won all the cups in the country as long as they don't win the league.

     Disgusted yet again,
                  Cunno

33.334Heads up lads..there's the big 1 still to play for..TRUCKS::SANTThu Jan 16 1992 11:3314
33.335How will Lee cope with his injury???ESSB::BREEThu Jan 16 1992 11:373
    His eyesight might improve.
    
    Paul
33.336If only it'd been foggy!!FORTY2::ROBERTSONThat's me in the cornerThu Jan 16 1992 13:1426
What a great advert for English football. It's a shame there had to be a winner.

Leeds were the better side on the night. They were totally dominant in the first
half having 3 good chances but converting none (2 to Chapman & Hodge 1) mainly
due to the fine keeping by Schmeichel. United scored with their only real chance
of the half, but what a great move, and Giggs cross was inch perfect.

The second half saw the Mancs starting to play in midfield, and this evened out
the game, and from start to finish it was end to end stuff. Both sides had good
chances, the best falling to Leeds with 2 goal-line clearances from Fairclough &
Chapman.

Leeds can feel hard done by after last night. They should be proud of their 
performance, they did everything but score. It was just one of those games.
Credit must go to Man U for their persistence in defence, which gave them
the luck they needed.

I hope Chapman's injury clears up as quickly as possible, it was a nasty fall.
He will be sorely missed up front in the run in to the championship.

Back to winning ways on saturday against Palace. The FE's have been struggling
over the last few weeks, and this should be a perfect opportunity to pay them
back for the only league defeat so far. I put 3-0 in the predictions note, but
now that Chapman's out I reckon it'll be 2-0, Wallace getting both.

Al
33.337Chapman injury?REPAIR::JAMANIThu Jan 16 1992 13:4511
    
    
    I am hearing conflicting rumours about Chapman's injury.
    
    Some reports state he will be out for THREE MONTHS!!!
    
    Can someone please confirm if this is true??
    
    
    Deeply Concerned Leeds fan 
    s
33.338CRISPY::NAGLEJThu Jan 16 1992 14:1516
    
    Gutted !! Thats all I can say. Credit to Man U. though, their
    only real chance in the game and they took it.
    
    Gary "if in doubt take 'im out" Pallister certainly put one on
    Lee Chapman and should have been booked at least and Leeds should
    have had a penalty. Put it this way, if Chapman had walloped the
    keeper the way he was walloped by Pallister Man U. would have 
    had a free kick.
    
    BTW. Chapman, according to this mornings Daily Mail, has a broken
    wrist and will be out for about three months.
    
    I think MAN United will now go all the way and take the FA cup.
    
    JN.
33.339The wrong team got throughYUPPY::SEABURYSThu Jan 16 1992 14:2613
    Oh well, I got the game right, but the score wrong...
    
    Commiserations to Leeds who played the mancs off the park last night,
    and were totally unlucky to go out...
    
    The Chapman injury is interesting...
    Apparently he's broken a bone in either his wrist or his hand, and will
    be out for 3 months!! Hope this doesn't affect Leed's title
    challenge...
    
    Stew.
    
    
33.340SUBURB::ABSOLOMTRevengeThu Jan 16 1992 16:056
    All this cr*p about Pallister is well out of order. Whitlock dragged
    down Andre, who was through on goal and didn't even get a booking!!!
    
    Leeds should have finished with nine men
    
    Tony
33.341a bit better than 3 monthsSIOG::SPENCERPeter Spencer @DBO 827-2286Thu Jan 16 1992 16:362
    According to Radio 5 half an hour ago, Chapman will be out for 7 weeks
    with his broken wrist.
33.342CRISPY::NAGLEJThu Jan 16 1992 16:456
    re:- 33.340
    
    Point taken. He should have been sent off after obviously trying
    a rugby tackle.
    
    JN.
33.343Deane to replace Chapman?PANIC::QUINLESSMartin Quinless Digital Services London UKThu Jan 16 1992 17:3110
    There is already speculation in the papers that Wilco will sign a
    replacement to keep up the championship challenge. Brian Deane from
    Sheffield Untited has been mentioned.
    
    Bad luck last night but an entertaining game. Excellent cross by Giggs
    but I think you have to question Leeds defence a bit.
    
    Should be back to winning ways against the FEs on Saturday.
    
    Martin
33.344SUBURB::ABSOLOMTRevengeThu Jan 16 1992 17:513
    My guess is Dion Dublin, at around 1.5 million.
    
    Tony
33.345WHAT !!CURRNT::PAGEDThu Jan 16 1992 19:311
    Get yer hands off our Deano ya b*****s !!!
33.346Aldo for Leeds.ESSB::MCUNNIFFEd i g i t a lThu Jan 16 1992 21:047

    Now is the time for Wilkinson to make a daring bid for one John Aldridge.
This would be the coup of the season and I think that Wilko will indeed go
for Aldo.

    Cunno.
33.347You Jest MartinESSB::TSHAUGHNESSYElectric Shaughs!Thu Jan 16 1992 22:0017
33.348I'm deadly serious.ESSB::MCUNNIFFEd i g i t a lThu Jan 16 1992 22:2852
33.349dreamingMACNAS::MHASSETTFri Jan 17 1992 11:312
    re last.
    			Has he woken up yet???!! 
33.350Lee back in MarchFORTY2::ROBERTSONThat's me in the cornerFri Jan 17 1992 12:5511
re 33.341
>According to Radio 5 half an hour ago, Chapman will be out for 7 weeks
>with his broken wrist.

This was also on CEEFAX last night. Chapman was operated on on wednesday night,
should be in a cast for about 5 weeks, and Wilko expects him to be back in the
team 2 weeks later.

Will Wilko buy, Loan or stick to what he's got for the 7 weeks?

Al
33.351SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Fri Jan 17 1992 13:195
33.352Still on top !BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Jan 17 1992 13:5229
    Leeds 0 Mancs 1
    
    The better side didn't win on the night this time ! I won't go into
    match reporting, as it has been done to death already. The injury to
    Chappo is a blow, but Leeds are not a 1 man team. Every striker is
    being linked with Leeds at the moment, something may or may not happen.
    
    Chappo will miss out on Palace h, Notts C h, Oldham a, Villa h (but if
    Villa make it to the FA Cup R5 this won't happen), Everton a (live on
    ITV Sunday 23 Feb, KO 3.20), Luton h, he may be back for Spurs a on Sat
    7 March - that's 6 matches at the least, and 8 at the most, and the
    games are aginst not quite top drawer opposition.
    
    Back to the league - a win against Palace will rekindle spirits, and
    then there is a 2 week gap, for rest and contemplation, before Notts
    County at Elland Rd - one of Wilko's old clubs. The Mancs have a tough
    schedule ahead - 3 away games at the 2 Nottinghams and the Arse - is it
    too much to hope a gap appears between Leeds and the Mancs who will be
    distracted by the Cups ? The Scousers are coming on apace, the title
    race isn't over yet.
    
    Leeds are out of the cups, it is a pity they had to meet the Mancs so
    early in the FA Cup, it would have been better to meet them in the
    later stages, but life's a bitch !
    
    Leeds are still top of the league though - that's the real test of a
    team.
    
    jb.
33.353Did he jump, or was he pushed??YUPPY::SEABURYSFri Jan 17 1992 13:5614
    I would've thought Bobby Davison was the perfect replacement for
    Chapman...
    
    Why waste money buying a replacement???
    
    But, it Wilko decides to buy, then what about an unbelieveably daring
    bid for Alan Smith from Arsenal?? Clive Allen from Chelsea?? Graeme
    Sharpe from Oldham?? The list of possibilities is endless...
    
    Mind you, who'd want to sign for a club knowing that they'd only be in
    the team for 7 weeks, untill Chapman is fit??
    
    Stew.
    
33.354Team news.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Jan 17 1992 17:1033
    Tomorrows' team will probably be :-
    
    Lukic
    Sterland
    Dorigo
    Fairclough
    Whyte
    Batty
    McAllister
    Strachan
    Hodge
    Speed
    Wallace
    
    Davison and Whitlow as Subs
    
    Speed will act as the striker, he's pretty good in the air as well.
    Wallace and Strachan will probably play wide. 
    
    I still expect a win tomorrow, even though Chappo is out, the rest of
    the team look good, Palace don't have a Giggs or a Kanchelkis, so
    Sterland and Dorigo will be able to get forward. There will be more
    shots coming from the midfield tomorrow, due to our target man being
    injured - should be a good game. Palace have 1 or 2 injuries to contend
    with, and we need to avenge the only league defeat of the season.
    
    Fortress Elland Road has been turned into a structure more akin to a
    sandcastle lately (Totts, Soton, Mancs - draws, Mancs 2 losses) is the
    depressing reading. Leeds are playing better away from home at the
    moment - let's hope it's tomorrow whwn they resume their winning ways
    in the league !
    
    jb.
33.355Cunno turns WhiteESSB::BLONGThe Scousers Trophy Cabinet is EmptyFri Jan 17 1992 17:2611
33.356Depressing :-((((((, not as bad as it could have been.ODYSSY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Jan 17 1992 17:3316
I have been in a very depressed mood for the last two days over Wed evening.
Not alone do we lose by a sheer piece of undivine injustice but we also lose 
Chapman for a possible 6-10 matches. 

It isn't all bad news however as it leaves the way clear for a full tilt at the
championship. Note 33.352 and 33.354 have cheered me up no end with the list of 
matches that Leeds and MUFC have to play in the next few weeks together with the 
team that will be fielded tomorrow is still a very powerful combination. 

Thankfully we don't have to play MUFC again this season as they seem to have the 
hex over us. There is absolutely no way MUFC will be able to keep their interest 
in all three competitions and will crack in something, most likely the 
championship. As the old adage goes it's darkest before the dawn and this is 
our darkest day.

			James. :-))))))
33.357European Championships '92 DrawYUPPY::SEABURYSFri Jan 17 1992 18:5517
    Group 1
    -------
    SWEDEN
    FRANCE
    YUGOSLAVIA
    ENGLAND
    
    Group 2
    -------
    HOLLAND
    SCOTLAND
    CIS (Commonwealth of Independant States)
    GERMANY
    
    
    Stew.
    
33.358Wrong note (:==:)?AIMTEC::WICKS_AOh no he's back in Atlanta!!Fri Jan 17 1992 19:567
    Stew,
    
    I,m confused - which group are Leeds in?
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
33.359Still top !BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Jan 20 1992 15:0825
    Leeds 1 Palace 1
    
    Another draw against another bogey team !
    
    Leeds wer fortunate not to be 2 or 3 down after 20 minutes - they
    weren't in the game, and whan Thomas whacked in a 20 yarder I wasn't
    surprised. Leeds then woke up, and Fairclough equalised from a flicked
    on by Speed Strachan corner. 1- 1at 1/2 time was about right. In the
    2nd half, Palace were all hands defending and were joined by the post
    and the crossbar. Speed could have had a hat-trick, Wallace a couple,
    bad luck and good defending kept Leeds out, and they dropped 2 points.
    The Mancs did as well, but the Scousers, Man City and Wednesday all
    won, the Scousers are now 9 points behind.
    
    Chapman was missed, its either rejig (the team did play well on Sat,
    but couldn't score) or get the cheque book out. names bandied about
    have been Steve Bull, Brian Deane, Tony Cascarino and Duncan Shearer
    (Swindon and ex-Huddersfield). I think the cheque book will stay
    closed.
    
    The next game is Notts County at home on 1 Feb - 2 weeks rest and
    tactic changing coming up. The Mancs have Villa at OT on Wed - not at
    all easy - come on the Villa !
    
    jb.
33.362Mr ModeratorESSB::BREEMon Jan 20 1992 18:503
    What hapened to .360 and 361??
    
    Paul
33.363Here's why ...BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Jan 20 1992 18:5916
    re .360 and .361
    
    I tried to add them, but owing to Disk Quota Exceeded they didn't do in
    (this is a feature - the count should be upped when the txn (adding a
    note) has been completed successfully).
    
    The contents were :-
    
    Kerry Dixon of Chelsea is the latest striker to be linked with Leeds.
    
    Wilko will face a charge of misconduct after being reported by the ref
    after Sunday last's 6-1 hammering of Sheff Wed. The linesman needed
    glasses / white stick ! If found 'guilty' a touchline ban / fine
    awaits.
    
    jb.
33.364No neutrals?SIOG::SPENCERPeter Spencer @DBO 827-2286Tue Jan 21 1992 18:028
    Rather a disturbing policy at Leeds if what I read is true. 
    
    Apparently a small group of alleged neutrals at an Elland Road match were 
    asked to leave the stand at half-time by a steward as they were not 
    cheering for Leeds. 
    
    Is football now only for the fanatics of either team with the neutrals 
    limited to tv?
33.365The Leeds Bond / Bayern MunichBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Jan 22 1992 15:2145
33.366Transfer NewsBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Jan 24 1992 15:087
33.367OZ's top footballerGALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Fri Jan 24 1992 16:444
    
    Re -1, I think it's Farina and he'd be a very good signing.
    
    Gary.
33.368On loan ?BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Jan 27 1992 13:418
    Farina looks to be coming to Elland Road, initially on loan for an
    extended trial period. HW doesn't go out and just buy any old player -
    they have to fit in. Apparantley there have been dome players who were
    to come to Leeds, but they couldn't come to terms with involvement they
    were expected to have with the community - each Leeds player has 7
    hours per week Community Service written into their contracts.
    
    jb.
33.369Aldo is the right man.ESSB::MCUNNIFFEd i g i t a lMon Jan 27 1992 16:405
 If Leeds have any commonsense, they should make a bid for the best striker
available and that is THE GREAT ALDO. Wilko should forget about that guy
Ferina and buy a striker who is a dead cert to score goals.

        Cunno.
33.370Cunno's right, for once ;-)SIOG::SPENCERPeter Spencer @DBO 827-2286Mon Jan 27 1992 18:004
    The words commonsense and Cunno are usually mutually exclusive but I
    totally agree with him here. I am amazed Leeds did not immediately sign
    tga after Chapman's injury. They have nothing to lose, bar a few quid,
    and potentially the Championship to gain.
33.371?BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Jan 27 1992 18:298
    Aldridge wanted to come back to Merseyside, as that's where all his
    buddies and family are. With these commitments, he might not be able to
    honour contractural arrangements of Leeds United players - ie community
    service etc.
    
    However, you never know ...
    
    jb.
33.372Leeds go public.TRUCKS::SANTTue Jan 28 1992 13:3216
    
    	jb,
    
    	I'm interested to hear about these "community relations"
    	requirements..
    
    	Excellent idea by the Leeds powers to "encourage" their employees
    	to go out to their paying public and build community links. This
    	is tremendous, and has probably had a lot to do with the Leeds
    	United drive for excellence along side eliminating the unwelcome
    	elements all-to-often publicised in the past. Leeds deserve any
    	and all the success they get. Shame a few more of the "big" clubs
    	don't have a more hi-profile exposure in this way. Leeds are
    	truely a BIG club in more ways than one.
    
    	Andy.
33.373No Aussie / On their wayBAHTAT::LZOP01::blytheThere's still the League !Tue Jan 28 1992 14:3911
Still no sign of Farina, it is hoped he will turn out for Leeds on Wed 
vs Bayern. He holds an Italian passport, so work permits wont be a 
problem. He is initially here for a week's trial, but this may be 
extended to a loan with view to a transfer.

Andy Williams has gone on a months' loan to Notts County, with 1 
proviso - he doesn't play against Leeds on Saturday. Bobby Davison 
won't be going to Derby County, he says he has been mucked about with 
and may go to WBA on loan.

jb.
33.374Leeds won't win the leagueSUBURB::ABSOLOMTI drank Yeltsin under the tableTue Jan 28 1992 16:263
    Touche.
    
    Tony
33.375Farina|Ferino|himWARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringTue Jan 28 1992 17:271
    The Farina deal has fallen through. Aldo still available though!
33.376Another TriallistBAHTAT::LZOP01::blytheThere's still the League !Tue Jan 28 1992 17:324
A different trialist - Kalman Kovac (sp ?) from Hungary (?) is due for 
a week's trial - work permit still to be sorted out.

jb.
33.377KovacsCASEE::MERRICKToo many scientists, not enough hunchbacksTue Jan 28 1992 17:546
    RE: -1 Kalman Kovacs
    
    This is probably the Auxerre forward and ex-Honved Budapest player. He
    is currently out of favour at Auxerre after they bought another striker
    from Brest-Armorique.
    
33.378TRUCKS::SANTTue Jan 28 1992 19:2110
    
    	re Kovacs..
    
    	..and a good player he is too. Just ask Liverpool! He was largely
    	responsible for the tearing apart of Liverpool when Grabatair
    	saved them earlier on this season in the EUFA away leg in France.
    
    	Andy.
    

33.379Up the Arse !!!!!BAHTAT::LZOP01::blytheLeeds Leeds Leeds !!!Wed Jan 29 1992 14:3511
Wilko said on Radio Leeds last night that he had been looking at Kovacs 
for some time, even if they bought him now, it would be next season 
before he could play, as work permits etc would have to be sorted out. 
Wilko was also annoyed at all the speculation over Farina, he said he 
wasn't into short term measures, so it looks like the cheque book will 
remain closed for the time being. Chapman is being missed, we'll have 
to see how they get on against Notts County on Saturday, a 
comprehensive home win (long overdue) and the Mancs and the Scousers 
dropping points at the Arse will be the best possible scenario....

jb (temporary Arse supporter).
33.380Don't be Fogged off BAHTAT::LZOP01::blytheLeeds Leeds Leeds !!!Wed Jan 29 1992 19:026
The game against Bayern looks dodgy - the undersoil heating has been doing 
its work, but fog is another matter. It's been foggy all day, and it is 
expected to be thicker after dark, as well as b**** cold. I may stay in 
and watch the Arse beat the Pool (or will it be an exciting 0-0 draw ?)

jb.
33.381A draw.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Jan 30 1992 13:2418
    Leeds 1 Bayern 1
    
    I didn't go in the end, it was b**** cold, and I had to be up early
    this morning (6.5 125 to Brum, I'm in the Sutton Coldfield office this
    morning). Hodge scored for Leeds on 10, a Strachan / Sterland
    combination resulting in a cross to Hodge. Hodge could have had a hat
    trick in 20 minutes, but didn't. Bayern equalised after a silly Whyte
    back pass, and the 2nd half was more practice than anything else -
    Strachan and Batty being replaced by Kelly and Whitlow - Kelly played
    very well, and HW rates him. I wonder if he will see any acion in the
    next few games ? Wallace also played well, he is good onm the flanks
    running at the defenders. Shutt had 20 minutes as well, but the tempo
    of the game was one of a practice by then.
    
    Notts County on Sat, 3 badly needed pointys are at stake, good luck to
    the Arse and Chelsea !
    
    jb.
33.382To Bond or not to Bond WELCLU::CADDI Got a T.V., You Got a T.V.Fri Jan 31 1992 20:2921
    
    
      The Leeds v Bayern match started VERY slow (well it was a friendly).
          I was stuck to my seat at half time (due to the cold).
    
       I expected to see Kovacs but it takes about 2 weeks for his EC
    work permit to come through. I agree with jb (-1),Kelly does look a good
    player, has good vision and controls the ball well. Batts was
    substituted at half time due to a dead leg. Huggy gave away a stupid
    goal but what the heck it was only a friendly. Hoeness is in the middle
    of a rebuilding program after his star players moved to Italy mostly.
       One of the Laudrup brothers plays for them and i was impressed with
    his performance.
    
    
    Paul.
    
          Notts county tomorrow (weather permitting), we could go back top
    if the mancs slip up with a draw or lose. 
    
           
33.383Our turn on top again ...GIDDAY::PARSONSSupport SLS and see the worldMon Feb 03 1992 05:2715
    
    
    Leeds United  (1) 3   Notts County   (0) 0
    
    Sterland
    Batty !!!!!
    Wallace
    
    A day for collectors items, first home win since November and
    David Batty scores again - that's twice in one season !
    Back on top as well and HW signs Eric Cantona the 'volatile'
    Frenchman on loan until the end of the season. That's a sensible
    move, no money wasted if he doesn't perform (unlike Graham Taylor
    and his panic buy of Cascarino for Villa two seasons ago in
    similar circumstances).
33.384Back to the top.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Feb 03 1992 13:3027
33.385BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Feb 03 1992 19:188
    A fixture change -
    
    The Sheff Utd (a) game will now be played on Sun 26 April, 12 noon
    kick off.
    
    The League title will already be at Elland Road by then.
    
    jb.
33.386OPG::TONYMon Feb 03 1992 21:379
> The League title will already be at Elland Road by then.

John,

I hope for your sake that it happens cos we've seen the above alot lately..!!

Overconfident   or    Very nervous...!!!!

Tony
33.387News / FSA Meeting (longish)42820::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Feb 04 1992 17:47170
33.388What's left - a prediction.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Feb 04 1992 18:0519
    What is  left ?
    Oldham a - w	3
    Villa h - w		6
    Everton a - w	9
    Luton h - w		12
    Spurs a - d		13
    Wimbledon h - w	16
    Arse a - d		17
    West Ham h - w	20
    Man C a - d		21
    Chelsea h - d	22
    Liverpool a - l	22
    Coventry h - w	25
    Sheff U a - d	26
    Norwich h - w	29
    
    14 games, 29 points.
    
    jb.
33.389What did Emily Hughes say?XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverTue Feb 04 1992 19:3813
While reading the match report on Sunday I came across a comment about some
enterprising chaps selling "who is Emily Hughes anyhow" T-shirts. Why? 
Was it that he said Leeds didn't have the players to last out the league 
chase or something equally stupifying? 

Re -1. I wonder is it enough points ( 29 from 14 games ) to win the league with. 
It may depend upon how much further MUFC go in the cups. For our sake I hope 
that they have loads of replays and eventually win both of the cups ;-).

Hope this Catona boy is the stuff and not as load of bluff.


                             James.
33.390Crazy Horse Hughes / The team Mark Hughes dives forBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Feb 04 1992 19:5320
    re Emlyn Hughes.
    
    He slagged off Leeds in the Daily Mirror before the Manc games - Every
    Leeds side is Evil / All Leeds fans are Neanderthals - that sort of
    thing. It didn't go down too well with Leeds Uniterd, Leeds City
    Council and the Police. Mr Hughes has been written to, and warned the
    next time he says anything like that he will be hearing from Messrs
    Sue, Grabbit and Runne, there might also be a summons in the post for
    incitement.
    
    re -1
    
    Look in the Manc note for a guess of how they will do - I don't think
    there will be a lot in it at the end. Any team finishing above Leeds
    will be Champions. Remember, the Mancs have a 4th round replay, a 2
    leg R Cup semi, and there's still lots of bad weather to come. Maybe
    the Mancs will get to the semis of the FA Cup as well, (after replays
    of course) and get knocked out by Wrexham.
    
    jb.
33.39112 years of tory rule, and then you get...ANNECY::ROWLAND_Aa slip of the tongueWed Feb 05 1992 13:349
    
    "Leeds Uniterd"
    
    So, you actually have purpose built shit factories up there ? Wouldn't
    have thought it necessary myself .... 
    
    8-)
    
    Ads.
33.392Sp.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Feb 05 1992 19:373
    For the illiterate amongst us, 'Terd' is spelt 'Turd'
    
    jb.
33.393mummy, mummy, look at that man's head ....ANNECY::ROWLAND_Aa slip of the tongueWed Feb 05 1992 20:054
    
    And for the humourless, "pedantic" is spelt "kiss_my_left_one, buddy"
    
    AJ.
33.394No Eric tonightBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Feb 05 1992 20:425
    Cantona will not play in the reserve game vs Bolton at Elland Road
    tonight, he still hasn't acheived Match fitness. It is possible he
    might be sub on Saturday at Oldham.
    
    jb.
33.396It's obvious what is planned :^)GIDDAY::PARSONSSupport SLS and see the worldThu Feb 06 1992 12:0110
    
    Of course it all falls into place ...
    
    10 minutes to go and Leeds trail 2-0, with Man Utd leading 2-1
    against Sheff Wed it seems Leeds are going to be knocked off the
    top. Then on comes super sub and with typical Gallic flair scores
    a hat trick, the final goal being a 50 yard lob from the halfway
    line to keep Leeds on top. Making him sub will ensure all those
    millions of Canal+ viewers will stay tuned until the end of the
    game (and the end of the adverts).
33.397RIGHTO::HAIGHand it would be O.K. on any other day...Thu Feb 06 1992 12:434
    Anybody know what the odds are on Cantona getting sent off?
    
    
    	Steve
33.398No prima donnas please !GIDDAY::PARSONSSupport SLS and see the worldThu Feb 06 1992 12:463
    
    If he gets sent-off (assuming he plays or is a sub) he'll be on
    his way back to France before the classified results !
33.399400 Vs 950 notes Lads!!!YUPPY::HOGANThe 91/92 Champions, Don't doubt it!Thu Feb 06 1992 17:5713
    Just been in the MUFC confrence for the umpteinth time and there is a
    definate feeling of despondancy creeping into their thoughts. It was
    the best possible result for Leeds, note that I thought it was a great
    game and tough luck to Man U. as I thought they played textbook stuff
    for most of the match, but I'm a Leeds fan through and through and that
    result will depleat energy and moral which is needed now more than
    ever. If one team opens up a gap of more than four points then I think
    that team will win the championship. Now, H.W. has he been clever? well
    I think he has gambled and probably won Leeds the league with the
    signing of Monsieur Cantona as he will add an unperdictable flavour
    to the Leeds team and inadvertantly pepping up the rest of the team
    to compete for places. What will happen to the likes of Shutt who
    intrested Liverpool before Sourpuss got in.
33.400Why do Man U & Liverpool play poorly in the Cups ?GIDDAY::PARSONSSupport SLS and see the worldFri Feb 07 1992 05:1516
    
    I don't think the Man Utd / Soton result will help Leeds as much
    as if Man Utd had got through. There will be a backlash on Saturday,
    and now Man Utd only have 3 Cup games at the most left. If they
    had got through they could have been playing midweek Cup games
    right through until April. I wish they would keep their poor
    performances for the league (like QPR game) rather than the Cups.
    The same applies to Liverpool, if only the Peterborough and Bristol
    Rovers and Stoke and (was it Port Vale ?) games had been league
    games.
    
    Any team news for tomorrow ? Since Villa are still in the FA Cup
    I presume the league game against them on the 15th is off, which
    will please Lee Chapman, he'll probably be fit when the game is
    finally played. Wonder if he'll make it a hat-trick this time, or
    stick to 2 goals as usual. 
33.401Have a Guess.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Feb 07 1992 14:0711
    Wilko wil decide who plays tomorrow before kick off ! Sterland should
    have shaken off the leg injury picked up against Notts County, Cantona
    may or may not play. If he does, Speed will drop to midfield and Hodge
    will be sub.
    
    The game vs Villa next Sat is now a TBA fixture. Leeds tried to move the 
    Easter Tuesday game vs Coventry but Coventry didn't want to, so it
    looks like a blank weekend, or more probably a friendly vs Team T of
    Country C, at home or away.
    
    jb.
33.402Team T from Country C, away.XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Feb 07 1992 14:487
Re: -1

I remember reading something a while back about the fact that Leeds will be 
playing Shelbourne in Dublin sometime around the 15th of this month. Can 
anyone else confirm or deny it?

                            James.
33.403Begorrah, it's Leeds againBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Feb 07 1992 15:018
    re -1
    
    I haven't heard anything about Shelbourne, but it would make sense,
    they have played Shelbourne a lot in the past, a good crowd will turn
    up (a chance for the substantial group of Leeds O'Fans to go and see
    their adopted team).
    
    jb.
33.404Leeds v Shels next weekGALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Fri Feb 07 1992 16:444
    
    Leeds meet shels next Thursday at Tolka Park.
    
    Gary.
33.405Still top come Tea-Time.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Feb 07 1992 18:2111
    I hope that 3 points come from the fixture at Boundary park on Sat.
    I'll be in the area, am on the East Lancs Railway between Bury and
    Ramsbottom (Tup's Arse) and pm watching Burnley leather Lincoln and
    remain top of Div 4, so I'll tune in to Radio Lancashire and see how
    things are progressing at OT (lack of Manc progression) and Boundary
    Park.
    
    I'm off now to talk to the Quack on the results of a head
    X-Ray...(honest - no sneaky jokes you lot out there ;-) )
    
    jb.
33.406CantonaREPAIR::JAMANIFri Feb 07 1992 19:095
    
    
    Why exactly has Cantona got such a 'bad' reputation?
    
    S
33.407Sgt Wilko's Barmy armyWELSWS::CADDThe only way is up!!!Fri Feb 07 1992 19:4518
    
    
    Because he has a reputation of telling the ref and managers exactly what
    he thinks of them, (I don't think Wilko will stand for to much pf that
    though). Besides he believes that a lot of the reports about Cantona
    have been (as usual by the press) blown out of proportion.
    
    
        I will be there @ Boundary Park tomorrow watching with me old dad
    and brother who are season ticket holders at Oldham. Leeds had better
    win or i'm not buying them a pint after the game !!!!!
    
    
        0 - 2 to Leeds with Wallace and Cantona to score on his debut
    
    
      Paul
                                                           
33.408Start Counting AgainESSB::BLONGThe Scousers Trophy Cabinet is EmptyMon Feb 10 1992 12:5811
33.409Oh b*gger !BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Feb 10 1992 13:1112
    The 2nd loss of the season, but only the Arse won in the top 1/2 of the
    table - a blow, but not terminal. According to the reports Leeds didn't
    get a look in, Oldham raised their game and the result was about right.
    
    There is a 2 week gap till the next League game, away at Goodison a
    week on Sunday. There was an interesting comment from Trevor Francis in
    the paper this morning, he said the Old Trafford pitch may lose the
    championship for the Mancs - it's so poor, good football can't be
    played. The pitch has to be doused with water to keep it half-playable,
    when it's dry, it's much much worse.
    
    jb.
33.410I'm forever building sandcastles!!WELCLU::CADDI Got a T.V., You Got a T.V.Mon Feb 10 1992 15:1040
          
    
    Well we deserved the result on saturday considering the way we played.
    we have now lost 2 matches all season the SAME as MAN U .   The Leeds
    never looked likely to score, the Oldham defence were very solid. The
    midfield for Oldham ran the show feeding the L/H wing and Rick Holden
    who was jinking passed Sterland every time to rain crosses down into
    the Leeds box.
       When we did get the ball we couln't get moving due to Oldham
    Hustling for 90 mins. Our passing was poor marking was bad, but Oldham
    attacked in numbers but on this occasion Royle has seemed to plug his
    defence if there was the slightest hint of a fast Leeds break
    (unlikely!!!).
         The fist goal was well taken as the ball came of the R/H post and
    and poor marking on Henry let him in. The second was down to us again
    pushing up to look for the equaliser. A fast break down the left were
    they new they had been probing all match, produced a cross for Barlow
    to control and put past Lukic at the far post, credit to Oldham who
    outplayed us (I didn't buy my dad a pint in the end (sore loser!!!))
    
    
        Cantona came on in the second half nearly scoring with his first
    touch his next two or three touches were all back heels ??. 
     There were as many press at boundary park to see him as there were at
    Newcastle, when he came out he just went and sat on the bench no
    acknowledgement to the Leeds fans, well that's L'Enfant Terrible
      
     Sterland was subbed for Whitlow in the second half and limped off.If
    he wasn't fit because of his ankle what was Wilko doing picking him to
    pin dowm a winger with pace like Holden???
    
    
      Everton next away live on the box, due to no game next week because
    Villa are in the F.A. cup.  Man U miss a game as well i think as they
    are due to play West Ham. I'd rather be missing home games than away.
    
    
    Paul.. 
      
       
33.411WELSWS::CADDThe only way is up!!!Mon Feb 10 1992 22:2416
    
    
    
       We now have a game for this saturday, it's against IFK Gothenburg
    the Swedish champions 3.00 o'clock K.O.  The present IFK side contains
    7 players from the Swedish national side.
    
        Batts and Dorigo have been selected for the friendly against France
    next week as has Cantona. I shall be there at that one.
    
         McAllister and Strachan have also been selected to play for
    Scotland in the game against Northern Ireland next week.
    
    
    Paul...
    
33.412Calling anybody in Galway who would like to see Leeds on Thursday?XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverTue Feb 11 1992 12:5310
33.413leedsYUPPY::HOGANThe 91/92 Champions, Don't doubt it!Tue Feb 11 1992 13:0714
        It is good to see six internationals in the Leeds squad, could
    have been seven if Lukic had been given the nod over third place
    cotton. As for Saturdays result I can only hope that thats the worst 
    performance of the season submitted by a lathergic Leeds. Looking at
    the individual performances I would have to be critical of Big Mel
    for not plugging the defence, something he has been guilty of more than
    once this season, now I know the responce willcome charging in that he
    is a player who is capable of winning a game for Leeds, so perhaps he
    should be pushed further upfield to a more threatening position.
    Cantona will gel with the forward line in the near future and I see
    him leading a good front line as does Chapman so a needed victory over
    Everton in two weeks please!
    
    Question- how are the reserves and the Central league team doing?
33.414Friendly.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Feb 11 1992 15:5215
33.415Bond/Friendlies/Och aye the noo JimmyBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Feb 14 1992 15:1613
33.416Oh Bondage up yours!ARRODS::OHAGANBm o t o r h e a dFri Feb 14 1992 16:034
    Arsenal Bond, Hammers Bond, and now this? I daresay the Newcastle
    version will be called the "(St) James Bond?"
    
    Barry Bond
33.417Match report form Shelbourne V Leeds 13/2/92XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Feb 14 1992 17:2355
Leeds were well worth their victory against Shelbourne last night at a cold Tolka
park. There was really only one team in the game and it wasn't Shels! Leeds
possessed much more power, fitness, and finesse on a night which made football 
fairly hard to play because the underground conditions were fairly slippy.

Leeds lined out with a near full strength team 

                              Lukic

            Newsome    Fairclough    Whyte    Dorigo

            Strachan    Batty    McAllister    Speed

                        Cantona    Wallace.

Leeds were never really pushed although it took two goals in the mid part of the 
second half to finally decide the issue. The lads started out brightly with two
goals disallowed within the first twenty minutes. The second by Cantona was ruled
very dubiously off-side. Strachan was tackled awkwardly in the opening stages of 
the game and consequently kept on the peripheral of the game for the rest of the
match. Shels best chances of the game came from a back pass that went 
slightly astray and a good cross that wasn't met by an oncoming forward in time.

The second half started out with a lot of end to end stuff without any real 
penetration. Then, Cantona brought a good save from Byrne Shels keeper but the
follow up should have been put away. Soon afterwards Cantona again shuddered
the post with a piledriver that the keeper hardly saw. We didn't have to wait 
much longer for the goals. 

Number one came from a Strachan corner on the right crossed in, headed on by 
Whyte and it was eventually put away from about 3-5 yards by Fairclough. The 
second goal came soon afterwards ( 6 mins ) with Strachan feeding Speed who put  
a daisy cutter into the left hand corner from about 15 yards. 2-0 and the game 
had ebbed away from Shels. Even with 15 minutes to go, half the crowd started 
to leave. Very disconcerting to the real supporter. Funnily enough Leeds had 
made no substitutions until then so it seemed that they were taking this game 
seriously, to give Cantona a good work out. After the 2 goals Leed made three 
substitutions bringing on Kelly and Curtis, two Irish lads to satisfy the home 
crowd.

I wasn't particularly impressed with Cantona. He was full of the nice touches BUT
seems to be sharp in front of the goal, once he gets his range and shooting boots 
properly fitted. Batty should have been booked as he committed a series of niggly 
fouls/tackles, the usual Batty stuff. Otherwise it was very hard to gauge the 
team performance from a game such as this.

Shels have a well appointed ground which was 90% full last night i.e 9-11 K,
Mostly sitting. Unfortunately, there was no programme provided for the night that
was in it. I hope Shels win the league as they seem to have a well run setup with
a good pitch to play football on. Leeds fans can't seem to get enough of the Lads
as this was their fifth trip since they gained promotion from the second division 
two years ago. Long may it continue and hopefully I will have seen the League 
Champions ( 91-92 ) in action last night.

                              James.
33.418newsome?KERNEL::HAWLEYICareful with that axe, EugeneFri Feb 14 1992 18:325
    James,
    is Newsome a new face?
    cant remember seeing him before?
    Ian.
    
33.419ksaxowqkd-`230dwsULYSSE::CHAMPOLLIONFri Feb 14 1992 21:034
33.420Drawing crowds?TRUCKS::SANTSat Feb 15 1992 13:526
    
    	What with? A new set of crayons? 8-)
    
    	Leeds have been getting good crowds at Elland Road all season.

    	Andy.
33.421McCalisterREPAIR::JAMANITue Feb 18 1992 13:169
33.422XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverTue Feb 18 1992 17:2115
33.423Reports, please!!GOTA1::APPELQVISTYour man on the Northern frontFri Feb 21 1992 13:317
33.424Goths and ToffeeBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Feb 21 1992 13:4021
    Leeds 0 Gothenburg 1
    
    Gothenburg took the lead after 5 minutes, whwn a quick break found
    Leeds asleep. There were about 8,000 fans there, there wasn't much
    atmosphere, and it was a friendly. Leeds looked good at times, Cantona
    hit a post and had one effort well saves by the Gothenburg goalie. The
    Swedes looked good, and would have given Leeds a hard time if the game
    had had any meaning other than a practice match for both teams.
     The last 20 minutes were a little dull, no team wanting to tire
    themselves out or risk injuries.
    
    League action resumes on Sunday, Leeds are away at Everton, it's live
    on ITV. Sterland has shaken off a thigh injury, Speed should be fit
    after a knock received in Ireland but Hodge is out with a recurrence of
    a calf strain. The line up on Sunday should be Lukic, Sterland, Dorigo,
    Whyte, Fairclough, Batty, McAllister, Strachan, Speed, Wallace, Cantona
    and the subs will be choose any 2 from 5, ie Shutt and Whitlow. I
    expect Leeds to carry on with their League TV form, ie win. The others
    in the title race can draw or lose.
    
    jb.
33.425When the cat's away - b*gger all happens !BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Feb 21 1992 13:426
    re 89.40 ...
    
    This topic has been quiet because I've been out of t'office drumming up
    punters for our desktop offerings in Warrington and Edinburgh.
    
    jb.
33.426Quiet here ?XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Feb 21 1992 14:458
Re: -1

Well at least this topic is quiet because nothing is happening not like some 
other topics where there is a lot of activity i.e 1 liners but with little 
content. When we have something to say we say it and don't waste bandwidth 
having a full blown conversation over the network ;-)

                               James.
33.427A point gained ?BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Feb 24 1992 13:3211
    Everton 1 Leeds 1
    
    Not a great match, Leeds played well enough to get a point and nothing
    else. The Mancs are 3 ahead, possibly (but hopefully not) 6 ahead on
    Wed. The chases either drew or lost, only Wednesday winning, so it's
    Leeds or the Mancs for the title, if it isn't one of those 2, the
    eventual title winners will win the title because Leeds or Man U threw
    it away. Luton on Sat, Chapman could well be back.
    
    jb (off to Jockland again in 10 mins ...)
    
33.428Injuries!!!REPAIR::JAMANITue Feb 25 1992 12:5213
    
    
    Read on Ceefax that Rod Wallace was going to see a Specialist about his
    leg injury.  Didn't say what exactly was wrong or how long he would be
    out.  Anyone have more details?
    
    Steve Hodges Calf injury is persisting.  He will miss the next few
    games and should go in for an operation in the Summer.
    
    Lets hope that the injury list does not increase!!
    
    
    S
33.429Get the slide rule and calculator out.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Feb 27 1992 17:0232
    Wallace should play on Saturday, Chapman is doubtful, but could play vs
    Villa. Hodge will have an op at the end of the season, he is also
    doubtful for Saturday.
    
    The bond scheme is to go ahead, the Leeds board are expecting 8,000
    fans to sign up.
    
    Last night's result went OK, it could have been better ! The Mancs face
    a tough away game at Coventry on Sat, a draw would be fine, we play
    Luton on Saturday and Villa on Tuesday, both at Elland Rd, hopefully 6
    points - we need them ! That might put us top by 1 point if the Mancs
    don't win vs Coventry.
    
    Games left are :-
    
    Home				Away
    
    Luton				Spurs
    Villa				QPR
    Wimbledon				Arsenal
    West Ham				Man City
    Chelsea				Liverpool
    Coventry				Sheffield Utd
    Norwich
    
    7h 6a, a little better than the Mancs run in I think.
    
    Home matches must be won, and away matches must consist of at least
    draws with a few wins ! Not easy, but the Mancs don't have it easy
    either, it will be close.
    
    jb.
33.430Agana hits the north!!WELCLU::CADDI Got a T.V., You Got a T.V.Thu Feb 27 1992 23:4019
    
    
      We have taken Tony Agana on a loan swap with Notts County. We have
    given them John Mclelland (i think).  don't know many details or the
    loan period.  
         Prehaps you could shed some light on the deal Jon???
    
      Seems a good move to me to go in for a another striker. Everyone was
    saying that at the BEGINNING of the season we needed strikers and Wilko
    waits till now  !!!  
    
      Luton on saturday, should be tree points in the bag.  Man U got
    another get out of jail free card last night scoring ~2mins from time,
    we are still in touch but it's gonna be close!!!!
    
    
    
    
       Paul...
33.431Wilko strikes !BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Feb 28 1992 13:4523
    Wilko strikes again ! Big John McClelland and Tony Agana have swopped
    clubs for a 1 month period, Agana has been admired by Wilko for some
    time, McClelland will hold the County defence together and maybe keep
    them up. Williams is to stay with County for a further month - could
    Big John and Williams be part of a player exchange deal for Agana ?
    Radio Leeds siad Agana could play on Saturday, Chapman has said he is
    willing to play, and there is also Cantona - Leeds now have a striker
    glut to keep them on track for the championship.
    
    Chris Kamara returns to Elland Road tomorrow, he was a popular player,
    always gave 100% effort, he'll get a good reception but will finish up
    on the losing side.
    
    Hodge is going to have an operation on his troublesome calf, Leeds
    don't seem to have got much out of him this season. Tomorrow's team is
    unclear, but I'll guess :-
    
    Lukic, Sterland, Dorigo, Whyte, Fairclough, Strachan, Batty,
    McAllister, Speed, Wallace, (Cantona, Chapman, Agana), Subs Whitlow and
    one of CC&A or Shutt. All will be revealed on Radio Leeds about 2.30
    whilst I'm on my way from the Adelphi to Elland Rd.
    
    jb.
33.432Hatters do MANCS a favour.WELCLU::BWALKERCome on you Hatters.Fri Feb 28 1992 16:1716
    Re 430.
    
    Caddy,
        
    "Luton on saturday should be three points in the bag."
    
    Don't be so confident my boy. I reckon the law of averages means the
    Town are going to win away whether they play well or not. It could be
    Saturday.
    
    I'm confident of at LEAST a point. Remember you scrapped home last
    year.
    
    Regards,
    
    Barry. 
33.433Oooh aaah Cantona Eric Cantona .....BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Mar 02 1992 17:1722
    Leeds 2 Luton 0
    
    In the first 15 minutes, Luton were there for the taking, but Leeds
    weren't firing on all cylingers. Dorigo went off injured after 25
    minutes, and Spped had to go to left back to cover - so Leeds lost
    their midfield bite a little. Eric Cantona came on, and he is already a
    favourite with the Elland Road fans. Leeds struggled in the first half,
    but Luton didn't offer too many heart failure moments ...
    
    In the 2nd half, Leeds played poorly to begin with, and Luton had a few
    shots, they should have done better. In a 5 minute purple patch on the
    hour, Cantona missed an open goal, as did Strachan and Chapman.
    McAllister went through, was brought down by Sutton, the ref played a
    good adventage and Eric the Gaul got his first goal for Leeds. Leeds
    then fell asleep again, and 1 goal wasn't going to be enough. Chapman
    magde it 2-0 with the goal of the day.
    
    The Mancs drew, we can go 7 points clear by next Wed ....
    
    Luton weren't that bad, Kamara got a good reception.
    
    jb.
33.434I was cussing my player ref, honest ...BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Mar 02 1992 18:1013
    Wilko is down the smoke today, appearing before an FA Disciplinary
    commitee for alleged comments made to the linesman after Watson cheated
    during Wednesday's hammering in January. Tony Dorigo was apparently the
    target of his criticism, he's injured and can't travel to London and
    therefore can't act as witness. 
    
    Dorigo looks dodgy for tomorrow, Whitlow could deputise. Hopefully,
    another 3 points in the bag before the next 2 away games in London, at
    Spurs and QPR respectively. Now wouldn't 9 points out of these 2 games
    look nice ....
    
    jb.
    
33.435FUTURS::DAGLESSMon Mar 02 1992 18:405
.434>    Spurs and QPR respectively. Now wouldn't 9 points out of these 2 games
.434>    look nice ....
    
	Not even Leeds can manage that!
33.436Wanna bet !!!EICMFG::HOWEAlice in ordnungMon Mar 02 1992 18:491
    
33.437errm ...BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Mar 02 1992 18:595
    re .434 :-
    
    Sorry folks, I was using Oracle Benchmark Logic ;-)
    
    jb.
33.438What didido?ULYSSE::CHAMPOLLIONMon Mar 02 1992 21:244
33.439From where I was....LEMAN::BURKHALTERTue Mar 03 1992 10:297
    He headed the ball on into the area from about 10 meters outside in
    what looked like a typical 50-50 challenge for the ball that he won,
    looks like a very useful buy for Leeds.
    
    Next time watch the TF1 football highlights on Sunday evening JF :-)
    
    -Dom
33.440Tout a fait, Thierry ...ANNECY::ROWLAND_Aa slip of the tongueTue Mar 03 1992 12:221
    
33.441Villa next in the firing line.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Mar 03 1992 13:4920
    Dorigo is struggling to be fit for tonight, Speed may take the left
    back spot again, leaving Cantona and Chapman together up front, with
    Whitlow and Agana on the bench (or Whitlow to start with Cantona and
    Agana on the bench). Whatever happens, the speedy Villa wingers will
    need to be stopped, just like they were at Villa Park, whwn Leeds won
    4-1. Leeds aren't playing as well as then , but I expect a victory
    tonight, they can't go on playing as poorly as they have been for most
    of 1992. Spurs on Saturday, they will get mauled at Feyenoord, they
    might get a draw, but several players will have bits missing, and they
    will be tired - and then they have Leeds, could be another 3 points.
    QPR is the following Wednesday, QPR did the double over us last season,
    so that has got to be avenged - Strachan also got sent off, the first
    time in his career, that might be a draw, but a win would be better,
    putting the pressure on the Mancs.
    
    Wilko's FA disciplinary hearing has been postponed till 16 March,
    Dorigo wasn't able to attend as Wilko's witness. Gary Newbond the ITV
    Match presenter is also to give evidence for Wilko.
    
    jb.
33.442What odds on neither United's winning the league?XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverTue Mar 03 1992 16:5013
I don't particularly like the idea that if Leeds were to get 9 points from the 
next three games that the league is destined for Leeds, as we will then be 7 pts 
ahead with 3 more games played. Has anybody bothered to see our schedule after 
those three games. Man city, Arsenal and Liverpool all away in five games after
that. 

This league will go down to the final few if not the last game of the season. It
may be too much for some ;-). It does seem that the League is between the two
United's as the rest are too far behind. Come to think of it what are the odds
of neither of the united's winning the league, may be worth a flutter as a loony 
bet!

                             James.
33.443MACNAS::MHASSETTTue Mar 03 1992 18:529
    
    	I reckon that Leeds will either be 1 point ahead or behind the
    Mancs as I think they will drop 6 to 8 points in their next 3 games.
    
    
    
    yours in hope !
    
    	Hass. 
33.444Bond Bug available in orange!!!WELSWS::CADDThe only way is up!!!Tue Mar 03 1992 19:0826
    
    
    jb 
       Did my ears decieve me on saturday or did i hear a slight sound of
    dissent amongst the Leeds fans as Leslie Silver was handing out the
    first 10 bonds to united supporters !!!
    
       I do notice that if you pay for your bond over a 12 month instalment
    period then a lot of the benefits are not given until the bond is paid
    in full. E.G. no #100 discount until 93/94 if you pay by instalments.
      I believe it to be  a good scheme but wonder how many hidden clauses
    may affect the punter in the long run. The sentence :-
     
    "Season Ticket prices fixed at prices set for the 1992/93 season
    adjusted for no more than increases allowing for inflation,any changes
    in taxation or levies imposed by the football authorities."
    
    I notice they put football authorities as they don't actually know WHO
    will be running football next season ...
    
      anyone like to comment on the above ???
    
    
    Paul....
    
    
33.445Bond bugs ?BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Mar 03 1992 21:1414
33.4460-0SIOG::N_DONNELLYWed Mar 04 1992 02:2714
    Final score
    
    Leeds 0-0 Villa    (Strachan missed a second-half penalty)
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    ps. you lot are doing you damnest to blow it
33.447No BottleESSB::BLONGThe Scousers Trophy Cabinet is EmptyWed Mar 04 1992 14:414
33.448Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaantona!ULYSSE::CHAMPOLLIONWed Mar 04 1992 19:489
33.449YUPPY::PANESa leper can't change his spotsWed Mar 04 1992 21:3617
33.450Down to 9 men.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Mar 05 1992 13:3213
    Leeds 0 Villa 0
    
    Frantic, Strachan misses a penalty, Leeds down to 9 men due to
    Fairclough and Sterland colliding, Fairclough is replaced by
    McClelland, both Fairclough and Sterland spent the night in hospital,
    they are both doubtful for Saturday. Talking of Saturday, Dorigo,
    Wallace and maybe the Sterland and Fairclough are out, McClelland has
    gone to Notts County on loan - we're looking a bit frail at the back...
    
    We need to win the next 2 games, against the Totters and QPR - both
    away.
    
    jb.
33.451Wembley 1990 Who Won The CupESSB::BLONGThe Scousers Trophy Cabinet is EmptyThu Mar 05 1992 14:2211
33.452It were t'piemenBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Mar 05 1992 15:115
    re -1
    
    If I remember rightly it was Wigan (as per usual :-( )
    
    jb.
33.453Loans / InjuriesBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Mar 06 1992 13:1324
    There have been some loan players in lately :-
    
    Cantona from Nimes
    Agana from Notts Co
    
    And some out :-
    
    McClelland to Notts Co
    Mervyn Day to Luton
    Bobby Davison to Sheff Utd
    
    On the injury front, Sterland and Fairclough are fit to play against
    the Totters, Dorigo is out, and Wallace is a doubt, he has a recurrence
    of the shin injury that sidelined him in the earlier part of the
    season. 3 points is needed from tomorrows game, to put some pressure on
    the Mancs.
    
    The title race now looks to be between Leeds and the Mancs, Man City
    and Sheff Wed are too inconsistent, Liverpool have blown it. It will go
    to the last game of the season, I hope the TV companies don't mess
    about with the schedules and Leeds kick off at the same time as the
    Mancs, Leeds are at home vs Norwich, the Mancs play ????
    
    jb.
33.454LeeKERNEL::HAWLEYIIan Hawley, South UK VMS supportFri Mar 06 1992 13:2812
    > The title race now looks to be between Leeds and the Mancs,
    > Man City and Sheff Wed are too inconsistent,
    
    if you lot werent so inconsistent, youd have an almost unassailable
    lead, as it is, it looks as if YOUVE blown it.
    i hope you havent.
    how is Lee Chapman since his return?
    i saw the goal......
    
    Ian.
    
    
33.455It's all overESSB::BLONGThe Scousers Trophy Cabinet is EmptyFri Mar 06 1992 14:149
33.456Who will score first??FUTURS::FLETCHERFri Mar 06 1992 14:457
    The way the UTD's are playing at the moment another 10 or 11 0-0 draws
    should secure you a memorable championship.
    
    All Leeds and Man U supporters should be thankfull that the rest of the
    first division doesnt seem interested in winning the championship ;-)
    
    Nigel
33.457Injuries Improve / HTFCBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Mar 06 1992 17:4814
    Wallace and Whitlow are added to the fit pool of players, so it's only
    Dorigo that is ruled out tomorrow. The forward line will consist of any
    x from the following, Wallace, Chapman, Agana, Cantona and Shutt.
    
    3 points tomorrow (please !)
    
    Something else, nothing to do with Leeds United, but of possible
    interest to O'Noters is that Huddersfield Town have sacked their
    manager, Eoin Hand, who used to be the Irish Manager if I remember
    correctly. Huddersfield have slumped since the New Year, and are in
    danger of slipping out of the promotion frame in Div 3.
    
    jb.
    
33.458Who'd be a manager?GALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Fri Mar 06 1992 18:4519
    
    I know this is the wrong topic but re -1, I'm amazed.  Eoin Hand was
    linked with the Sunderland job a few weeks ago.  He seemed to be having
    a great season and I thought the board would stick by him depite a poor
    run.  Is there something else to the story or is it just poor results?
    
    His first job was at Limerick where he won the league and cup in 3
    seasons and we qualified for Europe every season under him.  He missed
    World Cup qualification on goal difference in 1982 but it was all odwn
    hill from there.  He left Limerick under a cloud (sadly most of our
    managers do :-().  Humiliation piled upon humiliation in the next 3
    years as Ireland manager and he finally lost his job after a mauling by
    Denmark at Lansdowne.  Enter Jack Charlton...
    
    He has been in the Huddersfield job for quite a few years without ever
    achieving much.  They looked good this season but faltered.  I hope he
    bounces back.
    
    Gary.
33.459Spurs beaten at home (as usual)BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Mar 09 1992 13:1524
    Spurs 1 Leeds 3
    
    Another 90 minute performance, but not one of the best according to
    Wilko. Wallace put Leeds 1 up on about the 1/2 hour, and Spurs had some
    good chances. Lineker went off injured after 15 minutes, and Stewart
    was giving the Leeds defence a lot of work to do. Spurs equalised 3
    mins after  the break, and Leeds were on the ropes a little. Sterland
    was replaced by Newsome, who scored 3 mins later, this lifted Leeds.
    Whitlow was then replaced by Eric the Gaul, who almost immediately sent
    an excellent through ball to McAllister who made it 3-1, and Spurs were
    out of it. Leeds' 2 goals came in a 5 minute spell, they can destroy
    any team when they play like that.
    
    QPR on Wed night, they thrashed Man City 4-0 on Sat, we owe them one
    for the double they did last season, Strachan also got sent off, the
    first time in his career.
    
    Leeds are now 2 points clear of the Mancs, but they do have 2 games in
    hand. If Wed's result goes to plan (a win) then it will be 5 points
    clear. The Mancs have to travel to Bramall Lane on Sat, Leeds have the
    Wombles at Elland Rd. Wouldn't it be nice to be 8 points clear by
    Saturday night ?
    
    jb.
33.460Will Dorigo Be Back??REPAIR::JAMANITue Mar 10 1992 13:584
    
    Does any one know if Dorigo will be back for tomorrow's game?
    
    S
33.461That was *yesterday*...TRUCKS::SANTTue Mar 10 1992 15:283
    
    	Word is he is injured and so will not play. But you never know...
    
33.462No Dorigo.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Mar 10 1992 17:577
    Dorigo has a knee ligament injury, and will not play vs QPR. Sterland
    and Whitlow have both got over leg and groin injuries, so the team that
    started vs Spurs will start vs QPR, Cantona and Newsome are expected to
    be subs. A win is needed (obvious statement).
    
    jb.
    
33.463Fancy booking holiday this time of year.WELCLU::BWALKERCome on you Hatters.Tue Mar 10 1992 23:288
    RE 60.
    
    Does anyone know if Dorigo will be back for tomorrows game."
    
    
    Where's he gone then. On holiday.
    
    Barry.
33.464Acid testXSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverWed Mar 11 1992 20:5115
Really important game at Q.P.R tonight. A win would be a great boast to the team
and would really engender in them the possibility that they can win the 
championship. Earlier on in the season I mentioned that Leeds have very defined
bogey teams for and against, Q.P.R was one of ours against from last year. They 
doubled over us. We lost 2-0 late last season playing some good footie and 
Strachan I remember getting sent off for arguing with the Ref over a seemingly 
good goal being disallowed when we were 1-0 down. 

Anything less than a win will leave MUFC with THREE games in hand and us being
only a handful of points up. Not even MUFC could fail to overcome that meagre 
gap.

Leeds, Leeds, Leeds.

                            James 
33.465Cantona walks on acid!!!WELSWS::CADDThe only way is up!!!Wed Mar 11 1992 21:4011
    
     Sterland isn't playing tonight Newsome is starting in his first full 
    league debut. Cantona will be on the bench again.
     
       Hodge returned to Elland road at the beginning of the week after 
    an operation.
    
       We owe QPR for the 2-0 win against us last season.
      Strachan got sent of at that game , I'm off to the game now as it's
    only a few miles from the Welwyn office, i will try and get a match
    report in for tomorrow!!!!!!
33.466Games report for our external reporter Tim Kennedy, With permission!XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverWed Mar 11 1992 22:45107
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Tottenham 1      Leeds 3
(Allen)          (Wallace,  Newsome,  McAllister)

Leeds played crap on Saturday overall but of course winning 
is the main thing.  We could have lost by the same margin but 
for the magic of John Lukic.  It was hugely enjoyable 
though,  especially so in view of how worried everyone
was at several moments when it looked as if we were giving
victory to the home side.

They began briskly and took the game to the home side 
with Tottenham reasonably menacing on the break.
There were flashes of the sort of class that Leeds have
displayed on their better days this season towards the 
middle of the second half when they began to control the
midfield and string together passes across the field but
the overall impression was bad.

Wallace scored the first having been given the ball by Batty
via Spurs' Sedgeley,  though based on his performance up 
to that point I was expecting him to hit the hoardings.

Strachan was very good and a joy to watch.  He went close
to scoring at least once and was instrumental in our surviving 
the equaliser (by Allen which came in the first couple of 
minutes of the second half) steadying the lads' nerves 
with the example of his own determination.

Batty was his usual dependable self and also went close
in the second half.  On one occasion he made a great move
down the left but there was no-one available to set up,  and 
it seemed he would have done better to have a go himself.  He 
stoutly won the ball many times when it encroached our box and 
did the right thing,  whacking it right back out again.
Chapman was having an off day, he seemed unable to get himself 
in shooting positions and even lofted a Chapman-size cross to 
the diminutive Wallace at one point,  who watched it fly way over 
his head.

We missed Dorigo a lot,  the left side was lacking its usual 
attack although Whitlow did ok on the whole.

Durie broke through at one point and was one-on-one with
Johnny Lukic but fluffed his chance.  I wasn't worried by him
though.  Stewart created a lot of trouble for Leeds.

The Leeds crowd provided some of the best entertainment,
with most of the singing directed at the current favourite
Eric Cantona.  "Ooh-ah Can-to-na",  "Er-i-ic" and the 
tune to La Marseillaise were just some of the new chants.  
The Tottenham were sedate to say the least.  They appeared
to be so quiet I felt like going over to poke them with a
stick to see if they were alive.

Eric was on the touchline warming up at various points
during the first and second halves and waved at us to huge
cheers,  encouraging the chanting presumably to get the
boss to put him on.  He came on after we had gone 2-1
up in the 70th or so minute and things went blurry.  
The tall young defender Jon Newsome scored from a corner
after just coming on as substitute for Whitlow,  his first
goal for Leeds since joining from Sheffield Wednesday reserves
in the summer.  

When the third goal went in pandemonium broke loose in the
Leeds end and we danced around much to the consternation 
of the plod who gathered behind the goal. I'll miss the
terraces when they go.  It just won't be the same.  McAllister
was the scorer,  and the creator was the man of the day if not
of the match,  M. Cantona (lets be fair,  he was only playing
about 20 minutes.  The away end at White Hart Lane became the 
Parc Des Princes for several minutes.

Walsh was a continual source of problems as he made 
frequent incursions into the Leeds half.  Allen was good
also,  as was Howells.  Spurs should consider themselves 
hard done by really,  although it felt really good to beat them.

Wednesday is more of a concern to me (i.e. the day,  not
Sheffield 6-1 Wednesday,  they're crap) because we face QPR
an extremely good side who are anxious to avoid the
relegation zone.  They beat Man City 4-0 on Saturday so
the players must be at their best to get the vital 3
points to keep us in touch with the title chase.  Man
U have not played a league game for over a week now and
we need to consolidate a bigger lead than two points.

			Tim
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33.467RIGHTO::HAIGHHe's gone to early!Thu Mar 12 1992 12:0311
    >only a few miles from the Welwyn office, i will try and get a match
    >report in for tomorrow!!!!!!
    
    
    	I wonder if you'll still try! ;-)
    
    
    	QPR 4 Leeds 1.
    
    
    	QPR have now scored 4 against, United, City and Leeds!
33.468Definition of total despair :-(XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverThu Mar 12 1992 12:5214
Despair vb. 

1. (intr.; often foll. by of) to lose or give up hope: I despair of 
(*Leeds*)/his coming. 

2. (tr.) Obsolete. to give up hope of; lose hope in. ~n. 

3. total loss of hope. 

4. A person of thing that causes hopelessness or for which there is no hope: 
(*I despair of Leeds even winnig the league*).

             
                         James.
33.469ooops.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Mar 12 1992 14:5811
    QPR 4 Leeds 1
    
    Leeds went 1-0 up after 10 minutes, and had more chances. QPR got one
    back, after a poor corner clearance - Leeds let them back into the
    game, and threw it away in the 2nd half. Looks like they were well and
    truly beaten, it's the largest no of gols they have let in this season.
    I hope they do better on Saturday. At least they are still top, but the
    Mancs have 3 games in hand, and Liverpool are closing - 12 points
    behind with 2 games in hand.
    
    jb.
33.470Queens Park Routers!!!!WELSWS::CADDThe only way is up!!!Thu Mar 12 1992 18:3638
    
    
    Well what can you say, we had all the chances to go 2 or 3 up in the
    first half but failed to finish. QPR scoed just after Wallace had gone
    off after a clash of heads with Peacock. From there QPR didn't really
    look back, Les Ferdinand had the pace of an out of sorts defence all
    night (Witlow clutching  at his groin from start of game to finish).  
    If he was't fit what was he doing on the pitch against strikers with
    pace like Sinton and Ferdinand. 
    
         Good ball in from the right on 10 mins from Newsome saw Speed jump
    well and head down to bottom left corner of Stejskal's goal.
       Could have had another from McAllisters free kick from just outside
    the 18 yrd box which Steyskal got down really well for.
    
        We were well in to the match up until the 2 goal spree by QPR, the
    first put in from an impossible angle on the right.
       Strachan was constantly coaching Newsome to get back into position
    and i think the lack of our usual defenders lost us the game.
    
      All credit to QPR who kep the ball on the ground and did a lot of
    running off the ball from midfield through the middle. We lost control
    of the midfield with Wilkins spreading the ball all over the place,out
    to the wingers and through the middle. The Whyte incident shouldn't
    have occured, there was no way Huggy was going to get to the ball so why
    put the tackle in.( Will we call back McClelland form Notts county to
    fill in?).
       The Next visitors to QPR are the Mancs late in March, I'd like to
    see how they get on against them the way QPR are playing at the moment.
    
        Wimbledon on saturday and we need to put this defeat and the 
    psychological difference behind us with man u having three games in
    hand. We are still top and thats what counts. Man U are not infallable
    and can drop points as well!!!!!
    
    
    Cheers Paul......
         
33.472Is this a typo or what ?BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Mar 12 1992 19:239
                     <<< Note 33.471 by NSDC::SIMPSON >>>


As Untied have to go to Loftus Road, let's call it 2 games in hand - OK?!
    .....
    
    Yes, we all know thet they will fall apart later on ;-)
    
    jb.
33.474A few more go.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Mar 13 1992 13:3014
33.475FORTY2::ROBERTSONMy Sorrows, they learned to swimFri Mar 13 1992 14:316
re -.1
>>	and Leeds have got someone from Leicester on a months load
>>    (name forgotten).


Ally Maughlin - a 31 year old Midfielder
33.476No full backs !BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Mar 13 1992 17:3010
    Ally Mauchlin looks set to make his Leeds debut tomorrow vs the
    Wombles, Sterland has had a reoccurence of his leg injury, and Mauchlin
    will take preference over Newsome, whose inexperience showed a little
    on Wednesday. Wallace looks set to return, Dorogo is still unfit. Whyte
    will miss the games at the Arse and West Ham at Elland Road. Let's hope
    Wilko can get McClelland back soon !
    
    I hope the Blades do us a favour tomorrow.
    
    jb.
33.477Will be fit in JuneULYSSE::CHAMPOLLIONFri Mar 13 1992 19:333
33.478Ou est Eric - Eric Cantona ...BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Mar 13 1992 19:367
    M.Cantona will be on the bench to start off with. He is popular with
    the Leeds fans, and he is starting to make an impact. Leeds are not
    playing too well at the moment, hopefully this will change tomorrow. It
    remains to be seen whwther he will stay on with Leedsa, I think / hope
    he will, he is a useful man to have in the squad.
    
    jb.
33.479come on leedsaKERNEL::HAWLEYIIan Hawley, South UK VMS supportFri Mar 13 1992 19:386
    
    jb,
    good luck to Leeds tomorrow.
    if Man Utd go to the top with 3 games in hand, it could all be over.
    Ian.
    
33.480we're all going to HampdenKURMA::CPATRICKDoes the name Quazimodo ring a bellFri Mar 13 1992 19:5212
    re.474.
    
    JB
      In reply to your comment about the Scotish league being equivalant
    to the bottom of the 1st/top 2nd division,I beleive that
    Celtic,Rangers,Hearts and Aberdeen would all be able to hold there
    own against most of the English 1st division clubs,as did Celtic
    against the great (and I use the word great loosly) Leeds team of the
    70's.
    
    
    SQF Jambo
33.481Scots fitbaBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Mar 13 1992 21:127
    re -1
    
    I used the term 'overall' deliberatley, the Scots League does have a
    handful of teams that would push Leeds, Man U, Liverpool, The Arse, but
    there are a lot of others that wouldn't.
    
    jb.
33.482top again!!MACNAS::MHASSETTSat Mar 14 1992 16:332
    Mancs to regain top spot on goal difference as I predict that Leeds
    will only draw 0-0 and the Mancs to win 2-0!!!
33.483Re:: -.1 back in your box please.XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverSat Mar 14 1992 21:3211
Leeds     5-1     Wimbledon

Chapman 3         who cares
Wallace
Cantona

Keeping the pressure on just about. MUFC were might lucky against a poor Sheff 
Utd team. Keep on winning. We are still on top and at least Europe here we 
come.

                                  James.
33.484Leeds - Villa from Mark Smith. Bit late but needed permission.XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverSat Mar 14 1992 21:35102
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Subject: Leeds match report
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Leeds  0 Aston Villa 0

att: 29,000 ish

	Leeds missed their chance to regain the lead of the first division
last night but played better, in my opinion, than they had for quite a while.
	There is wierd, nervousness around Elland road, just as I understand 
as at Old Trafford. Although the crowd were really getting behind the team
for the majority of match ( one of the noisest games in recent times - but night
games always help the atmosphere ) there were a few periods when only the villa
fans could be heard singing ( a bloody monotonous one too ) as everyone else
was just too nervous and aprehensive to shout. These periods soon dissolved 
however and the climax to the game was helped by magnificant backing by the fans
	Some may think all this talk about crowd support at Old Trafford and at
Elland Road are irrelevant. Wilikinson obviously does not as in his talks to the crowd before each home match he has regularly pleaded for the fans to get
 behind the team whether playing Luton or Man. Utd. I believe the first team to
get rid of its nervousness, and this will be helped by the fans getting behind
the team always ( even if they are nervous !) will win the Championship and 
probably run away with it. 

	Anyway, on with the match report:-

	The game started frantically as always with the only real chance
coming from a Stachen free kick from 30 yrds which brought a good save from
the recalled Spink. Then, `unlucky Leeds' had another bad piece of luck which
was reminiscent of those which plagued them during the Glory years. Mel Sterland
and Chris Fairclough clashed heads and Sterland was left on the floor. He was 
taken off the pitch for stitches, Wilko as the game was only 5 mins old 
decided not to bring on a sub and switched Whitlow to right back and
brought Speed to left back. The troubles were not over as 5 miutes later
the referee ordered Fairclough off the pitch as he was also bleeding.
So Leeds had nine men with Whitlow switching to full back and Batty filling
the right back position (!!!!).
Fairclough came back after five minutes and Sterland later after 15minutes
off the field. Leeds didn't panic whilst they were short and played sensible
possesion football. Villa didn't have a clean cut chance but quite 
understanndably neither did Leeds. So after effectively losing 15 minutes
play Leeds were temporaily back to normal.

	In the remainder of the half there were chances for both teams. Agana
should have buried a chance as should Regis at the other end. The referee made
a few ridiculous decisions including not sending off Teale. Sterland (I think)
has made a clean break and was running to the edge of the Villa box with a free
run to goal when he was brought to the ground by Teale. It was the most
obvious `professional foul' I'd seen but only resulted in a yellow card.
Dalian Atkinson was by far and away the best Villa player and hit the target
after a good run, but it was given (rightly) offside. Fairclough was still in
trouble after his clash with Sterland and had to be substituted by McLleland
(who was recalled from Notts County on loan after only a few days).

	In the second half, Leeds started to get dominance in midfield and
at some stages it looked as if Villa were playing for the draw. Villa
did have quite a few chances on the break however and Lukic made one excellent
one-on-one save from Atkinson near the end. Leeds however had long period
in and around the penalty box which resulted in about the 65th minute with
a penalty for hand ball. I was obstructed (by a big fat bloke) from a good
view so I can't comment on this descision! However this was irrelevant as
Strach took one of the worst penalties I've seen and Spink had not much more
to do than bend down and gather it. Obvious nerves.

When Cantona came on for the dissapointing Agana the reception was amazing,
(`oh-ah-Cantona' fits quite well don't you think) and his performance was
well worth the reception. The Leeds team are beginning to realise that he
is not (despite his size) a target man and that the ball should be played
to his feet. It was the first time I'd seen him live and I was very impressed.
I think he will do well (and he will try his hardest with the competition
for strikers which is present at the club at the moment).

The game ended with about 15 minutes of continuous bobardment of the Villa
goal with corner after corner and cross after cross comming for Stachen
and Sterland respectively. Cantona had some good shots on goal and had
an appeal for a penalty (which looked good) turned down. The ball was 
cleared off the line numerous times and everything seemed to happen except
the ball getting in the net.

	So it ended 0-0 and Leeds missed the chance to go top.

However I think they have another two matches before Man. Utd. play again
(Spurs, and QPR, away) and if we can lose our nerves (both supporters and
players) and get the points I'm sure Fergie will be rather more than concerned.

		Cheers, 
			Tony Dorigo.

(m.h.smith@dur.uk.ac)

P.S Just because I haven't slagged of the Mancies in this article it doesn't
mean I don't hate the Scum. ( I feel better now !!)


33.485Triple Whammy Chappy Welts WomblesBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Mar 16 1992 14:1838
    Leeds 5 Wombles 1
    
    Chapman got his 2nd hat-trick of the season against a reasonable
    Wombles side that were made to look 3rd rate by a Leeds side smarting
    after their thrashing at QPR on Wednesday. The Wombles almost took an
    earl lead with Lukic dropping a cross that moved around in the swirling
    windy conditions (there was also snow, hail, sleet, rain and bright
    sunlight to contend with, the only thing missing was fog, the thunder
    was provided by the Kop). Leeds were 2-0 up thanks to 2 Chapman goals,
    and 3 up thanks to Wallace, given a long time to control and shoot.
    Whan Chapman scored his first, the good news came from Bramall Lane
    that the Mancs were losing. Strachan didn't come out for the 2nd half,
    he was replaced by Shutt, and McAllister ran the show very well. He
    always plays well when Strachan isn't there, Rangers keep off !
    Wimbledon came back , scored, and they were making Leeds look edgy, but
    Cantona capitalised on a mistake by a Womble, and made it 4-1 -
    Pandemonium !!!!!  Radio 5 then said the Mancs had equalised. Chapman
    made it 5-1 after a good Shutt cross, anf then the Mancs go a winner,
    this took the gloss ofthe performance (especially as Schmiecal should
    have been sent off for cheating, and the Mancs got an offside goal).
    
    Whyte is out for the trip to the Arse on Sunday, the Mancs play away at
    Forest and at home to the Wombles before we play, so 2 draws (or better
    still 2 defeats) are needed. The Mancs have to play Forest 3 times in
    the next 5 weeks, they can have a win, a draw and a defeat, as long as
    the win isn't in the league !
    
    Wilko is in London today on his disrepute charge for alleged comments
    made to the ref following the diving incident at Hillsborough in
    January, Dorigo and Elton Welsby the TV man are appearing for him -
    Wilko said he was f'iing and blinding at Dorigo (as befits his normal
    behaviour).
    
    Come on Forest !
    
    Come on Wombles !
    
    jb.
33.486REPAIR::JAMANIMon Mar 16 1992 17:198
    
    
    JB
                                              
    How many goals has the Chapman/Wallace partnership scored?
    
    
    S
33.487CantonaREPAIR::JAMANIMon Mar 16 1992 17:428
    
    
    Did Cantona play as left back, on Saturday?
    
    He had the number 3 shirt on and I couldn't see whitlow's name in the
    team.
    
    S
33.488-1, -2BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Mar 16 1992 18:459
    Wallace and Chappo have scored close on 40 goals between them in all
    competitions (from memory, I don't have the exact details to hand).
    
    Cantona did play as No 3, but he wasn't left back - Speed and Newsome
    played as the full backs, Sterland, Dorigo and Whitlow are all injured.
    Dorigo should be OK for the Arse trip, Sterland and Whitlow will need
    operations at the end of the season, they will struggle by till then.
    
    jb.
33.489Wilko 'Not Guilty'BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Mar 17 1992 15:585
    Wilko had the case against him 'Not Proven' - ie he's got off the
    alleged swearing at the linesman incident. Instaead, he f's and blinds
    at his players throughout the match.
    
    jb.
33.490Chapman-Wallace = 29 goals this seasonXSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverTue Mar 17 1992 21:256
As far as my figures go the Chapman-Wallace combination have scored 29 goals in
all competitions including 23 in the league this season.

Leeds have 15 players who have scored this season already, come on Lukic!

                               James.
33.491Manc fan joins Leeds !BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Mar 19 1992 14:269
    A 15 year old named after the entire 1976 Manc squad that won the FA
    Cup that year has signed associate forms for Leeds. He and his dad are
    Manc fans, but he is pleased to be associated with Leeds, the League
    Leaders (thanks Cloughie).
    
    The Arse Sunday, not easy, at least a draw is needed, but a win would
    be sooo much better.
    
    jb.
33.492greenhoff greenhoff?KERNEL::HAWLEYIIan Hawley, South UK VMS supportThu Mar 19 1992 16:324
    
    so whats his full name then jb?
    Ian.
    
33.493Dorigo back / Mancs lose :-)BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Mar 19 1992 17:5720
    The Manc name is so long I can't remember it, I'll see if it's in the
    EP (Monday's).
    
    Dorigo should play vs the Arse, as should Sterland. Probable back 4 is
    Sterland, Fairclough, Newsome and Dorigo, midfield Strachan, Batty,
    McAllister and Speed, up front Wallace and Chapman, with Cantona and
    (possibly) Whitlow on the bench, or Wilko could go for attack. The
    Mancs losing last night :-) made the QPR debacle a little more
    bearable, the Wombles will present them with tougher opposition than
    they did last week at Elland Rd, a draw (or better still a loss) will
    put the Mancs 1 or 2 points behind, but with only 1 game in hand. A win
    at Arsenal will then put Leeds 4 or 5 points clear (cont P. 94)....
    
    We'll wait and see. Leeds only have 1 more midweek fixture, on Easter
    Tuesday vs Coventry, all other games are Saturdays, 1 a week, so there
    is time for rest and recovery between games. The Mancs can then have
    all the pressure (what happens if the Rum Cup final ends in a draw aet
    ?)
    
    jb.
33.494SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Thu Mar 19 1992 17:597
33.495ARRODS::OHAGANBMeals on Wheels of SteelThu Mar 19 1992 18:055
    Yes, 1977 was the year the Mancs done it, fluking their way past
    Liverpool at Wembley. As for the parents of this poor unfortunate
    lad, obviously a couple of basket cases. 
    
    
33.496YUPPY::MCCABEMikeFri Mar 20 1992 13:218
    >>As for the parents of this poor unfortunate lad, obviously a 
    >>couple of basket cases.
    
    Aw com'on Barry Margaret Hilda Thatcher O'Hagan aren't you being a bit
    harsh there?
    
    Mike M 
    
33.497Campaign '92ARRODS::OHAGANBMeals on Wheels of SteelFri Mar 20 1992 16:199
    Mike,
    
    Don't know where the Thatcher tag comes from but I do know that
    The Milk Snatcher stole my bottle as a kid. Some wounds never 
    heal. 
    
    barry.
    
    p.s. she was also my MP (Finchley) for a verrrry long time. 
33.498PEKING::NAGLEJFri Mar 20 1992 17:2621
    
    Can you help out this lady directly ? 
    
    JN.
    
    
    
    
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    Can anyone settle this?  Does Leeds United have a nickname - ie the same
    as Sheffield Wednesday is known as the owls?
    
    Thanks ;-)
    
    Karen
33.499Peacocks.......I'm sure.KIRKTN::JSALLYha ha ha ha got youFri Mar 20 1992 17:591
    
33.500nickersMINDER::MACDONALDIMUFC ECWC ChampionsFri Mar 20 1992 18:063
    
    
    nickname -  	The Yorky Puds
33.501no. 500 !! shock, horror...TRUCKS::SANTThis could be your lucky day...Fri Mar 20 1992 18:062
    
    	Yup. -1 has it.
33.502TRUCKS::SANTThis could be your lucky day...Fri Mar 20 1992 18:072
    
    	CRANG!!! Note collision 8-)
33.503leedsKERNEL::HAWLEYIAbandon shop,this is not a daffodilFri Mar 20 1992 18:079
    
    re. 'yorkie puds'
    
    thats not what the Barnsley fans call them.
    
    :-)
    
    Ian.
    
33.504Peacocks it is.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Mar 20 1992 18:4010
    Leeds United are the Peacocks.
    
    Barnsley are known as the Tykes, Manchester United as <censored>
    
    Manchester United could also be called the 'Sergeant Peppers' because
    this famous LP came out in the same year as they last won a League
    Title (1967, 25 (TWENTY FIVE) years ago, quite possibly before some of
    the noters in this conference were born.
    
    jb.
33.5058-)TRUCKS::SANTThis could be your lucky day...Fri Mar 20 1992 21:254
    
    	Careful, jb, we'll be mistaking you for ...shhhhh..you know who..
    
    	Andy.
33.506All square at HighburyBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Mar 23 1992 13:2822
    Arse 1 Leeds 1
    
    A dour 1st jhalf, both teams cancelling each other out - Leeds always
    seem to play teams whwn they are in form, QPr, Wombles and now the
    Arse. Chapman put Leeds up on 71, after Winterburn was out of position
    - he was complaining in a feeble manner to the ref (whingeing), Wallace
    got the ball, crossed to Chapman who made no mistake, 1-0. Cantona
    forced Seaman into making a very good save, Lukic also saved well, but
    the Arse forwards weren't too good at getting the ball near the goal.
    The Arse equaliser was a good individual goal from Merson, a draw was
    about the right result, although a win would have put more pressure on
    a visibly wobbling man U team, they only scraped a 0-0 vs the Wombles,
    who had been thrashed 5-1 at Elland Rd last Saturday.
    
    Leeds are still 2 points clear of the Mancs, but they have 2 games in
    hand, on of which must be won - the Leeds goal difference is superior
    to that of the Mancs, and Leeds don't have to play on a cabbage patch
    every alternate week. Next week sees No-hope West Ham at Elland Road (3
    points there) and the Mancs must travel to Loftus Road where they will
    be fortunate to get a point, they will probably lose.
    
    jb.
33.507The bookies seem to know ;-)XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverMon Mar 23 1992 14:4613
Odds for the league

MUFC   4/9

Leeds  7/4.

Good odds if you are a betting man with MUFC getting only 10 points in the last 
7 games.

It looks like it will be the team that will lose the championship rather than 
win it at this stage of the season.

                                 James.
33.508A very close callKERNEL::MORIARTYMon Mar 23 1992 14:594
    	Did anyone think there was a question of off-side about the Leeds
    goal??
    
    KEvin
33.509...KERNEL::HAWLEYIAbandon shop,this is not a daffodilMon Mar 23 1992 15:0112
    > Odds for the league
    
    > MUFC   4/9
    
    > Leeds  7/4.
    
    
    ill have a fiver on Luton, what odds are they?
    :-)
    
    Ian.
    
33.510PEKING::NAGLEJMon Mar 23 1992 15:077
    
    RE:- Leeds goal.
    
    Chapman was not in an offside position when the ball was played. The
    ball coming in took a deflection off an Arsenal player. 
    
    JN.
33.511Unease in the Manc Camp ?BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Mar 23 1992 15:1012
    re .508 and other Manc complainants :-
    
    The ref waved play on, Winterburn should have stuck to his task.
    Chapman was not offside when the ball was played, it also took a
    deflection off an Arse player.
    
    The Mancs were VERY fortunate last week to have been playing
    with a goalkeeper for a lot of the game.
    
    jb.
    
    
33.512Defenders should defend KERNEL::MORIARTYMon Mar 23 1992 15:1410
    	Sorry JN just to understand what you are saying...Do you mean that
    Chapman was not in an offside position because the ball came off an
    Arsenal defender Or that Chapman was simply not in an offside
    position???
    	I thought that when Wallace actually hit the cross,Chapman was
    marginally off BUT it was very very close.
    	Still,about the right result....Both teams were very ordinary with
    Leeds probably the more creative.
    	I hope Winterburn gets severely slated by GG for that incident
    before the goal.
33.513Err - whats it all mean ?BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Mar 23 1992 15:154
    4/9 and 7/4 - err, not being totally au fait with the comings and
    goings of Turf Accountancy - which is the favourite ?
    
    jb.
33.514COMICS::WATTERSONAs happy as a pig in shMon Mar 23 1992 15:248
    
    4/9 - The Mancs -  you win 4 quid for every 9 quid bet.
    
    7/4 - Leeds - you win 7 quid for every 4 quid bet.
    
    So the Mancs are still the favourites.
    
    paul
33.515PEKING::COSSEYNMon Mar 23 1992 15:255
    
    The Leeds goal should have disallowed for a deliberate drop kick
    on Winterburn from Batty.
    
             Neil. 
33.516John de WolfJGODCL::SHERLOCKWe are LeedsMon Mar 23 1992 15:357
    jb. On Dutch T.V. last night there was an interview with Feyenoord's
    defender John de Wolf, apparently Wilko who watched Spurs v Feyenoord
    was impressed with him. Rumour has it that Leeds are showing interest,
    heard anything about it ?
    
    P.S. could you let me know the remaining home fixtures...I'm planning
    a week's holiday in the near future and would like to go to a game.
33.517PEKING::NAGLEJMon Mar 23 1992 15:385
    
    You're right Neil. I think we'd all forgotten about that. Winterburn
    got up and started screaming at the ref but play continued.
    
    JN.
33.518Batty could be in trouble......FORTY2::ROBERTSONMy Sorrows, they learned to swimMon Mar 23 1992 17:3618
If what happened to Saunders v Bristol City has anything to go by, then Batty
could find himself in some trouble with the F.A. over his "challenge" yesterday.

It was a blatant attempt at getting the player, not the ball.

Not a classic match. Both sides canelled each other out well, and a draw was a
fair result. It was the first time I'd seen more than just clips of Cantona, and
he looks like he could be a great buy. He looked a little out of it at times,
but his poke in the first half was inspired, and took a great save from Seaman.

On the other side, Merson had a great game. His long range shot in the 1st was
brilliant, and unlucky not to go in, and the goal was a great piece of
individual play.

Should still be on top this time next week, hopefully by 5 points, but more
probably 4.

	Al
33.519Answers / Family Club AwardsBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Mar 23 1992 17:5825
    I haven't heard anything about De Wolf.
    
    Remaining home games :-
    
    Sat 28 Mar, West Ham 
    Sat 11 Apr, Chelsea
    Tue 21 Apr, Coventry
    Sat 2  May, Norwich
    
    Away :-
    
    Sat 4  Apr, Man City
    Sat 18 Apr, Liverpool
    Sun 26 Apr, Sheffield Utd
    
    err winning all of them will do nicely !
    
    Leeds United have been chosen as one of the 2 candidates for Div 1 in
    the Jewson/People awards - Villa are the other - these awards are to
    recognise the way in which football clubs provide for and treat their
    fans, especially families, and how much involvement they have with the
    local community. Leeds have made great strides in the past few years as
    they try to throw off the 'bad boy' image - so far it has succeeded.
    
    jb.
33.520Article in the Irish times today about Leeds.XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverMon Mar 23 1992 19:0216
33.521Leeds Fan Goes to Old TraffordESSB::BLONGThe Scousers Trophy Cabinet is EmptyMon Mar 23 1992 19:1111
33.522Good IdeaBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Mar 23 1992 19:1410
    James,
    
    The Chelsea game is on Sat 11th April !
    
    It would be nice to meet up with other noters, drop me a mail
    (bahtat::blythe, jon blythe @lzo, or my DTN is 7845-2290). I'll be away
    all week beginning the 6th, 4 days in Soton and 1 day off getting over
    the election night 'let's stare at the TV'.
    
    jb.
33.523The Run-in - Leeds' psychological advantageBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Mar 23 1992 19:1941
    
    The run-in :-
    
Mancs' Fixtures 			Leeds' Fixtures		Manc	Manc 
								Defecit games
								in pts  in
									hand
March 28th   Q.P.R. (Away) d   		West Ham  (home) w	4	2

March 31th   Norwich City (Away) w				1	1

April 4th				Mancheter C (away) w	4	2

April  7th   Man City (Home) d					3	1

April 11th				Chelsea (home) w	6	2

April 16th   Southampton (Home) w				3	1

April 18th   Luton Town (Away)  w	Liverpool (away) d	1	1

April 20th   Notts Forest (Home) d				0	0

April 21st				Coventry (home)	w	3	1

April 25th   Liverpool (Away) l					3	0

April 26th 				Sheffield Utd (away) w  6	1

West Ham United (Away) w					3 	0
    
May    2nd   Tottenham (Home) w		Norwich (home) w	3 	0


It could be the title goes to Elland Road on Sunday 26th April, Leeds will be 
6 points ahead of the Mancs, they will have 2 games to play, but they will 
have a poorer goal difference.

jb.

    
33.524What Changed Your MindESSB::BLONGThe Scousers Trophy Cabinet is EmptyMon Mar 23 1992 21:1317
33.525WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringTue Mar 24 1992 12:176
    re last
    
    ALso Jon, you go on about United not doing very well at the moment. If
    Leeds are that bloody good, they'd be out of sight by now. Leeds have
    the jitters just like United, but Leeds are fast running out of games
    to for them to get a conclusive and moral destroying advantage.
33.526It's changed.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Mar 24 1992 13:5911
    'A week is a long time in politics', so a month is 4 times longer.  As
    for the conclusive advantage, maybe this will be a little clearer at
    4.45 on Saturday afternoon, or it will be the same as it is now. This
    one will run and run ... 
    
    Simon, it is Morale rather than moral :-)
    
    Brian - rather than changing my mind I have decided to reappraise the
    situation with reference to changing parameters.
    
    jb.
33.527Don't let the grass grow under your feet!!!!WELSWS::CADDThe only way is up!!!Tue Mar 24 1992 16:309
    
    
      We may well have the jitters  but not to the extent that we feel
    the need to withold our players from doing international duty!!!!
    
    Paul....
    
    
    
33.528WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringWed Mar 25 1992 19:264
    re .527
    
    And should any of them could back injured, that would wipe any smug
    expression of your face.
33.529Roving reporter at Arsenal, Sunday.XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverWed Mar 25 1992 20:5265
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Subject: Re: Arsenal-Leeds : Eye-Witness
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The view from the Clock End at Highbury was of a low quality game,  due
mainly to Arsenal's spoiling tactics,  congesting the midfield and relying
mostly on artillery bombardments from Semen (surely he must be trying for
the golden boot this season).  There was none of the style of the televised
game they played at Notts Forest earlier this season.  They were grimly
sticking out for a nil nil draw.  There was some threat from Wright, but
Whyte effectively cancelled him out.  

The Leeds support was strangely muted.  The poor football on view,  added to
the inability of Leeds to pep things up a bit seemed to cast gloom.  Even
Eric couldn't do much in the congestion.  Batty clogged several Arsenal
players.  Strangely enough Chapman has started to play the ball a bit
lately,  it must be Canto's influence.  He lost the ball then tackled it 
back at one point,  then later on set up what could have been the crucial
move of the match. 

He scored something like 20 minutes from full time after Canto had split
the Arsenal defence apart with a superb pass right down the middle.
Shortly afterwards the Arse equalised after continual pressure.  BASTARDS.

However Chapman could have won the game for us,  for during this last few 
minutes he won the ball just on the edge of the area and was in the middle of 
an extremely deft turn when he was brought down.  The referee gave a free
kick and McAllister produced a mighty shot which somehow Semen managed
to hold.

Rodney Wallace seems to have improved his passing a bit.  McAllister was
in excellent form. Strachan seemed low and even blew a corner. He did bring
some cheer when he started haggling with the ref over where EXACTLY the 
free kick was to be taken.

Arsenal have adopted a negative style of football which strangely enough
has not dampened the enthusiasm of the gooners,  who although somewhat
down (27000 odd) on last season still produced an impressive roar
when they got their goal.  They seemed to react to the game much as fans
would at Elland Road,  with passion,  and in this they differ greatly
from their Tottenham rivals,  who closely resemble a graveyard.  Mind you
after we scored the Clock end gooners got a bit threatening (ooh-er!).
They didn't like our repeated chant in high-pitched voices of "red army".
As for the arguments about seating killing atmosphere,  I can report that
we terrace types were outsung by the smaller number of seated Leeds fans 
to our left.  Mind you we had a good old surge when the ball went 
in.

Overall I would say a draw was fair though we could have done with the
points.  I could see Chris Fairclough had decided they were on schedule
the way he was timewasting near the end with Lukic (cheers lads).  

			Tim
--
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until I'd knocked some sense into him"     | Dept 30751 NME, BNR Europe,
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with the current England Cricket manager.  | LUFC, Yorkshire's No. 1.
33.530The North Bank view (probably my last from there:-(SIOG::SPENCERPeter Spencer @DBO 827-2286Wed Mar 25 1992 21:097
    RE .529
    
    An amusing if extremely biased report. Naturally the view from the
    North Bank was slightly different ;-) No mention there of Batty trying
    to kick a hole in Winterburn's chest and Nige's daft reaction which led
    directly to the Leeds goal. Not a great game but I've seen worse and
    the draw was a fair result.
33.531CATS GOT IT'S CLAWS OUT!!WELSWS::CADDThe only way is up!!!Thu Mar 26 1992 14:057
    
    
    
    Re .528    MEEEOOOOWWWWW !!!!!!
    
    
      Paul....
33.532Hammmers to be Hammered ?BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Mar 26 1992 19:0223
    Hodge played in a reserve game last night, and he should be available
    for selection on Saturday. Peter Haddock also played a part of the
    game, he's well on the mend. 
    
    Strachan looked tired last night, I hope he is OK for Saturday.
    McAllister came on as sub, and made a better impression than some of
    his team-mates. There is still some speculation of a move to Rangers
    for around 3 million - I hope not, Strachan can't go on forever, and
    McAllister plays well when he is running the show rather than Strachan.
    Dorigo played for some of the game vs the Czechs. Batty was Captain of
    the 'B'team on Tuesday night, and had a good game.
    
    West 'am on Saturday, they are bottom and desparate, so they will be a
    handful, a couple of early goals will kill them off, otherwise who
    knows - there will be a noisy crowd there willing Leeds onward. I
    expect 3 points, but it may be a hard-fought 3 points. The Mancs have
    still got to play them, at Upton Park. They will either already be
    down, or even more desparate by then. I expect the Mancs to get at best
    a draw at QPR, they have a poor home record, but are playing well at
    the moment. 
    
    jb.
    
33.533Peter Haddock?XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Mar 27 1992 13:436
JB,

What happend to Peter Haddock as he was shaping up to be a very good player 
last season?

                            James.
33.534Xfers / team newsBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Mar 27 1992 14:3230
33.535VDrawing Blanks.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Mar 30 1992 14:2020
    Leeds 0 West Ham 0
    
    A glaring miss by Chapman meant we didn't get 3 points - at this rate,
    we'll give the Mancs the title, but at least they only drew 0-0, and
    luckily at that ! West Ham played like West Ham - one touch football
    that was good to watch, but they didn't trouble Lukic over much.
    Miklosko in the West Ham goal had a lot more to do and had a fine game.
    The Leeds defence looked a bit at sea at times, Dorigo and Speed were
    the stand in full backs, and they swapped over at half time. Newsome
    was the stand in centre back, and his inexperience showed at times.
    Leeds laid siege to the West Ham goal and should have sewn it up, but
    they didn't, instad the Mancs were left with a chance to overtake us
    which they will do if they win at Norwich, not a happy hunting ground
    for them. 
    
    Sterland is out for the rest of the season, he has an operation
    tomorrow on his injured ankle. Agana is back at Notts County, Mauchlen
    is on a 2nd month's loan from Leicester.
    
    jb.
33.536Come on you Canaries.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Mar 31 1992 17:228
    Sterland may not be as badly injured as once thought, he goes into
    hospital for an exploratory operation today, he could be back for the
    last 2 games of the season. 
    
    All this title tittle tattle is gatting to me, perhaps I should follow
    a mid-table team, Norwich for example ;-)
    
    jb.
33.537Norwich don't do us any favoursBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Apr 01 1992 14:3812
    Back down to 2nd, albeit temporarily, looks like a good win for the
    Mancs last night. It isn't over yet, the Mancs have got their hectic
    spell to come. the bookies make the Mancs favourites, but it will be
    very close, maybe goal difference could be the 'differentiator'. 
    
    The game at Maine Rd kicks off at 2pm on Saturday, owing to the fact
    there is a Muslim Festival in Moss Side. I'll be listening to the
    radio! The Mancs have a Saturday off, so we could go 2 points clear
    (with the 2 games in hand for the Mancs) if we beat the rapidly fading
    Blues.
    
    jb.
33.538Hodge / NostalgiaBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Apr 03 1992 14:1814
    Hodge scored 2 on Wed night as Leeds Reserves beat Sheff Utd reserves
    3-2, he is pressing for a place in the starting line up vs Man City
    tomorrow. Haddock also played 90 minutes, he came through Ok, althought
    he said he was 'a little tird'. He won't get a look in this season, but
    should be available again for next season.
    
    jb.
    
    ps. I was reading a supplement to the April issue of 'Steam Railway'
    yesterday, it is a well known fact that Steam locomotives were regulary
    working main line trains between Waterloo and Bournemouth after
    Manchester United last won the league.
    
    cunno_in_disguise.
33.539Self-depracationSUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Fri Apr 03 1992 14:298
33.540when youve won it as many times as us you can get excitedKERNEL::HAWLEYIooh look! its Rob Jones!!!Fri Apr 03 1992 14:448
    
    re. -2
    
    I am a little too young to remember when LEEDS last won the title too.
    i wasnt even at nursery school at the time.
    
    Ian.
    
33.541Waterloo SunsetBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Apr 03 1992 14:487
    re 'a little tird' :-
    
    Thr is a problm with this kyboard - it kps forgtting the lettr ''
    
    jb.
    
    
33.542H H H H H 8-)TRUCKS::SANTanother day in paradise?Fri Apr 03 1992 14:514
    
    	Don't try and fix it, jb....I like it the way it is!! 8-)
    
    	Andy.
33.543Off the Leeds next weekXSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Apr 03 1992 17:087
I will be in Leeds for the game versus Chelsea and will be in the west stand. I
am wondering whether any other DEC/LEEDS supporters would like to share a drink 
or something on the morning or evening of the game. I have no idea where I am 
going except that I will be in the ground around 11:00 to look around. Anybody
out there going?

                               James.
33.544Get your Zimmerframes out!!!WELSWS::CADDThe only way is up!!!Fri Apr 03 1992 18:4330
    
    
       James,                       
    
               I will be there with another DEC person for that game, 
       we normally go to an Irish owned pub called the Imperial ('bout
    10 mins from ground) ,and get there  between 12-1.00 o'clock,
    could make it sooner if you like??.
      The Peacock tends to get overcrowded but we could meet there if you
    prefer.
         If you would like directions or to meet up then send me a mail
    WELSWS::CADD, CADD@WLO
       That is the weekend of my 30th birthday so should be a good day!!!!!
    
        Off to Maine road tomorrow as my parents live in Manchester. The
    game is kicking off at 14:00 i believe because of a Muslim festival in
    Moss side.A win would keep the championship more exciting, I believe we
    can accept no less than a win to stay in contention.
    
          Whyte is back in the side and Speed is dropping back to cover for
    Mel Sterland who is still out. Cantona should be in the starting line
    up again. Hodge and Newsome I belive will be the subs.
    
    
    Paul..  
    
         
    
    
        
33.545Where is it ?BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Apr 03 1992 18:485
    Paul,
    
    Where's the Imperial ?
    
    jb.
33.546it's there or there about'sWELSWS::CADDThe only way is up!!!Fri Apr 03 1992 19:197
    
    
    Jon ,
         It is in Cemetary Rd up a the hill on the left.
    
    
    p.c.
33.547The wrong side of a 4-0BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Apr 06 1992 13:1518
    Crap Mancs 4 Leeds 0
    
    Oh sh*t - is this the end of the title hopes ? All we can do now is to
    hope the mancs blow up / lose a couple / draw more and we win. I was
    at the Worth Valley Railway on Saturday, so I listened to part of the
    commentary on Radio Leeds - sitting in the Buffet Car supping Timothy
    Taylor's pop - and getting more morbid and depressed as the afternoon
    wore on. Leeds seemed to have the play in the 1st half, but couldn't
    put the ball away, and then they gave up. I hope Man City play the same
    on Tuesday night, they can still make Europe as they play Man U and
    Sheff Wed on Saturday, so they still have something to play for. Leeds
    better start getting results, they must make 2nd place at least safe,
    Sheff Wed are 6 points behind with 1 game in hand.
    
    Things might change on Tuesday night, City could win etc etc etc, then
    the Mancs match marathon starts.
    
    jb.
33.548Mumble Mumble.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Apr 06 1992 17:4411
    Ray Wallace is on his way back from Swansea, there has been an admin
    cock up wrt his registration. There were no injuries on Saturday (only
    to people's pride!), so the same 11 should start against Chelsea, and
    give 'em a good hiding, just like their well-known Prime Ministerial
    fan gets on Thursday.
    
    Come on you Blues etc etc.
    
    When is the replay date for the Rum Cup Final ?
    
    jb.
33.549Players of the Year Mk 1BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Apr 07 1992 13:158
    David Batty was voted the Executive Club player of the season, Tony
    Dorigo was a close 2nd. The Executive Club is mainly made up of media
    types, ex-players, has-beens and never-weres, but who have money.
    
    All eyes will be on Manchester tonight (cont P.94)
    
    jb.
    
33.550Makita TeamsBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Apr 07 1992 17:305
    The Makita Tournamant will be played at Elland Road on 1/2 August.
    Teams involved are Leeds United, Nottingham Forest, Sampdoria and Vfb
    Stuttgart.
    
    jb.
33.551Eric - decision loomsBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Apr 09 1992 18:467
    Wilko must decide whether to keep Eric Cantona by the 16th of April. A
    fee in the order of 1 million will be required by Nimes, and there are
    also Eric's personal terms to sort out. Wilko is said to be showing an
    interest in Brian Deane again, it could be that Eric Cantona goed back
    to France and Deane joins Leeds, or they both do !
    
    jb.
33.552MakitaBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Apr 09 1992 19:4213
    Makita Draw :-
    
    Forest vs Sampdoria 12.30pm Sat 1 Aug
    Leeds vs Stuttgart  3pm Sat 1 Aug
    
    3rd/4th play off 12.30 pm Sun 2 Aug
    final                3 pm Sun 2 Aug
    
    Should be a good curtain raiser to the new season, English League
    Champions, German League Champions, European Champions and ZDS and R
    Cup Holders ! ;-)
    
    jb.
33.553Ho HumMINDER::MACDONALDIMUFC ECWC ChampionsThu Apr 09 1992 20:307
    Re -last
    
    Surely you jest %^)
    
    	It could turn out to be a tournament of 'runners up' :) (or losers)
    
    mac
33.554RESULTSSUBURB::WAITEGOnly the man who says no is freeThu Apr 09 1992 21:061
    Can someone post me all the results.
33.555.XBM of Leeds United logo with the rose and leeds' name.XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Apr 10 1992 15:3143
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33.556Just what I always wanted!RIGHTO::HAIGHBritons. The ultimate masochists.Fri Apr 10 1992 16:410
33.557How to print it out or use it as an ICON on your workstationXSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverFri Apr 10 1992 17:3234
A few people have got onto me as to how to print it the logo out or use how to
usefully employ it. So here's how I use it.

It is to be extracted as a text file without any of the headers naming it 
LEEDS_LOGO.XBM.

If you have a graphics converter something like UTOX or XV you can translate the
image into a more suitable format for printing i.e. DDIF for DECwrite.

This image is imported into DECwrite using the link image option! the rest is up
to yourself.

Because it is a low resolution image it is more suitable for use as an ICON on 
your workstation. How you do that is as following

Edit a file in your sys$login directory called DECW$MWM.DAT

and insert a line in it as following 

Mwm*decw$terminal*iconImage:    directory_spec[]leeds_logo.xbm
Mwm*iconImageMaximum:   60x60

Set up the file in the appropriate dir and restart your window manager. This 
should work with any decterms that are created on your workstation. 

Not this will only work if you have a workstation, no VT100's.

The effect is suitably impressive. Everyone on XSTACY will want one I am sure 
:-).

I will make a better resolution image of the logo available some time next week
in my public directory. Stay tuned.

                              James.
33.558XSTACY::KMCGRATHLong road, patient donkeyFri Apr 10 1992 22:127
James,

Did you make this yourself?
I think the demand on xstacy for leeds logos is a bit low at the 
moment, - got any others?

 - Kev
33.559Meeting MinutesBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Apr 13 1992 16:3452
    Minutes of a meeting of the Leeds United Supporters' Club (Digital
    Branch) held at The Imperial, Cemetry Rd, Beeston, Leeds on Saturday
    last 11the April 1992.

    Present :-

    James Lundon, Paul Cadd, Jon Blythe, Tim Sherlock.
    
    Agenda :-
    
    1.Chances vs Chelsea
    2.Chances of League Title
    3.Why are the Mancs useless ;-)
    4.Other Noters ;-)
    5.Bitter for me, Lager for Paul, Lager Shandy for Tim who was suffering
      from post-Tetley's depression, and James was on Orange.
    
    Items 1 and 2 on the Agenda were passed unanimously, Item 3 was agreed
    on unanimously, unfortunately they beat a tired Forest yesterday, but
    Soton and Lution will get the better of them this forthcoming week.
    Item 4 was touched upon, but the person most talked about (2 sentences)
    isn't doing much at the moment, and is restricting his comments. Item 5
    on the agenda was repeated several times.
    
    The meeting then was declared closed, and the delegates then wobbled off 
    in the direction of Elland Road.
    
    The first half was poor, no team really getting a decdnt shot in, both
    goalkeepers having an easy time of it. The 2nd half started better, but
    it wasn't till 56 minutes that the deadlock was brokern, a Wallace goal
    coming from a Strachan cross passed on by Chapman made it 1-0. Leeds
    kept pressing, and Chapman made it 2-0 on 88, a Cantona flick was put
    in via the post and rebound - scrappy, but it counted. Then came Goal
    of the Season from Eric Cantona - he got the ball on the edge of the
    area, flicked it on one foot and then the other and crashed it past
    Beasant to make it 3-0 in injury time. Leeds went back top, by 1 point.
    Great rejoicing then took place etc....
    
    Cantona is transfwerring to Leeds on a permanent basis, the total cost
    is 1 million, of which 100,000 has already been pain in loan fees.
    
    There are no injuries to worry about, the next game is Saturday at 5.30
    vs Liverpool, I think it's live on the TV in the Yorkshire area at
    least, but I'll have to check that. The Mancs will have played their 2
    games in hand by then, they might get a point at Luton and struggle to
    win vs Soton on their beach.
    
    The Icon is fine James.
    
    jb.
    
    
33.560CantonaMIACT::MASONMon Apr 13 1992 17:459
    My first forage into the Leeds file...
    
    Cantona could prove to be your buy of the season (as Schmeical was
    ours). His goal on Saturday was stunning - a wonderful display of
    individual skill and power. The game could do with more like him.
    
    As for the next couple of weeks, may the best team win....
    
    J
33.561WelcomeBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Apr 13 1992 17:5921
!                   <<< Note 33.560 by MIACT::MASON >>>
!                                -< Cantona >-
!
!    My first forage into the Leeds file...
    
    Welcome to the world of happy noting.
    
    The Mancs have some 'easy' games coming up - Soton still not out of
    relegation trouble, Luton ditto, Forest will be out for revenge, West
    Ham will be down and have no pressure on them, Liverpool are Liverpool
    (ie 3 points 8-| ) and Tottering Tottenham (who could be playing with
    Fatso). Leeds have Liverpool, Coventry who are still not out of the
    mire, Sheffield United who are on form and Norwich - nothing to play
    for but pride. 
    
    "At the end of the day there'll be nowt in it"
    
    jb.
    
        
    
33.562"Eee-i eee-i eee-i-O"WELCLU::CADDI Got a T.V., You Got a T.V.Mon Apr 13 1992 18:0221
    
    
       Priceless Jon..
    
        What do you think about Wilko putting McAllister at R/B, bit of a
    strange decision.(as was the one that Strachan got when through on
    goal?).
    
       Hope you enjoyed your weekend over here James and you were happy
    with the result.
    
     The 'pool on saturday which i have managed to get a ticket for, lets
    hope we can turn round the result at Anfield from last year (3-0).
    anyone know if McManaman is fit? he can be a bit of a handful.
    
    Jon send us mail if you want to meet up again sometime
    
    
    Paul...
    
     
33.563You dirty ^%^%^%^%^ %^%$&^ ^$%BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millMon Apr 13 1992 20:3013
    re last
    
    McAllister struggled a bit at left back, but in the 2nd half he got
    forward more. The Chelsea player was lucky to stay on the field. If
    Leeds had been 1 down and there was only a couple of minutes to go,
    that sort of refereeing blunder could upset a lot of people. The ref had
    a very poor game.
    
    2 more home games to go, I expect the executives of Tetleys, John and
    Sam Smith, Saml. Webster will be hoping for a good May Day Bank Holiday
    Weekend...............
    
    jb.
33.564Tim Kennedy commentsXSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverTue Apr 14 1992 15:3274
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Subject: Leeds News April 13
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Leeds are still working hard to overcome the loss of Mel
Sterland Sex Machine at right back,  but on Saturday again
returned to the top of division one with a 3-0 victory over
Chelsea at Elland Road. 

Wallace got the first in the 56th minute,  set up by a nice
move by Strach who could have tried it himself.  Chapman got 
the less attractive second goal in the final ten minutes and 
Cantona wowed his huge personal following in the 89th minute
by receiving a cross,  controlling it with his chest, knee, and
instep, beating the Chelsea defence and releasing a ferocious drive 
into the far top corner of the net.  He then went straight behind the 
goal and kissed his shirt before the joyous multitudes.

McAllister took Zico's position for the first half but was
eventually superseded by Newsome while he partnered Speed in 
midfield,  substantially improving Leeds' game.

Referee Neil Midgeley astounded an already incredulous footballing
world by not sending off Chelsea defender Clarke for a blatant
foul,  bringing Strach down when he was heading for goal.  Midgeley
is of course reknowned for his eccentric decisions as Pat Nevin will
testify among others.  Anyway Porterfield substituted Clarke straight
away and thus weakened their previously stout defence. 

Cantona is to stay at Leeds which is a very popular decision.  He is
the idol of the Leeds fans who haven't had a player of such class
probably since Tony Currie's wife took him back to QPR in 1978.  This
is not to put down the abilities of Strach,  Macca, Batts and the lads
but Big Eric is very special.
The remaining games of the season are:

Liverpool           Away 19 April telly
Coventry            Home 20 April telly
Sheffield Utd       Away 25 April telly highlights
Norwich City        Home  2 May

Man U have :

Southampton         Home 16 April
Luton               Away 18 April
Notts Forest(h)     sorry no dates
Liverpool(a)        sorry no dates
West Ham(a)         sorry no dates
Spurs(h)            sorry no dates

Four of these games are played in a six day period so they should
stumble with a bit of luck.  West Ham and Luton are desparate to 
avoid relegation (West Ham trashed Norwich 4-0 on Saturday,  and
Luton's scoring record belies their actual ability as a team.)
Plus Gazza is set to play his last game for Spurs at Old Trafford...
Liverpool are bound to lose to them though.

			Tim
--
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the alltime greatest single.  Way ahead of | Dept 30730 NME, BNR Europe,
Strawberry Fields and Stairway To Heaven,  | Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB.
at no. 1 was I Owe You Nothing by Bros.    | LUFC, Yorkshire's No. 1.

++

                                 James.
33.565More graphics availableXSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverTue Apr 14 1992 15:4114
I cleaned up the logo a little and have made it available in three formats. All
these are available in

XSTACY::USERS5$:[jlundon.public]Leeds_logo.xbm   ( XBM )     396 blocks
XSTACY::USERS5$:[jlundon.public]Leeds_logo.ddif  ( DDIF )     64 blocks
XSTACY::USERS5$:[jlundon.public]Leeds_logo.gif   ( GIF )      15 blocks

All images are about 500 by 500. Large!

I will post a long match report in the next couple of days on my experiences at
Leeds. Stay tuned.


                                 James.
33.566Liverpool game changed againBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Apr 15 1992 14:319
    The Liverpool game will kick off at 3pm on Saturday according to Ceefax
    last night. I didn't see any reference to TV highlights in the press,
    nobody seems to know !
    
    I see Luton are doing their end of season Houdini act - 7 wins from
    their last 10 home games, with any luck they will beat the Mancs on
    Saturday, with Varadi scoring a hat-trick and Chris Kamara getting 1 !
    
    jb.
33.567Match report of 11th April 1992 - Leeds-Chelsea. Very Long.XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverWed Apr 15 1992 19:45278
          Match report from the Leeds-Chelsea League
                 game of the 11th April 1992
          ----------------------------------------------

          I made my way to Elland Road otherwise known
          as [Mecca] on Saturday 11th  April 1992 for an
          important league game that would decide
          whether Leeds  would stay in the league
          championship race or not. Leeds have had a
          very  good recent record over Chelsea so hopes
          were high that a positive result  would be
          achieved.

          My trip was part of a bi-yearly trip arranged
          by the Leeds supporters clubs  in Ireland to
          Leeds. The previous trip was for the Tottenham
          match last  December :-(. Leeds have four
          separate supporters clubs in the country
          Galway,  Sligo, Cork and Dublin. A total of
          about 80 people were arranged to go to the
          match. Some going by ship and some by plane. I
          decided to go by plane! Flew  into Manchester
          from Galway on Friday evening and then got a
          coach to Leeds.  Stayed in a fairly basic B&B
          near Headingley Cricket ground. If I ever goto
          to  see a cricket game in Leeds I will rent
          out that room as it had a view not  bettered
          by anyone seated in the ground itself. I just
          went to bed excited at  the prospect of
          walking on the holy ground tomorrow and seeing
          my heroes in  action the next day.

          Up early Saturday morning and had breakfast.
          This was going to be a day to  remember as the
          sun started to break through the clouds
          leaving it a somewhat  hazy morning. Got to
          the ground early approx 11:00. Got a mini tour
          of  the Club grounds and dressingrooms.
          Couldn't get into the trophy room as it  was
          to crammed with cups any trophies ;-0. Got a
          few pictures of the ground  while empty. Then,
          somebody said that the players had started to
          come via the  players car park. Chapman was
          one of the first in and was in the dressing
          rooms before 11:00. All the players have to be
          in before 13:00 for a Saturday  game.

          Went to watch a youths game in the training
          ground while waiting for the  players to come
          in. During this time Whyte, Batty, McAllister,
          Speed, Hodge  and Newsome came and went. I got
          my picture with all of the them. No point
          really getting their autographs as they were
          merely scribbles in the furore of  people
          trying to gain access to them. The players
          were all very approachable,  friendly and
          chatty as long as you didn't try and knock
          them down with  enthusiasm. The youth team
          included two Irish internationals Curtis and
          Kelly. Kelly has already played first team
          football this season and was star of the  game
          with some beautiful touches. They won the game
          2-0 to go 7 points ahead  in the Northern
          intermediate league. Barnsley can still
          overtake them but  will have to win their four
          games in hand to go above us. During the game
          I  spoke with the father of no. 6 Walters. He
          spoke of the problems of making it  through
          the youths system and into the pro ranks. He
          described the chances of  his son making it in
          pro football as 40-60 against, even though
          Leeds have  offered him another year in the
          youth stream. He also stressed the importance
          that the Leeds' people put on the need for
          their youth players continuing  their
          education. This is vital as what will a player
          do if he doesn't make it in football?

          Howard Wilkinson came out for a few minutes
          during the youth game. He seems to  wear a
          permanent frown. It must be a very stressful
          job being a manager [Look  at Sourpuss]. He
          too was very cordial as I got his picture. Oh,
          look at the  clock it was already 12:30 and I
          had forgotten that I was due to meet the
          other DECies at the imperial @ 12:00. Made my
          way upto the pub, a good mile  from the ground
          around 12:50. Didn't recognise "Ee bah gum
          th's trouble at  t'mill" [JB] as he was facing
          away from me. Eventually he came upto the bar
          and the rest is history. Paul "Essex Man"
          Cadd, Tim Sherlock [secret noter] Jon and I
          had an official DEC/LEEDS supporters club 
          meeting. Paul must qualify for some
          award for faithful  fans as he makes his way
          up from Essex every second Saturday to see
          Leeds,  Leeds, Leeds. In total he has only
          missed 3/4 games all season either HOME or
          AWAY in all competitions. Wow some supporter!
          He even loses sleep over Leeds  the sign of a
          real fan. Most women never understand how
          important socceer is  to real fans ;*).

          The imperial was by no means packed as the
          lads said it was during the season.  Maybe the
          faithful had given up hope of the league
          coming to Leeds this  season? Strolled down to
          the ground around 14:20. The crowd was
          streaming in  at that stage and the day was
          great for a game of football. Said good luck
          to  the lads and said that I would be back.

          Got to my seat at the top of the west stand
          near the Kop side and had a good  view of the
          proceedings. As for the game itself Leeds
          lined out as thus

                  Lukic

                  McAllister Fairclough Whyte Dorigo

                  Strachan Speed Batty Hodge(Newsome)

                  Chapman Wallace(Cantona)

          V. Jones got a great reception from the crowd
          and he returned it fully. That  was all we saw
          of him except for a few desperate clearances
          in the first half by him. The game started
          very shakily for both sides. Chelsea packed
          the  midfield with Cascarino on his own up
          front. He might as well have been  selling ice
          cream as he would have had more service ;-).
          Leeds played very  poorly with no penetration
          at all from corners, free-kicks or throw ins.
          Many  of these so called well practiced
          movements looked very amateurish with even
          basic throw ins going to Chelsea players
          instead of Leeds players. What was  apparent
          from very early on was the complete stupidity
          of Referee  Midgley who had to put it mildly a
          horrendous game. Fortunately his decisions
          went both ways, but Leeds were probably on the
          receiving end of the more  crucial ones.
          Firstly, when Wallace broke through midway
          through the first half  and seemed to have
          been felled in the penalty area. The Ref.
          played on. He had  a somewhat irritating habit
          or waving his hands around a lot in a manner
          not  dissimilar to an American football Umpire
          which caused as much confusion to  the players
          and the fans as anything else. There should be
          a code of standard  signals which would allow
          the Ref. communicate his decisions as
          effectively as  possible to the players and
          fans.

          Strachan got himself booked in the first half
          for talking back to the Referee.  He was a bit
          lucky in my book to stay on the field at all
          in the second half.  Wise for Chelsea was like
          Rambo marauding around the field taking out
          anybody  he liked as long as it was behind the
          Ref. back, which most times it was. The  best
          chant from the Kop was "what's it like to have
          no home", "Leeds Leeds  Leeds", "We are Leeds"
          and all the usual stuff. Come half time they
          were booed  off the pitch and rightly so. What
          a beautiful day and ruin it with this
          standard of football from a club hoping to
          regain top spot in the first  division. Trying
          to get something hot to eat at half-time was
          next to  impossible as the queues were very
          long. I didn't like the idea of standing in  a
          queue for all half-time and then not get
          served before the game would  restart.

          Wilko must have gave the Lads a good
          rollicking at half-time as I swore that I
          heard him shouting up in the stand at half
          time. They came out in the second  half with a
          more unbeat attitude to the game. Chelsea's 4
          million pound man  Townsend showed a few
          flashes but Chelsea offered little in the way
          of real  opposition. Leeds were playing more
          direct and it soon reaped rewards with
          Strachan breaking down the right wing cutting
          into the penalty area and then  rather than
          taking his own shot cut it in to Wallace who
          was in a better  position Wallace then put the
          ball to the left of Beasant and it was 1-0.
          The  relief was palpable in the crowd. After
          that chance Chelsea had their best
          opportunity but Wise wasted it but hitting
          over the bar. We breathed again! I  felt that
          Leeds have been very soft once they went 1-0
          up, it has happened too  often going 1-0 up
          and then conceding an equaliser within 10
          minutes, this  season. Once that threat blew
          over I was certain that we were going to win.

          What happened next defied the imagination.
          Strachan broke away galloping from his own
          half, Wallace was supporting him, with the
          Chelsea defenders  caught flat footed. Clarke
          took Strachan out from behind as Strachan had
          a clear scoring opportunity. A sending off
          offence. The Ref. did his bit again by only
          flashing a yellow. It was Strachan  that was
          nearly sent off for arguing. I cannot
          understand why professional  footballers push
          the Ref. to a point where they could be forced
          to book  players for arguing over decisions he
          has already made. Luckily, Leeds were  already
          1-0 up or else there *could* have been some
          disquieting scenes if that  scenario had taken
          place with minutes to go and Leeds not
          winning.

          Still 1-0 and jittery. No great performance
          but a win is a win. Had the clock  stopped
          since the 57th minute when we scored as time
          slowed perceptibly? Then  it happened, pure
          bedlam. Hodge had been substituted for Newsome
          and then  Wilko brought on Cantona for the
          last 6 minutes taking Wallace off. Cantona
          was involved in the second goal with Speed
          bringing the ball down the left  wing. Cantona
          playing it off a post and Chapman being on
          hand, sorry on torso  to force it in. It was a
          messy goal but they all count. At that point
          Chelsea  folded like a house of cards. The
          third, the goal we all had come to see,
          scored with a minute to go was a beaut.
          Cantona got the ball in from the right  wing
          and flicked the ball over two defenders heads
          and then crashed an  unstoppable ball past
          Beasants left hand. The place erupted. It was
          goal of  the season *in our eyes anyhow*. And
          it ensured that we would back on top with  a
          superior goal difference to the other team in
          the race. If the game had gone  on another 10
          minutes Leeds would have scored another few
          goals.

          After the match the Irish supporters club made
          a presentation to Jim Beglin  for his upcoming
          testimonial of 208 pounds. I waited around
          after the match  hoping to get my picture with
          the players I missed before the game. I
          achieved that missing only Lukic who avoided
          everyone and Dorigo whom nobody  saw before or
          after the match. They seemed to have slipped
          out a back door.  All the other ran the
          gauntlet of the crowd. Needless to say Cantona
          got the  best reception. When Strachan came
          out he was also mobbed by youngsters and  one
          of the nippers uttered an expletive when
          Strachan wouldn't sign his  autograph quick
          enough. Strachan stared at him and asked him
          what he had  said. The young fellow had
          nowhere to turn and he knew it.

          Visited the supporters shop afterwards. It was
          well stocked but was I thought  a bit pricey.
          Everybody went home happy now waiting for MUFC
          to make the next  stumble and looking forward
          to playing Liverpool at Anfield next Saturday.
          The agony continues and I am beginning to
          believe that the league will be  probably
          decided on the final day of the season when
          Leeds play Norwich at  home with MUFC playing
          Tottenham. Who cares who they play as the
          League is  destined for Leeds this season with
          a bit of luck.


                         James.
33.568MINDER::MACDONALDIMUFC ECWC ChampionsWed Apr 15 1992 20:307
    re .567
    
    	An excellent report, reports like these are well worth reading,
    as they are more informal and therefore interesting to read.
    
    
    mac
33.569SUBURB::WAITEGOnly the man who says no is freeWed Apr 15 1992 20:381
    I agree
33.570Good Not !BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Apr 15 1992 21:0114
    Good report James - when is your next trip over ?
    
    I've never been on a tour round the ground, but they are available, I
    might get round to it one day.
    
    Here's a synopsis of a Leeds match day :-
    
    Up / Brekker / Faff about, fix this, fix that / Paper, Sandwich / Bus /
    Adelphi / Walk to ground (or bus) / Programme / Bog / Jump up & down /
    Bog / More jumping up and down (repeat n times) / Lift Home / Change /
    Celebrate ......
    
    jb.
    
33.571disappointmentKERNEL::HAWLEYIYogic flying, new olympic event?Wed Apr 15 1992 21:055
    jb,
    didnt see any mention of beer in there?
    ;-)
    Ian.
    
33.572It's there BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Apr 15 1992 21:166
    Ian,
    
    It's contained in / Adelphi / (the pub is next to Tetley's brewery on
    Hunslet Road)
    
    jb.
33.573oops, sorryKERNEL::HAWLEYIYogic flying, new olympic event?Wed Apr 15 1992 21:237
    jb,
    
    sorry, mate, i misjudged you there!
    :-)
    
    Ian.
    
33.574Eric negotiatesBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Apr 16 1992 13:1114
33.575PredictionsBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millThu Apr 16 1992 15:0716
    It's a sunny day in Leeds, so I'll take the afternoon off.
    
    Easter Predictions :-
    
    Liverpool 1 Leeds 2
    Leeds 4 Coventry 0
    
    Mancs 1 Soton 2
    Luton 2 Mancs 1
    Mancs 1 Forest 1
    
    That will do niceley !
    
    Happy Easter to all noters (even including Mancs ;-) )
    
    jb.
33.576R2ME2::HINXMANI'll just sit here and rustThu Apr 16 1992 18:254
	Does .575 indicate that the author has been consuming
	"controlled substances"?

	Tony
33.577'Ave' you been drinking that Pop they call Tetley'sSAC::MAGUIRE_GThu Apr 16 1992 21:2419
    
    JB,
    
    Have you been drinking Tetley's from Liverpool again or have you just
    been drinking. As I remember the frequency for Radio Manchester was 
    around 206-208 MW so you could try that out for some partisan
    commentry.
    
    I hope you have a Happy Easter. Easter still holds fond memories in my
    mind of the time we trounced Leeds 3-1 less that 48 hours after losing
    to the Red Devils in the F.A. Cup Semi-Final replay after extra time.
    Still we are in the Premier League next season when we look forward to
    hitting the back of the Leeds net once more at Boundary Park.
    
    Happy Easter.
    
    Regards,
    	    Gerry.
    
33.578Leeds don't want to win eitherAIMTEC::WICKS_AMore Ship dates than actual ShipsMon Apr 20 1992 23:2912
    And more rumours from the U.K
    
    despite slips up by the Mancs on both Saturday and today Leeds look
    unable to take the title.
    
    First a 0-0 draw against the F.A Cup winners elect Liverpool and now 
    apparently it is 0-0 at half-time against relegation contenders
    Coventry.
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
33.579United back on topGIDDAY::PARSONSSupport SLS and see the worldTue Apr 21 1992 04:1811
    
    Well the final scores were :
    
    Leeds United    2  Coventry City      0
    Manchester Utd  1  Nottingham Forest  2
    
    Leeds go back on top by 1 point with Man Utd still having a 
    game in hand (West Ham away on Wednesday I think).
    
    Unfortunately for Leeds Man Utd's next two games are West Ham
    and then Liverpool (1st division thrashing boys at the moment).
33.580Top top top top of the LeagueBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Apr 21 1992 14:0352
    Saturday :-
    
    No telly match, so I listened on Radio Leeds, and had a good nail
    nibble. Leeds held out well against a Liverpool side playing above
    themselves, and Leeds should have taken 3 points, they had 2 shots
    cleared off the line. Still, a draw at Anfield is better than a defeat.
    The Luton result was also good, and the Mancs were lucky to get a point.
    
    Monday :-
    
    I've been up to the Lakes for the Easter w/e, I went on a tour of
    Morecambe bay on Monday morning - why don't the Mancs move the OT pitch
    1 1/2 miles off Grange-over-Sands, so they can a least have a flat
    sandy pitch, and then they can blame the tide for any results that
    might go against them ? I listened to the Radio 5 commentary on the way
    down to Elland Road, 1-0 to Forest, 1-1 (still good). I went into the
    ground at 4.30, just as I was about to go to my seat, Forest scored -
    the place erupted, one bloke spilt Elland Road Soup down himself but
    seemed happy enough. The final score from OT sent the Kop into
    raptures, which lasted about 10 minutes into the match with Coventry
    when nerves took over and mails were chewed. In the 2nd half,
    Fairclough got the opening goal after a Coventry mix up, and that was
    it, Coventry can't score. Leeds then went all out, Chapman missed his
    usual (almost) sitter, and Coventry were beaten on 81 by a McAllister
    penalty, Strachan was injured by then so didn't take it. No doubt there
    will be a whingeing session by other about it, but McAllister broke
    through, had his shot stopped by Ogrizovich, the rebound came to
    Cantona whose shot was handled on the line. Cantona came on for the
    last 15 minutes, replacing Wallace, and caused general mayhem in the
    Coventry defence.
    
    Leeds go top by one point, they have a superior goal difference (+35 to
    +31), the Mancs have a game in hand, if they don't win it.....
    
    Leeds are now in Europe whatever happens, but it's the European Cup
    they want to be in. No slip-ups now, we don't want the Mancs or
    Wednesday to win the Laegue !
    
    Games left :-
    
    Sunday Sheff Utd away
    Sat next Norwich home
    
    Mancs :-
    
    Wednesday West Ham away
    Sunday Liverpool away
    Saturday next Tottenham home
    
    Looks like the pendulum has swung back in Leeds' favour.
    
    jb.
33.581Mini Liverpool report from Visual evidenceXSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverTue Apr 21 1992 14:5135
The Liverpool - Leeds game was shown on R.T.E ( local station ) on Saturday. It
made quite poor viewing in general, but I can say that we deserved nothing and 
Lukic was by far my man of the match for his timely saves. They hit him with a 
few blockbusters but he kept them out. Leeds could have stolen the match at the
death with a Fairclough header which was booted off the line by Houghton. Did 
anybody tell Houghton that Leeds are to win the league. Come on Cunno why didn't 
you have a word in his ear before the game. We were lucky to escape with a point!

Saying that Yesterday was XSTACY!! MUFC doing their usual Heckle and Jeckle 
double act. Eternal thanks to Forest for the large favour done. MUFC's patch,
sorry pitch isn't fit for showjumping let alone play first division football.
Leeds did the business with a good second half performance capped with two goals
to increase our goal difference superiority.

           The is the dream scenario for Leeds to win the league
           =====================================================

Leeds go into the last game of the season 2 points behind with United odds on to 
take the championship. Leeds win their game against Norwich 3-0. Norwich having 
nothing to play for as they are safe from relegation. MUFC look like winning 
their game against Spurs 1-0 but wait super sub Gazza arrives on the pitch with 
minutes to go and with his first touch plays a delightful chip over Schmichels 
head from 50 years to gain a draw for Spurs and the league for Leeds. 

LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDs, Champions!

The stuff that Legends are made of. I will tell my grandchildren that I was 
there, if not in body but in mind. It would surpass the Arsenal-Liverpool '89
decider.

JB, Paul, Tim got the photos back. Most of them came out, will send them on in 
due course. The only ones that didn't come out were the ones when Cantona 
scored. Those photos were somewhat blurred??!! 

                          James.
33.582England CallingBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Apr 21 1992 17:4212
    Lukic, Dorigo and Batty are in the England squad for next weeks'
    internationals vs the CIS, if Leeds are still involved in the
    Championship then they won't be required to play. It's about time Lukic
    was called up into the England set up. Dorigo will have a chance due to
    Pearce being injured, and Batty should have played vs the Czechs as the
    England midfield lacked bite.
    
    If they do play, it means that Leeds beat Sheff Utd, and the Mancs got
    less than 6 points from West Ham and Liverpool - they'll probably get 2
    at best.
    
    jb.
33.583:-)XSTACY::PATTISONTree!Tue Apr 21 1992 19:429
	Grandchildren, James?

