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Title: Soccer Football Conference
Notice:Don't forget your season ticket.....
Moderator:MOVIES::PLAYFORD
Created:Thu Aug 08 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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38.0. "Reading FC" by GALVIA::SPAIN (New personal name wanted) Thu Aug 08 1991 17:35

    
    This is the Reading topic.
    
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38.1DUCK::TRINDERSFri Aug 09 1991 16:348
38.2Remember Ann ??FORTY2::ROBERTSONThat's Me in the Corner !!Wed Aug 14 1991 16:278
I saw Ann Newbery on Sunday. She was watching my team in a friendly match.
She asked me to say hi to everyone in the Reading File. She still watches The
Royals, and is hoping to move into football as a career.

Anyone have any news on transfers over the summer. I read last week that Martin 
Hicks was finally on the move. Any replacement?

Al
38.3INS AND OUTSCRISPY::ROSECThu Aug 15 1991 12:520
38.4INS AND OUTSCRISPY::ROSECThu Aug 15 1991 17:1911
    Moran has joined Exeter on a free.
    Conroy has joined Burnley for 35k.
    Hicks is playing/training with Birmingham.
    
    Neale Copper came on a free from Rangers.
    Kevin Dillon (ex Portsmouth and Newcastle) is on a months contract.
    
    Other than that, roll on Saturday.
    
    Chris
    
38.5DUCK::TRINDERSThu Aug 15 1991 19:259
38.6basset backDOOZER::OPERATORThu Aug 15 1991 20:302
    I heard that ANNIE (FRED)BASSET has rejoined the backroom staff.....
    is this true .......
38.7Does he want a new left back??SUBURB::ABSOLOMTThere are only 2 SUBURBiansFri Aug 16 1991 16:274
    Ian Branfoot has just offered the Royals 400 big ones for Michael
    Gilkes. Reading have turned it down saying they want at least 500.
    
    Tony
38.8DUCK::TRINDERSMon Aug 19 1991 14:328
38.9There's always oneLARVAE::HUTCHINGS_PMon Aug 19 1991 17:146
    A:
       Never...???
    
    Q:  When was the last time that reading won..??
    
    :-) :-) :-)  x  1000"s....!!
38.10LARVAE::MUNSON_PJapan is special for that....Mon Aug 19 1991 17:154
38.11My God! We've got a midfieldDUCK::TRINDERSMon Aug 19 1991 17:5130
38.12UNLUCKY DUCK::ROSECMon Aug 19 1991 18:269
    I must totally agree with Simon.
    Reading played some good stuff, but the referee/linesmen/Hull/fortunes
    were never on Reading's side.
    The ball was played on the deck - and Reading deserved to win.
    I would be surprised if Reading did not finish in the top six.
    Cambridge away on Wednesday (Rumbelows Cup) - tough game, but the
    Royals could do well here.
    
    Chris (another optimist)
38.13SUBURB::ABSOLOMTThere are only 2 SUBURBiansMon Aug 19 1991 18:583
    When is Reading's first midweek game at home???
    
    Tony
38.14CRISPY::TRINDERSMon Aug 19 1991 19:355
38.15Ah what a midfield they could have had!AIMTEC::WICKS_AAtlanta's Most Infamous WelshmanTue Aug 20 1991 00:3420
    Re .11,
    
    Simon,
    
    Surely given Dillon's pedigree you can't be surprised at his style of
    play?? after all he did play in the infamous Portsmouth side that
    featured in that now famous "When Saturday comes" cover that celebrated
    their promotion season achieved through bookings, sendings off and even
    a prison sentence.
    
    Oh what a midfield it was with Mick "the Nutter" Tait in there as well,
    and other up and coming loonies such as Kevin Ball at the back and
    Mick "Porridge" Quinn up front.
    
    Ah those were the days - pity Reading got rid of Tait and Hurlock
    really then they would have a midfield (:==:)
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks (Who saw most of the sendings off) 
38.16You get allsorts of problems with Bassett!!CRISPY::TRINDERSTue Aug 20 1991 13:089
38.17Results so farCRISPY::TRINDERSThu Sep 12 1991 17:2420
38.18Tenth and rising !!CRISPY::ROSECWed Sep 18 1991 12:3513
    Last two results;
    
    Saturday - Brentford 1 Reading 0
    
    Last night - Torquay 1 Reading 2 (Senior, Holzman)
    
    Reading move into tenth place.
    
    After not winning any of the last ten away league games last season (2
    draws and 8 defeats) - it is good to see that two out of four games
    this season have resulted in victories.
    
    Chris
38.19Byrne to sign??YUPPY::TAYLORMFri Sep 20 1991 16:5613
    
    
    Reading lot set to sign David Byrne from Watford after his months loan.
    He has scored twice and it is reported in my local paper that he has
    impressed during his stay at ElmPark which ends after Saturday's game.
    Byrne apparently has impressed the Reading fans by not only scoring but
    providing width and helping to create goals..  The stumbling block
    is the fee. Watford want just over 30k and Reading are thinking it
    over.
    
    What do you Reading fans think?? 
    
    Martin
38.20CRISPY::ROSECFri Sep 20 1991 17:404
    I think Reading should buy him - at todays prices, he is certainly
    worth 30k. He seems to be improving the longer he stays at Reading.
    
    Chris
38.21David Byrne - is he worth 10K per month?CRISPY::TRINDERSFri Sep 20 1991 17:5616
38.22DUCK::TRINDERSMon Sep 23 1991 16:178
38.23SUBURB::ABSOLOMTThere are only 2 SUBURBiansTue Sep 24 1991 15:215
    Apparently David Byrne has gone back to Watford as the Royals couldn't
    raise 30k. Also the Southampton-Gilkes deal is now dead, as the payment
    terms weren't good enough.
    
    Tony
38.24U.T.B.N.BNEWOA::OREILLYFri Sep 27 1991 18:4515
    
    Gilkes is only fit for another season!*!
    This would be a bad investment for any 1st division club.   
    However they probably just as well get the best out of him before he is
    shaged out. Then of course they have the same problem as they did with
    that other donkey, whats his name?? Thats it " Martin Kicks" isn't it. 
    
    
    
    
    Cheers
    
    
    
    
38.25DUCK::ROSECTue Oct 01 1991 16:3811
    Well another three points down the swanny on Saturday. Having made the
    trek down there I thought Readings younger players played well. Taylor,
    Williams, Holzman and Lovell are good honest players - I wonder how
    long we'll keep them.
    A game that Reading had sewn up after taking the lead, but the
    inability to hold onto a lead once again cost them dearly.
    Look out for some moves this week (player swop deals).
    Must just mention the support that our Danny Bailey got from the Exeter
    fans - he was/is a favourite down there.
    
    Roll on Saturday.
38.26Some News......CRISPY::TRINDERSWed Oct 02 1991 20:5316
38.27CRISPY::TRINDERSFri Oct 04 1991 17:4517
38.28Optimistic, or what?SED750::SADATTarik Sadat: London South TCCFri Oct 04 1991 19:2011
Ok then:

	Biscuits 3	Jim Davis XI 1

Well it's Friday isn't it...

Having been away all of September, what's the injury/team news from Elm Park? I
can tell you Chuckling Paddy Feeney's style of giving the results on the BBC WS
I have always found particularly irritating :-(

Tarik
38.29Oh yes, forgot to say:SED750::SADATTarik Sadat: London South TCCFri Oct 04 1991 19:212
Isn't a "Scummer" a Portsmouth insult for an inhabitant of Southampton? Or so
my Scummer friends tell me...
38.30CRISPY::TRINDERSFri Oct 04 1991 20:0113
38.31DUCK::ROSECMon Oct 07 1991 16:2713
    Well 0-0, what can one say apart from well played the
    youngsters....again.
    Gilkes is AWOL at the moment. He was called in before the Bradford game
    (two weeks ago) to say his goodbyes to the players, last minute hiccup
    and he stays a Royal rather than a Saint (last sung at Reading v
    Southampton in the League Cup 13 years ago....).
    What happens to Dillon now, his trail is up?
    Are we going to sign Byrne?
    Where does McGhee go from here?
    How come we are dominating games without winning?
    
    Answers please!!!!
    
38.32Dillon stayingVOGON::KEEMon Oct 07 1991 19:4811
    Dillon has signed for yet another month. I guess 3 months is still
    the max so we either sign him after that or...
    
    Seems to me that until we sell Gilkes we won't be getting anyone
    else.
    
    I think Byrne is worth 30K but we need someone with mobility
    up front in place of Trev and McGhee.
    
    Martyn
    
38.33Come on you Royals !!DUCK::ROSECFri Oct 11 1991 17:076
    Away to Wigan tonight.
    
    I predict a very close game.....Reading to win 2-1 (eternal
    optimist)... both goals coming from defenders.
    
    Chris
38.34CRISPY::ROSECFri Oct 25 1991 17:1910
    What price a Reading away win tomorrow.
    
    Reading have not won away on a Saturday since early January.
    The last seven away Saturday games have resulted in seven defeats, one
    goal scored and 15 conceded.
    Away to Shrewsbury last season was our heaviest defeat for ages (1-5).
    I am not taking anything away from Reading's away successes this season
    in midweek (Torquay and Swansea) but it doesn't look too good does it?
    
    We shall see
38.35I know the reports are late but......CRISPY::TRINDERSFri Oct 25 1991 21:2884
38.36A win at lastFORTY2::ROBERTSONI brake for coffee!!Mon Oct 28 1991 12:3512
    On the nose Simon.
    
    Reading finally managed a win.
    
    Reading took the lead through Dillon on 55 mins.
    Shrewsury equalised on 62, and instead of Royals doing their usual and
    losing after going ahead, they bounced back with a goal through Taylor
    on 70 mins.
    
    Let's hope this is the end of the rot.
    
    Al
38.37Wembley !!!DUCK::ROSECMon Oct 28 1991 15:4815
    FA Cup 1st Round draw;
    
    Slough v Reading
    
    There are a number of games from round 1 live on Sky.
    
    I have been to Slough, for a Berks and Bucks cup tie years ago, and
    there was a rather good social club.
    
    For those who are thinking how are Slough playing. Unfortunately, the
    answer is they are playing well - currently 5th/6th in the Conference
    and they dished out a 7-3 away win to Altrinham the weekend before
    last.
    
    Chris 
38.38CRISPY::TRINDERSMon Oct 28 1991 16:479
38.39DUCK::ROSECTue Oct 29 1991 13:246
    Good point Simon, we'll have to wait and see.
    
    Can anyone confirm/deny that Reading have just re-signed Morrow, the
    full-back from Arsenal, on loan again?
    
    Chris
38.40News UpdateCRISPY::TRINDERSWed Oct 30 1991 13:2714
38.41DUCK::ROSECWed Oct 30 1991 17:527
    Should be a good turnout of Reading fans at Slough. I don't think
    Reading will have any problems in selling their allocation. 
    Important things first though, will Richardson be fit for Saturdays
    game at Bolton?
    
    Chris
    
38.42U.T.B.N.B.NEWOA::OREILLYFri Nov 01 1991 18:484
    
    
    5 pound a ticket!!! thats taking the p***.
    
38.43Come on ReadingDUCK::ROSECTue Nov 05 1991 17:235
    Home to Darlington tonight, a chance for Reading to turn their home
    form around. Must get three points tonight. 
    Have not won at home in midweek for over a year!
    
    
38.44SUBURB::ABSOLOMTDon't Bank With LloydsTue Nov 05 1991 18:104
    On Evening Post billboard, "Royals Sign International Star". Who would
    that be??
    
    Tony
38.45ZURFAM::MURRAYDigital has it. Well sort ofTue Nov 05 1991 18:213
    
    
    Dame Edna probably :-)
38.46DUCK::ROSECWed Nov 06 1991 15:297
    Well whoever this International Star is, I must have missed him last
    night.
    2-2 with Darlington, not an impressive result. 
    Reading twice equalised, through Maskell and Williams. 
    Couldn't blame Steve Francis for the Darlington goals.
    
    Stay 16th.
38.47Lets start againVOGON::KEEMon Nov 11 1991 13:1422
    After 30 years as a Reading supporter I would honestly say this
    is the worst Reading side in the past decade at least. After being
    a regular supporter I've now got more involved in coaching kids
    football and I can tell you its a heck of a lot more fun. The last
    time I saw Reading before this weekend's West Brom game was back
    in September.
    
    I must admit Reading seemed to wake up in the second half against 
    West Brom after that increadible fluke goal by Goodman. But what
    we actually have is a very mediocre team going nowhere. McGhee
    is I'm afraid past his sell by date and would do better to sit
    on the bench and try and motivate that way. 
    
    If it was me rebuilding I would only keep Francis, Williams, Taylor,
    McPherson and Lovell. In the case of Williams, Taylor and Lovell
    because of their potential as young players and Francis and McPherson
    because they are the only others who I could see playing in Div 2.
    
    Hope I'm proved wrong by the way.
    
    Martyn
    
38.48Plus Mark HVOGON::KEEMon Nov 11 1991 13:172
    Sorry I missed Mark Holzman, another good young player.
    
38.49SUBURB::ABSOLOMTDon't Bank With LloydsMon Nov 11 1991 16:116
    I'm sorry but I don't agree with the last note. I feel that Reading
    we're trying to play `football' at times on Saturday but just weren't
    getting the breaks. I thought McGhee had a good game.
    
    The only waster for me was the lanky curly haired ponce wearing number
    six.
38.50CRISPY::ROSECMon Nov 11 1991 17:3712
    Totally agree with the last note. In "The Times" on Sunday (not a paper
    noted for its sporting bias) there was an extensive match report and it
    went on to say that Reading were unlucky, quite simply not getting the
    breaks. In the same report, Gould (WBA manager) said McGhee was "a
    colossus" - a truly great player.
    I thought McGhee played well. I have missed a dozen games in 20 odd
    years and this is not the worst RFC team I have seen, not by a long
    way.
    The two mates with me on Saturday had not been to Elm Park for over a
    year, and they said what a great game of football it was.
    No one gets more p***ed off than me over continually dropping points,
    but at least they are trying to play football.
38.51McGhee or McGhooVOGON::KEEMon Nov 11 1991 18:2415
    McGhee was or is a collossus ? That's the point.
    
    How many seasons does Floyd Streete have left and for that matter
    Mick Gooding, Trevor Senior and others ? Maskell wins the ponce of
    the century vote. 
    
    Maybe they are trying to play football as opposed to the Branfoot
    regime. Facts speak for themselves. Too much deadwood. 18th in 3,
    1 home win out of 8 (away record not bad I admit), no money in
    bank and apart from Gilkes no real assets to sell and rebuild.
    
    Heck I really hope I'm wrong about this.
    
    Martyn
    
38.52SUBURB::ABSOLOMTDon't Bank With LloydsMon Nov 11 1991 19:397
    Geez, I go and watch Reading once a season and am so pissed off with
    the standard that I don't go back. This time I'll be going back.
    
    BTW, I stood in the West Brom end as the crowd there were a lot more
    enthusiastic.
    
    Tony
38.53New DateDUCK::TRINDERSWed Nov 13 1991 20:407
38.54OOOOOOOOOOOOO SSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHIIIIIIITTTTUTROP1::JANSENDr. MartensWed Nov 13 1991 21:0321
38.55To beer or not to beer?CRISPY::TRINDERSThu Nov 14 1991 16:587
38.56HLFS00::JANSEN_TUTRECHT, HOLLANDFri Nov 15 1991 02:279
    rep -1
    
    Simon,
    
    Fanx for your prompt reaction, about this Bournemouth thing well I
    dunno, I don't think I would been seen a whole weekend in Bournemount
    but then again that's me ...... :-)
    
    T_
38.57Replay requiredIOSG::TYLDESLEYMon Nov 18 1991 12:474
    Result: Slough 3 Reading 3
    Heard on the radio that Slough were 1-0 up at one time.
    Report anyone?
    DaveT
38.58Embarassment againVOGON::KEEMon Nov 18 1991 13:1820
    Well I have to admit I went. Reading were embarassing for the 
    first 70 minutes and Slough should have been a couple ahead.
    Then Williams scored with a good far-post header and ten minutes
    later Gooding scored direct from a free-kick when everyone missed
    or watched the ball. Then Taylor scored a great goal after McGhee
    back-heeled to Richardson who put Taylor through.
    
    Then it all happened ! A minute from the end Slough scored after
    a goalmouth scramble. Then in the 4th minute of injury time (I know
    this - I set my stopwatch) Slough equalised after a free kick near
    the corner flag - a great header off the underside of the bar.
    The crowd went mad. I was in the Slough end. You couldn't help
    feeling pleased for them. Thoroughly deserved equaliser and once
    again you felt let down by Reading's mediocrity.
    
    Anyone know what happened to Gilkes ? After West Brom I assume he
    was dropped.
    
    Martyn
    
38.59SUBURB::ABSOLOMTDon't Bank With LloydsMon Nov 18 1991 15:533
    He AGAIN walked off the training field, I know that much.
    
    Tony
38.60Incision decisionVOGON::KEEMon Nov 18 1991 20:579
    Royaline says he had a swollen mouth from dental work !
    Didn't realise you had to eat the ball.
    
    Reading have drawn Peterborough away IF they can beat Slough.
    Just about what they deserved - ie to get to the 3rd round they
    should have to earn a place.
    
    Martyn
    
38.61??BLKPUD::WATTERSONPNo Irish in SwedenMon Nov 18 1991 21:0111
    
    A few questions about the Reading - Slough replay.....
    
    
    Is it true it's all-ticket ? -if so when are the tickets on sale ?
    
    Is it on Wednesday or Tuesday next week ?
    
    Paul
    
    (never been to Elm Park before and may go to the replay)
38.62WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH!CRISPY::BAREFIELDATue Nov 19 1991 11:059
    
    
    The Evening Post have said that this match is not all ticket and
    will be played wednesday 27 november.
    
    
    ANDY-B..
    
    
38.63DUCK::TRINDERSTue Nov 19 1991 11:584
38.64GilkesVOGON::KEEWed Nov 20 1991 15:462
    Gilkes on transfer list by own request. 
    
38.65DUCK::ROSECWed Nov 20 1991 17:274
    Reading are giving a trial to a full-back from the States. Apparently
    he has already been flown over.
    
    Home to Northampton tonight in the Autoglass Trophy.
38.66Smashed in the Autoglass...SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYDerek Smalls - he wrote thisThu Nov 21 1991 13:4717
    
    Reading 0 Northampton 2 
    
    A bad defeat against a very poor Northampton side; two defensive errors
    gifted them the lead and then Reading effectively gave up. Few players 
    emerged with any credit and that includes McGhee who looked woefully 
    out of touch.
    
    I haven't been able to see Reading much since the early season but
    after having seen the Darlington game and last nights effort I'm
    convinced they've gone backwards. The midfield lacks any cohesion and
    McGhee can't decide certain players best postions (Taylor started last
    night wide on the right then moved to central midfield after half an 
    hour). Unless they get their act together and fast they may be headed 
    for a long fight against relegation.
    
    jeff
38.67gotta new motorIOSG::TYLDESLEYThu Nov 21 1991 14:196
    Saw Stuart Beavon's sponsored Sierra in the Post House car park
    last night - did he play? How's he getting on?
    
    Cheers
    DaveT 
    (who_used_the_post_house_in_order_to_get_out_in_time_for_footy_training;-)
38.68SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYDerek Smalls - he wrote thisThu Nov 21 1991 16:317
    
    Yes, Stuey Beavon did play, in fact, he was the Northampton captain
    for the night. Apparently, though, he hasn't been able to get in their 
    team recently which means he must have been playing badly!! Also, 
    his son was one of the mascots.
    
    jeff
38.69Just interested...SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYDerek Smalls - he wrote thisThu Nov 21 1991 20:2417
    
    Here's a little poser for you (no, not Michael Gilkes):
    
    Just suppose that McGhee has resigned (not altogether remarkable)
    citing pressure of work a la Dalglish and for some strange reason
    you have been appointed in his place. The first thing the chairman
    tells you is that you have only a small amount of money available
    to buy a player or perhaps players. Then your thrown in at the deep
    end.
    
    What sort of player(s) would you buy: a defender, midfielder or striker
    (or perhaps even a new goalkeeper).
    Who would you retain and who would you make strenuous efforts to get
    rid of?
    What would your team be?
    
    jeff
38.70Get out the scalpelVOGON::KEEThu Nov 21 1991 20:5132
    Francis - definitely keep
    Jones - keep when fit
    Morrow - send back to Arse
    Richardson - free at end of season
    Streete - needs replacing soon, last season
    McPherson - keep
    Cooper - get rid
    Holzman - keep for future
    Gooding - get rid when replaced
    Williams - definitely keep
    Gilkes - sell immediately
    Senior - get rid immediately
    Maskell - get rid immediately
    McGhee - sack
    Leworthy - get rid
    Taylor - definitely keep
    
    Probably missed someone. What happened to the guy from Brentford ?
    
    In priority order:
    
    Buy a striker. Dean Holdsworth at Brentford can actually hold the ball.
    Buy a midfielder. Ray Wilkins would do for a season. May as well make
    him player-manager too.
    Buy a central defender. Come back Hicksie !
    Buy a winger. I would sign David Byrne immediately. Good player.
    
    Major surgery needed in my view.
    
    Martyn
     
    
38.71And Archie...VOGON::KEEThu Nov 21 1991 20:522
    Knew I forgot someone. I would definitely keep Lovell as well.
    
38.72should I stay or should I go?DUCK::ROSECFri Nov 22 1991 11:3126
    STAY		GO
    ---			--
    FRANCIS		JONES
    HOLZMAN		RICHARDSON
    WILLIAMS		SENIOR
    MCPHERSON		GILKES
    LOVELL		LEWORTHY
    TAYLOR		MASKELL
    GOODING		SEYMOUR
    MCGHEE		COOPER
    DILLON		BAILEY
    			MORROW
    			STREETE
    
    Unfortunately, this only leaves nine players.  Reading could actually
    get some dosh for one or two of the players in the right hand column.
    
    I agree, there is some fairly major work needed.  But, I must be honest
    and say that I would give McGhee a fair crack at it.
    I think you need some stability in managership and changing manager now
    would not help the club a great deal.
    
    My priority purchase would be an influencial midfielder - Ray Wilkins
    fits the bill nicely.
         
    Chris
38.73Can you coach and manage?IOSG::TYLDESLEYFri Nov 22 1991 12:4314
    From what I've seen of McGhee, I'd give him a longer chance to show
    what he can do. He's definitely a 'track-suit' manager and I watch 
    him each week working long hours, several evenings, training the 
    youth squads at Whitchurch. He tries to make them play a decent, 
    accurate passing game. 
    
    Lack of money at the youth level seems to be a problem - the U15s
    all had to squeeze into a small minibus for the trip to Bournemouth,
    to get stuffed 6-1! - no wonder several of them are re-considering 
    QPR and Arsenal! - but I digress....
    
    Give him time and one or two good purchases.
    DaveT
    
38.74Wilko will goVOGON::KEEFri Nov 22 1991 13:5818
    I was maybe a bit harsh on McGhee (as a result of the previous
    night's result !). The point is that as a player he's just about
    had it. So lets start the rumour about Ray Wilkins coming in to work
    alongside McGhee as player-coach and keep McGhee to just manage
    and coach.
    
    Re -2 thanks for reminding me of the other guys I missed:
    
    Seymour - free transfer
    Bailey - get rid
    Dillon - keep
    
    Prediction for tomorrow:
    
    Chester 1 Reading 3
    
    (eternal optimist)
    
38.75Sack the Fans!!!SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYDerek Smalls - he wrote thisFri Nov 22 1991 16:4327
    
    Well I suppose as I posed the original question I should at least
    attempt to answer it ;')
    
    The problem areas for Reading at the moment seem to be defending
    against crosses and creating chances at the other end.Therefore my
    priorities would be a good centre-half and either a creative mid-
    fielder or perhaps a winger. Whilst I believe both Streete and
    McPherson are good centre-halves, their weakness in the air is
    constantly exposed partly because most third division teams play with
    a big centre-forward and partly because Francis is very reluctant to 
    come for crosses. As for scoring goals, the problem seems to be lack of
    decent chances rather than poor finishing; a good crosser or inventive
    player in the mid-field may remedy this.
    
    As for who to retain, I think the first priority should be who actually
    wants to play for Reading;therefore Gilkes and Maskell would both be
    out the door. Seymour simply isn't good enough whilst players such as 
    Gooding and Leworthy should only be retained until replacements are
    found. Whatever, keep the youngsters; they're the future of the club.
    
    Back in the real world, McGhee needs all the support he can get. There 
    were one or two "McGhee Out" calls the other night; these don't help
    the side and are counter-productive - another change of manager would
    not help Reading in the slightest.
    
    jeff.
38.76Sack the tea lady!!!DUCK::TRINDERSFri Nov 22 1991 19:0537
38.77Trev outVOGON::KEEFri Nov 22 1991 19:142
    Our Trev is out for 6 weeks with a burst blood vessel in the thigh.
    
38.78New blood??FORTY2::ROBERTSONI brake for coffee!!Mon Nov 25 1991 12:5116
I read in Friday's Evening Post that Mcghee was hoping to make a "big name"
signing before Wednesday. I believe he's looking for a striker. However, could 
this be that Ray Wilkins rumour becoming reality ;-)

Anyone have any more details.

Saturday's result

Chester 2 - Reading 2
	    Maskell 2 (1 pen)

Reading came back from 1 down to lead 2-1, and then, like so many times this
season, allowed the opposition back in. Isn't that something like 6 draws in
the last 7/8 matches. Put them on your coupon next week ;-)

	Al
38.79CRISPY::TRINDERSMon Nov 25 1991 16:4215
38.80SUBURB::ABSOLOMTBorn in a stormTue Nov 26 1991 19:486
    Chelsea have now offered #400,000 for Michael Gilkes. This follows
    Southampton's previous `installments' offer.
    
    Branfoot & now Porterfield!! Must have seen something they liked.
    
    Tony
38.81No ChanceCRISPY::TRINDERSTue Nov 26 1991 21:1111
38.82Peterborough - here we come!CRISPY::ROSECThu Nov 28 1991 11:0311
    Well a 2-1 victory, but marred by the loss of Holzman with what looked
    like a broken ankle.
    Reading deserved to win, and had they not dithered in front of goal so
    much then the last 5 minutes would not have been so chaotic.
    IMO pick of the Reading players were Williams (again), Lovell and
    Honey.
    The "big signing" that the press and club have been on about is
    temporarily off.  The guy was Leroy Rosenior (West Ham ?) who failed
    the medical.
    
    Chris
38.83Our name is on the cup :')SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYDerek Smalls - he wrote thisThu Nov 28 1991 11:2116
    
    A good performance but once again a lack of professionalism nearly
    allowed Sluff back into it. Reading dominated the first half and would
    not have been flattered by a 4 or 5 goal advantage with 20 mins. left;
    instead, they only converted two of numerous chances and seemed to lose 
    the grip they'd established. Still, they made it.
    
    IMO Reading's best were Williams and Gooding who controlled the
    midfield for most of the game. Honey had a solid first game although he 
    did tend to rush out a bit recklessly at times.
    
    Just a word on the ref.; I'd love to know what the foul count was
    because it seemed to me to be about 30-10 in Sluff's favour. It was the
    most one-sided display of refereeing I've seen at Elm Park.
    
    jeff.
38.84CRISPY::ROSECFri Nov 29 1991 12:384
    Can anyone confirm Reading have just signed a striker, Britten ?, from
    Celtic on loan/permanently?
    
    Aparrently he is playing tomorrow!
38.85BrittenKERNEL::HAWLEYIproduct of the working classFri Nov 29 1991 13:013
    hes on loan, heard it on the radio last night...
    Ian.
    
38.86Holzman Out for rest of the season.FORTY2::ROBERTSONThe King is Dead. Long Live Queen.Fri Nov 29 1991 13:4611
It's worse than you thought Chris. Holzman has broken his leg, and is expected
to be out for the rest of the season. :-(.

Just our luck. That's two seasons in a row that one of the best players has
broken a leg.

Let's hope for a speedy recovery.

Anybody got a run down on Britten??

Al
38.87Horror shockVOGON::KEEFri Nov 29 1991 15:479
    Reading have signed goalkeeper Jim Leighton on a month's loan
    from Man Utd. McGhee turned to his old boss, Alex Ferguson for
    help. 
    
    Leighton looks likely to play in goal tomorrow. Can't help feeling
    sorry for Danny Honey.
    
    Martyn
    
38.89CRISPY::ROSECFri Nov 29 1991 16:577
    Neale Cooper has signed for Dunfermaline.  To be honest, I don't rate
    this as a great loss.
    
    I suppose Leighton will play tomorrow, and did I hear that the full
    back from the States will play?
    
    Chris
38.90Ohhhhh Jimmy, Jimmy.....SUBURB::ABSOLOMTItchy & ScratchyMon Dec 02 1991 15:183
    Jim Leighton had a good game.
    
    Tony
38.91Oh, and bring back Danny Honey !SUBURB::LAINSBURYAHmmmm.....Tue Dec 03 1991 16:0211
    Haven't been in notes for a long while, and have just read the recent
    banter. I'm officially opening the Craig Maskell fanclub, and get rid
    of McGhee club (as a player only, keep him on as manager).
    
    Simon, have you any details for the train times to Peterborough on
    Saturday and the away team haunts up there ?
    
    Cheers
    Andy..
    
    
38.92Liverpool, Liverpool, LiverpoolVOGON::KEETue Dec 03 1991 20:377
    You probably noticed Peterborough are at home to Liverpool
    tonight in the Grumbleblows Cup. Lets hope they get well
    wacked otherwise we could be at a psychological disadvantage
    Saturday to say the least.
    
    Martyn
    
38.93Posh pound 'pool!SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYDerek Smalls - he wrote thisWed Dec 04 1991 13:407
    
    > Lets hope they get well wacked otherwise we could be at a
    psychological disadvantage Saturday to say the least.<
    
    Oh dear! Still, this is our chance to prove we're better than Liverpool.
    
    jeff ;')
38.94Just follow the trail of empty cans!!DUCK::TRINDERSAre we winning yet?Fri Dec 06 1991 16:4024
38.95When's the replay??FORTY2::ROBERTSONMon Dec 09 1991 12:499
Well we showed we were better than the 'pool on saturday with a crushing 0-0
draw at the Posh.

Anyone got a report???

And what a money spinning incentive for the 3rd round, an away tie to
Bolton Wanderers ;-)

	Al
38.96Report.SUBURB::LAINSBURYAI couldn't believe it !Mon Dec 09 1991 16:0225
    
    
    Agree with the 3rd round draw being crap, I just knew it was going to
    be away to another third division side.
    
    
    As for the match, apart from a 20 minute spell at the start of the
    second half, Reading were easily the better team. The first half saw
    some flowing football, stopping whenever Gilkes tried to beat too many
    players (every time). Lovell wasted the best chances shooting straight
    at the keeper when clean through. Maskell failed to connect to a cross
    in front of an open goal, but it was difficult to see up the other end
    in the fog as to how close he was. Can't remember any other clear
    chances.
    
    2nd half Peterborough put the pressure on but never really looked like
    scoring, and in the last 15 minutes Reading could and should have won.
    Gooding, Maskell and Celtic Loanee (is it Britten ?) came close, but we
    were too busy playing for a draw.
    
    Best players: Maskell and Bailey.
    Worst: Gilkes and Lovell.
    
    Massive Reading support as well - there was a load of part-time away
    supporters (including me)
38.97CRISPY::ROSECTue Dec 10 1991 17:4212
    The replay is now next TUESDAY (17TH) and not Wednesday.  This is
    because Reading are also at home a week Friday (20th) against
    Hartlepool.
    
    Interesting facts in the local rag last night from Saturdays game:
    Peterborough shots on target - zero
    Peterborough corners  -  zero
    
    Wouldn't mind if it stayed like that for next week!
    
    Chris 
         
38.98FORTY2::ROBERTSONThat's me in the cornerThu Dec 12 1991 15:3111
Michael Gilkes runs in the Southern section of the Rumbelows Sprint Challenge in
Portsmouth tonight. In a report in the Evening Post last night, he said that he
still hasn't 100% recovered from his broken leg. Just getting in the excuse in
case he doesn't make it to Wembley :-)

Best of luck tonight Michael!!

The highlights will be on the greatest football show ever;-), Saint & Greavsie
on Saturday.

	Al
38.99GO FOR IT GILKSEY !!CRISPY::ROSECThu Dec 12 1991 18:427
    I think it's a case of if Gilksey fancies it  - he'll win, and if he's
    not in the mood - he won't.
    
    What chance Saturday's game being on with the current freezing
    conditions???
    
    Chris
38.100Short span of attention!!FORTY2::ROBERTSONThat's me in the cornerThu Dec 12 1991 19:399
I had a quick look through Today's evening Post at lunch time (?) and McGhee
thinks it will go ahead, due to Craven Cottage's sandy pitch ( and I thought
they played on grass ;-)

Al

P.S. You're right about Gilkes' attitude, but he'll probably be do well as he
should only be involved for about 11 secs, which is about as long as he has been
known to be interested in 90 minutes of football :-)
38.101Run run run run GilkesySUBURB::LAINSBURYAI couldn't believe it !Fri Dec 13 1991 15:259
    Depends if any scouts are watching...as he's on telly he'll probably
    try a little harder.
    
    Simon, 
    Thanks for the Peterboro info. last week. Do you have any more of the
    same for tomorrow.
    
    Cheers,
    Andy
38.102Fulham P READDING P ;-)CRISPY::TRINDERSAre we winning yet?Fri Dec 13 1991 16:0721
38.103George FrielVARESE::SKELCHERFri Dec 13 1991 20:248
    After the 0-0 triumph at Peterborough (proving that Reading are better
    than Liverpool) I wasn't too surprised that no-one in this note
    commented on one of the other 2nd round ties.  However, George Friel -
    who Reading played out of position last season - scored all 3 of Woking's 
    goals against Yeovil last Saturday.  It was a shame the club let him
    go, especially as it was done in the managerless interim.
    
    Tom  
38.104Gilkes qualifiesVOGON::KEESat Dec 14 1991 17:3811
    Re a couple back...
    
    Gilkes qualified for the Wembley finals. He looked to well ahead in
    the first heat then strolled to qualify for the area final. In the
    final he finished second. He has the third fastest time so far with
    two more area finals to come before the final eight at Wembley.
    
    Great result this week according to the pools panel.
    
    Martyn
    
38.105FORTY2::ETHERIDGEBlimey....with a big B.Tue Dec 17 1991 19:4314
	re. 103

	I cant believe Reading let him go, and Woking have had a result
	getting hold of him. He's scored something like 23 goals this 
	season in as many games and certainly did the business the other day
	versus Yeovil. Woking can do very well again this year, considering
	how they played against Yeovil and also considering the
	abscence of Mark Biggins who is a great player. 

	Fridge.

	P.S.	Off to Farnborough tonight for the Torquay replay. Should be 
	a good 'un. Shame about the ground.
38.106SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYSanta Claus ate my hamsterWed Dec 18 1991 11:4514
    
    Royals 1 Posh 0
    
    Well we got the result but it wasn't an inspired performance. In fact
    in the first half I thought they were trying to lose the game, the number 
    of times they gave away the ball in dangerous areas. A better second
    half performance, coinciding with Lovell coming on for Britten and a
    good goal well worked by Taylor and finished off by Lovell. Gooding was
    crap but wins man-of-the-match for an incredible clearance off the line
    with only minutes left.
    
    Anyway, at least we're better than Liverpool.
    
    jeff
38.107Bolton, here we come !CRISPY::ROSECWed Dec 18 1991 14:096
    Agree with the previous note - not a great game but the result was all
    important.
    
    Wonder what the scouts/managers etc thought of Gilkes last night? -
    especially as Madjeski mentioned in the Post last night that Gilkes
    will almost certainly be gone within eight weeks.
38.108He's fast !SUBURB::LAINSBURYAI couldn't believe it !Wed Dec 18 1991 17:0210
    What has Gilkes got going for him ...
    
    Well... he's fast, and he's um....um...er....fast, and he's got
    a...um..er...good turn turn of speed, but most of all he's
    um...er...um....fast.
    
    
    
    Andy..
    
38.1091992 - watch us roll.SUBURB::LAINSBURYAI couldn't believe it !Fri Dec 20 1991 16:125
    Anyone got our fixtures over Xmas/New year period.
    Starting with a 2-1 victory tonight, the floodgates are about to open.
    
    Andy
    
38.110READING FC 1991/92 Div.3 ChampionsCRISPY::TRINDERSAre we winning yet?Fri Dec 20 1991 18:3514
38.111No promotion this season for the RoyalsGIDDAY::PARSONSSupport SLS and see the worldSat Dec 21 1991 12:165
    
    Reading   0  Hartlepool United  1
    
    Pools complete the double over Reading having beaten them 2-0 at
    the Victoria Ground earlier in the season.
38.112Ho Ho Ho !!!SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYSanta is an anag. of SatanTue Dec 24 1991 11:4210
    
    Merry Christmas to all Royals fans!!!
    
    Looks like we need as much goodwill as we can get at the moment but,
    after having consulted Old Moores Almanac, Nostradamus and Russell
    Grant, I predict a second-half of the season surge, culminating in a
    play-off place by May. Forever the optimist, eh!
    
    jeff
    
38.113SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Thu Jan 02 1992 11:3614
    
    Well here we are again, nine days and three WINS later! What was I
    saying in .112?
    
    Yesterday's game against the Swans wasn't exactly inspiring but three
    points is three points. Woeful first half but livened up after Senior
    scored (a goal made by a Gooding pass, a Gilkes run and a Maskell
    interception and pass); thereafter Leighton made three brilliant saves 
    and Gilkes missed two sitters.
    
    On the downside, McPherson went off early after receiving a bang in the
    face. Hope he's fit for Saturday.
    
    jeff
38.114DUCK::ROSECFri Jan 03 1992 17:2510
    Looks as if McPherson could miss tomorrow.  Hope Reading do not have to
    rely on Leighton quite so much - he has been superb.
    
    I'd be happy with a draw tomorrow.
    
    One totally useless fact for you - Do you know that three current
    Conference sides had their attendance records set against Reading...
    ...Colchester, Cheltenham, and Merthyr.
    
    Chris
38.115SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Fri Jan 03 1992 18:505
    
    A draw might be the best we can hope for; after all, surely we can't
    win FOUR games in a row.
    
    jeff_the_pessimist
38.116DUCK::ROSECMon Jan 06 1992 17:2911
    Correct, we can't win four in a row.
    
    Never-the-less, time to concentrate on the league now.  A play-off spot
    is definately within reach and the next few games (Huddersfield, Stoke
    and maybe Orient) are vital.
    
    Did anybody else see Jim Leighton on Saint and Greavsie on Saturday?
    
    Was Senior seriously injured on Saturday?
    
    Chris
38.117DUCK::ROSECTue Jan 07 1992 16:343
    Reading sign Steve Archibald on a week-to-week contract.
    
    Chris
38.118:-)ULYSSE::CHAMPOLLIONChris the JesterTue Jan 07 1992 16:473
38.119<Groan>CRISPY::TRINDERSAre we winning yet?Tue Jan 07 1992 17:065
38.120DUCK::ROSECFri Jan 10 1992 17:227
    McPherson is out for a month, Richardson for two weeks. Other than
    that, should be interesting tomorrow.  Will Archibald play?
    
    Nice to see in Tuesday's Post that McGhee is still hopeful for a
    play-off spot.  Probably need 45 points from remaining 24 games.
    
    Chris
38.121Royals 1 - Huddersfield 0FORTY2::ROBERTSONThat's me in the cornerMon Jan 13 1992 14:3718
Good win for Royals on Sat.

Looks like the bad home form is behind them. 2 wins in a row and nearly in the
top half of the table (13th)0

I am very confused as to why the score was only 1-0 however.

according to CEEFAX Senior Scored after 30 minutes
    "      " ORACLE   "      "      "   90    "
    "      " Sth Today  "    "      "   83    "

so the final score should have been Reading 3 Huddersfield 0
with Senior getting a hatrick ;-)

Whilst watching S&G on Saturday, Mark Mcghee called in to say that Archibald
would be playing. How did he get on??

Al
38.122Give him a couple of weeks...CRISPY::TRINDERSAre we winning yet?Mon Jan 13 1992 15:2516
38.123GOING UP,GOING UPDUCK::ROSECMon Jan 13 1992 17:5812
    A very good result - particularly when the game is heading towards 0-0
    with a few minutes left.
    
    Leighton was, once again, superb - and Streete and Williams played well
    also.  Senior deserved his goal.
    
    The play-offs are definately within sight now, but still a couple more
    wins required.
    
    What chances Stoke away on Saturday ?
    
    Chris 
38.124DUCK::ROSECWed Jan 15 1992 14:144
    Bad news, Leighton is about to sign for a Scottish club.  Reading are
    currently trying to work out if Leighton can work his loan period.
    
    Chris
38.125DUCK::COSSEYNWed Jan 15 1992 14:1916
    
    
    Good to see Reading starting to pick up some points with there
    fourth league win on the trot but it will be a tough test on 
    Saturday with a difficult game away to Stoke, if this run 
    continues i'll be very tempted to start going to a few games.
    
     It's also interesting to see that with Reading not scoring alot
     of goals that those who have left have been finding the net on a
     regular basis    Moran for Exeter
                      Conroy for Burnley
                      Friel for Woking
     And David Crown has become a polific goalscorer since his move from
     Elm Park.
    
                                Neil.....
38.126CRISPY::ROSECFri Jan 17 1992 18:467
    You are right Neil, all have done well since leaving Reading. However,
    none of them, except Moran, is really going to do that well at Div 2
    level - which I hope is where Reading are (eventually) heading.
    
    Anyway, on to tomorrow - I reckon a draw would be a great result.
    
    Chris
38.127Conroy/Con refVOGON::KEEMon Jan 20 1992 14:345
    I see Conroy got a hat-trick for Burnley on Sat.
    Anyone with a match report from Stoke ? Sounded like a right farce.
    
    Martyn
    
38.128Stoke 12 Reading 7PEKING::TRINDERSAre we winning yet?Tue Jan 21 1992 00:0790
38.129Leighton staying ????PEKING::ROSECTue Jan 21 1992 20:3715
    Leighton's move to Dundee has fallen through.  I understand Reading are
    interested in keeping Leighton longer - particularly as Francis is
    still not fit.
    
    Might have a problem in defence soon;
    
    McPherson injured
    Richardson injured
    Holzman injured
    Jones - probably injured after Saturday
    Francis injured
    Leighton - probably leaving
    Street - facing a ban
    
    Chris 
38.130Royaline NewsPEKING::TRINDERSAre we winning yet?Thu Jan 23 1992 19:2821
38.131Four Suspended !!PEKING::ROSECTue Jan 28 1992 13:5410
    Dillon, Williams and Gooding have picked up two-match bans.   Street
    has a one-match ban.
    All will obviously miss Peterborough on Saturday.
    
    In addition, McPherson, Richardson and Seymour are struggling for
    fitness.
    
    When you add that Jones has a busted nose as well, I can not imagine
    who will play in the back four on Saturday.  Could be a busy afternoon
    for Jim Leighton!
38.132???????PEKING::TRINDERSAre we winning yet?Tue Jan 28 1992 14:414
38.133Help !!!PEKING::ROSECTue Jan 28 1992 15:199
    Yes, Gilkes has joined Chelsea on a month's loan - with a view to a
    permanent transfer.
    
    When you add this to the current injury/suspension list (I forgot on my
    previous list - Holzman's broken leg) - who plays on Saturday.
    
    Finally, Dillon got sent off for the reserves yesterday !!!!
    
    Chris
38.134U.T.B.N.BNEWOA::OREILLYWed Jan 29 1992 17:3238
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Reading look as though they are going to be short of a few 1st team
    players, if they don't quickly resolve this I can see them slowly
    slippings towards the 4th Division.
    
    I would return to Elm Park and add my support if they do slip into the
    4th, it would be far more enjoyable watching Reading compete
    and play in a division which they would be far more suited for than
    strugling as they are at the moment in division 3.
    
    Lets face it what Reading need is money!! and they aint got none!!! I
    would love to see Reading back in the 2nd Division but we all know this
    will not happen with the calibre of players reading have at the moment.
    
    
    Cheers
    	
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
38.135Flog imVOGON::KEEWed Jan 29 1992 18:543
    Flog Gilkes and buy David Byrne + a striker + a midfielder that doesn't
    get sent off every other game.
    
38.136Byrne on loanYUPPY::TAYLORMWed Jan 29 1992 19:181
    David Byrne is currently at Fulham on a months loan.
38.137PEKING::ROSECWed Jan 29 1992 19:487
    Have Reading got anybody on loan yet for Saturday?
    
    At present they haven't got four fit defenders!!!
    
    What happened to Steve Morrow?
    
    Chris
38.138U.T.B.N.B.NEWOA::OREILLYThu Jan 30 1992 21:239
    
    Steve Morrow was given a free transfer to Bournmouth---Beach he is
    presently working with Martin Hicks on the Donkey rides.
    
    They are both happy in their new roll in life and the kids love them.
    They are fed very well on apples and carrots and at the end of a hard
    day they look forward to a lovely bed of hay.
    
    
38.139Explaination needed ??ESSB::TSHAUGHNESSYElectric Shaughs!Thu Jan 30 1992 22:417
>>         -< U.T.B.N.B. >-


Sorry for being a pest but could you explain this DEC like acronym please???
    
    

38.140FORTY2::ROBERTSONThat's me in the cornerFri Jan 31 1992 14:086
Reading have signed a defender from Chelsea on a months loan, but I cannot
remember his name (Lee ???)

Any one got any more details??

Al
38.141PEKING::ROSECFri Jan 31 1992 14:166
    Yes, he is a six foot three inch, fourteen stone central defender. He
    has been capped for the England U-21 team this season. He played in
    half of Chelsea's games last season, but with the arrival of Elliott
    his appearances have been limited.
    
    Chris
38.142Lee?FORTY2::ETHERIDGEI'll have a bowl of thatFri Jan 31 1992 14:551
	
38.143PEKING::ROSECFri Jan 31 1992 18:281
    David Lee
38.144{ U.T.B.N.B. }NEWOA::OREILLYFri Jan 31 1992 20:465
    
    Who are Reading playing against this Saturday!!
    
    
    
38.145PEKING::NAGLEJFri Jan 31 1992 20:5918
    
    RE -1.
    
    Peterboro.
    
    If thats you Neil you owe me a tenner. 
    
    CHELSEA 1 	EVERTON 0
    
    CHELSEA 1 	EVERTON 0
    
    CHELSEA 1 	EVERTON 0
    
    CHELSEA 1 	EVERTON 0
    
    CHELSEA 1 	EVERTON 0
    
    JN.
38.146{U.T.B.N.B.}NEWOA::OREILLYFri Jan 31 1992 21:087
    
    Jeff,
    
    I am a fair man and I always pay-up, however in this case I had my toes
    crossed. I will buy you a few beers the next time I see you.
    
    NO'R
38.147GossipPEKING::ROSECTue Feb 04 1992 19:4411
    Latest from Elm Park.
    
    Jim Leighton has joined Dundee for 200,000 quid. Steve Francis is back
    in training.
    
    Kevin Dillon has been charged with drink-driving. Not having a good
    season as he has already been sent off three times.
    
    McGhee looks like he'll be suspended soon - his booking on Saturday
    takes him to, probably, 21 points.  Reading have already been warned
    over the poor disciplinary record.
38.148(U.T.B.N.B.)NEWOA::OREILLYTue Feb 04 1992 21:008
38.149PEKING::NAGLEJTue Feb 04 1992 22:306
    
    Bollards Neil. You don't pay up.!
    
    :-8
    
    JN.
38.150PEKING::ROSECWed Feb 05 1992 18:581
    RE -2.   They won't go down, problem is that they won't go up !!
38.151U.T.B.N.BNEWOA::OREILLYThu Feb 06 1992 16:532
    
    Wanna Bet !!!!
38.152PEKING::ROSECThu Feb 06 1992 18:231
    Yes, a fiver.
38.153U.T.B.N.B.NEWOA::OREILLYThu Feb 06 1992 20:342
    
    your on.
38.154PEKING::NAGLEJThu Feb 06 1992 21:078
    
    PEKING::ROSEC
    
    I shook hands for a tenner mate so you've got no chance.
    
    :-)
    
    JN.
38.155U.T.B.N.B.NEWOA::OREILLYFri Feb 07 1992 15:056
    
    Jeff,
    
    When I next have the pleasure of your company I will PAY-UP.
    
    Cheers
38.156PEKING::NAGLEJFri Feb 07 1992 16:064
    
    No, its OK Neil. I'm only taking the pi$$ as the 8-) depicts.
    
    JN.
38.157PEKING::ROSECFri Feb 07 1992 18:263
    Back to reality, looks as if John Keeley from Oldham will be Reading's
    fourth goalie in four months tomorrow.  Francis and Honey are not fit.
    
38.158Gubbed again?SED750::SADATTarik Sadat: London South TCCWed Feb 12 1992 17:525
So did they play against Stockport last night?

If so did they manage to keep the score respectable?

Tarik
38.159RespectabubbleMINDER::MACDONALDIMUFC ECWC ChampionsWed Feb 12 1992 19:5213
    re -1
    
    Yes they did play against Stockport last night.
    
    >>respectable
    
    Will if you class losing 1-0 'respectable' then yes.
    
    Finlay scored for Stockport after 60 mins crowd attendance was 3720.
    
    Hope this helps
    
    mac
38.160COME ON YOU ROYALSPEKING::ROSECFri Feb 21 1992 18:4614
    After a dismal display against Fulham last week, Reading return to
    action at Huddersfield tomorrow.  Not an easy trip, but the sort of
    game that Reading could gain a point.
    Nobody gets more p***ed off than me when Reading lose, but to have used
    over 30 players by February gives the indication that McGhee has a) 
    rarely been able to field the same side in two consecutive games and b)
    has been hit by a vast number of injuries and suspensions.
    I know that Reading must take the blame for the suspensions, but the
    injuries have been severe to say the least.
    After following the club for a long time, I am pleased that they are
    trying to play football this season.  I hope that McGhee is given the
    chance to stay on for a season or two.
    
    Come on you Royals.  
38.161Alright I won't panic until 1st April...SED750::SADATTarik Sadat: London South TCCFri Feb 21 1992 22:1211
I suspect not...

If they go down this year - and they look like good candidates for the drop
from the current league position - then that'll be it: McGhee will have to go.

And if they _do_ go down, then I would hate to see them go the same way as
Aldershot

Still, the away form's been quite good...

Tarik
38.162Another 3 pointsFORTY2::ROBERTSONThat's me in the cornerMon Feb 24 1992 14:0115
Another valuable 3 points away at Huddersfield on Saturday. winning 2-1 with
goals from Lee & Williams.

This Lee looks like he's been worth every penny spent on the loan. Any one know
if there's a chance that he could be moving permanently?? 3 goals in 4 games,
senior eat you heart out!!!

I wonder if McGhee's scare tactics ( Telling 11 of the first team that if they
don't start getting their act together that they wont have the contracts renewed
at the end of the season ) had anything to do with it.

Hoping that this is the turning point, and play offs here we come ;-)


Al (Ever the optimist)
38.163OK so you did put smiley face...SED750::SADATTarik Sadat: London South TCCMon Feb 24 1992 16:506
>Hoping that this is the turning point, and play offs here we come ;-)

Eh??? We're only 5 points off a relegation place... (if I read the table
correctly)

Tarik
38.164PEKING::ROSECMon Feb 24 1992 16:596
    I think that Reading are seven points clear of relegation, however
    Reading do have between 1-3 games in hand on all bar three clubs in the
    Third.
    
    So with seventeen games to go it's approx 5 wins to avoid the drop and
    approx 12 wins to reach the play-offs.
38.165NEWOA::PALKMon Mar 02 1992 17:3410
	"Reading Star signs for Southampton"

	Not too sure who that was but that was the headline on CEEFAX 
	at dinnertime.


	Also Peter Shilton has signed for Portsmouth as a player manager	

		Chris.
38.166COMICS::WATTERSONOne more mint Mr President ?Mon Mar 02 1992 17:414
    
    Gilks - on loan again I think.
    
    Paul
38.167???????ESSB::BLONGThe Scousers Trophy Cabinet is EmptyMon Mar 02 1992 18:1611
38.168Gilkes to SotonFORTY2::ROBERTSONThat's me in the cornerMon Mar 02 1992 19:1710
Re last 3

To Confirm:

Gilkes has gone to Southampton on a months loan:  Will he ever play for the
Royals again?????

Shilton has become player/manager of Plymouth.

Al
38.169Keep Fratton Scummer-Free!AIMTEC::WICKS_AVote Bill'n'Opus for a weirder USAMon Mar 02 1992 21:1113
    Phew...
    
    For one brief moment I thought that the Scummers were attempting to
    sabotage Pompey's bid for promotion by sending another one of their
    cast-offs along the M27; Pompey already have Mcloughlin.
    
    Obviously they're hoping for some extra revenue from two local derby
    games in Div 2 next season.
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
                                   
38.170READING 2 Preston 2PEKING::TRINDERSAre we winning yet?Mon Mar 02 1992 22:5532
38.171Elm Park Blues!!!FORTY2::ROBERTSONMy Sorrows learnt to swimThu Mar 05 1992 14:1018
This is my last reply this morning.

Reading had, from the scoreline, an exciting game against 2nd place Stoke Last
night.

Royals took the lead on 8mins from Stuart Lovell.
Stoke then scored 2 within a couple of minutes to take the lead. But all credit
to Reading, they hit back straight away with a Adrian Williams strike to make it
2-2 at half time.

The second half saw Mick Gooding score with a great volley to put Royals back in
front, but Stoke soon hit back with 2 goals again within a couple of minutes of
each other. The 2nd an own goal, McPherson(?)  was running back to goal on the 6
yard line, the ball was headed across the area, and wrong footed he tried to
clear it, but only managed to put it into the net.

So 3-4 the final score. Was it as exciting as the score shows, or was the
defending just awful??
38.172Blue Monday In SightPEKING::TRINDERSAre we winning yet?Fri Mar 06 1992 22:4850
38.173PEKING::ROSECWed Mar 11 1992 12:356
    Darlington 2 READING 4
    
    A Craig Maskell hat-trick.  Although Reading almost let it slip again.
    2-0 up, back to 2-2, then two goals in the last four minutes.
    
    Reading move up to 15th.
38.174The climb to the top continuesPEKING::TRINDERSAre we winning yet?Mon Mar 16 1992 14:4517
38.175FIXTURESPEKING::ROSECTue Mar 17 1992 12:2816
    Reading's remaining fixtures are:
    
    SAT 21 MARCH - WBA (A)
    SAT 28 MARCH - CHESTER (H)
    WED 1 APRIL -  BRENTFORD (H)
    SAT 4 APRIL -  BIRMINGHAM (A)
    TUE 7 APRIL -  FULHAM (A)
    SAT 11 APRIL - TORQUAY (H)
    TUE 14 APRIL - PRESTON (A)
    SAT 18 APRIL - BRADFORD (A)
    MON 20 APRIL - EXETER (H)
    SAT 25 APRIL - BOURNMOUTH (A)
    WED 29 APRIL - ORIENT (H)
    SAT 2 MAY -    WIGAN (H)
    
    Chris
38.176U.T.B.N.BNEWOA::OREILLYWed Mar 25 1992 19:0310
    
    
    Hi,
    
    How did Reading get on against WBA? 
    
    I didn't catch the results this week.
    
    Thanks
                    
38.177FORTY2::ROBERTSONMy Sorrows, they learned to swimWed Mar 25 1992 19:437
Lost 2 - 0 :-(

Trust WBA to start winning again against us!!!

Only their 2nd win in 9 matches.

Al
38.178Another on loanVOGON::KEEThu Mar 26 1992 20:293
    Reading have signed Newcastle striker Dave Robinson, 23, on a month's
    loan with a view to a permanent signing.
    
38.179U.T.B.N.B.NEWOA::OREILLYFri Mar 27 1992 14:4920
    
    Dave Robinson!!!! What can you say!! good at winning the ball in the
    air, but he couldn't control a wet bag of cement. When are Reading
    going to start buying players that can play football.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Well as Senior would say, "thats another one in the stable"
    
    
    
    
   Cheers
   N
38.180NEWOA::MORANIT Management ServicesFri Mar 27 1992 15:206
    
    re-1
    
    What d'you expect for NOWT! Neil?
    
    Tim
38.181A right Royal feastSUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Mon Mar 30 1992 13:4531
    
    The PFA ballots the players this Friday concerning possible strike
    action; at Elm Park on Saturday the strike began a week early as the
    Reading and Chester players "fought" out an end of season thriller.
    This is the first game I've been to for some time as I've been turning
    out myself this season and Saturday's fayre showed me just what I've
    been missing - bugger all. Not a game to inspire headlines but let's
    just run over the "highlights":
    
    A couple of close calls for the Royals and a good debut by
    sixteen-year old Lee Bacchus, naturally enough considering he comes
    from my old school, Bulmershe. Well, that's about it really.
    
    As for our new signing from Newcastle; Mr O'Reilly described him in
    .179 as "good at winning the ball in the air, but he couldn't control a
    wet bag of cement". Apart from the bit about winning the ball in the
    air, I'd say this was a pretty accurate summimg-up. A fair indication
    of his abilities is the fact that the "crowd" (ah, so somebody other
    than me has nothing to do on a Saturday afternoon) began calling the
    name of the prodigal son, Trevor Senior, after about 15 minutes.
    Fortunately, he didn't come on until the second half.
    
    Finally, a word about Chester's tactics, simple and direct; namely,
    when awarded a free-kick, take as long as possible before you actually
    kick the ball. In fact, I think they even time-wasted before kicking
    off for the second half. All this occurred from the first whistle and
    did the ref. have a word with them, even once? Er, what do you think?
    
    jeff
    
    
38.182SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Fri Apr 03 1992 13:0112
    
    Wednesday 1st April:
    
    Reading 0 Brentford 0
    
    Crowd 5600+
    
    Amazing really, I know Brentford are going for promotion but you
    wouldn't think they'd get 5000 people following them away from home
    8^).
    
    jeff
38.183DECconnectionCHEFS::HOUSEBFri Apr 03 1992 16:415
    Lee Baachus played in the first team ????
    
    Doesn't his mum work in the DRC at Winnersh ??
    
    	Brian
38.184Wot's in a nameSUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Fri Apr 03 1992 16:459
    
    I don't know, maybe his great, great, great (etc,etc) grandfather was
    Bacchus, the Roman God of food and wine.
    
    However, I don't think so, mainly because I spelt his name wrong in
    .181. It's actually Barkus (or so it say's in the Chronicle which isn't
    saying much).
    
    jeff
38.185PEKING::COSSEYNFri Apr 03 1992 17:168
    
    
    Brian, It is Lee Barkus's mum who works in the DRC here at Winnersh
    and apparently had an excellent debut.
    
                 Neil... 
         
    
38.186This is all getting toooooo much....TRUCKS::SANTanother day in paradise?Fri Apr 03 1992 17:534
    
    	When was Lee's mum's debut in the DRC then Neil ? ;-)
    
    	Andy.
38.187All we are saying is.....fer chrissake score!SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Mon Apr 06 1992 14:207
    
    Birmingham 2 Reading 0
    
    Royals fail to score for the fourth game in a row; bring on Lee Barkus'
    mum, that's wot i say.
    
    jeff
38.188A twenty goals a season teamSUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Wed Apr 08 1992 12:298
    
    Fulham 1 Reading Er, what do you think?
    
    What can you say, apart from AARRRGGGHHHHHHH!!!! Reading have about as
    much chance of scoring as I did last Friday night i.e. none. I think
    our leading scorer this season is someone called OG...
    
    jeff
38.190SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Thu Apr 09 1992 18:025
    
    Has he ever scored and I mean ever? If so we'll have him 'cos I don't
    think we have.
    
    jeff
38.191Warren is FatSUBURB::WAITEGOnly the man who says no is freeFri Apr 10 1992 12:311
    I think so but it happened a long time ago.
38.1936-1 and a suntan!!SUBURB::ABSOLOMTJack The HatMon Apr 13 1992 17:4212
    Well, I for one saw the deluge finally come this Saturday. Excellent,
    excellent performance from Royals with Mark McGhee really doing a grand
    job holding the line.
    
    Lea Barkus is indeed a nice prospect. Kevin Dillon was very bright
    early on as well.
    
    On the opposition, Fashanu was rubbish, the keeper was worse and as for
    the left-back, (on loan from QPR), Roberto something or other, he was
    diabolical!!
    
    Tony
38.194SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Tue Apr 14 1992 12:5033
    
    Reading 6 (yes, SIX) Torquay 1 (offside).
    
    Five games without a goal followed by six in one game; getting
    promotion is all about consistency which is why Royals are languishing
    in mid-table. A great performance on Saturday albeit somewhat aided by 
    Torquay's interesting and bizarre new policy for saving on the wage
    bill: using cardboard cut-outs in place of defenders (well, I didn't
    see them move anyway).
    
    Reading's first goal since the Ice Age came on 17 minutes and what a
    goal it was: an inswinging corner straight at the keeper, who must have
    been suffering from double-vision since he flapped at a different ball
    to the one which sailed over his head and into the net. The applause
    and cheers of the crowd was drowned out by laughter.
    
    Three more goals followed in quick succession as the Torquay defence
    struggled to reach an understanding; namely, what was that white, round
    thing that kept going in the net? They pulled one back on half-time as
    the linesman, feeling a bit sorry for them, failed to flag for a
    blatant offside.
    
    Two goals in the second half for substitute Craig Maskell and Reading
    score six for the first time since Noah was a boy. (Actually, it was
    against Preston last season.)
    
    Finally, things to wonder at today: before the match, Maskell (a
    striker), was awarded Royals player of the month for March; given that
    we hadn't scored for five games this makes you wonder just how bad the
    rest of the team were. Obviously McGhee didn't think much of the award
    since Maskell started the game on the subs bench.
    
    jeff
38.195SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Wed Apr 15 1992 12:4010
    
    Preston 1 Reading 1
    
    Royals return from their trip to the far reaches of the northern
    hemisphere with a point, thanks to an 86th min. equalizer from Craig
    Maskell. If he carries on like this, the Reading fans might actually
    start to like him! (Yes, I know, and Reading might win the European Cup
    next season as well.)
    
    jeff
38.196U.T.B.N.B.NEWOA::OREILLYWed Apr 15 1992 17:0014
38.197SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Tue Apr 21 1992 12:4318
    
    Reading 1  Exeter 0
    
    Reading created more chances in this game than they have in the past
    decade but a combination of poor finishing and bloody pathetic
    finishing contrived to produce only one goal. This came after five
    minutes when Maskell lobbed over the defence for Dillon to run onto; he
    squared it for McGhee who, remembering what the goal was for,
    side-footed the ball into it. Thereafter, Royals confirmed their
    commitment to keeping the fans on the edge of their seats (or steps in
    my case) by failing to convert a hatful of simple opportunities; chief
    culprits were Robinson, McGhee, Maskell, Taylor, Jones.....well, just
    about everyone really.
    
    Exeter are "managed" by Alan Ball; and to think he nearly came to
    Reading.
    
    jeff
38.198SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Tue Apr 21 1992 12:458
    
    Bradford 1  Reading 0  (Saturday's game)
    
    Forgot about this one; probably the best thing really.
    
    jeff
    
    
38.199IOSG::HARDIEAll the best FREAKS are here.Wed Apr 22 1992 14:018
    Hi,
    
    	Anybody know what are Reading's last 3 matches of the season.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Neil
    ~~~~
38.200Last three...VOGON::KEEWed Apr 22 1992 14:186
    Sat 25th April vs Bournemouth (away)
    Wed 29th April vs Leyton O (home)
    Sat 2nd May vs Wigan (home)
    
    Martyn
    
38.201SOOOUUTH REEEAADDINGSUBURB::ABSOLOMTTeetotaltasticFri Apr 24 1992 20:474
    I'm off to Elm Park tonite to watch a local cup final between Ibis &
    South Reading.
    
    Tony
38.202And now the important news...SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Tue Apr 28 1992 14:3310
    
    Bournemouth 3 Reading 2
    
    Admist all the trivial claptrap about the First Division Championship,
    this vital third division local derby was forgotten about. 
    
    Mr OG scored again for the Royals whilst 'Mouth won with a penalty in
    the last minute.
    
    jeff
38.2033rd div. champs '93. Orient, that is.SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Thu Apr 30 1992 12:3313
    
    Reading 3   L.Orient 2
    
    Reading's turn to win by the odd goal in five (as local football
    writer's love to put it). Another couple for Maskell and one for
    McGhee.
    
    Last game on Saturday. Thank God, I hear you cry. (By you, I mean me
    'cos I don't suppose anyone out there bothers to read this mindless
    drivel about a third division side who couldn't win a southern seat for
    the Tory party.)
    
    jeff
38.204Hoops coming back to Elm Park??FORTY2::ROBERTSONYou don't wanna do it like that !!!!Thu Apr 30 1992 18:238
Heard on the radio this morning (210) that next season Reading will be wearing
their famous blue & white hoops again.

I think somehow that it may take a change of strip to get them out of division 3.

Good win last night though, Orient have been one of the in form teams this year.

Al
38.205you're havin a f***** larfSUBURB::ABSOLOMTWalk Proud Alex FergusonThu Apr 30 1992 18:4217
    A very funny moment at Elm Park last night. My bruver is an avid QPR
    fan(ho ho), and was complaining on the way to the ground about the fact
    that Reading were re-adopting the hoops. 
    
    We sat down, him still moaning that everyone would think that the shirt
    he had on would be mistaken for a Reading shirt. Anyhow, at half time
    there was a sponsorship presentation made, (you probably saw it Jeff),
    by the new sponsors to John Madjeski, the chairman. Well, he clocks my
    bruvs shirt, leans over and tells him how nice they're going to look,
    to which my ever eloquent bruvver said, "F**k off, this a QPR shirt you
    prick". 
    
    Madjeski, went red as a beetroot as did exactly that.
    
    How we laughed.
    
    Tony
38.206SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Thu Apr 30 1992 19:0510
    
    Ho, ho
    
    You're bruv isn't Kevin Dillon by any chance, is he?
    
    On the subject of a return to hoops, I confidently predict that this
    will lead to Reading storming the division next season and being
    promoted by Christmas. But then again, I'm a bloody idiot.
    
    jeff
38.207SUBURB::ABSOLOMTWalk Proud Alex FergusonFri May 01 1992 14:054
    Yeh, Kevin Dillon isn't himself at present is he?? Every game he seems
    to stay on. Must be a tongue injury.
    
    Tony
38.208Another one out of retirement?SED750::SADATTarik Sadat: London South TCCFri May 01 1992 17:217
So will us Biscuits be putting a team into the noters' 5-a-side.

As the Home side I think we should... (even though the injured Mr Robertson
will be unable offer his services - you're a bit young to be married aren't you
Al ;-)??? )

Tarik
38.209SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Fri May 01 1992 17:306
    
    Well, I'm game.
    
    I'm also willing to play football.
    
    jeff
38.210SUBURB::ABSOLOMTWalk Proud Alex FergusonFri May 01 1992 17:456
    Errm, I'm in. This means I'm letting down the Millwall, spit, team I'd
    put my name to.
    
    So that's three of us.
    
    Tone.
38.211FORTY2::ROBERTSONYou don't wanna do it like that !!!!Fri May 01 1992 21:216
You could be right there Tarik. Next you'll be telling me I'm to old to have 
2 kids right???? ;-)

I'll definitely see you on the 13th for a bevvy or 2.

Al
38.212Reading 3 (0) - Wigan 2 (2)FORTY2::ROBERTSONYou don't wanna do it like that !!!!Tue May 05 1992 14:4417
Reading finished their campaign with what would seem on paper to be an exciting
last half hour. It brought memories of the Plymouth game a few years ago rushing
back.

Wigan were 2 up within 15 minutes. Then with half an hour to go Reading get a
penalty, which Maskell put away. Then in the last 10 minutes McGhee gets an
equaliser, and then ???? gets a winner in the last minute. A good way to finish
the season, considering Wigan beat runners up Birmingham 3-0 in mid week, and it
put Royals in the top half in 12th position.

Now the rebuilding starts. There are 10 players whose contracts are up and only
a couple will be re-signed. Amongst the 10 are Senior, Lovell, Holtzman, cannot
remember the rest.

Roll on August. I might even start going to watch the odd game again next season.

Al
38.213Ha! The final Senoir Service headlineSUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Tue May 05 1992 16:0321
    
    For an hour of Saturday's game Reading looked to be just going through
    the motions; in fact, the way Senior was lolloping round the pitch, it
    looked like he'd just HAD a motion. Wigan, one of the division's form
    teams, were quicker and more eager, and took a two goal lead courtesy
    of some laughable defending, particularly the first when Senior
    contrived to headbutt Macpherson on the nose thus allowing the ball to
    fall to a Wigan forward.
    
    The turning point in the match came when Francis was injured (I think
    he came two feet off his line and so suffered a dizzy spell) and the
    ubiquitous Senior went in goal. At this point the Reading players
    seemed to realise that if they didn't start trying, they might lose by
    double figures. Hence they upped gear (from neutral) and proceeded to
    outplay Wigan for the final third of the game. Lovell got the winner in
    the 89th minute. Actually, Senior looked a damn sight better in goal
    than he had on pitch, including one tremendous flying save when the
    score was 2 - 1. Perhaps they've found a new niche for him. But then
    again, perhaps not.
    
    jeff
38.214And now...a load of old drivelSUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Thu May 07 1992 12:5537
    
    And so, a season that promised little and delivered less, comes to a
    close. Back in August, we looked forward to mid-table mediocrity, early
    exits from the cups, ever-worsening attendances and behind-the-scenes
    mumblings about financial ruin and that is exactly what we got. With
    the advent of the premier league, Reading are perhaps further away than
    ever from mixing it with the top-flight; the Pontins league is a more
    realistic proposition.
    
    On the playing front, the Royals were too inconsistent and suffered all
    season from an inability to score. A few good results were invariably
    followed by half-a-dozen bad ones; all season mid-table beckoned as we
    looked too good to go down but nowhere near good enough to go up.
    Gilkes was farmed out to various suckers but this meant that we
    struggled to create chances. Coupled with a forward line that lacked
    the power to worry defences, there were times when it looked like we'd
    never score again. This changed encouragingly in the last few games of
    the season, when McGhee seemed to find some form and Maskell began to
    look interested at last. 
    
    Of the players, this season should be seen as a transitional period
    when the old staff of Senior, Jones, Streete etc were replaced by
    younger, hopefully better, players like Williams, Lovell and Barkus.
    These young players are the future of Reading for the simple reason
    that we cannot afford to buy from outside. However, given the catchment
    area for Reading (remember that with the demise of Aldershot, we are
    now the only league football team for about 40 miles in each direction)
    surely we can produce a good young side, in a similar way to Portsmouth
    under Jim Smith.
    
    Next season, Reading must look to build a young team, capable of taking
    them up a division and then to challenge for greater honours. With
    practically the whole population of the Thames valley to choose from,
    surely we can produce a side able to compete with the likes of
    Cambridge, Southend etc.
    
    jeff
38.215Eh?SED750::SADATTarik Sadat: London South TCCThu May 07 1992 21:105
Al, so are you "making yourself available for selection" then?

Maybe if somebody knows where Simon Trinder is we could get him to join up too!

T
38.216SUBURB::WAITEGMILLWALL PRIDE OF SOUTH LONDONThu May 07 1992 21:121
    Is he any good.
38.217PEKING::JOLLYLViva la rock .... the killer lives onFri May 08 1992 16:329
    
    If you want Simon you'll have to mail him.  Since he was transferred to
    TBG he can no longer access notes (he did have a spell using GPC but
    that's been disabled).  Simon play's regularly for the TTB 5's against
    other fanzine teams and normally plays in goal.
    
    Simon Trinder@wlc,
    
    Loz. 
38.218Ya daft whoo-erSUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Tue May 19 1992 18:398
    
    Is anyone interested in entering a Reading team for the Noter's comp.
    (providing there's still time) or shall I prostitute myself and play
    for the "All-Stars"?
    
    Or shall I just prostitute myself?
    
    jeff
38.219I thought we'd been here before?SED750::SADATTarik Sadat: London South TCCFri May 22 1992 21:266
Well, as I said, I want to play, but we may have to transfer a couple of
players in if we are to get a team together...

I think there should be at least four of us. Surely we can get a fifth?

Tarik
38.220Short and Sweet.........PEKING::JOLLYLViva la rock .... the killer lives onWed May 27 1992 20:3511
38.221Back to the basenoteVOGON::KEEThu May 28 1992 14:539
    Fascinating stuff but what about the topic for this notesfile ?
    Gilkes in possible swap deal for Gavin MacGuire of Portsmouth.
    Trev considering "big money move" to er, what was it, er hum
    Woking. Of the GMVC that is.
    
    Any other gems ?
    
    Martyn
    
38.222Super hoops !SUBURB::LAINSBURYAI couldn't believe it !Mon Jun 01 1992 17:597
    I've been away for a few months but I'm back now - can someone
    elaborate on this 5-a-side thing - when/what is/was it ?
    
    If it's still to come count me in - I'm better than Mike Conroy (honest
    !)
    
    Andy..
38.223THIS....I gotta see !!!!!MIACT::CARTERRConfused of Birmingham..Fri Jun 05 1992 18:039
    Is it true? .... Are we really going to stuff the Red Devils.
    
    Too, Too good to be true. Even under a Tory government.
    
    Any news on getting tickets...
    
    Ta,
    
    Richard.
38.224Man UtdSUBURB::LAINSBURYAI couldn't believe it !Wed Jun 10 1992 17:508
    Re -1
    
    
    Tickets go on sale in two weeks time.
    The match is on August 6th.
    
    
    Andy..
38.225SUBURB::ABSOLOMTIn ma flavmobile col' lampinMon Jun 15 1992 14:187
    Well, if Reading do half as well as we did on Saturday then they'll
    be alright.
    
    A cracking all-round display, only beaten by a bunch of non-Millwall
    fans, with a ringer chucked in for luck.
    
    Tony
38.226Sour grapes ??SUBURB::LAINSBURYAI couldn't believe it !Mon Jun 15 1992 16:557
    I still reckon we should have won - there were no after tournament drug
    tests and I'm pretty sure a couple of Millwall boys had Benzene thrown
    in with their orange juices.
    
    I'm sick as a parrot, but the lads done well.
    
    Andy..
38.227nobbledSUBURB::ABSOLOMTIn ma flavmobile col' lampinMon Jun 15 1992 18:124
    Just to make you all feel better, my ankle has swelled up like a tennis
    ball.
    
    Tony
38.228All's well that ends MaxwellSUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Wed Jul 01 1992 18:0814
    
    Chairman John Madjeski has bought Cap'n Bob's shares in Reading FC and
    now owns 87% of the club. This finally closes an era which began when
    the fat crook tried to amalgamate Reading and Oxford and thereafter
    tried to buy every club in the known universe.
    
    No news on the transfer front although various deals have been mooted
    in the local rags. But then they've probably made them all up as
    they've got nothing else to write about.
    
    jeff
    
    ps. I'm allowed to call him a fat crook as he's dead and can't sue me.
        According to Ian Hislop, that is.
38.229Maskell on his way ??PEKING::ROSECWed Jul 01 1992 18:203
    Looks as if Maskell is set to join Swindon.
    
    First game of the season is away to Hartlepool.
38.230sadKERNEL::HAWLEYIWe're not worthy!Wed Jul 01 1992 19:148
    
    > Looks as if Maskell is set to join Swindon.
    
    ah! i wondered why he wasnt commentating on Wimbledon anymore!
    
    :-)
    
    Ian.
38.231Dropping like flies...SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Thu Jul 02 1992 20:2513
    
    Well, tomorrow's my last day at DEC so I'd just like to say thanks and
    good luck to all you noters and I wish your teams every success (unless
    they're playing the Royals of course).
    
    It's been great fun particpating in this conference so keep up the good 
    work. Special thanks to Mike McCabe for organising the noter's
    tournament and to the other Reading lads for such a sterling
    performance in reaching the final.
    
    Good luck one and all,
    
    jeff 
38.232ciaoEICMFG::HOWEAlice in ordnungThu Jul 02 1992 20:3810
    I hope your as lucky as...
    
    Sunderland and..
    
    as successful as...
    
    Newcastle !!! 8-)
    
    Have fun...
    
38.233Till we meet again, dont know where, dont know when...XSTACY::MDUNPHYThe Hit ManThu Jul 02 1992 20:529
Good luck Jeff,

and 

Good luck Reading :-))


Mick
		
38.234KERNEL::HAWLEYIWe're not worthy!Thu Jul 02 1992 21:056
    
    bye Jeff!
    
    good luck for the future.
    
    Ian.
38.235NEWOA::MORANWey not likely!!Thu Jul 02 1992 21:084
    
    Good luck Jeff.
    
    Tim
38.236Abandon Ship.BAHTAT::BLYTHELeeds United. Champions 91-92Thu Jul 02 1992 21:093
    Good luck Jeff.
    
    jb_also_on_his_way.
38.237FarewellESSB::BLONGRumbleows &amp; Euro Super Cup Winners 92Thu Jul 02 1992 22:184
38.238NEWOA::MORANWey not likely!!Thu Jul 02 1992 23:444
    
    At this rate, a "sorry I'm leaving" topic would seem appropriate.
    
    Sorry to hear you're leaving too jb. 
38.239Good Luck.ESSB::MCUNNIFFEI'M THE BEST FOOTBALLER IN DECFri Jul 03 1992 01:146
   Good luck Jeff

      Regards,

       Martin
38.240sad times...TRUCKS::SANTlurching from disaster to apocalypse..Fri Jul 03 1992 12:567
    
    	Bon voyage, Jeff. Be lucky.
    
    	And what's this about jon blyhte departing the piece? Surely
    	not?!?! 8-( 8-(
    
    	Andy.
38.241Kirkpatrick on transfer list !!SUBURB::LAINSBURYAFri Jul 03 1992 16:3320
    Jeese Jeff, Whose a popular boy eh ?
    Thanks for helping Reading reach the final in the 5-a-side, we wouldn't
    have made it without you.
    All the best.
    
    Re; back to the Reading topic.
    Reading have signed Tom Jones (NO 'ITS NOT UNUSUAL' JOKES PLEASE!) from
    Swindon in exchange for Maskell. They are also on the verge of signing
    Phil Robinson ? from Bury ?. I can't remember too well, I was half
    asleep when it came on the radio.
    
    Also I had a visit round my house yesterday from someone from the club
    doing a 'boost the attendance drive' asking me if I planned to watch
    the super hoops in action this year ! Is Trevor Senior a donkey ?
    Anyway, it's a big task going around the houses of all the names on
    their lists. (ex-card members, FDS members etc.) and big John M must be
    getting desperate. (I think the insurance on his Jag has gone up.)
    Anybody else had a visit.
    
    Andy.. 
38.242SED750::SADATTarik Sadat: London South TCCFri Jul 03 1992 17:069
Good luck Jeff!! One of the more articulate and thoughtful contributors to this
conference I might say...

So is this the beginning of the break-up of that great
noters-tournament-cup-final team???

Stay tuned...

Tarik
38.243LARVAE::MUNSON_PLife's so stressful...Fri Jul 03 1992 17:413
38.244PEKING::JOLLYLViva la rock .... the killer lives onFri Jul 03 1992 17:555
    
    All the best Jeff, I'm glad I got a chance to meet you during the
    torny,
    
    Loz.
38.245UTROP1::JANSENReading Blondes have more funFri Jul 03 1992 18:575
Jeff,

Be good.

T_
38.246Bye!SUBURB::INV_LIBRARYWho hell he?!?Fri Jul 03 1992 20:478
    
    On my last note, a prediction:
    
    Reading to win the second division by ten clear points!
    
    Er, I think I've been drinking at lunchtime.
    
    jeff
38.247And our Trev's off tooAIMTEC::WICKS_ADEC Mail Works for ME sometimesTue Jul 07 1992 21:518
    Is it true that our Trev has gone to Woking for less than that Italian
    chappie got transferred for??
    
    Is he the last of the great Simod cup winning side to go (:==:)
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
38.248It's Maidstone Utd.SUBURB::LAINSBURYAWed Jul 08 1992 16:297
    	Only Francis, Richardson, and Gilkes are left of the Simod Cup
    team. Incidentally, Trev never actually played for Reading in the Simod
    Cup year, he was on his travels at Watford/Middlesborough.
    
    We've got Maidstone in the first round of the Rumbelows.
    
    Andy..
38.249PEKING::BAREFIELDAWed Jul 08 1992 18:237
    
    Is the Man-U game in august all ticket, should be a good game.
    
    I hear that the away fence is the only one now left up..
    
    ANDY.B
    
38.250Oh no! Yet another FREE transfer!SED750::SADATTarik Sadat: London South TCCThu Jul 09 1992 21:3415
Well,

It seems that the Digital "retained list" has just been published and I'm not
on it...!

I'm afraid that like jb up in Leeds, after seven years, I shall be a Digital
employee no more as of Monday 13th July - actually I volunteered for it.

So to all you football fans out there goodbye, it's been great reading and
replying to all your comments and banter - I'll miss them. Good luck to you all
and to your teams whoever and wherever they may be!

Tarik

I'll be back...!
38.251Reading Noters team disintegrates !!!FORTY2::ROBERTSONYou don't wanna do it like that !!!!Fri Jul 10 1992 16:1013
Tarik,
	So you managed to escape :-)

	Best of luck in what you choose to do, and if you ever feel like a lunch
time drink, give me a bell x3838.

	I may see you at Elm Park one of these days. Now that I've had to stop
playing, and I haven't got a satellite dish, It'll be about the only live footy
I'll get to see.

All the best

Al
38.252SUBURB::ABSOLOMTOtis, you a trampMon Jul 13 1992 16:258
    Farewell Tarik!
    
    The only man I know who half way thru a footy tournament drove home and
    back to get a headband for his glasses.
    
    Goodluck geezer.
    
    Tony
38.253Looking good....SUBURB::LAINSBURYAMon Jul 27 1992 17:0914
    Well, the season is nearly upon us. I went to see the royals entertain
    Swindon Friday night when we won 2-1. I left when it was 1-0, a
    brilliantly worked goal by McGhee from a decent and accurate (!!!)
    Gilkes cross. Quinn was a bit quiet but I was reasonably impressed with
    Parkinson and Jones. Jones was playing left back and was abit
    uncomfortable defending, but looked good going forward. Parkinson is a
    Dillon clone. Scott Taylor also impressed, and even McGhee looked
    sharp.
    
    There was some good football, but the atmosphere (or lack of it) ruined
    what could have been a good game. Swindon should have scored a couple
    more but were trying to walk the ball into the back of the net.
    
    Andy..
38.254PEKING::ROSECMon Jul 27 1992 17:466
    The remainder of the game was equally good.  McGhee scored a great
    second goal before Swindon scored with a last minute penalty.
    
    The new back pass rule takes a bit of getting used to!!!
    
    Overall, Reading played well......and the ball stays on the deck !!!
38.255Reading go downODDONE::CAPEL_SWed Jul 29 1992 20:1813
    
    
    	Reading 0  Portsmouth 1
    
    Not a bad game to watch.  Portsmouth look a good bet for promotion.
    Reading are giving the ball away too much in midfield thus putting the
    defence into trouble.
    
    
    Shaun
    
    
    p.s  Next game  v. Ipswich (7.45pm)
38.256All ticket???SHAWB1::STOCKMANSFri Jul 31 1992 20:437
Can anybody tell me if the Reading - MAN.UTD game next
thursday is all ticket or pay on the turnstiles job?

I've heard you can pay on the night but just wanted to
verify before I made the trip.

Simon (from Reading but lives in Manc)
38.257Be there or be square..OPG::TONYFri Jul 31 1992 21:2611
Simon,

Its NOT an all-ticket game...All seats have been sold but the club told me
that we'll be able to pay at the turnstiles for standing on the night..!!

7:45 kick off..

see you there


Tony
38.258SHAWB1::STOCKMANSFri Jul 31 1992 21:331
Cheers Tony.
38.259TRUCKS::SANTlurching from disaster to apocalypse..Sat Aug 01 1992 00:024
    
    	Excellent news...
    
    	Andy (anybody want to share the trip to/from the South coast?)
38.260Missed the game!! :-(FORTY2::ROBERTSONYou don't wanna do it like that !!!!Mon Aug 10 1992 20:5713
Bl**dy typical,

	I finally get the chance to see Reading play a decent team, a signed pass
from the wife and what happens, I get a bad case of the flu, which even I
couldn't shake off for the 7-45 kick-off. The first time I've been ill in ages.

	So I didn't get to see the game. :-( :-(

	Could someone put in a report from Royals point of view???

	Cheers

Al
38.261Reading v Man.Utd 'XI'SUBURB::LAINSBURYAThu Aug 13 1992 17:2321
    Al,
    
    Can't remember that far back but it was a good game.
    Mostly Utd reserves, but still a strong team (inc Webb, Wallace,
    Phelan, Donaghy, Robins)
    Reading played good football and I thought they deserved to win.
    Our goal was a 20 yrd free-kick by Clayton bent round the wall -
    superb. It was a shame that it was the only thing he did all game.
    The Utd goal was just before half time when our defence were thinking
    of their cuppa.
    Best players -IMO - Dillon and Barkus (first half)
    Quinn missed an open goal before the end but he was stretching.
    
    Overall, it looks good for the coming season, bring back the FDS !
    
    On a fan note, I wander how many the Utd 'fans' at the game have ever
    been to Old Trafford - not many.  There were too many 'The're a good
    team, I'll support them, even though I live 250 miles away' sort of
    people.
    
    Andy..
38.262Up the Royals! Erm Red Devils!SUBURB::ABSOLOMTOtis, you a trampSun Aug 16 1992 19:593
    Erm, a bit like me really. Ho! Ho!
    
    Tony
38.263PEKING::BAREFIELDACHELSEA FOOTBALL CLUBMon Aug 17 1992 17:3911
    
    
    HARTLEPOOL 1 READING 1
    
     Reading played well taking the lead with a goal from jimmy quinn.
     Steve Richardson gave Hartlepool a penalty minutes from time to 
     draw the game..
    
     ANDY.....B
    
    
38.264BoooooooooooSUBURB::LAINSBURYAMon Aug 17 1992 22:0012
    RE: -2
    
    Tony,
    
    You traitor you.., I thought I saw you in an Manc shirt the other week.
    How can you support that standard of football when we have the masters
    of the art down at Elm Park.
    
    Andy..
    
    P.S I presume Reading have a bye in the first round of the Happy
    Shopper Lemonade Cup, sorry... Coca Cola Cup.
38.265Can't beat the feelingFORTY2::ROBERTSONYou don't wanna do it like that !!!!Tue Aug 18 1992 14:279
>    P.S I presume Reading have a bye in the first round of the Happy
>    Shopper Lemonade Cup, sorry... Coca Cola Cup.

	According to CEEFAX this morning, we do. When did we last make
it to the 2nd round?? :-)

Al

P.S. Thanks for the report on the Man U game
38.266you learn something new every daySUBURB::ABSOLOMTBelieve in yourself, not -ismsTue Aug 25 1992 20:344
38.267EIEIEIOSUBURB::LAINSBURYAWed Aug 26 1992 18:0410
    Tony,
    
    You're quicker off the mark than Old Trevor ever was !
    
    Andy.
    
    P.S Prediction after Saturdays disappointing result.
    
    Bolton 1 Reading 2    (McGhee and Taylor)
			
38.268 COCA COLA CUP PEKING::BAREFIELDACHELSEA FOOTBALL CLUBThu Aug 27 1992 11:475
    
    Has the Coca Cola cup draw been made yet, if so who did Reading get..
    