	Is there something you'd like to tell us?




	
33.584Telly to decide kick off ?BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millTue Apr 21 1992 20:1318
    
    Leeds beat Sheff Utd and Norwich, pts 82 goal diff to +38
    
    Mancs beat West Ham and Tottenham, draw at Liverpool pts 82 goal diff
    to +34
    
    Sheff Wed beat Palace and Liverpool pts 79 goal diff poor
    
    It's tight, but it could be all over by Sunday teatime.
    
    The TV companies are wanting to stage the Man U and Leeds games
    scheduled for 2 May on Sunday 3 May - this isn't on, why should the
    one-eyed monster get matches moved when safety considerations don't
    (remember 5th May 1990?, FA Cup replays). The championship is now a 3
    way fight, Wednesday could still take it. All matches to start at 3pm
    Saturday.
    
    jb.
33.585Injury problems ?BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Apr 22 1992 13:1513
    Strachan and Hodge are fighting to be fit for the high noon showdown at
    Bramall Lane, Strachan's sciatica is playing up again, Hodge has a calf
    injury. Hodge will miss the Norwich game anyway, as he has reached 21
    disciplinary points and will serve a 1 match suspension, he was booked
    at Liverpool last Saturday.
    
    I'll listen to the radio commentary tonight, West Ham are as good as
    down, perhaps some of the pressure will be off them, and they can play
    some good football and beat / hold the Mancs to a draw. No doubt that
    cheating little $%$^% Hughes will be diving all over the place, I hope
    he gets sent off.
    
    jb.
33.586Gloves off for a clean fight..!?MIACT::MASONWed Apr 22 1992 16:1424
    Mr Blythe, I am shocked.
    
    Here was I thinking that you were one of the more intelligent of
    observers...
    
    Mark Hughes may be many things, but to accuse anyone of being a cheat
    is just a touch below the belt. You may not like him very much, fine,
    but less of the offensive stuff please.
    
    As to the championship, I will only affirm what other noters have said
    - its going to be mighty close. The nerves they are a-jangling on both
    sides of the fence. Lets not forget Sheffield Wednesday, who, without
    any pressure on them whatsoever in comparison to the top two, may well
    sneak in and steal the day!
    
    I will be suffering at Old Trafford on the last day of the season,
    watching my heroes and listening to yours on the radio. We can but
    speculate, but come 5pm on Saturday/Sunday (10pm Friday???) we will all
    be put out of our misery.
    
    The best team will win it. Here's to a clean contest...
    
    J
    
33.587I,m forever blowing WELSWS::CADDThe only way is up!!!Wed Apr 22 1992 20:2032
    
    
    Jon,James,Tim et al
          Hodge and Hughes are now eligible to play in the last game as the
    league did not give them the required points for getting booked too
    many times, hence not taking them over the 21 point barrier. It would
    have affected Man U more than us i think though.
       Hodge IS fit to play, it was a tactical reason he was left out of the
    squad, Hodge declared himself fit and available to be chosen before
    last saturdays game but Wilko didn't pick him.
    
       I believe that Man U have offered some 620 tickets to Tottenham for
    the last game of the season (what's the capacity 47K 'ish). Their reason
    was that it will be the last time that Man U fans will see the
    Stretford end !!. Tottenham have complained saying that it will be Gary
    Lineker's and possible Fat boy's last game which a lot of Tottenham
    fans would like to go to.
    
        If the title goes to the last game is it fair that Tottenham will have
    virtually no voice at Old Trafford to support their team???
    
      I know that some people will say that on some occasions this season
    Leeds have been accused of being stingy with tickets but not as bad as
    this.
    
    any comments?, should the amount of tickets for away fans be regulated
    more rather than left to the discretion of the home team???
    
    
    Paul....
    
    P.S.   Come on You Hammers...
33.588SUBURB::WAITEGI speak to God but the Sky is emptyWed Apr 22 1992 20:314
    RE 587
    
    You any give 2,000 to away fans anyway.  That is why the atmosphere at
    Leeds sounds so good.
33.589Cor blimey strike a light guv !BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Apr 22 1992 20:3420
    The fact there will be 47.5 thousand dissappointed Manc fans is neither
    here nor there. The tension will be unbearable. I for one hope that
    Nice Mr Lineker scores a hat-trick in his last game and that Fatso
    doesn't make a fool of himself. 
    
    Good news about Hodge, it'll keep Wilko's options open. I won't see the
    Liverpool-Manc game or the Leeds highlights, I hope Radio 5 has
    commentary, as I'll be on the way to Carlisle on a Steam Special from
    Skipton on Sunday afternoon, out of Radio Leeds range I'm afraid.
    
    Now how does that song go ..
    
    "I'm forever blowing bubbles,
    Pretty bubbles in the air, 
    They fly so high, then touch the sky ...."
    
    I'm sure the wife bought some bubbles for when the young nephew & neice 
    come round, I'll have to look for them.
    
    jb.
33.590They don't always fii itBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Apr 22 1992 20:367
    re .588
    
    Some teams don't even bring 2,000 fans with them. Manc x2, Liverpool,
    Forest, Wednesday and the Totts are the only away teams to fill the
    entire SE away supporter's end this season.
    
    jb.
33.591SUBURB::WAITEGI speak to God but the Sky is emptyWed Apr 22 1992 20:436
    re 590
    
    I know this might not make sense but I was reading about Oldham fans
    saying they didn't like going to Leeds cos' they have so fewer tickets
    meaning its so hostile their.  They also said they got spat on all
    game.
33.592Leeds Llamsa ?BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Apr 22 1992 20:557
    Correct. It doesn't. I think it would be difficult to be spat on all
    game in the SE stand, the nearest Leeds stand is the Family Stand, 10
    yards or more away. The away end at Man Utd is directlry under home
    supporters, so spit and other things have been known to fly through the
    air.
    
    jb.
33.593SUBURB::WAITEGI speak to God but the Sky is emptyWed Apr 22 1992 21:024
     re 592
    
    They (OLDHAM) said they were spat on outside cos' for some reason they
    let both supporters out together.  
33.594Disgusting Habit.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Apr 22 1992 21:094
    A common occurence at many grounds when both sets of fans are let
    out together unfortunately.
    
    jb.
33.595Unbelievable but true !GIDDAY::PARSONSSupport SLS and see the worldThu Apr 23 1992 06:377
    
    Well that's the end of the games in hand :
    
    West Ham United 1  Manchester Utd     0
    
    Leeds are 'true' league leaders for the first time this season.
    I wonder what will happen next ?
33.596YES, YES, YESXSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverThu Apr 23 1992 13:1024
 
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33.597I can hear the moans from 32.* over hereXSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverThu Apr 23 1992 13:2124
Is it possible that Leeds can win the league all on their own. This is the
situation that I have been waiting for all season. So many people kept trying 
to tell me that MUFC were so much better *and* even though we had more points
than them it didn't matter because MUFC had zillions of games in hand. Well, you
know what you can do with your games in hand now. It is a fair and square race
to the finish. There is still a lot of football to be played but at last we are
on top with none of this games in hand rubbish. 

*The old maxim is so true a point in the bag is worth 3 games in hand*.

I notice that the odds on a Leeds league win have shortened to 30/100 and MUFC 
are out to 5/2. A good bet on MUFC for the league still. A bit :-( that I didn't 
take some of the odds after the City defeat earlier this month but I didn't have 
the neck to chance it.

Come on Leeds Leeds Leeds we can see the championship in the distance and its
getting closer with each match. It could be won on Sunday evening with Leeds
winning, United losing and Wednesday also losing or drawing Saturday. Even if 
they win and we win our goal difference of +20 will suffice even if Norwich 
happen to beat the only unbeaten team in the league by 10 goals Saturday week.

Anyone hear Leeds Leeds Leeds the remixed version? JB music critic any report!

                                James.
33.598I think we need to get things clear!XSTACY::JLUNDONJ.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds ForeverThu Apr 23 1992 15:0817
I am after reading some comments in 32.* and all they can talk about is that
neither Leeds or United deserve the title and a whole lot of other things like
Arsenal and Sheff Utd starting too late making their run. 

People, remember the championship is over 42 games and not a contest from 
Christmas onwards. That's why the two Uniteds are on top because they have won 
most games over the whole season. So what if Sheff Utd. have the best record
since Christmas. That won't win a league. It is the team that does well over 
the whole season and who has a bit of luck too that wins. Are people trying to 
devalue this years league. Just because there isn't a runaway championship 
doesn't mean that the champions this year won't be worthy the title champion. 

Chelsea in the 50's won the championship with the lowest number of points 56 ( 2
points per win ) I think. Leeds are already on 56 so it can't be the worst 
championship ever.

                                  James.
33.599Geneva WhitesRUTILE::BOYESThu Apr 23 1992 15:1161
    Marching on together...
    
    We're on the march with Wilko's army...
    
    Ooh-Ah-Cantona, I said Ooh-Ah-Cantona...
    
    United are back...
    
    etc. etc. etc.
    
    Does anyone know if the Norwich game is to be moved to the *Sunday* - I'm
    flying to Leeds for the last game and need to know now so I can book my
    ticket from Geneva.
    
    Went to the Coventry game on Monday. Newsome looked like he's growing
    in confidence which is a relief. He has Zico's speed and strength but
    lacks the attacking instinct. Strachan looked weary, with McAlister/Sid
    James making up for this - winning the ball more than he used to. Batts
    enjoyed himself, and the whole team seemed confident. Lukic played
    another rock-solid game. Inspector Gadget is always good for a few
    scares, but dominated in the air. As for big Eric - wow. When he came
    on for Wallace with about 15 minutes to go he really lifted the crowd.
    Its rare to see a player with such power, skill and real belief in
    himself. He went on one storming run from our area to theirs which sent
    us into rapture. If we need a goal to win the Championship in the last
    match at Elland road - with 10 minutes left - and Eric le Grand comes
    on the pitch the noise at Elland Rd. will be beyond belief.
    
    Regarding the Sheffield Utd. game, Howard and Harry are the best of
    friends (live next door to each other supposedly) so I wonder if they
    can work something out. Bobby-Bobby-Bobby-Dav-id-son wont be playing
    (which could have been helpful). Surely the Blades won't want to help
    the Owls either. A lot will depend on Gadget and Fairclough and luck.
    
    Who's bought a bond? I have. I was speaking to the woman in charge and
    she said they sold around 3,500 (last week). The YEP reported this as
    2,000,000 quid. She said they'll be keeping the applications open for
    "a while yet" -> which probably translates to the beggining of next
    season. The sticking point behind building the East stand is the money
    from the Football Trust, wich Arsenal and Man. U. supposedly being
    turned down for around two million each because they are too rich.
    
    If we win the League then expect building of the East stand to begin in
    May. It will take two seasons, with the bottom half of the Lowfields
    still being used while the top-tier of the stand is being built and
    then vice-versa. My season ticket in a plumb position in the new stand
    could work out at 60-90  pounds a season for 5-6 years, making the bond
    a fine deal. Other punters could well be paying 400+. Once the Kop
    becomes all seater the "Mirfield Whites" (about 10 of us) will be
    moving from there to a bank of lush seats (with bar hopefully) in the
    new stand. It's about time as we're getting too old to go "f.. mental"
    and would prefer waitress service, plush lounge, rug on knees etc.
         
    Have any of you trendy whites bought the new Leeds t-shirt in "James"
    style (LE-on front,E-on sleeve,DS-on back) - well lush.
                                                                 
    J.B. -> do you work at the Digital site next to the ground ? Could you
    mail me and tell me what Digital in Leeds actually do.
    
    On. On. On.
    Clive.
33.600SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Thu Apr 23 1992 15:1621
   <<< Note 33.598 by XSTACY::JLUNDON "J.A. Lundon 890-2417 Leeds Forever" >>>
                   -< I think we need to get things clear! >-

>I am after reading some comments in 32.* and all they can talk about is that
>neither Leeds or United deserve the title and a whole lot of other things like
>Arsenal and Sheff Utd starting too late making their run. 

>People, remember the championship is over 42 games and not a contest from 
>Christmas onwards. That's why the two Uniteds are on top because they have won 
>most games over the whole season. So what if Sheff Utd. have the best record
>since Christmas. That won't win a league. It is the team that does well over 
>the whole season and who has a bit of luck too that wins. Are people trying to 
>devalue this years league. Just because there isn't a runaway championship 
    
    'Twas me who wrote the stuff about Arsenal and Sheff Utd and I'm not a
    "they", I'm a neutral; I don't really give a stuff who wins the league.
    I wasn't suggesting that Sheff Utd would be more worthy champions,
    merely pointing out what I took to be an interesting fact. As for this
    season as a whole I've had my 2p worth in 13.234.
    
    jeff
33.601Not quite there.BAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Apr 24 1992 16:3230
    re .599
    
    The Digital site in Lowfields way is logistics, this will be moving
    soon. I work at the Horsforth Office, I'm part of
    SWAS/EIS/Services/Northern Technlogy Consultancy Centre or whatever
    it's called this week, I am a Database / Information Management person.
    The Digital Office at Horsforth is primarily a Sales and Support office
    for the area, there are around 200 people based in Leeds.
    
    re Mancs latest loss :-
    
    Yes, I was very happy with the result, it puts Leeds in the driving
    seat, they can control their destiny by winning 2 games. If Leeds win
    on Sunday (12 noon) and the Mancs don't, then Leeds are more or less
    sure of the championship. Sheff Utd will be a hard nut to crack, but I
    expect the Scousers to finally nail the OT coffin lid shut, leading to
    a big clear out and blood let.
    
    'Get out there and win and to hell with the opposition - it's up to you
    now'
    
    re Leeds Music :-
    
    T' wife is getting the 12' version for me this lunchtime.
    
    The Norwich game will be on Sat 2 May, but it may not kick off at 3pm,
    if the Championship is not decided, 5pm along with the manc hgame has
    been suggested.
    
    jb.
33.602Ahem.FORTY2::ETHERIDGEWhat a sandwichFri Apr 24 1992 17:1610
    <<< Note 33.601 by BAHTAT::BLYTHE "Ee bah gum th's trouble at t'mill" >>>
                             -< Not quite there. >-
    
    >> re Leeds Music :-
    >>
    >> T' wife is getting the 12' version for me this lunchtime.
    
    Not another format. Not very compact either, eh?
    
    Ian.
33.603' was meant to be a " - keyboards' faultBAHTAT::BLYTHEEe bah gum th's trouble at t'millFri Apr 24 1992 19:481
    
33.604The English Celtic fail again!!KIRKTN::ISUTHERLANDSee Milky Milky!He's your dad.Sun Apr 26 1992 22:303
    
    Congratulations to Leeds on winning the title.It's been a long time
    coming.(But not as long as some we could mention,eh).
33.605Ian Rush breaks his duckKERNEL::HAWLEYICardinal Thang, read the chargesSun Apr 26 1992 23:156
    
    Congratulations to Leeds United.
    I'm glad that we could be of some help to you!
    
    Ian.
    
33.606-< Mark Walters adds a 2nd >'Mark Walters adds a 2nd'PEKING::RUSSELLNSun Apr 26 1992 23:426
    Well done Leeds on winning the league.
    I'm glad that Man Utd never won it !!
    
    N.
    
    
33.607GALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Sun Apr 26 1992 23:448
    
    Sheff Utd 2 Leeds 3
    
    Liverpool 2 Man U 0
    
    Leeds take the title.  
    
    Gary.
33.608Howard Wilkinson walks on waterGIDDAY::PARSONSLeeds United. Champions 91-92Mon Apr 27 1992 04:4923
    
    YYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!   :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
    
    Well what can I say. I can hardly believe it. 7 days ago we were 2
    points behind and Man Utd had a game in hand. A week is a long time 
    in politics and even longer in football.
    
    18 years ago Leeds won the title by what happened at Anfield when
    Leeds weren't playing, and Liverpool met a North-Eastern club in
    the Cup Final as well.
    
    I'm glad the title was won with an away win because I think it's Leeds'
    away games (QPR & Man City excepted) where they have produced their
    best performances; especially the Sheff Wed game but not forgetting
    the Villa game and the League Cup game against Everton. They also
    managed 4 away to Notts County and 3 against Spurs, West Ham and Sheff
    Wed and remained unbeaten at Anfield, Highbury and Old Trafford. 
    
    I can't wait to watch the highlights of the last weeks football on
    TV here tonight  :-)
    
    One_very_happy_Leeds_fan
    
33.609Starting pricesESSB::SONEILLMon Apr 27 1992 12:057
    What can I say but now that Leeds are Champions I will call in to
    Corals at lunch time and collect a small wager made at 10-1 last
    August.  For the record, at the start of the season Liverpool were
    13/8, Arsenal 15/8, Man UNited 8/1 and Sheffield Wed 66/1 (nice
    each way bet!.)
    
    Shane
33.610UTRUST::CAMPBELLReal ponies don't go oink!Mon Apr 27 1992 12:174
    Congrats to the Leeds team and supporters.  Now go out there and give
    'em hell in Europe next year!
    
    Stevo
33.611Leeds are ChampionsESSB::BLONGThe Scousers Trophy Cabinet is EmptyMon Apr 27 1992 12:415
33.612Well done....MACNAS::JMURPHYIt's a Funny Old Game...Mon Apr 27 1992 12:5213
    
    Well done ..... Leeds
    
    Congrats on winning the Big ONE.......
    
    I'm sure there was one hell of a patry in Leeds last night.....
    
    You stuck it out right to the end.....
    Goes to prove in a two horse race anything can happen....
    
    Fair play to ye boys.....
    
    jm
33.613I remember '74 but not '67!!!!MACNAS::MJGREANEYWhat's another year?Mon Apr 27 1992 13:0210
    Congrats to Leeds......brilliant!!!!!!!!
    
    Great to see 3 ex Forest guys get their rewards!!!
    Its the second year running that Forest have decided who wins the
    Championship!!
    
    
    Well done!!!!
    
    M.J.
33.614Liverpool supporter demands share of winnings!KERNEL::HAWLEYICardinal Thang, read the chargesMon Apr 27 1992 13:026
    re.609
    
    Shane, 
    arent you gonna tell us how much you put on?!?
    ;-)
    Ian.
33.615YUPPY::PANESA star-spangled spaniel in the worksMon Apr 27 1992 13:105
  

	 Well done chaps.

	 Stuart
33.616CONGRATSSUBURB::WAITEGI speak to God but the Sky is emptyMon Apr 27 1992 13:133
    Leeds deserved it...
    
    So well done to them from Millwall.
33.617CongratsOPG::TONYMon Apr 27 1992 13:406
Its been a really disastrous Easter for us, but I'd like to say 
Well done to LEEDS and also to John Blythe for flying their flag in here,
more or less single handedly.......


Tony
33.618HAM::SCHARNBERGThis reply is being recordedMon Apr 27 1992 13:438
    
    Congrats, Leeds Lads.
    
    You won't pass Frankfurt in the EC, though :-)
    ( If they make it )
    
    Heiko
     
33.619Congrats and good luck in the Euro CupSIOG::SPENCERPeter Spencer @DBO 827-2286Mon Apr 27 1992 14:038
    You can kiss it, polish it, hug it, even spit on it and buff it up a
    bit, but please please don't put any of that Tetley's muck in it! That
    would curdle our lads' Champagne next season when it returns home for
    its bi-annual visit.
    
    Anyway, heartiest congratulations to LEEDSLEEDSLEEDS! The best team
    always wins the Championship over the xx matches but poor teams often
    win the Cups.
33.620It went to the best team......(unfortunately)PEKING::DAVIESGE=Mc2..Einstein Was Right!Mon Apr 27 1992 14:284
    
    Yeah. well done.
    
    Greg...
33.621cheers, chapsDBOT14::RUSSELLMon Apr 27 1992 14:4010
    well done ....you kept your cool when others couldnt. Now lets hope you
    have a more fruitful (and peaceful) European Cup FInal than back in
    74/75....
    
    I always thought you were robbed in that Final....who was it against?
    cant remember, long time ago.
    
    enjoy.
    
    *Tiger*
33.622Well done.MIACT::MASONMon Apr 27 1992 14:4710
    Congratulations on winning the title, as Brian says, we'll just have to
    wait that little bit longer and work that little bit harder.
    
    It's good to see another quality side in Europe.
    
    
    
    
    J. A gutted UNITED fan.
    
33.623Flat Caps and Hob-nailed bootsMINDER::MACDONALDIMUFC ECWC ChampionsMon Apr 27 1992 15:3112
    Well done Leeds.
    
    Gutted as I am, I am happy in the knowledge that a NORTHERN team has
    again showed that the teams 'up norf' have what it takes. Look at the
    top half of the league and see where the majority of the teams are
    from:)
    
    Roll on next season, and European competitions here we come so watch
    out world !!!!
    
    mac
    PS when do the Euro Championships start this summer?? 
33.624Bring out those skeletons ...ANNECY::ROWLAND_Aa slip of the tongueMon Apr 27 1992 16:075
    
    Bayern Munich wasn't it ? Didn't Peter Lorimer have a perfectly good
    goal disallowed ?
    
    Adam.
33.625Match report part(y) one!!! WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Mon Apr 27 1992 16:1075
    
    
    
    The Final in question was the one againt Bayerm Munich in 1975 in
    Paris.
    
      Match report (unbiased of course!!).
    
    
    
    Got to the ground a little late yesterday due to traffic problems
    approaching Sheffield, missed the first couple of mins but not a lot
    happened.
      Well as has been said Sheffield have much improved in the last 4-5
    months and i would agree with that.
       Brian Deane i felt caused us a lot of problems when running on to
    throughs ball from deep. He was finding a lot of space and it wasn't
    until later in the game that Newsome marked him a lot closer.
      Sheffield had the wind slightly in their favour in the first half 
    playing to the Spion kop and they made it count on 26 mins when Alan
    Cork picked up on a poor Leeds clearance and scrambled the ball past
    Lukic. 
       It was starting to look like one of those days when we didn't look
    like scoring (and feeling more depressed through Sheffield singing 
     you're going to win f*** all to the tune of we're going to win the
    league).Tension was released when Strachan in his inimitable self took
    a fast free kick to Wallace who's attempt was cleared by Gayle, but only to
    Speed who shot across goal, the ball ricochet of Wallace and went into
    the net. Rees Sheffields' goalkeeper was heavily strapped around the
    right thigh as he came out for the second half and it was obvious that
    he was going to be a handicap for the second half. Leeds hit the post
    within a minute of the second half starting,the second goal came on
    64 minutes when a free kick down the left from a foul on Nora gave 
    McAllister the chance to curl in a free kick out of reach of the
    injured Rees to the far post for Newsome to get down and head in.
    
        Sheffield came straight back with goal within 3 mins. constant
    pressure and poor clearances of low balls into the box brought a
    mistake from Chapman who tried to clear the ball for a corner but miss
    hit it and stuck it in at Lukic's near post 2-2.
      Leeds then began to apply pressure to the injured Rees, raining
    crosses in that he could not possibly reach, he was having to virtually
    hop across his area to pick up back passes. Shutt who came on at half
    time for Strachan played some well controlled football down the right
    wing when fed the ball. McAllister was subbed about 15 mins from time 
    he had a quiet game, not his usual industrious self.On came Cantona,
    again another team that don't know how to handle the Frenchman. I have
    seen a lot of players take a standoff attitude when he gets the ball
    almost as if they are afraid to tackle?. The third goal came 2-3 mins
    after Cantona's arrival (inspiration or what!). Cantona lobbed the ball
    forward and chased alongside Gayles left, on his right was Wallace
    shadowing.The ball initially hit Gayle's thigh and rose to head height,
    he chose to head back to Rees, who had he been fit would have caught
    the ball but he couldn't jump and the ball seemed to take forever to
    reach the net almost blown in by Leeds fans at the other end.
      Then came the Sheffield onslaught, pushing up to the half way line
    getting offside for our goal kicks. Bassett was off the bench
    coaching,urging his players forward . Never have i seen a team come
    back at you so strong with such commitment. we weathered the storm
    eventually and as you know the rest is history.  Leeds fans spilled out
    of the ground chanting  their songs but apprehensive for the Man U
    result.
    
        We were just approaching Leicester when Liverpool scored and the
    convoy of Leeds cars heading southbound flashed thier lights and
    honked their horns what a sight. By 5.00 it was all over, Leeds
    proclaimed champions, hard luck to Man U who have played some attractive
    and exiting football this season but fell at the final hurdle.
    
    
    All i can say is John Carney where's my Tenner???
    
    
    Paul.....
    
33.626Why so subdued?SIOG::SPENCERPeter Spencer @DBO 827-2286Mon Apr 27 1992 17:257
    Did anyone else see the interview from Lee Chapman's home at the end of
    the Liverpool match? Messrs Chapman, Cantona, Batty and McAllister were
    seated on L.C.'s couch looking more like they had just lost the title. 
    I was amazed at their lack of emotion, particularly David Batty as he has
    been a Leeds fan since he was a lad. The only explanation I can think
    of is that they had been on so many valium over the last few weeks that
    the effect hadn't worn off yet.
33.627At home with Lee..tackeeee..MIACT::MASONMon Apr 27 1992 17:4211
    re. 626
    
    Possibly out of respect for UNITED??? Extreme jubilation would have
    been a little like rubbing salt into the wound. Even Howard Wilkinson
    was very restrained. If so, then I take my hat off to them.
    
    Otherwise, it probably hadn't really sunk in and after all of the
    tension which they would have been under for most of the day, they were
    probably too relieved and too kna*****d!
    
    J
33.628SUBURB::WAITEGI speak to God but the Sky is emptyMon Apr 27 1992 17:452
    I thought it was funny when Liverpool scored the second goal and they
    went to Lee's house.  Where was his wife Lesley Ash
33.629Howard's boozy Sunday lunch!!YUPPY::STRAGEDToto...this sure ain't Kansas!!Mon Apr 27 1992 17:5918
    I'll add my congrats to the new (but temporary) League Champions!!
    
     (because it's coming back to Highbury next season!!)
    
    Looks after it!!!
    
    PJ
    
    P.S.  Winning a championship while sitting on your living room couch
    probably doesn't feel quite as good as doing it on the field.  Although
    it probably wasn't too depressing either!!
    
    P.P.S.  Did anyone think, as I did, that Howard Wilkinson was a stewed
    as a newt during the post game interview on ITV??  He had come on the
    phone after a long Sunday lunch and Elton Welsby cut him off when he
    wasn't making any sense at all.  Even Dennis Law - no stranger to drink
    himself - was laughing!!
    long Sunday lunch
33.630SUBURB::ABSOLOMTWalk Proud Alex FergusonMon Apr 27 1992 18:118
    
    Well done Leeds. My father, who is a life long Leeds fan, returns from
    a two week holiday (missed all the fun!) in Malta this week. My life
    is gonna be pure HELL!!
    
    Rather Leeds than Looneypool.
    
    Tony
33.631Leeds deserve their success. Well done.TRUCKS::SANTI owe,I owe,so off to work I goMon Apr 27 1992 19:0312
    
    	Congratulations to Leeds, and all you staunch Leeds fans, 
    	especially to jb, who has admirably kept the Leeds flag flying 
    	even through the dark days of adversity when things got tough.
    
    	Well done Howard Wilkinson, who has done a superb job. I hope
    	we can relieve you of the mantle next season, but enjoy it for
    	12 months at least 8-)
    
    	Good luck in Europe - and be careful out there....
    
    	Andy.
33.632I didn't know Leslie Ash played for Leeds...YUPPY::SEABURYSWe're going to Wembley, you're not...Mon Apr 27 1992 19:4711
    
    Congrats to Leeds...
    
    The best team, over the whole season, won it in the end, and I'm only
    glad you managed to silence that mob from Manchester (for a while at
    least!! 8-) )
    
    All you have to do now is win the Champion's Cup next season...
    
    Stew.
    
33.633Let the stats do the talking!XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-2417 Leeds ChampionsMon Apr 27 1992 20:33131
33.634Success at last!!!REPAIR::JAMANITue Apr 28 1992 15:0515
    
    
    I still can't believe that Leeds have won the Championship!!
    
    Ever since I was a nipper I have been waiting for this momentus day. 
    No words can express how happy I feel at this present moment.
    
    HW has been a messiah (sp?).  He has brought success to Leeds United
    after 17 LONG years in the wilderness.
    
    I only hope that HW can strengthen the squad so that we can continue to
    win all the major trophies.
    
    S
    
33.635A piece of useless info...MIACT::MASONTue Apr 28 1992 15:584
    Does anyone know that Tony Dorigo's mum works in the Birmingham office?
    
    Useless, but true.
    
33.636Has Wilko really got a Science degree?ARRODS::OHAGANBCheap essential dialogueTue Apr 28 1992 16:405
    Really? In that case I've spoken to Tony Dorigo's mum on one occasion.
    
    True, but useless. 
    
                 
33.637A cryptic crossword for all those solvers out there?XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-2417 Leeds ChampionsTue Apr 28 1992 20:2318
I got a friend of mine who is a whizz at cryptic crosswords last week to 
develop a clue with the answer "Leeds for the league" that I would put in this 
week sometime. However, events overtook and it meant that the clue would be
out of date but good old GL came through with an even better one as follows.
I think it is styled on CROSAIRE ( Irish Times ) but the conventions are the 
same the world over.


CLUE :-

Lee Chapman is so red about the consequence of Sunday's games? (5,3,9)


----- --- ---------

Answers to this conference! That's if there are any!

                           James.
33.638What are Leeds?SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Tue Apr 28 1992 20:306
    
    Couldn't be an anagram by any chance, could it? 
    
    I won't post the answer in case someone's still trying to work it out.
    
    jeff
33.639FORTY2::ETHERIDGEWhat a sandwichTue Apr 28 1992 20:483
	Very clever.

	Ian.
33.640I think I got itXSTACY::JSHEEHYTue Apr 28 1992 21:066
'Leeds - Main Poachers' 

Is that it James

js 
33.641It Fits!!!ESOA12::PILATONTue Apr 28 1992 23:296
    
    'Leeds - PAY Liverpool' 
    
    Most likely ha!
    
    NP
33.642got itXSTACY::PATTISONTree!Wed Apr 29 1992 14:182
	Easy, but clever.
33.643Only joking - or am I?SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Wed Apr 29 1992 14:336
    
    Mind you, it could be a prediction for next season:
    
    Leeds get relegated.
    
    jeff
33.644Top of the tree, Leeds United (Burnley too !)BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United AFC, League Champions 1991-92Wed Apr 29 1992 14:5284
    It has already been reported thet Leeds United are Champions. I haven't
    looked in 32.* yet, but no doubt there is 'banter'. The Mancs blew up,
    Leeds didn't and they have deserved their championship. I haven't
    celebrated yet, having been struck down with a bug since Sunday (hence
    no replies till today and I'm in Leeds and not Reading). To say people
    in Leeds are happy is an understatement !
    
    The Trophy will be presented to Strachan before the Norwich game
    (anybody care for a few glasses of pop before the game Paul ?), in
    front of a sell out crowd, there is a civic reception in Leeds on
    Sunday morning.
    
    Never mind the game reports, this is how I spent Sunday :-
    
    Got to a windswept and cold Skipton Station at 10:40 and saw my train
    for the day was stood in the down goods loop hauled by Stanier 8F 2-8-0
    No 48151. Took some piccies and then got on the train, consisting of
    families having a day out and gricers in their flares, anoraks (with
    zip up acrylic fur hoods) and me, kitted out in a Leeds United top. As
    it happens, the loco is based at Steamtown (Carnforth) and most of the
    support crew had Manc leanings. The Driver was a Skipton man, and a
    Leeds supporter to boot.
    
    The train left on time at 11.15, and made steady progress to
    Hellifield, where we were held up for 10 mins to allow a late running
    Manchester Carlisle Charter with 47827 on the front to pass. The hgame
    then kicked off as we were passing Long Preston. A stop was made in my
    hometown of Settle, where several people got on, a couple of which I
    knew - Leeds Fans. The 8F forged steadily up the Long Drag, whwn
    passing Stainforth, the bad news came - 1-0 to the Blades. Reception on
    R5 was now getting dodgy - we were in the High Pennines, in cuttings
    and tunnels, so the radio was being moved around to get the best
    reception. Over Ribblehead Viaduct and under Blea Moor we went, still
    1-0. Dent was passed, and Rise Hill tunnel negotiated, then on to
    Garsdale, half time and a water stop. 1-1 came the latest score,
    Wallace getting it. I went up to the engine 'It's 1-1'. The train was
    now 20 minutes late, it set off North again, up the last 5 miles to the
    summit at Ais Gill, passing Lunds, Newsome made it 2-1, but just after
    the Summit, near the site of the 1913 crash, the Blades equalised.
    Reception now was poor, and I almost missed the winner, scored as we
    rattled through Kirkby Stephen. The last few minutes were worrying, but
    the final whistle came just before Appleby. We were supposed to stop at
    Appleby for 1/2 hour (just enough time for a pint in the Midland) but
    as we were running late this stop was cancelled. Carlisle was reached,
    and I saw the Driver and told him the score. The station announcer was
    drowned out by the steamboat hooter on the 8F being blown a few times.
    The support crew looked grimy and not too happy.
    
    The return journey was due to start at 5|15, just after the Manc game
    had finished. I listened to the commentary on R5, 1-0 to the Pool -
    this is looking good. Trains came and went, the rain came down and it
    was cold as only Carlisle can be (it was also closed). The 2nd goal
    came, there was a shout from a Leeds United Top Clad person, the Driver
    got to know, and the train departed with it's whistle playing a tattoo.
    I celebrated with a cuppa tea.
    
    The weather on the return was sunny / wet / hailing / light snow /
    windy / some low cloud (ie normal S & C), and we arrived back in
    Skipton at 8|2, 10 late.
    
    I drove back to Leeds, there were parties going on in the pubs and in
    City Square, so I packed my bags ready for a 5.0 start for Reading, but
    the excitement / dodgy pizza / bug got me before then ... (continued in
    Notesfile stmach::bugs).
    
    The championship bug will hit home on Saturday, when there will be a
    noisy full house at Elland Rd, and the open top bus gets dusted down
    for Sunday's trip.
    
    Europe next, can Wilko do what Don Revie didn't ?
    
    The money is flowing in, > 3 million from seasons, > 3 million from the
    Bond Schemer, 4 million from European Cup TV fees, gate takings,
    Advertising, 5 million over 7 years from Admiral the kit sponsors, more
    from shirt sponsors etc etc. 
    
    The work on the new East stand starts in 2 weeks. Wilko will also have
    money for new players, Brian Deane is likely to be an early target.
    Cantona will also become a Leeds United player officially this week,
    whwn his personal terms will be finalised.
    
    More later !
    
    jb.
33.645Surely not!TRUCKS::SANTI owe,I owe,so off to work I goWed Apr 29 1992 15:0211
    
    	After the way Brian Deane missed chance after chance on Sunday I
    	would have thought he had buried any hope of Howard Wilkinson
    	moving in for him......

    	...although, maybe that was the deal, and Brian will sign in the
    	summer ;-)
    
    	Only kidding, guys....maybe he's always a donkey 8-)
    
    	Andy.
33.646Off to South EffricaBAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United AFC, League Champions 1991-92Wed Apr 29 1992 17:484
    Leeds are going to South Effrica in July for a pre-season tour (if
    South Effrica are allowed back into FIFA which is expected).
    
    jb.
33.647Are you receiving us in Islington ?BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United AFC, League Champions 1991-92Wed Apr 29 1992 17:503
    When do we get the Champions flag ?
    
    jb.
33.648We want them back!SIOG::SPENCERPeter Spencer @DBO 827-2286Wed Apr 29 1992 18:253
    Providing no pitch invasions or on/off field punch-ups deprive Leeds of
    points, you should be given your loan of our cup and flag straight after 
    Saturday's match. Mind you keep them clean!
33.649New one to play forBAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United AFC, League Champions 1991-92Wed Apr 29 1992 18:397
    They won't be coming back (see Manc note)
    
    There won't be any punch ups, there might be some punters on the pitch
    at the end, but all in a good humour. I'll probably be 'unfit to
    drive'.
    
    jb.
33.650The answer was LEEDS ARE CHAMPIONS! Apt I think?XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-2417 Leeds ChampionsWed Apr 29 1992 20:4913
I think I gave the answer away but then Leeds winning the league was easier 
than we even thought.

The answer was made up of an anagram of LEE CHAPMAN IS SO RED. Apt since I
think that Lee was a bit red in the face after 15 whiskeys on Sunday night.

Re::33.646 
Leeds are coming over to Ireland in August for a few games against Cork City 
to help open their new stadium and as always Shelbourne. Wouldn't it be great 
to have Shels in the Euro cup! Might even get to see them home and away?


                             James.
33.651David Batty agony Aunt column Via Tim Kennedy!XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-2417 Leeds ChampionsWed Apr 29 1992 21:0252
Hey readers,  its time for the periodic visit of Leeds United's own
footballing combine harvester David Batty,  for his agony column.
(Very apt David).  He has a letter from a reader from north of the
border.

  Dear Batty,

   As a Rangers fan I used to enjoy attending old firm derby games against
our rivals Celtic, I stopped going due to the problem I am about to describe.
If you could suggest a solution to my problem then I will once again be
able to travel to matches and watch Rangers 9 men score an equaliser against
Celtics twelve tinkers (that includes the referee) at Parkhead.

  To get to Glasgow I travelled by train from Edinburgh, this would stop
at various places en route, Falkirk being one that springs to mind.  Now
at each stop a large number of well groomed, handsome, polite young men
would step onto the train - these were easily recognisable as Rangers fans
(or yourself David ! By the way I think your England performances have been
first class, could you possibly send me an autographed shin pad ?  Preferably
one of your opponent's), I digress, amongst these shining examples of manhood
were a bunch of dishevelled, fare dodging, malnourished paupers who due
to their propensity for unwashed green and white hooped shirts could be
nothing other than beggars.  I pay a lot of money to travel by train and I
do not want my journey to be marred by smelly neds who not only have the nerve
to travel without tickets but who also sit next to me on occasions, let me
tell you David I was almost gassed the last time one particularly dim specimen
decided to soil the seat covers beside me.

  Kindly sort this situation out.  I remain Sir your faithful and obedient
servant, Billy.

  P.S. To think I missed the 5-1 and 4-1 victories due to the memory of those
odours.

David Says,

What's wrong wi' yer, yer greet big jessie.  Call yerself a Scotsman?
Big Gordon Strachan wouldn't blanch at a few bad smells and the odd
personal hygiene problem.  Count yourself lucky Rangers don't have to
play agin the Red Filth like Leeds do,  an' 'ave thousands o' raggy
arsed flared-trouser wearin' drug dealers teemin' round yer ground
into t' bargain.  Anyhow I'd rather play against Celtic three times
in a week than have ter risk treading on Ryan Giggs' discarded 
contaminated needles lyin' round t' pitch.
You 'aven't lived pal.  Pull yerself together and gerrup to Parkhead
when the next Old Firm game comes up.  By the way, Mel Sterland says
send his regards to yer sister and maintenance is in t' post.
I'm sendin' yer a signed blood-covered sock o' Peter Beardsley's 
but I'm sick o' signing stuff, anyone else who asks 'll get 
smack in't mouth.

		Batts
33.656FROM YORKSHIRE? Hit KP7XSTACY::PATTISONTree!Wed Apr 29 1992 21:348
    Somebody suggested to me today (and why not) that Manchester United
    could yet win the league, if Leeds have points deducted for say, 
    fielding an ineligible player or something.

    well, its a funny old game.

    Dave
33.653coming to Dublin?SIOG::SPENCERPeter Spencer @DBO 827-2286Wed Apr 29 1992 22:007
    re .650
    
    If any Leeds fans out there come to Dublin for a match, look us up.
    There's a bunch (4) of non-attending, non-noting armchair-bound Leeds fans
    in this office. As the man said, if Leeds were playing in their back
    garden they'd probably draw the curtains, but some of the rest of us would 
    go along.
33.654At the end of a perfect seasonESSB::SONEILLWed Apr 29 1992 23:3112
    JB,
    
    Thanks for ploughing an almost lone furrow against the Red Hoardes.
    Continue to Keep us informed of developments at the home of the champions.
    Have a few pints for me on Saturday as well.  I offered the United fans
    here a comiseratory pint but it appears that fear of choking is
    contagious as I was refused.  
    
    Any news in Leeds of who the lolly might be spent on next season?
    Roy Keane would be a nice long term replacement for Gordon Strachan!  
    
    Shane
33.655Leeds Lose !BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United AFC, League Champions 1991-92Thu Apr 30 1992 13:586
    Leeds United lost 2.4 million last year, due to 'activity in the
    transfer market'. They did show a healthy trading profit though. Wilko
    has spent 10 million on players, but has recouped about 6, so he hasn't
    done bad really.
    
    jb.
33.657Howard on TVMACNAS::JMURPHYIt's a Funny Old Game...Thu Apr 30 1992 20:3323
    
    I thought Howard Wilkinson's comments on Sportnightlast night
    were very good....
    He knew Man Utd would end up with a congested fixture list
    in the last few weeks of the season , because they were involved
    in Cup Competitions...he reckoned it would take its toll on the
    Mancs and wasn't he right....The Mancs has to play 4 games in 6
    days and that was one of the reasons the Mancs lost out....
    
    For the Rumblelows Cup Final...Forest hadn't a chance...they
    has played something like 6 games in 10 days before the Wembley
    Final...they had to have been totally exhausted for the Final...
    If Forest had been fresh they probably would have beaten the
    Mancs an Wembley, just like they did the double in the League...
    That would have meant no Trophy for Man Utd......that wouldn't
    have gone down too well at Old Trafford..
    
    It will be interesting to see if any new faces arrive at Elland Rd..
    If Dean Saunders arrives as forecast...that should make Leeds an
    even better team.....
    
    jm

33.658Wilko's the manBAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Thu Apr 30 1992 20:5638
    HW did come across well last night - he speaks a lot of sense and
    doesn't get carried away (unlike some managers, that wear a Red and
    Black Adidas Anorak). The mancs did run into a fixture pile up - the
    thing Leeds had to do was carry on, trying to average 2 points a game
    (they will miss this by 2 points, 82 as opposed to 84) - 2 points a
    game puts you 'there or thereabouts' by the end of the season.
    
    The Sky Footballers' Football Show had Bremner, Giles and Hunter
    discussing the merits of the present set up vs theirs, and drawing
    parallels. They were a little surprised thet Leeds had done it, but
    then the currenrt day Leeds had some base to build on - a reasonable
    (in hock) stadium and a good support (read revenue), a Chairman with
    money and a willingness to spend also helped. When it came to discuss
    the post-Revie days, the stewardships of Mesrs Clarke, Gray and Bremner
    were glossed over, to save embarrasment, but they were dark days - if
    Bremner had taken Leeds to Div 1 in 85-86, then they would have
    struggled - the board waited for the right man (Wilko) to lead leedfs
    out of the doldrums.
    
    The present side have done reeally well, the basis of a side to stay
    where they are is almost there, but there will be signings made to
    bolster the squad. Strachan has another season or two or three left, but
    he won't play every game. The defence needs beefing up, a Sterland
    replacement and a Whyte / Fairclough standby. I expect 2 or 3 signings
    in the Summer. European Cup ? I'm sure Leeds will make it to the 2
    mini-leagues if the draw is kind to them. Could they win it ? Why not -
    it's worth having a go at, but they will probably be defeated by the
    number of fixtures in the League - 22 teams is too many in the Premier
    League, 18 is a better number.
    
    Next season will see 42 League games, up to 11 EC games, up to 7 R Cup
    Games, up to 5 FA Cup games..............
    
    The league Schedule will be decided by TV, so there will be Saturdays,
    Sundays and worst of all Monday Nights.
    
    jb.
    
33.659Cup QuestionsBAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Thu Apr 30 1992 21:0113
    An afterthought :-
    
    When is the Charity Shield to be played ?
    
    It is possible Leeds United will play Liverpool twice before the start
    of the season, once in the CS and once in a friendly (at Elland Road)
    for Jim Beglin's testimonial.
    
    Will there be a Rumbelow's Cup including Premier Division sides next
    season, 'cause it's really the League Cup and the Premier Division
    isn't in the League.
    
    jb.
33.660Yehh....okOPG::TONYThu Apr 30 1992 21:0120
			   <<33.657>>
		<<MACNAS::JMURPHY "It's a Funny Old Game...">>
 			<<Howard on TV>>

>    For the Rumblelows Cup Final...Forest hadn't a chance...they
>    has played something like 6 games in 10 days before the Wembley
>    Final...they had to have been totally exhausted for the Final...
>    If Forest had been fresh they probably would have beaten the
>    Mancs an Wembley, just like they did the double in the League...
>    That would have meant no Trophy for Man Utd......that wouldn't
>    have gone down too well at Old Trafford..
 

If a football was square...If he was offside..If there weren't any goalposts..

Sure that wouldn't have gone down too well at OT...

I suppose you know from experience..!!!   

Tony
33.661He knew whan he was beat.BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Thu Apr 30 1992 21:107
    On the subject our friend the Anorak man :-
    
    He said after the R Cup final he would swap the R Cup for 3 points vs
    Forest on Easter Monday, 'cause he knew his team would be jaded and
    easy prey for Forest - he was right.
    
    jb.
33.662Got the photos back from the Chelsea game :-)XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-2417 Leeds ChampionsFri May 01 1992 02:1916
I got the photos back from the game with Chelsea. they all came out well 
including JB's ugly mug ;-). The best picture would have been me and Banana
but unfortunately it was taken at Strachans level thus meaning the half my
head is missing. 

I also got conclusive proof that our second goal was offside. The offending 
player was McAllister. How about that Man U fans. Another reason why Leeds 
won the League. The ref/linesman went with us for once.

Re:: 32.something note about fixture congestion.
Leeds would have had at least 2 doubles in the early 70's only for a disasterous
pileup of fixtures. So no more wheeling out excuses like the F.A or the number
of fixtures beat us. We won it when it mattered, we had the bottle when it 
counted. Man U folded plain and simple!

                            James.
33.663Lady LuckMACNAS::JMURPHYIt's a Funny Old Game...Fri May 01 1992 12:5517
    
    I reckon Lady Luck has smiled on Leeds this season , you
    will never win anything if you haven't some kind of luck...
    
    The Leeds team from the Don Revie era....
    
    won 2 Championships and were runners up 5 times....
    
    Based on the quality of that team they should have
    
    won 5 Championships and 2 runners up prizes....
    
    but it wasn't to be.......
    
    If Leeds has any luck this season , it was a long time coming...
    
    jm
33.664Almost the End.BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Fri May 01 1992 13:2423
33.665REPAIR::JAMANILeeds United Champions 91-92Fri May 01 1992 17:1312
    
    
    JB
    
    
    Who do you reckon will be voted as Player Of The Year.  
    
    Do you reckon it will be Strachan this year?
    
    
    S
     
33.666Strach - just.BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Fri May 01 1992 17:256
    The whole team has played well, it's been a team effort. I'd give the
    award to Strachan, with Batty/Dorigo/Lukic close behind.
    
    Eric the Gaul would get the most exciting player award.
    
    jb.
33.667Bite yer legs Norman!!!!!WELSWS::CADDThe only way is up!!!Fri May 01 1992 20:1112
    
    
    Jon,
        I know that Norwich had planned a news conference for this morning,
     have they actually sacked Dave Stringer ??.
        
        That would be a slight downer on us tommorrow to play a team that
    has just sacked their manager..they could have waited, inconsiderate 
    B@s%!*$s  !!!!!!.  (only joking ..) see you in the pub at 11.30 am
    tomorow .
    
       Paul....
33.668How many Francs???WELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Fri May 01 1992 20:168
    
    
    
    BTW
       Jon how much did Cantona actually sign for in the end ???
    
     Paul..
    
33.669900kBAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Fri May 01 1992 20:319
33.670Stuck for Summat to do ?BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Fri May 01 1992 20:368
    Now the end is here, what are we all to do 'till the beginning of
    August ? (Apart from getting digital out of its current state !)
    There's the Euro Championship from Sweden, wondering who will sign for
    whom and for how much, and Cricket. There will also be the small matter
    of post-championship party 'oh dear my head hurts' hangovers, which
    won't be a problem at Old Trafford on Sea will it?
    
    jb.
33.671Weekend ReportBAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Tue May 05 1992 15:0252
    Another meeting of the SC was held in the Imperial on Saturday. It was 
    packed, everybody was singing, and even cheering Jimmy Greaves on the 
    box - wearing a gaudy Champions T-Shirt. Manchester was asked if was 
    watching / listening several times (this was a common occurrence 
    throughout the weekend). Very raucous, great fun.
    
    Elland Road was full by 2:10, I got there just as the teams were 
    coming out for the presentation - what an atmosphere !
    
    The game itself was an anti-climax, there was no pressure other than to 
    win, and keep the unbeaten at home in the League record intact. Wallace 
    scored the winner on 25 - a run from the 1/2 way line, at and through 
    the Norwich defence, ending up in a Championship-style goal. Norwich 
    made a couple of efforts, stopped ably by Lukic - but the party was in 
    full swing.
    
    The party carried on till the early hours in Leeds City Centre, the 
    place where my wife and self go was closed - not due to rowdiness, but 
    the Management felt that their regular customers would be put out by 
    the crush of people. The city centre was heaving, so we made do with a 
    trip to Bryans' in Headingley, where most of the Yorkshire Cricket Team 
    were, the other half were in the Three Horseshoes next door, whilst the 
    New Inn was spilling out onto Otley Road, the heaving mass 'singing' 
    Marching Altogether at the wrong speed and totally out of tune. The 
    directors of Tetleys, John Smith, Whitbread, Sam Smith, Sam Webster and 
    Timothy Taylor must have been dreaming of riches. I had already paid my 
    dues to Arthur Guinness at lunchtime.
    
    Sunday dawned bright and sunny, the victory parade was due to start 
    from Elland Road at 10.30, which it did. Fans lined the whole route, 
    many deep, and used traffic lights, trees and anything to get a better 
    view. 50,000 were outside the Town Hall and Art Galley, another 100,000 
    were en route. The whole of Leeds centre stopped. There were a few 
    faints but no trouble whatsoever - Leeds United fans now know how to 
    behave themselves (apart from 100 or so from the West Stand on Saturday 
    - they came onto the pitch and were roundly booed by the rest of the 
    crowd, they eventually were removed).
    
    The Civic Dignitaries did their thing, and the biggest cheer was for 
    the new Elland Road 'darling' - Eric Cantona, who said he loved 
    everybody and was very, very happy. The assembled throng then asked if 
    anybody in Manchester was watching.
    
    Strachan announced he was retiring from International Football - his 
    back needs complete rest for a few months if he's going to last another 
    season. My view is that he will play most of next season's matches, but 
    not all 90 minutes. Other ins and outs may be Brian Deane and Lee Dixon 
    in , and Lee Chapman to Sheffield United.
    
    jb.
    
    
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    Goalscorers,
    
                League	F.A. 	R. cup	Z.D.S.		Tot
    
    Chapman	16		4                       20
    Wallace	11		2	1               14
    Speed	 7		3			10
    Hodge	 7					 7
    Sterland	 6		1			 7
    McAllistair	 5					 5
    Strachan	 4					 4  Last 7 Sep!
    Dorigo	 3					 3
    Cantona	 3					 3
    Batty	 2					 2
    Shutt	 1		1			 2
    Dorigo	 2					 2
    Fairclough	 2					 2
    Whyte	 1					 1
    Whitlow	 1					 1
    O.G.-	 3					 3
         Kilcline Oldham
         Keown Everton
         Gayle Sheffield Utd
    
    Total	74	0	11	1		86
    
    
    
    Leeds did the double over four teams- Notts County
    					  Luton
    					  Chelsea
    					  Sheffield Utd
    
    Crystal Palace gave us just one point, Man Utd and Arsenal 2 each,
    all the rest supplied at least three.  We scored seven over two games
    against Sheffield Wednesday, Southampton, Notts county and Sheffield
    United; although United scored five in return.
    
    
    And the bad news?  I'm going to a @#$$%^& wedding on Charity Shield day!
      		
    
    
    	Cheers
        Dust		{}_-_{}
    			( o o )
    			 ( % )
    			   U
    
    
    
33.6731996 EC at Elland Rd ?BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Tue May 05 1992 17:4316
    England have landed the 1996 European Championships, Elland Rd is one
    of 4 grounds that rounds of the EC could be played, the others are
    Goodison, StJames' park and Roker Park. The Sunderland/Newcastle
    combination is dependent on a new ground being built and shared between
    the Mags and the Makems, but this doesn't look likely, the fact that
    the teams are floundering at the bottom of Div 2 doesn't help either.
    Goodison has a good playing surface and facilities, but matches are
    being played 30 or so miles away at Old Trafford. This leaves Elland Rd
    as the favourite. Elland Rd is being turned into a 40,000 all seater
    stadium, ready for the 1993-4 season. New Press and Changing rooms are
    being provided this summer, and the new Banqueting suite has just
    opened. Elland Rd is also situated next to the motorway network and has
    ample parking and easy access. 
    
    
    jb.
33.674NEWOA::MORANWey not likely!!Tue May 05 1992 19:1713
    
    Why does floundering around at the foot of the 2nd division negate
    Newcastle or Sunderland's right to host part of the EURO96 tournement?
    St. James' needs a fair amount of work to make it a 40000 all-seater.
    Capacity is currently at 31000 but what's Leeds? 33000? You obviously
    need a fair amount of work done aswell.
    
    Tell me why Elland Road is a better bet.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Tim 
       
33.675If they get their act together ...BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Tue May 05 1992 19:4234
    St James' Park and Roker Park have been neglected in the past - the
    last things directors want to do with money is spend it on improving
    the lot of the spectator. There has been talk of building a Super
    Stadium to be used by Newcastle and Sunderland, whether anything will
    come of this is open to conjecture. Leeds are building a totally new
    East Stand. with a capacity of some 14,000 (current capacity of the
    Lowfields stand is 4,000), the stadium will be 40,000 all seater by
    1994. The press and changing room facilities are being rebuilt over the
    summer, there is a new Banqueting Suite just opened - all things needed
    for high profile international games. These are things that have been
    done / are ongoing / firm plans exist and contracts have been let,
    rather than pipe dreams. The location of Elland Road also helps - it is
    next to the Motorway system , and there is adequate parking space. Last
    close season, the South East Corner (away support area) was totally
    rebuilt and included in the South Stand.
    
    Leeds were down in the basement of Div 2 3 seasons ago, but they picked
    themselves up, put money where the mouth was and the result is
    for all to see, a top class team playing in what will very soon be a
    top-class stadium with facilities to boot.
    
    
    St James' Park still has a lot of open terracing, plans for roofing it
    have been present for years, but nothing has been done. Keegan is still
    trying to get money for a decent team, a decent team will bring fans
    back in / get to the Premier league / generate money for a decent
    stadium (ditto for Sunderland). Keegan has being showing the right
    attitude to the Board at Newcastle 'pay up or I go', Crosby can't do
    that at Sunderland, so I can't see them doing much (apart from getting
    soundly beaten on Saturday). If there is a new stadium in the TW area,
    then I can see the EC 96 going there, but not to one of the existing
    ramshackle grounds.
    
    jb.
33.676excellentMACNAS::JMURPHYIt's a Funny Old Game...Tue May 05 1992 20:516
    
    re .675
    
    Excellent report
    
    jm
33.677My interpretation of the seasons games!XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-2417 Leeds ChampionsTue May 05 1992 21:0685
This is an extension of the list I put in earlier in the season. It needs only
a few crowds to have it complete. The goalscorers differ a little to the list
posted earlier.

My player of the year has to be Dorigo. He has played a blinder all season.
Strachan wasn't nearly as good as last season. He didn't score since last 
September 7.

                               James.

   Season record to date of Leeds United F.C in league and Cup competitions.

  Date            Team            W-L F-T  H-T  Crowd  Po Scorers
Tue 20 Aug  NOTTINGHAM FOREST   H  W  1-0  1-0  29457  -  McAllister   
Sat 24 Aug  SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY H  D  1-1  0-0  30260  10 Hodge   
Wed 28 Aug  southampton         a  W  4-0  1-0  15862  4  Speed 2, Strachan 2 Pens.
Sat 31 Aug  manchester United   a  D  1-1  1-0  43778  6  Chapman
Tue 3  Sep  ARSENAL             H  D  2-2  0-1  29386  6  Strachan pen, Chapman
Sat 7  Sep  MANCHESTER CITY     H  W  3-0  1-0  29986  4  Dorigo,Batty,Strachan pen.
Sat 14 Sep  chelsea             a  W  1-0  0-0  23439  2  Shutt
Wed 18 Sep  coventry City       a  D  0-0  0-0  15488  2  -
Sat 21 Sep  LIVERPOOL           H  W  1-0  1-0  32917  2  Hodge
Sat 28 Sep  norwich City        a  D  2-2  0-0  15828  2  Dorigo,Speed
Tue 1  Oct  crystal Palace      a  L  0-1  0-0  18298  2  -
Sat 5  Oct  SHEFFIELD UNITED    H  W  4-3  3-0  28362  2  Hodge 2, Sterland 2 pen.
Sat 19 Oct  notts County        a  W  4-2  2-1  12964  2  Chapman,Hodge,Whyte,McAllister
Sat 26 Oct  OLDHAM ATHLETIC     H  W  1-0  0-0  28199  1  O.G.
Sat 2  Nov  wimbledon           a  D  0-0  0-0   9025  2  -
Sat 16 Nov  QPR                 H  W  2-0  0-0  27087  1  Sterland,Wallace
Sun 24 Nov  aston Villa         a  W  4-1  1-0  23666  1  Wallace,Sterland,Chapman 2
Sat 30 Nov  EVERTON             H  W  1-0  0-0  30043  1  Wallace
Sat 7  Dec  luton Town          a  W  2-0  0-0  11550  1  Wallace,Speed.
Sat 14 Dec  TOTTENHAM HOTSPURS  H  D  1-1  1-1  31404  1  Speed
Sun 22 Dec  nottingham forest   a  D  0-0  0-0  27170  2  -
Thu 26 Dec  SOUTHAMPTON         H  D  3-3  2-0  29053  2  Hodge 2,Speed.
Sun 29 Dec  MANCHESTER UNITED   H  D  1-1  0-0  32638  2  Sterland pen.
Wed  1 Jan  west ham            a  W  3-1  2-1  21766  1  Chapman 2,McAllister
Sun 12 Jan  sheffield wednesday a  W  6-1  3-1  32228  1  Chapman 3,Dorigo,Whitlow,Wallace
Sat 18 Jan  CRYSTAL PALACE      H  D  1-1  1-1  27717  1  Fairclough
Sat  1 Feb  NOTTS COUNTY        H  W  3-0  3-0  28231  1  Sterland,Batty,Wallace
Sat  8 Feb  oldham              a  L  0-2  0-1  18409  2  -
Sun 23 Feb  everton             a  D  1-1  1-1  19248  2  Shutt
Sat 29 Feb  LUTON               H  W  2-0  0-0  28231  2  Cantona,Chapman
Tue  4 Mar  ASTON VILLA         H  D  0-0  0-0  28896  2  -
Sat  7 Mar  tottenham Hotspurs  a  W  3-1  1-0  27622  1  Wallace,Newsome,McAllister
Wed 11 Mar  qpr                 a  L  1-4  1-1  14641  1  Speed
Sat 14 Mar  WIMBLEDON           H  W  5-1  3-0  26760  1  Chapman 3,Cantona,Wallace
Sun 22 Mar  arsenal             a  D  1-1  0-0  27844  1  Chapman
Sat 28 Mar  WEST HAM            H  D  0-0  0-0  31101  2  -
Sat  4 Apr  manchester city     a  L  0-4  0-2  30239  2  -
Sat 11 Apr  CHELSEA             H  W  3-0  0-0  31363  1  Wallace,Chapman,Cantona
Sat 18 Apr  liverpool           a  D  0-0  0-0  ??     1  -
Tue 21 Apr  COVENTRY            H  W  2-0  0-0  ??     1  Fairclough, McAllister
Sun 26 Apr  sheffield united    a  W  3-2  1-1  ??     1  Wallace, Newsome, O.G
Sat  2 May  NORWICH             H  W  1-0  1-0  ??     1  Wallace

Cup Competitions
Tue 24 Sep  LC R2 L1 scunthorpe a  D  0-0  0-0   8392     -
Tue  8 Oct  LC R2 L2 SCUNTHORPE H  W  3-0  0-0  14588     Sterland pen,Chapman,Speed
Tue 22 Oct  ZDS R2 NOTTM FOREST H  L  1-3  0-2   6145     Wallace
Tue 29 Oct  LC R3 TRANMERE R.   H  W  3-1  0-0  18266     Chapman2,Shutt
Wed  4 Dec  LC R4 everton       a  W  4-1  2-1  25467     Speed,Chapman,Wallace 2
Wed  8 Jan  LC R5 MAN UTD       H  L  1-3  1-1  28886     Speed
Wed 15 Jan  FA R3 MAN UTD       H  L  0-1  0-0  31819     -

Scorers
                       League                Cup             Total
Chapman                  16                   4               20
Wallace                  11                   3               14
Speed                     7                   2                9
Hodge                     7                   0                7
Sterland                  6                   1                7
McAllister                5                   0                5
Strachan                  4                   0                4
Dorigo                    3                   0                3
Shutt                     2                   1                3
Cantona                   3                   0                3
Newsome                   2                   0                2
Fairclough                2                   0                2
Batty                     2                   0                2
Whyte                     1                   0                1
Whitlow                   1                   0                1
O.G.                      2                   0                2
                        -----               -----            -----
                         74                  11               85
33.678NEWOA::MORANWey not likely!!Tue May 05 1992 21:1419
    
    St. James' may be 'ramshackle' at either end of the ground, but the
    stands that occupy the flanks are both modern, fairly aesthetic and have 
    good facilities. The new Milburn stand even has a financial advice
    centre as well as a high class restaurant. This in itself is not
    enough I know, but if the plans to upgrade the Gallowgate end (been in
    place since the early 70's) and to build a new Leazes end stand (also
    been in place for years) actually happen before 1996, then I think that 
    St. James's geographical location will give it the nod over Elland Road 
    (too central). 
    
    I also think the supporters in the region deserve it. They've endured
    poor teams for a number of years and still the average crowd is around
    23-34k. Fantastic crowds for the tournement will be a certainty. On a good 
    day Newcastle could fill Old Trafford quite easily.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Tim 
33.679filling in a few gapsGIDDAY::PARSONSLeeds United. Champions 91-92Wed May 06 1992 14:588
    
    re: .677
    
    Some of the missing attendences :
    
    Liverpool A  37,186
    COVENTRY  H  26,582
    Sheff Utd A  31,082
33.680Season Complete statisticsXSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-2417 Leeds ChampionsWed May 06 1992 17:2483
Just one more thing. Who gets league medals and who 
doesn't. 

Possibilities Cantona, McClelland, Shutt, Newsome??

   Season record to date of Leeds United F.C in league and Cup competitions.

  Date            Team            W-L F-T  H-T  Crowd  Po Scorers
Tue 20 Aug  NOTTINGHAM FOREST   H  W  1-0  1-0  29457  -  McAllister   
Sat 24 Aug  SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY H  D  1-1  0-0  30260  10 Hodge   
Wed 28 Aug  southampton         a  W  4-0  1-0  15862  4  Speed 2, Strachan 2 Pens.
Sat 31 Aug  manchester United   a  D  1-1  1-0  43778  6  Chapman
Tue 3  Sep  ARSENAL             H  D  2-2  0-1  29386  6  Strachan pen, Chapman
Sat 7  Sep  MANCHESTER CITY     H  W  3-0  1-0  29986  4  Dorigo,Batty,Strachan pen.
Sat 14 Sep  chelsea             a  W  1-0  0-0  23439  2  Shutt
Wed 18 Sep  coventry City       a  D  0-0  0-0  15488  2  -
Sat 21 Sep  LIVERPOOL           H  W  1-0  1-0  32917  2  Hodge
Sat 28 Sep  norwich City        a  D  2-2  0-0  15828  2  Dorigo,Speed
Tue 1  Oct  crystal Palace      a  L  0-1  0-0  18298  2  -
Sat 5  Oct  SHEFFIELD UNITED    H  W  4-3  3-0  28362  2  Hodge 2, Sterland 2 pen.
Sat 19 Oct  notts County        a  W  4-2  2-1  12964  2  Chapman,Hodge,Whyte,McAllister
Sat 26 Oct  OLDHAM ATHLETIC     H  W  1-0  0-0  28199  1  O.G.
Sat 2  Nov  wimbledon           a  D  0-0  0-0   9025  2  -
Sat 16 Nov  QPR                 H  W  2-0  0-0  27087  1  Sterland,Wallace
Sun 24 Nov  aston Villa         a  W  4-1  1-0  23666  1  Wallace,Sterland,Chapman 2
Sat 30 Nov  EVERTON             H  W  1-0  0-0  30043  1  Wallace
Sat 7  Dec  luton Town          a  W  2-0  0-0  11550  1  Wallace,Speed.
Sat 14 Dec  TOTTENHAM HOTSPURS  H  D  1-1  1-1  31404  1  Speed
Sun 22 Dec  nottingham forest   a  D  0-0  0-0  27170  2  -
Thu 26 Dec  SOUTHAMPTON         H  D  3-3  2-0  29053  2  Hodge 2,Speed.
Sun 29 Dec  MANCHESTER UNITED   H  D  1-1  0-0  32638  2  Sterland pen.
Wed  1 Jan  west ham            a  W  3-1  2-1  21766  1  Chapman 2,McAllister
Sun 12 Jan  sheffield wednesday a  W  6-1  3-1  32228  1  Chapman 3,Dorigo,Whitlow,Wallace
Sat 18 Jan  CRYSTAL PALACE      H  D  1-1  1-1  27717  1  Fairclough
Sat  1 Feb  NOTTS COUNTY        H  W  3-0  3-0  28231  1  Sterland,Batty,Wallace
Sat  8 Feb  oldham              a  L  0-2  0-1  18409  2  -
Sun 23 Feb  everton             a  D  1-1  1-1  19248  2  Shutt
Sat 29 Feb  LUTON               H  W  2-0  0-0  28231  2  Cantona,Chapman
Tue  4 Mar  ASTON VILLA         H  D  0-0  0-0  28896  2  -
Sat  7 Mar  tottenham Hotspurs  a  W  3-1  1-0  27622  1  Wallace,Newsome,McAllister
Wed 11 Mar  qpr                 a  L  1-4  1-1  14641  1  Speed
Sat 14 Mar  WIMBLEDON           H  W  5-1  3-0  26760  1  Chapman 3,Cantona,Wallace
Sun 22 Mar  arsenal             a  D  1-1  0-0  27844  1  Chapman
Sat 28 Mar  WEST HAM            H  D  0-0  0-0  31101  2  -
Sat  4 Apr  manchester city     a  L  0-4  0-2  30239  2  -
Sat 11 Apr  CHELSEA             H  W  3-0  0-0  31363  1  Wallace,Chapman,Cantona
Sat 18 Apr  liverpool           a  D  0-0  0-0  37186  1  -
Tue 21 Apr  COVENTRY            H  W  2-0  0-0  26582  1  Fairclough, McAllister
Sun 26 Apr  sheffield united    a  W  3-2  1-1  31082  1  Wallace, Newsome, O.G
Sat  2 May  NORWICH             H  W  1-0  1-0  32673  1  Wallace

Cup Competitions
Tue 24 Sep  LC R2 L1 scunthorpe a  D  0-0  0-0   8392     -
Tue  8 Oct  LC R2 L2 SCUNTHORPE H  W  3-0  0-0  14588     Sterland pen,Chapman,Speed
Tue 22 Oct  ZDS R2 NOTTM FOREST H  L  1-3  0-2   6145     Wallace
Tue 29 Oct  LC R3 TRANMERE R.   H  W  3-1  0-0  18266     Chapman2,Shutt
Wed  4 Dec  LC R4 everton       a  W  4-1  2-1  25467     Speed,Chapman,Wallace 2
Wed  8 Jan  LC R5 MAN UTD       H  L  1-3  1-1  28886     Speed
Wed 15 Jan  FA R3 MAN UTD       H  L  0-1  0-0  31819     -

Scorers
                       League                Cup             Total
Chapman                  16                   4               20
Wallace                  11                   3               14
Speed                     7                   2                9
Hodge                     7                   0                7
Sterland                  6                   1                7
McAllister                5                   0                5
Strachan                  4                   0                4
Dorigo                    3                   0                3
Shutt                     2                   1                3
Cantona                   3                   0                3
Newsome                   2                   0                2
Fairclough                2                   0                2
Batty                     2                   0                2
Whyte                     1                   0                1
Whitlow                   1                   0                1
O.G.                      2                   0                2
                        -----               -----            -----
                         74                  11               85


                             James.
33.681Macker's got oneYUPPY::TAYLORMWed May 06 1992 19:145
    Re. -1
    
    According to my sources "Macker" has received his medal
    
    Martin 
33.68211 Get's You a MedalESSB::BLONGThe Scousers Trophy Cabinet is EmptyWed May 06 1992 19:255
33.683Medal MickeyWELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Thu May 07 1992 02:0115
    
    
    Got his medal and gone !!!.
    
       Big John McClelland has been given a free transfer after receiving
    his championship medal.
    
     Mervyn Day and  Chris Fairclough have not signed new contracts yet,
    Mel Sterland has signed till 1993.
    
    
    Keep you posted about any others
    
    
    Paul....
33.684Is there more?YUPPY::MCCABEMikeThu May 07 1992 18:395
    Jon,
    
    Lee Dixon to Leeds?  
    
    Mike M
33.685More speculationBAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Thu May 07 1992 18:5614
    Mike,
    
    I've heard this (from the same source as V Jones to Sheff Utd), also
    Deane in, part money and Lee Chapman to the Blades. John McClelland has
    been given a free, he's done well in his time with Leeds, good luck to
    him. A few reserve players (one is O'Dowd) haven't had their contracts
    renewed. Fairclough and Day haven't signed yet, but are expected to
    sign new 2 year contracts.
    
    Batty and Dorigo are in the England squad, Speed in the Welsh and
    McAllister in the Scottish and Eric of course in the French. Still a
    long way to go before there are 11 fielded in the same team !
    
    jb.
33.686Outs / Manager of Year / Big JohnBAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Fri May 08 1992 13:0817
    Other outs are :-
    
    Tony O'Dowd, an Irish U-21 goalie, signed from Shelbourne
    Chris Flear, ex YTS goalie
    Steve Mulrain, a 19 year old striker, ex Leeds City Boys
    Leonard Curtis, Itish u-21 International defender
    
    Wilko is in London today, he is 'strongly tipped' to get the Manager of
    the Year award, as well as the April award, he has also been invited to
    Italy to take place in a 'European Coach of the Year' contest, but he
    apparantley has family commitments then, ie he's on holiday.
    
    John McClelland is hoping for another year in the Premier League, but
    Wetherall, Newsome and Haddock will be back in contention
    next season, so there wasn't a place for him.
    
    jb.
33.687NEWOA::MORANWey not likely!!Fri May 08 1992 14:007
    
    I remeber seeing Peter Haddock 10 years or more ago at Newcastle and 
    I can't believe that he could have a part to play in your team now. 
    Not unless he's improved beyond all recognition or indeed is a different 
    Peter Haddock.
    
    Tim
33.688Cod and Chips ?BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Fri May 08 1992 16:409
    re Haddock :-
    He is the same peter Haddock, and he is a useful player. He missed all
    this season just gone and a the end of the previous season due to
    cruciate ligament problems. He might not be automatic starting line up
    choice, but is a useful squad player, he was playing well up until his
    injury, vs the mancs in the R Cup semi final 2nd leg.
    
    jb.
    
33.689Some stats from the season.XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-2417 Leeds ChampionsWed May 13 1992 13:2245
This season threw up some interesting statistics that we on this side of the 
Atlantic take little notice of, but which the Americans in their sports take lots
of notice of. 

What I mean are the statistics involving things such as penalties scored, 
bookings conceded, goals scored in the first 5/last 5 minutes of a game and own 
goals conceded.

Lets look at some teams performances on these counts.

Penalties
---------
Leeds scored 4 home 0 away = 4 total.
Winners Man City with a total of 7.
Losers Sheff Utd. with a total of 0.

Booking conceded
----------------
Leeds 11 home, 16 away, 1 sending off.
Winners Forest 7 home, 7 away, 0 sending off.
Losers Southampton 17 home, 30 away, 3 sending offs including Ruddock twice.
Losers Chelsea 4 sending offs.

Goals in the first 5 minutes
----------------------------
Leeds 1 goals.
Winners Wimbledon 5 goals.
Loters West Ham 0.

Goals in the last 5 minutes
---------------------------
Leeds 11 goals.
Winners Arsenal 14 goals.
Losers Wimbledon, Coventry 2 goals. Man U 4 goals. <-- no late surprises :-).

Own goals
---------
Leeds Conceded 1, got 3.
Winners Leeds, Forest. 
Losers loads. 

                            James.

Point of information an own goal put us top in October versus Oldham and an own 
goal won us the league versus Sheff Utd. The season of the own goal?
33.690Confusing stats!MACNAS::MJGREANEYWhat's another year?Wed May 13 1992 17:0310
    RE:-1,
    
    Bookings.
    
    winners Forest?????        0 sending offs??????
    
    Forest had 4 players sent off last season,Pearce,Clough,Tiler and
    Laws!!
    
    M.J.
33.691PEKING::NAGLEJWed May 13 1992 17:166
    
    You are correct but weren't they in cup matches. Laws got sent
    off against Pompey in the FA cup. The statistics are for League
    games only.
    
    JN.
33.692Clarification.XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-2417 Leeds ChampionsWed May 13 1992 17:218
RE:: .-2

MJ, You are right and wrong.

They had 2 players sent off according to the stats I have but had only 14 players
booked in the league, Pearce, Clough.

                         James.
33.693Sent off in the leagueUPROAR::SHORESDDavid ShoresWed May 13 1992 17:228
    
    RE sendings off.
    
    Pearce and Clough got their marching orders against Spurs (Retaliation
    for fouls on Keane ) and I think Tiler's was also a league sending off.
    
    DavidS.
    
33.694"wanna be rich and ah wanna be famous"YUPPY::OHAGANBGive my regards to Sgt FuryWed May 13 1992 19:4332
       <<< Note 210.26 by YUPPY::OHAGANB "Give my regards to Sgt Fury" >>>
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
>    This man is showing his age. What was happening in 1975, apart from
>    Alex Harvey singing the above ditty ? 
  


Jon, posted here to keep the predictors content. Apart from A.H. 
singing the above, was'nt 1975 the year Leeds lost the European 
Cup to Bayern, the year of the "Cockney Cup Final" between West 
'Am and Fullum, Derby winners of the League(?), and Keef getting 
busted in Canada on drugs (could be '76)? The Mancs were'nt 
exactly trailblazers at that time either. When did they go down 
for a spell of SECOND DIVISION football? Actually I was still in 
short trousers then. Don't scoff.

    

>                         -< Fantasy working overtime >-
                            ^^^^^^^
>    Or is this Senses ?   eXTatiC eh ?
    
>    jb.



I thought about using it. However, I figured fantasy reflects 
better the notion of England winning the championship, however 
nice it may seem.

barry.
33.695Shang-a-lang.BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Wed May 13 1992 19:5922
    re last -
    
>Apart from A.H. 
>singing the above, was'nt 1975 the year Leeds lost the European 
>Cup to Bayern, 
    
    Yes. I had a ticket for the game in Paris, but as I was sitting my 1st
    year exams at Leeds University I thought it would be better to do that
    rather than go to Paris, just as well I didn't as it turned out.
    
    That wonderful Manc team also got relegated for a spell of SECOND DIVISION
    football in 1975 - they were relegated by City, Denis Law scoring the
    winner. 
    
    >Actually I was still in short trousers then. Don't scoff.
    
    - I was in 28" flares - but they kept getting wrapped round the
    kickstart of my Trident and they wouldn't stuff into Motorcycle Boots.
    Still got the Trident and to boots, flares were used as cloths.
    
    jb.
    
33.696baaaaBLKPUD::WATTERSONPWed May 13 1992 20:089
    
    Jon,
    
    >>>>- I was in 28" flares
    
    28" flares were still being worn in Leeds up until 1985. Did you have a
    3-star jumper aswell ?
    
    Paul
33.697Wrong Year ChapsESSB::BLONGRumbleows &amp; Euro Super Cup Winners 92Wed May 13 1992 20:4011
33.698Nostalgia ......BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Wed May 13 1992 21:0414
    re -2
    
    Flares are *still* worn in Manchester. I didn't have a 3 star jumper, I
    had an acrylic black red and white one (see above, they still make them
    in Manchester for not-grown-up-yet BCR fans). Most of the time I had to
    put up with a black Triumph T shirt, battered jeans and a Leather
    Jacket, so there.
    
    re -1
    
    Brian, don't blind me with facts ! ;-)
    Didn't that Manc team collapse rapidly !
    
    jb.
33.699Lowfields Demolition.BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Thu May 14 1992 13:4010
    Moving on from Manc sartorial values :-
    
    The Lowfields Road stand roof has been demolished, the diggers are set
    to move in soon to take away the huge earth mound that the stand itself
    is built on. The Lowfields terracing will remain whilst all this is in
    progress, so the capacity will be limited to 30,500, down from 33,550.
    The new East Stand should be ready at the end of the 1992-3 season, ie
    1 year on from now.
    
    jb.
33.700Double ScouseBAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Fri May 15 1992 13:166
    There is a double helping of Liverpool in August :-
    
    Sat 8 Aug - Charity Shield at Wembley
    Tue 11 Aug - Jim Beglin Testimonial at Elland Road
    
    jb.
33.701Who picked these teams then ?GIDDAY::PARSONSLeeds United. Champions 91-92Mon May 18 1992 12:145
    
    The Makita Tournament is starting to look good :
    
    English League Champions, German League Champions, Cloughie ...
    all we need now is for Sampdoria to beat Barcelona. 
33.702C'mon the Jam-TartsMASALA::CPATRICKLittle Purple People EatersMon May 18 1992 14:1310
    
    Heart Of Midlothian V Leeds United
    
    Tynecastle Park  27th or 29th July..
    
    John Robertson's testimonial match.
    
    Be there or be square
    
     SQF Jambo
33.703SnippetsBAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Tue May 26 1992 17:4314
33.704More..BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Wed May 27 1992 13:4620
    A Correction - only the 2 Lowfields floodlights are down.
    
    The Lowfields stand has been razed to the ground, and the earth bank it
    was built on is being dug away and dumped in an old quarry 1/2 mile
    from the Digital Horsforth office.
    
    Daniel Yorath, son of ex-Leeds player Terry, aged 15 collapsed and died
    at his home in Leeds on Monday night. He was kicking a football around
    in his back garden. Daniel had just signed on as a Leeds United
    apprentice.
    
    The FA are allowing leeds only 15,000 tickets for the Charity Shield -
    Leeds want at least 25,000.
    
    The sale of TV rights for the European Cup games will go ahead once the
    dust has settled from the BSkyB / ITV bickerings.
    
    There are reports in some papers that Batty is to sign for Lazio.
    
    jb.
33.705Little bit more ...GIDDAY::PARSONSLeeds United. Champions 91-92Thu May 28 1992 10:2816
    
    Batty to Lazio ! Hopefully this rumour can be added to the 
    "Batty to Liverpool, Beardsley to Leeds; Sterland to Liverpool;
     McAllister to Rangers" collection of journalists filling column
    inches when nothing else is happening. Presumably he is still under
    contract anyway.
    
    There has been a fair bit of comment about Ned Zelic being chased
    by Leeds over here (Zelic scored the 2 Aussie goals that knocked
    Holland out of the Olympics this week - he looks quite good as
    well). Apparently Leeds tried to buy him for 150,000 pounds 18 months
    ago. If they go for him now he'll cost a lot more.
    
    I can't see why we would want Waddle, Zelic would be a good buy for
    the centre of defence which will need strengthening for the European
    Cup.
33.706Manc Shock / ProgrammesBAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Fri May 29 1992 13:1125
    Got the 'Champions' video yesterday. It appears there was a cock up in
    1 batch - the Leeds 'Champions' were mixed up with the Mancs - this
    caused distress and upset, imagine sitting down to watch 80 minutes of
    Leeds United winning the title only to be confronted with ther Losers
    from Old Trafford .........
    
    Wilko gets back from his hols today, expect the xfer rumours and
    wheeling & dealing to start soon.
    
    I have some spare Leeds Programmes :-
    
    24 Aug 91 Sheff Wed
    9  Aug 91 Botafogo Friendly x2
    10 Apr 91 Man City x2
    2  Apr 91 Sunderland
    19 Mar 91 Everton ZDS Cup
    22 Jan 91 Derby ZDS Cup x2
    19 Jan 91 Luton x2
    16 Dec 90 Everton
    1  Sep 90 Norwich
    6  Jan 90 Ipswich FAC
    
    Send me mail if you're interested.
    
    jb.
33.707What the French think of the Cantona-Leeds connection, with permission!XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsFri May 29 1992 17:04125
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From: gburnage@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Ooh Aah Cantona)
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Subject: Leeds fou de Cantona
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A couple of weeks back, ill in bed with flu just after Leeds won the title
(too much celebrating may well have brought it on), I got hold of a copy of
the French national daily sports paper L'Equipe to see what they had to say
about Leeds & Cantona. Below there is an extract (largely the man's own
words) from the article, with my dodgy translation alongside it. The upshot
is that Leeds loves Eric and Eric loves Leeds, and that from now on he never
wants to play football anywhere other than England. 

Also many thanks to those who replied to my Canto-query the other week:
John Rodriguez, Eric Debeau, Eric Tome, and Francois at Stanford.
It was much appreciated.

Gavin
gburnage@vax.ox.ac.uk
====


LEEDS FOU DE CANTONA                        LEEDS MAD ABOUT CANTONA             

Adule au-dela de l'imaginable par           Adored beyond belief by Leeds     
les supporteurs de Leeds, Eric vit          fans, Eric is having the time of    
ses plus beaux moments de                   his footballing life. It's a story  
footballeur. Histoire d'un coup de          of mutual love at first sight.      
foudre reciproque.                                                              

<<Jamais dans l'histoire du club un         "Never in the history of the club   
joueur, meme anglais, n'a ete aussi         has any player, even an English     
rapidement adopte par le public>>,          one, been taken to so quickly by    
raconte Norman Hunter, l'un des             the public", says Norman Hunter,    
heros du Leeds des annees 70s.              one of the heros from the Leeds of  
Aujourd'hui reporter a la BBC               the 1970s. Today a reporter on BBC  
radio, Norman n'en revient pas:             radio, Norman can't get over it:    
<<Les gens du Yorkshire sont plutot         "The people of Yorkshire are rather 
mefiants, d'ordinaire. Je crois             distrustful, normally. I think that 
qu'avec son talent et des qualites          with his talent and technical       
techniques qu'on ne rencontre que           qualities found only rarely in our  
rarement dans notre football, il a          game, he's won the crowds over."    
conquis les foules.>>                                                           

Barry Davies, le Charles Bietry de          Barry Davies, the Charles Bietry of 
la tele anglasie, depasse le cadre          British tv, looks beyond the Leeds  
de Leeds et tente d'analyser le             scene and tries to analyse the      
phenomene Cantona: <<Depuis Oswaldo         Cantona phenonenon: "No foreigner   
Ardiles a Tottenham, jamais un              since Oswaldo Ardiles has ever      
etranger n'a recu un tel acceuil.           received such a welcome. What makes 
Ce que reussit Eric est une sacree          Eric a success is one hell of a     
performance. Les gens ont tout de           performance. People immediately     
suite aime ce garcon. Pour sa               liked this lad. For his technique,  
technique, mais surtout pour sa             but above all for his reputation.   
reputation. Tant qu'elle ne nuit            So long as it doesn't damage the    
pas au club, elle genere autour de          club, it generates something of a   
lui comme un mythe.>> Leeds aime            myth around him. Leeds likes        
les rebelles.                               rebels.                             

En echo, <<Canto>>, serein et               Echoing that, "Canto", peaceful and 
heureux comme il avoue ne jamais            happy in a way he swears he's never 
l'avoir ete jusque-la, renvoie les          been till now, returns the          
compliments: <<Les gens sont                compliments: "Here, the people are  
different, ici. Je les aime. Il             different. I like them. They live   
vivent et pensent comme moi. Pour           and think like me. To them, I'm a   
eux, je suis un etre normal. En             normal person. In France, I'm       
France, en me prend pour quelqu'un          thought of as someone exceptional,  
d'extraordinaire, mais la on me             but here they let me get on with my 
laisse vivre ma vie. J'ai trouve            life. I've found my psychological   
mon equilibre psychique et                  and physical balance. What's more,  
physique. D'ailleurs, je ne                 I'll never again play football      
rejouerai plus jamais au foot en            outside England.                    
dehors de l'Angleterre.                                                         

Je vis de tres grands moments ici.          I'm thriving on the big-time        
Et je suis moi-meme. Tous les               moments here. And I'm myself. Every 
samedis, je suis excite a l'idee de         Saturday, I'm excited about the     
jouer. L'atmosphere dans les stades         idea of playing. The feel in the    
est unique. Ici, on ne joue que de          stadiums is unique. Here, they only 
grandes matches. Dans cette                 play big matches. In this           
ambiance, on a encore plus envie de         atmosphere, you want more than ever 
donner le maximum. Moi qui suis             to give it everything. I'm          
hyper-sensible aux bonnes comme aux         hyper-sensitive to emotions both    
mauvaises emotions, je m'eclate. Je         good and bad, and I'm having a      
vis la plus belle periode de ma             great time. I'm having the time of  
vie. En France, des que j'ai ete            my life. In France, after the media 
mediatise, j'ai connu de mauvais            were on to me, I got it bad. They   
moments. On a raconte des conneries         talked crap about me. There was     
sur moi. J'en ai fait, certes, mais         something in it, of course, but     
on a tout exagere. Je n'en veux pas         they exaggerated everything. I      
specialement a la presse, qui m'a           haven't really got it in for the    
aussi aide, mais surtout aux gens           press -- they helped me as well --  
de football, qui ont profite de ma          but I definitely have for the       
notoriete pour se faire de la pub           football people who took advantage  
et avoir leur nom dans les                  of my notoriety to get themselves   
journaux. C'est degueulasse!>>              some publicity and have their name  
                                            in the papers. It's disgusting!"    

Ca, c'etait hier. Aujourd'hui, Eric         That was yesterday. Today, Eric has 
a retrouve la joie de jouer ... il          rediscovered the joys of playing    
s'est adapte au jeu anglais,                ... he's adapted to the English     
mettant son intelligence au service         game, putting his intelligence to   
de son football. ... En trois mois          the service of his football. ... In 
et demi, Howard Wilkinson a relance         three and a half months, Howard     
un footballeur qu'on croyait perdu          Wilkinson has relaunched a          
a jamais. A coups de 20 minutes par         footballer who was thought to be    
match. <<Si je l'avais fait jouer           lost for good. In bursts of 20      
d'entree chaque fois, je l'aurais           minutes a match. "If I'd started    
peut-etre brule. Le football                him each time, I might have burnt   
anglais et si particulier et si             him out. English football is so     
rapide.>> Howard est un sage et les         distinctive and so fast." Howard is 
resultats plaident pour lui. Il             a wise man and results speak for    
sait que pour Eric le plus dur              him. He knows that for Eric the     
commence.                                   hardest is beginning.               

L'Equipe, Lundi 4 Mai 1992                  L'Equipe, Monday 4 May 1992

==


33.708CrowdsBAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Mon Jun 01 1992 13:316
    Leeds finished last season with an average home gate of 29,050, the 5th
    highest. The Mancs, Liverpool, The Arse and Sheff Wed had more. Elland
    Road's capacity is 33,000, so that is a filling factor of around 88%.
    The average gate was 500 up on the season before.
    
    jb.
33.709NEWOA::MORANWey not likely!!Mon Jun 01 1992 16:102
    
    Has Waddle signed for you?
33.710Not yet (hope he doesn't!)FORTY2::ASHGrahame Ash @REOMon Jun 01 1992 19:083
According to Ceefax, no decision until he gets back from holiday.

g
33.711Not yet.BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Mon Jun 01 1992 20:444
    There are rumours of a 950,000 move, with him on 4,000 aweek, but
    nothing has been signed yet.
    
    jb.
33.712Waddle good or badMACNAS::JMURPHYIt's a Funny Old Game...Tue Jun 02 1992 20:476
    
    Will Chris Waddle be a good buy for Leeds.....
    
    Where will he play..left wing , right wing or up front....
    
    jm
33.713Waddle for Europe ?GIDDAY::PARSONSLeeds United. Champions 91-92Wed Jun 03 1992 03:4811
    
    I think Waddle is a buy for the European Cup games, Chapman will
    be a bit out of his class against teams like AC Milan so I reckon
    HW will play Wallace, Waddle and Cantona up front for those games
    and rely on McAllister and Speed to come up to support them.
    
    Talking of AC Milan, I hope we avoid them in the draw. They showed
    their final league game over here on Sunday against Foggia away.
    2-1 down at half-time they won 8-2, it would have been more but the
    home fans invaded the pitch in the 87th minute after the 8th goal
    and the ref called it a day ! 
33.714Waddle's okMOEUR3::SMITHWed Jun 03 1992 10:4915
    
    re : .712
    
    I'm finally going to reply to one of these notes!  I'm not a Man. Utd,
    Leeds, Arsenal or Liverpool supporter (yes there are some of us out
    here!).  Currently living and working in France, but English thru and
    thru.
    
    Waddle MUST be a good buy for Leeds, he's had some bad stick from
    people in this conference recently, but having watched him play for
    Marseilles this season several times (French tele likes Marseilles and
    Monaco, like English tele likes Liverpool and Man Utd), he's in good
    shape.  I'd have picked him for the England squad in Sweden.
    
    Ian
33.715PEKING::NAGLEJWed Jun 03 1992 14:027
    
    Re :-1.
    
    I feel too that Waddle should be in the squad for Sweden but
    Taylor thinks he's a wanka. Obviously a personal thing.
    
    JN.
33.716Just when you thought it was safe...XSTACY::PATTISONPart-orange liquid competitionWed Jun 03 1992 17:146
Re: 33.637

could also have been 

Harassed policemen at Elland Road (5,3,9)
33.717Waddle will sign for Leeds and he is worth it !! Waddle will sign for Leeds, its a good buy for sure !! PLUNDR::LOWEGDon't believe a wordWed Jun 03 1992 19:1215
	I was out on site up here in Newcastle where Chris Waddle's wife's 
        best friend works and she was saying that Chris was going to sign
	for Sheff Wed. However, Leeds came in with a late bid which Waddle
	is thinking over. My money is on Chris Waddle signing for Leeds
	ahead of Sheff Wed as Leeds is only about an hour up the road from
	Newcastle..

	Plus an earlier note questioned his value, I saw him play in a 
	testimonial recently at St James's Park and he was outstanding
	and definately worth a place in the England line up on current 
	form. Its just a pity he has seemed to rule out a return to Newcastle
	to play..

	Gary.. 
33.718NEWOA::MORANWey not likely!!Wed Jun 03 1992 19:429
    re -1 
    
     >> .................. as Leeds is only about an hour up the road from
     >> Newcastle.
    
    Sure, if you drive at an average speed of 92mph. Given the state of the
    A1, I wouldn't want to do that journey (twice) on a daily basis.
    
    Tim
33.719PEKING::NAGLEJWed Jun 03 1992 19:5513
    
    Does he really want to play in the new Division One instead
    of the Premier League ? I doubt it. Anyway his personal terms
    are quite high. Would Newcastle have been able to meet these
    demands ? I doubt it.
    
    He needs and wants to play Premier Division football. He obviously
    feels he should be playing for England and Premier Division will
    give him the exposure he wants.
    
    It'll be interesting to see him go to Leeds.
    
    JN.
33.720PLUNDR::LOWEGDon't believe a wordWed Jun 03 1992 21:1015

	I believe that Waddle would have come back to St James's and that the 
	money would have been found from somewhere, but, Chris wanted to be
	involved on the coaching staff as well probably for a foot in the
	door into management. This part of the deal wasn't available to 
	Waddle at St James's and consequently he started to look at the
	offers made by the premier league clubs and Leeds I think are 
	favourites..

	Gary..

	PS. I think Leeds would let Mr Waddle out early to avoid the rush
	    hour traffic. So just over an hour away isn't that far away
	    Tim..
33.721BLKPUD::WATTERSONPWed Jun 03 1992 21:2710
    
    I doubt it Gary - the only reason he'd go to Newcastle is if he thought
    he was coming towards the end of his career and wanted the money, but
    not the pressure of playing at the top level - a bit like Lineker's
    decision to go to Japan (second rate league, out in the wilderness, no
    chance of resurrecting his England career ete etc)
    
    :-)
    
    Paul
33.722Waddling about.BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Thu Jun 04 1992 14:337
    If the price is right, then Waddle would be a good addition -
    especially for European games. No further news regarding xfers. The
    draw for the European Cup will be made on 16 July.
    
    Anybody know when the Premier League fixtures are published ?
    
    jb.
33.723Telly CupBAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Thu Jun 04 1992 17:2912
    Leeds have signed a million plus deal with ITV to show the 1st 2 rounds
    of the European Cup ties vs X any Y (provided X get beaten). After
    that, UEFA organises the TV. The Sgt. Peppers' have arranged a similar
    deal in the UEFA Cup with ITV.
    
    Monday night footie is still on, but teams that have a midweek Cup game
    won't have to play on a Monday night.
    
    Leeds are not entering the ZDS Cup this year, I'm surprised it's still
    there.
    
    jb.
33.724OOOH AAH CANTONAJGODCL::SHERLOCKL.U.F.C. The phoenix has risenFri Jun 05 1992 17:314
    Does anyone know if Cantona is in tonight's line up for the friendly
    against Holland ?
    
    Tim
33.725WELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Fri Jun 05 1992 20:2825
    
    
       Tim,
           As far i  know yes he is according to the clubcall yesterday.
    
       Where will your loyalties be for that match with you being a Leeds
      fan living in Holland ??.
    
      For the European games Leeds are asking you to be a member of the
    Leeds European travel club plus a premier card holder before you can
    get tickets. Bond holders will get first option to buy, followed by
    season ticket holders followed by premier card holders followed by open
    sale (long winded or what??).
           Renewal of season tickets have  to be  returned by 13-jun-1992
    to get the same place as last year if you want it.
    
       Peter Haddock has signed a 1 year contract, McClelland has had
    interest show by 2 first div clubs and one premier club for his
    services.
    
    
    
      Paul...
    
    
33.726I can see for milesBAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Mon Jun 08 1992 19:305
    The Lowfields mound is no more - it is now possible to see right into
    the ground from the M621. Piles are being driven in to support the new
    East Stand, steelwork should be up in a few weeks.
    
    jb.
33.727IOSG::PAGEDMr MeenaWed Jun 10 1992 14:011
    Word has it that Leeds have signed Chris Waddle. Is this true ?
33.728wye aye man.... I think..PLUNDR::LOWEGDon't believe a wordWed Jun 10 1992 16:045
    
    On sky last night it said they were well into the negotiations, so I
    would put money on it..
    
    Gary..
33.729WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Thu Jun 11 1992 01:2817
    
       Although the Marseille general manager was reported as saying that
    Waddle would 'most likely' join Leeds, Waddles' personal manager said
    that Waddle had not decided yet and that he would not do so until he
    returned from holiday on saturday. He has had offers in from Sheff Weds
    , Crystal Palace and Leeds.  It is best in situations like these not to
    jump the gun i'll believe it when i see it.
    
     BTW   Thought that Cantona had a relatively good game last night and
    was unlucky to get booked for nearly dismembering someones wedding
    tackle....
    
    
    
    
    
    Paul.....
33.730Swedes.BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Mon Jun 15 1992 15:378
    So far, 3 Leeds players have had outings in Sweden, Gary Mac, Batts and
    Eric the Gaul, all 3 of them have played reasonably. It is hoped that
    the antics of certain 'fans' in Malmo will not put paid to Leeds'
    European return next season. As usual, a few idiots spoil it for
    everybody else, what's the betting that the Rat Pack bought a lot of
    booze for these idiots so they would get a good story ?
    
    jb.
33.731Heavy!XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Jun 15 1992 16:0218
JB,

Isn't it a bit extreme to say that the rat pack brought the beer so that they
could disgrace some of their own. All I can say is that will they ever learn
that you can dress some people up and never take them out or as we say in this
part of the world you can take the man out of the bog but never can you take the
bog out of the man.

On another subject did Leeds youths win their league? The day I was over they
were winning by 5-7 points but some crowd like Barnsley have 3-4 games in hand
and could pass them out.

Saw a fairly caustic article in the Sunday Times yesterday about Venables passing
up on Waddle ( a proven player ) and plumping for an unknown for nearly twice as 
much, Anderton??. For a million you can hardly go wrong and Wilko makes few
mistakes in the transfer market :-).

                             James. 
33.732Lunchtime O'Booze.BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Mon Jun 15 1992 17:1510
    James,
    
    I think that the Press could have got some of them drunk - I wouldn't
    put anything past them. No violence = no news = no justification for
    being there. Sad but true.
    
    No excuse for the behaviour though - confiscating passports of known
    troublemakers might work, but would that be the thin end of the wedge ?
    
    jb.
33.733PEKING::NAGLEJMon Jun 15 1992 17:2510
    
    In Italy during the World cup the press, both tabloid and TV,
    were actually paying money to known trouble makers to cause
    aggro.
    
    In answer to the note a few behind this one is that NO it is 
    not too extreme to suggest that people are being rewarded with
    booze or money to give them a story. It happens.
    
    JN.
33.734TRUCKS::SANTlurching from disaster to apocalypse..Mon Jun 15 1992 17:356
    	
    	Quite right, Jeff. Have you read Pete Davies' All Played Out?
    
    	Some enlightening "inside" info, eh?
                                  
    	Andy.
33.735PEKING::NAGLEJMon Jun 15 1992 17:4522
    
    Andy.
    
    Yes I read it about a year ago which reminds me I must get
    it back from a mate I lent it too as I want to read it again.
    
    It was real fly on the wall stuff and it didn't contain any
    bullshit. The interviews with the players was repeated as they
    had said it. When people always question Barnes ability to
    produce at international level I say go read this book as it tells
    you why he doesn't. Well he doesn't now anyway 'cos he is injured.
    
    I couldn't put the book down it was that good. When Pete Davis
    re-lived the Germany V England game I was sitting there with tears
    in my eyes as I remember feeling the same emotions as he felt while
    at the game, yet he was watching it live and I watched it on the box.
    
    Great book.
    
    JN.
    
    
33.736What happened?SALES::THILLMon Jun 15 1992 18:3717
    What exactly happened with the hooliganism? The only info we got in
    the US was on the 6:00 news, where they showed people throwing chairs
    and rocks at police, and a fire. They said that it errupted when
    Swedish police couldn't convice English supporters to come down fom the
    roof of a beer stand.
    
    The thing that I find most disturbing is that that was the only glimpse
    of news here in the US. No mention of the score of the game! Hooligan 
    problems are the only time we even get any news. From the fact that this 
    conference is not going on to great lengths talking about it, it seems 
    like it was somewhat minor, compared to previous incidents. For a sport
    that faces an uphill battle in the US, the average person here must
    think that sort of thing happens all the time. In fact, I know some
    people that didn't go because they thought this sort of thing would 
    happen at the recent US Cup friendlies, which none did.
    
    Disgusted of Boston                                     
33.737Saturday Night Fever / Sunday Morning Nightmare !BAHTAT::LZOP01::blytheLeeds United - Champions 91-92Mon Jun 15 1992 18:466
re Swedish aggro :-

The police said it was no worse than a normal Saturday night brawl, but as 
it was Football related, it got blown up.

jb.
33.738It figures....SALES::THILLMon Jun 15 1992 20:048
    re -1
    That was the impression I got. It's just a shame that the US media
    reported that aspect, when it really was blown out of proportion. I
    guess what got to me is that the papers didn't even give the score of
    France-England,and I expected them to at least give the result as a
    tag-line to the hooligan story.
    
    Tom
33.739Waddle Toddles OffESSB::BLONGRumbleows &amp; Euro Super Cup Winners 92Wed Jun 24 1992 19:249
33.740Nothing has been decided.BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Wed Jun 24 1992 19:379
   <<< Note 33.739 by ESSB::BLONG "Rumbleows & Euro Super Cup Winners 92" >>>
                            -< Waddle Toddles Off >-

** He says that Leeds have no chance of winning the european cup and
    
    They've got a bigger chance of winning it than the Sgt. Peppers'
    "Twenty Five and Rising".
    
    jb.
33.741Is Waddle gone to Wednesday?XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Jun 29 1992 14:219
Looks like its Leeds 1 Wednesday 1 on the transfer scene.

Scorers are Leeds (Cantona) Wednesday (Waddle).

Why isn't Waddle coming to Leeds? A bit too hot for his liking? Or
else he isn't a real man :*). Would have been nice having him shore up our
midfield but then you're either 100% behind Wilko or else you're out!

                            James.
33.742Working Holiday???WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Mon Jun 29 1992 15:3020
    
    
       We have been put into the European cup as unseeded which makes the
    possibility of meeting one of the big guns, A.C. Milan, Barcelona et al
    a little sooner in the competition. Big Jack was reported as saying it
    would have been better for us to be seeded to get a couple of games
    under our belt and a chance of getting to the mini-league more
    possible.
    
      Peter Haddock has still got problems with his Knee after a few
    operations after the game against Man U some 18 months ago.
    
      Wilko is back from his holiday in Portugal this week so maybe we will
    see a bit more movement on the transfer market.  Wilko is not the sort
    of manager to leave his buying of players till late in the day as he
    likes to get the players in early after the close of season and
    training with the other players.
    
    
    Paul...
33.743NewsBAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Tue Jun 30 1992 13:2813
    John McClelland has joined StJohnstone as player coach.
    Players return for training on 2nd July, Wilko gets back from his
    holidays on 6 July - expect the transfers to start then. Latest
    speculation surrounds Scott Sellars, out of contract at Blackburn. SS
    was sold by Billy Bremner for 20,000 6 years ago, Leeds United will get
    25% of any fee on a subsequent transfer.
    July 15 sees the European Cup Draw, Leeds are unseeded and could draw
    anyone.
    The fixtures are with the clubs, they are out on Wed lunchtime, I'll
    put them in then (assuming I'm still around, it's the TCC Cull today,
    apparently Digital doesn't need technical expertise anymore)
    
    jb.
33.744Fixtures, 1992-1993BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Wed Jul 01 1992 19:2048
    Leeds United, 1992-1993 Fixtures to Cut Out and Keep.
    
    (HOME)    (Away)
    
    Sat 15 Aug	WIMBLEDON
    Wed 19 Aug  Aston Villa
    Sat 22 Aug  Middlesborough
    Tue 25 Aug  TOTTENHAM
    Sat 29 Aug  LIVERPOOL
    Tue 1  Sep  Oldham
    Sat 5  Sep  Manchester United
    Sat 12 Sep  ASTON VILLA
    Sat 19 Sep  Southampton
    Sat 26 Sep  EVERTON
    Sat 3  Oct  Ipswich
    Sat 17 Oct  SHEFFIELD UNITED
    Sat 24 Oct  Queens' Park Rangers
    Sat 31 Oct  COVENTRY
    Sat 7  Nov  Manchester City
    Sat 21 Nov  ARSENAL
    Sat 28 Nov  Chelsea
    Sat 5  Dec  NOTTINGHAM FOREST
    Sat 12 Dec  SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY
    Sat 19 Dec  Crystal Palace 
    Sat 26 Dec  Blackburn Rovers 
    Mon 28 Dec  NORWICH CITY
    Sat 9  Jan  SOUTHAMPTON
    Sat 16 Jan  Everton
    Tue 26 Jan  Liverpool
    Sat 30 Jan  MIDDLESBOROUGH
    Sat 6  Feb  Wimbledon
    Tue 9  Feb  MANCHESTER UNITED
    Sat 13 Feb  OLDHAM
    Sat 20 Feb  Tottenham
    Sat 27 Feb  IPSWICH TOWN
    Sat 6  Mar  Sheffield United
    Tue 9  Mar  Arsenal
    Sat 13 Mar  MANCHESTER CITY
    Sat 20 Mar  Nottingham Forest
    Tue 23 Mar  CHELSEA
    Sat 3  Apr  Sheffield Wednesday
    Sat 10 Apr  BLACKBURN
    Mon 12 Apr  Norwich
    Sat 17 Apr  CRYSTAL PALACE
    Sat 1  May  QUEENS' PARK RANGERS
    Sat 8  May  Coventry 
    
    jb.
33.745Boohoo, I wanted the WomblesSIOG::SPENCERPeter Spencer @DBO 827-2286Wed Jul 01 1992 19:447
    I see you have two Monday games scheduled and they're both against
    Norwich - cancel my Skysport application ;-)
    
    I'm also peeved to note that your first fixture is Wimbledon. I was
    hoping we would get them away as the first fixture as we did in 88-89
    and 90-91 as an omen of continuing the championship every second year
    sequence.
33.746Holidays - like the long one I'm going to start.BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Wed Jul 01 1992 19:585
    The 2 Norwich Mondays are Holiday games - Xmas and Easter. BSkyB hasn't
    started to muck around with our fixtures  - yet.
    
    jb.
    
33.747Damn they've got Coventry away!AIMTEC::WICKS_ADEC Mail Works for ME sometimesWed Jul 01 1992 20:4013
    JB,
    
    well it looks like you have the league title already wrapped up...
    (and I say this as a LIverpool supporter)
    because you finish the season away at Coventry which just happened
    to see the league champions 2 of the last 3 seasons.
    
    (who saw the 1990 6-0 or whatever game)
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
                  
33.748On the final straight.BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Fri Jul 03 1992 16:537
33.749Teyy InterferenceBAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Mon Jul 06 1992 14:5511
    BSkyB wanted to show the Leeds-Wombles game on Sunday 16 Aug, but as
    there is a Micheal Jackson concert at Roundhay Park that day / a cycle
    race in Leeds City Centre, the Police have said No.
    
    The Man U v Leeds and Leeds v Villa games in September are live, on the
    Sunday.
    
    No Mondays, and on the box twice till Xmas. The Scousers are on 5
    times.
    
    jb.
33.750News / I'm off.BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Mon Jul 06 1992 18:0816
    
    
    Playes reported back to Elland Road today for pre-season training,
    apart from Batty, Dorigo, McAllister and Cantona, thy some back next
    week. Season ticket sales are 'brisk', totay is the first day of public
    selling.
    
    My Redundancy proposal has been accepted, so I'm off. My last official
    day is 13th July, so my last day in here will be before then. This
    notesfile has been one of the (many) good things about Digital, Digital
    still has good products and great people, but some of the Management
    leaves an awful lot to be disired (in Yorkspeak - utter crap).
    
    Ah'll sithee,
    
    Jon Blythe.
33.751Good luckCHEFS::HOUSEBMon Jul 06 1992 18:357
    Jon,
    
    Your noting will be missed.  A true football reporter and supporter. 
    Good luck in what ever you are doing in the future.
    
    		Brian
    
33.752Best of Luck Jon....MACNAS::JMURPHYIt's a Funny Old Game...Mon Jul 06 1992 20:069
    
    Best of Luck Jon....
    
    Your contributions have always been first class....
    You will be missed by all true football fans...
    I hope you always enjoy supporting Leeds......
    
    jm
    
33.753Good luckGALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Mon Jul 06 1992 22:274
    
    Best of luck Jon.  I'll miss your match reports.
    
    Gary.
33.754So long, Farewell...ZPOVC::KUMARTue Jul 07 1992 05:078
    Good Luck Jon. I'll miss your match reports too. Nothing like the ol'
    Leeds-Liverpool rivalry.
    I hope the 'Pool stuff the Leeds on Charity Shield Day. :-)
    
    
    Best Regards,
    
    Kumar
33.755Good Luck JonESSB::BLONGRumbleows &amp; Euro Super Cup Winners 92Tue Jul 07 1992 13:116
33.756PEKING::JAMANISTue Jul 07 1992 13:1810
    
    Jon,
    
    
    As a Leeds fan stuck in Reading your notes have been an invaluable way
    of getting information about the team.  This will be greatly missed!
    
    Thanks for the notes and good luck for the future.
    
    Shafiq.
33.757farewell to a fellow yorkshiremanKERNEL::HAWLEYIWe're not worthy!Tue Jul 07 1992 13:247
    
    All the best Jon, this conference has lost one of its finest noters and
    a true football fan. At least you had the chance to enjoy your team 
    winning the championship whilst noting in here!
    
    Best of luck in whatever you choose to do,
    Ian.
33.758Sorry to see you go jb.XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsTue Jul 07 1992 13:4310
jb,

Over the past year you have provided many valuable tibbits of information about 
the greatest club in the Universe which would either not appear in the paper
or only appeared in the local rags to this notesfile. You took time off to type 
in lllooonnnggg notes which were always read as they were concise and 
entertaining. We in the football notes community have lost a true servant to the 
cause. Long live the cause. Sorry to see you go jb :*(. Good luck!

                             James.
33.759Its an 88 special with automatic doorsYUPPY::PANESDo it, FruitbatTue Jul 07 1992 14:278
Jb,

All the best. I hope to see you in the '96 Olympics, where Manc baiting
will be an exhibition event.

Aye oop,

Stuart
33.760All the best...KBOMFG::KOEPPETue Jul 07 1992 15:439
    Hi Jon,
          I always enjoyed your comments regardless the topic and you surely
    will leave a big gap in this conference. 
    I'm proud that I had the possibility of meeting you personally 
    (Jul-89, CDD/Plus Support Course, Highfield Park). ;-) :-)
    
    Best wishes for the future
                                                      
    Eduard
33.761WHAT ARE YOU, MEN OR MICE..PEKING::BAREFIELDATue Jul 07 1992 15:516
    
    Whats all this goodbye rubbish, put your hankies away and start talking
    football..
    
    ANDY.B
    
33.762no justice in this world?KERNEL::HAWLEYIWe're not worthy!Tue Jul 07 1992 16:126
33.763and anotherFORTY2::ASHGrahame Ash @REOTue Jul 07 1992 16:224
All the best, Jon. This conf needs more supporters like you and Reading Jeff, 
not less. (Must be nice to spend the money on a European Cup tour though!!)

grahame
33.764NEWOA::MORANWey not likely!!Tue Jul 07 1992 16:2513
    
    
    All the best jb. I hope you find something suitable (better) asap.
    Have you looked at the jobs available at Newbury?
    
    re .761,
    
    Andy, I'm sure you're a nice person really and not the prat you pretend
    to be.
    
    Tim
    
    
33.765BLKPUD::WATTY::WATTERSONPTue Jul 07 1992 16:287
    
    Yeh shut up Andy.... :-)
    
    All the best jb - this conference will be poorer without your slightly
    biased but well informed notes.
    
    Paul
33.766For the record, JB !!ANNECY::ROWLAND_Aa slip of the tongueTue Jul 07 1992 17:1417
    
    First, and foremost, I heartily agree with all the "best wishes, your
    notes will be missed..." OK JB ?
    
    Note 761 got the response it deserved (maybe wanted ? :-) ). The man
    does have a point though. In the first case, it can be annoying,
    especially when you've a lot on, to find that of the 15 unseen notes,
    14 of them say the same thing, nothing to do with football. Secondly,
    and I don't know what the mods think about this, but if filespace is at
    a premium these days (especially for "recreational" conferences),
    then.... say no more.
    
    Perhaps these "Goodbye, We Love You" messages tend to lend themselves
    better to that tried and trusted medium, Email. JMHO, FWIW, and all
    that jazz...
    
    	Adam.   
33.767Old Blythe's AlmanackBAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Tue Jul 07 1992 18:1431
    Well, I've been doing a bit of crysal gazing - it says "Ravenhead", and 
    it's a mirror image, with an amber tinge.
    
    Man U will fail to take the title, they will be ahead after 3 games, 
    and the press will say it's their year, nobody can stop them etc etc. A 
    6-0 reversal at Burnley on the Rum Cup gets whingeing Fergie sacked, 
    and replaced by Graham Taylor. There will be riots in the Salford area, 
    starting at Ordsall and coming east, and Maine Road and Moss Side will 
    be razed, damage is estimated at 10p.
    
    Further west, Liverpool will have another crop of injuries, real or 
    imagined, John Barnes will have as good a season as last. Everton will 
    be like this season - p*ss poor.
    
    Leeds United will get to the last 8 of the European Cup, be there or 
    thereabouts in the League, and do well in the Cups.
    
    Arsenal will be a major force, but they will do a Manc - ie fade 
    rapidly.
    
    Burnley to go straight through Div 2 to Div 1, and Blackburn Rovers 
    will go straight down.
    
    Football in general will get less popular, due to the BSkyB deal and 
    less exposure on terrestial TV.
    
    jb.
    
    
    
    
33.768Thanks.BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Tue Jul 07 1992 18:154
    Thanks to all the punters who have sent good wishes through Vaxmail /
    ALL-IN-1 (look - spelt proper).
    
    jb.
33.769All the best Jon.ESSB::MCUNNIFFEI'M THE BEST FOOTBALLER IN DECTue Jul 07 1992 22:146
  I'd just like to wish you all the best Jon in whatever you do in the 
future. Like myself you have been contributing impartial & unbiased notes
for some time and I have really enjoyed them.

     Cunno
33.770And if you believe that I've a bridge in Brooklyn that..GALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Tue Jul 07 1992 23:178
>================================================================================
>Note 33.769                      Leeds United FC                      769 of 769
>ESSB::MCUNNIFFE "I'M THE BEST FOOTBALLER IN DEC"      6 lines   7-JUL-1992 18:14
    
    Martin, you may get people to believe that TGA is the greatest striker
    in the world but this really takes the bicuit.  :-)
    
    Gary.
33.771BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEBAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Fri Jul 10 1992 14:5626
    Strachan has had a minor operation on his back but should be OK for the
    start of the season. Sellars has rejoined, Speed will replace Strachan
    whwn he conks out. Deane is still linked with the club, Chapman has
    been linked with Everton and Sheff Utd. Sterland is fighting to be fit
    before the start of the season, he is training, but not with the other
    players. Haddock is still unfit, his career may be over.
    
    Bond Holders may apply by post for a CS ticket from 15 to 20 July.
    
    This is my last day, I'm just going to have my 'departure interview'
    with my manager, then I'll be departing to the pub for a pint / off to
    the estate agents to buy a house / pint / curry / pint(s) / go and see
    The Return of Batman.
    
    
    Happy noting all (even 32.....)
    
    jb.
    
    ps ......
    
    
    THE MANCS WILL NEVER WIN THE LEAGUE !!!!!!!!!
    THE MANCS WILL NEVER WIN THE LEAGUE !!!!!!!!!
    THE MANCS WILL NEVER WIN THE LEAGUE !!!!!!!!!
    THE MANCS WILL NEVER WIN THE LEAGUE !!!!!!!!!
33.772EURO draw todayFUTURS::FLETCHERWed Jul 15 1992 15:038
    Couldnt think of anywhere else to put this but..
    
    The draw for the Euro Comps is today. The BEEB said that Radio 5 at 12
    o'clock will have details.
    
    Anyone care to post details?
    
    Nigel
33.773EUROPEAN DRAWSUBURB::VYASWed Jul 15 1992 17:146
    LEEDS DRAWN AGAINST VFG STUATGARTT (SP??), GERMAN CHAMPIONS.
    LIVERPOOL- SOME CYPRUS TEAM
    MAN UNITED TORPIDO MOSCOW
    WEDNESDAY- SOME LUXUMBURG TEAM.
    
    JAY.
33.774And the real countries?AIMTEC::WICKS_ADEC Mail Works for ME sometimesWed Jul 15 1992 21:547
    Jay,
    
    What about the teams from Scotland and Wales?
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
33.775don't raise your interest just yetWELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Thu Jul 16 1992 14:3323
    
    
      Well as mentioned somewhere in this not we have drawn Stuttgart in
    the first round of the European cup away.
    
       We will be playing them on :-   16-Sep-1992     (away) 
                                       30-Sep-1992     (home)
    
    
      We also play them in the semi finals of the Makita competition on
    Aug 1 at Elland Rd. I do not believe that Wilko will show his full hand
    as far as the team goes and was being very cagey about potential new
    signings before the Makita. 
    
        Strachan may not be fit before the start of the season due to his
    back op although he is back doing light training.
    
 
    
    Paul... 
    
    
          
33.776Tough tie ahead of Leeds in European Cup.XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsThu Jul 16 1992 16:018
I was a little disappointed to see that we have drawn the German champions. I was
hoping for a slightly easier draw but if we can't beat this lot we won't even go
close to winning the whole tournement! 

Anyone thinking of going to the away leg. I would be interested in the program if 
so?

                          James.
33.777Any help appreciatedJGODCL::SHERLOCKL.U.F.C. The phoenix has risenThu Jul 16 1992 16:565
    Hi There,
            anybody care to answer my question in 137.10 ?
    
    Thanks 
    Tim
33.778VFB - Leeds U. program...KBOMFG::KOEPPEFri Jul 17 1992 14:475
    Re 33.776:
    
    I might be going, in that case I could get a program for you.
    
    Eduard
33.779WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Fri Jul 17 1992 21:3110
    
    
    James,
    
         I Will get you a program assuming i get a ticket. We haven't
    decided yet whether to fly or drive yet..
    
    
    Paul....
    
33.780Oh C*&^%* and Trevor Steven.XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsTue Jul 21 1992 14:315
33.781Trevor StevenMIACT::MASONTue Jul 21 1992 14:457
    re -1
    
    Leeds are favourites to sign him but Everton are also in the picture.
    The fee is likely to be 3 million, Marseille will lose 2.5 million
    should the deal go through.
    
    J
33.782"Tapie" or not "Tapie" is the question?WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Tue Jul 21 1992 16:3823
    
                             
    
      James,
    
            The reports in the press say that he will be signed today for
    about #2.7 mil. Alan Roberts,  general manager at Elland rd says they
    haven't even put a bid in for Steven, maybe a smoke screen for buying
    someone else?.
        Steven   is reported to be earning about #14,000 a week at O.M.
    and do we really need another midfield player, I would have thought we
    needed a decent striker ?
    
          Leeds open their pre-season friendlies this week with the
    traditional game against Shelborne in Ireland, then i beielve they are
    of to Norway to play Stromgodset Drammen (umlaut over the first
    'R')!!!. Then it's back home for the 2 day makita on the 1 & 2nd of 
     August followed by the Charity Shield on the 8th (1st live match for
    Sky with its new setup).
    
    Paul....
    
    
33.783Off to Dublin tonight.XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsWed Jul 22 1992 12:4515
33.784 Leave Rocastle AloneSIOG::N_DONNELLYWed Jul 22 1992 16:512
    
    
33.785WELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Wed Jul 22 1992 16:594
    
    
    I smell an infiltrator ....
    
33.786RockyESSB::BLONGRumbleows &amp; Euro Super Cup Winners 92Thu Jul 23 1992 12:405
33.787Mini report for last nights matchXSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsThu Jul 23 1992 12:5714
Leeds were very impressive in demolishing Shelbourne in a competitive friendly
at Tolka park last night. Players outstanding included Wallace (2 sharpish goals)
and Sellars. Rocastle was in Tolka last night and confirmed that he had signed
forms of some sort during the day. Leeds 4-1 Shelbourne.

I was told by someone who reads the sun that Wilko is interested in Chris Morris
of Celtic. Are they serious? Its an insult to think that the League champions of
England who even get Morris to lick their boots clean. Morris was and is useless.
I never understood why Charlton had the penchant for him in the Irish team. Maybe
he was one of the only players Charlton knew he could really bully completely.

Full report later, dudes.

                      James.
33.788Not another midfielder???PEKING::JAMANISThu Jul 23 1992 17:1818
    
    
    I don't know why HW is buying another midfielder.  He now has a choice
    of the following players:
    
    Rocastle
    McCalister
    Speed
    Batty
    Sellars
    Strachan
    Hodge
                                                         
    Can anyone shed light on why Rocastle was bought?
    
    Shafiq.
                                                   
    
33.789ARRODS::OHAGANBlive von der documenta 9Thu Jul 23 1992 17:326
    re .last 
    
    Maybe that great visionary Graham Taylor has convinced Wilko that 
    "the boy" Rocastle should be played at right back?
    
    barry. 
33.790Crap player to keep McAllister company ! KIRKTN::JJACKThu Jul 23 1992 18:137
    RE.-2
    
    I agree mate, Morris is crap.
    I'd love Celtic to get rid of him & if it's to Leeds...then all the
    better !
    
    
33.791WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Thu Jul 23 1992 19:0017
    
    
     Rocastle started his career at Arsenal as a winger not as a central
    midfielder which is his position now i believe. Sellars is more of a
    winger than a central midfielder. We do need someone to back up Mel
    Sterland who is still not fully fit, Speedie could fill that position
    which would leave room in midfield.I don't think that this would be a
    long term position for him though.
    
        I can't remember but didn't Leeds WIN their way into Europe and NOT
    through the back door as some teams have done :-) :-)
    
    
    
    Paul...
    
      
33.792I didn't know...XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Jul 27 1992 13:025
It seems that Leeds gave a free transfer to Brendan Ormsby last week. I didn't 
know we ever had him! Still have to put in a report on the match from Shels last
week. Haven't forgot.

                           James.
33.793Marching onRUTILE::BOYESMon Jul 27 1992 16:4113
    Ormsby was Captain when we played Coventry in the F.A. Cup semi-final
    at Hilsborough (1987?). He gave the ball away in our penalty area
    causing one of the Coventry goals - large blunder. Shortly after that
    he received a crippling knee injury and spent a lot of time down at
    Lillishall undergoing treatment - but it never really worked.
    
    Has Rocastle officially signed ?
    
    Was the Makita tournament last weekend, or is it the current weekend ?
    It'll be interesting to see what team we play against Stuttgart.
    
    
    Clive.
33.794-< Haddock retires >-< Haddock retires >Haddock Retires !!!WELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Tue Jul 28 1992 19:5418
    
    
        Peter Haddock has been told that his career is over he will no
    longer play for Leeds Utd due to the injury sustained in the match with
    Man U 17 months ago. Specialists have advised him that if he plays any
    more then he risks being crippled. the knee which he injured has had
    arthritis set in amongst other problems,and has only stood up to one and a
    half reserve games in 17 mths.  
         This injury has put more emphasis on Wilko getting in a right back
    which i believe he must go for.We did at one point have interest in
     Gary Charles of forest, anyone know of that ?
    
       Re -.1  The makita tournament is this weekend k.o. 1.00 p.m.
    
    
    
    
    paul..
33.795Sad to see Peter go.XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsTue Jul 28 1992 21:0512
33.796NEWOA::MORANTimmy 'Five Bellies' Tue Jul 28 1992 21:1310
    re -1 
    
    <			He was shaping up to be a very good right back.>
    
    
    I thought that as well, about 10 years ago (whilst at Newcastle), but
    he's always been a nearly man. Dependable though. I hope he gets a
    testimonial, maybe against Newcastle.
    
    Tim
33.797ESSB::BLONGRumbleows &amp; Euro Super Cup Winners 92Wed Jul 29 1992 16:077
33.798Sorry. Benefit of the doubt!XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsWed Jul 29 1992 22:448
Re:: -1

Brian,

I meant to say which United played was involved in the collision which injured 
him.

                            James.
33.799Match report of the Leeds-Shels game Wednesday 22th July 1992.XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsWed Jul 29 1992 22:45109
33.800Batty Bites Yer BackRUTILE::BOYESMon Aug 03 1992 20:4718
    Sampadoria 1 - Leeds 0
    
    Just been talking to my brother about this game. He said it was much
    more competitive and enjoyable than the average friendly. One of the
    best bits was when Batts elbowed a Sampadoria player and up-ended him
    over the advertising hording. The whole of the Samp. bench then ran
    towards Batty who wondered what all the fuss was about. Chris Whyte
    came to his assistance and the ref. calmed everything down - asking
    Howard W. if he would sub. Batts for the good of the game! This seemed
    to piss Howard off.
    
    Stuttgart are nothing to be feared.
    
    Apparently Rocky played very well - and looks a good signing.
    
    Roll-on this Saturday.  Leeds 3 (OOh-Ah,Hodge & Chappeee) - Liverpool 1.
    
    Clive.
33.801Ho Ho!ARRODS::OHAGANBDad forgives dog that ate sonMon Aug 03 1992 21:198
    I really can't get my head round Leeds fans calling Rocastle, Rocky,
    for sentimental reasons. So how's about this. Since he was our
    Rocky first, you can call him Rocky II.
    
    8^)
    
    barry.
       
33.802More on MakitaFORTY2::ASHGrahame Ash @REOTue Aug 04 1992 15:457
Interesting to see how 'keen' the Leeds public were to see 2 top-class 
European sides taking on their own side and Forest - 10 000 on Sat and 17 000 
on Sunday. 

A lot of good football played, and just about the right results, I thought.

grahame
33.803Visit to sunny Brummy?SUBURB::YOUNGA1Tue Aug 04 1992 20:3417
    Greetings
    
    
    We scummy D.M.O. Leeds fans will be travelling to
     Aston Villa for the game on Weds 19th.  We are looking
      for 1/2 of similar interest to share travelling costs.
       Bimbos will get preference.  Photos in a plain brown
        envelope to Jason or Dusty at D1.
    
    Cheers
    Dust			{}_-_{}
    				( o o )
    				 ( % )
    				   U
    
    
    
33.804errrr....TRUCKS::SANTlurching from disaster to apocalypse..Tue Aug 04 1992 20:424
33.805Charity ShieldAYOV14::DDIAMONDWed Aug 05 1992 12:229
    
    It looks like Saturday's game will be blacked out on Sky Sports. The
    S.F.A. have objected due to the Scottish games on at that time. They
    have also indicated that the same problems may arise during the season
    when Sky hope to show Premier League games.
                                                
                                                  
                                                   
                                                   David.
33.806Anyone heard...XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsWed Aug 05 1992 15:057
I heard that Wilko according to the sun is interested in some players, both of 
the same team. I know nothing else. Can anyone help with the rumour, or the 
amount of truth in it? 

Is anyone interested in any Leeds players as transfer targets at all?

                             James.
33.807More info please??WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Thu Aug 06 1992 14:178
    
    
      james,  
    
            What players a hint would help !!!.
    
                                             paul...
    
33.808Keep yer shirt on!!!!WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Thu Aug 06 1992 14:2613
    
    
    
        James BTW,
                  Leeds won against Stromgodset last night 2-0 goals from
    McAllister and Cantona in the second half.
       Strachan came on in the second half and completely changed the game.
     We had two injuries last night who may miss the Charity shield on
     saturday,  they were Tony Dorigo and Scott Sellars.
    
    
    Paul...
    
33.809I have absolutely no idea, honest!XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsThu Aug 06 1992 20:3210
Paul,

I have absolutely no idea the players except, the name Nunn seems to ring a bell. 
Not having read the article I was relyed on the news by a WHU fan who has no 
interest in Leeds. Heathen!

It seems that nobody in this conference reads the sun (small mercies). What are 
the chances the sun are correct anyhow with what they said anyhow?

                                James.
33.810CASEE::MERRICKAspiring to a writers block...Fri Aug 07 1992 14:042
    Leeds have signed Frank Strandli, a 19-yr old striker from Norwegian
    club IK Start.
33.811Ooh aah Cantona :-)GIDDAY::PARSONSLUFC Charity Shield Winners 92Mon Aug 10 1992 11:558
    
    Charity Shield :
    
    Leeds United    (2) 4   Liverpool    (1) 3
    
    Cantona 3               Rush
    Dorigo                  Saunders
                            Strachan o.g.
33.812Two in a rowESSB::SONEILLMon Aug 10 1992 18:145
    What a pity the best Charity Shield final in years wasn't on TV for the
    average punter.  Leeds look good for another run at the title this
    season.
    
    Shane
33.813I see in the sun.XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsWed Aug 12 1992 14:4215
33.814Cystal Balls ?GIDDAY::PARSONSLUFC Charity Shield Winners 92Fri Aug 14 1992 08:1935
    
    Well I guess it's time for predictions again :
    
    Targets for Howard this season should be - European Cup Quarter-Finals,
    Top 3 in the league, qualify for Europe next season
    
    I reckon :-
    
    Arsenal to win the league
    Coventry and Southampton to get relegated
    England to draw 0-0 in every game
    AC Milan to enter two (or three) teams in the 93-94 European Cup
    Blackburn to buy the entire Arsenal team for 60 million pounds after
     they have won the league
    Not a single premier division game to be shown 'live' because the
     Scottish F.A. object.
    ITV to get higher ratings than SKY for their televised games
    FIFA to alter the backpass law on a week-to-week basis
    F.A. Cup Final and both semi-finals to be settled on penalty shoot-outs
    Liverpool unable to field a full strength side once in the whole season
    David Batty to score THREE times in a season (but only once on the
     pitch)
    Ron Atkinson to complete his buying of the Liverpool 1988 team
    Crystal Palace to complete the sale of their team, manager, ground,
     fans ...
    Wimbledon to record the first sub-1000 attendence in the Premier
     Division
    The average height of the Everton forward line to shrink to 4' 8"
    Brian Clough to retire and become Lord Mayor of Nottingham 3 times
    Jimmy Hill to be punched by Terry Venebales 
    Blackburn to sign "Saint & Greavsie" for 3.3 million
    
    ... and Luton to be relegated to Division 2 !!!
    
    ;-)
33.815What I think.XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsFri Aug 14 1992 17:2928
Re:: -1

Excellent stuff!

Well my predictions are a little more mundane. 

I think that Leeds can win the league again this year. But if they do they 
will probably win it because nobody else will be able to put together a 
sustained run throughout the whole season. Leeds are very strong at home and will
be incredibly hard to beat there (fingers crossed) and have built up a solid away
record in the championship season. 

However as always to win the league you need to beat all the other "big boys" 
i.e. MUFC, Arsenal, Liverpool, something not really done by Leeds last season. 
Leeds, too, have their bogey sides also Palace, QPR, MUFC who we haven't done so 
well against since our return. This will change this season if success is to be
expected. 

The experience gained by the players and the manager last year will help the team
out a lot when it come to the crunch this season. I expect a good cup run in at 
least one of the three cup competitions. Not all of them together for our sake. 
Personally I don't think there is one single club that stands out at the moment 
as real champions elect and I hope to be proved correct by Christmas, where no 
one club will be acres ahead of the pack.

Long live Leeds :-).

                                James.
33.816 Leeds ! Leeds ! Leeds !ISEQ::MKEENANMon Aug 17 1992 16:305
    
    In the opening week of the new Premier League Leeds win............
    and Arsenal,Liverpool, and Manchester United all lose!!!!!!!
    
    MK.
33.817TreasureULYSSE::CHAMPOLLIONCan-tas-tikMon Aug 17 1992 17:225
33.818Here we goESSB::SONEILLMon Aug 17 1992 18:087
    Yes I agree that it couldn't have been a better start to the season.
    Two goals from the most reliable striker in the league.
    
    The latest from the Old Trafford faithful is that it's better to start
    slow this year and lose a few games early on -:)  Only 40+ games to go!
    
    Shane
33.819Any news will doRUTILE::BOYESMon Aug 17 1992 18:525
    Anyone have a match report please...
    
    Clive.
    
    (Kopite (right side) in Geneva)
33.8201 down 41 to go WELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Mon Aug 17 1992 22:2954
    
    
    
     well as jon has gone i'll have to do some sort of match report!!!
    
        Got to Leeds late (2.00 O'clock) so missed meeting Jon Blythe for a
    drink before the match. Leeds started well with Chapman on great form
    playing up front with Cantona. Chappie could have had three in the
    first 20 mins but for Segers and the woodwork.
       Batty for all people say about him had a very good first half
    controlling midfield mainly playing balls out to the left wing and
    Wallace. Leeds seemed to cope with the new back pass rule better than
    Wimbledon, when a pass to Lukic was needed then either Dorigo or Newsome
    ran to the touchline level with the 18 yard box to receive the return.
      The same could not be said about Leeds first goal and Roger Joseph's
    uncertainty when he receved the ball facing goal just outside the six
    yard area he hesitated and in went Chapman to run down the six yard
    line to find a shot at goal .
       The equaliser well, what can you say, Warren Barton claims he was
    going for goal (well he would do would't he!!) a 40 yard cross that got
    caught in the wind is what i would call it., Lukic was off his line out
    of the 6 yard box and as soon as he started back peddlin' you just Knew
    it was gonna be one of those fluke goals 1-1.
      Batty went off at half time with ankle probs, he's been told to rest
    for 2 days and may not make the Villa game on Weds. We lost our
    direction in the second half without Batty, Hodge had come on for him
    and Hodge roves about the park a bit more and we lost the shape and
    control of midfield, although Hodge did have a well taken goal
    disallowed but it was offside. 
       Strachan came on with ten mins to go and the team started to play
    with purpose again, we had a penalty refused for a blatent foul on
    Wallace , Segers came to collect a high ball in the middle of the 18
    yard box and missed it, the ball fell at the corner of the 18 yard box
    to Rod Wallace who turned his back to goal Segers went after the ball
    pushed Wallace in the back to the floor with BOTH ,collected the
    ball and the ref said no penalty??  to which the Leeds fans chanted
    who's the @!st&*# in the green.
       The last goal came 4 mins from time with a flick on from Cantona's
    head to Chapman just inside the 18 yard box on the right to control and
    volley to the top right of Segers goal who just got a hand to it.
    
      There was an amusing incident where we DID get caught inside the box
    for a backpass from Fairclough to Lukic and the free kick had ALL the
    Utd players on the goal line with Lukic standing in front of them,
    crazy!!!
       Sellars is fit for the game on Weds at villa and i suspect that
    either he or Rocastle will be chosen for that game in place of Batts,
      Newsome is troubled by a calf strain picked up in the Charity Shield,
    Dorigo is is still suffering from a twisted knee but should be fit.
    
    more later 
    
    paul....  
                                                                      
33.821At least we don't get Jimmy Hill over here !GIDDAY::PARSONSLUFC Charity Shield Winners 92Tue Aug 18 1992 11:4620
    
    Well I saw extended highlights of the Wombles game last night over
    here. Leeds looked really good in the 1st half, they should have led
    by a lot more than 1-0 at half-time. They seemed to lose their way 
    in the 2nd half. There is no way Barton's goal was planned, it was 
    an up-and-under into the penalty area that carried too far !
    
    Other observations from the highlights of the other games :
    
    Referees playing in green look daft, almost as bad as Liverpool's
    away strip (which at least makes referees play in black).
    Forest win the prize for the worst new strip. It looks vintage
    1982 style with the pin stripes that were 'fashionable' then.
    The new backpass rule will probably suit Graham Taylor's England
    style of kick-and-rush. Who needs a midfield if your defence/goalkeeper
    can hoof it over the opposing defence and you have a fast forward
    line to chase ?
    
    Will Tony Adams remember which end of Highbury has the 'live' Arsenal
    fans to wave to before the end of the season ?  ;-)
33.822FORTY2::ROBERTSONYou don't wanna do it like that !!!!Tue Aug 18 1992 14:4111
>      There was an amusing incident where we DID get caught inside the box
>    for a backpass from Fairclough to Lukic and the free kick had ALL the
>    Utd players on the goal line with Lukic standing in front of them,
>    crazy!!!
Paul,

Not meaning to split hairs but wasn't this free kick given for a high boot,
I believe it was White's. This apart, the new rule is certainly going to give the
beginning of the season some entertaining moments.

Al
33.823WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Wed Aug 19 1992 21:3217
    
    
      re -.1
       Al you are completely correct it was an indirect free kick for 
    dangerous play by Chris Whyte, must have had one to many at the pub
    before hand !!!!.
    
    
      Batty is still doubtful for tonight's game and faces a late fitness
    test.
       Leeds won the same game last year at Villa 4-1 (on the box), i
    wonder if Wilko is going to use the same man marking system that he
    used last time with  Fairclough and Dorigo possibly covering
    Yorke and  Arfur Daley respectively ?
    
      Should be an entertaining game and i predict 2-1 to Leeds .
    
33.824Paul ?PLUNDR::BODDYcome on BOROThu Aug 20 1992 15:103
    
    
    So how many of you Leeds fans are coming to Ayresome Park on Saturday ?
33.825That far north makes me dizzy!!!WELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Fri Aug 21 1992 00:4324
    
    
    
       Bill, nice to see you in the first division, we won't be as easy a
    pushover as Man city the other night.
    
       Unfortunately i will not be gong to the game at 'boro, i was hoping
    to but the other two people i go with are on holiday and working so i
    didn't fancy travelling up on me own to be amongst all those N/E hard
    men!!!.
    
        Will you be going ,will you come to Elland Rd (30th jan), let me know if
    you are and i'll meet up with you as i've got my season ticket again
    this year.I only missed about 4-6 games in total last season home and
    away and as it was a bit of a drain on cash we decided to cut down the
    number of away games we went to this season.
    
       Middlesbrough are doing well and it should be a good game, but if you
    stick to the old formula of draw away and win at home you won't be far
    of the title eh!.                 
    
      keep in touch   paul...
    
    
33.826Boro MatchPLUNDR::BODDYcome on BOROFri Aug 21 1992 17:5116
    
    Paul ,
    
    Yeah I'll be there tomorrow and at Elland road on the 30th January .
    
    That's if I can get a ticket . Are Leeds still giving away fans about
    2000 standing ? I should be ok though having a season ticket .
    
    By the way I can remember your face and about how you are a "long
    distance fan" ( read the latest note topic ) . But it's been bugging
    the hell out of me what course we were on together .
    
    Anyway it should be a great game tomorrow and if we can beat City then
    Leeds should be EEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSYYYYYYYYYYY !!!!!!!!!
    
    Bill .
33.827statistics say it allWELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Fri Aug 21 1992 19:2829
    
    
    
      Bill if you can't get a ticket then i can get you one for the Leeds
     end if you want!!!!.
    
       I was trying to think of the last time i was on a course and i
    don't think i was actually on a course with you but was introduced to
    you by a guy from the Leeds office who was a site ressy with a Mazda
    323. Iwas on the Ultrix Level I couse i seem to remember. You told me
    how the Middlesbrough notes were defunct is that still the same or have
    you resurrected them.
                                                           
        Leeds will have a capacity of 40,000 all seater next season and
    will be giving more tickets to away fans whoever (even mancs!), but as
    for this year i don't know the average they have been giving so far.
    
     I think you're a little optimistic about the 'Boro winning, a draw will
    suit me but a win would be OHHHH SOOOOO NICE!!!!.
    
    
     BTW. heres a snippet of useless info :- in the last 5 years the team
    that has won the championship has not lost more than 6 games over the
    whole season and you have to go back to 1976 for teams that lost
     more than 8 games to become champions Man U and Arsenal are fast using
    up there 6 lives with another 40 games to go!!!!!!.
       
      See ya soon Paul....
     
33.828Boro 4 Leeds 1PLUNDR::BODDYcome on BOROMon Aug 24 1992 13:1910
    
    
    "One season wonders , your only one season wonders " was the chorus
    from the Holgate on Saturday .
    
    I afraid Boro gave Leeds a lesson on Saturday in football .
    
    Anyway I won't say too much about this one other than " one life gone "
    
    Bill
33.829Lets see!XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Aug 24 1992 15:4610
Re -1

All that counts is whose is on top at the end of the season. If 'boro are tops 
then you may crow otherwise I think it would be better to keep quiet just in 
case they collapse, like other teams that come to mind at this moment.

I will bide my time and am certain that I will see Leeds back up there come 
next May. He who laughs last will laugh loudest :-).

                                 James.
33.830Hurricane Andrew hit Leeds!!WELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Mon Aug 24 1992 21:1319
    
    
    Bill, 
    
           Looks like hurricane Andrew hit the north and Leeds on saturday,
       I listened to the commentary on good 'ole radio 5 and we were'nt
    even in the match but somewhere else. I don't know what lennie said to
    'Boro before the game but he certainly got them fired up.
    
      Leeds were bplaying flat across the back with Boro' playing the ball
    behind the defence and catching us every time, Wilkinson played very
    well as did the ex Leeds players Tommy Wright and john Hendrie.
     All credit to Middlesbrough for a good result, lets hope as with last
    season that when we got hit with this sort of defeat we normally turn
    in a good performance the following game to bounce back.That i believe
    is Tottenham tomorrow night and i will be there to see if we can shake
    off the defeat from saturday.
    
    paul... 
33.831Bobby is gone.XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Aug 24 1992 22:0310
33.832Sold for peanutsWELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Tue Aug 25 1992 17:3919
    
    
    
        James,
              We did seem to give our players away in those days, there was
    an article in the program against Wimbledon a  week or so ago giving the
    run down of the Leeds team v Wimbledon in Dec 1984, it reads :-
       
      Harvey,Irwin,Hamson,Sellars,Linighan,Aspin,(Tommy)Wright,Sheridan,
    Ritchie,Lorimer(subbed by Roger Eli) and Frank Gray,Eddie Gray was manager.
    
     Most of these players were sold for poultry summs and are currently
    with premier league teams Dennis Irwin, Andy Ritchie, Tommy Wright John
    Sheridan, Scott Sellars is the only one who is now back at Leeds, wish
    we had kept hold of some of the others though eh??  We might need them
    tonight !!!!
    
    Paul...
     
33.833er, I think that should read "paltry sums"...;-)TRUCKS::SANTlurching from disaster to apocalypse..Tue Aug 25 1992 17:556
    
    	re last...
    	
    	>poultry sums.....
    
    	8-) 8-) brilliant. Freudian, perchance?
33.834Aspin.. where did he go???EICMFG::HOWEAlice in ordnungTue Aug 25 1992 18:008
    re .832
    
    Whatever happened to Neil Aspin ?? Just curious as I used to play in
    the same boys club team. Redheugh Boys Club, the club that produced
    players such as Gazza and David Hodgson (Ex Liverpool), and computer
    contractors who seem over the years to have lost all their skills.. 8-)
    
    Keith.
33.83520 miles an hourRUTILE::BOYESTue Aug 25 1992 19:111
    Wish we'd kept hold of that Lorimer. He'd be useful tonight.
33.836Aspin query.XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsTue Aug 25 1992 20:538
Re -2

I think that he played for a while when Wilko came but then as Wilko bought 
better players he melted away. I think he got a testimonial from the club?
If jb was around he could tell you for sure :-(.

                                 James.

33.837aspinPEKING::JAMANISTue Aug 25 1992 20:589
    
    re -1
    
    
    I think Aspin was sold to one of the Bristol teams!
    
    
    Shafiq
    
33.838Empire Strikes BackGIDDAY::PARSONSLUFC Charity Shield Winners 92Wed Aug 26 1992 05:206
    
    
    Leeds United  5  Tottenham Hotspur  0
    
    Good to see Leeds have kept last seasons habit of bouncing back
    from a bad away defeat.
33.839 LEEDS! LEEDS! LEEDS!ISEQ::MKEENANWed Aug 26 1992 13:517
    
    5-0...    BRILLIANT!!!!!
    
    Anyone know who scored?
    
    MK.
    
33.840scorersREPAIR::JAMANILeeds United Champions 91-92Wed Aug 26 1992 13:5313
    
    
    The scorers were:
    
    Wallace 19 minutes
    Cantona 26, 31 and 47
    Chapman 66
    
    
    Shafiq
    
    
    
33.841Lots of doom and gloom?XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsWed Aug 26 1992 21:4118
Not in this note mind. It looks very gloomy for Spurs after the 0-5 drubbing at 
the hands of an excellent Leeds team last night. 

It a while since we have won so convincingly at home. Remember the 6-0, Oldham,
about 6/7 years ago. Amazing how we can bounce back after a crusihng away defeat 
and win so well. 

Though its going to be a LONG season with a plethora of games in the league and
all the cups to come. We will need as big a panel of players as possible. I think
it would be advisable for Wilko to give as many of the peripheral players a run
as possible. The likes of Wetherall, Rocastle ;-0, Kelly, Sterland all need to
get match practice *if possible* as there will inevitably be injuries along the
line during a long tough season. 

I am licking my lips at Liverpool coming into Leeds on Saturday. We will destroy
them. I feel it.

                              James.
33.842List of players for season 1992-93.XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsWed Aug 26 1992 21:5441
Anyone missing please mail me to include them. This list found in the soccer
annual (news of the screws).

                           James.


Name             Height      Prev Club           Birthplace        Birthdate

Goalkeepers

Mervyn Day        6-02       Aston Villa         Chelmsford        26-06-55
John Lukic        6-04       Arsenal             Chesterfield      11-12-60

Defenders

Tony Dorigo       5-10       Chelsea             Melbourne         31-12-65
Chris Fairclough  5-11       Tottenham           Nottingham        12-04-65
Dylan Kerr        5-11       Shepherds           Valletta          14-01-67
Jon Newsome       6-02       Sheff Wed.          Sheffield         06-09-70
Mel Sterland      5-10       Rangers             Sheffield         01-10-61
Ray Wallace       5-06       Southampton         Lewisham          02-10-69
David Wetherall   6-03       Sheff Wed.          Sheffield         14-03-71
Chris Whyte       6-01       W.B.A               London            02-09-61

Midfield

David Batty       5-07         -                 Leeds             02-12-68
Steve Hodge       5-11       Notts For.          Nottingham        25-10-62
Gary McAllister   5-10       Leicester           Motherwell        25-12-64
David Rocastle    5-09       Arsenal             Lewisham          02-05-67
Gary Speed        5-09         -                 Harwarden         08-09-69
Gordon Strachan   5-06       Man Utd.            Edinburgh         09-02-57

Forwards

Eric Cantona      6-00       Nimes               Marseille         24-05-66
Lee Chapman       6-03       Notts For.          Lincoln           05-12-59
Gary Kelly         -           -                   -                 -
Carl Shutt        5-10       Bristol City        Sheffield         10-10-61
Imre Varadi       5-08       Sheff Wed.          Paddington        08-07-59
Rod Wallace       5-07       Southampton         Lewisham          02-10-69
33.843Leage appearances for last season!XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsWed Aug 26 1992 22:0634
Did you know that the championship winning club get 18 medals from the football
league. 13 for the players, 1 each for the Manager and the Physio and 2 others
for distribution between between the other players. I don't know how the split 
went but on the figures below they should have gone to Newsome and Cantona just
about as he played as a sub one more time than Shutt did.

                               James.

       played            sub          goals

Agana       1              1             -
Batty      40              -             2
Cantona     6              9             3
Chapman    38              -            16
Davison     -              2             -
Dorigo     38              -             3
Fairclough 30              1             2
Hodge      12             11             7
Kamara      -              2             -
Kelly       -              2             -
Lukic      42              -             -
McAllister 41              1             5
McClelland 16              2             -
Newsome     7              3             2
Shutt       6              8             1
Speed      41              -             7
Sterland   29              2             6
Strachan   35              1             4
Varadi      2              1             -
Wallace    34              -            11
Wetherall   -              1             -
Whitlow     3              7             1
Whyte      41              -             1
Oppenents   -              -             3 
33.844missed one!!WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Wed Aug 26 1992 23:118
    
    
    
      James,
       What about Scott Sellars...?
          
              paul.....
    
33.845Stuttgart infoWELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Thu Aug 27 1992 14:4736
    James,
    
       Forgot to mention that i got my ticket for the Stuttgart game when i
    went to see Spurs get destroyed the other night.There are two tickets
    for the different travel types (air #199, coach #99), you cannot get a
    ticket for the game UNLESS you have bought the associated travel
    ticket,and Leeds are being VERY strict on this. 
    
       The air ticket goes from Manchester airport on 16th getting into
    Stuttgart about 13:00, so you must travel to Leeds to get a shuttle bus
    to Manchester. The plane flies back at 23:45 on the 16th and arrives
    back about 02:00 on the 17th.
    
      The coaches leaves Elland rd at 00:00 on the 16th and takes 17
    hrs!!,there are also some coaches going from London but i don't know
    what time yet. The coach gets into Stuttgart about 17:00 and leaves
    promtly after the game. The coach trip from London will be about 4 hrs
    less than the Leeds one so i have opted for this rather than fly and
    have to travel for 3 plus hours after getting back to Manchester.
    
      Leeds have been given 3600 tickets and up until the Spurs game only
    300 !! had been sold, i for one had to think is it worth it, as i would
    have liked to stay in Germany for a couple of days at least but with
    this scheme it just isn't possible.
    
      Ticket prices are 5.00 standing and 8.00 seating (8.00 off the whole
    price if you are a bond holder).
    
      i'm looking forward to the game but not the coach trip lets hope it
    all worth it.
    
     P.S. you must be a premier card holder to get ticket.
    
    
    
     Paul....                                               
33.846I wondered why I needed a premier cardXSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsThu Aug 27 1992 14:5410
33.847'Cos your in the premier division !!!WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Thu Aug 27 1992 15:3615
    re -.1
     
      James, it is the only way to get away tickets this season, as it has
    been for the last few years. If you cannot produce a premier card with
    your ticket when trying to get into an away game then they take the ticket
     number and can trace back whose premier card was used to buy the ticket,
     upon finding that info IF you are a season ticket holder thay will take the
    season ticket away and you will be banned without compensation, so the
    Golden rule is DON'T buy a ticket with your premier card for someone else
     to go to an away game if you can't go yourself, it could leave you
    bulloxed!!!!
    
    Paul...
        
    
33.848scunthopre in coca cola cupPEKING::JAMANISThu Aug 27 1992 16:186
    
    
    Leeds have got Scunthorpe in the Coca Cola Cup.
    
    
    Shafiq.
33.849Makes me seethRUTILE::BOYESThu Aug 27 1992 17:5219
    RE: STUTTGART
    
    It pisses me off that as a bondholder, season ticket holder and premier
    card holder that I cannot just buy a ticket - especially when I only
    live 4hrs drive from Stuttgart. Anyone who pays 199 quid for a night's
    football is mad - and the bus journey will be purgatory. 
    
    It makes more sense for Leeds to arrange to show the game in local
    cinemas / University / Tetley Banqueting Suite, like they did for the
    Bournmouth match. I'm sure they'll do this.
    
    I can also understand why they are taking such precautions, remembering
    our last little escapade in Paris.
                
    Will Eurosport be showing the game ?
    
    Hope to be at the second (more interesting) leg at Eland Rd. anyway.
    
    Clive.                                                   
33.850Coca Cola what?XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsThu Aug 27 1992 18:299
re -2 

Shafiq,

Is that the new name for the league cup? Didn't we play them last year at the 
same stage. Weren't too impressive but have a good home win to coast through.
Should be an easy advance to the third round :-\.

                                 James.
33.851REPAIR::JAMANILeeds United Champions 91-92Thu Aug 27 1992 20:1514
    
    
    re-1
    
    Yep, Rumbalows pulled out of the sponsorship of the League cup and
    were replaced by Coca Cola.
    
    I think you are right Leeds did play Scunthorpe last year and won the home 
    leg 3-0. 
    
    
    
    Shafiq.
    
33.852Probably RTL+WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Fri Aug 28 1992 00:5818
                                              
    
      Re a few back, Clive, i am also a little miffed about the situation as
    a few of us could have taken a car across for a damn site less than
    they are charging fore the air fare.As for the tickets  i was under the
    impression (from the forms that came with it ),that when i bought my
     bond  bond holders would get first refusal.
    
       The Pool (again) on saturday and i can't see Wilko changing from the
    squad he put out on tuesday possibly still no debut for Rocastle or
    Sellars.
    
    BTW the game will be on either ITV or BBC, Leeds haven't worked out how
    much they are going to charge or who will show their games yet, the
    money will be supplementary to everything else they are already
    getting!!!!!
    
    Paul.... 
33.853Where do you live Clive????? KBOMFG::TANNERWe're one, but we're not the sameFri Aug 28 1992 14:069
   Clive if you live only four hours drive from Stuttgart, then maybe you can
also pick up German TV. Iam sure the game will be shown live, either on ZDF/ARD
or SAT 1 with a small possibility of RTL showing it. Austrian TV might be also
showing it....

                                                                  regards..
                                                                          
                                                       -dave-     
33.854nearly ate my hat :-(.XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Aug 31 1992 19:1537
Leeds 2 - 2 Liverpool

Exciting game with a high level of commitment but nearly nothing for Leeds from 
the game. Leeds opened very brightly and were a goal up inside 10 minutes with a
superb shot from McAllister. Leeds kept up the pressure but some excellent 
keeping from James (who I didn't realise is 6' 5'' tall) keeping Cantona out. 
Whelan squeezed an equalizer before half-time (less that 10 seconds left) when
he caught Lukic off his line :-(. Grudgingly, a great goal to but then I am 
biased.

Leeds went to pieces in the second half and with some boneless play from Batty
who thought he became a ball player tried to juggle the ball out of his penalty
area. Ball came across the area from his foolishness and a penalty resulted when 
a liverpool man was tripped. Molby blasted the ball to the goal. He needed to as 
Lukic was down a split second afterwards. Leeds became desperate and were 
rewarded when James made an error of judgement by coming out for a ball from a 
corner. 3 minutes left. Chapman was on hand to head it in. 

Chapman was then robbed of what would have been a famous victory when the Ref.
disallowed a good goal. All Chapman did was get a defender out of the way ;-). 
The defender wan't going anywhere so Chappie says to himself, he's mine. It 
created an embarrassing situation for me as I was in the midst of a deserted 
pub and they thought I was demented when the 3th goal went in. I wouldn't mind 
if it was allowed. I can't go into that pub again after that incident. Ref. you 
have a lot to answer for.

Overall impressions of the game. Goodbye gobbler, your days are well and truly 
numbered at the 'pool. Liverpool will concede too many goals this season to be
in the shakeup. Leeds on the other hand blew very hot and cold, great when things
were going their way but poor when backpeddling. Watch the offside trap, the 
cause of the first goal, fragile defending. McAllister isn't a Strachan, he 
doesn't put in the work rate and doesn't seem to have the enthusiasm of Strachan.
Newsome is still green, He has only played 12 first team game as yet. Has already
been identified as being a weak link in the defence. Home record still intact 
:-), just though.

                                 James.
33.855Leeds on ITVREPAIR::JAMANILeeds United Champions 91-92Tue Sep 01 1992 16:2010
33.856Late,late show...AYOV14::DDIAMONDWed Sep 02 1992 11:5110
     
                       OLDHAM 2      LEEDS 2
                       (Olney 85,92) (Cantona 54,76)
    
    It looked as if we were moving into 2nd top spot then disaster struck.
    Wilko said after last night's game "I thought Premier League matches
    only lasted 90 minutes ".
    
                                      
                                                           David.
33.857Nice stand shame about the floodlights!!!WELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Wed Sep 02 1992 18:1014
    
    
    I was there with my dad who is a season ticket holder at Oldham.
    They played at least two and a half minutes of extra time when there
    were no injuries in the second half, but the rule of thumb always
    applies, you play until the whistle is blown and DON'T sit back on a
    lead no matter how great.In the end Oldahm deserved a draw and the
    payment for the pints afterward was shared.When will we get rid of
    this hoodoo that Oldham have over us in,  63 years we have only won once
    at Boundary park!!!!!!!
    
       Paul.....
    
    
33.858Wilko must have been :-@ after game last nightXSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsWed Sep 02 1992 20:039
33.859ITV Euro rightsMACNAS::GBEATTYYou get that in yeThu Sep 03 1992 21:197
    > .855
    
    	ITV have got involved in a deal with U.E.F.A.
    They have the rights to show any quarter and semi 
    final of their choice (Not sure which cup).
    
    Gar. 
33.860PLUNDR::BODDYSlaven was born offsideSun Sep 06 1992 23:517
    Sunday 6th September......
    
    
    Manchester Utd. 2 - Leeds Utd. 0
    Kanchelskis
    Bruce
    
33.861The game ends at the final whistle!SAC::MAGUIRE_GMon Sep 07 1992 19:1212
    
    Re .857 yes it has been some time since Leeds won in the league at
    Boundary Park the last time they won I was there a certain Andy Ritchie
    scored the goal after Goram had dropped the ball at his feet.
    
    Oldham once played nine minutes injury time one at Newcastle with
    Magpies scoring the winner in the 97th minute. You have to play until
    the final whistle I am afraid. Still you could get your revenge on
    February 13th at Elland Road.
    
    G.
    
33.862Hello anyone out there?JOBBIE::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsFri Sep 11 1992 17:2120
Looks like we are playing Villa at home tomorrow. But wait, didn't we play
them only last month, or is my memory failing? Don't think so. What's the deal
playing the return so soon after the original match. That, IMFHO is unfair on
one or both teams. It means that if one team is on a roll that they will beat
the same team twice in a short duration of time, or lose as the case may be! 

Big win expected tomorrow as per any previous loss. Dissappointed about
Sundays match. Could be the end of the road for Strachan, he didn't play too
well. 

Where is Rocastle? Where is Sellars? How is Wallace? I'd say he was a bit
pissed at getting injured just as he was about to make his debut for England.
Hope his injury isn't too serious. 

If things don't start to happen soon in the league Wilko will probably start
to put more emphasis on the Cups! The League is really so difficult to win and
sometimes it isn't worth the effort when it will be easier (ralatively
speaking) to win a cup. 

                                  James. 
33.863Are you sure ???OPG::TONYFri Sep 11 1992 18:1318
Isnt the Villa game on SKY on Sunday ??


>If things don't start to happen soon in the league Wilko will probably start
>to put more emphasis on the Cups! The League is really so difficult to win and
>sometimes it isn't worth the effort when it will be easier (ralatively
>speaking) to win a cup. 

Of course you guys should know.... Your record in Cups is something like

FA cup winners once 1972
League Cup Winners once 1968

All of a sudden winning CUPs is the easiest thing in the World...!!!

Good luck..

Tony
33.864WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Fri Sep 11 1992 18:4415
    
    
    
      Re:-  .1
    
    
          you really shouldn't set yourself up for something like this  but
       Man U's record in THE cup (league championship) is what counts, and
    i rest my case on behalf of LUFC.
    
      Paul...
    
    
    
    
33.865United 2 Leeds 0ESSB::BLONGRumbleows &amp; Euro Super Cup Winners 92Fri Sep 11 1992 18:454
3 Notes in a week, it looks like the Leeds supporters did'nt have much
to talk about this week.

They must be all on holidays :-) :-)
33.866OPG::TONYFri Sep 11 1992 19:1513
RE.864  

Paul,

 If Man Us record in THE CUP (league championship) as you say is what counts
then it still better to your 3 championships and we havent won it a longgg  time.

What does that make you...!!


Baaaahh...Baaaahhhh

tony
33.867BAA BAA black sheepWELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Fri Sep 11 1992 19:5912
    
    
    
    What a suprise a Man U fan making a reference to sheep, haven't you
    learnt anything yet. Obviously not you still support Man U. !!!!!
    
    Only joking  all the best for saturday  against Everton ,after all it's
     only a game
    
    
     Paul...
    
33.868Monday morning blues, Zzzzzzzzz........XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Sep 14 1992 17:3922
re .865

Brian. When United win the league then you can take a rest from the activity of 
this conference! That will mean you will be chained to your terminal for the rest
of your days ;-). After the frenetic activity of last season, this season is a 
bit of an anti climax for me. Wait until things get a bit interesting then you 
will seee the fans flock back. At least we are all accounted for, not like the 
MUFC fans that started to crawl out of the woodwork when they smelt a 
championship last year. We put ye back in your box.

result yesterday: report anyone!

Leeds   (0) 1  -  1 (1)  Aston Villa 

Hodge 85                 Parker 19

Sellars made his debut in a much altered team. We were very lucky to squeeze a 
draw from a game that should have been lost. Two 1-1 draws, carbon copies of each
other in the space of a month; I don't like the idea of playing the same team too
close to each other. Am I justified.
 
                              James.
33.869two former FOREST heros score!!!MACNAS::MJGREANEYBananna RepublicMon Sep 14 1992 18:211
    
33.870PEKING::JAMANISTue Sep 15 1992 16:4021
    
    
    Apparently, the Leeds reserve team is referred to as the 'Dream team'
    due to the team consisting of Rocastle, Hodge, Shutt, Sellars etc.. 
    Not surprisingly the team isn't doing to badly in the league.
      
    
    Re -1
    
    I couldn't agree with you more James.  Is this a case of Sky messing
    about with the football schedules??
    
    
    BTW Mel Sterland is hoping to back in training within the next couple
    of weeks and if everything goes right he should be in the first team
    withion the next month.
    
    
    
    Shafiq.
    
33.871Leeds in EuropeWELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Tue Sep 15 1992 17:1925
    
    
        Off to Stuttgart tonite, so should get time for a couple of beers
    in London B4 i get on the coach. Wallace has not gone to Stuttgart due
    to his hamstring problem , Dorigo was/is quarrantined on the flight and
    the  hotel due to his dodgy stomach from the Spain v England game last
    week, Wilko doesn't want anyone else getting the bug.
       
       Rumours have it that Wilko is going to play the sweeper system as we
    did against Stuttgart in the Makita with Speed playing that role ,
    Cantona and Chappie up front.
     
      Our form has not looked very convincing recently and we need to get a
    good result in Germany (draw or win) I hope the lack of form and luck
    will change tomorrow and get us back on the winning ways of last
    season.
    
      We also have a  trialist travelling with the party, can't remember his
    name at the moment but he chose Leeds instead of Arsenal to trial with
    and could be our next signing!!
    
    try and get a match report in on friday 
    
    
    Paul...
33.872Round 2 fading away...KBOMFG::KOEPPEThink Imaginary...Thu Sep 17 1992 11:4615
    
    		Vfb Stuttgart   3:0  Leeds United
    
    		Walter 2
    		Buck
    
    Not a very exciting game, with Leeds the better team in the first half
    and Stuttgart the better team in the second half.
    Leeds had a few good chances to score, but weren't lucky enough.
    
    Cantona had to be substituted late in the second half due to injury.
    
    IMO 2:1 for Stuttgart would have been a fairer result.
    
    Eduard
33.873ARRODS::OHAGANBThe filth and the furryThu Sep 17 1992 13:518
    Football Notes hold's it's breath in anticipation of the first
    Leeds noter to type the immortal words,
    
    "It's not over yet."
    
    :^)
    
    barry. 
33.874Fair's fairJGODCL::SHERLOCKL.U.F.C. The phoenix has risenThu Sep 17 1992 15:1317
    
    
    Saw the match "live" on RTL +. Stuttgart deserved their victory,
    
    
    
    I thought that Leeds deserved a goal in the first-half when
    Cantona tried to lob the ball over the keeper. Apart from that
    they gave a very fatigued impression. 
    Full marks to the Swedish ref who didn't fall for the usual
    German time wasting tactics, feigning injury and the likes.
    
    Leeds were cut to shreds in the second half :-(
    
    The Empire Strikes Back on the 30th of September...
    
    
33.875PEKING::JAMANISThu Sep 17 1992 15:3123
    
    
    If I said I was p***ed of last night it would be an understatement!
    
    The following questions need to be answered:
    
    * Why were Leeds playing as if this was the home leg.  The number of
    times Fairclough/Whtye and Dorigo were out of poistion was amazing! How
    the hell we didn't lose by a greater score I will never know.
    
    * How the hell did Rocastle miss the chance in the first few minutes of
    the game!  He was clear through and didn't manage to hit the target.
                                                                  
    * When will HW buy a decent right back?  Batty was never comfortable in
    that position.  Leeds need him in the midfield!
    
    
    Overall I was very pleased with the first half - but the second was a
    shambles.
    
    
    Shafiq.
    
33.876Injuries....PEKING::JAMANISFri Sep 18 1992 15:5712
    
    
    Cantona has sustained a hamstring injury which will rule him out for up
    to 8 weeks.
    
    Wallace has the same injury and will be out for a further 6 weeks.
    
    This means that Carl Shutt will make his first full apperance since
    January, against Southampton on Saturday.
    
    
    Shafiq.
33.877PEKING::JAMANISWed Sep 23 1992 13:1417
    
    
    Leeds 4	Scunthorpe 1
    
    Strachan	Hanley (sp??)
    Chapman
    Speed
    Shutt
    
    Leeds return to winning ways!
    
    
    BTW anyone seen the Leeds away kit?  I can't get used to seeing Leeds
    in blue.
    
    Shafiq
    
33.878Not too serious after allISEPUB::CHAMPOLLIONCan-tas-ticWed Sep 23 1992 14:5610
33.879Get Lost SKYMACNAS::JMURPHYIt's a Funny Old Game...Wed Sep 23 1992 19:3316
    I know I may be late making this comment but why didn't Leeds object
    to having to play a match on a Sunday before travelling to Europe for
    a Champions Cup match....
    Surely SKY should have been told where to get off , they could have
    covered some other match that didn't envolve teams playing in Europe
    the following Wednesday. An extra days rest may have saved Leeds from
    such a big defeat in Stuggart . From most reports of the match , Leeds
    seemed to tire in the second half...
    I know Leeds got 160,000 for the match on Sunday from Sky , but if they
    get knocked out of Europe they will lose millions by failing to qualify
    for the money spinning later stages....
    
    Time will tell
    
    jm
      
33.880HW DID COMPLAINREPAIR::JAMANILeeds United Champions 91-92Thu Sep 24 1992 14:017
    
    HW did complain to SKY and asked for the game to be played on Saturday
    but SKY refused.  HW then tried to go through the FA but they are
    powerless.
    
    
    Shafiq.
33.881sterland injuryPEKING::JAMANISThu Sep 24 1992 20:287
    
    
    Sterland has gone into hospital for an operation on his ankle.  Seems
    like he won't be back in the near future.
    
    
    Shafiq.
33.882Leeds 2 Everton 0 and some interesting facts.XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Sep 28 1992 12:1936
A solid 2-0 win on Saturday with only our second clean sheet of the season. It 
has extended our unbeaten home stand to 27/28 games. McAllister penalty and a
Chapman special, a header from inside the box.

The unbeaten home streak got me thinking about what is the longest unbeaten home
stand that the club has even had. So, I went delving in the record book and 
found some very interesting statistics. 

Leeds have been unbeaten at home four seasons

1963/1964 

1968/1969

1971/1972

1991/1992

The longest unbeaten runs are as follows

39        May 4 1968 to March 28 1970 ( 33 wins and 6 draws )

34        September 11 1954 to March 10 1956 ( 27 wins and 7 draws )

28        April 17 1971 to September 30 1972 ( 23 wins and 5 draws )

27/28     Currrent run ( ? wins and ? draws )

26        May 11 1963 to September 26 1965 ( 17 wins and 9 draws )

25        February 4 1967 to May 4 1968 ( 21 wins and 4 draws )

20        September 1 1951 to September 10 1952 ( 14 wins and 6 draws )


                              James.
33.883ZZZZZzzzCHEFS::HOUSEBMon Sep 28 1992 16:103
    DANGER 
    
    Outbreak of Cunnovitus at node XSTACY.
33.884XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Sep 28 1992 17:365
Re -.1

Ho-ho-ho!!!

                          James.
33.885Leeds permanent B.S. (3) Bundesbank (0)WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Tue Sep 29 1992 15:1534
    
    
       I haven't written in here since my trip to Stuttgart as depression
    set in. I think i'm getting over it now and am out of the clinic so can
    begin to add some notes!!!
    
    
       I Have been to a couple of games recently, namely the Southampton
    shambles and a good win at home to Everton to put us in the top half of
    the table.
    
       Both the above games showed a vast difference in confidence shown by
    Leeds, which hopefully will help us by not getting beat by an even larger
    defecit tomorrow night against Stuttgart(!!!)
    
    
      The squad for Stuttgart is complete apart from Sterland and Wallace
    Cantona had no problems with his hamstring after the game against
    Everton, and if anyone can turn a game he can.
    
      Leeds have completed the signing of two players from French club
    Auxerre.  The two, Kevin Sharp (18) midfielder,Jamie Forrester (17)
    striker, came from the school of excellence over here. Kevin Sharp i
    believe had just broken into the 1st team and Leeds went in for them
    when their contracts expired recently, prehaps someone in France can
    give us some more info ??
    
    
    K.O. tomorrow is at 8.05 to allow for the t.v. (again)
    
    
    Paul....
    
            
33.886ISEPUB::CHAMPOLLIONCan-tas-ticTue Sep 29 1992 19:1612
33.887PEKING::NAGLEJTue Sep 29 1992 20:137
    
    I remember reading an article last year when Liverpool played
    Auxerre in a cup match. The article was about two young British
    lads going through the motions with the club. Maybe it was the
    same two.
    
    JN.
33.888FORTY2::ASHGrahame Ash @REOWed Sep 30 1992 15:028
Re: Auxerre. I think Standing Room Only also had a feature on these two lads 
last year. They made a big thing about what a wonderful set-up it was at 
Auxerre - they could continue proper schooling as well as being coached in 
football. The point was that there was nothing similar at any British club.

I reckon Leeds have done a good deal here, but we'll see.

grahame
33.889CONGRATS & COMMISERATIONSMACNAS::SMORANThu Oct 01 1992 09:1110
    Well what more can a team do and still not qualify. You were a great
    advert for the way the game should be played. If ye can reproduce this
    on a weekly basis, the league is yours for the taking. After last
    nights display, the English game can only have benefited. If SKY could
    reproduce ten minutes of last nights match each week, I'd say they
    would be very happy. Congrats & Commiserations
    
    Stephen
    
    
33.890Not Quite EnoughESSB::BLONGRumbleows &amp; Euro Super Cup Winners 92Thu Oct 01 1992 11:205
33.891Brilliant entertainmentMADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Thu Oct 01 1992 11:2813
    
    
     Last nights game was possibly the best I've seen in many years. Leeds
    did everything possible to claw back the goals conceded in Germany.
    They attacked the Germans from the first whistle and I thought were
    desperately unlucky not to qualify. They had so many chances yet
    couldn't get the 5th goal to go through. Stuttgart were under immense
    pressure but were very dangerous on the break and could/should have
    scored 2 or 3 themselves, Lucik was brilliant on a least 3 occasions
    when the Germans were on a 1 to 1. Anyway, great game from start to
    finish.
    
      Danny.
33.892Single evenYUPPY::PANESShe'll always be my cellulite queenThu Oct 01 1992 11:5010
      Thames T.V in its infinite wisdom decided to only show the highlights.
  My heart goes out to Leeds ( Leeds Leeds ) players and supporters. A
  splendid performance.

  Stuart

  BTW Carter:U.S.M are releasing "The Impossible Dream " as their Christmas
      singles. Whether this is an oblique reference to Manchester Untieds
      league aspirations and record, or attempt to keep Cliff Richard of the
      top slot , I do not know, but buy it and be a groovy ****.
33.893So near and yet so farMOEUR3::PRATLEYArk Angel of EvryThu Oct 01 1992 12:2623
    
    Bad luck Leeds !
    
    I heard most of the commentary on the trusty tranny and it sounded like
    a fantastic game. I thought when they were 1 - 0 up that they had a
    great chance of going through, but when the Germans equalised I must
    admit I thought it was all over. However, it was a tremendous fightback
    by Leeds and they very nearly sneaked through at the end.
    
    Sadly looking back I have to say that the tie was lost in the first leg
    after conceding 3 goals and Fairclough (I think?) missing a good chance
    right at the close.
    
    Looking on the bright side, the game was an advertisement for all that
    is good in English football, and if Leeds continue to show that sort of
    form then I'm sure they'll end the season with a trophy.
    
    (I just wish Everton were playing like that !)
    
    Regards
    
    Ian
    
33.894So near but yet so farMACNAS::CWALSHLife's a beach, then you diveThu Oct 01 1992 12:4931
    For anyone who doesn't know or hasn't already guessed here's the
    result:
    
          Leeds  4                 Stutgart  1
    
          Speed 17                    ?   25
          McCallister (pen) 40
          Cantona 65          
          Chapman 80
    
    
              Aggr     4-4
    
    Leeds go out on away goal rule.
    
    A brilliant performance by Leeds was not enough to get them through to the 
    next round. Superb team performance with every player being run to a 
    standstill.
    
    For me the 2 outstanding players were Lukic and Cantonna.(sp)
    Lukic made some unbielevable saves espicially the double save in the
    second half when he saved a shot destined for the bottom corner and
    then somehow managed to get a hand to the shot from the rebound.
    
    Cantonna's touch was superb every time he touched the ball it landed on
    a Leeds player foot and he was brilliant in the air.
    
    Also IMHO I thought Steve Hodge should have been brought on in the
    second half, a fresh pair of legs might have made the difference.
    
    Colm.
33.895Well Done LeedsMACNAS::JMURPHYIt's a Funny Old Game...Thu Oct 01 1992 14:158
    
    Well done Leeds on a brilliant effort , you were oh so close....
    Lukic and Cantona were brilliant with McAllister not far behind.
    As HW said all players were fantantic .
    Now go on and win the Championship and have another go next Season
    for the European Cup..
    
    jm
33.896Tough luckISEPUB::CHAMPOLLIONCan-tas-ticThu Oct 01 1992 14:547
33.897OGESSB::BLONGRumbleows &amp; Euro Super Cup Winners 92Thu Oct 01 1992 14:575
33.898Very UnluckySIOG::COLMANThu Oct 01 1992 15:0710
    
    Just to echo some of the last few replys well done Leeds
    you were a credit to the English League.
    
    It's a pity Liverpool do not have the same spirit these days.
    
    Again Congrats and Comiserations.
    
    
    Stephen C.
33.899Well DOne Leeds.DBOT07::RUSSELLThu Oct 01 1992 16:416
    Haven't seen a better game. Great style and skill. 
    The way all football should be played...always.
    
    Thanks and hard luck.
    
    *Tiger*
33.900WARNUT::TPCASE::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringThu Oct 01 1992 17:495
re .896

If you saw the way Leeds were sliced apart by Stuttgart
then how Leeds conceded 3 goals is obvious. They could
have done the same last night and not complained.
33.901Exi(c)ting stuff :-(BIBROK::ROBERTSONYou don't wanna do it like that !!!!Thu Oct 01 1992 18:1529
Wow! What a game.

Leeds played some superb stuff last night, epitomised in the first goal....

	Speed got the ball on the centre spot, and layed it off to Strachan.
	Strachan looked up, saw Eric the Gaul in the penalty area and launches
	perfect ball. Eric climbs above the defender and nods the ball down to
	the incomimg bullet that was Speed, and he rifles the ball into the back
	of the net full on the volley.

	Halfway line to the back of the net without touching the ground.

	Lukic played a blinder. If it wasn't for him, then the tie would have
been over in the first half. It's a shame he was so far to his left for their
goal. But on the other hand Buck should never have been given the time he had by the
3 defenders near him.

	Hopefully Leeds will have matured for their next jaunt into Europe.
Unfortunately in Germany, they were far too attack minded. A bit more caution
and things could have been very different.

	Ah well!! If they continue playing with as much passion as they did last
night then there should definitely be at least one trophy in the cabinet at
the end of the season. Hopefully the same one as last year.

	Away to Ipswich on Saturday. I wouldn't like to be in their shoes!!

Al
	
33.902I hope I'm rightPAKORA::CPATRICKa Sausage Supper &amp; A Bottle PILSThu Oct 01 1992 22:527
    Leeds may yet get into the next round,according to teletext the 
    Germans had 4 foreigners on the park at some time near the
    end of the match and as we all know.The rules state that only 3
    foreigners at anytime are allowed to play.
    
    
    SQF Jambo
33.903reinstatedMACNAS::MHASSETTFri Oct 02 1992 10:175
    	According to the sports news here ,Leeds are indeed back in the
    	competition.
    
    
    	Hass...
33.904CHEFS::HOUSEBFri Oct 02 1992 11:136
    Is this true ???
    
    Have Stuttgart been thrown out or has the second leg got to be
    replayed ???
    
    		Brian.
33.905or so I heardMACNAS::MJGREANEYBananna RepublicFri Oct 02 1992 11:278
    
    Latest news is that both teams are included for the next round draw
    today,Stuttgart may still be eliminated pending an enquiry by UEFA(??),
    and the First-round  second leg maybe replayed at Elland Road depending
    on UEFA's decision with  scores at 0-0.
    
    
    M.J.
33.906FUTURS::FLETCHERFri Oct 02 1992 11:2811
    UEFA will make a descision soon. Next week is the only free week before
    the next round. Do you think they will throw a German team out. Na nor
    do I. Replay At Leeds next week starting from scratch is my bet.
    
    My opinion is that theyve broken the rules so they should be out. No
    question.
    
    Nigel
    
    PS The rule they broke was having 4 foreigners in the squad. only
    allowed 3 max (hasnt this been discussed before).
33.907AYOV14::DDIAMONDFri Oct 02 1992 11:479
    
    Rumour has it that a German Journalist was the person who noticed the
    offence.
             
              
               
                                               
    
                                                        David.
33.908YUPPY::PANESShe'll always be my cellulite queenFri Oct 02 1992 11:5313

   Whats the difference between Leeds ( Leeds Leeds ) United and Manchester
   Untied?

 


  Leeds can read a rule book.

  I thenk yew,

  Stuart
33.909CHEFS::HOUSEBFri Oct 02 1992 11:568
    They obviously got confused by the foreigners/assimilated difference.
    
    Who could blame them ??  A replay at Leeds starting at 0-0 is a good
    idea, especially if it is as good a game as Wednesday.  Throwing them
    out would be a little harsh, although by the strict letter of the law
    they should be.
    
    		Brian
33.9103 max on panelMACNAS::CWALSHLife's a beach, then you diveFri Oct 02 1992 12:1016
    The problem was that they had 2 foriegners on the bench and 2 playing
    and they brought on the 2 on the bench even though they had a german
    on the bench.
    
    Even if they hadn't brought on the 2 on the bench they still would
    have been breaking the laws. They are only allowed 3 foriegners on the
    panel otherwise Liverpool and Man Utd wouldn't have been bringing in 
    17 yr olds in to their panel.
    
    I think the rule should be very clearly stated in some rule book.
    Obviously there is a lot of confusion over it with both Stutgart and
    Man Utd not understanding it properly.
    
    What hope have we of understanding it if the teams involved can't.
    
    Colm. 
33.911Leeds march on?TRUCKS::SANTlurching from disaster to apocalypse..Fri Oct 02 1992 12:2120
    
    	Well having listened to the game live on R5 on Wednesday night I
    	am delighted to hear that Leeds will be in the draw today, whether
    	pending a third game or not. They played with tremendous passion in
    	the 2nd half particularly, and kept getting a goal when it seemed
    	out of reach as the minutes ticked away.
    
    	I was cheering for you then, as I usually would on a European game,
    	and hope you can make the 2nd round. Tough on Stuttgart, though. I 
    	don't think they intended to "cheat" in any way...it really was
    	just down to the pressure of the moment. They played very well for
    	20 minutes at the end of the first leg when Leeds fell apart, and
    	missed three very good chances in the first half on Wednesday that
    	would have made Leeds' second-half storm irrelevant.
    
    	Wasn't McAllister superb on Wednesday? I wish we had English
    	midfielders with his ability - other than Fat-Boy Bamber of
    	course....8-)
    
    	Andy.
33.912SIOG::SPENCERPeter Spencer @DBO 827-2286Fri Oct 02 1992 13:084
    I believe the UEFA rules governing this situation stipulate that the
    tie be awarded to Leeds with a 3-0 scoreline hence the need for a
    replay as Stuttgart won the first leg 3-0. My money is on a replay with
    the scores all square.
33.913Where will the replay be played??????????KBOMFG::TANNERWe're one, but we're not the sameFri Oct 02 1992 14:555
   
   Lads, when do UEFA decide on this issue?????? And if there is a replay will
it not take place at a neutral venue???????

                                                                 -dave-
33.914Fergie was RightESSB::BLONGRumbleows &amp; Euro Super Cup Winners 92Fri Oct 02 1992 14:587
33.915TRUCKS::SANTTorpedoed in Moskow....Fri Oct 02 1992 15:0012
    
    	The "replay" will be played at Elland Road.
    
    	As I understand it, the two teams will start over at 0-0, and play
    	for 90 mins...
    
    	Wonder if away goals still count double for a draw ;-)
    
    	Don't know when EUFA decide. Leeds AND Stuttgart are both in the
    	draw.
    
    	Andy.
33.916?????ESSB::BLONGRumbleows &amp; Euro Super Cup Winners 92Fri Oct 02 1992 15:005
33.917TRUCKS::SANTTorpedoed in Moskow....Fri Oct 02 1992 15:0613
    
    	Why not, Brian? Rules is rules....
    
    	The rule about away goals counting double in the event of a tie is
    	as much a rule as the one about the number of foreign players.
    
    	Can't see the difference, personally....
    
    	EUFA can (at best as far as Stuttgart are concerned) order a
    	one-off game to decide it. Why should that be in Stuttgart, since
    	they broke the rule that caused the re-match?
    
    	Andy.
33.918SUBURB::WAITEGOne Way Of LifeFri Oct 02 1992 15:062
    I've been told that UEFA will make the decision today.
              
33.919No decision then...KBOMFG::TANNERWe're one, but we're not the sameFri Oct 02 1992 15:219

   Re .915...

         Andy how can you "state" that the replay will be played at Elland rd,
and that the game starts at agg 0-0 when UEFA haven't even made a decision yet??
Do you know somebody with inside info in Zurich or what?????????

                                                              -dave-
33.920MOEUR3::CROUCHCome and do the kangaroo...Fri Oct 02 1992 15:288
    If the reason for a possible replay is that Leeds were awarded the game
    3-0 and thus the aggregate was 3-3, then this is an absurd situation.
    If Stuttgart had won the first game 4-0, would they then have gone
    through 4-3? Surely not. That is effectively saying that you can break
    the rules if you're good enough. They must be thrown out.

    Andy
33.921he's got a point..FORTY2::FOWLERMFri Oct 02 1992 16:0112
re: -1

I agree entirely.
For example, assume stuttgart had won the first tie 4-0, they could have decided 
not to turn up at all, on the basis that Leeds would then win the game 3-0 by
default, and Stuttgart would go through. Why take the risk that leeds might have
come back?
It's got to be Adios Muchachos and see you next year...NOT

I just hope Leeds go on and win it now.

Mike
33.922SUBURB::WAITEGOne Way Of LifeFri Oct 02 1992 16:033
    Leeds play Rangers if they get through.  The first leg is at Ibrox.
    
    UEFA meet tomorrow..
33.923Only 1 British Club in Round 3PANIC::ANDERSONThe original MagpiesFri Oct 02 1992 16:048
    
    The decision will be made tomorrow.
    
    The reward will be a trip to.....
    
    Glasgow - to play Rangers
    
    Rob 
33.924Biased, me?ISEPUB::CHAMPOLLIONCan-tas-ticFri Oct 02 1992 16:509
Interesting discussion. That 3:0 default victory is indeed stupid. It's either
Stuttgart out or in, no replay indeed.

You can't play around rules. Stuttgart said they were sorry they did not
mean it. Well, it's like hand ball in the penalty box. You don't mean it
but there you are, penalty.

Leeds to Ibrox (mouth-watering!).
JF
33.925:^)ARRODS::OHAGANBDirk, Nasty, Stig, Barry, LeggyFri Oct 02 1992 17:056
   >> Leeds play Rangers of they get through.
    
    Looks like Leeds are through to round three and lots of spondoolies
    then. 
    
    barry.
33.926Rangers v Leeds - what a drawGALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Fri Oct 02 1992 17:1817
    
    >>> Leeds play Rangers of they get through.
    
    >Looks like Leeds are through to round three and lots of spondoolies
    >then.
    
    Dangerous ground there Barry.  Sounds like English arrogance.  A lot of
    Jocks would love to take you down a peg or 2.   
    
    As for Rangers v Leeds.  I wouldn't even try to predict it but WOW. 
    The mouth waters.  
    
    Throwing out VfB Stuttgart would be harsh but the rules stand.  What a
    stupid mistake to make though.  You're not even allowed to have 4
    foreigners in the 16 never mind on the field.
    
    Gary.
33.927YORKSHIRE PUDDINGAYOV17::WGILMOURFri Oct 02 1992 17:185
    HaHa HaHa we are the Billy Boys
    
    Mouth talk whilst brain sleep
    
    Gers for the cup
33.928As useful as Ina Wrong's passport ( club-wise)YUPPY::PANESmore like a tea cup in a stormFri Oct 02 1992 17:2819
         <<< Note 33.926 by GALVIA::SPAIN "There's always the U.S." >>>
                       -< Rangers v Leeds - what a draw >-

    
>    >>> Leeds play Rangers of they get through.
    
 >   >Looks like Leeds are through to round three and lots of spondoolies
 >   >then.
    
 >   Dangerous ground there Barry.  Sounds like English arrogance.  A lot of
 >   Jocks would love to take you down a peg or 2.   
 >   
 

    Gary,

    I must say, in his defence, Barry is an Arsenal fan.

    Stuart
33.929AYOV11::ATODMANFri Oct 02 1992 17:3520
    
    I can see UEFA making an example by the way Stuttgart have acted.
    Lets face it, Stuttgart have blatantly broke a rule.
    
    
    Possible Actions :  1) Automatically Knocked out of this Year Tournament
                 
                        2) Banned from Eurpean Comp's. for a couple of years.
    
    		        3) Fined Heavily
    
                        4) Possible mixture of 1, 2 & 3
    
    If UEFA don't act harshly on this, there will be nothing to stop other
    clubs performing the same stunt.
    
    Hang them...thats what I say.  
    
    Arnie
    
33.930ONLY WINNERS SHOULD GO THROUGHAYOV17::BGILCHRISTFri Oct 02 1992 17:3610
    
     REF : 33.925
    
         This is the big time coming to Leeds,so get out your doss bags
         and cardboard huts,fling away your meth's bottle's and stick
         your Yorkshire pudding right UP your Ilkley moor bar T'at.
    
    
                                         The Gers are in town
    
33.931It must be luck...luck...luck.....luck..OPG::TONYFri Oct 02 1992 17:406
A lot of debate about this one...I personaly think that Stutgart will be thrown
out of the competition..There will not be a replay at all...So you Yorkshire
Sheeps enjoy the next round..You might have a chance..Rangers have lots of
English players...They might get it wrong as well..!!!

Tony
33.932PEKING::NAGLEJFri Oct 02 1992 17:4311
    
    Honestly, it really is about time that Rangers came up against
    a decent team to really put them to the test. Its been far to 
    easy for Rangers for a long time now. Merge the English and 
    Scottish Leagues is what I say. If there is a Welsh one then
    include that too. In this scenario Ally Machoist would only
    find the net about 15 times a season against real opposition.
    
    JN. :-)
    
    
33.933we shall see....TRUCKS::SANTTorpedoed in Moskow....Fri Oct 02 1992 17:4617
    
    	> hang em...that's what I say
    
    	Thank you, Genghis.....8-)
    
    	Dave (a few back...), my comments were based on the assumption 
    	that EUFA would back down from actually booting Stuttgart out
    	of the competition altogether and would go with this "3-0" default
    	for rule-breakers (?). This would leave them with the decision of
    	where to hold the decider, and since Leeds were the innocent party
    	then the game could only be played at Elland Road.
    
    	By Monday we will all be the wiser...
    
    	Rangers v. Leeds? WOW! I'd love to see some of *that*!!
    
    	Andy.
33.934ARRODS::OHAGANBDirk, Nasty, Stig, Barry, LeggyFri Oct 02 1992 17:5311
    Two lots of Yorkshire pudding, one mention of sheep, a bottle
    of meths thrown in for good measure but so far the good name
    of Sir Geoffrey Boycott is still intact. Slipping up their
    chaps I'm afraid.
    
    
    
    ^) 
    barry 
    
    p.s. I'm bet it's a struggle with the caps lock.
33.935flattery will get you nowhere !!!WELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Fri Oct 02 1992 18:3212
    
    
      Meths .... isn't that a rough McCewans lager,
    
      Sheep .....  Only when i get the chance 
    
      Yorkshire pudding ... Only with sunday lunch after winning the league
    1991-92.
    
    
    Paul....
    
33.936Huns OutCHEFS::HOUSEBFri Oct 02 1992 18:5116
    Re .927 .930
    
    Gers for the cup, big time coming to Leeds - do me a favour playing in
    the English premier is by far more testing than facing the giants of
    Falkirk, St johnstone etc 4 times a season.  Stick the Huns in a decent
    league and I think they would find themselves in mid-table mediocrity. 
    I mean people like McCall, Stevens etc never exactly set the English
    league alight did they.
    
    Roll on the 2nd Round - nothing better than seeing the Huns get
    stuffed.
    
    		Brian.
    
    p.s. great to have some real banter back in this notesfile is been far
    too boring far too long.  Here's to the next two weeks.
33.937PEKING::NAGLEJFri Oct 02 1992 18:534
    
    Yeah. Right on.
    
    JN.
33.938PAKORA::JOWENSFri Oct 02 1992 19:1332
    
    re.936
    
     Magic, some patter at last!
    
      Trevor Steven & Gary Stevens must have received their English League
    medals from a charity!! It's lucky for u that Stevens isn't playing,
    because if he wasn't making Speed look stupid he would be
    roasting Dorigo. What about the Engurland caps that both of them
    received & of course there's a certain Mark Hately to contend with
    also. (we know he's a donkey but he's a far better donkey than Chapman)
    
      Will Mel `the monkey' Sterland be playing? We hope so as `Blue'
    Pieter Huistra will give him water on the brain, assuming he has
    one(doubtful).
    
      I suppose it will be unusual for a minor league team with an even
    more minor stadium to come to the finest stadium in the UK. It's a pity
    that even the Rangers team are not as good as the stadium they play in
    8-)
    
     On a more serious note, what is the capacity at Elland Road and how
    many tickets can Rangers expect?
    
     We reckon Leeds may get 3500-4000 tickets for Ibrox. Cost approx 15
    quid a head.
    
     BTW this is of course assuming that Stuttgart are already out!!!
    
     See you there!
    
         Jonno 
33.939Poor ModFLYWAY::MURRAYFri Oct 02 1992 19:234
    
    Looks like you are going to have a busy two weeks Gary
    
    Paul
33.940TRUCKS::SANTTorpedoed in Moskow....Fri Oct 02 1992 19:277
             
    	Leeds will be more than a handful (oh, err missus!!) for Rangers
    	if they end up matched in Round 2. I agree with you Brian (bloody
    	hell! There's a first time for everything! ;-)), Rangers only get
    	one difficult match in about 5 in their regular season.
    
    	Andy.
33.941Irish blue-noseSIOG::N_DONNELLYFri Oct 02 1992 19:347
    Personally I think Rangers will (hope) beat Leeds. All the talk about
    Rangers finishing mid-table in the Prem. League in England goes out the
    window if this clash eventually happens.You Leeds boys are in for
    another shock me thinks.
    
    Noel
    
33.942Can you last for 2 weeks???PAKORA::JOWENSFri Oct 02 1992 19:3410
    
    re.-1 
    
     At least the 'Gers got further than Man U, Andy ;-) ;-)
    
     Super Pally, Super Pally, Away, Away, Away.... This seems to have a
    ring to it, a ring that Leeds will learn all about!!!! 8^)
    
             Jonno
    
33.943PEKING::NAGLEJFri Oct 02 1992 19:3822
    
    
    The LUFC ticket office have been overrun with calls from
    Rangers fans. Both of them have been promised theirs in 
    the post. Leeds staff were run off their feet, "we were
    only prepared for the one call, now look at the mess we
    are in."
    
    I was at a Rangers match once in the North stand and I said
    to the guy next to me, "Oooooiiiiiiii you in the South stand."
    
    Another game I went to at Ibrox the Rangers manager came up to 
    me and gave a set of keys. I said, "what are these for ?"  He 
    said to me, "if you're staying to watch the game then lock up 
    on your way out."
    
    Apparently if you turn up at Ibrox about half an hour before
    kickoff with your boots the chances are you'll get a game.
    Well, Stevens does it each week.
    
    JN.
    
33.944Mural Mayhem!!!PAKORA::JOWENSFri Oct 02 1992 19:4714
    
    re.-1
    
     I take it you are an Arsenal fan.(one of the men in the mural)
    
     Rangers(small club as they are) have a mere 30,000 Season ticket
    holders and if the nice people at Leeds wish to give us all the tickets
    we will fill out there ground as well!!
    
          Jonno 8^)
    
    PS is it true that the `Mural End' makes more noise than the rest of
    Highbury at a Arsenal game? ;-)
    
33.945it's the way he tells them...FORTY2::FOWLERMFri Oct 02 1992 20:0311
re: -2

Dear, oh dear.

The old ones are the best, eh?

Well, there's an exception to every rule, I suppose.

Mike

PS Go on Leeds, win it for Blighty.
33.946YUPPY::MCCABEMikeFri Oct 02 1992 20:068
    >>PS is it true that the `Mural End' makes more noise than the rest of
    >>Highbury at a Arsenal game? ;-)
    
    I don't think so, but I have heard that in a recent IQ test the "fans"
    at the "Mural End" averaged a higher percentage than those who regularly 
    attend 'Gers home games at Ibrox. ;-)
    
    Mike M
33.947:^) just in case.ARRODS::OHAGANBDirk, Nasty, Stig, Barry, LeggyFri Oct 02 1992 20:1612
    >>30,000 season ticket holders
    
    That was'nt always the case though was it? Cast your mind back to
    the days before the Beast when Rangers were'nt bringing in the
    silverware and attendances were'nt much above the 25,000 mark.
    6 zillion pounds and English players later, a consistently weak 
    Celtic driven by an incompetent board, and a premier division 
    in which most would do well to survive in it's southern counterpart,
    provide the answers as to why Rangers dominate Scottish football.
    
    barry. 
     
33.948CLARID::STUARTFri Oct 02 1992 20:3819
Just before I leave for the weekend I'll leave you with this:

I just heard that there is concern in football circles that a problem would arise if 
Leeds replace Stuttgart in the next round. Apparently Stuttgart are a seeded team 
and the draw went ahead on the understanding that they were in the competition.
Now if Leeds take their place it means that two non-seeded teams will meet (Rangers 
and Leeds). If this is the case it means that the draw did not follow the rules of 
the competition. A potentially very interesting situation I think. Could Stuttgart 
be thrown out for breaking the rules and then the authorities who threw them out 
ignore another infringement of the rules? Would other non seeded teams complain 
that Leeds have been treated as a seeded team? Some of them might even demand a 
re-draw, especially the team that drew Milan.

Hope you get all this worked out and settled. It just baffles me. It is all so 
confusing I wouldn't be totally surprised if they leave both Stuttgart and Leeds in 
and throw Rangers out instead, which of course is the only way to stop them winning 
the Cup.

Gordon.
33.949Mmmmmmmmm...Interesting !1 PAKORA::JJACKOnce a Tim..always a Tim !Fri Oct 02 1992 23:2714
    
    Just to add fuel to the fire.............
    I hear the reason UEFA didn't make a decision on whether Stuttgart are
    to be thrown out or not is because they too have lodged a complaint
    saying that Leeds fielded 4 foreigners.
    Gary Speed is apparently Welsh, although the English FA say he's
    eligible I believe UEFA feel otherwise.
    
    Can any of you Leeds fans clarify ?
    
    I know McAllister & Cantona werer playing, but who was the 3rd
    foreigner if Speed was supposedly the 4th ??
    
    
33.950PAKORA::CPATRICKa Sausage Supper &amp; A Bottle PILSFri Oct 02 1992 23:307
    EUFA are having a meeting tomorrow afternoon and
    LEEDS will know by 5:00pm what is going to happen.
    
    
    SQF Jambo
    
    
33.951Strachan rumoured to be SCottish (:==:)AIMTEC::WICKS_AIt wasn't supposed to end this waySat Oct 03 1992 00:417
    re .949,
    
    Strachan is/was the 4th.
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
33.952MASALA::CPATRICKa Sausage Supper &amp; A Bottle PILSSun Oct 04 1992 04:107
    news just in......
    
    Leeds V Stuttgart to be replayed at a neutral ground,with the score at
    3-3
    
    
    SQF Jambo
33.953no Leeds in EuropeAYOV17::BGILCHRISTSun Oct 04 1992 13:505
     
         Ipswich 4 Leeds 2
    
           John Wark a 36 year old gave you the run around.
    
33.954ARRODS::OHAGANBDirk, Nasty, Stig, Barry, LeggyMon Oct 05 1992 13:1112
    The Leeds v Stuttgart tie is to be played in Rotterdam I believe. If 
    I were a Rotterdam-er I'd be a bit worried about some of the right
    wing loonies that the event might attract. 
    
    This whole affair really does make UEFA look like a bunch of prats.
    Would they have been so lenient had Leeds been in Stuttgart's position?
    I think not. And as for the FA, they did'nt even bother to turn up
    in Zurich to lend some weight to Leeds' case.  
    
    barry. 
    
    
33.955Landsdowne rd. want replayMACNAS::CWALSHLife's a beach, then you diveMon Oct 05 1992 14:1817
RE. Note 33.949      
   < Just to add fuel to the fire.............
   < I hear the reason UEFA didn't make a decision on whether Stuttgart are
   < to be thrown out or not is because they too have lodged a complaint
   < saying that Leeds fielded 4 foreigners.
   < Gary Speed is apparently Welsh, although the English FA say he's
   < eligible I believe UEFA feel otherwise.
    
   < Can any of you Leeds fans clarify ?
    
   < I know McAllister & Cantona werer playing, but who was the 3rd
   < foreigner if Speed was supposedly the 4th ??
    
    
   As far as I know McAllister,Cantona & Strachan were the 3 foriegners
   and Speed was/is an assimilated player.
    
33.956FORTY2::ASHGrahame Ash @REOMon Oct 05 1992 16:306
And going back a bit, what does happen if Leeds win? Someone has complained 
about 2 unseeded sides meeting -have UEFA said that's no problem?

Anyway, all the best to Leeds for the replay.

g
33.957Complete re-draw ???SIOG::COLMANMon Oct 05 1992 16:507
    
    I believe Steau Bucherest objected to Leeds going thru after the draw
    was made because they would have been seeded for the second round    
    and would have avoided Marsellie (who they got).
    
    Stephen C.
    
33.958When??FAILTE::PAGESMon Oct 05 1992 17:067
    
    	When will the match be played???
    
    	Reports are that McAllister will be required for international
    work!!
    
    Steve P.
33.959What do you consider fair????WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Mon Oct 05 1992 17:1324
    
    
    
       Leeds have decided not to appeal about the decision to have to
    replay Stuttgart this weekend. They have however complained and are
    trying to get changed the location of the fixture (Switzerland or
    Holland).
    
       Wilkinson gave a number of points as to why he thinks the tie should
    be played again at Leeds...
    
    
        1) Leeds were/are not the guilty party and have committed no
           offence.
    
        2) If extra time was to played at a 3-3 draw it would have been
           played at Elland Rd.
    
        3) It's a darn sight harder for us Leeds fans to get to games in 
           mainland Europe than it will be for the Germans!!!
    
    
    Paul.... 
          
33.960McAllister should play.KURMA::JOWENSMon Oct 05 1992 17:308
    re.-2
    
        McAllister will be required for international duty but Roxburgh
    said in the Scottish press this morning that he would not invoke FIFA's
    ruling when it was such an important game for Leeds.
    
        Jonno
    
33.961SHAWB1::STOCKMANSMon Oct 05 1992 17:357
Good on yer Roxburgh!

Leeds have done us proud up to now.

Let's hope they make it all the way.

Simon
33.962Lens (near Lille) it could beISEPUB::CHAMPOLLIONCan-tas-ticTue Oct 06 1992 14:5712
33.963SHAWB1::STOCKMANSTue Oct 06 1992 15:182
The Daily Star has mentioned the game being played 
at the Nou Camp on friday night!
33.964REPAIR::JAMANILeeds United Champions 91-92Tue Oct 06 1992 15:5512
                                    
    Re: -1
    
    That means Leeds play 2 games in 3 days.
    
    They play in the Coca Cola Cup on Wednesday and then Struttgart on
    Friday.  Hardly seems fair!
    
    BTW has anyone heard the Hamlet advert on radio - it basically takes
    the p**s out of the germans.
    
    Shafiq
33.965XSTACY::KMCGRATHLong road, patient donkeyTue Oct 06 1992 16:001
    whats that got to do with anything?
33.966Sorry....SUBURB::LAINSBURYATue Oct 06 1992 16:306
    Have you heard John Major complaining about it now ?
    
    
    Stuttgart have more foreign reserves than the Bank of England !!
    
    Andy..
33.967Barcelona 8:15 Friday Night Game on.SAC::MAGUIRE_GTue Oct 06 1992 16:467
    Yes,
    
    It certainly is Barcelona. 8:15 P.M. friday night. 
    It really is unfair.
    
    G.
    
33.968info please..FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandTue Oct 06 1992 17:197
    
    What are the fixtures between now and when we play Sheffield United
    on the 17th???
    
    What are our chances going to be??
    
    SteveP
33.969No crowd troubleISEPUB::CHAMPOLLIONCan-tas-ticTue Oct 06 1992 20:444
33.970Things are never easy!!!WELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Tue Oct 06 1992 21:0410
    
    
    
       The Scunthorpe game tomorrow night has been cancelled i'm just
    looking into flights to Barcelona !!!!(could have been further away
    !!!!)
    
    
     Paul...
                                                               
33.971REPAIR::JAMANILeeds United Champions 91-92Wed Oct 07 1992 17:547
    Just heard a rumour that Leeds have had to forfeit the Scunthorpe game. 
    Apparently, the rules state that all games must be completed by the
    time of the draw - which is tonight.
    
    Leeds have made the decision to go for the Euro game!
    
    Shafiq.
33.972 no no noCHEFS::HOUSEBWed Oct 07 1992 18:436
    you are joking I take it ???  If that was the case - it isn't because
    what would happen if it snowed all day and the game was postponed -
    Leeds would surely put out a reserve team at least and take the fine
    for deliberately fielding an understrength team.
    
    		Brian
33.973SUBURB::WAITEGOne Way Of LifeWed Oct 07 1992 18:528
    That is a bit off, if its true.  Surly the football league or
    whoever runs this now would make a special allowance for the European
    tie which has to be played Friday because of UEFA.
    
    I agree with 972 about fielding a weekened team because after all they
    are 4-1 up.
    
    **Gary**
33.974REPAIR::JAMANILeeds United Champions 91-92Wed Oct 07 1992 19:5911
    
    
    re: -1, 2
    
    
    The guy who told me said he wasn't joking!
    
    He said he heard it on the news broadcast on the radio.
    
    
    Shafiq.
33.975CHEFS::HOUSEBThu Oct 08 1992 11:143
    I think he's winding you up, maybe ??
    
    		Brian.
33.976On the BoxWOTVAX::MACDONALDIStalybridge CelticThu Oct 08 1992 12:014
    The Leeds - Stuggart game is live on the Granada region tv at 8pm
    tomorrow night...
    
    mac
33.977NO BULL!!!!WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Thu Oct 08 1992 16:0813
    
    
       I'm off to Barcelona tonight so i will try and get a report in next
    week somtime  all being well and i don't get a dodgy bug!!!!!
    
    
    Result i predict   LEEDS UNITED   2
                       VFB STUTTGART  0
    
    
    
    
       Paul.....
33.978PEKING::JOLLYLViva la rock .... the killer lives onThu Oct 08 1992 16:112
    
    Best of luck, have a good trip.
33.979Live on central ??CHEFS::HOUSEBThu Oct 08 1992 16:143
    is the game live in any of the other tv regions ?? esp. Central.
    
    		Brian.
33.980No interference with Coronation StreetSIOG::COLMANThu Oct 08 1992 17:1311
    In reply to previous notes
    
    1.  Leeds were included in the third round draw last night. The 
    winner of their tie is away, but I cannot remember who.
    
    2.  To the best of my knowledge the Stuttgart game is live on most
    if not all ITV regions starting at 8:00 with kick-off at 8:15.
    
    
    Stephen C.
    
33.981!@#$%^PEKING::BAREFIELDANEVER FELT MORE LIKE SINGING THE BLUESThu Oct 08 1992 17:403
    
    Leeds will be away at watford in the Coca Cola Cup if they win..
    
33.982best of luckMACNAS::JMURPHYIt's a Funny Old Game...Thu Oct 08 1992 18:5312
    
    Best of Luck Leeds tomorrow night..in Barcelona...
    
    HW is having problems at right back , I'm sure David Batty hates
    playing there , also your Central Defence is leaking an awful lot
    of goals..
    
    Should be a good game tomorrow night , looking forward to watching it.
    
    Come on Leeds , you can do it
    
    jm
33.983leaky at the backFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandThu Oct 08 1992 19:497
    
    the score tommorow will either be 2-1 to leeds or 3-2 to leeds
    No way will we keep a clean sheet (I wish it were otherwise).
    
    	Leeds Leeds LEEDS
    
    SteveP
33.984Come on you blues (or is it yellows?)ISEPUB::CHAMPOLLIONCan-tas-ticThu Oct 08 1992 20:383
33.985GYMAC::DCASSIDYThu Oct 08 1992 20:5113
    
    Having seen the way Frankfurt stuffed them on Sunday night 4-0
    I think Stuttgart Football club is feeling just a little embarrassed
    
    I shouldn't be surprised if Stuttgart have thrown in the towel...
    They're the laughing stock of European Football at the moment. Let's
    hope Leeds capitalise on this....
    
    The irony of it all is that had it happened in Germany i.e. the German
    Cup....no excuses ..next time read the rule book...which is exactly
    what Leeds did regarding Speed....
    
    Dezzz.
33.986spot-kicks will decide it after extra time..TRUCKS::SANTTorpedoed in Moskow....Fri Oct 09 1992 11:184
    
    	Go to it, Leeds! Good luck. I'll be watching on the box.
    
    	Andy.
33.987ARRODS::OHAGANBDirk, Nasty, Stig, Barry, LeggyFri Oct 09 1992 20:183
    Good luck Leeds Leeds Leeds! 
    
    barry.
33.988Final ResultMADBAS::DREESRelegation....??Sat Oct 10 1992 01:038
    
    Leeds 2     Stuttgart 1
    
    Strachen 32mins     Golke 38mins
    Shutt 76mins
    
    
    Leeds thru' to play Rangers
33.989Boawing !! PAKORA::JJACKOnce a Tim..always a Tim !Sat Oct 10 1992 13:0011
    
    Well, as much as I hate to admit it, Rangers have nothing to fear in
    round 2 of the European Cup. Judging by last nights performance, 
    I predict the Huns will win 2-0 at Ibrox & draw 1-1 at Elland Rd.
    
    
    Here's hoping I'm proved wrong
    
    SQFCSC
    
       
33.990PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCMon Oct 12 1992 11:386
    
    Good result..Justice was done.
    
    All that is required now is to stuff the English Jocks.
    
    Dave...
33.991Leeds 3 rangers 1 agg. scoreCHEFS::HOUSEBMon Oct 12 1992 13:1013
    When is the first leg ?? Is it a week on wednesday ??
    
    If Leeds can give the same commitment as they gave in the 2nd leg and
    replay against Stuttgart then they should have no problem disposing of
    the Huns.
    
    Biggest advantage for Leeds will be the fact that they are playing
    quality opposition week in week out.  Rangers face quality opposition
    only 4 times a season in the tin-pot premier and therefore will
    struggle against Leeds although they are only mid table in the English
    premier.
    
    		Brian.
33.992Out-in-out-in-out-in?XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Oct 12 1992 14:2223
33.993Barcelona Barmy armyWELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Mon Oct 12 1992 17:5527
    
    
    
      James,
           Yes i was there, i think we had more fans there than
    Stuttgart!!!.   About 1500 potato's to get in (169=1 pound), but what a
    magnificent stadium. Their second team stadium across the road holds
    about 20k and would put most premier clubs stadia to shame.
       Not a particularly brilliant game but a sweet victory none the less.
      Thought that Newsome had a good game, Eric tired early (again) and
    Strachs played a blinder. Don't know the situation about the Rangers
    tickets yet but will write here when i do.
        I watched the highlights twice on Eurosport over there and Archie
    Macpherson kept calling Whyte, Fairclough and vice-versa all the way
    through the commentary, really annoying.
        I managed to pick up a bug or two (of the stomach variety) which
    i'm just recovering from but it was worth the trip. Looks like Watford
    in the league cup assuming we finish off Scunthorpe ,Wilko left Wallace 
    out on friday which was good for us as we may need him for Sheffield
    next saturday, Dorigo missed the first training session with England
    due to a sore toe, Should be fit for the game  (don't suppose he
    will be chosen though!!!!)
    
    
    
    Paul....
                                                  
33.994Congrats.UPROAR::WOODWARDDDave WoodwardTue Oct 13 1992 10:4912
    
    
    Justice for Leeds in an open and Shutt case !!!
    
    Good headline from a national on sat am eh !!!
    
    
    
    Well done Leeds.
    
    
    dw.(Thfc)
33.995No Away Supporters !MASALA::JOWENSTue Oct 13 1992 12:217
    
    It would appear that Leeds & Rangers have decided to ban away
    supporters from both legs. I don't think this is fair, do you? We are
    supposed to live in a free country and all that.
    
       Jonno
    
33.996Let them inCHEFS::HOUSEBTue Oct 13 1992 13:5211
    Once again the police have stepped in and are trying to run the game. 
    They have already ruined the FA Cup by forcing the introduction of
    penalties and are now trying to spoil an interesting Euro tie.
    
    The atmosphere could be electric but I don't see why this necesarily
    means there would be trouble.  There is never any hooliganism when
    Scottish fans are involved - just ask the McNoters, so I am sure all
    travelling Rangers fans would walk away from any potentially violent
    confrontations :-)
    
    		Brian.
33.997The boys in blueFORTY2::FOWLERMWed Oct 14 1992 13:1014
Standing Room Only did an interesting article on the police during the last show.

I don't know about you, but I was unaware that the police get to decide how many
officers you need, and then charge you accordingly. If you don't agree though,
you can always call the game off. Hardly fair, really. 

Surely the clubs should be able to have some input into policing levels. The old
chairman of Aldershot, in their league days, claimed that the police were at 
least partly to blame for his club going out of business. Apparently 25% of the
club's income, or so he claimed, was going to the police.

Still, I suppose they have to do something with their Saturday afternoons.

Mike
33.998FORTY2::ETHERIDGENo way figure 4Wed Oct 14 1992 17:548
>> chairman of Aldershot, in their league days, claimed that the police were at 
>> least partly to blame for his club going out of business. Apparently 25% of the
>> club's income, or so he claimed, was going to the police.

And also interesting to hear that now when playing in Diadora Div. 3 they get 
similar sized crowds and have virtually no Police there at all.

Ian.
33.999Sheff Utd tomorrow.XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsFri Oct 16 1992 16:4810
Looks like Cantona is back for tomorrows game versus Sheff Utd. Wallace is on
the mend and should be back soon also. 

It looks like already that Leeds will have serious fixture congestion if we 
continue our progress in the cups. Anyone know when the return of the Scunthorpe 
match is pencilled for?

Anyone got any other news? The newspapers have been quiet recently.

                           James.
33.1000Watford - Nov 10??YUPPY::TAYLORMFri Oct 16 1992 17:394
    All i know is that Watford v Leeds (or Scunthorpe :-)) is 
    scheduled for Tues November 10th
    
    Martin
33.1001Home win.XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Oct 19 1992 12:5014
Leeds 3 - 1 Sheff Utd

A good solid home win on Saturday with Chapman, Speed and Whyte (of all people)
scoring. Whyte's only 2nd or 3th goal for the club. Leeds seem to have played 
well, but Stuart Hall did say in his poetic manner that Leeds still are 
uncomfortable at right back. Other than that Leeds have a rounded look about
them. 

Roll on Rangers on Wednesday night. They seem to have been a little preoccupied 
as them only won 1-0 where an average of 6 or 7 goals could have been expected. 
Maybe they are worried about Leeds on Wednesday. Their bubble (Rangers) is about 
to burst :).

                            James.
33.1002Leeds Who?????MASALA::BFINLAYTHE HIBINATORMon Oct 19 1992 14:4113
     RE: 1001               
    
     What do you mean Rangers were expected to win by 6 or 7 goals on Saturday,
     Do you know who Hibernian Football Club actually are.The last league
     match between Hibs and Rangers at Easter road was a non scoring draw.
     Hibs beat Rangers last season in the Skol Cup Semi-Final which they
     then went on to win.I think you may be in for a bit of surprise when
     you come up to Ibrox and see the standard of Scottish football.Rangers
     were never expected to win by 6 or 7 goals against Hibs. Leeds will
     have to turn in some display to take anything away from Ibrox. Hard
     to take much out of pre season friendlies but the team who have been
     dominating English football were well beating by Hibs 3-0. That team
     being Blackburn Rovers.  
33.1003REPAIR::COSSEYMon Oct 19 1992 16:039
    
    re.1002
    
    Do us a favour, we know there's only two teams in Scotland and Hibs
    certainly isn't one of them, Leeds will show over the two legs how 
    much better the English Premier league really is and how much the
    Scottish league is behind ours... 
    
    Neil...  
33.1004KURMA::SNEILTartan ArmyMon Oct 19 1992 16:244
    
    So who's the two teams,Rangers and who ??????
    
    SQF Blue nose
33.1005Rangers reserves?MOEUR3::CROUCHNo FT, No AndrexMon Oct 19 1992 16:310
33.1006PEKING::NAGLEJMon Oct 19 1992 17:266
    
    There ARE only two teams in Scotland. Lossiemouth United and
    Fraserburgh Rangers.
    
    JN.
    
33.1007Rangers to winSIOG::N_DONNELLYMon Oct 19 1992 19:186
    As a neutral(not Scottish or English) I personally think that Rangers
    would hold their own in the English Prem.I also think that they will
    beat Leeds.I'm looking forward to it, it should be a cracker.
    
    Noel
    
33.1008Attack of the Jambos in the Leeds note :-).XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Oct 19 1992 19:210
33.1009I'm shouting for ye Leeds :-(MACNAS::CWALSHLife's a beach, then you diveTue Oct 20 1992 19:468
    Any team news on tomorrow night, I hear Wallace is back in contention
    It doesn't really matter what team the Leeds boys play they're still 
    going to stuff 'em and prove that there's only two premier leagues....
    The English abd Irish of course....
    
    Now Blackburn and Bohs would make a good game :-)
    
    Colm.
33.1010Score on the door!!FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandTue Oct 20 1992 19:506
    
    	What's the score going to be?
    
    	I say 2-1 to Leeds Leeds Leeds
    
    SteveP
33.1011Leeds 3 Rangers 1 on aggregateCHEFS::HOUSEBWed Oct 21 1992 11:1224
    Tonight's the night for the battle of Britain round 1.
    
    Did anybody see the Mirror yesterday with the article by Richard Gough
    saying that Ally McCoist is the best striker in Britain.  What is Gough
    on.  Everybody knows that if McCoist played week in week out against
    quality sides rather thatn Falkirk, Motherwell and Airdrie - he would
    struggle to have a third of the total he has so far this year.
    
    As for the rubbish some people have been talking about Rangers having
    the best stadium in Britain.  What does the place hold???? Not even
    40,000.  If the Stadium isn't big enough to cope with the demand of a
    2nd round Euro tie and instead bans away fans - how can it claim to be
    Britains number one stadium.
    
    For tonight I see it being a close game.  The Rangers forward line will
    be up against a mediocre premier league defence but that will be enough
    to snuff out the "threat" of McCoist & Co.  But the Huns will hold firm
    at the back and will sneak a 0-0 draw.
    
    Any other predictions/comments.
    
    		Brian.
                
    		
33.10122-0 RangersMADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Wed Oct 21 1992 11:2618
    
    
    re last
    
     Your comments about Ibrox are a bit out. It is without doubt the best
    club stadium in Britain, I think the crowd limit is 44,000. No other
    club ground in the country has the facilities that Ibrox has, nor do
    they get a full-house at virtually every home game.
    
     The reason why there are no away supporters is do to with safety and
     security reasons. There will be no Rangers supporters at Leeds for the
     2nd leg either.
    
     Back to the game itself, it should be very close but I reckon Hateley
     and McCoist will get enough chances against what I consider to be a 
     pretty average Leeds central defence.
    
     Danny.
33.1013Light blue touch paper and retire...WOTVAX::SHAW27::WATTERSONPthuthring thuckatansWed Oct 21 1992 11:3849
    
    Let's have a quick 'Cunno-type' assessment of the key men...
    
    John Lukic -.                             Andy Goram
    
    experienced keeper,                       Failed in the English second
    two English championship medals.          division at Oldham - never
    Solid on crosses and a good shot          looked special playing for
    stopper                                   Scotland - has the added
                                              disadvantage of being
                                              a Scottish goalie.
    
    9 out of 10                               2 out of 10
    
    Chirs Fairclough                          John Brown
    
    A tower of strength in Leeds succesful    Average player - can't even
    championship season. No real weaknesses.  make the Scottish team.
    
    8 out of 10                               3 out of 10
    
    Chris Whyte                               Richard Gough
    
    Effective in the air, good on the         Had a nightmare spell at
    ground.                                   Tottenham, another player
                                              who failed to make the grade
    	                                      in England.
    8 out of 10                               3 out of 10
    
    Gordon Strachen                           Trevor Steven
    
    Getting on a bit, but still the           A class player at Everton,
    man who makes Leeds tick.                 but too many years in lower 
                                              leagues have blunted him.
    8 out of 10                               5 out of 10
    
    Lee Chapman                               Ally McCoist
    
    Lethal in the air, and good on            Yet another player who 
    the ground for a big player.              failed to make the grade
                                              in England - scores a lot
                                              against the Airdries and
                                              Falkirk, but consistantly
                                              fails to score in Europe or
                                              when playing for Scotland.
    
    9 out of 10                               4 out of 10
    
    Paul - lots of :-)s
33.1014WE R A PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!MASALA::SNEILPlay that funky music white boyWed Oct 21 1992 11:3917
     Here we go again...The Ally McCoist is/isn't the best striker in
    Britain.The Fact is he has scored 24 goals this season and is
    consistently the best striker in Scotland,Last season he won the golden
    boot so like it or not,he IS the best striker in Britain.

     As for Ibrox,It hold approx 44,000 and has by far the best amenities
   for fans.Is there any ground in England that has TV's inside,so when you
   go for food you can still watch the game.
    
     The reason way fans have been band is Rangers didn't want any English
   hooligans coming up to cause trouble and the fact that the could still
   sell about another 10,000 tickets to home fans.
    
    Rangers to win 2-0 tonight and a 1-1 draw in the second leg.
    
    SQF blue nose
33.1015MASALA::SNEILPlay that funky music white boyWed Oct 21 1992 11:425
    re .1013

     I was getting very upset there till I seen all those smiles.
    
    
33.1016Facts not Fiction!PAKORA::JOWENSWed Oct 21 1992 11:4218
    re.-2
    
     Please get your facts before you start sounding like a tabloid
    reporter.
     The Ibrox capacity at the moment is 38000 due to EUFA regs for
    standing areas which restricts the crowd limit.It will soon hold 45000 
    (all seated).
     The reason for no away support at either game is that of security NOT
    due to lack of ground capacity.
    
    
    
    
      Jonno
    
    
    
    
33.1017PEKING::NAGLEJWed Oct 21 1992 12:3319
    
    The only way Rangers would get a capacity crowd along to watch
    them would be if U2 or Simply Red were playing at Ibrox at the
    same time.
    
    Apart from that why do Rangers have so many supporters ? Simple,
    they are the best team in Scotland and the syndrome is that the
    people support the best team. Its similar to the attitude that
    woman have where they support ANY team wearing red shirts. Teams
    wearing red shirts who have had successes between them are Arsenal
    and Liverpool. Both of these teams BTW, even on their present form,
    would emerge victorious over Glasgee.
    
    It'll be close tonight but I reckon Leeds will edge passed on a
    scoreline of 65 - 0.
    
    Never before in the field of human conflict an all that..........
    
    JN. )
33.1018Facts, not fictionMADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Wed Oct 21 1992 12:5516
    
    
    Dear oh dear,
    
     if all you foreigners checked your stats before entering notes you
    might get your facts right. Rangers play to a full-house virtually
    every home game. They are the best supported team in Britain this
    season. I do believe that an average division 1 team in Newcastle are
    currently getting bigger gates that the teams in the premier league
    down south. 
    
     Why do Rangers have so many supporters? Simple, they are successful on
    and off the field with a wee bit of religion thrown in to boot. Any
    team that is successful will attract more supporters to their games.
    
     Danny.
33.1019Big fish in the smallest pond ever dugCHEFS::HOUSEBWed Oct 21 1992 13:048
    Danny,
    
    I don't suppose you'll need breakfast today after chewing on all that
    bait this morning.
    
    Come on Leeds Leeds
    
    		Brian.	
33.1020KURMA::SNEILPlay that funky music white boyWed Oct 21 1992 13:115
    
     
     For a small pond yer man Sterland drowned in it. @:^))
    
    
33.1021 GERS AYOV14::BGILCHRISTWed Oct 21 1992 13:236
    
      Prediction for to night..........
    
           Rangers 1  leeds 0
    
            
33.1022FACTESSB::BLONGI Was There on the Stretford EndWed Oct 21 1992 13:5710
33.1023PLUNDR::MORANWell Des, it was a bit of a bobbler....Wed Oct 21 1992 14:145
    
    .....and Newcastle are hardly 'average' anyway ;-) (11 wins from the
    off).
    
    Tim
33.1024WHO...MADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Wed Oct 21 1992 14:226
    
    
    Aye, but their playing in a mickey-mouse league!!
    
    
    :-) :-) :-)
33.1025PLUNDR::MORANWell Des, it was a bit of a bobbler....Wed Oct 21 1992 14:345
    
    ...and Falkirk, Partick, Motherwell, Airdrie etc. aren't fully paid up
    Walt Disney fan club members ? ;-)
    
    Tim
33.1026PEKING::NAGLEJWed Oct 21 1992 14:454
    
    I've heard that Mickey Mouse has a Glasgow Rangers watch.
    
    JN.
33.1027KURMA::SNEILUpward and onwardWed Oct 21 1992 14:492
    
    Ye! He couldn't get his Leeds one to work.
33.1028Leeds to win 3-1 at Elland Road.PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCWed Oct 21 1992 15:059
    
    Good Luck to Leeds tonight.
    
    Hopefully they will go through over two legs,although it will be hard
    tonight.
    
    I'll go for 1-1
    
    Dave...
33.1029I think ...XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsWed Oct 21 1992 15:1813
Leeds have a tough assignment tonight in Glasgow. To get away with a result will
set Leeds in very good stead for the home leg. This is a critical game for
both leagues as for years to come, whoever wins this game will *claim* that their
league is better. I hope that Leeds can win and prove that the English league is
much stronger in depth. However, saying that I think that Rangers are a good 
side but they do play against the likes of Falkirk, Motherwell and other non
entities everyday. This does tend to disadvantage a team when they play good
opposition => Leeds. 

Who won't be watching the game on the box tonight? I think that Leeds will 
escape with a 1-1 draw going 1-0 down early and get a late equaliser :-).

                              James.
33.1030what a view!!FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandWed Oct 21 1992 15:439
    
    As I (a leeds supporter) live within spitting distance of Ibrox I can't
    wait till I see the 42,000 decimated rangers fans drag their feet down
    my street on the way home after the match thinking on what might have
    been..
    
    	what a sight
    
    SteveP
33.1031Rangers 1 Leeds 2ARRODS::OHAGANBSaid you came from MemphisWed Oct 21 1992 15:4610
    Re .Unofficial British Championship
    
    1989.  Rangers 1 Arsenal 2 (yes at Ibrox).
    
    Higher stakes tonight but it does'nt mean the above game was'nt
    competitive. A lovely goal from Paul (remember him?) Davis if I
    remember rightly. 
    
    barry.           
      
33.1032PEKING::NAGLEJWed Oct 21 1992 17:2680
			EUROPEAN RECORDS

RANGERS - In European Cup

P	W	D	L	F	A

61	28	10	23	97	96



LEEDS - In European Cup

20	14	1	5	48	16


To me its obvious that LEEDS have the better record. Its amazing the
number of goals conceded by Rangers as is the number of goals for. Look
at the number of goals for Leeds. Almost half as many as Rangers in
a third of the total games played.
 
The two comparisons demonstrate how easy it has been for Rangers to 
get into Euro Cup competitions as they have had little competition 
in order to qualify over the years. Leeds on the other hand play football 
in a far more competitive arena hence the increased difficulty in being
able to qualify.



     RANGERS RECORD AGAINST ENGLISH OPPOSITION IN ALL EURO COMPS


COMP		OPPONENT	SEASON		RESULTS

CWC		Wolves (sf)	60/61		W 2-0 (H), D 1-1 (A)

CWC		Spurs (2nd)	62/63		L 2-5 (A), L 2-3 (H)

FAIRS CUP	Leeds (qf)	67/68		D 0-0 (H), L 0-2 (A)

FAIRS CUP	Newcastle (sf)	68/69		D 0-0 (H), L 0-2 (A)




     LEEDS RECORD AGAINST SCOTTISH OPPOSITION IN ALL EURO COMPS


FAIRS CUP	Killy (sf)      66/67		W 4-2 (H), D 0-0 (A)

FAIRS CUP	Hibs (3rd)	67/68		W 1-0 (H), D 0-0 (A)

FAIRS CUP	Rangers (qf)	67/68		D 0-0 (A), W 2-0 (H)

FAIRS CUP	Dundee (sf)	67/68		D 1-1 (A), W 1-0 (H)

EURO CUP	Celtic (sf)	69/70		L 0-1 (H), L 1-2 (A)

UEFA CUP	Hibs (2nd)	73/74		D 0-0 (H), D 0-0 (H)**

** LEEDS won on penalties.


As can be seen from the Rangers table they have only beaten one
English team, Wolves who are a mediocre team at that. It is fair
to say that in Euro competitions Rangers have had a tough time
against English sides.

Apart from the 69/70 loss to Celtic the Leeds table shows nothing
but success against Scottish clubs in Euro comps. The away record
is very impressive.

If previous records are anything to go buy, and whose to say that
they are ? then the best Rangers can hope for at home is a draw.

Enjoy and lets hope for an entertaining game tonight.

JN.


33.1033WHO do I make the cheque payable to ????MASALA::SNEILUpward and onwardWed Oct 21 1992 17:4318
    
  Re .1032
     
          On paper Leeds record looks good.........until you consider that
     leeds were still under the "bribe" tactics of Don Revie.. 8-))))
    
    
    
    ps: Who the hell are Killy ??????
    
       Do you by chance mean Kilmarnock ( then that should be Killie)
    
    
      SQF Killie........
    
    
    
    
33.1034RFC 5 LUFC 0FAILTE::WALLACEDDAVID WALLACEWed Oct 21 1992 18:1013
    Rangers will show who's boss tonight.   They are by far the greatest
    club in Britain, if not Europe.  Leeds?   Leeds who?   In Scotland
    every wee boy wants to grow up and play for Rangers.   What wee boy
    would want to play for Leeds, unless as a punishment.   I'm sick of all
    the arrogant empty-headed comments from people who have never seen the
    game played properly unless they have stayed in Scotland.   My
    prediction for tonight.   A walkover for Rangers.   At least 5-0 to
    Rangers.  Oh way oh way oh way!
    
    David
    
    -RFC-
    
33.1035What will it be like by 5:30?YUPPY::OHAGANBDirk, Nasty, Stig, Barry, LeggyWed Oct 21 1992 18:2410
    > They are by far the greatest club in Britain, if not Europe.
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    There goes a man with a wicked sense of humour. Oh I how I 
    laughed. Now back to the bullsh*t flying from both sides of 
    the border. 
    
    :^)
    
    barry. 
    
33.1036also ...XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsWed Oct 21 1992 18:399
re -3

Its ominously Leeds for tonight and 

re -1 

it will be FAILTE to leeds into the Q-F's of the Euro cup and SLAINTE to Rangers. 
 
                              James.
33.1037Entertaining isn't it!!!!MASALA::JOWENSWed Oct 21 1992 18:5910
    
     After watching Sunday's Italian game they should call off the European
    Cup and just give to AC Milan.
    
     At least it would stop the slagging session......on second thoughts
    this slagging each other off is good entertainment. Kepp up the abuse
    levels guys. ;-)
    
       Jonno
    
33.1038 "" GER-RIFIC! "" 8^}AYOV14::BGILCHRISTThu Oct 22 1992 11:0112
    
      All after me...............
    
       Super Ally  Super Ally away away away !!!!!!!!!!
    
       If Rangers are english 3rd div class ? what the hell are Leeds
    
                  MR NIJAG IF THAT IS YOUR NAME STCK THIS IN YOUR RECORD
                     BOOK
    
    
               **************** RANGERS 2  LEEDS 1 ****************
33.1039Lucky AllyCHEFS::HOUSEBThu Oct 22 1992 11:306
    "Super Ally"
    
    Do me a favour, if Leeds had had a half decent goalie he wouldn't have
    had a sniff.  Super Ally would struggle to get a game for Sunderland.
    
    		Brian.
33.1040two weeks of happiness!!FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandThu Oct 22 1992 12:236
    
    Leeds Leeds Leeds had to score for rangers just to wake them up 8-)
    
    	5-0 to Leeds in two weeks...
    
    SteveP
33.1041Super Ally....Super Ally....Ally,Ally,Ally.MASALA::ISUTHERLANDMore personal names than SNEILThu Oct 22 1992 12:352
    
    Apt personal name Mr.Page.
33.1042Scots rule supreme!AYOV10::BWALLACEThu Oct 22 1992 12:596
    Re: .1039
    
    It was the only way an English * was ever going to get on the score
    sheet.
    
    
33.1043AYOV10::BWALLACEThu Oct 22 1992 13:033
    should have been .1040
    
    Gazza!!! Durrant would have him in his pocket
33.1044golden rule!!FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandThu Oct 22 1992 13:109
    
    What can I say, in two weeks time the gold boot will be just a
    gold-brick.
    
    As for scotland ruling supreme, scotland doesn't even rule scotland.
    
    	Leeds Leeds Leeds
    
    SteveP
33.1045rules were made to be brokenFAILTE::CARTYPThu Oct 22 1992 14:089
33.1046Scorers?ISEPUB::CHAMPOLLIONCan-tas-ticThu Oct 22 1992 14:355
33.1047Nothing worse than a smug jock...PEKING::COSSEYNWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S BACKThu Oct 22 1992 14:4815
33.1048Rangers to Drink the last of the summer wine.KURMA::SNEILWhat colours the sky in your worldThu Oct 22 1992 14:565
    
     SMUG! you aint seen nothing yet boy,When we get our win in 13 days
    time we're going to make your life HELL!.
    
    SQF Blue nose.
33.1049A Draw Will DoESSB::BLONGI Was There on the Stretford EndThu Oct 22 1992 14:576
33.1050Let us in on the secretCHEFS::HOUSEBThu Oct 22 1992 15:504
    I bet the set hiddens were good.  Anybody be so kind as to give us an
    inkling of what they were about.
    
    		Brian.
33.1051Dissapointed in the game..PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCThu Oct 22 1992 16:1322
    
    I wasnt over impressed with either team,Leeds reminded me of the Arse
    last season against Benfica,great start,but when things started going
    wrong they just pumped the high ball up the pitch towards Chapman,who
    was awfull imo.Rangers for all there huff and puff created very little
    although McCoist should have had a penalty.I thought Hately did what Lee
    Chapman doesnt do,provide his team with a good target man,Chapman didnt
    win a header,Hately didnt lose a header.
      I couldnt understand why Leeds kept up the long high ball into the
    box,because in the first 20 minutes when they controlled the game,they
    were knocking it about well,and seemed to cause the Rangers defence
    much more trouble with the passing in and around the box.
      Both teams seemed to settle for the result,although Leeds had much
    more of the play in the second half.Batty had a great game as did
    Strachan.For the Jocks, Durrant played very well and looks a good
    player.
    
    All to play for,although I still expect Leeds to go through,and if they
    play like they did v Stuttgart in the 2nd leg,and like they did in the
    first 20 minutes last night they should go through easily.
    
    Dave...
33.1052An unbiased match reportXSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsThu Oct 22 1992 16:59100
Scene : My local. I entered at 7:30 thinking I had missed the start of the game.
What I got was a dose of the soaps. Percy got a visit from a german, with 
suitable accent, that he seems to have made a big impression on in 1942. 

Yawn ...


The match started at 8:05. Leeds go down the field and get a corner. Strachen 
cuts it in from the right wing. Rangers scramble it half clear and McAllister 
gets the sweetest of right foot volleys that went straight into the top left 
corner of the net. 1-0. It seemed that I was the only person in the whole world
that was cheering. It thought for a second that it was disallowed because the
crowd was so quiet :-). Leeds were 1-0 up without having to play. Perfect start. 

The pitch was very slippy and there was a constant drizzle through out the match.
The made ball control very difficult and it showed in some of the movements that 
took place. Although saying that the players on the pitch had good control.

Leeds were on top during the first quarter but Rangers looked very dangerous
throughout. In the 6th minute Rangers were very lucky not to have a penalty when
McCoist was taken out by Whyte inside the six yard box. Leeds lived dangerously.
They eventually paid for the carelessness. In the middle of the half Rangers
got a corner on their left. The ball looks innocent enough coming over. Lukic 
came out and, not exactly missed the ball, as half punched it. Unfortunately,
because of the nature of the ball, greasy, it spun backwards. Dorigo was on the 
line but on the other side. The ball had crossed the line before Dorigo hooked 
it out. 1-1.

From then on Leeds looked completely fragile. Rangers started attacking at will 
and soon got their reward. Another corner, this time from the right, rained in on
the Leeds goal. A Rangers player got his head to it, Lukic saved but palmed it 
back out into the path of McCoist. He *couldn't* miss! Leeds were in crisis. Just
before Half-time Newsome was unlucky not to get an undeserved equaliser when, 
from another corner he hit the post with a header. A defender was there to make 
sure that nothing came of it.

More goals were assured. Lukic made a couple of timely saves to end out the half
including a zinger from the left side before half time. Rangers went in on a 
high. I was depressed. Would Leeds be still in the tie come the end of the game.

Half-time took the sting out of the game. In the second half Leeds were about 
equal with Rangers. The game settled down quite a lot. The best Leeds chance 
probably fell to Chapman when Cantona (The only good thing he did all night) 
cut a low cross in from the left wing. Champan got a touch to it but not enough 
to force it past Goram.

Hateley had the bast chance when the Leeds defence moved out. A through pass
came cross field into Hateleys path. He advanced on goal. His control was poor 
and let the ball get ahead of him. By the time he got his chance in Lukic has it 
well under control.

Wilko, afterwards, was his usual informative self. He said that Leeds were lucky 
and unlucky to come away with only a 2-1 defeat. Well that was obvious. Why do
those T.V. Idiots keep annoying people seriously at work with such banalities!

Did anyone see the SEGA "What happened next". It was excellent. 

What happened next!

Imagine the scene 

Leeds 4 Stuttgart 4

The Stuttgart players are celebrating ... ?


























Leeds 2 Stuttgart 1 :-).

I liked the one where the defender in clearing a dangerous ball wallops a 
photographer with a loping left foot into the head and the one where the woman 
after scoring high-5's her team mate. The team mate falls flat on her back from
the whiplash. It was very funny.

Unbiased enough?

                          James.
33.1053Good game, good gameMIACT::RANKINEThu Oct 22 1992 17:2126
    Re -1
    
    Yep it was unbiased and a fair account of the game without any of the
    'Were better than you' crap thats been in this and 47 recently.
    
    As a referee I thought Whyte (in particular) and Fairclough were
    fortunate in not getting a yellow card each for bad tackles.  The rest
    of the game was played in a great competitive spirit though.
     
    Was it in this note that someone stated that Lukic was good at crosses
    and was rated at 9 out of 10, when Goram only got 2 out of 10 ???
    Whoever it was who wrote it must be hiding for such a public display of
    lack of judgement...smileys or not !!
    
    I thought it was a good game..1st half especially..and the result was
    just about right.  Batty and Strachan were superb for Leeds and Durrant
    was MOTM.  I was surprised how well McPherson played as Id always
    thought of him as being a bit raw and unskillful, but he was very
    composed and comfortable on the ball.  Apart from the excellent goal,
    McAllister was a bit non involved, or was he doing things off the ball
    that we couldnt see on the box ?? 
    
    I hope the return game is as exciting as last nights game.
    
    Paul
                                     
33.1054PEKING::NAGLEJThu Oct 22 1992 17:3812
    
    Most of the "we're better than you" crap is harmless banter
    just to liven things up a bit. Its no different than the 
    banter you have with your mates/team mates on a Sunday morning
    when getting kitted out to play for your own local team or
    when down the pub. In fact I'd say that the banter in here is
    tame in comparison to that of the outside world.
    
    As long as people aren't hurling insults at each other getting
    personal then no problem.
    
    JN.
33.1055WOTVAX::SHAW27::WATTERSONPthuthring thuckatansThu Oct 22 1992 18:439
>>    Was it in this note that someone stated that Lukic was good at crosses
>>    and was rated at 9 out of 10, when Goram only got 2 out of 10 ???
>>    Whoever it was who wrote it must be hiding for such a public display of
>>    lack of judgement...smileys or not !!
    
    Guilty M'lud - still, Lukic was the only assessment that wasn't
    accurate....
    
    Paul
33.1056Ah yes wellMIACT::RANKINEThu Oct 22 1992 20:0817
    Re -2 
    
    Point taken provided it is the were better than you argument/banter
    that applies to the teams playing.  What the result of the
    Rangers-Leeds tie will NOT decide is whether the English league is
    better than the Scottish one, whether super Ally is the best striker
    etc., that some noters appear to think it will.  Sure the tie is firng
    up some Scotland v England emotions, but it is 2 teams playing each
    other, not the FL premier v Scots Premier.
      IMHO the best league
    in Europe at present has to be the Italian Serie A, in terms of skill,
    quality of play and competitiveness, although Milan are dominating it
    at present.  I doubt whether any British club could seriously challenge
    for the Serie A title, but that doesnt mean over a 2 leg tie that Leeds
    or Rangers couldnt beat Milan.
    
    Paul
33.1057MOEUR3::CROUCHThe car in front is crapThu Oct 22 1992 20:159
    Not sure of my facts here, but didn't an English League Division 1
    representative side beat an Italian Serie B side 3-0 last night?

    Now I'm not suggesting that going one division up you'd get the same
    result, but I am suggesting that the English leagues are the strongest
    when you consider all divisions.

    Andy
33.10583-0CHEFS::HOUSEBFri Oct 23 1992 11:117
    Yep,
    
    Div 1 beat Serie B 3-0 at Ashton Gate.  I know Craig Maskell got one
    but not sure who got the others.  I understand Jim Magilton of Oxford
    was outstanding in midfield.
    
    		Brian.
33.1059WOTVAX::SHAW27::WATTERSONPEverton Everton rah rah rahFri Oct 23 1992 11:254
    
    3-1 wasn't it ?
    
    Paul
33.1060OUFCCHEFS::HOUSEBFri Oct 23 1992 11:357
    Paul,
    
    Could well have been 3-1.  I just took the opportunity to get in a
    cheap plug for an Oxford Utd. player !!!
    
    		Brian.
    
33.1061PEKING::NAGLEJFri Oct 23 1992 12:4118
    
    Martin Allen and Craig Maskell can claim two of the three goals. 
    The Barclays teams 2nd goal was deflected off of the Italian goal
    keeper from a Maskell cross. Giampiero Maini scored the only goal 
    for the Italians.
    
    Paul.
    
    I agree that the Leeds Rangers tie won't decide whether or not the
    English League is better than the Scottish but its all part of the
    wind up which for me is a great crack.
    
    However I have to say that one thing has already been proven. Super 
    Ally cannot cut it outside of the Scottish League. You've gotta have
    a laf eh ?
    
    JN.
    
33.1062BIBROK::ROBERTSONAin't it marvelousFri Oct 23 1992 13:3826
I'm surprised no-one mentioned Strachan's disallowed goal in the first half.

If that had gone in it would have been contender for goal of the season.

From outside the box he does one one-two ( Can't remember who with ) cuts into
the box and does another one-two with Speed, and then calmly walks the ball
around Goram and slots it into the net.

Unfortunately he was adjudged to have been offside when Speed returned the ball,
and at full speed I would have agreed. However, with a lot of cases, looking at
the incident in slow motion, showed that he was level. C'est le vie.

My views:

	A very entertaining first half, and Rangers definitely deserved their
lead. The second half was a bit of an anti-climax, with neither team wanting to
concede another goal. Hately should have done better with his effort late on.

As for McCoist, no matter what you say about his footballing ability, he's paid
to score, and score he does. Apart from the goal, he was noticable through his
absence for most of the game, which you could not say for Shearer, or Lineker.

	I look forward to the return leg. I would expect Leeds to go through.
I was expecting Rangers to make more of the fact that there was no away
supporters. I fully expect that to impact the result in a fortnight.

33.1063PAKORA::AMCARTHURreticle co-ordinator x8225Fri Oct 23 1992 15:5614
    
    JN,
    
    	You must have a serious problem with Ally Mcoist....
    
    	Although I am a Celtic fan I still admire him and I would say that
    he is a class striker. To say that he cant cut it outside the Scottish 
    game in my opinion is crap.
    
    I agree that the game will not decide which set up is best but
    obviously I still want the Scottish team to win through. 
    
    come on you huns (( that hurt ))
    
33.1064PEKING::NAGLEJFri Oct 23 1992 16:0813
    
    Oh my egg 'ead. Go an have a lay down son. Its only a wind
    up.
    
    I think Super Ally is an exceptional marksman who has no trouble
    finding the net. Last years Golden Boot is a great honour for
    any player so well done to Ally.
    
    Whats that smell, sniff, sniff. 
    
    Its BULL$HIT thats what !!!!
    JN.
    
33.1065Report?FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandMon Oct 26 1992 15:465
    
    Any one got a Match report???
    
    SteveP
    
33.1066Want to buy a central defender?SUBURB::PRATTJYou're joking - Jason what?Mon Oct 26 1992 21:4629
    Mr McPage,
    
    Went up on Saturday, and saw a real nightmare!
    
    Even my brother said that it was the worst game that he'd seen QPR play
    all season. It was frustrating to watch, Leeds were playing all the
    attractive football, while QPR played route 1. This probably had
    something to do with Gary Speed keeping Ray Wilkins quiet. 
    
    Missed out on 12 quid from ladbrokes when Steyskal produced a cracking
    save from Gary Speed, which then turned out to be offside.
    
    This sad tale of Leeds playing the better football, lasted right up
    until they scored, lovely strike from Strachan from a nod down by
    Chapman. Then they looked like a really nervous team that didn't
    derserve to be in front. The defence GAVE AWAY two terrible goals to
    QPR, the first a Header by Bardsley (around 6ft) who was being marked
    by Batty and Strachan (Can't be more than 5ft 5in each). The second goal
    was a headed clearance that Chris Whyte stopped running for against Les
    Ferdinand, while John Newsome just didn't have the legs to intercept
    it, a lucky bobble against Lukic, and Bobs' yer Uncle we haven't won
    away from home all season.
    
    A sad day, last year when they lost 4-1 was easier to take, at least
    then they were beaten by an on form team.
    
    Jas.
    
     
33.1067Press the self-destruct quick, lads.XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsTue Oct 27 1992 19:489
Another example on Saturday that Leeds wouldn't beat the district U-11 side away
from home this season. Letting QPR off the hook was a cardinal sin. 

Re -1

Leeds now look shaky both when they score and concede goals. What next?


                              James.
33.1068Winger and a prayer!SUBURB::PRATTJYou're joking - Jason what?Tue Oct 27 1992 21:1210
    
    I must admit the attack wasn't great either, for all the good play
    getting the ball into the QPR half, they didn't look like finishing
    many.
    
    Rod Wallace was running around like he was on Drugs - Sedatives. Didn't
    look like he could or wanted to take on the defence.
    
    Bring back Ooh Aah.....for the Rangers game, and the crowd should carry
    them through.
33.1069Cantona or Cannot ?!?MASALA::JOWENSWed Oct 28 1992 15:5312
    
    We are getting reports north of the border that Eric Cantona is out of
    favour with the Leeds manager. Is this true? The papers are even
    suggesting that he won't play against Rangers. Fair enough he seems to
    have hit a bit of bad form but the guy can still turn games with a bit
    of his magic.
    
    What do you guys who see him every week reckon. Should he play against
    the Gers or should you play Wallace????
    
          Jonno
     
33.1070MADBAS::DREESRelegation....??Wed Oct 28 1992 16:067
    
    I would have though it would have been better for Rangers if
    Cantona rather than Wallace played a week today. Gough and big bird
    should be able to cope with Cantona ok....but a fit Wallace is a different
    story. His pace could cause Rangers more trouble than Cantona's skill.
                                
    Del. 
33.1071The Gaping Hole = Leeds Back-FourESSB::BLONGI Was There on the Stretford EndWed Oct 28 1992 16:146
33.1072Another glorious result for Leeds away from home against world beaters Scumthorpe!XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsWed Oct 28 1992 16:400
33.1073Cantona's happy but Rocastle isn'tWELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Thu Oct 29 1992 14:3418
    
    
      Cantona is suffering from a hamstring (again) thats why he is out, I
    still don't understand why Wilko did not play Rocastle the other night
    and rest Strachan who was suffering from a thigh strain.
    
        I think that Wilko will revert back to his formation at the
    beginning of the season for the Rangers game and play three up front
    Chapman, Wallace and Cantona.
    
       Dorigo is still out with a groin strain from the QPR game last
    saturday, and sterland has got the go ahead to step up his training for
    the first team.
    
    Blackburn away if we get past Watford a week next tuesday in the fizzy
    drinks cup , both of these are tough games.
    
    Paul... 
33.1074Team from Scunthorpe game?XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsThu Oct 29 1992 16:369
Re -1

The way our away form is going the Watford gate could be an acute embarrassment
to Leeds. What team was played on Wednesday? Why didn't Wilko play some of the 
peripheral of the Panel i.e. Hodge, Shutt, Rocastle, Kelly, Wetherall even Day?
Paul, did you make the match - anyone with a mini report as I say nothing on the
papers over here.

                           James.
33.107530 up - just!XSTACY::JLUNDON@ILO 890-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Nov 02 1992 12:0517
Leeds 2 - 2 Coventry

Chapman      ?
Fairclough   ?

Leeds left it late against the team with the best away record in the premier
league this season to record their 30th league home game without defeat. In fact 
15 seconds from the end of this absorbing match. Chapman got his 11th goal of 
the season - warming up for the onslaught of Rangers on Wednesday. Cantona seems 
to have played well replacing the "ineffectual" Wallace. Leeds were in 
arrears twice in the game and richly deserved the draw in front of 25K fans. 
However, as always, worrying was the conceding of 2 goals. How will Leeds stop 
Rangers from scoring on Wednesday - we'll see?

                              James.

                  
33.10762 more Wednesday night !!MACNAS::CWALSHLife's a beach, then you diveMon Nov 02 1992 14:443
    Did you hear Ally got 3 at the weekend. What do all you Leeds Leeds
    Leeds noters think of that ???
    
33.1077Who were Rangers Playing?PLUNDR::MORANWell Des, it was a bit of a bobbler....Mon Nov 02 1992 14:501
    
33.1078PEKING::NAGLEJMon Nov 02 1992 14:578
    
    Probably another third rate Scottish team. Bring Ally south
    of the border into the English League and he wouldn't score
    in a brothel.
    
    Roll on Wednesday when Leeds demolish this Scottish myth.
    
    JN.
33.1079Who cares !!!MACNAS::CWALSHLife's a beach, then you diveMon Nov 02 1992 14:563
    Some team that has a defence that is on a par with Leeds....
    
    and they have a better goalkeeper
33.1080Glasgow Rangers, Unofficial British ChampionsAYOV22::BWALLACEMon Nov 02 1992 16:311
    Is the match being shown live in Galway, and if so, in what pubs?
33.1081Leeds are Gone..VAXVLS::CCASEYLiverpool now and forever..Mon Nov 02 1992 17:275
    Re. .1078
    
    Your could be right cause going by what your saying in that brothel is
    the only place that Lukic could manage to keep a clean sheet along with
    the rest of the Leeds team...
33.1082PEKING::NAGLEJMon Nov 02 1992 21:466
    
    Is that with or without the soiled Ally Machoist boxer shorts ?
    
    JN.
    
    
33.1083EVERY WHERE YOU GO !!MACNAS::SMORANTue Nov 03 1992 06:2010
    - .1080
    
    It will be shown live on UTV and will probably be on, in any pup you go
    into. May the best team win. 
    
    Stephen
    
    p.s. Best of luck to all the remaining teams.
    
    
33.1084-1. PUP = PUBMACNAS::SMORANWed Nov 04 1992 08:121
    
33.1085Good luck to all the ENGLISH teams tonight!!PEKING::COSSEYNWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S BACKWed Nov 04 1992 16:128
    
    Well, the battle of Britain continues tonight with Leeds the favourites
    to go through, if they show the same commitment tonight they showed
    against Stuggart then they will be through....Comfortably...
    
    Prediction for tonight    Leeds 2  Heavy drinking kilted types 0
    
    Neil....
33.1086Mc Justice?ARRODS::OHAGANBMan in the Corner ShopWed Nov 04 1992 16:2412
    re .last
    
    Has been a wee bit quite in here considering the game's tonight.
    
    barry. 
    
    p.s. Someone called up the 606 show a couple of Saturdays back and
    claimed that some of the Leeds fans who celebrated their side's goal
    at Ibrox were removed and slung in a cell for the night. Can anyone 
    confirm this? The chap, who reported it, seemed like a perfectly 
    reasonable type and not a stirrer.   
    
33.1087KURMA::AMCARTHURreticle co-ordinator x8225Wed Nov 04 1992 16:246
    Good luck Rangers ..........
    
    
    	prediction
    
    	Englands best  1   Huns 1
33.1088Essential viewing with a pintAYOV10::BWALLACEWed Nov 04 1992 16:254
    What's the best pub to watch the game tonight in or around 
    Eyre Square?
    
    BW
33.1089Gers to Roll on..VAXVLS::CCASEYLiverpool now and forever..Wed Nov 04 1992 16:468
    Leeds will have to play a lot better than they ave been playing
    recently if they want to win this match as far as i'm concerned i can
    see Rangers comming out on top may be not because they're the better
    side but because luck was on there side.  Luck is going to be the
    deciding factor to-night.
    
    Colin....
    ^^^^^^^^^
33.1090WE R A PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!KURMA::SNEILDIFFUSION MAN TECHWed Nov 04 1992 16:5012

     There are about 1000 Rangers fan traveling down to leeds for the game 
    tonight.Those with tickets WILL be allowed in.They will be kicked out
    if they are in any danger or if they cause trouble(which is not likely)
    
     A great pub to watch the game in would be the Loudon bar...pity your
    no where near it.
    
     Prediction for tonight Leeds 1 Rangers 3(all for the superstar)
    
    SQF Blue nose.
33.1091 "" FERGUSON FOR THE GERS ""AYOV14::BGILCHRISTWed Nov 04 1992 17:006
    
       My prediction for to night
    
                       LEEDS 1   RANGERS 1
                        ?        Ferguson
    
33.1092Leeds to win 2.0 (Chapman,Speed)PEKING::SHALLOMAWed Nov 04 1992 17:011
    
33.1093score line tonight.FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandWed Nov 04 1992 17:084
    
    LEEDS 3 'GERS 1
    
    SteveP
33.1094the LION goes from strength to STRENGTH :-)KURMA::CPATRICKI only do it,because It's good ??? :-)Wed Nov 04 1992 17:304
    
    Leeds 0 (coz they're crap)  Rangers 4 (coz they're SCOTTISH)
    
     SQF Jambo
33.1095Safety Removal MenPAKORA::JOWENSWed Nov 04 1992 17:4213
    re.1086
            the Leeds fans who celebrated the goal were ejected from Ibrox
    although they were not locked up. They were removed for their own
    safety.
    
    
     As for tonight.......Rangers will get a draw due to the Lack of a
    Leeds defence.
    
      Score -  Leeds 2-2 Rangers
    
         Jonno
    
33.1096PEKING::BAREFIELDAJACK CHARLTON IS DESPICABLEWed Nov 04 1992 18:3811
    
    Tonight will see the end of Rangers for another year, why do
    they let Jock clubs into Euro cups, probably to make the numbers
    up...
    
    Leeds will easily win 1-0 with a goal from Speed in the second half.
    This will show the sweaty socks who are the best of the British..
    
    Andy..B
    
    
33.1097Blue is the colourETGHUB::SSTEELEWed Nov 04 1992 18:4413
33.10983-1 (aet)ARRODS::OHAGANBMan in the Corner ShopWed Nov 04 1992 18:513
    Leeds to bag it in extra time. 
    
    barry. 
33.1099PEKING::NAGLEJWed Nov 04 1992 18:537
    RE .1097 Scottish Steele
    
    Are you sure thats not laughable instead of lovable ?
    
    3 - 0 to Leeds.
    
    JN.
33.1100The Laughing Jocks...MADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Wed Nov 04 1992 19:0410
    
    
    re last
    
     If you saw the program on Channel 4 last week about the Euro
    Championships in Sweden, you would realise that it's the Scots who are
    "lovable" and the English fans who are hated by every other nation.
    
    
      Danny.
33.1101PEKING::NAGLEJWed Nov 04 1992 19:1720
    
    
    Does that also include the GENUINE English football fans or
    are you relating specifically to the cretins who travel to
    these games purely to allow themselves to get out of control
    after having a few sherberts.
    
    What should not be forgotten is that the majority of GENUINE 
    English football fans do not travel to these games because of
    the cretins mentioned above. They have built such a reputation
    that the host nations police have no tolerance for the English
    supporter regardless of why they are there and as a result
    Italia '90 remains a bad memory for many a true England fan who
    went to holiday and follow the team but all they got instead was
    a kicking from the Police instead. Encouraged by the Italien
    equivalent of the cretins I'm refering too.
    
    Leeds 3  Marti Pello Haircuts 0
    
    JN.
33.1102can you hear the leeds fans sing (I cant hear a single thing)KIRKTN::CPATRICKI only do it,because It's good ??? :-)Wed Nov 04 1992 19:224
    My My......this will be a very interesting notes topic
    tomorrow morning !!!!!!
    
     SQF Jambo
33.1103Supporters or thugsPAKORA::JOWENSWed Nov 04 1992 19:2611
    re.1101
     The note does not refer to *all* English fans but unfortunately(as
    usual) the few have spoiled it for the many.
     You have all been tarred with the same brush and I reckon it will be
    many years before English fans will be welcome abroad in any nation.
    Their reputation prcedes them.
    
     As for tonight...come on Rangers....stuff the English no-hopers. 8-)
    
        Jonno
    
33.1104Tar ?? or black pudding mix ??KIRKTN::GMCKEEWed Nov 04 1992 19:395
    
    Aren't the Leeds fans a major source for the tar that the rest of
    Engerland has been brushed with.
    
    
33.1105Leeds 2 Ranger 0XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsWed Nov 04 1992 19:479
The game tonight is too close to call in my book. Leeds will do very well to 
hold Rangers scoreless. If they do Leeds *will* win - if they don't Leeds will
have an up hill battle on their hands. I predict that Leeds will make it 2-0
in normal time. It will mean probably goodbye to any chance of league glory this
season as the extra matches will be too much for the team. Leeds concede too
many goals - already this season they have held only 2 teams scoreless out of
19 games. It speaks for itself. Should be some atmosphere at Leeds tonight.  

                               James. 
33.1106Europes top striker to get a hat-trick.BHUNA::SNEILDIFFUSION MAN TECHWed Nov 04 1992 20:0110
    RE .1105
    
     Rangers have only failed to score in one game this season(and that was
    against the mighty Hibs @:^))in the only game we've lost this season we
    scored 3 goals....so it's looking like it will be our night.
    
    
     SQF Blue nose
    
            
33.1107Ou-ah!ULYSSE::CHAMPOLLIONCan-tas-ticWed Nov 04 1992 20:076
33.1108PAKORA::AMCARTHURreticle co-ordinator x8225Thu Nov 05 1992 00:091
    LEEDS O HUNS 1......Latest
33.1109the teddy bears picnicAYOV16::LDINWOODIEThu Nov 05 1992 02:577
      
      FINAL RESULT......Leeds 1  THE TEDDY BEARS 2
    
        well done mchatley and mcoist.....  a superb advert for british
        football.  unlucky leeds.   
    
                        p.s.    we ara people !!!!!!!!!!
33.1110Glasgow Rangers...British ChampionsKIRKTN::SNEILDIFFUSION MAN TECHThu Nov 05 1992 10:0714
    
    SteveP,JN,AndyB,Neil
    
      
    YOU
    
     ARE
     
    
      OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    TOO BAD,SO SAD.....BYE BYE
    
    
33.1111There's only ONE Premier League..........KURMA::ISUTHERLANDGo'n' play up your own endThu Nov 05 1992 11:1518
    
    A 3rd rate team from a 2nd rate league................1
    (French fella fi' Sheffield 85mins)
    
    The Champions of Great Britain and the Commonwealth...2 (Agg 2-4)
    (A guy,considered not good enough to play with a 4th rate National team
     by a manager not good enough to manage one, 2mins.
     A guy,who many consider to be the best striker in European football,
     but to others can only score against inferior opposition, 58mins)
    
    
    
    
    The result says it all really.
    
    
    And the team with Britain's best away record marches on......
     
33.1113AYOV11::KMCCLELLANDThe Honest TruthThu Nov 05 1992 11:4118
    Here is the menu for all Digital Canteens in England today;
    
    
    Humble Pie followed by
    
    
    Humble Pie
    
    with
    
    Humble Pie for afters and especially for Andy Barefield, whose comments
    only explain why the world hates the English;
    
    Second Helpings !
    
    Eat up lads , you deserve it .
    
    Kev...
33.1114So happy to be blueKIRKTN::SNEILDIFFUSION MAN TECHThu Nov 05 1992 11:5034
    
  >>  Tonight will see the end of Rangers for another year, why do
  >>  they let Jock clubs into Euro cups, probably to make the numbers
  >>  up...
    