    Andy...B
    
38.269 cheers anyway..PEKING::BAREFIELDACHELSEA FOOTBALL CLUBThu Aug 27 1992 11:545
    
    Its alright i have just seen the paper, Watford over two legs.
    
    Andy....B
    
38.270NewcomerMACNAS::CWALSHThu Aug 27 1992 21:288
    My name is Colm Walsh and I work in DEC in Galway and am going to
    Reading next Monday on business. Could someone please fill me in on 
    the football action over there next week and of the surrounding areas.
    This is my first visit to Reading so I know nothing about the place.
    
    BTW I support Man Utd so if there are any utd fans over there why not
    respond and we can go see Reading playing.
    
38.271PEKING::ROSECThu Aug 27 1992 22:592
    Reading are at home to Hull City on Saturday the 5th Sept - they do not
    have a midweek game.
38.272want a gameMACNAS::CWALSHTue Sep 01 1992 18:053
    Is there a DEC football club in Reading, if so do they train ??
    Where and when ??
    Details would be much appreciated.
38.273PEKING::COSSEYNTue Sep 01 1992 19:038
    
    
     Digital Reading have two sides in the Sunday league. One in the
     Premier and one in division 5 if you contact me on 7830 1342 i'll
     give you all the details....
    
       Neil...
     
38.274Reading 1 - Hull 2 (3,500)METSYS::STEVENSONAlboy.EDI ENGINEERING DTN 3472 REO D4/3FMon Sep 07 1992 12:4571
38.275WHO'S THE ****** IN THE GREEN !PEKING::ROSECMon Sep 07 1992 13:425
    Re last paragraph of last note - the Reading defender used his knee to
    pass it to Francis.
    
    You forgot to mention the FIVE Reading players booked in the first 50
    minutes.
38.276METSYS::STEVENSONAlboy.EDI ENGINEERING DTN 3472 REO D4/3FMon Sep 07 1992 13:5918
>>                      <<< Note 38.275 by PEKING::ROSEC >>>
>>                      -< WHO'S THE ****** IN THE GREEN ! >-

>>    Re last paragraph of last note - the Reading defender used his knee to
>>    pass it to Francis.
  
	Ahhhhh.......  couldn't see that from my end....he had his back to us.
	Cheers..

  
>>    You forgot to mention the FIVE Reading players booked in the first 50
>>    minutes.
	
	Yeah....    The Ref' gave out more cards than Access do in a year  *8]

				

				Alboy..
38.277Prediction: West Brom 1 Reading 2SUBURB::LAINSBURYAMon Sep 07 1992 16:2323
    Could you believe that referee !!!
    
    I have never in my life left a ground so frustrated and annoyed. I
    think Reading were actually the better team, apart from the first 15
    minutes when we were warming up.
    But that ref....
    Picture this:
    Hull guy playing injured lying right in the middle of the penalty area.
    Referee plays on for another couple of minutes whil Reading are
    defending and Hull are playing about on the wing. Ball breaks to Tom
    Jones who sends Barkus through with a superb ball.
    Yep, you've guessed it... Phhhheeeeeeep ! The Ref blows up for some
    attention to the pansy on the floor !!!!
    
    I spoke to a couple of Hull guys after the game, and they admitted the
    ref was terrible, and that they were lucky. The ref was reported by
    Bradford last year for another pretty inept performance.
    
    I'm still fuming.
    As for Reading's dismal start, I'm still optimistic. Chris, your money
    looks lost and it's only September !
    
    Andy..
38.278Light at the end of the tunnelPEKING::ROSECTue Sep 08 1992 12:486
    Andy,
    
    I'm the eternal optimist.  I still think Reading will do well this
    season (he says hopefully  !!!).
    
    Away to WBA on Wednesday.
38.279Still fuming...SUBURB::LAINSBURYATue Sep 08 1992 16:4612
    
    
    
    Evening Post last night.
    
    Shots on Target: Reading 10 Hull 5
    Off Target:      Reading  9 Hull 2
    Also Hull commited more fouls yet we got 5 yellows and a red !!!!!
    
    And we lost.....I still can't believe it.
    
    
38.280SUBURB::LAINSBURYAThu Sep 10 1992 17:3824
    
    West Brom 3 Reading 0
    
    What can I say.... muggins here thought he'd make the trip. What a
    wasted journey !  
    McGhee made a few changes to the team: Barkus in for Gilkes, Dillon in
    for McGhee, Hopkins in for Richardson, a more defensive line up.
    Reading started well and had more than their fair share of possesion in
    the first half, and could be considered unlucky to be 1-0 down at
    half-time, a superb strike from Simon Garner (ex-Blackburn).
    We were all looking to the second half with baited breath (caused by
    the dodgy hamburgers they were selling ).
    For 35 minutes of the half Reading never had a sniff, West Brom were
    playing some good football, and Reading were chasing shadows. When they
    did catch the player, it normally resulted in a foul. Parkinson, Dillon
    Hopkins and Taylor getting booked (Dillon for mouth surprise surprise)
    This culminated in Parkinson getting sent off for a trip (no way a
    sending off offence).
    Suddenly things started looking up. McGhee replaced Taylor, and we had
    two or three chances, Quinn and McGhee going close.
    Suddenly - bang bang 3-0 !
    Just to rub salt in the wounds Quinn hit the post in the last minute.
    
    The best team won, but 3-0 was a bit flattering
38.281ESSB::SGREENJamboThu Sep 10 1992 22:0520
     >>                  <<< Note 38.280 by SUBURB::LAINSBURYA >>>
    
    
     >>   West Brom 3 Reading 0
    
     >>   What can I say.... muggins here thought he'd make the trip. What a
     >>   wasted journey !
     
     Tek art aer kid - methinks many better teams than Reading F.C will
     be leaving the Hawthorns this season on the wrong end of a Baggies
     beating. It was interesting to see that the crowd of 13,000+  was 
     more than turned out for either the Scotland or Wales games.
                             
     For any others contemplating this perilous journey I can recommend 
     a post match trip to the Bull & Bladder in Brierly Hill for a few pints 
     of Bathams and a couple of bags of pork scratchins (ask for the hairy
     ones), as a suitable antidote to such a drubbing.
    
     Aynuk 
                 
38.282PEKING::ROSECFri Sep 11 1992 17:539
    Just a note to outline the sort of luck? Reading are currently getting.
    
    Match facts:  WBA shots on target - 4
    	 	  Reading shots on target - 6
    
    By the way, Steve Francis has asked for a transfer after being dropped
    on Wednesday.
    
    No game on Saturday - next game, Rotherham at home next Wednesday.
38.2833 POINTS !PEKING::ROSECThu Sep 17 1992 12:1521
    READING 3   ROTHERHAM 1
    
    Not a great performance from Reading but at least it was three points.
    For the first hour had Rotherham taken their chances they would have
    been leading.  Then, three goals in three minutes.  Firstly Quinn (who
    ran a lone battle up front all night) with a shot from the edge of the
    area, then Quinn again running through with just the goalie to beat.
    Finally Gilkes lobbed the goalie from the corner of the penalty area.
    Three great goals.  Rotherham pulled one back within five minutes but
    Reading held on.  Hislop, Reading's new keeper, made one superb save
    and his distribution (although sometimes erratic) is fairly impressive. 
    A couple of times he THREW the ball past the half-way line and one of
    goal kicks bounced on the edge of Rotherham's penalty area.
    
    Maybe the performance in the first hour was down to nerves, but Reading
    still lacked something.  However, the result was important and Reading
    moved from 24th to 20th in the table.
    
    Wigan at home on Saturday.
    
    Chris
38.284JIMMY QUINN !!!PEKING::ROSECTue Sep 22 1992 17:347
    READING 4   WIGAN  0
    
    Totally deserved result.  Reading dominated the game and scored four
    superb goals.  Wigan did not have one shot on target.  
    Those who missed it - tough !!
    
    Away to Watford tonight in the Coca-Cola Cup.
38.285Watford 2 - 2 ReadingFORTY2::ROBERTSONYou don't wanna do it like that !!!!Wed Sep 23 1992 15:4910
A good draw for the Royals At Watford Last night.

Reading managed to equalize twice through Quinn & Williams, the second in the
87th minute.

Good chance of proceding to the next round.

When's the return leg??

Al
38.286Return legUBOHUB::CAPEL_SWed Sep 23 1992 16:207
    
    The return leg is on :
    
                          Wednesday 7th October
    
    
      Shaun
38.287Chesterfield in Round 3 ?SUBURB::LAINSBURYAWed Sep 23 1992 16:3425
    WATFORD 2 READING 2
    -------------------
    
    The Royals more than deserved their draw,  both of Watfords goals
    against the run of play.
    
    It was difficult to see the game properly from Watfords crappy terrace,
    but the first half was pretty even, Quinn equalising soon after
    Watfords goal, with a virtual open goal from 18 yards when ??? shot got
    blocked. Someone, couldn't see who, too far away, also hit the post for
    Reading after a scramble.
    The second half Reading played good football and were the better team ,
    Watford taking the lead early when McPherson slipped allowing Furlong
    to beat Shaka 1 to 1.  By the end of the game the pitch was like a
    paddling pool and Reading's slick passing began to get stuck, but we
    stuck to it and PArkinson in paticular was really strong in midfield. A
    succession of corners near the end allowed Williams to head home whilst
    the Watford keeper was doing a Bruce Grobelaar flapping at thin air.
    
    
    Back to Elm Park and guess who's gonna miss it.
    
    After Wigan and Watford the Royals are on their way back.
    
    Andy..
38.288SUBURB::ABSOLOMTNorthy Arms ForeverWed Sep 23 1992 16:484
    The paper today quotes Jimmy Quinn as a bargain buy. Any opinions on
    this??
    
    Tony
38.289Best buy for years!!!FORTY2::ROBERTSONYou don't wanna do it like that !!!!Thu Sep 24 1992 15:0610
When you consider his record with Bournemouth, he has to be a good buy.

You just have to look at the last 3 games to see the benefit. He's scored 5
times. Reading were sadly lacking up front last year, I think we should be
alright this year.

confidence seems to be high at the moment so let's hope we can pull out of the
bottom half of the table, and get a good cup run.

Al (Trying to get a pass for the 7th)
38.2903 Wins on the trotFORTY2::ROBERTSONYou don't wanna do it like that !!!!Mon Sep 28 1992 15:156
I put the mockers on Quinn with my last reply, as he didn't score on Saturday :-)

However Lovell did, Brighton didn't. Reading March on toward mid-table med...
I mean Division 1

Al
38.291RADIO 5 6.00PM SATURDAYPEKING::BAREFIELDACHELSEA FOOTBALL CLUBMon Sep 28 1992 16:5710
    
    Did anybody hear the Danny Baker show on radio 5 on saturday, they have 
    a phone in for fans that have been to matches on that day. Anyway
    they had some nut from Brighton complaining about Brighton having to
    wear their away strip for a home match and also said that Reading
    had pinched the idea of blue and white hooped shirts from QPR.
    Bad losers or what.. 
    
     ANDY....B
    
38.2920-3SEDOAS::DEVEREUXMon Sep 28 1992 17:513
    Looks like a good stuffing for Reading coming up on friday night.
    
    Kev
38.293Sick as a seagull..SUBURB::LAINSBURYAMon Sep 28 1992 17:529
    Re:-1
    
    We were listening to it on the way home from Brighton - you can imagine
    our reaction....
    
    ...Yyyaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhh
    
    
    Andy..
38.294Blue and yellow hoops?????CHEFS::HOUSEBMon Sep 28 1992 18:319
    I thought the Brighton fan was right, everybody knows Brighton wear
    blue so why travel with just a blue kit to Brighton ???
    
    Sums up the Reading mentality........
    
    		Brian.
    
    :-)
    
38.295YUPPY::PANESFull mental racketMon Sep 28 1992 18:4414
                      <<< Note 38.294 by CHEFS::HOUSES >>>
                        -< Blue and yellow hoops????? >-

>    I thought the Brighton fan was right, everybody knows Brighton wear
>    blue so why travel with just a blue kit to Brighton ???
    



      Everyone knows that Brighton wear discarded Tesco's bags ( see Eagle
      Eyes passim ).

      Stuart    

38.296Change the kit !SUBURB::LAINSBURYAMon Sep 28 1992 20:389
    
    Ok, Reading shouldn't have taken blue, but the home kit is
    predominantly blue as well. This is a bit stupid - but surely the league
    have to approve team colours ???
    
    As for the discarded tesco bags - I agree.
    Their away kit is red with a splattering of seagull droppings.
    
    Andy..
38.297Royals 3 - 0 FulhamBIBROK::ROBERTSONAin't it marvelousMon Oct 05 1992 15:3510
Reading got their fourth win in a row on friday night, against Fulham.

2-0 at half-time, Own goal & Lovell(??) and a third added late by Gilkes.

According to R210, it was one of the best displays from The Royals in a long
time, which was made even more impressive by the weather conditions.

Watford on Wed in the Coke Cup, I hope to be there. Should be a good game

Al 
38.298FORTY2::ASHGrahame Ash @REOMon Oct 05 1992 16:344
Gilkes' goal was pure class - good to see him playing again - has he settled 
all his differences now?

g
38.299BIBROK::ROBERTSONAin't it marvelousMon Oct 05 1992 17:3110
Grahame,
	It would appear so

	From what I read in the evening post couple of weeks ago, he is feeling
very positive again now, The first time since breaking his leg, and his
confidence is sky high.

	I hope he turns it on against Watford on Wed.

Al
38.300SHAWB1::STOCKMANSMon Oct 05 1992 17:336
It's to see Reading winning for a change.

A look at the table suggests they may even get out of that 
middle table syndrome!

Si...
38.301BOYS IN BLUE IN DIVISION AND WONT BE HERE FOR LONGPEKING::BAREFIELDACHELSEA FOOTBALL CLUBTue Oct 06 1992 10:468
    
    A good crowd at Elm park 7200 on friday, i dont think any of them
    could really complain about what they had seen. It's one the best
    matches that i have seen down there for years. Should be a big crowd
    also for Watford on wednesday...
    
    Andy.....B\
    
38.302 CRAP! WHAT ELSE CAN YOU SAYPEKING::BAREFIELDANEVER FELT MORE LIKE SINGING THE BLUESThu Oct 08 1992 11:0211
    
    What a load of rubbish, apart from ten minutes of the second half 
    when they managed to keep the ball on the floor. Reading would 
    not have scored if they had been there all night. Whats the point
    of short corners, i thought the point was to get the ball in the 
    goal mouth, not play it short and lose it. Oh well back to two
    and half thousand for the next match and i dont blame the people
    who dont go....
    
    Andy....B
    
38.303SUBURB::ABSOLOMTNorthy Arms ForeverThu Oct 08 1992 13:175
    Who did Watford get in the next round??
    
    Tony
    
    
38.304Royals 0 - watford 2BIBROK::ROBERTSONAin't it marvelousThu Oct 08 1992 13:5738
re -.1

	Watford have drawn Leeds Utd. (or Scunthorpe!!! )

	Well I went last night, and the Royals unfortunately got Man Utd.
syndrome (Couldn't put the ball in the back of the net)

	It's the first time I've been since a dull 0-0 draw v Swansea a couple
of seasons ago, and I have to say that although we lost, I enjoyed watching the
team trying to play football, although it didn't come off most of the time.

	Watford seemed content with letting Reading take the game to them for
the full 90 minutes, and make the odd trip into the Reading half on the
counter, and this paid off in the 34th minute, with a swift break. Reading
managed a couple of efforts in the first half. The best to Gilkes, but he shot
straight at the keeper.

	I felt that it was only going to be a matter of time before we scored in
the second half. However, Jones hoofed the best effort over from 8 yards, 
Gilkes did some good work on the left to give himself a shooting chance but also
shot over, and at one point the ball was pushed into the six yard box by jamie
Lambert, and just needed a touch, but there was no-one there :-(

	By the comments around me, Lovell was sorely missed, he was out with
a virus, and his replacement, Scott Taylor, although sound in the first half,
totally lost it in the second and was finally pulled off. At one point in the
second half, There was a 2 on 2 situation. Taylor had the ball and Quinn was
moving like an express train through the middle. A ball between the defenders
would have put him clean through, but no he squared the ball to Gilkes who was 
closed down in no time.

	The tie was killed off in the 88th minute, when a teasing cross from the
left fooled everyone, including the keeper and found the far corner.

	Anyway, I enjoyed the game, and I can see myself becoming a more regular
visitor to Elm Park again.

Al
38.305Pred: Hudders 1 Royals 2SUBURB::LAINSBURYAThu Oct 08 1992 16:0617
    At last someone who seemed to be watching the same game as me - too
    many people expect Reading to be playing international class football
    and moan when they don't produce.
    
    The second half Reading played well, but I can't understand why McGhee
    was playing Taylor upfront - what was wrong with himself if Lovell was
    ill - has McGhee finally hung his boots up ?  Lambert would have been a
    better choice - Taylor battles well but he's no forward.
    
    Watford learnt from the first game and closed us down too quickly for
    us to play football.
    
    Anyway back to the league now - we're going for thirteen wins on the
    trot again.
    
    Andy..
    
38.306SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAhhhh, PigsyMon Oct 19 1992 17:226
    
    Match report from Saturday anyone??
    
    Tony
    
    
38.307LARVAE::MUNSON_PLife's so stressful...Tue Oct 20 1992 16:226
38.3084 lines too muchCHEFS::HOUSEBTue Oct 20 1992 16:577
    re -1
    
    "Sorry its brief"
    
    No problem, when it comes to Reading - the briefer the better :-)
    
    		Brian.
38.309Still Smillie-ing ?MILE::PRIESTFri Oct 23 1992 18:2524
    Any of you Royals fans remember Neil Smillie ?
    
    The reason I ask is I'm fortunate and discerning enough to have
    followed Brentford for about the last 30 years. Now I don't want to
    gloat (no honestly !) but the Bees signed Smillie on a free transfer
    from Reading 3 seasons ago, and I think he's magic. He's (still) quick,
    skilful, and INTELLIGENT (OK, by Brentford standards he's Mastermind
    finalist level !) He was certainly a major contributor to our
    Championship last season. (Sorry - didn't mean to rub it in - oh all
    right, of course I did !!)
    
    How did he perform for Reading (didn't he score in the Simod final) and
    what did he do wrong to make Reading want to give him away ?
    
    There should be a note somewhere (probably is) about players that one
    team has dumped only for them to star somewhere else. Ian Holloway
    springs to mind - free (or very small fee) transfer from Brentford to
    Bristol Rovers, thence QPR, where he's now performing very competently
    at the top of the Premier League. It's a funny old game, eh ?
    
    Come on you Bees.
    
    Jim
    
38.310SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAhhhh, PigsyFri Oct 23 1992 20:3110
    Neil Smilie performed very well for a long period at Reading, maybe not
    scoring as many as he should have. I think the club felt that he was
    getting a bit long in the tooth, and cleared him on out.
    
    The reason that it was a `free' was that Reading were struggling at the
    time and didn't attract many scouts!!
    
    Tony
    
    
38.311Another wasted trip !SUBURB::LAINSBURYAMon Oct 26 1992 15:4726
    Re: Neil Smilie.
    
    Smilie and the then manager Ian Branfoot were not seeing eye to eye,
    and I believe this is the reason Smilie went. He was one of our best
    players in his final year, culminating in a goal in our Simod Cup
    victory.  Funny reading the entry about him, because on the train up to
    Swansea (yes I know, what a wasted journey) I was talking to Clive
    Baskerville the post reporter, and he was telling me all about Branfoot
    being a real disciplinarian and players such as Smilie and Bailie
    weren't too happy about him.
    
    As for the Swansea game, the first half wasn't worth mentioning, we
    were absolutely crap. However, I thought we were marginally the better
    team in the second and after the equaliser - a strong run by Adi
    Williams who was playing up front! - we looked the more likely to go on
    and win, but a long (and I mean long) throw from the right was headed
    straight in by their no5, terrible marking.
    
    Anyway, Swansea deserved on their first half performance. We only got
    in their half once, and Williams blasted wide with just the keeper to
    beat.
    
    Oh well, 5 games without a win - only last week it was 6 league games
    unbeaten !!!!
    
    Andy..
38.312 2-1PEKING::BAREFIELDAJACK CHARLTON IS DESPICABLETue Oct 27 1992 10:5010
    
    I went to Swansea saturday and watched the game, Reading were
    rubbish in the first half, no one was picking up other players
    and Swansea went in 1-0 up on the half. The second half was
    better with Williams scoring a good goal past the ex Chelsea
    Keeper, Reading give away a poor goal when Swansea scored from
    a header after a long throw in..
    
    Andy..B
    
38.313Strange..but truePEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCTue Oct 27 1992 11:228
    
    Andy...
    
      Why do you go and watch Reading when you support Chelsea ???
    
    You could have gone to Coventry.
    
    Dave...
38.314 PEKING::BAREFIELDAJACK CHARLTON IS DESPICABLETue Oct 27 1992 12:395
    
    Why should i go to Coventry!  No one would speak to me..
    
    
    
38.315You should be used to that by now...PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCTue Oct 27 1992 13:231
    
38.316Que Sera Sera.SUBURB::LAINSBURYATue Oct 27 1992 15:408
    F.A CUP Round 1
    
    Reading at home to Birmingham.
    
    The game has been changed to Sun 15 Nov, does this mean that the TVS
    cameras will be live at Elm Park.... I think not.
    
    Andy..
38.317FORTY2::ASHGrahame Ash @REOTue Oct 27 1992 15:513
Too true, Andy - Sky have got the game . . .

grahame
38.318SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAhhhh, PigsyTue Oct 27 1992 16:026
    
    Erm, does that mean it's live on Sky.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.319YEP!!!BIBROK::ROBERTSONAin't it marvelousWed Oct 28 1992 13:2416
As for Neil Smillie.

He was definitely one of the better players at Reading at the time, but like
all the other good players in the team he didn't get on with Branfoot.

Other players that he discarded while favourites with the Crowd

Kevin Bremner	to Brighton
Keith Curle	to The Wombles, Now with Man City and England Cap(s) too
Terry Hurlock	to Millwall, Now Southampton
Steve Wood	to Millwall

Craig Maskell recently departed  and has definitely found his footing in the
Swindon line up. He scores regularly, and was in the English 2nd Div team
against the Italians last week, scoring twice. It's a shame he wasn't happy at
Reading.
38.320LARVAE::MUNSON_PLife's so stressful...Wed Nov 04 1992 16:554
38.321still intrested in boats???UTROP1::JANSENReading Blondes have more funWed Nov 04 1992 17:2619
38.322'Williams Soccer Shocker'SUBURB::LAINSBURYAThu Nov 05 1992 14:1319
    Guys,
    
    If you read replies .316 and .317, you'll realise that you're a bit
    behind the times.
    
    I can't believe nobody has mentioned the Plymouth game. Superb
    performance by anyone's standard - old man Shilton thought he was
    playing against a team of international class !
    
    Has anyone got a report on Tueday's game - a 1-1 draw at Burnley, not a
    bad result considering.
    
    Finally, I was in a pub in Bracknell on Saturday night, as were Scott
    Taylor and Adi Williams. They were stood there quietly when some girl
    brought the bouncers over and they threw poor Adi out ! God knows what
    happened, I'm thinking about ringing the local press for an exclusive !!
    
    Andy..
    
38.323SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAhhhh, PigsyThu Nov 05 1992 17:0311
    
    He was removed for walking around with successive dodgy, nay, illegally
    bad haircuts.
    
    I heard the Plymouth performance was a cracker.
    
    I'll be at the Birmingham game, no conflicting local football.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.324RADIO 5 0-1 STAN FLASHMANPEKING::BAREFIELDAJACK CHARLTON IS DESPICABLEMon Nov 09 1992 10:4911
    
    A game with very little to talk about, Blackpool were very poor
    and would not have scored if they had been there all night.
    Reading were not much better, but did manage to hit the bar.
    
    Anybody know what happened behind the Tilehurst end at half time,
    also did anybody here the interview with Stan Flashman of Barnet
    on radio 5 on saturday, what is he on.....
    
    Andy..B
    
38.325READING V ORIENT..PEKING::BAREFIELDAJACK CHARLTON IS DESPICABLEMon Nov 16 1992 18:5010
    
    Reading have been rewarded with a home game against Layton Orient
    in the next round of the F.A Cup..
    
    I thought Reading deserved the win yesterday and were unlucky
    not to have won it by more, nice to see Lambert start the game
    he played a vital part in the victory..
    
    Andy..B
    
38.326Pred: Scummers 0 Reading 2SUBURB::LAINSBURYAUh Uh Oooh...What a goal!Mon Nov 16 1992 20:1114
    RE: -1
    
    A good performance and a good draw. Orient may be top of the league but
    that's because they've won 8 and drawn 1 of their 9 home games. Their
    away record is not impressive, indeed we could and should have beaten
    them quite easily earlier this season. (1-1)
    
    What's the betting that if we get beat then Orient will draw Man.U or 
    Liverpool etc, but if we win we'll be drawn away to Preston, Hartlepool
    etc.
    
    Andy..
    
    
38.327Bournemouth 1 Reading 1 Referee 40SUBURB::LAINSBURYAUh Uh Oooh...What a goal!Tue Nov 24 1992 15:1918
    A pretty poor game, a pretty poor Reading performance, a poor
    Bournemouth performance, and a diabolical refereeing performance.
    The 'ref' gave Bournemouth 40!!! free kicks during the game (info from
    Post) which sums up how bad he was. 
    Bournemouth had more of the play but it was all in midfield, they never
    really threatened, and we went one up against the run of play, Gilkes
    with a simple 6 yd shot at the far post.
    Reading sat back on their 1-0 lead but Bournemouth never looked like
    scoring all day...and when that goal went in, last ******* minute !!
    That's about all I can recall.                                         
    
    Even though we were poor, we still should have won. 3 draws in
    succession now - might as well have won one and lost two.
    
    
    Oh well.. Exeter on Saturday. 4-1.
    
    Andy.
38.328SUBURB::ABSOLOMTHey Home, to Bel AirWed Nov 25 1992 16:559
    
    Am I correct in thinking the goal was in the 93rd minute, when there
    didn't seem like any reason for stoppage time???
    
    Typical jammy Bournemouth.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.329Pred: Chester 0, Reading 2SUBURB::LAINSBURYAUh Uh Oooh...What a goal!Tue Dec 08 1992 15:428
    Not a bad cup draw, at least we get to play a big team.
    Well, Manchester here we come. After seeing the Manchester Derby on
    Sunday, we have absolutely nothing to fear.
    
    If anybody hears anything about tickets etc, can you post them in here.
    Even though it's gone real quiet.
                   
    Andy.
38.330PEKING::ROSECTue Dec 08 1992 17:438
    We have 2,500 seat tickets at a tenner each.  The game is not all
    ticket, but there is no standing room for away fans.
    
    Tickets will be on sale from, hopefully , the end of this week.
    
    Anyone driving, there is a large car park next to the away end.
    
    Chris
38.331SUBURB::ABSOLOMTDesert Orchid is the kingTue Dec 08 1992 20:098
    
    Andy Lainsbury's my hero. He gave the "Fan's Verdict" in the Evening
    Post yesterday.
    
    Tony
    
    ps: And what a good photo!!
    
38.332Better than your team photo last weekSUBURB::LAINSBURYAUh Uh Oooh...What a goal!Tue Dec 08 1992 20:2813
    Tony,
    
    Because this is the notes file, I won't swear at you over the system. I
    was trying to keep it quiet !!
    By the way, Baskerville rung me up at 9.30 Sunday morning, so there's
    me with this headache trying to remember the game. So 90% of that stuff
    he made up himself  !
    
    Andy
    
    P.S I'll come round and autograph it for you if you want !
    
    
38.333SUBURB::ABSOLOMTDesert Orchid is the kingTue Dec 08 1992 22:406
    
    Hey, there was nothing wrong with that team photo. The other team
    members are so ugly that I look acceptable. -ish.
    
    Tony
    
38.334Chester 0 - Reading 3FORTY2::ROBERTSONYou don't wanna do it like that !!!!Mon Dec 14 1992 15:189
A good away win on Saturday  3-0 at lowly Chester

Makes a change to win at the struggling clubs

Goals from Gilkes (2) & Lambert

According to 210 Souness was at the game!!!

Al
38.335PEKING::BAREFIELDAJACK CHARLTON IS DESPICABLETue Dec 15 1992 10:316
    
    I heard on the radio last night that Lambert is to start training with
    Monaco.
    
    Andy..B
     
38.336Dillon gets sent off before kick-off ?SUBURB::LAINSBURYAUh Uh Oooh...What a goal!Thu Dec 17 1992 18:1616
    Re:-1
    
    Lambert and McGhee have gone to Monaco, just so they can have a look at
    him.  McGhee is not selling.  He is hoping to make some contacts
    for a French loanee or maybe arrange Pre-season friendlies.
    
    Stockport at home Saturday. According to Mike Lewis on the radio this
    morning, there is something happening at Elm Park on Saturday at 5
    minutes before kick off. He wouldn't say what it was except that you've
    got to be there and don't miss it !
    
    Whatever it is , it will be the prelude to our third successive 3-0
    victory.
    
    Andy.
                                         
38.337PEKING::ROSECWed Dec 23 1992 11:563
    Reading have sold the allocation of 2,555 tickets for the Man City cup
    tie, and are trying to get another 135 seat tickets and 1,000 terrace
    tickets for the game.
38.338PEKING::BAREFIELDAJACK CHARLTON IS DESPICABLEWed Dec 23 1992 12:074
    
    My brother was selling tickets for the Man City game, he said that 
    there were a lot of touts trying to buy up the tickets so he turned 
    them away, but all they done was to send kids in to buy them instead.
38.339Manchester City v ReadingSUBURB::ABSOLOMTDesert Orchid is the kingMon Jan 04 1993 12:486
    
    A match report please......
    
    Tony
    
    
38.340FORTY2::ROBERTSONYou don't wanna do it like that !!!!Mon Jan 04 1993 17:4914
From Stuart Hall on R5

The first half was played with mainly the high ball game which City didn't like
at all. Reading capitalised on this a minute before the break when Taylor scored
from the edge of the area.

City then managed to get into their stride and equalised in the 73rd minute.


Replay at Elm Park on the 13th

Winners play QPR or Swindon away

Al
38.341QPR, here we come.SUBURB::LAINSBURYAUh Uh Oooh...What a goal!Mon Jan 04 1993 18:2029
    Re: -1
    
     The high ball was being played by City, not Reading. The first half
    hour was constant City aerial bombardment but Reading's defence was
    superb, and City never really created any clear chances.
    
    Reading pounced before half time, a beautiful 18 yarder from Talor into
    the top corner.  We couldn't believe it, I even dropped my meat pie.
    
      We expected City to all-out attack in the second half, and although
    they had the great majority of the play, most of it was cleared once
    they got near the box. 
      About half way through Flitcroft fired one against the post and it
    rebounded straight into Francis's arms. I thought then that this was
    going to be our day. 5 minutes later, Jimmy Quinn just missed with a
    good shot, and soon after the Mancs equalised.
      A good ball from Flitcroft and Sheron chipped it over Francis.
    
    	The rest of the game was just cheering every time Reading blasted
    it into touch, or when ****** McMahon hit the corner flag with a
    volley.
    
    	Not brilliant to watch as anything other than a Reading fan, but we
    got the result our defenders deserved, and nothing to fear for the
    replay.
    
    	The game is all ticket unless you hold a South Bank card.
    
    Andy.
38.342SUBURB::ABSOLOMTDesert Orchid is the kingMon Jan 04 1993 20:216
    
    So for South Bank cardholders it's cash on the gate???
    
    Tony
    
    
38.343YES.SUBURB::LAINSBURYAUh Uh Oooh...What a goal!Tue Jan 05 1993 16:201
    
38.344SUBURB::ABSOLOMTPaaaaaaattchWed Jan 13 1993 16:337
    
    For all you Royals unable to make the game tonite, because of the Aston
    Villa game being abandoned, Reading v Man City is now live on SKY.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.345out we go...IOSG::TYLDESLEYThu Jan 14 1993 13:0511
    Well, since no-one else has put it in, Man City convincingly beat
    Reading last night 4-0. Reading were far from disgraced, and
    listening on the radio it sounded like they were still in with a 
    chance even at 2-0 down in the second half. Sorry don't know the goal
    scorers, but Niall Quinn got one and I think Holden(?) was involved 
    in some of the others. Steve Francis saved two goals by stopping a
    rolling ball going over the line. Gilkes combined well with Lambert 
    on one occasion, but just failed to beat Coton who had a good game.
    
    Cheers
    DaveT                                   
38.346FORTY2::ROBERTSONYou don't wanna do it like that !!!!Thu Jan 14 1993 14:1712
Scorers

Sheron, Holden, Flitcroft, Quinn

Unfortunately we met City in inspired form, I didn't manage to get there as I was
at work 'til late. Don't know if that was a good move or not.

Over 12000 there, must have been one hell of an atmosphere.

Anyway there's still the Autoglass trophy :-)

Al
38.3476pm til 10pm...what joySUBURB::ABSOLOMTPaaaaaaattchThu Jan 14 1993 15:209
    
    City were in a different class and Reading didn't start playing until
    the 46th minute.
    
    Lambert and Lovell both had gilt edged chances.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.3484 lucky goals.SUBURB::LAINSBURYAUh Uh Oooh...What a goal!Thu Jan 14 1993 16:1113
    To Paaaaatch from READING !
    
      I admit City were a different class, but 4-0 was definately an
    exaggerated scoreline.
      Reading had 3 open goals (Lambert, Lovell, and Taylor) and when we
    were pressing City kept hitting us on the break and looked like scoring
    every time.
    
     To make the night worse, the ref was diabolical.
    
     Oh well, Brighton at home Saturday. 4-0.
    
    Andy.
38.349SUBURB::ABSOLOMTPaaaaaaattchThu Jan 14 1993 16:4612
    
    The ref was in fact a sheep-shagging b****** with no eyes.
    
    Funniest moment of the night was Kevin "Brains" Dillon taking a
    free-kick to himself and expecting to get away with it. Ho!Ho! how I
    chuckled!
    
    We have a very bad pace problem at the back. The second goal showed
    this up badly as four defenders chased Holden in vain.
    
    Tony
    
38.350SUBURB::ABSOLOMTPaaaaaaattchMon Jan 18 1993 15:407
    
    Can one of you good people tell me when Reading are playing Bolton at
    Elm Park. I've got to take the missus along.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.351Next at homePEKING::ROSECMon Jan 18 1993 15:493
    Bolton at home, a week Wednesday (27th)
    
    Chris
38.352Absolomgate?YUPPY::ASHLEYSMITHrevolution starts at closing time...Tue Jan 19 1993 17:033
    .re .350  which "missus" is that Tony old chap?
    
    andy
38.353SUBURB::ABSOLOMTPaaaaaaattchWed Jan 20 1993 17:167
    
    re.352  Sorry for the confusion Andy dear boy, it should have read Miss
    Us, respected female football journalist.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.354SUBURB::LAINSBURYATop 6 by May.Thu Jan 21 1993 17:326
    Tony,
    
    	I thought it was a misspell on your part. I thought you meant
    'misses'  - something more associated with you and football 8^)
    
    Andy. 
38.355SUBURB::ABSOLOMTPaaaaaaattchMon Jan 25 1993 13:198
    
    Oh, oh, please, Andy, oh, deary deary, my ribs.....etc etc...
    
    Tony
    
    ps I won't mention the County Arms then?
    
    
38.356PEKING::ROSECThu Jan 28 1993 11:3120
    Reading 1  Bolton 2
    
    Reading took the lead after 30 mins, a Williams header.  Bolton
    equalised just before half-time and scored the winner with about 20
    mins to go.
    Amazingly, the referee managed to book 6 players, and Bolton had one
    sent off.  Reading had three players booked in the first half when
    there wasn't even one bad tackle.
    Who do blame for another defeat?  McGhee can only play the resources
    available to him.  Quite frankly some of Reading's players are just not
    good enough - probably only Francis can be exempt from any blame last
    night.
    Lambert and Gilkes both play wide, so Quinn fights a lone battle in the
    middle up front.  With five across the back, that only leaves two in
    midfield.
    Bolton had the desire to win, that's why they won.  Reading have now
    won only three of the last seventeen league games and unless they get
    their act together, they will be fighting against relegation.
    
    Anyway, roll on Saturday...let's go and stuff Orient.
38.357SUBURB::LAINSBURYATop 6 by May.Thu Jan 28 1993 16:0528
    RE:-1
    
    	I have been saying all season that Reading's football deserves a
    higher league position, but last night's second half performance was
    the worst I've seen at Elm Park all year.
    	
    	The game started brightly and Reading and Bolton both played some
    good football, and 1-1 was a fair half-time score. But Reading had
    looked comfortable at 1-0 until the ref decided to book 3 players
    within a few minutes (not one for a foul). From there we just went
    downhill and gave away a soft goal.
    
    	The second half was mostly Bolton even after theyt were down to 10
    men and they got a deserved goal, Lee outpacing our less than mobile 
    defence and getting a rebound off Francis which was his only error of 
    the match.
    	We could have played all day but we never looked like scoring.
    
    
    I agree with Chris in that Quinn is too exposed and alone up front, and
    our 3 centre backs are too similar and lack mobility. McGhee has the
    nucleus of a good side, but we are in desperate need of a strong front
    runner to partner Quinn and some pace at the back.
    
    	We now have the worst disciplinary record in all 4 divisions, and
    we're not even a dirty side !!
    
    Andy
38.358Yeeeessssss !!!!!SUBURB::LAINSBURYATop 6 by May.Mon Feb 01 1993 16:0434
    Leyton Orient 1 Reading 2
    
    	What a result ! bye bye Orients undefeated home record. Best day
    out I've had all year !
    
    	First 15 minutes was all Orient, and they even hit the post, but
    Reading started back at them and scored a beauty of a goal when Dillon
    chipped the keeper from 20 yards after Gooding had collided with him
    (the keeper that is). Can't remember what else happened in the first
    half - just the goal really, oh yeah, and Francis made a superb one
    handed save when fat boy Andy Jones was through on goal.
    
    	Second half started as the first, Orient bombardment although they
    didn't have that many chances. Reading started coming back at them
    again, and just when the game was getting slower and Orient ran out
    of ideas, they had a free kick 20 yards out. The ref had let the O's
    player run through and have a shot that went wide. He then called play
    back and gave a free kick for something only he knew. Even the home
    crowd never shouted !
    	Anyway, the free kick luckily found the corner of the net and it
    was 1-1. 2 minutes later Gilkes beats the full back, pokes it across
    and Parkinson sweeps it in to send the crowd wild. 
    
    	Reading should have had a penalty 10 minutes later, but the ref was
    50 yards behind play, and the linesman was adjusting his glasses.
    Another superb Francis save near the end but it was not to be for
    Orient and consistently inconsistent Reading record only their 8th
    league win of the season.
    
    	Hartlepool at home Saturday, god knows whats going to happen, but
    at least it was good to the midfielders getting goals at last.
    
    	
    Andy..
38.359SUBURB::ABSOLOMTPaaaaaaattchThu Feb 04 1993 17:247
    
     I see McGhee has now signed one of the central defenders he has been 
     "holding out for". A reserve donkey from Oxford.
    
     Tony
    
     Ps He couldn't to get Steve Wood, even on loan
38.3603 more pointsPEKING::ROSECMon Feb 08 1993 16:5423
    Well, another three points at the expense of Hartlepool.
    
    Reading hit the bar three times in the first half....you tend to think
    that it's never going to go in.  Adrian Williams scored with a diving
    header with about 15 minutes to go.  The last 5 minutes were total
    bedlam, Hartlepool were pushing for the equaliser (which they would not
    have deserved) and Reading were panicking.  Fortunately, Quinn scored a
    deserved second goal in the dying seconds.  Can't help but feel sorry
    for Quinn, he won a lot of the ball in the air and was then expected to
    be in the box for the forthcoming cross.  Andy Gray was Quinn's partner
    up front - loads of enthusiasm but I can't remember anything he really
    achieved.
    The guy on loan from Oxford, Jackson, seemed solid enough.  Reading
    will miss Adrian Williams when he starts his suspension soon.  Francis
    played well in goal, and made one superb save when the score was still
    0 - 0.
    
    On the positive side, we are now 12th in the table.
    
    Tomorrow is Exeter away in the Autoglass trophy, followed by Hull away
    on Saturday in the league.
    
    Chris
38.361Out of another cupFORTY2::ROBERTSONYou don't wanna do it like that !!!!Wed Feb 10 1993 12:3711
Well no trip to the twin towers this year

1-1 after 90 mins

No more goals aet

Exeter go through 4-2 on Pens

We can now concentrate on the league.

Al
38.362SUBURB::WAITEGTHE END OF SILENCEWed Feb 10 1993 12:3810
    Re 361
    
    1 - 1 after 90 mins 
    
    2 - 2 after extra time.  Quinn scored.
    
    
    
    
    Gary
38.363OFF !!PEKING::ROSECWed Feb 10 1993 14:305
    Unfortunately, we had Adrian Williams sent off.  Could be a problem,
    particularly as he is just about to start a two-match ban anyway.
    
    It gives an opportunity to Jackson (bloke on loan from Oxford) to
    establish himself and maybe join Reading permanently.  
38.364HOW MANY defenders left ???SUBURB::LAINSBURYATop 6 by May.Wed Feb 10 1993 14:443
    	Another sending off ! What did he go for this time Chris ?
    
    	
38.365PEKING::ROSECWed Feb 10 1993 16:3512
    Don't know yet......probably adjusting his shinpads !!!!    Actually
    knowing the way that Exeter play (Mike Tyson isn't hard enough for
    Exeter) he was probably sent off for retaliation.
    
    Williams will miss at least five of Reading's last eighteen games.
    
    The only crumb of consolation is that Reading can concentrate soley on
    attemping to reach the top six (play-offs).  They can do it, but they
    need one or two defenders back from injury (like McPherson).
    
    I notice that Hull, Reading's opponents on Saturday, won at Rotherham
    last night.  We could do with a result there. 
38.366FORTY2::ROBERTSONYou don't wanna do it like that !!!!Wed Feb 10 1993 20:306
re .362

Good to see the standard of ITV's Teletext service hasn't changed since the 
takeover :-)

Al
38.367I wasn't ready ref...IOSG::TYLDESLEYMon Feb 15 1993 14:487
    1-1 draw at the weekend at Hull.
    
    Apparently Dean Windass scored from a free kick while Steve Francis was
    still arranging his wall. Andy Gray replied for Reading.
    
    Cheers,
    DaveT
38.368All uphill now !SUBURB::LAINSBURYATop 6 by May.Mon Feb 15 1993 16:4313
    Hull were spawny at our place, I wouldn't be surprised if the goal was
    a bit dodgy,  and it was with only 8 minutes left !!!
    A win would have put us tenth, only 5 points off the play off zone. As
    it is we drop to 13th and need to win most of our remaining games.
    
    Too many 1-1 draws against crap opposition (i.e Mansfield, Wigan, Hull,
    Bournemouth etc)
    
    2 home games to follow against Preston and Huddersfield. 6 points a
    must. 
    
    
     Andy.
38.369Programme WantedGALVIA::SPAINThere's always the U.S.Tue Feb 16 1993 21:246
    
    I'm looking for a programme for an U16 game between England and Ireland
    at Elm Park on Mon Feb 8th?  Can anybody help?  I'd gladly refund any
    costs incurred or will send dsome programmes in exchange.
    
    Gary.
38.370Reading 4 Preston 0SUBURB::LAINSBURYATop 6 by May.Mon Feb 22 1993 15:0516
    Well, a resounding victory on Saturday, it could so easily have been
    10-0. I was just reading this article in the telegraph about the
    match..well more about John Beck's long ball policy.
    
    Gary Peters, no.2 to Beck, and an ex-Reading player who's last game was
    as a sub in the Simod Cup Final, said in this report "You have seen a
    team playing direct today and a team playing a passing game. Preston
    played the passing game and you saw what happened."
    