      No,so we can hammer the English.
    
  >>  Leeds will easily win 1-0 with a goal from Speed in the second half.
  >>  This will show the sweaty socks who are the best of the British..
  >>  Andy..B
    
     Yes Leeds did show who was SIMPLy THE BEST
         
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>>  Probably another third rate Scottish team. Bring Ally south
>>  of the border into the English League and he wouldn't score
>>  in a brothel.
    
    A brothel...well,it did look like a bit of a den.

>>  Roll on Wednesday when Leeds demolish this Scottish myth.
   
    Myth...that should read legend. 
    JN.

    Wonder if your brave enough to come in and admit you are wrong.

    SQF Blue nose
33.1115They're very quietMACNAS::CWALSHLife's a beach, then you diveThu Nov 05 1992 12:1812
    re. -1
    
    It looks like they're not brave/man enough to face the truth.
    Truth being they got the crap beat out of them and all they could do in
    response was pump it into the box but to no avail.
    
    Looking through the replies I don't see BarefieldA or JN or .. or ....
    any "we're the best team in Brirtan" Leeds noters.
    
    Come on lads give us some fun.
    
    Colm.
33.1116Wilkinson's Blunt SwordsARRODS::OHAGANBMan in the Corner ShopThu Nov 05 1992 12:276
    Well done Rangers. Brilliant defending and finishing. Let's keep the
    praise to a minimum as it's agony typing this. Since you'll probably
    win the Scottish Prem this year let's hope the Gunners meet you in the 
    Champions cup next year. Real opposition.....
    
    barry. 
33.1117PEKING::BAREFIELDAJACK CHARLTON IS DESPICABLEThu Nov 05 1992 12:288
    
    How did you guess that we have humble pie in our canteen today,
    haggis flavour i believe. I think i'll give it a miss though,
    Jock crap always turns my stomach..
    
    Andy..B
    
    
33.1118KIRKTN::SNEILDIFFUSION MAN TECHThu Nov 05 1992 12:432
    ..Turns yer stomach....we certainly turned yer team over.
33.1119PEKING::BAREFIELDAJACK CHARLTON IS DESPICABLEThu Nov 05 1992 13:377
    
      How did you turn my team over last night, i dont even support
      leeds im glad to say. I just hate seeing the sweaty socks win
      anything..
    
    Andy..B
    
33.1120 helpFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandThu Nov 05 1992 13:434
    
    Can anyone supply details of how to get a Leeds Leeds Leeds Fanzine?
    
    SteveP
33.1121FORTY2::ASHGrahame Ash @REOThu Nov 05 1992 13:4713
I hope Leeds are going to learn the right lessons about last night's defeat. 
Everyone's going on about Lukic and the defence, but it was the much-vaunted 
(whatever that means!) midfield and attack which couldn't produce the goods 
against a heroic Rangers defence. Leeds just didn't have the imagination or 
patience to try and break them down scientifically - almost all the attacks 
ended in a chip into the overcrowded box. I was amazed when it actually did 
pay off - but the damage was done by then. A few more attempts at the sort of 
move which led to Strachan's 'goal' in the first leg was what was needed.

Still, you're probably still the best team in England - whatever that's worth 
these days!!

grahame
33.1122PEKING::BAREFIELDAJACK CHARLTON IS DESPICABLEThu Nov 05 1992 13:553
    
    Vaunted:: to boast or brag..
    
33.1123BIBROK::ROBERTSONAin't it marvelousThu Nov 05 1992 13:5667
33.11241314....1992....we win againPAKORA::SNEILDIFFUSION MAN TECHThu Nov 05 1992 14:0310
    RE .1119

     Well you'll not be to happy today then(but who cares).We've seen off
    Englands best(twice).so away and shout about cricket....no you get
    beaten at that as well.

     BTW I think Leeds did win something...It must be a record getting
    knocked out of the European cup twice in the same season.

                         SQF Blue nose
33.1125funny man - give him a prize.XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsThu Nov 05 1992 14:2610
re -1 


>     BTW I think Leeds did win something...It must be a record getting
>    knocked out of the European cup twice in the same season.

Ho-ho-ho. Did you ever think about becoming a comedian. You could keep telling
that joke forever and no one would ever laugh ;-).

                            James.
33.1126KIRKTN::CPATRICKDo it to me just ONE time..maybeThu Nov 05 1992 14:458
    YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
    
     Although it busts my gut to say this.....Well done Rangers....
    
     But then again I would congradulate any team who beat an English
     one... 
    
     SQF Jambo
33.1127The boot is on the other foot, and they dont like itMIACT::RANKINEThu Nov 05 1992 15:138
    Re -1 
    
    Yes but were not allowed to enjoy it , if -2 is anything to go by.
    
    Not only have they lost all their teams in Europe but theyve lost their
    sense of humour as well.
    
    paul
33.1128R.I.P. Leeds United F.C.VAXVLS::CCASEYLiverpool now and forever..Thu Nov 05 1992 15:1733
    News hot of the Press..
    
    Supplies of humble pie have run out in Leeds and Artics(ps) have been
    spotted from all over the country heading for leeds.  Reports say that
    there might not be enough..
    
    Rangers carry on leaving the remains of Leeds behind..
    
                             ____________
                            /            \
                           /    R.I.P.    \
                          /     ------     \
                          | Here lie Leeds |
                          | Beaten over two|
                          | legs by the one|
                          | Glasgow Rangers|
                      \\\\|  4 - 2 on Agg. |////
        /----------------------------------------------------\
        | |                     Lukic                      | |
        | |                                                | |
        | |                                                | |
        | |    Fairclough     Newsome     Whyte   Dorigo   | |
        | |                                                | |
        | |                                                | |
        | |   Rocastle      McCallister   Speed   Strachan | |
        | |                                                | |
        | |                                                | |
        | |           Cantona             Chapman          | |
        | |                                                | |
        | |                                                | |
        | |                                                | |
        |/--------------------------------------------------\|
        /----------------------------------------------------\
33.1129Money, Money, MoneyETGHUB::SSTEELEThu Nov 05 1992 15:239

      Well done Leeds for giving us a good  training session before the 
      long journey across to the other side of Glasgow on Saturday.


                 Scott.

      ps  Eric Cantona would be in my team anyday
33.1130Wee Gordons better than that !!MIACT::RANKINEThu Nov 05 1992 15:3913
    
    Ok OK now Ive had my gloat, back to being serious...
    
    What was HW doing playing Strachan out on the left ??  I thought it
    made him less than effective, and the 1 really great move that he was
    involved in was when he picked the ball from his defence in Leeds' half
    and played down the middle with it.  IMHO, Strachan is a much better
    player when hes in the thick of things, than stuck out wide on the
    left.  Was pleased to see Eric having a good game after his non-event
    at Ibrox.  Rocky looked good for the 1st 45 and perhaps this might be
    the start of a run in the 1st team for him ??.
    
    Paul
33.1131ho ho hoFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandThu Nov 05 1992 15:4112
    
    ref -some
    
    	Us English may seem to have lost our sense of humor but at least we
    have one to lose.
    
    	It would be very unsporting if I were to say "I hope rangers get
    stuffed this weekend" so "I hope rangers get stuffed out of sight,
    kicked round the park and sent home in an envelope.":-)
    
    SteveP
    
33.1132Rangers 2:1 CantonaULYSSE::CHAMPOLLIONCan-tas-ticThu Nov 05 1992 16:5910
33.1133Well deserved victoryCHEFS::HOUSEBThu Nov 05 1992 17:0914
    It hurts me to say it but Rangers were the best team over two legs,
    from the keeper right through to the strikers.  Best were Goram, gough,
    McPherson (can't believe it), Durrant and to my surprise I thought
    Hately was outstanding in both matches.  
    
    Last night proved Leeds were simply not good enough.  they lack real
    creativity and are weak at the back although both goals last night were
    quality.  I wont wish Rangers good luck, because I hope they get
    knocked out in the mini-leagues - and I hope Celtic stuff them on
    Saturday but...........
    
    over two legs you thoroughly deserve to go through.
    
    		Brian. 
33.1134UNTADH::BIRSEC'mon ra 'D'Thu Nov 05 1992 19:027
Re 1131 

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I don't know....just can't keep these white settlers happy :^)...

Malcolm
33.1135MADBAS::DREESRelegation....??Thu Nov 05 1992 19:5813
    
    Most of the regular noters in this topic have aired their views about
    last night's Rangers victory.....but there is one noter conspicuous by
    his absence.......
    
    NAGLEJ......where are you ???????
    
    We the McNoters wait with baited breathe for your views on last nights
    game. 
    
    Del.
    
    ps. who scored Rangers 2nd ?
33.1136Not available in record stores.Postal applications sonlyMASALA::ISUTHERLANDGo'n' play up your own endThu Nov 05 1992 20:0421
    
    Very quiet in here today is it not? Since i'm in a particularly jovial
    mood,i suggest we have a little community sing-song to raise the 
    English noter's spirits.
    
    I'll start the ball rolling with that all time favourite of all noters
    south of this great footballing nation....
    
    
    "Soooper Aaaaaalllllyyy,Soooper Aaaaaallllly........."
    
    
    This will be immediately followed by....
    
    
    
    "There's not a team like the Glasgow Rangers" 
    
    
    
    This note is now open for your requests.
33.1137asheesh sheesh sheeshKIRKTN::CPATRICKMake Life Exciting ? Take A ChanceThu Nov 05 1992 20:209
    Ian.... my favourite one is ??????
    
     wait for it ??????
    
     In your Glasgow Slums..
    
     :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
    
     SQF Jambo
33.1138On Easy Street...MADBAS::DSMITHONE THOMAS BROLIN...Thu Nov 05 1992 20:3020
    
    
    Back to last nights game. 
    
    As some previous notes have said, Leeds seemed totally reliant on the
    high ball into the box which was easy meat for the Rangers defence.
    Leeds were just hoping for the break of the ball to hopefully get a
    scoring chance. To largely ignore the skills of Cantona was very
    strange. He was the one Leeds player who looked as if he could cause
    problems for Rangers. As it was Rangers defended very well against the
    big punt and deserved to win the match, they looked far more dangerous
    when going forward as they varied the style of play and knocked the
    ball into space and feet.
    
     Danny...
    
    ps 
    
    If Rangers had a half-decent goalkeeper last night, they would probably
    have kept a clean sheet. These Scottish keepers..:-) :-) :-) :-)
33.1139 SUPER ALLY 8^>AYOV14::BGILCHRISTFri Nov 06 1992 11:1612
    
     This one is for Mr J Nagle >>>>>>
    
       After me JN
    
       Super Ally Super Ally away away away 
    
      NOW YOU JN
       
       Super Ally Super ALLY away away away........
    
      Your not singing JN.
33.1140TRUCKS::SANTTorpedoed in Moskow....Fri Nov 06 1992 13:0316
    
    	Well done, Rangers. Good luck in today's draw. You deserved the
    	win over the two legs, especially after going one-down in the
    	tie so early on in the first game.
    
    	Leeds did all they could. Rangers had an excellent game-plan, which
    	they executed very well. They also played with a lot of passion and
    	never looked like giving up the lead they had.
    
    	From an Englishman who isn't a Leeds supporter but would have liked
    	them to have gone through....
    
    	MotM was McCoist. He was superb. All the tosh about him being
    	second-rate in a third-rate league was shown to be utter rubbish.
    
    	Andy.
33.1141TRUCKS::WARDRFri Nov 06 1992 14:119
    And what about Hately ?? - having suffered watching him at Monaco for
    several seasons (when he played that is), it wasn't really apparent
    what he could offer the game of football apart from a marvellous
    sun tan - maybe he is the unsung hero of Rangers ??   And did G.Taylor
    leave him out of the England pool for someone from Crystal Palace ..??
    
    [Actually the suffering was more watching Monaco than Hately ..]
    
    Ray
33.1142No way A.McCoist=MOMFORTY2::ETHERIDGELampshadeFri Nov 06 1992 14:1910
	re. -2

	Yeah, he notched a good goal, but MotM?? Steady now. All this "lets
	be nice fellas to the Scots lads" is going too far. Lets get back
	to the slating. I think everybody feels more comfortable with that.  
	8^)
	

	Ian.
33.1143Unsung Hero No moreKIRKTN::GMCKEEFri Nov 06 1992 14:3515
    
    RE.Hately
    
    	Hately is a major hero for the Rangers fans, his goals against
    Celtic,Aberdeen and now Leeds have been a major cause of celebrations
    in the past couple of years. Granted he was not liked when he first
    came to Ibrox but that was only because he was keeping Ally out of
    the team .McCoist gets at least half of his goals from the big man.
    Taylor is so blinkered to his own ideas that he overlooks many players 
    that would walk into any other managers team.
    
    GORDON...
    
    BTW, JN...who got the second goal on Wednesday ?????
    
33.1144news news newsFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandFri Nov 06 1992 15:529
    
    	Any news on who will play against M'City? 
    
    	Is Batty fit??
    
    	Will Chapman ever be dropped? Can we play the ball along the
    ground?
    
    SteveP
33.1145Wilko = MasterXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsFri Nov 06 1992 19:216
re -1

Who cares. Its Wilko's decision - it's his team. He can do whatever he likes with
it. It has brought us success!

                                 James.
33.1146Gubbed Again..!!!KIRKTN::SWRIGHTBoris 'de' NessMon Nov 09 1992 13:365
    Man City 4    Leeds 0 
    
    
    
    Asheeeeesh sheeeeeeesh sheeeeesh sheeeeesh
33.1147PEKING::NAGLEJMon Nov 09 1992 14:3624
    
    
    Wait no longer sports fans as I am back and ready with my 
    views on the Leeds v Wet Wet Wet.
    
    First of all I must admit to being wrong about the result so
    I would say that I am man enough to admit a fault.
    
    BUT, Glasgow Rangers are the luckiest bunch of penny pinchers
    I've ever seen. Leeds should have been at least 5-0 up at half
    time. MOTM for me was Goram who saved Rangers throughout the 
    match. Hately scored a cracking goal but he is English after all
    and what about Machoist's goal ? Anyone could have scored that
    goal and it was obvious to me that Ally was trying to put the ball
    back across the penalty box. A decent striker would have held it up
    and waited for support. Ally needs to play on the continent or in
    the English League to prove himself because until then its big fish 
    in little pond I'm afraid.
    
    Unlucky Leeds but take heart, you weren't beaten by the better team.
    How about arranging a game between Fulchester United and Rangers ?
    Shaking Stevens could show Ally a thing or three.
    
    JN.
33.1148"Sour-puss"VAXVLS::CCASEYLiverpool now and forever..Mon Nov 09 1992 14:451
    
33.1149I suppose Man City are lucky as well.......RTOEU::RDELANEYMon Nov 09 1992 14:471
    
33.1150Where are Strachan and McAllister from?MACNAS::WALSHMon Nov 09 1992 15:561
    
33.1151Bo'nessKURMA::SWRIGHTBoris 'de' NessMon Nov 09 1992 16:321
    
33.1152And Cantona is from Lancashire ?????MIACT::RANKINEMon Nov 09 1992 16:444
    
      Its true....Cunno is back...only he calls himself JN these days.
    
    Paul
33.1153"Take yon"KIRKTN::DMILNESTOP THAT ITS NO NATURALMon Nov 09 1992 17:288
    -2.  
    
    We have good players in Boness,not those two bums who play for the 
    yorkshire puddings.( is it the rocky theme they play before the matches
    or last of the summer wine theme).
    
    
    Neville.....
33.1154PEKING::NAGLEJMon Nov 09 1992 17:579
    
    
    Hang on a minute. I enjoy a laugh and unlike some people
    can ride having the pi$$ taken out of me but PLEASE PLEASE
    PLEASE do not call me CUNNO. My harmless notes regarding
    the Leeds V Marti Pellos match have no resemblance to the
    noting style and flair of Msr Cunniffe.
    
    JN.
33.1155Result Coca-Cola CupESSB::BLONGEurope is Scouse FreeWed Nov 11 1992 12:271
WATFORD  2  Leeds Leeds Leeds  1 
33.1156Ripleys believe it or not.XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsWed Nov 11 1992 12:489
re -1

It's all a bad dream - it has to be. Watford beating us. Does this constitute a
crisis at the club or what! Everyone has copped onto how we play and we've no
way of varying it, it seems. What will Wilko do about it - kick so ass I hope.

Paul C, are you out there. Tell is it ain't true - please.

                            James.
33.1157 IT'S TRUEAYOV14::BGILCHRISTWed Nov 11 1992 16:274
    
    
    
        ***************** YOUR C**P ***********************
33.1158Going down, going down...UNTADH::WILCOCKSONBrrrrrrrWed Nov 11 1992 16:296
    re .last
    
    
    You can't argue with facts like that!
    
    :^)
33.1159Depressed or what !!!!!WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Wed Nov 11 1992 16:3837
    
    
    
       James,
    
    
             I was there again last night and you just got that gut feeling
    that we were not going to win.Every dead ball situation for the
    opposition gives me the creeps nowadays as we seem to concede a goal
    from every one!!!!.  Marking was atrocious again and i don't think you
    can wholly blame Lukic for the goal last night. We now have a week or
    so off before the Arsenal game at home on 21-nov, If we don't get our
    house in order then we are going to get slaughtered with Arsenal in
    their present form.
    
        I seriously believe that Wilko's swapping around at the start of
    the season with the back four has upset the team, goalkeepers get used
    to how centre backs and full backs mark up and what they will do in
    certain situations swapping the team around brings in doubt (especially
    for the goalkeeper). Chris Whyte does not seem to be coping with the
    backpass rule very well and he has lost a lot of his pace. Ray Wallace
    (Rod's brother) is a right back but we still have not seen anything of
    him, Dylan Kerr played at left back last night but tired visibly
    towards the end, Newsome played crap and was subbed at about 70 mins
    and Rocastle came on, he did well playing down the right wing.Cantona
    should again have had a hatrick but his finising was poor and when
    its 0-0 you have to put those chances away.
    
       I really don't know where we are going to go from here, 14th in the
    league out of two cups in a week and hammered by Man City. Anyone want
    to buy a season ticket and a bond (no only joking, real supporters stick
    in there). I think tHat it's time that Wilko got his hand i his pocket,
    he must have made a fair bit for the Europe games.
    
    
    Paul....
     
33.1160Don't know Don't speakWELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Wed Nov 11 1992 16:409
    
    
     Re .1157,1158
          Well they are really constructive football comments, you must
    know a lot about football:-) :-)
    
    
    Paul...
    
33.1161Up the OWLS!!!UNTADH::WILCOCKSONBrrrrrrrWed Nov 11 1992 16:584
    
    re. last
    
    About as much as Howard Wilkinson! Glad we got rid of him...  :^)
33.1162SIOG::SPENCERPeter Spencer @DBO 827-2286Wed Nov 11 1992 19:052
    Do Watford now play off against Rangers to decide the 'British
    Championship'? ;-)
33.1163A new sponsor for LeedsSIOG::BRADLEYFri Nov 13 1992 11:4410
    
       Did you hear that Leeds have got a new sponsor ?
    
    
       Tampax
    
       To help them through that difficult period.
     
       
       
33.1164TOO MANY GAMESAYOV10::BWALLACEFri Nov 13 1992 17:253
    RE .1162
    
    I believe Man.City would be 1st in the pecking order.
33.1165Fanzine helpFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandTue Nov 17 1992 15:1311
    
    WSC lists 4 Leeds Fanzines, 
    
    		Marching Altogether
    		The Hanging Sheep
    		The Square Ball
    		Till The World Stops
    
    	Has anyone seen these ? any recommendations???
    
    SteveP
33.1166REPAIR::JAMANILeeds United Champions 91-92Thu Nov 19 1992 12:1210
33.1167STKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeThu Nov 19 1992 16:0915
33.1168No Swedes in LeedsSTKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeThu Nov 19 1992 18:4515
33.11693-0FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandMon Nov 23 1992 12:0910
    
    
    	Leeds 3  The Arse 0000000000000
    
    	Match report anyone??
    
    	What was the pitch like or what!!!!
    
    SteveP
    
33.1170Amazing - Leeds 3 Arsenal 0 :-).XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Nov 23 1992 13:0951
Leeds 3 - 0 Arsenal ( title pretenders )

Fairclough
Chapman
McAllister

Oh joy unbounded! It has to be the best result of the season, thus far. Leeds ran
Arsenal off the field. It was back to the heady days of the title championship
winning days at Leeds on Saturday. Arsenal came to town cock-a-hoop with six
successive league victories and thought they could end Leeds long unbeaten league
home record. Leeds hadn't won in 7 games. Their worse run since the dark days of 
late 1988. Huh!

It was Leeds completely from the outset with them battering Arsenal somewhat 
solid looking defence mercilessly in the first half. If Wallace was half the 
player he was last year the game would have been over at half-time. He wasn't 
and missed two gilt edged opportunities in the first half. It wasn't going to 
be Leeds day yet again, it seemed. The Leeds defence looked solid enough albeit 
a bit fragile. We did need to worry unduly as Arsenal's much vaunted attack 
couldn't punch a hole in a polo on Saturday ;-). The underground conditions 
were very slippery and it made passing a lottery in a lot of instances.

All the goals were scored in the second half. The first from a left wing corner 
floated over by Strachan ( who looked possessed ) headed on by Whyte and put
away by Fairclough 1-0. Arsenal were a bit peeved as Seaman was about to go off 
with an injury to his right side. I don't think he could have saved it anyhow.
Leeds looked good once they went the goal up. Unlike many other times this 
season! Chapman, then, got into the act with a scorching header from the penalty
spot from a ripper of a right wing cross from Wallace. Reminded me of the one he
got against Villa last year in the 4-1 defeat last November. 2-0. Arsenal were 
buried or were they. 

Not quite! It didn't stop Rocastle from nearly gifting his close pal Wright a 
chance. Rocastle backpassed to Lukic but the ball stuck in the wet conditions
and Wright running onto it should have done better than he did. Leeds luck held
out from once. Wallace was substituted with Shutt coming on. Cantona was injured!
The third Leeds goal summed up Arsenals lacklustre play. Arsenal seems to be 
playing out time thinking 2-0 wasn't such a bad result after all. Bould was 
strolling the ball crossfield with Adams in close attendance. Cheeky Strachan
cleverly came up behind Bould and stole the ball off him from behind and then 
succeeded in side stepping Adams and Bould again before squirting a delightful
ball through the heart of the defence to McAllister making a surging run. He 
easily chipped over the advancing Miller in goals. Leeds are back with a 
vengence. Now all we have to do is learn to win away from the home patch and
anything is possible. 31 league games without defeat.

First time we beat Arsenal in any competition in 13 years. Well worth waiting
for. Arsenal had been lucky to get draws off Leeds in the two league fixtures
last season.

                               James.
33.1171correctionXSTACY::MDUNPHYWomen, You cant live with them.....pass the beer nutsMon Nov 23 1992 13:223
that should be jensen and not bould, and he's a waste of money in my opinion

Mick
33.1172prediction!FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandThu Nov 26 1992 18:287
    
    Leeds will beat chelsea by 3 goals.....
    
    SteveP
    
    p.s. I have sent away for all the Leeds fanzines mentioned in WSC I
    will let you know if any merit special interest..
33.1173Leeds recent record against Chelsea.XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsThu Nov 26 1992 18:3910
re -1

Leeds of recent vintage have had a good record against Chelsea both home and 
away and the way Chelsea are playing we need it. They, as usual, blow very hot 
and very cold. Since Leeds haven't won away from home all season this could be
one of the best opportunities we have of getting an away win :-). Should be a 
good game with loads of goals. Leeds haven't had a 0-0 draw all season and only 
three clean sheets : home to Spurs (5-0), Everton (2-0), and Arsenal (3-0).

                             James.
33.1174PEKING::NAGLEJThu Nov 26 1992 19:4022
    
    
    Leeds do indeed have a good record against Chelsea. The last time
    Chelsea beat Leeds was in the 89/90 season when Chelsea with 99
    points secured the first spot in division 2 earning promotion to
    what is now the premier division.
    
    Even with the away form of Leeds and the fact that Chelsea have
    won the last 6 out of their last seven games still makes it difficult
    for me to predict a Blues win. The best I can give Chelsea is a draw
    and I'll go for 2-2. I am, however, quietly confident that the Blues
    can win if they maintain their current form.
    
    It will be interesting to see what changes, if any, Porterfield makes
    to his squad.
    
    I'll be there in the West stand after a few sherbuts in a local
    drinking establishment. I'm looking forward to Sunday no end.
    
    Heres to a good game.
    
    JN.
33.1175 Ta TaWARNUT::MACDONALDIFri Nov 27 1992 11:1911
    
    
    What do Leeds fans think of the move of their French idle Eric Cantonna
    to Man Utd for about 1.2 million. 
    
    This is due to be signed and agreed today, and with Eric on at least
    the subs bench for Man Utd away at Arsenal
    
    Bye Bye Cantonna
    
    mac
33.1176CantonaFORTY2::FOWLERMFri Nov 27 1992 13:5110
Vogon news claims the fee was 1.6 million.

Personally I think it would be a bargain in normal circumstances, but how will 
Eric fit into Fergie's plans.

I also think they should have got rid of Chapman rather than Cantona. 
Chapman is old, not very fast, and not really all that good. Perhaps Leeds could
have sold him back to Forest.

Mike 
33.1177I'll still be a fan even if he plays for UtdESSB::SONEILLFri Nov 27 1992 13:5619
    The burning question is will Mark give the ball to Eric or anyone. 
    Come to think of it will Eric give the ball to mark either.  He'll be a
    huge hit with the Stretford end anyway.  Players with flair are in
    short supply these days.  Just look at the hype around Gazza who
    happens to be the one English player who can beat a man.
    
    Cantona is a Leed's loss and United's gain.  A fan.  Reminds me of a
    player in local soccer here - former Bohemians player Jackie Jameson - 
    people waited for 89 minutes and put up with his laziness for that one
    minute of sheer entertainment.  A history of illness prematurely ended
    his LOI career and also ruined his chances of moving to Derby or Everton
    years before when struck down by a mysteriuos illness at 17 years of age. 
    
    The game would be all the more richer if every team had a Cantona or
    Gazza type player.  These men are stallions in a field populated by
    workhorses.
    
    
    Shane
33.1178gone..FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandFri Nov 27 1992 15:367
    
    I heard 1.2mil for big Eric.
    
    I also think that Chaps will soon be ready to hang up his boots so who
    will be our big man in the box (oh er.. not Cantona)??
    
    SteveP 
33.1179and I thought last week was the start!!FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandMon Nov 30 1992 12:166
    Chelsea 1 LEEDS 0
    
    	Match report please.
    
    SteveP
    
33.1180DIRE,.....ABSOLUTELY DIRE!DBOT07::RUSSELLMon Nov 30 1992 14:157
    An absolutely CRAP game....SUper Sunday HA!
    
    Won by a crap goal in the last three minutes. 
    
    Nuff said.
    
    *Tiger*
33.1181NOT a crap goalSIOG::SPENCERPeter Spencer @DBO 827-2286Mon Nov 30 1992 14:303
    Tiger you surprise me! I agree it was a crap game but the goal was
    excellent. What a contrast this match provided to the Juve-Milan match
    on earlier on Channel 4.
33.1182PEKING::COSSEYNWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S BACKMon Nov 30 1992 14:376
    
    And the game on ITV, Luton vs Watford a excellent game played in awful
    conditions, the standard of football in division 1 really puts some of
    the premier division teams to shame...
    
    Neil...
33.1183PEKING::NAGLEJMon Nov 30 1992 16:3632
    
    I thought the Chelsea v Leeds match was an extremely TIGHT game
    as opposed to a crap game. Zero goals after 85 minutes does not
    mean its a crap game.
    
    There was plenty of exitement at either end with Hitchcock being
    the busier of the two keepers.
    
    One thing that amazed me was the poor decisions the ref was making
    in favour of Leeds. The linesman running with the Chelsea forwards
    was having a day off as Chelsea were caught off-side 16 times. Granted
    that the Leeds defence were pushing up well but the lino made 6 blatent
    mistakes. 3 out of the remaining 10 were due to Flecky running back
    after chasing Lukic down after he receieved a back pass. Mind you the
    Chelsea defence and midfield should have held on to it.
    
    Both Leeds and Chelsea had some good chances but it was a fiercely
    contested game.
    
    Townsends goal was a blinder but apart from that he made mistakes all
    through the game. Wise should have had the second goal but for some
    reason hit it straight at Lukic in a one on one situation.
    
    I think it can be agreed that this game could have gone either way
    but as the game wore on it looked less likely that Leeds would score
    but Chelsea capitalised on the Lukic "free corner" offer. With this
    back pass rule it does pay to chase the keeper down.
    
    Anyway I only went to the Bridge and watched the game live. Maybe it
    looked different on the TV.
    
    JN.
33.1184Just curious!!!MACNAS::CWALSHMon Nov 30 1992 17:168
    Question...
    
    Can someone tell me how many goals Cantona had scored for Leeds this
    season. I want to compare this with how many he does(n't) score for
    Utd.
    
    Colm
    
33.1185the way it is.XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Nov 30 1992 20:3613
33.1186WARNUT::WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringTue Dec 01 1992 15:463
    Cantona has scored 6 in the league.
    
    
33.118724 todayFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandWed Dec 02 1992 11:595
    
    Happy batty David Birthday????
    p.s. will he get a hair cut?
    
    SteveP
33.1188What about Speed!XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsWed Dec 02 1992 20:396
re -1

How about Speed and his hair. Don't think his mammy is too happy seeing her son
on national TV with hair like a girl.

                              James.
33.11892-0FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandWed Dec 02 1992 21:135
    
    predictions for Leeds at home against forrest-
    
    SteveP
    
33.1190a way forward??FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandMon Dec 07 1992 16:0412
    
    Well was I wrong or was I wrong..........
    
    Leeds 1    Forrest 4
    
    	Match report anyone?
    
    What is the answer to our current problem? who should we buy who shold
    we sell, this is the 4th game this season where we have let 4 past us.
    If we keep on this track we will be in the First Division next season.
    
    SteveP
33.1191Obvious!UNTADH::WILCOCKSONBrrrrrrrMon Dec 07 1992 17:143
    >> What is the answer to our current problem?
    
    Dont support Leeds United!
33.1192It has to be Leeds.FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandMon Dec 07 1992 19:515
    
    and who prey do you suggest I support???????
    
    SteveP
    
33.1193Save PoundZZZzzzzzUNTADH::WILCOCKSONBrrrrrrrTue Dec 08 1992 11:468
    
    
    >>    and who prey do you suggest I support???????
    
    Well, that's a tricky one - but I'd plump for Sheffield Wednesday, or
    Barnsley - both within a stones throw of Leeds, and if you choose
    Barnsley think of the money you'll save in entrance fees over the 
    year!
33.1194yea gods Barnsley!!FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandTue Dec 08 1992 15:189
    
    Sir, Your suggestions are unkind and the notion of supporting any team
    on financial grounds is abhorrent to me. I shall stay with Leeds and
    keep a stiff upper-lip through these testing times.
    
    SteveP
    
    p.s. I'm a bit(ok a lot) of an armchair supporter living so far from
    Leeds. 
33.1195REPAIR::JAMANILeeds United Champions 91-92Tue Dec 08 1992 16:2312
    
    
    
    Batty was not able to start a reserve game on Monday due to a
    re-occurrance of the ankle injury.  It doesn't look like he will be
    back very soon.
    
    Anyone know who we are playing on Saturday?
    
    
    Shafiq.
    
33.1196FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandTue Dec 08 1992 16:475
    
    Sheffield Wednesday at Home.
    
    SteveP
    
33.1197Charlton in the Cup.XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsTue Dec 08 1992 20:3019
Gloom - dispair - rubbish.

There it goes, our last proud remnant of last seasons success - the unbeaten 
home record. Thankfully, it went without any doubt. Our third longest unbeaten 
home run ever!

Looks like it's Charlton in the Cup at home. What are the odds on a cup success 
now?

I don't like being sexist but when I realised early on Saturday afternoon that 
Radio 5 had a woman ( whats her name? ) commenting on the match I got a sinking
feeling. I told everyone in sight that I think it won't be our day. The only 
other time I remember her at a match with Leeds was also at home. That was 
against QPR 2 years ago and after going 2-0 up we lost 3-2. Please God, I hope 
they realise the effect she has on the team when she is commentating.

Ray Wallace, I think, had his debut on Saturday. 

                              James.
33.1198WARNUT::WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringWed Dec 09 1992 11:103
    re .1197
    I've heard some ridiculous exuses in my time, but to blame a women
    radio commentator takes some beating....
33.1199Oh dear oh dearMIACT::MASONWed Dec 09 1992 14:5316
    re-1
    
    Oh dear, you really are falling on tough times when you resort to
    blaming wimmin for Leeds' failure to win a match. You have my
    heartfelt pity
    
    
    
    
    
    
    NOT
    
    Julie
    
    
33.1200What difference does one more make ??MIACT::RANKINEWed Dec 09 1992 20:585
    
    
    I thought Leeds' defence were playing like wimmin recently.....
    
    paul
33.1201A win!!FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandMon Dec 14 1992 12:218
    
    
    	Leeds 3		Sheffield Wednesday 1
    	 Speed 32	Nilsson 37
    	 Chapman 47
    	 Varadi 79
    
    SteveP
33.1202Mini match report and book reviewXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Dec 14 1992 13:2435
I saw the game, or the goals, on the box last night. Nothing to write home 
about.

Speeds first was a mess with their goalie getting in all sorts of bother 
punching onto Speeds head. Speed pressed the ball goalwards and it creeped 
across the line. Sheff. Wed. then equalised with a cruel deflection from a 
shot outside the box. Chapman got another (13th of the season) just after 
half-time from a simple tap in header from a Strachan right wing cross. He 
won't get it easier. Usual effort from six inches. Varadi (who?) got the 
third. I didn't even know we still had Imre on the books. His was a shot 
from outside the box that eluded everyone including, most importantly, the 
goalie. Strachan was like a spring chicken strutting his stuff.

Anyone out there read any of the multitude of books being published in time
for the Christmas market about Leeds. I know of a least three books that fit 
into that category :

I. The road to the Championship?

It seems that this book is a follow on of Strachans book from a while ago. It 
is a chronicle of the league winning season.

II. Chapmans book?

Mini biography of Chappie. 

III. Updated history of Leeds United.

I have only seen the cover of this book but I think it is an updated version 
of the excellent club history published first in 1986. It is a Leeds United 
fans fantasy. It's where I get all my facts and fiction to impress everyone 
in this notesfile :-). If someone gets it I would love if you let me know. 
Any secret fans out buying it for Christmas? Get in touch.

                               James.
33.1203not signedFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandFri Dec 18 1992 11:566
    I see we have failed to sign another defender....
    
    are we looking for anyone else?
    
    SteveP
    
33.1204Who slipped the net this time?XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsFri Dec 18 1992 14:487
Re -1

Steve,

Who did we miss this time.
         
                        James.
33.1205had a tip from another note..FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandFri Dec 18 1992 20:436
    
    The name not in the frame is Patrik Andersson, First he's interested
    then he isn't then he's interested again now he's signed for
    Blackburn..  a bit of a yoyo, but our loss I think..
    
    SteveP
33.1206REPAIR::JAMANILeeds United Champions 91-92Tue Dec 22 1992 14:0611
    
    
    The bookies have quoted the following prices on Leeds:
    
    To Win the Premier League - 40/1
    To get relegated - 5/1
    
    Any comments?
    
    
    Shafiq.
33.1207looking forward to xmasFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandTue Dec 22 1992 15:459
    
    The fact that we have yet to win away and now lose at home makes 5/1
    look like a good bet........
    
    Still we keep going in the hope of greater things. I honestly don't
    think we will get relegated.
    
    SteveP
    
33.1208Where have all the Leeds Supporters GONE!!!PEKING::COSSEYNWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S BACKTue Dec 22 1992 16:038
    
    I'd love it if Leeds were to go down.......They got rid of there best
    player and kept the biggest donkey thats ever hoofed his way into the
    Premier Division, very sensible....Get rid of Arsenal,Man City and
    Sheff utd with them and the quality of the football in the Premier can
    only get better.
    
    Neil.... 
33.1209oh no we don't!FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandTue Dec 22 1992 16:138
    
    Neil,
    
    	That is a most un-sportsman like attitude.
    LEEDS do not employ any Donkey and if it looks that way well it is
    panto season....
    
    SteveP
33.1210Donkey anticsXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsWed Dec 23 1992 11:468
re -2

If who you mean is Chappie then I'd be a donkey anyday. Scoring nearly every 
second game, winning a championship, and married to a beautiful model together
with the fact that he earns quite a few bob more than you do mate and is also
more famous. No contest :-)! 

                            James.
33.1211PEKING::COSSEYNWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S BACKWed Dec 23 1992 14:324
    
    Re:1 
    Thanks for all that information but ole Crappie is still an awful 
    footballer......
33.1212A little update on the down and down fortunes of Leeds UnitedXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Jan 04 1993 16:0439
What a happy Christmas was had by all Leeds Utd. fans all over the world!? It 
started on Boxing ( St. Stephens ) day with a visit to Blackburn.

Blackburn went 1-0 up. Leeds pull back to 1-1 with a free kick after 38 minutes 
by McAllister. Disaster or fate then struck with Shearer eluding the 
increasingly slow Whyte for the lead goal before HT. I watched the second half 
on the box. It was shown by R.T.E. Leeds were unlucky not to get a penalty 
beore Blackburn got a carbon copy of their second goal to seal the game in their 
favour 3-1. No qualms - we weren't in the game after that.

Norwich on the Monday after Christmas at home. Hopes were high for this match as
Norwich are on the way down not having scored in 3 games before coming to Leeds.
They were awarded a penalty after 10 minutes and, phew, missed to let Leeds off 
the hook. Leeds had the better of the game and won the game on points if not on
goals scored. 0-0.

Our record looks alarmingly poor

 P  W  D  L Pts
22  6  7  9  25

What has happened to all those players we boughts over the last few years i.e. 
Hodge and Sellars in particular? Incidently, Whyte was dropped for the Norwich
game. It could be soon the end of the road for him. Leeds chairman Les Silvers
has already received letters *demanding* Wilko's resignation. How short some
peoples memories are. It was only 7 months since we were declared best team in 
the land.

Last Saturday, it was Charlton in the Cup at Elland Rd. Leeds missed a few clear 
cut chances and went 1-0 down after 70 minutes. The reply was thankfully swift, 
for Leeds sake, scoring a minute later with Speed on the end of the cross from
Strachan. In the last minute Dorigo had a miraclous shot cleared off the line
when a certain goal bound shot was clear off the line by a Charlton defender 
lying injured on the goalline. I don't relish going to the valley for the 
replay knowing our away form at the moment.

Who did the winners of this tie draw in the fourth round?

                             James.
33.1213SUBURB::WAITEGSEARCH &amp; DESTROYMon Jan 04 1993 16:254
    Arsenal  V  Leeds or Charlton
    
    
    Gary
33.1214XSTACY::MDUNPHYWomen, You cant live with them.....pass the beer nutsMon Jan 04 1993 19:061
Arent you glad you asked!!
33.1215batty suspendedPEKING::JAMANISWed Jan 06 1993 22:115
    
    
    Batty will miss the next two games due to exceeding 21 points.
    
    Shafiq.
33.1216PEKING::JAMANISThu Jan 07 1993 15:2010
    
    
    Gordon Strachan was sent off yesterday in the New Year Cup held in
    Italy.  This means an automatic suspension some time in the near future
    from Premier games.
    
    Needless to say Leeds lost both their games 2-0.
    
    
    Shafiq.
33.1217Really 4-0ESSB::BLONGEurope is Scouse FreeThu Jan 07 1993 16:057
33.1218Moanchester UniteWELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Thu Jan 07 1993 20:0810
    
    
    RE -.1  I thought the biggest moaners were the Manc fans for not
    winning the  championship in 26 years :-)
    
     See you at Elland Rd on the 8th ...
    
    
    Paul....
    
33.1219PEKING::JAMANISMon Jan 11 1993 16:2113
    
    
    Leeds 2 Southampton 1
    
    Chapman
    Speed
    
    
    We need a few more of these results - preferrably away from home as
    well.
    
    
    Shafiq.
33.1220Charlton away tonight in cupXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsWed Jan 13 1993 20:1419
Tonights game seems to be last post for Leeds this season. If they're beaten
their season is basically over. If they lose tonight, will they win an away 
game at all this season? Can't be many teams, ever, who haven't won an away 
game throughout the whole season? Leeds have done it before, in 1946-47, they
were relegated. Believe it or not.

Strachan declared himself fit yesterday. Should be a full blooded game with a
good section of the fans from Leeds as the game is in the Valley i.e. London.

Optimal result tonight 1-0 to Leeds. It would break two important ducks for 
Leeds this season:

* they can win outside Leeds.
* they can avoid conceding goals away.

Too much to ask? I feel it could be our night. Gary Lineker has tipped us this 
season for the cup. Is that the kiss of death?

                                James.
33.1221We won!!!PEKING::JAMANISThu Jan 14 1993 12:0916
    
    Charlton 1   Leeds 3
    
    		 Speed
    		 Gard (SP??) OG
    		 MCalister
    
    Speed scored his 11 th of the season and Leeds won their first away
    game of the season.
    
    We now have the trivial task of playing Arsenal in the next round.
                                                                 
    The noteable team changes were John Lukic and Chris Fairclough who were
    both dropped.
    
    Shafiq.  
33.1222Mini match reportXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsThu Jan 14 1993 13:4225
Leeds seem to play well within themselves last evening. I was very surprised to
see Lukic and Fairclough dropped but their deputies did well in their absence - 
Day and Wetherall. 

             Day
Sterland Wetherall Whyte Dorigo
Strachan Mcallister Speed Shutt
      Chapman Wallace

I think Wilko was proving that no one is indispensible and proved it on last 
nights overall performance. There is an adequate backup team waiting to gain 
a first team place given the chance by the manager.

Charltons goal was a penalty with 3 minutes to go with Leeds up 2-0. McAllister
seems to have scored a good free kick with practically the last kick of the 
game. Speed put us ahead after 3 minutes with a well taken header. It was 
extended after H-T when a Shutt cross was headed into the Charlton goal by a 
home team defender. It was described on the Radio as a disaster. I suppose the
disaster is in the eye of the beholder:-). Unfortunately, after that, BBC 5 lost 
interest in the game and prefered to turn over to the Liverpool game as there
seems to be more excitement being generated there than at the Charlton game. 
Come on Paul C. where were you when you were needed to keep the tempo of the 
game up ;+).

                                James.
33.122311-11FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandThu Jan 14 1993 16:1512
    
    Speed now has 11 this season that makes him joint top scorer for leeds
    with Chapman....  Who will have the most in the bag by the end of the
    season????
    
    I saw a bit of the match on the box last night and can't help thinking
    that Leeds were a bit sloppy and inaccurate(sp?) passing and not realy
    looking "hungry"
    
    any rumors about transfers or new blood?
    
    SteveP 
33.1224New Stand no Away fans !!WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Thu Jan 14 1993 21:0449
             
    
    
        Sorry to all other Leeds noters for not putting any notes in sooner
    about games, I've been busy keeping my head down trying to keep my job
    !!!
    
        Anyhow i went to the game last night and we finally got our first
    away win (on home soil) since the game against Sheff Utd last season.
        Speedie was unmarked on the edge of the box and came in for a
    powerfull header which the Charlton keeper could only palm into his top
    r/h corner. Leeds needed a second as they looked unsettled with only a
    one goal lead, the got it on 59 mins coutesy of an own goal by Grland
    from a cross by Carl Shutt. The penalty came on 87 mins with Darren
    Pitcher racing through to a ball on the 6 yard line to the l/h of Day's
    post, Pitcher looked to have pushed the ball too far ahead of him day
    didn't grab the ball hard enough and it slipped out out of his hands
    to the byline , Pitcher fell over Day's outstretched arms and the
    linesman (who was not up with play) flagged for a penalty. Pitcher
    scored and Day took the ball out of the net and kicked the ball at the
    offending linesman (Day is old enough to be hid dad!).
    
      Final goal on 89 mins from a free kick from 25 yard taken by
    McAllister (where was the wall??)
    
      Some info ...
    
               Frank Strandli the Norwegian under 21 striker may play
    against Everton this weekend if his work permit comes through. He
    played in the tournament over in Italy but has not played for us over
    here yet.
    
       The upper part of the new east stand will be open later this month,
    and in the program at the Southampton game it was said that it would
    be given over to Middlesbrough and Man Utd fans 4000+ tickets as well
    as other parts of the ground. This has incensed a lot of Leeds fans
    including myself who have paid for a bond and effectively payed for the
    new stand to be built and have to wait for a seat and give way to away
    supporters whoever they be.
    
       The Arsenal game for the fourth round has now been put back to
    25-jan a 7-45 k.o. for Sky sports , i shall be there if i can get a
    ticket with the reduced  Highbury gate ..
    
    
      Is that enough James ????
    
    
    Paul.....
33.1225Cup runCLADA::JMURPHYTue Jan 19 1993 19:567
    
    What's the chances against the Arse in the Cup... If Leeds can beat
    the Arse next Monday , they should be a good bet for Cup..
    
    Time will tell
    
    jm
33.12263-0FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandWed Jan 20 1993 16:016
     Let's hope for a repeate of the league..
    
    3-0 3-0 3-0 3-0..
    
    
    SteveP
33.1227....ARRODS::OHAGANBBeat on the Brat wit a Baseball BatWed Jan 20 1993 17:307
    Or a repeat of the corresponding round and tie two years ago. Was'nt
    it 2-1 to the Gunners at Elland Road? Gawd knows as we played Leeds
    about six times that season. 
    
    barry.
    
    
33.1228We owe it to them in the Arse!XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsFri Jan 22 1993 11:507
I think we are long overdue a win at the Arse. On the other hand, the way we 
are playing away we could get blownout, as an American footie team is if they 
lose by more than 20 points. Leeds are truly abysmal away and I hope that that 
string  of pathetic away results is broken soon for if it isn't it could be 
trapdoors for the team no matter how well they play away.

                            James.
33.1229away away away away away aaa wayyyyyyyyyFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandFri Jan 22 1993 12:157
    
    The speed with which we could drop in to the "rel-zone" is worring and
    if we don't pick up some points away from home that's where we'll be. 
     I am sure all Leeds fans want to progress against the Arse. but you
    can bet some points in the bag are more important..
    
    SteveP 
33.1230XSTACY::MDUNPHYWomen, You cant live with them.....pass the beer nutsFri Jan 22 1993 12:309
Well James...
	Worried about the Arsenal?? For some unknown reason I have this
sneaky feeling that Leeds will do well against us. With wright out, we are
short up front. But sure how knows??? we'll still have the coke cup to fall
back on!!!

Mick

PS: Are you going to see it in our place???
33.1231Is that an invite to party?XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Jan 25 1993 16:108
re -1

Mick, 

Have the tea made and the bickies out for tonights game. Should be a good one.
Leeds could do it tonight. A few scores to be settled tonight.

                             James.
33.1232XSTACY::MDUNPHYWomen, You cant live with them.....pass the beer nutsMon Jan 25 1993 16:587
Of course james...

	There's a cover charge of 2 pounds!! But sure its will worth the
	money considering you get to see Arsenal play!!


Mick
33.1233Who IS Wright !!!!!!!!!WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Mon Jan 25 1993 17:3611
    
    
      James ,
               I wil be going down tonight with a few other Deccies,
       hopefully we can pull of a good win. I will give a match report
    tomorrow if poss !!!! Middlesbrough(Bill) or Forest in the next
    round!!!
    
      Paul......
    
    
33.12342-2 replay at homeFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandTue Jan 26 1993 16:3333
    
    Arse 2   Leeds 2
    parlor   Speed
    merson   Chapman
    
    	Leeds two up at half time now look to a home replay before they can
    progress in to the 5th round, perhaps without Chapman and McAllister
    definitely without Sterland.
    
    	The match was slow to take off with the first twenty minutes mostly
    consisting of toing and froing and not much skill. Speed put leeds one
    up on 24 minutes and the game leapt into another gear Leeds putting the
    Arse under pressure and rewarded when Chapman bundled in a second six
    minutes later. Arse were glad of the half time whistle although it
    could have been a different picture if Campbell had converted some of
    his chances one kept out by the woodwork.
    	The second half seemed to be going the same way with Leeds
    immediatly into attack Strachan failing to get the perfect finnish to a
    great attacking run. The Arse pusshed back and at 51 minutes Parlour
    put in the first Arse goal beating a lacklustre challange from
    Wetherall and pushing it past Lukic. The Arse had the best of it from
    then on Chaps and McAllister were replaced with Rod Wallace and Rocky
    in the two minutes eitherside of the Parlour goal(I'm sure he is really
    Mick Hucknell(sp?) from simple REDs!!!) Wallace failed to convert three
    good chances infact he failed to connect with two of them and an
    excellet save from Seaman kept the best one (a header) out.
    	fifteen minutes from the end a very good shot by Merson on the edge
    of the D flew past Lukic to make put it level.  Leeds just held on and
    now have the home advantage for the replay on the 3rd of Feb.
    
    SteveP
    (it sounded worse on the radio than it looked on the highlights) 
    Lukic and gave Merson
33.1235Maybe the gooners will sign Whitney Houston too...XSTACY::KMCGRATHLong road, patient donkeyTue Jan 26 1993 18:357
>>    in the two minutes eitherside of the Parlour goal(I'm sure he is really
>>    Mick Hucknell(sp?) from simple REDs!!!) 

Well you've got to have some big-name stars in your side, brings in the punters
and all that.

 - Kev
33.1236There must be were little happening in west ham at the moment.XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsWed Jan 27 1993 12:2018
re -1

So Kevin you have invaded the Leeds note. There really must be very 
little happening in West Ham at the moment, or have you just woken up. You 
should have seen Dunphy and McGrath on Monday night celetbrating The Arses 
second goal. Embarrassing to say the least. You would think they were long lost
brothers who hadn't seen each other in 50 years rather than seeing a paltry 
football team scoring a paltry goal against an equally paltry football team. 
I think  Kevin must be an Arse fan  underneath the West ham T-shirt. His true 
colours showed on Monday.

Leeds would have put away the Arse in the second half if we hadn't lost 
McAllister or Chapman. The attack wasn't the same. Big game next Wednesday 
night. Lots of $$$$. In fact, it will be nearly double in $$$ terms because 
the winners playing at home in the fifth round. Leeds will do the biz at home 
the next time, I hope.

                              James.
33.1237Where are you Bill?????WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Thu Jan 28 1993 22:1316
    
    
    
      We have finally signed Frank Strandli from Norway, his work permit
    has come through in time for him play against Middlesbrough on saturday
     instead of Chappie who is suffering from a groin strain. He may not
    get a full game since he has not played (competitively) since the
    Norway break in the season in November but will almost certainly be on
    the bench.  McAllister is the only other doubt..
    
        Bill i'll assume by no communication that your not coming down to
    see 'Boro' get beat !!!!  If you are We will be a pub called the
    Adelphi (opposite Tetleys brewery) @ about 12:30 (near the train
    station.
    
      Paul....
33.1238who?FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandFri Jan 29 1993 12:174
    
    What can you tell me about this Frank Strandli? 
    
    SteveP
33.1239SUBURB::ABSOLOMTPaaaaaaattchFri Jan 29 1993 20:559
    
    OI! Pagey you fat bearded porker from hell. I'm up in Leeds on the 8th
    on a course, and guess where I'm going me ol' sunshine?
    
    Nah nah, nah nah nah!!!
    
    Tony
    
    
33.1240you lucky lucky barstool!FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandMon Feb 01 1993 16:0518
    
    Dear Mr A,
    
    	What A great treat it will be for you if you can get in to see the
    fantastic skill and pure footballmanship of the MIGHTY LEEDS as they
    overcome the dirty foul devils bottom spawn usurpers to the throne.
    	what a mixed bag of emotions you have stumbled on, to come so far
    in hope, the elation of Elland Road, abject despair as the shining
    grail slips further away from your dirty greedy grasping fingers and a
    long sad trail home to Whitley and like Man.U. its nasty whiff.
    
    	I like to think I am a good sport so as a little extra, I hope
    yours and all other Man.U. fans genitals shrivel up and fall in your
    bovril as its the nearest to a cup you will ever get...
    
    love and best wishes to all at home in reading
    
    SteveP
33.1241Revenge is sweet: Leeds 3 Middlesbrough 0XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Feb 01 1993 18:4917
Leeds 3       Middlesbrough 0
Strandli
Batty
Fairclough

Leeds enjoyed a good win over North east neighbours Saturday at Leeds. Strandli,
the Norwegian international and Leeds fan from childhood made the dream start
scoring after 69 minutes from a low left wing cross. The goal was received with
relief. Leeds extended the lead after 78 minutes when Batty scored a rare goal
and the win was wrapped up in the last minute with Fairclough scoring with a
volley from close range. A great warm up for Wednesday night next. 

I see where Leeds opened some of the new Lowfields stands to the paying public 
for the first time Saturday. Over 2000 people were in the new accommodation.
Paul - any thoughts on the new stand?

                             James.
33.1242Anyone got any news about tomorrow nights showdown?XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsTue Feb 02 1993 20:146
I feel there is going to be goals tomorrow night and all of them to Leeds. We
will squash Arsenal and sent them back 10 years, the damage we will do to them
tomorrow night ;-). Strachan, I think, has three or four great games left in him
and wouldn't it be great if one of them was tomorrow night?

                             James.
33.1243OPG::TONYTue Feb 02 1993 20:2711
>I feel there is going to be goals tomorrow night and all of them to Leeds. We
>will squash Arsenal and sent them back 10 years, the damage we will do to them
>tomorrow night ;-). Strachan, I think, has three or four great games left in him
>and wouldn't it be great if one of them was tomorrow night?

                             James.

Yes, of course James after all you are the Champions..!!


tony
33.1244Home rule = winFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandWed Feb 03 1993 12:2010
    
    Ian Wright is back for the Arse tonite and Mr Graham has said he
    expects him to "smash a few in" also he would like Ian to try and kick
    the ball a bit 8-)
    
    Chaps should play back from his dodgy groin, one of the defenders is
    in doubt!! can't remember which one (his fitness is in doubt not that
    he is a defender.. I think '-).
    
    SteveP  
33.1245report bitsFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandThu Feb 04 1993 12:4556
    
    Leeds 2   Arse 3
    Shutt	Smith
    Mcallister	Wright
    		Wright (in extra time)
    
    OH BUGGER!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH BUGGER OH BUGGER.
    
    Well the best we can hope for is staying in the premier division and
    taking a few scalps on the way.
    
    I had to open my big mouth about Wright.
    
    Leeds started well in the first ten minutes putting the Arse under
    pressure before they could get their bearings and Chaps having a good
    go at knocking in a cross from Dorigo after only 90 seconds. Slowly the
    pattern changed Leeds had not got the early goal and their
    pressure/urgency dropped away and the Arse started to adjust and play a
    bit. After an age of injury time the first half ended 0-0 and I am sure
    Mr Graham must have been the better pleased of the managers.  I am not
    sure what mr Graham says at half time but the Arse were first back on
    after half time (as they were in the last game) and very keen. Three
    minutes into the second half and Wright crosses much like Dorigo at the
    start of the first half but this time the target man is smith and he
    makes no mistakes 0-1 boooooooooooo.  The Arse looked the more
    dangerous in an end to end battle and then on 70 minutes the ball was
    bouncing around in the Arse box when Mcallister headed towards the goal
    the ball had no power behind it but clumsy attempst to reach it from
    two defenders left room for Shutt to jink through and just put it past
    Seaman before he can reach it 1-1 yeaaaaaaaaaaaaa. For a few minutes
    Leeds were fired up and pushed on but the game faded back to its
    previous scrapy end to end style. 80 minutes and Donkey fouls Shutt
    30yds from goal and Mcallister converted a magnificent free kick as
    someone on the radio said it was fast even in slow motion. 2-1 yes yes
    yes yes yessssssssssssss..	Three minutes from normal time Wright makes
    a bit of space edge of the box slightly to the left and it goes under
    Lukic 2-2 no no no nnnooooooo. This time the Arse are fired up and
    Leeds hold out for nearly eight minutes till the whistle blows.
    
    Extra time
    First period, Leeds pus and attack and generally have the better of the
    Arse but no goal is forthcoming. Still it looks good as Leeds are the
    stronger of the two teams.
    Second period, the Arse come strong again and Leeds were on the rails
    and that git (not a bad player actually) Wright scores from almost the
    same spot as his equalliser, this time the shot has more power and
    lifts to head height Lukic gets bot hands to it pushes it up and over
    but not far enough and it drops into the net 2-3 nooooooooooooooooooo.
    In the last four minutes I thought my heart would give out was it six
    or seven corners we forced Seaman made two great saves and kept the
    ball out of the net and thats where it ended with all our hopes for any
    honours this season.
    
    I am wiped out.
    
    SteveP  
33.1246Spot the ball.ARRODS::OHAGANBHail Freedonia!Thu Feb 04 1993 13:047
 >   First period, Leeds pus and attack 
    
     Wilko found a new tactic then? How to intimidate the opposition
     with acne?  ^)
    
    
     barry. 
33.1247Summer BreakCLADA::JMURPHYIt's a Funny Auld game....Fri Feb 05 1993 17:4716
    
    I see a report in today's Star by Wilko pleading with his paymasters
    at Leeds not to sack him.....surely that can't be very likely...
    Leeds haven't become a bad team overnight...they just going through
    a hangover of Last Season....If Leeds can get maybe a good defender or
    two , have a good rest over the summer , come next season they 
    should be a lot better than they are now......
    
    Wilko is supposed to be signing Gary Charles from Forest with Chris
    Fairclough going the other way.....Leeds need a good right back ,
    even if Sterland is fit for next season , he is getting on a bit
    and won't be as mobile as he was due to all his energies......
    
    How many weeks rest did Gary McAllister have last summer , very few...
    
    jm
33.1248Some people are so impatientXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsFri Feb 05 1993 18:0314
People are very quick to forget how far Leeds have come in 4 years. It was 
third division football staring us in the face this time 4 years ago and look
how far Wilko have taken us: second division champs and then the ultimate last
year. Wilko deserves a lot more than that and I think, eventually, sanity will 
prevail. 

There is a distinct need for an injection of some decent central defenders
and then we might challange for the honours again. At the moment, too many goals
are going in and this away voodoo is really pissing me off. Its time for a 
little rebuilding and I think Wilko is the man to do it; but on his terms only. 
If there is any bull pulled, he will be on his bike someplace where his 
abilities will be more appreciated.

                              James. 
33.1249Better dead than red!!!!!WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Mon Feb 08 1993 14:5219
    
    
       Poor game on saturday with Leeds defending badly on the hour from a
    corner to give Wimbledon a soft goal. Rocastle started the game but did
    not get the service on the right wing and was consequently taken off.
       Sellars had a good game as did Batts. Me thinks that Wilko was
    getting sStrachan back to full fitness before tonights visit of Man U.
       
       This should be a rather interesting game to say the least. I have
    heard reports that Bruce and Ince are doubts is this true?? If not it
    should be a good midfield battle. Man U have been given 4000 tickets
    for the new (middle section) 17000 stand. I think that Eric is in for a
    little suprise from the  Leeds fans tonight  which should liven up the
    game a little!!!!!!!
    
    COME ON YOU LEEDS.......
    
    
    Paul......
33.1250full match report pleaseFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandTue Feb 09 1993 12:1416
    
    It sounded a good game on r5 last night and encouraging for Leeds the
    0-0 result could have been better, Leeds kept the pressure on M.U. for
    just about the whole 90 minutes. We defended well surviving a couple of
    mistakes, dominated mid-field and never got one in the net no thanks to
    Schmeichel.
    	Oh-er turned to BOOOO-er the crowd realy got to him his game was
    not worth eriting home about appart from two incidents 1. he is booked
    for an elbow on Shutt whilst Leeds prepared to take a free kick. 2. a
    bit of the old style showed seven minutes from the end when he slipped
    past a defender and shot goalwards only to find the knee of Lukic.
    
    	Excellent performances by McAllister,Batty,Dorrigo,Speed and an
    impressive debut for Rob Bowman(who?).
    
    SteveP
33.1251Rob who?XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsTue Feb 09 1993 14:275
Who is Rob Bowman? 
Was Sellars playing either last evening? 
What is happening with Gary Kelly?

                              James.
33.1252Rob BowmanSUBURB::WAITEGTHE END OF SILENCETue Feb 09 1993 14:365
    Rob Bowman is 17 (I think) and has been a pro for Leeds for just 3
    months.  He played well last night.
    
    
    Gary
33.1253TRUCKS::SANTNostalgia *is* what it used to be...Tue Feb 09 1993 16:059
    
    	Leeds (Leeds Leeds) were without several first team players last
    	night (Sterland, Fairclough, Strachan, Wallace..) but I don't
    	expect you'll hear too many Liverpoolesque complaints. MOST teams
    	accept injuries and absences as part of the game....;-)
             
    	Give it another turn....
    
    	Andy.
33.1254InfoWELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Tue Feb 09 1993 19:1220
    
    
        Rob Bowman is from Middlesbrough and has only
    played 4 reserve games before his introduction last sat against
    Wimbledon, and full debut against Man U last night. Another player you
    might see shortly playing for the first team soon is Jamie Forrester
    who scored his fouth hatrick for the reserves this season on saturday
    last. He was bought from Auxerre earlier in the season.  
        James i think that Gary Kelly did go on loan for a while but may
    now be back at the club.  When Wilko took over at the club he said he
    wanted to get a youth policy going somewhere along the lines of Man U
    (which must be a compliment i think) who have had good success in
    recent years with their youth policy since Ferguson took over.
        We may well (i hope) start to benefit from a policy of our own
    soon.
    
    
    Paul...
    
     Paul... 
33.1255whats the storyCLADA::JMURPHYIt's a Funny Auld game....Thu Feb 11 1993 19:1912
    
    Whats this new stand like.....
    
    Stadium must be fairly impressive at this stage...
    
    Whats the new capacity now at Elland Rd......
    
    What will the capacity be if you have to go all seater......
    
    any Irish players on Leeds books now.....
    
    jm
33.1256SUBURB::ABSOLOMTPaaaaaaattchFri Feb 12 1993 16:165
    
    Well it looks good from the outside 8(
    
    Tony
    
33.1257Oldham tomorrowXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsFri Feb 12 1993 17:348
Another three points tomorrow would ease some of the tension around Leeds. 
Oldham are a team we usually beat at home and they robbed us earlier on in 
the season at their patch when we lost a two goal lead with five minutes to go.
Once the pressure eases off I think Wilko will start trying out the newer 
talent a bit more. There seems, from what Paul said a few notes back, to be a 
few exciting players on the way up. 

                               James.
33.12583 pointsFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandMon Feb 15 1993 15:028
    
    Leeds 2  Oldham 0
    Mcallister(pen)
    Chapman
    
    Please can someone put in a match report and the line-up
    
    SteveP
33.1259Halfway up the stairs !!WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Wed Feb 17 1993 17:4545
    
    
     Match report, you want a match report   O.K. then....
    
          We started off veeeeery slowly (what's new this season)..
      Oldham (of which my father is a season ticket holder) defended well,
     and never looked likely to concede a goal until the penalty (what!!).
    
         After McAllister had scored from the penalty spot the game seemed
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
         
    
    
    shn eto lean our way, Chapman has had a lot of barracking from the crowd
    recently due to lack of goals commitment,no ball control (being a
    donkey) and general lack of performance, After he scored his goal on
    saturday he held his hand up to his ear towards the kop to say where's
    the barracking now!!!!   Having said that his goal was a very well
    taken shot (which i didn't think Chapman had in his repertoire.
    
    
      Tottenham on Saturday and this will be a return grudge match due to
    the 5-0 stuffing at home we gave them. Shutt is out with a burst blood
    vessel and will be out for 2 weeks so maybe Rocastle will get a look
    in .
    
    
    
        Paul....
    
33.1260Oh $hi* !!WELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Wed Feb 17 1993 19:1736
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   O.K so I blundered  ......  Paul,.... here is the real report....
    
    
    
     Match report, you want a match report   O.K. then....
    
          We started off veeeeery slowly (what's new this season)..
      Oldham (of which my father is a season ticket holder) defended well,
     and never looked likely to concede a goal until the penalty (what!!).
    
         After McAllister had scored from the penalty spot the game seemed
    to lean our way, Chapman has had a lot of barracking from the crowd
    recently due to lack of  commitment,no ball control (being a
    donkey) and general lack of performance, After he scored his goal on
    saturday he held his hand up to his ear towards the kop to say where's
    the barracking now!!!!   Having said that his goal was a very well
    taken shot (which i didn't think Chapman had in his repertoire.
    
    
      Tottenham on Saturday and this will be a return grudge match due to
    the 5-0 stuffing at home we gave them. Shutt is out with a burst blood
    vessel and will be out for 2 weeks so maybe Rocastle will get a look
    in .
    
    
    
        Paul....
    
33.1261Tony took a diveCLADA::JMURPHYIt's a Funny Auld game....Thu Feb 18 1993 12:2212
    
    
    I was very suprised with Tony Dorigo last night over the penalty
    he won against San Morino....
    
    Tony took a  D I V E  , no question about it , it was a blatant dive..
    
    Justice was done when that pratt Platt missed the resulting penalty..
    
    jm
    
    
33.1262It only matters that you hit the net rather than how you do it - IMHOXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsThu Feb 18 1993 12:2512
re -1

Paul,

I, too, was surprised at the quality of the shot Chapman had on goal Saturday 
but as I always say to defend Chapman -- how many players can get in his 
position to score those simple tapin goals match after match? 

His record is still nearly one every two games. I can't think of many, so called 
better, players with a scoring average superior to Chappies! Can you?

                             James.
33.1263Spurs 4 - 0 Leeds -> We still win on aggregate 5-4 :-).XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Feb 22 1993 19:240
33.1264Going Down Going DownWOTVAX::MACDONALDIStalybridge CelticMon Feb 22 1993 19:328
    
    Come on Caddy,
    
    	Give us your opinion as to why the League Champions are threatening
    the relegation zone, after another mauling this time by Spurs. 
    Tell me and I won't mention anything about silk boxer-shorts!!!!!!
    
    Mac
33.1265Is there anything fair in this world?XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsTue Feb 23 1993 18:205
I was at a table quiz last night. The prize was a trip to the Leeds-Blackburn 
match at Easter. Guess who won it? A team comprising of Gary Spain and Brian 
Long. Is there anything sacred anymore?

                               James.
33.1266I'll be watching Limerick that weekendGALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Tue Feb 23 1993 18:297
    
    Re -1,
    
    It should be pointed out that we took the cash equivalent.  Both of us
    have better taste in football, well one of us anyway.  :-)
    
    Gary.
33.1267At least Leeds are below us!AIMTEC::WICKS_AI dreamt I found a working printer!Tue Feb 23 1993 19:188
    Gary,
    
    What was the cash equivalent? A ticket to Leeds must be worth at least
    25p these days !! 
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
33.1268Chapman for England !!!!!WELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Tue Feb 23 1993 23:0815
    
    
    
    
      Re .1264
       
        Ian we were well beaten on saturday and i have no complaints
    whatsoever other than "GET RID OF THAT DONKEY CHAPMAN!!!!"
    
    
    B.T.W.  Mac What about the leather thong with the zip up the front you
    were wearing sitting in the bar of the hotel watching the England game
    last week :-) :-)
    
      Caddy
33.1269McAllister for LeedsPEKING::JAMANISWed Feb 24 1993 00:325
    McAllister has signed a new three year contract with Leeds.  He
    obviously has confidence in Leeds future!!
    
    
    Shafiq.
33.1270Arsenal 0 - 0 LeedsXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsThu Feb 25 1993 11:5138
Arsenal 0 - 0 Leeds

Leeds fought, literally, a 0-0 draw last night at Arsenal. This is an important 
result but not without the casualties. McAllister, it seems, broke his arm. 
How? It didn't show the incident on the box last night! Leeds had three bookings.
Wallace missed a sitter after practically rounding the keeper with an open goal
beckoning. He is having a woeful season. Too much beer from last season? Wright
had a goal disallowed. Whyte nearly decapitated an Arsenal player. Wetherall
cleared a rapidly goal bound shot from the line. Charman had a chance near the
death.


PLUS
----

1. Leeds first away point in TEN attempted. They had lost their previous NINE 
away league games. 

2. No goals conceded. This is the first time since a 0-0 draw at Liverpool last 
April for Leeds not to concede an away goal.

3. A point further for relegation.

4. One less away game to worry about.

5. One less game from the end of the season.

MINUS
-----

1. McAllister lost for an unspecified time frame.

2. Yet another team combination in the offing.

3. Defence still looks woefully fragile. I can't figure what has happened from 
last yeat to this?

                             James.
33.1271Watch out in May '94FORTY2::ROBERTSONYou don't wanna do it like that !!!!Thu Feb 25 1993 13:3820
That's bad news about McAllister. He seems to be the one player at the moment in
the team who has the passion and ability to get a result.

I too cannot figure out what's going on. The team hasn't changed that much since
last year, except for the odd injury, and oh ah's departure to the Mancs. but one
player does not a team make!

I put it down to the season starting to soon. Last year, the team played it's
heart out every game, but I think it took its toll. Also I believe that the
players hadn't fully recovered, mentally from the euphoria of winning the league,
and that affected their attitude at the beginning of the season. Then, once a few
results went against them, confidence dropped, and it never really returned.

I think this year will be a good lesson for the players, and as long as the basic
structure of the team remains, and the team stays up, which I am sure it will,
they'll be back up with the best next year.

Just mho

Al
33.1272Another home winXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Mar 01 1993 17:299
Leeds 1 - 0 Ipswich

I have no details. A very good win against a team who have been hard to beat. It
makes it 4 clean sheets in 5 games. The corner has been turned? Anyone out
there with a report? Leeds beating Ipswich saved my bacon as my bro is an 
Ipswich supporter and he would have laughed his head off if we lost this one. 
Well done lads.

                               James.
33.1273FORTY2::ROBERTSONYou don't wanna do it like that !!!!Mon Mar 01 1993 17:5811
According to MOTD & CEEFAX this game was pretty much a defensive battle with no
real chances created by either side.

The goal came late in the second half when Shutt(?) was brought down by a badly
timed challenge in the box, Dorigo doing the business from the spot.

Leeds home record is still good on paper if not on the field. Is there a game
this week as Sheffield Utd was scheduled for the weekend but they're still in
the cup?

Al
33.1274Sellars out Kerslake INWELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Tue Mar 09 1993 23:2018
    
    
      Leeds have sold Scott Sellars to Newcastle United for 700k, Sellars
    went into Wilko a couple of weeks ago asking that if any team came in
    for him that he wanted to go, he has had trouble getting into the side
    with Rocastle blocking his way. Wilko has already used most of the 700k
    to buy David Kerslake the right back at Swindon who moved there from
    QPR for 100k.  
          This seems to put to an end the attempt to get Gary Charles from
    Forest who Leeds offered about 750k for last week, but Forest wanted
    Chris Fairclough in return, Fairclough did not want to go so the deal
    got shelved. Transfer deadline is next week and i believe that its
    quite busy at Elland road trying to get more players in.
    
      Strachan misses the game against Man city this saturday as does Chris
    Whyte due to suspensions.
    
      Paul.... 
33.1275Another home winXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Mar 15 1993 16:3515
Leeds     1 - 0     Man City
Rocastle

What a league record - best home record in the league and the worst away.  I 
thought it only happened to other teams. Only Gillingham in the third and Leeds
are still without an away win in the league all season.

Rocastle scored with an excellent volley after 11 minutes in a disappointing
game. Rocastles first league goal of the season. Leeds should have made the
game safe near the end with chances missed by Chapman and Strandli. Lukic 
made four excellent saves in the course of the match.

That the fifth clean sheet in six league games. Doesn't feel like it though!

                              James.
33.1276Who are Leeds playing next?PEKING::JAMANISThu Mar 18 1993 14:538
    
    Does anyone know who Leeds are playing this weekend?
    
    I couldn't see a fixture for them on Saturday.
    
    Thanks,
    Shafiq.
    
33.1277Sunday away to Forest, Live on SkyESSB::BLONGEurope is Scouse FreeThu Mar 18 1993 15:592
    

33.1278Forest 1 - 1 LeedsXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsWed Mar 24 1993 12:0117
Leeds escaped from the Forest without being mauled.  It was a good result 
considering we were mugged in our own back yard by Forest before Christmas.  
Wallace scored his first goal since that delightful effort against Sheff. Utd
to win the league last April.  He used up all his luck when that goal went in.
Looking at the champions video a few weeks ago I gasp at the luck Leeds had to
beat Sheff. Utd that day.  Well Wallace is back at last :-). 

Forest came roaring back 12 minutes later when they converted a penalty for God
knows what?  I heard the last 20 minutes of the game and Forest could have sewn
it up except for poor finishing from Rosario.  You could ask for a better
player when presented with an open goal from five yards.  He is statistically
most likely to miss it according to a popular soccer mag. who last week ran a
survey about the striker with the poorest strike rate in the Premier league.
Guess who came out bottom ... Rosario with a goal every 6.43 games.  Think about 
it, seven goals a season for a top-class striker. Thank God it was Rosario I say.

                                James.
33.1279Leeds 1 - 1 ChelseaXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsThu Mar 25 1993 11:526
A slightly disappointing result considering the ice cream man got himself sent
off early in the game.  Other than that it seems like Wetherall scored just 
before HT and Chelsea replied 8 minutes after HT.  Not quite safe, yet, but 
getting there.

                                James. 
33.1280who and where and when?FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandFri Mar 26 1993 20:334
    
    Can anyone post the fixtures till the end of the season??
    
    SteveP
33.1281Look back to the future ?GIDDAY::PARSONSWhich Space Corps Directive ?Sat Mar 27 1993 11:295
    
    re. -1
    
    See 33.744 plus two games to be re-arranged Sheff Utd away and
    Liverpool away
33.1282fixture pileup !!!!WELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Mon Mar 29 1993 21:3610
    
    
    
       re -.1
               Plus the Sheffield Wednesday game which now has to be
    re-arranged due to the F.A. Cup Semi's this weekend !!!!!  
    
     Paul (getting match withdrawal symptoms)...
    
    
33.1283?YUPPY::FACERSThe Lion RRROOOAAAARRRSSThu Apr 08 1993 17:185
    How are Gary McAllistar and Tony Dorigo doing?
    
    Are they back from injury yet?
    
    Stuart
33.1284PLUNDR::MORANTripple ripple truffle shufflerThu Apr 08 1993 17:236
    
    McAllister, damaged his broken arm (reopened the crack) During the
    match with Sheff. Utd. and is more than likely out for the rest of the 
    season. Dorigo, I don't know about.
    
    Tim
33.1285Bad and good news on the results frontXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsMon Apr 12 1993 15:4228
Last Wednesday:

Sheff Utd. 2 - 1 Leeds Utd.

Leeds were a little unlucky not to escape Sheffield with at least a point.  
Leeds equalised after going 1-0 down with a goal from Standli.  A late deflected 
Deane effort won the day for Sheff Utd.  I suppose we were owed that after the 
corresponding fixture last year.  Sheffield missed a second half penalty too.
Still the proud possessor the worst away record in the entire 7 English and 
Scottish divisions.  

Paul -- you must be a bad influence; run over a litter of black cats on the
way to the Oldham match earlier on this season?  The truth please ;-).

Last Saturday:

Leeds Utd. 5 - 2 Blackburn Rovers

Excellent win by the lads on Saturday.  Strachan scored a hat trick -- two 
penalties and a 15 yard shot.  Wallace and Chapman got into the act also.  Went
4-0 up before letting Blackburn get two back.  Chappie put the game out of reach
with the usual two inch tap in a minute from time.  Sweet.  Virtually assures 
Leeds of premier league action next season. Best home record of any premier
league team.

Leeds 36  12 5 1 39 16 0 5 13 11 35 47

                               James.
33.1286ever the optimistFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandMon Apr 12 1993 17:1911
    
    Any news of when we play Liverpool & Sheffield Wednesday??
    
    What time is the Kick-off against Norwich??
    
    What are our chances? 
    
    My Prediction is our first away win in the league, 1-2. The first Back
    to back wins of the season..
    
    SteveP
33.1287win win winFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandWed Apr 14 1993 21:119
    
    Well it is quiet in here..
    
    Can any one tell me if any team have failed to win away from home for
    an entire season and not been relegated??? not that that will happen to
    us. I fully expect Leeds to win all remaining games and end near the
    top of the division ;-)
    
    SteveP 
33.128820 odd more to go for the record :-(GIDDAY::PARSONSWhich Space Corps Directive ?Thu Apr 15 1993 06:475
    
    They've only managed to fail to win any away game once in a whole
    season - in 1946-47 and they finished bottom of Division 1. That
    season makes this seasons away form look good (W0 D1 L20 !!!),
    despite last nights 2-4 result :-(
33.1289questionFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandThu Apr 15 1993 16:378
    
    I beleive that Leeds will stay in the Premier Division, they may
    however fail to win any Away games...
    
    Has any team in any division failed to win any Away games in a season
    but not been relegated to a lower division???
    
    SteveP
33.1290F.A youth cup finalistsWELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Tue Apr 20 1993 02:3531
33.1291No smoke without fire...MUGGER::BEARDSLEYTue Apr 20 1993 13:336
33.1292what?FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandTue Apr 20 1993 16:435
    
    any chance of seeing edited versions of the last two??
    
    SteveP
    
33.1293Remakr - RemodelWELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Tue Apr 20 1993 18:1518
            
    
      Leeds are through to the F.A. Youth cup for the first time ever.We
    beat Norwich 4-3 on aggregate 1-4 at carrow road last friday and 0-2 to
    Norwich at Elland rd on monday.
        Provisional dates for the final against Man U who overturned a 2-1
    defecit against Millwall last tuesday are :- 5-May 1st leg at Old
    Trafford. 2nd leg 12-May at Elland rd.
    
         Dorigo has had his leg put in plaster to try and clear up his
    ankle ligament problem before the end of the season.
    
       Leeds have bought Mark Beeney for 350.000 wuth 50.000 per appearance
    up to a value of 900.000. This seems to lighten the load of the debtors
    from Brighton's door somewhat. Lukic watch out.... 
    
    
    Paul....
33.1294Leeds up and down as per usualXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Leeds ChampionsTue Apr 27 1993 00:0124
Leeds 0 - 0 Palace 

Palace needed the points and Leeds obliged with a fairly dour 0-0 draw.  Wilko
seems to be parading the youngsters quite a bit now that the season is in 
essence over.  Palace remain a bogey since our return to the premier division.

Liverpool 2 - 0 Leeds

Don't know much about this game other than the hype Martin C. attached to it. 
Typical Leeds away performance - losing, not scoring, playing poorly.  The only 
bright hope is that we still have Wednesday away and we all know what happened
last year together with the fact Wednesday have to play 5 league matches in 10
days.  They will take it easy on us, I hope.

Leeds 2 - 1 Gary Linekers Japanese eight something team

Whyte scored twice before HT with headers to ease Leeds past the team "the boy 
Lineker" is playing with.  Wilko had more youngsters from the Youth team 
especially Couzens and Whelan.  Over 10K at the game. Lineker, the paper 
reported, has lost some pace but is still a threat but the reporter doubts 
whether he will have the same affect on Japanese football that Pele had on 
North American football.

                              James.
33.1295Some MistakeCLADA::JMURPHYIt's a Funny Auld game....Tue Apr 27 1993 17:2611
     
    Amazing isn't it .
    
    Billy Bremner gave Denis Irwin and Terry Phelan free transfers
    on the same day some seven years ago...don't times change....
    What a mistake.....
    
    By the way where in Bremner now?????
    
    jm
    
33.1296Big Billy BremnerFORTY2::FOWLERMTue Apr 27 1993 18:0219
A couple of seasons Billy Bremner was sacked as manager of Doncaster Rovers F.C.
for successfully turning a team that came second in the F.A. Youth Championship
into a bunch of hopeless losers at the bottom of the league and for a net gain of
25p in transfer fees. Not that I'm bitter at all....

Then, last night, the fat get had the gall to turn up in the Heroes Gallery on
Standing Room Only and say he wants to manage a national side. Yeah right.
In your dreams pal.

This was actually the second time Bremner had been in charge at Donny. His 
previous accomplishments included selling Glynn and Ian Snodin (the latter of 
whom was at that point a regular in the England U-21 Squad) to Leeds for no 
money at all (250K for Ian, less for Glynn) and then resigning to become Leeds
manager a short while after. 

Well done Billy. Don't think we Rovers fans bear a grudge or anything...


Mike
33.1297Leeds are at the top again!FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandFri Apr 30 1993 21:0515
    
    I would just like to state for the records that I beleive Leeds (Leeds
    Leeds) are the best side in the world and could beat any team at any
    time, league or international.
    
    The alleged poor performance of Leeds (Leeds Leeds) is obviously a
    darstardly(sp?) plot, if we look behind the scenes I am sure that you
    will find Leeds (Leeds Leeds) have never lost a single game ever
    ever ever....
    
    Yours in reality??
    
    SteveP
    
    p.s. 1-1 at home to QPR (you heard it here first).
33.1298Leeds champions no more!XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Mon May 03 1993 12:5915
re -1

Steve,

Did I smell smoke in your room last night.  I told you not to smoke the gear 
before noting :-).

Look like Leeds are heading for a situation which is unlikely to have happened
before of not winning an away game but still not having one single league double
scored against them.  By getting a point from QPR it prevented the only team
with a chance of doubling over us from doing so.  

Roll on next season ... and a few away victories.  Is that too much to ask?

Oh one last thing Leeds for the youth cup!
33.1299One years holiday - that's all!SUBURB::PRATTJYou're joking - Jason what?Tue May 04 1993 17:5313
    RE: 1297
    
    Stevie,
    
    Keep taking the pills and we can only hope for a miraculous
    recovery.....see your crystal ball still works though!!!
    
    Wasn't the lack of away form that kept us in the Second Division for
    all those years? Hope we don't stay on this slippery slope.
    
    Here's to next Year!
                                    
    Jas.
33.1300So close but yet so farXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Wed May 05 1993 16:5712
Sheff Wed. 1 - 1 Leeds

Aaaaaaaggggghhhhhhhhhh.  Sheff Wed robbed Leeds of their first away victory in a
year with a last gasp equaliser last night.  I suppose it is only a little
justice as we walloped them, last term, 6-1 on their own patch.  Chapman or O.G. 
opened the scoring but Hirst closed the game on a downer for Leeds fans.  

Lets pretend this season never happened.  Maybe it might be like Bobby Ewing's
dream ... I will wake up and think that Leeds are still champs and that
we have won an away game recently.

                                      James.
33.1301Steve (the cat) Page for Goalie.SUBURB::PRATTJYou're joking - Jason what?Thu May 06 1993 16:5819
    
    Is there any truth in the rumour (straight from the Independent) that
    one Gordon Strachan (there's only one), might be leaving to take a
    Player/Manager role at Barnsley.
    
    In my humble opinion he should have gone last year, on a high to
    compare with Steve Page, giving a chance for Hodge and Rocastle to take
    over his mantle.
    
    As for winning away from home.....it's over-rated, I don't think
    there's another team that can claim such an imperfect record!!!
    
    As for Coventry on Saturday, if its not a dire 0-0 afair like last year 
    then I think with should be good enough to keep our record intact. 1-0
    to Coventry and we live to fight another day.
    
    Jas :-o
    
    
33.1302Leeds away recordXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Thu May 06 1993 17:1910
It great that we can smile about not winning a single away game all season.  
The smile could have been on the other side of our face if our home form 
hadn't held together *all* through the season.  

As for Lukic' gift to Hirst on Tuesday I am speechless, only seconds away from
the ice breaker and he drops it.  Thats nearly as bad as dropping Morrow after 
scoring the winning goal (*joke*).  I wouldn't have liked to have been Lukic in 
the dressingroom afterwards.  If looks could kill...

                              James.
33.1303A SAD ACT TO FOLLOW!!!SUBURB::PRATTJYou're joking - Jason what?Fri May 07 1993 16:397
    James,
    
    I'd be surprised if big John didn't have a little wager down at
    ladbrokes!!! Think of the odds he could of got at the start of the
    season, I think I'd drop a few a Hirsts' feet for that money!!!
    
    Jason.
33.1304Any news of the youth cup final vs Man United?XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Fri May 07 1993 17:220
33.1305Fiasco at CoventryXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Mon May 10 1993 13:4825
Coventry 3 - 3 Leeds

What a game from what I heard.  There was a pitch invasion at the end.  You think 
Leeds had won the game?  Rodney put his shooting boots on for the first time this
season and scored a hat trick.   This was the confidence booster he needed all
season.  Whyte was send off after 58 minutes and Leeds go 3-1 down with only a 
minute to go when in steps Rodney to score two goals with the last one being 3 
minutes into injury time.  The sunday express said basically the Leeds thugs are
at it again re:: pitch invasion.  Was there any noters there to see what really 
happened?  The reporter claimed to have witnessed a few injured policemen after 
the match.  How true?

So we bacame the first team not to win an away game but escape relegation from 
the top flight.  18 teams before us have suffered the fate of not winning a 
single away game.  Each of them were relegated.  I can only, off hand, think 
of 6 or the 7 games we got results from away from home this term:

Villa 1-1 (1-0 down)
Oldham 2-2 (2-0 up with 5 minutes to go)
Arsenal 0-0
Forest 1-1 (1-0 up)
Sheff Wed 1-1 ( 1-0 up with a minute to go)
Coventry 3-3 ( 3-1 down with a minute to go)
Southampton?
                            James.
33.1306Long Hot SummerCLADA::JMURPHYIt's a Funny Auld game....Tue May 11 1993 12:599
    
    Only 2 points above relegated Palace , too close for comfort...
    
    All Leeds players need a good rest over the Summer if they can ,
    that's if their not on International duty....
    
    Have a good one
    
    jm
33.1307At least we have the youthsXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Tue May 11 1993 14:278
Man U 0 - 2 Leeds

Leeds youths are on their way to the youth cup after a fantastic victory against
a good United team last night.  The second leg is on Thursday.  The only thing
I would be worried about is sitting back on a 2 goal lead like they did agianst
Norwich in the semi-finals.  Come on the lads.  Very well done.

                        James.
33.1308First ??OPG::TONYTue May 11 1993 16:335
Is it true that this is Leed's first ever FA Youth Cup final..???

Amazing when you think they're supposed to be a big club..!!

Tony
33.1309Not that Big v little Joke AgainPANIC::ANDERSONThe original MagpiesTue May 11 1993 16:4911
    What's being a 'Big Club' got to do with it ?
    
    - Liverpool have never won it
    - Before last year, M. Utd. went 28 years wihout a victory
    - In the last five finals, Charlton, Doncaster, Watford and Millwall
    have made appearences.
    
    It shows where the good youth coaches are; not the 'Big Clubs' that
    then poach the prodigious talent.
    
    Rob
33.1310Leeds first appearanceXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Tue May 11 1993 20:0210
re -2

It is Leeds first appearance in the final.  I think before this season they
hadn't reached the semi-finals before.

re -1

How many of the "smaller" teams have won it from that list?

                           James.
33.1311a win away!!!FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandFri May 14 1993 20:284
    
    leeds win the yoof cup 4-1 on aggregate
    
    SteveP
33.1312OutESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Sat May 15 1993 15:423
33.1313gossipPEKING::JAMANISTue May 25 1993 21:2911
33.1314David O'LearyPEKING::JAMANISWed Jun 02 1993 18:287
               
    Apparently Leeds have offered David O'leary a three year contract.
    
    Can someone tell me WHY???
    
    
    Shafiq.
33.1315XSTACY::MDUNPHYJust another Day!!Wed Jun 02 1993 18:362
	Because he's a great player, simple really!!
33.1316HW needs his head looked atPLUNDR::MORANTripple ripple truffle shufflerWed Jun 02 1993 18:417
    
    He's 35 and Leeds already have two lumbering lummoxes playing at centre
    half. O'Leary should not tarnish a wonderful player career by playing
    on past his sell by date. IMHO, he should retire and look for a coaching 
    or managerial role.
    
    Tim 
33.1317Who up front?FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandMon Jun 14 1993 17:194
    
    Any transfer news??? Duncan Ferguson??? any striker???
    
    SteveP
33.1318Next seasonCLADA::JMURPHYIt's a Funny Auld game....Wed Jun 16 1993 15:0518
    
    According to today's Star Leeds  are about to set up a 4 Million plus
    deal to take Duncan Ferguson and Des Walker to Elland Road......
    Is David O'Leary still joinging Leeds.....
    
    Leeds team for next Season should look like this...
    
    			Lukic
    
    Kerslake	O'Leary		Walker		Dorigo
    
    Stracken	McAllister	Batty		Speed
    
    		Ferguson	Wallace
    
    Then again it could be completely different.....time will tell
    
    jm
33.1319Rumor-millBUSSTP::DSMITHWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S A PRATWed Jun 16 1993 16:1813
    
    
    re last
    
     According to the daily rags up here, Leeds have offered 3 million
    quid for big Drunken Duncan. How much do the reckon they'll have to 
    pay to get Des Walker from Italy? More than 2 million I would reckon.
    
     To increase the rumors, Rangers are meant to be preparing a bid for
    Gary Speed. I don't see it myself, as that would only increase the
    number of foreigners at Ibrox.
    
     Danny.
33.1320the two forgotten midfielders?AIMTEC::WICKS_AU.S.A 2 England 0 - I was there!Wed Jun 16 1993 21:165
    do leeds still have Rocastle and Hodge keeping the bench warm?
    
    regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
33.1321Rocky replaces wee Gordon???FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandWed Jun 16 1993 21:375
    
    Yes Hodge and "Rocky" Rocastle are still on the bench perhaps we will
    see more of them as Strachan plays less.
    
    SteveP
33.1322WELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Mon Jun 21 1993 18:434
    
    
    
    
33.1323PLUNDR::MORANDANGER: Volatile Database at largeMon Jun 21 1993 19:056
    
    re .1322
    
    I agree, there's nothing more to be said on the subject. ;-)
    
    Tim
33.1324Walker???FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandTue Jun 22 1993 16:186
    
    Allegedly Duncan Ferguson was at Leeds Yesterday for talks!!
    
    Any new news on transfers? Has anyone offered anything for Chapman etc.
    
    SteveP 
33.1325David OlearyPEKING::JAMANISTue Jun 22 1993 16:516
    
    David O'Leary (aged 35!!) has joined Leeds on a 3 year contract.
    
    
    Shafiq.
    
33.1326Cheap seats!!!!!WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Tue Jun 22 1993 17:4120
    
    
    
        I believe that we are on the verge of signing Ferguson for just
     over 3 million. Wilko is still looking for another central defender,
     Walker and Ruddock have been enquired about. Mervyn Day has gone to 
      Huddersfield no-one has come in for Whyte,Chapman or Shutt yet.
    
        I have been allocated a seat in the new East stand for next season
      the cost for the season ticket was ....wait for it 40.00 pounds !!!!
    
      The new strip for next season will se Leeds playing in stripes away
    from home, the home strip will be all white with a wide blue band
    across the middle with yellow edges. The shorts are the baggy kind with
    blue and yellow trim. The new kit supplier is Asics and the sponsor on
    the front will be Thistle hotels.
    
    
      Paul......
    
33.132740 quid a season ...?!?!!WOTVAX::MACDONALDIStalybridge CelticTue Jun 22 1993 19:297
    
    Season Ticket 40.00 pounds.. If this is true I'd say that was a
    bargain.
    
    The new wide baggy shorts, are they SILKY shorts Paul?????
    
    Ian
33.1328Are u sure, what' the catch ?OPG::TONYTue Jun 22 1993 19:309
RE.1326 >>I have been allocated a seat in the new East stand for next season
        >>the cost for the season ticket was ....wait for it 40.00 pounds !!!!
    

Paul, 

Is this a typo or just a reflection of what you'll be watching next season..!!

Tony
33.1329Check that ticket nowUNTADH::WILCOCKSONzero will powerTue Jun 22 1993 19:573
    
    
    Are you sure the seats is IN the ground, not the car park?
33.1330only kidding, guys..honest! 8-)TRUCKS::SANTComfortably noneWed Jun 23 1993 12:412
    
    	..might be a more interesting view in the car-park... ;-)
33.1331Where's AdmiralXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Wed Jun 23 1993 12:597
What has happened to Admiral if we are being now sponsored by Thistle Hotels.  
I thought they had a multi-year contract with Leeds?   Seemingly not!

As for $40 for a season ticket.  Is that a joke or has Paul sneaked into the 
kiddies section because of his youthful babylike looks :-).

                             James.
33.1332Ferguson for 3.25 millionWELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Wed Jun 23 1993 14:4829
    
    
    
      O.K. Guys here's the deal......
    
    Unlike some of the bonds which some disreputable clubs were trying to
    force upon their fans, I think that the Leeds bond is very good value
    for money.
    
       Leeds needed the cash for the new east stand so they gave fans the
    option to buy a 500.00 bond up front or through installments over a
    year. The bond entitles you to 100.00 pounds off your season ticket
    every year for the next seven years (i.. 700.00 return for those of you
    with bad maths  Ian...). As my terrace ticket(now a seat) was only
    140.00 last season my season ticket price this coming season is 140.00
    minus the 100.00 discount for buying the bond. This 140 will ONLY
    increase by the rate of inflation each year so i'm looking at paying
    not much more than 40 the year after next if inflation stays down.
    
       On top of all this you do get discount on sportswear,1st refusal on
    any cup games (home or away) and a nice litlle certificate with you
    name on it.   Oh and your name on your new seat if you want it.I think
     you'll agree its better than the deal Arsenal and West Ham were
    selling  YES???
    
    
    Paul....
    
     
33.1333Great scheme....XSTACY::MDUNPHYJust another Day!!Wed Jun 23 1993 15:084
	Fair paly to leeds for being honest and fair with their fans.

	Unlike my Team!!
33.1334That is an excellent scheme, good value. Fair play........KBOMFG::TANNERSomeone somewhere in summertime!!!!!!Wed Jun 23 1993 15:570
33.1335KIRKTN::AMILLARAnd some late news just in...Fri Jun 25 1993 12:312
    
    Lovely old job!!
33.1336ferguson on his way to Elland RoadBAHTAT::SKIDAW::aldertonmFri Jun 25 1993 13:267
33.1337yesFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandFri Jun 25 1993 19:467
    
    I have just heard that Personal terms have been agreed and Duncan
    Ferguson has signed for LEEDS!!!!
    
    Wilko's best signing for ages
    
    Steve
33.1338Deal off?KIRKTN::AMILLARAnd some late news just in...Sun Jun 27 1993 23:537
    
    Reports in the Sunday press say that Ferguson has turned down the
    Leeds offer. Maybe he felt it was too much for somebody of his
    class!!
    
    Archie
    
33.1339Lets call the whole thang off!!!WELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Mon Jun 28 1993 20:1519
    
    
     The current state of play with Leeds signing Ferguson is as follows :-
    
       Ferguson has agreed personal terms with Leeds but is not happy about
    a clause in the contract drawn up by Dundee that states Leeds or any
    other subsequent clubs cannot sell Ferguson on to Rangers.Ferguson
    wants this clause removed.
     
    
      Ferguson believes that the Dundee manager is trying to control his
    career even after he will have left Dundee!!!,(whether to Leeds OR
    Rangers).
    
      There must be some bad blood somewhere...  can any one elaborate???
    
    
    Paul....
                              
33.1340Fixtures for 93-94 please ?KERNEL::NDAYQuazimodo sang,'It started with a syst'Tue Jun 29 1993 20:468
    Can someone post the fixtures for the coming season please.
    
    I might add that its for a friend of mine (I already have the fixtures
    for the champions !!)
    
    Glory Glory !!
    
    nige.
33.1341PLUNDR::MORANDANGER: Volatile Database at largeTue Jun 29 1993 21:065
    
    They're on rec.sport.soccer, if you can't get access, I'll pull them in
    here tomorrow.
    
    Tim 
33.1342Unsure how to access !KERNEL::NDAYQuazimodo sang,'It started with a syst'Tue Jun 29 1993 21:179
Tim,

I don't know how to access that..

A posting here would be much appreciated..

Thanks again.

Nige.
33.1343KERNEL::WITHALLGMiddle Path towards enlightenmentTue Jun 29 1993 23:587
    
    Tim,
    
    post them here this minute ya here. And while your at it, please post
    Wokings fixtures for the new season.  Much obliged.
    
    Gazzer
33.1344BUSSTP::DREESWed Jun 30 1993 00:3864
from the net.....
     
August
14 Man City     (A)
17 West Ham     (H)
21 Norwich      (H)
24 Arsenal      (A)
28 Liverpool    (A)
30 Oldham       (H)
    
September
11 Southampton  (A)
18 Sheff Utd    (H)
25 Coventry     (A)
    
October
 2 Wimbledon    (H)
17 Ipswich      (A)
23 Blackburn    (H)
30 Sheff Wed    (A)
    
November
 6 Chelsea      (H)
20 Tottenham    (A)
23 Everton      (A)
27 Swindon      (H)
    
December
 4 Man City     (H)
 8 West Ham     (A)
11 Norwich      (A)
18 Arsenal      (H)
27 Newcastle    (A)
28 QPR          (H)
    
January
 1 Man Utd      (A)
 3 Aston Villa  (H)
15 Ipswich      (H)
22 Blackburn    (A)
    
Febuary
12 Sheff Wed    (H)
19 Liverpool    (H)
26 Oldham       (A)
    
March
 5 Southampton  (H)
12 Sheff Utd    (A)
19 Coventry     (H)
26 Wimbledon    (A)
30 Aston Villa  (A)
    
April
 2 Newcastle    (H)
 4 QPR          (A)
 9 Man Utd      (H)
16 Tottenham    (H)
23 Chelsea      (A)
30 Everton      (H)
    
May
 7 Swindon      (A)
 
33.1345DUNDEE UTD VS FERGUSON VS RANGERS VS LEEDSKIRKTN::CPHILLIPSWed Jun 30 1993 12:1564
    Re Ferguson bad blood:
    
    He's desperate to join Rangers. Rangers are equally keen to sign him.
    They have bid 3.6 million up front plus 100,000 for every 100 appearances
    he makes at Ibrox. The Dundee Utd manager and chairman (Jim McLean) has 
    been rumoured to say that he would rather see Ferguson out of football all 
    together than go to Rangers. He is now insisting that any buyer must have
    a clause in Ferguson's contract which disallows them from selling him to 
    Rangers.
    
    Mclean claims that the only reason for this is because he sees Rangers
    as one of his main rivals. Most people reckon McLean detests
    Rangers because of one of (or all of) the following reasons:-
    
    - Rangers bid 2.5 million for Ferguson a few months ago, just before
    the signing deadline for the European Cup. Mclean categorically denied
    that Rangers had put in any bid. David Murray (Rangers chairman) went
    on national radio/TV and announced that Rangers had indeed put in a
    bid. Rangers players and management gave interviews saying how much
    they would like Ferguson in the team. Mclean was WELL pissed off - he 
    reckoned that 1) the bid should never have been announced and 2)
    Rangers were trying to deliberately unsettle Ferguson. Mclean admitted 
    he lied over the bid, rejected the bid and the SFA fined Rangers for 
    trying to unsettle Ferguson. 

    - Richard Gough. Gough was Dundee Utd's best player by a mile. Similar
    story to Ferguson. Rangers wanted him, he wanted to go. Utd refused. In 
    the end they accepted a bid from Spurs that was around 500,000 lower than 
    Rangers. Rangers promptly bought Gough from Spurs after a season or 
    so down there. McLean was WELL pissed. This is why he's trying to get a 
    buyer for Ferguson who will refuse to sell him back to Rangers.

    - Walter Smith. Walter is the Rangers manager, but used to be Dundee Utd
    assistant manager. Walter was the first signing Souness made when he
    came to Ibrox. McLean has been speaking about retiring for the last 10
    years. Smith was obviously being groomed for the job until Rangers stepped
    in. Since then several of Dundee Utd's background staff have joined
    Rangers. McLean's still looking for someone to take over from him.

    - Money. Rangers have lots, Utd have none. McLean often describes his job
    as running a corner shop and competing with a superstore. Maybe so, but
    don't blame Rangers for being successful. It's up to teams like Utd to 
    generate their own money, try to keep their best players and compete with
    Rangers.

    - "What might have been". When Rangers were at their lowest in the early
    eighties (and believe me that was LOW!!), McLean turned down the managers
    job. Could he be regreting that decision now ??

    	So there we have it. In my opinion McLean is definitely anti-Rangers,
    but then so are most non-Rangers fans in Scotland. A bit like Man Utd in
    England, you either love them because they are big,rich and successful or 
    hate them for the same reasons.

    Will Ferguson join Rangers ?? Sure, but either via another club or if
    Mclean finally retires. I make Leeds slight favourites to sign him at the 
    moment.

    Is he worth the money ?? I'd say so, especially to Rangers since 1) he's
    Scottish, and 2) he's the ideal man to replace for Hately when he finally
    chucks it (although I think the big guys still got another couple of
    seasons in him).

    Colin.
33.1346PLUNDR::MORANDANGER: Volatile Database at largeWed Jun 30 1993 13:306
    
    re .1344
    
    Hey, steal my thunder why don't you ;-) (I'd already got them an' all).
    
    Tim
33.1347He certainly looks like a hun!!PAKORA::MCAMERONMartinFri Jul 02 1993 00:5424
     Re .1345,
              Just a few obsevations............   
    
              According to Howard Wilkinson in the paper today. There is no
    and never has been any clause in Ferguson's contract disallowing them
    from selling him to rangers at a later date..
    
     David Murray phoned Jim McLean and offered 2.5 mill for Ferguson. He
    did not officially table a bid..
     This is why McLean denied that rangers had made an official bid. He
    did not think it was appropriate for a major club to approach him
    in such a furtive underhand manner..                                                      
                                                 
     Is it not common sense to assume that Jim McLean does not want to
    sell his best player to his biggest rivals?? 
     Rather than assume that it is because 'no one likes us' (yawn yawn!).
      
                                        
     Martin SQFCSC.....
                                                
                                                                           
             
                                      
                                      
33.1348Go Back to bed you ugly Tims ..... 8-)PAKORA::TDOLANFri Jul 02 1993 02:3713
33.1349Gary Speed StaysPEKING::JAMANISSun Jul 04 1993 16:135
    
    Gary Speed has signed a new contract with Leeds.  This effectively ends
    all the rumours of his impending departure!
    
    S
33.1350No Fergie :-(JGODCL::SHERLOCKL.U.F.C. The phoenix has risenMon Jul 05 1993 19:234
    According to CEEFAX the Ferguson deal is definitely off,
    HW got fed up waiting for him to make up his mind...
    
    Tim
33.1351Fergie not worth the hassleWELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Mon Jul 05 1993 21:1811
    
    
    Hi Tim, 
             Nice to se you are still around. howard wilkinson is now
    concentrating on getting Brian Deane from Sheff Utd who put  a 
    transfer request in last thursday. Dundee are still maintaining that 
    Ferguson WILL NOT go to Rangers and still maintain that clause in the
    contract oif the team that eventually buys him.
    
    
     Paul... 
33.1352PEKING::COSSEYNTue Jul 06 1993 21:535
    
    According to the radio Brian Deane has signed for around 2 1/2 to 3
    million.
    
    Neil.
33.1353Deane = $3,000,000XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Tue Jul 06 1993 22:160
33.1354New stripJGODCL::SHERLOCKLeeds UnitedWed Jul 07 1993 12:0418
    
    Paid a visit to the Leeds boutique the other week and saw the new
    home and away strip on show, ASICS have taken over from Admiral
    as kit sponsor, a certain hotel chain have replaced Admiral as
    shirt sponsor.
    
    Wasn't particularly impressed with the new home strip, although
    it is quite similar to last years, the shirt has a yellow and blue
    horizontal hoop at about "belly-button" height..
    
    The away strip is something else, I think it's fantastic. 2 inch
    blue and yellow vertical stripes, blue shorts, and blue socks, 
    the same shade of blue that they used for the disastrous European
    cup strip.
    
    Tim
    
    Tim
33.1355Deane v FergusonCLADA::JMURPHYIt's a Funny Auld game....Wed Jul 07 1993 12:5010
    
    How good a buy will Brian Deane be ?????.
    
    will he score as many goals as Lee Chapman ....
    
    Which is the better buy , Deane or Ferguson ?????
    
    jm
    
    
33.1356Can't go wrong with an ex-Rover 8-)FORTY2::FOWLERMFinishing's not his strong pointWed Jul 07 1993 16:048
33.1357It's happened again!!!WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Thu Jul 08 1993 01:4123
    
    
       Sheffield will be getting s.f.a. from Leeds as Leeds have pulled out
    of the deal. The two chairman had agreed a price of 3 mil but the board
    at sheffield vetoed that price and said that they wanted more as yet
    undisclosed but rumoured to be 3.5 mil. another club came in for Deane
    during the day but their offer was refused as well. Leslie Silver and
    Les Brierly(?) had made an agreement verbally  but Les Brierly's board
    threw that price out. Leslie Silver said that's his final offer and
    Leeds are NOT going to get into an auction for Deane.
    
    
     C'est la Vie Two down who's next !!!!!!
    
    Paul
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
33.1358WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Thu Jul 08 1993 14:2210
    
    
       Re -.1
    
      Sorry Sheffield Chairman should read Reg Brealey
    
    
      Paul..
    
    
33.1359Pre season tour of IrelandCLADA::JMURPHYIt's a Funny Auld game....Thu Jul 08 1993 19:506
    
    What the itinery for Leeds pre season tour of Ireland ..
    
    Are they coming to Galway to play Galway United and if so when
    
    jm
33.1360Leeds in IrelandGALVIA::SPAINGoing to the USAThu Jul 08 1993 21:565
    
    The Galway game is off.  Leeds play in Dublin and Cork.  I think the
    Cork game is on July 21st.
    
    Gary.
33.1361Deane goes up the motorwayMIACT::MASONThere's only one UNITEDWed Jul 14 1993 17:2015
    Paul...
    
    What are you doing in 32 when there is news to be reported in
    here??!!??
    
    Brian Deane signed for Leeeedsss yesterday for a reputed 2.75 mill. It is
    reported that Dave Bassett will resign/get kicked out over it as fans
    are furious and he wanted to hold out for 3.5mill but couldn't get
    Howard over the barrel.
    
    Howard Wilkinson stated that he always wanted Deane and only went after
    Ferguson because he thought Deane was unavailable. He is reported to be
    ecstatic that he has "got his man".
    
    J
33.1362Leeds In IrelandXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Fri Jul 23 1993 12:515
Leeds played Cork City in Cork on Wednesday evening with their two new signings
on view: Brian Deane and David O'Leary.  The game itself was watched by over 
6,000 fans.  Leeds won the game comfortably 3-0 (2-0 HT) with goals from 
Rocastle, Speed, and A.N. Other.  I think they play Shels in Dublin sometime 
this weekend.
33.1363WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Fri Jul 23 1993 18:2311
    
    
      Actually James the A.N. other was Carl Shutt !!!  have you seen the
    new away strip yet...... smart.    I may try and get to see them
    play Grimsby in a pre-season friendly , what trining for the new 
    season eh!!! we don't waste money going to South AaaaFriker ....
    
    
    Paul.....
             
    
33.1364Satan's holiday resort.FORTY2::FOWLERMFinishing's not his strong pointFri Jul 23 1993 18:5113
Re: -1

>>>
we don't waste money going to South AaaaFriker ....
>>>

....You go to somewhere much worse!

I speak from experience. (21 years it took me to escape)

Have the Leeds players done something to upset the management?

Mike
33.1365LOI selection vs. Leeds resultXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Mon Jul 26 1993 12:5716
The usual story with Leeds during their second engagement versus a league of
Ireland selection in Dublin Friday evening last.  I couldn't make the game as I 
was partly moving house and had a case of the "are Leeds United more important 
that me, your girlfriend/wife" syndrome :-).

The game ended 2-2.  Leeds were 1-0 down and 2-1 up.  The Leeds lineup was 
different from Wednesday with a few of the younger players getting a game 
including a guy called Tobin whom I hadn't heard of before.  Youth cup player?
The same frailties were to the fore with egg shell thin centre backs,  
goalkeeper misjudgement (second goal) and lack of attacking options (no Deane).  
Mix that in with the apparent ill-at-ease of playing "away from home" resulted 
in the LOI selection gaining a creditable draw against Leeds.  Nuff said.  It 
was like reading about last seasons performance away from home all over again 
:-(.  I earnestly hope it isn't a bad omen for the new season.

                               James.
33.1366PEKING::JAMANISWed Jul 28 1993 16:319
    
    Dylan Kerr has joined Reading for 75K.
    
    I understand that Portsmouth are interested in Chapman as well.
    
    Any news on whether Whyte has been sold?
    
    
    Shafiq.
33.1367oddsFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandFri Jul 30 1993 20:235
    
    Can anyone tell me what the bookies are giving for Leeds to win the
    league etc.
    
    SteveP
33.1368Latest Friendly resultPEKING::JAMANISMon Aug 02 1993 17:1911
    
    
    Hibs 0 Leeds 2
    
    	   Whelan
    	   Deane
    
    
    Shafiq.
    
    
33.1369FORTY2::ROBERTSONLiving with Flamingos on the DELTAMon Aug 02 1993 17:3213
It can't be!!!

NAAAHHH!!!

An away win!!!


What's one of those ????


;-)

Al ( In shock )
33.1370I....KIRKTN::CPATRICKSome Will,Some Won't,I WouldTue Aug 03 1993 02:2314
    re-2........
    
    some freindly I must say !!!!
    
    44 arrests as Hibs fans chased the leeds fans all around Edinburgh's
    city centre........
    
    I bet the tourists will remember to come back next year.......NOT
    
     SQF Jambo
    
     P.S.
    
     out of the 44 arrests,42 of them came from the Edinburgh area 
33.1371Its true....honest..!!PAKORA::SWRIGHTTue Aug 03 1993 02:367
    And the other 2 were on a day trip from Bo'ness.....!!!!
    
    
    
    
    
    
33.13721st of many?FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandTue Aug 03 1993 17:046
    
    Away Away Away... Leeds win Away 
    
    Mind you it's not the league....
    
    SteveP
33.1373EASY WINPAKORA::JCRONINHMFCTue Aug 03 1993 17:134
    You will never get an easier away win,as Hibs are the worst teams in
    the United Kingdom.  
    
    FERRY JAMBO.
33.1374am I awake?FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandTue Aug 03 1993 17:525
    
    I have been told that Hibs are a great team, strong, valient, enduring,
    quick and deadly. It is a credit to LEEDS to beat such a team..
    
    SteveP
33.1375AM I DREAMING?KIRKTN::JCRONINHMFCTue Aug 03 1993 18:014
    Even the HIBS FANS ? who were at the game,said their team played a lot
    of rubbish.
    
    FERRY JAMBO.
33.1376don't squirmWELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Wed Aug 04 1993 18:2111
    
    Well they would say that wouldn't they!!!!!!!. considering that they got
    beat.
      What true fan wouln't say it was the ball ref !!!!
    
    
    
    
    
    Paul...
    
33.1377PEKING::TPORT_QUOTESMon Aug 09 1993 13:1816
33.1378PEKING::JAMANISWed Aug 11 1993 14:467
33.1379Whyte now goneCLADA::JMURPHYIt's a Funny Auld game....Wed Aug 11 1993 20:418
    
    Chris Whyte has according to todays STAR  joined Birmingham City
    for 475,000 . It says Whyte is only 31 , I thought he was more .
    Still he did the business in the Championship year....
    What will Leeds look like on Sat against Man City.....
    
    jm
    
33.1380XSTACY::MDUNPHYJust another Day!!Wed Aug 11 1993 21:002
	Rubbish !!!! 8^)
33.1381KIRKTN::CGALLAGHERWed Aug 11 1993 22:114
    
    
    	It'll probably have lots of buldings and roads 'n that....:-)
    
33.1382ECCGY4::HAIGHSwipe me wiv a jellied eelThu Aug 12 1993 13:387
    
    	Re last, 
    "It'll probably have lots of buldings and roads 'n that....:-)" 
    
    	Obviously you've never been to Leeds.    :]
    
    	Are Leeds going for a hatrick of 4-0 drubbings at Maine Road?
33.1383don't want no humble pieFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandFri Aug 13 1993 22:046
    
    It's six o'clock friday evening I'm away home and looking forward to
    Monday when I can post the match results for Leeds start to the season
    and First Away Win for ages.
    
    SteveP
33.1384away games without win now = 22GIDDAY::PARSONSWhich Space Corps Directive ?Mon Aug 16 1993 08:355
    
    Man City 1  Leeds Utd  1
    
    well it wasn't a win, but look on the bright side ... it wasn't
    0-4 !  no more details but I'll see the game tonight on TV.
33.1385Leeds Team on SaturdayPEKING::TPORT_QUOTESMon Aug 16 1993 14:5125
    
    The Leeds Team on Saturday was:
    
    				Lukic
    
    Kelley	Fairclough		O'Leary		Dorigo
    
    Strachan	Mcalister		Batty		Speed
    
    		Dean			Whelen
    
    
    
    
    
    Rocastle was not even on the subs bench!
    
    Whelen is an England U18 player who impressed several people on
    Saturday.
    
    Kelley is an Irish U21 player.
    
    
    Shafiq.
    
33.13863 pointsFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandTue Aug 17 1993 16:289
    
    West Ham this evening at home.
    
    Should be a good win.  and perhaps a clean sheet, I predict that we
    will win 2-0 1st goal from Speed about 30mins and Deane will get the
    second arrounf 70mins.  A good solid Midfield and plenty of chances at
    goal.  
    
    SteveP
33.13871-0 = 3ptsFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandWed Aug 18 1993 13:0525
    
    Leeds 1  West Ham 0
    Speed(61)
    
    Good and bad from last night,
    
    Good- Leeds dominated the game for all but the last 4 minutes oh how
    those last minutes are hell when your defending a 1-0 lead, The new
    boys Kelly and Whelan put in good performances and no one really let
    the team down. West ham hardly got a sniff and their first corner
    didn't come till after 80 minutes.
    
    Bad- We should put a lot more in the net, West Ham were played off the
    field and we only have one goal.
    
    We should do well this season being as strong as any team (if not
    stronger) in mid-field, Defence will be better than last year although
    it's not been tested yet and if the strikers get just a bit sharper we
    could win everything!!
    
    Can anyone tell me what happened to cause David O'Leary to need
    treatment as the radio commentators had no idea. Was Dale Gordon
    involved off the ball???
    
    SteveP
33.1388PIECES::63570::oneillsPlace holder for NOTESThu Aug 19 1993 18:215
 A few years ago WHelan would also have been an Irish U18 player -:)

 (I believe his parents are from Ireland)

Shane
33.13894-0SUBURB::ABSOLOMTeighty four days and countingSun Aug 22 1993 23:288
    
    Come in Mr Page.........
    
    
    Tony
    
    
    
33.1390I'm back but then why bother?XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Mon Aug 23 1993 19:5117
Leeds 0 - 4 Norwich

Inexplicable!  Leeds folded like a nothing on earth Saturday losing their way
completely against a competent Norwich side.  We made Norwich look good.  Leeds
gift wrapped the game to Norwich and Norwich said thanks very much.  Lukic even
extended the hand of friendship to a Norwich forward by throwing him the ball
to start the third goal.  If the game was Ice Hockey, Lukic would have certainly
deserved an assist for his efforts.  I have a feeling that we may have seen the 
last of Lukic and some of the other defenders for a while to come.  Beeney can't
be worse.  Chapman, Whyte come back all is forgiven.

Arsenal tomorrow night - hooray another of our favourite teams.  What a start 
to the season with 6 games in the first 16 days.  When will the powers to be 
realise that you cannot subject a team to so many games over such a short time 
span.  Never, as long at there is money to be made.

                              James.
33.1391PEKING::JAMANISThu Aug 26 1993 16:408
    
    
    Leeds will play Sunderland in the Coca Cola Cup.
    
    The first leg is away.
    
    
    Shafiq.
33.1392back with a bump!FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandMon Aug 30 1993 16:3118
    
    Oh Hell.
    
    	I go off on a little holiday and come back to get three bad results
    thrown against me 0-4 at home! to Norwich!!, 2-1 away to the Arse and
    2-0 away to Liverpool.....
    
    	Our defence is the worst and looks like staying the worst unless HW
    does somthing. Our midfield will match anyone our attack is ok no real
    world beaters... but in defence we are losing games who can we buy?
    should we look abroad.  HW is getting hate mail and booed at matches
    how long should he get to sort out the rot??  He did wonders for the
    team over the last few years last season excepted. Only 5 games into
    the season and starting to worry..
    
    SteveP
    
    are we playing Oldham this evening and what are our chances??
33.1393ominousSIOG::HOWARDI go to extremesMon Aug 30 1993 21:3313
    Howard Wilkinson commented on Friday that Leeds weren't getting enough
    from their set pieces. He said that they had 22 set pieces in the
    previous two matches and got nothing from them and that this must
    improve etc.etc.
    
    what a load of crap....I think this statement says a lot about the state
    of the English game,(which in my opinion has improved tremendously in
    the last few seasons). Never mind the quality of the players...set
    pieces are the most important thing....With guys like this running top
    clubs I think we can safely say that the long ball is here to stay...
    Thank God for Ferguson, Atkinson, Hoddle, Gerry Francis et al....
    Long may they prosper....
    Ray....(a qpr supporter)
33.1394A storm in a tea cupXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Mon Aug 30 1993 21:4634
Albeit Leeds has had three loses in a row, the next two home games are crucial 
to put the team back in a winning frame of mind.  Oldham and Sheff. Utd aren't 
world beaters and two victories will see us back mid-table.  A lack of goals 
up front should be rectified.  We need to see Deane back on the score sheet 
together with young Whelan.  If Rodney got a goal or two it would also settle 
him down.  Remember the trough he went through for a good part of last year?

I think the Liverpool and Arsenal games were hangovers from the Norwich 
thrashing.  However, it shows that we *won't* be up there challanging for the 
main honours.  The year we won the league a crushing defeat wouldn't become a
landslide.  What's the difference between this team and the one that won only
1 1/2 years ago?  I don't know but it could have a lot to do with ... morale.

Morale in Leeds must be very, very low.  All those good players playing quite 
badly together doesn't engender much team confidence.  Couple this with the bad 
run of luck being had, thing can only get better.

If Wilko can't pull the next two games out of the bag then he can start to say
his prayers realistically.  Just look at the stats:

7 1 1 5 2 11 4 <- Very unhealthy for Wilko's health

on the other hand:

7 3 1 3 4 9 10 <- Much healthier

We need leadership in the eye of the storm and I don't think we are getting it.
McAllister or Batty or Speed should be stepping in there and making things 
happen.  Strachan is getting on.  Where's Rocastle?  We have a batch of young
players coming up but they have to be introduced in less pressurised situations.

A few thought to ponder while watching tonights match.

                                 James.
33.1395LEEDS 1-0 OLDHAMGAOV10::MURPHYTue Aug 31 1993 12:008
    Words of wisdom there James.Howard must have heard you as Leeds won
    last night with a goal from your ever reliable Strachan.
    
    Regards,
    
    Anthony.
    "
    -
33.1396Leeds on the winning trail againXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Tue Aug 31 1993 13:1836
Leeds      1 - 0 Oldham
Strachan

Leeds courageously took the lead after 15 minutes with an excellently taken 
shot from the old reliable Gordon Strachan.  It was one of the only bright
points of the night punctuated mostly with sloppy, nervous play from a Leeds
team desperate for a win to take away some of the mounting pressure and 
criticism generated from recent team performances.  Leeds seems to have been
under instructions from their manager Wilko to get the ball up the field as 
quickly as possible, contrary to the previous two games where the more cultured
route paid no dividends.  Leeds goal came with a move started from the middle of
the Oldham half with a ball stabbed forward from McAllister (probably the only 
thing either good or bad he did all night) to Speed on the edge of the box.  
Speed saw Strachan running wide and free to his left (right of goal) and he 
scooped/sidefooted the ball into Strachans path.  Strachan took one touch, lined 
the ball up and struck with the trusty right foot.  The goalkeeper got a finger 
to it but couldn't keep out the screamer.  Leeds could have gone 2-0 up before 
H-T except for some sharp goalkeeping from their young keeper when he reflexed
a sidefoot effort from Deane, from a cross by Wallace.  Wallace had a seemingly
good goal disallowed when Strachan was adjudged to be offside though there was
an Oldham defender on the goal line when the shot was taken.  I didn't 
understand why the goal didn't stand.

Leeds started out the second half the way they played the first, but lost their 
way bad during the course with Oldham coming back into the game strongly.  
Oldham took advantage of the nervousness in the Leeds game and even had a goal 
disallowed on a marginal offside decision.  If Leeds had been playing a better 
team they wouldn't have won but such is the game that you can't play the big 
boys everyday (thank God) and Leeds eventually, to the fans relief, and mine too, 
registered their first win in four games and hopefully gained a confidence 
booster both for their defence and for our new Goalkeeper Beeney who was called 
on to make only two saves, important as they were.  Gary Kelly was impressive 
with  his calm approach to the game.  He should turn out to be a very useful 
right/full back.

                               James.
33.13973pts is 3ptsFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandTue Aug 31 1993 13:1932
    
    From the Radio.
    
    Leeds, I can't sy if the Leeds performance was better than the recent
    defeats But the result was.  a Strachan goal on 11 minutes was a great
    start and part of a very exciting (from my point of view) first 20
    minutes we camped out in the Oldham half and made plenty of chances, if
    only we had a higher conversion rate!!
    
    The first half continued to be dominated by Leeds with Strachan
    involved in everything. Oldham never settled Leeds closing dow fast and
    forcing early passes and mistakes. Oldham must have felt quite releived
    to go in at half time only 1 down.  The second half looked like
    continuing the same, Leeds taking it to Oldham and Oldham not being up
    to it. 25 minutes from the end and it started to change, Strachan
    stopped being mentioned in every other breath and Oldham started to
    spend time in the Leeds half. Although the Leeds defence made some
    heart stopping errors of inexperience and clumsiness nothing was
    unrecoverable and Oldham had no more luck than they deserved. So a
    clean sheet for Leeds and three points and thats what matters.. or is
    it?
    
    Was it on Sky? did it look as bad as it sounded? all those stoppages
    for offside...
    
    team news....  Luckic was on the bench and Beany(sp) between the sticks
    but as Oldham never had much of a chance to test him judgement will be
    reserved.. funny of the night the radio commentators said that the
    program carried a huge article heaping praise on Luckic and he never
    played oops..
    
    SteveP
33.1398Football in the clouds 8-)PAKORA::JOWENSTue Aug 31 1993 15:5111
    re-1
    
     Yep it was on sky and apart from an occasional good move from Leeds it
    was worse than it sounded.  The goal was a `wee gem' and the next ten
    or so minutes were reasonable with Deane have a ckeeky back heel effort
    well saved.  After that the ball wasn't on the ground for more than a
    second at a time.
    
     JMO
    
    John.
33.1399Southampton tickets Saturday???XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Tue Sep 07 1993 21:219
   I hope to be in Southampton at the weekend for the occasion of our
   first away win in 25 some attempts:-)  There is only one problem: I
   don't have a ticket and don't really know the process for getting
   one without swearing eternal alliance to Southampton (spit).  So
   what should I do about a ticket - tell my story to Southampton and
   hope they take pity?  Scalp and hope?  Some kind soul have tickets
   to spare?  Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated...

				James.
33.1400Rocastle for StuartCODS::D_DALYFri Sep 10 1993 18:3014
I read in some paper the other day (so it must be true) that Wilkinson and 
Souness were negotiating a swap of Rocastle and Stuart. Both players were 
reported as anxious that such a move should take place.

Why would Leeds want to swap a good player for which they have no use for a crap
palyer for which they have no use. 

If Wilko wants to get rid of Rocastle surely he should sell him and buy a couple 
of reasonable defenders. The current mid-fileders and the up and coming 
mid-fielders are better than anything else in the league. Its at the back that he 
needs to spend. (Obvious I Know....at least to all but HW)

derek. 
33.1401as a striker ?NEWOA::FIDO_TConation is the keyFri Sep 10 1993 20:351
    Maybe he sees Stewart going back up front again.
33.1402Oh what funXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Mon Sep 13 1993 12:4612
Jingle bells, Jingle bells,
Jingle all the way,
Oh what fun it is to see United win away,
Oh, Jingle bells, Jungle bells, Jingle all the way.

On the scene match report including the pitch invasions at the end of the 
game!!  Also, exclusive - Paul Cadd (WELSWS::CADD) is out of the next match 
with an injury incurred in celebrations of Speeds second goal.

More later.

                               James.
33.1403bring on the silverFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandMon Sep 13 1993 17:585
    
    
    What great news, This could be our season afterall!!
    
    SteveP
33.1404Eye witness match report of Southampton V LeedsXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Tue Sep 14 1993 14:14150
   Report on the Premiership game - Leeds United V Southampton 11/9/1993
   ======================================================================
    
      Leeds, before the game, had gone a full season, plus three games
      without registering an away win - a total of 24 games.  They had
      become the first team ever to escape relegation from the top
      division not having  won an away game.  Couple this with the
      fact that Leeds had been champions the season before, the
      decline in away fortunes was even more mysterious and worrying. 
      It isn't as if the chances hadn't been there for Leeds to win
      away last term: Oldham 2-0 up with 5 minutes to go, Sheff. Wed
      1-0 up with seconds remaining.  This season hadn't started any
      better with reversals already suffered at Arsenal and Liverpool. 
      Their only away point bring secured at Manchester City with a
      last gasp equaliser from the new $2.75 million signing Brian
      Deane.  Beating Oldham 1-0 on 30 August had taken a bit of heat
      off Wilkinson but another away defeat could well have lead to
      calls for his resignation.  Success has become expected and four
      defeats in your first seven games is hard to accept if your a
      Leeds fan.  Southampton came into the game with their own
      problems.  Ian Branfoot, the manager, is under pressure from
      some local supporters to resign after an abysmal start to their
      season - five losses in the first six games.  Their only bright
      spot, thus far, being a 5-1 defeat of Swindon.  Another loss
      would be another nail in Branfoots managerial coffin.

      The game was all ticket but I found little problems obtaining a
      ticket, going down Friday lunchtime and obtaining a spare ticket
      from a Southampton supporter.  The Dell is a relatively small
      ground about a mile from the city centre and I had no problems
      walking from there out to the ground.  Come Saturday morning I
      made my way to the ground.  There wasn't much of an atmosphere,
      well what could I expect with the home team doing so badly at
      the moment.  There weren't too many Leeds fans around either. 
      Most of the away fans would make it down in time for the game
      and little else.  Those that drove usually congregate around two
      pubs near the ground.  This is where I had arranged to meet Paul
      Cadd. He was only a few minutes late having been caught in
      traffic on a motorway.  He had a spare ticket for the Leeds end
      which I said I would take if I could get past the "security"
      outside the Leeds end.  I hadn't bothered getting a Premiership
      card for this seasons away games.  The card is too expensive on
      the off-chance I could get in an away game during the season. 
      Last season, I had one which I never got a chance to use :-(.

      The mode of attack was to approach the ground around 2:55 when
      it would be most busy and not look out of the ordinary.  It
      worked, I got through without being asked any questions, not
      even to produce a membership card!  The first thing I noticed on
      getting into the ground was that the Leeds fans were making
      most, no, all of the noise in the ground. Paul commented that in
      previous years Leeds seats would have been occupied long before
      kick-off, unlike this year where there were still gaps at the
      Leeds end before kick-off.  There were, however, quickly filled.

      Leeds started out:

		 	       Beeney

	Dorigo	    Wetherall		Newsome		Kelly

	Batty	    McAllister		Strachan	Speed

		    Wallace		Deane
   
      To the game itself: the first half was poor with little in the
      way of chances to either side.  Much more of the danger being
      generated by the Leeds side desperate for a win.  Southampton
      were poor.  Both linesmen and the referee had poor games with
      bad off-sides decisions being given against to both sides. 
      Strachan had a few shots over the bar together with McAllister
      swaggering around, doing very little.  Both McAllister and Speed
      played some very poor cross field balls during the game.  The
      back line made a few errors but there wasn't anyone on the
      Southampton side able to take advantage.  Deane was playing well
      out of position acting as a left wing, to such an extent that he
      got a few crosses in during the first half.  Wallace was chasing
      around without being very effective.  Leeds brought a good save
      from the Southampton keeper with an indirect free kick before
      half-time.

      By the time I got to the bathroom and over to get something to
      eat there was nothing hot left.  The shop was poorly stocked in
      either case.  It wouldn't have taken much brains to realise that
      Leeds would have a large number of travelling fans and that they
      would like to eat.  Seems that Southampton didn't cop that one. 
      The stand we were in was wooden and when a few of the fans tried
      to light up their cigs. they were immediately pounced upon by
      the attendants to cordially desist.  So a couple of jokers in
      the Leeds crowd started shouting "FAG, FAG, FAG" in a jovial
      manner whenever anyone tried to smoke.  It was a bit perplexing
      the first time I heard the chant though, because of the other
      associations that could be drawn from it!  