    That really bugs me. How he can say that Reading played the long ball
    is beyond me. The only high played to Quinn were from free kicks and
    wide positions, which every team would do.  How can he say that !
    Probably sour grapes because Preston were probably the worst team I've
    seen all season.
    
    Andy.
38.371Who needs a striker anyhow!SUBURB::ABSOLOMTPaaaaaaattchMon Feb 22 1993 15:499
    
    Gary Peters was always a prat anyway. Couldn't pass to save his life,
    and had a gravity defying shot.
    
    Play-offs still a tiny possibility then?
    
    Tony
    
    
38.372EASY !PEKING::ROSECMon Feb 22 1993 16:2820
    What is Gary Peters on !!!  Preston are managed by John Beck - enough
    said.  I cannot believe anybody thinks Reading play the long ball game.
    I think it must have been sour grapes - Preston were well beaten, and
    it could easily have been more.
    My main recollection from the game is that Jackson (Reading's on loan
    left full back) spent most of the second half in Preston's half playing
    one-two's.  Gilkes gave the Preston right-back an afternoon he won't
    forget in a hurry.
    Any game involving Preston must seem like a long-ball game as they,
    attempt, to play the offside trap.  
    Apart from the goals, Lambert, Quinn and Gilkes could all have scored.
    Also their goalie made two good saves.  A good three points and now a
    home game against Huddersfield to come next Saturday.  
    
    RE -1  The play-offs are a possibility.  The remaining sixteen games
    would need a record of something like (W10 D2 L4)....this would give
    Reading 72 points which should be enough to make it.
    There are some tough away games to come....P.Vale, Stoke, Stockport,
    Bradford (all in April).
    We'll see.
38.373Abingdon March OnCHEFS::HOUSEBWed Mar 03 1993 11:2715
    Good to see Abingdon Town knock the mighty Reading out of the Berks &
    Bucks Cup earlier this month.  Reading fielded 6 players with 1 st team
    experience.  Abingdon were the better team in both matches and the 1-0
    win in the replay was kind to Reading.
    
    The Post reported Mark McGhee making excuses like "the pitch was a bit
    bobbly" afterwards.  He should get most of those who played for Reading
    used to those sort of pitches as the majority of them will be playing
    Diadora football in couple of years time.
    
    What is all the fuss about Jamie Lambert ???? Rather ordinary teenage
    striker who didn't get a kick all night.  Any of you "Loyal" Royals
    attend ????
    
    		Brian
38.374The WHAT cup !!!!PEKING::ROSECWed Mar 03 1993 14:5618
    RE -1, I can't believe I am doing this, but I'll reply to the last
    note.
    
    In the last couple of games I've been at Reading, not one person has
    mentioned the B&B cup - surprise, surprise.  I can say that no one
    really gives a toss about it.  Why would "loyal Royals" want to go to
    an away reserve match?????  Reading last won it 100 years ago - as you 
    can see it means a great deal to the club ??????
    
    The other comment about Reading players playing in the Diadora league
    is a typical comment from somebody who never goes to Elm Park - it
    isn't worth the effort it took typing it out.
    
    Re Lambert - all the fuss comes from the press etc etc He doesn't play
    in Reading's first team at the moment anyway !!
    
    Onto matters more relating to this conference note, Fulham away on
    Saturday.
38.375Now, where did I put my landing netCHEFS::HOUSEBWed Mar 03 1993 16:089
    Chris,
    
    Many young pros & apprentices who don't make it end up playing football
    in the Diadora League - I don't need to go outside my back door to know
    that, let alone Elm Park.  
    
    Re the rest of your note - Thanks for your feedback.
    
    		Brian
38.376Fulham 0 Reading 0SUBURB::LAINSBURYATop 6 by May.Mon Mar 08 1993 13:5719
    Another game where we could have and should have won. Fulham never had
    a shot on target the whole game, and we only had 3.
    
    Fat boy Stannard (how can you be that fat and still play professional
    football ??) kept Fulham in the game with three goods saves from
    Quinn's header in the first half, the best from Dillon's drive in the
    second half, and from a great volley from Taylor in the dying minutes.
    
    McGhee decided to drop Gray who's scored in the last 3 games for David
    McDonald, who nobody has ever heard of. Seems like McGhee must have met
    him in the pub Friday night. Anyway this McDonald stood in the
    full-back position (I say stood because I  didn't see him do bugger all
    else than that.) So we could have 5 at the back. Bit too defensive if
    you ask me, and that's why we never attacked enough to grab the winner.
    
    Anyway, at home to high flying Port Vale Wednesday. I won't be able to
    make it so a match report from anyone will be appreciated.
    
    Andy.
38.377Another 6pts in the bagFORTY2::ROBERTSONBlah! Blah! Yackety SchmacketyMon Mar 15 1993 15:3212
A good win v Port Vale on Wed 	1 - 0

Vale seemed happy with a draw but Royals snatched it in the last 10 minutes.

Followed by a similar result on Saturday at Blackpool, Quinn Scoring the all
important winner in the 78th minute.

We have now moved up to 8th place with 50 points, only 6 off a playoff place

Andy - your personal name may yet come true

Al
38.378Another 4 points !!PEKING::ROSECWed Mar 24 1993 17:5128
    Back to Saturday first of all - A well earned victory against Burnley.
    A very good goal from Gilkes capping a good performance by Reading -
    the scoreline could however have been more than 1-0.  Another great
    performance by Gooding at full-back, and overall the defence
    giving nothing away.
    
    Last night - a 0-0 draw at Exeter.  After Saturday, most people would
    have expected Reading to have gained three points last night - but
    Exeter can kill a game quite easily.
    
    From Reading's point of view, the top five look like breaking away
    (Stoke, P.Vale, WBA, Stockport, Bolton).  It leaves a scrap for the
    sixth and final play-off spot.  The teams realistically involved are
    Brighton, Orient, Reading, Rotherham and Swansea.  Plymouth, Fulham nad
    Bournemouth are probably out of it.
    
    Reading are ninth after last night.....a win would have taken them to
    sixth !!
    
    At home to Bournemouth on Saturday, followed by P.Vale away the
    following Saturday and Chester at home on the Wednesday.
    
    To reach the play-offs, Reading probably need 20-22 points. So the last
    ten games of the season (5 home and 5 away) need to be something like;
    
    5 wins and 5 draws  or  6 wins, 3 draws and 1 defeat  or  7 wins !
    
    Chris
38.379As seen on CEEFAXFORTY2::ROBERTSONBlah! Blah! Yackety SchmacketyThu Mar 25 1993 15:068
I read on CEEFAX last night that The Royals are about to sign Mark Stimson from
Newcastle today for an undisclosed 6 figure fee.

Anyone have anymore details??

What's Stimson like??

Al
38.380PLUNDR::MORANNice bloke, nice and fat!Thu Mar 25 1993 15:347
    >What's Stimson like??
    
    Very poor indeed. As Mcghee was his colleague at Newcastle, I would have
    thought he'd have known this already. He can't tackle at all and has no
    positional sense whatsoever, but he does possess a fairly useful left foot.
    
    Tim
38.381PLUNDR::MORANNice bloke, nice and fat!Thu Mar 25 1993 16:465
    
    The Stimson deal's off, due to the player not being able to agree
    personal terms with Reading's management team. Lucky escape methinks.
    
    Tim
38.382FORTY2::ROBERTSONFri Mar 26 1993 15:283
Thanks Tim,

	As you said looks like we've had a lucky escape.
38.383Reading 3 Bournemouth 2GVA02::LAINSBURYTop 6 by MayMon Mar 29 1993 17:1219
    Well, my personal name has come true a month early. Come on you R's.
    
    Brilliant first half Saturday, but we were sweating at the end as
    Bournemouth scored two late goals, and if it wasn't for a great save by
    Francis right at the end, we might not even have won.
    
    Lovell was brilliant on his return, perhaps he may come off the list.
    	
    Highlights of the game:
    Gilkes running 3/4 the length of the pitch past 4 players and blasting
    the ball against the post.
    Gooding running half the length of the pitch to be substituted before
    realising he was wearing 3 and not 2, then running all the way back
    waving to the crowd.
    The referee finally giving a handball decision. (Bournemouth obviously
    thought it was American Football.)
    
    8 wins and 3 draws from the last 11 now. The next two weeks are vital.     
    
38.384COME ON YOU ROYALS !!PEKING::ROSECMon Mar 29 1993 17:2018
    I hope that we have not picked up too many injuries from Saturday -
    Bournemouth were a bit physical.  Both Taylor and MacDonald went off
    injured, and both Lovell and Parkinson were limping long before the end
    of the game.
    
    However, a great result.  These are Reading's last nine games;
    
    SAT 3 APR   P.VALE (A)
    WED 7 APR   CHESTER (H)
    SAT 10 APRIL  STOKE (A)
    MON 12 APRIL MANSFIELD (H)
    FRI 16 APRIL STOCKPORT (A)
    WED 21 APRIL WBA (H)
    SAT 24 APRIL BRADFORD (A)
    SAT  1 MAY  SWANSEA (H)
    SAT  8 MAY PLYMOUTH (A)
    
    Chris
38.385CHEFS::HOUSEBMon Mar 29 1993 18:073
    A tough run in for Reading, let's hope they blow it.
    
    		Brian :-)
38.386PEKING::ROSECMon Mar 29 1993 18:257
    Thanks Brian.
    
    This must be a torrid time for those that dislike Reading.
    
    There is still a long way to go.
    
    Chris
38.387PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCMon Mar 29 1993 19:247
    
    I believe Peter Beadle played for Bournemouth on Saturday, getting on
    the scoresheet with B'mouths second goal. He is on loan from Spurs...
    
    Did he look any good ?????
    
    Dave...
38.388PEKING::ROSECTue Mar 30 1993 12:417
    Dave,  He didn't do much in the first half - most of the play was in
    the Bournemouth half.  Towards the end of the game he got a bit
    involved and he scored a great goal.  20 yards out, into the top
    corner.  In the first half he did have a bit of a niggle with McDonald
    (who is his team mate at Spurs !).   That was about it.
    
    Chris
38.389PORT VALE 3 READING 1PEKING::BAREFIELDAJACK CHARLTON IS DESPICABLEMon Apr 05 1993 21:1632
    
    Reading ended up on the end of a 3-1 beating on saturday and deserved
    it , the midfield never picked up any players allowing the Vale all
    the time in the world to pass the ball about the park.
    Vale took the lead on 12 minutes with a goal from Houchen, Quinn
    leveled in the 16th minute with a header. Reading were looking good 
    for a point at the half time, that soon changed in the second half
    I dont think they even had a shot on target. Vale took the lead again
    in 60th minute with a goal from Cross, this was soon followed by  
    Walker putting a penalty past Francis. Francis also received a booking
    for bringing down a Vale foward just outside the box during the second
    half....
    
                        DIVISION TWO
                      P  W  D  L  F  A  Pts
         STOKE       38 23 11  4 66 30  80
         PORT VALE   38 21  9  8 62 37  72
    ----------------------------------------
         STOCKPORT   38 18 12  8 73 44  66
         WEST BROM   38 19  9 10 66 45  66
         BOLOTON     37 19  9  9 61 35  66
         READING     38 15 12 11 55 40  57
    ----------------------------------------
         L ORIENT    39 16  9 14 54 44  57
         ROTHERHAM   39 15 12 12 52 49  57
         BRIGHTON    39 16  9 14 49 48  57
         
    Reading play at home wednesday to Chester who are bottom of the league
    with only 29 points ( won 8, lost 26, drawn 5 ).. 7.45 kick-off
    
    ANDY...B 
         
38.390Sick as a parrotGVA02::LAINSBURYTop 6 by MayWed Apr 07 1993 17:5223
    Andy,
    
    	I think you're being a bit unfair on Reading. I felt after Port
    Vale's steaming start, we did well to get back into the game, and as
    you said by half time we looked like we could go on to win. Reading
    battled well throughout the match, and although it wasn't our best
    footballing performance, I think to say they were letting Vale play
    football is a bit unfair, because if anything our battling pushed them
    out of their stride. 
    
    	But once Cross had fouled Hopkins to score the second (Hopkins
    spent five minutes stuffing his torn boot into the refs face) , Port Vale 
    ran the game and Reading never looked like scoring.
    
    	As for Francis's booking, he clearly played the ball, and in my
    opinion it was that booking and the shouldn't_have_been_allowed second
    goal which totally changed the game and Reading were never in it after 
    that.
                                           
    	I must admit though, no complaints on the penalty.
    
    Cheers,
    Andy
38.391Three more pointsPEKING::ROSECThu Apr 08 1993 12:1814
    Reading 1  Chester  0
    
    Not a classic, but three vital points.  Parkinson scored with eight
    minutes left.
    Chester's goalie played well, he had to, he had a busy night.  Reading
    seemed to miss Gooding and the game seemed to be heading towards 0-0.
    The game was very stop-start and apart from the goalie, the only other
    representative I can remember from Chester was the trainer. Oh yes, and
    the 34 fans behind the away goal.
    Thr Brighton manager said to his team recently "forget performances,
    it's points now".  That just about sums up last night - at least it was
    three points.
    
    Stokw away on Saturday and then Mansfield at home on Easter Monday.
38.392PEKING::COSSEYNWORLD BEWARE!! GAZZA'S BACKThu Apr 08 1993 13:175
    
    Whats the league table looking like this morning ?....And what are
    Reading's remaining fixtures ?...
    
    Neil...
38.393How it looks / what's left !PEKING::ROSECThu Apr 08 1993 14:2526
    		PLAYED	POINTS   GOALS
    STOKE	39 	80	66-31
    P.VALE	39	73	64-39
    WBA		39	69	69-45
    BOLTON	38	69	63-36
    STOCKPORT	39	66	74-46
    ORIENT	40	60	57-46
    READING	39	60	56-40
    BRIGHTON	40	60	52-49
    ROTHERHAM	40	58	53-50
    BRADFORD	40	56	58-59
    SWANSEA	37	55	50-39
    BURNLEY	40	55	49-47
    PLYMOUTH	39	50	47-53
    
    Remaining games;
    
    SAT 10 APR  STOKE (A)
    MON 12 APR  MANSFIELD (H)
    FRI 16 APR  STOCKPORT (A)
    WED 21 APR  WBA (H)
    SAT 24 APR  BRADFORD (A)
    SAT  1 MAY  SWANSEA (H)
    SAT  8 MAY  PLYMOUTH (A)
    
    Chris
38.394last year we'd have been 6thFORTY2::ROBERTSONThu Apr 08 1993 16:0816
Not an easy run in at all

3 out of the top 5 + 2(3 if you count Plymouth) of our challengers for the last
play-off place.

One thing's for sure, If we do make it, we'll have deserved it

As long as the weather's good on Monday I'll be taking my son to his first game,
hopefully not his last.

I was a little confused by the table thinking that Reading should be above Orient
as we have a +16 goal difference and they only had +11, then I remembered that
this year, Barclays are using the goals for as the first stat used when the
points are equal :-(

Al
38.395Pred:Stoke 0 Reading 1GVA02::LAINSBURYTop 6 by MayThu Apr 08 1993 16:109
    Re; -2
    
    	What are you doing in the Reading topic Cossey, thinking of
    watching them now there going well ????
    
    	Get back to your 'I fancy Gazza in his pink shirt' topic.
    
    Cheers,
    Andy
38.396Royals 3 Mansield 1FORTY2::ROBERTSONTue Apr 13 1993 21:3570
38.397SUBURB::ABSOLOMTEgg and Sperm seperation sensationFri Apr 16 1993 20:108
    
    BIG BIG BIG game tonite. Stockport (67pts) away. If we can win this one 
    we will be 1 point behind them, thus opening up another play-off place.
    
    We MUST draw at least.
    
    Tony
    
38.398Royals draw PEKING::ROSECMon Apr 19 1993 17:1031
    And that's exactly what we did do.  A 2-2 draw at Stockport would
    normally be regarded as a great result, but with a goal conceded five
    minutes from time a priceless win was snatched.
    
    Hopkins was sent off just before half time.  The ref made a major
    cock-up.  Adrian Williams and a Stockport guy were squaring up, the ref
    wasn't watching but when he came over he sent off Hopkins.
    McGhee played in the second half, and apparently played very well.
    
    The Brighton result on Saturday was the only one that really went
    Reading's way.  The next game is WBA at home on Wednesday.  Reading are
    in a situation where 4 wins might not be enough (Swansea could still
    catch Royals on goals scored) BUT 2 wins, a draw and a defeat could be
    enough (if the other results go Readings way).
    
    I hope I am wrong but if I were to lay money on the outcome of the
    Second, I would have;
    
    1. Stoke
    2. P.Vale
    3. Bolton
    4. WBA
    5. Stockport
    6. Swansea
    
    After that I can't see much separating Reading, Brighton, Orient and
    Bradford.  Orient, like Reading, still have to play Bradford and
    Swansea.  Needless to say, if Swansea come unstuck at home to
    Huddersfield tomorrow then anything could happen.
    
    Chris
38.399PEKING::ROSECTue Apr 20 1993 12:264
    RE - 1
    
    Delete part about Williams being involved rather than Hopkins.  It was
    Hopkins.  210's report was inaccurate.
38.4008 points will be enough (I hope!)GVA02::LAINSBURYTop 6 by MayTue Apr 20 1993 16:3132
    RE:-2
    
    	Chris,
    
    	With the table you gave, that's the first time I've ever known you
    to be pessimistic. I still reckon we'll do it. Stockport have been on a
    bad run lately, and I believe they will be caught the chasing pack,
    opening two positions.
    
    	The top 4 have now run away with it, although I reckon Bolton will
    overtake Port Vale.
    
    	The next two positions, will be taken by two of six teams, although 
    if we beat both Bradford and Swansea, one defeat for any team could push 
    them out of the race. We have to win those two games, and I still think 
    two points from the other two games will be enough, because games will 
    be won and lost, and no team are going to win all their remaining games.
    
    	My prediction:
                         Pts
    	Stoke
    	Bolton
    	Port Vale
    	West Brom
    	Brighton           73
    	Reading            72
    
    	Brighton simply because they have the easiest run in - except
    Swansea who will stutter like Stockport.
    
    
    	Andy
38.4011-1 v WBAFORTY2::ROBERTSONLiving with Flamingos on the DELTAThu Apr 22 1993 18:515
Reading 1 - 1 WBA

WBA took the lead 34 mins, Parkinson equalised on 41.

Any Reports??
38.402Top of Div 2FORTY2::ROBERTSONLiving with Flamingos on the DELTAFri Apr 23 1993 13:4931
		    pld  f   a	pts	Max pts poss.
1   Stoke City	    42	70  32	86	98
2   Port Vale	    42	70  41	79	91
==================================
3   WBA		    43	78  52	76	85
4   Bolton	    41	69  39	75	90
5   Stockport	    42	78  53	68	80
6   Leyton Orient   43	64  48	66	75
==================================
7   Brighton	    43	59  53  66	75
8   Bradford	    43	64  61	65	74
9   Reading	    43	62  46	65	74
10  Swansea	    41	58  43	64	79

11  Rotherham	    43	55  56	59	68
12  Burnley	    43	54  52	59	68
13  Fulham	    43	49  52	58	67
14  Plymouth	    42	55  60	56	68


Only 4 points separating 6 clubs looking for 2 play-off places.
The best positioned team is Swansea with 2 games in hand. Reading can definitely
do themselves a favour by beating Swansea & Bradford, but unfortunately it's not
totally in our hands.

Teams from 11-14th can still mathematically make the play-offs, but that would
be highly unlikely


Al
38.403just in there !!PEKING::ROSECFri Apr 23 1993 18:3712
    re -1  Just about sums it up.
    
    Although Reading played well against WBA, a draw was probably a fair
    result.  It seemed as if we played with no full-backs (3-4-3
    formation), quite exciting but a bit dangerous.  WBA had 5 bookings -
    they were a bit physical, and were lucky to have 11 players at the end
    of the game.
    
    At least this season Reading are going into the last two weeks of the
    season with something to play for.  The feeling after Wednesday is that
    Reading need to win their last three games.  Bradford away tomorrow is
    a tough one. 
38.404They think it's all over.........GVA02::LAINSBURYTop 6 by MayFri Apr 23 1993 19:5021
    Re:-1
    	Just adding to that bit about still being in touch with 3 games to
    go. I'm just pleased that the season still has something left in it.
    For the last 4 years we have had extremely boring mid-table mediocrity,
    although we had to bite our nails when Branfoot was only 45 minutes
    from dropping us 2 divisions in 2 years !
    	Although our season only took an upturn from February, all season
    we've been playing good football, and looked way above most teams we
    have played. With the exception of the top four in the league, I would
    be confident of beating anybody. It's looking tight now, to win at
    Bradford and Plymouth is no mean feat, but even if we don't make it,
    McGhee has inbuilt the confidence in the players and supporters that
    next year we will definately be challenging. 
    
    	I've been to more games than ever this season and I've really enjoyed 
    watching Reading (except  vHull and Exeter) and am seriously unchuffed 
    I won't be around for next season.
    
    	Anyway, let's hope this one isn't finished by a long way.
    
    Andy..
38.405Bradford 3 Royals 0PEKING::ROSECSat Apr 24 1993 23:074
    0-3 at Bradford all but finishes Reading's season.  Brighton,  Orient
    and Stockport also lost.  As I said earlier, Swansea will probably take
    one of the play-off spots.  Both Swansea and Stockport play this
    Tuesday.
38.406There's always next year!!FORTY2::ROBERTSONLiving with Flamingos on the DELTAWed Apr 28 1993 18:5328
Well after last nights results it's as good as over.

Swansea & Stockport both won

Stockport now need a point ( but have scored far more goals so don't really need
it) and Swansea 2 to remove Reading from the fray

The table looks thus.....

1   Stoke City	43	71  32	    89
2   Port Vale	44	74  41	    85
-----------------------------------------
3   Bolton	43	76  40	    81
4   WBA		44	83  53	    79
5   Stockport	44	80  55	    71
6   Swansea	43	63  43	    70
-----------------------------------------
7   Bradford	44	67  61	    68
8   L. Orient	44	64  51	    66
9   Brighton	44	60  55	    66
10  Reading	44	62  49	    65


As long as the teams remains pretty much unchanged over the close season, and we
are lucky with injuries and suspensions, we should be in with another shot next
year

Al
38.407SUBURB::ABSOLOMTEgg and Sperm seperation sensationWed Apr 28 1993 20:1511
38.408playerSUBURB::SIMMONDSLWed Apr 28 1993 20:398
    Tony  
    
    You should play yourself  your such a player!!
    
    didn't you have trials?
    
    cheers
    then
38.409SUBURB::ABSOLOMTEgg and Sperm seperation sensationWed Apr 28 1993 21:305
    
    The only trials I've had Lewis were held at Reading Magistrates Court.
    
    Tony
    
38.410YES I SEESUBURB::SIMMONDSLWed Apr 28 1993 21:3217
    TONY 
    
    W   E     W  O  N  T     S   AY    W   H   AT    FOR    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    CAT RAPIST
38.4112-0PEKING::ROSECSun May 02 1993 23:0417
    Last home game of the season resulted in a well deserved 2-0 win over a
    very poor Swansea side.  Had Reading tried 10% harder (which was well
    within their capabilities) the result would have been a 5 or 6 goal
    win.  Swansea only came into the game with ten minutes to go, and it
    was all to late.
    
    Although mathamatically Reading are still involved, probably until
    Tuesday when Swansea play Wigan (only a Wigan win will make it go to
    the last game of the season), Swansea are likely to take the sixth
    spot.  Whoever they play in the play-offs won't matter, because
    Swansea won't be going any further.
    
    Dillon played, after missing the last four, and he was quite clearly a
    class above anything else on the pitch. Reading have missed this guy
    recently.
    
    Gooding won the player of the year vote.
38.412Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.GVA02B::LAINSBURYTop 6 by MayMon May 03 1993 14:4715
     No surprise about Gooding, he has been by far the most consistently
    good player throughout the season, and especially in the last third.
    As Chris said, we need too many results to go our way for us to get to
    the play-offs, but we can still hope.
    
     I heard there was some trouble at Elm Park. Being stuck out here I
    don't know what happened. Was there trouble ? What happened ? Did the
    Welsh attack with there lethal leeks ? Or was it their blow up sheep ?
    
    
     Anyway, c'mon Wigan !
    
    
    Andy.
    
38.413sheep out of control...PEKING::BAREFIELDAJACK CHARLTON IS DESPICABLETue May 04 1993 11:4611
    
    Shop windows were broken on the Oxford road as Swansea made their
    way to the ground, also as i came out of the southcote a fight
    broke out on the bath road. Inside the ground was a nightmare, stewards
    were leading about three Swansea fans around the pitch when one decided
    to jump in the southbank. He received a bit of a slap, this angered
    the Swansea fans so they invaded the pitch and also run towards
    the southbank. The game stared 15 minutes late... When Reading 
    scored the second they started trying to pull the fencing off, which
    towards the end of the match they did.
    
38.414PEKING::ROSECTue May 04 1993 13:2610
    If Swansea fans get upset every time they go 2 goals down, and they
    manage to win through the play-offs (which I doubt), they had better
    get used to it.
    
    Re tonights game, Swansea vs Wigan. I did not realise just what a bad
    run Wigan are going through.....lost last six, scored two, conceded
    seventeen, relegated on Saturday, last home crowd was 1400.  Not a
    chance I'm afraid.
    
    Chris
38.415What are the odds???FORTY2::ROBERTSONLiving with Flamingos on the DELTATue May 04 1993 14:5814
The only way Reading can go through to the play-offs is if 

		Wigan win tonight
		Leyton Orient draw with Swansea on Sat.
		Bradford don't win on Sat.
		Reading win on Sat.

Not too hopeful, as Chris said, but at least Reading have managed to
keep interest throughout the whole season.

I'll probably go to a few more games next year if they keep playing
as they have this season

Al
38.416SUBURB::ABSOLOMTEgg and Sperm seperation sensationTue May 04 1993 16:378
    
    Mind you, one good thing came of Saturday. Apparently the burger bar
    got a right doing over. I hope they took the burgers with them.
    
    My mate reckons it was the worst trouble he's ever seen at Reading.
    
    Tony
    
38.417PEKING::BAREFIELDAJACK CHARLTON IS DESPICABLETue May 04 1993 17:235
    
    The worst trouble at elm park has to be when Bristol City visited
    in 1984....
    
    Andy...B
38.418ESB::WARDTue May 04 1993 18:275
    Well it was bad enough to get a page on BBC Ceefax all by itself on
    Saturday night.   And the police and assorted alsations were still
    at the railway station @19h30 when I got back into Reading.
    
    Ray
38.419TRUCKS::SANTNostalgia *is* what it used to be...Tue May 04 1993 19:1420
    
    	re .417..
    
    	Well I'm glad to hear it wasn't any worse than that shameful
    	display.
    
    	I was in the South Bank at Elm Park that day, and the behaviour
    	of the Bristol City lot was disgusting. Terry Cooper averted a
    	certain riot by his intervention imo..
    
    	The Reading fans that day were marvelous. Maybe they were scared
    	to get involved, but thank heavens they were. A very nasty
    	incident was isolated by some very brave policing. I saw two
    	coppers get hit by flying chunks of the Reading End terrace. 
    	Anyone who thinks that's funny isn't right in the head themselves..
    
    	No doubt one or two would say the police "over-reacted". Genghis
    	Khan here would have set the dogs on 'em...
                                     
    	Andy.
38.420There's always next year - as they sayFORTY2::ROBERTSONLiving with Flamingos on the DELTAWed May 05 1993 15:4814
Well, at 8-15 last night, I was listening to R 5 when they gave out the
latest scores.

	Swansea 0  Wigan 1

I almost crashed the car.

Unfortunately that was as good as it got as Swansea got 2 later in the 
game to secure a play-off place and deny Reading :-(

A win on Sat with Bradford & Leyton Orient not winning would put us
a very respectable 7th

Al
38.421SUBURB::ABSOLOMTEgg and Sperm seperation sensationWed May 05 1993 16:196
    
     The chairman should plough money in. The games should be changed to a
    Friday.
    
    Tony
    
38.422Roll on 93/94PEKING::ROSECWed May 05 1993 17:4838
    Interesting points Tony, but let's not forget......
    
    Re - The Chairman. Frank Waller was here for years (1950's-1980's ??)
    and all the time he was here any funds used for the benefit of the club
    were self-generating.  Waller was bad news !!!  When he was eventually
    hounded out, anybody could have come in.  It wouldn't have mattered
    who it was because Waller was about to amalgamate Royals with Oxford!
    Roger Smee took over.  Mr Smee is a business man and he was aiming to
    make money from Reading FC rather than put money into it.  When his
    personal empire began to crumble (two years ago), he pi**ed off.
    
    John Madjeski took over a totally broke club, massive debts etc etc.
    If you ever speak to the guy he admits he is not a football fan, BUT he
    has ploughed over a million quid into the club already, and he has
    avoided the club following Maidstone and Aldershot.
    
    You have to have stability off the field as your first priority.  A
    classic example.......The guy from Newcastle that nearly joined
    Reading on transfer deadline day.  The Post said he would cost
    100,000....what they didn't mention is that he also asked for 100,000
    for signing-on fees and house relocation!!!  Not on really !
    
    With the ridiculous fees branded around, the best bet for lower league
    clubs is to utilise your youth policy.  This season at Elm Park I have
    seen Williams, Taylor, Holzmann, Lovell, Lambert, Gray, Barkus and
    Bass - the oldest is 22!!
    
    I'll be the first to admit that one or two signings would help, but
    quite frankly some of Reading's younger players are better than the
    players in the 100,000+ bracket.
    
    To be successful ie get out of Div Two - Reading need to keep Madjeski
    as chairman, McGhee as manager, sign maybe one or two players before
    next season, and then we'll do it.
    
    Do you know that the new season starts 14 weeks on Saturday !!!
    
    Chris
38.423SUBURB::ABSOLOMTEgg and Sperm seperation sensationWed May 05 1993 21:5426
    
    I agree whole-heartedly with everything you've said there. However our
    youth/reserve policy has recently been seriously down-graded and the
    chances of the number/quality of players you've mentioned coming
    through in the NEXT three years isn't as good.
    
    My reasoning for the Friday night switch is that Reading (and
    surrounding areas) has one of the biggest local football set-ups in the
    country. And one of the best may I add. This means, by my crude
    calculations, that 3-4 thousand football fans are busy playing the game
    in the area whilst Reading are kicking off.
    
    Lets say that 25% would watch their local team if they didn't play
    football. An extra thousand. Take into account an average "crowd" of
    one fan per player. An extra thousand. Add on wifes, kids, pals, dads
    etc etc etc and I think that the gates would swell by three thousand a
    game. 
    
    Then we would have the cash needed for investment not only on players,
    but also on the over all infrastructure of the club.
    
    What I'm saying is the club needs to innovative and ambitious NOT
    restrictive and tight.
    
    Tony
    
38.424Friday NightsGVA02::LUANDA::&lt;your name&gt;Fri May 07 1993 15:5129
Tony,

I don't know about your Friday night games idea. To me, Saturday afternoon 
is footy afternoon, and Friday night is a beer night.(I suppose you could 
combine the two !) Another problem with Friday nights is the away fans.
It's great for you, and many like yourself as you mentioned who play on a 
Saturday, and I think the crowd may be boosted on the occasional Friday 
night.

But what about the fans from Hartlepool, Bradford, Hull, Plymouth, etc. who 
have to get to Elm Park on a Friday night. As a reasonably regular away 
traveller I would not go to Friday night games, unless it were local (south 
of Watford and east of Bristol) or unless it were a really big game.
Half the reason for the away day Saturday is not only to support your team , 
but to have a good day out !

There are benefits to Friday night games in terms of home support - just 
look at what Stockport and Tranmere have achieved, mostly because of their 
home records.

I think the occasional Friday night game is not a bad idea (Fulham worked 
this season 7000+) against a 'local' team, but to totally change would not 
get my vote.

As for youth team - Because we would have won a major trophy within 3 years, 
we needn't worry about affording to buy players !


Andy
38.425Plymouth 2 Reading 2 - re +.1FORTY2::ROBERTSONLiving with Flamingos on the DELTAMon May 10 1993 17:3610
Well we ended up in 8th place behind Orient, with the
6 Chris predicted in .398 taking the Promotion/play-off
places, if not quite in that order.

A couple of signings over the summer to strengthen the 
squad, and hopefully a lack of departures should give
us a good opportunity for going a step or two closer next
season

Al
38.426TRUCKS::SANTThis is as good as it gets!Mon May 10 1993 18:089
    
    	>                  -< Preston 2  Reading 2 >-
    
    	I think it was Plymouth instead of Preston, Al ;-)
    
    	Oh, and for the benefit of Barry, apologies for this note being so
    	boring...
    
    	Andy.
38.427SUBURB::COMMITCommit GroupMon May 10 1993 18:371
    ZZZZZZzzzzzzzz
38.428NewsFORTY2::ROBERTSONLiving with Flamingos on the DELTATue May 11 1993 13:597
Mark McGhee has signed a new contract that will keep him at the club
until 1996.

Also Steve Richardson, the longest serving player in the squad has
been given a free transfer.

Al
38.429Unwarranted recordGVA02::LUANDA::LAINSBURYThis is the One !Wed May 12 1993 17:1914
Did you know ?

Reading actually came third in one table this year:

The discipline table.
	
With 75 bookings and 5 sending offs we had the third worst record in all 4 
divisions behind Cambridge and Torquay. So I think the club can expect a 
hefty fine.

There's two solutions for this problem next year. One is to get decent refs 
who don't give unnecessary bookings, and the second is to sell Kevin Dillon.

Andy.
38.430PLUNDR::MORANTripple ripple truffle shufflerWed May 12 1993 17:236
    
> who don't give unnecessary bookings, and the second is to sell Kevin Dillon.
    
    Surely you mean give him away. ;-)
    
    Tim
38.431PEKING::ROSECWed May 12 1993 17:3222
    RE -1
    
    Unfortunately, two of Reading's better players have diabolical
    disciplinary records.....being Dillon and Parkinson.  Although I am a
    McGhee fan, he does not exactly set a good example.
    
    Richardson going is no surprise....he is injury prone, he is not a
    first choice player and he is not he player he was 5/6 years ago.
    
    Although I am always fairly optimistic, I am sure that Reading will
    finish in the top six next season (hopefully top two).  I am not just
    saying this because I support Reading.  I have seen all the teams in
    the Second Div this season, and Reading were about the fifth best team
    I saw.  The only team coming down from the first who IMO will do well
    is possibly Cambridge, and from the Third possibly Cardiff.
    
    I would expect the losers of the play-off, either P.Vale or WBA, and
    Reading, Cambridge, Huddersfield and Burnley to scrap for the top
    places.
    
    Chris
    
38.432told you so!SUBURB::ABSOLOMTalright guvWed May 19 1993 16:309
    
    I thank you, I thank you. In last nights Evening Post John Madjeski
    announced plans to switch all Royals home games to Friday for next
    season.
    
    AND, he lists reasons that I've mentioned!!
    
    Tony
    
38.433See you there.GVA02::LUANDA::McGheeManager.Fri May 28 1993 21:0212
Mr. Absolom,

	I hope this means that we will be seeing you at Elm Park more
often. We need someone to get the crowd behind the team. Practice your
vocal chords over the summer, and learn the words to the Reading Anthem:
	'U R's'   'U R's'
	
	It takes a bit of getting used to , but I'm sure your work 
colleagues won't mind if you practice it during your lunch hour.

Best Regards,
MM
38.434Choir PracticeSUBURB::ABSOLOMTalright guvTue Jun 01 1993 14:546
    Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Rrrrrr's -- Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Rrrrrr's - Uuu
    uuuuu, nope, not right. Start again, UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU RRRRRRRRRRR
    RRR's -- UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR's, UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
    RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR,s...............
    
    Tony
38.435SUBURB::ABSOLOMTEight days &amp; countingMon Jun 07 1993 14:466
    
    Madjeski has scrapped the Friday footy idea. Bastardo. This means that
    the Royals will miss my advice and insight for most of next year.
    
    Tony
    
38.436'The lads did well'GVA02::LUANDA::BaskervilleEvening PostMon Jun 07 1993 15:347
RE:-1

	And I had you down for the 'Fan's Verdict' as well !
	Maybe next year.

Regards,
Clive
38.437PEKING::ROSECThu Jun 10 1993 12:343
    Good to see that Season ticket sales are doing well.  Reading have
    taken nearly 48 grand so far, the same as the whole of last year.  This
    means sales are about 50% up.
38.438Invest NOW!GVA02::LUANDA::MadjeskiCars go faster in the Trader !!Wed Jun 16 1993 15:166
	Hey, I won 5 pounds as a consolation winner in the 
Royals Blue Chip Draw !!! That's 6% of my investment back already !!

	
Regards,
JM
38.439nutter !PEKING::ROSECWed Jun 16 1993 18:026
    Well I've just emptied my pocket of 120 well-earned sovs.  I've just
    been to Elm Park and bought my first season ticket for 5 years.
    I can hardly wait for that mid-winter Tuesday night game at home to
    Huddersfield in the pouring rain !!
    
    
38.440SUBURB::ABSOLOMTEighteen days &amp; countingThu Jun 17 1993 17:4010
38.441A sort of investmentPEKING::ROSECThu Jun 17 1993 18:0221
    Whether I've been dealt a full deck of cards is questionable, but I'e
    only missed a dozen games at Elm Park in the last 19 years - so for me
    it's sensible to get a season ticket.
    
    For those that have read my notes, you know that my only gripe is about
    committment.  Quite frankly, as long as the players try and always give
    100%, I feel I've got value for money.  It's when some players waltz
    through the game like its a bloody training session that my blood
    boils.
    
    Another reason I've bought a season ticket is that for the first time
    in years, as I have said before, McGhee is TRYING to bring back
    football to Elm Park.  Whether it is successful or not is almost
    immaterial - people obviously like to watch it (gates 24% up last
    season).
    
    Anyway if Reading do play badly, the performance can always be blamed
    on injuries, suspensions, weather, refereeing, length of the grass etc
    etc.
    
    The first league game of the season is eight weeks on Saturday !!
38.442SUBURB::ABSOLOMTNineteen days and countingFri Jun 18 1993 15:269
    
    I will be attending a lot more this year. Sadly a persistant cartilige
    injury is going to keep me out next season.
    
    Tony
    
    
    
    
38.443New left-backPEKING::ROSECTue Jul 13 1993 12:376
    Reading seemed to have signed Dylan Kerr - a left-back from Leeds for
    75 grand.  He played 11 games for Leeds last season as deputy for
    Dorigo.  Apparently he can also play in the centre of defence or
    midfield.
    
    Chris 
38.444Wan-Kerr???SUBURB::ABSOLOMTForty four days and countingTue Jul 13 1993 17:498
38.445Division 2GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyRFC Div.2 Champs 94Thu Jul 15 1993 15:4418
Thanks for that Tony.

	With only 4 weeks to go to Readings glorious season and not alot of 
action in the notes file, let's get some views on the division. Reading will 
be challenging this year, of that we can be sure, but who will be our main 
rivals. Will Port Vale continue where they left off ?, will Bournemouth 
suddenly ascend from the doldrums (I hope not)?, will Hull continue to beat 
us at home in their usual spawny fashion ?, will Orient be unbeatable at 
home (except to us) ?, or will Brentford go straight back up - I hope not ?
	All these questions and more must be answered.

	My prediction for the top 4 in any order.
	Reading
	Port Vale
	Plymouth
	Bradford

Andy
38.446Vale and usPEKING::ROSECThu Jul 15 1993 21:119
    I'll stick to my note in here dated 12th May.
    
    Top four - P.VALE
    	       READING
               HUDDERSFIELD
               BURNLEY
    
    By my reckoning, Reading's first two games, Huddersfield away and
    Burnley at home are tough.  
38.447Div 1 Here we comeUBOHUB::CAPEL_SMon Jul 19 1993 16:4710
    
    My top four have to be :
    
    		Stockport
    		Reading
    		P.Vale
    		Leyton Orient
    
    
    Shaun
38.448Coca-Cola CupUBOHUB::CAPEL_STue Jul 20 1993 20:338
    
    Reading have been drawn at home to Northampton in the first round of
    the Coca-Cola Cup.
    
    First leg on Wednesday 18th August
    
    
    Shaun
38.449Roll on Aug 14thPEKING::ROSECThu Jul 22 1993 17:2024
    Reading's first pre-season friendly resulted in a 2-1 victory over
    Chelsea on Tuesday night.  The game became more competitive as it went
    on.  Williams scored a tap in for the first goal, Chelsea equalised
    just before half time. Quinn scored a penalty about 10 minutes from the
    end.
    
    Our best players were (in order) Shaka Hislop, Tom Jones and Hopkins. 
    Chelsea's best player was Wise.  Missing from Reading's team were Kerr
    (new left full-back), Gilkes, Parkinson and Taylor.  Reading made three
    substitutions, bringing on Hislop, Gray and Gooding for Francis,
    Lambert and Holzmann.
    
    Bearing in mind that friendlies mean nothing, the crowd of 4200 was
    fairly good.
    
    Reading travel to Bath on Saturday before playing WBA at home
    next Tuesday.
    
    One final thing, Hoddle had a right winge about Reading's first goal
    being offside - both in the paper and on TV.  SO WHAT  - calm down pal.
    Actually it wasn't offside - the officials (for a change) were
    sensible.
    
    
38.450Francis goneUBOHUB::CAPEL_STue Jul 27 1993 18:555
    
    Steve Francis has signed for Huddersfield, fee to be arranged.
    
    Shaun
    
38.451PEKING::ROSECWed Jul 28 1993 12:373
    Reading won their third pre-season friendly last night.  After beating
    Bath City 2-1 on Saturday (Lovell scoring twice), Reading beat WBA 2-1
    last night (Quinn and Williams scoring).  
38.452we'll miss ya SteveSUBURB::ABSOLOMTFifty four days and countingSat Jul 31 1993 17:378
    
    If Francis has left, that obviously means Shaka is no1, but who is
    back-up??
    
    Tony
    
    
    
38.453Tommy Wright?????????FORTY2::ROBERTSONLiving with Flamingos on the DELTAMon Aug 02 1993 14:307
I read in last week's Chronicle that McGhee was hoping to sign Tommy Wright from
Newcastle. This was when there was talk about Flowers moving from Southampton up
to Newcastle. However, this has probably all changed since then. 10 days is a
long time in football.


Al
38.4544 friendly wins, no pointsPEKING::ROSECMon Aug 02 1993 16:3513
    I reckon Shaka Hislop will start as no.1 for the season - I've got no
    idea who the back-up is.   
    
    Reading beat Calne Town of the Beazer Homes League 5-0 away on
    Saturday.  One friendly match left (thank god!) against Portsmouth on
    Wednesday.
    
    I also saw that James Lambert is in a bit of bother - something in the
    paper linked him with a assault charge, I think it said he's bailed to
    appear in court in September.  Shame he doesn't show that sort of
    aggression on the football field !
    
    Chris          
38.455PEKING::ROSECThu Aug 05 1993 17:165
    Reading lost their last pre-season friendly 0-1 to Portsmouth last
    night.  During the game Reading made 6 or 7 substitutions - basically
    giving everybody a run out who was fit.
    
    That's it until Aug 14th - Huddersfield away
38.456SUBURB::ABSOLOMTSixty two days and countingSun Aug 08 1993 17:5316
    
    Well, it seems that Reading & Micheal Gilkes are no more! Gilkes has
    repeatedly turned down new contracts over the summer and it seems that
    he walked out of the squad photo session.
    
    Lewis and McGhee seem to have lost all interest in his behaviour with
    Lewis saying, "I've got a filing cabinet with files on 30 odd players,
    a sixth of which is taken up with reports about Micheal. He is finished
    with this club as far as I'm concerned".
    
    A sad case of delusions of grandeur from Gilkes me thinks.
    