      Leeds had about 3 to 4 thousand at the game out of a total of
      11,500. All the noise came from the end we were in throughout
      the game.  It was amazing the noise generated.  I was hoarse by
      half-time as a result.  On the first half performance neither
      side looks like scoring.

      The second half started out the same as the first half with good
      pressure from Leeds.  Strachan has a good game and was man of
      the match in my opinion.  A Leeds frailty of late has been the
      inability of the side to convert the pressure they exert on the
      opposition.  A concrete example of this was the number of
      corners won and goals scored from corner opportunities by Leeds. 
      Leeds beat Southampton 4/5 to 1 in corner count but didn't look
      like scoring from any of them.  Remember all the goals scores
      from set pieces and corners the first season we came back up? 
      Wallace had an appeal for a penalty turned down about 15 minutes
      into the game.  Tim Flowers in the Southampton goal hadn't much
      to do before the first Leeds goal was scored.  The ball went
      down the Leeds left wing and was turned onto Deanes
      outstretching head.  He glanced the ball over Flowers head into
      the right corner of the net.  The Leeds fans went mad. 
      Brilliant.  This put the fans in a good mood and the nervousness
      wore away a little.  Southampton didn't have much in the tank to
      reply and Leeds were comfortable in the lead.

      I knew the last 10 minutes would be nervous both for the fans
      and the supporters, as had happened against Oldham the previous
      week.  This time around no great pressure was exerted by the
      home team.  Strachan had plugged away all day and was rewarded
      in the closing moments when he dispossessed a Southampton player
      on the byline, came across the penalty area and laid on a
      beautiful ball from Speed to slot in the net.  Ecstasy!!  Speed
      had done nothing else right the whole game, his overall game
      looking jaded.  A few games in the reserves could do him some
      good.  The fans were delighted which resulted in a pitch
      invasion from the new stand behind the Southampton goal.  All
      good fun and mannerly, no problems.  I suppose I could have
      joined in except I was on the second tier of the other stand.
      This is where Paul got injured.  He was jumping up and down so
      much he gashed his shin a bit on the seat in front of him.  It
      could mean him missing the next match as a result.  This will be
      a huge blow to the team ;-).

      Magic.  The 17 months of agony washed away at long last.  The
      run of 24 away games without a win didn't quite eclipse the
      Leeds record of 26 incurred during the seasons 1938-39, 1946-47,
      1947-48.  This record was broken, too, at Southampton.  History
      repeats itself in some less than mysterious ways.  On this
      performance Leeds should record a few more away victories e.g.
      Swindon.  As for Southampton, they looked on Saturdays
      performance a poor side with little hope of staying up *if* they
      continue to play the way they did.  This was my fourth Live
      Leeds game, each of them has been Won by Leeds.  Nice record to
      have?

                               James.
33.1405Sheff Utd HomeXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Fri Sep 17 1993 18:3111
Should be a good crowd at Leeds tomorrow for the 'local' derby versus United!
Leeds are on a bit of a high and can improve on it tomorrow with another win
against a team whom we have a good record against.  

If we win tomorrow, it will be the first time, to have win three games in a row,
since we won the league.

Another victory would also be good for morale with a tough looking League (or
whatever it is now) cup tie coming up against Sunderland soon.

                            James.
33.1406winFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandFri Sep 17 1993 20:508
    
    Prediction
    
    Leeds 3  Sheff.U. 1
    Deane     Who cares
    Batty!!
    
    SteveP
33.1407Leeds 2 -1 Sheff UtdXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Mon Sep 20 1993 15:2516
re -1 

Steve, not to far wrong.  

Leeds 2   -  1 Sheff Utd. 
McAllister  
Strachan

Leeds recorded their third league victory in a row in a close and spirited game.
They went two-nil up before Sheff Utd. got one back before H-T.  Sheff Utd. had
their chances in the second but some luck, on Leeds part, kept the goals against
downto one.  McAllister, it seems, scored a screamer and Strachan scored with
his left foot.  The defence still seems a bit shaky.  Sunderland away tomorrow
night in the Coke cup.

                              James.  
33.1408Ohhh AhhhhOPG::TONYMon Sep 20 1993 22:078
In the spirit of goodwill, I don't think we (Man Utd) supporters
have ever thanked our Leeds neighbours for allowing us the opportunity to have
the one and only Ohhh Ahhhh Cantona..!!!

So on behalf of all of us.... THANK YOU..


Tony
33.1409he's french he's Flash..FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandMon Sep 20 1993 22:355
    
    He has some of his best performances away from Home!! I think that's
    what we were missing last year.
    
    SteveP
33.1410Sunderland 2 -1 LeedsXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Wed Sep 22 1993 16:5713
Sunderland 2 - 1 Leeds
?,?              Speed

Bloody hell, is this away jinx back to haunt Leed again.  Sunderland bottom of
the first division against the more cultured and successful Leeds side. 
Sunderland scored first and Leeds equalising with what seems like a copy book
goal on the half hour.  Leeds had the much better of the second without scoring,
although they hit the post twice.  Sunderland got the winner with 7 minutes to
go.  All I can say is that, it was their cup final, not ours.  Could they be
bothered putting in that kind of performance day in, day out in the league
now???  Doubt it!

                            James. 
33.1411Eye witness report of the Sunderland vs Leeds gameXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Thu Sep 23 1993 12:5070
Thanks to Mark Smith from Newcastle for this report straight from USENET:

Article: 26358
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: M.H.Smith@newcastle.ac.uk (Mark Smith)
Subject: sunderland leeds
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1993 09:04:06 GMT
 
Someone asked for a match report. This one was written by me for
our Leeds United mailing list so I admit it is biased !
 
        Sunderland 2  Leeds 1
 
        Well we lost but things aren't too bad. 
Effectively it makes the tie a one match game at Elland Road - if we win 1-0
or better we are through. I'm not sure if the away goals rule applies to the
coca-cola.
 
        What was encouraging was the way we played- the best I've seen them
this term (although I've only seen 4 matches). Our midfield was
excellent (except Hodge -who worked hard but never really got into it) with
(perhaps too much) lovely passing footy. Macca kept playing brilliant balls
to the wings, especially to Wallace and  Kelly (who improves every game, is
bionic and will be a star). The most worrying thing was Deane, he didn't click
at all. He wasn't even getting headers. I hope he just needs a couple of
goals to help his confidence - or maybe we shouldn't use him just as an
ariel target man 'cos when he gets the ball on the deck he looks okay (if a
bit Chapmanesque).
 
        Any way Sunderland came out pumped up and we hardly got a touch
before Goodmans strength made an opening from which he scored in the 6th
minute. It was good skill and strength that got him around the center-half
(Wetherall I think) and his near post shoy crept in via Beeny. Beeny and
Wetherall would have to share the blame, but there was no glaring mistakes.
After the goal, Leeds came back and Wallace hit the inside of the post after
a lovely through ball from Hodge (the only thing I remember him doing).
Then Wallace hit a good cross which Speed side footed the volley at very
slow pace into the net. I don't know if he meant to hit it so slow but who
cares?. The half continued with good end yo end play by both teams.
 
In the second half Leeds got stronger and once they got the ball were
passing it around well. We ahd a couple of chances - Wallace made a good run
but his finishing (always a bit suspect) let him down. And in a goal mouth
scramble Deane hit the post. (All this action was at the furthest end from
where Leeds fans were stood, so I couldn't see much. By the time the
highlights were on t.v I'd had a few beers and wasn't paying much attention!
 
Then with about 7 minutes to go, Goodmans speed  got through the defence
again and Beeny could only parry his low shot for Gray (there was about 5 of
them on the pitch) to tap in. This causes a mini-pitch invasion, and a few
'supporters' were wearing Man. Utd Shirts and were spotted by the lads
 'Scum', Scum'!
 
So, Leeds played better than average and Sunderland (looking at there league
form) played out of there skins. All in all, apart from the score, a good
cup-tie. I think we should beat them  at H.Q, especially if Batts can get
the ball in Midfield, and Deane perks up. A draw would have been a fairer
result.
 
Up here in Durham, the Sunderland fans think its 1973 again (BTW 1973 was
mentioned hundreds of times in the programme). I hope we can wipe off the
smiles in a fortnight- then I can get my own back!
 
Rocky (and Sharp) were on the bench but didn't get a run.
 
 
Cheers, 
        Mark
  
33.1412Leeds United mailing listXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Thu Sep 23 1993 12:5868
This was not my idea, though I wish it was, but Mark Smith in his report 
alluded to a mailing list on Leeds United.  I mailed him asking for 
information and he returned to me the following:

> To join the list send a message to
> 
> LISTSERV@VAX.OX.AC.UK
>
> with the body of the message
> SUBSCRIBE LEEDS-UNITED Your Name
>
> You should then get some stuff saying you have joined and will
> get messages automatically.

Yippee.  So I sent a mail away immediately and got back

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P.S. Anyone having problem joining please contact me and I will try and help get
you on the greatest mailing list there has ever been!
33.1413List of people already on the listXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Thu Sep 23 1993 13:0082
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33.1414Leeds win away again !GIDDAY::PARSONSWhich Space Corps Directive ?Mon Sep 27 1993 07:537
    
    Coventry City  0  Leeds United  2
    
                      Wallace 2
    
    What's happening ? Another away win ! Joint 3rd in the league.
    Highfield is the only place Rod Wallace scores at these days.
33.1415Leeds get better and better.XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Mon Sep 27 1993 14:2411
re -1

I thought you were dead GIDDAY::PARSONS.  Excellent away victory and thououghly
deserved according to the poeple who are on the LEEDS-UNITED mailing list who
were there.  Great that Wallace scored, got him off the mark for the season with
much better things to come.  Strachan and McAllister played stormers with the
back line very tight.  Kelly and Fairclough came in for mentions in dispatches. 
No sign of Rocastle yet, very unusual.  He was described on the radio Saturday
as the Walter Mitty of million pound players.  What an apt title.

                               James.
33.1416back from the deadGIDDAY::PARSONSWhich Space Corps Directive ?Tue Sep 28 1993 06:218
    
    > I thought you were dead GIDDAY::PARSONS
    
    Not quite ;-) My notes in here are in direct proportion to Leeds
    away wins :-)
    
    I'll even get to see Leeds this season, hopefully, on 3rd Jan vs
    Villa at Elland Rd.
33.1417Kerslake Gone!!PEKING::JAMANISTue Sep 28 1993 16:075
33.1418Leeds are first on the ball againXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Tue Sep 28 1993 20:015
Notice how all the other clubs fans are scrambling to set up mailing lists.  I
think LEEDS-UNITED are the first offically recognised football club electronic 
mailing list :-).  All the rest are mere imitations as they say ;-).

                          James.
33.1419CLARID::STUARTTue Sep 28 1993 20:173
What is this mailing list thing that's all the rage?

Gordon.
33.1420The Leeds United list contains...XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Wed Sep 29 1993 13:0016
re -1

Gordon,

I receive, from the Leeds United list, about 20-30 mails a week.  During the
week most of the material is comment from newspaper articles about the team.  
At the weekend there is usually an opportunity for the people from the list,
going to the games, to try and get together for a few beers and a chat.  Then 
on Monday morning there is a discussion of the previous Saturdays game 
together with usually two eye witness reports from people who were there.  
For our non European bretheren there is usually someone near a computer on
Saturday evening around 17:00 GMT to input the match result.  This is 
incredibly useful for someone with no access to the results until Sundays 
papers possibly.

                            James.
33.1421CLARID::STUARTWed Sep 29 1993 14:175
Thanks for the info James. Still, I'm left wondering who writes the 20 to 30 
mails each week, and if it is a deccie (or deccies) why don't they just 
write them in this conference? 

Gordon.
33.1422Read note .1413FORTY2::ROBERTSONLiving with Flamingos on the DELTAWed Sep 29 1993 17:268
> Thanks for the info James. Still, I'm left wondering who writes the 20 to 30 
> mails each week, and if it is a deccie (or deccies) why don't they just 
> write them in this conference? 


First line of note .1413 regarding the mailing list

>>>  Genuine Leeds supporters all, I'm the first DECcie :-) :
33.1423The David Batty agony column is back!XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Thu Sep 30 1993 12:1653
33.1424ESSB::MCUNNIFFEEven Better than the Real ThingThu Sep 30 1993 17:067

  Re -1,
       Very good reading indeed.


       Martin   C U N N O 
33.1425The David Batty is back again - even better than beforeXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Thu Sep 30 1993 17:1039
33.14265 in a rowGIDDAY::PARSONSWhich Space Corps Directive ?Mon Oct 04 1993 00:458
    
    Leeds United   4  Wimbledon   0
    
    McAllister 2
    Speed 2
    
    Another win. 2-0 up after 18 mins.  Last 2 in the last 9 mins.
    In between Vinny managed to miss a penalty.  Very decent of him.
33.1427Majestic or not, LeedsXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Mon Oct 04 1993 12:2832
Leeds   4     -     0   Wimbledon

Speed (2,90)
McAllister (18,81)

Some Sunday rags described our performance as majestic but others had it as 
dour and uninspiring.  How a 4-0 defeat of a team who came into the game 
third could be uninspiring is completely beyond me, sore grapes probably.

Leeds thoroughly trounced the Wombles with two each from Speed and McAllister. 
Vinnie Jones even chipped in, with a missed penalty when the score was 2-0.  
I listened to 6 sports reports on Saturday and not one of them mentioned who 
scored for Leeds.  It was all about MUFC, you would think they had already 
won the league the way the commentators were describing their display 
Saturday.  Such things as "building insurance up for the title", "Masterly 
performance" were par for the course.  One only has to look at who they 
were playing - a team that has only won one of their first 9 games and now
have only 7 points from their first 10 games.  Sheff. Wed. aren't exactly 
world beaters.   On the other hand Leeds handed out a whopping defeat on a 
team who had only lost 1 of their first 9 and whose manager had just won 
manager of the month for September.  We showed him what we though of that, 
didn't we;-).  This is the winningest streak in Howards career with Leeds 
which coincides with his 5th anniversary with the club (correct me if I'm
wrong).  It doesn't feel like five years does it?

Five in a row and we're on our way.  This team is really gelling together, 
only one goal conceded in those five games too:-).  That's five clean sheets 
on 10 games.  It just gets better and better.

                             James. 

                          James.
33.1428I'd say Majestic!!FORTY2::ROBERTSONLiving with Flamingos on the DELTAMon Oct 04 1993 13:3819
Saw the highlights on Match of the day and it certainly looked like the Leeds of
2 years ago. Oozing confidence, and playing for the full 90 minutes (Take note
Everton!!) They could have been 5/6 up at half time. The highlight for me, not
the 2 goals, which were great, but the move which started down the right, with
the right back overlapping, crossing for Speed to head down to Strachan, and his
shot unfortunately going straight at Segers. That would have easily have been
goal of the month. Also in the first minute Deane hit the post.

The second half was pretty much a repeat of the first, in reverse, with a minor
hiccup when the Wombles got a penalty. Segers kept the score down until
McAllister got his second, and then another goal of the month contender, from
Speed.

My MotM was definitely Speed, although the whole team were in superb form.

Up to 3rd. As I thought, last year they were just resting from the hard work
they put in whilst winning the league.

Al
33.1429Report from our former roving reporter JB...XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Wed Oct 06 1993 12:32150
33.1430current odds for CCCXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Wed Oct 06 1993 12:3522
Arsenal         11-2
Man Utd         13-2
Liverpool        8-1
Aston Villa     10-1
Blackburn       12-1
Tottenham       14-1
Newcastle       16-1
Sheff Wed       18-1
Everton         22-1
Leeds           22-1
Chelsea         25-1
Norwich         25-1
QPR             33-1
Wimbledon       33-1
Coventry        33-1
Man City        40-1
Derby           50-1
West Ham        50-1

Leeds only 22-1.  That's not such a bad bet IMHO.

                           James.
33.1431Leed and Sunderland tonightXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Wed Oct 06 1993 16:2712
Seems like Batty broke his wrist in a freak accident with McAllister.  Batty 
was trying to punch away one of McAllisters shots before the Sheff. Utd. game
recently.  That's why McAllister was so coy on the subject when asked how it
happened on Football Focus last Saturday.

Back to more mundane matters, Leeds have to overturn a 2-1 defecit to go 
forward into the next round draw of the CCC.  This assignments shouldn't 
cause too many problems, I hope, and I would think if Leeds scored early 
that they could score often.  7-0 wouldn't be out of the quiestion if 
everything went well.  Though I would settle for 3-0:-).
 
                              James.
33.1432resultBUSSTP::DREESThu Oct 07 1993 00:399
    
    re last....
    
    << 7-0 wouldn't be out of the question >>
    
    
    Leeds  1   Sunderland  2
    
    Del
33.1433a bit of craic....SIOG::A_KELLYThu Oct 07 1993 13:1912
33.14341973 ... 1993 ... 2013 ? :-(GIDDAY::PARSONSWhich Space Corps Directive ?Fri Oct 08 1993 04:289
    
    Oh well, we can concentrate on the league now  ;-)
    
    Why have Leeds got such a good home record in the league (2 defeats
    in the last 51) and such a bad home record in cup games (out at home
    in the FA Cup in 90, 91, 92, 93 and League Cup defeats at home in
    91 and 93) ?
    
    Don't worry Sunderland, we'll get you next time ... in 2013 !
33.1435No excuses - splat - egg all over face...XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Fri Oct 08 1993 12:3317
We were beaten by a better team Wednesday night, as much as it hurts to say. 
There are no excuses, no recriminations, no rationale to the defeat,  
Sunderland were just the more hyped up team.  I hope Leeds didn't go into 
the game with the attitude that they would beats them "no sweat".  I pray 
Strachan wouldn't be out too long after being savagely cut down from behind 
by Ball.  Rocastle got his first run of the season and Whelan scored his 
first goal.  Newsome, from reports, laid on a brilliant back pass, that is 
if you are a Sunderland supporter for the second goal.  I hope he won't make 
a habit of it.  If he does he'll soon be back in the reserves.

As GIDDAY::PARSONS said our recent cup record makes very depressing reading for
some unknown (to me) reason.  Can anyone throw any light on the subject?

I won't say the obvious, OK I will, we can *now* concentrate on the league 
:-).

                            James.
33.1436FORTY2::ROBERTSONCan't think of a decent personal nameFri Oct 08 1993 13:039
>I won't say the obvious, OK I will, we can *now* concentrate on the league 
>:-).

Well at least until January when there's another one of these Mickey Mouse Cups
starting ( For the big boys at least ) :-)

However we should have the league in the bag by then :-) * 1000

Al
33.1437Strachan out!!PEKING::JAMANISFri Oct 08 1993 19:517
    
    Strachan will be out for a month due to damaging his knee ligaments.
    
    This must surely be Rocastle's big chance to get a permanent 1st team
    place.
    
    Shafiq.
33.1438Wilko 7/2 Favourite for England jobXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Thu Oct 14 1993 11:454
Will he or won't he be tempted?  I would be very disappointed if he did go for
that rotten cherry of a job.

                            James.
33.1439PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCThu Oct 14 1993 12:139
    >> Will he or won't he be tempted? I would be very disappointed if he did 
    
    Not a disappointed as us, if he gets the job.
    
    Howard Wilkinson...you must be joking, we may as well keep Taylor.
    
    Dave...
    
      
33.1440Big game Sunday vs IpswichXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Fri Oct 15 1993 13:2712
Ipswich away on Sunday and on the box too.  This should provide a stern test for 
the revitalised Leeds team who are going for their sixth league victory in a row. 
Something I haven't experienced in the 15 years I have supported them.  Come on 
lads make it happen!  Remember last year when Ipswich thoroughly trounced us 4-2 
on their cabbage patch.  It made ugly viewing if I remember correctly.  The team 
is much stronger this term though and I expect a better result.  Any team news?

                               James.

P.S.  For those of you who haven't joined the LUFC mailing list, you don't know 
what you're missing.  At least the people in there know what they are talking 
about :*).
33.1441Ipswich 0 - 0 LeedsXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Tue Oct 26 1993 12:5715
Leeds didn't do the business, though not from lack of trying, although overall
the performance was poor.  I listened to the match on the radio and then the
last 10 minutes on the box.  Leeds has a decent penalty opportunity turned 
down in the first half with non-decisive refereeing after an Ipswich defender
handled.  Wetherall had a good goal disallowed when Deane was forced offside. 
His Ipswich marker ensured he stayed offside as he gave him a gentle push as 
he was making his way back onside just before the ball landed in the net.  
In both instances it was Linighan who was the offender.  Ipswich had a few
chances but were, on the whole, handled adequately by the defence and Beeney.

Dorigo has a chance near the death to do A Koehman(sp ?) but hit the wall.  
With United winning the gap unfortunately widens between us and the first 
placed team.

                               James.
33.1442Leeds 3 - 3 BlackburnXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Tue Oct 26 1993 12:5985
With permission, Tim Kennedy match report :

From:	XSTACY::VBORMC::"tim.kennedy@bj.co.uk" "MAIL-11 Daemon" 25-OCT-1993
To:	LEEDS-UNITED@vax.ox.ac.uk
CC:	
Subj:	Leeds Blackburn (incoherent) Match Report

I got to the Imperial at about half twelve and waited for Mark and
co,  unfortunately I had told him I would be in a leather and,  due
to the leather not being available that day I was wearing a lumber
jacket!  So I skulked round the pub,  had a burger and a pint and 
after embarrasing myself by asking two likely candidates if they
were Mark,  I shot off.

Anyway I had got a ticket for the West Stand in the top corner by
the Kop,  which was a good view,  apart from a large pillar which
was right in front of the south goal.

Leeds were better right from kickoff and we had two early chances, 
Deane hitting a post and someone else being saved on the goal-line.
They were knocking the ball around very nicely and Blackburn looked
poor.  However it began to be clear that despite our good possession
we were short on attacks.  Deane seemed to be nowhere when the telling
crosses came in.  Wallace was threatening and on that day he was
aggressive and I thought played pretty well overall but he was often
fouled by the Blackburn defence.  The referee ignored a blatant handball
and several other offences and I was beginning to think it was not our
day.

We only got one corner in the entire first half.  In the second half when 
we went  at them we forced plenty of corners but could make nothing
of them.  I felt sure the team that won the second division title in 89-90 'd
have scored from two or three of the pretty decent corner kicks.  Surely
Deane is well-practised at set piece play. 

Anyway Shearer gets his first goal with the defence .  From here
until half time Leeds played shite and it was very worrying.  Rocastle
was the only player who was up by the halfway line when we broke
away,  all too frequently and any long punt by the defence fell to the
feet of Blackburn players.  Rocky actually played ok and showed 
good skill but the team were missing the focal point - Batty.  Speed 
was anonymous. 

The second half came and Shearer gets another goal.  He is one of the 
finest strikers so I suppose you can't totally blame the defence but 
by this time I thought we were in for a beating.  Leeds battled fiercely
with Whelan playing well up front,  holding the ball and putting decent
balls in the box a lot (he came on for Rocky at half time) but when we
did get back in it it was Deano who was in the box and looking like 
scoring who got hauled down and the ref points to the spot.  Macca
converted this and the relief was tangible.  It was at this point I think
Batty came on and it made a f- of a difference.  He was at the root of
 an outstanding attacking display.  

However they got a free kick from one of their lot diving when noone
was anywhere near,  and Leeds were still beginning to take position
when Newell I think takes the kick and Shearer picks it up and scores.

Noone knew what had happened cos noone expected a free kick in the
first place let alone expected them to take it like that.  Are they allowed
to do that?

Anyway 3-1 down and I'm thinking,  bastard,  I come all this way and
we f-ing lose.  The Blackburn were doing this moslem prayer arm-worship
thing going "Shearer-Shearer".  Leeds get stuck in though and in the last
few minutes Newsome gets the goal to go 3-2,  don't ask me what it was
the whole match was so exciting I forgot everything!  Then McAllister 
gets the equaliser after a team performance of fanatical determination.
Everyone was in there it was like the Stuttgart 4-1 game.  The Kop 
were all doing the moslem arm-worship thing chanting "Newsome-Newsome"
and even waving Newsome's picture in the Kop (he was this week's 
pinup!)  I would have been killing myself laughing if the team weren't
battling away so furiously for a winner and the whole place going mad.

It was brilliant to see the Blackburn end silenced like that.  They were 
lucky to get their point, especially as they never deserved the third goal.
Anyway I got so carried away that I can't remember the game in
detail so this report is crap,  all I can remember is the Elland Road 
wall of noise and the fury of the Leeds attack once Batty was on the pitch.

Well worth 14 quid I'd say,  though next time I'll make sure it's a Kop
ticket I get.   Oh yeah the Square Ball featured the article about us.  It
was good to see a reference to me in a fanzine (however indirect).

Tim
33.1443Is it true?XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Tue Oct 26 1993 19:113
Batty is gone to Blackburn for 2.75 million!

                           James.
33.1444PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCTue Oct 26 1993 19:334
    
    Yep...just heard it on the news.
    
    Dave...
33.1445FORTY2::FOWLERMCome the glorious dayTue Oct 26 1993 19:358
Hyuk, hyuk, hyuk!

Kenny is mad after all.

I bet Souness is seething. If he loses Tim Flowers as well then it will be 2-0
to Kenny.

Mike
33.1446Another goingXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Tue Oct 26 1993 20:525
Seems like another Leeds international going spanish before the end of the
week.  Where the f*&& is it going to end.  Turn off the light when you're
leaving!

                          James.
33.1447Not a good first impression !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Oct 27 1993 13:0316
33.1448Leeds RIPXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Wed Oct 27 1993 16:0630
Personally a bit over the top, I think, but then what do I know?

                           James.

From:	XSTACY::VBORMC::"robinson@noodle.med.yale.edu" "MAIL-11 Daemon"
27-OCT-1993 10:08:45.35
To:	leeds-united@vax.ox.ac.uk
CC:	
Subj:	RIP

In Memorium
-----------

We are sorry to announce the sad demise of Leeds United football club, who
died tragically yesterday in unforseen circumstances.

In an heroic act of bravery, Leeds donated a vital organ to another club
desperately in need of a new heart (Blackburn Rovers). Leeds felt they could
survive the transplant, but they were sadly misguided by thier advisors.

They had a turbulent career, reaching its peak in the early 70's, but this
for followed by almost 2 decades in the wilderness. Recently though a 
resurection in thier career had taken place, which makes this loss all the
more devestating.

They will be sadly missed.

The funeral will take place on Saturday when Leeds will be buried by 11 men
in blue & white. If you cannot make this, don't worry, as it will be repeated
all over the country on a weekly basis.
33.1449Maybe Rocastle will get a GameESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Wed Oct 27 1993 16:124
33.1450ch ch ch changes, turn and face the changeWELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Wed Oct 27 1993 16:3511
    
    
       Re last 
      Brian , Frank Strandli the Norwegian international is next, he went
    to Spain yesterday to seal a deal there i believe.
    
    I think there will be a demo at Leeds at the next home game against
    Chelsea a week on saturday
    
    Paul..( a very Pis*ed off Leeds fan)   :-( :-(
    
33.1451PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCWed Oct 27 1993 17:428
    
    >> Has Wilkinson any ba**s, why does'nt he stand up to the board.
    
     Yeah...this is obviously the reason he is favourite to get the England
    job...he's a "yes" man. Just what the FA require to complete the fall
    of English Football.
    
    Dave...
33.1452Please, No! Not wilko!SHAWB1::STOCKMANSWed Oct 27 1993 18:255
I was just to say that myself Dave.

Looks a convienient time to move on to me.

Si
33.1453Rebuilding Time at Leeds...COMICS::LINDLEYThu Oct 28 1993 21:0041
    Well, as a Leeds Supporter, I was very p*ssed off to see Batty go to
    Blackburn. Can't blame Batty, he's doubled his wages and got a big fat
    signing on fee.
    
>>> .1447 I wouldn't have thought Batty was worth #2M let alone #2.75M
    
    Well you obviously weren't at Elland Road on Saturday ! Up until Batty
    came on the midfield were directionless, and in-effective  ( Leeds were 
    0-2 at the time ) Ironically Blackburn would have won the game if it
    wasn't for Batty ! 
    
    Apparently, Kenny has been bidding for Batty since the season began and
    was just waiting for his injury to clear up. Batty will do well at
    Blackburn, he's just the sort of player they need. And Leeds will miss
    him badly. Perhaps Rocastle will get a run in the team. He wasn't very
    good on Saturday and was taken off at half-time.
    
>>> .1449 Has Wilkinson any ba**s, why doesn't the stand up to the board.
    
    Leeds need the money, and Wilkinson knows this. They probably owe money
    on the new stand and will need more money in the summer when the rest
    of the ground is to be made all-seater.
    
    Wilkinson also wants/needs to strengthen the squad. Leeds STILL need a
    central defender, and another forward. ( Wallace is not playing that
    well either..... ) So perhaps he's been promised some dosh for players.
    
>>> .1450 Frank Strandi
    
    He hope he goes. I saw him a couple of times. He looked out of his
    depth but then again he was only young.
    
>>> .1451 Wilkinson favorite for the England Job.
    
    I don't think you could call Wilkinson a "yes" man. He generally speaks
    his mind. I hope he doesn't take it or even get offered the job,
    because while he's done a good job at Leeds, it doesn't mean to say
    he'll make a good England manager.
    
    But then again, when was the last time an "English" Manager won
    anything in England.........????         
33.14543-3 againFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandMon Nov 01 1993 16:566
    
    How about a match report?
    
    How did the midfield stand up?
    
    SteveP
33.1455Leeds 3 A.N.Other3, Arsenal 0 Everyone 0 ?GIDDAY::PARSONSWhich Space Corps Directive ?Tue Nov 02 1993 01:098
    
    > How did the midfield stand up?
    
    Don't know, but Rocastle got praised for the first time in a Leeds
    strip.  Perhaps he'll start playing now !
    
    Wonder who'll break the record first ... Arsenal for consecutive
    0-0 league draws or Leeds for consecutive 3-3 draws.
33.1456YUPPY::PANESBlimey' Caff, we've 'ad a wight wesultTue Nov 02 1993 11:3112
     <<< Note 33.1455 by GIDDAY::PARSONS "Which Space Corps Directive ?" >>>
                -< Leeds 3 A.N.Other3, Arsenal 0 Everyone 0 ? >-

    
    
>    Wonder who'll break the record first ... Arsenal for consecutive
>    0-0 league draws or Leeds for consecutive 3-3 draws.

The smart money is on Leeds ( Leeds Leeds ).


Stuart
33.1457mailing-list report on Wednesday 3 Leeds 3XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Tue Nov 02 1993 17:0644
From:	XSTACY::VBORMC::"stuart@vax.ox.ac.uk" "Stuart Lee"  1-NOV-1993
10:21:59.52
To:	LEEDS-UNITED@vax.ox.ac.uk
CC:	
Subj:	Saturday

It was a hell of a match, one of the best I've seen in a long while (live that
is). Hillsborough is a great stadium to be in when it's almost full and you've
got a barnstorming derby to watch.

Wed went 1 up in the space of a couple of minutes. Waddle played a lovely
through ball to bright I think, who was then hacked down. Waddle then scored an
unstoppable free-kick. From then on Leeds showed some good attacking play but
thankfully Bright is a donkey who gets caught off-side alot or we'd have been
in trouble (Newsome and wetherall look dodgy to say the least). When we
equalised I thought we would begin to walk it but almost immediately (it
seemed) Wednesday were back in front.

Second half began with Leeds on full throttle. A through ball from Rocastle (I
think) caught Wednesday napping and Wallace raced through (although the ball
bobbled a bit) to slot home. The crowd around reckoned he was off-side (guess
where we had to sit) but I don't think he was. Rocastle continued to play
brilliantly and it was he who crossed the ball in for the third. We then began
to go to sleep a bit and wednesday came back to make it 3 all. The last 20
minutes or so were frantic but great to watch. It could have gone either way
but a draw really was the only fair result.

The "protest" over Batty was in the form of a few banners "The crown jewel's
gone, now get rid of the silver", "Silver - 100% Leeds or 100% greed?" and a
few chants of "Batty" (the Wednesday replied with "Where's your batty gone?").
But the team played well (apart from the dodgy defence). Rocky did what was
asked, but McAllister was incredible. He never stopped running, played some
great through balls, tackled hard, and kept the team going. I think the
commitment shown by the players kept the crowd happy and off the Batty subject.

Speed was a bit of a non event (although he did score a goal!) and Deane
lumbered about a bit, but was strong when he got the ball.

It was an encouraging performance showing we can come back when it counts
(unlike last year). A draw at Wednesday isn't a bad result but with MUFC
winning it may be academic.

Stu

33.1458Another home winGIDDAY::PARSONSWhich Space Corps Directive ?Mon Nov 08 1993 00:579
    
    Leeds United  4  Chelsea    1
    
    Wallace 2
    Deane
    Rocastle !
    
    Back up to 4th, one point behind Villa & Norwich.  Good to see
    the multi-million pound boys scoring.
33.1459As Stuart Hall said...XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Mon Nov 08 1993 12:1610
"Chelsea were like the village vicar caught in a New York revolving door"

All the ratings of the team were either 7,8, or 9's.  Kelly was everyones man 
of the match.  Deano scored his first at Elland and Rocastle his first since
March.  Rodney scoring two, rounding off an excellent afternoon for Leeds.  
Pity about the debacle yesterday though :-(. 

More later from the mailing list?!

                         James.
33.1460Rubbing it inREDARO::WLC_IMPROV1Fri Nov 26 1993 14:532
    Thanks for Eric Cantona,he's been at Man Utd a year tomorrow and what a
    great year.Plenty more to come.
33.1461re -1XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Fri Nov 26 1993 18:216
Your're welcome!

*WE* like our players to keep their hands on what's theirs, not on things that
they can't have!

                            James.
33.1462French Flash and Sha**ing Lesly AshESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Fri Nov 26 1993 18:507
33.1463CODS::ESBECKDay TripperFri Nov 26 1993 19:395
    re -1 
    Ypu might'nt be laughing so much if it was your trouble and strife he
    was porking...:-)
    
    Declan
33.1464Oh Ah CantonaESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Sat Nov 27 1993 13:238
33.1465Leeds 3 - 2 Manchester CityXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Wed Dec 08 1993 12:2759
Kevin Shapre got his first run of the season.  There seems to be some good
'un of the way upto the first team.  That's 13 unbeaten in a row.  Our best
run in 15 years (I think).  West Ham tonight and a tricky one at that.  I see
the bookies have given up on anyone catching United.  Oh ye of little faith. 
We were given no chance before and we turned them over - the only difference
this time is that we have to come from further behind this time :-).

                       James.

A little report from Saturday:

Leeds 3 Manchester City 2

Brian Deane conjured up a Leeds winner with five minutes to spare after
crisis club Manchester City had staged a spirited fightback at Elland Road.
City, whose power struggle has dominated the season's headlines, continued
to struggle on the pitch where they conceded two goals in the first 22
minutes and have now gone nine Premiership games without a win. But until
Deane's late winner it seemed City were on their way to a precious point
after manager Brian Horton made an inspired interval substitution. He
replaced Fitzroy Simpson with former Shrewsbury striker Carl Griffiths who
created City's first goal for Mike Sheron in the 54th minute and then
scored his first Premier goal six minutes later after a suicidal back
headewr by Leeds defender Chris Fairclough. It was a huge shock for Leeds
whose class had stood out in a one sided first half. They hurried into an
11th minute lead when Gordon Strachan's free kick was turned into the path
of Rod Wallace by defender Alan Kernaghan, and Wallace duly collected his
eighth goal of the season. With City struggling to defend at set pieces,
Strachan again planted a free kick into the penalty area where David
Wetherall released Gary Speed whose left foot shot gave Tony Coton no
chance. Leeds should have gone on to pile up a big score but after Wallace
had seen a close-range shot blocked by Coton and Gary McAllister's lob was
cleared off the line by Kernaghan, the tide turned. 

WILKO: NEVER MIND THE TITLE RACE
Leeds cut the gap on runaway leaders Manchester United to 12 points but
manager Howard Wilkinson refused to discuss the title race after his side's
3-2 home win over Manchester City. Brian Deane's winner with five minutes
left killed off City's brave fightback and left Leeds unbeaten in 13
Premiership matches, while Manchester United were held to a draw by
Norwich. But Wilkinson said: ``I am not interested in Manchester United and
gaining or losing points on them at this stage. It really doesn't concern
me.'' Wilkinson described his team's display as ``a Jekyll and Hyde
performance'', adding: ``You can't give away goals like that. I said at
half time that, if the players didn't make silly errors, the game was all
over. But we dropped our guard, lost concentration and suddenly it was
2-2.'' City boss Brian Horton said: ``I thought we did enough to deserve a
point on our second half display. ``We gave two stupid free kicks away in
the first half and didn't clear them at all. I had strong words about our
defending when we went in at half time. 

Leeds: Beeney, Kelly, Dorigo, Sharp, Fairclough, Wetherall, Strachan, Rodney
Wallace (Raymond Wallace 89), Deane, McAllister, Speed. Subs Not Used: Whelan,
Lukic.

Man City: Coton, Phelan, McMahon, Vonk, Curle, Kernaghan (Ingebrigtsen 89),
White, Sheron, Simpson (Griffiths 46), Lomas, Mike. Subs Not Used: Dibble.

Att: 33,821
33.1466We ROZ RobbedCOMICS::LINDLEYTue Dec 14 1993 14:1021
    Norwich 2 Leeds 1
    
    When Brian.....
    
    I'm sick as a parrot, but Norwich must be over the moon. But at the end
    of the day, you've got to fancy Norwich to win if the score stays at
    2-1........
    
    Seriously though, Leeds were robbed. The only good thing about the
    match from a Leeds point of view is that they played well. Obviously Mr
    Hayden didn't see the game from his comment in the Man Utd note. 
    
    Still luck has a habit of evening out over the season. A draw at West
    Ham would have been a fairer result last week so you've got to take the
    rough with the smooth.
    
    Some interesting games for Leeds over Christmas. Arsenal, Newcastle,
    QPR and Manchester United....
    
    Brian
    
33.1467ESSB::PHAYDENTue Dec 14 1993 14:349
    
    You're right Brian, I didn't see the game.
    
    Would have liked to though. Norwich are a good side and Leeds do seem
    to be on a bit of a roll. My note was aimed at James (who I play
    football with) and was meant as a dig at *his* excellent and well
    balanced notes in the Man. U. topic, not a dig at Leeds. 
    
    Peter(An Impartial Celt)
33.1468Leeds 2 - 1 ArsenalXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Sun Dec 19 1993 17:0763
At last, a win against a team our supposed equal and it was in my opinion a 
vitally needed win against a team who had previously only conceded 3 goals 
(9 games) in the league away from home all season.

Leeds took the game to Arsenal from the start, and took a deserved lead 
after 21 minutes.  It was a supreme piece of individual skill from 
McAllister who received the ball on the edge of the area after an abortive 
corner.  He touched the ball over the tackle of an oncoming Arsenal 
defender and took it along for a few yards before Seaman committed himself 
to come out against the onrushing midfielder.  With this McAllister slipped 
a beautiful right sidefooted shot off the post and into the goal.  It was 
so well taken that I thought for a dreadful second he had stroked it 
too wide of Seaman.  Leeds sat back for a while after scoring and allowed 
Arsenal gain parity with a somewhat poor defensive passage of play which 
culminated with Jensen heading onto Campbells head to leave Beeney stranded 
on the goal line.  Jensen received the ball from a poor defensive header, 
which was the result of a Wright byline cross.

The second half was almost all Leeds with Arsenal getting not much more
than a look in.  Leeds had the greater hunger to win as Arsenal seemed to
be a bit lethargic.  No real clear cut chances were created by either team
though most of the positive work was done by Leeds.  Both goalkeepers had
very little to do all the half except handle a few corners.  The winning
goal, when it came, was from a freekick taken by McAllister with his left
foot.  His looping left foot cross eluded everyone except Adams who I think
was trying to head it back to the keeper, but in doing so headed the ball
past his own keeper and into the net.  The freekick was a result of Limpar 
acting up as he is liable to do when he doesn't get things his own way :-).
Leeds kept going for the third goal but it didn't seem likely, though 
Arsenal didn't seems likely to get an equaliser either.

Leeds have now moved to within 10 points of MUFC with a game more played. 
Rocastle made a late appearance and laid on a fine pass down the right wing
for Wallace to run onto.  Wallace looked sharp though possibly a but
selfish at times.  Deane looks very uncomfortable in the position Wilko is
playing him in currently.  He is full of the nods and the flicks but more
often than not they're not going anywhere.  The Leeds defence reacted, on
the whole well to the dual threat of Wright and Campbell though, as always,
they seems to give the fans a fright every so often.  The match was
televised live on Irish T.V. and I think it was the first time I've seen
them win on R.T.E!  37,515 were at the match which, considering it was the
last Saturday before Christmas, was a fabulous crowd. 

The team from memory was:

Beeney
Dorigo Wetherall Newsome Kelly
Strachan(Rocastle) McAllister Fairclough Hodge
Wallace Deane

Strachan was buzzing around as usual, more so once he was moved from the
left wing to his more usual right wing position in the second half.  Hodge
had another quiet game.  Fairclough was also quiet.  Kelly sparkled again
and I think Jack Charlton has found a new jewel to parade in the States
next year, (we need some as our more senior player are about to retire en
masse soon) although he was caught out once during the first half when
Arsenal nearly scored.  Beeney made a few competent stops in the first half
and as I said had little to do during the second. 

Now for MUFC to get scuttled tomorrow - then was odds Leeds for the
Premiership?  Blackburn also won today to keep a point behind us. 

                          James.
33.1469FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandMon Dec 20 1993 14:047
    
    Good Report.
    
    MUFC won yesterday so we are still 13 behind.  If we cna close that gap
    over the hols it will still be possible to get to the top!!  
    
    SteveP
33.1470A vote of confidence in WilkoXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Tue Dec 21 1993 12:3523
Over the past while there has been a bit of traffic in the Leeds
mailing list about whether Wilko is the best manager Leeds could have
at this moment in time, so like all democracies we had a vote (non
binding of course :).  The result is that Wilko can stay on, if he
wants to of course!

Results of Wilko Poll:

Question was:
Should Wilko stay on as Manager?

Voted Yes : 21
Voted NO  : 4


Some replacements (if Wilko left) suggested were:

Howard  Kendall
Terry   Venables
Jack    Charlton
Egil    Olsen   (Coach of Norway Nat'l team)
Gordon  Strachan
Gordon  Strachan + D. O'Leary
33.1471More Support for WilkoSUBURB::HAYWOODLLEIGHTON HAYWOOD @REOTue Dec 21 1993 14:4712
You can't complain at Wilko's record to date.

Following promotion we have had 4th place, Winners, somewhere near the bottom, 
and now pushing hard again. In the League there can't be too many with a 
better record over the last few years.

Interesting to hear McAllister's comments in the press, he believes this team 
is playing better than the championship team.

Newcastle tonight with a desperately needed win to keep in touch. Any news on 
the team(s)?

33.1472Reserves at Leicester tonight!FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingTue Dec 21 1993 15:379
>        <<< Note 33.1471 by SUBURB::HAYWOODL "LEIGHTON HAYWOOD @REO" >>>
>                          -< More Support for Wilko >-

>Newcastle tonight with a desperately needed win to keep in touch. Any news on 
>the team(s)?

No, it's tomorrow.

g
33.1473Rocastle goesto MachesterWELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Wed Dec 22 1993 16:429
    
    
        Rocky has gone to Manchester (wait for it ) City in a straight swap
       for David White ...no money involved Bet you Manc fans thought we'd 
       let you have  another one then did'n't ya!!!
    
    
    
    Paul
33.1474Three points from 3 games...COMICS::LINDLEYWed Jan 05 1994 20:5350
    Leeds results over Christmas.....
    
    Newcastle 1 Leeds 1
    
    The Newcastle match was always a regular Boxing day match, but I think
    Keegan and Wilkinson must have "done a deal.." to ease fixture
    conjestion.
    
    Still 1-1 seems to have been a fair result.
    
    Leeds 1 QPR 1
    
    I went to this one as I was at home over Christmas. Also this was the
    biggest home crowd of the season, 39,106.
    
    The game started well for Leeds with White making his debut for Leeds.
    There were a couple of really good chances for Leeds in the first half
    with a Newsome shot ( or was it a header ) hitting a post. Then Wallace
    got injured and was taken off. Sharpe came on, and White went up front
    in the place of Wallace. After this substution Leeds lost their way a
    bit.
    
    QPR started well in the second half and put Leeds under a bit of
    pressure. QPR scored after a good run by Sinclair. ( But I can't
    remember who scored - Jon Wood help ? ) This goal prompted Leeds into
    action and Leeds put lots of pressure on the QPR goal. McCallister was
    unlucky not to score from a free kick just outside the box. Hodge did
    however equalise with a bit of a scrappy goal.
    
    I was impressed with QPR, and they have some good players. Best players
    for QPR were Bardsley, Peacock ( who kept Deane really quite ), Wilkins
    and Sinclair.
    
    For Leeds, Kelly, Newsome, McCalister. Fairclough ( who seems to switch
    betweeen the Batty role in midfield and the central defender role )
    
    Manchester Utd 0 Leeds 0
    
    I was a bit dissappointed that Leeds didn't do some more positive
    things in this game. Still a point at Old Trafford ain't bad.
    
    Leeds v Villa - Match postponed
    
    I think Wilkinson was happy that it was postponed. Without Speed, the
    side lacks balance and without Wallace we lack pace up front. We need
    these two back PDQ.
    
    Fifth in the table after Newcastle won at Norwich last night. 
    
    Brian  
33.1475Newcastle stand coming down - confirm Newcastle supporter(s)?XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Thu Jan 06 1994 12:2319
re -1 

Brian,

I was listening to the Newcastle match on the radio and they mentioned
something about some stand coming down after the Leeds game finishing. 
The match was pushed back to facilitiate the work commencing and finishing
quicker.

I think Leeds lost 75K by having the match versus Villa postponed.  That's
the money Sky would have paid to have the game televised.  What you win on
one hand you lost on the other :-).

Also, Mark Beeneys wife is supposed to have coached hubby to dive to the
right side to save Beardsleys penalty.  It seems she watched some of his
previous attempts and postulated that he would kick the penalty to the ?
side.  Wife told Beeney, and the rest is history :-).

                          James.
33.1476Leeds player stats for season to dateXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Thu Jan 06 1994 12:5530
Via Carl Erik of the Leeds mailing list:

Players so far this season, 24 league games and 2 cc-cup:

Leeds United players 93/94 after 26 matches

No    Name              App  Full Start Sub  Goals
  3  Tony Dorigo         26    26    0    0     0
  9  Brian Deane         26    26    0    0     6
 10  Gary McAllister     26    26    0    0     6
 22  Gary Kelly          26    26    0    0     0
  5  Chris Fairclough    24    24    0    0     2
  8  Rod Wallace         23    14    6    3    10
 13  Mark Beeney         21    21    0    0     0
 11  Gary Speed          21    20    1    0     8
  7  Gordon Strachan     19    15    4    0     3
 18  David Wetherall     18    16    2    0     0
 16  Jon Newsome         17    15    0    2     1
 25  Noel Whelan         12     3    3    6     1
  4  David Batty          9     8    0    1     0
 15  David Rocastle       8     1    5    2     1
 14  Steve Hodge          7     6    0    1     1
 12  John Pemberton       6     4    1    1     0
  1  John Lukic           5     5    0    0     0
 20  Kevin Sharp          5     1    2    2     0
 17  Frank Strandli       5     0    0    5     0
  6  David O'Leary        3     2    1    0     0
  4  David White          2     2    0    0     0
 19  Ray Wallace          1     0    0    1     0
 26  Jamie Forrester      1     0    0    1     0
33.1477St James' StadiumSIOG::A_KELLYThu Jan 06 1994 13:008
    re - .1475
    
    What is happening is the the last remaining 'old' side of St James'
    Park, the Gallowgate end, is being closed to build a covered all-seater
    stand. This will mean that the stadium will be completely enclosed and
    will be ready for the '96 European Championships.
    
    Cheers......Ned 
33.1478ARNIES::SMITHP1Radio Gnome InvisibleFri Jan 07 1994 19:288
> re: Note 33.1474 by COMICS::LINDLEY
>
>    ..QPR scored after a good run by Sinclair. ( But I can't
>    remember who scored - Jon Wood help ? )

	In John's absence, I'd just like to say it was Michael Meaker.

		p1	
33.1479MARVIN::MORRELLThu Jan 13 1994 12:095
    Has anyone got any team news about Saturdays Match... will Wallace or
    Speed be back?
    
    Rick.... 
    
33.1480Not quite!XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Fri Jan 14 1994 12:189
Rick,

Looks not, since as far as I know, neither Wallace, Speed, or for that
matter O'Leary are back in full training yet.  We have able
replacements in place as we speak => Newsome, Sharp, and Forrester (a
great prospect).  All you have to do is witness the two goals he got
against Crewe to realise that he's a boy for the future!

                         James. 
33.1481What a wonderful Leeds Calendar! ;-)MARVIN::MORRELLFri Jan 14 1994 12:258
    Any chance of you putting the match report in here?
    
    I've just moved from Leeds to Reading and there's nothing in the 
    Southern papers about Leeds... don't know why.. they beat the socks
    off many of the Southern teams! ;-)
    
    Rick.
     
33.1482Who plays for Leeds these days ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenFri Jan 21 1994 16:5819
    Any Leeds fans care to speculate on the team you will be putting out on
    Sunday, its a big game for both teams and Leeds seem to have been
    mixing it up a bit recently:
    
    This is probably the team you will facing,
                                           
    			Flowers
    
            Berg     May    Hendry    LeSaux
    
    		  Sherwood   Batty
    
    	Ripley   Shearer   Gallacher  Wilcox 
    
    
                                           
    Cheers,
    
    Andy 
33.1483Battyburn 0 Leeds 1WELCLU::CADDL.U.F.C. League Champions 1991/92Fri Jan 21 1994 19:3925
    
    
    
      Andy,
    
             We have had Wallace (hamstring ) and Speed (Knee ligaments)
    out for a while, speed played last week for 20 mins and Wallace should
    be back for sunday. I suspect Wilko will tag Shearer with a man marker,
    probably Fairclough and the team should look like this :-
    
    
                         Beeney
           Kelly  Wetherall  Newsome Dorigo
                      Fairclough
            Strachan  McAllister  Speed 
                Wallace        Deane 
    
    
      If Wallace  isn't fit then Forrester will play up front with Deane.
    I won,t be going as Battyburn  only gave a couple of tickets!!!
    
    
    
    Paul
    
33.14842-1 to BlackburnFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandMon Jan 24 1994 12:2515
    
    I caught the second half on the radio.
    
    Blackburn had 70% of the posession and went in 1-0 up at half-time
    thanks to Mr Shearer. Second half Leeds were more positive getting 50%
    of the game and having a couple of good long range shots to test
    Flowers. Leeds started more constant pressure in the last fifteen
    minutes and Speed Scores a great equalizer, with Leeds continuing the
    pressure it looks like leeds could win the game against the run of play
    and blow me if shearer don't go and score another on 90 minutes. Leeds
    had one more chance in extra time but never got it in the net and it
    ended 2-1 in blackburns favour.  Still a few good results and we may
    still get into Europe.
    
    SteveP
33.1485CHEFS::HARRISRGoosenargh!Mon Jan 24 1994 12:3110
    After the behavior of some of the 'fans' I don't think I would like to
    see Leeds in Europe. They'd probably go around singing there's only one
    Winston Churchill in Germany, one Lord Nelson in France, and anything
    else they could dream up to offend. I feel sorry for the majority of
    fans who behave themselves, but the type of people who chant the way
    they did in the one minutes silence seem like the type of 'fan' who
    don't travel too well, and usually end up in a cell.
    
    Rich.
    
33.1486A sad day for LeedsWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Jan 24 1994 12:5119
    RE: 1484
    
    SteveP,
    
    I was at the game and thought many of your followers (not fans) let you
    down. I'm not making any generalist comments because I was close enough
    to see a number Leeds fans were clearly unhappy about what happened.
    
    As far as your team are concerned I would forget about Europe this year, 
    you need about 3 more decent players.
    
    Still, I would be very pleased if you could raise your game about 3
    notches and hold MANU to a draw when they visit Elland Road.
                                          
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
     
33.1487Be biased along the line at least?XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Mon Jan 24 1994 15:0912
re .1485

So you've been fooled by the hype too?  How much do you know about Leeds and
their fans and the effort they've gone to over the past 5/10 years to get rid
of the rough element.  As I've already said let those without sin cast the
first slur.  So, as I've said previously in the MUFC note, I hope you take the
same line with the Liverpool, Man City and Arse fans who did the same thing on
Saturday.  If you are going to be biased at least be biased along the line
rather than pick on the easy targets.  Remember, MUFC haven't got the most
exemplary fans either, witness the Intanbul 6, or whatever they were called.

                          James.
33.1488There's only one Don RevieXSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Mon Jan 24 1994 15:115
Certainly racist stuff I'd have to say.  Let's cart them off to prison
and throw away the key.  Poor Matt must be turning in his grave at the
moment :-).

                         James.
33.1489UNTADE::PCASYorkieMon Jan 24 1994 15:285
    Shirley, it doesn't matter what OTHER fans were or weren't doing, the
    fact that Leed fans did it is cause for disgrace. I'd feel disgraced if
    it were Sheff. Wednesday fans chanting during the minutes silence.
    
    Al.
33.1490ESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Mon Jan 24 1994 16:243
33.1491I'm missing all the good stuff...XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Mon Jan 24 1994 18:097
re -1

I'm missing all the good bits.  Could whoever wrote the last note
please forward it onto me so I can chuck it in the shredder when I go
home tonight.
    
                         James.   
33.1492COMICS::LINDLEYMon Jan 24 1994 20:0032
    As a Leeds fan, I too am extremely p*ssed off with regard to the
    behavior of our so called fans during the one minute silence for Sir
    Matt. Leeds as a club have spent an incredible ammount of time and
    effort in trying to get rid of these morons. I would have thought the
    match was all ticket and therefore all these morans are traceable. If
    Blackburn have closed circuit tv for crowd control, then these fans
    will be even easier to find. Then just cancel their season
    ticket/membership at least the rest of the season, hopefully life.
    
    From the Sky coverage, you could see some of the Leeds players were
    noticeably furious with the chanting of the Morons. I'm sure they know
    only to well how much effort has gone in to fixing the problem, and to
    see and hear this must be most dissappointing. Howard Wilkinson was
    interviewed after the match, and he was speachless, and visibly upset,
    when questioned on the matter.
    
    On to the match..... Well there was only one team in it in the first
    half, and Leeds were lucky that they were only 1-0 down at half time.
    Leeds couldn't have complained if it was 2-0 or 3-0 by half time. It
    probably would have been if the chances had fallen to Shearer and not
    Gallagher. As the Blackburn note says, Blackburn had total control in
    the midfield, and seemed to be a lot more keen and quicker to the ball. 
    
    The second half was a lot more even, and Gary Speed equalised with a
    good shot. At this stage, Leeds looked like they might snatch it, but
    up pops that man Shearer again. Ah, well, a win for Blackburn was a
    fair result. At least it keeps the title chase going for a while
    longer.         
    
    RE: .prev >>> Leeds are 3 players short.....
    
    What only three players...!!!!!
33.1493Two wrong's don't make a right...COMICS::LINDLEYTue Jan 25 1994 12:1919
    I forgot to mention a couple of other points in my last reply.
    
    There was reason for the chanting of "There's only one Don Revie" 
    during the minutes silence before the game on Sunday, by the morons.
    When Don Revie passed away, Manchester Utd were playing Leeds shortly
    afterwards and there was also a minutes silence before the game. The
    minutes silence was broken by the Manchester Utd fans chanting "Where's
    your Revie gone ?" Sunday's episode was obviously planned as "revenge"
    for this. I know, it's no excuse, but thats the way these "fans" think.
    
    Lesley Silver has said these fans can't/won't be punished. i.e Ban
    them. He did make an apology to both Manchester Utd, and Sir Matts
    family for the whole episode.
    
    Another sad note is that Mel Sterland has had to quit the game due to
    his injury.
    
    Brian
    
33.1494FORTY2::FOWLERMFrank's Fantastic Shed ShowTue Jan 25 1994 12:245
Swindon have banned a fan that disrupted the silence, so why can't Leeds? The
Leeds chairman said it would be too difficult to police, but I can't for the
life of me see why.

Mike
33.1495Its a storm in a tea cup....MARVIN::MORRELLTue Jan 25 1994 12:274
    Well its says in the Daily Express that Silver will support the banning
    of any supporters but he says that it might be hard to inforce it..
    
    Rick.
33.1496Kick em out - There's no place for themPIECES::63585::SWIFFENTue Jan 25 1994 12:4010
Surely to get away tickets for Blackburn you need
to be a season ticket holder.  It must be easy to
identify them from yesterday's papers, video etc, 
take the season tickets off 'em.  Leeds can do that
it is in their rights!

It's a bit of a cop out if they let them get away 
with it.

Chris.
33.1497Bye MelUPROAR::LEMPLive slow, die youngTue Jan 25 1994 14:0413
    re .1493
    
    >Another sad note is that Mel Sterland has had to quit the game due to
    >his injury.
    
    Yes, sad to see Zico go. He was always a favourite at Hillsborough. I
    was always amazed that he never played more for England. Will there be
    a testimonial for him (Rangers or Wednesday would be good).
    
    Paul.
    
    
    
33.1498SUBURB::ABSOLOMTbetty swollocksTue Jan 25 1994 14:588
    
    I see that Martin Edwards has tried to defuse the situation by saying
    that Leeds were a "lovely club" and he understood the fact that it was
    an ignorant minority. All together now, aaaaahhhhhhhhhh.
    
    Tony
    
    
33.1499life banFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandWed Jan 26 1994 11:597
    
    Leeds have said tha all those who can be identified as having chanted
    during the one minutes silence will face life bans home and away. 
    Leeds will also make a donation to any charity chosen by Sir Matt's
    family.
    
    SteveP
33.1500.1500MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Wed Jan 26 1994 12:427
    
    With all the publicity there's been over this.. they'll probably find
    they've encouraged more people to join in!! 
    
    They'll never learn!
    
    rick
33.1501PEKING::COSSEYNDry those eyes Hastings....Mon Feb 07 1994 11:526
    
    Watched the game on Sky yesterday two avarage sides with crap forward
    lines..Deane is quite frankly awful Leeds should have kept Chapman and
    saved 2.5 mill...Not a very good game for the neutral....
    
    Neil... 
33.1502MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Mon Feb 07 1994 12:475
    I think its about time Deane was dropped & we played Fat Frank... I
    wasn't too impresses by Noel Whelan.. he looked a bit out of his
    depth.... A boring game to say the least!
    
       Rick.
33.1503Result, anyone??UPROAR::LEMPLive slow, die youngMon Feb 07 1994 12:561
    
33.1504I left my armchair early, but ...BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Mon Feb 07 1994 13:038
    Paul,
    
    As far as I know it was 1-0 to Villa. Andy Townsend got the goal after
    about 65 minutes. I missed the last five minutes, but I don't think the 
    score changed. As the previous replies said, it wasn't very stimulating
    stuff !
    
    Jerry.
33.1505Villa winPIECES::63585::SWIFFENMon Feb 07 1994 13:073
Yep final score 1-0 to Villa

Chris.
33.1506We lost again on Sky..COMICS::LINDLEYMon Feb 07 1994 20:5822
    A very disappointing Leeds performance at the Villa, to say the least.
    Let's face it, we were cr*p. We can forget europe. The likes of Man.
    Utd., Blackburn and Newcastle are streets ahead of us. So what to 
    do......
    
    Well, what I'd like to see happen is move Fairclough into the holding 
    midfield role and play either Wetherall or O'Leary at the centre of
    defence with Newsome. This releases McAllister to move further upfield.
    
    We need to buy another forward quickly. Forrester and Whelan are too
    young and not experienced, Fat Frank - forget it, he's got no pace and
    again looks lost. Deane still hasn't settled, but he'll come good. He
    lays a lot of balls of for Wallace, and it is him who has befitted from
    Deane's presence. We have no cover for Wallace.
    
    Personally, I'd make a bid for Alan Smith at Arsenal, ( that's where we
    get most of our player from anyway....!! ) and play him as an out and
    out centre forward. Does he get a game at Arsenal very often ??? 
    
    Oxford on Wednesday night. God help us....
    
    Brian  
33.1507WHY?BAHTAT::WILSONATue Feb 08 1994 13:3110
Lets  face it Leeds are getting worse. Recent performances have been getting nearly as 
bad as last season. Why the hell we play Strachan anymore is beyond me, in the last few 
games on SKY and against Oxford he hasnt done anything at all. His corners have been poor
he hasnt even laided on any decent passes. Perhaps a couple of years ago he was good but
surly now hes passed his best. We have no cover for him apart from Hodge and hes just as 
bad. Come back Rocastle all is forgiven! 
  Finally does anyone know if Wallace will play against Oxford?

                           Rob
                               on Work experience 
33.1508outFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandThu Feb 10 1994 11:5420
    
    Leeds 2   Oxford 3 (after extra time)
    
    	Can anyone post a match report??
    
    All I know from R5 is that Oxford were leading 2-0 (again) with less
    than five minutes to go in normal time when Strachan scores and then
    David White pokes in the equaliser in injury time...
    
    In the second period of extra time Kelly (now always refered to by R5
    as "Young Gary Kelly possibly the find of the season"!!) was caught
    day-dreaming and Oxford got the winner..
    
    	What team will we field on Saturday as I heard that the two
    strikers who started the match, Dean + Strandli(sp?) were taken off for
    being usless!! Did they come off at the same time?
    
    Woe Woe and Thrice WOE!!
    
    SteveP  
33.1509Always look on the bright side.........ESSB::BREEThu Feb 10 1994 12:279
    The Leeds supporters must be really "gutted" after seeing their team
    come back twice from 2 goals down and still lose the tie.
    
    Still, they're such a cheery, sporting bunch I'm sure they'll bounce
    back!!!
    
    Paul
    
    :-) :-)
33.1510MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Thu Feb 10 1994 12:315
    <Selected Comments which I won't write cos they'll only be moderated!!> 
    
    :-)))))
    
      Rick.
33.1511Swallows come in twos and threesPIECES::63597::oneillsPlace holder for NOTESFri Feb 11 1994 12:5310
Paul,

Nice to see you have recovered from over 25 years of "guttings".

To coin the ManU adage of the 70s and 80s, there's always
next year!  

Come on The Dons.

Shane
33.1512MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Mon Feb 21 1994 12:159
    Well a good result.. 2-0.... Unfortunately I couldn't get a ticket...
    trust me to go home when they have one of the largest gates of the
    season.... :-(
    
    	Puts us right back in there.. and a place in europe could be
    available since it looks like ManU are going to win everything... lets
    hope we can keep up the winning ways.. :-)
    
    rick
33.1513who put that post thereWELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Tue Feb 22 1994 00:1422
    
    
       Rick,
    
             You should have let me know i had a spare season ticket from
    another Deccie who's wife was busy giving birth. I may have a spare some
    time in the future as the other season ticket holder i go with is going on
    holiday soon let me know if you are interested. We normally meet in the
    Adelphi near the railway. The capacity at Elland road this season is
    43,000 (40,000 when the kop is seated) it did look full but not
    capacity , first time since 1979 that th gate has been over 40k.
    
    Nice to see Gordan Strachan taking a corner and kicking the post
    instead :-))). when he took a corner down the kop end he wiggled the
    post to check it and nearly got booked for timewasteing.
    
    O'Leary had a great game very solid at the back, i wonder if Wilko put
    Lukic in because Lukic and O'Leary played at Arsenal for years and know
    each others strengths/weaknesses??.
    
    Paul
    
33.1514MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Tue Feb 22 1994 12:007
    They said the capacity was 41,500 and the attendance was ~40,300..
    
    Good attendance anyway.. I'll probably go & see the Spurs match... :-)
    
    Do you know when it is???
    
    Rick
33.1515FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandTue Feb 22 1994 17:306
    
    Unless the Spurs match has been changed for TV it will be 16th April.
    
    Rgds
    
    Steve
33.1516Last nightIRNBRU::HOWARDTue Mar 01 1994 11:452
    Oldham 1- 1 Leeds
    (Beckford)   (McAllister)
33.1517Tony Cottee for Gary Speed!SUBURB::PRATTJYou're joking - Jason what?Tue Mar 08 1994 16:509
    
    In the Guardian today, it said that Howard Wilkinson had approached
    Everton for Tony Cottee, but Mike Walker wanted to swap him for 
    Gary Speed. 
    
    Howard Wilkinson must have thought he was taking the P*SS! As the not
    interested reply was given. Thank god for that! An over the hill
    forward for one of the best Midfielders in the country, can't be a
    great deal in anyones book. (Well maybe Graeme Sounesses!)
33.1518MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Tue Mar 08 1994 17:237
    Well it said on Sky text that Gary Mac was approached by a German
    club... but again Wilko said he had rejected the offer..
    
    He said that the current team was better than the side that won the
    championship... but it just hadn't quite jelled yet.. :-)
    
    Rick.
33.1519NEWOA::FIDO_TConation is the keyTue Mar 08 1994 17:294
>    He said that the current team was better than the side that won the
>    championship... but it just hadn't quite jelled yet.. :-)
    
    What ? with Brian Deane in it !
33.1520MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Tue Mar 08 1994 17:358
    Well.. actually I think he was excluding Brian..... I think he's one
    his way to another club... maybe Sheffield Wed... but I think he's on
    his way out....
    
    	They've just got a new German U21 internation who I think he'll try
    to bring into the side... I think Brian's going into the reserves.. :-)
    
    Rick.,
33.1521My prediction for the match of the season! :->MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Tue Mar 15 1994 20:237
    Leeds vs ManU....
    
    		Leeds 3   				ManU 2          					
    
    	Speed, Wallace, Strachan                     Giggs, Cantona
    
    Rick.
33.1522Come on you Red Devils.....COMICS::LINDLEYThu Mar 24 1994 16:2529
    I was trying to work out what the lowest position in the league you
    could finish and still qualify for Europe. I reckon Leeds have a good
    chance of finishing fifth or above, thats if they wake up and realise
    it not the summer holidays yet - Like they have been playing recently !
    
    So I'll stick my neck out and predict the following..... ( Are we
    having end of season predications....??? )
    
    Premiership		Blackburn Rovers		European Cup
    Runners up 		Man Utd	
    FA Cup 		Man Utd				Cup winners cup
    Coke Cup		Man Utd
    3rd in League	Newcastle			EUFA Place
    Cup Winners Cup	Arsenal				Cup Winners Cup
    4th in League	Arsenal	
    5th in League	Leeds				EUFA Place
    
    Of course all the above will probably happen except Leeds finishing
    fifth.........
    
    Question.
    
    If Man Utd win the double, League plus FA Cup, who goes into the Cup 
    Winners Cup ? I've got a feeling it's the Cup runners-up, unlike the
    coke cup last year.
    
    So, I'm afraid say, I'll be cheering for Man Utd on Sunday.
    
    Brian
33.1523Sticking mine out ...WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Mar 24 1994 16:5518
    
    
    Another end of season prediction for you : 
    
    I understand if the mods want to move this, because its got very little
    to do with Leeds ;-) 
                                 Pts

       1 Blackburn Rovers         89
       2 Man. Utd.                87
       3 Arsenal                  79
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    

    
33.1524FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingThu Mar 24 1994 17:076
If Manu win the League and FA Cup, then the Cup Finalists go into the CWC.

"   "    "   "     "    "  League Cup, then there is an extra UEFA Cup place 
for the Premiership - so even Leeds could make it!

g
33.1525How about an end of season prdiction note ?COMICS::LINDLEYThu Mar 24 1994 18:0016
    Yep, you're right Andy. I doesn't really have a lot to do with Leeds
    except they play Man U.
    
    I think an end of season prediction note is in order. ( please Mr Mod )
    I mean we have the coke cup final on Sunday, we know who's in the FA
    Cup semis plus Easter is usually the time when the men get sorted out
    from the boys. I also see we have a prediction in the Blackburn note.
    
    So how about it ?
    
    1. Predict first five in the league.
    2. Coke cup winners. ( Aston Villa fans, thats you or Man Utd ! )
    3. FA Cup Winners.
    4. Who'll qualify for europe.
    
    Brian
33.1526SUBURB::ABSOLOMTGary Waite, The Shameful TruthThu Mar 31 1994 17:2613
    
    Where have all those Leeds fans gone from 91/92?? The notes were fairly
    flying in then. 
    
    Sometimes I see them walk past in the office, solemn, dejected, without
    purpose even.
    
    This time then there would've feverish excitement over a live match
    against Blackburn.
    
    Tony
    
    
33.1527alive and kickingFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandMon Apr 04 1994 14:078
    
    Some of us are still about, mostly read only.  I think that some
    electronic mailing list file is killing the Leeds note.
    
    Got a point from Newcastle in the last minute, high hopes of stuffing
    the Mancs and finnishing 4th this year.
    
    Steve (it's not a holiday in Sweaty)P
33.1528yesFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandTue Apr 05 1994 13:3613
    
    QPR 0 - Leeds 4
    		Deane
    		Wallace
    		White x2
    
    	A good win away from home now within 4 points of the Arse.  The
    result may be due to a lack of form from the QPR defence who the
    paper(Independent) say tackeling is against their relegion and who
    later do a impression of the parting of the red sea (4th goal
    Mcallister puts White through for his second).
    
    SteveP 
33.1529Why bother...XSTACY::JLUNDON@GAO 822-4715 Apathy is the most terrible vice!Tue Apr 05 1994 18:587
re .1526

Why write for two/three people when I can type away happily in the knowledge
that 150 poeple will read me :-).

                              James.

33.1530he's in my fantasy League team y'see...FILTON::KEARNS_RWed Apr 06 1994 19:153
    Anyone ant ideas why the wee Scot didn't play against QPR???
    
    			RK.
33.1531MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Thu Apr 07 1994 19:475
    The wee scot didn't play because he had an leg injury! :-<
    
    Anyone know when Leeds play Everton??
    
    Rick.
33.1532FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandTue Apr 12 1994 12:354
    
    My list has Leeds v Everton on the 30th April.
    
    SteveP
33.1533MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Tue Apr 12 1994 13:056
    Yep.. I've just sent off for my ticket today... they go on sale from
    tomorrow if anyone is interested.. :->
    
    The ticket line no. is (0532) 710710.
    
    Rick.
33.1534The real date is....WELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Thu Apr 14 1994 23:325
    
    
      The game is on 27th 7.45 k.o.
    
      Paul..
33.1535MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Fri Apr 15 1994 13:053
    Just got my Everton ticket for the Kop.. andone else from DEC going??
    
    Rick.
33.1536UPROAR::HAIGHAFri Apr 15 1994 13:407
    No, but where were you last night ??.
    
    AndyH
    
    ps.I kept Daniel up until atleast 7pm so that he could laugh at you, in
    the end he went to sleep on my lap.
    
33.1537MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Fri Apr 15 1994 15:514
    I got home late.. & couldn't be bothered coming round.. I'll drop them
    off this weekend.. probably after Leeds have beaten Tottenham! :->
    
    	Rick.
33.1538EVERTON 30th April 1994WELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Fri Apr 15 1994 19:4121
    
    
    
       Rick,
    
    
        I will be going up .
       Gavin and myself were discussing a couple of months ago about
    staying up there after the game and making a night of it with all the
    other  listserve members that were going.  That idea seems to have
    caught on and a few are now going to do the same thing...
    
       I'll mail Gav offline and mail you with any details direct..
    
    
     Paul..
    
    p.s.  I wish the Manc game was the last......   :-))))
                        
    
    
33.1539MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Mon Apr 18 1994 12:2411
    
    	Leeds 2 - Totteringham 0
    
    	Well what a goal by Wallace.... just where was the Tottenham
    defence.. I think they'd gone for a pint of Tetley's.. :->>>>
    
    	Tottenham were never in the game... & when they did have a shot it
    was hopelessly wide... not good odds for them staying up...! 
    
    	Rick.	
    
33.1540SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAye KarumbaMon Apr 18 1994 17:538
    
    I'd say that's a very live contender for goal of the season.
    
    Magic Ralph.
    
    Tony
    
    
33.1541MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Mon Apr 25 1994 14:425
    Well if Leeds win on Wednesday then I'll look like this... 
    
    :->
    
    Rick.
33.1542And from Sky's reverse angled camera.. :->MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Mon Apr 25 1994 14:433
    <-:
    
    .kciR
33.1543If Leeds win, Jon will eat my hat !;-)BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Mon Apr 25 1994 14:495
    Rick,
    
    How will you look after you get stuffed ?
    
    Jerry.
33.1544MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Mon Apr 25 1994 15:304
    
    Hey I won't care.... :->
    
    Rick.
33.1545BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Mon Apr 25 1994 18:431
    A true supporter ;-)
33.1546MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Tue Apr 26 1994 13:495
    The D. Express say Eric Cantona is going to have a personal bodyguard
    for the game tomorrow at Elland Road... I hear his name is Chris
    Fairclough! ;->
    
    	Rick.
33.1547Is it Chris or Len.PAKORA::JCRONINWed Apr 27 1994 03:253
    Are you sure, I thought it was Len Fairclough.
    
    
33.1548MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Wed Apr 27 1994 12:493
    I think they are one and the same!!!! ;->
    
    Rick.
33.1549MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Thu Apr 28 1994 12:2512
    Mmmmmmm....
    
    Leeds didn't play that well... but on the other hand Manc were never as
    good as Mr. Green on Radio 5 Dead would have you believe.... it seemed
    a bit of a dull affair after the first 20 minutes... 
    
    :-\
    
    Oh well... looks like ManU have got the championship, unless someone
    else can do the business this weekend... :->
    
    Rick.
33.1550MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Tue May 03 1994 13:039
    Well guys... in this months "The Square Ball" ( a Leeds United Fanzine
    ) it exclusively reveals why Eric Cantona had to leave Leeds... 
    
    I can exclusively reveal that it has something to do with underwear &
    a certain ex-Leeds United Footballers wife! ;->
    
    If any one wants a copy of the page drop me a line...
    
    Rick. 
33.1551BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonTue May 03 1994 13:064
    
    Could we have a copy please.
    
    Jon & Jerry.
33.1552MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Tue May 03 1994 13:073
    Mail me your address & I'll send you a copy.. :->
    
    Rick.
33.1553IRNBRU::HOWARDZulu's....fousands of `emTue May 03 1994 13:301
    I'd love a copy....I'll drop you a line shortly
33.1554PLAYERS PLEASE!!!!!PLUNDR::WADDLEWed May 04 1994 13:092
    
    Who played for Leeds last night ?
33.1555MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Wed May 04 1994 13:166
    I think the team consisted of a series of old age pensioners from one
    of the Leeds council homes! ;->
    
    I'll post them later! :->
    
    Rick.
33.1556MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Mon May 23 1994 21:275
    I hear Rod Wallace won Goal of the Season for his strike against
    Tottenham!!!! :->>>>>
    
    
    Rick.
33.1557wrong, wrong, wrong....IRNBRU::HOWARDNYC,June 18 - ITA 0 - 2 RoITue May 24 1994 13:229
Note 33.1556
    >> I hear Rod Wallace won Goal of the Season for his strike against
    >> Tottenham!!!! :->>>>>
       
    
      I would have given it to Cantona for the volley against Wimbledon,
    with Wallace second and Le Tissier third....
    
    Ray....
33.1558Justice seen to be doneYUPPY::PANESBert Vert - A van for all seasonsTue May 24 1994 13:2612
      <<< Note 33.1557 by IRNBRU::HOWARD "NYC,June 18 - ITA 0 - 2 RoI" >>>
                          -< wrong, wrong, wrong.... >-

       
    
>      I would have given it to Cantona for the volley against Wimbledon,
>    with Wallace second and Le Tissier third....
    
     It was a nice strike by the Frenchman, but we all saw a couple of "reds"
     offside when he hit it.

     Stuart
33.1559Great goals...XSTACY::PHAYDENTue May 24 1994 14:407
Rod's goal was a peach. To have such composure after running the length of the
pitch, to curl the ball so sweetly into the far side of the goal made it my
number one definately.
I agree with those top three of, Cantona , Le Tissier and Wallace,just not the
order.

Peter.
33.1560FanzineGVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyI didn't do it.Tue May 24 1994 16:4925
	A Leeds supporting mate of mine showed me a copy of 'Square Ball' the 
Leeds fanzine.
	Considering the team came 5th in the League, I thought it was reaaly 
out of order the way the mag slagged off nearly every player in the team with 
Newsome, Lukic, and Deane getting the worst treatment. 
	There was even the obligatory 'not as good as Revie' document.

	Anybody else seen it, is it popular with Leeds fans ?

Best bit though.


	Caption: What do you think of the current England team ?
	Mr.Blobby: Blobby Blobby Blobby.

	Caption: ..and Leeds United ?
	Mr.Blobby: Blobby Blobby Blobby.

	Caption: ...and Man. United ?
	Mr.Blobby: Scum Scum.


Ha ha,

Andy
33.1561Escape to Victory?YOUWOT::HOUSENWorld famous brick hypnotistTue May 24 1994 16:5710
Rod Wallace's goal reminded me of Pele's run in the film "Escape to Victory", in
a prisoner of war team against the might of Hitler's Germany. Pele runs more than
half the length of the pitch with the opposition doing their best to not tackle
him.... although for the rest of the gane they kicked anything that moved!

Although Wallace showed great skill... Spurs showed in one clip why they leaked
goals all season.... why didn't anyone try tackling him? or are they trying to
get a part in the remake of the film. ;-)

Norman
33.1562Tackling is OK if you actually tackle something other than air !BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Tue May 24 1994 18:2812
    Norman,
     
    The reason Mr. Wallace got on course towards goal was BECAUSE three
    players committed themselves to tackles at the side line. All three
    missed, and left themselves stranded with Rod cantering off towards
    their goal. Sometimes patience pays off (although not against Andre
    Kanchelskis when he's running across goal ;-) I still can't believe
    that Andy Gray left that out of his 101 Goals programme ! On second
    thoughts, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by anything that Andy Gray
    does !).
    
    Jerry.
33.1563SIOG::ESBECKDec Van EsbeckTue May 24 1994 19:316
    In fairness, you can only score against the team you're playing on the
    day, but giving someone "Goal of the season" for waltzing through the
    Tottenham defence...I ask you. My Granny could do that (and she's been
    dead for 15 years!)
    
    Declan
33.1564MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Tue May 24 1994 20:528
    > re. 'Square Ball'
    
    	I read it all the time... definately a good read!! :->>>
    
    	This was the magazine with Eric Cantona bit in.. which I'm still
    try to get photocopied so that you can see it! :->
    
    	Rick.
33.1565MARVIN::MORRELLHere comes my baby... walking back to meFri Jun 10 1994 13:1815
    Well on Skytext last night it said that Leeds had considered buying
    Brian Laudrup & they had agreed terms etc.. but Leeds pulled out cos
    Howard thought "he wouldn't fit in with Leeds style of play!"
    
    	Whats he on about.... we didn't have a style of play except for
    drawing games...... !!!!!!!!! 
    
    	He would have been a good buy.. and might have encouraged Macca &
    Speedy to stay longer.... I sometimes wonder what Howard is upto...
    after buying Dean... who doesn't fit in with our style of play.. and
    never did.. *Sigh*
    
    	Anyone know of a good manager going spare???
    
    	Rick.
33.1566Or you could wait until October for Lou Macari.))PAKORA::ISUTHERLANDI'll be forever blue...Sun Jun 12 1994 05:103
    
    Tommy McLean has just parted from Motherwell,and i believe a certain
    Mr.Souness is still "actively seeking employment". ;>)
33.1567MARVIN::MORRELLHere comes my baby... walking back to meSun Jun 12 1994 16:169
    Well it said on Teletext that Howard was going to buy two Foreign stars
    in the next few weeks... didn't say who though.. 
    
    >i believe a certain Mr.Souness is still "actively seeking employment"
    
    		I don't think so some how... we'd be back in the first
    division before you could say "Errrrm... I'm a Scouser.. " :->
    
    Rick.
33.156843.00 for the seasonWELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Mon Jun 13 1994 15:5420
    Rick 
    
    What are you doing putting notes in on a sunday you should be down the
    pub !!!
    
    I have got my season ticket application for season 1994-95 and the
    price to me just 43.00 pounds for the whole of the season with a
    seat!!!
    
    Are you planning to go more regularly this season ??. As with last
    season you need a Premier card to be able to get tickets for away
    games.
    
    T-shirts are very good and i think that gav didi a great job and must
    be commended..
    
    
    Bye for now 
    
    Paul...
33.1569SHIPS::EDWARDS_DMon Jun 13 1994 15:586
    re: -1
    
    43 pounds for a season ticket !  Is that because Leeds' season finishes
    at lot earlier than everybody else ?
    
    Dave
33.1570Season Ticket vs Slumber Ticket ;-)BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Mon Jun 13 1994 16:509
    Dave,
    
    You've got the reason wrong. The basic Leeds season ticket cost just 43
    pounds. If, however, you decide to sign on for the optional "sleeping
    bag and pillow" package (as most Leeds fans do), the price goes up to
    285 pounds per ticket. This package is apparently especially popular
    with the region's insomniacs !
    
    Jerry.
33.1571BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonMon Jun 13 1994 18:256
    
    Give us all a break Jerry. I think its not a bad deal. 43 quid to watch
    21 home games. How much do they pay you to go and watch their away
    games?? 8-)
    
    JBG
33.157243 quid ?!??#$@#UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnMon Jun 13 1994 18:4314
    >I have got my season ticket application for season 1994-95 and the
    >price to me just 43.00 pounds for the whole of the season with a
    >seat!!!
    
    Paul,
    
    How come so cheap? Are Leeds giving discounts for long serving
    (suffering?) supporters who get a season ticket no matter what. If so
    then it's something that all clubs should adopt instead of letting the
    fair weather fans come and go whilst still charging the regulars the
    same amount.
    
    Paul.
    
33.1573Bargain mateWELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Mon Jun 13 1994 20:3132
    
    
    O.K. here's the deal...
    
    A couple of years ago when all that infamous bond talk was about
    at the Arse and West Ham, Leeds brought in their own scheme to finance
    the builing of the new East stand (6 million).
    
    You could buy a bond for 500.00 pounds either in one lump sum or over a 
    year by direct debit.
    Once the bond was bought this would entitle you to 100 pounds of the
    price of your season ticket each year for the next seven years, that is
    700 pounds back to you.
    
    As my season ticket a year before the scheme was in the East stand terrace
    Leeds said that they would hold the price for season tickets which was 
    140 pounds.
    So the price for my ticket last year was 140 minus 100=40 pounds.
    The ticket will be that 140+ inflation this year ie. 140+ a little = 3
    pounds, next year it will be the same again.
    
    If you buy a ticket without a bond then yes it will cost you 280 odd quid,
    but buying this every yearwill soon outweight the price you payed for
    the bond!!
    Also you can sell it on if you wish,it gets you discount in the
    club shop and priority over other fans when buying tickets etc.
    
    Suffice to say that not all Bonds have to rip the fan off.
    'nuf said....
    
    Paul
    
33.1574MARVIN::MORRELLHere comes my baby... walking back to meMon Jun 13 1994 21:0518
    >What are you doing putting notes in on a sunday you should be down the
    >pub !!!
    
	Its a long story... & I'll tell you some time if I'm still at DEC
    by the end of the week! :->
    
    	>Are you planning to go more regularly this season ??.
    
    		Yep.. I've sent off for my Premier card to enable me to get
    tickets for away games.... so I should be there mroe often.. can't wait
    to see Leeds whip the Arse... :->>>
    
    	>T-shirts are very good and i think that gav didi a great job and
    must be commended..
    
    	An exceptional set of T-Shirts... the business... :->
    
    Rick.
33.1575JONPC1::ButtonJon Button @REOThu Jun 30 1994 19:344
33.1576You can bet your bottom dollar it's worse!!!MARVIN::MORRELLHere comes my baby... walking back to meThu Jun 30 1994 20:236
    No.. it can't be true... he's crap!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Oh please God say its not true.. is this an even bigger mistake than
    signing Brian Deane!!!!!
    
    Rick
33.1577EASE::SMYTHThu Jun 30 1994 20:4911
Whats Wilkinson up to.
Sold newsome to norwich for 1 mill then goes and spends 2.6 mill on Palmer who
is equally as bad.

He may be thinking of playing Palmer in midfield instead of chris fairclough????
with the latter reverting to his old defensive role.

What is the story with Dave O'Leary ????


GS in Dublin
33.1578Carlton, 35' turning circle & poor visibilityWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Jun 30 1994 21:2212
33.1579PETRUS::GUEST_NAn innocent passer-byFri Jul 01 1994 15:363
    
    Do i not like that...
    
33.1580ADDULT::ROBERTSONFri Jul 01 1994 17:221
AAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
33.1581Central defenceMUGGER::NORTHFri Jul 01 1994 21:315
    My paper says Palmers been bought to play in defence and Palmers happy
    about that cos he gets to play in the same position all the time. In
    the reserves probably:>
    
    
33.1582Nigel Worthington ?????EASE::SMYTHMon Jul 04 1994 14:2313
Heard a rumor that Leeds are trying to by Worthington from Wednesday for 250,000
pounds.  This sounds as if Tony Dorigo must be injured or has no future at Leeds
?????

Bad move by Howard as Worthington is a short term replacement at 32. Leeds have
a couple of ageing players in Strachan, Lukic and Mc Allister so would he not be
better advised going for someone who is young and capable like replacing
Strachan with McAteer from Bolton who has formed a good partnership with Kelly
the right back for Ireland during the world cup.

My Thoughts

GS in Dublin
33.1584BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonMon Jul 04 1994 14:554
    
    GS, do you usually think everything twice??
    
    8-) JBG in Bern 
33.1586Sorry it has now been deleted. But what about the rumourEASE::SMYTHMon Jul 04 1994 15:130
33.1587Imagine, we could have bought B. Roy for less money than Carlton! :-<MARVIN::MORRELLHere comes my baby... walking back to meTue Jul 05 1994 12:205
    Anyone know what Wilko is upto... he's got us Leeds fans total bemused!
    
    Trevor Francis must be laughing all the way to the bank!!
    
    Rick
33.1588You've got Carlton Palmer, he smokes marijuana, naUPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnTue Jul 05 1994 12:5735
    Rick,
    
    > -< Imagine, we could have bought B. Roy for less money than Carlton >-

    You're right there but I think even Carlton would have scored the
    sitter that Roy missed last night. 
    
    >Anyone know what Wilko is upto... he's got us Leeds fans total bemused!
    
    Seriously though, Palmer shoulldn't be judged on his England
    performances, especially the match where Taylor seemed to put him in as
    a direct replacement for Gazza (against the Dutch I think).  For
    Wednesday he's been a good player over the years who can run with the
    ball, tackle and, when he feels in the mood, make a decent pass. As
    I've said before he can do the job Batty did at Leeds but moreover can
    be put in central defence and even in attack (he did this at Hillsboro'
    last season and scored a few goals)
    
    Before Mr Green gets his soapbox out I'll say that Batty has improved
    at Blackburn which does suggest that Wilkinson was restricting him to a
    more defensive role. If Wilko has bought Palmer as a defender, which he
    always said he didn't want to do for Wednesday, then I don;t think he's
    getting the best from him. This could be another instance of Wilkinson
    putting someone in a certain position and forcing them into playing in
    a certain manner. Batty said when he left that he felt constrained by
    the way he was asked to play and wanted to develop the creative side of
    his game and I think Deane would perform a lot better if he wasn't
    being used as a target man.
    
    >Trevor Francis must be laughing all the way to the bank!!
    
    Probably! I think 2.6 M is too much to pay but we payed more for Sinton
    so don't think yourselves too badly done by.
    
    Paul.
33.1589YUPPY::PANESTonight, Matthew, I am going to be Fruit BatTue Jul 05 1994 13:0213
     <<< Note 33.1588 by UPROAR::LEMP "We danced the Lumbago till dawn" >>>
            -< You've got Carlton Palmer, he smokes marijuana, na >-

>    a certain manner. Batty said when he left that he felt constrained by
>    the way he was asked to play and wanted to develop the creative side of
>    his game 
   
     Pass the glue!

  Stuart

  BTW Nigel Worthington has signed for Leeds. It is, apparently,the 47th
      time in his career that he has joined "Wilko". 
33.1590I see clouds on the horizonPETRUS::GUEST_NAn innocent passer-byTue Jul 05 1994 13:2814
    
    re .1588
    
    You may be right about Carlton being better than his reputation.  The
    problem is that he has such a credibility gap that when he has a bad game
    the knives will come out (for him and Howard).
    
    To be honest, the names signed so far don't inspire much confidence
    for the new season.  
    
    How much money did Howard have to spend ?  And how much has he got left
    ?
    
    Nigel
33.1591Dean SaundersEASE::SMYTHTue Jul 05 1994 13:379
Apparently Leeds have approached Villa about the possibility of bringing
Saunders to Elland rd fee offered by Wilkinson is 1.5mill for a player who has
just turned 30, but then again he can score goals something that Brian Deane
cannot.
I think that Atkinson would happily take the money as he is after Nii Lamptey a
Ghanian forward who plays in Holland.


GS in Dublin
33.1592FORTY2::FOWLERMResonate some understandingTue Jul 05 1994 14:015
If Leeds buy Saunders, I'll be a happy man. He scored hatfuls of goals in his
first couple of games for Villa and then hasn't scored since. It's going to be a
strange Villa team though if we lose Deano and Daliano.

Mike
33.1593If Batty was from Lancs he'd be God.WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Jul 05 1994 14:3714
    I think Wilko's strategy is based on buying now for the latter half 
    of the season. Palmer and Worthington are the kind of guts and 
    experience players you would buy to scrap your way out of relegation.
    
    Does anyone have a list of Leeds transfer dealings since the
    championship ? Has he made any good moves since then ? (apart from selling
    Newsome).
    
    Or maybe theres some real good young talent about to break through the
    ranks at Leeds and these guys are going there as coaches ?
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
33.1594UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnTue Jul 05 1994 16:5116
    Bit of a dilemma here! I'd like Palmer to do well because I think he's
    taken a lot of unjustified criticism and, as a Wednesday supporter,
    have seen what he can really do (when he wants to). On the other hand
    I'd like him to be crap because he's gone to Leeds (semi-smiley).
    
    I think he got a chip on his shoulder, again unjustifiably, when he
    started getting picked for England, and I wouldn't be suprised if he
    wasn't getting on with the other team members at Hillsboro'. Now that
    Hyde has come through I'm not surprised that he's gone, just the
    destination - Ron "Bojangles" Atkinson has been after him for a while
    now.
    
    BTW Andy, your rod and line are showing over the bank.
    
    Paul.
    
33.1595A big one's hard to hide Paul ;-)WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenTue Jul 05 1994 16:541
    
33.1596pleaseFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandFri Jul 08 1994 21:335
    
    please can someone post the fixture list for 94/95, or mail me.
    
    Thanks
    SteveP
33.1597Leeds Buy SkuhravyEASE::SMYTHWed Jul 13 1994 13:518
Leeds confirmed that they are close to buying the Genoa striker. Cost 3 million

Deane appears to be going to Sheffield Wednesday as Francis still thinks he is a
good player, for a knock down price from the terrible fee of 2.7 mill.  Compare
Deane to Cantona who we bought for 1 mill. 


GS in Dublin
33.1598MARVIN::MORRELLHere comes my baby... walking back to meWed Jul 13 1994 20:294
    Well lets hope that Skuhravy does the business... cos Deane certainly
    didn't... How much are they going to offer for Deane?
    
    	Rick.
33.1599pleaseFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandThu Jul 21 1994 20:287
    
    Oh come on lads,
    
    Please can I have a fixtures list.  All you get in Scotland is Rangers
    or someone moaning about Rangers.
    
    SteveP
33.1600x00 wahay!SUBURB::ABSOLOMTLet them eat fishThu Jul 21 1994 21:046
    
    Cheers steve.
    
    Tone
    
    
33.1601bad boyFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandThu Jul 21 1994 21:3110
    
    Dear Tony,
    
    	The Leeds note is a haven for sporting debate not some plaything
    set up so that overgrown school children can spend time replies that
    give them a girly feeling.
    
    SteveP
    
    p.s. you are a poo-poo head and Man-u are sad bunch of whiffy farts.
33.1602MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Sun Jul 24 1994 20:3328
    Ok.. here goes the first half of the season.. :->
    
    20/8/94	West Ham vs Leeds.
    23/8/95     Leeds vs The Arse.
    27/8/94     Leeds vs Chelsea
    10/9/94     Leeds vs S*um
    17/9/94     Coventry vs Leeds
    24/9/94     Sheff Wed vs Leeds
    1/10/94     Leeds vs Man City
    8/10/94     Norwich vs Leeds
    15/10/94    Leeds vs Tottenham... ( Home Win.. :->>> )
    22/10/94    Leeds vs Leicester
    29/10/94    Southampton vs Leeds
    1/11/94	Ipswich vs Leeds
    5/11/94     Leeds vs The Wombles...
    19/11/94	QPR vs Leeds
    26/11/94    Notts Forest vs Leeds
    3/12/94	Everton vs Leeds
    10/12/94	Leeds vs West Ham
    17/12/94	The Arse vs Leeds
    26/12/94	Leeds vs Blackburn
    27/12/94	Battyburn vs Leeds
    31/12/94    Scouserpool vs Leeds...
    
    	Those the games I hav written down on my calendar & I think they
    are correct.. :->
    
    	Rick.
33.1603another max points for the F.E'sYUPPY::PANESRoberto Baggio: the new Diana RossMon Jul 25 1994 12:284
I take it that in order to spare any embarrasment Leeds( Leeds Leeds ) have
decided to keep the game against the Palace ( 30/8/94 ) quiet. 

Stuart
33.1604MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Mon Jul 25 1994 12:386
    I was trying to copy them from the D. Express but their table was just
    too hard to read!
    
    I thought CP weren't worth mentioning as its already a win! :->
    
    	Rick.
33.1605Get a grip manWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Jul 25 1994 12:434
    Rick,
    
    Blackburn are playing Man City on the 26-12-94. If Leeds want to join
    in as well I'm sure City will be glad of the help !
33.1606MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Mon Jul 25 1994 12:454
    Like I say.. these are teh ones that I wrote down.. before I accidently
    throw the paper away! :->>>
    
    Rick.
33.1607PAVONE::TURNERFri Aug 05 1994 16:173
    Pre-season friendly:
    
    Ascoli (Italy) 0  Leeds 2
33.1608Look out for Masinga during the upcoming seasonXSTACY::JLUNDON&lt;A HREF=&quot;http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/personal/james/home.html&quot;&gt;Wed Aug 10 1994 16:0510
Our new S. African signing P. Masinga is scoring freely in Leeds' pre-season
friendlies so he might be worth a few quid if you are betting on the season's
top scorers.

Leeds are in Ireland on Saturday to play a friendly against Shels.  It's hoped
to have a Leeds United Internet Mailing List meet after the match.  The venue
will be the "Cat and Cage", after the match.  The group will be recognised as
they will all be wearing Leeds mailing list T-shirts.

                              James.
33.1609leeds 1-2 RangersREOELF::MACKENZIEDThu Aug 11 1994 19:027
    In search of some information :
    Can any leeds fans tell me how many goals Gary Mcallister scored last
    season ? 
    This information would me much appreciated !
    
    cheers
    
33.1610They're Oot again ! MASALA::JJACKEveryone's gotta be an AEK loverThu Aug 11 1994 19:427
    
    I don't know the exact figure, but it was definately more than rangers
    scored in Athens last night.
    
    8*)
    
    
33.1611full fixture posting?FAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandThu Aug 11 1994 21:105
    
    He scored 9 in the league. I dont know if he got any in other
    competitions.
    
    SteveP
33.1612Leeds United Fixture listMARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Sun Aug 14 1994 18:2755
    Ok... here is a list of fixtures for the year I think it is complete... :->
    
    
    	Teams			Date		Score		Scorers
    
    West Ham vs Leeds           20th Aug                       
    Leeds vs Arsenal            23rd Aug
    Leeds vs Chelsea            27th Aug
    Palace vs Leeds             30th Aug
    Leeds vs Man Utd            11th Sep
    Coventry vs Leeds           17th Sep
    Sheff Wed vs Leeds          26th Sep
    Leeds vs Man City           1st  Oct
    Norwich vs Leeds            8th  Oct
    Leeds vs Tottenham          15th Oct
    Leeds vs Leicester          22nd Oct
    S'hmpton vs Leeds           29th Oct
    Ipswich vs Leeds            1st  Nov
    Leeds vs Wimbledon          5th  Nov
    Leeds vs Forest             26th Nov
    QPR vs Leeds                19th Nov
    Everton vs Leeds            5th  Dec
    Leeds vs West Ham           10th Dec
    Arsenal vs Leeds 		17th Dec
    Leeds vs Newcastle          26th Dec
    Blackburn vs Leeds          28th Dec
    Leeds vs Liverpool          31st Dec
    Aston Villa vs Leeds        2nd  Jan
    Leeds vs S'hmpton           14th Jan
    Leicester vs Leeds          21st Jan
    Leeds vs QPR                24th Jan
    Wimbledon vs Leeds          4th  Feb
    Leeds vs Ipswich            11th Feb
    Forest vs Leeds             18th Feb
    Leeds vs Everton            21st Feb
    Man City vs Leeds           25th Feb
    Leeds vs Sheff Wed          4th  Mar
    Leeds vs Palace             7th  Mar 
    Chelsea vs Leeds            11th Mar
    Leeds vs Coventry           18th Mar
    Man Utd vs Leeds            1st  Apr
    Liverpool vs Leeds          8th  Apr
    Leeds vs Blackburn          15th Apr
    Newcastle vs Leeds          17th Apr
    Leeds vs Aston Villa        29th Apr
    Leeds vs Norwich            6th  May
    Tottenham vs Leeds          13th May

    
    The following games involving Leeds United will appear on Sky Sports :
    
    	Sunday 11th Sept :		Leeds vs Man Utd
    	Monday 26th Sept :		Sheff Wed vs Leeds
    	Monday 5th  Dec  :		Everton vs Leeds
    
33.1613IRNBRU::HOWARDJune18-94, the Italian JobMon Aug 15 1994 13:197
    friendly result from Saturday in Dublin....
    
    Shelbourne 0 - 6 Leeds....
    
    I believe that Leeds had their full first-team squad playing....
    
    Ray....
33.16145 daysFAILTE::PAGESLost in ScotlandMon Aug 15 1994 13:236
    
    .1612
    
    Thanks for the list. I will take this with me as this is my last week.
    
    SteveP
33.1615Tickets Available for West Ham Vs LeedsFERGIE::QUINLESSMartin Quinless Digital ConsultingThu Aug 18 1994 17:4013
    Fellow Leeds Fans
    
    There is a possibility that I will have two tickets for the game
    against West Ham on Saturday. Is anyone interested? Hopefully I will
    get them tonight. Assuming they materialise I am happy to arrange
    for them to go to anyone who is interested as soon as I get in tomorrow
    morning. 
    
    Anyone interested please send me a mail to FERGIE::QUINLESS.
    
    Leeds Leeds Leeds
    
    Martin Q
33.1616Thanks for the tickets Martin.. :->MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Sun Aug 21 1994 21:0472
    
    Well all I can say is that I'm glad I got free tickets to go &  see
    this game.... cos I wouldn't have paid 18 quid ( the price of the 
    ticket I was given ).. I wouldn't have paid 8 quid it was that bad..
    I'm  sure there must have been GM Vauxhall games which were better than
    this  one! 
    
    	What made it even worse was sitting with a load of West Ham fans 
    who were either singing 
    
    		" I'm for ever blowing bubbles..."
    
    	 in their worst cockney accents.., or shouting...
    
    		"Come on West Haaamm....."
    
    	I haven't quite decided which was worse!! :->
    
    The first half was terrible.... Leeds & West Ham were as bad as  each
    other... there was only two good chances.. one to West Ham where  Lukic
    managed to push it round the post.. & the other to David White  where
    he headed it straight to the West Ham goal keeper!! Apart from  those
    real chances it was just a rubbish... The Second half Leeds were on 
    top.. but they just failed to finish... David "cheeky chappy" White's 
    attempted chip over the West Ham goalkeeper was the closest they came
    to  scoring... how it missed I will never know! :->>>> There was one
    other  clear cut attempt where the ball just seemed to bounce around
    the penalty  area but just would not cross the line... but the West Ham
    defence were  saved on this occasion by their ace defender " Brian
    Deane " heading the  ball just wide!!! ;-> 
    
    	Leeds looked liked they needed more practice.. they looked like 
    they could be a good team but the understanding isn't quite there yet.. 
    but it is still only early in the season.. :->
    
    	Lukic looked as dodgy as ever kicking the back passes out... I 
    say brink back Mark Beaney,  Carlton & Worthington looked quite 
    comfortable at the back.. Kelly was out of this world.. his crossing is 
    getting better by the day.. it looks like this guy can do no wrong..
    ;-> 
    
    The only thing to say about the back four is that they liked to pass it 
    around the penalty area rather too much for my liking.. while that may
    be  preferable to hoofing it up the field and letting the opposition
    attack  again, it was giving me a near heart attack...  *:->
    
    McAllister & Strachan were very quiet in this game.. and David  White
    was almost invisible.... I didn't know he was on the pitch until he 
    headed the ball to the West Ham goalkeeper... :->
    
    As for the front pair... Brian Deane is ****CRAP****, the  number of
    chances he missed.. I hear that Dougie Laughton is going to  make a bid
    for him in the near future.... some of his shots travelled so  far over
    the post that I thought we were watching Leeds Rugby League club  & not
    Leeds United... if we'd been playing Rugby then we could have won  by
    at least 12 points... :-> The most frequent comments I seemed to make 
    about Deano was....
    
    		"It's just over the bar..." 
    		"Oh.. its just wide of the post..." 
    		"Come back Chapman.. all it forgiven... :->"
    
    
    Wallace was alright but they had him pretty tightly  marked... but
    Alvin Martin should have been sent off after his tackle on  Rod.. and
    we should have had a penalty....
    
    		Overall... I hope its a better match next week for Leeds 
    vs Chelsea... :->
    
    		Rick.
    
33.1617I love it when we win! :->MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Wed Aug 24 1994 12:116
    Well what can I say... :->
    
    
    	WE ARE LEEDS... :->>>>>>
    
    	Rick.
33.1618Thanks GLADYS::CRAVENA McBodybagWed Aug 24 1994 12:282
    Well, what can you say Rick, apart from telling me the bloody score, I
    am adrift in the Pacific with no info....Ica
33.1619MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Wed Aug 24 1994 12:3310
    
    	Well Ica... the score was... 
    
    
    
    	LEEDS 1 - Arsenal 0...
    
    	Bring on Chelsea... we beat them 4-1 last season... :->
    
    	Rick.
33.1620What happened to Strachan?GLADYS::CRAVENA McBodybagWed Aug 24 1994 12:514
    You beauty always good to see Arsenal lose by 1-0.
    I hope you put Chelsea well and truly to the sword on saturday as well.
    
    Ica
33.1621MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Wed Aug 24 1994 12:564
    He pulled his hamstring... so Noel Whelan came on and he scored in the
    89th minute.. :->
    
    Rick.
33.1622be prepared....IRNBRU::HOWARDJune18-94, the Italian JobWed Aug 24 1994 20:3211
    Greetings from note 58.*    I'm planning a trip down to Yorkshire
    next January 21 for the championship decider between Leeds Utd
    and QPR....can some kind soul give me all the info that I might need?,
    ie Ticket hotline number, where or where not to sit, best/worst pubs 
    and nightclubs, nearest Burger King, train station etc....you know the
    kind of stuff....
    
    yours in QPRness....
    
    Ray....
        
33.1623That's all there is to it.UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnWed Aug 24 1994 20:488
    >Greetings from note 58.*    I'm planning a trip down to Yorkshire
    >next January 21 for the championship decider between Leeds Utd
    >and QPR....can some kind soul give me all the info that I might need?,
                **********************************************************
    
    Yes, don't go!
    
    Paul. (from Sheffield).
33.1624MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Wed Aug 24 1994 22:4644
    
    Ticket Hot line number is : (0532) 710710... be prepared to wait if you
    						 do manage to avoid the engaged tone.
    
    A better way of getting a ticket is actually faxing the club on (0532)706560
    including details of what tickets you want... which stand... and your
    credit card details etc..
    
    The best place for away supporters to sit is the Kop... 
    
    
    	No seriously.. your very unlikely to get a good ticket for the kop
    as these have mainly all gone to season ticket holders.... The East
    Stand is very nice.. its the new 2-tier stand... plus theres always the
    old West Stand which has the most expensive tickets... :-> I'd go for
    the East Stand... nice view is you like heights.. :->
    
    	Prices.... These are dependent on how the club depends to catagorise
    the game.. I think these are rough ranges...
    
    
    				Kop     12 - 14 quid
    			East Stand	15 - 17	quid
    			West Stand	18 - 20 quid
    
	
    	Best pubs... well people from the Leeds United mailing list meet up
    in a pub called the Adelphi... so you could meet up with some of us &
    we could escort you down to the game.. making sure you don't get beaten
    up along the way!!! ;->
    
    	Burger King... lots of them in the city centre.. but not too many
    out towards the ground.. :->
    
    	train station... in the centre of the city... it will take you
    about 20 minutes to get their by bus.. and most of the busses leave
    from the city centre... :->
    
    
    	nightclubs.... there are tons of them in the city centre... more
    than be listed in here.. :->
    
    	Rick.
                                  
33.1625In the Coca Cola Cup....MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Thu Aug 25 1994 12:143
    Leeds are playing Mansfield at Elland Road...
    
    Rick.
33.1626Updated Results...MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Sun Sep 11 1994 17:2856
    
    	Teams			Date		Score		Scorers
    
    West Ham vs Leeds           20th Aug        0-0               
    Leeds vs Arsenal            23rd Aug        1-0		Whelan
    Leeds vs Chelsea            27th Aug        2-3		Masinga,
    								Whelan
     Palace vs Leeds             30th Aug       1-2		White,
    								Whelan
    Leeds vs Man Utd            11th Sep
    Coventry vs Leeds           17th Sep
    Sheff Wed vs Leeds          26th Sep
    Leeds vs Man City           1st  Oct
    Norwich vs Leeds            8th  Oct
    Leeds vs Tottenham          15th Oct
    Leeds vs Leicester          22nd Oct
    S'hmpton vs Leeds           29th Oct
    Ipswich vs Leeds            1st  Nov
    Leeds vs Wimbledon          5th  Nov
    Leeds vs Forest             26th Nov
    QPR vs Leeds                19th Nov
    Everton vs Leeds            5th  Dec
    Leeds vs West Ham           10th Dec
    Arsenal vs Leeds 		17th Dec
    Leeds vs Newcastle          26th Dec
    Blackburn vs Leeds          28th Dec
    Leeds vs Liverpool          31st Dec
    Aston Villa vs Leeds        2nd  Jan
    Leeds vs S'hmpton           14th Jan
    Leicester vs Leeds          21st Jan
    Leeds vs QPR                24th Jan
    Wimbledon vs Leeds          4th  Feb
    Leeds vs Ipswich            11th Feb
    Forest vs Leeds             18th Feb
    Leeds vs Everton            21st Feb
    Man City vs Leeds           25th Feb
    Leeds vs Sheff Wed          4th  Mar
    Leeds vs Palace             7th  Mar 
    Chelsea vs Leeds            11th Mar
    Leeds vs Coventry           18th Mar
    Man Utd vs Leeds            1st  Apr
    Liverpool vs Leeds          8th  Apr
    Leeds vs Blackburn          15th Apr
    Newcastle vs Leeds          17th Apr
    Leeds vs Aston Villa        29th Apr
    Leeds vs Norwich            6th  May
    Tottenham vs Leeds          13th May

    
    The following games involving Leeds United will appear on Sky Sports :
    
    	Sunday 11th Sept :		Leeds vs Man Utd
    	Monday 26th Sept :		Sheff Wed vs Leeds
    	Monday 5th  Dec  :		Everton vs Leeds
    
    
33.1627Man Utd = 3rd best United in premier ?GIDDAY::PARSONSWhich Space Corps Directive ?Mon Sep 12 1994 05:3915
    
    Leeds United  2  Man Utd   1
    
    Wetherell        Ooh Ahh penalty
    Deane!!!
    
    Amazing, Leeds' first win over Man Utd since 1066 (or something 
    like that).
    
    Of course Man Utd aren't bothering with domestic competitions this
    season so they played their reserve team (valued at 145.65 million)
    and only played Cantona to boost the attendence and rotten fruit
    sales around Elland Road.
    
    :-)
33.1628How sweet it is...XSTACY::JLUNDON&lt;A HREF=&quot;http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/personal/james/home.html&quot;&gt;Mon Sep 12 1994 13:4149
Those lying, cheating, foul-mouthed MUFCs were crushed yesterday at
a pristine looking Elland Road.  Leeds fairly and squarely crushed the
MUFC, no matter what you might have heard to the contrary.  Did you
know that they were playing with an extra player -- the referee? 

I could not believe some of the yellow cards he gave to Leeds
players yesterday with Cantona getting away with probably the most
malicious foul of all, right underneath the eye of the referee.  As
for Hughes, Ince, and Cantona giving lip almost with every decision
that went against then, which yesterday was few, how come none of them
were booked? 

Did the referee talk to Sky afterwards BTW?  I bet you, he did in his
backside, for then he'd have to explain how he contrived to give the
MUFC probably the most outlandishly bad penalty of the season, for a
foul that was so blatantly outside the box it wasn't true.  Deane
started the tackle on Itch (Ince) practically on the half way line. 

Wilko must take a lot of credit for this one as he set out his stall 
early on looking for the three points.  I thought I never see the day
when we'd have Maginga, Deane, Wallace *and* Masinga all on the same
team on the same day against a team of the _quality_ of the MUFC.  Of
course, the MUFC are now saying that Leeds caught them on a bad day.
Is that what they say when the lose a game, just being bad losers as
we've come to expect?  Maybe they were beaten by a better team who
also looked ravenous for a result.  The MUFC on the other hand never
really got to grips with Leeds and were only let into the game by
extremely poor refereeing decisions.  Maybe the MUFC have started to
believe the absolute shitte that is emanating from the media about how
great they are (not!). 

The MUFC deserved nothing less than a two goal defeat and only for the
referee they would have got what they deserved.  It made me mad to
hear a tosser called Smith reporting on the game for RTE radio comment
that the MUFC were unlucky not to secure a result from the game.  He,
of course, forgot to mention some pertinent facts like the diabolical
referee, the many chances that Leeds spurned, the absolute anonymity of
both Hughes, Cantona, and Ince upto the last 10 minutes, the positive
tactics of Wilko going for the result, and the brilliant Leeds crowd
who drove the lads on. 

Last but not least to all MUFC fans out there: take the result like
men.  We've been on the receiving end of a lot of bad results versus
you over the past four years.  Some of these games we should have won
but didn't, some others we didn't deserve to win, but at least I hope
we were men enough to take our beating.  Do the same now and prove ye
aren't just fair weather fans. 

Finally, just one thing: 2-1 with lots of love.
33.1629Take that boulder of your shoulder mate !MASALA::JJACKThere it's !!!Mon Sep 12 1994 13:514
    
    I've heard of bad losers, but never bad winners !!
    
    
33.1630Updated Results... :->>>>>MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Mon Sep 12 1994 14:3558
    
    	Teams			Date		Score		Scorers
    
    West Ham vs Leeds           20th Aug        0-0               
    Leeds vs Arsenal            23rd Aug        1-0		Whelan
    Leeds vs Chelsea            27th Aug        2-3		Masinga,
    								Whelan
    Palace vs Leeds             30th Aug        1-2		White,
    								Whelan
    Leeds vs Man Utd            11th Sep	2-1		Whetherall, 
    								Deane
    Coventry vs Leeds           17th Sep
    Sheff Wed vs Leeds          26th Sep
    Leeds vs Man City           1st  Oct
    Norwich vs Leeds            8th  Oct
    Leeds vs Tottenham          15th Oct
    Leeds vs Leicester          22nd Oct
    S'hmpton vs Leeds           29th Oct
    Ipswich vs Leeds            1st  Nov
    Leeds vs Wimbledon          5th  Nov
    Leeds vs Forest             26th Nov
    QPR vs Leeds                19th Nov
    Everton vs Leeds            5th  Dec
    Leeds vs West Ham           10th Dec
    Arsenal vs Leeds 		17th Dec
    Leeds vs Newcastle          26th Dec
    Blackburn vs Leeds          28th Dec
    Leeds vs Liverpool          31st Dec
    Aston Villa vs Leeds        2nd  Jan
    Leeds vs S'hmpton           14th Jan
    Leicester vs Leeds          21st Jan
    Leeds vs QPR                24th Jan
    Wimbledon vs Leeds          4th  Feb
    Leeds vs Ipswich            11th Feb
    Forest vs Leeds             18th Feb
    Leeds vs Everton            21st Feb
    Man City vs Leeds           25th Feb
    Leeds vs Sheff Wed          4th  Mar
    Leeds vs Palace             7th  Mar 
    Chelsea vs Leeds            11th Mar
    Leeds vs Coventry           18th Mar
    Man Utd vs Leeds            1st  Apr
    Liverpool vs Leeds          8th  Apr
    Leeds vs Blackburn          15th Apr
    Newcastle vs Leeds          17th Apr
    Leeds vs Aston Villa        29th Apr
    Leeds vs Norwich            6th  May
    Tottenham vs Leeds          13th May

    
    The following games involving Leeds United will appear on Sky Sports :
    
    	Sunday 11th Sept :		Leeds vs Man Utd
    	Monday 26th Sept :		Sheff Wed vs Leeds
    	Monday 5th  Dec  :		Everton vs Leeds
    
    
    
33.1631GENIE::GOODEJMon Sep 12 1994 14:515
    
    Carlton Palmer played an absolute cracker yesterday. He was definitely
    my MOTM.
    
    JBG
33.1632A victory over manu at last...COMICS::LINDLEYMon Sep 12 1994 15:1916
    The ref was interviewed on Sky later on, and did say he might have made
    a mistake with the penalty decision. At least he had the guts to say
    that. Unfortuately for me that decision ruined the game after that, as
    Leeds started to look nervous and Manu though they were going to get
    something out of the game after all, which of course they didn't
    deserve.
    
    The decision not to book Cantona I think, was made as the commentary 
    team said, was because it was Cantona and the ref wanted to take the
    heat out of the situation. Was other reason was there ? It was terrible
    tackle...!! Don't you just love the "who me, ref ?" expression
    afterwards....
    
    Anyway, the right result at the end, and an enjoyable match.
    
    Brian
33.1633Feeling better?PAVONE::TURNERMon Sep 12 1994 15:375
    re: .1628
    Oh well, James, I guess Leeds' victory just wasn't enough to cancel
    that terrible Monday morning feeling ;-)
    
    Er...it *is* only a game, innit?
33.1634Another CunnoESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Mon Sep 12 1994 17:3313
33.1635GENIE::GOODEJMon Sep 12 1994 17:4111
    
    Brain,
    
    	I think you're being a little hard on the Leeds players &
    supporters. I mean its not every week they win against the likes of
    Manchester United....13 years ago was the last time wasn't it? So,
    its hardly surprising they want to celebrate is it? Let them bask in
    the glory of it awhile, after all, it could be another 13 years before
    they do it again! 8-)
    
    JBG
33.1636IRNBRU::HOWARDJune18-94, the Italian JobMon Sep 12 1994 17:587
    ah come on Brian,
    
    at least let James have bragging rights for a couple of days, 
    
    Ray....
    
    ps....up the R's
33.1637Cunno would turn over in his groveISEPUB::CHAMPOLLIONCan-tas-ticMon Sep 12 1994 18:039
33.1638Fair play is good funXSTACY::JLUNDON&lt;A HREF=&quot;http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/personal/james/home.html&quot;&gt;Mon Sep 12 1994 19:1028
re -last few

I cannot believe that Cantona wasn't booked yesterday for that two
footed tackle.  I wonder if it had been a Leeds player than went in
feet first would he have gotten off so lightly?  No bloody way.  For
instance look at the tackles Kelly and the other got booked for? 
Deane got booked for telling the referee that it wasn't a penalty
while Hughes has on occasion literally gone down referees' throats
when a decision has gone against him, without censure.  He was at it 
again yesterday.  Fair play is good fun I say and United got more than
their fair share yesterday but Leeds still came up trumps. 

The referee made a terrible decision giving the penalty which
undoubtedly let United back in the game.  We were looking very
comfortable at the time and as a result had to hold out for the last
15 minutes.  They, as you rightly said, Brian didn't deserve to be
within two goals of Leeds at the end.  I just think the media can't
see beyond their noses when in come to United while Leeds invariably
got lashed for practically everything they do. 

In conclusion I think I've a lot to crow about as it's not that often
that Leeds have the luck go against them and still win, especially
when it comes to United.  Remember Pallister literally sticking
Chapman to the post a few years back in an FA cup tie?  Leeds is
gelling together well and I have high hopes for this season if we can
keep the momentum up. 

                          James.
33.1639The Sheep are Singing in the Hills of YorkshireESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Mon Sep 12 1994 21:5816
33.1640The sheep in Galway are singing too...XSTACY::JLUNDON&lt;A HREF=&quot;http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/personal/james/home.html&quot;&gt;Tue Sep 13 1994 14:2826
Brian,

> Take off the tinted glasses, Chapman jumped with Pally went over his shoulders
> and landed breaking his arm. The post was never involved.

Not the way I saw it.  Pallister saw that Chapman was off balance and gave him 
a nudge.  I've seen penalties given for a lot less.

> which if the rules were applied should have seen him get the line.
> Cantona deserved a booking, but that's up to the referee.

So it's OK for Cantona to get away with a full blooded two footed foul/tackle
right in front of the ref and it's not OK from Deane to try for the ball from
behind?  Do you honestly believe that Deane tackled Ince with more malicious
intent than Cantona did on McAllister?  Get real!

BTW: The sheep aren't just singing in Yorkshire, they are singing a happy tune 
in Galway too :-).

I'm enjoying this as it's been on the cards for a long long time.

re .1629

If being a bad winner is my lot in life then I'll happily have it...

                              James.
33.1641BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Tue Sep 13 1994 16:1612
33.1642To really savour victory you first have to stomach defeatXSTACY::JLUNDON&lt;A HREF=&quot;http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/personal/james/home.html&quot;&gt;Tue Sep 13 1994 19:5311
Re -1

It's been a while since our last win, I agree.  Both your points are valid
though!

I see that the excuses for Sunday's debacle include the Man United players being 
tired after international duty on Wednesday.  Of course, there was no mention
of the four Leeds players who each excelled for their respective countries on
the same night. 

                           James.
33.1643General reaction from Leeds mailing listXSTACY::JLUNDON&lt;A HREF=&quot;http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/personal/james/home.html&quot;&gt;Tue Sep 13 1994 20:4936
From:	XSTACY::VBORMC::"tim.kennedy@bj.co.uk" "MAIL-11 Daemon" 13-SEP-1994
16:38:17.16
To:	leeds-united@vax.ox.ac.uk
CC:	
Subj:	Proud to be a Leeds fan

I am proud of my team for the first time in about two
years,  proud to be associated with a team who fought
like tigers for 90 minutes,  outplayed the supposed
superior scum for all but 15 minutes at the end.  Don't
expect a match report chaps,  I am totally incapable of
describing it.  Suffice it to say that I will remember the
game for the rest of my life. 10/10.

I watched the whole thing on Sky and I still don't
believe it.  In today's papers the referee has apologised
for giving the penalty when he admits Ince rolled about
a third of the pitch into the box when he dived.  Cuntona
shouldn't have been on the pitch to take that pen,  he'd 
just hacked Macca and not even got a slap on the wrist for it.

Only one thing...why don't they play like this more 
often?????  I know we have a better squad than before
but still,  it astounds me.  The players said Wilko 
told them to go all out for attack.   

Full marks to the crowd too who put up an unbelievable 
barrage of noise.  And most of all,  thank you to Mrs
Deane for giving birth to her son Brian 25 years ago and 
who just paid off his transfer fee several times over.

I'm just off to the tattoo parlour to tattoo the result 
on my forehead.  All the scum here are avoiding me like 
the plague.  HA!

Tim K.
33.1644MUFC::TONYTue Sep 13 1994 20:576
James,


You're showing yourself up...

Tony
33.1645Seems like some fans can't take their beating!XSTACY::JLUNDON&lt;A HREF=&quot;http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/personal/james/home.html&quot;&gt;Tue Sep 13 1994 20:589
The Leeds United mailing list has just had to take the extraordinary
step of deleting a subscriber.  He is, as you might have guessed, a
MUFC supporter.  He had continued to post abusive and in general
rubbishy messages to the list after repeated warnings that he would be
exterminated if he continued to do so.  It has come to a head since
his team's defeat at the weekend.  Some people just can't take beating 
can they!

                          James.
33.1647Oi Nutter !!!MASALA::JJACKTime for a personal name changeTue Sep 13 1994 22:206
    
    re.lst
    
    Are you after my SET HIDDEN record ?
    
    
33.1648I'm having a bad day OK.XSTACY::PHAYDENTue Sep 13 1994 22:374
Sorry ,I didn't mean to try to beat your record.

Please accept my deepest apologies for any distress this may have caused you ;-)
Peter.
33.1649GENIE::GOODEJWed Sep 14 1994 11:135
    
    James, are you quite sure its just the ManU supporters that are
    avoiding you like the plague???? 8-)
    
    JBG
33.1650EaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasyISEPUB::CHAMPOLLIONCan-tas-ticWed Sep 14 1994 13:284
33.1651GENIE::GOODEJWed Sep 14 1994 13:384
    
    OK JF, I've got the phone in my hand.......now what ??? 8-)
    
    JBG
33.1652Three steps to being a Leeds supporter.XSTACY::PHAYDENWed Sep 14 1994 13:4511
O.K JBG ,

Next step:

Proceed to bang youself on the head with the phone ( very hard ) until you are
semi-conscious and/or brain dead. 
You will soon find yourself agreeing with everything James has written ;-)


Peter.
33.1653GENIE::GOODEJWed Sep 14 1994 13:519
    
    Peter,
    
    	I've now got one hell of a headache.....but I still don't agree
    with everything James said. 8-)
    
    JBG
    
    Ps haven't got a spare handset have you - mines bust!
33.1654OopsXSTACY::JLUNDON&lt;A HREF=&quot;http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/personal/james/home.html&quot;&gt;Wed Sep 14 1994 13:596
Sorry Peter,

I will desist from posting anything that might upset any MUFC supporters in 
this topic.  I admit I might have gone too far.

                            James.
33.1655XSTACY::PHAYDENWed Sep 14 1994 14:0011
Well seeing as you probably had a headache from reading his notes anyway I
wouldn't jump to conclusions and necessarily associate the symptoms with the
banginging the phone on head technique mentioned previously.

There are many Leeds fans who have sucessfully and without complaint lobotomised
themselves utilising this technique.

Don't give up yet. Borrow Jerry's phone and keep going !!!


Dr. Peter. Phd MD Dip.Help Sob.Tsb Mufc etc...
33.1656GENIE::GOODEJWed Sep 14 1994 14:039
    
    Peter,
    
    	talking of Jerry......he hasn't been seen all week.....and its your
    fault! You told me to pass on the message from Una and now he's gone
    into hiding. I don't think I'll be taking you're advice anymore thanks
    a lot. 8-)
    
    JBG
33.1657Dopey CHEFS::STRATFORDSWed Sep 14 1994 19:526
    I read on Ceefax last night that John Lukic had been released from
    hospital after suffering concussion. How the hell did anybody know he
    had suffered concussion? He looks a dopey sod at the best of times...
    
    Quizzical of Highbury
    
33.1658MotM was Palmer by a mile....TRUCKS::SANTcomfortably numb...Wed Sep 14 1994 20:5021
    
    	I take a few days off and miss all the fun in here - typical!!
    
    	Full credit to Leeds for Sunday. We were lucky to still be in the
    	game when the ref gifted us a ridiculous penalty decision. 2-1 was
    	a robbery, we were getting humped about 4-0 at half-time on the
    	balance of the play.
    
    	Cantona did leave his foot in on I think McAllister but the ref did
    	well to diffuse the situation and everyone kept very clam imo... I 
    	don't think baying for Cantona's head on a plate all the time does
    	anyone, least of all yourself, any justice...
    
    	United were not in the game until the last 10 minutes and could
    	have nicked a point. Imagine how you Leeds boys would have felt if
    	that had happened.....
    
    	Enjoy the win, look to the next game. We can take the beating, and
    	we'll be back....
    
    	Andy.
33.1659UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnWed Sep 14 1994 21:0711
    
    What do the Leeds supporters think of Palmer now? Some of the previous
    few notes seem to suggest he's fitted in well.
    
    It's funny how he never wanted to play centre half for Wednesday but
    when Leeds come along he changes his tune. How much are you paying him
    BTW. (disclaimer: these last two sentences are in no way related, or
    intended to be).
    
    Paul.
    
33.166010 x 0 = 0 ;-) But credit where credit is due !BERN01::BOLGERWeather's here,wish U were beautifulWed Sep 14 1994 22:5622
    I'm just here for a brief visit but I have two things to say.
    
    1.  Re Cantona's tackle.
    
    	My respect for Leeds in general, and MacAllister in particular
    increased ten-fold upon seeing his reaction to the challenge. In case
    anyone missed it, he got up took Cantona's hand and helped him off the
    ground and then walked away from the Ref with his arm around Cantona's
    shoulder.  A bit more of this kind of sportsmanship wouldn't go astray
    in any team !
    
    
    2.  Re: Peter's suggestion that JBG should hit himself over the head
    with a telephone until Brain-Dead :
    
    	I fear it's too late, he's been doing a striking impression of a
    decayed cabbage for years now. 
    
    
    
    Jerry.
    
33.1661The Lows after a brief HighESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Thu Sep 22 1994 14:366
33.1662TRUCKS::SANTcomfortably numb...Thu Sep 22 1994 15:394
    
    	I was waiting to read James's account first, Brian.
    
    	Andy.
33.1663Where is Mansfield again.... ??MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Thu Sep 22 1994 17:0710
    Hmmm....
    
    	Looks like Leeds & DEC are in the same boat at the moment.... both
    will have brief highs and long lows this season...
    
    	Its also interesting that DEC has sponsored or provided the
    computers for the new Leeds United score board.. I wonder where all the
    "free" tickets have gone??? ;->
    
    	Rick.
33.1664Groan...XSTACY::JLUNDON&lt;A HREF=&quot;http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/personal/james/home.html&quot;&gt;Thu Sep 22 1994 17:161
Need I say more...
33.1665XSTACY::MDUNPHYJust another Day!!Thu Sep 22 1994 20:111
So that's where the noise is coming from!!!!
33.1666Where are the excuses? CHEFS::STRATFORDSWed Oct 05 1994 11:521
    
33.1667CluelessXSTACY::JLUNDON&lt;A HREF=&quot;http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/personal/james/home.html&quot;&gt;Thu Oct 06 1994 12:106
re .1666

There are none.  We were beaten by a team who knew what they wanted to do, and
did it!  We didn't.  Life goes on ;-(.

                                James.
33.1668Hello? Is there any body in there? Just nod..TRUCKS::SANTFeed me, Seymour!!Thu Oct 27 1994 16:224
    
    	Bit quiet in here lately, lads.
    
    	Andy.
33.1669CHEFS::STRATFORDSThu Oct 27 1994 16:323
    Well they've hardly had a lot to shout about have they? 
    
    Stuart
33.1670Will Leeds ever win a cup game at home?GIDDAY::PARSONSWhich Space Corps Directive ?Fri Oct 28 1994 05:294
    
    Well we've got McAllister under contract until 1999 now which is
    the highlight of the season so far ... plus that home win over
    Manchester_we're_not_bothering_with_anything_except_Europe United
33.1671MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Sun Oct 30 1994 18:379
    >Well they've hardly had a lot to shout about have they? 
    
    	Leeds 2 - Man Utd 1... 
    
        What else is there to shout about... :->
    	
    	Rick.
    
    	
33.1672COMICS::LINDLEYMon Oct 31 1994 20:5818
It's quiet because we are playing crap..... The Mansfield result knocked the 
stuffing out of Leeds.

Anyone see the Leicester game on Sky Sports ? The first 20 minutes seemed to 
be all Leicester. They played well and didn't let Leeds settle. As the game went 
on it got better and a 2-1 win, I felt was about right.

I've heard rumours from Elland Road about Wilko being a bit of an alki. I never 
believed them until the Leicester game after match interview. What the bl**dy
h*ll was Wilkinson on about ? He was p*$$ed..... He looks like going the same 
way as Cloughie......

Saints 1 Leeds 3

A well deserved victory apparently. Pity, I couldn't get a ticket cos it was 
all sold out. Anyone got a match report ?