    Tony
    
    
    
38.457Gilkes U-turnRDGENG::CHALFONTTue Aug 10 1993 16:3113
According to last night's evening post, Gilkes has apologised and McGhee and
Lewis are willing to accept this. Gilkes is therefore going to sign a two-year
contract but this is all subject to Madjeski agreeing. He left to go on holiday
saying the offer to Gilkes had been withdrawn. McGhee is therefore trying to
contact him to talk it over but is hopeful Gilkes will be playing on Saturday
against Huddersfield.

Reading also hope to sign David Rush from Sunderland but this is dependant on
the tribunal deciding in Reading's favour over the Steve Francis transfer. This
will be known today.


Neil
38.458PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURWed Aug 11 1993 17:006
38.459Top of the league!!FORTY2::ROBERTSONLiving with Flamingos on the DELTAMon Aug 16 1993 14:1810
At 1pm saturday I passed the Junction on the M1 to Huddersfield and said to my
Wife that she could drop me off here, but she didn't :-( and I had to be content
with spending an anxious Saturday afternoon in Harrogate.

But what a start to the season. A convincing 3-0 Thrashing, and I'm definitely
not talking to her at the moment :-) !!

Any reports

Al
38.460SUBURB::ABSOLOMTSeventy nine days and countingTue Aug 17 1993 16:536
    
    Have we signed David Rush yet????
    
    Tony
    
    
38.461Rush deal on iceRDGENG::CHALFONTWed Aug 18 1993 16:4424
38.4623-0PEKING::ROSECThu Aug 19 1993 12:2216
    Last night   -   READING  3   Northampton 0
    
    After a fairly dissapointing first-half, Reading had a purple patch for
    the first twenty minutes of the second half.  Quinn scored a header,
    then Lovell scored after a superb run from Gilkes, and finally
    Parkinson scored from inside the area.  To be honest, Northampton
    played quite well - both sides hit the bar, but overall Reading
    deserved to win.  The second leg isn't for three weeks, but I can't
    imagine that being a problem.
    
    Reading's best player was Dylan Kerr - a great game both defensively
    and attacking.
    
    Next one is Burnley at home on Saturday.
    
    Chris
38.463TRUCKS::SANTso near yet sofa...Thu Aug 19 1993 13:004
    
    	..and the Clarets'll do ya!
    
    	2-1 to Burnley (promotion this year)
38.464FORTY2::FOWLERMCome the glorious dayThu Aug 19 1993 15:2826
My first trip to Elm Park last night, and I liked what I saw.

Reading were good for the win, but the crowd couldn't even put together a decent
"aaaaaaaaahhhhhhh...you're s**t" when their goalie took a kick. What is the
world coming to?

Reading passed it about a lot in midfield, but it was noticeable that none of
their goals came from this arty-farty nonsense, Instead, two came from good
old-fashioned corners and the other from a great run by Michael Gilkes who used
strength and speed to round the Northampton right-back before knocking it into
the middle for a nice tap-in.

English football was built not on continental style midfield meanderings but on
exciting, aggressive direct football. Not direct in the sense of long balls but
direct in the sense of running at the goal rather than building up gradually.
This style of football led Man U to the Premier title last year and, though it
pains me to the very pit of my soul to admit it, it was nice to see. 

(I remember watching the Villa-Man U game on Sky last season and the feeling
pant-filling panic everytime the reds got the ball and ran at our goal. Villa
looked very pretty but weren't what you'd call scary.)

I hope more teams this year learn from the Manc example, but I'll certainly go
back to watch the Royals again regardless.

Mike
38.465SUBURB::ABSOLOMTEighty days and countingFri Aug 20 1993 21:557
    
    Five years ago, you wouldn't of dreamed that that someone would call
    Reading a footballing side!!
    
    Tony
    
    
38.466Another very good performancePEKING::ROSECMon Aug 23 1993 12:3313
    You would now !!!  
    
    The Clarets didn't do Reading 2-1, they got done 2-1.  And as
    the Burnley fans I spoke to after the game agreed, they felt they were
    quite lucky to get off with only a 2-1 defeat.
    Once again Reading had one superb spell, this time it was the first
    half.  The score was 2-0 but could easily have been 4.
    
    McPherson signed a new deal before the game.  I have also heard that
    Lambert (who can't even get on the subs bench) is just about to join
    Blackburn on loan.
    
    Chris 
38.467RDGENG::CHALFONTMon Aug 23 1993 13:0224
My first visit to Elm park this season for what I thought would be a tough game.
However, in the first thirty minutes, Reading were excellent playing some great
passing football and, if it hadn't been for some good goalkeeping and better
finishing Reading would have won very easily. 
 
The team obviously has a lot of confidence at present and McGhee has bought
wisely. Both full backs played well and it was great to see Kerr go on a forward
run to the edge of the opponents box and Gilkes run back to take Kerr's place
at left back. I can't remember when Gilkes last had the commitment to do this.

I can't say I thought McGhee was the best man for the job when he was
appointed manager but he is doing an excellent job. It was also nice to see
Madejski speak to the crowd before the game and outline his hopes and plans 
which include buying a new striker (and he named Rush of Sunderland) in the
near future.

Quinn scored after 10 minutes from a great build up and McPherson scored after
26 minutes from a corner. Burnley scored from a penalty with five minutes left
and to be honest, it was probably the only way they were going to score.


Neil 

 
38.468FORTY2::FOWLERMCome the glorious dayMon Aug 23 1993 13:078
Is the Lambert that is rumoured to be signing for a loan spell with Blackburn
the 19 year old? He was featured in 90 minutes magazine this month as a Young
Eagle i.e. in their opinion a player to watch out for along with Robbie Fowler
et. al.

If he's that good why can't he get a place?

Mike
38.469SUBURB::ABSOLOMTeighty four days and countingMon Aug 23 1993 13:3017
    
    Lambert...
    He was a four match wonder. Runs head down, normally towards the corner
    flag.      
    
    Reading were very good Saturday, very confident. However, they have to
    be careful that they don't get too arrogant. They were letting Burnley
    run at them and it was beginning to look dangerous.
    
    Brentford watch out.
    
    Tony
    
    
     
    
    
38.470SUBURB::ABSOLOMTEighty seven days and countingWed Aug 25 1993 21:186
    
    I'm off to Brentford Saturday. Any of you boys going?
    
    Tony
    
    
38.471PEKING::ROSECThu Aug 26 1993 17:2410
    From the coversations I had last Saturday at Elm Park I seem to be the
    only Royals fan NOT going to Brentford.  I foolishly agreed to take my
    missus and kid away this weekend.  At least I've got two games next
    week to go to.
    
    By the way, as long as Reading avoid a disaster at Northampton in the
    second leg of the League Cup 1st round, we've drawn Man City over two
    legs in the second round.
    
    Chris
38.472Pred: Bees 0 RFC 1GVA02::LUANDA::QUINNJimmy - N.Ire InternationalFri Aug 27 1993 12:3311
I think it's time for revenge. 

City are definately on the downward slope at the moment, let's hope they 
don't pick up before we play them.

Tony, are you feeling OK ? Not only have you been to a home match you're 
even becoming an away supporter. What's next, trading in the MUFC shirt for 
those blue and white hoops ? 8^)


The man who wishes he could go to Brentford.
38.473Brentford 1 Reading 0SUBURB::ABSOLOMTEighty seven days and countingSun Aug 29 1993 18:1645
    
    And I'll be going to many more if over 2000 others do as well! 
    
    What a mental occasion!!! We couldn't get in the ground until 3:15 and
    then we had to stand in a cordoned-off bit of the home end. There were
    miiiiiillllions of happy Reading fans there. And what's more, no-one
    looked like starting trouble until the idiotic local Police geed-up a
    part of the section I was in. And why oh why were they stopping people
    put there flags up?? Pure clueless idiots. (as were the stewards).
    Cracking line from one of the mounties with attitude..
    
    Fan: Why can't we go in?
    Cop: There aren't enough stewards to cope.
    Fan: (feeling proud) That's Reading FC for yer!
    Cop: (smugly) There's not many of you here.
    Fan: Then why the f*** can't you plonkers get us in the ground.
    Cop  Errrrrm......
    
    The game, well, Reading's passing game was badly out of touch in the
    first half. Far too many passes went astray, and one from Gilkes led to
    the break from which Joe Allan scored. (he was a prat btw). McPherson
    really should have cleared but was in slow motion.
    
    Brentford then controlled the half and were deserved leaders at h-t.
    However, after the break the Royals took the game to them and tried in
    vain to level matters. A Lovell (I think) header shaved the post,
    Gilkes hit the side netting, a Jones scorcher nearly went in, and I
    thought Lovell was pulled down in the box.
    
    Brentfords very good defence held out, they could have scored a couple
    more themselves. Not many teams will beat them at Griffin Park thi
    year.
    
    I felt Parkinson was outstanding, Quinn was in the centre-halfs pocket,
    Gilkes was the biggest hope of breaking them down, Shaka was brave as
    ever and McPherson/Williams looked a bit shaky.
    
    In summary, absymal linesman (about 18 years old), a referee that
    couldn't keep up, crap away fan facilities, terrible stewards/cops, a
    draw would have been fair.
    
    Tony
    
    ps anyone hear that doddy old winger on 606??
    
38.474come on you R'sSUBURB::ABSOLOMTNinety four days and countingWed Sep 01 1993 19:327
    
    Reading v Barnet tonite at Elm Park. I predict a 2-1 victory for the
    Royals against a Barnet side desperate not to lose again.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.475up to 3rdSUBURB::ABSOLOMTNinety four days and countingThu Sep 02 1993 13:1512
    
    Well, very good news and very bad news. 
    
    The Royals won 4-1 against Brnet last night. Scorers were Gooding,
    Parkinson, Quinn & Gilkes.
    
    The bad news is a late,late horror tackle has broken Tom Jones's leg in
    the same place as last year.
    
    Tony
    
     
38.476Top ThreePEKING::ROSECThu Sep 02 1993 21:3215
    Thank God we only have to play Barnet twice a season, our squad isn't
    big enough.  Barnet will be leaving Div Two by one of two options this
    season - relegated or folded (due to financial reasons).
    Reading played well in patches but still looked a class above Barnet.
    Unfortunately a serious injury to Jones and almost certainly injuries
    for others (Gilkes is one) looks like depleting the squad early in the
    season.
    
    Gooding played superbly, as usual, and when called upon Hislop made a
    couple of good saves - he's a right character.
    
    Nice to see the Reading crowd boo Barnet off the pitch at the end  -
    'cos they bloody deserved it!
    
    Anyway, three more points and four goals was handy.
38.477SUBURB::ABSOLOMTNinety four days and countingFri Sep 03 1993 14:246
    
    Do you think Jones will sue?? I would.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.478IMOGVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyStar StrikerFri Sep 03 1993 16:0829
RE:-1

I don't know about all this suing lark. What with Beardsley suing Ruddock as 
well I think it's getting out of hand.

No matter how much of a thug the Barnet player was, I find it hard to 
believe that anyone would actually go out to break anyone's leg.

I haven't seen the tackle so I can't comment on how late it was, but I feel 
that there will be court cases after every game at this rate. The trouble 
now is that precedents have been set, take Hicks v Futcher, Uzzel v Blisset 
and Absolom v Brentford Police. Every Tom (Jones) Dick and Harry wants to 
get in on the act now.

Obviously sometimes it is justified, take Paul Davis laying out Glenn 
Cockerill, but most of the time I feel it is up to the FA to look at videos 
and fine players. But then the money will go into their executive lunch 
kitty and days out at Wembley comittee - perhaps that's not a good idea 
after all.

I don't know what the solution is but as much as I am feeling for Tom Jones, 
injuries are part and parcel of football. It SHOULD be up to the referees to 
stamp out the bad tackles.

Oh well, on the bright side, a 3-0 win tomorrow.

Andy


38.479??UBOHUB::CAPEL_SFri Sep 03 1993 19:0911
    
    Andy
    
    What's this "Star Striker" have you moved up the field since you 
    left us.......
    
    Shaun
    
    
    
    
38.480Dreeeeeam.........GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyStar StrikerMon Sep 06 1993 16:175
RE-1: Shaun,

	Even Jimmy Quinn learnt his trade from me.


38.481Royals 3 - 1 CambridgeFORTY2::ROBERTSONLiving with Flamingos on the DELTAMon Sep 06 1993 16:3110
Another win on Saturday with goals coming from Quinn (2) & Parkinson.

Still in 3rd behind Stockport & Hull by a point.

Wed is the second leg of the CC v Northampton. Should be no problems,
and another trip to Maine Road is on the cards

Al

P.S. Why wasn't the second leg played when all the others were ???
38.482Another winPEKING::ROSECMon Sep 06 1993 16:4126
    Firstly,  the second leg against N'ton is tomorrow. The reason for
    the delay was that N'tonshire were still playing cricket and part of
    the football pitch is used as a car park!!!
    Although financially two games against Man City is handy - the out and
    out top priority is promotion.
    
    A sound performance by the Royals on Saturday with my top marks going
    to Gooding.  Also very good performances from both full-backs (Kerr and
    Ranson) and the front three (Quinn, Lovell and Gilkes).
    
    Surprising to see the captain McPherson dropped to sub - was he unfit??
    
    If Gilkes and Kerr had shown a little more composure in front of goal
    the Royals would have scored 5.  However, I'm not complaining. 
    Cambridge started the game strongly but once Reading took the lead they
    looked the better team - and for a while in the second half they
    steam-rollered all over Cambridge.  The effect of this is that with
    about 15 minutes to go most Reading players are knackered but by then
    they've done the business.
    
    After tomorrow's game, Reading have two away league games - Wrexham on
    Saturday and Bradford a week Wednesday.
    
    We've got 12 points - this time last season we had 2.
    
    Chris 
38.483City here we comeUBOHUB::CAPEL_SWed Sep 08 1993 12:4511
    
    
    Last nights result
    
    	Northampton  0   Reading  2
                            
                          Gray
                          Dillon
    
    
    Shaun
38.484SUBURB::ABSOLOMTONE HUNDRED DAYS AND COUNTING!!!Wed Sep 08 1993 15:237
38.485BLKPUD::WATTERSONPCan I speak to an adult ?Wed Sep 08 1993 15:306
    
    Which Andy Gray ?
    
    Has the one that played for Everton given up his job on Sky ?
    
    Paul
38.486PLUNDR::MORANUntil DEC doth us part!Wed Sep 08 1993 15:343
    
    Paul, that joke has been cracked already, on Sky last night. Wasn't
    funny then ;-)
38.487the other other QuinnSIOG::A_KELLYThu Sep 09 1993 14:386
38.488SuperJimmySUBURB::ABSOLOMTONE HUNDRED DAYS AND COUNTING!!!Thu Sep 09 1993 16:366
38.489Attracting InterestRDGENG::CHALFONTFri Sep 10 1993 16:4112
38.490SUBURB::ABSOLOMTOne o three and countingFri Sep 10 1993 20:076
    
    I thought Lambert has been sent back for refusing to train.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.491PEKING::ROSECTue Sep 14 1993 12:0614
    RE -1  Apparently Lambert is still with Blackburn and he's played a
    couple of reserve games.
    
    Reports indicate that Reading played cr*p against Wrexham.  Not exactly
    the right preparation for the trip to Bradford tomorrow.  Bradford's
    home record is played 3, won 3, scored 10, conceded 1.  
    
    The consolation is that if someone had said that Reading would be
    fourth after six matches I would have accepted that.
    
    One final point, Reading will not be increasing charges for the Man
    City CC Cup game - quite right to.
    
    Chris
38.492Stuffed TigersGVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyStar StrikerWed Sep 15 1993 16:2711
Re:-1
	The Wrexham result doesn't look so bad when you see that 
	last night, current leaders Hull got stuffed 3-0 there, but
	Stockport won 2-1 at York.
	
	A win tonight puts us 1 point behind Hull and Stockport.

	Pred:A lone Gilkes goal enough to see us through.

Andy
	
38.493YeeeeessssssssssGVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyStar StrikerThu Sep 16 1993 12:1114
	I had to be first in there with this one. Superb result last night.

	Bradford 2 Reading 4. (Parkinson,Lovell,Quinn2)
  
	We were 4-0 up at one stage.

	If the 2nd division didn't realise that we mean business, then they 
	do now !

	Quinn 8,Lovell, Parkinson 4 each in just 9 games !!!

	And 18 goals in 7 league games.

	Come on U R's !
38.494Why leave Reading ?WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenThu Sep 16 1993 12:4213
    Re: Lambert
    
    He scored for the reserves the other night, i'll pass on whatever
    Saturdays programme says about it. 
    
    You have to be pretty good to be playing in the reserve team at the moment,
    he was the only one who hadn't appeared for the first team.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy
    
    Andy
38.495What a team !!!SIOG::A_KELLYThu Sep 16 1993 14:0811
    re .492
    
    > a lone strike for a 1-0 win...
    
    Well close but no cigar....but I guess you're not worried about that
    now.
    
    Could this be Reading's season, with Jimmy Quinn coming through in the
    twilight of his late career....I certainly hope so!
    
    Good Luck.....Ned
38.496PEKING::ROSECMon Sep 20 1993 17:4716
    Another three points on Saturday, although it was close.  Quinny scored
    a superb goal in the last minute to clinch it.
    
    Bad points - defensively we missed Ranson and both Williams and
    McPherson have had better games.  The officials.
    
    Good points - Quinny's goal, Gooding's goal and three more points.
    
    Plymouth weren't a bad team but they missed a couple of chances.  The
    one good thing is that if you can play less than 100% and still get
    points from teams then that's OK by me.  
    
    Reading play at Man City on Wednesday and then, more importantly, Hull
    at home next Saturday.
    
    Chris
38.497Top 8FORTY2::ROBERTSONLiving with Flamingos on the DELTAMon Sep 20 1993 20:1718
Top 6

Hull            8  6  1  1  18  13   19
Stockport       8  6  1  1  16   8   19
Reading	        8  6  0  2  21  11   18
Bournemouth     7  4  2  1  10   6   14
Plymouth        8  4  1  3  17  13   13
Blackpool       8  4  1  3  13  12   13
York City       8  4  1  3  10  10   13
Swansea         8  4  1  3   9   7   13

At this time of the year the table is not that important, but one thing to point
out is that the top 3 have already built up a 4 point margin to 4th place. 
(and if Bournemouth win their game in hand it will be 4 point between 4th & 5th)

Not bad after 8 games.

Al
38.498GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyStar StrikerTue Sep 21 1993 12:1517
	I watched Man.City last night on Sky and I believe we can get a 
result at Maine Road tomorrow. White and Holden are both injured and may not 
make the game. It was those two that ran us ragged last year.

	It was difficult to see how Man City will play because they did not 
know how to handle Wimbledon, but of course Reading play a superior brand of 
football which City may be more used to.

	I reckon Gilkes will be the man to turn it on. Pred 2-1 to City and 
then a famous victory in the second leg, but as the rest of you I'm sure, 
I'd take a 6-0 defeat if it meant a 6-0 win over Hull on Saturday.


	Does anyone know if City fans are still planning this stay away 
tomorrow in protest to Syrup head Swales ?

Andy.
38.499revenge!PEKING::ROSECTue Sep 21 1993 12:332
    The last I heard was that 7000+ fans (part of FLAG - Francis Lee Action
    Group) were planning to boycott this game.  Suits me.
38.500FORTY2::FOWLERMCome the glorious dayTue Sep 21 1993 13:517
Is the home leg against Man City all ticket? If so, are they on sale yet and
where from?

Reading are League joint top scorers so it should be a goodie against Hull. My
prediction is a 3-1 win for Reading.

Mike
38.501FORTY2::ROBERTSONLiving with Flamingos on the DELTATue Sep 21 1993 14:329
I too saw the game last night, and if Reading can take the game to City, then
anything can happen. Their defence looked totally disorganised, and if Royals
are going to go through, then tomorrow would be the ideal time to get a result,
before the new defence gets to know the ropes, and any injured players are back.

Saturday's game should be a cracker, I'll go for 2-1 to Reading, as we march to
a 100% home program for the season ( In the league ) :-)

Al
38.502ticketsPEKING::ROSECTue Sep 21 1993 18:235
    RE - 2
    
    The game against Man City, at Elm Park, is definately NOT all-ticket.
    
    Chris
38.5031-1FORTY2::ROBERTSONLiving with Flamingos on the DELTAThu Sep 23 1993 13:4012
38.504Roll on SaturdayPEKING::ROSECThu Sep 23 1993 16:449
    The TV highlights portrayed Reading as playing well last night.  The
    second half in particular seemed to be mostly Reading.  The one
    unfortunate thing is that Kerr is likely to be out of Saturday's game
    after a bad 'tackle'.
    
    From what McGhee said on TV last night it would appear that Lovell is
    about to sign a new contract.
    
    Chris  
38.505FORTY2::FOWLERMCome the glorious dayThu Sep 23 1993 17:016
How serious is Kerr's injury? I thought it might be okay when he carried on
playing afterwards. It will be a blow if Reading lose him.

I'm confident that they can do Hull though.

Mike
38.506Up the RoyalsNEWOA::NUTLEYThu Sep 23 1993 21:0812
    
    I was at the game last night and Kerr`s injury did not look to be to
    bad, after about 10 minutes Kerr was running around Ok, so hopefully
    should be fit for saturday.
    
    The second half Reading should have been more attack minded and gone
    for the second goal, as City looked disorganized at the back, I believe
    that we would of got the second goal.  Instead of just trying to keep 
    passing the ball around looking for a clear cut chance of someone
    getting a good run on goal.
    
    Reading will win the second leg 3-2.
38.507Hull bogie us again.GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyStar StrikerMon Sep 27 1993 12:0111
Gents,

	1-1 then , a bit disappointing but did anyone go, can anyone post a 
match report ? Chris, my normal Elm Park gossip guru, is away for two weeks, 
and I'm relying on the notes conference.

	Here's to beating Swansea on Friday and going top.

Cheers.
Andy.

38.508Reading 1 - Hull 1RDGENG::CHALFONTMon Sep 27 1993 16:2727
Reading 1 (Hopkins 13m) - Hull 1

A match which Reading totally dominated for the first hour and could have scored
more than once. Indeed the Hull goalkeeper made an excellent save from a Lovell
volley in the first 30 seconds. Reading dominated the midfield and both Dillon
and Parkinson were excellent.

Reading scored following a free kick which Hull failed to clear and Hopkins
forced over the line from about a yard out. Reading created several other good
chances but failed to capitalise on their territorial and possessional advantage.

I can't remember Hull having a shot on target the whole of the first half and 
really were made to look an average team and certainly not one at the top of the
division.

Having said that once they scored after an hour following a mix up in the
Reading defence, Hull gained alot of confidence and for the last half hour they
looked as if they would force the win. The goal was down to Hislop in my 
opinion because he failed to come and collect a fairly routine cross which their
forward mishit over the line.

Overall a disappointing result considering the first half performance but if
Hull are one of the top teams in the division, then Reading really should get
outright promotion this year.


Neil
38.509Royals go Deutsch!!FORTY2::ROBERTSONLiving with Flamingos on the DELTAFri Oct 01 1993 16:1210
38.510FORTY2::FOWLERMCome the glorious dayFri Oct 01 1993 16:185
38.511"Top of Divison 2"KERNEL::NDAYQuazimodo sang,'It started with a syst'Fri Oct 01 1993 16:387

   Good luck to Reading for tonights visit to Swansea.

   Lets hope the royals can come away with 3 points and take that top slot.

   Nigel
38.512Still 3rdFORTY2::ROBERTSONLiving with Flamingos on the DELTAMon Oct 04 1993 14:5917
Well it was only a point, with a 1-1 draw, with that man Uwe marking his debut
with a dramatic equaliser in the 87th minute.

We're now 3 points behind Hull & Stockport who won & drew on saturday
respectively.

Man. City on Wednesday, and I think Sky want us to win, as City are playing
tonight. They played on the monday before the 1st leg too, so hopefully ,
they'll:

	a) pick up an injury or two.

	b) be too knackered on wednesday

Who's going??

Al
38.513One Uwe Hartenburger.....GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyStar StrikerMon Oct 04 1993 16:515
A question on the Swansea game.

If Uwe made his debut, who was dropped, Archie ?

Andy
38.514RDGENG::CHALFONTWed Oct 06 1993 11:5418
38.515PEKING::COSSEYNWed Oct 06 1993 16:0610
    
    Well Reading take on Man City tonight at Elm Park....With everything
    thats going on at City at the moment I reckon Reading will win...
    Any news on Reading's team for tonight....
    
    Prediction   2-1 to the Royals
    
    Neil....
    
    
38.516Reading 1 City 2PIECES::63585::PCDEFAULTPlace holder for NOTESThu Oct 07 1993 12:297
Unfortunately it was 2-1 to City, saw the
game on Tv and Reading had some good chances
Dibble in the City goal had a bit of a
shocker and was at fault for the Reading
goal and almost gave one away at the end.

Chris Swiffen
38.517FORTY2::ROBERTSONLiving with Flamingos on the DELTAThu Oct 07 1993 13:0816
At least it wasn't 4-0 like last time!!

I was going to go, but with all the heavy rain gefore the game, I didn't fancy
getting soaked just getting to the ground, and then having to stand for 2 hours
in soggy clothes. So I sat back at home and waited for the highlights. 

After last January's drubbing I would have been pretty happy only to have lost
2-1, but City's goals came from fundamental errors by the defence.

The first saw Lomas alone in the area, with 3 defnders, not one within 6 yards
when he got the ball...

And you NEVER EVER leave Niall Quinn unmarked in the box. Cracking header though.

Shame, as City has Chelsea at home in the next round, and we have a habit of
beating them.
38.518GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyStar StrikerThu Oct 07 1993 15:3020
According to BBC Radio 5, which is all I can get here, Reading were the 
better team, and Lovell and McPherson both had efforts cleared off the line 
in the last few minutes.

Oh well, put these Mickey Mouse competitions to the side and concentrate on 
doing the double (Promotion + Autoglass Trophy).

Exeter on Saturday. They took 4 points off us last season, including a 0-0 
draw at their place when we had a perfectly good goal disallowed.
Wrexham went down 5-0 there a couple of weeks ago, but with 3 draws and a 
defeat in our last 4 games, we are looking to bounce back and go top if Hull 
and Stockport both lose (some hope)

Prediction: Exter 1 - Reading 3. I fancy Adi Williams to grab a goal.


Andy


P.S When our our Autoglass fixtures ?
38.519Defensive lapsesRDGENG::CHALFONTThu Oct 07 1993 16:0420
I didn't manage to get to the match last night in the end but I saw it on TV.

I am concerned about some of the goals we are letting in at present. Both goals
last night resulted from terrible defensive lapses and Shaka Hislop has looked
far from reliable in the last three games. Against Hull, he failed to come for
a cross, against Swansea he failed to hold on to the ball from a cross (although
it was extremely wet) and last night he was out of position for Quinn's goal.

On top of this, McPherson is not his old self. He seems to have lost a yard of
pace this year and is not the reliable defender he has always been. Both Hopkins
and Ransom are steady but again not quick. Dylan Kerr has also failed to 
impress in the games I have seen. 

Adie Williams is the real strength but if the supposed interest in him results
in him moving, then I have real fears for our promotion bid being sustained.

What does anyone else think?


Neil
38.520six out of ten for RoyalsPEKING::ROSECSun Oct 10 1993 13:1527
    A stunning 6-4 win at Exeter on Saturday moved Reading into second
    place.  Quinn, Lovell and Taylor (placing his first full game this
    season) scoring two a piece.  The good news is that Reading are almost
    scoring at will this season, apart from the six on Saturday three other
    excellent chances were missed.  The bad news is, as the previous noter
    mentioned, defensive errors.  Williams was missing from the team, and
    it noticed.
    
    At least Reading are playing with a very positive attitude - the two
    subs on Saturday were Gilkes and Harterburger.  Reading were hardly
    going for a draw!
    
    Reading have scored 29 league goals in 11 games this season, last
    season it took 21 games, the season before that 25 games.  In addition
    we have won three away games so far this season, last season was four
    in total.  Finally Reading have won 7 league games so far, it took
    until January last season to reach 7 league victories.
    
    Tighten up the defence and we'll do it!!
    
    re-2  Autoglass fixtures:
    Oct 20 - Brighton away
    Nov 10 - Fulham home
    
    The first result in this group was a 4-1 Fulham win over Brighton.
    
    Chris
38.521What would we do without JimmyRDGENG::CHALFONTFri Oct 22 1993 18:3912
Since the last note, Reading have beaten Orient 2-1 at home last Saturday and
drawn 2-2 with Brighton in the Autoglass Trophy. All four goals have been scored
by Jimmy Quinn. Adrian Williams was sent off against Orient for deliberate
handball and, as I have mentioned several notes back, without him this leaves a
big hole in our defence. I don't know how long his suspension will be or when it
takes affect.

Tomorrow we have a very tough game away to Port Vale. Personally I would be
happy with a draw, although if we are going to win promotion, then games like
this are critical.

Neil
38.522FORTY2::FOWLERMCome the glorious dayFri Oct 22 1993 19:4417
38.523NEWOA::NUTLEYMon Oct 25 1993 12:2427
    Shaka did not drop the ball, after watching the goals you can see that 
    the ball was punched out of Shaka's by some Orient player.
    
    What a result on Saturday Port vale 0 READING 4, Lovell with a great 
    turn in the box and curled the ball just inside the post, The second
    was a pure check/skill from Taylor to do reverse turn on there byline
    and solt it nicely into the bottom corner.  I thought I was in heaven
    by this time.  I think that it was Kevin Dillion that crossed the ball
    over only for one of their players to handle the ball, just as Jimmy
    Quinn was going to nod it in, He scored any way with the penilty.
    The forth came from a good run from Lovell who solted the ball across
    the box for an unmarked Jimmy Quinn to solt home the forth.
    
    Listening to Radio five on the way home and the have the phone in
    section where all the fans get there say, A slightly depressed Port
    vale fan came on and said that Reading bullied them out of the game
    with hard tackles.  This fan seams to think that Reading will only win
    about another four games this season,  (was He one of the fans that
    left with 20mins still left to play).  
    
    Adie has been quoated as saying that Jimmy Quinn is on fire and nobody
    can put Him out, & if we keep a clean sheet then we will win as nobody
    can stop us from scoring.
    
    Mark Meghee reackons goal ace Jimmy Quinn will play in a higher
    division, "He's a quality player too good for this level.  He can play
    at a higher level and will - WITH READING.
38.524Port Vale 0 UR's 4GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyMon Oct 25 1993 12:3030
And you're never deprived of incident at freezing Vale Park.

I came home and finally got to see the Royals this season. And I probably 
picked the best result so far.

Division favourites Port Vale started strongly and in the first ten minutes 
could and should have been 1 up. The rest of the half was pretty boring 
midfield play with no real chances at either end.

But straight after half time, Archie spins Ian Rush style - 1-0. The expected 
Vale onslaught lasted for only about ten minutes with them missing 2 sitters, 
good goalkeeping by Shaka, and some superb timewasting by the rest of the 
team. The main stoppage however was for literally 5 minutes (no injury time 
was played !) when Ray Ray Ray Ray Ray etc. Ranson ,limped off injured.

Vale started to get a bit upset and Reading started attacking, and when 
Taylor broke through turned his man it was 2-0. After that it could have been 
6 or 7. Every time we got the ball we looked like scoring and Vale gave up.

3-0 Quinn just about to nod it in when defender handles (no booking !). Quinn 
puts in the penalty.

4-0 Brilliant work from Lovell sets up Quinn for a 2 yard sitter.

Brilliant.

Best Players were Dillon and Lovell.


Andy
38.525IMAPC::MURRAYMon Oct 25 1993 14:445
    
    
    Anyone care to post the top of the table please. 
    
    Cheers, Paul
38.526FORTY2::FOWLERMCome the glorious dayMon Oct 25 1993 14:5210
		P	W	D	L	GF	GA	Pts
Stockport	13	9	3	1	25	10	30
Reading		13	9	2	2	35	18	29
Hull		13	7	3	3	24	19	24
Bristol Rovers	13	7	3	3	19	14	24
Plymouth	13	7	2	4	26	20	23
Burnley		13	7	1	5	25	17	22
Bournemouth	13	6	4	2	16	10	22
Port Vale	13	6	3	4	23	18	21
Blackpool	13	6	2	5	22	21	20
38.527taIMAPC::MURRAYMon Oct 25 1993 14:531
    
38.528Great resultRDGENG::CHALFONTMon Oct 25 1993 17:4214
Saturday's result was a great result and really gives an indication of the
team's potential. I thought a draw would be a good result as I indicated on
Friday but to win 4-0 was really beyond probably anyone's expectations.

Reading are the leading goalscorers in all four divisions by quite a margin and
Jimmy Quinn is the leading goal scorer (19 in total with 15 in the league). 

We have now recorded excellent away wins at Huddersfield, Exeter and Port Vale
having scored 13 goals in these three games alone. 

The irony is that we managed to lose to Wrexham and  Brentford!


Neil
38.529CorrectionRDGENG::CHALFONTMon Oct 25 1993 17:535
Further to my last note, I have just been reminded that we beat Bradford 4-2
away as well. So 17 goals in four away games (19 in total if you include the
loss to Wrexham).

Neil
38.530FORTY2::ROBERTSONOSAKTue Oct 26 1993 13:2214
Great result saturday.

I thought Saturday's result had to be the best of the day until I saw that
Watford did to their opponents what we did to Plymouth 7 years ago. i.e. 3-0
down with 20 minutes to go, and winning 4-3. Has Kevin Bremner moved to Vicarage
Road :-)

Changing the subject for a second.

Reading Have Drawn Cambridge Utd away in the 1st Round of the F.A. Cup on 13th
November.


Al
38.531SUBURB::COOKSTaking the biscuitThu Oct 28 1993 16:2310
    A blinding result indeed against Port Vale,and good to see Scott Taylor
    is scoring.
    
    I thought before the game that Port Vale is probably going to be about
    the most difficult away game this season.
    
    Lets hope Uwe Hartenberger picks up form,(i heard he was a bit
    ineffective in the Autoglass Mug competition) `cos Reading don`t want
    to be in a position where you rely on Jimmy Quinn to keep scoring.
    
38.532SUBURB::ABSOLOMTOne four-eight and countingThu Oct 28 1993 17:028
    
    Is Uwe in the reckoning for Saturday??
    
    I blerrrrdy hope so.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.533SUBURB::COOKSTaking the biscuitThu Oct 28 1993 20:145
    It`d be good to see wot he`s like....and i`d like to see Gilkes on the
    bench,`cos he`s crap at the moment.
    
    Kieran`s going to the game,btw. Exchiting.
    
38.534oh golly goshSUBURB::ABSOLOMTOne four-eight and countingFri Oct 29 1993 12:336
    
    I'm drying my knickers out right now Stu.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.535Wait yer turnPEKING::ROSECFri Oct 29 1993 15:565
    Uwe won't play unless someone is injured.  You can't drop Quinn or
    Lovell and nobody in the midfield deserves to be dropped either.  He'll
    just have to keep Gilkes company on the bench!
    
    Chris
38.536SUBURB::COOKSTaking the biscuitFri Oct 29 1993 16:057
    Why does Kerr keep taking corners? He`s absolutely hopeless at them.
    The only other person i`ve seen is Dillon,who is a bit better,but
    surely there must be someone who can do a decent corner.
    
    I think i`ve only seen Reading score once from a corner - a header by
    McPherson.
    
38.537FORTY2::FOWLERMWorkers of the world uniteFri Oct 29 1993 16:303
Lovell was crap last time I saw Reading. Was this just a bad day on his part?

Mike
38.538PricesKERNEL::MCKEAVENEYJHow's that....you're outFri Oct 29 1993 17:237
38.539FORTY2::FOWLERMWorkers of the world uniteFri Oct 29 1993 17:283
38.540In my day, we were paid to watch a match!CHEFS::HARRISRGoosenargh!Fri Oct 29 1993 17:378
38.541Seeing is believeingUBOHUB::MCKEAVENEYJAnd then there were none...Fri Oct 29 1993 17:448
38.542CorrectionUBOHUB::MCKEAVENEYJAnd then there were none...Fri Oct 29 1993 17:453
    
    Delete that e from believing.
    
38.543Three more pointsPEKING::ROSECMon Nov 01 1993 12:1121
    Well, a below-par performance from the Royals, BUT  a deserved three
    points.  Fulham played some good football in the middle of the park but
    I can barely remember one shot they had on target.  Quinn and Taylor
    (twice) could have scored for Reading before Quinn got the all
    important goal.
    A couple of notes back someone mentioned the corners/goals scored ratio
    - well this was a Dillon corner and an excellent near post header from
    Quinny.
    
    Reading have now won their last four games and remain unbeaten at home,
    in the league, since January (17 games).
    
    Tomorrow night is Rotherham away followed by Blackpool at home next
    Saturday.  They will have to play better tomorrow to get anything from
    Rotherham.
    
    Gilkes came on for the last 20 minutes on Saturday and looked fairly
    useful, but with Williams available again tomorrow I wouldn't have
    thought that Gilkes would get a game.
    
    Chris
38.544SUBURB::ABSOLOMTOne four-eight and countingMon Nov 01 1993 13:016
    
    A girl I work with was chatting to Uwe Uwe all night up the Mill.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.545SUBURB::COOKSTaking the biscuitMon Nov 01 1993 16:1917
    Yes,what a lucky girl she is.
    
    Possibly the worst game of the season so far,but Reading won which is
    all that matters. Fulham played like they had no desire to score,and
    were quite happy to scrap for the ball and hoof it down the field.
    There were only 3 real chances for Reading to score - Archie Lovell had a
    clear shot on goal,but passed it to Scott Taylor for some strange
    reason,and the ball bobbled a bit and Taylor missed. The Quinn goal
    from the corner (only the 2nd goal from a corner i`ve seen),and a
    blinding run from Giles passing 3 or 4 players which would have gone
    in but for a great save from the Fulham goalkeeper.  The best part of
    the game was a rousing rendition of "Whose eat all the pies?"
    
    For want of something better to do,i`ll be going to the Rotherham game
    tomorrow night. Lets hope Reading put on a better performance.
    
    
38.546FORTY2::ROBERTSONMon Nov 01 1993 16:256
Well if MM gives them the same kind of Rollocking they got after the Brighton
match it could be a good result tomorrow. 

After Brighton we went to Port Vale !!

Al
38.547eh?SUBURB::ABSOLOMTOne four-eight and countingMon Nov 01 1993 16:358
    
    re.545
    
    Would that be Newth or Brandreth?? Do tell Stu.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.548SUBURB::COOKSTaking the biscuitMon Nov 01 1993 16:434
    That`s Farmer Giles,actually.
    
    
    
38.549SUBURB::ABSOLOMTOne four-eight and countingMon Nov 01 1993 16:506
    
    Oooo arrrghh my lovelies.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.550IMAPC::MURRAYTue Nov 02 1993 12:405
    
    So how did Stockport, Hull, B.Rovers etc do? Anyone care to post the
    table again please.
    
    Cheers, Paul. A long way from a 2nd Div table. :(
38.551EBYGUM::WOODWARDJ'ECK AS LIKE.....Tue Nov 02 1993 12:571
I know that Stockport won 4-0 and Hull drew.
38.552Div 2 Table TopWOTVAX::MACDONALDIStalybridge CelticTue Nov 02 1993 13:4916
    re :-2 
    
    Division 2 Top of Table
                P	F	A	G/D		Pts
    Stockport	14	29	10	+19		33
    Reading	14	36	18	+18		32
    Burnley	14	30	17	+13		25
    Plymouth	14	27	21	+6		24
    Port Vale	14	25	18	+7		24
    Hull	14	24	20	+4		24
    Bristol R.	14	19	15	+4		24
    
    Hope this helps
    
    
    Mac
38.553EBYGUM::WOODWARDJ'ECK AS LIKE.....Tue Nov 02 1993 13:545
Does anyone know kick off time at Rotherham tonight, as I am thinking of going....

Hopefuly it will be a better showing than the one I saw on Saturday against Fulham...

James.
38.554FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingTue Nov 02 1993 15:296
>Does anyone know kick off time at Rotherham tonight, as I am thinking of
>going.... 

1930

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38.555EBYGUM::WOODWARDJ'ECK AS LIKE.....Wed Nov 03 1993 13:167
Didn't make it in the end....

I also missed the scores last night...

What happened?

James.
38.5562.2 Draw....Reading were 2 goals up!PEKING::SHALLOMAAron ShallomWed Nov 03 1993 13:241
    
38.557EBYGUM::WOODWARDJ'ECK AS LIKE.....Wed Nov 03 1993 13:403
Did Quinn score?

James.
38.558SUBURB::WAITEGCOOL AS ****Wed Nov 03 1993 13:475
    Lovell scored 2.
    
    
    
    GAry
38.559RDGENG::CHALFONTWed Nov 03 1993 15:2513
A disappointing result last night having been 2-0 up just after half time.
Archie scored in the 25th and 47th minutes. Rotherham scored 10 minutes after
our second goal and then equalised with about 15 minutes left. 

Stockport unfortunately won 3-0 against Orient so are now three points clear of
us but we remain 6 points clear of Bristol Rovers who are now third. Burnley
lost as did Hull who seem to have blown up recently. Mind you I am not that
surprised since Reading were all over them for the first 60 minutes of the game
earlier this season. Hull actually lost 6-2 to Blackpool who Reading play at
home on Saturday. Still we seem to play better against teams in the top half of
the division.

Neil
38.560Lovell + Quinn = 30 goalsPEKING::ROSECWed Nov 03 1993 15:298
    McGhee said on Royal-line that Shaka made a great save four minutes
    from time - so it could have been worse.  A draw away is not a bad
    result, particularly as Burnley, Plymouth and Hull all lost.
    No one in the pack chasing Stockport and us seem to be able to put a
    run together....although saying that, our visitors on Saturday,
    Blackpool, have won their last two games.
    
    Be a tough one on Saturday.
38.561SUBURB::COOKSTaking the biscuitThu Nov 04 1993 16:1417
    Having trecked all the way up to Rotherham i was hoping for a win..but
    Reading conceded 2 points,rather than winning 1.
    
    In the first half Reading played tight passing football,and scored an early
    excellent goal by Stuart Lovell. Then early in the 2nd half,Lovell
    scored again and I thought that was 3 points in the bag. Then Reading
    did what they`re prone to do and fell asleep. Once they lost
    possession,they found it very hard to get back in the game. The first 
    Rotherham goal was very odd - it was possibly an own goal by
    Kerr,watched by 3 defenders and Hislop,as it trickled over the line.
    There was the ususal incompetent refereeing,which lead to a free kick
    given to Rotherham which lead to the 2nd goal in about the 80th minute.
    Reading then woke up from their slumbers and did their best to come
    back,but it was too little too late.
    
    Still,the meat and potato pies were excellent. 
    
38.562SUBURB::ABSOLOMTOne four-eight and countingThu Nov 04 1993 20:326
    
    Were the luuurcals friendly like?
    
    Tony
    
    
38.563"Manager of the month"KERNEL::NDAYQuazimodo sang,'It started with a syst'Fri Nov 05 1993 12:218

  Congratulations to Mark Magee for being awarded Manager of the month for
  Division 2...Well deserved in my opinion.

  Good luck on Saturday..

  Nige
38.564SUBURB::COOKSTaking the biscuitFri Nov 05 1993 16:096
    Manager of the Month,eh? He`s Premier league material,i reckon.
    
    Reading vs Blackpool tomorrow,then. A difficult game is on the
    cards,but i think Reading play best against good teams. 
                        
    
38.565SUBURB::COOKSTaking the biscuitMon Nov 08 1993 16:1215
    Reading 1 Blackpool 1.
    
    An enjoyable game,even though Reading didn`t win. A bad error by Mickey
    Gooding let Blackpool take the lead after 10 minutes. Reading put on 
    the pressure for the rest of the game,and thankfully equalised to keep
    their unbeaten home record stretching back to January. Some nice,fluid
    passing,though Reading have got in the habit of taking the ball
    forward - then passing it bacwards again! Very odd. Jimmy Quinn looked
    knackered (he`s ill at the moment,apparently) but notched up his 21st
    goal for this season.  
    
    Thankfully Stockport lost for once,and so did Bristol,so Reading are
    still 2nd only 2 points behind Stockport,and a nice 6 points in front
    of the 3rd placed team. 
    
38.566Quinn againPEKING::ROSECMon Nov 08 1993 16:2817
    RE -1  Good Report.  First half frustration because Reading couldn't
    get going and everything seemed to fall for Blackpool.  Second half
    frustration because Reading piled it on but couldn't get the second
    goal.
    Reading ended the game playing without a right-back as McGhee brought
    on Hartenburger and went for the win.
    An enjoyable game watched by an enthusiatic crowd.  Blackpool's fans
    cheered like mad when the whistle went - getting a point at Elm Park
    is a good result.
    
    Wednesday is Fulham at home in the Autoglass - I assume that Lambert,
    Holzmann, Hartenburger will all play.  A win means Reading will win the
    group (home draw in next round), a draw or defeat by 1 or 2 goals means
    we qualify in second place (away draw in next round), a defeat by 3
    goals will put us out.
    
    Chris
38.567DCEIDL::HINXMANIn the range of strangeMon Nov 08 1993 18:067
	re .564

>    Manager of the Month,eh? He`s Premier league material,i reckon.

	Maybe you'd like Ian Branfoot back in exchange.

	Southampton supporter of Spitbrook
38.568SUBURB::COOKSTaking the biscuitMon Nov 08 1993 20:303
    Well...he did lead Reading to the heady heights of the Simod Cup
    final..but no ta.
    
38.569SUBURB::ABSOLOMTShirley KnottTue Nov 09 1993 21:3311
    
    He got sacked from Reading. Done a bit of high profile posing in a
    track-suit for Palce and hey presto, he's manager of the Saints! He
    could get by in the long-ball glory days, but now football is becoming
    just that again, he's lost. He should get in room with Don Howe, Bobby
    Gould, John Beck, Dave Bassett & Andy "He took a gamble near post" Gray
    and shoot their load over each other.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.570If you still hate Branfoot.......GVPROD::FACILE::&lt;your name&gt;Wed Nov 10 1993 13:4222
re:-1

	As much as I hate Branfoot and think that his sacking was the best 
thing Roger Smee ever did, it is embarrassing but true to say that he was 
the most successful manager in Reading's history. 
	Most people are of the thought that he inherited a good team from 
Maurice Evans and didn't do much to change it. In fact on Sky's 'The boss' 
last night he admitted that the early days at Reading were easy and he 
didn't have to do much. There were no injuries, the team picked itself and 
they kept winning.

	But after that, he sold a few and with the exception of Mick Gooding 
I cannot think of one good player he brought in.(someone correct me if 
wrong). The team then went downhill.

	But Third division champions, highest position in Readings history 
(14th Div 2) !!!! (until next year) and Simod cup win.

	If Southampton want to compete in the Premier League they must get 
rid of him now, and then England will probably give him a job.

Rgds.	
38.571SUBURB::ABSOLOMTShirley KnottWed Nov 10 1993 20:267
    
    For anyone going tonite, I'll wave to you in a patronising manner from
    my seat in the Westcoast private box.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.572PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURThu Nov 11 1993 11:216
    
    Scott Taylor scored the only goal in the 79th minute..
    
    Reading 1 Fulham 0
    
            Andy..B
38.573SUBURB::ABSOLOMTShirley KnottThu Nov 11 1993 14:247
    
    Worst game of the season by faaaaarrrrrr. Neither team were interested
    in it.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.574SUBURB::COOKSTaking the biscuitThu Nov 11 1993 16:064
    I`m glad I didn`t bother going.
    
    Anyone going to the Cambridge game? 
    
38.575maybe, maybe notSUBURB::ABSOLOMTShirley KnottThu Nov 11 1993 16:136
    
    It's in the balance at the moment Stu. 
    
    Tony
    
    
38.576Cambridge here we come!PEKING::ROSECThu Nov 11 1993 21:0611
    It may not have been a great game - but we won.  At least we tried to
    win, more than "defend at all costs Fulham" .  Because we won the group
    we are at home to Northampton in the next round.
    
    Most of the talk on the terraces last night was the various travel
    arrangements for Cambridge and Brighton.  Reading will do well to avoid
    defeat at Cambridge.
    
    Interesting note from last night - Gilkes played at full-back and then
    spent more time in the opponents half than he does when he plays up
    front!!
38.577SUBURB::ABSOLOMTShirley KnottFri Nov 12 1993 13:058
    
    Good point about Gilkes!
    
    I hope I'm going Saturday, it's case of how really.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.578Boot roomGVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyFri Nov 12 1993 15:2715
Anyone see Andy 'its the quality of the cross' Gray's boot room last night.
Mark McGhee himself was on, talking about the Manchester Derby. There weren't 
too many references to UR's but he did mention Jimmy Quinn. 

We seem to have a good relationship with Sky. Let's hope it gets us live on 
the FA Cup games soon. It's the only way I ever get to watch them.

Regarding the Autoglass - how many rounds are there ? If we get past 
Northampton, how many rounds left after that ? If we did well great but as 
long as it doesn't interfere with the League.

Any team news for Saturday ?


Andy..
38.579PEKING::ROSECFri Nov 12 1993 15:459
    RE -1
    
    Autoglass - is down to the last 32 (16 in north, 16 in south). 
    Straight forward knockout from now on (extra-time, penalties etc etc)
    
    Re tomorrow - probably a full squad to pick from.  Dillon and McPherson
    are the only ones carrying a slight injury.
    
    Chris
38.580SUBURB::ABSOLOMTOne-six-five and countingFri Nov 12 1993 16:516
    
    Andy "Get the ball in the box" "he GAMbled Martin"  Gray
    
    Tony
    
    
38.581PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURFri Nov 12 1993 17:325
     
    I see in the Evening post today that Swindon are trying to sign
    quinn..
    
    Andy..B
38.582SUBURB::ABSOLOMTOne-six-five and countingFri Nov 12 1993 18:097
    
    I bet he'll go too. He isn't exactly a one-club man is. However, I hope
    he doesn't.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.583SUBURB::COOKSTaking the biscuitFri Nov 12 1993 18:365
    I`d hate to see him go n`all. But with Hartenberger signed and Lovell
    having signed a contract at last,I too am expecting the lad to go. 
    Hopefully they`ll get a good defender with the money.
    
    
38.584Round 2 drawPEKING::ROSECMon Nov 15 1993 16:063
    Wycombe away in round 2, if we beat Cambridge.
    
    Chris
38.585Please don't goREDARO::WLC_IMPROV1Mon Nov 15 1993 19:353
    Quinn isn't going to Swindon.Good job to,he's the backbone of Readings
    team.Let's not think about selling one good player to buy another for
    a while,and build on the foundation we have got.
38.586SUBURB::COOKSTaking the biscuitMon Nov 15 1993 20:327
    I agree with that. Quinn seems to be the motor of the team at the
    moment.
    
    Did anyone go to Cambridge? Did Quinn play,or was he on International
    duty? I hear Reading were the better team,and missed a number of
    chances.
    
38.587SUBURB::ABSOLOMTOn 7830-2924Thu Nov 18 1993 14:366
    
    Jimmy "Mighty" Quinn scored another cracker for N.I last night.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.588SUBURB::COOKSTaking the biscuitThu Nov 18 1993 15:204
    I`ve read it was a good `un.
    
    Is it Brighton this Saturday?
    
38.589SUBURB::ABSOLOMTOn 7830-2924Thu Nov 18 1993 16:436
    
    Yep, fancy going on the beach (nudge nudge).
    
    Tony
    
    
38.590Quinn contract negotiationsPGREEN::CHALFONTFri Nov 19 1993 16:456
    According to last night's Evening Post, Reading are negoitating with
    Quinn to extend his contract to last the rest of his career. Serious
    talks have been going on for the past fortnight and Quinn is apparently
    keen to stay providing the money is right.
    
    Neil
38.591Top of the League!PEKING::COSSEYNMon Nov 22 1993 12:096
    
    Reading went top of the 2nd Division on Saturday with a 1-0 win away
    to Brighton. Stockport lost there Hundred per cent home record after
    losing 2-0 to Bristol Rovers...
    
    Neil..
38.592SUBURB::COOKSTaking the biscuitMon Nov 22 1993 20:108
    Lets hope Reading can stay there. (I don`t see why not,as long as
    they`re not stupid enough to sell Quinn).
    
    Are Stockport losing their form? They`ve only got 1 point in their last
    3 games,and on Saturday they`re away to Hull,which will be a tough game
    for them.
    
                                             
38.593PEKING::ROSECTue Nov 23 1993 11:2411
    Apparently Stockport were a bit unlucky on Saturday, not that I care.
    Reading are at home to Cambridge tomorrow in the cup and then face
    Bournemouth at home on Saturday in the league.
    3 of the next 5 league games are against other teams in the top six -
    both of the teams directly below us are our opponents on 27 and 28 Dec.
    
    From what McGhee said on TV yesterday it looks as if Quinn will be here
    for the rest of this seaason, Swindon had a bid turned down last week.
    
    Chris
    
38.594SUBURB::GROOMNEarning a fortune, paid a pittance !!Tue Nov 23 1993 12:085
    Let's face it, whether Quinn joins Swindon or continues with Reading,
    he'll still be playing first division football next year ;-)
    
    
    Nev.
38.595SUBURB::ABSOLOMTOn 7830-2924Tue Nov 23 1993 13:4825
    
    ho ho indeed Nev. However he might still be playing 2nd division footy
    next season.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    depending on whether the Swindon management stay out of the bookies!
    
    Tony
    
    
38.596Reading 1 Cambridge 2GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyThu Nov 25 1993 11:559
What happened ? Anyone got a report ? What was the team ?

Was it a case of well played Cambridge or just unlucky Reading ?


At least the bad result of the year is out of the way, and we continue to 
steam on in the league.


38.597Wembley via the Autoglass??PEKING::ROSECThu Nov 25 1993 15:5917
    The team was as usual, Dillon is still injured - McPherson and
    Hartenburger on the bench.  Reading did not play well and seemed to
    lack any coordination late in the game.  I think that the general
    "we're through anyway" attitude on the terraces didn't help.
    Tend to forget Cambridge were only relegated last season.
    
    Heard this morning that Hislop and McPherson were late turning up for
    last night's game.  McGhee sounded a bit peeded off.
    
    Just to make it a really crap night, Williams was taken off injured at
    half-time.
    
    The only bright spot is no league points were lost - I would still
    rather win this coming Saturday than last night.  We ain't gonna win
    the cup but we might win Div Two.
    
    Chris
38.598SUBURB::ABSOLOMTOn 7830-2924Thu Nov 25 1993 16:266
    
    It's a real bummer that we won't be playing Wycombe though.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.599GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyFri Nov 26 1993 14:095
Any news on the Bristol Rovers away on the 27 Dec is all ticket for away fans 
? I've heard two differing views so far.

Andy

38.600Quinn at the double!PEKING::ROSECMon Nov 29 1993 11:2719
    RE- 1 Firstly, Bristol R away is DEFINATELY all-ticket.  Tickets are on
    sale at Elm Park now.
    
    Secondly, normal service was resumed at Elm Park on Saturday against
    probably the most boring team I've seen this season.  Quinn alone has
    scored more league goals than the whole Bournemouth team.
    Before the game Quinn signed a new contract (Sod off Swindon) and then
    scored two goals, the second being a superb lob from over 30 yards.
    In between Gooding scored with a volley from the edge of the area.
    Lambert came on as sub late on for his first league appearance of the
    season.
    
    Reading have stretched their unbeaten home league run to 19 games (16
    wins and three draws).  It is also 12 games now unbeaten in the league.
    
    Three of Reading's next four games are against the three teams directly
    below Reading in the table.  December is going to be difficult.
    
    Chris
38.601Easy winPEKING::ROSECThu Dec 02 1993 12:0317
    Last nights result in the Autoglass
    
    Reading 4   Northampton 1
    
    Reading cruised into the next round with an easy win against
    Northampton.  Goals from Hartenburger, Quinn, Lambert and Gooding.
    The only concern is the growing injury list.
    Ranson - out for a month (at least)
    Lovell - picked up injury in training, could be out for 2/3 weeks
    Jones - still not available, will be playing by the New Year
    Hartenburger and Dillon - both taken off injured last night
    Hislop - injured last night and unable to kick the ball (made it a bit
    interesting from back passes.
    
    Probably a blessing in disguise that we aren't playing on Saturday.
    
    Chris
38.602PEKING::COSSEYNFri Dec 03 1993 16:328
    
    Chris,
          any idea who we have drawn in the next round ?. Even though
     promotion is our main target and priority a trip to Wembley would
     be the icing on the cake...
    
    Neil...
    
38.603Nice little double!PEKING::ROSECFri Dec 03 1993 19:537
    Quite right too Neil - a day out at Wembley to celebrate our promotion
    sounds a good idea.  The draw for the third round has been delayed
    because of the number of games unfinished.  As soon I hear you can be
    sure it will be in this note.
    The 16 teams left are still split 8 in the South and 8 in the North.
    
    Chris
38.604FORTY2::ROBERTSONFri Dec 03 1993 20:113
I think the draw is next Wed. if I heard right on the T.V.

Al
38.605SUBURB::COOKSTaking the biscuitFri Dec 03 1993 20:1713
    I see Reading are going to get a "top quality" defender on loan,what
    with the injuries they`ve got,and especially Ray Ranson being out for
    at least a month. This shows the commitment Reading have got to get 
    promoted,IMO. He should be playing in the crucial away game to Burnley
    next Saturday. 
    
    Also great news that Tom Jones will being coming back to the
    green,green grass (apologies) of Bristol City for the 29th December if
    all goes well.
    
    
    
    
38.606Wrong Team and Date!!!!!SUBURB::HOOPERGGary HooperMon Dec 06 1993 12:337
    I think you may mean the brown mud bath of Bath (Bristol) Rovers on the 27th
    December at Trumpton Park, not the green grass of the Gate.
    
    There is only one team in Bristol and they wear red and white.
    
    Gary 
    
38.607That'll teach me a lessonPGREEN::CHALFONTWed Dec 08 1993 15:4421
    Having been to see the Wycombe-Cambridge game on Saturday, I can't
    believe Reading didn't beat Cambridge. On hearing the draw for the 2nd
    round, I hurriedly organised a ticket for the Wycombe game through a
    contact assuming Reading would get through and it would be a sell-out!
    Oh well, it will teach me a lesson since it meant I had to endure this
    game.
    
    Cambridge were awful and hardly threatened Wycombe. Mind you Wycombe
    weren't a lot better and were disappointing considering the good
    reports I had heard.
    
    Back to Reading. Stuart Lovell is likely to miss the next two matches
    through injury so Uwe should get his long awaited opportunity to start
    in a league game. I saw him briefly when he came on as sub against
    Blackpool and he showed some excellent touches.
    
    This month is going to be very important with 3 games against teams in
    the top four. If we win, or at least don't lose, these games we
    should be in an excellent position.
    
    Neil 
38.608PEKING::COSSEYNWed Dec 08 1993 16:265
    
    Reading have John Humphery of Crystal Palace on a months loan, he
    could be in the side to face Burnley on Saturday...           
    
    Neil..
38.609watch out watch outSUBURB::ABSOLOMTOn 7830-2924Wed Dec 08 1993 16:546
    
    Excuse my ignorance, but what position does Humphery play in?
    
    Tony
    
    
38.610SUBURB::WAITEGI MIGHT BE YOUNG BUT I'M NOT NAIVEWed Dec 08 1993 16:554
    He was a right-back.
    
    
    Gary....
38.611Loan DealESSB::BLONGUNITED Premier League CHAMPIONS 1993Wed Dec 08 1993 18:044
38.612NaaaarGVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyWed Dec 08 1993 18:2915
RE -1
	Isn't he an ex-YTS striker ? I don't know why McGhee would want him.
Archie's out for a few weeks, and Uwe is doubtful for the trip to Burnley, 
but we still have the option of partnering Quinn with Gilkes, Lambert and our 
own Andy Gray. Maybe an experienced striker but a wet behind the ear Yiddo ?
I think not.

	Vital game Saturday, I'll be pleased with a point, then knock a few 
past Steve Francis next week and then I'll be back to watch the Bristol and 
Stockport games.

	Go into the New Year on top and Ladbrokes might as well stop taking 
bets.

Andy.
38.613twin towers?SUBURB::ABSOLOMTOn 7830-2924Thu Dec 09 1993 16:068
    
    Away to Fulham in the Southern quarters of the Autoglass. Obviously a
    home draw would've been nice, but Fulham are probably the softest touch
    in the Southern section.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.614Another 3 pointsFORTY2::ROBERTSONMon Dec 13 1993 14:329
Royals increased their lead to 3 points over Stockport & 8 over 3rd placed
Bristol Rovers on Saturday after beating Burnley 1-0 away.

Mick Gooding scored the goal after 24 mins.

John Humphrey marked his debut by being sent off, Heath of Burnley also getting
an early bath.

Al
38.615Burnley 0 RFC 1 - Mick GoodingGVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyMon Dec 13 1993 14:3616
Well a SUPERB result on Saturday. Burnley, 8 wins and a draw out of 9 home 
games so far this season bumped into the rampaging Royals. With Stockport and 
Bristol Rovers both drawing, we are now 3 points clear at the top - 8 points 
ahead of third place - it's looking good.

Humphreys got sent off on his loan debut for elbowing and Burnley's little 
****** up front, Adrian Heath also went near the end. I wish I could have 
been there, that would have been brilliant.

Anyway, 9 wins and 4 draws now out of our last 13 games, and can anyone catch 
us ? Huddersfield and Steve Francis at home next week, and this is the sort 
of game that we could trip up on, and with Bristol and Stockport after that, 
we'll go into the New Year on top and stay there for the rest of he season.

Andy

38.616GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyMon Dec 13 1993 14:371
Git..you beat me to it.
38.617SUBURB::WAITEGI MIGHT BE YOUNG BUT I'M NOT NAIVEMon Dec 13 1993 14:388
    Who saw the Heath incident???  Exactly the same as the Ferdinand
    incident in mid-week but and he didn't deserve to go.  The Reading 
    keeper didn't help by letting the ball sail over his head.  He could 
    easily have caught it.  Instead Heath was sent off. 
    
    Bad refereeing....
    
    /GAry...
38.618little prickSUBURB::ABSOLOMTOn 7830-2924Mon Dec 13 1993 14:438
    
    The referees report will clearly state that the offence which led to
    Heaths dismissal was a blatant display of being a total wanker. Now
    that's a red card in my book.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.619Staying down 4 everWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenMon Dec 13 1993 15:006
    re 618
    
    In which case he should appeal, unless he was previously a Clarets 
    supporter then he hasn't been at Turf Moor long enough yet to be 
    described as "total...". 
      
38.620SUBURB::WAITEGI MIGHT BE YOUNG BUT I'M NOT NAIVEMon Dec 13 1993 15:015
    Well the incident seemed even more harsh than Ferdinand incident. 
    Refereeing standard is at an all time low.  
    
    
    /GAry....
38.621PEKING::COSSEYNWorld Cup 1994 ZZzzzTue Dec 14 1993 15:5544
    
    Here is the top of the Endsleigh division 2...
    
                 P  W  D  L  F  A  Pts
    
  1  Reading     19 13  4  2  44 21 43
  2  Stockport   19 12  4  3  34 15 40
    ---------------------------------
  3  Bristol R   19 10  5  4  26 18 35
  4  Port Vale   19 10  4  5  37 23 34
  5  Plymouth    19 10  4  5  37 26 34
  6  Blackpool   20 10  3  7  35 31 33
     ---------------------------------
  7  Burnley     19 10  2  7  32 24 32
  8  Hull        19 9   3  7  33 30 30
  9  Brentford   19 8   6  5  22 16 30
 10  Wrexham     19 7   6  6  31 31 27
    
    
   League  Division 2 Leading scorers
    
    19 Quinn (Reading)
    16 Bennett (Wrexham)
    14 McCarthy (Bradford now Oldham)
       J.Taylor (Bristol R)
    13 Castle (Plymouth)
       Griffiths (Blackpool)
       Jepson (Exeter)
       Preece (Stockport)
    11 Blake (Cardiff)
    10 Eyres (Burnley)
       Varadi(Rotherham)
       Windass (Hull)
    9  Cross and Foyle (Port Vale)
       Francis (Stockport)
       Watson (Blackpool)
    
       
    
       Neil...
    
    
    
    
38.622Beautiful !GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyTue Dec 14 1993 18:459
Re -1: 
Neil,

	You shouldn't have put that note there.  Every 5 minutes I have to 
log into notes and look at it. It's affecting my work. 

	
Andy.
38.623Archie is backPEKING::ROSECWed Dec 15 1993 15:0911
    Looks as if Archie Lovell has recovered quickly and could play on
    Saturday.  The game before Xmas is notoriously our worst of the season.
    Last season it was a 2-4 defeat at home to Stockport (after we were
    leading 2-1), the season before was a 0-1 home defeat to Hartlepool!
    
    A couple of interesting games this weekend in Div 2.  On Friday it's
    Stockport v Plymouth and on Saturday it's P.Vale v Burnley.
    
    If we stay unbeaten until the New Year we will have done bloody well!
    
    Chris
38.624SUBURB::COOKSTaking the biscuitThu Dec 16 1993 15:075
    There shouldn`t be a problem playing against strugglers Huddersfield -
    but it`s best not to presume.
    
    Anyone going to the Bristol game??
    
38.625Oooh aarrgghhh.GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyThu Dec 16 1993 15:567
I'll be back for the Bristol game, that's if my mate has got me a ticket yet.
Any ideas on the best way to get to the ground, and the best pubs in Bath ?

Should be a cracker. The only game I managed to get to so far this season was 
the 4-0 at Port Vale, so if it's just a quarter as good as that then.......

Andy
38.626How to get to Bath Rovers?PEKING::ROSECThu Dec 16 1993 19:224
    Re -1  Follow signs for TRUMPTON, you can't miss it!!
    
    Chris
    
38.627It's time for...GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyFri Dec 17 1993 15:025
Re:-1
	Cheers, do we have to sing Hugh,Pugh Barley McGrew, Parkinson Lovell 
and Quinn ?


38.628STILL TOPPEKING::ROSECMon Dec 20 1993 11:3516
    Firstly, I suppose a dissapointment in only drawing with Huddersfield
    on Saturday.  Quinn put three efforts the wrong side of the post,
    Taylor hit the bar, Gooding hit the post, and both Gilkes and Parkinson
    missed when put through.  I think Huddersfield had one or maybe two
    shots on target.
    There were at least five bookings as the game got out of hand for a
    while in the second half.  Basically, H'field killed it.
    Humphrey (the loan full-back) looked useful, as did all the back four -
    although they didn't have that much too do.
    
    The result wasn't too disastrous as only one of the top nine teams
    managed a win this weekend (Plymouth).  Actually Plymouth are the form
    team having won four on the trot.  I hope they come unstuck this
    Wednesday against Exeter (a rearranged Xmas game).
    
    Chris
38.629The others slipped upCHEFS::EDINBOROUGHSDTN: 7830 - 2040Mon Dec 20 1993 14:4415
38.630SUBURB::COOKSTaking the biscuitMon Dec 20 1993 16:108
    A very frustrating game against Huddersfield. Everytime a Huddersfield
    played was tackled,he went down faking injury - plus they took about 
    5 minutes to take a throw in.
    
    It shows the respect for Reading these days when at the end of the
    game the Huddersfield team did a bit of a lap of honour,clapping in
    front of the Southbank `cos they were so happy getting a point.
    
38.631UPDATEPEKING::ROSECWed Dec 22 1993 17:2012
    UPDATE - 
    
    Reading have sold out of the ticket allocation for the B.Rovers game on
    the 27th.
    
    Parkinson will be suspended for the games on the 1st and 3rd of Jan.
    
    Humphrey will be suspended for the games on 27th, 28th and 1st.
    
    Ranson is back in training and could play against B.Rovers.
    
    Tom Jones will be playing again by the middle of January.
38.632SUBURB::COOKSTaking the biscuitWed Dec 22 1993 20:266
    That`s a shame about Humphrey - he was very impressive in the Huddersfield 
    game.
    
    
    
    
38.633PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURThu Dec 23 1993 13:459
    
     Are the matches over Christmas
    
           Mon     27th   Bristol Rovers  v   Reading
           Tue     28th   Reading         v   Stockport County
    
        I may make ny first visit to Elm park for the county game..
    
    Andy..B    
38.634EBYGUM::WOODWARDJDEC the halls with bows of holly...Thu Dec 23 1993 14:201
The Stockport game isn't all ticket is it?
38.635SUBURB::COOKSTaking the biscuitThu Dec 23 1993 16:013
    Nope - unless you`re a Stockport fan in which case,the away end is
    sold out.
    
38.636EBYGUM::WOODWARDJDEC the halls with bows of holly...Thu Dec 23 1993 16:053
No I'm a Reading man, sounds like it will be a good crowd.

Jim.
38.637SUBURB::ABSOLOMTeat my nacksThu Dec 23 1993 17:077
    
    I say, in the Rose at 1pm Stu. That way, as it's Christmas, we can get
    pished before the game.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.638CHAMPIONS CHAMPIONSPEKING::ROSECThu Dec 23 1993 17:2313
    re - recent
    
    The Stockport end is not sold out.  Stockport only average 45** at
    home. I doubt if they will bring more than a few hundred.
    It will definately be busy in the pubs around the ground, the Royals
    Rendevouz and the Southbank.
    
    The other Xmas games are;
    
    JAN 1ST - Cardiff away
    JAN 3RD - York home
    
    Chris
38.639SUBURB::COOKSTaking the biscuitThu Dec 23 1993 17:348
    Well Chris,I`ll admit i`m only going by what a mate of mine said - so
    we`ll see.
    
    Aye,Tony i`ll see you in the Rose n` Thistle. I`ll be coming back from
    Brummie in the morning but it shouldn`t be a problem. As long as I wake
    up in time.
    
    
38.640Here we goPEKING::ROSECThu Dec 23 1993 17:556
    I hope I'm wrong - I hope the Stockport end is crowded...it will make a
    good atmosphere.  I know that the Reading end will be packed.
    There will be a strong smell of alcohol in the air, let's hope it's a
    good day.
    
    Chris 
38.641Come on you RRRRrrrrssss!!PEKING::COSSEYNWorld Cup 1994 ZZzzzThu Dec 23 1993 18:537
    
    
    Happy X-mas you fellow Royals, maximum points please...
    
    Hears to a happy 94....
    
    Neil..
38.642PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURWed Dec 29 1993 12:568
    
    This was my first visit to Elm park this season if Stockport are supposed 
    to be a good side Reading will have no problems winning this league. Lovell
    scored twice in a three minutes just before the half time whistle. I
    dont remember Stockport even having a shot on target all game.
    
    Andy..B
    
38.643ChampionsGVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyMon Jan 03 1994 12:3024
RE: last

	Stockport were pretty poor, but Reading were exceptional in the first 
half and deserved more than a two goal lead. We were guilty of sitting back a 
bit in the second but with that 7 foot donkey they've got up front they never 
looked like scoring. Kerr and Dillon were IMO the best Reading players.

	Pretty annoyed that the Bristol game was called off but the Twerton 
Park pitch is always liable to bogging.

	Didn't have a chance to get to Cardiff, but we got done 3-0 with 2 
goals coming in the last 8 minutes. According to 210 Reading were the better 
team in the first half, Quinn going close on a number of occasions, but their 
better football didn't create as many chances as Cardiff. 1st defeat in 
16 games and first goals conceded in the league since Nov 6th. Bloody glad 
we've got no more trips into Taffland. 1 point from 3 games this year.

	Anyway as you lot have got a bank holiday today, I hope you'll be 
down Elm Park and watching York get stuffed - wish I could be there.

Happy new year Royals fans, and welcome to the year of glory !!


Andy..
38.644Back on trackCHEFS::EDINBOROUGHSDTN: 7830 - 2040Mon Jan 03 1994 20:4314
    
    Just heard from an unreliable source (Plymouth Argyle fan) that Reading
    won 2-1 and Plymouth could only draw 1-1.  This puts Reading 9 points
    clear now of Plymouth.  Apparently Quinn got both goals and Hopkins put
    the ball in his own net to give the visitors their goal.
    
    RE -1 
    
    I don't know what it is about Welsh sides but we very rarely get good
    results on their own turf.
    
    Happy New Year and it will be.
    
    Steve.
38.645FORTY2::FOWLERMFight the powerTue Jan 04 1994 12:2125
Quinn's first was a screaming free kick from outside the penalty area, and his
second was a good finish from near the penalty spot after a great run and low
cross from Mick Gooding. The own goal was a bit of a disaster, but no-one in the
South Stand really saw it as we were all busy insulting some York fan wearing a
train-spotter's anorak. I've never heard Elm Park sing louder or better than
that heart-rending chorus of "Who's the pratt in the anorak?"

Until we scored the first goal, Jamie Lambert was playing very well down the
right but then he seemed to drift into the middle and York began to put us under
a lot of pressure. The second half was fairly similar in that we scored early
and looked well on top, only to relax and allow them to create a lot of good
chances. Dylan Kerr and Micky G were excellent down the left in the second, and
the Mighty One could have had another with two shots going just wide and one
coming off the post.

In the last ten minutes Shaka pulled off two fantastic saves that earned us the
three points. The first was from a point blank header from the York substitute
and the second a driven shot or header or something that Shaka tipped over the
bar. Shaka got an ovation from the South Stand at the end of the game and
deservedly so.

York will be as sick as parrots not to get a point, but at the end of the day it
was a game of two halves and the team that scored the most goals won.

Mike
38.646BLKPUD::WOODWARDJDEC the halls with bows of holly...Tue Jan 04 1994 13:236
Could someone post the top half of the table please?

Tried to go to the Stockport match but got locked out with 100's
of other fans.

James.
38.647SIX POINTS CLEARPEKING::ROSECWed Jan 05 1994 12:0719
    Makes good reading,
    
                 PL       POINTS   GOALS
    
    READING      23       50       48
    PLYMOUTH     23       44       45
    STOCKPORT    23       44       39
    BURNLEY      24       43       41
    PORT VALE    23       39       40
    BRENTFORD    24       39       30
    HULL         24       38       40
    BRISTOL R    22       38       28
    BRADFORD     23       35       34
    YORK         24       35       33
    
    Reading are the only team in the top five that play this Saturday. 
    Home to Hartlepool.
    
    Chris
38.6489 points clearADDULT::ROBERTSONMon Jan 10 1994 12:5231
Me To Mike Fowler on Friday:

	"If Reading can get an early goal they'll get a hatfull!!"

I think they heard me

Reading 4 Hertlepool 0	(That's how it was spelt on CEEFAX :-) )
Quinn 3
Lovell 8
Taylor ?
?

Other important games:

Cambridge 0 - 2 York
Brentford 3 - 4 Bristol Rovers

So the top looks like this now:

                 PL       POINTS   GOALS
    
    READING      24       53       52
    PLYMOUTH     23       44       45
    STOCKPORT    23       44       39
    BURNLEY      24       43       41
    BRISTOL R    23       41       32
    PORT VALE    23       39       40
    BRENTFORD    25       39       33
    HULL         24       38       40
    YORK         25       38       35
    BRADFORD     23       35       34
38.649SUBURB::ABSOLOMTbetty swollocksMon Jan 10 1994 13:2714
    
    Gooding got the other goal, following up a Quinn finger-breaker. All
    four goals were great. Quinn 20yard free-kick, Lovell 15yard on-the-run
    volley, Taylor round the keeper, and Gooding's because of Quinn's
    free-kick. 
    
    Hartlepool were rubbish, apart from their keeper who made about five
    breathtaking saves. 
    
    It could have been ten.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.650SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Jan 10 1994 16:145
    Another impressive performance from Reading. Pass,pass,pass is the
    Mark McGee obssession,and it`s paying off.
    
    I`ll be at the Leyton Orient game this Saturday. 
    
38.651CHAMPIONS?PEKING::ROSECMon Jan 10 1994 17:1624
    RE- last few.   Ditto Ditto
    
    This was a one-sided affair.  The only thing Reading did wrong was to
    let Hartlepool off the hook with only four goals.  Although, before
    Saturday Hartlepool had not conceded more than two goals in an away
    game.
    
    This now takes Reading's run of home league games without defeat to 23
    (19 wins and 4 draws).  We have played 3 of the last 4 league games at
    home and we now face 3 of the next 4 away.
    
    The next game is Fulham away tomorrow in the Autoglass, followed by
    Orient away on Saturday.
    
    Interesting to note that on Saturday Reading did not include (even on
    the bench!!) - Gilkes, Hartenburger, Ranson, Lambert and Ranson.  We
    had a 19 year-old and a 20 year-old on the bench.....something for the
    future.
    
    Re- previous....McGhee has brought a level of football to this club (ie
    passing at all costs) which is a pleasure to watch.  Long may it
    continue.
    
    Chris 
38.6528*)SUBURB::ABSOLOMTbetty swollocksMon Jan 10 1994 17:216
    
    Christ, that Ray Ranson is twice the man I thought he was.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.653How's Humpy now he's back?YUPPY::PATEMANSome Fantastic PlaceMon Jan 10 1994 17:254
    As a Palace fan wishing we had John Humphrey back, how did he play on
    Saturday?
    
    Paul
38.654SUBURB::ABSOLOMTbetty swollocksMon Jan 10 1994 17:569
    
    It was the first time I've seen him, and he weren't great! His passing
    was sketchy, but he seemed sound in the defence department.
    
    However, I'm reliably informed he has been better than that.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.655The other one!PEKING::ROSECMon Jan 10 1994 18:006
    RE- a few ago.  Ofcourse the other absentee was McPherson.  And yes,
    Humphrey has played better than that.  I would prefer to see him play
    rather than Ranson.
    
    Chris
    
38.656IMAPC::MURRAYMon Jan 10 1994 18:4011
    
    
    Whats the average crowd at Reading these days?
    
    And do they still sing famous ditties such as
    
    	"We're the left side, we're the left side, We're the left side of
    the Bank."
    
    
    Such wonderful memories :)
38.657SUBURB::ABSOLOMTbetty swollocksMon Jan 10 1994 18:408
    
    Mind you, "John John, John John John John, John John John John, John
    John, JOHN JOHN HUMPHREYS!" doesn't have the same ring as Ray Ray etc!
    
    Tony
    
    
    
38.658SUBURB::ABSOLOMTbetty swollocksMon Jan 10 1994 18:428
    
    The average crowd is about 5k me thinks. And yes, the 10-14year old
    bovver boys still have great fun with ""Weeeee're the leerrrrft side
    etc.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.659FORTY2::FOWLERMFight the powerMon Jan 10 1994 19:1313
The last few crowds have been 6-7000 and they turned people away from the
Stockport game.

Other tunes:

Mark McGhee is magic, he wears a magic hat, and when he saw the championship, he
said I'm having that, ooooooooooooooohhhhh... (rpt)

Shaka, Shaka, Shaka, etc. (my personal fave)

He's blue, he's white, he's f***ing dynamite   (guess what striker that's about)

Mike
38.660IMAPC::MURRAYMon Jan 10 1994 20:1310
    
    Mike ain't gotta clue who its about but I do remember
    
    He's here, he's there, he's every f***ing where Martin 'icks, Martin
    'icks.
    
    Where is he now actually?
    
    Paul 
    
38.661ADDULT::ROBERTSONMon Jan 10 1994 20:323
He's playing non-league. In the Reading/Newbury area I think!

Al
38.662SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Jan 10 1994 20:4113
    My favourite is "Shaka,what`s the score,Shaka,Shaka what`s the score?"
    
    There`s always big applause as he sticks his 2 fingers up in the air.
    Or 3 fingers etc depending on the score.
    
    My seasonal favourite is "9 points clear My Lord,9 points clear. Oh
    Lord,9 points clear". (Sung to the tune of Cum by ah My Lord).
    
    But the funniest has to be against York with the "you got an anorak
    for Xmas" "Your Mum shops at C&A" etc to the sad York fan with a crap
    anorak on.
    
    
38.663FORTY2::FOWLERMFight the powerTue Jan 11 1994 12:297
And it went on.... "You got a coat for Christmas"........"Is that what you call
a coat"........"Who's the pratt in the anorak".....etc.

Ah, heady days. It's just a shame that while we were singing it we scored an own
goal and no-one in the South stand noticed. 8-)

Mike
38.664SUBURB::WAITEGDOUBLE TALKIN' JIVETue Jan 11 1994 12:369
    I have to admit that Reading fans in the Southbank are good for a laugh.  I
    love it when all the 14 year olds sing "Come and have a go if you think
    you're hard enough".  Whilst singing this they seem to be taking a step
    away from the away end and nearer their parents further along the
    Southbank.  
    
    Is Mike Fowler one of these 14 year olds???
    
    /GAry....
38.665FORTY2::FOWLERMFight the powerTue Jan 11 1994 13:203
Come and find out if you think you're hard enough....

Mike
38.666PEKING::ROSECTue Jan 11 1994 13:216
    The average crowd at Reading this season is 6500 - this will almost
    certainly rise as the season progresses.  This is 36% up on last season
    and last season was about 25% up on the season before.  
    
    My favourite song WILL be "Champions Champions Champions" around the
    end of April.
38.667SUBURB::WAITEGDOUBLE TALKIN' JIVETue Jan 11 1994 13:2610
    RE 665
    
    Mike, 
    
    I did visit your area a couple of weeks before Christmas but you were
    obviously hiding from me cos I didn't see yer.  Where do yer sit???
    
    And yes, i'm hard enough but will you run???
    
    /GAry
38.668SUBURB::ABSOLOMTbetty swollocksTue Jan 11 1994 14:046
    
    I predict a draw against a desperate Fulham tonight.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.669SUBURB::WAITEGDOUBLE TALKIN' JIVETue Jan 11 1994 14:096
    RE 668
    
    And Fulham to win on penalties.
    
    
    /GAry
38.670FORTY2::FOWLERMFight the powerTue Jan 11 1994 14:3318
>>>>>>>
I did visit your area a couple of weeks before Christmas but you were
--------------------------------------------------------    
obviously hiding from me cos I didn't see yer.  Where do yer sit???
                                                -----------------
>>>>>>>

Is it just me or is there something wrong with this statement?

Anyway, in a desperate attempt to inject some relevence into this note, is
Michael Gilkes injured? I heard he was, and tha was why he wasn't on the bench
at the weekend.

Also has anyone heard anything about this rumour concerning a bid for Williams?

Cheers,

Mike
38.671SUBURB::WAITEGDOUBLE TALKIN' JIVETue Jan 11 1994 14:377
    Re 670
    
    Let me put it another way.  I went where it said on ELF but you weren't
    there and no one had heard of yer!
    
    
    /GARy
38.672No WembleyPEKING::ROSECWed Jan 12 1994 12:106
    Reading were unlucky to lose 1-0 to Fulham last night in the Autoglass.
    Kerr didn't play as he had a car crash at the weekend - he should be
    fit for Saturday.
    One competition left!!
    
    Chris
38.673PGREEN::CHALFONTWed Jan 12 1994 15:1925
38.674SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Jan 12 1994 15:296
    It`s a shame about Reading going out of the Autoglass - I was hoping
    for the prestigious double.
    
    Still,at least we can concentrate on the league. Leyton Orient will
    indeed be tought - I forsee a draw.
    
38.675UPROAR::LEMPThere ain't no Sanity Clause....Wed Jan 12 1994 15:4114
    re -2
    
    > Adie Williams is being closely monitored by Sheffield Wednesday amongst
    
    I'm not a regular reader of this note so could you tell me which
    position Adie Williams plays in. We'll have to find a replacement for
    Roland Nillson by the end of the season who plays at right back. Also,
    is he any good?
    
    Sorry to appear such a vulture, but as you said we have got a bad
    injury situation at the moment.
    
    Paul.
    
38.676PEKING::COSSEYNWorld Cup 1994 ZZzzzWed Jan 12 1994 16:157
    
    I also went to the game on Saturday and the second goal was
    exceptional, I've been twice this season and Lovell played very
    well in both games and looks a good prospect. It would have been nice
    to get a Wembley appearance but promotion is the priority....
    
    Neil...  
38.677AdiePEKING::ROSECWed Jan 12 1994 16:245
    RE - Williams
    
    He is a centre-back, and occasionally has played up front.  He's only
    22 and is an excellent prospect for the future.   SO HANDS OFF!
    
38.678Are we "big" thenUPROAR::LEMPThere ain't no Sanity Clause....Wed Jan 12 1994 18:3413
    re -1
    
    >RE - Williams
    
    >He is a centre-back, and occasionally has played up front.  He's only
    >22 and is an excellent prospect for the future.   SO HANDS OFF!
    
    I can sympathise. It wasn't so long ago that Wednesday were in the
    position of having players poached by "bigger" clubs. Let us have our
    (brief?) moment amongst the big spenders.
    
    Paul.
     
38.679Re: last fewGVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyFri Jan 14 1994 16:1310
The thing with Williams is that Wednesday have been the 4th or 5th club that 
have been rumoured to be after him. Until these become firm bids I'm not 
really worried, but to be honest I can't see him staying around for next 
season. I hope I'm wrong because McGhee has built a squad to get us up and we 
have a good basis to go from there - the last thing we want to do is start 
selling our best young players like Williams, Archie and Shaka.

And keeping McGhee for that matter.

Andy..
38.680FORTY2::FOWLERMFight the powerFri Jan 14 1994 16:216
On Midweek Sports Special McGhee said he doesn't want to move on because he
"hasn't served his management apprenticeship yet". Whether this means he'll go
if Reading get promoted or not I don't know. He said he hopes Shilts gets the
Southampton job, because it might hurt Plymouth's challenge. 8-)

Mike
38.681SUBURB::WAITEGBOING BOINGFri Jan 14 1994 16:387
    .680
    
    Mark McGhee is so funny.  :-(
    
    
    
    /GAry
38.682SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Jan 14 1994 16:434
    Apparently Arsenal have been watching Williams for the last 3 games.
    
    ...but he`ll cost in the regions of a million. 
    
38.683John O'Neill for the hoops?PAKORA::JADAMSFri Jan 14 1994 16:5613
38.684SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Jan 14 1994 20:134
    Cheers John.
    
    That`s very interesting. Sounds like a useful buy if it happened.
    
38.685SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Jan 17 1994 16:2312
    Leyton Orient 1 Reading 1
    
    Not a bad performance,against quite a tough team. Reading took the lead
    with a goal from Stuart Lovell after a defensive error. Leyton Orient
    pushed back hard in the 2nd half,and it was no suprise when they
    scored. Few chances after that,with Scott Taylor beating the defenders
    and goalkeeper but only to put the ball inches wide being the best
    opportunity.
    
    2,200 away supporters meant a good atmosphere,and I`m glad I went. Roll
    on Fulham away in 2 weeks time.
    
38.686Sunday game?PEKING::ROSECTue Jan 18 1994 11:296
    Re- Fulham away.
    
    If Chelsea beat Barnet this week in the cup replay, the Fulham v
    Reading game will be on SUNDAY 30th Jan (12.30 kick off).
    
    Chris
38.687Williams will stayPEKING::ROSECWed Jan 19 1994 11:3111
    Looks as if Sheff Wed will not be pursuing Williams any more, at least
    for the time being.  According to the press they were struggling to
    find 500k for some forward and have just spent 250k on a centre-back
    from Derby.
    
    The Barnet away game (22 Feb) will probably be all ticket.  As the Post
    said last night, Barnet can only offer 960 tickets to Reading which is
    not much more than a third of the reported 2600 Reading fans that went
    to Orient.
    
    Chris
38.688PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURWed Jan 19 1994 13:325
    
    Anyone know the remaining fixture list... 
    