Brian
33.1673Ipswich 2 - 0 Leeds UnitedGENIE::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Wed Nov 02 1994 12:538
> It's quiet because we are playing crap..... The Mansfield result knocked the 
> stuffing out of Leeds.
    
    What, then, did Ipswich knock out of you last night ?   They seem to be
    pulling off some rather unexpected results this season !
    
    
    Jerry.
33.1674Bogey team....COMICS::LINDLEYWed Nov 02 1994 17:116
Ah, but Jerry, Ipswich is one of Leeds' Bogey teams...

But then so are Mansfield, 
Oxford, 
Sunderland, plus
<some third division teams which knocks us out of the FA cup next January> 
33.1675MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Fri Nov 04 1994 18:133
    Lets hope we draw ManU so we can beat them again.. :->
    
    Rick.
33.1676New Signing !!!SUBURB::RUTHERFORDIAlan Rough's Greatest SlipsTue Nov 08 1994 14:216
    Any response from you Leeds supporters regarding the signing of Martin
    Dahlin for 2.5m ? Who knows, you might start scoring a few goals once
    he arrives !!
    
    
    Ian.
33.1677Is this true?STKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeTue Nov 08 1994 15:1017
    
>    Any response from you Leeds supporters regarding the signing of Martin
>    Dahlin for 2.5m ? Who knows, you might start scoring a few goals once
>    he arrives !!
    
    What!!!
    
    The first I've heard of this. True or wind-up?
    
    If true it must ber good news for Leeds, but from a Swedish perspective
    It's worrying that more and more of our internationals sign for
    English clubs, who have a hard schedule and where the training methods
    seem 30 years behind their time.
    
    Anyway, hoping for the best,
    
    	Stefan
33.1678MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Tue Nov 08 1994 15:539
    Well according to the ever right Super Sun we've just signed him.. plus
    Wilko is out of the country at the moment on "Business".. so it looks
    like we must be going abroad to sign someone... other rumours include
    Ruben Sosa is going to be signed instead of Dahlin...
    
    RHI on the Leeds United Mailing List that the new super striking force
    in English football is going to be Deano & Dahlin... Hmmm! :->
    
    Rick.
33.1679TRUCKS::SANTRelax - I do believe it's working!Tue Nov 08 1994 16:069
    
    	Dahlin and Sosa...now *that* would be something!! Forget the big
    	nugget Dean(o)....he's a cabbage compared to these two.
    
    	Trouble is, how long would it take for Wilkinson(o) to convert
    	these two wonderfully-gifted world-class strikers into no-hopers
    	treading the boards in the English Premier League? 8-)
    
    	Andy.                       
33.1680I bet Alex is just rubbing his hands with glee....MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Tue Nov 08 1994 16:109
        >Trouble is, how long would it take for Wilkinson(o) to convert
        >these two wonderfully-gifted world-class strikers into no-hopers
        >treading the boards in the English Premier League? 8-)
    
    
    	Don't worry about it... we'll then go & sell them onto ManU for
    half the price!! :->
    
    	Rick.
33.1681Dahlin - no newsSTKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeWed Nov 09 1994 11:226
    
    Nothing about Dahlin in the Swedish media. We'll see.
    
    cheers,
    
    	Stefan
33.1682BHAJI::SNEILJ.A.F.OWed Nov 09 1994 13:50116
    Got this on inter-net....thought the leeds fans would enjoy it 
    
    
    ---------------------------------------------------------
   From r.s.s again and directed at a two-bob mob fae Manchester
    
_______________________________________________________________________

Could you support a team in the Pennines of Northern England ? 
Have you got what it takes to Support Leeds, Man City or Trafford 
United ?
Answer these questions to find out

I support my team because
a) I live nearby
b) I live nearby, but wish I didn't
c) I long for European nights, Wembley finals, Lots of media coverage and
   basically my local team is shite.

Five years ago I supported
a) My local team
b) My local team
c) Liverpool

Watching my team
a) Has it's ups and downs
b) Is nothing but downs
c) Is great on my new TV

It's costly supporting my team because
a) we've gone all-seater
b) I keep betting on us at the Ladbrokes booth
c) Away shirts cost a bloody fortune these days

Since the Taylor Report on Safety at Football
a) I've not really noticed much difference
b) We're still playing crap
c) I've fixed a rope ladder to my bedroom window and bought a seatbelt for
   my armchair

To see some action in Europe next year
a) We need to start scoring some goals
b) I've booked a Club Med holiday to Majorca
c) I'll be subscribing to Sky Sports

Keith Gillespie
a) is a blatant homosexual (nothing wrong in that !)
b) will enjoy himself against our defence
c) is on lots of posters on my bedroom wall

The sort of player who I'd like to see playing for us
a) would give 100% every match
b) would never sign in a million years
c) will sign if he's paid enough

Football Violence
a) is on the decline
b) is what I feel like at a quarter to five
c) is throwing your pizza box at the TV set.

Manchester is
a) A stinking slum and thank god I don't live there
b) A stinking slum, but it's home
c) A wonderful, beautiful place that I've never been to

A penalty is usually given
a) for a handball or a foul
b) All too frequently against us
c) When one of our players falls over

Your team narrowly loses the title to your deadliest rivals in a thrilling 
final league game. Do you
a) Say "Never mind, there's always next year"
b) Stone the players coach and cry your eyes out for the next three months
c) Start supporting your deadliest rivals 

Your team wins the title. Do you
a) Celebrate for a day or two then look forward to the following season
b) Wake up. Of course it had to be a dream.
c) Bore the pants off everyone with comparisons of the Brazil team of 1970

RSS is good because
a) I can slag other fans off
b) There are others equally as unfortunate as myself
c) I can display my ignorance to other fairweather fans
 
When I die
a) my ashes will be scattered over our pitch
b) we still won't have won anything
c) nobody will care

Mainly A's - You support Leeds
Mainly B's - You support Man City
Mainly C's - You make me puke
-----------------
Voice of Football





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33.1683WARNUT::PICKERINGSSimon PickeringFri Nov 11 1994 16:011
    re .1680, you got any more like cantona?
33.1684Strachan for Oldham?SAC::MAGUIRE_GFri Nov 11 1994 17:369
    
    Apparently the Oldham fans voted on a phone-in last night on who they
    would like to replace Joe Royle and the dream ticket was Gordon
    Strachan with Andy Ritchie as his assistant. Are there any rumours to
    back up this suggestion in the local press in Leeds or is Strachan
    happy where he is? Does he really eat that many bannans a day?
    
    G.
    
33.1685MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Fri Nov 11 1994 17:384
    Strachan is going to be the coach at Leeds at the end of this season
    with Wilko as teh general manager.. :->
    
    Rick.
33.1686MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Fri Nov 25 1994 12:485
    I see that the FA have come to their senses at last and are playing
    their first Engalnd game outside London for 29 years at Elland Road!
    :->
    
    Rick.
33.1687We'll send the U-21's to give you a chance :-)STKOFF::SPERSSONPas de problemeFri Nov 25 1994 12:536
    
>    I see that the FA have come to their senses at last and are playing
>    their first Engalnd game outside London for 29 years at Elland Road!
>    :->
    
    Yep, against Sweden, in the "pre-Euro-96" competition, June (?) 95
33.1688RTFM1::GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Fri Nov 25 1994 13:006
    
>>              -< We'll send the U-21's to give you a chance :-) >-
    
    	Please no, not if they're part-timers! 8-)
    
    JBG
33.1689Elland Road - The Wembley of t'northREOSV2::STRATFORDSFri Nov 25 1994 13:336
    I thought that the FA were trapped in a deal with Wembley so that all
    England internationals were played on the hallowed turf.
    
    Have they announced ticket prices? 
    
    Stuart
33.1690Wilko out!XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/personal/james/home.htmlTue Dec 06 1994 15:5683
From:	XSTACY::VBORMC::"nigelb@gptcsta.demon.co.uk" "Nigel Barber"  6-DEC-1994
12:46:33.35
To:	leeds-united@vax.ox.ac.uk
CC:	
Subj:	Concentrated doom

Well, what a mess. You know how after any half decent English footy
match at present the pundits always say, "What a great advert for 
English football", in a pathetic attempt to cover up our quite obvious
inferiority. However, tonight you could imagine the foreign pundits
taking the overseas match feed and looking at the camera and saying
smugly, "Well, what a great advert for European football". And guess
what, they would be bloody right.

In short, the result notwithstanding, an awful match; a demonstration
of all that is wrong with English football. A match played at one 
hundred miles per hour and one piece of skill per hour. From a distance
you could imagine two packs of hounds after a fox. In fact, what do I 
mean imagine? It was blue hound pack versus white hound pack, and blue
hand pack won on set pieces. Awful. Thankfully, the pub silenced the
T.V. three seconds after full time, so I was spared Andy Gray's attempt
to convince us that is was a fascinating match. It was not; it was a mad
scrap that brought into sharp relief just how futile our ambitions of
any success this season really are.

The match started off with a bit of White pressure, until what seemed liked
the first Blue corner when the ball went in. In between was lots of mad
scrambling when not very much happened, except the odd yellow card and
display of studs etc. Everytime Everton had a corner there was almost
a goal. I have to admit, Everton's corners were the only bit of quality
in the match. I saw the Merseyside derby the other week and the only
thing that stuck in my mind was how dangerous the blue sides corners
looked. And tonight they were deadly. In truth it was the only significant
difference. In open play it was a formless shambles and Macca's corners
seemed to float in about as fast as a cup final balloon on a light summer
breeze. Even fat old Neville Southall had time to catch them. By contrast
Everton's ones whipped in almost every time; they were trouble, they
decided the match.

So that was the match. Three goals; two headed in from corners, the 
third from a penalty awarded for a blatant Gary Speed handball from 
another corner. So what did we have in reply? Err, give me a few hours
and I might come up with something. Then again I might say the truth
and just say, "Nothing, I'm afraid".

As I watched this on the idiot box in a pub, I will not bother with my 
usual individual player assessments. It will suffice to say that the
team performance was awful. No linkage. No composure. No fire. No skill.
No point. No bloody point in turning up really.

I must admit until now I have been a Wilko agnostic, but I am now a fully
paid up member of the Wilko Out Party. Before the match there were the
interviews with the two opposing managers. Joe Royle gave a standard,
functional one; Wilko simply looked a completely spent force. With his
shorter hair, his pallid skin clinging to his skull-like features, his
every word sounded like a death rattle. It was so depressing, how can
this man, who the Grim Reaper would cross the street to avoid, inspire 
and motivate a team to win a trophy. When asked why we had lost so many
away games he resorted to an old Clougie chestnut by saying we had
scored less goals than the opposition. Painful. The sooner the devil
claims his own the better.

If Old Nick does not do us a favour, junking Wilko will be a very 
expensive business, as he signed a contract last year that lasts until
just before Judgement Day (am I being apocalyptic tonight or what?).
 
I am sure there are still a few Wilko fans out there who will say
how ungrateful we are etc. - was he not the man who rescued us from
our Second Division nightmare? Indeed us he was, but that is no reason
to deify the bloke. I think a good analogy would be Winston Churchill
and the Tories after World War II - "Thanks for winning the war,
making all those super speeches and V signs etc. Winston, now bugger
off, we have a country to run."

As I now see it (through slowly sobering eyes) we need a new manager. We
need zest. We need a right old kick up the backside. We need a bloody
miracle. 

Yours,
      Nigel Barber. 

P.S. Happy Christmas everyone! (Always sweeten the bad medicine with a bit
of sugar eh?).
33.1691UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnTue Dec 06 1994 16:549
    What a bunch of ungrateful gits. Wasn't it only last night that the
    commentator told us that Noel Whelan has been named this months most
    promising youngster in Yorkshire. What more do you lot want.....
    
    Paul.
    
    BTW on a more serious note, any more news about Wilko being on the
    sauce or was that just a vicious rumour?
    
33.1692Wilko is on the way out?XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/personal/james/home.htmlWed Dec 07 1994 12:5322
Paul,

I've no problems with either Deane or Whelan at the moment.  They are 
both playing as well as can be expected given the service they are 
getting from their midfield support.  What I personally have problems
with is the manager and his attitude towards team morale, selection,
and tactics.  He has been constantly outwitted away from home this
season and has seemingly refused to try and rectify the situation. His
continued faith with Wallace and Speed is to say the least mystifying
and at worst downright criminal.  Neither player on Monday night
seemed to have the appetite or the enthusiasm to play for the team.  I
think both deserve to be "rested". 

In the mailing list the manager is getting a lot of stick, rightly so,
for many of his failings.  He is primarily being got at for his lack
of tactics vis a vis away form and his failure to motivate the players
to do the job for him. 

Leeds at the moment are listless and most of us are pointing the
finger at the manager, rightly or wrongly. 

                          James.
33.1693UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnWed Dec 07 1994 13:2010
    James,
    
    It's pretty much the same situation about 30 miles down the M1. Some of
    the selections have been a complete mystery and the natives are getting
    restless. Mind you, in The Year Of The Managerial Boot it wouldn't
    surprise me if there are a few more casualties. Wilkinson and Francis
    spring to mind. Also a certain Scotsman may be shown the door if a
    motley crew of part-time kebab salesmen can beat the WBC tonight.
    
    Paul.
33.1694Not winning EC <> Premiership mid-table !GENIE::BOLGERFunny Scotty,now beam down my clothes!Wed Dec 07 1994 14:2830
    Paul,
    
    Regardless of tonight's results I can't see Mr. Ferguson getting the
    sack. The fact remains that he has helped his team bring home the last
    two Premiership titles and an FA Cup. United are currently lying in
    second position 1 point off the pace in spite of the enforced team
    instability due to injuries and suspensions (which I know every team
    goes through occasionally, it's just that it's our turn now !).
    
    I accept fully that Fergie has made serious errors of judgement in some
    of his team selections, but then if he could pick "Schmeichel Parker
    Bruce Pallister Irwin Kanchelskis Ince Keane Giggs Cantona and Hughes"
    in every game and they were all on top form then anyone could do the
    job.  With the injury problems at the moment, the experience gained by
    the youngsters in the CCC is proving very valuable (hopefully, it will
    do the trick tonight also !). 
    
    Now is most certainly not the time to get rid of him. If he never knew
    before he knows now that he need to bring in some good quality English
    players to reduce his dependence on the "foreign stars". Whether they
    come from the youngsters or have to be bought in remains to be seen
    (although I seriously believe we need to buy in a good striker and let
    Sparky move back deeper into midfield).
    
    Anyway, in case I haven't made myself clear :->
    
    Leave Fergie alone and let him get on with the job of getting us back
    into Europe for another try next year.
    
    Jerry.
33.1695Even Jerry's a bit jumpy today...UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnWed Dec 07 1994 14:3914
    >             -< Not winning EC <> Premiership mid-table ! >-
    
    Jerry,
    
    Nah, you need a couple of brackets in there.
                 
                     Not (winning EC <> Premiership mid-table)
    
    That's better.
    
    Yours in boolean logic fun,
    
    Paul.
    
33.1696I still think Fergie should stay ... ;-)GENIE::BOLGERFunny Scotty,now beam down my clothes!Wed Dec 07 1994 15:5617
    Paul,
    
    Thanks for the boolean correction.
    
    I'm not jumpy today. However, if both United and Goteborg (my second 
    favourite team of all time, honest ;-}) win tonight then I will be 
    jumping and utterly s**tfaced !
    
    On the other hand I won't be holding my breath. In fact, with the way
    we've performed so far in Europe it might be just as well for us to
    forget it (it's much easier to forget things when you have no choice !)
    for this season to avoid really ruining both our reputation and that of 
    English football.  I do however hope that we put up a decent
    performance tonight just to undo some of the damage from the last two
    games.
    
    Jerry.
33.1697REOSV2::STRATFORDSWed Dec 07 1994 16:097
    Jerry
    
    Lets face it the Greatest Football Team in the world are up sh1t creek
    without a paddle. Even if Goteborg win, the kebab crew will "do" the
    G.F.T. Still there's always next year, eh ;-)
    
    Stuart
33.1698Radio 5 here I come .....GENIE::BOLGERFunny Scotty,now beam down my clothes!Wed Dec 07 1994 20:393
    Thanks for the kind words, Stuart !
    
    Jerry. ;-)
33.1699Arsenal 1 - Leeds 3...MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Sun Dec 18 1994 14:007
    Well this was a scrappy match.. the best part of the match was the
    chanting of the Leeds & Arsenal fans.... but at the end of the day who
    really cares how you get the results... at the end of the season its
    just the number of points & goals that you've got which decides whether
    we get into Europe.. :->
    
    Rick.
33.1700Arsenal result -)XSTACY::FUNBOX::jlundonConferencing for WindowsMon Dec 19 1994 20:037
Great result though Arsenal are going through the horrors at the moment
and Leeds just hit them at the right time!

Hope this works as I'm posting from my PC via the notes client for Windows 
:-).  Some of us have all the luck, I suppose!

                             James.
33.1701GENIE::BOLGERFunny Scotty,now beam down my clothes!Mon Dec 19 1994 21:3111
> Hope this works as I'm posting from my PC via the notes client for Windows 
> :-).  Some of us have all the luck, I suppose!

>                             James.
    
    Being a Leeds fan teaches you to appreciate the little things in life,
    I suppose !
    
    Personally, I'm quite happy with my VT52 ;-)))
    
    Jerry.
33.1702Going for .2000 :-)XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/personal/james/home.htmlTue Dec 20 1994 18:1151
As some of you might know some Leeds fans aren't happy with Wilko's performance
at this moment in time.  The mailing list seems to be split down the middle
about him and his future at the club.  At the moment I'm on the fence but it's
a bit sore...

                          James.

From:	XSTACY::JLUNDON "A dream broken - September 4 1994  20-Dec-1994 1342
+0100" 20-DEC-1994 13:42:56.71
To:	LEEDS
CC:	JLUNDON
Subj:	LU: The view from a Galway white!

I agree with some of the previous postings in saying that Leeds have
*not* turned the corner, yet.  All you have to do is look at the team
we were playing on Saturday and the large slice of luck that we tapped
into for victory.  Arsenal are going through the horrors at the moment
and we were extremely lucky to meet them when we did.  We didn't play
like world beaters, as anyone at the match will probably attest to? 
We did however, looking on the bright side, achieve a morale boosting
victory against a team that we've not had the best of records against
in recent years.  Doesn't that ring a bell from earlier in the
season...yes we said the same after the scum victory in September and
what happen in the proceeding games?  Losses at home to Chelsea, away
to Norwich, Ipswich, Coventry etc. etc. etc.  Pretty poor after such a
fine start you have to agree? 

People are deluding themselves if they really think that Leeds have
turned some mystical corner that will lead to greater things just yet.
I will be more convinced when Wilko - the team more properly - can
string together a consistent set of results both home and away, play
like a team that wants to play in the white of Leeds, and probably
most importantly for Wilko's own future at the club - achieve a good
cup run.  Just remember back to last year, it could have been us in
the final against the scum if we played to our strengths, as I seem to
remember that Oxford were beaten by Chelsea and then Chelsea didn't
have many obstacles from there to the final.  It could have been us
under different circumstances!   Wilko's record finally in the FA cup 
with Leeds is nothing short of disasterous.  He's not gone past the 
4th round with the club since he started managing them over 6 years 
ago.  This isn't just bad luck on Leeds part, is it?

Wilko isn't out of the woods yet and the pressure will be back on him
if we revert back to type in the next 6/8 games (losing to inferior
opposition and playing shitte away).  Any criticism of him resulting
from this will - in my opinion - be deserved as there is certainly a
platform for a good team in the present squad.  If this happens then a
new hand at the tiller will have to be called for, sooner rather than 
later.  It isn't as if he's not had a chance? 

                          James.
33.1703Stealing personal namesXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/personal/james/home.htmlTue Dec 20 1994 18:129
Hey Sherlock,

What are you doing stealing JB's personal name?

Did you get his permission to do so?

What 'til I tell him! 

                            James. 
33.1704Stop actin' t'goatJGODCL::SHERLOCKEeh bah gum th's trouble at t'millWed Dec 21 1994 10:4518
    Nah then James,
    
    Sorry I have to admit I pinched it (beat you to it did I ?) ;-)
    but after he left Dec and before he joined e-mail, should this
    lead to any upset I'll change it to summat else.
    
    B.T.W. I'll be going to both the Newcastle and the Liverpool games,
    have already contacted JB on the web, will you be coming across
    for either of these games ?
    
    Newcastle games kicks off at 12 so it'll have to be an Apres football
    pi$$ up in the Adelphi. Let me know what you're doing.
    
    B.T.W. Have tried contacting Paul Cadd but to no avail.
    
    
    Tim - The_silent_noter 
    
33.1705Where are all the Yorkies?AYOV27::FW_TEMP01John Hussey - Exiled in jocko landTue Jan 10 1995 15:1412
As Leeds supporters seem to have gone into exile (nothing to do with recent 
form I hope ;-)) I thought I'd mention that they appeared to have signed a
striker who scores goal (shock!)

Apparently he is Anthony Yeboah from Eintrack Frankfurt and was one of the
lazy b*****ds who couldn't be bothered to turn up for training (Guadino was 
another).  He's reported to have signed a 1 year contract, with option for 2 
more) and Leeds could pay up to 3.7m for him.  This is all subject to a work
permit being granted as he's from Ghana.

Apparently he's scored 47 goals in 87 Bundesliga matches.

33.1706The Neanderthals from Leeds are called TykesUPROAR::LEMPThere ain't no sanity clauseTue Jan 10 1995 17:029
> <<< Note 33.1705 by AYOV27::FW_TEMP01 "John Hussey - Exiled in jocko land" >>>
>                        -< Where are all the Yorkies? >-
    
    You'll find some in note 43.
    
    Yours helpfully,
    
    Paul.
    
33.1707Still, he wiz a wee Aberdeen Ba.........KIRKTN::CDOUDIEPerfect '9' or bust...Tue Jan 17 1995 08:5814
    Gordon Strachan has finally hung up his boots due to a persistent back
    injury, being 38 didn't come into it or that the new EEC directive that
    banana's must be at least 5 inches long and making them too heavy for
    the wee man too lift.
    Reports that Gary McAllister gave him a punt up so he could reach the
    nail were quashed as another vicious rumour started by a 'SUN'
    reporter........8*)
    
    But seriously, a great player, remember his goal against Germany in the
    World Cup when we took the lead (Scotland), and he hooked his leg up on
    the hoarding 'cos he wiz too wee to jump over........
    
    colin
                                                 
33.1708UTRTSC::WARDTue Jan 17 1995 19:184
    Yes - a great player - a significant part of TGFTITW, managed by
    Alex Ferguson ... Aberdeen ..
    
    Ray
33.1709Great report from the game last night :-)XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Jan 18 1995 15:0964
From:	XSTACY::VBORMC::"nigelb@gptcsta.demon.co.uk" "Nigel Barber" 18-JAN-1995 12:02:17.11
To:	leeds-united@vax.ox.ac.uk
CC:	
Subj:	LU: A cup shock ....

MIGHTY WALSALL HUMBLED BY MINNOWS LEEDS

Leeds 5, Walsall 2 (aet)

By Gobshite O'Cliche from Elland Road.

In one of the biggest F.A. Cup Third Round upsets in recent years cup 
giants Walsall were knocked out by cup no-hopers Leeds United. Tiny
Leeds, who play in front of average league gates of a mere 34,000, were
never behind and eventually won through with an extra time hat-trick 
from bargain signing Philomen Masinga.

The match was nearly called off however, as the aging Elland Road floodlights
failed after only five minutes of play, but the tie was rescued by some
quick thinking by the groundsman who shoved a two pence piece in the fuse
box to restore light.

Afterwards the Leeds players, all part timers, were ecstatic. Midfielder
Gary Speed, who is a model in real life said, "The lads can't believe it.
You watch Match of the Day all these years and then one day you're on it,
beating a giant club like Walsall. The grandkids will never believe me."

When asked about the 4th round tie at home to Oldham, the manager Howard
Wilkinson, an undertaker in real life, said a light load of old bollocks,
so I asked Gary Speed again. He said, "Well naturally the lads are a bit
disappointed not to get another big club. We would have loved to draw
Wrexham or Swansea to claim another famous scalp, but we'll just take
every games as it comes and it's all credit to the lads ....." (enough
of that, Ed).

Until the next cup tie, Leeds return back to the drudgery of the little-known
F.A. Carling Premiership, where they play ex-prison team Leicester.

As a footnote, Leeds' scalp hunting has made little impression on the bookies,
who still make them 100,000,000-1 outsiders. Pretty generous odds, if you
ask me.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Back in the real world, all I can say is, "Thank God for that!". You never
know, this could be The Turning Point of the Season (Tm.), bit like Mark
Hughes scoring that heart-breaking equaliser in the F.A. Cup last year.

On the down side, the Sun today reports that the Yeboah deal could be
scuppered by work permit problems, saying that the DoE is not convinced
that the deal is not a loan in heavy disguise. (Ranting head on) I ask
you what the f**k is wrong with this country? In any decent country a
quick backhander, or a dead horse's head at the bottom of the bed, and 
Bob's yer uncle - a work permit, no problem. But in good old, fair Britain
it all has to be done by the book. If an official so much as accepts a bag
of Cheese and Onion crisps without declaring them it is a sacking offence.
Jeeessuss Chrissst!! (Ranting head off).

Of course, this could be paper scaremongering to create a "story", but 
knowing our recent transfer record expect the worst.

Sorry to end on a downbeat note, but we need to be informed.

        Nigel Barber (not feeling as elated as I should be).
33.1710Another - more realistic - match reportXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Jan 18 1995 15:46106
From:	XSTACY::VBORMC::"gburnage@natcorp.ox.ac.uk" "Gavin Burnage" 18-JAN-1995 12:37:39.91
To:	leeds-united@vax.ox.ac.uk
CC:	
Subj:	Leeds v Walsall

Great game last night, just like the first one at the Bescot stadium.
A credit to both teams. The atmosphere was good, due in no small
measure to the away fans bouncing around in the south stand, but our
lot were good as well, and if Becks Paul and myself shouting didn't
come over on Radio 5, I'll eat my programme.

Wilko's programme notes said "I ask you, the fans, to get behind the
lads to give them a lift, they won't be lacking in effort", and I
think we did it.

They nearly scored twice in the first four minutes so we turned the
Magnificent New East Stand lights off for a bit. Walsall fans started
singing "what a dump, what a dump, what dump", and eventually after
someone changed a bulb the lights came back on again. Deano came out
and scored in a goalmouth scramble. They got one back after a dodgy
tackle on the edge of the area led to a penalty. Was it outside the
area? Possibly; anyone seen it on the box yet? This was a cup tie, so
David Wetherall ran up and got one with his 'ead. Half-time was 2-1,
but really should have been more in favour of Leeds, tho there were
missed chances by both teams. And at 2-1 up, we should have been more
forceful and positive; there was a lot of stroking the ball around at
the back and midfield, as if building up to some striking climax but
mostly it just didn't come. As with a lot of Leeds play this season,
this phase of the game along most of the second half can best be
described as "inconclusive".

Carlton had a night he'd rather forget. The referee took a dislike to
him right from the start, and booked him fairly rapidly for something
I didn't see, heartlessly ignoring his outstretched "but ref" arms and
distressed flapping ears. He took it to heart somewhat and proceded to
pass the ball to random points on the pitch and tottter around like a
confused baby giraffe, all of which naturally caused some frustration
amongst the faithful. After a great half-season I suppose he's
entitled to a few off-games; he certainly doesn't lack commitment.
Anyway, Wilko brought on Radebe who looked very much at home and in
control.

Their second goal was a bizarre one. If I'd been sat in my normal kop
seat instead of the East Stand I might have understood what happened.
Wetherall got into a tussle with a Walsall player charging down on
goal. There was a long, slow shot on goal which drifted past a
stationary Lukic. Only explantaion we could think was that it had
taken a deflection; teletext said it was a Wetherall own goal.

The second half ended badly. Leeds were looking increasingly scrappy;
nothing was going for us, and it was beginning to look like one of
those cup nights again. But they kept at it. The defence of
Worthington, Wetherall, Pembo, and Kelly looked reliable, though
occasionally worried by the runs which Walsall frequently made at the
middle of them. Speed looked good. Deano ended up on the wing a lot as
usual. Whelan was back, and played skillfully, taking on and beating
loads of 'em, as did Wallace. It wasn't, thank goodness, another of
those unremitting long high ball nights. But at the end Walsall were
looking the likeliest to sneak a win, despite two or three more "how
did that stay out??" efforts from Leeds.

Extra time strated with Masinga coming on for Wallace. He soon got
going, and scored a well-worked goal just before half-time, and got
booked for poncing around behind the goal (and in front of the Walsall
fans). One from a corner in the second half, and then a beautifully
measured lob of the keeper after breaking down the left rounded up a
great hat-trick. We wanted him to get four.

Walsall were good. They will be pleased with both their performances
against us. "We are going up" they sang at the end, and I hope they
do.  I'd rather have them in the Prem than the likes of Ipswich Town
who are so boring toothache seems pleasureable in comparison to
watching them. They ran at us all night, their winger (no. 11, ?)
especially, but got knackered at the end. Fans were good too, and may
have had a point when they sang "you only sing when you're winning" at
the home crowd.

So, some sympathy for them, but in the end we won well, and it felt
great. All in all it was a cracking cup tie, ultimately well worth
the submarine journey up the M1, making up for Saturday's drab stuff.
LEEDS SCORE FIVE IN CUP CRACKER would be my headline; I hope it means
we've got the scoring habit again. 

And I've discovered why there's so little sound out of the East Stand:
they all clap with nice padded gloves on. It sounds more like a mob
throwing snowballs at a wall than applause. Still, what with all the
kids, both young and old, in there, it felt a lot less cynical a place
than the kop (of late at any rate).

Gav

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33.1711FORTY2::FOWLERMSammy Chung's Scarlet ArmyWed Jan 18 1995 17:106
The FA are probably whinging about the Yeboah trade being a loan in disguise
because that's just what Villa did with Nii Lamptey. If our crap attempts to
sign a complete no-hoper stop you bringing a class act like Yeboah to the
Premiership then it would be a shame.

Mike
33.1712Yeboah has reportedly been granted a work permit - and about bloody time too!XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Jan 19 1995 16:020
33.1713Food for thought?XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Mon Jan 23 1995 19:4159
From:	XSTACY::VBORMC::"mph@violet.fap.npl.co.uk" "Mark Humphries MCIPS" 23-JAN-1995
16:36:58.80
To:	leeds-united@vax.ox.ac.uk
CC:	
Subj:	Scum/Sky strike again

Well, as anyone who saw the BBurn goal yesterday will tell you - another 
outrageous decision goes FOR scum when they are live on sky.  I wonder if 
they get equally bent decisions when not on sky?

Ill start the list, others feel free to chip in, and maybe when we think its 
done post it to rss?

Leeds.    Brian Deane brings down ince 5 yards outside box. "penalty"
Coventry.  Player falls over and brushes scholes' leg outside box. "penalty" 
"player sent off"
Blackburn (1).  Berg tackles Sharp in box, clearly wins ball.  "penalty" 
"sent off".
Blackburn (2).  Sherwood scores with header on 90 mins.  "disallowed for push"
Sheff Utd.  Bruce kicks Blake, brings him down in 6 yrd box.  "play on"
Sheff Utd.  Cuntona kicks one of their players, who reply by cuffing him 
round the ear.  Sheff Utd player "sent off"  Referee "never saw Cuntona kick".  

Thatll do for now.  Theres one major bad decision which goes for scum 
virtually every match on TV.  They always go on about how good scum are at 
playing vs 10 men.  So would you doing it every other week.

Dunno about needing a 3rd referee, what we need for scum games is *1* 
referee who isnt bent.  F*ck me - imagine the sort of shit Revie would have 
got if these sort of decisions went FOR Leeds back then?  We get accused of 
bribery for LOSING all the crucial matches.

mph


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33.1714TRUCKS::SANTRelax - I do believe it's working!Mon Jan 23 1995 20:077
    
    	Is that really the standard of discussion/communication on the
    	wonderful world of internet?
    
    	What a sad, empty life, to harbour so much bitterness and anger...
    
    	Andy.
33.1715The Million Pound ManESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Mon Jan 23 1995 20:264
33.1716i hate the mancs and my life isnt sad and emptyCOMICS::HAWLEYII...AM...A...HORSE!Mon Jan 23 1995 20:3110
    
    I agree with you Andy, but the depth of feeling against manchester united 
    is not purely consigned to the internet.
    
    Brian Long reckons its all "swings and roundabouts" as regards
    Blackburn recent results, but it seems to be all "swings" for the mancs.
    For anyone who is reasonably passionate about football and their team, 
    this sort of thing starts to grate on the nerves a little.
    
    Ian.
33.1717Stop Manc ManipulationXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Jan 24 1995 12:2522
I have to agree with -1.  Some of the decisions that have gone Manc's
way this year almost defy belief.  It is also very irksome that most
of the media absolutely fawns over the team.  Take for instance The
Times who yesterday initiated a competition for 30 Manc strips.  What
are they playing at?  I would have thought that it would be only fair
for the newspaper to offer 30 strips of the winners choice, not just
Manc strips.  We are not all Manc supporters, believe it or not.  I
suppose the newspaper in question is trying to go downmarket a bit
:-). 

Maybe we are jealous but I want to see fairness, and in my mind a lot
of the media hype around Manc isn't fair and is dulling the youth of
today into being Manc morons of tomorrow!  I like to see diversity in
fans' preferences, but this all out assault on the senses of young
fans in most nauseating (I think all non-Manc fans will heartedly
agree with me here). 

I think I will have to start a campaign:

"Stop Manc Manipulation of the Young Minds of Today".

                          James.
33.1718back contributing againCOMICS::HAWLEYII...AM...A...HORSE!Tue Jan 24 1995 12:4720
    ...and I will join it!
    
    Local smaller clubs are only going to suffer if the children of their
    traditional supporters decide to support a club 200 miles away 
    (Y.I.K.I.S.A.C.2.H.M.A.A.W!) just because they have a couple of
    "doe-eyed cuties" playing for them (for the girls) and because its just
    plain cool to wander round looking like Fred the Red (for the boys).
    
    It all hype and its sickening to the rest of us, watching the mancs
    turn in profits that could buy some smaller clubs purely from
    merchandising. Every time they start to slip in the league they just
    have to bring out a new shirt and they can go out and buy Hristo
    Stoichkov.
    
    I'm not saying that if it was OUR team, we wouldnt be giggling smugly,
    but hey, youve got to allow us the freedom to scream in abject despair.
    
    Ian.
    
        
33.1719TRUCKS::SANTRelax - I do believe it's working!Tue Jan 24 1995 13:1818
33.1720CHEFS::EDWARDSDTue Jan 24 1995 13:4739
    Re: previous entries
    
    Refs decisions - please let's remember that it is the refs giving these
    decisions.  It is *NOT* through any influence by Utd players.  Most of
    the matches cited in the earlier entry were *AWAY* from Old Trafford ie
    not influenced by the Utd crowd.  The refs have made their decisions
    based on what they or their linesmen have seen.  There was no
    complaining after the Blackburn "goal", no faking/diving after the
    Sheffield slap - stop letting your prejudice get in the way.
    
    Profits - why shouldn't Utd capatalise on their success ?  Is it more
    acceptable for young lads to be running around in San Francisco 49ers
    tops, or Chicago Bulls gear, etc etc ?  There is currently a market for
    sportswear.  Utd are exploiting that market better than anybody at the
    moment.  When Liverpool start winning things again, the same will
    happen with them.
    
    Supporters - I have been going to Old Trafford for over 25 years, and
    there has always been a massive following from all over the country. 
    This is *NOT* new.  It may be convenient for people to point to this
    "non-Manchester" support as being in someway linked to their current
    success, but this is "mostly" untrue,
    
    Newspapers fawning over Utd - yeah right !  Are these the same papers
    that slated Utd for the majority of last season over their poor
    disciplinary record ?  Are these the same papers that adored Liverpool
    for 20 years ?  Are these the same papers that were drooling over
    Newcastle (rightly so !) at the start of this season ?  
    
    ManUtd strips as newspaper prize - ooh, we really are getting to the
    bottom of the barrel on this one.  I suppose I should be offended
    because the Big Breakfast is offering people a chance to win Liverpool
    home tickets all this week.  No choice of tickets - just Liverpool.
    Gosh, that got me hot and bothered this morning !!!!
    
    Ah well, back to work ...
    
    Dave
    
33.1721theres only one marky lawrensonCOMICS::HAWLEYII...AM...A...HORSE!Tue Jan 24 1995 14:0711
33.1722heated conversations - back to the old daysCOMICS::HAWLEYII...AM...A...HORSE!Tue Jan 24 1995 14:2441
    
    Dave> 
    
    1. Refs decisions.
    
    not getting into it, except to say that i recall you lot moaning
    about the treatment of other clubs as anfield not so long ago.
    
    
    2. Profits.
    
    > There is currently a market for sportswear.
    > Utd are exploiting that market better than anybody at the moment.
    
    Couldnt have put it better myself, Dave.
    Exploiting is the operative word in this statement. 6 strips? 3 years?
    Utd is a business, not a football club, with a bigger responsibility to
    its shareholders than to its fans. Martin Edwards said as much on TV
    the other day.
    
    3.Supporters.
    
    i'm sure youd like to think that the support has always been massive.
    but on THIS scale? I think not.
    Still, im not so bothered about the amount of support, better them than
    arsenal, at least the mancs play football.
    
    
    4.Newspapers fawning over Utd
    
    I don't read the newspapers :-)
    
    
    5.ManUtd strips as newspaper prize
    
    Better than people actively buying them I suppose.
    
    
    Ian.
    
    
33.1723ADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKTue Jan 24 1995 14:279
>    5.ManUtd strips as newspaper prize
>    
>    Better than people actively buying them I suppose.

Maybe the fans have finally woken up to the fact that they're being taken for a
ride, and nobody wants the new kit, so the only way they can get rid of them is
to give them away!!!! ;-)

Al
33.1724CHEFS::EDWARDSDTue Jan 24 1995 14:3821
    Ian,
    
    >>not getting into it, except to say that i recall you lot moaning
    >>about the treatment of other clubs as anfield not so long ago.
    
    You're right - however, as I stated, most of the recent events have
    taken place away from OT. 
    
    
    >>Utd is a business, not a football club, with a bigger responsibility to
    >>its shareholders than to its fans. Martin Edwards said as much on TV
    >>the other day.
    
    Then why spend 7m quid of the shareholders money on a player ?  Martin
    Edwards knows that he's currently sitting on a goldmine, but that it is
    dependent purely on the success of the club.  He will invest in the
    club in order to maintain the current level of success - I hope !!!
    
    Dave
    
    
33.1725and they used to chant "Fergie out!"YUPPY::PANESSelhurst Parklife is all a blurTue Jan 24 1995 14:516
re supporters.

Lets not forget that 6 years ago , crowds of circa 26,000 used to turn
up at Salford's Tower of Babel.

Stuart
33.172645769::EDWARDSDTue Jan 24 1995 15:218
    re:-1
    
    >>Lets not forget that 6 years ago , crowds of circa 26,000 used to turn
    >>up at Salford's Tower of Babel.
    
    Aye, the youth team were pretty good in them days !
    
    Dave
33.1727Chantelle strikes again!XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Jan 25 1995 12:2967
33.1728UTRTSC::WARDWed Jan 25 1995 13:034
    That's not even mildly amusing - delete it immediately before the mods
    do ..
    
    Ray
33.1729Please use common sense in transcripts...RTOVC0::DCASSIDYWed Jan 25 1995 13:125
    
    Agreed Ray, this type of script is lower that the gutter and has no
    place in this conference.
    
    Dezzz.
33.1730***** Censorship *****XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Jan 25 1995 14:159
re .1727

Ah for crying out louds.  Talk about censorship!  If anyone 
wants a copy of Chantelle's latest effort please mail me at 
XSTACY::JLUNDON.

I want to know why it was hidden?

                            James.
33.1731Also...XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Jan 25 1995 14:166
Also, It's only fair that the author is mailed to tell him/her 
of the moderator's decision!

We do live in a democracy after all, or so I thought!

                            James.
33.1732It's a police state, James ...AYOV29::DUTY93_MALCAll aboard the Skylark ...Wed Jan 25 1995 14:236
    
    	And while they are about it I would like some dialogue concerning
    Bristol City (if it's not too much trouble).
    
    Malc.
    
33.1733weeve got andi coleCHEFS::EDWARDSDWed Jan 25 1995 14:281
    Was that Chantelles poem about Mark Hughes ?
33.1734Free speech for all....AYOV16::IREIDOur day will come......Wed Jan 25 1995 14:3021
And what about my songs??



















OK....they were bad! :-)
33.1735Chantelle's peom.XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Jan 25 1995 15:1311
re .1733

It's a completely new poem about Yeboah.  It's quite funny, no
matter what the moderators say :-).

The Voice has also admitted to being related to Chantelle FWIW!

To those of you who have mailed, I will deal with the multitudes 
after lunch - yum.

                         James.
33.1736XSTACY::MDUNPHYJust another Day!!Wed Jan 25 1995 16:322
James,
	Shouldn't you be working After lunch??
33.1737XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Jan 25 1995 17:437
Re -1

Sorry boss :-(.

I won't do it again!

                            James.
33.1738Cantona the poet.XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Jan 26 1995 12:589
Hear the latest on Cantona:

the fan he attacked was a manc fan who didn't like his latest poetry.

I feel that there is another Chantelle poem on the way.  

Stay tuned to this topic as it will appear here exclusively.

                       James. 
33.173945769::GEORGEMA jar of turkey seepage please.Thu Jan 26 1995 12:591
...and get hidden 5 seconds later.
33.174245769::GEORGEM15 feet of underfelted good luck.Fri Jan 27 1995 17:561
whoa!  Deja vu!
33.174345769::STRATFORDSSealclubbing: A big hit with pupsFri Jan 27 1995 17:564
    Erm, call me old fashioned but doesn't the last one bear a remarkable
    resemblance to the one that caused some ructions yesterday?
    
    Yours inqusitively, Stuart
33.1744GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Fri Jan 27 1995 18:0114
    
    Re .1741
    
    	some people are just incapable of behaving with due consideration
    for others. If someone in Digital with a chip on thier shoulder against
    FOOTBALL notes readers was to read entries like these our conference
    could be turned off. Why do you insist on trying to push our luck
    Choppers? Just because you're here as a trainee & you don't give a damn
    about anyone else? Some of us want to use the notes for the exchange of
    ideas / results / news etc. The mod's have made it clear that cross
    postings of a crude nature have no place in this conference. Does it
    have to be spelt out any clearer??
    
    JBG
33.1745MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Fri Jan 27 1995 18:044
    And in the Leeds note as well... anybody would think that Leeds fans
    like this kind of thing... :->
    
    Rick.
33.1746AYOV16::IREIDOur day will come......Fri Jan 27 1995 18:155
It has now been deleted.  I forgot that it had been on already.

Sorry for any inconveniance(sp?) caused! :-)

Choppers
33.1747MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We can change... anything we want too... Mon Jan 30 1995 10:549
    Well it looks like we can go for a hat-trick of wins over ManU this
    year.... :->
    
    	I can hear the Leeds fans singing now...
    
    		"Where's ya frenchman gone...,
    		 Where's your frenchman gone..."
    
    Rick.
33.1748Very Quiet in HereESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Mon Feb 20 1995 20:5917
33.1749Not a good day for Mr.Morrell by all accounts :-)IOSG::STANDAGEMy hovercraft is full of eelsTue Feb 21 1995 11:278
    
    Not only "3-1 without Cantona" - but Rick had to part with a semi-crisp
    tenner due to a side-bet. Poor guy looked rather distrought yesterday,
    and he even managed an own goal on the astroturf.
    
    Kevin.
    
    
33.1750MARVIN::MORRELLBatfink &amp; Karate vs Hugo A Go-GoMon Feb 27 1995 16:024
    I held my head up high when I handed over that 10 pound note... we have
    our chance on the 1st April to make the score 2-1! :->
    
    Rick.
33.1751Good run ... but for how long?GIDDAY::PARSONSBugs - R - Us Mon Mar 20 1995 06:554
    
    8 days, 3 wins (2 away from home!), 9 goals, 5 for Yeboah.  Back
    on the edge of UEFA qualification.  Shame we've got Man Utd,
    Liverpool, Blackburn & Newcastle in the next month.
33.1752MARVIN::MORRELLCos I missed you... Yeah.... I missed youMon Mar 20 1995 12:503
    Piece of cake... If Liverpool can beat ManU then so can we.. :->
    
    Rick.
33.1753Possible though...XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Mar 21 1995 12:4822
Gidday,

It's going to be a tough "back 9" (well 10 actually) for us with our last 
five away games against:

Man U
Newcastle
Liverpool
Nottm Forest
Spurs

I'd be happy with 6/7 points from those games with a win against any of the 
five being very nice.

Our home form is iffy enough at the moment but I think we can probably win
4 of the 5 - Blackburn being the exception.  Europe is still possible though
a bit remote unless we get substantial help from other teams above us i.e.
Liverpool to win the CCC and (choke!) Man U [or Spurs] to win the Cup.

We'll see.

                             James.
33.1754MARVIN::MORRELLCos I missed you... Yeah.... I missed youWed Mar 22 1995 15:313
    Anymore on this story about Strachan going to Coventry??
    
    Rick
33.1755confirmedFORTY2::JONESNeilWed Mar 22 1995 15:574
    
    Its true. I heard Strachan and BFR talking about it on Radio 5.
    
    Neil
33.1756\MARVIN::MORRELLCos I missed you... Yeah.... I missed youWed Mar 22 1995 16:184
    well.. its a shame really... he could have taken over from ol' Howard
    but I wish him well... ( as long as he doesn't beat us!! :-> )
    
    Rick.
33.1757CHEFS::GEORGEMThe West is the BestWed Mar 22 1995 16:578
Strachan is going to be BFR's 2nd in command, and will take over from BFR in 2 
years time, on his "retirement".





Matt "Ceefax" George.
33.1758MARVIN::MORRELLCos I missed you... Yeah.... I missed youThu Mar 23 1995 11:214
    Well.. instead of seeing Gordon out in style with a win... Leeds decide
    to turn turtle and loose 3-0... Hmmmmm...
    
    Rick.
33.1759MARVIN::MORRELLThis is the rhythm of the night....Wed Mar 29 1995 12:497
    Anyone know if Leeds will get a cut of the 5.5 million for Eric Cantona
    when ManU sell him on.... I wonder if we'd put a clause in his contract
    about getting paid if ManU sold him for a profit....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.1760ManU 0 - Leeds 0... 4 Points for the season! :->MARVIN::MORRELLThis is the rhythm of the night....Mon Apr 03 1995 13:423
    :->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    
    Rick.
33.1761You're only one-season wonders !CHEFS::EDWARDSDMon Apr 03 1995 13:522
    Good to see the Leeds "fans" showing their true colours with chants of
    "Shearer" and "Dalglish" yesterday !
33.1762CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishMon Apr 03 1995 14:3415
    
   re:
    <<< Note 33.1760 by MARVIN::MORRELL "This is the rhythm of the
    night...." >>>
                 -< ManU 0  - Leeds 0... 4 Points for the season! :-> >-
    
       
    :->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    
    Rick,
    
    Do we take it that you are happy with yesterdays result?
    
    Stuart
    
33.1763Oh... boy .. I would have laughed & laughed...MARVIN::MORRELLThis is the rhythm of the night....Mon Apr 03 1995 14:384
    Yep... I couldn't be happier... except if that goal kick from Peter S.
    had rebounded off Carlton Palmer & gone into the net..... :->
    
    Rick.
33.1764RTOVC0::DCASSIDYMon Apr 03 1995 17:057
    >Good to see the Leeds "fans" showing their true colours with chants of
    >"Shearer" and "Dalglish" yesterday !
    
	And I suppose Manchester United Supporters would be Sooooooo
    different.
    
	Dezzz.
33.1765CHEFS::EDWARDSDMon Apr 03 1995 17:5711
    In all the years Liverpool dominated English football, I can't recall
    one occasion when Utd fans cheered for another team.  I do remember
    laughing my nuts off when Arsenal did the business at Anfield though !
    
    Seriously Dezzz, I have spoken to "fans" of City, Leeds and Liverpool
    over the last few seasons, and I have heard the same sh**e from them
    all...They would rather see their own team relegated if it would help
    Aston Villa/Blackburn (twice) win the league.  Loooooosers !!!!!!!
    Admittedly, the sane people contributing to this conference may think
    this is all rather ridiculous, but these people are out there  !  I
    think a lot of them were in the Sheep section on Sunday.
33.1766RTOVC0::DCASSIDYMon Apr 03 1995 18:1614
    
    Mmmm, I've got to admit that cheering on another team is a human
    reaction but a definite sign of jealosy. I was betwixt and between
    yesterday whilst watching the match in relation to Liverpool getting
    into Europe....I would prefer (I must be honest) to see United having
    one last crack under Ferguson in the Champions Cup as I see them having
    a better chance than Blackburn. Blackburn have had 2 games in
    Europe..though admittedly the individual parts of the team a lot more.
    United might miss out on what could potentially be a 'weaker'
    Champions League next season....I won't go on...I'll first wait to hear
    what you guys have on my other question re ECWC/UEFA...
    
    
    Dezzz.   
33.1767Wait a cotton picking minuteXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Apr 04 1995 17:4224
>    Seriously Dezzz, I have spoken to "fans" of City, Leeds and Liverpool
>    over the last few seasons, and I have heard the same sh**e from them
>    all...They would rather see their own team relegated if it would help
>    Aston Villa/Blackburn (twice) win the league.  Loooooosers !!!!!!!

I don't usually contribute to this notesfile but you have just forced
me to un-retire for a short while to comment on your recent note. 
My comment: what a load of cobblers.  Show me a Leeds, Liverpool, or
City fan who would prefer to see their own team get relegated (if it
would help MUFC lose a league) and I show you a supporter that doesn't
deserve to wear the colours of the team he/she is *supposed* to be 
supporting.

I supported Leeds through all 8 years of their second division odyssey 
and I can tell you that I would prefer to see MUFC win the league
*every* single year than to have to play teams like Grimsby ;-),
Carlisle, or Cambridge year in year out.  Some people are spoilt 
because they support teams that are constantly in the top division. 
Ignore "fans" that tell you they'd prefer to see their own team go
down, as probably they are the same fan that will be wearing Blackburn
kit next year (no offence to the one real Blackburn fan out there). 
Those kind of fans make me sick! 

                          James.
33.1768CHEFS::EDWARDSDTue Apr 04 1995 18:195
    re:last
    
    Is that "cobblers" because you don't believe me, or "cobblers" because
    you think these "fans" are pillocks ?  If the latter, then I couldn't
    agree more.
33.1769Now we're all a little guilty....RTOVC0::DCASSIDYTue Apr 04 1995 18:2422
    
    James,
    	I have to agree with most of what you say but he did say 'most
    sane' people don't aspire to those masochistic tendencies (if that
    statement in itself is not too over the top). I would prefer Wimbledon
    winning the league than see Liverpool go down...(that would be my worst
    nightmare !!).
    
    	I think it boils down to people 'saying what they mean and meaning
    what they say'.....most people have a little hypocritical streak in
    them whether its to induce a little fun into a situation (ala tongue in
    cheek) right through to being totally cynical about the situation.
    
    	Why do so many folk watch the FA Cup Final....How many Leeds
    supporters would be supporting Manchester United on May 20th if it meant
    opening up a slot for Leeds United to go into Europe....Quite a lot I
    should imagine....
    
    Regards,
    
    Dezzz.
                                 
33.1770Oi, Lundon, no!FORTY2::FOWLERMFrom Grimsby and proudTue Apr 04 1995 19:193
Oh never mind. 8-)

Mike
33.1771XSTACY::FUNBOX::jLuNdOnhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Apr 04 1995 20:467
Re -1

Smoked you out!

Pillocks - the fans!

                       James.
33.1772Match report 1 - from mailing listXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Apr 05 1995 17:30153
This is not really a report as much as a description of the chants the fans
were singing at the match Sunday.  Someone made the negative comment about
the Leeds fans that they were singing about Shearer/Daglish.  Maybe by 
reading this you get a better idea why?

                           James.

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From:	XSTACY::VBORMC::"gavin.burnage@language-centre.oxford.ac.uk" "Gavin
Burnage"  4-APR-1995 15:40:40.28
To:	leeds-united@vax.ox.ac.uk
CC:	
Subj:	LU: What we did at Old Triffid

>Is there som'at wrong with my PC/University network/Gavs' bits/the
>internet, or is there just not much mail today.

My bits were as well as could be expected last time I looked, but there
did seem to be a list-prob yesterday, probably due to difficulties 
with Oxford's mail machines. Apologies, for what it's worth, even though
I don't know exactly what I'm apologizing about.

I've now seen plenty of match reports due to the wonders of Sky
and dodgy landlords, but there did seem to me to be a problem with the
tv coverage in that sound booms were placed along the sides of the
pitch to pick up the groans of the red faithful, but not into the
corner to pick up the gleeful noises from the little White horde.

So to complete the picture of this happy day out, I thought I'd tell
you about some of the mindless chanting which went on. This is an off-beam
thing to do, I guess, but take it or leave it. In fifty years
this might get quoted in someone's sociology thesis.

Things started off with the usual "we are leeds". Frankly I don't blame
the Spurs lot for singing "you are leeds" back at us, whenever that was. 
It's getting like a Bryan Adams record -- can't we think of summat else 
once in a while? 

There was a lot of "four nil, Barcelona" (you know, Pet Shop Boys
again) after that, which warmed them up nicely (their lot behind the
goal, to our right, that is).  For some reason they stand and applaud
when we sing that line, as if we'd just said something witty rather
than taking the pish. They also resorted to various gorilla
imitations (rather good in many cases) when we stuck our LEEDSs up in
between their Un-i-teds.

What really got their red goatees the most was songs in praise of
Kenny Dalglish, and the several bouts of Shearer-worship we did. "Who
the f*ck do you support?" they screamed, faces as red and blotchy as
their geunuine replica shirts. And just to show we can do something
other than "we are leeds" when occasion demands, we replied "we're
leeds, and we're proud of it" at length.

All the usual stuff was aired -- we were marching on together again,
keeping the white flag flying high, Yorkshire's Republican Army we're
barmy wherever we go with friend or foe we are the YRA.  There was one
sudden "we are the champions - champions of Europe", but it was
nothing compared to the maginificent 20 minute effort at Wimbledon,
and fizzled out all too quickly. In similar style there was a round
of "Sergeant Wilko's Barmy Army", which is the first time that's
been aired for yonks. 

Mark Hughes got the inevitable Hyoosless chants, Andy Cole got "he
gets the ball, he does f*ck all" (with some justification; even Fergie
must have wondered about joining in the "what a waste of money"
bits). Peter Schmeichal should have got something for the splendid
clearance kick at Carlton which nearly rebounded back into the
goal. It would have been an all-time comedy classic, though Manu would
have whinged for ever about losing the title on the rebound. Songs
which would have been good: "boom bang-a-bang, boom bang-a-bang,
straight in his goal"

Pro-Leeds -- lots of Yeboah stuff, the usual Dee-nohs, Oh gary garies,
palmer-marijuanas etc etc etc. There's still no convincing song for
Yeboah, though the hava nagila (sp?) one is the best of a bad
bunch. For overseas readers it goes "Tony, Tony Yeboah, Tony Yeboah,
Tony Yeb-o-o-ah, OY". Good tune, splendid OY, but no prizes for lyrics.
 
"You're scum, and you know you are" was popular throughout the game
(tho not with me), but there were thankfully few aeroplanes and
runways mentioned, on both sides. In fact, they did as many aeroplane
imitations as Leeds did ... "some of them want to be abused" (Lennox,
A, 198?)

They were on dodgy ground with any mention of Eric Cantona, and were
foolish enough to try it on. "Ooh aah, eric cantona" was quickly
replaced by "f*ck off, eric cantona". But they persisted with the
original version, and eventually the Leeds slice of the ground was
full of people singing "Where is, Eric Cantona??" and looking round,
up, and down anxiously to see if the errant trawlerman was present
after all, distributing tins of tuna to the birds. But he wasn't. And
they just wouldn't tell us where he was.

I thought we should have gone for glory in the last part of the second
half.  We were having a purple patch, but suddenly seemed content to
hold off.  Wilko performed the protracted Ritual of Late Substitution
twice to kill time. Still, a draw at their place wasn't what they
wanted, and it was well on the way to what we wanted. As the match
drew peacefully towards its close, they grew quieter and we got
louder. More emotional tributes to Dalglish and Shearer came out, plus
a chant of "you're not champions any more" which is the one that hurts
the most (anyone else at Maine Road, three days after Rangers at home,
4-0 down?). They sang "you're gonna win f*ck all" at us, we sang it
back, only louder.

The whistle went, the Leeds went potty, the mancs went home in a bad mood.

There was more of all the same during the 20 minute wait to get out,
though including a brief Leeds run of "so f*cking easy, oh this is so
f*cking easy" which many will remember with pain from the cup-dump
with just 4 minutes on the board.

I'd never met Iain Mitchell till the Leicester game a week or so
back; now I seem to bump into him every match. It wasn't till 
Sunday that I realised that he does look quite a bit like Statto :-)
He didn't seem very taken with the comparison! Sorry Iain!

Then Livehpewl won the league cup. 

A bad day for the mankers in the red, but it was alright to be White.

Well done us. 

See yous at Ippo, also Anfield: what gives with the Aintree meet???

Gav
(mature, well-rounded adult?)

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33.1773Match report 2 - from mailing listXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Apr 05 1995 17:31211
Nigel up to his old tricks again.

                          James.

++

From:	XSTACY::VBORMC::"nigelb@gptcsta.demon.co.uk" "Nigel Barber"  3-APR-1995
19:43:27.88
To:	leeds-united@vax.ox.ac.uk
CC:	
Subj:	LU: I have a UEFA dream

Well, for all of you that missed seeing the game because a pub with a
sympathetic landlord could not be found, I have the answer: snooker
clubs. For a mere [imagine a pound sign] 1.50 I sat in a nice plush
area with a 24-hour bar and watched the match on a projection TV.
Remember where you heard it first.

Here is my match report, although it comes with the caveat that my 
impression of the game was filtered through Murdoch Vision and a 
fuzzy projection telly. I was sober though.


GLAD TO BE OF DISSERVICE TO YOU

    by Nigel Barber


Well, after the goof up at the City Ground could we avoid the Intertoto
nightmare and get our UEFA bandwagon (more like a beat-up old Volkswagen
really) back on the road whilst simultaneously denting the scum's title
hopes? The answers were justabout and justabout. Hurrah!

Wilko's warriors lined up approximately like this :


              John "Helen Keller" Lukic
       
       Fast Gary K.   The Graduate     Pembo Warrior      Fast Tony D.

       Carlton "Only half a Batty" Palmer    Young Couzens

       Rod "Keystone cops" Wallace   God           Deano

                      Yeeeboaaah


As can be seen, it was basically Wilko's latest favoured formation,
with the human stick insect running around in front of the defence
to make himself a right nuisance. I was glad to see Howard keeping
courage with his convictions and not falling for any of that fashionable
three centre-halves nonsense.

Gary Speed was out, suspended, so we were at full strength. Just joking,
luv ya really Gaz.

The match kicked off and a pattern soon emerged; Trafford had lots of 
the ball, as we leaked possession in nearly all positions, but could
not find the final ball to break us down. We broke well and had several
half chances. Just before half time Schmeichel hit a clearance that
went straight into Palmer and almost rebounded into the net, only a
(un)lucky bounce on a divot saved the portly Dane from severe embarrassment.
In fact the ball did not bounce for us all game (in the right way, that
is).

At half time, Sky bombarded us with all sorts of match facts. God knows
why. Anyway, one of them said that Leeds had more shots on goal than
the scum, much to our amazement. As Mark Twain might have said, "There
are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and Sky Sports Match Statistics."

Keeping it goal free up to the interval gave me much hope, as we are
almost invariably a "second half" team, for some weird reason. Indeed
as the second half got underway, we did indeed play better and wasted
possession far less. The improvement in our play helped the entire 
game as more spaces started to open up. Andy Cole missed a couple of 
good chances at our end (well, at least he is consistent) and Schmeichel
pulled off a good reaction save from Wallace and managed to just knock
it out of the path on the oncoming Yeboah. 

The game had come to life and both sets of fans were in good voice; the
glory hunters whined for a goal and the mighty Yorkshiremen sung stirring
songs such as, "You're gonna win fuck all". Ahh, it fair brings a tear
to my eye.

Trafford struggled to find an opening through our resolute defence, but
looked pretty devoid of inspiration without Hong kong Phooey Cantona.
Some of the closest shaves at our end came from Wimbeldon-style long
throw-ins into our penalty area from David Beckham - I told you they
were lacking in ideas,

We made a few more chances as the game opened up further but the best
ones fell to Wallace and Macca; neither of whom had brought their top
shooting boots along.

Towards the end, as 0-0 started looking a dead certainty, young Noel
replaced Deane and Granpa Worthington came on for Wallace. Predictably,
this made little impression on the game and before long (although it seemed
longer) the 90 minutes were up. The scum were pissed off and we were
pretty happy - let's be honest, a White-inflicted thrashing was never 
on the cards.

Post match, Sky attempted to bore us into submission with yet more
scintillating match statistics and incisive match analysis from dull
guest pundits Kevin Moran (Moron?) and Graeme LeSux. Good ol' Howie
added a bit of entertainment with his usual post-match utterances
that made Eric Cantona's sound like a model of coherence.


Right, here comes the near-end-of-term reports for our unlikely lot.

John Lukic. Overall he had a good game, holding onto some fierce shots
very surely. Set pieces and long throw-ins were a bit of a worry though
and was nearly caught out when lingering way too long over a back pass.

Gary Kelly. An excellent defensive performance and did a superb job of
keeping the Wingnut Wonder Boy pretty quiet. Also had an amusing
altercation with Cole over a disputed throw in, carrying on the spat
that Pembo started in the Christmas match against Newcastle.

David Wetherall. Very solid defending indeed. He made himself a right
nuisance all match. So much of one in fact that Andy Gray chose him
as Sky's Man of the Match. Who am I to argue with the Caledonian Crap
Talker?

John Pemberton. See David Wetherall. Unless I am mistaken (very possible)
he miraculously avoided getting booked - a big plus.

Tony Dorigo. Good defending (bit of a pattern emerging here) but was
a bit poor coming forward. I hope this is only temporary.

Carlton Palmer. Half a Batty. Keh? Well, his tackling and ball winning
was excellent, as it should be with those telescopic pins of his. However,
his distribution was a bag of spanners - hence he is only worth 50%
of the Prodigal Son.

Andy Couzens. I nearly forgot this lad. The problem was that he looked          
                                               
too much like Pembo on the big, fuzzy TV. However, I do not remember
him disgracing himself and the close ups kept showing him getting
patronising pats on the head from his older, grizzled team mates. 
Therefore I am making the rash assumption that he did well.

Gary McAllister. Did not quite hit the heights we expect him to, but
he does have one or two excuses for this: a tiring trip to Russia and
still far too much responsibility in the midfield. The sooner he gets
another creative partner that can operate on his advanced wavelength
the better. Whoever it may be.

Brian Deane. Had a poor game. He simply does not have the technique to
get by defenders of the quality of Gary Pallister and so was largely
ineffective. Still a great asset in the air against most teams, but 
not this one. He was eventually replaced by ......

Noel Whelan. Not on long enough to really give me the opportunity to 
assess him. Did better with the ball at his feet than Deano, but then
so would I.

Rod Wallace. Kept himself busy and was involved in a lot of our best
movements. Unfortunaly the best chances fell at his feet, rather than
Yeboah's, and I know who my money would be on to get the ball in the
net. Ended up with the humiliation of being replaced by ......

Nigel Worthington. Hardly had a touch really. He probably only got on
the field as a time-wasting ploy by the Unhinged One.

Tony Yeboah. Never really had a chance to finish, so I cannot criticise
him for wasting any. He is good in build up play and is capable of
playing some excellent through balls, so he is more than just a finisher.
His time will come, I just hope he is still with us when it does.



So, to sum up, it was not the result we all wanted (25-0) but a pretty
pleasing one nonetheless, especially when it caused Spit Ferguson to
conclude that the title was getting beyond their reach. Moreover, with
the Spurs defence rediscovering their old bad habits (they lost 4-3 at
Southampton) we remain in sixth place. The cherry on the top is that
Liverpool's win the Coca-Cola Cup now makes our current league position
a UEFA berth (I think).


     Nigel Barber (still slightly optomistic)


P.S. Here's an old joke (but still a funny one).

A burglar broke in Manchester City's trophy room at the weekend, removing
its entire contents. The police are looking for a man with a blue carpet.



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33.1774J'Accuse reportXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Apr 05 1995 17:3377
From:	XSTACY::VBORMC::"stuart@vax.ox.ac.uk" "Stuart Lee"  5-APR-1995
11:04:35.47
To:	leeds-united@vax.ox.ac.uk
CC:	
Subj:	J'accuse MUFC

For those who didn't get to see it the much vaunted 'J'accuse Man Utd' was
aired last night on Channel 4. It was basically a half hour demolition of the
myth that the MUFC are the greatest thing to hit footie and shouldn't we all
love them by the columnist Hunter Munroe. I missed the opening so I'm not sure
if Munroe was a MUFC fan but judging by the digs he got in I've a feeling he
was but a well-miffed one.

The gist of it was that MUFC were ripping off their fans (megastores, shirts,
seat prices) etc. and this was a *bad thing*. There were some very good lines
in it particularly his closing remark about MUFC not winning much in the
seventies and eighties in comparison to all the money they spent. C*ntona got
an airing and we saw all his best "gallic flicks" on the opposition. Tom Doc
got on his high horse and ranted about spit and Man Utd ("At least in the old
days when you were robbed they had the decency to wear a mask"), and there was
a couple of twatty MUFC fans moaning on about how much it cost to get a seat
and they couldn't get in. One of these decided that it would be dead cool to
hold the interview on his hallway stairs with a cut-out from the Mirror about
Busby's death on the wall behind - he also seemed to think it would impress us
if he wore a hat and sunglasses indoors - where are their manners? There was
also a clip of that Kelly guy who appears on the Danny Baker radio show and
has done 6-0-6 a few times. Bit of a porker, eh?

On the whole an excellent piece of telly (nice work fella to the guy who
thought they should bring on a scouser to tell them about footie - bet that
pissed off the MUFC fans watching). Great digs about the number of shirts, seat
prices, over-exposure on telly, and so on. However, just to maintain a sense of
balance here I felt it was a bit rich having a go at the MUFC because of those
twerps who struggle up from Devon for each match rather than supporting Exeter
or whatever. Surely the people to have a go at here were the guys on the coach
not the club. Similarly, MUFC are overhyped I agree, but you can't really have
a go at them because kids all over the country support them. Again that's not
the clubs fault but the media (for the overhype) and the parents/kids for not
getting behind their local team. If the demand was not there the shop in
Leyton that was mentioned would not stock MUFC scarves. You can't make a law
about only supporting a team in your local area.

Isn't a bit like the criticism levelled at Leeds in the seventies about being
too hard? The point was that every team tried to be hard it was just that we
were better at it than others. Every team in the Premiership is selling its
soul on a daily basis, it's just that MUFC are doing it better and quicker, and
have a larger media backing.

The final cheery note is that it was agreed that this was going to blow up in
their faces. By overhyping the merchandising side, and overselling Old Pigsty
as some sort of Alton Towers to bring the kiddies and for yuppies to go and sip
champers they're digging their own graves. The argument being that when they
stop winning things all these part-time suuporters will stop going, the hard
core support will be so pissed off they will have stopped going, MUFC will be
saddled with a massive stadium which they need to keep going so they'll have to
put prices up, and so on and so on. Can't wait. I love economics (for those of
you who know about it it's a sort of cobweb theorem gone loopy).

Stu "Just call me John Maynard Keynes"    

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33.1775My own mini-report from SundayXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Apr 06 1995 21:5369
Before the game I would have been more than happy if we got a result
i.e. a draw (or very unlikely, a win).  The first 10 minutes were,
IMHO, the most important.  If we could weather this period, I thought
we could hold out for the whole game.  Disaster: after two minutes 
MUFC got a corner.  Phew!  Leeds handled it very well, though.
Throughout the entire match MUFC didn't really look like scoring
against us in corner situations (10 corners to one was the final
corner count in their favour).  Oh, if we could only have kept them
out during the cup game; I wonder would we be looking at a cup final
now?  Anyhow... 

Leeds were the second best team for most of the game but I never
felt, at any stage, that we were under great stress from MUFC.
We conceded midfield for the most part, with our front 3 not getting
much decent ball during the first half.  Having said that, Leeds did
attack fairly quickly (for them) on the break and caused MUFC
defence (and us, the spectators) to skip a few heart beats.  Dorigo,
I thought, had one of his better games in a while, scooting around the
place and looking fairly much at ease.  Lukic looked good, and was
very well-positioned to stop everything that came his way during both
halves. 

The referee booked three Leeds players during the course of the game,
for fairly minor offences, such as Wallace coming too close to a free
kick at the start of the second half.  Kelly and McAllister got booked
for fairly robust, but not overly unfair, tackles.  It's truly amazing
that no Leeds player had yet been sent off this year, even though our
tally of yellow cards must be touching 50 at this stage. 

Half time came and went, and Leeds still looked comfortable.  Giggs
was almost completely anonymous in the first half, and might as well
have been the invisible man in the second half, for all he did.  Kelly
certainly had no problems with him.  Cole caused a few headaches, but
as we all know, Cole couldn't hit the barn door from 5 feet with his
good foot nowadays.  Hughes was dangerous and, on occasions, did his
own bit of barging into anything that resembled a white shirt.  Palmer
was having none of it, thankfully! 

The majority of chances in the second half came to MUFC, but they
were mostly half chances.  I think we can count ourselves lucky to
have escaped when McClair shot across an open goal from a Cole lay
off.  Lukic was nowhere to be seen, and must have breathed a huge sigh
of relief seeing McClair's shot go past his right hand post.  Cole had
a few half chances.  Nothing fell to Hughes, and Ince drove over the
bar during one other goalmouth melee.  

At the other end, Wallace (when he wasn't falling over himself) nearly
contrived to chip over Schmiceal from an almost impossible angle.  I
don't think it was a cross...when was the last time Wallace passed to
a player in a better position in the penalty area?  Yeboah had two
shots over the bar, and, on another occasion, Schmiceal nearly drove the
ball off Palmer and into his own net.  Deane tried hard on the wing,
but one felt that he could be there all day trying to get past the two
full backs, and never quite succeed.  Lukic punched the ball more,
yesterday, than I had seen him do before.  He completely missed a
cross at one stage.  It proceeded to bounce along the goal line, and
eventually away to safety. 

Wetherall deserved MOTM, but I was surprised he got it, since there
were obviously many superior MUFC players on the park yesterday ;-). 

It was great at the end, when the camera panned across the sea of red
shirts.  They were - to a man - dumbfounded that their heroes hadn't
put the leg over Leeds again.  On the pitch the Leeds players were
hugging and "high fiving" each other.  At no time during the match did
I see any Leeds fans in the stadium.  Where were they? I understand
MUFC only gave us something like 2K tickets.

                           James.
33.1776UEFA still a possibilityGIDDAY::PARSONSBugs - R - Us Fri Apr 07 1995 06:458
    
    
    Leeds 4 Ipswich 0
    
    Yeboah 3, Speed
    
    First hat-trick, 10 from 10 now.  All we need is Man Utd to win the
    FA Cup and stay ahead of Spurs.
33.1777MARVIN::MORRELLThis is the rhythm of the night....Fri Apr 07 1995 12:568
    
    >Note 437.1685                                      
    >
    >                Leeds           6-0     Blackburn
    
    	Thats what I like to see.. a man with confidence... :->>>
    
    Rick.
33.1778Rick, check out 437.1680 ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONBenny the BallFri Apr 07 1995 12:581
    
33.1779Another Nigel specialXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Apr 07 1995 13:30192
From:	XSTACY::VBORMC::"nigelb@gptcsta.demon.co.uk" "Nigel Barber"  6-APR-1995
18:18:29.92
To:	leeds-united@vax.ox.ac.uk
CC:	
Subj:	LU: I am happy ('til the next match)

At last, my own personal goal drought has been ended. Last night I saw my
first live Leeds goals since November. I was beginning to be convinced 
that I had become the ultimate bringer of bad luck - just look at my
record so far this season :

  Chelsea (h)   2-3
  Man City (h)  2-0
  Forest (h)    1-0
  Newcastle (h) 0-0
  Wednesday (h) 0-1
  Forest (a)    0-3
  Ipswich (h)   4-0

Well at least noone can accuse me of cherry picking my fixtures.


SLEEPWALKING TO VICTORY
 
   by Nigel Barber.


This was a match we had to win; we needed the points desperately to
keep our European hopes alive and losing twice in a season to the
team with the worst defensive record in the league would make us a
laughing stock.

As the teams came out to warm up, I realised that there were no surprises
in selection (not that I expected any). The team line up looked vaguely
like this:

                    John "Tommy" Lukic

    Hibernian Gary    Wethereverything     Pembookable    Turbo Tony

                       Inspector Gadget

    Rodney     His Holy Maccaness     The girly's fave    Deanoid

                 The minor deity, Tony Yeboah

The bench warmers and gum chewers were: Beeney, Couzens and big Noel.

Down on the field, Big Leeee was warming up with Ipswich and received
a hearty round of applause from the crowd which he thankfully
acknowledged. Of course if he scored against us, we would all hate the
bastard's guts, but that's football.

After the usual mascot interviews and other miscellaneous fripperies we
were off........

OK, I am not going to give much detail on the 'action' as the team's
performance, to be honest, was not one of the best. Instead I will
follow the tabloid practice of goal reports, with the added novelty
of Batman-style sound effects.

KAPOWWW! The ball breaks to Macca who runs at the defence as they sit
back like frightened rabbits, with Yeboah waiting on the shoulder of
one of the blue back four. Everyone in the stadium can see what is 
coming next bar the opposition defenders. Yeboah moves to break and
Macca produces the perfect through ball. The Ghanaian cooly rounds
the keeper and slots it into the back of the net. Cue David Coleman,
"Yeboaahhh......one-nil!".

KERBOSH! Hot Rod has the ball on the right of the penalty area, he
beats a few defenders and slots throught a great ball which Speed
runs onto and beats Forrest with a low, angled drive. 2-0

ZOWWWIE! Big lumbering Brian has the ball, he finds Yeboah in the 
area and he does what comes naturally. 3-0.

KERDOWNYOUGO! Dorigo makes a run forward on the left, he puts in a
cross which Yeboah brings down beautifully and hits low and true into
the net. 4-0.


At half time my friend was confident that more goals would follow in
the second half. I however, being a wise old buzzard, said that first
half goal fests usually lead to sterile, strike free, second halves.


The second half began, with Andy Couzens replacing Gary Kelly at right
back; I hope it is nothing serious. The crowd wanted more, but Mad
Howard had obviously instructed his troops to take it easy, and so
they did. The main incidents in this half were two dubiously disallowed 
goals from Wallace and Macca and Yeboah (who else) hitting the crossbar
with a header. Not much else, really.

The final whistle went, with no more goals being scored. Told you so.


Right, player appraisals.

John Lukic. Not the busiest night of his career. Held on a few shots well
and made a fine save at the feet of an opposing player in the first half.

Gary Kelly. Usual stuff from the lad, except that his game was cut short.
As I write this I am unsure why.

Andy Couzens. Did an adequate job of replacing Kelly, although defending
against Ipswich is hardly the test of a player.

David Wetherall. Another solid performance, the only thing that lets him
down is his lack of pace.

John Pemberton. I can see the headline, "Leeds central defender in two
match unbooked run shock". Seriously, he was a bit sloppy at times and
could have been punished by a better team. On the plus side he played
some superb cross-field diagonal passes out to Deane which was one of
our major outlets. It's funny, we are conditioned in this country to
expect so little from our central defenders.

Tony Dorigo. Not really challenged that often. To me, he still lacks
confidence to really blaze forward; you often see him hesitate with
the ball, as the crowd screams at him to press on. Temporary I'm sure.

Carlton Palmer. As the cravate wearing gentlemen sat next to me said,
as he peered admiringly through his opera glasses, "Ah, such grace, poise
and elegance. He reminds me of Nuryev at his peak". Perhaps not.
In reality Carlton did his usual thang, i.e. tackled like a hero and
passed like a villain.

Rod Wallace. An under utilised player last night; he seemed to spend
long stretches of time stood out in acres of space while noone had
to ability to deliver to ball to him to use the room. He seemed to stay
on his feet much longer though - things are looking up.

Gary McAllister. The usual captains performance - he was everwhere as
usual. This is one of our major problems; Macca should not feel the 
need to come so deep to fetch the ball - lesser minions (i.e. Palmer)
should do his fetching and carrying. If we could only get that sorted
out, the world would be at our feet.

Gary Speed. The problem with Gary Speed is that he is a skillful, talented
player that has forgotten how to do the simple things. Instead of a simple
pass, he will try some fancy chest down and fail. The crowd will then
get on his back. Still, he finished his goal with Yeboah-like aplomb.

Brian Deane. Good in the air, average on the ground. Just about good
enough all round to keep his place, no better.

Tony Yeboah. Not bad, I suppose.

Tony Yeboah (properly this time). A supreme display of finishing, he
simply does not miss. However, I feel I must tell the whole tale, as
at present his link up play with the rest of the team is less than
perfect. Yeboah himself admitted this in an interview in Wednesday's
YEP (in which he also dismisses rumours that he wants to leave, hurray!)
and said that he is looking forward to pre-season training with the
team so he can fully develop an understanding with his team mates.
If the Ghanaian God can add good build-up play to his awesome finishing
we will have some very happy times ahead indeed. I have my fingers
permanently crossed (so it's taking me hours to type this in).


So there you have it; a less than inspiring team performance but a
superb result - four goals, a clean sheet, a Yeboah hat trick and
no bookings. Coming back down to earth, our next match is away at
Liverpool and we will have to raise our game several notches if we
are to have any chance of winning, Tony Y. or no Tony Y.


     Nigel Barber (who can now tell his grandkids he was there when
                   Tony Yeboah scored his first of fifty hat tricks 
                   for Leeds)


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33.1780A win at Anfield!!!!!GIDDAY::PARSONSBugs - R - Us Mon Apr 10 1995 10:4011
    
    Liverpool  0  Leeds United  1
    
                  Deane
    
    At last! a win at Anfield.  First since 1972 I think.
    As long as Man Utd get past Palace in the replay and win the FA Cup
    we're on our way to Europe.
    
    4 points from Old Trafford and Anfield in 8 days.  It's not often
    we've been able to say that.  :-) 
33.1781MARVIN::MORRELLNooooooo I shall believe.....Mon Apr 10 1995 13:126
    Where is CUNNO when you need him!!!!!
    
    A good result... looks like we could really make it into Europe this
    year...
    
    Rick.
33.1782like a rashCOMICS::HAWLEYII...AM...A...HORSE!Mon Apr 10 1995 13:335
    
    Hmmm...hope you do make it into Europe, Rick.
    As the saying goes though: "we were all over ya"
    
    Ian.
33.1783Mr Statistics at your serviceXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Mon Apr 10 1995 13:4545
Re: Liverpool 0-1 Leeds

Since our last victory in 1971-72 we've played them 14 times in the
league at Anfield and have only gleaned 3 draws (and 11 defeats). Upto
yesterday we hadn't scored in our previous 7 visits and had scored
only twice in the 14 games since we won there last.  Very depressing
reading! 

To the stats:

93-94	0-2
92-93 	0-2
91-92	0-0 (league champions)
90-91	0-3
...
81-82	0-3
80-81	0-0
79-80	0-3
78-79	1-1
77-78	0-1
76-77	1-3
75-76	0-2
74-75	0-1
73-74	0-1 (league champions)
72-73	0-2
71-72	2-0 [1 Jan 1972 - Clarke, Jones scorers HT 0-0]

Our overall record at Anfield is now:

 P  W  D  L  F  A
41  5 10 26 24 71

*I* think this victory is on a par with the September win against the 
MUFC and breaks one of the last hoodoos the team has in this
re-incarnation in the top flight.  One of the other major bogeys still 
left to break is to win in East Anglia (either Ipswich or Norwich).  
We mightn't have to worry about this one next year as both these teams
will probably be playing in the first division next term. 

I will enjoy this victory very much as we've got more than our fair
share of red scouse fans around here, many of whom weren't born when
Leeds last won there.

                          James.

33.1784Match report - unbiasedXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Mon Apr 10 1995 13:49134
From:	XSTACY::VBORMC::"Jon@etrigan.demon.co.uk" "MAIL-11 Daemon" 10-APR-1995
01:47:28.39
To:	leeds-united@vax.ox.ac.uk
CC:	
Subj:	LU: Liverpool report & stuff

Liverpool 0, Leeds 1.

Hard to believe, I know, but we've actually managed to win at Anfield.

I'm sure that when I read the papers tomorrow, there will be plenty of
reports saying how lucky we were, and that Liverpool had so much pressure
and were unlucky not to get a draw. Well, I was there, and I'm sure that
most of the other people who were there will join with me in reading those
reports and loudly exclaiming "BOLLOCKS!".

This was a classic Leeds performance with every player contributing
to a magnificent and entertaining victory. Liverpool did have some chances,
but were mostly restricted to long range shots, and the best of those
didn't come until the final minutes when Kennedy, the new signing from
Millwall brought out a brilliant save from Lukic to turn away a 30-yard
screamer. Rush and Fowler barely got a look in, and when they did, they
never really troubled Lukic. McManaman tried his luck down both wings,
but he got no change from Dorigo and Kelly; he tried the centre, but found
Pembo & Wetherall to be equally impassable.

And all the while, we kept on attacking. We never really managed to produce
those periods of sustained bombardment of the box that we used to do, but
with fast breaks from the back, Yeboah's genius at holding the ball when
being challenged by 3 Scousers, Macca's ability to spray the ball 50 yards
across field to Wallace, and the sheer enthusiasm and aggression of Speed
and Deano, we always looked dangerous. Speaking of aggression, Deano
was booked for a little bout of handbags with Rob Jones - but the incident
started as a result of Deano working hard at the back, shepherding the
ball out while Jones tried to get to it.

And then we scored. Speed cut through the middle of the defence and made
James make a good save from his first shot. (I think he then had another shot
which was also saved) but Deano followed up the rebound and the Kop started
making even less noise than they had previously. In the second half, Leeds'
closest effort came as Macca won the ball from the defence and chipped
James from 25 yards, but the ball bounced off the crossbar just as we were
about to start really celebrating. As they pressed forward for an equaliser,
they were left more and more open at the back, and several times we were
let down by a poor cross or bad luck as Kelly, Wallace and Deane made
several good runs down the wings. After nearly 3 minutes of injury time,
the whistle went to give the travelling Whites the chance to cheer the team
off the pitch.

And what's more, the ref turned down two Liverpool penalty claims
(admittedly they were at our end, not in front of the Kop, and one was
for alleged handball after a Scouser kicked the ball at Dorigo from
6 inches away, but (without the benefit of a TV replay) I did think that
Carlton tripped Walters as he cut along the touchline).

Leeds:
Lukic: monstrously wonderful game - even his kicking seems to have improved.
Kelly: obviously not 100% fit, totally botched a couple of crosses when we
had men free, but gives it everything and you can't fault his attitude.
Dorigo: solid performance - didn't get forward much but was never really 
troubled by the opposition.
Pemb & Wetherall: totally solid - looking more and more like the Fairclough/
Whyte combination from the Championship (no, I don't mean they are getting
a suntan and losing their hair :-). Yeboah may have given us confidence up
front, but this pairing and Lukic seem to be coming to an understanding that
has been absent at the back for 2 years.
Palmer: nearly gave away a pen, but worked tirelessly to close down the
space in midfield. No complaints.
Speed: with Deano drifting to the left wing, our favorite male model has
been playing slightly more central - but seems to be applying himself much
more than he used to and seems to be enjoying it much more.
McAllister: G*dlike genius that we cannot afford to lose at any price. If
they sell him, I want to be at the head of the queue to assasinate Silver
& Fotherby.
Deano: he may not have scored many this season, and he may not be the most
skilful player ever to have pulled on the number 9 shirt for Leeds, but he
has shown more guts than most and anyone who says that a player who scores
the winner against the Scouse & the Scum is a failure should be taken out
and shot.
Wallace: despite an occasional tendency to leave the ball behind him while
beating three players, like the rest of the team he appears to have regained
the confidence in his own ability - he was always available in wide positions
to draw the defence and make holes for others. Sound.
Yeboah Yeboah Yeboah: Crap. Failed to score. Whoops, sorry, being in the
presence of the Chapman/Deane/Wallace-hating boo boys has taken its toll.
Ran like a demon, covered huge amounts of ground, strong as an ox, <continues
praising Yeboah for 5 pages>...but looked very tired by the end of the game -
hardly surprising when you consider what he did.

Beeney/Whelan/Worthington: very impressive warm-ups.

Wilko: it must be said that the last month or so has started rubbing away
at my anti-Wilko feelings, and (despite the setback at Forest) he has made
3 excellent decisions:
1. Buy Yeboah. Nuff said.
2. Play the players in the right positions.
3. Not changing the formation and line-up every game - consistency won us
   the title - playing 20 different defensive combinations nearly got us
   relegated.
The fact is that at long last, the team appears to have found the self-belief
and willingness to fight for each other that have been missing for so long,
and I suppose that if we blamed Wilko when it wasn't there, we can't totally
deny him any credit for its return.

I've got to end on a downer here - what the hell is it with the twats singing
"Spurs are on their way to Belsen" ? This makes the Munich chant sound like
a Christmas Carol and should be stamped on now. The sick bastards singing
it should be kicked out and told to take their anti-semitic attitudes to
a BNP meeting so we know where to find them when we want to give someone
a justified kicking.


Jon - dithering at the exit of the Anti-Wilko HQ.

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33.1785MARVIN::MORRELLNooooooo I shall believe.....Mon Apr 10 1995 14:043
    Bring on Blackburn.. :->
    
    Rick.
33.1786XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Mon Apr 10 1995 19:157
Pemberton is king...

Wetherall is king...

Palmer is king...

Yeboah is GOD...
33.1787CHEFS::EDWARDSDMon Apr 10 1995 19:249
    >>    Pemberton is king...
    >>    Wetherall is king...
    >>    Palmer is king...
    >>    Yeboah is GOD...
    
	Hmmmm - did you think of this note all by yourself, or did 
    	somebody help you ?
    
    	
33.1788CHEFS::GEORGEMCannibalise LegalbisMon Apr 10 1995 19:261
So God's black, is he?  That should f**k 2000 years of christianity up...
33.1789At least he's not a womanXSTACY::PHAYDENMon Apr 10 1995 20:010
33.1790MARVIN::MORRELLNooooooo I shall believe.....Tue Apr 11 1995 23:123
    And at least he doesn't support ManU... 
    
    Rick.
33.1791Yeboah.. Yeboah... Yeboah... Yeboah...MARVIN::MORRELLNooooooo I shall believe.....Tue Apr 18 1995 12:3022
33.1792MARVIN::MORRELLNooooooo I shall believe.....Thu Apr 27 1995 12:377
    Excellent cross from Macca for the second goal... he's in really good
    form at the moment.... lets hope Scotland qualify... I'd love to see
    England vs Scotland in the final... 
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.1793Not good, but 3 pointsGIDDAY::PARSONSBugs - R - Us Mon May 01 1995 04:3811
    
    Leeds United  1  Aston Villa  0
    
    Not a great performance, I listened to this live on the radio with 3
    Villa fans ;-)  I felt sorry for them.  Palmer scored in the 90th after
    Bosnich was sent-off a few minutes earlier.  Villa deserved a 
    draw at least.  We'll have to improve to overtake Newcastle.  At least
    they seem out of form, and they have Spurs H and Blackburn A as their
    next two games.  A draw with Spurs would probably be the best result
    as Spurs are currently 6 behind with a game in hand, but a worse goal
    difference.
33.1794We will sing our own song....MARVIN::MORRELLNooooooo I shall believe.....Mon May 01 1995 12:4616
    Hey.. there are only 2 points between us & Newcastle now... we should
    have a definate win against Norwich next week... although Crystal
    Palace could be a tough match later this week....
    
    Newcastle seem to be having a bit of a wobble at the moment... looks
    like they won't qualify for Europe after all if they carry on like
    this... *:->
    
    Well I've got my tickets for the Norwich & the Tottenham games... so
    I'll be able to wave Klinsmann goodbye on the last game of the season..
    as he leaves for Bayern Munich.. :->
    
    Cheers,
    
    Rick.
    
33.1795XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue May 09 1995 18:486
Palace tonight!  What's the odds of Palmer popping up in the last
seconds to steal a third winner in a row?

Europe here we come!

                           James.
33.1796Another 2 home games, another 2 winsGIDDAY::PARSONSBugs - R - Us Wed May 10 1995 07:0620
    
    Leeds United  2  Norwich City  1
    
    McAllister (pen)
    Palmer
    
    
    Leeds United  3  Crystal Palace  1
    
    Yeboah 2
    Wetherall
    
    
    It's looking good.  4 wins in a row.  Palace are almost down, but they
    will have something to play for at Newcastle at the weekend.  No 91st
    minute winner from Palmer this time ;-)
    
    If Leeds don't lose .or. Newcastle don't win at the weekend then Leeds
    are in Europe.  We're at the heady position of 4th at the moment.
    If only the league season started in January.
33.1797Europe - here we come!XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed May 10 1995 18:569
After last night's result Europe is a distinct probability.  All we need is
a result at Spurs on Saturday.  Even if we don't, Newcastle have to beat 
Palace - a team that will be fighting for their lives - to go above us.  We
might even finish 4th, if Liverpool also slip up.

If we finish fourth, it'll be my *distinct pleasure* to cheer on Everton
in the Cup Final :-).

                           James.
33.1798MARVIN::MORRELLThese words... you will be mine.. all the time..Thu May 11 1995 12:0311
    Any Scouserville slipped up again... so if we win on Saturday we finish
    4th.... :->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
    
    >If we finish fourth, it'll be my *distinct pleasure* to cheer on
    >Everton in the Cup Final :-).
    
    	Have to agree with ya there James.... :->
    
     	Rick. ( Who is looking forward to the Totterningham
    	        match on Saturday... and personally wishing Klinnsman
    		a pleasant trip back to Munich... )             
33.1805XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu May 11 1995 17:4611
Re .1803

I have deleted the messages I entered this morning.  I didn't see 
anything wrong with them but I take you word that you saw
something offensive in them.

They were all decent reports of recent Leeds games FWIW!

Pity...

                          James.
33.1806UEFA Cup here we comeGIDDAY::PARSONSBugs - R - Us Mon May 15 1995 04:3914
    
    Spurs  1  Leeds United  1
    
    No details but we're in Europe.  :-)  Pity Liverpool won as they
    jump over us and we finish 5th.  Still we can all support Everton 
    on Saturday now.  ;-)
    
    Top 3 priorities for next season
    
    1. Keep Yeboah
    2. Keep Yeboah
    3. Keep McAllister
    
    
33.1807Europe... Europe.. here we come...MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United FC Greatest team in football the world has everseenMon May 15 1995 12:4310
    You forgot one.....
    
    	4. Keep Deano..... that must be the most important goal his ever
    			   scored... he's brilliant out on the wing...
                           
    
    	Cheers,
    
    		Rick.
    			 
33.1808From the Leeds Utd Mailing List....MARVIN::MORRELLHmmmmmm......Fri Jun 02 1995 16:278
    According to Sky Sports
    
    Yeboah has signed a 3.5 year contract with US.
    Fotherby has been told  this by Yeboah's financial advisor
    The signed contract is in the post.
    
    
    
33.1809VYGER::REIDICeltic FC Scottish Cup Champions 1995Fri Jun 02 1995 18:026
    
    >The signed contract is in the post.
    
    Be a shame if it got lost.....
    
    Choppers ;-)
33.1810MARVIN::MORRELLHmmmmmm......Fri Jun 02 1995 19:043
    It'll probably get redirected to Munich....
    
    	Rick.
33.1811XSTACY::FUNBOX::jLuNdOnhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Jun 02 1995 21:594
Believe nothing until he's seen playing in a Leeds shirt 
next February.

                         James.
33.1812MARVIN::MORRELLHmmmmmm......Sun Jun 04 1995 18:063
    Won't he play for us in Ireland if the deal goes through.....
    
    	Rick.
33.1813Same old rumours, year after yearGIDDAY::PARSONSBugs - R - Us Wed Jun 07 1995 05:236
    
    Leeds have him under contract until January anyway.  So February
    will be the test.
    
    We haven't had much of the "McAllister to Rangers/Liverpool/anyone"
    this (northern) summer.  What's happening?
33.1814The Leeds players as cartoon characters....MARVIN::MORRELLHmmmmmm......Thu Jun 08 1995 14:3056
    
    From the Leeds Mailing List.... 
    
    Lukic - Ren (out of Ren and Stimpy).  As they say in the Houses of 
    Parliament, "The Eyes have it".
    
    Kelly - Speedy Gonzales.  Fast as flip and probably likes his cheese.
    
    Weathers - Wile E Coyote, sly and cunning, and probably plays with 
    his own Acme Chemistry Kit when he gets home (if his mum lets him).
    
    Pembo - Butch out of Tom and Jerry, hard, but with a caring side for 
    small puppies (which is why he gets on with Rodney).
    
    Dorigo - Road Runner.  Again fast as flip, but just like Road Runner, 
    if you chuck a packet of Acme Tony Seed onto the half way line, he'll 
    stop and peck it up every time.
    
    Carlton - Goofy.  The imagery says it all (but do you remember the 
    one where Goofy was the bloke driving to work, started out well, lost 
    his rag, fliped up a few times, then got there).
    
    Wallace - Tom the Cat.  Like Tom, well intentioned, but all his plans 
    somehow seem to come unstuck.  And I bet Hot Rod's mother twats him 
    when he gets home as well.  "RrrrooodddNEEEEYY"
    
    Macca - Sylvester.  Sly, devious, cunning, but not quite as furry.
    
    Speed - Daffy Duck.  Fancies himself too much and gives up too 
    easily.
    
    Deano - The Hooded Claw.  Starts out as Mr Nice guy, but suddenly 
    transforms into a football monster.
    
    Yeboah - Popeye.  Reverse the forarms and legs, and there you have 
    it.
    
    Wilko - Elmer Fudd.  Can't decide whether it's "Cup Season, League 
    Season, Cup Season, League Season... League Season, Cup Season, 
    League Season, Cup Season". OR
    Clunk (out of Stop the Pidgeon).  "BrrrrRRRaacck Pow WOP WIP 
    Tthheewwwp wew-wew-wew-wew PIDGEON"
    
    Subs
    
    Whelan, Tinkler, Sharp, Masinga, Worthington, Fairclough. - The 
    Anthill Mob. "OK youzzz guyzzz, get off the bench power" "Herher her 
    her her, look it's the FA Cup again and we've drawn Mansfield and we're
    all 
    gonna die" "ZZZZzzzzzzzz" "Pockets, youzzz gotta magic "we can 
    actually sign sumbody" pen in there"
    
    Bill Fotherby - Penelope Pitstop.  "Heeyyalp, heeyyalp, it the liddle 
    owld negotiadin room, and I don't know jerst what to doowa".
    
                                                                   
33.1815Fixtures 95-96 (from Electronic Telegraph)OZROCK::OSMANThu Jun 22 1995 06:39112
AUGUST

Wed 16		Coca-Cola Cup (1st rd, 1st leg)
Sat 19	(a)	West Ham
Tue 22	(H)	LIVERPOOL
Wed 23		Coca-Cola Cup (1st rd, 2nd leg)
Sat 26	(H)	ASTON VILLA
Wed 30	(a)	Southampton

------------------------------------------------------

SEPTEMBER

Wed  6		ENGLAND vs Croatia
Sat  9	(a)	Tottenham
Sat 16	(H)	QPR
Wed 20		Coca-Cola Cup (2nd rd, 1st leg)
Sat 23	(a)	Wimbledon
Sat 30	(H)	SHEFFIELD WED

------------------------------------------------------

OCTOBER

Wed  4		Coca-Cola Cup (2nd rd, 2nd leg)
Wed 11		NORWAY vs England
Sat 14	(H)	ARSENAL
Sat 21	(a)	Man City
Wed 25		Coca-Cola Cup (3rd rd)
Sat 28	(H)	COVENTRY

------------------------------------------------------

NOVEMBER

Sat  4	(a)	Middlesbrough
Sat 11		FA Cup (1st rd)
Wed 15		ENGLAND vs Switzerland
Sat 18	(H)	CHELSEA
Wed 22	(a)	Nottm Forest
Sat 25	(a)	Newcastle
Wed 29		Coca-Cola Cup (4th rd)

------------------------------------------------------

DECEMBER

Sat  2	(H)	MAN CITY
		FA Cup (2nd rd)
Sat  9	(H)	WIMBLEDON
Wed 13		International (TBD)
Sat 16	(a)	Sheffield Wed
Sat 23	(H)	MAN UTD
Tue 26	(a)	Bolton
Sat 30	(a)	Everton

------------------------------------------------------

JANUARY

Mon  1	(H)	BLACKBURN
Sat  6		FA Cup (3rd rd)
Wed 10		Coca-Cola Cup (Qtr-finals)
Sat 13	(H)	WEST HAM
Sat 20	(a)	Liverpool
Wed 24		International (TBD)
Sat 27		FA Cup (4th rd)

------------------------------------------------------

FEBRUARY

Sat  3	(a)	Aston Villa
Wed  7		International (TBD)
Sat 10	(H)	SOUTHAMPTON
Wed 14		Coca-Cola Cup (Semi-finals, 1st leg)
Sat 17	(H)	TOTTENHAM
		FA Cup (5th rd)
Wed 21		Coca-Cola Cup (Semi-finals, 2nd leg)
Sat 24	(a)	QPR

------------------------------------------------------

MARCH

Sat  2	(H)	BOLTON
Sat  9	(a)	Man Utd
		FA Cup (6th rd)
Sat 16	(H)	EVERTON
Sat 23	(a)	Blackburn
Sun 24		Coca-Cola Cup (Final)
Wed 27		International (TBD)
Sat 30	(H)	MIDDLESBROUGH
		FA Cup (1st Semi-finals)
Sun 31		FA Cup (2nd Semi-finals)

------------------------------------------------------

APRIL

Sat  6	(a)	Arsenal
Mon  8	(H)	NOTTM FOREST
Sat 13	(a)	Chelsea
Wed 24		International (TBD)
Sat 27	(H)	NEWCASTLE

------------------------------------------------------

MAY

Sat  4	(a)	Coventry
Sat 11		FA Cup (Final)
33.1816are they in copa america too?AIMTEC::WICKS_AAtlanta's Most (In)famous WelshmanFri Jun 23 1995 07:525
    some tough games for leeds there - imagine having to play all the
    international games as well as their regular fixtures (:==:)
    
    Leeds v Sheffield == Croatia v Macedonia
    
33.1817Busy years ahead for WilkoGIDDAY::PARSONSBugs - R - Us Mon Jun 26 1995 03:5514
    
    Yes, Leeds have entered the Copa America, and Serie A in Italy,
    they are also providing the UN Peacekeeping force in Sarajevo
    and are standing against John Major for the UK Prime Minister's 
    job.  They have also offered a home for Shell's oil rigs, and have
    suggested Old Trafford as an alternative location for French nuclear
    testing.  Australia, New Zealand and Greenpeace have all endorsed this 
    alternative location.
    
    Next year they plan to colonise Mars and then move on to the outer
    planets like Jupiter, Saturn and Highbury.
    
    I'll have to stop drinking so much coffee in the morning ...
                
33.1818More transfer news ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONI'm not long for this worldTue Jul 18 1995 12:416
    
    	It said on the news this morning that Leeds are trying to sign
    Jonah Lomu.
    
    E.I.Addio (the man on the terraces with the mac and the Curly-Wurly)
    
33.1819Further News....XSTACY::PHAYDENTue Jul 18 1995 15:148
Robbie has left the famous team Take That.

Joe Royal has finally got his man.

He'd seemingly never seen him play but was assured that he was a 
top scorer with some nice moves and well able to get into any tight box.

Peter.
33.1820YUPPY::OHAGANBTue Jul 18 1995 16:492
    
    Gratuitous Fnaars all round.
33.1821Too many handballs ...OZROCK::OSMANArif OsmanWed Jul 19 1995 05:024
That transfer news is about rugby not football.
He's the New Zealand chappie who rang past all
the English defenders in the recent World Cup
in South Africa.
33.1822!KERNEL::WITHALLGUVOWed Jul 19 1995 15:421
    
33.1823Whoosh!YUPPY::OHAGANBWed Jul 19 1995 16:071
    
33.1824Huh?XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Jul 19 1995 17:230
33.1825Enough with the one word answers already ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONI'm not long for this worldWed Jul 19 1995 17:3610
    
    	I'd like to thank Mr Osman for clearing up the transfer speculation
    referred to in .1818. I automatically but mistakenly assumed that they
    meant Leeds (Leeds Leeds) UNITED were trying to procure the services
    of the gentleman previously mentioned.
    
    	What a silly sausage I am.
    
    Frank Carson again.
    
33.1826XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Jul 19 1995 17:4111
Re: Lomu

We could always do with a little more strength at the back but since
Lomu doesn't have a defensive hair in his head, he wouldn't be much 
good to us there.

He might add a little needed steel in the middle though with those
darting runs.  One problem: Wilko would have to teach him not to
pick the ball off the floor

                               James.
33.1827Playing a wide game...VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Wed Jul 19 1995 17:465
    Careful Liverpool don't move in for him...imagine trying to outflank a
    midfield of messrs. Barnes, Molby and Lomu (plus Ronnie Whelan, back to
    play out his career at Anfield).
    
    Dom
33.1828CHEFS::GEORGEMlived eht pihsroWWed Jul 19 1995 17:483
re .1826

He managed it with Lucic...
33.1829XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Jul 19 1995 21:367
Re -1

> "lived eht pihsroW"

doG si okliW

                              .semaJ
33.1830XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Mon Jul 24 1995 17:389
Jobson's transfer has fallen through.  Was it the medical I wonder?

I see Mr. Humphries in The Irish Times had a long article about it 
this morning!

If it appears on their WWW site tomorrow (one day behind usually),
I'll post it to the notesfile.

                           James.
33.1831MARVIN::MORRELLHmmmmmm......Mon Jul 24 1995 20:178
    >Jobson's transfer has fallen through. 
    
    Good.... sounds like we were just about to waste 1,000,000 quid yet
    again on a player who wann't upto Premiership football....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    		Rick.
33.1832CHEFS::GEORGEMlived eht pihsroWMon Jul 24 1995 20:184
>>>sounds like we were just about to waste 1,000,000 quid yet again on a player 
>>>who wann't upto Premiership football

The perfect Leeds United signing, surely.
33.1833MARVIN::MORRELLHmmmmmm......Mon Jul 24 1995 20:205
    Unfortunately, I have to agree with you Matt... 
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.1834All his dogs are not on the same leash ...OZROCK::OSMANArif OsmanTue Jul 25 1995 05:5011
A much debated issue, but rears it's head again.
Facts have to be faced - Wilko doesn't play with
a full deck of cards when it comes to the transfer
market.

Apparently, the Jobson deal is on ice coz he can't
agree personal terms - at 32, I'd shut up and put
my thumb print on the contract! From Leeds' perspective,
a blessing in disguise if he doesn't sign.

--arif
33.1835MARVIN::MORRELLHmmmmmm......Tue Jul 25 1995 12:026
    Well according to Ceefax it was due to Jobson having a blood disorder
    which may effect his fintness in the future.
    
    	Cheers,
    
    		Rick.
33.1836News just in...XSTACY::PHAYDENTue Jul 25 1995 14:568
Wilko foiled in transfer bid when the medical revealed 
the player to a Vampire.

Maybe that's why he reckons it's a good deal after all. He'll
probably get another 400 years out of him unless Cantona drives a boot
through his heart.

No surprise there then.
33.1837MARVIN::MORRELLHmmmmmm......Tue Jul 25 1995 16:245
    >Cantona
    
    	Who's he then???
    
    	Rick.
33.1838re. 1836YUPPY::OHAGANBTue Jul 25 1995 16:581
    Arf! Arf! Excellent.
33.1839MARVIN::MORRELLHmmmmmm......Tue Jul 25 1995 17:205
    Well according to the internet Leeds are now after Mark Wright....
    
    God.. this goes from bad to worse...
    
    	Rick.
33.1840I'm feeling generousFORTY2::FOWLERMKylie fan clubTue Jul 25 1995 18:507
I don't think you're being entirely fair to Mark Wright there. He had a corking
World Cup, and was then sold to a team managed by Graeme Souness. Maybe it was
just el Crappo Sourpuss who ruined a once promising defender. You'll probably
get him cheap because of his wage bill, and he'll be, at worst, good cover for
your existing pairing of centre backs.

Mike
33.1841VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Tue Jul 25 1995 19:427
    re: -1
    Couldn't agree more. Go and ask Ruud Gullit (amongst others) what he
    thinks of Mark Wright.
    
    The worst thing I could say about him is that he's the wrong side of 30.
    
    Dom 
33.1842CHEFS::STRATFORDSDisconnect brain from mouthTue Jul 25 1995 19:488
    Dom,
    
    >The worst thing I could say about him is that he's the wrong side of
    >30.
    
    Erm, what about he's ginger-haired?
    
    Stuart
33.1843No gingers allowedFORTY2::FOWLERMKylie fan clubTue Jul 25 1995 20:257
>>>Erm, what about he's ginger-haired?


Urk, I'd forgotten about that. Ignore my previous note. Wright is crap and
deserves to be shot. At the very least. 8-)

Mike
33.1844Rules out Boniek, Billy Bremner and Sammer too...VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Tue Jul 25 1995 20:3614
>>Erm, what about he's ginger-haired?
    
>Urk, I'd forgotten about that. Ignore my previous note. Wright is crap and
>deserves to be shot. At the very least. 8-)
    
    Point taken. 
    
> No gingers allowed.
    
    ...unless they look like Susan Sarandon in "Bull Durham". Mind you,
    she's the wrong side of 40 (alledgedly).
    
    Dom
    
33.1845Everybody off to 79 ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONDeath by Bongo BongoTue Jul 25 1995 20:538
    
    > Rules out Boniek, Billy Bremner and Sammer too...
    
    	And their own beloved Gordon Strachan as well. This discussion has
    potential of being worthy of the Bristol City note, folks.
    
    Malc.
    
33.1846Have headache, need aspirinOZROCK::OSMANArif OsmanThu Jul 27 1995 09:5711
According to FuturNet, QPR are interetsed in procuring Deano
as a replacement for Ferdinand. Fartby told them to lay off.
He said "... he had a difficult time when he first joined, but
had an excellent season last year". Was Fartby talking about
his performance on the pitch?

Any news about Aspirin? I thought the Colombian's pimp was
going to have talks with Fartby during Leeds' South African
tour.

--arif
33.1847IRNBRU::HOWARDLovely day for a GuinnessThu Jul 27 1995 13:1312
    .1846
    
    aarrrgghhhhhh!!!!
    
    
    
    please don't sell us Deano!!!!
    
    we'll pay you to keep him!!!!
    
    Ray....(up the R's)
         
33.1848XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Jul 27 1995 14:428
Re: Deane

If we are to part with Deane we'll want more than 3 million.

IMO Deane did very well for Leeds and has got a lot of totally 
undeserved criticism :-(.

                           James.
33.1849Where's Bob Geldof when you need him?OZROCK::OSMANArif OsmanFri Jul 28 1995 06:357
Electronic Telegraph reports that Leeds' attempt to sign Asprilla
may flounder. Parma are refusing to drop their asking price of
6.5M (UK stg) - Leeds want to pay around 4.5M.

Ah well, we were kept amused while it lasted.

--arif
33.1850Finished last, Wetherall sent offOZROCK::OSMANArif OsmanTue Aug 01 1995 05:3112
From FutureNet:

Leeds finished last in the 4 team tournament in S Africa.
Benfica beat Leeds 6-5 on penalties after 0-0 draw.
David Wetherall received 2 bookings, hence sent off.
FA awaiting referee's report, but more than likely that
Wetherall will receive a 1-match suspension - that means
he will miss opener at Upton Park.

Hope this is not a sign of things to come ...

--arif
33.18511st summer signingOZROCK::OSMANArif OsmanThu Aug 03 1995 06:577
Electronic Telegraph reports that Leeds have signed
Paul Beesley from Sheffield Utd for half a million.

With Radebe injured, and O'Leary unfit, Beesley will
act as cover for Wetherall and Pemberton.

--arif
33.1852Made up for THAT match of the seventies.......CHEFS::CROSSAFri Aug 18 1995 15:0554
    Very quiet in here so let us cast our minds back a few years...........
     
    I see a pitch. Oxford Utd currently lead the SECOND division and are
    facing a team at their home ground. Who could they be ???? Well there's
    Peter Lorimer and Co so it must be the Mighty Leeds. What SECOND
    division I hear you wail. Unfortunately my vision for the beginning of
    the game is too hazy, but normal service is resumed soon and the score
    stands at 2-1 to the Leeds (Leeds Leeds). O.K Should be able to hold
    onto this then, I mean we are Leeds etc etc . But who is gangly youth
    with the silly caterpiller type thing under his nose. Why none other
    than John (I look silly with this tache at this age) Aldridge. Anyway
    things are under control as far as Leeds are concerned until Mr Tache
    pops up on the end of a cross and suddenly it is 2-2 . Oxford anoraks R
    us go mental. Leeds are visibly not chuffed. Who said they could do
    that ? Oh well on with our dominence 'cos We Are Leeds !!!. Leeds are on
    the attack well into the Oxford half....ball is intercepted and a
    pinpoint pass through the Leeds find them stranded Oxford surge
    forward, another cross, and lo, there is Mr Tache again 3-2. Well this
    is taking the mickey. I know, lets have a go at the Tache for his
    audacity. Lorimer gets into a tussle and a blatant piece of shirt
    pulling/arm grabbing from Lorimer results in Lorimer going for his
    equity card with full rolling around etc etc Just because he got
    Aldridges elbow in his face !!! Well that was a bit unfair say the
    Leeds as they attack the Tache. Ref walks over, and by now the John
    Gielgud(sp) of Leeds is up and remonstrating (he was very restrained
    actually considering his lips were inflating at about 15 psi per 10
    seconds due to the elbow) with the man in black. No probs, justice will
    prevail 'cos We are Leeds !!! And the considered opinion of the ref is
    .........Lorimer must go !!!! What ???? mouths Lorimer like some landed
    fish . What say the rest of the Leeds ???? Well we, the reasonable
    Leeds(leeds leeds) fans must have our say on this. Result of this being
    assorted seats, poles, missiles start appearing  from the Leeds end.
    Should we stop the game ask the Leeds players, hoping to save face. NO
    says the ref, we shall continue. Oh goody says the Tache and proceeds to
    score another goal after going through to end up one on one with the
    poor goalie. 4-2. Blinkin Flip, What on earth is going on here !!!! The
    anoraks are going beeeezurk, although not quite as mental as the
    Leeds(leeds leeds) end. The final nail in the coffin was, I seem to
    remember another goal by the Tache. Cheeky B'Stards 5-2, This is not on
    at all.
    
    The whole enjoyable sight was rounded off with good old Chinny Hill
    speaking, from what I can remember, for the first, and last time with
    any accuracy when he called the Leeds (leeds leeds) fans mindless
    morons !!!!
    
    		Gloating_Stretch.
    
    P.S I have some hazy recollection of the reasonable Leeds fans going on
    a tour of Oxford. There walkabout resulted in most of the home counties
    declaring a state of emergency, hundreds of police swarming around the
    place, Reading and any other station between Leeds and Oxford being
    declared a No Go area. Smart stuff !!!!!    
                
33.1853Skegness, just south of Mozambique !!CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Fri Aug 18 1995 15:1210
    Hey Stretch,
    
    	Since when was Reading between Leeds and Oxford ??!! I suppose this
    lack of geographical knowledge is another reason why you support your
    home town team of Man Utd !!
    
    I don't know, kids these days just aren't getting the education !!
    
    
    Ian$wheres_your_blinkin_Team
33.1854Still no team name Ian !!!!CHEFS::CROSSAFri Aug 18 1995 15:4015
    Ian,
    
    Geography is not the reason Reading etc etc were facing the rampaging  
    hordes of Leeds (Leeds Leeds). It was all to do with them going back to
    London via Reading and other (now Network SE) Thames valley towns to
    catch trains back up North. This also happened a couple of years ago
    when the reasonable Leeds came back from Bournemouth and stoped off at
    Winchester and other stations to "discuss" their teams merits .
    
    Ref Man U fan in Reading. Something springs to mind about glass
    houses,stones etc. A Liverpool fan who was born there then are you Ian
    (Mc) Rutherford !!!! 
    
    				Stretch.
    
33.1855Cue Cockney Reds comments !CHEFS::EDWARDSDFri Aug 18 1995 15:443
    Don't forget that in the survey conducted by ??? last season, Leeds
    were shown to have the lowest percentage of fans to actually come from
    Leeds.  Therefore, they were probably just going home to London !
33.1856CHEFS::STRATFORDSEverybody was a BoxerFri Aug 18 1995 16:028
    re -1
    
    Dave,
    
    More revisionism from the MU fans. Don't tell me, MU had the highest %
    of fans that come from the place where club is based...
    
    Stuart
33.1857wish I was going tonight nowCOMICS::HAWLEYIMr Flibble says: Game over boysFri Aug 18 1995 16:097
    
    I dont know, if he's not fighting with Matt, he's fighting with Dave
    and not just in 1 note either...
    
    This Stratford lad is trouble and no mistake.
    
    Ian.
33.1858I support Rangers 'cos I don't live near themCHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Fri Aug 18 1995 16:1423
    
    Can I just clarify that I am a Glasgow Rangers fan. I was born just
    outside of Edinburgh, but the first football match that I was taken to
    see was Rangers v Sellick when I was 5 years old. Understandable when 
    you consider that my only other options were Hearts or Motherwell !! 
    I always will be a Rangers fan. However, I would like to see either 
    Newcastle or Liverpool win the English Premier League this Season. I am
    not a fan of Liverpool because I don't go to see any of their matches,
    or buy their duvet covers, but I like the players that they have bought
    and think that their Team will do well this Season. I am a fan of
    Rangers because I try and watch as many of their games as I can 
    (eg: vs Sampdoria in pre-Season), and I buy their merchandise. Can you
    tell me the last time you went to Old Trafford Stinky, oops Stretch ??
    Was it last year, the year before ??
    
    Anyway this note was just to put you straight on who I supported, as if
    you needed telling, and not to start a debate on what constitutes
    being a fan.
    
    
    		Ian$rattled_but_undeterred.
    
    PS. Stretch, have you thought of a team name yet !!
33.1859CHEFS::STRATFORDSEverybody was a BoxerFri Aug 18 1995 16:2113
    Mr Hawley,
    
    I haven't picked/had an argument with Matthew for months. As for Dave,
    well...
    
    Ian R,
    
    > Understandable when you consider that my only other options were
    >Hearts or Motherwell!!
    
    Hmmm, what was wrong with Hibs?
    
    Stuart
33.1860buffooneryCOMICS::HAWLEYIMr Flibble says: Game over boysFri Aug 18 1995 16:309
    
    > I haven't picked/had an argument with Matthew for months.
    
    I still have the emails in my mailbox, shall I post a selection?
    re: how much you and he look/act like "Elmo the televisual buffoon"
    
    :-)
    
    Ian.
33.1861Erm......CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Fri Aug 18 1995 16:345
    Stuart,
    
    	What's RIGHT with Hibs !!??!!
    
    Ian.
33.1862for Mr HawleyCHEFS::STRATFORDSEverybody was a BoxerFri Aug 18 1995 16:375
    Ian,
    
    That was joshing around. Are you sure you can't make it tonight?
    
    Stuart
33.1863Reasons to hate football fans - Part ICHEFS::EDWARDSDFri Aug 18 1995 17:209
    re:.1858
    
    Ian,
    
    Regardless of the team you follow, and the reasons for your allegiance
    to that team, I sincerely hope you're not one of these sad b*st*rds who
    wears a football shirt to the games.
    
    Dave
33.1864You're causing an allegience shift Dave.......CHEFS::CROSSAFri Aug 18 1995 17:246
    eerrr ref football shirts.......I would keep the reasons to hate fans
    part 1 quiet tonight Mr edwards !!!!
    
    
    		Flying_the_non_manc_colours_tonight_Stretch.
                          
33.1865IMHO of courseWSTENG::DSMITHFri Aug 18 1995 17:2814
    
    
    re last
     
    "I sincerely hope you're not one of these sad b*st*rds who wears a
    football shirt to the games."
    
    Not half as sad as all those t*ss*rs who wear football shirts while
    on holiday. Now, little kids under the age of 12 can get away with it,
    but sad overweight grown ups who wear football shirts really need to
    GET A F***ING LIFE. I've just returned from 2 weeks in Gran Canary and
    had a right gut laugh at all those sad people.
    
    Danny.
33.1866CHEFS::EDWARDSDFri Aug 18 1995 17:2812
    
    Don't desert me Stretch, I need all the allies I can find - but,  
    you're not seriously going to wear a Reading shirt !  I've just convinced
    Mike Fowler that it would be in particularly bad taste if he wore his
    Villa top.  Although Mr Stratford was very keen to see him in his Villa
    shorts.
    
    If it is a "wear your colours" night, just think what problems that
    causes me !  Red, black, blue&white, green&yellow, disgusting shades of
    grey - it's gonna take me an age to decide what to wear !
    
    
33.1867Reasons to hate football fans - Part IICHEFS::STRATFORDSEverybody was a BoxerFri Aug 18 1995 17:2910
    re -1
    
    The other thing that I hope Ian isn't, is one of those desperately
    sad little b*s*a*d* who swops his team several times throughout their
    lives whenever the popularity of his/her "new club" suits them or when
    their own personal circumstances dictate. Theres nothing worse than 
    someone who says "I used to be a fan of such and such but now I 
    support..." without giving a valid reason for doing so.
    
    Stuart
33.1868CHEFS::STRATFORDSEverybody was a BoxerFri Aug 18 1995 17:317
    re .1866
    
    Nope Monsieur Edwards, I was very keen *not* to see Mike in his Villa
    shorts. From what you have told me, if the food poisoning did make me
    heave again, the sight of Mike in his shorts would have...
    
    Stuart
33.1869CHEFS::GEORGEMI|c|e|l|a|n|dFri Aug 18 1995 17:546
I don;t trust Leeds.  I reckon they've got some kind of in-built self-destruct 
mechanism that could be fired at any time.  Just as they're progressing through 
the Premier league fairly comfortably, beating all the crap teams, suddenly, 
they'll become totally shite again.

Matt$ending_rathole
33.1870He's a nutter !CHEFS::EDWARDSDFri Aug 18 1995 17:583
    >I reckon they've got some kind of in-built self-destruct mechanism 
    
    I think you're referring to Howard Wilkinson !
33.1871You've got to be joking !!!CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Fri Aug 18 1995 18:1210
    Re: Stuart
    
    I can promise you that I have always followed my team, and not 
    started following them because of recent glories such as winning 
    the league. I have always followed Jedforest RFC, and that clearly
    shows that I don't follow teams because of success !!:-)
    
    
    Ian$starting_to_wish_that_he_was_going_tonight_to_watch_the_drama_unfold
    
33.1872CHEFS::EDWARDSDFri Aug 18 1995 18:248
    Mr Stratford,
    
    I know of at least one person, who regularly contributes to this
    conference,  who confessed to him that he changed teams because of his
    wife-to-be.  Far be it for me to reveal his name, but one of the many
    teams he has supported is Man Utd.
    
    
33.1873CHEFS::STRATFORDSEverybody was a BoxerFri Aug 18 1995 18:514
    Okay, its obvious that you want to spill yer guts (metaphorically) so
    we'll do it via a game of hangman.
    
    I'll get the ball rolling with an A.
33.1874fascinating FridayCOMICS::HAWLEYIMr Flibble says: Game over boysFri Aug 18 1995 18:532
    
    'E'
33.1875CHEFS::EDWARDSDFri Aug 18 1995 18:568
    Hang on chaps, lets get the grid sorted ...
    
    
    	____  _______
    
    With the letters received so far,
    
    	_A__ _A_E_A_
33.1876mCHEFS::STRATFORDSEverybody was a BoxerFri Aug 18 1995 18:581
    
33.1877CHEFS::EDWARDSDFri Aug 18 1995 19:017
    Gosh, you're good at this game Stuey.
    
    _A__ _A_EMA_
    
    ANybody else still awake ?!
    
    Another clue - he also confessed to "following" Liverpool as well.
33.1878I'll have an 'F' please BobCHEFS::STRATFORDSEverybody was a BoxerFri Aug 18 1995 19:086
    Dave,
    
    Are you making this up? Nobody could be that fickle. Both sets of Red
    Sh1te?
    
    Stuart
33.1879Glory-seekerCHEFS::EDWARDSDFri Aug 18 1995 19:114
    There's no F in his name.  Yes I am serious.  He moved to the
    Liverpool area and then started following the Red Sh**e.  From what he
    said, he supported Utd during the mid to late 60s, Liverpool through
    the 70s and early 80s and his new team since he met his missus.
33.1880ermm..how about 'P'YUPPY::ASHLEYSMITHknackered kneeFri Aug 18 1995 19:131
    
33.1881Ooh, Ooh, Mr Peevely, Mr Peevely, we know who it is!!!CHEFS::STRATFORDSEverybody was a BoxerFri Aug 18 1995 19:141
    
33.1882CHEFS::EDWARDSDFri Aug 18 1995 19:155
    inspired ...
    
    PA__ PA_EMA_
    
    nearly there.  Still time for you to confess if you're reading this ..
33.1883CHEFS::STRATFORDSEverybody was a BoxerFri Aug 18 1995 19:239
    Too late sunshine.
    
    PAUL PATEMAN, you have outted.
    
    Explain yourself, young man. Explain yourself.
    
    Hugs,
    
    Stuart
33.1884CHEFS::GEORGEMI|c|e|l|a|n|dFri Aug 18 1995 19:366
Paul Patemen?

Damn.  Too late.


Matt$knewallalong,honest.
33.1885Only when a very callow youth.....YUPPY::PATEMANCuore SportivoFri Aug 18 1995 20:2417
    I own up!
    
    In my rural youth I had a choice of Aldershot or Brentford as closest
    local team, in the age of Best, Charlton & Law, like many 10 year olds
    I followed Man U. At Liverpool Uni, I *WATCHED* both t'pool & Everton
    and being at that time mainly a cricket man, shouted for them at the
    games.
    
    However - at the age or 22, some >>>> years ago, I did indeed start to
    take an interest in the Palace courtesy of my wife & her family, and
    ever since they have been my only team.
    
    OK?
    
    Now can I get back to doing my forecast?
    
    paul
33.1886Yeboah to score 40+ goals this season!XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Mon Aug 21 1995 13:2296
Could this be Leeds' season?

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From:	XSTACY::VBORMC::"76571.3717@compuserve.com" "David J. Hudson" 20-AUG-1995 17:02:21.52
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Subj:	Shooting Star

YEBOAH READY TO BE LEEDS' SHOOTING STAR

   Tony Yeboah believes he can top the list of Premiership sharp-shooters this
season -- given the luck, service and support he enjoyed during a two-goal show
which floored West Ham at Upton Park yesterday. 
   The L3.4million Ghanian striker completed his move to Leeds this summer after
a highly-productive loan spell from Germany's Eintracht Frankfurt. 
   And, after grabbing both goals in the Yorkshiremen's 2-1 opening day success,
he said: "I've always scored lots of goals in my life because, when the chances
come, I'm ready and I stay cool -- a typical goalscorer. 
   "It is hard to predict how many you will score in a season because so many
factors are important. 
   "You need luck, the right kind of passes and the support of your team-mates
and the fans. But I will score as mamy as anybody -- if those things are all
there." 
   Statistics certainly back up Yeboah's claim. He hit 13 goals in 16 games to
help push Leeds into Europe at the end of last season and, if he continues that
ratio, he is well on target for the 37 which Blackburn's Alan Shearer grabbed
last term. 
      Yeboah admits he will need luck, but it is difficult to imagine him being
lucky enough to face a defence as generous as West Ham's every week. 

   He will, however, have the silver service of visionary Leeds skipper Gary
McAllister, and Yeboah says: "He passes the ball as well as anybody in the game
here. I always know he will make chances for me and others." 
   Hammers manager Harry Redknapp saw his side take a fifth-minute lead through
youngster Danny Williamson, but then watched Yeboah take them apart with two
stunning strikes in nine minutes after the break. 
   "We started well but then defended badly," admitted Redknapp, "Yeboah took
his chances well, but you would expect that from a top-class striker. 
   "The money Leeds  paid for him is peanuts by today's standards, but I only
wish I had it. 

   "Ours is all gone. We've bought two players in, moved three out and the books
are balanced. Now I've got to sell again before I can buy." 
   Leeds boss Howard Wilkinson claims his own transfer budget is also settled
after the completion of Yeboah's move -- and the L500,000 signing of defender
Paul Beesley from Sheffield United. 
   Wilkinson confirmed, however, that an offer for Parma's Columbian striker
Faustino Asprilla -- believed to be around L4million -- is still on the Italian
club's table. 
   He said: "As far as I know they haven't turned it down, but they haven't
accepted it either. 
   "If the lad is still available at the right price we will take him but all
these things are a big if ... hardly worth talking about." 
   Wilkinson has no doubts though that his signing of Yeboah is a real winner.
He said: "Everybody seems to have been paying L6million and L7million for
players this summer. Getting him for L3.4million is an unbelievable piece of
business." 
      Yeboah said: "I had to make a decision whether to stay with Leeds at the
end of my loan period, but there was never much doubt once we had qualified for
Europe. 

   "It seems everybody wants to play in Europe now which was not the case a few
years ago when there was a lot of kick and rush in the game. 
   "It has improved so much over the last couple of seasons and I find it much
easier playing here than in Germany." 

From Compuserve PA News

David
Vancouver


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33.188737 to goXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Aug 22 1995 16:1317
Incredible result for Leeds and what a goal by The Witness.  I think
Leeds deserved their win on the balance of play.  Liverpool look a very
good team and took an awful lot of beating.  Fortunately for Leeds, Yeboah
scored a goal from right out of the top drawer and were able to defend in
depth (and with a bit of luck).  Leeds had two good chances near the death
to seal the game (Deane's downward header and McAllister's side footer).
Liverpool had their own chances included Rush's tap around the post, the 
ball that hit the post and Fowler's shot that Lukic has to go full stretch 
to keep out.  On replay the incident with Perberton and Collymore was a
penalty but it makes up for the stitch-up job Elleray did to Leeds last year
when he gave MUFC a penalty for Deane bringing down Ince outside the area.
Swings and roundabout, I suppose.

                              James.

P.S. For those that are interested I'm currently modelling the latest Leeds 
home strip which I won last evening in a half-time raffle :-).
33.1888VANGA::GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Wed Aug 23 1995 21:1210
    
    1st half was a bit boring but Yeboah's strike early in the 2nd half
    changed all that. Trevor Francis said it was the best goal he'd ever
    seen and made Yeboah MOTH on the basis of it alone. It was a good stike
    - a volley from outside the box into the top right corner - James, who
    also had a good game, had no chance of stopping. Personally I think
    Colleymore's strike for Liverpool on Saturday was better - shame he
    left Forest. 
    
    JBG
33.1889RTOVC0::DCASSIDYWed Aug 23 1995 21:2015
    
    As they say ames ...what goes round comes round...Liverpool have had
    their luck with 'getting' penalties in the past....
    
    With the above mentioned strikers (Colleymore and Yeboah) along with
    the likes of Shearer, Le Tissier, Fedinand ...we could see a lot of
    goals this season like the one at Elland Road.
    
    Just a little point that annoyed me...when Yeboah came to Leeds, most
    supporters , journalists, commentators dismissed this guy (too fat,
    slow etc.). Well I've seen him performing for Frankfurt for the
    previous x seasons...and the goal he scored on Monday night is just a
    sampler of what we'll see this season...
    
	Dezzz.
33.1890MARVIN::MORRELLHmmmmmm......Thu Aug 24 1995 13:2412
    Well according to teletext last night some of the bookies are sweating
    a bit as they were offering good odd (20-1 I saw a one time ) on Yeboah
    being the top goal scorer in th Premier leauge.... lets hope he can
    pull it off & make the bookies pay out for once.
    
    Well I saw "Match of the Seventies" last night... Leeds were robbed of
    the European Championship... there was no offside for Clarks goal & we
    should have had a penalty.. its no wonder the Leeds fans rioted.. 
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.1891MARVIN::MORRELLHmmmmmm......Thu Aug 24 1995 13:257
    Leeds will play Notts County at home in the second round of the
    fizzy cup.
    
        Cheers,
    
            Rick.
    