    Andy..B
    
38.68921 leftPEKING::ROSECWed Jan 19 1994 15:5523
    JAN 22  EXETER (H)
    JAN 26  B.ROVERS (A)
    JAN 29/30 FULHAM (A)
    FEB 5   P.VALE (H)
    FEB 12  HARTLEPOOL (A)
    FEB 19  BRENTFORD (H)
    FEB 22  BARNET (A)
    FEB 26  CAMBRIDGE (A)
    MAR 5   WREXHAM (H)
    MAR 12  PLYMOUTH (A)
    MAR 16  BRADFORD (H)
    MAR 19  HULL (A)
    MAR 26  SWANSEA (H)
    MAR 29  YORK (A)
    APR 2   B.ROVERS (H)
    APR 4   STOCKPORT (A)
    APR 9   CARDIFF (H)
    APR 16  ROTHERHAM (H)
    APR 23  BLACKPOOL (A)
    APR 30  BRIGHTON (H)
    MAY 7   BOURNEMOUTH (A)
    
    Chris
38.690Champions.GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyThu Jan 20 1994 19:227
	According to the Southampton note...just looking to see if there was 
a new manager yet.... Alan Ball has been appointed.

	This could have an effect on the Exeter players on Saturday. 
Hopefully a negative one, but it's known to work for them.

	Anyway, here's to a 12 point gap opening up.
38.691SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Jan 24 1994 20:2419
    Reading 1 Exeter 0.
    
    A reasonable performance from the Royals,and they were the better team
    so they deserved the 3 points. Still 9 points clear at the top.
    
    My only real criticism has got to be Scott Taylor - get rid of this
    donkey. Chance after chance came his way to stick the ball in,and he
    fluffed it every time. I reckon put Uwe Hartenberger in this position,
    he seemed quite tasty when he came on as sub.
    
    Another criticism has to be a small minority of Exeter fans,swearing
    and asking the Soutbank to join `em for a fight etc during the minute
    silence. You`ve just got to question the mentality of a 30 ish year old
    geezer and his obligatory fat bloke mate. Fortunately this element were
    evicted from the ground.
    
    
    
    
38.692IMOGVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyTue Jan 25 1994 12:4511
re:-1

	Scott Taylor is probably the best player in the team at getting 
behind the defence and into goal scoring positions. Unfortunately he is also 
the worst finisher. Give him a bit more time, he seems to be getting better 
every season, and I reckon by next year, he will be a first choice on the 
right.

	Is Tom Jones back soon ?

Andy
38.693SUBURB::ABSOLOMTbetty swollocksTue Jan 25 1994 15:027
    
    Tom Jones has being training for a couple of weeks now. Good luck to
    him, we need him back in the squad.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.694ScottyUBOHUB::CAPEL_STue Jan 25 1994 16:1312
    
    I have to agree with Andy about Scott Taylor.
    
    You cannot fault his continuing running.  The number of times he is
    first to the attack & first back defending is too numerous to mention. 
    
    Even if he does lose the ball he tries his hardest to get it back
    unlike some of them.  The only thing which is stopping him from
    performing week in week out is the stick he gets from the so called
    "TRUE" supporters.  
    
    Shaun 
38.695SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitTue Jan 25 1994 16:199
    I`ll agree he does a lot of running,and many times i`ve been impressed
    at the way after he`s given the ball away he`ll run after it and
    wrestle it back.
    
    However,seeing Reading play a pin point passing game,the whole thing
    breaks down with 1 bad cross. And Taylor is doing too many bad crosses/
    passes etc.
    
    
38.696Why... why... why... Reading..... ;-)MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Tue Jan 25 1994 16:203
    Does Tom Jones do half time entertainment as well???
    
    Rick.
38.697SUBURB::ABSOLOMTbetty swollocksTue Jan 25 1994 17:506
    
    Well there's a new one. 8*)
    
    Tony
    
    
38.698Do you write all your own material?FORTY2::FOWLERMFrank's Fantastic Shed ShowTue Jan 25 1994 18:045
re:-2

The old ones are the oldest. 8-)

mike
38.699Reading... what a team!MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Tue Jan 25 1994 18:245
    re.-1
    
    No I had Bob Monkhouses scriptwriters work on that gag! ;-)
    
    rick
38.700SUBURB::ABSOLOMTbetty swollocksTue Jan 25 1994 20:306
    
    May Reading as successful in the league as I am at getting x00's.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.701BLKPUD::WOODWARDJNot 'arf...Thu Jan 27 1994 14:0610
    The result from last night was (I think)...
    
    Bristol Rovers     1 - 1    Reading
    
    Quinn scored Reading's goal and that puts us 10 points clear at the
    top.
    
    Both Stockport and Plymouth have games in hand.
    
    Jim.
38.702SUBURB::ABSOLOMTbetty swollocksThu Jan 27 1994 14:127
    
    Uwe Uwe was sent off for `violent conduct'. However both he and McGhee
    said it was an appalling decision and TV will clear his name.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.703KERNEL::MCKEAVENEYJHow's that....you're outThu Jan 27 1994 14:185
38.704FORTY2::FOWLERMFrank's Fantastic Shed ShowThu Jan 27 1994 14:313
65th minute I think, the same minute as Uwe was sent off. What's the story?

Mike
38.705Win at home, Draw away PEKING::ROSECThu Jan 27 1994 15:1525
    B.rovers took the lead after 43 minutes and then 5 minutes into the
    second half they had a bloke sent off for an "off the ball" incident.
    Quinn was brought down in the area on 65 mins, and duly put the penalty
    away.  Directly from the re-start, Uwe tangled with a BR bloke and
    appeared to shield the ball/use his body (possibly elbow) and was sent
    off.  Refs don't normally change their mind.
    Uwe will probably be suspended the same time as Gooding.
    
    Table:
    
    		PL   PTS   GOALS
    READING     27   58    55
    PLYMOUTH    25   48    48
    B.ROVERS    26   48    36
    STOCKPORT   24   47    42
    BRENTFORD   27   45    36
    BURNLEY     26   43    43
    P.VALE      25   43    42
    HULL        27   43    41
    
    Saturday's main game:  Bristol v Huddersfield
    Sunday:  Fulham v READING
    
    Chris
    
38.706SUBURB::ABSOLOMTbetty swollocksThu Jan 27 1994 15:367
    
    Well lets hope Steve Francis does the business on Saturday and Uwe hits
    back in style on Sunday.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.707SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitThu Jan 27 1994 16:085
    Meridian anounced the result as "Reading`s promotion hopes took a  
    battering as they lost 4-1 to Bristol tonight".
    
    huh?!
    
38.708I heard that result tooCHEFS::HARRISRDigitals recurrent nightmareThu Jan 27 1994 16:116
    I thought that's what I heard, but I thought I was cracking up.
    
    what's going on ??????????
    
    
    Rich.
38.709And Reading will be pleased with that.GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyFri Jan 28 1994 13:474
38.7101-0, againSUBURB::ABSOLOMTbetty swollocksMon Jan 31 1994 12:456
    
    Match report please.....
    
    Tony
    
    
38.711SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Jan 31 1994 16:0412
    Frankly,it was a poor performance Tony,and Fulham deserved the 3
    points.
    
    Passes going nowhere,no imagination,lack of communication between
    players. Gooding got sent off after kicking a player in the stomach.
    
    John Humphreys and Phil Parkinson played well - but that was about it.
    
    Mark McGhee needs to kick the boys up the proverbial backside,or our
    impressive lead will be lost.
    
    
38.712BLKPUD::WOODWARDJNot 'arf...Fri Feb 04 1994 13:405
Who are Reading playing this weekend?

Also who have Stockport and Plymouth got?

Jim.
38.713SUBURB::ABSOLOMTWaite a whileFri Feb 04 1994 13:546
    
    They have the mighty Port Vale at home.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.714BLKPUD::WOODWARDJNot 'arf...Fri Feb 04 1994 14:093
Hopefully we will get back to winning ways.

Jim.
38.715Cue Chris...GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyFri Feb 04 1994 14:3510
re:-1 
	After 3 goals and only 1 win in the last five games I hope you're 
right. There's no doubt we're the best team in the division, just having a 
dodgy patch. Port Vale is a tough game but we always seem to do better 
against tougher teams.

	I think Plymouth are playing Bristol Rovers as well. I'm sure Chris 
will correct me if I'm wrong and also tell us who Stockport are playing.

Andy
38.716SUBURB::ABSOLOMTWaite a whileFri Feb 04 1994 14:356
    
    So do I, I've had a fiver on it with Gary Waite.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.717MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Fri Feb 04 1994 15:074
    It said in the paper last night that Tom Jones might be back.... 
    
    rick
    
38.718Tough game for RoyalsPEKING::ROSECFri Feb 04 1994 19:0910
    Tomorrow's games:
    
    ROYALS v P.Vale
    Plymouth v Bristol R
    Stockport v Fulham
    Huddersfield v Burnley
    Brentford v York
    
    Chris
    
38.719I'm NOT panicking.GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyMon Feb 07 1994 11:2910
	What's going on ? Just a small hiccup I hope. First home defeat for 
over a year, but I'm not panicking. Plymouth and Bristol drew, Fulham won at 
Stockport so it's not that bad.

	Can anyone post a report and a Div 2 table.

	We've got (on paper) 4 easier games coming up, let's hope for some 
serious points.

Andy
38.720SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Feb 07 1994 16:0616
    No need to panic,Andy - not for the time being at least.
    
    Apart from the first 10 minutes Reading played a blinder. Great
    performances from Dillon,Gooding,and Taylor. Had by far the greater
    chances,and could have won (with just a touch of luck) by 4 or 5 goals
    to 2. Though that`s not to detract from Port Vale - they were probably
    the best team i`ve seen there apart from Plymouth and Burnley.
    
    To say I was stunned after the 2nd goal went in on the 10th minute
    would be a understatement. Why do Reading always look weak in defence
    when Williams doesn`t play?
    
    Tom Jones made a majestic return to the green,green grass of Elm Park.
    
    At one point I threw my knickers and bra at him.
    
38.721No worries!!PEKING::ROSECMon Feb 07 1994 16:3236
    RE -1   Bang on report.
    
    Reading did not deserve to lose - and we are still one of the best (if
    not, the best) team in the division.  McGhee was on TV yesterday and
    did not seem to concerned.  Also, Dylan Kerr was on the radio yesterday
    morning and vowed that Reading were unlikely to lose again this season.
    
    McPherson was to blame for the first goal, although he'll be leaving at
    the end of the season.  We did miss Williams, but he should be back for
    next Saturday.  Reading are currently showing an interest in Jimmy
    Carter of Arsenal (ex-Liverpool) - he could be on loan in the next
    couple of weeks.
    
    Table is:
    
    		GAMES    POINTS
    
    READING      29        58
    STOCKPORT    26        50
    BRISTOL      28        50
    PLYMOUTH     26        49
    BURNLEY      28        47
    BRENTFORD    29        47
    P.VALE       26        46
    
    No midweek games.
    
    Next Saturday is:
    
    Hartlepool v Royals
    Barnet v Plymouth
    P.Vale v Stockport
    Bristol R v Brentford
    
    Chris
     
38.722SUBURB::WAITEGLOVE MYSELF, BETTER THAN YOUWed Feb 09 1994 15:217
    Re 716
    
    Tony,  Where is my fiver??????????????????
    
    
    
    /Gary
38.723SUBURB::ABSOLOMTWaite a whileFri Feb 11 1994 12:478
    
    Seeing as I'd already paid you Gary that was below the belt.
    
    Tony
    
    ps Hartlepool tomorrow and three points is a must.
    
    
38.724SUBURB::WAITEGLOVE MYSELF, BETTER THAN YOUFri Feb 11 1994 15:3710
    Re 723
    
    At the time of my reply Tony, the fiver  was not in my hands.  Also may
    I say that your non-sporting attitude when giving me the money was very
    upsetting.  
    
    I might even bet with yer on Hartlepool winning tomorrow.
    
    
    /Gary 
38.725SUBURB::ABSOLOMTWaite a whileFri Feb 11 1994 17:067
    
    I take it back. May I congratulate on your sporting guesture in letting
    try to win my money back.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.726SUBURB::WAITEGLOVE MYSELF, BETTER THAN YOUFri Feb 11 1994 17:085
    Tone,  you're a gent!
    
    
    
    /GAry
38.727SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Feb 11 1994 20:415
    A crucial game tomorrow.
    
    Still,it makes the season a bit more interesting.
    
    
38.728BLKPUD::WOODWARDJNot 'arf...Mon Feb 14 1994 12:4314
Hartlepool  1 - 4  Reading.

Good win.  I think Lovell got 2, Quinn in the 90th and someone else,
Gooding?.

Hartlepool were 1-0 up at half time.

Ten points clear now as Stockport, Plymouth and Bristol all failed
to get three points.

Jim.

P.S. Did anyone see the Mirror yesterday?  They've got a new game
about Strikers.  Jimmy Quinn gets quite a good mention.
38.729SUBURB::ABSOLOMTWaite a whileMon Feb 14 1994 14:466
38.730SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Feb 14 1994 15:3310
    Relief then Reading won.
    
    I was in the Jolly Porter when I saw the half time results - Hartlepool
    1 Reading 0. I was quite gutted,I`ll admit.
    
    Then relief when I got home and the final score was Reading 4 Hatlepool
    1.
    
    Brentford next - a draw,perhaps?
    
38.731SUBURB::ABSOLOMTWaite a whileMon Feb 14 1994 15:3812
    
    I think we should treat the Brentford fans with the same hospitality as
    they did with us. i.e keep them outside for an hour without
    explanation, have our coppers be rude and ignorant, put them in a kaky
    roped off bit of stand with no food or drink facilities and then throw
    them out with excess brutality for no apparent reason.
    
    Tony
    
    ps oh yeh, and then beat them 1-0.
    
                       
38.732SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Feb 14 1994 15:483
    Perhaps we could give them a wall and call it toilet facilities,like
    at the Brentford game?
    
38.733SUBURB::WAITEGLOVE MYSELF, BETTER THAN YOUMon Feb 14 1994 16:029
    Re 731
    
    No thanks needed, Tony.  Not even you could spoil my weekend.  I'll be
    thinking about a fiver on the game on Saturday.  I'm quietly confident
    of the Bees doing yer.   
    
    
    
    /GAry
38.734SUBURB::ABSOLOMTWaite a whileMon Feb 14 1994 16:247
    
    By the way Stu, the Jolly Porter? What's up, was the London Tavern
    shut?
    
    Tony
    
    
38.735SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Feb 14 1994 20:348
    Dunno - the London Tavern strikes me as being a bit of a woolly jumper,
    pipe smoking,beard wearing bitter specialist pub - with adulations
    of "nutty,malty pint of sheer bliss" type nonsense.
    
    Whereas the Jolly Porter is yer standard dyed in the wool hardened 
    drinkers pub - complete with ripped seats and dazed Scotsmen.
    
              
38.736Nice pub.GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyTue Feb 15 1994 12:048
re:-1
	Does the old leather faced women still sit in the corner knitting, 
and the obligatory manky dog by the bar ?
	

Andy.

	P.S Any news on Jimmy Carter ?
38.737SUBURB::ABSOLOMTWaite a whileTue Feb 15 1994 12:517
    
    I see `Reading reject' Craig Maskell scored, missed a sitter and got a
    penalty against Looneypool last night.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.738SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Feb 16 1994 15:544
   I`ve heard Jimmy Carter is a bit tasty. Is this right?
    
    Anyone going to the Brentford game?
    
38.739Bye Bye BeesPEKING::ROSECWed Feb 16 1994 16:0614
    Things appeared to have died down regarding Jimmy Carter, although it
    wouldn't surprise me if McGhee got another loanee before Saturday.
    Should be a good crowd on Saturday, apparently Brentford are on quite a
    good run (until Saturday).
    
    The home game against Bradford, due for Wednesday 16th March, has been
    brought forward a day.
    
    After this Saturday, Reading travel to Barnet on Tuesday in an
    all-ticket game.
    
    16 games to go - 9 wins should do it.
    
    Chris
38.740SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAll hail super HickThu Feb 17 1994 13:1412
38.741Reading 2 Brentford 1GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyMon Feb 21 1994 15:348
Well, an 88th minute winner from yer man Jimmy Quinn puts another 3 points in 
the bag for Reading and keeps the 10 point gap. (Stockport won, as did Port 
Vale and Bristol, but Plymouth lost)

Anyone go, got a report, I wish I had been there when that goal went in.

Andy..

38.742SUBURB::WAITEGLOVE MYSELF, BETTER THAN YOUMon Feb 21 1994 15:4110
    Tony Abbo,
    
    Our next bet involving Reading is the game away to Cambridge.  You have
    the draw.  
    
    Defeat at Barnet and Cambridge and then hopefully Stu Cook will shut up
    about bleeding being top of the league.
    
    
    /GAry
38.743Top Guns etcSUBURB::ABSOLOMTAll hail super HickMon Feb 21 1994 16:1811
    
    BTW, I work with Phil Belshaw, Reading Rugby Club god-figure. As he now
    tops the UK points charts for first class Rugby Union, Nigel Sutcliffe
    is coming down to DECpark today to get a picture of him together with
    Jimmy Quinn Quinn Quinn.
    
    Tony
    
    ps He's signing a newspaper article for me, how eggsyting.
    
    
38.744SUBURB::WAITEGLOVE MYSELF, BETTER THAN YOUMon Feb 21 1994 16:198
    Re 743
    
    Jimmy Quinn is past it.  He'll never survive in the 1st division and
    i'll tell him that when he visits Phil.
    
    
    
    /Gary
38.745SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAll hail super HickMon Feb 21 1994 16:217
    
    But at least he got there Gaz. Your sorry lot are a bunch of never will
    be's and never have beens.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.746SUBURB::WAITEGLOVE MYSELF, BETTER THAN YOUMon Feb 21 1994 16:235
    He never got anywhere....
    
    
    
    /GAry
38.747SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Feb 21 1994 16:457
    Super team performance by the Royals on Saturday.
    
    They came from 1-0 down to clinch the winner in the 88th minute. 
    
    Not a lot more I can say except if they keep this up they`ll cruise
    into the 1st division.
    
38.748SUBURB::WAITEGSTEVIE BULL'S A TATTERTue Feb 22 1994 16:406
    I can't wait to see Absolom's face tomorrow after Barnet go and stuff
    Reading tonight.
    
    
    
    /GAry
38.749SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAll hail super HickTue Feb 22 1994 17:5510
    
    
    Dreeeeeeam, dream, dream, dreeeam, dreeeeeeeeam.
    
    Revenge time for Tom Jones's leg break earlier in the season tonight.
    The royals will get a hatful.
    
    Tony 
    
    
38.750SUBURB::WAITEGSTEVIE BULL'S A TATTERTue Feb 22 1994 18:088
    Ahh but will Reading get any goals.  
    
    
    Barnet  1                   Reading   0
    Haag  83  
    
    
    /Gary
38.751SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAll hail super HickTue Feb 22 1994 18:396
    
    That's not ::HAAG out of soapbox is it Gary.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.752SUBURB::WAITEGSTEVIE BULL'S A TATTERTue Feb 22 1994 18:498
    RE 751
    
    No its young Kelly Haag who scored at Elm Park earlier on in the season
    when Reading luckily beat Barnet.
    
    
    
    /GAry
38.753SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitTue Feb 22 1994 20:074
    Yes,Reading only just beat Barnet 4-1.
    
    A close run game. I was bricking myself to the very last minute. 
    
38.754PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURWed Feb 23 1994 11:422
    
    Reading v Barnet was called off....
38.755!PEKING::WOODWARDPSun Feb 27 1994 18:145
    bloody hell. I finally find the footy file, check out the Reading note,
    and find it's full of Soapboxers. Chris Eastland is'nt here as well is
    he?
    
    Woody.
38.756SUBURB::WAITEGSTEVIE BULL'S A TATTERMon Feb 28 1994 12:385
    No he ain't Woody.
    
    
    
    /GAry
38.757MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Mon Feb 28 1994 12:494
    Which is the best end at Elm Park... I might get some tickets for their
    game against Plymouth.. if they haven't all been sold! :->
    
    Rick
38.758BLKPUD::WOODWARDJNot 'arf...Mon Feb 28 1994 14:2417
Cambridge Utd 	0 - 1	Reading
			Quinn '76


Another good win on Saturday against the club
that knocked us out of the cup.  Cambridge had
a few good chances but Quinn scored to give
us the win.

That keeps us well out in front but Stockport's
game was called off giving them another game in hand.
I think if they win all their games in hand it
will leave them one point behind.  Looks like
the next few months could be quite exciting.

Jim.
38.759wrong one,GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyMon Feb 28 1994 14:287
RE:-2

	You shouldn't have any trouble getting a ticket for Elm Park....
....the game's in Plymouth.

Andy.

38.760I'm confused!! ;->>MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Mon Feb 28 1994 15:464
    Who are they playing next week then.. I saw an advert in the local rag
    saying that you could buy tickets at the town hall... 
    
    Rick.
38.761SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Feb 28 1994 16:064
    They`re playing Wrexham this weekend.
    
    Should be a rivetting game. Not.
    
38.762SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAll hail super HickMon Feb 28 1994 16:397
    
    I'll be making my first trip in over a month. I'm sure that will give
    the team a lift.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.763Championship news.GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyWed Mar 02 1994 19:399
	Can anyone provide an update ? Evening post news, injuries, team for 
Saturday, reports on Cambridge game, etc.
	Has Tom Jones or Uwe been playing - who's in and out of the team etc.

	I get absolutely zilch out here, and on Sky 'Endsleigh..what's that!' 
Sports.

Cheers
Andy
38.764SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAll hail super HickWed Mar 02 1994 19:436
    
    Where the hell is GEO?? 
    
    Tony
    
    
38.765KERNEL::MCKEAVENEYJShy Ann (Indian Virgin)Wed Mar 02 1994 20:284
    
    Geneva.
    
    
38.766SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Mar 04 1994 15:077
    Wrexham tomorrow - revenge is on the cards for them beating us 3-2.
    
    That was near the start of the season,and Wrexham have slipped to about
    2/3`s down the table. I predict Reading 3 Wrexham 1.
    
    I`ll be there with thick fat ugly bloke and Jim (ex-nervous bloke) and 
    quite possibly Kieran (er,ex-Digital bloke).  
38.767saved meself 7quid...PEKING::WOODWARDPSun Mar 06 1994 18:169
    Wrexham 1  Reading 0
    
    Could'nt get to the match, which was lucky, as according to my mates
    who did, the Royals wuz crap. 
    
    If Stockport win all their matches (they won on Saturday) in hand, they
    could overtake Reading.
    
    Woody.
38.768Wales 3 Reading 0GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyMon Mar 07 1994 12:302
	Stockport are away to Wrexham in midweek, hopefully the leek-eaters 
will do us a favour - but I doubt it.
38.769SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Mon Mar 07 1994 12:485
    Tony Absolom was upset when I rang him up on Saturday and after seeing
    him this morning he still seems to be in a bit of a stinker.
    
    
    /GAry
38.770SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAll hail super HickMon Mar 07 1994 13:077
38.771SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Mon Mar 07 1994 13:098
    Re 770
    
    I look forward to it.  And thanks for hanging up the phone on Saturday. 
    Made my day even sweeter.
    
    
    
    /GAry
38.772SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAll hail super HickMon Mar 07 1994 13:207
    
    I did what any man would have done when Gary Waite rings them up,
    half-cut, on a Saturday night.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.773SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Mon Mar 07 1994 13:258
    Re 772
    
    Tony, lets face it.  Most people would be honoured if I phoned em' up
    but not you.... You are a man of great taste.
    
    
    
    /Gary
38.774I'ld probably have thrown up too ;-)BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Mon Mar 07 1994 14:008
    Re .772
>    I did what any man would have done when Gary Waite rings them up,
>    half-cut, on a Saturday night.
        
    Hey Tony, I hope you cleaned it up yourself, and didn't make your
    missus do it  ;-)
    
    Jerry.
38.775SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Mon Mar 07 1994 14:037
    Re 774
    
    Lies Jerry...  You shouldn't lie.
    
    
    
    /GAry
38.776Humble apology .....BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Mon Mar 07 1994 15:495
    I'm sorry Gary, you're right. I'll try not to tell lies in future. I'ld 
    go to confession this evening, but my Swiss German isn't good enpugh ;-)
    
    
    Jerry.
38.777SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Mar 07 1994 16:069
    I went to the game,and frankly it was pretty dire.
    
    Reading lacked the necessary clout in the midfield,though Wrexham were
    hardly awe inspiring. Man of the match was loanee hairdresser,Tony
    Witter. Did a great job. 
    
    Once Reading get over injuries and suspensions,then hopefully things
    will get back on course.
    
38.778Lost near France.GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyMon Mar 07 1994 17:293
RE; -1. What was the team ? - what are our injury/suspension problems ?

Cheers.
38.779Injuries and suspensionsRDGENG::CHALFONTMon Mar 07 1994 19:0833
    The team was:
    
    Hislop
    Ransom
    Witter
    Hopkins
    Kerr
    Taylor
    Williams (Carey)
    Lovell
    Quinn
    Gilkes (Lambert)
    Jones
    
    Currently Dillon is out injured with hamstring problems for 3-4 weeks,
    Parkinson and Gooding are suspended (although Gooding returns for the
    Plymouth game). Williams also went off injured on Saturday.
    
    The injuries and suspensions certainly were a major problem on Saturday.
    The team simply didn't have any cohesion with our playmaker (Dillon)
    and our midfield workhorses (Parky and Gooding) missing.
    
    Wrexham were pretty awful as already mentioned but, on the day, did
    enough to win. Enough said about Reading's display therefore.
    
    The team certainly don't look the same team as before Christmas. We
    will need to sort the problems out quickly with some tough games
    approaching particularly against Plymouth away on Saturday. A draw
    would be a good reult.
    
    
    Neil 
                                                 
38.780SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Tue Mar 08 1994 11:5711
    Tonights games...
    
    Plymouth       V      Barnet
    Wrexham        V      Stockport 
    
    
    If Stockport win their games in hand then they'll go top.  I fear that
    Stu Cook might even top himself.  Come on Stockport! :-)
    
    
    /GAry
38.781SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAll hail super HickTue Mar 08 1994 12:3510
    
    As the taffs seem to revel in making life misery for the R's, they will
    probably kick the ball in their own net to ensure a Stockport victory.
    
    As for Plymouth/Barnet well, Peter Shilton might as well play up front.
    At least then he'll be involved.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.782SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitTue Mar 08 1994 16:447
    There`s a lot of ifs involved but,if Plymouth win today and beat
    Reading on Saturday,then the lead is cut to 2 points.
    
    If Stockport win the next 4 games,then they`ll go top with 2 points.
    
    A glorious 3 points against Plymouth on Saturday would go down a treat.
    
38.783SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAll hail super HickTue Mar 08 1994 20:3015
38.784SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Wed Mar 09 1994 11:5924
    Re 783
    
    Tony,
    
    I won't be in at 6.00pm as i'll be travelling back from Palace.  I will
    however phone you no matter who has won the bet.  Also remember that we
    have a 5 pounds bet on who finishes higher out of Reading and
    Stockport.  I have the 'Port'.
    
    Also made an interesting bet with Stuart Cook.  He thinks Reading will
    finish in the top six of the 1st division next season.  We have 50
    pounds on this with a further ten pounds to be won if West Brom finish
    higher than Reading.   Easy money for me....
    
    ----
    
    Yesterdays scores
    
    Plymouth beat Barnet 1-0 thanks to a last minute goal.  Stuart Cook was
    gutted and Stockport won at Wrexham 1-0.  Reading lead by 5 points over
    Plymouth but remember they're playing each other on Saturday.
    
    
    /GAry
38.785No worriesGVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyWed Mar 09 1994 12:212
Anyone got an updated 'top of the table'.
Cheers.
38.786Big one on SaturdayPEKING::ROSECWed Mar 09 1994 15:1917
    
    
    		PL      PTS     GOALS    GAMES LEFT
    					  H    A
    
    READING     33      67       63       6    7
    PLYMOUTH    33      62       61       6    7
    STOCKPORT   30      60       55       7    9
    BRISTOL R   33      57       43       6    7
    P.VALE      31      54       49       7    8
    BURNLEY     33      53       57       7    6
    HULL        34      53       49       6    6
    
    No one else has a realistic chance of automatic promotion.  Brentford
    who are next in the table can only obtain a maximum of 88 points.
    
    Chris
38.787match infoPEKING::ROSECThu Mar 10 1994 18:5910
    Oh yeah, in case anyone hasn't heard.
    
    Next week's game at home to Bradford is now on the Tuesday, not
    Wednesday.   The Bristol Rovers home game (April 2) is all-ticket (even
    for Southbank card holders).
    The final game of the season at Bournemouth has been brought forward
    from the Saturday to the Thursday (5th May) on police advice. 
    I don't think that will deter the hordes from travelling.
    
    Chris
38.788Royals 2 Plymouth 1UBOHUB::CAPEL_SFri Mar 11 1994 18:328
    
    It has been announced on the Reading Royal Line that Reading have
    signed -
    
    		Ray Wallace on loan from Leeds.
    
    Shaun
    
38.789It double or nothing... MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Fri Mar 11 1994 18:446
    Good player is Ray Wallace....
    
    	Shame he didn't get into the Leeds first team on more occasions....
    but we only bought him to get his bro.. :->
    
    	Rick.
38.790SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Mon Mar 14 1994 12:4213
    Tony Abs,
    
    Fancy a bet on the midweek fixtures???
    
    
    Reading  Vs  Bradford.       You have Reading and the draw...
    
    West Brom Vs Notts County    I'll have West Brom and the draw...
    
    
    
    
    /GARy
38.791SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAll hail super HickMon Mar 14 1994 12:586
    
    No problemo Gazzeroony. Victory for the R's would be smashing.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.792SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Mon Mar 14 1994 13:004
    Its a bet then Tony!
    
    
    /GAry
38.793ADDULT::ROBERTSONSome days are bouncers that won't let you inMon Mar 14 1994 13:4810
Plymouth 3 - 1 Reading

Oops

Only 2 points ahead of plymouth now.
Stockport drew.

A win against Bradford tomorrow is a definite must.

Al
38.794ADDULT::ROBERTSONSome days are bouncers that won't let you inTue Mar 15 1994 12:526
Other important fixtures tonight:

	Rotherham v Plymouth
	Stockport v York

Al
38.795SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAll hail super HickTue Mar 15 1994 13:249
    
    Paaaarrrrky, Paaaarkky, Paaaaaaarrrky. Blonde bombshell Phil Parkinson
    returns for the super R's tonite. 
    
    Up the R's!!
    
    Tony
    
    
38.796SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Tue Mar 15 1994 13:267
    Re 795
    
    I have every confidance that Lee Power and ex-WBA man Gary Robson will
    score for Bradford and leave me 5 pounds richer.
    
    
    /GAry
38.797SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAll hail super HickTue Mar 15 1994 13:307
    
    The only five pounds you need Gaz is on your waif-like figure. It's
    pretty breezy out there, and we wouldn't want to lose yer Gaz.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.798SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Tue Mar 15 1994 13:316
    Re 797
    
    Nothing wrong with my Sly Stallone like figure Tony....
    
    
    /GAry 
38.799SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitTue Mar 15 1994 16:125
    I have every faith Reading will win 3-0,and Rotherham and Stockport
    will lose.
    
    ho,ho.
    
38.800Bradford 2 Reading 1MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Tue Mar 15 1994 16:523
    Well you have more faith than the rest of us... :->
    
    Rick.
38.801SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Tue Mar 15 1994 16:557
    Re 800
    
    Please remember that Stu Cook predicted that Reading would hammer
    Wrexham and then beat Playmouth by the odd goal.  He's never right...
    
    
    /GAry
38.802Probably just one man & his dog... MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Tue Mar 15 1994 18:074
    What time does the match start.. and what size do you think the crowd
    will be... It'll be a good laugh.. :->
    
    Rick
38.803SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Tue Mar 15 1994 18:095
    No Rick, Stuart Cook will not be taking his girlfriend....
    
    Ho ho,
    
    /GAry
38.804ADDULT::ROBERTSONSome days are bouncers that won't let you inWed Mar 16 1994 13:1118
Well for the 1st time since November, Reading are not top :-(

We could only manage a draw with Bradford 1-1, Hopkin scoring for us and Power
equalising for Bradford.

Plymouth beat Rotherham 3-0, but at least York did us a favour by beating
Stockport 2-1.

Plymouth are now top on goals scored 67 to our 65, and Stockport a 7 points
behind, but have a game in hand.

I reckon that Reading feel that their fans deserve another Wembley trip, so
instead of gaining automatic promotion, we'll get to the play-off final and win
that :-)

We MUST beat Hull away on Saturday.

Al
38.805MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Wed Mar 16 1994 13:156
    Looks like Reading are going to do a ManU.. and loose their bottle
    in the final few months!
    
    I hope not...
    
    Rick.
38.806SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Wed Mar 16 1994 13:1614
    Tony's and my bet lays very much in the balance after last nights
    results.  When I heard Reading had taken the lead I thought I had lost
    the bet.  Torino's defence looked well capable of containing the Arse. 
    Then I had one of the most amazing minutes of my life!  Tony Adams
    headed Arsenal in front.  I then turned on Ceefax and Bradford had
    scored through Lee Power (Which i predicted a few notes back).  Plymouth 
    had also taken the lead and Stockport had pulled a goal back.  All in a 
    single minute of viewing Ceefax!!!
    
    Stuart Cook was not happy today.  Usually he wonders past my desk
    singing "Top of the League"...etc.  Today he was silent...
    
         
    /GAry
38.807SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAll hail super HickWed Mar 16 1994 13:2212
    
    I'm sick as the proverbial parrot. I went to watch the bright starting
    but eventually disappointing `Philidelphia' last night, alternatively,
    I could have gone to watch the equally bright starting and ultimately
    disappointing Reading. Archie put us one up after 6 minutes. But sadly,
    Lee "I've got the" Power levelled second half.
    
    Plymouth now top the table on goal difference.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.808The game lasts 90 minutesRDGENG::CHALFONTWed Mar 16 1994 16:1127
    Reading totally dominated the first 15 minutes last night and Bradford
    hardly had a kick. During this time, Lovell scored a cracking goal
    and then...well, Reading were transformed into a lacklustre, 
    mediocre-looking team with little or no idea in front of goal. Why?
    
    Having watched the last two home games, Reading just aren't the team
    they were up to and immediately after Christmas. Anyone who saw the
    Stockport game wouldn't think they were watching the same team.
    
    McGhee must be pulling his hair out. From what I have seen and heard
    this season, Reading are by far the best team in the division but they
    never seem to play for 90 minutes. Against Stockport, they sat on their
    lead, last Saturday at Plymouth Reading apparently dominated for 45
    minutes and then never had a kick, and last night they could and should
    have buried Bradford.
    
    If we are to gain automatic promotion, and we should, then McGhee must
    get the team playing for the whole 90 minutes.
    
    It would be great if he could get Gilkes to play for 5 minutes let
    alone 90. What is wrong with him this season? He has always had an
    attitude problem, but to me this season he has been a complete waste of
    space.
    
    Neil 
        
     
38.809MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Wed Mar 16 1994 16:313
    How did Ray Wallace play?
    
    Rick.
38.810SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Mar 16 1994 16:5214
    Ray Wallace didn`t play particularly well. Then again,apart from Dylan
    Kerr and Phil Parkinson,no one else did.
    
    For 15 minutes,Reading played a blinder and could have been 3-0 up by
    half time. But time and time again they gave away possesion,poor
    passing,poor finishing.
    
    If they carry on like this,plays off are all we can hope for,i`m
    afraid. Reading aren`t the stylish pin point passing team they once
    were.
    
    Reading were booed off the pitch,and it was like a funeral procession
    by the South Bank faithful leaving the ground.
    
38.811PEKING::WOODWARDPSun Mar 20 1994 16:466
    Mark McGee's prediction that Reading would recover form may be correct.
    The win on Saturday, coupled with poor performances from the nearest
    rivals, puts us back on top. Injuries permiting, I think they'll stay
    there.
    
    Woody.
38.812BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonMon Mar 21 1994 11:064
    
    	....don't Cardiff get a mention for beating Plymouth for you???
    
    JBG
38.813SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Mon Mar 21 1994 12:287
    Re 812
    
    Bloody Welsh have spoilt my weekend.  Lets hope Swansea make up for it.
    
    
    
    /GAry
38.8142 cheers for CardiffPEKING::WOODWARDPMon Mar 21 1994 15:186
    .812
    
    Oh alright. Grudging thanks to the boyos.
    
    
    Woody.
38.815SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Mar 21 1994 16:167
    It`s a funny old game,innit?
    
    Reading beat play off hopefuls Hull away,and Plymouth lose to Welsh
    no-hopers Cardiff.
    
    3 home games on a trot now,so let`s get the full 9 points.
    
38.816Games leftPEKING::ROSECMon Mar 21 1994 16:3314
    RE-1  Remaining fixtures
    
    MAR 26  SWANSEA     (H)
    MAR 29  YORK        (A)
    APR  2  BRISTOL R   (H)
    APR  4  STOCKPORT   (A)
    APR  9  CARDIFF     (H)
    APR 12  BARNET      (A)
    APR 16  ROTHERHAM   (H)
    APR 23  BLACKPOOL   (A)
    APR 30  BRIGHTON    (H)
    MAY  5  BOURNEMOUTH (A)
    
    
38.817MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Mon Mar 21 1994 16:384
    God.... 5 games in 14 days during April... if Reading pick up any more
    injuries then things will become tough!  
    
    Rick.
38.818SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Mar 21 1994 20:027
    Anyone expect trouble versus Swansea? There might be after the
    nastiness of last years fixture. Riot police,horses,dogs etc.
    
    I`ll be on the terrraces - stripped to the waist and tooled up for the
    job. Er,only joking.
    
    
38.819Injury/Suspension situationRDGENG::CHALFONTMon Mar 21 1994 20:0719
    The injury and suspension situation isn't too bad now. Everyone is back
    from suspension and Kevin Dillon, who has been badly missed, should be
    back from injury this week. He apparently has made an excellent
    recovery from his cartilage injury.
    
    It certainly is a tough fortnight. If I remember correctly, then of the
    remaining 10 fixtures, only York, Bristol Rovers and Stockport are in
    the top half and we have to play them in a 7 day period. Having said
    that, Reading have been playing better against better opposition.
    Surely with so much at stake, Reading can rally to beat these lower table
    clubs, especially since most are relatively safe with nothing much to
    play for (Cardiff and Rotherham excepted, and assuming Barnet are
    relegated by then).
    
    If anyone does know the top matches that Stockport, Plymouth and Port
    Vale have to play, please could they post them. It would appear to be a
    4 horse race for the two automatic promotion places now.
    
    Neil 
38.820SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Tue Mar 22 1994 12:0810
    RE 818
    
    No, you'll be pleased to know that West Brom sorted out those Welsh
    leak-eaters the following week.  I was their and I was giving this taff
    a good beating before a Police dog attacked me and bit my arm.  Hurt it
    did but the dog paid for that.  It made a nice kebab...
    
    Just joking,
    
    /GAry
38.821SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Tue Mar 22 1994 12:395
38.822Who plays who !PEKING::ROSECTue Mar 22 1994 15:0730
    RE .818   Swansea won't bring a fraction of what they brought last
    season.  They have nothing to play for in the league.
    
    RE .819
    
    Games left
    			Stockport     Plymouth     Port Vale
    
    MAY 26              B'mouth h     Hudd'fld a   Wrexham  a
    MAY 29              Brentford h   Brighton a   Bradford a
    APR 2               Blackpool a   Exeter  h    Fulham h
    APR 4               Reading  h    Fulham  a    Orient  a
    APR 9               Barnet a      B'mouth h    York  h
    APR 12              Swansea a
    APR 16              Orient a      Cambridge h  B'mouth h
    APR 19              P.Vale h                   Stockport a
    APR 23              Cardiff h     Brentford h  Swansea h
    APR 26              Bradford a    Wrexham a 
    APR 30              Bristol R a   Bradford h   Exeter h
    MAY 2               Exeter  a
    MAY 7               Hull h        Hart'pool a  Brighton a
    TBA						   Rotherham h
    TBA                                            Cardiff a
    
      Home games left     6              4          5
      Away games left     7              6          7
    
   Reading have 5 at home and 5 away.
    
    
38.823SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Tue Mar 22 1994 16:224
    Why was .821 deleted???  Even Stu Cook would admit that he is sad...
    
    
    /GAry
38.824SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitTue Mar 22 1994 20:294
    Being a sad case is something i`m very proud of.
    
    It takes years of practise.
    
38.825SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Fri Mar 25 1994 12:1335
    I was reading with interest the report in the Post about tomorrows
    game.  After last years crowd trouble the Reading Police force are
    taking no chances.  Other 150 Police will be present at the game.  
    
    I don't think their will be trouble.  I remember Reading Vs Birmingham
    a couple of years back when the trouble was dealt very well by Reading
    Police.
    
    I've also heard some reports from a good-source in London that Chelsea
    fans are coming down to help Reading out.  I hope this is true because
    if Swansea do make trouble then Reading will need all the help they can
    get.
    
    My only complaint about Reading fans in last seasons game was they
    lacked bottle.  All the 15 year olds that sing songs like "Come and have
    a go, if you think you're ard' enough" ran.  Whilst little boys they
    are, I must question their choice of songs.  If they're going to run
    whats the point of singing it.
    
    The question on everyone lips at the moment is, Will their be any West
    Brom fans at the game???  The answer to that is maybe.  West Brom hate
    Swansea.  West Brom done em' in the play-offs last season and Swansea
    are still annoyed at a couple of refereeing decisions.  I will be going
    to Reading town centre around 10:30 to 11:00 to make a final judgement
    on if i'll be attending the game in a bid to help you all out.  If all
    looks peaceful then I'm going up to West Brom Vs Derby.
    
    Remember if you see a WBA fan in the Southbank, thank him for his time
    and effort.
    
    Good Luck Reading and don't forget what Swansea did to yer last season.
    
    
    /GAry 
               
38.826YUPPY::PANESDeep and meaninglessFri Mar 25 1994 12:2811
re last.

  Gary,

  I am sure that the good burghers of Reading will sleep easy knowing
  that you are on hand to help.


  Stuart
  
   
38.827SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Fri Mar 25 1994 12:448
    Re 826
    
    I agree Stuart.  Reading will be one of the safest places to visit
    tomorrow.  
    
    
    
    /GAry
38.828SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Mar 25 1994 12:524
    
       I agree with Gary. There will be no trouble and if anyone seriously 
       believes that Gary will miss West Brom for Reading then they are
       truly sad.  etc.... 
38.829SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Fri Mar 25 1994 12:548
    Re 828
    
    Yeah you've figured it right Stu.  I wouldn't miss the Brom for Reading
    but some people just can't take a joke.
    
    
    
    /Gary
38.830wrong notesfileDBSUK2::GRICEPhil Grice DBS Sustaining EngineeringFri Mar 25 1994 12:585
    A question - what does .825 have to do with football - it reads as if
    it should be placed in the TRIBAL_WARFARE notesfile. Sorry but I can't
    remember the location for that one.
    
    /phil
38.831SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Fri Mar 25 1994 12:596
    Sorry Phil, I was refering to the report in Reading's local paper.
    
    
    I won't be their due to West Brom comitments.
    
    /GAry
38.832SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Mar 25 1994 13:171
       Gary give us your proper views.  We are all interested etc....
38.834SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Fri Mar 25 1994 13:2320
    Re 832
    
    Okay Stuart.  I don't think their will be any trouble.  I think the
    police will deal with any problems well.  I also believe that Reading
    will take the 3 points and the championship but not finish higher than 
    West Brom next season.  I also understand that the Swansea chairman is
    errr marking the cards of their fans who cause trouble tomorrow.  
    
    I hope the game goes ahead peacefully and I won't be upset if Swansea
    win even though I haven't had a bet with Tony Absolom.
    
    More important is the West Brom Vs Derby game.  I reckon a 2-0 win for
    the Baggie boys.
    
    Hugs to yer and all my Welsh friends including Graham who keeps
    smiling at me today after reading .825  He's a secret Swansea fan:-)
     
    
    /GAry
    
38.835SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Mar 25 1994 13:402
         How many fans will Swansea take to the game? I understand that
         Gary's cards marked. Good luck Gary. 
38.836SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Fri Mar 25 1994 13:5513
    Re 835
    
    Swansea will bring 2,000 to 3,000 fans.  They have fair chance of a
    play-off place.  Also Ampadu (ex-West Brom) will be playing for Swansea
    so I wish him well.  It'd be nice to see him get a goal.
    