33.1892Typical Leeds fan...AYOV27::FW_TEMP01J Hussey - Down in DunureThu Aug 24 1995 14:4511
Typically a Leeds fan cannot even tell who was playing for them.

It was Clarke who was brought down by Beckenbauer in the 1st half (the ref
gave a corner by the looks of it despite Franz getting nowhere near the
ball) and Lorimer scored a screamer.  Oh the ref disallowed that one.

Obligatory, we woz robbed, etc.. ref was bent, etc.  Actually, seeing those
2 incidents again he probably made a tidy profit from that match (alledgedly!).

Mind you Rennie(sp) just watched Muller run past him for the 2nd goal.

33.1893MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds 1 - Liverpool 0Thu Aug 24 1995 15:057
    >Leeds fan cannot even tell who was playing for them.
    
    	Well I was only 5 at the time... :->
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.1894XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Aug 24 1995 15:4423
Re .1889

Dezzz,

And to think that you could have bought two Yeboahs for the proce
of one Cole and have enough left over to build yourself a nice
house.  I've a straight fiver with a RON (Tobin, you bast*rd)
that Cole will not get 30 goals this season.  He might as well
give me the money right now :-).

Re. 1892

J Hussey

> Typically a Leeds fan cannot even tell who was playing for them.

My son, that comment is below the belt.  How many fans could name
the lineup of their team from 20 years ago.  Most Leeds fans can
reel off 10-15 of the players from that great Leeds team without
even pausing.  Of course, we have our own share of hangers-on like
any other successful team - but that's nothing new, now is it!

                          James.
33.1895Touchy...AYOV27::FW_TEMP01J Hussey - Down in DunureThu Aug 24 1995 15:564
James,

as I support Southend I can't even name the current side let alone one from
20 years ago!  Well actually, I can name a couple...
33.1897MARVIN::MORRELLWhat a wicked game to play.. to make me feel this way..Fri Aug 25 1995 16:226
        Leeds have got Monaco away in the UEFA cup... :->
    
        How are Monacore playing this year???
    
        Cheers,
    
33.1898Hard 1st round for both...CHEFS::QUINTFPass the Bullets, PleaseFri Aug 25 1995 16:2911
    
    Monaco have had an average start this season. I guess they're in the middle
    in the french table. They lost their last home match 0-1 to Martigues.
    
    Djorkaeff was the best player of the team last year. He left for Paris SG.
    Scifo, Petit, Di Meco are still there. Basile Boli has just joined the
    team.
    
    Fred.
    
    
33.1899XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Sun Aug 27 1995 01:445
Re .1895

Me, touchy?  Never :-).

                             James.
33.1900Top of the pile!XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Sun Aug 27 1995 01:4814
Looks like Leeds had another very useful win this afternoon against a Villa
side who was also sporting a 100% record coming into the game.  We set them
right on that one.

It also proved that Leeds aren't a one man scoring side either with 
Wetherall/Speed and White popping up to give Leeds their third win of 
the new season.

Bring on Southampton.  We'll sort those lads out!

As they say, winning the league is now completely in our own hands.  All we 
have to do is win our next 35 games to be sure ;-).

                              James.
33.1901MARVIN::MORRELLWhat a wicked game to play.. to make me feel this way..Tue Aug 29 1995 14:245
    Hmmmm.. Mr. Fowler is a bit quiet this morning.....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.1902METSYS::ALLENCollyFowlerTue Aug 29 1995 14:461
    Probably bleaching his hair, like his brother.
33.1903FORTY2::FOWLERMKylie fan clubTue Aug 29 1995 15:5510
>>>Hmmmm.. Mr. Fowler is a bit quiet this morning.....

Apart from the note in 67 saying how we got stuffed, I suppose.

Some people just don't listen. 8-)

So much for your so-called super striker though. Couldn't even score against a
40 year old with knees so bad he can hardly walk. 8-)

Mike
33.1904MARVIN::MORRELLWhat a wicked game to play.. to make me feel this way..Tue Aug 29 1995 16:237
    Hey.. it only goes to prove that we are not a 1 man team... we've got
    lots of talented players who can score goals... unlike Villa...
    :->>>>>>>>>>>>>
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.1905VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Tue Aug 29 1995 16:286
    Hey presto...yet another Voltaire v. Dr. Johnson-style debate in the Leeds 
    note...
    
    ;-)
    
    Dom
33.1906Southampton reportCOMICS::LINDLEYThu Aug 31 1995 16:5245
    Went to the match last night at Southampton. The away match tactic
    for this season seems to be, sit back in the first half and let the
    home team throw what they can against us, and in the second come out
    and go for all out attack. ( as in the West Ham game as well.... )
    
    We could have easily been 2-0 up in the first bit of the second half
    when Deano hit the post and McAllister and Speed went close but Tony
    Dorigo ( 50-1 to score the first goal ) scored with a 25-yarder. We
    were cruising tyhen but Yeboah went off on about 75 mins, and Deane
    switched to centre forward and Worthington went out on the left. This
    was the turning point as it upset the whole team. I didn't see the
    Southampton goal as I was in the Milton Road end but did see it on
    MotD. Deane was trying to clear off the line after a corner, when the 
    clearance hit Widdrington and went in. Southampton could have gone on 
    and won as Le Tiss ( or Matty to the so'ton fans ) beat our defence down 
    the dead ball line and crossed only see the shot hit the side netting.
    
    So 1-1 was probably a fair result in the end. 100% record goes and we
    are second in the league behind Newcastle. On the performances I've
    seen this season, I don't think we'll win the Championship. I think we
    don't attack enough away from home.... well in the first half anyway.   
    We should finish in the top five though.
    
    Other points of note from the Leeds perspective :-
    
    o Pemberton is looking at lot better than last season and the biggest
    shock from last night was he didn't get booked. Pembers and Wetherall
    look pretty solid.
    
    o Gary Speed has also improved enorously. I think Wilkinson must have
    had a word with him and told posing on the pitch for all his lady
    admirers.... well during the game anyway. Speedo's work rate is much
    higher and he saved a certain goal in the first half with an excellent
    tackle in the box. 
    
    o Brian Deane plays almost as a left winger with Yoboah on his own in
    the middle. He needs to get up in the middle and support him more.
    
    o McAllister is playing as well as ever and runs the show in the
    middle.
    
    Southampton did play well but apart from Le Liss it's hard to see how
    they will score goals. The biggest cheer of the night was when they
    announced Man. City had lost at home to Everton. I wonder why....???
                                                                        
33.1907Porn on the netXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Sep 07 1995 14:2149
Is there nothing sacred anymore?

Read and weep!h

++

From:	XSTACY::VBORMC::"gburnage@vax.ox.ac.uk" "Gavin Burnage"  6-SEP-1995
19:09:49.64
To:	leeds-united@vax.ox.ac.uk
CC:	gburnage@vax.ox.ac.uk
Subj:	LU: List Pics from Dublin and NYC

I've weblicated a few B&W photos of the Dublin and New York meets; they're
available at

      http://info.ox.ac.uk/~gburnage/listpics.html


There's a full Dublin Lards team pic, and assorted shots of Declan, James,
Nige K, Steve W, in Dublin and New York. More to come later.

If anyone else has list-related pics they want on here - pub meets at home and
abroad, holiday snaps in Leeds shirts, whatever - let me know. I can scan
stuff in if I get the originals. (Tim what happened with your List gallery?)

Cheers,
Gav

PS Sorry Gary - I have no pics of you and Rowena! Are your pics ready yet??

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33.1908On EurosportXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Sep 12 1995 13:286
There is a possibility that the Leeds vs. Monaco match is on Eurosport
this evening *LIVE*.  I hope so.  The problem is that any pub I'll be
going to, hoping to see Leeds, will probably be showing some other
match instead :-(. 

                          James.
33.1909MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Tue Sep 12 1995 13:329
    Lets hope so... I'm supposed to be playing football tonight.. so I
    might have to make a quick dash home to watch the match!! :->
    
    In the paper it says that they ar showing Volleyball between 7-9pm &
    then highlights of the football between 9 & 11:30pm.
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.1910Final scoreWSTENG::DSMITHWed Sep 13 1995 01:274
    
    
    
     Monaco  0  Leeds  3  - Yeboah hat-trick
33.1911See, I told you so ...OZROCK::OSMANArif OsmanWed Sep 13 1995 06:335
Let's hope the TV companies rue their decision not to show
the Monaco vs Leeds match live in the UK. By all accounts,
Leeds produced the best English performance on the night.

--arif
33.1912IMHOIOSG::LAYNEWed Sep 13 1995 12:3211
    Arif,
    
    I looked at the highlights last night and although Leeds - well Yeboha
    (sp!), scored three times, Monaco played the better football IMO, but
    just couldn't score.
    
    It wasn't so much of a Leeds performance, but the match was probably
    the best that was played, and of course the result was the most
    pleasing for English clubs.
    
    William
33.1913METSYS::ALLENCollyFowlerWed Sep 13 1995 13:011
    I'm still waiting to see how well Leeds'll perform without him.
33.1914MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Wed Sep 13 1995 13:056
    Ask Aston Villa fans how well we played without Yeboah scoring... I
    think they'll have to agree that they were well beaten...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.1915MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Wed Sep 13 1995 13:197
    Well what can I say... the best result of the English teams in
    Europe... outstanding second goal..... hopefully we should now reach
    the second round.. :->>
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.1916Yeboah is godXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Sep 13 1995 14:3917
I think Leeds will have gained a lot from last evening's performance.
Monaco were well beaten.  They threw their best at us and came out
second best.  As we know, all that counts is how many goals are up on
the scoreboard at the end of the game, not how well the team has
played.  Monaco were well and truly outplayed where it counted last
evening.  Nothing else needs to be said! 

And as for Leeds without Yeboah, we've got Deane, Whelan, Speed,
McAllister, Wallace and others willing and able to score.  Yeboah
isn't the kind of player to get injured (fingers crossed) too often so
we should be OK. 

It was pleasantly surprising how positive that tosser Alan Green was
about the Gods last evening.  It makes a change from the more usual
MUFC biased crap I had to usually endure from him! 

                          James.
33.1917Dry Martini F.C.YUPPY::OHAGANBVatican Radio TechnoWed Sep 13 1995 14:535
    Funky old stadium they've got in Monaco isn't it? Very unusual for a 
    football ground. Half expected to see chandaleers (sp?) hanging above 
    the centre circle instead of floodlights. 
    
    Barry.
33.1918MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Wed Sep 13 1995 15:0513
    >It makes a change from the more usual MUFC biased crap I had to
    >usually endure from him!
    
    Yep.. it did... he's probably gone and got himself a Leeds Utd Shirt
    now.. :->
    
    George Graham is an excellent co-commentator... I can definately see
    why he took Arsenal so far... he has such insite into the game...
    
            Cheers,
    
            Rick.
    
33.1919METSYS::ALLENCollyFowlerWed Sep 13 1995 15:491
    insight as well Rick.
33.1920XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Sep 13 1995 16:055
Re -1

Envy is a terrible thing you know!  You should have something done about it!

                           James.
33.1921ADDULT::ROBERTSONWed Sep 13 1995 16:409
Great result last night. Though looking at the highlights, the luck was with
them. Anderson(?) should have had a couple.

Any news on Boli & The Keeper. That was a nasty collision as Yeboah scored the
3rd. Last night they said that they both had neck injuries, and Boli had an
epileptic fit, with a possible fractured skull. I hope they make a speedy
recovery.

Al
33.1922Fox for LeedsXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Sep 13 1995 16:522
Just heard that Leeds have just signed Fox from Newcastle.  Things just
get better and better!
33.1923All is well (sort of)...CLARID::KREYERAndre KREYER, Sophia Antipolis (FR)Wed Sep 13 1995 19:078
>Any news on Boli & The Keeper.
	The doctors have found nothing unusual on both Boli and Delaroche
	(the goalie), but for further safety, they'll keep a close eye on
	them for a further day. They are both supposed to be able to leave
	the hospital tomorrow (Friday)...

								.Andre.
33.1924Not football?TUXEDO::HINXMANLet's all laugh for a momentWed Sep 13 1995 23:515
	I gather that commenting on Leeds United is consistent with any
	ban on "football-related activities" that the FA may have imposed
	on GG.

	Tony
33.1925MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Thu Sep 14 1995 12:547
    Hohoho... a comedian.... 
    
    Must have taken you several years to think up that one....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.1926Ahem.CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Sep 14 1995 13:118
    re.1922
    
    James, 
    
    The transfer speculation surrounding Leeds signing players is as
    accurate as that based on Arsenal signing players.
    
    Stuart
33.1927IRNBRU::HOWARDLovely Day for a GuinnessThu Sep 14 1995 14:097
    some papers are reporting that Yeboah could be on his way to AC Milan
    or some German club for 7 million quid!!!!....
    
    ....the usual denials from the club, but 7 million would be hard to
    turn down....
    
    Ray....
33.1928MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Thu Sep 14 1995 14:279
    He better not be... 7 million is nothing for a striker these days... he
    worth more than Shearer.. and he's supposed to be worth 10 million...
    
    	He must be worth at least 13-15 million.... with our crazy transfer
    prices.....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.1929CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Sep 14 1995 14:326
    Rick,
    
    How do you work out that Yeboah is worth more than Shearer? Has Yeboah
    single-handedly scored enough goals to win a Championship? Thought not.
    
    Stuart
33.1930To say he's woth 7 million.. he don't score many Euro goals!MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Thu Sep 14 1995 14:3410
    I'll answer that one at the end of the season....
    
    The question you should ask is :
    
    	Will Mr. Shearer score enough goals to keep Blackburn in the
    	European Cup Competiton??? 
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.1931CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Sep 14 1995 14:376
    You should be more concerned with how many Yeboah scores. He may have
    won you this tie but don't be too confident about the next round.
    Especially when you meet the Russians who are going to dump on the
    Scousers.
    
    Stuart
33.1932Sophisticated, I've even been to Leeds!CHEFS::NASHThu Sep 14 1995 14:419
    
    Mr Morrell,
    
    Consistency mate. Why pay all that money for someone who may be a one
    season wonder? Remember Clive Allen, Steve Bull etc etc. Besides, the
    Pope got upset when Lemtini (Sp?) went to milan for 13.5 million, who
    will he escalate to if Yeboah goes for more!!!
    
    BTW. He's playing well at the mo, probably worth his weight in Lard...
33.1933MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Thu Sep 14 1995 14:4212
    >but don't be too confident about the next round.
    >Especially when you meet the Russians....
    
    We're not worried... 
    
    We'll offer them a new tractor & 5lb spuds if they throw the match..
    
    That should be more than enough....
    
    Cheers,
    
    Rick.
33.1934MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Thu Sep 14 1995 14:439
    >Consistency mate.
    
    	Thats why he was the top scorer in the German League for the last 2
    seasons before he joined Leeds... I'd say that the German leagues were
    better than the Premiership.... 
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick
33.1935METSYS::ALLENCollyFowlerThu Sep 14 1995 14:474
    Just 'cos he's in your fantasy footie team Rick and he's your idol.
    
    Looks like we might get a chance to see how well Leeds minus Yeboah
    really is.
33.1936XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Sep 14 1995 15:1714
Re last few

Clive Allen was a one season wonder, I'll agree.  Yeboah is not on the
other hand.  Gert Muller has said that Yeboah was the only current
player that might ever break his german league scoring record.  It's a
well known fact that he was one of the best, if not the best, striker
in the german league for the past 4 years (not 2 as Rick might have
said).  These statements are not consistant with the tag: one season
wonder. 

As I said before Envy is a terrible thing!  We have him, <insert your
favourite team> don't. 

                          James.
33.1937CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Sep 14 1995 15:2314
33.1938YUPPY::OHAGANBVatican Radio TechnoThu Sep 14 1995 15:3316
    
   > seasons before he joined Leeds... I'd say that the German leagues were
   > better than the Premiership.... 
  
    I'd say that that the pace of the game allows for superior technical
    ability in Germany and coaching techniques are probably of a higer 
    standard as a  result. However, neither country has exactly set Europe 
    on fire, for want of a better expression, in recent years. In fact, 
    if that's the criteria for measuring suucess then English clubs just 
    might shade it with United and Arsenal's ECWC victories. I can only 
    recall Werder Bremen's ECWC victory as Germany's only European success 
    in the last five years unless there was a UEFA triumph somewhere along 
    the way.
    
    Barry.
                                                                       
33.1939MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Thu Sep 14 1995 15:587
    >not 2 as Rick might have said
    
    	Wasn't he the top scoring striker for only 2 seasons...??
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.1940A 2-seaon wonder or a 4-season wonder?VARESE::TRNUX1::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Thu Sep 14 1995 16:304
    Could it be that Rick's mantle as Aspiring Anthony Yeboah Biographer is
    threatened?
    
    Dom
33.1941MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Thu Sep 14 1995 16:336
    Who cares what he did before.... as long as he's scoring for us against
    the rest of the teams in the Premiership... that is all that matters...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.1942CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Sep 14 1995 17:0611
    Barry,
    
    I think Bayer Leverkusen won the UEFA Cup on penalties a few seasons
    back but the closest in recent years must be Borussia Dortmund a couple
    of years ago when they lost to Juventus in the final.
    
    Oi, Morrell. Answer the question. Also, do so in your own words and not
    those of somebody else. We'll have none of this wildly inaccurate
    statements in here young man.
    
    Stuart
33.1943I've yet to work out how to change the usernameCHEFS::absip36.reo.dec.com::SALESPERSONWed Sep 20 1995 14:275
	Is it not a little quiet in here today ?

	Didn't the boy yeboah score last night ?

	Roll on October 3rd
33.1944CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Sep 20 1995 14:395
    The boy Yeboah has only scored in one of the last four games. Leeds
    have only won once in the last four games hence the assertion that they
    are a one man team.
    
    Stuart
33.1945Devon White Is His NameCHEFS::absip36.reo.dec.com::SALESPERSONWed Sep 20 1995 14:444
	Stuart,

	You mean much like the team they were playing last night !

33.1946CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Sep 20 1995 14:463
    Aah yes but that team is two divisions lower.
    
    Stuart
33.1947RON and Notts CountyXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Sep 20 1995 20:2520
Another glorious episode in the recent history of Leeds United in the
cup competitions (in the 90's) came to pass last evening at the
theatre of dreams.  It follow on from such classics of recent vintage
as: Watford, Sunderland, Mansfield and Walsall (nearly). 

What the f&ck is the problem with Leeds and so called inferior teams
in the cup competitions?  It ceases to amaze me (well it shouldn't but
it does) how badly Leeds do against 2nd and 3rd division teams :-(. 
We have no problem motivating ourselves to spear the big fishes but
it's the little fishes that screw us up. 

I'm not to confident of a result at Notts County in the replay and
suggest a visit to the local bookie to check out the odds on Notts
County turning us over there!  Recent history suggests you'll get a
good run for your money. 

   James (who bets to subsidise his full-time employment in Digital).

P.S. This betting doesn't include the recent poker session undertaken
with a RON (Read Only Noter) of this notesfile. 
33.1948CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Sep 20 1995 20:295
    James,
    
    It isn't a replay. Its called a second leg.
    
    Stuart
33.1949XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Sep 20 1995 21:597
Re -1

Stu,

What's the difference, other than maybe if it ends in a score draw?

                           James.
33.1950Still, could have been worse. You could be a Man U fanCHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Sep 21 1995 12:447
    James,
    
    In Leeds case, they have to score to have any chance of going through
    (so do Mansfield, sorry Notts County). But a score draw is enough (I
    think away goals rules count at this stage.
    
    Stuart
33.1951Only after extra-timeCHEFS::TREETONThu Sep 21 1995 13:368
   If the scores are level at full time then extra-time is played. Only 
   if scores are level after that are away goals taken into account.
   
   Bill
   
   PS.
   
   That is the same for the whole of the competition.
33.1952CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Sep 21 1995 13:395
    Bill,
    
    I didn't think away goals counted in the semi finals.
    
    Stuart
33.1953Extra time won't be neededXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Sep 21 1995 14:285
I think .1951 is correct.  Away goals only count in
extra-time!  We won't need that; County will beat us 
in normal time, the way things are going currently ;-(.

                       James.
33.1954Semi Finals??CHEFS::TREETONThu Sep 21 1995 16:2020
      Stuart,
      
      Not sure about the Semi's maybe maybe not. However I can't 
      remember many close semi finals of recent years, maybe one of the 
      statisticians out there will know.
      
      As notes 32, 33 & 34 seem to involve most of the football fans of 
      DEC in some form or another and occasionally a subject far removed 
      from football rears it head like Cartoons on TV etc. I would like 
      to interject a subtle aside here.
      
      Whilst walking along the banks of the Thames last night through 
      the grounds of Tescos there were rather a large amount of Horse 
      Chestnuts, coloquially known as "Conkers", on the ground. Don't 
      kids of today play that good old game of conkers any more. If not 
      they don't know what they are missing. Any comments, fond memories 
      of that 100er or 200er being beaten by a conker soaked in vinegar 
      and baked in the oven etc. etc.
      
      Bill
33.1955XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Sep 21 1995 18:1316
>      Chestnuts, coloquially known as "Conkers", on the ground. Don't 
>      kids of today play that good old game of conkers any more. If not 

So what makes you think that anyone in the Leeds United topic would
know anything about Conkers eh?  I think kids these days are more likely
to have a virtual reality/computer generated Nintendo-Sega mega games
colsole simulating the game than actually engaging in the real thing.

Haven't you heard of the horrendous injuries caused to the...............
Conkers as a result of this barbarous game.  Amnesty International
should be told ;-).

Finally, I think many kids have gone away from the simple pleasures of
life and into a world that is copmletely dominated by TV/Video/Compters.

                          James.
33.1956METSYS::ALLENCollyFowlerThu Sep 21 1995 18:473
    >>colsole simulating
    
    Err...do you mean coleslaw simulating or coldsore simulating?
33.1957MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Sun Sep 24 1995 15:2212
    Well I've only got one word to say to you all....
    
    
    
    	YEBOAH!!!!!!!!
    
    	What a second goal.... looks like Yeboah has won the "Goal of the
    Month" competition again.....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick. 
33.1958Another week, another hat-trickGIDDAY::PARSONSAcid Works SupportMon Sep 25 1995 02:2910
    
    To add to -1
    
    Wimbledon  2  Leeds United  4
    
                  Palmer
                  Yeboah 3
    
    Back on track.  Another hat-trick.  10 from 9 this season.  23 from 26
    since he joined Leeds.  Time to take those Cunno pills again ;-)
33.1959CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosMon Sep 25 1995 11:393
    and yet more proof that Leeds are a one-man team.....
    
    Stuart
33.1960MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Mon Sep 25 1995 11:5722
    Unlike Arsenal who used to & still do depend on Ian Wright...
    
    And Blackburn who depend on Alan Shearer.... 
    
    etc..
    
    etc..
    
    There is nothing wrong with having one good goal scorer... as long as
    the rest of the team can back them up with some goals... 
                                                  
    Stu... you'll remember "Massinga" from the Arsenal match, 
    
    Brian Deane from the ManU match.... 
    
    Carlton Palmer from the matches at the end of last season... 
    
    We have plenty of players that can score goals....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.1961CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosMon Sep 25 1995 12:1413
    Rick,
    
    You miss the point. Arsenal have won on a regular basis, and still do,
    if Wright doesn't score. Their is nothing wrong with having one main
    striker. A problem arises when he is the only one scoring.The accusation 
    being levelled at Leeds this season is based on *fact*. Leeds have lost the
    games that Yeboah didn't score in (Notts Co being the exception!) and don't
    appear to have anyone who is willing to take responsibility for scoring. 
    One injury and your season could be shot. This is the same problem Arsenal 
    had last year. Fortunately, we had other players capable of scoring the one
    goal that Arsenal found necessary to win games.
    
    Stuart
33.1962MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Mon Sep 25 1995 12:3010
    >Leeds have lost the games that Yeboah didn't score in ..
    
    Errrmm... what about against Villa.... & Southampton...
    
    He didn't score in any of thos matches.. but we still won & drew
    them...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.1963CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosMon Sep 25 1995 12:3613
    Rick,
    
    Hmmm, so that was two games. OK, but what about the other 3 games last
    week when he didn't score? Now that makes it 5 games he didn't score in
    and Leeds won 1. Now by my reckoning, that indicates that Leeds will
    not win 80% (Indeed 60% will end in defeat) of the games that Yeboah 
    doesn't score in. For a team who are reckoned (by their supporters
    anyway) to be Championship contenders that is not good enough. No team
    has ever won a Championship on the back of one players goals alone.
    Even Blackburn last year had Sutton, Hendry and the non-descript
    midfielders that they possess, scoring goals to supplement Shearer.
    
    Stuart
33.1964strength in depth wins the leagueFORTY2::JONESNeilMon Sep 25 1995 13:3911
    
    Stuart,
    
    I agree. A winning team has goals supplied by a broad range of players.
    Both Blackburn and Man Utd last season had a fair number of players
    who were scoring an average amount of goals. Liverpool just had Fowler
    and thus if he didn't score then we did very badly. 
    
    However its early days yet...
    
    Neil
33.1965XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Mon Sep 25 1995 20:289
> Time to take those Cunno pills again ;-)

What exactly are these _Cunno Pills_ and can anyone take them?

Also from your personal name is your work concerned with E, LSD, or just
plain acid and is there any connection with the aforementioned Cunno
Pills?  Cunno won't be impressed.

                            James.
33.1966Thoughts on Saturday's game (long)XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Mon Sep 25 1995 21:4650
I was lucky enough to see the game on RTE TV Saturday.  They have
re-started showing top Premiership matches on the Irish Channel this
season.  I was pretty apprehensive before the match knowing our recent
form and the recent history of the tie (2 goals in five years). 

I though the headed Leeds goal that was disallowed early in the game
was good as both players who were "off-side" probably weren't when the
ball was first played.  Masinga was quite unlucky with his header off
the bar and Wetherall more so with at least one bullet header that the
keeper knew absolutely nothing about.  The opening goal came from
nothing; the second more so.  Palmer had a great shot from outside the
area evade the goalkeeper and into the net.  Poor defending allowed
Deane's through ball to get to its destination - Yeboah - for the
second goal.  Leeds then conceded a very soft goal from a corner set
piece.  I thought Lukic should have had it covered.  Certainly the
defending should have been better then it was. 

There is nothing that can be said about the third goal except the
words: true genius.  If only Leeds had more players like Yeboah;
players that can conjure something out of nothing, something special. 

In the second half Leeds sat back and got caught when Deane headed the
ball into the Wimbledon's man path for their second goal.  Sloppy back
play again!  Yeboah made sure of the game when Masinga has a poor,
poor pass come luckily off the Wimbledon defender's foot.  Yeboah
doesn't miss from 10 yards in situations like this.  Palmer should
have made it 5 with a one-on-one with the goalkeeper with minutes left
on the clock.  He was also very unlucky with seconds to go when the
goalkeeper made a brilliant save from another piledriver. 

Lukic played OK but lacks command of his own area.  The defence, in 
general, did OK but gave away TWO soft goals and other half-chances
better teams might have put away.  Midfield were OK, nothing special. 
Palmer was probably the best of them.  Speed or Macca did little of
any consequence.  Deane and Masinga did OK.  I still feel that Masinga
lacks the critical mass that makes a really good forward. I could be
wrong but he wasn't as dangerous as Yeboah or Deane was on Saturday. 
Maybe he'll improve with time.  Deane worked hard and did little wrong
again.  He needs a goal though to boast confidence.  I don't think he
had a shot on target all day.  Yeboah is Yeboah!  He did what he's
paid to do: score goals; one was a tap in, the second was out of the
top drawer and the third was one that a good forward will put away
most times. 

Wimbledon were poor, Leeds made them pay.  If only Leeds could put
similarly placed teams away like this more often, we'd be there or
thereabouts all the time, and not fighting for the crumbs from the big
boys' table i.e. 5th or 6th. 

                          James.
33.1967Yeboah scores others just keep missingGIDDAY::PARSONSAcid Works SupportTue Sep 26 1995 03:0115
    
    > Acid Works ...
    Afraid it refers to work, as in POLYCENTER AssetWORKS.  I keep getting
    call back messages referring to Acid Works.  Then again maybe the
    messages are about E or LSD!!!
    
    Saw the game on TV here last night.  Yeboah's second goal was better
    then the Liverpool one.  But his finishing highlights how many chances
    the rest of the team miss.  From the highlights Leeds should have
    scored at least a couple more, some of the misses (like Palmers 
    one-on-one or that header which should have been headed down not at
    the keeper) were bad.  You don't get 8-10 great chances every game.
    
    I can see how Charlton scored 5 against Wimbledon last week now!  How
    did they beat Liverpool? and keep a clean sheet!!
33.1968YUPPY::PANESGone troppoTue Sep 26 1995 11:356
According to a survey conducted by the Norman Thingy Institute,
Leeds fans are the "poorest" in the Premier League. Funnily enough,
The Squatters ( Wimbledon ) are apparently the best off - money 
can't buy everything.

Stuart
33.1969Best sheepXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Sep 26 1995 12:345
Re -1

That's because we've spent all our cash on getting the best sheep ;-).

                           James.
33.19705 Days to GoESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Tue Sep 26 1995 19:245
<<< Note 33.1966 by XSTACY::JLUNDON "http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)" >>>
>>>If only Leeds had more players like Yeboah;
>>>players that can conjure something out of nothing, something special. 

They had, but they sold him to us for a million.
33.1971Some way of repaying us!XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Sep 26 1995 20:117
Re -1

Brian,

And this is how you repay us - by throwing it in our faces ;-).

                          James.
33.1972Leeds 0 - 1 MonacoMOEUR8::SMITHWed Sep 27 1995 11:3721
    
    So Leeds go through!
    
    But they were crap!  There's been a lot of discussion in this
    conference about Leeds being a 'one-man' team, I can now provide a
    un-biassed view of the team having seen them!
    
    Yebohah was marked out of the game, he did nothing, and his marker
    Basil Boli (who is *old*!).
    
    The other guy, White is it?, did nothing either!  The ones who
    impressed for me, were Lukic and the no. 10 (McAllister is it?). 
    
    However, Monaco played with speed and skill, the second half was
    one-way traffic apart from about 5 minutes of Leeds pressure.  Shifo
    looked good, but wasn't the controlling authority in midfield he used
    to be, possibly because of the other players around him, who are all
    class.  Petit (however he spells it) was superb in defence, and
    Anderson up front is always dangerous.
    
    
33.1973MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Wed Sep 27 1995 11:5013
    >White is it
    
    	He's rubbish... the only reason he was in the side was due to us
    having Dorigo etc injured... and the fact that he's English...
    
    	Yep.. no 10 is McAllister... good player on his day.. 
    
    	How did the Leeds youngsters play... Couzens & Tinkler.. they were
    the two Leeds subs...
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.1974CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Sep 27 1995 11:584
    So, Rick, not going to defend Leeds (x3) against the one man team
    accusation?
    
    Stuart
33.1975MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Wed Sep 27 1995 12:0210
    Hey.. we're in the next round of the UEFA cup... 
    
    ManU aren't... what more is there to say....
    
    I'm just happy with that fact...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
    
33.1976CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Sep 27 1995 12:155
    Err, in 66% of the games that Yeboah doesn't score, Leeds (x3) lose?
    
    hth,
    
    Stuart
33.1977Comments...XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Sep 27 1995 18:2524
Tactics:

Last night Leeds played as a team that wanted to shut up shop and 
try to protect a 3-0 lead.  This is what they did, albeit they did
go down by a goal.  Monaco were made look good because of the 
manner Leeds allowed them space to play their sort of game.  However,
one must look over the two legs to see that Leeds played the better
and deserved to go through.  I bet there are a lot of MUFC fans out
there this afternoon who wished their team were in the same position 
as Leeds are right now.  I won't even bother thinking about how
much money MUFC have lost as a result of their early round exit
from the UEFA Cup.  

Yeboah:

It seems Stuart that you are inordinately worried about Yeboah being
a one man team.  Why don't you come over to our side of the fence 
altogether and "come out"?  It's alright to admit to being a Leeds
fan.  I've done it and I'm the better for it.  Statistics can be
used to prove almost anything, as you've tried to do with the fact
that in the three games Leeds have lost this term, Yeboah hasn't
scored.

                           James ;-).
33.1978IOSG::HARDIEIn an office where the air-conditioning never worksWed Sep 27 1995 18:548
    Stuart,
    
    If you look at the statistics there was a time when if Ian Rush scored
    for Liverpool he never ended up on the losing side and I can't remember
    Liverpool being called a one-man team.
    
    Neil
    
33.1979CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Sep 27 1995 19:3716
    Neil
    
    Thats because Liverpool were a good side. Not, as with this Leeds side,
    overhyped out of proportion as title challengers when one person is the
    only bugger scoring. 
    
    BTW you mention Ian Rush's record. Do you know who ended it? No? Then
    I'll tell you.
    
    April 5 1987. Wembley. Littlewoods Cup Final. 
    
    Liverpool 1 Arsenal 2 
    
    Hugs
    
    Stuart
33.1980XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Sep 27 1995 19:5215
>    Thats because Liverpool were a good side. Not, as with this Leeds side,
>    overhyped out of proportion as title challengers when one person is the
>    only bugger scoring. 

Overhyped my Arse!  Stu, you must have lost the run of yourself if you
think that Leeds are being overhyped as title challangers.  Most Leeds
fans don't believe that Leeds are true title challangers so I don't see
how anyone else could consider us possible champions.  Bitten off a 
little more than you can chew?

Being realistic, I think Leeds can finish in the top 5 and maybe do
something of one of the cups - this is dependent on us finishing the 
season with the team that started the season.

                            James.
33.1981CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Sep 28 1995 10:566
    Er,
    
    You might like to tell Rick that Leeds aren't the best in the country
    then. 
    
    Stuart
33.1982MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Thu Sep 28 1995 12:4914
    
    	> Leeds aren't the best in the country
    
    Since I'm from Leeds I'm not about to say that another team are better
    than my home town team...
    
    Well in the Express it says that we are putting in a bid for Chris
    Waddle... I don't know whether he'd want to come to Leeds.. he
    certainly didn't the last time we made a bid for him.. but it must be
    better than Sheffield Wednesday...
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.1983MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Fri Sep 29 1995 15:175
    Anyone know what the draw was for the UEFA cup??
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.1984PSVXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Sep 29 1995 16:407
Re -1

PSV.  It looks like a good draw for us.  If we are to win the thing we
have to beat teams like PSV.  If we are not to win then it's probably
better to get knocked out as early as possible IMHO.

                         James.
33.1985MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Fri Sep 29 1995 18:555
    So are you coming over for this game James???
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.1986Date For Home LegCHEFS::JAMANISFri Sep 29 1995 18:586
    RE: -2
    
    Anyone know when the home leg will be?
    
    
    Shafiq.
33.1987An answer that is both useful and uselessCHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosFri Sep 29 1995 18:595
    Either 2 weeks before or after the away leg.
    
    hth
    
    Stuart
33.1988GYMAC::DCASSIDYFri Sep 29 1995 19:5911
    
    Reminds me of the accountants joke....
    
    A guy travelling over the landscape in a hot-air ballon ;being lost and
    seeing sombody in a field below shout's down.."Where am I ????"
    
    Replyfrom accountant in field: In a baloon....
    
    Point: Answer is perfectly correct but absolutely useless....
    
    Dezzz.                       
33.1989XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Sep 29 1995 20:139
Re: PSV

I'm very tempted to try and make it over.  I'll keep my ear to the ground
for any packages and let you know Rick :-).

Nice to see that Shafiq is still with us too.  I thought the man was lost
in action ;-).

                           James.
33.1990XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Sep 29 1995 20:131
I'm a sad bastard .1990
33.1991XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Sep 29 1995 20:131
I'm a sad bastard .1991
33.1992XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Sep 29 1995 20:141
I'm a sad bastard .1992
33.1993XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Sep 29 1995 20:141
I'm a sad bastard .1993
33.1994XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Sep 29 1995 20:141
I'm a sad bastard .1994
33.1995XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Sep 29 1995 20:141
I'm a sad bastard .1995
33.1996XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Sep 29 1995 20:141
I'm a sad bastard .1996
33.1997XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Sep 29 1995 20:141
I'm a sad bastard .1997
33.1998XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Sep 29 1995 20:151
I'm a sad bastard .1998
33.1999XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Sep 29 1995 20:151
I'm a sad bastard .1999
33.2000XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Sep 29 1995 20:151
SNARF!
33.2001Very Sad indeed.....What is the world coming too???XSTACY::MDUNPHYJust another Day!!Fri Sep 29 1995 20:240
33.2002only cos he beat you too it !!!CHEFS::CROSSAFri Sep 29 1995 20:373
    What do you expect from a Leeds(x3) fan.
    
    			Stretch.
33.2004MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Sun Oct 01 1995 14:497
    Anyone know if the Leeds vs PSV match is going to be shown on TV??
        
            Cheers,
        
            Rick.
    
    
33.2005PSV EINDHOVEN!! WHO!!JGO::KOOPMANSTue Oct 03 1995 13:528
    Hello Leeds fans,
    
    I am from Holland and certainly not a fan of PSV Eindhoven, but what
    Iam wondering, are you familiar with the players of this team? 
    
    Cheers,
    Harrie
     
33.2006MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Tue Oct 03 1995 13:548
    Nope.. I've never heard of the players in the PSV team.. but they are
    supposed to have a good Brazilian striker.. ??
    
    How are they playing this year??? 
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2007XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Oct 03 1995 14:3421
Harrie,

> I am from Holland and certainly not a fan of PSV Eindhoven

Why aren't PSV liked in the Netherlands?  I've gotten the same
impression from other sources.

Some people from the PSV mail list have joined the Leeds mailing
list for the duration of the tie in a sort of cross-cultural
experience.  They have promised to communicate in English for
the benefit of those of us whose Dutch isn't upto scratch :-).

PCV seem to have quite a number of dangerous players from all
accounts.  Anyone in particular, we should look out for?  I've
heard that Ronaldo thinks he's the next Pele.  Wait until he mets 
'ur Pemberton.  He'll teach the new Pele a thing or two!

Leeds vs. PSV should be a very even tie, that may be won on away
goals, IMHO.

                         James.
33.2008CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosTue Oct 03 1995 14:405
    James,
    
    Only if Yeboah scores....
    
    Stuart
33.2009MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Tue Oct 03 1995 14:455
    He's got Yeboah on the brain!!
            
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick
33.2010PSCV EINDHOVEN!! WHO!!JGO::KOOPMANSTue Oct 03 1995 15:5522
    Yes Rick, this fabulous Brazilian player is called Ronaldo. He scored 5
    goals against Mypa in the first round and produced 3 assists. Not to
    bad I think. 
    
    Last year He scored 30 goals in the premier league and he only played
    20 games. His style is the same as Romario's, but I think he will be 
    better. This is probably his last season in Eindhoven and move to Inter
    Milan next year. 
    
    PSV Eindhoven this season won 6 of their 7 games. They are second in
    table now and play very well at the moment. Last weekend they beat 
    Feyenoord Rotterdam ( 3-0 ). 
    
    Yesterday Leeds coach was on Dutch television and I was suprised
    that he doesn't knew anything of PSV. The only thing he knew that 
    they were a good team.
    
    Please don't underestimate them. Also Luc Nilis(from Belgium) and
    Wim Jonk (Dutch International) are good players.
    
    Cheers,
    Harrie
33.2011XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Oct 03 1995 16:0511
> Yesterday Leeds coach was on Dutch television and I was suprised
> that he doesn't knew anything of PSV. The only thing he knew that 
> they were a good team.

Come the game Wilko will know everything he'll need to know to beat
PC!

And as for Stu and his fixation for Yeboah, all I can say is - yet 
again - it's OK to admit to being a follower of the true faith ;-)!

                    James (a Yeboah' Witness).
33.2012Salt in the wounds ........CHEFS::CROSSAWed Oct 04 1995 12:277
    You Jammy B'stards !!!! 90th minute
    
    As if the York (predictable) result was not bad enough !!! At least
    Reading got their sh*t together away from home at last.
    
    
    		Not_chuffed_Stretch.
33.2013CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Oct 04 1995 12:356
    Stretch,
    
    Console yourself with the thought that they only got through because
    County were down to 10 men.
    
    Stuart 
33.2014MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Wed Oct 04 1995 12:377
    We won and no goal from Tony Yeboah.... so it looks like we are now the
    complete article & should hence win the FA Cup.. Fizzy Cup,.. UEFA Cup
    & the league!!! 
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2015CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Oct 04 1995 12:394
    If everybody in Leeds has the same sense of direction as you, then the
    team will struggle to make any fixtures let alone win any games.
    
    
33.2016XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Oct 04 1995 17:2013
Re: County last evening.

I think Leeds did a good job getting over County last night (more than
what the lot in 32.* did against their lower division club).  Yeboah,
I thought, got the second goal? 

It's likely that Leeds will draw the Arse in the next round, given our
recent "luck" in the cup competitions.  It seems that we've played
Arsenal 6 times and MUFC 5 times in the past five years in both
domestic cup competitions.  Our record against either side is very
poor BTW :-(. 

                          James.
33.2017Where's me Yorkie Bar ?IOSG::STANDAGEMy hovercraft is full of eelsWed Oct 04 1995 17:227
    
    Funny....Rick never mentions the cup defeats MU have inflicted over
    Leeds in recent years...
    
    Kevin.
    
    
33.2018MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Wed Oct 04 1995 20:049
    >Yeboah, I thought, got the second goal? 
    
    	The scorer was McAllister, Couzens & Speed....
    
    	Its was Couzens first league goal.
    
    	Cheers
    
    	Rick.
33.2019XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Oct 04 1995 20:526
Re -1

I should have known better as Stu wasn't in barking 
"Yeboah - one man team" first thing this morning.:-).

                     James.
33.2020The tide has turned ...OZROCK::OSMANArif OsmanThu Oct 05 1995 04:258
What's that saying about a thousand monkeys and a thousand typewriters?

I'm sure the draw monkeys will manage to deliver a minnow in the next
round for us. Then, we will be well placed to act complacent, exit the
competition, make excuses about injuries, take consolation in fixture
de-congestion, and ......

Arif (we never do well in cup competitions) Osman
33.2021CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Oct 05 1995 11:0410
    re .2018
    
    Plank,
    
    >Its was Couzens first league goal.
    
    That was impressive and also impossible. They were playing in the
    Coca-Cola Cup.
    
    Stuart
33.2022MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Thu Oct 05 1995 11:296
        >Coca-Cola Cup.
        
            Isn't it the Coca-Cola FOOTBALL LEAGUE cup...??
        
            Cheers,
    
33.2023CCC drawXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Oct 05 1995 11:3862
I feel a sense of deja-vu vis a vis Derby and Watford a few years ago :-(.

At least we didn't get the Arse :-).

                            James.


From:	XSTACY::VBORMC::"afalkingbridge@cix.compulink.co.uk" "MAIL-11 Daemon" 
5-OCT-1995 07:34:57.07
To:	leeds-united@vax.ox.ac.uk
CC:	afalkingbridge@cix.compulink.co.uk
Subj:	Fizzy Pop R3 Draw...

Direct from GMTV (featuring David O'Leary), the 3rd round of the 
Coca-Cola cup has produced the following ties:

Stoke v Newcastle
Watford v Blackburn
Reading v Bury
QPR v York
Coventry v Spurs
Southampton v West Ham
Derby v Leeds
Millwall v Sheff Wed
Birmingham City v Tranmere
Wolves v Charlton
Bolton v Leicester
Crystal Palace v Middlesbrough
Norwich v Bradford
Barnsley v Arsenal
Villa v Stockport
Liverpool v Man City

Ties to be played w/c 27 Oct

-- Andrew Falkingbridge


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33.2024CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Oct 05 1995 11:385
    Plank,
    
    Stop trying to back out of it boy.
    
    Stuart
33.2025XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Oct 05 1995 11:555
> Plank

Is this "nice to Leeds fans in their own topic" day Stu?

                           James.
33.2026MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Thu Oct 05 1995 11:556
    Derby... Hmmm... I'm not sure what to make of the draw.. I can't make
    up my mind whether its is good or bad!
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2028CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Oct 05 1995 12:2117
    Well, for a start you will get all of the necessary words to make a
    sentence readable:
    
    James
    
    >Is this "   nice to Leeds fans in their own topic" day Stu?
              ^^
    The word "Be" would have helped make this easier on the eye.
    
    Plank
    
    >But what    can expect from a typical Arse fan
             ^^^
    Either the word "One" or the word "You" would have worked well here.
    
    
    Stuart
33.2027MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Thu Oct 05 1995 12:335
    But what can you expect from a typical Arse fan
    
    Cheers,
    
    Rick.
33.2029MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Thu Oct 05 1995 12:345
    What do you mean Stu??
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2030CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Oct 05 1995 12:377
    Plank,
    
    Deleting notes doesn't actually impress anyone.
    
    Or do you spell your name in a "Young Ones"-type manner?
    
    Stuart
33.2031CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Oct 05 1995 12:488
    >Or do you spell your name in a "Young Ones"-type manner?
    
    Stuart,
    
    Do you mean "Rick with a silent P" ?
    
    Dave
     
33.2032CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Oct 05 1995 13:118
    Dave,
    
    So who are the rest of the cast then? Does Stretch qualify as Neil? Is
    Panesy Vivian? Or is he Special Patrol Group? 
    
    I think we should be told.
    
    Stuart 
33.2033Nice suit, Stuart !!!CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Thu Oct 05 1995 13:1410
    You could be a great Alexei Sayle though, Stuart.
    
    You just need to wear the white socks and the pork-pie hat, cos your
    trousers are already short enough !!!
    
    
    Tee Hee Hee 
    
    
    Ian.
33.2034The Young Ones, darlin we're the young ones !!!!CHEFS::CROSSAThu Oct 05 1995 13:1810
    Stuart/Balowski (sp)
      
    	If you imply I am of the Neil/hippy variety again you will receive
    the full on anarcho/psycho Vivian side of my persona !!!
    
    
            Bored_Bored_Bored_Bored_Bored_Bored_Stretch
    
    
   P.S Even mindless violence is boring today !!!! (thwack !!)
33.2035CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Oct 05 1995 13:2113
    Ian, 
    
    I'm chuffed. I thought you would have said it was because I'm of an
    aggressive and obnoxious personality!
    
    Cheers,
    
    Stuart
    
    BTW You omitted the Doctor Martens boots.
    
    
    
33.2036CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Oct 05 1995 14:194
    >Is Panesy Vivian? 
    
    Are you implying that Panesy is an aggressive, loud-mouthed thug, with a
    ridiculous hairstyle and terrible dress-sense ?
33.2037CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Oct 05 1995 14:435
    Dave,
    
    No but judging from your comments, you obviously do.
    
    Stuart
33.2038XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Oct 05 1995 14:4614
Stu,

Re: .2028

To BE or not to BE, that is the question?

You haven't thought of going into the teaching profession?  You'd make
a great christian brother!

> Deleting notes doesn't actually impress anyone.
  
I presume there is a story behind this?

                            James.
33.2039CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Oct 05 1995 14:5513
    	Jimbo,
    
    	Yep, Rick (with a silent P) had copied a grammatically incorrect 
    	comment from your note into his original note. He then proceeded to 
    	make a grammatical error in his comment and I commented on these in 
        my note. By the time I had entered it, Plank had deleted his note 
        and re-entered it (without the comment on from your note) in its 
    	grammatically correct state.
    
        Stuart
    
        BTW 'christian' should have a capital 'C'.
        
33.2040MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Thu Oct 05 1995 15:285
    set note/note_id is a wonderful command! 
    
    Cheers,
    
    Plank..... (Mr. Plank to you Stu!)
33.2041Oi Neil You Hippy!CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Oct 05 1995 16:566
    Stretch man,
    
    Cool it fella. You look like your karma is bad man. Get some lentil
    soup inside ya.
    
    Stuart
33.2042Giggsy... the new Bambi???YUPPY::PANESFlying in the face of fashionThu Oct 05 1995 18:3617
                     <<< Note 33.2036 by CHEFS::EDWARDSD >>>

>    >Is Panesy Vivian? 
    
>    Are you implying that Panesy is an aggressive, loud-mouthed thug, with a
>    ridiculous hairstyle and terrible dress-sense ?


     I have to admit to the "ridiculous" hair style, but there again you're
     not exactly a Jon Bon Jovi doppleganger. 

     Stuart

     BTW I have it on good authority that Moancheaters United fans aren't
         too bothered about their early exit from the C-C Cup. Apparently
         the club do not have a "tradition" in this tournament - I guess
         this explains their lack of European ambition.
33.2043Vivian was the thick one, wasn't he ?CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Oct 05 1995 18:5419
>     BTW I have it on good authority that Moancheaters United fans aren't
>         too bothered about their early exit from the C-C Cup. Apparently
>         the club do not have a "tradition" in this tournament.

    errrr, I think you'll find that what was *actually* said, was that
    *this* United fan is not too bothered.  I have never been excited by the
    League/Littlewoods/Milk/Rumbelows/Coca-Cola cup, and consequently am
    never too bothered when we're knocked out.  Admittedly, losing in the
    Final to the Red SH**e, Wednesday and Villa has caused me to feel a tad
    peed off, but I don't feel the competition has that magic that you
    associate with the F.A Cup. 
    
    
>   I guess this explains their lack of European ambition.
    
    Hmm, I suppose being one of the pioneers of English clubs in Europe,
    being the 1st English winners of the European Cup, reaching the
    European Cup semis on 4(?) occasions, and winning the ECWC don't count
    for much then eh ?!!?!?!
33.2044Its definitely SPGCHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Oct 05 1995 19:006
    Dave,
    
    Name the four semis then. 
    
    Stuart
    
33.2045or even runourYUPPY::PANESFlying in the face of fashionThu Oct 05 1995 19:057
  Dave,

  Is there any truth in the runour that the shareholders of Manchester United
  PLC have demanded that the team be entered into next year's Inter-Toto
  Cup, thus ensuring the TTFKATTFTITW have a European birth?

  Stuart
33.2046CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Oct 05 1995 19:106
    Stuart,
    
    No.
    
    hth,
    Dave
33.2047CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Oct 05 1995 19:135
    Davo,
    
    to which Stuart are you referring?
    
    Stuart
33.2048CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Oct 05 1995 19:164
    Sorry for the confusion.
    
    In future, I'll use Viv to refer to Stuart "I want Paul Ince's
    Lovechild" Panes, and Blob to refer to your goodself.
33.2049CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Oct 05 1995 19:172
    The "No" was in reference to Viv's suggestion that Utd were to enter
    the Inter-Toto jobby.  I'm still working on the semis.
33.2050CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Oct 05 1995 19:223
    Erm, well if its nicknames, you can be Bobby Chariot. You know why.
    
    Stuart
33.2051WOFTAMCOMICS::HAWLEYIHere's 10p. Phone a man who cares!Thu Oct 05 1995 19:246
Winning a single European cup and a single Cup-winners cup hardly makes a team
European legends! I think Cunno should be wheeled on to impart some of his
wisdom.

Statto.
33.2052CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Oct 05 1995 19:2819
    re: semis
    
    European Cup
    
    56-57 Lost to Real Madrid (eventual winners) 3-5 on aggregate.
    57-58 (after Munich Air Disaster) Lost to AC Milan 2-5 on aggregate.
    65-66 Lost to Partisan Belgrade 1-2 on aggregate
    67-68 Winners
    68-69 Lost to AC Milan (eventual winners) 1-2 on aggregate.
    
    Also,
    
    Fairs/UEFA Cup
    
    64-65 Lost to Ferencvaros (eventual winners) after replay
    
    ECWC
    
    90-91 Winners
33.2053How ya diddlingCHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Oct 05 1995 19:298
    Statto,
    
    I believe that Bobby was referring to the fact that the self-styled
    Gods of Football have a better record than Palace in Europe. I think he
    was implying that Palace are bunch of no-brains. Give or take the odd
    word, of course.
    
    Stuart
33.2054CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Oct 05 1995 19:293
    >hardly makes a team European legends! 
    
    Who used the term "Legends" ?  I think the term used was "Tradition".
33.2055CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Oct 05 1995 19:337
    Bobby,
    
    Why did you feel the need to draw attention to the 'Munich Air
    Disaster'? Now you know you will only get upset when Mr Panes enters
    the musical score of The Dambusters.
    
    Stuart
33.2056CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Oct 05 1995 19:4013
    Blob,
    
    Many people believe that the Utd team pre-Munich was capable of
    dominating Europe club football in the way Real Madrid were doing.  As
    you can see from the semi-final dates, there is quite a gap between the
    success enjoyed by the "Babes" and the success enjoyed by the 60s team
    of Charlton, Best, Law etc.  I referred to the Munich disaster as a way
    of perhaps explaining why there was this gap.
    
    The gap between the 68-69 season and now is far easier to explain - we're
    crap !  
    
    
33.2057CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Oct 05 1995 19:4810
    Bobby,
    
    >Many people believe that the Utd team pre-Munich was capable of
    >dominating Europe club football in the way Real Madrid were doing
    
    And on what basis is this "opinion" given. Know a lot of people who say
    this, do ya? Yes, I'm sure you do and I bet that they are connected
    with TTFKATGFTITU in some way, shape or form.
    
    Stuart
33.2058Pan-galactic domination, was surely beckoningYUPPY::PANESFlying in the face of fashionThu Oct 05 1995 20:1416
                     <<< Note 33.2056 by CHEFS::EDWARDSD >>>

    
>    The gap between the 68-69 season and now is far easier to explain - we're
>    crap !  
 
     Are you saying that United were only crap during the winter of '68, and
     would have been brilliant but for the fixtures which were cancelled due
     to the weather?

     Stuart

    
   
    

33.2059How's Matthew No-brain enjoying his Saturday afternoons?!VARESE::TRNUX1::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Thu Oct 05 1995 20:339
    >I believe that Bobby was referring to the fact that the self-styled
    >Gods of Football have a better record than Palace in Europe. I think he
    >was implying that Palace are bunch of no-brains. Give or take the odd
    >word, of course.
    
    Talking of clubs with a better record than Palace in Europe, what odds
    on Merthyr Tydfil (sp?) to win the Welsh Cup again this year?
    
    Dom 
33.2060CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosFri Oct 06 1995 13:2210
    re .2056
    
    Having discussed this issue with various people and Dave, you are
    right. Man U would have dominated the european football scene. 
    
    Stuart
    
    
    Oh yes, the moon is mauve, John Major is a very interesting person
    indeed and Arsenal play wonderful exciting football.
33.2061And yes, Man U would have dominated the European scene...VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Fri Oct 06 1995 13:3913
    >Oh yes, the moon is mauve, John Major is a very interesting person
    >indeed and Arsenal play wonderful exciting football.

    Well, the moon can appear mauve if viewed through a telescope at the
    North Pole (a side-effect of the Aurora Borealis). And John Major is
    avery interesting person insofar as total failures are very interesting
    from an analyst's point of view.
    
    
    But I'm afraid there's no way that Arsenal play wonderful exciting
    football.
    
    Dom (lacking a nickname...now that's courting disaster isn't it? ;-))
33.2062Corrie's on tonightYUPPY::PANESFlying in the face of fashionFri Oct 06 1995 15:2530
                     <<< Note 33.2036 by CHEFS::EDWARDSD >>>

>    >Is Panesy Vivian? 
    
>    Are you implying that Panesy is an aggressive, loud-mouthed thug, with a
 
     ....mmmmm.... on further reflection , I remember a night in London
     when I was talking to a ManU fan, who got very "excited", when I mentioned
     that I considered his club/team were less than perfect.


>     ridiculous hairstyle and terrible dress-sense ?

      I've already commented on the hair-style, but I can only surmise
      that the "dress-sense" jibe is an attempt at irony from a man with
      a Millets Gold Card, who believes that the height of sophistication
      is surf'n'turf , followed by a knickerbocker glory, all washed down
      with a bottle of Black Tower. As a wise man once said....
      "You can take the man out of the North, but you can't take the North
      out of the man".

      salut,

      Stuart


  


      
33.2063ZUR01::ASHGrahame Ash @RLEFri Oct 06 1995 16:317
>      with a bottle of Black Tower. As a wise man once said..
>      "You can take the man out of the North, but you can't take the North
>      out of the man".

Oy - Stuo, less of the generalisations or I'll set me whippet on ye.
  
grahame
33.2064XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Oct 06 1995 16:397
Re: last few

Oi, f*ck off and discuss your preferences someplace else ;-).

We've better things to discuss here.

                            James.
33.2065Like what?CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosFri Oct 06 1995 16:441
    
33.2066MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Oct 06 1995 16:466
    Like rumours of Wilko & going to the FA to become their technical
    director....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2067CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosFri Oct 06 1995 16:535
    Interesting that. The favourite for the job is Roy Hodgson because he
    isn't involved in the English game at present. Apparently, the FA want
    an outside to come in and overhaul the game.
    
    Stuart
33.2068ForresterCHEFS::JAMANISFri Oct 06 1995 18:3114
    
    I see that Jamie Forrester has been given a free transfer by Leeds.
    
    This is a shame as he was one of the young hopefuls we bought from
    Auxerre.  Unfortunately, he was never given the same chances as Deane in
    the first team.
    
    
    Shafiq
    
    
    
    
    
33.2069MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Oct 06 1995 18:416
    Yeah.. I would have like to have seen him given more of a chance in the
    first team... I sure he'll do well where ever he goes... 
             
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2070XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Oct 06 1995 18:587
Re: a few back

Like football for instance and maybe even football concerning Leeds United.

Of course it's not compulsory...

                           James.
33.2071CHEFS::CROSSAFri Oct 06 1995 19:267
    Or likely, James. Football and Leeds(X3) indeed !!
    
    Even Rick is not adverse to the odd deviation(oohh-eerr) !!!
    
    			Stretch.
    
    Anyway, back to Captain Pugwash !!!! 
33.2072MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Oct 06 1995 19:3213
    >Football and Leeds(X3) indeed !!
    
    	Huh.. and the Arsenal & ManU fans have room to speak...
    
    >Even Rick is not adverse to the odd deviation(oohh-eerr) !!!
    
    	Who me... no mate.. I'm on the straight and narrow...
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
    
    	
33.2073XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Oct 06 1995 19:438
Rick,

> I'm straight

Glad to hear it given all the problems members in 32.* are having with who
they'd like to take on holidays :-).

          James (using a little poetic license on Rick's reply).
33.2074MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Oct 06 1995 20:158
    Unbelievable... they'd rather go on holiday with Eric than go with
    Claudia.... only ManU fans would say that!
    
    Makes you wonder... 
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2075Remember Jon Blythe?XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Oct 06 1995 20:26177
Good mail about the problems hosting a major championship!  FWIW: I think
Dublin have 20K beds; Leeds have only 6K.  Both cities are roughly the 
same size!

                           James.

++

From:	XSTACY::VBORMC::"JONBLYTHE@delphi.com" "NAME 'Ee bah gum th's trouble at
t'mill'"  1-OCT-1995 22:03:25.98
To:	leeds-united@vax.ox.ac.uk
CC:	
Subj:	LU:UEFA 96 in Leeds

Not stricltly Leeds United, but I think it will be of interest to all the 
Leeds United Noters out there (especially the more local ones).

I am getting involved with the FSA's plans to set up a Fan's Embassy in 
Leeds, on the same lines as the ones in Italia 90 and Sweden 92 - to help 
visiting fans in a strange country and ensure there are things for them to 
do, as we all know that football fans go crazy and smash things up for no 
apparent reason ...

The Football Embassies looked after things like tickets, travel, legal, 
relations with local Media / Police / Local Authorities. The Local Authority 
link is seen as very important, so John Ansbro (Director of Leeds 
Development Agency), part of Leeds City Council was present at a meeting 
held on Thursday 21st September last.

The following items were discussed :-

Euro 96 will have a lot of visiting fans - especially if Germany / Holland 
qualify and are seeded. There is also a strong possibility that Scotland 
will be based in Newcastle and Leeds.
LCC want to promote tourism.
Euro 96 is the 3rd largest tournament in the world, after the Olympics and 
the World Cup.
Need to project Leeds in the best possible light.
Seeded team will be in Leeds, and will play games on :-
	Sun 9 June 2pm
	Sat 15 June time ?
	Tue 18 June evening - however these may change subject to TV needs.
It is estimated there will be 15K seats available to the host (Joe Public) 
and 25K to the teams involved. Segregation will be very difficult, but 
fortunately England aren't playing in Leeds.
If the seeded team get through to the quarter and semis, these will be 
played at Old Trafford and Anfield - so many of the fans will opt to stay in 
Leeds as the distances aren't to bad, and the communications by public 
transport are good (and there is the M62 as well).
It is estimated there will be 10K people staying in Leeds and environs, and 
they will have a lot of time on their hands between matches.
So - these fans will need things to do and decent facilities to do it in.
LCC has found out the following :-
Money  -not a lot will come the way of the FA and Local Authorities, and 
central government isn't interested (nb in USA 94, there was a lot of 
central government involvement). This leaves the FA to organise everything.

In Leeds especially, Alan Roberts (LUFC, FA Euro overseer for Leeds and 
Newcastle), John Ansbro and West Yorkshire Police have identified 5 key 
areas :-
1. Transportation
Good signing. Traffic Control - this will be different from a LUFC home 
match, as most of the fans won't know where to go. TV will dictate things 
and could get in the way of rush hour - remember life will still be going on 
for the non-footballing public of Leeds! Air charters will put a strain on 
the 'airport' - and the woefully inadequate public transport links to Leeds 
will have to be significantly improved. Campsite transport will have to be 
provided, this may not be commerically viable for the new Leeds City Link 
(ex Yorkshire Rider) - so does this mean several thousand visiting fans will 
be left in the lurch in the middle of Leeds at night ? Roadworks will have 
to be planned not to be crippling the road network during the tournament.
North Sea Ferries have banned football fans - this will be a problem for 
Northern European based fans (and LUFC ones travelling to Holland for the 
PSV game)

2. Events
Leeds has a good range of events in the summer. Some of these could be 
rescheduled to take place during Euro 96 such as :-
Heineken Music Festival
Jazz on the Waterfront
Other attractions :-
Royal Armouries
York
Tetleys Brewery Wharf
Photogrphic Museum (Bradford)
Yorkshire in general (Gateway Yorkshire at Leeds City Station will be very 
busy)
Other things :-
Half time entertainment
Opening ceremonies
Other ideas :
Football Exhibition as part of the city's summer programme 'Football in the 
City' - Euro is for ALL the people in the city. Theatres could also have 
football related programmes.
5 a side football competions for fan's teams - possibly using the new South 
Leeds stadium, also could involve local leagues to have 'internationals' 
between the locals and guests.

3. Accommodation
(no, not 'Superior Student Accommodation :-) )
The Universities will still be in session, so the Halls of Residence will 
not be available.
Leeds has 5-6 K bedspaces, but these will be used by normal commerce.
The regional tourist board will have to find bedspaces in West and parts of 
North Yorkshire.
Campsites will need to be provided - with amenities (not a tap in a field 4 
miles from habitation)
There will be a lot of backpackers - so hostel style accommodation will be 
needed.

4. Safety / Security
Normal matchday security will have to be modified.
There will be 'cultural differences' - ie the waving of flags and the use of 
flares, England now has stewarded and not policed stadia.
Seacroft / Beeston / Bramley man may find the town being full of 'f*ing 
foreigners' too good an opportunity to start trouble.
Teams and journo's need to be looked after.
Who is accredited ?
Interpreters in hospitals / police stations / fan's embassies.

5. Image / Media
1000 or so journos will be in Leeds
TV facilities (YTV and the BBC have a presence already)
How will the city present itself ?


The biggest problem will be that the teams who will be in Leeds aren't known 
yet, the draw will be on 17 Dec in Birmingham.

Differing local authorities have differing ideas - The Rust Ciry wants to 
have curfews on alcohol and to get the fans out of the city  - how 
enlightened, and the locals won't like that at all.

The fan profile is very country dependent, and will also be affected by the 
means of ticket distribution - the 'all in' deals will attract a more 
affluent supporter than the el cheapo 36 hours on a bus type trip.

There is a further meeting on MONDAY 9 OCTOBER 1995 at the Adelphi, ko 8pm. 
All are welcome - the more ideas / people willing to help the better. If any 
of you have any comments or suggestions, mail them to me rather than use the 
list, and I will take them along to the meetings.

A WWW page would be a good idea, I know Leeds Council are putting one 
together for Leeds as a City, perhaps they could extend it to cater for Euro 
96 (or even set up a list like this one - how is this done / what resources 
are needed etc etc ?)

jb.


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33.2076An indication of the full team vewrsion ???????CHEFS::CROSSAMon Oct 09 1995 14:149
    TWO NIL UNITED, LADS !!!!!  (O.K So it was only the reserves....)
    
    
                    Cheers,
    			Stretch.
    
    
    
    P.S James, Cheers for the poetry. Keep 'em coming.
33.20772-0...2-0...2-0...2-0...IOSG::STANDAGEMy hovercraft is full of eelsMon Oct 09 1995 14:387
    
    Well, you'd hardly expect Leeds to score - Yeboah isn't in the
    reserves...
    
    -Kevin.
    
    
33.2078The main match is on the 24th December!!! :->MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Oct 09 1995 14:495
    But at least Mr. Blunt claimed a victim.. :->
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2079XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Mon Oct 09 1995 14:506
The two goals the United reserves got were in the last five minutes of the
game.  Considering what players MUFC had in the reserves team it's not
really surprising they won :-(.  I'd not previously heard of Blunt playing
for Leeds :-).
 
                             James.
33.2080MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Oct 09 1995 14:525
    Who was in the Leeds & Manc teams??
    
    Cheers,
    
    Rick.
33.2081objective opinion as usual.....CHEFS::CROSSAMon Oct 09 1995 15:1812
    Who cares,Rick, WE WON !!!!
    
    
    
    
                      Gloating_Stretch.
    
    P.S C'mon Dave, make the most of it. 
    
    I am only glad the full team version is during the Christmas break,
    during which time I shall be in the 'Dam and braincells will be on
    other matters.
33.2082MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Oct 09 1995 15:4613
    >Gloating_Stretch.
    
    	Carm down Stretch.. you'll blow a blood vessel... 
    
    	You may have won the battle... (playing with a nearly first full
    team squad ) but you won't win the war.... we will have our revenge!
    
    	May I take you back to the FA Youth Cup... I think our youngsters
    won that & beat some poor North West team!!!!! 
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2083CHEFS::EDWARDSDMon Oct 09 1995 16:5717
    >You may have won the battle... (playing with a nearly first full 
    >team squad )
    
    Hmmm, considering that Keane,Irwin,Butt and Beckham are injured,
    Pallister, Neville, Giggs and Schmeichel (?) are on international duty,
    it seems a tad unlikely that Utd fielded "nearly first full team
    squad".  However, I am prepared to be proven wrong, and therefore fully
    expect you to enter here Utd's line-up in order to do just that.
    
    >May I take you back to the FA Youth Cup... I think our youngsters
    
    I presume you are referring to 1994 ?  Is it not bad enough that Utd
    fans are gloating over the antics of the reserve team, without the
    Sheep retaliating with 18 month old tales of victory by their brats.
    Hmm, come back Malc and Matt - all is forgiven.   
    
    Dave
33.2084The way things are, any win will do ......CHEFS::CROSSAMon Oct 09 1995 17:093
    Cheers, Dave !!!
    
    			Stretch.
33.2085CHEFS::EDWARDSDMon Oct 09 1995 17:141
    Get a life !!!
33.2086I have a happy life (?)CHEFS::CROSSAMon Oct 09 1995 19:423
    I have Dave. I note in the Reading topic as well !!!!
    
    			Stretch.
33.2087MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Oct 10 1995 15:557
    Leeds vs Arsenal
    
    	Yeboah 5 - Dutch failure 0
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2088CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosTue Oct 10 1995 15:598
    <YAWN>
    
    Rick (with a silent P), 
    
    Your willingness to discuss the finer points of football never ceases to
    amaze.
    
    Stuart                                                               
33.2089XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Oct 10 1995 16:336
Re -1 and -2

I see that Rick and Stuart are engaging in some friendly? banter again -
exciting times in 33.*.

                           James.
33.2090MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Oct 10 1995 16:579
    As per usual... :->
    
    James... what do you think the chances of getting Gordon Strachan back
    from Coventry City... I'm not quite sure if he'd make a good
    replacement for Wilko... 
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2091CHEFS::CROSSATue Oct 10 1995 17:1917
    Rick,
       ref - Mr Strachan. From what it said on teletext last night it seems
    Mr S is on a very long contract. Coventry also feel that the capture of
    Gordon was a major coup, and he is the kind of upstanding chap who
    would not break said contract. I suppose it all depends on Wilko going
    for the technical directors job which this all hangs on. Is he not
    happy enough at Elland Road ??? It seems that this is not the best time
    to leave, given the performances of late (no sarcasm !!! Am I ill ???)
    by the Leeds (x3) team. 
    
    The only other thing that I found odd when Gordon first went to
    Coventry was the fact that he was being being groomed for the managers
    job but ended up putting his boots back on again for Coventry.
    
    
    			Stretch.
    
33.2092XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Oct 10 1995 17:367
I reserve judgement on Strach until I see how Coventry
get on this season.  Things haven't started too well for
them AFAIK.  Wilko will need some encouragement to step
down from Leeds prematurely so I think Stractan has at
least 2 years to audition for the job.

                     James.
33.2093CHEFS::EDWARDSDTue Oct 10 1995 17:4010
    Surely Coventry's season will be influenced more by BFR than Strachan -
    after all, he is still the manager.  I don't think you'll learn
    anything about Strachan's managerial potential whilst BFR is at the
    helm. 
    
    If the Madman accepts the job at the F.A, and Strachan isn't available,
    who would you see as a possible replacement ?  
    
    Rick (with a silent P), 
    Try and answer this one without using the word "Yeboah" in the reply.
33.2094MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Oct 10 1995 18:0710
    I'd like to see George G. take the roll... he did well at Arsenal... I
    think he has a good track record ( apart from the odd black mark etc. )
    
    Other than that.. I don't know... from the current crop of Premiership
    managers I couldn't think of anyone who could really take over from
    Wilko... there isn't anyone who is good enough... 
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick. 
33.2095CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosTue Oct 10 1995 18:149
    Rick (With a Silent P),
    
    There is a flaw in your comments about GG. He is banned until July
    1996. The new Technical Director is to take up his position on 1
    January 1996. Will the Leeds Board (& Supporters) be capable of waiting
    that long, especially as they could still be involved in 3 cup
    competitions.
    
    Stuart
33.2096MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Oct 10 1995 18:188
    That was the only problem... :->
    
    Who is the assistant at the mo.. is he any good.. could he fill in
    until GG was ready to take over at Elland Road.
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2097What about............CHEFS::CROSSATue Oct 10 1995 18:196
    Rick What about your good mate Alex F. Good track record, diplomatic
    ,never a bad word too say about other teams etc etc
    
    			Helpful_Stretch.
    
    
33.2098MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Oct 10 1995 18:235
    What... taggart.. you must be <range of colourful expressions>!!!
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2099MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Oct 12 1995 18:4011
    >It was a shame to see Gary McAllister get injured,
    
    	Not 'alf... it looks like Leeds will have a hard time against PSV
    without him.... I think its time to go an by John Collins...
    
    	So Stretch... you have a Leeds player in your team... by the end of
    the year we will have converted you... you'll love Leeds...:->
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2100The ball's in your court, Stretch !!CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Thu Oct 12 1995 18:446
    Stretch,
    
    	Are you gonna tell him, or shall I !!
    
    
    		Ian.
33.2101Wot, no Yeboah !CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Oct 12 1995 18:468
    This may seem a totally irrelevant question for this note, but does
    anyone know if/when the next African Nations cup takes place ?  The
    reason I ask is that I've not heard too much about it in the football
    press, and yet it normally takes place in the same year as the European
    Nations Cup.  Obviously, this tournament now impacts English clubs more
    than ever with the increasing number of African players in the Premier
    League eg Yeboah, and I seem to recall that the competition has
    previously taken place during our winter. 
33.2102But he'll score 'Goal of the Season' against MancU! MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Oct 12 1995 18:486
    It takes places in January I think... cos Mr. Y won't be available for
    the Liverpool match....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2103CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Oct 12 1995 18:596
    Thanks Rick.
    
    I suppose it's possible that Yeboah will miss a game or 2 in December
    as well eh ?  No doubt he'll be required to train with the rest of the
    squad before the tournament starts.  Wouldn't it be a shame if he has
    to miss the Utd game !!!!!
33.2104It gets better !!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAThu Oct 12 1995 19:1015
    Rick ,
    	I have had over a decade of propaganda from a couple of deluded
    chums as to the wonders of Leeds (x3). I do not feel an overwhelming
    urge to cross the Pennines at present and as long as the grey matter is
    relatively intact things will stay as they are. I already pledge my
    allegience to a bunch of lower class players and feel the addition of a
    second team of that calibre is more than my heart could take !!! (no
    offence Reading fans, I will be there on Saturday for the Huddersfeild
    match)
    
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S I will tell you the whole sordid story about my Fantasy fitba team
    next Friday assuming a) That Rutherford can keep his trap shut
    (doubtful) b) You find your way over the post house and meet us !!!
33.2105Rick, who is Leeds (x3) local derby?CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Oct 12 1995 19:226
    Rick,
    
    Looks like January and February are going to cracking months for Leeds
    (x3) then - Losing a manager and your team.
    
    Stuart
33.2106MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Oct 12 1995 19:3718
    > who is Leeds (x3) local derby? 
    
    	Well at the moment it is Sheffield Wednesday ( Who lost 2-0 )
    thanks to the mighty Mr. Y. 
    
    	But if Huddersfield can get promoted then that will be the local
    derby... :->
    
    > Looks like January and February are going to cracking months for
    > Leeds (x3) then - Losing a manager and your team.
    
    Yep.. its going to be something to look forward too... I just can't
    wait... I'm sure you'll all be very supportive of the Leeds  fans
    through the trying time ahead for the Leeds team... 
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2107MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Oct 12 1995 19:489
    Carling Player of the Month for September is ..... 
    
    
    
    	Mr. Tony Yeboah.
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2108CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Oct 12 1995 19:5210
    Rick,
    
    Aah that explains the advert I saw.
    
    In this months 442, there is an advert for videos entitled "Classic 
    Local Derbies", you know Arsenal v Spurs, Man U v Man C, probably 
    consisting of maulings handed out to your local rivals. All Leeds 
    had was "Leeds v The Roses". Bet Percy Thrower is p1$$ed off.
    
    Stuart                                 
33.2109XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Oct 13 1995 13:5310
Big game tomorrow: home to Arsenal!

Although Macca will be missing I've got a good feeling about the
game.  Yeboah will probably get on the score sheet as will Deane
or Masinga.  Arsenal will be hard pressed to get anything out of 
the game.  I hope BBC 5 will have live commentary on the game :-).

Why do you think Stu S.?

                        James.
33.2110CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosFri Oct 13 1995 14:0016
    James,
    
    I naturally share your optimism about the result. Don't quite follow
    your logic though about why Arsenal will be hard-pressed to get
    anything from the result because Deane is playing. He isn't a problem.
    Masinga only gets on the scoresheet when Linighan plays, so we're
    alright on that score. As for McAllister being missing, he is the main
    midfield fella at Leeds and will be sorely missed. I would expect Keown
    to be in the side to man-mark Yeboah and that is what he is good at.
    
    I somehow don't think that you will get to listen to the game as the
    Manc derby will probably take precedence.
    
    Stuart
    
    Stuart
33.2111YUPPY::OHAGANBFri Oct 13 1995 14:175
    Bergkamp is out for tomorrow's game but this information came via Messrs 
    Cadd and Stacey, both Leeds fans, (whom some of you in here might know) 
    so it's probably not true. ;^)         
    
    Barry.
33.2112XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Oct 13 1995 14:373
> Messrs Cadd and Stacey

You do mean messers Cadd and Stacey ;-)!
33.2113Messy WELSWS::CADDL.U.F.C. League champions 1991/92Fri Oct 13 1995 14:508
    
    
    I'll have you know James that i kept all my food on my plate when we
    went to that Leeds dinner :-)
    
    (ps) got me ticket for PSV away...
    
    Paul
33.2114MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Oct 13 1995 14:556
    
    Hey its that man Paul Cadd... I was wondering if you were still at DEC..
             
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2115MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Oct 13 1995 16:278
    Well it looks like most of the International predictions have come down
    on the side of Leeds United instead of the Arse....
    
    Any comment Stu??
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2116Er, you haven't received the mail then?CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosFri Oct 13 1995 16:425
    Rick,
    
    Put your money (or beer, in this case) where your mouth is.
    
    Stuart
33.2117Beer only.. :->MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Oct 13 1995 17:0713
    Stuart... ( and only Stuart.. I know what you lot are like..;->)
    
    Go on then... I'll bet you 1 (One) pint on Leeds winning... 
    
    if it a draw then we'll call it quits...
    
    And if Arsenal loose ( which these will ) then mines a pint of 1664.
    
    What do you say?
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2118Still Not Reading Mails, eh?CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosFri Oct 13 1995 17:105
    re -1
    
    Yer on. 
    
    Stuart
33.2119XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Oct 13 1995 17:149
Re -a few back

Paul,

The only way to flush out some RON's (Read Only Noters) is to insult them!

Has Alan Stacey figured out where the "create reply" button is yet?

                           James.
33.2120MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Oct 13 1995 17:145
    This will be the easiest pint of beer I've ever won! :->
             
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2121YUPPY::OHAGANBFri Oct 13 1995 18:1710
>Has Alan Stacey figured out where the "create reply" button is yet?

>                           James.
    
    
    If he has, James, then there's something wrong with our network security
    as Alan joined Kleinwort Benson a few months back. :^)
                                                  
    Barry. 
33.2122XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Oct 13 1995 19:315
Re -1

No wonder it was so quiet in here ;-).

                         James.
33.2123A virtual pint?XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Oct 13 1995 19:326
Re -a few back

Any chance that I could have a virtual pint with you too Stu on tomorrow's
match (on the off chance I ever meet you)?

                           James.
33.2124Damn.. blast.. I'm not looking forward to Friday...MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Sun Oct 15 1995 15:157
    Hmmm..
    
    	Well its only a game....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2125Rick, Mines a pint of....CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosMon Oct 16 1995 10:2713
    James,
    
    I shall enjoy the 'virtual pint' almost as much as the one Rick (with a
    silent P) owes me.
    
    There is a saying about being as gracious in victory as you are in
    defeat....
    
    
    but I sincerely doubt that Messrs Morrell and Lundon would have given
    me 5 seconds peace if Leeds (x3) had won so why should I give them any?
    
    Mr Smug.
33.2126MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Oct 16 1995 11:2310
    Hmmm...
    
    I hate southern editions of the Sunday & Monday papers... if Leeds win
    then we get a small mention... but if the Arse/Totteringham etc win
    then there is a special pull-out match report with LOADS of pictures
    which you can treasure forever......
    
    Cheers,
    
    Mr. Bitter & Twisted of Leeds....
33.2127But Then you found this out on SaturdayCHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosMon Oct 16 1995 11:295
    Rick (with a silent P)
    
    The reason for this is to let you know how good us Southerners are.
    
    Mr Smug
33.2128NewspapersCHEFS::WEAVERDMon Oct 16 1995 11:5710
    RE .2126
    
    I should probably be keeping quiet this morning, but I wholeheartedly
    agree with the criticism of Southern edition papers. I can often only
    get any Villa match reports if they are playing a southern team or are
    in a cup final or something. The only exception was when we beat Man U
    at the start of the season. This seemed to get front page billing in
    the southern rags,
    
    Derek
33.2129CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosMon Oct 16 1995 11:595
    re -1
    
    >in a cup final
    
    So thats not to often then.
33.2130MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Oct 16 1995 12:137
    >how good us Southerners are.
    
    	Hmmm... us Northerners will have our revenge....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2131What the bloody hell was all that about ???????CHEFS::CROSSAMon Oct 16 1995 12:158
    So Stuart, had Mr Merson heard about the alcohol and gambling at stake
    here. Seems to have been the inspiration he needed. Not that it upsets
    me 'cos he's in my fantasy team !!!!
    
    
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S But there again so is that goal machine Yeboah !!!
33.2132An apologyCHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosMon Oct 16 1995 14:1710
    I have an apology to make. In previous notes, I have indicated that
    Tony Yeboah is the reason Leeds are doing wel and I also indicated that
    my view was that they were a one man team.
    
    I was wrong.
    
    
    Its Gary McAllister who's the one man team.
    
    Stuart
33.2133MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Oct 16 1995 20:0117
    Well it looks like Brian Deane, Gary Kelly & Gary (Super Model) Speed
    are out of tomorrow nights match... 
    
    I think we're going to loose this game... I have that gut feeling... I
    home I'm wrong...
    
    If any one is interested ( cos I know Stu, Stretch & Dave will be
    supporting Leeds all the way...
    
    
    
    ..out of the UEFA cup ), the match is supposed to be shown on the Dutch
    Sat staion Veronica... starting at 8pm....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2134Is it scambled ?COMICS::LINDLEYTue Oct 17 1995 15:1010
RE: Veronica

Channel 51 on satellite. I wonder if they are going to scamble the transmission.
Does anyone in Holland know......

The only time I've seen anything on this channel is some DJ sitting in a studio
playing records. But then this is probably better than watching Leeds getting
beat again :-(

Brian
33.2135MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Oct 17 1995 15:468
    They usually have some films on which aren't scrambled ...
    
    Anyway I'm rushing off home tonight to see if its unscrambled...
    otherwise I'll have to depend radio 5...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2136MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Oct 18 1995 11:5619
    Excellent match... one of the most entertaining football games I've
    seen in ages.... I watched it on Dutch TV, with radio 5 on in the
    background... excellent start... though the Dutch player should have
    been sent off for the tackle on Macca... he went straight for his right
    ankle after he'd just recovered from injury.
    
    Leeds went behind to a couple of chance goals... but the free kick by
    PSV & Maccas goal were excellent... Our defence was rubbish... I think
    we should place an adcert in the local rag :
    
    	"Lost : Leeds United back four... if found please contact
    		Mr. H Wilkinson, Elland Road. " 
    
    Well it looks like we may be out of the cup... we have to go and win 3-0 in
    Holland... but all is not lost... its still possible.           
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick. 
33.2137Score!IOSG::LAYNEWed Oct 18 1995 12:053
    so waht was the final score - I heard 3-1 at half time.
    
    William
33.2138MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Oct 18 1995 12:089
    Leeds 3 - PSV 5
    
    Everything to play for in the second leg....
    
    	Yeboah always does better away from home...
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2139IRNBRU::HOWARDLovely Day for a GuinnessWed Oct 18 1995 12:587
    What about the free kick by Jonk, (I think..). I thought that at a free
    kick situation the player taking the free had to strike the ball
    cleanly, (i.e. not `lift' the ball like last night)....
    
    ....apart from that, it was an absolute cracker of a match....
    
    Ray....
33.2140MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Oct 18 1995 13:276
    Maybe we should complain & get the leg replayed... just like 3 years
    ago...
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2141Well, at the end of the day....it gets dark.YUPPY::OHAGANBWed Oct 18 1995 15:547
    
   > Everything to play for in the second leg...
    
    Rick, you were'nt wearing a sheepskin jacket and talking into a
    microphone when you typed that were you. :^)
    
    Barry (Davis).
33.2142Great game - shame about the resultCOMICS::LINDLEYWed Oct 18 1995 16:0215
Like Rick, I also watched the game on dutch tv with the radio 5 commentary.
Great game, shame about the result, but we were just knackered at the end of
the game having fought back to 3-3, when PSV scored their forth and fifth.

I thought the flick free kick was illegal as well. I thought the rule was
changed after the famous Ernie Hunt effort for Coventry. Doesn't the ball have
roll the circumference, or something daft like that .?

Rick, do you know if the away leg is on Veronica as well ? We are probably out
of the UEFA cup now, but lets hope the defense gets sorted after this result. We
should have brought Mark Wright, when we were rumoured to been interested in him.

On a happier note - Wilkinson has turned down the job at the F.A. 

Brian
33.2143MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Oct 18 1995 16:146
    
    Well it was certainly a game of two halves...
    
    The lads did well....
    
    
33.2144MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Oct 18 1995 16:1814
    >Rick, do you know if the away leg is on Veronica as well ?
    
    	I would have thought so... I hope so anyway...
    
    It will be an excellent game..... The second leg will be like the
    Leeds - Stuttgart game.. where we ended up 4 goals a drift... & would
    have won if the Germans hadn't cheated....  ( We won the replay 2-1 :-)
    
    	I wonder if its worth complaining about the free kick.... maybe PSV
    will get disqualified... :->>>
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2145Hateley......Oh I say !!!!!CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Wed Oct 18 1995 16:246
    Rick,
    
    	You would only go and lose in the next round anyway !!!
    
    
    Ian.
33.2146MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Oct 18 1995 16:296
    Probably so.... "Blind" John would probably punch the ball into his own
    net again.. after being blinded by the lights...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2147CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Oct 18 1995 16:378
    Rick,
    
    Lets face it, Leeds(x3) have been sussed. Keep McAllister quiet, stop
    Yeboah from scoring and you've got it made. The only defender of any
    note at Leeds (x3) is Gary Kelly. The rest of the team are not worth
    picking.
    
    Stuart
33.2148MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Oct 18 1995 16:4111
    Sorry I disagree....
    
    Dorigo played his little socks of last night.. so did Brian Deane &
    Gary Speed....
    
    We've got a good team.... we just need to do something with the
    defence...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2149CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Oct 18 1995 16:5614
    Rick,
    
    > We've got a good team
    
    No, you've got a mediocre team relying on the efforts of 2, maybe 3,
    players. That has been proven in the last 2 games.
    
    The problem Leeds(x3) face is one of predictability. Arsenal have faced
    this for the last 3 seasons and only a change of manager (and of
    managerial philosophy) can resolve this. Wilkinson was recently quoted
    as saying that he had a 7 year plan for Leeds (x3). His time must be up
    by now?
    
    Stuart
33.2150MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Oct 18 1995 17:0518
    >he had a 7 year plan for Leeds (x3).
    
    	Well we completed what he wanted to do in the 7 years... get
    promoted & win the league.... 
    
    	> a mediocre team relying on the efforts of 2
    
    	I think the team is actually better than the team that won the
    league... we've got a lot of good youngsters who are coming into the
    team.. such as Whelan & Couzens.... its just going to take a little bit
    of time for us to gel..
    
    	What we wanted last year was a goal scorer.. and we've got one..
    although he hasn't scored a lot at Elland Road... 
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2151Oh dear (x3)CHEFS::CROSSAWed Oct 18 1995 17:3317
    Rick,
    
    Two goals at Elland road for Tony I beleive.
    
    I am about to say something that I can guarantee will be miscontrued by
    at least one noter. The goals conceeded last night (by both sides) were
    of very high quality,as they should be at this level. I think Rick, of
    all people !! is being a little harsh on his defence, and Lukic here.
    
    This is NOT an admission of support. 3-1 at half time had a huge smile
    on my face. 5-3 at full time, and I could visualise todays notes
    already. Shame I have not had the time to get embroiled. Mind you I
    will continue more fully with this later when I have a moment or at the
    Post House on Friday. Bet you can't wait for Friday Rick !!!
    
    
    			Happy_Stretch.
33.2152CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Oct 18 1995 17:5617
    Rick,
    
    > Well we completed what he wanted to do in the 7 years... get
    > promoted & win the league....
    
    Not quite. In a recent interview on TV, Wilkinson stated that he wished
    to leave Leeds (x3) with a dynasty. Leeds (x3) *are* a great distance
    short of this target. Since they won the League, Leeds (x3) have not
    seriously challenged for any trophies. That hardly smacks of Howard
    succeeding in his aims.
    
    The current team is some way short of making a championsip challenge.
    It will be difficult for teams to win at Elland Road but Leeds (x3) are
    not a club destined for greatness for decades to come if they rely on
    their current squad.
    
    Stuart
33.2153Leeds (x3) PSV (x5)CHEFS::EDWARDSDWed Oct 18 1995 18:4718
    Rick,
    
    A couple of weeks ago, Mr Stratford suggested that Leeds were a one-man
    team, and that man was Yeboah.
    
    A few days ago, he revised his opinion and suggested that Leeds were a
    one-man team, and that man was McAllister.
    
    After your last 2 results, I think there is only one logical
    conclusion... 
    
    Leeds are actually an eleven-man team - unfortunately they're all crap !
    
    
    BTW - for information on creating a dynasty at a club, please refer to
    a Mr A Ferguson, c/o Manchester United Football Club - he might point
    you in the right direction.
    
33.2154Shouldn't that read.....MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Oct 18 1995 20:0411
    > for information on how not to create a dynasty at a club,
    
    and how to crash out of European football competitions to Russian tractor
    factory B teams in the first round.....
    
    >please refer to a Mr A Ferguson, c/o Manchester United Football Club -
    >he will point you in the right direction.
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2155CHEFS::CROSSAWed Oct 18 1995 20:165
    Roll on Friday eh Rick ???
    
    
    			Stretch.
    
33.2156CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Oct 18 1995 20:239
    Rick,
    
    So what you are telling us is that Leeds (x3) have never lost to a
    "smaller" team in European Competition?
    
    Perhaps you would be so good as to post the full results of Leeds (x3)
    so that we can judge for ourselves.
    
    Stuart 
33.2157CHEFS::EDWARDSDWed Oct 18 1995 20:248
    err, you're missing the point Rick.  The Madman has failed to
    capatalise on the Sheep's success 3 years ago.  Compare and contrast
    the fortunes of Man Utd and Leeds since 91/92.  Ferguson has improved
    the whole structure of the club.  The Utd team on Saturday contained 5 
    players that have represented England at U-21 level during the past 12
    months - Leeds have, err, Brian Deane.  Hmmm, some dynasty.
    
    Looking forward to Friday .....
33.2158I like Leeds... you like (Hmmmm).. Poor you... MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Oct 19 1995 01:2811
    > Looking forward to Friday .....
    
    	It's not a gang up on the Leeds supporter convention is it...
    
    	I might have to get lost on the way over to the Posthouse.. :->
    
        Its a tricky place to find at times.. 
    	
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2159??IOSG::LAYNEFri Oct 20 1995 12:165
    Rick,
    
    This maybe a silly question, but what does the (x3) after Leeds stand for?
    
    William                         
33.2160Leeds, Leeds, LeedsYUPPY::PANESAn honest face and a stupid hairstyleFri Oct 20 1995 12:210
33.2161Are you coming over at 1 o'clock now Rick ??CHEFS::CROSSAFri Oct 20 1995 12:326
    'Cos thats as much of a sentence as they can handle when it comes to
    singing !!! Something about goldfish and memory spans spring to mind !!
    
    			Cheers,
    
    				Stretch.
33.2162Erm...Excuse me but....CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Fri Oct 20 1995 12:4217
    you mean like....
    
    	"Blue Army, Blue Army" @ your beloved Reading
    
    	or even
    
    	"Royals, Royals, Royals also @ your beloved Reading
    
    	Oh, and then there's 
    
    	"R...E...A...D...I...N...G...Reading !!! from guess where !!
    
    
    	Now what was that you were saying about goldfish ??
    
    
    	Ian.
33.2163MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Oct 20 1995 12:457
    >Are you coming over at 1 o'clock now Rick ??
    
    	Yep... I should be there...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2164CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosFri Oct 20 1995 14:576
    Rick,
    
    Not a very loyal supporter are you? Predicting that Man City will win.
    Hardly smacks of a dynasty being built at The Sheep Farm.
    
    Stuart
33.2165MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Oct 20 1995 15:0310
    Well our record at Man City isn't very good... esp. after being
    defeated in European competitions.... ( i.e. 4-0 & 2-0 in 1992... etc.
    )
    
    I'm just trying to win points in the predictions competition... I hope
    I'm proved wrong....
     
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.  
33.2166On the other hand it might be Sir Clive Sinclair..MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Sun Oct 22 1995 19:0916
        
    Well as I predicted.. Man City had most of the play in the game... we
    were lucky not to be defeated by the account in the Sunday Express...
    but a least we came away with a point.. 
            
    According to Ceefax we are going to sign Richard Jobson from Oldham on
    Monday for $1,000,000 and we're also being linked with Sinclair from
    QPR for ~$4.5 million....
            
            Cheers,
            
                Rick.
        
    
    
    
33.2167OffIOSG::LAYNEMon Oct 23 1995 11:275
    Hey you Leeds supporter,
    
    "KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF SINCLAIR"
    
    William (sorry_for_shouting!!!)
33.2168MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Oct 23 1995 11:365
    Bill... you know he wants to leave & join a big club like Leeds....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2169MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Oct 26 1995 12:2515
    Derby 0 - Leeds "Super Model" United 1
    
    		Gary "Super Model" Speed
    
    A good match by all accounts... Derby had the best of the first half...
    but their finishing let them down... and in the second half Leeds had
    the upper hand with Speed converting a Nigel Worthless corner around
    about the 79 minute mark.
    
    Blackburn in the next round... we have a good chance on getting into
    the 1/4 finals....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2170I'm back!XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Oct 26 1995 21:2032
First note in ages...

The virtual pint is your Stu, if I ever get to meet you :-).

Our last four games have been quite poor IMHO: 

Arsenal 0-3
PSV 3-5
Man City 0-0
Derby 1-0

In none of the games did Leeds play well (except maybe for the PSV
game but then we conceded 5 goals in that game).  Yeboah hasn't scored
in any of them and our defence / midfield haven't been exactly winning
universal plaudits for their performances. 

Leeds aren't good enough!  Extra players are need both in defence and
midfield if we are to stay in the top five in the league and have any
chance in either domestic cup (already assuming that PSV will get past
us next week!).  Yeboah might be the best striker in the game at the
moment, but for christ's sake he cannot score if he doesn't get the
ball! 

I see we've gotten Blackburn in the fizzy pop cup.  I think we can 
beat them!  Beating PSV by three clear goals is nigh impossible as I 
don't think we will be able to 1) score at least three times and 2)
keep a clean sheet.  The league looks to be already beyond us given
the start Newcastle has made this season and the slip-ups we've
already made e.g. losing to QPR at home and only drawing with Man
City/Southampton away 

                          James.
33.2171MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Oct 27 1995 12:4710
    Come on James.. be more positive... we can beat PSV.. we've done it
    before against Stuggart.... :->
    
    As for Trevor Sinclair... 10 million quid.. you must be joking.. more
    like 4.5 million plus David White... he's the ideal replacement for a
    team which is going into the 1st Division...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2172CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosFri Oct 27 1995 12:486
    Rick,
    
    but why would Trevor Sinclair want to join a team that is "going into
    the 1st Division"?
    
    Stuart
33.2173MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Oct 27 1995 12:503
    Hohoho..
    
    
33.2174MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Oct 30 1995 12:1913
    Coventry 1 - Leeds 3
    
    		(Ooooo Gary.. Gary...
    		 Gary.. Gary.. Gary..) McAllister 3
    
    Just the result we needed before our "against the odds" win over PSV...
    with McAllister being in outstanding form... unlike the rest of the
    Leeds side.... but I suppose it make a change only letting in 1 goal
    rather than 3 or 5... 
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick. 
33.2175XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Mon Oct 30 1995 19:1510
Re: -1

We were lucky though as Blind John kept us in the game
during the second half!

Losing to Coventry would have been the straw to break
this camel's back vis a vis current team selection /
form / manager!

                    James.
33.2176MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Oct 30 1995 19:2612
    I must admit... drawing with teams like Man City, Southampton & being
   defeated by Arsenal, QPR etc. have been really bad results.. and did
    test my resolve...  
    
    Lets hope we can turn it around.... *:-/
    
    I must admit I'd still like to see GG take over after he comes back
    into management.... a manager with a proven track record etc... 
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2177You heard it here first - get your wad on itXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Oct 31 1995 14:035
PVC 1 - 4 Leeds

We'll frame up those window makers tonight!

                         James.
33.2178XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Oct 31 1995 14:044
re -1

Yeboah's been saving up all his goals for tonight's
rout!
33.2179???ZUR01::ASHGrahame Ash @RLETue Oct 31 1995 14:061
Window makers?!!
33.2180MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Oct 31 1995 14:1611
    >Yeboah's been saving up all his goals for tonight's
    >rout!
    
    	I hope so.... 
    
    	Tonight... Tonight is the night... when the world will tremble at
    the skill & power of Tony Yeboah....   
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2181re-1 or laugh when Leeds (x3) get dickedCHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosTue Oct 31 1995 14:201
    
33.2182XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Oct 31 1995 14:313
PSV -> PVC -> PVC windows -> makers of such wares!

I don't say it wasn't stupid did I?
33.2183MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Oct 31 1995 14:345
    Even if we lose it will be a moral victory....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick
33.2184CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosTue Oct 31 1995 14:377
    James,
    
    .2182
    
    Applying feminine logic to a situation, eh?
    
    Stuart
33.2185XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Oct 31 1995 18:215
Re -1

Why not?  My mother was a woman ;-).

                     James.
33.2186CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosTue Oct 31 1995 18:305
    re -1
    
    Really? I'm informed that all Leeds (x3) fans are sheep, therefore as
    Mr Spock was fond of saying, your assertion that your mother was a
    woman is "illogical".
33.2187CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Nov 01 1995 11:268
    Good result for Leeds (x3) last night. 3 - 0. Wonder who they will get
    in the next round. Bet you Leeds (x3) are well chuffed with the game.
    
    
    Oh you mean PSV won 3 - 0. Sorry, I thought Yeboah had scored a
    hattrick. Silly me.
    
    Stuart
33.2188MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Nov 01 1995 11:5220
    Well.. such is life....
    
    At least we didn't go out in the first round... like some other
    teams.... and at least Liverpool went out as well... I would be more
    gutted this morning if I was a Liverpool fan...  
    
    They had a "Good 0-0 draw away from home" .. what a load of rubbish...
    away draws are never good... you need at least one goal as a cushion..
    or else you leave yourself exposed to the away goals rule... as was
    proved last night...
    
    Last nights game was almost as bad as the first... the passing was
    terrible... and the shooting was pretty poor as well.. 
    
    Well at least Leeds can concentrate on getting some new central
    defenders... I suggest buying the two from Brondby...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2189CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Nov 01 1995 12:053
    Rick,
    
    Do we take it that you are upset. Aaah, ain't that sad.
33.2190MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Nov 01 1995 12:078
    >Upset
    
    No not really... it has just brought a few truths home to roost... I
    think we'll have a new manager before too long...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick. 
33.2191Hasn't HW got a couple of years to fulfill his plans/ambitions?CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Nov 01 1995 12:106
    Rick,
    
    Given the events of recent days, I somehow doubt that you will get your
    wish and see a certain Mr Graham in the 'Elland Road Hotseat'.
    
    Stuart
33.2192MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Nov 01 1995 12:148
    > Hasn't HW got a couple of years to fulfill his plans/ambitions?
    
    Well he'll be fulfilling them down the local job centre if he's not
    careful... 
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2193New Board Of Directors Wanted!!!!CHEFS::JAMANISWed Nov 01 1995 12:425
    A new Board of Directors would also be a sensible move.  We want
    Directors who want to spend money on buying players such as Jungino
    (sp?) and not gloat when they buy Beesley from Sheff Utd.
    
    Shafiq.
33.2194XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Nov 01 1995 14:307
English Soccer: RIP!

I was quite disappointed with Leeds' display last night.
It seems that the lads looked tired and were never really
in the game :-(.

                      James.
33.2195What's the deal on Brolin?XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Nov 03 1995 13:240
33.2196MiddlesbroXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Nov 03 1995 13:2610
I don't hold out much hope for Leeds away to Middlesbro tomorrow. 
Middlesbro are doing well - deservedly so.  Leeds look tired
and don't seem to have much confidence at the moment!

Prediction:  Middlesbro 2 - 1 Leeds.
Crowd: Full house 29000.

Where the f*ck has Yeboah gone to?

                          James.
33.2197MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Nov 03 1995 13:2811
    Well I haven't heard anymore about the deal so far... but it would be
    good news if it is true.... however I think we should be spending more
    money on our defence.. i.e. Someone to replace Tony Dorigo...
    
    There is no point spending lot of money on attacking players if we are
    going to give away easy goals... we're going to fall into the same trap
    as Tottenham did last year... 
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2198MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Nov 06 1995 11:3712
    SaoPauloBrough 1 - Leeds 1
        
    Good result with Middlesborough playing at 110%.. esp. for us to come
    back from behind... & Brian Deane scoring... whatever next...
        
    (ooooh) Gary ( Gary, Gary... Gary... Gary... Gary... ) McAllister
    played a blinder again... he was unlucky not to score. 
        
            Cheers,
        
            Rick.
    
33.2199MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Nov 07 1995 12:0310
    Well according to soccernet, Thomas Brolin is in Leeds discusing a
    move from Parma for 4 million squid...
        
    Another report says that we have tabled an 8 million bid for both
    Brolin & Asprilla....
        
        Cheers,
        
            Rick.
    
33.2200Blackburn Game Date?CHEFS::JAMANISWed Nov 08 1995 14:556
    Can anyone confirm when the next round of the Coca Cola Cup will be?
    
    Is this game all ticket/sold out etc.
    
    
    Shaf.
33.2201MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Nov 08 1995 14:5911
    Can't remember the date... it may vbe on the 29th Nov.
    
    	Tickets are available from the Leeds Dial a Ticket Line :
    
    		Leeds (0113) 2710710
    
    	Someone said on the mailing list that they are on sale now.
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2202CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Nov 08 1995 15:542
    According to the IRN Web page, Brolin has passed a medical and all that
    is left is for Leeds and Parma to agree a fee.
33.2203MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Nov 08 1995 16:307
    Yesssssssssssaaaahhhhhhhh!!
    
    Hope he does sign...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2204CHEFS::JAMANISWed Nov 08 1995 18:549
    Re -1
    
    Please don't hold your breath - remember Sosa and Asprilla?
    
    Until I see Brolin playing I won't believe anything!!!!
    
    
    Shafiq
    
33.2205MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Nov 08 1995 20:085
    According to radio 5.. we have signed Brolin... 
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2206CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Nov 09 1995 11:242
    According to every other news source, he will let Leeds (x3) know today
    whether or not he will sign.
33.2207What Brolin like ???COMICS::LINDLEYThu Nov 09 1995 15:1013
Serious question.... Is Brolin any good ? All I remember about him, is that goal 
he scored against England. ( nothing to shout about there then....)

Does he play wide or the left or right....?? I seem to remember he's sort of an
"inside forward"

I am afraid I'll have to reserve judgement until/if he signs...

Why are we not also trying to sign a decent defender ? Scoring goals is one
thing but if we let lots in, what's the point ?

Brian

33.2208Tomas BrolinSTKAI1::VMOTTAGNINGThu Nov 09 1995 17:3213
    Brolin made the world team after US-94.
    He had a great season last year until he got badly 
    injured almost exactly a year ago. After that
    ha have had problems to get in the starting line in
    Parma. But he is always picked to the national team.
    In Sweden he plays something like a offensive midfielder.
    I consider him as a world class playmaker when he is fit.
    The problem is that in Parma of today there is a couple 
    moore good players ( Stoichkov, Asprilla, Baggio, Zola,
    Crippa) so it is pretty hard to come back.
    I think that Leeds and Brolin will benefit if he signs.
    
    Johan
33.2209ErosCOMICS::HAWLEYIHere's 10p. Phone a man who cares!Thu Nov 09 1995 17:435
Is he the one with a face like one of those cherub things that they have on the
side of fountains?

Ian. 
33.2210CHEFS::CROSSAThu Nov 09 1995 17:473
    Yes, I think that is a good(ish) description.
    
    			Stretch.
33.2211Gnome for Sale?CHEFS::NASHThu Nov 09 1995 23:513
    
    Short Blond Git would work as well.....Maybe he should consider a move to
    Chelsea, might fit in a bit better with the other Gnomes.
33.2212CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosFri Nov 10 1995 11:023
33.2213MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Nov 10 1995 16:237
    > Apparently all is not well with the deal.
    
    	Well see... its not all over till the final whistle...
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2214CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosFri Nov 10 1995 16:313
    He isn't going to sign until at least the end of next week because (a)
    he is playing for Sweden in Turkey on Wednesday and, (b) Parma haven't
    sanctioned/started negotiations over the fee.
33.2215ET says he is on his wayGIDDAY::PARSONSPOLYCENTER on WNT SupportMon Nov 13 1995 07:274
    
    Well todays ET says Leeds & Parma sorted out most details on Friday and 
    all will be finalised tomorrow, with Brolin actually arriving next
    week.  It is not a loan, but no other details were provided.
33.2216SHock news... just inCHEFS::PANESDebbie Magee: Old dog - new tricksMon Nov 13 1995 11:337
       <<< Note 33.2215 by GIDDAY::PARSONS "POLYCENTER on WNT Support" >>>
                         -< ET says he is on his way >-
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
     I thought Beardsley was happy at Newcastle.

     Stuart
33.2217Brolin UpdateCHEFS::JAMANISMon Nov 13 1995 16:3113
33.2218Of course, that should read Leeds (x3)CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosMon Nov 13 1995 16:333
33.2219CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosMon Nov 13 1995 19:264
    Further to the previous note, the deal is apparently close to collapse
    as Leeds (x3) are unwilling to meet the players and Parmas terms.
    
    Stuart
33.2220nMARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Nov 13 1995 19:3913
    From the Leeds Mailing List :
    
    Radio Leeds news at 4pm says that after a meeting
    of the Elland Road Board, Fotherby has confirmed
    that Parma have accepted the offer Leeds made. There
    are still " a few loose ends to tie up"  and an announcement is
    expected as early as tomorrow.
    
    Also Graham Taylor is now the ex manager of Wolves
    
    -- 
    Iain 
    
33.2221CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosTue Nov 14 1995 12:159
    re -1
    
    Nothing on the news that I've seen/heard and it is only mentioned in
    the Press as a Brolin quote:
    	
    	'First, the clubs are not in agreement. Second, I have not yet
    	 fixed up with Leeds'
    
    hmm, a case of over-optimism on the mailing list?
33.2222CHEFS::EDWARDSDWed Nov 15 1995 19:265
    The latest IRN bulletin states that Brolin will *not* be joining the
    Sheep.  It goes on to say that Brolin could not agree personal terms
    with the Sheep and as a result will stay at Parma.
    
    Shame !
33.2223CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Nov 15 1995 19:313
    Perhaps Rick or Stretch would like to put into words their
    disappointment about this and the likely impact it is going to have on
    the faltering (and non-existent) title challenge by Leeds (x3)
33.2224Should provide some alternative talking after the match !!!CHEFS::CROSSAWed Nov 15 1995 19:436
    What I have to question is Strattos and Daves interest in the Leeds(x3)
    mailing lists and players supposedly joining Leeds(x3). You two have
    entered more notes in this string than Rick and myself together and
    this Leeds(x3)(crap pun) me to question your real interests chaps !!!! 
    
    			Stretch.
33.2225See you later Stretch !CHEFS::EDWARDSDWed Nov 15 1995 20:029
    >What I have to question is Strattos and Daves interest in the
    >Leeds(x3) mailing lists and players supposedly joining Leeds(x3).
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Eh ?  The IRN is an Independent news service which issues regular
    sports bulletins, accessible on the Net.  I merely thought that any
    updates on the Brolin "deal" would be of great interest to yourself and
    Rick, and therefore posted what I assume is now the resolution of the
    matter.  I do apologise if up-to-date, accurate information on your
    beloved Sheep is not what you require !
33.2226CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Nov 15 1995 20:1223
    Metric Man,
    
    >Leeds(x3) mailing lists 
    
    Err, What the hell are you on about? I've never mentioned the Leeds
    (x3) Shearing List? All those lagers are going to your wool, sorry,
    head.
    
    >and players supposedly joining Leeds(x3)
    
    This is a topic for general discussion. It concerned the attempt by a
    club to sign a world class player. If you look at the rest of the file,
    you will find various entries concerning the purchase of players by
    people who do not support said clubs. In any case, reading the recent
    entries in the Looneypool topic, a phrase containing the words "Pot",
    "kettle" and "black" springs immediately to mind.
    
    But, hey, don't get all defensive tall fella. I know you are upset
    about Mr Brolin but I' sure you'll take comfort from the fact that you
    have still got Brian Deane.
    
    
    
33.2227MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Nov 16 1995 12:097
    > Brian Deane.
    
    	Your only envious.....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2228CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Nov 16 1995 15:353
    According to IRN, Brolin is due at Elland Road for more talks this
    afternoon. However, there are reports that Parma are pulling out of the
    deal. Nothing like conducting straightforward negotiations is there?
33.2229MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Nov 16 1995 15:3912
    Of course, all the Arsenal deals went through without any problems...
    I wonder why... 
    
    
    
    
    oh yes... GG used to get a few bungs didn't he... a shinning light in
    the world of International Transfers....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2230From the internetMARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Nov 16 1995 17:1216
         
    Just when you thought every excuse in are failure to capture star name 
    transfers, a new excuse has serviced .... SNOW .
         
    Yes, due to heavy snow falls in Sweden, Brolin has been unable to 
    leave Sweden today.
         
    However, Wilko, speaking on Radio Leeds, said that he could "with a 
    reasonable amount of certainty that everything has been resolved 
    except for possibly one small point" and that he expects the signing 
    to go ahead.
         
    Radio Leeds went on to say that he could still play on Saturday 
    against Chelsea.
         
     
33.2231Brolin scores his 6th against ManU as Leeds win 10-0...MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Nov 17 1995 11:586
    Well Brolin signs for Leeds this morning & will hopefully play for us
    tomorrow against Chelsea......
             
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2232TDCIS3::M_HOTLINEMoon MonkeyFri Nov 17 1995 12:014
    The phrase "I'll believe when I see it" immediately springs to mind
    
    Gary$Cynic
    
33.2233MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Nov 17 1995 12:187
    Well the press conference to confirm the signing is in 15 minutes at
    Elland Road... so I think that is probably proof enough...
        
        Cheers,
        
            Rick.
     
33.2234WSTENG::DSMITHFri Nov 17 1995 12:378
    
    
     According to the news this morning, the stumbling block was a
    difference of 10k/week wages between the 2 sides. Wonder how
    they've come to an agreement if there's that big a difference?
    Is George Graham involved?
    
    Danny.
33.2235i can't sleep for worrying....honestCOMICS::HAWLEYIHere's 10p. Phone a man who cares!Fri Nov 17 1995 14:495
well?


Ian$disinterested_anyway.
33.2236MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Nov 17 1995 14:537
    He's joined on a 2.5 year deal, with a "review" at the end of the
    season to see how things are going along... a bit like the Yeboah
    deal....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2237Can He Play Tomorrow??CHEFS::JAMANISFri Nov 17 1995 15:247
    Rick,
    
    Do you know if he is eligible to play tomorrow?
    
    
    
Shaf
33.2238MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Nov 17 1995 15:3410
    Well they are trying to register him.... he should be registered with
    the FA before mid-day... and hopefully international clearance shoudl
    come from Italy before tomorrows kick off....
    
    He'll probably be on the subs bench as he's only play about 3 matches
    this season.
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2239CHEFS::WEAVERDFri Nov 17 1995 17:454
    Rick, I thought you were joking. This might really mean you are getting
    rid of Brian Deane. Please tell me you were joking.
    
    Derek
33.2240CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosFri Nov 17 1995 18:008
33.2241MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Nov 17 1995 18:236
    Well Yeboah had the same deal & he stayed... if Brolin performs well I
    can't see why he won't do the same....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2242CHEFS::EDWARDSDFri Nov 17 1995 18:278
    Rick,
    
    Are you not just a tad wary that Brolin is simply "using" the Sheep to
    advertise his undoubted ability ?  I'm sure a player with his talent
    would have been looking for a move to a big club and not to the
    arse-end of the world !  
    
    Dave
33.2243MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Nov 17 1995 18:319
    >move to a big club and not to the arse-end of the world ! 
    
    Well he has moved to a big club... and he didn't join ManU so he hasn't
    gone to the  arse-end of the world... or do you mean that he wouldn't
    ever join the Gooners....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2244CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosFri Nov 17 1995 18:3520
    Rick,
    
    > if Brolin performs well
      
    If he performs well, some more glamourous club will attract his
    attention with a huge wad of notes. 
    
    > I can't see why he won't do the same....
    
    Funny but I should think that some of our Sp*rs fans could enlighten you
    on footballers with these contracts.
    
    Looking at the facts, what better place than the Premiership for him to
    show his talents. Sweden failed to qualify for Euro 96 and therefore
    the only way for him to get noticed was to leave Parma. If he was
    really committed to Leeds (x3), you have to ask why he didn't sign a
    deal similar to Bergkamps, i.e. no get-out clause, because they were
    both in the same position at their respective italian clubs.
    
    Stuart
33.2245The Good, The Bad ...GIDDAY::PARSONSPOLYCENTER on WNT SupportMon Nov 20 1995 01:179
    
    Not a bad few days ...
    
    Brolin signs, Yeboah scores, Leeds win  :-)
    
    But on the other hand ...
    
    Brolin only 'really' signs until May, Leeds only beat Chelsea 1-0,
    Next week includes Forest away and Newcastle away :-(
33.2246MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Nov 20 1995 12:478
    > Next week includes Forest away 
    
    	This match had been postponed as Forest are playing in the UEFA
    cup..
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2247ForestOZROCK::OSMANArif OsmanTue Nov 21 1995 02:4610
|    	This match had been postponed as Forest are playing in the UEFA
|    cup..
|    
|    	Cheers,
|    
|    	Rick.

Has the rearranged date been announced?

--arif
33.2248MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Nov 21 1995 12:406
    Nope.. not that I know off.. hopefully it will be sometime in Feb as we
    don't want to play while TY is away at the African Championships... :->
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2249Possible interest in LimparXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Nov 21 1995 18:2142
From:	VBORMC::"RJMoxon@tico.demon.co.uk" "MAIL-11 Daemon" 21-NOV-1995 13:39:12.67
To:	leeds-united@vax.ox.ac.uk
CC:	
Subj:	Limpar

Report from Skytext:

LEEDS LINKED WITH LIMPAR
------------------------

Speculation is mounting that Howard Wilkinson is on the verge of launching a
bid for Evertons's Anders Limpar.

Following the signing of Tomas Brolin it is thought that Wilkinson has targeted
a winger for his squad.
Limpar fits the bill ideally and is an international team-mate of Brolin.

However Everton are unlikely to allow the player to leave. He is a firm 
favourite at Goodison Park and has been in fine form recently.





Becks  

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33.2250A woman of good tasteCHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosTue Nov 21 1995 18:374
    Hmmm, given that one of the reasons Limpar wanted to get away from
    Goodison was that his wife didn't want to live in Looneypool is that
    she hated the North of England, I'd be surprised if he moved to Leeds
    (x3).
33.2251MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Nov 22 1995 17:2413
    Well there are reports that we are after Anders Limpar ... and Joe
    Royal is trying to swap him fro Gary Speed... 
    
    I really think that we shouldn't get rid of Speed.. he's just some back
    into form.... and we'd want 3 million plus Limpar if we did do the
    deal....
    
    There are also reports that Limpar going to Arsenal now that GG has
    gone..
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2252Dutch courage for police and Leeds fansXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Nov 28 1995 21:02122
From:	VBORMC::"phudson@amauta.rcp.net.pe" "Peter Hudson"  6-NOV-1995
22:38:23.07
To:	leeds list <leeds-united@vax.ox.ac.uk>
CC:	
Subj:	LU: Telegraph report on PSV police


Nobody seems to have mentioned the Electronic Telegraph report on the PSV 
policing, which for once seems to be spot on, so I thought I'd post it to 
the list. Sorry if people have already seen it. Seems like the Foreign 
Office is doing the right thing by us as well so we can't complain about 
unfair treatment by anyone except the Dutch police and our own club...

BTW, I'd like to get in touch with Glynn Robinson. Is he back on the list 
or does anyone have his e-address?

Cheers,
Pete

****

Dutch police 'over the top' against fans

Foreign Office express alarm at deportation of Leeds supporters before
match against Eindhoven, reports Henry Winter

THE Foreign and Commonwealth Office have expressed alarm to the Dutch
authorities over their "over the top" treatment of Leeds United fans
deported before the Premiership club's UEFA Cup tie at PSV Eindhoven on
Tuesday.
	Of the 123 supporters arrested, the FCO said that only four had
been involved in "violent incidents; it seems the others had done nothing
more than sing songs and other harmless football-fannish things".
	The reason given by the Dutch, whose police rounded up the 119 at
Eindhoven station, was that the British fans did not possess proof of
identity, such as a passport.
	This is a legal requirement for anyone travelling to a match under
a little-known local byelaw, which even the FCO admitted yesterday they
were "greatly surprised to hear of". The Dutch insist the law was
publicised on television.
	"We have expressed our alarm and concern to the Dutch authorities,"
the spokesman continued. "The Dutch said their police were acting
according to the letter of the law, which appears to be true, but it was
still over the top."
	Problems arose because those detained had left their passports at
their Amsterdam hotels. The Dutch police were unwilling to check with the
hotels, "which was why we have complained," added the FCO spokesman.
	"The supporters were in a Catch 22 situation, as many hotels insist
on visitors leaving their passports as security."
	All the 119 Leeds fans showed their match tickets (and many club
memberships) to the police. Unfortunately, none of these tickets had been
bought through Leeds United official trip organisers. None were in the
allocated away section, giving the Dutch legitimate cause of concern.

Yesterday British diplomats in Holland were busy clearing hotel rooms
and station lockers of the deportees' belongings

Eindhoven's police clearly had advance intelligence, though the FCO stress
there was no indication that these 119 were anything but innocent
supporters.
	All 119 fans and the four trouble-makers were detained overnight
before being shepherded on to a English plane, which had just landed in
Holland bearing Everton's Feyenoord-bound footballers.
	The FCO, meanwhile, had been busy. "We arranged with the police
meeting the plane [in England] to give all fans a letter from us
suggesting they get in touch with the consulate if they had specific
complaints about the way they were treated," the FCO spokesman added.
	Steve Beauchampe, the international officer of the Football
Supporters Association, has also been dealing with the aggrieved fans. "It
was similar to Galatasaray [when Manchester United followers, plus
innocent British tourists, were wrongly deported from Istanbul in 1993].
It was all the usual stories of mistreatment of English fans abroad: one
guy was held handcuffed in a cubicle for four hours.
	"Technically the Dutch were within their legal rights, but there
was no suggestion of misbehaviour. They bought their tickets in good faith
through a good travel company, who we have never had any trouble with. The
Dutch authorities should just have put them into the Leeds area - not
deported them."
	Yesterday British diplomats in Holland were busy clearing hotel
rooms and station lockers of the deportees' belongings.
	"A couple of coaches have been sent from Leeds to pick up the
bags," the FCO spokesman said.
	Some fans have had to go back, as the spokesman explained: "We
have also arranged with the Dutch immigration to allow temporary entry to
those Leeds fans who drove to Holland and now have to go back to pick up
their cars."
	Tini Gilsing, a spokesman for Eindhoven police, said yesterday:
"The English fans were informed in advance about the law. We told the
British police and Leeds United Football Club. We have good contacts with
them.
	"They were not hooligans, though some were drunk. They were
well-behaved when they were arrested. They were arrested for not being
able to show any ID. Their tickets were for the Dutch area."


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33.2253Not cricket MiddlesbroXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Nov 29 1995 12:4973
From:	VBORMC::"iainm@visionware.co.uk" "Iain Mitchell" 29-NOV-1995 09:45:48.99
To:	<jlundon@xstacy.enet.dec.com>
CC:	<leeds-united@vax.ox.ac.uk>
Subj:	RE: Bits and Bobs 

> I was wondering whether anyone heard any more on a point Iain Mitchell
> brought up on his mail dated 6 November concerning a report of trouble
> outside the Middlesbro ground after our recent match there? 

After a bit of a natter in the Peacock on Saturday night once ,we got
back from the Newcastle game, I found out the following about the
trouble at 'Boro. 

There were at least two separate incidents that I found out about. 
The first concerned the problem that the Family Club had , that was in
all the local papers.  Ie they were ejected from the game at half
time.  For whatever reason, the prat at 'Boro that sorted tickets out
for them got them in the Home end , at the furthest possible point
away from the rest of the Leeds fans. Consequently this did not go
down well  with the 'Boro fans who subjected the family club to verbal
and physical abuse during the first half as well as spitting etc.. As
you would expect this soon created a bit of tension and the Police
decided the best thing would be to remove the family club from the
stand. They did not , however, relocate them as they used the Premier
League guidelines saying all fans in the wrong end are to be ejected.
This is a disgrace as it was 'Boros fault in the first place.
According to the bloke who runs the family club ,the reason this was
not mentioned in the Chelsea program was that the Premier League clubs
have an agreement that they cannot critisice each other over such cock
ups etc. 

Another incident outside the ground afterwards was told to me by a
Travel Club steward who was subjected to a kicking by a gang of 'Boro
fans. There were a number of 'Boro lads up for it so to speak who were
looking for small groups or individual Leeds fans to start on. He
being on his own was set on as he tried to leg it back to the coaches.
After the attack he was talking to a  female Boro fan who had kids
with her ,saying how she must be ashamed of the actions of the Boro
fans etc. To paraphrase her reply she said Leeds fans got all they
deserved because going to Elland Road was a bad experience and Leeds
fans were always doing the same and causing trouble. 

STUPID COW. All those who go under the M621 to get to their parked
cars after the game know this is not so. I for one have many a time
been tempted to twat an away fan in the tunnel after a game as they
freely mingle with the Leeds fans to get to their coaches. I'm sure
many other have been tempted too but the fact is I have never seen any
such trouble as it is far to well Policed etc. 

Any comments ?
Iain

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33.2254Disturbing undercurrents ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONProfessor YaffleWed Nov 29 1995 13:2621
    James

    	I am not very sure what point you are trying to make here. I am
    sure we commiserate with your people put in the wrong end but these
    things happen from time to time.

    > I for one have many a time been tempted to twat an away fan in the
    > tunnel after a game as they freely mingle with the Leeds fans to get
    > to their coaches.

    	What is this ? An advocation of violence ? It is precisely this sort
    of pathetic attitude which haunts the English game. Can you morons not
    go to a football game without thinking about thumping somebody ?

    > I'm sure many other have been tempted too

    Well I haven't.

    Malc.

33.2255ClarificationXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Nov 29 1995 20:1140
> > I for one have many a time been tempted to twat an away fan in the
> > tunnel after a game as they freely mingle with the Leeds fans to get
> > to their coaches.
>
> What is this ? An advocation of violence ? It is precisely this sort
> of pathetic attitude which haunts the English game. Can you morons not
> go to a football game without thinking about thumping somebody ?
>
> > I'm sure many other have been tempted too
>
> Well I haven't.

Malc,

There has been a good bit of discussion on the list about the very
statement you query above.  The person who made it says in his
defence: 

"It would appear that your purer than pure attitude has affected your
ability to interpret the English language. I did not say  " I have not
twatted anybody because it is too well Policed." I said that I have
never seen any trouble between the Leeds fans and away fans in general
due to the Policing.  I will also stand by my view that I would love
to shut the smug away fans up when they win at SOTG. There is nothing
worse than being stuck in a crowd of smug fans in the surge to get
through the tunnel under the motorway. Having an urge to do something
and carrying it out are not the same thing. I totally agree that it is
unacceptable behavior, that is why I have drawn a distinction."

Why I posted it?  I posted it because I think there are *almost
always* two sides to every story and it galls me to think that every
time Leeds are involved in any sort of trouble that it almost a reflex
reaction to blame Leeds for starting it - incorrectly as it turns out.

It proves that every club has the ability of turning what should be an
innocent incident into a full blown riot with alarming ambivalence! 

Hope this clears this up :-).

                            James.
33.2256Leeds for the Q-F'sXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Nov 29 1995 20:148
I think we will turn over Blackburn 2-1 tonight and advance to the
Q-F's of the CCC.  Brolin will probably start!  Couple that with
Blackburn's terrible away record should mean we see Leeds though. 

Hopefully a good house will turn up to see the tubby Swede start out
his Leeds' career with a flourish. 

                          James.
33.2257How about Reading at home ;-)GIDDAY::PARSONSPOLYCENTER on WNT SupportThu Nov 30 1995 05:0310
    
    > I think we will turn over Blackburn 2-1 tonight ...
    
    You should have put money on it!
    
    Leeds United  (2) 2  Blackburn Rovers    (0) 1
    
    Deane, Yeboah        Kelly o.g.
    
    Not bad.  But watch us get Newcastle away in the Q-F!
33.2258 Twighlight ZoneCHEFS::JAMESPThu Nov 30 1995 10:536
    
    There seems to be alot of inside knowledge going 
    on in this conference file, you hav'nt taken Grobbs
    on loan recently have you ???
   
    Pj
33.2259Brucie working for Digital?GIDDAY::PARSONSPOLYCENTER on WNT SupportThu Nov 30 1995 11:387
    
    No we lost 2-1 to Newcastle not 3-0.  What result do you want the
    Leeds vs Reading to finish then?
    
    ;-)
    
    btw Newcastle win the league - 5 points ahead of Man Utd
33.2260RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Nov 30 1995 12:157
    So its the mighty Reading in the next round..... :->>>
    
    Anybody thinking of going to the match & the SOTG???
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick
33.2261Maybe our year!XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Nov 30 1995 12:3712
Re: -prediction

Damn, the bookies were closed when I got out of work last night, otherwise
I'd have bet the house on 2-1 ;-).

Great result.  Brolin played well and we defended confidently!

Reading in the next round should pose no major problems ;-).

I wouldn't mind Wolves in the semi-finals and Villa in the final!

                      James (on a roll).
33.2262RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Nov 30 1995 12:3913
    Great goal by Yeboah... 25 yard shot... excellent stuff.. looks like
    the big man is back! :->
    
    Bizarre own goal by Kelly..... but it made it an interesting match. :->
    It was good to see Brolin doing well...  
    
    When is the next round...???
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
    
               
33.2263Leeds (x3) ..............No probs ........we've got Nogan !!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAThu Nov 30 1995 13:069
    Bring 'em on !!!! The BLUE ARMY will be heading your way soon !!!!!
                                                               
    
    
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S Glad to see Kelly keeping the tradition he set the other season for
    the lowest header (copyright D.Baddiel + F.Skinner). Especially given
    where the ball ended up !!!!! Great goal by Yeboah though. 
33.2264Wolves is plural but??CHEFS::WEAVERDThu Nov 30 1995 13:074
    How you gonna have Wolves in the SF and Villa in the final when they
    play each other next round???
    
    Confused.
33.2265RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Nov 30 1995 13:075
    So Stretch.. are you going up????
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2266RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Nov 30 1995 13:2916
    
    	Well for all you Reading fans who won't be able to get tickets for
    the away end then the Leeds United Dial-a-Ticket number is :
                                             
    		(0113) 2710710
    
    	You should also be able to get them through Ticket Master...
    
    		(0645) 202020 
    
    	but you'll probably have to pay a booking fee for the transaction &
    for each ticket....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2267Royal New YearCHEFS::JAMESPThu Nov 30 1995 13:385
    
    Next round 9th/10th January
    
    Pj
    	
33.2268RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Nov 30 1995 13:409
    Is that the week ending the 9th/10th Jan?
    
    Excellent.. I'll be back in Leeds then.... :->>  
    
    So it'll be on the 5th/6th if that is the case...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2269CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Nov 30 1995 13:497
    Rick,
    
    > I'll be back in Leeds then
    
    Permanently?
    
    Stuart
33.2270Gooding will keep him quiet anyway !!!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAThu Nov 30 1995 13:505
    Rick,
      When does Yeboah go off for his hols ???? Africas cup, or whatever it
    is ????
    
    			Stretch. 
33.2271No Stuart.. not permanently... RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Nov 30 1995 13:517
    Jan... but we'll have Brolin.. :->
    
    And Deano.....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2272XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Nov 30 1995 14:295
.2264

Oops.

                         James.
33.2273Leeds 0 - 1 Man CityXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Mon Dec 04 1995 16:0810
What a crap result on Saturday.  I didn't expect to lose the match
and really thought we'd give them a good whopping!  Not to be, I
suppose.

Maybe the lads went into the match with the wrong frame of mind - 
it proves no team is a pushover and that you have to be as prepared 
for the visit of Bolton or Man City as you would be be for the 
likes of Newcastle or MUFC.

                            James.
33.2274Lancs 1 - 0 YorksMOEUR8::SMITHMon Dec 04 1995 16:107
    
    Why a surprise?  Wasn't it Man. City who had the November Manager of
    the Month award for 10 points out of 12?
    
    No surprise for me!
    
    Ian
33.2275Derby away in the F.A. CupGIDDAY::PARSONSPOLYCENTER on WNT SupportTue Dec 05 1995 05:545
    
    
    Back to the Baseball Ground again in January.  1-0 will do again
    
    ;-)
33.2276RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Dec 05 1995 11:5316
    Derby... again... (!!?!?)
    
    Yep.. lets hope we can do the business again....
    
    On BBC Teletext it says that Yeboah may have to leave two weeks before
    the African Championships start... this would mean that he would miss
    the Mother of all Football games.....
    
    But we have Brolin.... so there is not problem there.. :->
    
    And Reading will still recovering from a defeat inflicted by
    Gillingham. <* insert smiley thing *>
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2277XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Dec 05 1995 14:028
Derby have improved since we've last played them in the CCC a few 
months back.

The game will be tough but if we are to do anything in The Cup it's
good that we have tough games early - IMNSHO.

                           James.

33.2278I shed a tear when I read this...XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Dec 06 1995 18:5153
What do they expect when they don't allow *any* away
fans into the Theatre of Dreams (sic)!

                      James.

++

MAN UNITED ANGER AT LEEDS TICKET POLICY

6 December 1995 at 07:15:27
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

          LEEDS UNITED general manager Alan Roberts has defended
          the club's stance on charging Manchester United fans
          more than their City counterparts for matches at Elland
          Road.
          Leeds asked supporters of Alan Ball's side to pay =A314 to
          watch last Saturday's game, but Reds' followers will
          have to find an extra =A37 to see the Christmas Eve clash.
          The move has angered Manchester United fans but Roberts
          said matches were categorised at the start of the season
          based on form, expectations and the attractiveness of
          the game.
          Under the system, which was started last season, home
          fans also had to pay the extra and only the club's
          23,000 season ticket holders were exempt.
          He added: ``Our fans were subjected to it for years,
          even in the old second division, by a handful of clubs
          asking fans of popular, successful teams to pay more.''
          He also confirmed Leeds' administration had spoken to
          Manchester United about the admission prices and were
          expecting them to issue a statement to their fans.
          But the chairman of the Independent Supporters' Club,
          Chris Robinson, retorted: ``This is typical of the
          treatment of Manchester United fans by other clubs. We
          are exploited just because we support a successful side.

          ``Leeds' excuse is that it is a Grade A match and City's
          was a Grade B, but this is not the point - just because
          we have a better side does not mean that the fans have
          any more money.
          ``It isn't just the price of the tickets, it's also the
          allocation which is unfair. City fans were given 4,000
          tickets for their Leeds match, we've been offered no
          more than 1,700. There's not a lot that our board can
          do.
          ``I don't often praise Martin Edwards and the board, but
          a few weeks ago Liverpool - in retaliation for United
          not allocating them tickets earlier in the season - were
          not going to provide any tickets for our fans until the
          board threatened to take the matter to the FA.
          ``The bottom line is that Manchester United fans should
          not have to pay for our club's success.''
33.2279CHEFS::EDWARDSDWed Dec 06 1995 19:187
    >What do they expect when they don't allow *any* away
    >fans into the Theatre of Dreams (sic)!
    
    Wrong !  Having recently obtained approval from the Manchester Police,
    Utd allocated a section for approximately 1000-1500 away fans for the
    recent Soton and Chelsea games.  Neither side sold their full
    allocation of tickets.
33.2280Confirm or deny?XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Dec 06 1995 20:1212
Re: -1

Dave,

Well, AFAIK, Leeds are going to get no tickets 
for the return game in the Theatre of Dreams!

You are the first person to say anything about
MUFC giving any tickets to any away fans this
season.  Can someone please confirm or deny?

                    James.
33.2281As I understand it .........CHEFS::CROSSAWed Dec 06 1995 20:258
    James,
       I thouhgt the restrictions were during the rebuilding of the North
    stand, which is progressing rapidly. While this was happening M U made
    no bones about the fact that allocation would go to home fans only.
    This seems to be relaxing as more seats in th N stand are completed.
    
    
                   Stretch.
33.2282They have to feed the Sheep.ESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Wed Dec 06 1995 21:098
33.2283RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Dec 07 1995 11:5614
    Well Leeds home matches have been catagorized for a couple of years
    now... the home supporters like it no more than the away fans but such
    is life.... we have to pay for Tony Yeboah some how... and making the
    away fans pay to see their team loose to his goals certainly seems fair
    to me & makes me smile.... :->
    
    At least we're not any worse than Chelsea charging away fans 25 quid...
    ( This was the price a couple of years ago but I can't see Ken Bates
    reducing the prices... can you? ) I don't see you complaining about
    that.... 
    
    Cheers,  
    
    	Rick.
33.2284CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Dec 07 1995 12:2115
    James,
    
    > Confirm or deny? 
    
    As I was present at both of those games, I feel in a pretty strong
    position to confirm that away fans *are* receiving tickets.   What's 
    the problem here - didn't you believe what I was saying ?!?!?!? 
    
    >Well, AFAIK, Leeds are going to get no tickets
    >for the return game in the Theatre of Dreams!
    
    I would advise you to get your information from sources other than the 
    ABU club - the relaxing of the ban on away supporters at OT was mentioned 
    weeks ago in several newspapers !
                                                                   
33.2285XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Dec 07 1995 13:5211
Dave,

My apologies for doubting you :-(.

MUFC got hammered by the media/fans for seemingly
not allowing any away fans into their games this
season and not since the rule has been relaxed,
I'm surprised that they (the club) haven't made
more play of the situation?

                   James.
33.2286CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Dec 07 1995 14:1716
    No problem James - having had numerous "conversations" with Rick I get
    the distinct impression that the majority of Sheep fans are so wrapped
    up in their own little anti-Manu world, that the "truth" just gets in
    the way !
    
    Regarding the away fans issue, Utd couldn't really win could they ?  If
    they publicly announced that away fans were being allocated tickets
    after all, the majority of people would only react with "about bloody
    time too".  For once, Martin Edwards didn't seek any publicity on the
    matter and rightly so imo.
    
    BTW - I don't think anybody in this conference has commented on the
    fact that Utd's game vs the Northern Ireland XI was in aid of the Peace
    Process.  A pretty decent gesture by that uncaring monster called
    Manchester United PLC don't ya think ?
                             
33.2287CHEFS::CROSSAThu Dec 07 1995 14:271
    And Jimmy Quinn scored !!!!
33.2288Come on Dave, we weren't all born yesterdayCHEFS::PANESChances are, we might be starsThu Dec 07 1995 15:0213
                     <<< Note 33.2286 by CHEFS::EDWARDSD >>>

    
>    BTW - I don't think anybody in this conference has commented on the
>    fact that Utd's game vs the Northern Ireland XI was in aid of the Peace
>    Process.  A pretty decent gesture by that uncaring monster called
>    Manchester United PLC don't ya think ?
 
    An admirable and selfless gesture, which I am sure that the club shop
    in Belfast appreciated.

    Stuart                            

33.2289RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Dec 07 1995 15:557
    Yep.. I've already mentioned it Dave... 
    
    Phil Massinga got the other goal! :->
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2290CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Dec 07 1995 16:5213
>    An admirable and selfless gesture, which I am sure that the club shop
>    in Belfast appreciated.
>
>    Stuart                            

    So Stuart, you honestly believe that a team with several 1st team
    regulars currently injured or suspended, would risk further problems by
    playing an unnecessary friendly game just to boost sales in the Belfast
    shop ?  Considering Utd are facing games against Pool, Leeds and
    Newcastle during the next 2 weeks, I find your "suggestion" slightly
    baffling to say the least.
    
    
33.2291Twist that knife.....CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Thu Dec 07 1995 16:599
    They only did it because 3 Man Utd associates were named in the Top 10
    of the Most hated person in Britain Awards, and they wanted to try and
    improve their National standing !!
    
    
    :-)
    
    
    Ian.
33.2292Maybe they thought it was the CCCCHEFS::PANESChances are, we might be starsThu Dec 07 1995 19:0129
                     <<< Note 33.2290 by CHEFS::EDWARDSD >>>

>>    An admirable and selfless gesture, which I am sure that the club shop
>>    in Belfast appreciated.
>>
>>    Stuart                            

>    So Stuart, you honestly believe that a team with several 1st team
>    regulars currently injured or suspended, would risk further problems by
>    playing an unnecessary friendly game just to boost sales in the Belfast
>    shop ?  Considering Utd are facing games against Pool, Leeds and
>    Newcastle during the next 2 weeks, I find your "suggestion" slightly
>    baffling to say the least.
 
     Dave,

     I suspect that you mis-understood my posting. I imagined that people
     involved in Manchester United, would be proud at being associated
     with a club, that makes such an altruistic gesture , during this 
     politically significant time. Surely, the beautiful game, is one
     of the things that brings people together.

     
     Stuart

  
     BTW What happening on the Wicks front?    
    

33.2293It was for money after allOZROCK::OSMANArif OsmanFri Dec 08 1995 03:049
They wanted to be *seen* as peace promoters thinking that Clinton
may be sufficiently impressed to include them among the beneficieries
of the dosh he has promised. Little did they know that Clinton does
not carry his cheque book with him. Perhaps showing him a video
of Kung Fu Frog battling against those opposing the peace process
may have pulled it off ;-)

--arif
33.2294HuhAIMTEC::WICKS_AAtlanta's Most (In)famous WelshmanFri Dec 08 1995 06:327
    Stuart ( .2292)
    
    please explain your BTW line - what have I done now?
    
    Regards
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
33.2295CHEFS::PANESChances are, we might be starsFri Dec 08 1995 12:0422
  <<< Note 33.2294 by AIMTEC::WICKS_A "Atlanta's Most (In)famous Welshman" >>>
                                    -< Huh >-

>    Stuart ( .2292)
    
>    please explain your BTW line - what have I done now?
    
>    Regards
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks or can I call you Andrew,

    Alack and alas, it wasn't meant to be your Warholian 15 minutes of fame,
    but a reference to Manchester United Football Club PLC "tapping" young
    players from other clubs. It this case, young Master Wicks ( son of
    Steve Wicks ), a promising talent who was on the books of the Arse,
    but has gone north to join Satan's Spawn in Salford. The FA , in their
    normal knockabout way, have found Ferguson's Funsters (sic ) guilty,
    but will not reveal the punishment. 

    Funny old world, innit.

    Stuart
33.2296Not a close relationAIMTEC::WICKS_AAtlanta's Most (In)famous WelshmanFri Dec 08 1995 18:278
    Stuart,
    
    A Wicks playing for the Mancs oh the shame it will bring to the family
    name...
    
    Regards
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
33.2297RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Dec 11 1995 19:435
    So are you going to the Gods vs Reading game then Stretch??
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2298The Gods are on the other side of the Pennines Rick !!!!CHEFS::CROSSAMon Dec 11 1995 20:313
    Yes.
    
    			Stretch.
33.2299RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Dec 12 1995 11:5822
    >Gods over the other side of the Pennines...
    
    	Nope.. they live in Leeds... and now in Coventry.. ;->
    
    	Well, shame to see Whelan go... esp. with ManU game coming up.. :->
    
    	We must have needed the money.. esp. after paying for Brolin... 
    or we could be after Sutton.. :-> Brolin & him play in similar roles so
    he probably wouldn't have got a regular place in the team.
    
    Now we have four foreign players... Yeboah, Brolin, McAllister & Gary
    Kelly... could be interesting if the limit of 3 foreign players in
    European competitions isn't outlawed. Who does Wilko drop...???
    
    	It must also mean that Deano is staying... 	
    	                                                       
    	Are the tickets for the Fizzy Cup on sale yet Stretch??
    
        Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
    	
33.2300OOOOHHHHHH AAAAAHHHH ERIC CANTOOOONAAAAAA !!!!!!!!CHEFS::CROSSATue Dec 12 1995 13:1018
    Ref Tickets - check the Reading topic !!!!
    
    Akchewully they are on sale until the 16th to season ticket holders.
    General sale from the 18th to us plebs. James L tells me that your mob
    will probably not fill the place but we will still get no extra
    allocation. 3,500 yer tight b'stards !!!. And you lot have the nerve to go
    on about Man U's allocation during the rebuilding !!!
    
    
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S James - I finally got to the 'Theatre of Dreams' on Saturday and I
    am in a position to confirm away fans are allowed in 'cos we were two
    seats from the rabble AND they had a lot of empty seats !!! Bloody
    Yorkshiremen, cannae even fill their section !!!! Especially joyful to
    witness their crestfallen faces after giving Eric the 'Wednesday
    reject' chant only to witness his excellent finishing, clawing us a
    point back !!!  
33.2301Christmas was early at HillsboroughFORTY2::JONESNeilMon Dec 18 1995 18:287
    
    Can I nominate Tomas Brolin's effort for goal of the season?
    
    Neil
    
    p.s. A bit quiet in this note today isn't? Even quieter than the Man
         Utd note. 
33.2302\RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Dec 18 1995 18:5310
    >Can I nominate Tomas Brolin's effort for goal of the season?
    
    	Why.. was it that bad??
    
    	Well Leeds vs ManU this weekend.... two good teams playing badly
    at the moment... it should be a fun game....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2303Kelly cost me a load of points !!!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAMon Dec 18 1995 19:109
    Rick,
       Put it this way. Kelly could have some serious competition for
    low lowest (unintentional) headers !!!
    
    What do you mean you have not seen it ???? Big supporter eh ???
    
    
    			Stretch.
    
33.2304That was below the (tide) markCHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyMon Dec 18 1995 19:155
    Stretch,
    
    Was it below sea-level?
    
    Stuart
33.2305RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Dec 18 1995 19:247
    >Big supporter eh ???
    
    	Yep...
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2306Wilko Out!!!CHEFS::JAMANISMon Dec 18 1995 20:1814
    
    Well I have been fairly patient with Wilkinson over the last few years. 
    I have been one of his 'loyal' supporters.
    
    This has now changed.  The man must go!
    
    He is simply doing nothing to improve the performance of the team.  We
    need a manager with new ideas and tactics that can make use of the
    teams strength.
    
    
    Shaf
    
    
33.2307RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Dec 18 1995 20:195
    Bring on George Graham....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick. 
33.2308or you could have..............CHEFS::CROSSAMon Dec 18 1995 20:344
    Time for (Judas) McGhee to move ???
    
    
    			Stretch.
33.2309BTW Stretch, you were the source of much hilarity last nightCHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyTue Dec 19 1995 10:515
    Stretch,
    
    Don't bank on it
    
    Stuart
33.2310RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Dec 19 1995 12:366
    Were the words... Canal & Stretch connected with the hilarity?
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
    
33.2311Not the only ones thoughCHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyTue Dec 19 1995 12:515
    Err,
    
    They might have been.
    
    Stuart
33.2312RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Dec 19 1995 12:589
    Well I'm sorry that I didn't make it to the Grope & Hope to find out
    the rest of the stories....
    
    I was going to be there.. but got talked into going to the Royal Berks.
    Hopsitals nurses bash instead... slightly more women there.. *8->>>>>
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2313Come By - Come By !!CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Wed Dec 20 1995 12:594
    Were there any their called Bo Peep, by any chance !!
    
    
    Ian.
33.2314More to follow .........CHEFS::CROSSAThu Dec 21 1995 18:1833
    Sung to the tune of that popular rhyme - all together now.........
    
    
    Baa Baa sad sheep 
    Have you won a cup ???
    No Sir, No Sir
    Have we f*ck !!!!
    
    None from the Fizzy
    None from the FA
    Put us in the 'Toto
    It's our only chance to play !!!!
    
    Sad Sad Rick Sheep
    Have you any life ???
    No Sir, No Sir
    Just a load of strife
    
    We bought Yeboah
    Thought he'd save our Arse
    But since October
    He's hardly played a pass !!!
    
    Sad Sad Leeds Sheep 
    Shouldn't start no flak
    'Cos you're sad B'Stards
    And your teams a pile of CACK !!!
    
    
    
    			Peace and Goodwill,(my arse)
                              
    				Stretch.
33.2315CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyThu Dec 21 1995 18:314
    Erm, your third team have to play at Elland Road in January don't they?
    Methinks that could come back to haunt you...
    
    Stuart
33.2316BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!(again)CHEFS::CROSSAThu Dec 21 1995 18:387
    Ohhhhh The great defender of the Sheep leaps into action and it is none
    other than ??????? SRATTO. Go back to your Scots baiting and leave me alone
    you turncoat!!!! Failing that I will bring my Collie in to subdue you and
    your flock !!!
    
    
                         Stretch.
33.2317Ah, a nice 'Stretch' of waterCHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyThu Dec 21 1995 18:419
    > SRATTO
    
    Who he? 
    
    So you try to threaten me eh? 'Water' hard guy you are! What the
    'canal' am I going to do? Well, I'm not 'banking' on you to worry
    me!!!!!!
    
    Stuart
33.2318I hate to get involved, but...MOEUR8::SMITHThu Dec 21 1995 19:296
    
    ... reply 2314 is one of the most entertaining notes I have read in
    this conference since I can remember...
    
    Ian$West_Ham_supporter_in_the_wrong_note
    
33.2319Christmas thoughts...XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Jan 03 1996 20:4136
Well the Christmas didn't treat Leeds too badly: 2 wins, a draw and a 
loss.  The big one was won easily on Christmas Eve (3-1).  It was made
all the better by the fact that Ferguson, after the game, could only
harp on about the penalty that wasn't - he hardly mentioned how
comprehensively his charges were beaten.  The man must have a mighty
short memory for only a year ago MUFC got a penalty which certainly
wasn't a penalty, when Deane downed Wince *outside* the box.  I don't
remember Fergie crying about a miscarriage of justice then, do I?
Fair is fair old chap - take your beating like a man!  Was Cantona
even playing - another classic example of a fair-weather player? 

Another good win was had at Bolton (2-0) a few days later - again on
the box.  I'm 4 for 4 when Leeds are on the box this season.  Another
good performance was put in by the lads that night. 

Things start to go down hill after this though, when Everton turned us
over 2-0, even though they were playing with only 10 men for most of
the game.  I should have known... 

Another turgid - from the few reports I've seen - game was had on New
Year's Day at Elland Road.  It was our first goalless game this
season? 

Big, big game on Sunday against a team on a serious roll!  It's on the
box and I'm putting my long unbeaten run to the real test.  I'll be
happy with a draw and then whip them at Elland in the replay!  It will
be important that Leeds go out in the right frame of mind as Derby are
dangerous and could do damage to our frail defence if we aren't 
prepared.  Remember Yeboah will be missing for most of the rest of
January, so it looks like we will have to make do with the deadly
Deane, Wallace and/or Masinga combination.  Bet opposing defences are
quaking in their boots at the thought! 

Until then,

                          James. 
33.2320RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Jan 03 1996 20:5510
    >Masinga
    
    	He's off to the African cup as well.... he's in the South African
    team...
    
    	Why the 'ell did we sell Whelan.... God only knows....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2321RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Jan 03 1996 20:5919
    >BattyBurn          
    
    	It was a terrible game... a real waste of 21 quid... I should have
    known better... Leeds were awful.. even Reading could have turned us
    over.... & why the 'ell he took Brolin off I will never know.. he was
    our best player.... 
    
    >Derby
    
    	Well Derby have won their last 6 games... while we have won 2,
    drawn 2 & lost 2..... its all lined up for a definate upset!
    
    	The game is live on Sky Sports @ 1pm on Sunday....
    
    	You coming over for the CCC 1/4 final James???
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2322XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Jan 03 1996 22:557
Rick,

> You coming over for the CCC 1/4 final James???

I'll wouldn't miss the final for anything :-).

                         James.
33.2323RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Jan 04 1996 15:065
    Yep.. it should be a good day out...
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2324CHEFS::CROSSAThu Jan 04 1996 15:134
    For the Royals contingent...........
    
    
    			Stretch.
33.2325CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyThu Jan 04 1996 15:439
33.2326RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Jan 04 1996 16:069
    16 quid.. thats nothing.. I paid 25 quid to see Leeds vs ManU....
    
    21 quid to see Leeds vs Blackburn....
    
    How much do they charge to see Reading then.... 2d ?? .;->
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2327One Lee Nogan, There's only one Lee Nogan !!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAThu Jan 04 1996 17:1110
    Rick,
    We could get two (!) games for the price down here. 
    
    What was that about affluent Southerners and poor Nothern types ???
    
    2d ??? We went decimel a few years ago. Get someone in your FLOCK to
    explain it to you !!!!
    
    
    			Stretch.
33.2328PricesXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Jan 04 1996 19:3810
I do agree with Stretch that Leeds are pricing themselves out of the
market, charging excessive prices for what will turn out to be a
drubbing ;-).  Leeds will be lucky if there will be 20K at the match.
It doesn't seem to worry them that there will be no atmosphere for the
game or that they don't understand the simple laws of economics: lower
the price to increase ticket sales => everyone happy - club with more
money, more people see Leeds, and better atmosphere.  I suppose the
club isn't run by an economist ;-(.

                           James.
33.2329We will make some noise !!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAThu Jan 04 1996 20:087
    James,
       We have sold the bulk of the 3500 allocation (200 ish left) which is
    not bad considering the distance/closeness to financial
    ruin(christmas)/Wednesday evening etc etc so there should be some
    atmosphere on the night.
    
    			Stretch.
33.2330CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyThu Jan 04 1996 20:197
    Stretch,
    
    I presume that you will have to take it a bit easy when Leeds (x3)
    score. After all, one misplaced cheer could result in you being
    forcibly evicted or have you got tickets with Jarvis?
    
    Stuart
33.2331Now back from where you came Stratto !!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAThu Jan 04 1996 20:211
    Newcastle
33.2332RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Jan 04 1996 20:369
    >We will make some noise !!!!!
    
    I hope your not going to wreck the ground when you lose!!!
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
    
    
33.2333Arf Arf Arf ArfCHEFS::CROSSAThu Jan 04 1996 20:574
    Rick,
      How hard is it to knock a pen over ????
    
    				Stretch.
33.2334Most Obvious Comment of the Day (part 24039)CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyThu Jan 04 1996 20:595
    Jarvis,
    
    Obviously, it would be improved by any act of vandalism....
    
    Stuart
33.2335RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Jan 08 1996 11:4212
    Well Leeds are through the 4th round after an up & down game at the
    Baseball Ground.... 
    
    After we went 2-0 down I thought that it was all over for another
    year.. but goals from Speed, Deane, McAllister & Yeboah turned the
    match around... :->
    
    Well lets hope that Sunderland can complete the job & beat ManU.. :->
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2336You spawny toads !!!!! The Royals will give you your comeuppenceCHEFS::CROSSAMon Jan 08 1996 18:347
    Rick,
       If your mob were any jammier Robertsons would sell them in jars !!!
    
    
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S Try that nonsense on Wednesday and things will be done !!! 
33.2337Leeds for Wembley!XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Mon Jan 08 1996 18:5111
Goodbye Reading.  After yesterday Leeds' name is written on
one of the cups!

Simply the most incredible game I have even seen Leeds play
in.  I was hoarse from shouting after the first two Leeds
goals going in, let along the second two.  I kept thinking
that the linesman or referee would blow the whistle,
disallowing the goal because Deane didn't have his boot 
laces tied correctly ;-).

                         James.
33.2338Reading are going to Wembley twice in a year - unlike your mob !!!!CHEFS::CROSSAMon Jan 08 1996 18:538
    James,
         
    
    
    			Arse !!!!
    
    
    					Stretch.
33.2339RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Jan 08 1996 20:199
    Yeah.. yeah.. yeah...
    
    So Stretch.. which pubs you going in when your up in Yorkshire?? ;->
    
    I could introduce you to a few Leeds fans...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2340RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Jan 08 1996 20:336
    Yep James.. I must admit I was jumping around like a wild thing when
    McAllister & Yeboah scored those late goals.. :->
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2341CHEFS::CROSSAMon Jan 08 1996 20:377
    Rick,
    Jumping around like a (.......). I will not be visiting any pubs that I
    know of. I am already paying you extortion merchants enough for the tix
    in the first place !!!!
    
    
    			Stretch.
33.2342I'm sure you'd be safe...ish with that Reading shirt on...RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Jan 08 1996 20:425
    No pubs Stretch..... thats a shame....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2343RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Jan 09 1996 11:4414
    Well Lee Chapman is returning to Leeds Utd on a months loan.... he
    should get a game this weekend against the Hammers....
    
    I'd rather Wilko had put one of the younger strikers in the team for a
    few games... it would have given them a run out & we'd be able to see
    if they're going to make the grade...
    
    Also, Matthew Smithard has gone on a months loan to Northampton ( I
    think )... lets hope we're not going to get rid of him like we have
    Noel Whelan & Kevin Sharp.
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2344RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Jan 09 1996 16:5211
    > Am I going??
    
    	Yep.... sure am...
    
    > How many tickets have they got left.. 
    
    	Don't know... & I don't care...
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2345I reckon we will have the bigger fan base on the night !!CHEFS::CROSSATue Jan 09 1996 17:053
    And the rest ???
    
    			Stretch.
33.2346C'mon you ROYALS !!!!!!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAWed Jan 10 1996 13:578
    Rick/James/Anyone who has done the route,
    
    For the first time I have a SERIOUS question. How long will it take to
    get from the fair town of Reading to the grim northern abode of Leeds
    (x3) at Elland Road??? If anyone can give me a clue before 12;00 I will
    be very grateful.
    
    			Stretch.
33.2347Follow the shepherds!!CHEFS::WEAVERDWed Jan 10 1996 14:169
    I used to go to Leeds logistics from time to time and would allow about
    3 hours. FWIW I would also go M4 Newbury, A34 Oxford then M40, M42,
    A42 (Good dual carriageway), picking up M1 at East Midlands airport. I
    always thought this latter was less prone to roadworks, traffic and
    unplanned delays than the M4M25M1 route, although a little longer.
    
    Anyway enjoy
    
    Derek
33.2348Nearer to Villa ParkCHEFS::WEAVERDWed Jan 10 1996 14:195
    Stretch 
    
    You could always ask the great Leeds supporter Shafiq.
    
    ? Oh I forgot he's never been to Leeds let alone Elland Road.
33.2349CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyWed Jan 10 1996 14:245
    Derek,
    
    Stretch is in the same boat then...
    
    Stuart
33.2350CheersCHEFS::CROSSAWed Jan 10 1996 14:319
    oooohhhh Derek, You bitch !!!   Anyway thanks for the route details. I
    have shown them to the chaffeaur(sp) - Mr Kirkpatrick.
    Will enter details of Leeds drubbing on the morrow. 
    
    Good luck against Wolves tonight. I hope you give them a good turning
    over - no personal bias of course !!!
    
    
    			Stretch.
33.2351And you can ........ off Stratto !!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAWed Jan 10 1996 14:321
    Come on the Toon army 
33.2352Spelling ???CHEFS::WEAVERDWed Jan 10 1996 14:357
    It appears that your chaffeaur is A Cross between Shaf and a donkey!!
    
    Never mind.
    
    Only commenting on the spelling Jeff
    
    Derek
33.2353Think of yourself??CHEFS::WEAVERDWed Jan 10 1996 14:374
    Stretch,
    
    I take it -2 means you think you have more chance against Toon than
    Strattos lot??
33.2354Well, he's been there once in his lifetimeCHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyWed Jan 10 1996 14:399
    Delboy,
    
    I believe he was indicating that he believes Arsenals performance will
    be on a par with that of Man U against York in the home leg. Man U, of
    course, are his favouritist team in the whole world and nobody could
    accuse him of being an armchair supporter of TGFTITW as he attends Old
    Trafford on a regular basis. 
    
    Stuart
33.2355I have to go now - will continue the abuse Thursday.CHEFS::CROSSAWed Jan 10 1996 14:529
    OI Stratto !!!
    (inviting further abuse upon himself) You seem to have not remebered
    the fact that this is the Rick slagging note !!! Keep your pithy
    comments about my good self to my favoured team notes.
    
    
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S At least I try defend my honour unlike certain other noters !!!
33.2356All over the place.CHEFS::WEAVERDWed Jan 10 1996 15:024
    Stretch
    
    As an unbiased observer it certainly didn't seem to me that Rick
    slagging was confined to this note. 
33.2357XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Jan 10 1996 15:338
Re .2348

Come on Shafiq: defend your honour!

Anyhow, Reading may huff and puff but they won't be 
leaving Leeds with anything less that a 2 goal hiding!

                    James.
33.2358CHEFS::JAMANISWed Jan 10 1996 15:4011
    Re: 2348
    
    I must point out that I have seen the Gods play at Elland Road -
    contrary to the comments made by Derek.
    
    My most recent game was the one against Blackburn where I saw Deano
    and Yeboah score two excellent goals.  The trip was made all the
    better due to Brolin makeing his home debut!
                  
    
    Shafiq.
33.2359ESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Wed Jan 10 1996 15:5212
                     <<< Note 33.2358 by CHEFS::JAMANIS >>>

    
    My most recent game was the one against Blackburn where I saw Deano
    and Yeboah score two excellent goals.  The trip was made all the
    better due to Brolin makeing his home debut!
                  
    
    Shafiq.

Leeds and Blackburn ended scoreless, and Brolin made his home debut about a 
month earlier. what were you drinking that day :-)
33.2360CHEFS::JAMANISWed Jan 10 1996 16:099
    Re:-1
    
    
    You no what I mean!!! 
    
    I am talking about the game against Blackburn in the last round 
    Coca Cola Cup.
    
    Shafiq
33.2361Once in every lifetime???CHEFS::WEAVERDWed Jan 10 1996 17:4611
    OK Shaf, but come clean, how many visits to the great sheep dip in the
    sky, per year of support. A small fraction I warrant, about the same as
    Stretch at OT.
    
    Its also true that you were offered a second trip to Villa Park to see
    the dog trials, but declined on the basis that they were so c**p the
    previous year you couldn't handle it??
    
    Cheers (oops)
    
    Derek
33.2362Praying for a Leeds winCHEFS::BUSSONGWed Jan 10 1996 19:405
    Be sure to stuff this Reading lot tonight, great Gods of Elland.
    I shall enjoy the extraction of urine in the morning if you do.
    From a bitter and twisted Swindon Fan
    Graham
    
33.2363Norwich/BirminghamCHEFS::JAMANISThu Jan 11 1996 11:5313
    Leeds 2  Reading 1
    
    Masinga  Quinn
    Speed
    
    
    Well we came from behind to win again!!!
    
    The draw for the Semi Final has been good to us  - Norwich/Birmingham.
    
    
    Shafiq
    
33.2364Mystic Meg at workXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Jan 11 1996 11:5313
It's becoming clear, yes, I see it now...

24th March, Wembley...

Leeds 1 - 0 Arsenal...

Full house...

McAllister picks up the coveted trophy...

I'll be there...

                   James.
33.2365Venom, Bile and twisted viewpoints a speciality !!!!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAThu Jan 11 1996 14:0691
    Points about last night........
    
    Negative things :-
    
    a) The phrase "We was ROBBED" springs to mind.  
    
    b) The chant about the refs off field, self stimulation hobby was more
    than accurate.
    
    c) Brolin is a huge waste of dosh. The only cheer he got from the Leeds
    fans was for a cynical foul !!!
    
    d) You rely on over zealous stewards to keep the away fans quiet. When
    questioned as to why the Leeds fans are not being told to shut up their
    answer, to an elderly father, is shut up yourself or you are out !!!
    
    e) The supposed atmosphere from the Leeds fans started, briefly, just
    before half time after scoring the second. "You only sing when you're
    winning " !!!! 
    
    f) McAllister should have been sent off for chasing a Reading player 15
    yards and kicking him up in the air. Followed later by other more than
    necessary challenges on and off the ball. 
    
    g) You use plastic glasses in the pub !!!
    
    f) Rick is going to be unbearable - so what is new ???
    
    h) Happy stewards in the car park displaying recent scars from sense of
    humour removal operation. 
    
    i) The fact that this has brought a Southern sheep worrier out of the
    closet to link up with his Northern bretheren. Bloody Swindon in the
    conference, lowering the tone !!!
    
    j) Watching the "highlights"?!?!? when we got back last night. What is Brian
    Moores problem with Reading ? Where were the microphones in the ground,
    cos you would have thought Leeds were the noisier on the night. Untrue.
    
    k) Getting to bed at 3 o'clock (got back at 1;30) staying up watching
    said/sad "highlights" and having to work today !!! 
    
    l) Loads of things that should return to my mind later. Sleep
    depravation and all that !!!
    
    
    
    Positive things........
    
    a) Reading can hold their heads high.
    
    b) Having a laugh with some "Leeds" fans in their kit shirts. One of
    whom came from the Oxford Road - Reading, Two others from Cardiff and
    Swansea. No one seemed to know where to get a fanzine cos none of them
    came from Leeds - No more flak about Man U supporters who do not come
    from Manchester Rick !!!
    
    c) The transport cafe next to the ground. Good, cheap nosh and a bloody
    good cup of tea. Full of Leeds - No probs even when Clare stole someone
    elses food !!!
    
    d) The policemen (and his nice horse) who told us about said cafe.
    
    e) Stopping at the services on the way up at the same time as 9
    Horseman coaches - swarming with Reading to the confusion of most
    people.
    
    f) The two pissed Irish blokes at the bar who helped Clare get the
    beers in - One Man U the other Leeds !!!
    
    g) The friendly landlord at the pub - The Peacock. Where were you Rick
    ???
    
    h) Wolves got beaten even though they did seem to have more posession
    and chances. Any comments Derek ???
    
    i) The petulant french man being sent off - No not Eric for once - top
    laugh enough, but Rioch/McDermott dust up straight after surpassed even
    the face of Ginola as he was led away by Les for major humour
    
    j) As above reference memory/sleep loss/lack of other points !!!
    
    If this all seems a little bitter and twisted that is because I AM !!!
    All the above incidents did happen though.
    
    			Stretch.
    
    
    P.S And you got an easy tie in the next round !!!!!! 
     
    
33.2366I'll rise to the baitCHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyThu Jan 11 1996 16:407
    James,
    
    Best you keep your dreams to yourself young man. Leeds (x3) are the
    weakest Premiership side left in the competition and given your recent
    cup history, you ain't certain of beating Norwich or Birmingham.
    
    Stuart
33.2367CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyThu Jan 11 1996 18:2820
    Jimbo,
    
    >It's becoming clear, yes, I see it now...
    >
    >24th March, Wembley...
    >
    >Leeds 1 - 0 Arsenal...
    >
    >Full house...
    >
    >McAllister picks up the coveted trophy...
    >
    >I'll be there...
    >
    >                   James.
    
    How will you get a ticket? Don't Leeds (x3) have enough regulars to
    take up their allocation before all the glory-hunters get in...
    
    Stuart
33.236812 rouns to a fight??CHEFS::WEAVERDFri Jan 12 1996 11:3515
    Stretch,
    
    Not quite true, but I'll enter something in 67 later.
    
    Yesterday I was with a couple of Birmingham fans who certainly had the
    view that a Leeds vs Blues semi might provide more off park
    entertainment than on it.
    
    Its really a pity the it wasn't a Blues vs Villa semi as there are some
    areas around Bordesley Green and Small Heath that are in need of
    rebuilding!!
    
    Cheers
    
    Derek
33.2369ResponseXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Jan 12 1996 12:0227
Stuart,

. Best you keep your dreams to yourself young man. Leeds (x3) are the
. weakest Premiership side left in the competition and given your recent
. cup history, you ain't certain of beating Norwich or Birmingham.
  
All I say to that is: aren't we still there, which is a lot more than 
can be said for 17 other Premiership teams.  We have nothing to be 
afraid of in either Villa or Arsenal.  In fact both our cup successes
have been on the back of Arsenal: League Cup 1968 and FA Cup 1972 -
both 1-0 victories - hence my prediction for 24 March...  We have
beaten Villa 2-0 already this year and owe Arsenal a good thrashing
for a few cup defeats earlier in this decade. 

As for Brummy/Norwich, over two legs we should be able to squeeze 
through especially as we are at home for the second leg.

Tickets may be a problem, but I am willing to purchase one if anyone
in the notesfile happens to have one spare, come the big day.

I will not rise to your glory-hunter remark ;-).

There is a modicum of bad blood between Brummy and Leeds because they
have an inferiority complex.  We whopped them 3-0 in a FA Cup
semi-final 20+ years ago and haven't recovered since. 

                          James.
33.2370CHEFS::EDWARDSDFri Jan 12 1996 12:3412
>There is a modicum of bad blood between Brummy and Leeds because they
>have an inferiority complex.  We whopped them 3-0 in a FA Cup
>semi-final 20+ years ago and haven't recovered since. 
>
>                          James.
    
    Isn't this "bad blood" the result of a more recent incident between
    Birmingham and the Sheep ?  I seem to recall a scuffle between the 2
    sets of fans which resulted in someone being killed - did a wall
    collapse or something ?
    
33.2371CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyFri Jan 12 1996 12:3511
    James,
    
    Leeds (x3) should be afraid of both Villa and Arsenal. Villa are
    probably the best side in the country at the moment, in that they are
    playing the most consistent football, and Arsenal are the best cup side
    in recent years. 
    
    BTW, no club with serious aspirations to win silverware would ever sign
    Leeeee Chapman....
    
    Stuart
33.2372XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Jan 12 1996 15:0817
Re .2370

Correct I understand.

Re .2371

As I have already said Leeds are afraid of nobody - be that
Villa or Arsenal.  We have beaten both sides multiple times
since we've come back up.

We have not signed Chapman, we have taken him on loan for a few
weeks, while half our team is gone off the Africa for the ANC.
Normal service will be resumed in two/three weeks.  In fact I'd
be interested having a little flutter on Chapman scoring
tomorrow against the Hams.  Wilko knows what he's doing :-).

                      James.
33.2373Another Leeds fan adds his 2pCOMICS::LINDLEYFri Jan 12 1996 15:3822
I wouldn't say Leeds are the weakest premiership team left in the competion. Is
this remark as a result of our league position or are you winding us up ??
Shirley NOT !

I would say Leeds must be the most in-consistant team in the League. We can beat
anybody but we can equally lose to anyone as well. e.g. Man City and QPR. 

But since when has league position had anything to do with the cups. I seem to
remember the Villa winning the Coke cup and finishing 17th in the league ( or
something like that ).

Leeds are in with a good chance of winning the fizzy-pop cup but that's all. 

Just my opinion...

Brian

P.S. The ITV coverage of the Arsenal/Newcastle game was dire. Brian "I'm on the
ball" Moore was useless, as has been mentioned. I must be spoilt with the Sky
coverage who surely would have had covered the Ginola/Dixon incident better.
Also how about telling the viewers what going on in the other Coke games that
night. i.e. Score updates.
33.2374CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyFri Jan 12 1996 16:0117
    >I wouldn't say Leeds are the weakest premiership team left in the
    >competion. 
    
    Erm, ordinarily I'm not one to josh or wind people up.
    
    Leeds (x3) *are* the weakest Premiership team left. If you look at the
    tables, both Villa and Arsenal are higher and more consistent than
    Leeds (x3). I may be old-fashioned but all of this nostalgia for Leeds
    (x3) previous cup victories is over 20 years out of date. I doubt that
    'Sniffer' Clarke is going to make a comeback to help you in a tricky
    semi-final against Brum or norwich and then in a final where you will
    be the underdogs, no matter who reaches it.
    
    Sorry chaps, but you are onto a loser. Perhaps Jarvis would let us hav
    his wise words on this matter.
    
    Stuart
33.2375Virtual pints...XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Jan 12 1996 17:387
Stu,

OK buddy - 5 virtual pints that Leeds beat Arsenal in the final.

I remember that I already owe you one BTW.

                          James.
33.2376CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyFri Jan 12 1996 17:418
    James,
    
    May I suggest that you & Rick come to some arrangement whereby he buys
    me a pint and you pay him. Bales of hay and all that jazz.
    
    As for your wager, 5 virtual pints it is.
    
    Stuart
33.2377RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Jan 15 1996 11:477
    Morning....
    
    I think it'll be Norwich in the next round.... :->>>>>
             
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2378Profound noting Rick !!!!CHEFS::CROSSAMon Jan 15 1996 12:533
    Why am I not surprised at the lack opf depth to the previous entry ???
    
    			Stretch.
33.2379CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyMon Jan 15 1996 13:077
    Stretch,
    
    It would have been nice for Rick to have let us know his reasons behind
    his opinion but he would seem to get mentally exhausted if his answers
    extend to more than 2 lines. 
    
    Stuart
33.2380CHEFS::CROSSAMon Jan 15 1996 13:281
    And that includes the Cheers !!!
33.2381RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Jan 15 1996 13:388
    Well I haven't got a lot of time to notes today... we'll discuss the
    game down the pub tomorrow night...
    
    Are we still going to the Posthouse??
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2382....CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIFind a happy place...!!Mon Jan 15 1996 13:437
    No,
    
    	We're going down the Sportsman at your recommendation. Meets there
    at 7:30 ??
    
    
    Ian.
33.2383CHEFS::WEAVERDMon Jan 15 1996 13:512
    Ian, I'm sure you told me you were going to the Post House. You're not
    trying to send Rick somewhere else are you??
33.2384CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyMon Jan 15 1996 14:136
    Derek,
    
    No, Ian isn't trying to be nasty. We decided earlier today to change
    the venue as The Post House is crap and expensive.
    
    Stuart
33.2385Maligning Ian!!!CHEFS::WEAVERDMon Jan 15 1996 14:219
    Ignore me then. Ian asked me last week if I was going, but obviously a
    fourty mile drive after a night in a bar isn't to be recommended. I
    obviously had an old song sheet as I wasn't coming.
    
    Why don't I just stop waffling.
    
    Enjoy
    
    Derek
33.2386New players for old?CHEFS::BUSSONGTue Jan 16 1996 11:426
    Leeds have signed Uli Borowka on loan for the rest of the season from
    Werder Bremen. Borowka is 33 and a former international left back. They
    apparently also have Australian international defender Tony Popovic on
    trial.
    
    Graham
33.2387RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Jan 16 1996 11:5111
    Hmmm.. I wonder if they are worried about Tony Dorigo... he pulled up
    on Saturday & it might have been a re-occurance of the injury he's had
    for most of the season.
    
    Is the Australian defender a full international?? Does he have a
    British Passport????
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
    
33.2388CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyTue Jan 16 1996 12:0210
    	Rick,
        
        >Is the Australian defender a full international?? Does he have a
        >British Passport????
    
        He's got British ancestors and doesn't need a work permit. Apparently, 
    	they left England many years ago on a HM Government sponsored tour 
    	party...
    
        Stuart
33.2389How does the Non-European player rules work now?RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Jan 16 1996 12:0811
    Please correct me if I'm wrong but if he's played for the Australian
    team then he won't be considered as a European Community player? Aren't
    we are still limited to 3 non-European foreign players in any league
    match?
    
    With Tony Yeboah, Phil Massinga & now this new Australian we have
    reached our limit....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2390Decisions, decisionsCHEFS::BUSSONGTue Jan 16 1996 12:395
    Yes I think that's how it works. If Leeds sign him then 3 from Yeboah,
    Masinga, Radebe and Popovic can play as well as any number of EU
    players like Borowka.
    
    Graham
33.2391No way Kelly should have been sent off...RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Sun Jan 21 1996 14:4012
    Liverpool 5 - Leeds 0
    
    	This game was about even up until Kelly got sent off... and with
    rubbish defenders like Worthington, Beesley & Palmer at the back we 
    had no chance... Like Trevor Brooking said on MOTD, we need a couple of
    solid defendders to cover when Dorigo & Radebe are out, plus another
    body in midfield.
    
    	I don't think Brolin will stay after the end of the season.. he
    just wasn't in the game..
    
    
33.2392Revenge is sweetMETSYS::HERO::CHEWTERDo you like our fish?Mon Jan 22 1996 11:335
    
    Shame we couldn't arrange the tickets eh Rick ;-)
    
    Looks like justice is done after that fluke victory you had at the pen
    earlier this season.
33.2393Tickets.. no thanksRDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Jan 22 1996 11:446
    Yes John.. I was just thinking that while I was listening to the game
    on Radio 5....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2394Ha HaIOSG::LAYNEMon Jan 22 1996 12:247
    Rick,
    
    You sound very humbled this morning -:)
    
    William
    
    Yes - I know QOR lost again.
33.2395outclassed, outplayed, outthoughtCOMICS::HAWLEYIHere's 10p. Phone a man who cares!Mon Jan 22 1996 13:166
> No way Kelly should have been sent off...

get outta town! Even Brian Lindley reckons he should have walked!

Ian.
33.2396Glad I dropped Kelly from my fantasy team last week !!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAMon Jan 22 1996 13:198
    Rick,
       Lessons on tackling in the box really need instigating. You could
    have had two off if you had had the ref we had on Saturday. 
    
    
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!!!!
33.2397COMICS::LINDLEYMon Jan 22 1996 16:4214
    Ian - Not busy in the Unix group today, then ???
    
    What I actually said was that the ref had little option but to send
    Kelly off, because Ref are not allowed to think or give judgement
    nowadays.... After that it ceased to be a contest.
    
    Still 5-0, 5 bl**dy nil.
    
    We need a better defence. Please Mr Atkinson, come and buy Palmer,
    please. We need Jobson and Dorigo back PDQ. 
    
    Still Mad dog knows best, doesn't he ?
    
    Brian
33.2398Bolton away in the CupXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Jan 26 1996 16:1614
I think Leeds will find the going a little more difficult
at Bolton this time around, than they did when they
visited at Christmas.  For one, Leeds will be missing
at least 3 of the team that played there, and are after
coming off a very big defeat against the Red Scouse.

Saying that I think Leeds will get away with a win,
possibly 2-1 with Deane getting on the score sheet
to prove the manager wrong for not picking him first
choice last weekend.

Cup double still on!
 
                    James.
33.2399RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Jan 26 1996 16:238
    I hope he plays some of the youngsters such as Harte & Gray... I think
    they are the future of Leeds.... I certainly leave out Carlton... we
    should sell him off Coventry & get someone like John Colins in
    midfield.
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2400Anyone with any ideas ???CHEFS::CROSSAFri Jan 26 1996 17:117
    James,
        Off at a slight tangent here. Do you know the frequency RTE
    broadcasts on?? Couple of people without tickets for the game would
    like to know.
    
    
    			Stretch.
33.2401CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyFri Jan 26 1996 17:145
    Rick, 
    
    You aren't suggesting that Carlton Palmer is less than fantastic as a
    centre-half are you? Whatever next? Howard Wilkinson looking slightly
    pissed off when questioned about Asprilla on Sky TV?
33.2402Not possible without satelliteXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Jan 26 1996 17:427
I have no idea whether it's possible to get RTE TV signals
in the Reading/London area.  I think your best bet would be
to shop around the "Oirish" pubs in your area asking whether 
they are getting a feed from RTE via satellite.  I certainly
don't think it's possible to get RTE TV so far east otherwise.

                      James.
33.2403CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyFri Jan 26 1996 17:432
    Oh goodie, everyone who hasn't got a ticket can pile into The Albion
    along the Oxford Road. No chance of trouble in there chaps...
33.2404HELP !!!CHEFS::CROSSAFri Jan 26 1996 17:487
    James,
      I am going to be there so viewing is not a problem. Someone in
    Ireland is taping the game for us from RTE so again no problems. The
    problem is for people with dishes who want to try and tune their
    systems in. 
    
    			Stretch.
33.2405Forest awayXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Jan 31 1996 19:2416
We have a tough match against Forest tonight at their gaff.  We were
walloped there last year in the middle of our end of season run.  In
fact, if memory serves me right, we only lost one of our last 16
league matches, that one loss happening to be at Forest. 

Leeds have a few injuries and suspensions and with
Yeboah/Masinga/Radebe fighting it out in the ANC it looks like we will
be putting out a little less than optimal line up. 

I think we are already thinking in terms on the cups - the league not
mattering too much, except maybe to blood some more of the youngsters.

I cannot see us getting anything out of the game, a point would be 
a bonus though.

                          James.
33.2406RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Jan 31 1996 19:518
    Yep.. I have to agree with ya there James... we'll be lucky to get
    anything at Forest esp. with people like Ford etc out of the team...
    
    Is Carlton suspended or is that just wishful thinking on my part?
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2407CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyWed Jan 31 1996 19:536
    Rick, 
    
    No wishful thinking on your part would be if Carlton got sold...
    
    Stuart
    
33.2408RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Jan 31 1996 19:545
    Esp. to Coventry in exchange for Dublin... :->
    
    Cheers,
    
    
33.2409Carlton Palmer: New England Manager?CHEFS::BUSSONGThu Feb 01 1996 12:153
    What are you complaining about, he scored last night didn't he?;-}
    
    Graham
33.2410CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyThu Feb 01 1996 12:161
    What another own goal?
33.2411RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Feb 01 1996 12:376
    Yep.. he scored a goal.. & then gave away a penalty.. so we still
    lost...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2412XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Feb 01 1996 16:194
At least I predicted the correct score last night
sigh...

                   James.
33.2413Aston Villa awayXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Feb 02 1996 14:0510
Another tough away game this Saturday.  I think Leeds can get
something out of this game though - possibly a 1-1 draw.  Villa were
well stirred up last Wednesday night against Liverpool.  Tomorrow's
game is also a possible curtain raiser to the CCC final in 6 weeks
time (which reminds me that I have to start looking at the flights for
the w/e of 24 March). 

Get those non-alcoholic beers ready Rick :-).

                          James.
33.2414LIGHTWEIGHTCHEFS::CROSSAFri Feb 02 1996 16:271
    Non-alcoholic???
33.2415CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyFri Feb 02 1996 16:433
    >Non-alcoholic???
    
    Ah, I get it. That's irony...
33.2416TWAT!!!CHEFS::CROSSAFri Feb 02 1996 17:122
    Shut up Stratto, as far as you understand things Irony is a vitamin
    supplement.
33.2417XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Feb 02 1996 18:181
I don't drink :-)
33.2418Not drinking is for GURLIES!!!CHEFS::CROSSAFri Feb 02 1996 18:283
    So James, given your teetotalism,  how can you watch Leeds SOBER eh?
    
         			Stretch.
33.2419Villa 3 - Hopeless Utd 0RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Feb 05 1996 13:3610
    Well another outstanding defeat..... with good ol' Carlton doing his
    bit to make sure we went down.... :-/
    
    Looks like Brolin is going to be leaving after being dropped on
    Saturday... but at least we'll have Yeboah back for the game on
    Wednesday.
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2420CHEFS::CROSSAMon Feb 05 1996 13:403
    Should have kept Whelan eh? 
    
    				Stretch.
33.2421RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Feb 05 1996 14:097
    Yep.. we should have kept Whelan & got rid of Brolin...
    
    Lets hope GG is installed as the new manager come July...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2422XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Mon Feb 05 1996 15:088
Great seeing all these ecstatic Villa fans coming
out of the woodwork over the weekend.

Nothing to worry about, Wilko is just lulling ye
all into a false sense of security ;-).  The cup
double is still on!

                 James.
33.2423CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJYou ain't seen me, roight?Mon Feb 05 1996 16:329
    
    RE. The cup double is still on!
    
    True but not winning either is not much to be proud of.
    
    
    Jeff
    
    
33.2424Reasons to be cheerful Reasons to be cheerful Reasons to be cheerfulCHEFS::WEAVERDMon Feb 05 1996 16:584
    re -2
    
    Why should Villa fans be ecstatic about a home victory over a barely
    moderate mid table side??? 
33.2425Nice one Derek.CHEFS::CROSSAMon Feb 05 1996 18:151
    oooooo You Bitch!
33.2426It could be worseXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Mon Feb 05 1996 18:5315
Well if Wilko cannot pull, at least, one of the cups out of the bag
this season he can kiss his ass goodbye.  We have suffered enough at
his hands over the past few years and are near the end of our tether.

Wilko is playing his last two hands of cards (CC and FA Cup) and he
better be packing a good hand if he expects to start next season as
manager!

I'm stil pro-Wilko but am wavering after the last three disasters. 

                          James.

P.S. It could be worse: I could be a Reading or Middlesbro fan :-).

P.P.S. Watch your language Stretch, I no Gurl ;-).
33.2427Please explain "I no Gurl" !?!?!CHEFS::CROSSAMon Feb 05 1996 20:005
    James,
    It could be better though. If, of course, your loyalties lay on the right
    side of the Pennines!
    
    				Stretch.
33.2428Reading wouldn't have you! (NOT the Biblical variety)CHEFS::CROSSAMon Feb 05 1996 20:157
    Sorry James,
        After extensive studies by linguistic experts (me) it has been
    decided that you are performing the ancient craft of bragging/boasting.
    Sad to inform you that talking to the "Gurl" behind the McDonalds counter
    does not constitute "nooing" in the Biblical sense!
    
    			Stretch.
33.2429Bloody Gloryhunters !!! Only chance you had of a Wembley trip!CHEFS::CROSSAMon Feb 05 1996 20:175
    AND another thing while on the subject of Leeds(x3) and the Mighty
    Reading. Rick, Would you care to enlighten the noting community as to the
    item of neckwear you had on the other night? eh! EH?
    
    			Stretch.
33.2430RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Feb 05 1996 20:225
    What... my Leeds scarf you mean.... ;->
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2431CHEFS::COOPERT1Captain Compassion.Mon Feb 05 1996 20:234
    Rick, how many Chelsea players in your fantasy team thingy?
    
    
    CHARLES "CHARLEY" CHARLES
33.2432RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Feb 05 1996 20:246
    2... I didn't pick them cos they were Chelsea.. I picked them cos they
    were good players.... who should be playing for Leeds... 
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2433Am I glad I dropped Kelly from my fantasy team!CHEFS::CROSSAMon Feb 05 1996 20:283
    Rick, 
    
      Ref .2430. Not quite you little liar!
33.2434RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Feb 05 1996 20:545
    Don't know what ya mean mate.. 
    
    	Cheers,	
    
    	Rick
33.2435Do the decent thing Rick, Show your true colours!CHEFS::CROSSAMon Feb 05 1996 20:575
    Rick,
    Either stand up and tell them yourself or someone else may have too!
    
    
    			Stretch.
33.2436CHEFS::COOPERT1Captain Compassion.Tue Feb 06 1996 16:526
    .2432
    
    Just admit it, you're a closet Chelsea fan.
    
    
    CHARLEY
33.2437RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Feb 07 1996 16:078
    >you're a closet Chelsea fan.
    
    	Nope... never... not in a million years....... they'd have to drag
    me out & shoot me before I'd admit to being a Chelsea fan...
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rickm.
33.2438Do the right thing!CHEFS::CROSSAWed Feb 07 1996 17:141
    Last chance Rick!
33.2439CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyWed Feb 07 1996 17:176
    Stretch,
    
    FFS, get on with it. This 'outing' is taking longer than Paul
    Patemans...
    
    Stuart
33.2440RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Feb 07 1996 17:276
    I'll let you tell them Stretch.. you'll probably get a kick out of it..
    
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2441It was a READING scarf. Bought to go too Wembley.Gloryhunter!!!CHEFS::CROSSAWed Feb 07 1996 17:271
    And you know the answer, Stratto! 
33.2442RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Feb 07 1996 17:3010
    >Bought to go too Wembley.
    
    	Well.. I bought it cos it was cheap... like the team...
    
    	You can't get a good thick Leeds scarf for under a five quid.... so
    I thought I give the money to my local charity.... 
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2443Obvious answerCHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyWed Feb 07 1996 17:378
    Rick,
    
    > You can't get a good thick Leeds scarf 
    
    Well it must be the only thing about the club and its supporters that
    isn't.
    
    Stuart
33.2444Here's to WembleyXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Feb 09 1996 18:546
I'm optimistic about the game on Sunday.  I think Leeds will do the 
business against Brum, maybe 2-1.

Here's to Wembley!

                          James.
33.2445And Reading have got Bary F's mob last game of the season.CHEFS::CROSSAFri Feb 09 1996 19:057
    James,
       Your defence want to watch out for Francis. Huge bloke. Took all of
    the Norwich team on last week, and won! I can see young Kelly just
    about reaching his kneecaps! Will Samways be in the squad by then? Or
    more importantly will Vinnie "I'm no Animal" Jones?
    
    			Stretch.
33.2446XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Feb 09 1996 19:203
Re: huge bloke

Remember Stretch, we have Palmer :-/.
33.2447CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyFri Feb 09 1996 19:483
    Palmer?!!
    
    He makes Gus Caesar look elegant.
33.2448XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Feb 09 1996 20:021
;-)
33.2449A WIN in a Semi-Final!!!!!!!GIDDAY::PARSONSPOLYCENTER on WNT SupportMon Feb 12 1996 05:2111
    
    League Cup Semi-Final 1st Leg
    
    Birmingham City  (1) 1  Leeds United   (0) 2
                      
                            Yeboah
                            Chris Whyte o.g.
    
    Not a great performance or result but any win in a semi-final will
    do.  Now if they can just avoid doing something stupid in the second
    leg it's Wembley here we go.
33.2450Just for Stretch & the other Reading fans....RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Feb 12 1996 11:4312
    Wembley.. Wembley... 
    We're the Great Leeds United & we're off to Wembley.....
    Wembley.. Wembley... 
    We're the Great Leeds United & we're off to Wembley.....
    Wembley.. Wembley... 
    We're the Great Leeds United & we're off to Wembley.....
    Wembley.. Wembley... 
    We're the Great Leeds United & we're off to Wembley.....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2451So what's your prediction for the replay James??RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Feb 12 1996 11:4918
    Well not a bad match... Kevin Francis goal was outstanding... it was
    lucky it didn't break the post.. 
    
    We woz lucky in places but it looks like our name could be on the
    cup.... at least we have two away goals for the next round.
    
    McAllister was outstanding..  & according to Teletext Arsenal are
    trying to sign him for 3 million.... I think they're going to add
    another 2-3 million to that figure if they're going to have any hope..
    
    Yeboah look tired after playing quite a few games... but he still comes
    up with the goods in the end.. :->
    
    Overall.. a good game... & I can't wait for the second leg.... :->
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2452CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyMon Feb 12 1996 12:147
33.2453RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Feb 12 1996 12:176
    Knowing Howard... he'll probably do a straight exchange for McGoldrick
    or Parlour.... :->>>
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick
33.2454Don't forget the rest of the Arsenal midfieldCHEFS::BUSSONGMon Feb 12 1996 13:163
    Rioch may through Morrow and Hillier into that deal as well!;->
    
    Graham
33.2455Where was Pig boy then?CHEFS::CROSSAMon Feb 12 1996 14:3211
    And Robertsons unveil the new line in Semi-Final Jam! Called the Leeds
    extra Jammy Jam flavour! 
    
    Not the most inspiring of games. Francis' goal was a corker (I said to
    watch out for him). If Yeboah keeps missing shots like that row z
    blaster from a couple of feet out Man U may well have to sign him!!!
    Clare mumbled something about been here, seen that, got sod all
    as soon as your equaliser went in. 
    
    
    			Stretch.
33.2456So you'll be supporting Leeds in the second leg then Stretch?RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Feb 12 1996 14:347
    >Where was Pig boy then?
    
    	On his way out of Leeds from what I can make out....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2457Same with Villa on Wednesday !CHEFS::CROSSAMon Feb 12 1996 14:462
    Rick,
      I may not be a big Brum fan normally but in two weeks time.....
33.2458RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Feb 12 1996 14:546
    Anybody would think you're a little bit sore after loosing in the 1/4
    finals Stretch.. ;->
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2459Don't tell anyone else.CHEFS::WEAVERDMon Feb 12 1996 17:304
    Hang on Stretch, even I was yelling when Francs put that one in, and
    thats a capital offence back home.
    
    Derek
33.2460CHEFS::CROSSAMon Feb 12 1996 17:398
    Derek,
    I'm sure that would be forgiven due to the "oppostion" on the day.
    Mitigating circumstances and all that.
    
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S So are we going for a drinkies for the Villa - Arse match? Will
    Stratto bottle it? Do we care?                               
33.2461CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyMon Feb 12 1996 17:467
    Stretch,
    
    Which leg are we talking about? If it's the second leg, yeah ok, I
    s'pose I'd better go even if it is just to watch you make a buffoon of
    yourself as per usual.
    
    Stuart
33.2462Sooner than you would like?CHEFS::CROSSAMon Feb 12 1996 18:254
    Stratto,
    1st leg. This Wednesday , I believe. 
    
    			Stretch.
33.2463CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyMon Feb 12 1996 18:264
    In that case Stretch, I shall be unable to attend as I will be at
    Highbury.
    
    Stuart
33.2464Or even Perrier - Ugh!!!CHEFS::WEAVERDMon Feb 12 1996 19:082
    Love to join this Wed., but my old problem is a 40 mile drive, and I
    certainly don't intend to watch clutching a can of diet coke!!!!! 
33.2465RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Feb 12 1996 19:136
    Wow.. Stuart is a real Arsenal supporter... you don't find too many of
    those now a days.. 
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2466No Gary Mac for 3 million...RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Feb 13 1996 12:3321
    Well it looks like the F.A. are going to take action after the
    disgusting incidents that happened at the CCC Semi Final on Sunday.
    
    Gary McAllister was hit by a coin thrown from the Birmingham City fans,
    and it was reported on Ceefax that the linesman had retreived a snooker
    ball which had been thrown onto the pitch. 
    
    Later on, Leslie Silver & other members of the Leeds board had their
    mini van attacked a mile away from the St. Andrews ground... although
    the police have not been able to determine whether it was caused by
    Birmingham City fans.
    
    Birmingham City have sunk even lower then Millwall in my list of teams
    that I'd hate to see in the Premier League.
    
    In my opinion, their fans should be banned from both Home & Away
    matches for the rest of the season.
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2467Hang 'em high!CHEFS::CROSSATue Feb 13 1996 12:5819
    Rick,
     > Well it looks like the F.A. are going to take action after the
     > disgusting incidents that happened at the CCC Semi Final on Sunday.
    
      What? Are they are going to ban Leeds from the cup for being Jammy sods!
    
    But seriously folks. I can understand your rage at their behaviour.
    Reading have got them away for the last game of the season. What a trip
    to look forward too. They still hold a grudge about the Royals from a
    few years back so need no excuse for a bit of trouble. What I cannot
    understand is the fact that the F.A (aptly named) do nothing when
    Millwall/Birmingham repeatedly commit these acts i.e Spanner throwing
    by Millwall at Elm Park this season while they still had a huge fine
    hanging over them from last seasons dust up with Derby. Birmingham and
    Millwall have already had a run in this season as well! Birch the lot
    of them! Bring back the cane etc etc
    
    
    		Corporal_punishment_Stretch.
33.2468Every team has 'emCHEFS::JAMESPTue Feb 13 1996 13:114
    
    Whats happening about the coin incident at Elm Park then ???
    
    Pj
33.2469Second Leg date yet?ESSB::TJORDANStan The ManTue Feb 13 1996 14:145
Hello Folks,

   When is the 2nd leg on ?

                                               Tony.
33.247025/2, 12 noon kick-offCHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyTue Feb 13 1996 14:151
    
33.2471Sad but true!CHEFS::CROSSATue Feb 13 1996 14:3410
    Pj,
     Things have gone very quiet on that front. A steward, apparently,    
    identified the twat in question but nothing has happened that I have heard. 
    
    
    I do agree with you that all grounds have their own fair share of
    prats, and I was , honestly, going to mention our own. I simply forgot
    to put it in the note.(honest Guv!)			
    
    			Stretch.
33.2472Dirty blighters....CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIFind a happy place...!!Tue Feb 13 1996 16:0119
    Taken from IRN
    
    
    UEFA have ordered Leeds United to upgrade their dressing rooms for 
    Euro 96. 
                     
    Rebuilding work costing #500,000 is to be spent on upgrading Elland 
    Road's facilities. 
                     
    Portable dressing rooms will be used until the end of the season.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    It's going to be a tad chilly in those Changing rooms !! The wind has
    been known to howl up there !!!
    
    
    Ian.
    
    
33.2473Obvious sheep jibe!CHEFS::CROSSATue Feb 13 1996 17:065
    Ian,
    You mean their dipping facilities are not Euro-legitimate?<--is that a
    word? It is now!
    
    			Stretch.
33.2474Cup wins continueGIDDAY::PARSONSPOLYCENTER on WNT SupportThu Feb 15 1996 06:1511
    
    F.A. Cup 4th Round
    
    Bolton Wanderers  (0) 0  Leeds United   (1) 1
    
                             Wallace
    
    Another away cup win and to make it even better it's Port Vale
    at home in the next round.  Looks like it's Villa in League Cup
    Final if we get past Birmingham.
    
33.2475RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Feb 15 1996 13:0114
    Reasonable display last night... Gromit getting the only goal of the
    match after 58 seconds.... 
    
    >it's Port Vale at home in the next round.
    
    	Yep.. but they've just knocked out Everton... they were all over
    them.. they should have won by more...
    
    	I'll reserve my judgement on this game... I think we should win 2-1
    in the end...
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2476Feelings...XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Feb 15 1996 17:0916
It's better to be lucky than good...

Leeds new motto, perchance?

Another adequate victory, if reports are anything to go by.  I'll take
it either way!

Nice to see Rodney score again after a long absence from the score
sheet and most importantly of all a clean sheet to bolster the
defence. 

I feel a cup in my waters ;-).

What's the odds a cup double now I wonder?

                          James.
33.2477Liverpool in next round == no problem!XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Mon Feb 19 1996 15:0710
Looks like we are in for a semi-final game against what the
newspapers think is the only "United" left in the FA Cup, if
the Irish Independent are to be believed (which usually they
aren't):

United move closer to Twin Towers date (or summat like that).

Another media conspiracy - of course!

                     James.
33.2478Planned semi-finalsGIDDAY::PARSONSPOLYCENTER on WNT SupportTue Feb 20 1996 02:077
    
    Well we know the semi-final draw already.
    
    Leeds or Liverpool vs Aston Villa
    Grimsby or Huddersfield vs Man Utd
    
    This will be reviewed if Charlton or Port Vale make it to the semi
33.2479Game On or Off??CHEFS::JAMANISWed Feb 21 1996 17:213
    Anyone know if the game is still on tonight?
    
    Shafiq.
33.2480XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Feb 22 1996 15:1523
Looks like Leeds were crap last night - really crap.

Brolin wasn't playing - whether he was injured or not
is not certain.

Macca and Yeboah were marked out of the game and the
rest of the Leeds team didn't have enough skill to make
up the defecit.  Port Vale were well worth the draw and
were very unlucky not to progress first time themselves
:-(.

It's going to be very difficult at their patch next week,
or whenever the replay is.  

Another big game on Sunday.  Leeds may just limp over 
the line to a Wembley date but christ we have our work
cut out to beat Villa...

Wilko is playing his last few hands.  His bluff is about
to be called and it's likely that he will have nothing to
show.

                     James.
33.2481Table quiz in Galway!XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Feb 23 1996 12:4215
33.2482From IRN - Proof that Sheep have no brainsCHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback &amp; NastyMon Feb 26 1996 19:559
    Football fan Neil Batley's struck a unique double bet with William
    Hill....that his wife will give birth on the day Leeds win this
    season's FA Cup final.
    
    If his double comes off the Buckinghamshire punter will collect
    winnings of #330 after staking #5 at odds of 66-1.
    
    The final's played on May 11, the day before Batley's wife is due to
    give birth.
33.2483Rick, you are too quiet at the moment!!!CHEFS::CROSSAMon Feb 26 1996 20:134
    I take it that induction of said "lamb" is a no-no?
    
    
    				Stretch.
33.24846TH TD DRAWESSB::TJORDANStan The ManTue Feb 27 1996 14:488
Hello Folks,

        Has anybody got the FA CUP 6TH rd draw  if so could they please
        send it on.

                                          Thanks,

                                            Tony.
33.2485The 6th Round TiesESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Tue Feb 27 1996 16:1112
33.2486eh?CHEFS::CROSSAAnd I wanna get ......Tue Feb 27 1996 17:177
    Rick/James/anyone,
        Whilst watching the Leeds v Birmingham "highlights" on Sunday a    
    comment was passed by the commentator. Something along the lines
    of...."this will be Leeds first visit to Wembley for 23 years" is this
    true? If it is then you are worse than City for domestic silverware!
    
    			Stretch.
33.2487Not one to stick up for the sheep but .....CHEFS::EDWARDSDTue Feb 27 1996 17:274
    >If it is then you are worse than City for domestic silverware!
    
    I take it you're not counting the League Championship in '92 then ?
    
33.2488Of all the people it had to be you!CHEFS::CROSSAAnd I wanna get ......Tue Feb 27 1996 17:556
    Mr Edwards, 
    Stratto is absent so you "gambol" to the Leeds defence! What I think
    they meant (the commentators) is that Leeds have not won a "cup"
    proper. You know what I mean you ........etc.......etc......!!!
                
    			Stretch.
33.2489CHEFS::JAMANISTue Feb 27 1996 18:078
    Stretch,
    
    Leeds played at Wembley in the Charity Shield four years ago against
    Liverpool and won 4-3!.
    
    So Leeds have been to Wembley in recent times..
    
    Shafiq. 
33.2490Being a pedant.CHEFS::CROSSAAnd I wanna get ......Tue Feb 27 1996 19:446
    Shafiq,
    >> Leeds have not won a "cup" proper.
                                  ------  <---- important word! "Doing a lot
    of work for charidee mate"is not the same.
    
    			Stretch.
33.2491CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback &amp; NastyWed Feb 28 1996 12:087
    Stretch,
    
    Showing your in-depth knowledge of teams that you "support" yet again,
    eh? Mind you, given the number of teams you "support" it's hardly
    surprising that you can't remember their domestic honours.
    
    Stuart
33.2492You moody Sheep defender!CHEFS::CROSSAAnd I wanna get ......Wed Feb 28 1996 12:491
    Was the gig that bad?
33.2493YesCHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback &amp; NastyWed Feb 28 1996 13:021
    
33.2494CHEFS::JAMANISWed Feb 28 1996 13:4611
    Port Vale 1		Leeds 2
    
    Naylor		Macca 2
    
    
    Well, we played crap in the first half and deserved to be behind.  In
    the second half we showed a bit more imagination and desire and that
    man McCalister came through with two excellent goals.
    
    Shafiq
    
33.2495CHEFS::CROSSAAnd I wanna get ......Wed Feb 28 1996 16:1811
    Shafiq,
    Hell of a free kick by Gary Mac. Quite amusing after when he was being
    interviewed and said "I am not going to say we deserved to win". They
    did finish well on the night though. Brolin put a good cross in for the
    first goal. Liked Lukics leg positioning on the first goal, brilliant
    nutmeg!
    
    			Stretch
    
    P.S James - What will the Elland Road faithful be saying if Wilko gets
    you to Wembley TWICE? 
33.2496Comments on SundayXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Mar 01 1996 13:4217
Written on Tuesday
------------------

Come of fellow Leeds fans, I thought this topic would be alive with
excitement, comment and mirth at the fact that we've reached our first
Wembley final in 23 years.  I'm certainly full of all three - some
people might ask: when am I not.  However, in this case I can say that
I'm looking forward immensely to our first Wembley final in a
generation.  I was but a sapling of 4.5 years when we last reached a
final - that infamous Sunderland game in 1973.  The less said about
that debacle here the better.  We'll make up for that one, this time
around, especially noting the fact that the seven times I've seen
Leeds live, we've won each time. 

Get those beers ready Rick :-).

                          James.
33.2497Comments about TuesdayXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Mar 01 1996 14:1252
Christ, were we lucky at Vale on Tuesday night, or what!  We played so
poorly that I could hardly believe my eyes.  The few positive things
to come out of the night were: 

1. Macca's two incredible goals.  The first was an ace header from an 
ace cross by Brolin.  The second was a superb free kick that Macca
knew exactly what he wanted to do with. 

2. Brolin getting more than 5 minutes on the pitch.  I am at a
complete loss how our great manager could select Masinga ahead of a
proven world class player - even if Brolin isn't 100% yet.  Brolin's a
lot better than either Masinga or Wallace, or both put together. 

3. We won even though we were crap.  Thankfully Vale were even worse.
The win sets up a dinger of a match versus the Red Scouse.  I've
already put my pride at stake by betting with a scouse fan (who shall 
remain nameless) that he would have to wear a Leeds shirt for a day if
we win and I would have to wear a scouse jersey if the reds win.  It's
a matter of life and death that Leeds do the business... 

4. We must have paid off the referee, or else he has "I LOVE LUFC"
tattooed on his arse as I cannot understand how he didn't give at
least one of the two obvious penalties that Vale deserved during the
course of the match.  The first was when Worthington blatantly pushed
the winger off the ball during the first half.  The second - and more
dodgy - was the Wetherall juggling incident during the second half. 

5. This win keeps up my incredible record of seeing Leeds win each
time I've seen then live on the box this season.  The next match will
be my 10th time (win) this season ;-). 

If we don't win something this year, we never will.  Hopefully we 
haven't exhausted our large reservoir of luck - all we need is to win 
four more games for the double.  Leeds are being offered at 25/1 for 
the double FWIW.

The next problem is where to get a ticket for the CCC final.  Any
ideas from other more experienced noters would be greatly appreciated.
I've read a lot from the leeds United mailing list about the need for
membership cards when applying for tickets.  Is this true?  How does 
this work when you get tickets through a foreign supporters' club?  
What's the odds of scalping on the day?  Any advice would be *really* 
appreciated.

Stretch, The mailing list is split very evenly into two camps: Wilko
in and Wilko out at the moment.  If Wilko doesn't being home the bacon
from one of the cups, his tenure at Leeds may not extend until next
season! 

Time to go back to work, 

                          James.
33.2498RDGENG::MORRELLMee Mee Mee Mee.....Mon Mar 04 1996 12:557
    Wembley.. Wembley...
    
    We're the GREAT LEEDS UNITED & we're off to Wembley....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2499GroanCHEFS::EDWARDSDMon Mar 04 1996 13:213
    re:-1
    
    Welcome back Rick.
33.2500RDGENG::MORRELLMee Mee Mee Mee.....Mon Mar 04 1996 13:305
    Thank you Dave.....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2501BOLTON BOLTON BOLTON BOLTON BOLTON BOLTON etc etcCHEFS::CROSSAAnd I wanna get ......Mon Mar 04 1996 14:151
    BOLTON!!!
33.2502RDGENG::MORRELLMee Mee Mee Mee.....Mon Mar 04 1996 14:186
    Now I'd never thought I'd hear you cheering for Bolton, Stretch....
    
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2503CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback &amp; NastyMon Mar 04 1996 14:333
    Why not, he supports every other team in the land.
    
    Stuart
33.2504Only on SPECIAL occasions!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAMon Mar 04 1996 14:347
    I think you understand, Rick. Anyway I had my laugh at their expense
    last Sunday!
    
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S Now answer some of the questions we have placed in your absence. Your
    witty repartee has been missed!
33.2505CHEFS::CROSSAMon Mar 04 1996 14:373
    And Stuart. It would be a cold day in Hell before I pledged my
    allegience to that team that inspires awe across the planet....The
    Arse!!!                                                
33.2506RDGENG::MORRELLMee Mee Mee Mee.....Mon Mar 04 1996 14:407
    Hi Stratto...
    
    	What a shame we won't be beeting Arsenal in the final.. :->
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2507CHEFS::JAMANISWed Mar 06 1996 15:4114
33.2508Ho Ho CHEFS::CROSSAWed Mar 06 1996 15:515
    Shafiq,
    	Having not seen the board on the pitch I might have to query that
    point!
    
    			Stretch.
33.2509RDGENG::MORRELLMee Mee Mee Mee.....Thu Mar 07 1996 11:1317
    QPR 1 	- 	Leeds 2
    		
    	   		Yeboah 2
    
    Well another fine victory.. ( not... ) 
    
    We were lucky to get away with this one... but we got the 3 points and
    so that should make us safe from relegation.... now we have the easy
    task of knocking Liverpool out of the F.A. Cup on Sunday... :->
    
    I bet Bill Layne is going to be very quiet today... :->>>>>>
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.,
    
    
33.2510Not here really!IOSG::LAYNEThu Mar 07 1996 12:247
    Bill Layne is too busy worruing about the Cricket World cup.
    
    William Layne
    
    
    P.S. We wus robbed!!
    
33.2511CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJYou ain't seen me, roight?Thu Mar 07 1996 13:498
     
    Bill, there's no need to worry about the cricket - West Indies have got
    no chance!
    
    
    Jeff
    
    
33.2512Weetabix and prayersXSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Mar 08 1996 19:5414
It's going to be tough on Sunday against the Red Scouse.
I hope for the best, but expect the worst, given our
relative league form.  We have beaten Liverpool at home
this season and we seem to be having the bit of luck
needed in the cup competitions, upto now that is.  The
only hope Leeds have is that I am watching the game live
on TV :-).  I'm 9 for 9 when seeing Leeds live from my
armchair this season.

Brolin and Yeboah have better had their Weetabix on 
Sunday morning and Beesley and Worthington have been
had said their prayers!

                      James.
33.2513Thanks then.CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJYou ain't seen me, roight?Mon Mar 11 1996 11:0310
    
    Well, congratulations to Leeds for the being the first team ever to
    play for penaltys from the first minute of the first game in an FA cup
    tie. What a lot of firsts that is..
    
    And to think I came back from the pub to watch that.
    
    
    Jeff
    
33.2514pERCHANCE TO DREAMCHEFS::WRAITHCMon Mar 11 1996 12:248
    re last:
    
    agreed, Leeds have pertfected the "away team" tactics and are now
    playing them at home fixtures - a mega step forward for the game, I
    think.
    
    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ....
    
33.2515CHEFS::COOPERT1A Deity in DreadlocksMon Mar 11 1996 13:594
    That was probably the most boring game I've ever seen.
    
    
    CHARLEY
33.2516Even Jimmy Hill was brighter than the gameCHEFS::BUSSONGMon Mar 11 1996 14:045
    It could have been worse though. Imagine if they'd been playing the
    Arse, the only team that could get away with playing Martin Keown in
    midfield!
    
    Graham
33.2517XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Mar 19 1996 20:027
Maybe it's a case of deja vu but I thought I put a note in here
on Friday.  It isn't here anymore in any case.  Call in Mulder 
and Sculley!

3 days 'til I'm off to London, and counting :-).

             James (in possession of a CCC final ticket).
33.2518RDGENG::IOSG::CHEWTERJHey Bert, got a light ?Thu Mar 21 1996 11:283
    
    Well lets hope that you get a good game to watch... I wonder whether
    Leeds will play for the penalty shootout in this competition as well !
33.2519Mr Angry.CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJYou ain't seen me, roight?Thu Mar 21 1996 11:3215
    
    Leeds big mistake last night was in not playing Brian Deane on the
    wing. Don't you agree, Rick?
    
    Incidentally, did anyone else in the UK watch the Juventus vs Real
    Madrid game, with the intention of watching the FA cup highlights
    later? If so, you will have noticed that ITV ensured that you couldn't
    do the latter without knowing the result - a more petty-minded,
    pathetic, childish action, it's hard to imagine. Does anyone know the
    address of this bunch of bumholes because I fully intend to give them a
    piece of my mind (and, as you know, I haven't got that much to spare)?
    
    Jeff
    
    
33.2520IRNBRU::HOWARDLovely Day for a GuinnessThu Mar 21 1996 12:437
    .2519 re ITV spoilsports
    
    well said that man. Sportsnight was ruined for me by these plonkers. I
    have BBC's `Points of View' email address around somewhere. Do ITV have
    a similar programme?...
    
    Mr. O'Angry 
33.2521Where are you Rick?????CHEFS::CROSSAAlias Fabio Thu Mar 21 1996 13:3213
    >> a more petty-minded,
        pathetic, childish action, it's hard to imagine.
    
    
    o.k try this for size! "ner.. ner... ner.. Leeds are Sh*t. Liverpool kicked
    your Sheepy a*ses! ner ... ner ....ner....".etc etc  Purile enough???
    
    Ref Addresses - The Radio Times has phone #'s etc for all channels. I
    will try and remeber to have a look for you (unless anyone buys a copy
    of the RT today)
    
    
    				Stretch.
33.2522RDGENG::IOSG::CHEWTERJHey Bert, got a light ?Mon Mar 25 1996 11:132
    
    	Morning Rick, Good weekend ???
33.2523RDGENG::MORRELLI'm just OUTATIME..... Mon Mar 25 1996 12:127
    Nope....
    
    We were rubbish.... a real let down.....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2524Now you didn't boo that nice Mr Wilkinson, did you Rick?CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback &amp; NastyMon Mar 25 1996 12:187
33.2525CHEFS::COOPERT1Five Nations ChampionsMon Mar 25 1996 12:265
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    
    
    
    CHARLEY
33.2526IRNBRU::HOWARDLovely Day for a GuinnessMon Mar 25 1996 12:3510
    Leeds were rubbish. Wilkinson is tactically naive, how anyone can push
    his claims for the England manager's job is beyond me. Mc Grath &
    Ehiogu had Yeboah & Deane in their pocket all afternoon and the Leeds
    central defenders were just too bad to be true....
    
    there was also a world-first yesterday as well..the ITV commentator
    Brian Moore actually told a joke. He called Milosevic
    `Missalotevic'....
    
    Ray....
33.2527CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback &amp; NastyMon Mar 25 1996 12:384
    >Wilkinson is tactically naive, how anyone can push his claims for the
    >England manager's job is beyond me
                                               
    Seems to have the perfect qualifications... 
33.25283 - 0, 3 - 0, 3 - 0, 3 - 0 etc etcCHEFS::CROSSAWhat a splendid weekend!Mon Mar 25 1996 13:139
    Ho Ho Ho - GGGGOOOOOOOOODDDDDD Mornin' Rick!!!!!
    
    
    Villa did not look as though they even needed to break into a sweat! A
    bit of a let down gamewise BUT it is the result that counts at the
    moment!!!!
    
    
    			Stretch.
33.2529CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback &amp; NastyMon Mar 25 1996 13:246
    Stretch,
    
    Why are you so chuffed. Or are Villa (another) one of your multitude of
    teams that you've supported since childhood.
    
    Stuart
33.2530RDGENG::MORRELLI'm just OUTATIME..... Mon Mar 25 1996 13:305
    Well lets hope Reading get relegated..... 
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Mr. Cheerful.
33.2531CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback &amp; NastyMon Mar 25 1996 13:375
    So then Rick,
    
    Is Barmy Wilko on his way out?
    
    Stuart 
33.2532RDGENG::MORRELLI'm just OUTATIME..... Mon Mar 25 1996 13:395
    I certainly hope so... and GG should be on his way in...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2533CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback &amp; NastyMon Mar 25 1996 13:505
    >and GG should be on his way in...
    
    So Brolin'll be at centre back next year.
    
    Stuart
33.2534RDGENG::MORRELLI'm just OUTATIME..... Mon Mar 25 1996 13:5911
33.2535SuperStratto? Super bloody obvious more like!CHEFS::CROSSAWhat a splendid weekend!Mon Mar 25 1996 14:016
    Shut up Stratto! If anyone around here should be questioned about
    allegiences it is YOU. Bloody Sheep in Arse clothing! AND you seem to
    be taking a lot more interest in Reading than a gloater should !!!
    Defender of injustices? Defender of all things sheepy more like!
    
    			Stretch. 
33.2536How long 'til Brolin IS fit them?CHEFS::CROSSAWhat a splendid weekend!Mon Mar 25 1996 14:046
    Rick,
     About Yeboah. I thought he was saying he would be at Elland Road for
    the next two years and then he will retire. If he wants out I am sure
    Mr Edwards (Martin) could stump up the cash.
    
    			Stretch.
33.2537Sleep Depravation is not a good idea.CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback &amp; NastyMon Mar 25 1996 14:0612
    >If anyone around here should be questioned about allegiences it is YOU.
    
    Why?
    
    >AND you seem to be taking a lot more interest in Reading than a
    >gloater should !!!
    
    Actually, I find it highly amusing that Reading are heading into the
    second. Means there will be less knobheads parking outside my house
    next year.
    
    Stuart
33.2538BAACHEFS::BUSSONGMon Mar 25 1996 14:285
    Did someone mention sheep?
    
    Stretch, you seem a bit touchy about something?
    
    Graham
33.2539CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback &amp; NastyMon Mar 25 1996 14:445
    Graham,
    
    I think it's 'cos most of us had a top weekend and Stretch didn't.
    
    Stuart
33.2540Now BAAAAAAAAAGER off !!!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAWhat a splendid weekend!Mon Mar 25 1996 15:148
    Stratto,
      Check the p_name, Muncehead!!!
    
    Graham,
     Who is top of the second div at the moment?
    
    		
    			Stretch.
33.2541CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback &amp; NastyMon Mar 25 1996 15:2011
    >Check the p_name, Muncehead!!!
    
    So why have you had a good weekend? Can't have been the football...
    
    >Who is top of the second div at the moment?
    
    Where would you rather be Hippy? In a relegation dogfight that the Gods
    have pre-ordained will be lost with a home defeat against Wolves or,
    second with 2 games in hand and looking good for a championship?
    
    Stuart$Defender_of_injustices_etc._etc.
33.2542C'mon then Stratto! Defend your flock!CHEFS::CROSSAWhat a splendid weekend!Tue Apr 02 1996 15:446
    Rick,
    So Brolin has said he is offski! How much for 16 (not even full)       
    appearences? eh? EH!?!?!
    
    
         		Stretch.
33.2543Brolin back to SwedenZUR01::ASHGrahame Ash @RLETue Apr 02 1996 16:084
Read this morning that Brolin's already gone - to Norkoping (approx, sorry!) 
on loan for the rest of the season.

g
33.2544RDGENG::MORRELLI'm just OUTATIME..... Tue Apr 02 1996 16:1113
    >Read this morning that Brolin's already gone - to Norkoping (approx,
    >sorry!) 
    
    	Well on Radio 5 it said that it was supposed to have been an April
    Fools joke... dreamt up by Brolin & Swedish TV... so we'll see if he's
    actually gone to Sweden.. 
    
    	I hope not...
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
    
33.2545hhmmmmmmmmmmmm?????CHEFS::CROSSAWhat a splendid weekend!Tue Apr 02 1996 16:377
    >> an April
        Fools joke... dreamt up by Brolin & Swedish TV..
    
    Not really a very funny one for all parties concerned given the situation
    at Elland Road at present! 
    
    			Stretch.
33.2546Watch out, watch out there's a Welshman about...CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback &amp; NastyTue Apr 02 1996 16:557
    >C'mon then Stratto! Defend your flock!
    
    Tafio, 
    
    You are the *last* person who should be making that sort of comment.
    
    Stuart
33.2547?CHEFS::CROSSATree, Tree, Tree Hugger!Tue Apr 02 1996 16:581
    There are reasons for making it *that* easy for you!
33.2548RDGENG::MORRELLI'm just OUTATIME..... Tue Apr 02 1996 17:1413
    > Not really a very funny one for all parties concerned given the
    > situation
    
    	I bet Howard had a good chuckle at that one....
    
    	
    
    
    	NOT!!!!
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2549CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback &amp; NastyTue Apr 02 1996 17:334
    Thanks for the introductory lesson in Welsh, Tafio. From now on, I must
    remember that in Wales, "tree" means sheep and "hugger" means shagger.
    
    Stuart
33.2550VYGER::GAWWThu Apr 11 1996 13:214
    I think Brolin is a great player and to spend 4m on him and then play
    that well known duffer Deane instead is unbelievable! Sack the manager
    before it is too late.
    
33.2551RDGENG::MORRELLI'm just OUTATIME..... Thu Apr 11 1996 14:008
    Well according to the papers.. Wilko is on his way out.. esp. after the
    "retirement" of Lesley Silver due to bad health.
    
    And GG is going to be the next manager... :->
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2552CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback &amp; NastyThu Apr 11 1996 14:058
    Rick,
    
    >And GG is going to be the next manager...
    
    Apparently, Mr Graham is taking Spanish lessons and is widely tipped to
    be the next manager of Real Madrid.
    
    Stuart
33.2553CHEFS::JAMANISThu Apr 11 1996 16:2010
    RE: Last couple
    
    
    Silver will also be selling his shares - 33% -  in the near future.
    
    Hopefully, he will sell them to a Sheik who wants to invest millions
    into Leeds United Football Club !!!!!!
    
    
    Shafiq.
33.2554Wrong Species ??CHEFS::WRAITHCThu Apr 11 1996 16:564
    Sheiks normally fancy camels and goats rather than sheep.
    
    Ma'a Salaamah
    
33.2555CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback &amp; NastyThu Apr 11 1996 17:453
    >Sheiks normally fancy camels and goats rather than sheep.
    
    Well, Brian Deane's future would be secure then!
33.2556XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Apr 30 1996 15:328
At least we didn't bend over and let them score 5 against us
last evening.  Thanks Forest - I hope you can return the favour
to Newcastle come Thursday.  And before I go: fair play to
Keegan telling Fungus where to get off.  If anyone spoke
about MUFC's players like Fungus did about Leeds' there would
probably have been holy murder.

                       James.
33.2557eh?CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Tue Apr 30 1996 16:2120
    James,
    And quite right too! I liked the way he hid his barbs amongst words of
    praise for your mob! A nice balanced view. 
    
    re: Crushed by the Toon army - I think not! As Rick said, the post
    saved you twice, Redebe had three shots in 8 minutes, two on target.
    Deane pulled a fine save out of Shaka. And I think Newcastles goal came 
    against the flow of play. After they did get the goal they took control
    of the game. 
    
    1 - 0 was a little dull as results go (and N'castle need the goals) and
    I was expecting a little bit of a goal fest.   
    
    
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S I would like to see anyone say to S.Pearce or S.Stone's face that they
    rolled over on Sunday! I think they will be looking to spare some
    blushes on Thursday (Frank Clark as Pres regardless!) so beware
    Newcastle.
33.2558Utd sneak it by one point !IB002::BREADIETue Apr 30 1996 18:4721
    I don't think anyone, even Utd supporters, would begrudge Newcastle the
    little bit of luck they had last night. they could have been 2 down
    after 15 minutes, but they were due a break.
    
    
    I can't believe how niave keegan is falling for Fergusson's wind up !
    Of course he will do anything he can to "stimulate" Forrest for
    Thursday - he would be daft not to !
    
    The difference in winning the league may well be down to Fergusson's
    (belated) decision to drop Cole while keegan persists with Asprillo.
    Asprillo is clearly not a happy chappy and neither are his mates. The
    next time Ferdinand passes to him will be the first.
    
    Anyway looking forward to two cracking games on sunday. Utd have twice
    failed on the last day of the season, so 3 points at Boro is far from
    guarenteed whilst Newcastle should beat Spurs. Down to the wire as they
    say !
    
    Sorry for poluting this note by talking about championship potential
    teams.
33.2559RDGENG::MORRELLI'm in a Champagne SuperNova....Wed May 01 1996 21:2917
    From the internet mail :
    
    
    >A mate of mine who lives in london but follows Leeds FAXed me with the
    >following rumour this morning (source unattributed): Wilko & Fergie are
    >lining up a close season deal involving Wetherall and 3 million
    >smackers heading west, and Andy Cole donning the new Packard bell shirt
    >in August! 
    >
    >Rob Heath 
    >Caracas Whites.
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
    
    
33.2560CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Wed May 01 1996 21:4510
    Rick,
    - 1
    Hhmmmmmmmmmmm
    
    BTW small Leeds related thing. Apparently MTV has banned the current
    Manic Street Preachers video because it has footage of Leeds fans
    rioting!
    
    
         			Stretch.
33.2561must be trueFORTY2::JONESNeilThu May 02 1996 12:408
    
    re: Andy "good running off the ball" Cole
    
    Sounds like a reasonable rumour because its not a straight cash deal
    for Andy Cole. Man Utd PLC can shuffle the figures so it doesn't look
    so bad in the accounts. 
    
    Neil
33.2562RDGENG::MORRELLI'm in a Champagne SuperNova....Thu May 02 1996 12:437
    >Leeds fans rioting!
    
    	You sure it wasn't Brighton fans.....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2563What about your lot coming back from Bournemouth 2 years ago?CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Thu May 02 1996 13:586
    The single was released before the Goldstone "celebrations" the other
    week. I have seen the vid but cannot remember seeing the footage of
    this. Oh well.....
    
    
    			Stretch. 
33.2564RDGENG::MORRELLI'm in a Champagne SuperNova....Thu May 02 1996 15:329
    >from Bournemouth 2 years ago?
    
    We weren't at Bournemouth 2 years ago... if you meant in 1989/1990..
    then things did get a little out of hand.. but the police went over the
    top as per usual....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2565Smashing B'mouth/Winchester/any other stop on the way back!!!CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Thu May 02 1996 16:167
    >>then things did get a little out of hand.. but the police went over
    >>the top as per usual....
    
    Hey, nice unbiased view, Rick!
    
    
    			Stretch.
33.2566RDGENG::MORRELLI'm in a Champagne SuperNova....Thu May 02 1996 16:318
    >Hey, nice unbiased view, Rick!
    
    Thanks Stretch.. I always try to keep a balanced view of the football
    world....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2567Interesting!XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri May 03 1996 18:0460
Taken from the ET!

Ferguson should keep his tongue in his pocket.

                     James.

++

Ferguson must apologise 

By Robert Philip 

ALEX Ferguson, I would submit, has some profound apologies to make. 

Kevin Keegan's uncharacteristic verbal assault on his managerial rival
in the aftermath of Newcastle's victory over Leeds on Monday night was
justified. 

Steadfastly reluctant to criticise his own players in public -
Cantona's madness, Keane's bullying, Cole's ineptitude come instantly
to mind - Ferguson had the audacity to humiliate those outside his
employ by describing Leeds as "pathetic" and accusing some team
members of cheating manager Howard Wilkinson with their performances
before their admirable display at Old Trafford a fortnight ago. 

Would Leeds, Ferguson wondered aloud, give the same against Keegan's
team at Elland Road? The answer was an emphatic 'yes'. 

Ferguson also took it upon himself to voice unease over the
forthcoming testimonial game for Nottingham Forest and England
full-back Stuart Pearce in which Newcastle have agreed to provide the
opposition. 

Suddenly a nasty little rumour was doing the rounds suggesting that
for the benefit of Pearce's testimonial fund, Forest, who met
Newcastle last night in the League, would prefer to greet Keegan's
side as champions rather than runners-up. 

"Things which have been said over the past few days are almost
slanderous," countered Keegan, allowing his anger free rein. "He's
gone down a lot in my estimation." 

It is not the first time the Old Trafford manager has displayed
alarming signs of rampant paranoia. When a completely unexpected
defeat at West Ham cost Manchester United the title four seasons ago
(allowing Ferguson's accursed Leeds to win the championship), he was
at his whingeing worst. 

"Even their own manager was at a loss for words to explain their
outstanding performance," wrote Ferguson in his book Six Years At
United. "He apologised to me after the game. He was embarrassed his
team had played like dervishes after being relegated. There is a
certain envy for Manchester United which surfaced at the wrong time
for us . . ." 

Ferguson's most recent unsolicited remarks remind me of the occasion
Kenny Dalglish, overhearing his fellow-Scot being interviewed
following a particularly acrimonious Liverpool-United game at Anfield,
advised the reporter: "You might as well talk to my wean [baby
daughter]. You'll get more sense out of her." 
33.2568I think he has chosen quotes very selectively there.CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Fri May 03 1996 18:2114
    James,
    And the man gets paid how much for his writing 'skills'?
    
    BUT
    I do agree (Christ, twice in one day!) that the word Cheat, or
    variations of, was ill used, but it is all part of the 'Beautiful game'
    now. Psychological advantages count as much as the goals at this stage
    of the run in, especially when it is this close. KK blew it big time. I
    can understand his rage, but the time to vent his spleen was when the
    season ended.
    
    
    
    			Stretch.
33.2569A short defense of Mr. Ferguson.XSTACY::PHAYDENFri May 03 1996 18:4932
Really James,

It is naive of you to even suggest that Ferguson's comments 
were anything short of the truth.
All one has to do is read this notes file on a daily basis to 
understand that the only people who would be happy to see United 
win the League are United fans.
It would therefore not be unfeasible to suggest that the majority 
of English players view the situation in much the same way !
After all, Blackburn are the reigning champions, yet the kudos bestowed 
upon the victors pales in comparison to beatification of every player involved 
in giving Man U a thrashing.

Is it not fair to point out the SAD fact that a team of expensive professionals
lift their game ( above the mundane norm )when the  motivation is victory 
over the almighty red-devils. 
Is only giving of your best when it suits you not cheating both your fans 
and manager ? Are these players not paid to give their all, week in 
week out, regardless of the opposition ?
Is there less motivation to chase a win when you're tired after a long season , 
maybe one-nil down and you know that the only consequence of losing is that 
the opposition are going to get the upper hand over your arch enemy ?
If players are dishonest enough to lift their game ,could they by the same logic,
not be dishonest enough( maybe subconsciously ) to be ambivalent about their game ?

I remember Kevin Keegan ,in an interview last season, commenting on how he wanted
Newcastle to be as "hated" as Man.U in the 90's and Liverpool of the 70's and 80's.
Why ? Because it means you've been successful and other teams are jealous.

Wake up and smell the coffee Mr. Keegan. It's tough being the best !

Peter( An Impartial Celt)
33.2570CHEFS::COOPERT1So many students..so few bulletsFri May 03 1996 18:4911
    >It is not the first time the Old Trafford manager has displayed
    >alarming signs of rampant paranoia. When a completely unexpected
    >defeat at West Ham cost Manchester United the title four seasons ago
    >etc.
    
    I don't actually think it's paranoia, I think it's more like calculated
    mind games that have driven K.K. into a corner with a bucket over his
    head saying "wibble".
    
    
    CHARLEY
33.2571RDGENG::MORRELLThe sun's goin' shine on everything you do..Fri May 10 1996 13:2013
    
    Well it looks like we are going to have Richard Thompson, the ex-QPR
    chairman, take over at Leeds in the near future after he resigned from
    QPR & placed the club on the market....
    
    Going on his track record at QPR, things don't look too hopeful...
    
    Lets hope he's going to put a lot of money in.... but I doubt it.
                                                                     
        Cheers,
    
            Rick.
    
33.2572IRNBRU::HOWARDLovely Day for a GuinnessFri May 10 1996 13:237
    Rick,
    
    You're quite welcome to him....good riddance!...of course you realise
    now that this will mean Endsleigh football for Leeds in the
    not-too-distant future, don't you?...
    
    Ray....
33.2573RDGENG::MORRELLThe sun's goin' shine on everything you do..Fri May 10 1996 13:3413
33.2574Get ye down with the Bolton !!!!!CHEFS::RUTHERFORDII've been seen with FABIO !!!Fri May 10 1996 14:427
    Rick,
    
    	You're playing Endsleigh football already..........you're just in
    the wrong league at the moment !!!
    
    
    	Words of Wisdom.
33.2575very good !!!!CHEFS::JAMESPFri May 10 1996 15:052
    RE;1
    
33.2576S you're getting Rushie then....CHEFS::RUTHERFORDII've been seen with FABIO !!!Mon May 20 1996 16:2312
    Hey Rick,
    
    	Did you see that thing on George Best last night ?? You would have
    seen that the mistake you made in selling Cantona wasn't the first of
    it's kind. Apparently the Leeds scout went along to watch a 15 yr old
    George Best and left after 15 minutes saying that the kid would never
    make a footballer. 
    
    Nothing changes, eh !!!
    
    
    	Ian.
33.2577Beer and Best night....IRNBRU::HOWARDLovely Day for a GuinnessMon May 20 1996 17:145
    .2576
    Lads, I've recorded the whole show and I plan to watch it tonight, so
    don't spoil the ending....
    
    Ray....
33.2578And then he.......... And she said............. Brilliant!CHEFS::CROSSAMake mine a double double!!!Mon May 20 1996 19:025
    Well I thought the best bit was.............!
    
    
    
         			Stretch.
33.2579Is that correct ?RTOEU::RDELANEYHeart of gold,nob of butterTue May 21 1996 12:474
    CNN reported last night that Ian Rush has gone on a free-transfer to
    Leeds......
    
    - Robin
33.2580Quite correctCHEFS::BUSSONGTue May 21 1996 12:493
    Yes, he signed a two year contract with Leeds.
    
    Graham
33.2581dragging the bottom of the barrelFORTY2::JONESNeilTue May 21 1996 15:054
    
    Q. Where can you find the two fastest Welsh sheep?
    
    A. Leeds (speed and rush)
33.2582CHEFS::BUSSONGTue May 21 1996 15:213
    That comes in at somewhere between poor and dreadful I'm afraid! ;-}
    
    Graham
33.2583Out to Grass...CHEFS::JAMESPTue May 21 1996 16:326
    
    I don't understand Leeds signing Rushy, yes he was a great 
    player in his prime... but now??... and a 2 year contract.. 
    shades of Mr O'Leary one thinks.
    
    Pj
33.2584RDGENG::MORRELLAnd it's ironic.. don't you think... Wed Jun 19 1996 15:218
    According to Swedish newspapers today Sampdoria is finalizing
    negotiations with  Tubbys' agent and Leeds U. officials. It's likely
    he'll go there seing they've got a Swedish manager (S-G Eriksson) who's
    always liked Brolin.
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2585RDGENG::MORRELLNow, the parties over.... and I'm so tired...Tue Jul 23 1996 15:256
    According to various reports, Gary MacAllister is joining Coventry fro
    3 million...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2586CHEFS::EDWARDSDTue Jul 23 1996 15:352
    Oooh Rick, typing that in must have hurt.  Another piece of wizadry in
    the transfer market by the madman eh ?
33.2587RDGENG::MORRELLNow, the parties over.... and I'm so tired...Tue Jul 23 1996 15:3812
33.2588RDGENG::MORRELLNow, the parties over.... and I'm so tired...Tue Jul 23 1996 16:0813
    I'd love to know what the fluff is going on at Elland Road... why the
    hell they have let Gary go I will never know.... maybe we're lining up
    someone else for the midfield.... God only knows....
    
    At this rate we'll be lucky to escape relegation.....
    
    GG in.. HW out....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
    
    
33.2589That only leaves your new goalie!!!CHEFS::CROSSARoadrunner,Roadrunner!Got my radio on!Wed Aug 07 1996 18:0712
    Not good news for you Rick.
    
    
    Off IRN.......
    
    Leeds are expecting to be without striker Tony Yeboah for the start 
    of the new Premiership season.  
          
    The 30-year-old Ghanaian international broke down in a pre-season 
    friendly in Germany last week and is to see a top knee specialist 
    tomorrow. 
    
33.2590RDGENG::MORRELLNow, the parties over.... and I'm so tired...Wed Aug 07 1996 20:0013
    Yep... its supposed to be a pretty bad injury which could end his
    career...
    
    Well we always have Brian Deane...
    
    
    
    
    Nationwide League here we come....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2591IOSG::STANDAGEMy hovercraft is full of eelsThu Aug 08 1996 14:167
    
    So Rick, do you *really* think the gap between Leeds and MU by the end
    of the season will be less than 20 points?
    
    -Kevin.
    
    
33.2592CHEFS::CROSSARoadrunner,Roadrunner!Got my radio on!Thu Aug 08 1996 14:176
    The other night he said Utd were going to get relegated!!! Strangely no
    money was put on that.
    
    
    
                       Stretch.
33.2593RDGENG::MORRELLNow, the parties over.... and I'm so tired...Thu Aug 08 1996 15:5314
    Well there are rumours going around that there is going to be a
    transfer deal between Leeds & ManU in the next few days...
    
    It was interesting that Gary Kelly didn't play for Leeds last night..
    Maybe there's a connection.... I don't know...
    
    The rumour is that we are going to sign Lee Sharp.
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
    
    
    
33.2594PS - That's not his name on the front - Sharpe!CHEFS::CROSSARoadrunner,Roadrunner!Got my radio on!Thu Aug 08 1996 16:076
    Why would Utd want the "Own Goal Kid"? (or "Lowest headerer of the ball on
    the face of the planet"!)
    
    
    
    			Stretch.
33.2595Not looking too good is it Rick.CHEFS::CROSSANuns! Reverse! Reverse! Fri Aug 09 1996 16:299
    Off IRN....
    
         Leeds United striker Tony Yeboah will miss the start of the 
         Premiership campaign. 
          
         Yeboah's facing an exploratory knee operation after struggling in 
         pre-season. 
          
         Leeds won't say how long Yeboah's going to be out for.
33.2596RDGENG::MORRELLLeeds United : Virtual F.A. Cup Winners 1997Fri Aug 09 1996 16:539
    >Leeds won't say how long Yeboah's going to be out for.
    
    Well the word on the street says that he might be out for 6 months...
    
    So is Mr. Cole still available??
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2597You've still got Carlton though!!!!CHEFS::CROSSANuns! Reverse! Reverse! Fri Aug 09 1996 17:207
33.2598RDGENG::MORRELLLeeds United : Virtual F.A. Cup Winners 1997Sun Aug 11 1996 14:2316
    Leeds have just signed Lee Sharpe from Man Utd for 4 million quid...
    he'll probably play him as a wing back... thought knowing some of the
    crazy positions he played players in the past he's probably signed him
    as a goalkeeper.
     
    Looks like it could be a good signing by Wilko... it certainly makes a
    change from the second class players he's used to signing from the
    Sheffield United/Wednesday reserves.
    
    There are also strong rumours that we are going to sign Sinclair from
    QPR for 6 million... now he would be a good signing and looks like a
    definate replacement for Macca....
    
    Cheers,                                               
    
    	Rick.
33.2599RDGENG::MORRELLLeeds United : Virtual F.A. Cup Winners 1997Mon Aug 12 1996 12:479
    
    Rumours on the Leeds list say that David Beckham was also a Leeds with
    Lee Sharp to talk about a move. I'd liek to see David Beckham join
    Leeds I think he's an excellent player.. definately one for the future.
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
    
33.2600!CHEFS::CROSSANuns! Reverse! Reverse! Mon Aug 12 1996 19:2510
    Rick,
    
    Can you thank Wilko for covering the cost of buying Poborsky + Cruyff
    for the same dosh you paid for Sharpe! 
    
    Re: Beckham - I do hope you are wrong on this one.
    
    
    
    			Stretch.
33.2601Not as Sharp as he used to beESSB::BLONGA Hat Trick of Premierships 93'94'&amp;96Tue Aug 13 1996 16:247
4 million for Sharpe is a great deal for United. It covers the cost of Poborsky
and Cryuff who are both current internationals. Sharpe is not the player he was.
Wilko is quoted as saying he has bought him to run at defences, but he hasn't
gone past a defender in about 3 seasons. A great crosser of the ball, but I 
believe United are going to come out on top in a transfer with Leeds once again.


33.2602Fantasy time in the Internet TimesGIDDAY::PARSONSSys &amp; Net Mgt on WNT SupportFri Aug 16 1996 07:4814
    
    Well Leeds achieved what will probably be their high point of the
    season today when the Internet Times placed them 4th in their
    prediction for the final league table.  Top 3 were Man Utd, Liverpool
    and Villa.  Newcastle were 5th.
    
    I'd have placed Leeds 10 places lower, and Chelsea who were 11th about
    6 places higher.
    
    Still with no McAllister and no Yeboah for now I'm sure Mr Wilkinson
    will come up with something ... probably a resignation in mid October
    when Leeds drop into the bottom 3.
    
    :-(
33.2603I hope not.....RDGENG::MORRELLStrange things are afoot at the Circle-KTue Aug 20 1996 18:076
    Well I've just got my ticket for the Leeds vs ManU game.... I wonder if
    it will be 3rd time lucky for ManU at Elland Road.... :->
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2604Not as unhappy as the fans though, eh Rick?CHEFS::CROSSANuns! Reverse! Reverse! Wed Aug 21 1996 19:518
    Off IRN.....
    
    
         Tomas Brolin is set to end his unhappy stay at Leeds by moving on 
         loan to Swiss club FC Zurich. 
          
         The Swedish international has spent nine unhappy months at Elland 
         Road since his four and a half million Pound move from Parma. 
33.2605ZUR01::ASHGGrahame Ash @RLEThu Aug 22 1996 15:134
The paper here said that Brolin never really fitted into with Leeds' kick and 
rush style! Maybe that's why McAllister went as well?

grahame
33.2606RDGENG::MORRELLStrange things are afoot at the Circle-KThu Aug 22 1996 20:578
    >Maybe that's why McAllister went as well?
    
    Hmm... well he put up with about 5-6 years of it so I guess he didn't
    find it too bad.
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2607RDGENG::MORRELLStrange things are afoot at the Circle-KTue Aug 27 1996 12:399
    Leeds 1 - Wimbledon 0
    
    Sharpe.
    
    Excellent goal.. crap match... need I say more?
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2608What a waste of an hour and a half!!!CHEFS::CROSSANuns! Reverse! Reverse! Tue Aug 27 1996 16:1210
    Well you could try to explain your crowds "supportative" attitude to the
    youngsters during the first half! Other than that I agree with you on
    your review 100%. 
    
    
    
    			Stretch.
    
    
    How old is your strike partner team at the moment....about the mid 60's!
33.2609RDGENG::MORRELLStrange things are afoot at the Circle-KThu Sep 05 1996 12:5112
    RHI that we are after Paul Mince of Inter....
    
    Things have reached a new low at Elland Road..... though our win last
    night was most welcome.... Harte poping up to score in the 39th minutes
    from a header.... what an excellent week he's had.. scoring 1 goal &
    creating 2 other goals for Ireland....  and then scoring for Leeds.
    
    Leeds are now 6th in the league.. one place above Scumchester...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2610CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Sep 05 1996 13:227
    >Things have reached a new low at Elland Road
    
    ?!?! Eh ?  You've just had a good away win, your kids are coming
    through well and you've been linked with one of the best midfielders in
    Europe.  You ok this morning Rick ?  Perhaps your reply was intended
    for this coming Monday after your team is humiliated by the
    all-conquering (or should that be all-drawing) Man Utd.
33.2611Moan.. Moan.. Moan.. Moan..RDGENG::MORRELLStrange things are afoot at the Circle-KThu Sep 05 1996 13:249
    >Things have reached a new low at Elland Road
    
    Signing Paul Ince would be another low point....
    
    He was almost as hated as Mark Hughes...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2612So much for saying that the CHampions League was top priority...VARESE::TRNUX1::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Thu Sep 05 1996 13:269
    >Perhaps your reply was intended for this coming Monday after your team is 
    >humiliated by the all-conquering (or should that be all-drawing) Man Utd.  
    
    Whaat? Dave, you're not going to tell me that ManU have a match against
    Leeds (x3) 48 hours before taking on Juventus? I'm travelling to the
    game with no less than 5 extremely cocky Juventus fans...tell me it's
    not true!
    
    Dom
33.2613RDGENG::MORRELLStrange things are afoot at the Circle-KThu Sep 05 1996 13:367
    Yep.. they play Leeds on Saturday.... :->
    
    Another easy win for Leeds.... :->
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2614CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Sep 05 1996 13:514
    Dom,
    
    I was implying that his note would have been entered on the Monday. 
    The game is on Saturday.  Sorry for the confusion !
33.2615It's time to go... it's time to go...RDGENG::MORRELLStrange things are afoot at the Circle-KMon Sep 09 1996 13:1717
    Hmm.... what a result.....

    Leeds were crap.. Scumchester were quite good but I really don't know
    how they will get on in the Champions League.

    Our first real shot on goal which made Schmiechel work was in the 89th
    minute.... I can't remember a real shot before that... 

    The best bit of the whole match for the Leeds fans was when Eric missed
    his penalty... we were dancing up & down in our seats.. you'd think
    we'd just won the European Cup... 

    I'd give HW another 2-3 matches... and then he's out... 

    Cheers,

    	Rick.
33.2616Wilko.. its time to go...RDGENG::MORRELLStrange things are afoot at the Circle-KMon Sep 09 1996 13:219
    Dave....
    
    I was picturing you grinning like Tony Blair over the weekend... Hmmm..
    exactly like the Tony Blair with daemon eyes they've created in the
    Tory adverts... 
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2617RDGENG::MORRELLStrange things are afoot at the Circle-KMon Sep 09 1996 17:105
    Wilko has just been sacked....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2618Just heard on the grapevineCHEFS::KRISMAN_PSingle tasking - on a good day!Mon Sep 09 1996 17:102
    I've just heard that Wilkinson has been given the boot - George Graham
    to come in ! 
33.2619RDGENG::MORRELLStrange things are afoot at the Circle-KMon Sep 09 1996 17:117
    Hurray... Hurray....
    
    The crowd is rejoicing... :->>>
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2620Outclassed by the championsCHEFS::EDWARDSDMon Sep 09 1996 20:0116
>    Dave....
>    
>    I was picturing you grinning like Tony Blair over the weekend... Hmmm..
>    exactly like the Tony Blair with daemon eyes they've created in the
>    Tory adverts... 
>    
>    Cheers,
>    
>    	Rick.
    
    Nice to know you're thinking of me Rick !  Bit of a walkover really
    and I think it emphasised the different directions/ambitions of the 2
    clubs since the 91/92 season.  The only downer is the news that the
    result has finally got rid of the Madman - bloody shame if you ask me.
    
    
33.2621RDGENG::MORRELLStrange things are afoot at the Circle-KMon Sep 09 1996 21:3515
    >has finally got rid of the Madman
    
    Yep... the ManU fans were singing for him to stay..... :->
    
    They we're also singing...
    
    	"Wilko.. Wilko... give us a wave... "
    
    Excellent stuff.. :->
    
    I'm not repeating what we were shouting at Poborsky.... & Cantona...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick
33.2622WSTENG::SYS_132894Tue Sep 10 1996 03:3812
    
    
    re .2615
    
    "...when Eric missed his penalty. we were dancing up & down in our
     seats..."
    
    I thought the best bit was when Cantona scored, he walked off the pitch
    and just stood with his arms out milking it like an arrogant b*****d.
    The Leeds fans behind the goal were going ape.
    
    Danny.
33.2623RDGENG::MORRELLStrange things are afoot at the Circle-KTue Sep 10 1996 13:087
    >The Leeds fans behind the goal were going ape.
    
    Yep.. we sure were.... :->>>
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2624CHEFS::EDWARDSDTue Sep 10 1996 21:142
    According to IRN, GG is the new leader of the flock.  
    
33.2625"Man who tends sheep"CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJDo you feel licky, punk?Tue Sep 10 1996 21:476
    
    GG is indeed confirmed as the new shepherd - the old boy network
    strikes again.
    
    j.
    
33.2626XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Wed Sep 18 1996 21:045
33.2627Coca-Cola Cup scoreline for those who missed itMOVIES::PLAYFORDKevin @ EDO-13 [DTN:824-3394]Thu Sep 19 1996 19:534
33.2628RDGENG::MORRELLStrange things are afoot at the Circle-KThu Sep 19 1996 20:503
33.2629There's only one Carlton Palmer.. (thank God!)RDGENG::MORRELLWell its not Carlton Palmer then....Mon Sep 23 1996 16:0610
33.2630Rick is a Red - official !CHEFS::EDWARDSDMon Sep 23 1996 17:465
33.2631Or any Leeds player come to think of it..CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJDo you feel licky, punk?Mon Sep 23 1996 18:1810
33.2632RDGENG::MORRELLWell its not Carlton Palmer then....Mon Sep 23 1996 18:3512
33.2633CHEFS::EDWARDSDMon Sep 23 1996 19:0414
33.2634RDGENG::MORRELLWell its not Carlton Palmer then....Mon Sep 23 1996 20:137
33.2635News for you Yorkshire footy afficionadosZUR01::ASHGGrahame Ash @RLEThu Oct 03 1996 15:1110
33.2636RDGENG::MORRELLWell its not Carlton Palmer then....Thu Oct 03 1996 15:337
33.2637Not a rolling success so farZUR01::ASHGGrahame Ash @RLEThu Oct 03 1996 15:4211
33.2638RDGENG::MORRELLWell its not Carlton Palmer then....Thu Oct 03 1996 15:479
33.2639ZUR01::ASHGGrahame Ash @RLEThu Oct 03 1996 16:567
33.2640Brolin slinks out of SwitzerlandZUR01::ASHGGrahame Ash @RLEFri Oct 11 1996 15:1010
33.2641HmmmmXSTACY::PHAYDENFri Oct 11 1996 15:326
33.2642RDGENG::MORRELLWell its not Carlton Palmer then....Fri Oct 11 1996 15:538
33.2643Yawn...ZUR01::ASHGGrahame Ash @RLEMon Oct 14 1996 15:166
33.2644RDGENG::MORRELLWell its not Carlton Palmer then....Mon Oct 14 1996 17:3210
33.2645It's the relegation dogfight, not Euro-gloryZUR01::ASHGGrahame Ash @RLEMon Oct 14 1996 17:4610
33.2646XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Mon Oct 14 1996 20:497
33.2647FAREWELL ALL!XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Sat Oct 26 1996 00:3414
33.2648Rush offski!CHEFS::CROSSADrop The Drunk DonkeyThu Nov 07 1996 15:0214
33.2649New recruit?PCBUOA::akodhcp176-12.ako.dec.com::aldermanPCBUOA::ALDERMANWed Nov 27 1996 00:3536
33.2650CHEFS::JAMANISMon Dec 02 1996 16:1314
33.2651Memories of Norman HunterMILE::JENKINSMon Dec 02 1996 18:578
33.2652RDGENG::MORRELLSurf Dudes with Attitude.Mon Dec 02 1996 19:0712
33.2653I only heard who scored the goals...VARESE::TRNUX1::IDC_BSTRMon Dec 02 1996 19:323
33.2654Football - the beautiful gameMILE::JENKINSTue Dec 03 1996 16:0834
33.2655Chopper Harris v Norman "Bites Yer Legs" Hunter...no holds barredVARESE::TRNUX1::IDC_BSTRTue Dec 03 1996 16:2116
33.2656Match Report from The TimesMILE::JENKINSTue Dec 03 1996 17:54118
33.2657CHEFS::CROSSAAs Bob is my witless!Fri Dec 06 1996 17:249
33.2658I am *not* making this up!CHEFS::CROSSAAs Bob is my witless!Wed Jan 22 1997 19:2110
33.2659this is getting dangerous...PATE::POUNDERWed Jan 22 1997 20:494
33.2660CHEFS::CROSSAAs Bob is my witless!Wed Jan 22 1997 20:505
33.2661Fine the naughty chappie!!!CHEFS::CROSSAAs Bob is my witless!Wed Jan 22 1997 20:5620
33.2662RDGENG::MORRELLThu Jan 23 1997 12:0710
33.2663We are Leeds, we are Leeds, we are LeedsNETRIX::&quot;jlundon@dsc001.reo.dec.com&quot;James A. LundonWed Feb 05 1997 12:559
Just a note to say that I think Leeds' win last night at the Arse is the best
we've had in the cup since we won it in 1972.  I can see the twin towers
on the horizon :-).  The competition is wide open now.  I don't think Chelsea
are going to win it, which opens the way even more for teams like Leeds
and Wimbledon to come though and do it.  And to make the night complete,
MUFC losing was just perfect.

James (not quite gone but certainly forgotten?).
[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]
33.2664Sea, sea, seasiders....CHEFS::WILLIAMSAI wanna be LukeWed Feb 05 1997 13:235
    Don't buy your ticket for the trip dahn sauf, just yet my northern
    fellow. You still have to do dispose of the mighty (hahahahahahaha)
    Portsmouth yet...
    
    Alen.
33.2665"Where were you when you were sh*t?"CHEFS::CROSSAIt ain't loud enough, punk!Wed Feb 05 1997 13:4313
    James,
    
    "You only note when you're winning!"
    
    
    Alen,
    
    After watching the spawny toads (X3) get a jammy win over the equally
    'mighty' Reading last year, I wouldn't count my chickens!! 
    
    
    
    				Stretch.
33.2666The FA Cup is ours!!!!RDGENG::MORRELLWed Feb 05 1997 13:465
    Where is Stuart when you need him!!! :->
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2667XSTACY::ulrika.ilo.dec.com::PHAYDENNeoMaxiZoonDweebiWed Feb 05 1997 14:074
>    
>    "You only note when you're winning!"

Which isn't very often thank god !
33.2668You was whipped!CHEFS::WILLIAMSAI wanna be LukeWed Feb 05 1997 14:3412
    Re .2665
    
    3-0 is not spawny!   1-0 is, or even 2-1, but 3-0 is an emphatic
    stuffing!
    
    As for Leeds, well Portsmouth have a reasonably good record of getting
    draws away against 'bigger' teams in cup competitons. Only thing is we
    normally loose to them when we get them back to Fratton Park!
    
    When is Anthony Yer-bo-ahhhhhhhhh (sp?) likely to be back?
    
    Alen.
33.2669And you was lucky!CHEFS::CROSSAIt ain't loud enough, punk!Wed Feb 05 1997 15:129
    Alen,
    
    I was refering to Leeds (X3) as the spawny ones, and there ability to
    get 'Jammy' wins.
    
    
    
    
    			Stretch.
33.2670RDGENG::MORRELLWed Feb 05 1997 15:168
    >and there ability to get 'Jammy' wins.
    
    We never get "jammy" wins.... its all done through hard work &
    determination.. :->
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2671I see a pattern emerging......CHEFS::CROSSAIt ain't loud enough, punk!Wed Feb 05 1997 15:197
    If proof were needed of your "jamminess" just take a look at the
    Leeds old boys club (Coventry) and their result last night!
    
    
    
    
    				Stretch.
33.2672Toothless TigerCHEFS::16.37.8.20::MadThis is Mutiny !!, Mr Christian.Fri Feb 07 1997 16:2222
Hot from IRN


>Tony Yeboah is hopeful of making a first-team comeback in the FA Cup 
>against Portsmouth next weekend.
>The Ghanian striker scored for the reserves against Liverpool last 
>night.
>Yeboah says he feels fit and intends to play another reserve game 
>next Wednesday.


I thought that the manager decided who played ?, And also I didn't think that 
GG thought that much of him anyway. Couple of wonder goals doesn't make a 
consistent player


8-<

Cheers

Mad

33.2673More......CHEFS::16.37.8.20::MadThis is Mutiny !!, Mr Christian.Fri Feb 07 1997 16:239
Also off IRN

     Leeds defender Paul Beesley is expected to become Manchester City's 
     latest signing following a medical at Maine Road.

     City boss Frank Clark has agreed a deal with the Yorkshire club for 
     the 31-year-old centre-half, with the fee yet to be disclosed.

Mad
33.2674We'll take 'em anyways!CHEFS::WILLIAMSAI wanna be LukeFri Feb 07 1997 16:445
    re .-2 
    
    Oh bloody brilliant, why can't he wait another week or three?
    
    Alen.
33.2675You're very quiet today, Rick.CHEFS::CROSSAIt ain't loud enough, punk!Mon Feb 17 1997 17:2710
    Rick
    
    Well, having the, apparently, injured Bowyer score two goals (one at
    about the 96th minute) for you did nothing to prevent a great result
    for Pompey. Fair play to them - and it's not often you're going to see
    me write that!!
    
    
    
         			Stretch.
33.2676REOELF::EDWARDSSMon Feb 17 1997 17:597
    Even my life-long Leeds fan of a father didn't begrudge Pompey this
    victory.
    
    Or that was his excuse anyway.
    
    Tony
    
33.2677Well done Pompey....RDGENG::MORRELLSlip Away....Tue Feb 18 1997 13:3211
    >Even my life-long Leeds fan of a father didn't begrudge Pompey this
    >victory.

    	Yep... I have to go along with that... Leeds were terrible, the
    pitch was more like Fareham beach... and the referee was abysmal....

    	Good luck to Pompey in the next round...

    	Cheers,

    	Rick.
33.2678REOELF::EDWARDSSTue Feb 18 1997 14:024
    Un-grit your teeth Rick, your jaw will cramp.
    
    Tony
    
33.2679RDGENG::MORRELLSlip Away....Tue Feb 18 1997 17:5111
    >Un-grit your teeth Rick, your jaw will cramp.
    
    Pompey definately deserved to win... when you've got a team of 11
    players on the pitch but only 2 ( Martyn and Molenaar ) are actually
    playing football then you're never going to win... 
    
    I just can't wait to get rid of Carlton Palmer... 
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick
33.2680REOELF::EDWARDSSTue Feb 18 1997 17:547
    > I just can't wait to get rid of Carlton Palmer...
    
    Take note everyone just in case young Carlton kaks it in mysterious
    circumstances.
    
    Tony
    
33.2681RDGENG::MORRELLSlip Away....Tue Feb 18 1997 18:078
    > young Carlton kaks it in mysterious circumstances.
    
    Well he's doing that by himself.... he's been in trouble with the
    police more times than I've had hot dinners over the last few weeks... 
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2682Don't do that again....CHEFS::JAMESPTue Feb 18 1997 18:545
    
    Yep its good to see GG installing the same disipline that was so 
    apparent during his days at Arsenal.
    
    Pj
33.2683RDGENG::MORRELLSlip Away....Wed Mar 19 1997 13:0412
    Anyone want to buy Carlton Palmer..... since he's handed in a transfer
    request...
    
    
    
    
    PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
33.2684go on the rotherhamIRNBRU::GIBBONSWed Mar 19 1997 16:1942
Saw a new advert for cell phones this week.
Lonely man wandering round New York
Talking to wife back home in Leeds.

Please you cant do this to me

No not when I'm so far away

Sorry dear but























Leeds 0   Rotherham 3

Out the cup to Rotherham !



Guess the writer of this advert is neither a Leeds or George Graham fan.


Danny.
33.2685LINGO::FOWLERMWed Mar 19 1997 17:036
    There's a rumour amongst Villa circles that the two clubs are plotting
    some kind of swap deal involving Sasa Curcic and Tony Yeboah. Hurray,
    another player who manages to drag himself onto the pitch once in a
    blue moon. Can we have Lee Sharpe as well?
    
    Mike
33.2686RDGENG::MORRELLSlip Away....Wed Mar 19 1997 18:483
    >Can we have Lee Sharpe as well?
    
    Nope.. but you can have Carlton Palmer.... 
33.2687Shi* and he knows he is!!VYGER::ALEXANDERMMARK ALEXANDERMon Mar 31 1997 18:547
    Just thought I would inform all Leeds fans the following, Derek Lilley
    is shi*.  He looks good in a shi* league, against shi* opposition, and
    when he does play against any half decent opposition, he is shi*.
    
    Bit cynical but I thought you should know!
    
    Mark.
33.2688Is it the end of Carlton P ?CHEFS::16.37.8.210::MadAre you suggesting coconuts migrate ?Fri Apr 04 1997 17:2813
Off IRN



Despite newspaper speculation, Leeds manager George Graham has deniedmaking an 
approach for Tranmere's highly-rated 19-year-old midfielder, Alan Mahon. 

Graham and his assistant manager David O'Leary have watched Mahon, who hashad a 
4 million pound price tag slapped on him by the 1st division outfit. 



Mad
33.2689You don't deserve Europe with performances like that!!!CHEFS::CROSSAIt ain't loud enough, punk!Tue Apr 08 1997 13:0112
    Ah, the Premiership...fast.....exciting.....flowing....skilful.....a
    joy to behold certain games....plenty of action and enthusiasm from
    teams and supporters 
    
    
    and then you get a "display" like that! 
    
    
    
    				Stretch.
    
    PS - Palmer would have improved things and that just about sums it up!
33.2690IRNBRU::HOWARDShower me with sugar lumpsTue Apr 08 1997 13:114
    I wondered why Radio5Live kept giving us the latest non-league scores
    at 30 second intervals....
    
    Ray....
33.2691debut game ?IRNBRU::GIBBONSThu Apr 24 1997 17:578
Saw a report on the leeds/forrest game that mentioned Derek Lilley putting the
ball in the net, but ruled out for offside. Was this his Leeds debut and did he
start or come on as sub ? Did he make an impression in the premiership ?

Have to be honest, I did not expect to see his name on the Leeds team sheets so
soon. 

Danny.
33.2692Hello George .. only me !!!CHEFS::JAMESPTue May 13 1997 14:0710
    
    
    I see in the paper that Thomas Brolin is being released by Parma, did
    Leeds sell him or loan him ???.
    
    if they loaned him he aint gonna be a happy bunny ????
    
    Cheers
    
    Pj
33.2693Can Graham spell "a t t a c k"MILE::JENKINSWed May 14 1997 16:3510
33.2694Leeds for the easy life BEORN::BREADIEWed May 14 1997 17:118
    aye but he is an attacking full back !>*
    
    Graham must be chuffed with Robertson remarks in the Scottish press
    about he felt the pressure was too high on Rangers to win the league
    each year, so he joined Leeds
    
    regards
    D
33.2695he needs a link manIRNBRU::GIBBONSWed May 14 1997 17:263
Graham has already bought a striker. What he does not have is somone to help get
the ball to the forwards.
Danny.
33.2696what about the MAIN manCHEFS::16.43.128.64::Madyou poor mis-guided foolsFri May 16 1997 17:098
>Graham has already bought a striker. What he does not have is somone to help 
>get the ball to the forwards.
>Danny.

what about Carlton ?

Mad

33.2697I don't think the defence is the problem George.CHEFS::CROSSAPunks jump up to get beat downThu May 29 1997 20:3423
    Off IRN.....
    
    
           Leeds striker Brian Deane looks set to leave
           Elland Road as George Graham continues to
           concentrate on strengthening his defence. 
    
           Deane's chances to find the net have been limited
           as the former Arsenal boss made shoring up the
           back line his priority to ensure Leeds'
           Premiership survival. 
    
           The 29-year-old, who's out of contract, has been
           linked with a move to Middlesbrough. 
    
    
    
    What a wise move considering Leeds were the lowest scorers in all four
    divisions!!!!! 
    
    I'm not too sure that Brian Deane can fill Ravenellis boots
    either.