    West Brom will win 2-0 against Derby.  I'm sure of it.  Mind you I did
    say we'd beat Middlesboro 1-0.  Maybe i'm just sad.  Maybe Albion
    aren't as great as I believe.  My life is over.
    
    
    /GAry
         
38.837SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Fri Mar 25 1994 14:055
    My farewell note is in 177.207  Don't get tearful Stuart Cook.
    
    
    
    /GAry
38.838Three more points?PEKING::ROSECFri Mar 25 1994 17:5012
    What a load of rubbish in this note.  Swansea won't bring anything like
    3000 fans.  Last season was a one off - a lot of those "fans" were not
    followers of Swansea anyway.  They only had 2500ish for their last home
    game.
    
    Talking of other teams fans' joining in tomorrow - I can tell you a
    FACT that a number of WHU fans will be attending the game as a result
    of an incident at the Swansea v Blackpool game (9th Oct).
    
    There will be one winner tomorrow (everywhere), and that's READING.
    
    Let's end this debate  -  Come on you Royals
38.839SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Fri Mar 25 1994 18:0310
    Re 838
    
    If anyone fancies a pint tomorrow morning then i'll be in the Rising
    Sun pub between 10.30 to 11.00.  
    
    As pointed out a bit later Chris, .825 was a little bit of fun. 
    Nothing was meant to be offensive.
    
    
    /GAry
38.840PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURMon Mar 28 1994 12:478
    
    Reading 2 - 1 Swansea
    
    I drove past the away end and noticed that Swansea didn't seem to 
    have many supporters in the away end , and there hasn't been any
    reports of trouble. 
    
    Andy..B
38.841A great weekend!RDGENG::CHALFONTMon Mar 28 1994 16:4218
    Reading's win was obviously a great result coming from behind to win
    with goals by Quinn and Lovell. However, even better news was the fact
    that Stockport, Plymouth and Port Vale all lost. 
    
    As a result, Reading's destiny is once again in their own hands.
    Stockport are 10 points behind with 3 games in hand, Plymouth are 6
    points behind having played the same number of games and Port Vale are
    10 or 11 points (?) behind with 2 games in hand.
    
    This is a very important week with every one playing 3 games. Reading
    probably have the hardest schedule playing York away tomorrow, Bristol
    Rovers at home Saturday and Stockport away on Easter Monday but
    considering our form against teams in the top half of the table we
    should be looking for a minimum of 7 points. We certainly can't afford
    to lose to Stockport.
    
    
    Neil                                                     
38.842SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Mar 28 1994 16:089
    A great game - especially the 2nd half. It could easily have been 4 or
    5 goals for Reading. Back to their roots of earlier this season with
    pin point passing and crafty running. Scott Taylor did a most
    magnificent run,dribbling past 4 or 5 players and only a great save
    stopped him scoring a super goal.
    
    As stated,Plymouth and Stockport lost. So fingers crossed for the 
    remaining 9 or so games.
    
38.843Still on topGVA02::LUANDA::Who?Wed Mar 30 1994 13:0011
	Reading suffered at the hands of York, 1-0 last night. It seems that 
Reading were all out on the attack and Quinn even missed a penalty. Port Vale 
lost but Stockport won, Plymouth play tonight.
	It's not a tragedy, York away was always going to be tough. We have 
Bristol Rovers at home Saturday and the big one away to Stockport on Monday.
If we can get through that still on top, the six remaining games are all 
against teams in the bottom half. 

	I've got a lot of money riding on this.

Andy.
38.844SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Wed Mar 30 1994 13:336
    Tony Absolom owes me a fiver.  I could double my money if WBA beat or
    draw with Charlton.
    
    
    
    /GAry
38.845SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Wed Mar 30 1994 13:504
    Tony is refusing to admit making the bet.  I gutted with the lad!
    
    
    /GAry
38.846Thugs for hire !BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Wed Mar 30 1994 14:0011
    Gary,
    
    If you buy us beers when we get there Jon and I will come around and
    sort him out for you. Jon does an interesting line in accidental
    decapitations in the vicinity (not necessarily immediate) of a
    football.
    
    BTW, are you actually leaving us, or was it just a cunning ploy to get
    people to say nice things about you ?
    
    Jerry.
38.847SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Wed Mar 30 1994 14:037
    Re 846
    
    Thanx Jerry.  I'd be happy to buy you and Jon a couple of pints.  Mind
    you, Tony is very upset at the moment.  
    
    
    /GAry (Leaving tomorrow)
38.848yours, disgustedSUBURB::ABSOLOMTBlack armbands all roundWed Mar 30 1994 14:1826
    
    Let's put this in perspective Gary.
    
    1) We never had a bet, and you (to your shame) know it.
    
    2) Why, as is always the case, if we had a bet weren't the games and
    bet entered into notes?
    
    3) How is it that both Stu Cook and Giles Newth, our close confidantes
    who always know of our bets, were both unaware of the bet? 
    
    4) I didn't even know that WBA had a game this week.
    
    5) Why has it taken until this morning for us to discuss it? We've had
    a few chats since Monday, none of them regarding this `bet'??
    
    6) It wouldn't be, perish the thought, because Reading lost last night
    would it??
    
    
    And finally, being a happy & quick payer of bets, why would I welch on
    a bet??
    
    Tony
    
    
38.849BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonWed Mar 30 1994 14:256
    
    Come on Tony, who are you trying to kid? If Gary Waite says you made a
    bet with him then thats what happened, so stop trying to wriggle out of
    it and pay up!! 8-)
    
    JBG
38.850Don't fret Gary, we've booked our flights ...BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Wed Mar 30 1994 14:327
    Yeah Tony,
    
    I think it's despicable trying to hold out until Gary leaves so that
    you can get away without paying up !!!   You ought to be ashamed of
    yourself ! Pay up now, or face the consequences ;-)
    
    Jerry.
38.851yours, disgustedSUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Wed Mar 30 1994 14:3544
    >>> 1) We never had a bet, and you (to your shame) know it.
    
    I'm certain me and you made a bet Monday morning near Giles desk.  I
    remember saying to you We had Charlton at home.  I wouldn't have
    claimed the money otherwise.
    
    >>> 2) Why, as is always the case, if we had a bet weren't the games and
        bet entered into notes?
    
    Not all the bets we have are entered in here.  
    
    >>> 3) How is it that both Stu Cook and Giles Newth, our close
           confidantes who always know of ours bets, were unaware of 
           this.
    
    They don't always know of our bets unless you go round telling them. 
    Stop blaming other people if you want to welch on a bet just do it but
    don't bring innocent people in on it.
    
    >>> 4) I didn't even know WBA had a game this week.
    
    Yeah right and you call that a reason.
    
    >>> 5) Why has it taken until Monday for us to discuss it? We've had a
    few chats since Monday, none of them regarding the ` bet'??
    
    Errrr, did we chat???  We didn't talk yesterday cos you had customers
    with you all day and unless you dream about me, we had no other way of
    talking.
    
    >>> 6) It wouldn't be, perish the thought, because Reading lost last
    night would it??
    
    Well Tony if Reading had beaton or drawn with York, I'm sure you'd be
    round here claiming your fiver.
    
    >>> And finally, being a happy & quick payer of bets, why would I welch
    on a bet??
    
    I duuno Tony.  Maybe you're suffering from Sun stroke from the Algarve.
    
    
    
    Gary
38.852SUBURB::WAITEGWHO ARE YER???Wed Mar 30 1994 15:037
    Tony Absolom has just sent me a message with him singing Radiohead
    "Creep".  Superb effort and the judges (Stu Cook and 5 others) rated
    the song at an 8 out of 10.
    
    
    
    /GAry
38.853SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Mar 30 1994 17:072
    It reminded me of the late Perry Como.
    
38.854Stop this 'Como'tionGVA02::LUANDA::Who?Wed Mar 30 1994 17:3315
RE: -1 

	Did Perry ever play for Reading ? Didn't he come on loan from K-Tel 
records back in the early seventies, I can't remember.
	If Tony's singing is that good, why doesn't he re-release that 
classic record from Kevin Girdler...

	La la la la la etc. sing for the Royals, la la la la la.

	Please keep the notes to the topic in hand....I'm going to miss 
having to wade through tons of Tony/Gary bet notes just to get some news on 
UR's 8^)

Andy.

38.855SUBURB::WAITEGTONY ABSOLOM DOESN'T PAY BETSWed Mar 30 1994 18:2422
    Re Tony Absolom
    
    I'm going to do you a favour Mr Absolom and forget your sorry excuses
    for the bet.  However I'll bet with you tonight on two matches.  
    
    1st Match
    
    Man Utd V Liverpool
    
    I'll be nice to yer and take Man Utd whilst you have the draw or a
    Liverpool win
    
    2nd Match
    
    West Bromwich Albion V Charlton
    
    I'll be nice to yer and take West Bromwich Albion and the draw and give
    you play-off hopefuls Charlton.  
    
    Let me know what you think.
         
    /GAry
38.856Let's cut out the football talk and stick to personal abuse ;-)BERN01::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Thu Mar 31 1994 13:179
    Re: .854  > Please keep the notes to the topic in hand....
    
    Here, here !!!
    
    So Gary, did Tony cough up on the bet yet ?  The world wants to know !
    
    Jerry.
    
    P.S. What does the "Reading" in the note title refer to ?   ;-)
38.857SUBURB::WAITEGTONY ABSOLOM DOESN'T PAY BETSThu Mar 31 1994 13:3118
    Re 856
    
    >>>  So Gary, did Tony cough up on the bet yet ?
    
    Jerry, I haven't seen him this morning so its hard to say whether I'll
    get the money.  He did agree to the bet as in 38.855 and winning both
    means i'm 10 pounds better off.
         
    For those that don't know...
    
    Man Utd   1      Liverpool   0
    WBA       2      Charlton    0
    
    A fine win for Albion, i'm sure you'll all agree.
    
    
    /GAry
         
38.858Off the subject, but.....ADDULT::ROBERTSONSome days are bouncers that won't let you inThu Mar 31 1994 14:009
Sorry to intrude,

	but there was a useful result for URs last night.

	Plymouth lost 2-1, which means we're still 6 points clear at the top.

	Back to betting

Al
38.859MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Thu Mar 31 1994 14:014
    Its sad really.. one so young supporting WBA! :->
    
    
    Rick.
38.860SUBURB::ABSOLOMTGary Waite, The Shameful TruthThu Mar 31 1994 14:0912
38.861SUBURB::WAITEGI'M A WEIRDOThu Mar 31 1994 14:1016
    More news
    ---------
    
    Tony Absolom has shaken my hand this morning in a fine effort of
    friendship.  I would like also to point out that I HAVEN'T received my
    tenner but I will state that I have full confidence of receiving it. 
    
    Re Al
    
    Don't let it happen again.  No-one cares about Reading in this note:-)
    
    
    
    Hugs,
    
    GAry
38.862SUBURB::WAITEGI'M A WEIRDOThu Mar 31 1994 14:129
    Re 860
    
    I agree about the two massive games.  West Brom play Bristol City away
    but you made a mistake about Monday.  Its Birmingham at The Hawthorns.
    
    No thanks needed Tony,
    
    
    /GAry
38.863MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Thu Mar 31 1994 14:139
    re.862
    
    Send my love to Karen Brady will ya... ;->>>>>>>>>
    
    What a chairperson... definately the kind of women Reading could do
    with! :->
    
    	Rick.
    
38.864SUBURB::WAITEGI'M A WEIRDOThu Mar 31 1994 14:167
    Re 863
    
    I'll even give her one from yer Rick.  :-))))))
    
    
    
    /GAry
38.865SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitThu Mar 31 1994 19:587
    I`ve got my Bristol ticket,so fingers crossed. If we can beat Bristol
    and draw with Stockport,then i`ll be happy.
    
    I don`t want to sound blase' (if that`s the right spelling),but if we
    lose to Stockport it`s hardly the end of the world. Neither Stockport
    or Plymouth are exactly going great guns at the moment.
    
38.866SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitTue Apr 05 1994 17:039
    Reading 2 Bristol 0
    
    Good game on Saturday. What can I say? Reading were the better team
    etc,etc. Water logged pitch on Monday,so the clash against Stockport
    was called off. Plymouth however only managed a draw. 
    
    The quicker we get into the 1st Division the better.
    
    
38.867SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAye KarumbaTue Apr 05 1994 17:087
    
    Everton v Reading or Spurs v Reading. One of them will go down, and a
    cracker of a league fixture it will be for the R's.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.868Jimmy Quinn Quinn QuinnCHEFS::EDINBOROUGHSNo relation to JustinWed Apr 06 1994 13:594
    
    Saw Jimmy Quinn's goal last night on the local news, what a cracker !
    
    Steve.
38.869Whose goal was it anyway.GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyI didn't do it.Wed Apr 06 1994 16:437
 re: -1

	Describe it to those of us who don't get to see it.

	...in the style of ..Andy Gray.


38.870Excitable ScotCHEFS::EDINBOROUGHSNo relation to JustinWed Apr 06 1994 17:5716
    
    Well I'm not too sure about the Andy Gray bit, but here goes in a high
    pitched, out of breath Scottish accent ...
    
    The ball bobbled about in the box and eventually bounced out to I think
    Lovell just outside the box, who directed his cross towards Quinny.
    It wasn't an easy cross to deal with as the ball bounced over Quinnies
    head, but with his back to goal he pivoted on his left foot and rifled
    a scorching shot across goal into the top left.
    Superb goal.
    
    Not very good imitation I know, but I tend to switch off when Mr Gray
    starts waffling on.
    
    Steve.
    
38.871SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Apr 06 1994 17:577
    Sadly,I actually stood there on Saturday screaming "What a gooooall!
    What an unbelieeeeevable gooooalll! Godddddd! WHAT a goal!!" in the
    style of Alan Partridge.
    
    He sort of caught it on a high volley and cracked it into the top of
    the net.
    
38.872SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Apr 08 1994 21:153
    Reading vs Cardiff tomorrow. Then vs Barnet on Tuesday. 6 points
    shouldn`t be a problem. We`ll see.
    
38.873MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Mon Apr 11 1994 12:335
    Oh dear.. only 1-1 ... bang goes Readings best laid plans!! :->
    
    At least Reading scored both of the goals.. :->
    
    Rick.
38.874SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Apr 11 1994 17:4411
    We wuz robbed!
    
    Hit the crossbar,hit the post and 2 blatant penalties which weren`t
    given. A quite appalling referee didn`t help matters. 
    
    A great game,which Reading should have won by a mile,but c`est la vie.
    No great worries still,as we`re still 3 points in front with a game
    in hand.
    
    Barnet away tomorrow night. 
    
38.875ADDULT::ROBERTSONMon Apr 11 1994 17:4410
A victory tomorrow will mean at least a play-off place.

But it isn't going to come to that..... is it!!!???

A victory will probably be a good result.

Barnet have already been relegated, and now have nothing to lose. They managed a
0-0 draw v Stockport at home on Saturday.

Al
38.876Important week!PEKING::ROSECMon Apr 11 1994 17:488
    I'll post a match report in here on Wednesday morning.  I've managed to
    get a ticket for tomorrow.
    Two other important games tomorrow night;
    
    P.Vale v Rotherham
    Swansea v Stockport
    
    Chris
38.877Come on you PilgrimsNEWOA::FLEMING_JMon Apr 11 1994 18:503
    Keep up the draws Reading.
    
    An Argyle fan.
38.878Best of the yearGVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyI didn't do it.Tue Apr 12 1994 12:1914
Div 2 team of the year.

	Saw on Sky last night the PFA player of the year awards where they 
announced the Div.2 team of the year.

	Quinn, Williams and Kerr were all included, + others such as Aspin 
and Taylor (Port Vale) Preece (Stockport), Windass (Hull), Bogie (Orient), 
Castle (Plymouth) and a couple of others I forget.

	They showed a clip of the 'highlights' of Div.2, and all they had was 
Quinn's goal against Orient last year ! Just goes to show how much coverage 
they do.
	

38.879PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURWed Apr 13 1994 12:285
    
    Stuart lovell scored the only goal of the game to give Reading a
    0-1 victory over Barnet.
    
    Andy..B
38.880MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Wed Apr 13 1994 12:343
    Another two wins and you should be get automatic promotion! :->
    
    Rick.
38.881SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAye KarumbaWed Apr 13 1994 13:587
    
    Sadly, jammy old Stockport clinched a 2-1 win at Swansea with a 90th
    minute goal.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.8823 more pointsPEKING::ROSECWed Apr 13 1994 16:3014
    Re last night.
    
    Rubbish ground, atrocious conditions, diabolical pitch, fantastic
    result.
    
    It's not often that the away fans make up half of the total attendance.
    Despite the results coming through from Stockport and P.Vale, there was
    a great atmosphere as the whistle blew at the end.
    
    Lovell scored after being put through by Quinn.  Quinn later had a shot
    that hit the bar and then twice late on Gilkes should have scored.  But
    so what, a good three points.
    
    Chris
38.883SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Apr 18 1994 18:008
    Reading 0 Rotherham 0.
    
    Uninspired end of the season stuff. Both Scott Taylor and Stuart Lovell
    had good chances to score,but were stopped by 2 exceptional saves.
    Rotherham smashed the cross bar with about 6 minutes to go. And that`s
    about it,really. Rotherham were quite content to scramble for the ball
    and hoof it as far away from Reading players as possible. 
    
38.884ADDULT::ROBERTSONMon Apr 18 1994 19:0423
Other results:


Plymouth  0 - 3 Cambridge
L Orient  0 - 0 Stockport
Port Vale 2 - 1 Bournemouth


Top 10
		 P   W   D   L   F   A  Pts	GD	Max Pts

Reading 	42  24  10   8  73  41  82	+32	94	P/Off (At least)
Plymouth	42  22   9  11  73  53  75	+20	87
----------------------------------------------
Port Vale	40  21  10   9  66  41  73	+25	91
Stockport	39  21   9   9  64  37  72	+27	93
York    	42  20  10  12  59  36  70	+23	82
Burnley		42  20   8  14  54  53  68	+1	80
----------------------------------------------
Hull    	43  18  12  13  61  52  66	+9	75
Bristol R	43  19   9  15  55  55  66	0	75
Cambridge	43  18   9  16  67  63  63	+4	72
Bradford	41  17  12  12  54  46  63	+8	78
38.885Language, Timothy....IRNBRU::HOWARDvamos a la playaMon Apr 18 1994 19:0811
38.886Not much longer...GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyI didn't do it.Tue Apr 19 1994 12:3811
RE:-2
	Plymouth look like they've blown it. Big game tonight...Port Vale v 
Stockport, the winner will be the favourite to go up with Reading. A draw 
wouldn't be a bad result for us.

	Then we go to Stockport as week on Thursday, hopefully by then a draw 
could clinch promotion !!

	I reckon 86 points will be enough and 88/89 for the Championship.

Andy.
38.887Bye Vale !PEKING::ROSECWed Apr 20 1994 14:4616
    After Stockport beating Port Vale 2-1 last night, the table is;
    
               PLAYED    PTS   MAX PTS    GOALS    GAMES LEFT
                               AVAIL      SCORED     H   A
    
    READING     42        82     94         73       1   3
    PLYMOUTH    42        75     87         73       1   3
    STOCKPORT   40        75     93         66       3   3
    PORT VALE   41        73     88         67       2   3
    
    Port Vale are at home to York tomorrow.
    
    Reading need a maximum of 2 wins and a draw from 4 games to guarantee
    promotion.  3 wins and a draw would guarantee the Championship.
    
    Chris
38.888MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Wed Apr 20 1994 16:124
    Well from what my landlord was saying.. quite a few fans are travelling
    upto Blackpool for the game.. :->
    
    Rick
38.889M40 , M5 , M6 , M55 ??PEKING::ROSECWed Apr 20 1994 17:399
    RE -1
    
    I think you're right.  Most of the local companies around here have
    hired out all their available mini-buses etc.
    A lot of fans will make a weekend of it, particularly as it's Readings
    last Saturday away game.  I am going, so expect a totally biased report
    as usual on Monday.
    
    
38.890MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Wed Apr 20 1994 17:485
    Well my landlords going up with a load of his mates... I think the only
    time he will be sober will be when he drives up & when he comes back
    down.. from what he's said!:->
    
    Rick.
38.891PEKING::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCWed Apr 20 1994 17:5211
    
    The thing is you cant get in anywhere in Blackpool if there is a few of
    you, Ive been up there a couple of times, when we (THFC) played them in
    the Cup a few years back, and we went on a coach on the Friday night when 
    we played Liverpool about 5 years ago. When you try and get in any
    clubs, or some pubs to that matter, they wont have any of it. You cant 
    even try and slope in in two's.
    
    It might be different now though..?
    
    Dave...
38.892LancashireWOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Apr 20 1994 18:137
    If you are thinking of making a weekend of it you should be aware that
    the nightclubs in Blackpool will not admit groups of lads on a Saturday
    night so half of you need to take your party frocks ! 
     
    Have fun boys,
    
    Andy   
38.893Don't plan to sleep on the beach either !WOTVAX::GREENJAAndy GreenWed Apr 20 1994 18:2214
                                               
    Sorry for the repitition, you are right Dave, its not got much better.
    However although a southern accent doesn't help I can assure you that a
    northern one doesn't either.
    
    You could always drive over to Burnley on Saturday night, I'm sure they 
    would love to meet you (and I can recommend a local solicitor). 
    
    Better still stick around for the Blackburn/QPR game on Sunday night. 
    
    cheers,
    
    Andy
    
38.894aaah, the memories...GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyI didn't do it.Wed Apr 20 1994 19:1314
	I was in Blackpool for the Royals away day last year and 4 of us 
managed to find a B&B. Admittedly it was the 5th door we knocked on and the 
room looked like something out of the Young Ones. But a bed's a bed when 
you're absolutely legless after a 1-0 win to move into the play-off position.

	We seemed to get in the club easily enough, I think it was called 
Paradise or something with a 'P'. Wasn't bad but the local talent was uglier 
than Kevin Dillon, anyway I can't remember much.

	Anyway, here's for a similar result on the pitch and a better looking 
result down the town for whoever's going up.
	

Andy.
38.895glad to helpIRNBRU::HOWARDvamos a la playaWed Apr 20 1994 19:438
>>>I think it was called Paradise or something with a 'P'. 
    
    
    Was it the Palace?...I saw the Sunday Sport Girls doing their thing
    there once....I looked away, of course....
    I fell asleep in the mens toilet afterwards as well, but that's a
    different story....
    Ray
38.896SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAye KarumbaThu Apr 21 1994 15:0110
    
    Someone has just told me that Mike Lewis announced on the All-New, Two
    Ten FM (said in Mike Smash voice) that Genoa were playing at Elm Park
    on May 7th.
    
    Could this be twue??
    
    Tony
    
    
38.897sorry..GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyI didn't do it.Thu Apr 21 1994 16:208
RE:-2
	The Palace - that's the one.

Re:-1	
	Actually, that was Gladys Smith, in concert at Elm Park..
	....d'ya know 'er   8^)

Andy
38.898re-2MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Thu Apr 21 1994 19:573
    Yep.. so he said this morning..... Reading are going to get whipped!
    
    Rick,
38.899Get your tickets quick!PEKING::ROSECFri Apr 22 1994 13:145
    Reading have sold 2200 tickets for the away game at Bournemouth, and
    only have 500 left.  They are asking Bournemouth for a further 1800
    tickets.  All being well, should be a good night out.
    
    
38.900x00SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAye KarumbaFri Apr 22 1994 14:486
    
    Yahoooo!!
    
    Tony
    
    
38.901MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Fri Apr 22 1994 14:543
    When do the tickets for Genoa vs Reading go on sale??
    
    Rick.
38.902ho hoSUBURB::ABSOLOMTAye KarumbaFri Apr 22 1994 18:026
    
    In Reading or Genoa??
    
    Tony
    
    
38.903MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Fri Apr 22 1994 18:206
    Genoa.. :->
    
    I sure don't want to be with the home supporters!! ;->
    
    
    Rick
38.904garbagePEKING::ROSECFri Apr 22 1994 18:565
    I thought we had got rid of all the rubbish in this note.  Who gives a
    toss about the Genoa game - tomorrow (and the 3 league games after) are
    the ONLY important games left this season.
    
    
38.9051st division football. PLEASE!!PEKING::COSSEYNFri Apr 22 1994 19:148
    
    Re:904
    
    Chris,  Absoulutly...
    
    Here's looking forward to 1st division football next season....
    
    Neil..
38.906It's not over yet, though I wish it was....ADDULT::ROBERTSONMon Apr 25 1994 14:5221
A very close game in which Reading shaded it by 4 goals.

Blackpool 0 - Royals 4

Plymouth & Stockport drew

Port Vale didn't play. (However they won 2-1 on Thursday)

               PLAYED    PTS   MAX PTS    GOALS    GAMES LEFT
                               AVAIL      SCORED     H   A

    READING     43        85     94         77       1   2
    PLYMOUTH    43        76     85         74       1   2
    PORT VALE   42        76     88         69       1   3
    STOCKPORT   41        76     91         68       2   3

A win and a draw will Guarantee promotion.

A win and Vale to drop any points will Guarantee promotion.

Looking good..
38.907SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Apr 25 1994 16:516
    What a marvellous result - I didn`t go to the game,but full marks to
    Kerr and Lovell for a couple of cracking goals.
    
    Reading are full of confidence,and I can see no reason as to why we
    can`t go to Stockport and beat them.
    
38.908What a day!!!PEKING::ROSECMon Apr 25 1994 17:3713
    I was lucky, I went.  The second half was complete and utter one-way
    traffic.  Lovell's second goal and Quinn's goal were both excellent -
    as was Kerr's in the first half.
    
    The second half was played exactly how McGhee preaches - passing on the
    deck.  Blackpool had no answer.
    
    The Reading fans gave the players a superb ovation at the end, and I
    think the players realise that they are now in a great position.
    
    Vale and Stockport both play away tomorrow.
    
    Chris
38.909SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAye KarumbaMon Apr 25 1994 19:3814
    
    Super duper picture of that craaazee full-back Dylan Kerr, Jimmy Quinn
    & Jeff Hopkins in todays super soaraway Sun's great`n'groovy goals
    section.
    
    I hear the Reading fans were dancing on the pitch with delight after
    Kerrs goal.
    
    My maths lead me to think, judging by that informative table a couple
    of replies back, that victory over kakky Stockport will win the league.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.910Ooooh.I'm getting excited.GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyI didn't do it.Wed Apr 27 1994 13:5015
	Plymouth, Stockport and Port Vale all won away from home last night.
Stockport's was the best result beating Bradford who are fighting for a 
play-off position.

	This puts extra importance on tomorrow's game. Whatever happens, 
victory at home to Brighton Saturday will see us (bar loads of Port Vale 
goals in the last 3 games) promoted, but a defeat tomorrow will put Stockport 
right back in with a shout of overtaking us. (They are currently 6 points 
behind with a game in hand). A draw will see us nearer, but a victory will 
see us just needing 1 more point for the championship.

	I fancy us nicking a win, as Shaka and Williams had that big donkey 
Kevin Francis all sewn up at Elm Park, and without him, Stockport are crap.

Andy
38.911MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Wed Apr 27 1994 13:543
    Any news on the Reading vs Genoa tickets??
    
    Rick.
38.912UPROAR::HAIGHAWed Apr 27 1994 14:561
    Are you still here?
38.913Almost there!RDGENG::CHALFONTFri Apr 29 1994 12:5115
    Stockport 1     Reading 1
    (Francis 42')   (Gooding 77')
    
    According to 210 and Meridian News, Reading thoroughly deserved the
    draw and could easily have won having two shots cleared off the line in
    the second half.
    
    Plymouth can no longer overtake us and if we win on Saturday and
    Stockport drop a point we will be champions.
    
    I would expect a big crowd Saturday - I'll be getting there early.
    
    
    Neil
        
38.914SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Apr 29 1994 16:143
    It should be a real carnival atmosphere. Especially seeing that we
    should have nice weather.
    
38.915Going up going up going up.....ADDULT::ROBERTSONFri Apr 29 1994 17:0911
Who's going and where do you go??

I've got day pass from the missus so I'll finally get down there this weekend.
Anyone fancy meeting up before/after the game??

I'm not going to make the same mistake as the Stockport Game at Xmas though,
I'll be inside no later the 2pm.

I'll be in the Southbank.

Al (Getting into festive mood already)
38.916party , partyPEKING::ROSECFri Apr 29 1994 17:3111
    I'll be in the Rendevouz at 12 o'clock - this place is normally jammed
    packed, so tomorrow is going to be chaos.  I will also be in the ground
    by 2.00 because there is a fair chance that the gates will be closed
    before kick-off.  
    
    On Radio Berkshire last night, who covered the whole game live, McGhee
    said that he expected a capacity crowd AND many to be locked out.
    
    All in all tomorrow could be a great day.  Come on you R's.
    
    
38.917What's the CapacityNEWOA::BURTONFri Apr 29 1994 18:114
    
    Just out of interest, what is the capacity at Reading these days ?
    
    Nige.
38.918Used to be 27000+PEKING::ROSECFri Apr 29 1994 19:215
    re-1.  It's something like 12000 or 12500.  But that includes 2000 away
    fans - so if there are no away fans, they'll only let around 10000 in
    the ground.  As it happens Brighton have just about sold their
    allocation tomorrow so I would expect the crowd to be around 11 or 12
    thousand.
38.919U R's !!!!!!GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyI didn't do it.Fri Apr 29 1994 20:569
	I only wish I could be there. My heart and soul will be on the South 
Bank tomorrow and I hope the party turns out into a Championship celebration.
I'll be downing a few in Mark McGhees honour, and I'll scour Geneva 
looking for dodgy burgers to remind me of the magical South bank.
	I'll hopefully be back to follow the Royals in our record breaking 
season next year, when we will go for the highest league position in our 
history.

Andy
38.920Made it!!FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingSun May 01 1994 16:5617
	Reading 2 Brighton 0

I only got to Reading games every 2-3 years (too old to stand the excitement), 
but couldn't miss this one. Not one of their best performances, I bet. The 
crowd were quiet and tense, even after a first-half Quinn penalty put them 
ahead. It wasn't until Quinn got the second with a classic header in the 
last minute that the relief poured out, and the South Bank were on the pitch. 

After a short delay, mostly waiting for the police to get off the pitch, we had 
the celebratory last minute before promotion was clinched. By then it was 
almost 5 o'clock and incredibly the announcer didn't know the Stockport score
- didn't anyone up there have a radio? 

Stockport drew, Reading are Division 2 Champions - well done lads.

grahame
38.921Champions!!RDGENG::CHALFONTTue May 03 1994 12:5425
    A great day and I haven't seen scenes like it at Elm Park in the 25
    years I have been going. 
    
    As already mentioned, it wasn't a classic game. Reading seemed to be a
    bit nervous especially at the back where Shaka was as undecisive as
    ever. Adie and he almost came to blows once. However, Quinn scored an
    unstoppable penalty, although the decision was a little dubious in my
    opinion (even having seen it again on television). However, the second
    goal was a Jimmy Quinn classic - there can't be many better headers of
    the ball than Quinn.
    
    Personally, for me one of the highlights was John Madjeski and the
    fellow directors mingling with the crowd in the South Bank before the
    game. Both Madjeski and McGhee have transformed Reading and deserve an
    enormous amount of credit. As I have said before, I always frowned on
    the decision to appoint McGhee manager, but I am glad he has proved me
    wrong. 
    
    It has been great to watch a footballing team outplay the rest of the
    division and I can't wait till next season.
    
    
    Neil
    
    P.S. The Genoa game on Saturday starts at 2.30pm not 3.00pm. 
38.922Division 1 play-offs????SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitTue May 03 1994 16:1711
    A great result.
    
    As a season ticket holding South Bank stalwart who has seen every home
    game this season,it was a real high to finally see Reading clinch
    Division 2 champions. The run onto the pitch was magic.
    
    Not a classic game,as already said. But once the legs are fresh again,
    with Reading`s style of play,there`s no reason to not do really well next
    season.
    
    
38.923MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Tue May 03 1994 16:193
    When will the season tickets go on sale & how much will they cost???
    
    Rick.
38.924CHAMPIONSADDULT::ROBERTSONTue May 03 1994 16:3655
A superb afternoon.

Not a great game, You could feel and see the tension in the side.
They tried to play to their normal style, but the passes went to a red shirt
more ofter the a blue & white hoop.

I couldn't see the penalty decision, but it looked like Foster handballed in the
area. I don't care, we scored, and some of the tension disappeared, for the last
10 minutes of the 1st half, although it was short lived.

1-0 at half time, and I think at that point all 11,840 (maybe closer to 10000
with the Brighton fans) of us felt that The R's would come out after half time
and turn on the style (Like Blackpool & Stockport). How wrong. Within a minute
Brighton could have equalised, and it took Reading about 10-15 minutes to
regather their composure, at which point the game levelled out. Kurt Nogan had
some glorious chances which thankfully he fluffed, and Quinn had a superb free
kick from 25-30 yards tipped over the bar, but they were the only highlights
until...

With about 2-3 minutes to go, the perimeter track started to fill with anxious
supporters waiting for the final whistle pitch invasion. Everyone around the
ground was whistling. Brighton had a couple of corners and the tension was
unbearable, and then Lovell(?) was put through on the right wing, he sent in a
perfect cross from the by-line and our man Quinn was there to nod home. The
relief was too much, and Thousands poured onto the field.

The pitch was finally cleared, and the last seconds played out. The ref
signalled to his linesman by the southbank to run towards him, he started for
the tunnel himself, and then blew his whistle. Within seconds the pitch was
crowded.

I was surprised that the Trophy wasn't presented after the game, as Reading were
the only side that could have won it on Saturday, but there was nothing. My
favourite parts of the after match antics were when:

1)	Before the players came out to salute the crowd, John Madjeski said
something like:

	"The players will come out after we have the other scores so that we'll
know whether or not we've won whatever it is that we've won"

2)	Jimmy Quinn took the microphone and started singing "We are the
Champions". Keep your daytime job Jimmy.

The one player on the R's who had a particularly uninspired game for me was Tom
Jones. I lost count of the number of time he picked the ball up in his own area,
sprinted to the halfway line and stopped, and instead of putting a ball through
to the runners ( Quinn, Lovell & Taylor ) who on 5/6 times would have been clean
through, he waited for averyone to catch up, and passed it back to the defense.
This factor alone could have made the score 4/5-0. McPherson also had a bad game
in defense.

Looking forward to next year

Al
38.925Well done royalsKERNEL::NDAYQuazimodo sang,'It started with a syst'Tue May 03 1994 17:304
Congratulations to all at reading for taking the Division 2 title and all the 
best in Division 1 next season.

Nige
38.926SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAye KarumbaTue May 03 1994 17:3210
    
    Here's hoping that McGhee stays, Madjeski spends and Reading Council
    find a big, easy to get to, ambitious site for our future Premier
    League ground.
    
    Sunburnt, Tilehurst End.
    (I lent someone my card)
    
    
    
38.927WE ARE GOING UP!!PEKING::ROSECTue May 03 1994 18:1231
    A great day - ditto everyone else, plus....
    
    Got to the Spread Eagle at 12.45 and saw fans QUEUEING to get in to the
    ground (45 minutes before the gates opened!!!)
    
    What a pitch invasion after the second goal - and what an incredible
    atmosphere after the goal.  
    
    What has 1994/95 in store?  The squad, more than the team, needs
    additional players.  Certainly Witter from QPR would be useful.
    Some players however have only had one full season playing regularly,
    Hislop, Lovell, Kerr - and these will have all benifitted from the
    season.
    
    Reading have proved that they are the best team in the division this
    season, and their current run of only 11 defeats in the last 65 league
    games is testimony to McGhee and the players.
    
    Thursday night is party night with 4500+ Royals fans going to
    Bournemouth - McGhee is planning to play himself!!  And then Saturday
    it's Genoa - a game at which the Championship trophy will be presented.
    
    I've now seen Reading promoted 5 times, but out of all those games and
    seasons, Saturday takes some beating.  A memorable day and a memorable
    season.
    
    Chris (season-ticket holder 93/94 AND 94/95)
    
    
    
    
38.928McGhee is backPEKING::ROSECWed May 04 1994 12:418
    RE- last one.
    
    My mistake, McGhee is planning to play against Geneo, NOT Bournemouth!
    
    Saw a bit on TV last night, someone in Newbury picked up 4,000 pounds
    for backing Reading to win the league....not bad for a 20 year-old!
    
    
38.929SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAye KarumbaWed May 04 1994 21:217
    
    Jammy little bugger. Mind you, he's not silly, he's not interested in
    25/1 about Reading winning the 1st division.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.930Stop Press: Adi is a boyo.GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyI didn't do it.Thu May 05 1994 15:0312
	Saw on Sky news and double checked on Sky Text last night that Adrian 
Williams of Bracknell origins has been named in the Welsh squad for a 
friendly next week.

	Since when has Adi been a taff (no offence to any sheep likers out 
there) ? Is it his mother, grandmother, pet sheep, or what. Or is it just 
because his surname is Williams.

	Whatever, congratulations to him, and let's hope we can keep hold of 
him, it'll be tougher now.

Andy
38.931BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonThu May 05 1994 17:598
    
    Andy,
    
    	The boys in the Welsh squad for one reason and one reason only.....
    
    	He can sing!   8-)
    
    JBG
38.932FORTY2::FOWLERMDoncaster Rovers NilFri May 06 1994 14:123
I also read on CEEFAX that Shaka has been called up by trinidad.

Mike
38.933football italiaIOSG::TYLDESLEYMon May 09 1994 12:3431
    Reading 1 - Genoa 4 	(attendance: 5050)
    
    Lovely to see this Serie A team play at Elm Park. They looked a class 
    above a tired Reading squad, but it was all played in excellent
    atmosphere with no-one taking it too seriously. The away support seemed
    to consist of the whole staff of the Nino's restaurants in Reading, and
    the Reading support was in good voice.
    
    Reading scored first - I think it was Tom Jones - putting it past a
    helpless Stefano Taccone, from the edge of the box. Shaka had a good
    game denying Tomas Skurahvy (big lad!) a few times, but nothing more of 
    note in the first half.
    
    The second half livened up a bit as Genoa brought on the outstanding
    Marco Nappi, and Reading were soon 2-1 down. McGhee then proceeded to
    make lots of substitutes, and at the end it felt like he had replaced 
    the whole Reading team. The Reading support got into good voice, with
    (I think) 'Golden oldy, Mark McGhee' and Genoa got two more, one a
    simple chip over the replacement goallie. McGhee tried a pass to 
    switch direction of play, but put it straight into touch, to a chorus 
    of approval from the south bank. 
    
    Lots of congratulations all round and swapping of jerseys, as Reading
    celebrated taking the second div championship. Then off on an open-top
    bus round Reading before their trip to Magaluf.
    
    Reading might need to buy a few players before next season. I heard
    Strachan is an old mate of McGhee's? ;-)         
    
    Cheers                                  
    daveT 
38.934BERN01::GOODEJMr DragonMon May 09 1994 12:517
    
    Dave,
    
    	don't think we didn't notice! Could you put in change bars next
    time so we can see which bits to read! 8-)
    
    JBG
38.935change bars (frequently)IOSG::TYLDESLEYMon May 09 1994 13:024
    Well spotted Jon! I got Reading's goalscorer wrong and I deleted the
    bits about what they were planning to do in Magaluf...
    dt
    
38.936When do the season tickets go on sale??? MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Mon May 09 1994 16:589
    Strachan has said he'll stay at Leeds if Howard wants him... they said
    that they'll review the situation at the start of next season and if
    he's fit then he'll sign a 1 year contract... :->
    
    Anyway.. Gordon is the next manager at Leeds... Howard is going to
    step aside in a couple of seasons time & let Strachan take over the
    coaching side of things.. :->
    
    Rick.
38.937MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United : League Champions 1992.Mon May 09 1994 17:046
    P.S. 
    
    If Strachan did sign for Reading.. I'd get your bets on at 25-1 for
    Reading winning the championship! :->
    
    Rick.
38.938Phelan???SHAWB2::STOCKMANSFri May 13 1994 20:237
Hi Folks,

Rumours are abound on the Man.Utd Internet conference that Mike Phelan may be
on his way to Elm Park.
I don't think will go down to well for the Burnley fans!!! Ha ha!

Si
38.939ADDULT::ROBERTSONFri May 13 1994 21:106
I heard that the Elm Park lawn-mower broke down yesterday and he's coming down
to graze until it gets fixed.

:-) :-)

Al
38.940LARVAE::MUNSON_PHuman = Ape + AttitudeMon May 23 1994 18:374
    Ray Wilkins has also been given a free by QPR, he's worth a look by
    Reading.
    
    Munce.
38.941earns too much!!PEKING::ROSECMon May 23 1994 19:224
    One problem with that - the dosh.  Apparently, QPR are letting Wilkins
    go so that they can afford to keep hold of a few other players.
    
    
38.942LARVAE::MUNSON_PHuman = Ape + AttitudeMon May 23 1994 20:296
    re -1
    
    It doesn't hurt to have a look, he may be prepared to lower his wages
    to play for a bigger club than QPR =-).
    
    Munce.
38.943Errr, the must be some mistake hereYUPPY::PATEMANSome Fantastic PlaceTue May 24 1994 12:167
    Another slight problem for you - 
    
    He wants to stay in the Premiership. I think Reading are in the First
    Division. He is talking to Palace and Villa mostly, with Palace
    (according to the papers) favourites.
    
    Paul
38.944Last night. . .FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingTue May 24 1994 16:194
In his first international, Adrian Williams laid on Ian Rush's goal as Wales 
surged back to form, crushing Estonia 2-1.

g
38.945ooooooh Adie, AdieSUBURB::ABSOLOMTAye KarumbaTue May 24 1994 16:206
    
    I see Adie, Adie, Adie, Adie Williams set Wales's winner last night.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.946BSUBURB::ABSOLOMTAye KarumbaTue May 24 1994 16:216
    
    Note clash.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.947FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingTue May 24 1994 16:323
I see you're just as quick OFF the field, Tony!!

g
38.948PEKING::COSSEYNTue Jun 14 1994 20:4120
    
    Any more news on the transfer dealings at Elm Park...The latest I heard
    was:
         Bolton was interested in Shaka Hislop
         West Ham/Arsenal were interested in Adi Williams a million plus..
         And Lovell had stalled on a new contract as it was not good
         enough.
    
    Can anyone give an update on whats happening...
    
    Reading appointed the old Middlesbrough player Gordon Armstrong as
    there new Community liason officer.. 
    
    Also Reading are going to get the go ahead to increase the capcity to 
    14.000.. After ground improvements of course ...
    
    Looking forward to next season.... 
    
    Neil...
    
38.9498 weeks on Saturday!PEKING::ROSECThu Jun 16 1994 17:5716
    Ade Williams has spent a day at both Blackburn and Sheff Utd recently.
    He could well be going - personally I think he should get some
    experience at playing at Div 1 level before jumping into the Prem.
    
    The only other news is the continuing excellent sales figures of Season
    Tickets.  We are not normally reknowned as a club selling many tickets,
    but next season seems to be different.
    
    When you hear of teams like Midd'boro and Wolves spending 1m+ on
    players, and Derby having spent millions on their team - it makes you
    realise the big difference between each division.   Not that I'm
    worried....much.
    
    Chris
    
    Chris
38.950UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnFri Jun 17 1994 17:4310
    >Ade Williams has spent a day at both Blackburn and Sheff Utd recently.
    
    Chris,
    
    Are you sure it was Sheff Utd and not Wednesday. I think Weds were
    interested in Williams earlier and now that Utd are in the First as well I
    can't see that he'd move there anyway.
    
    Paul
    
38.951SUBURB::ABSOLOMTAye KarumbaMon Jun 20 1994 14:157
    
    Williams has turned down a move to Sheff Utd saying that he doesn't
    think it's a step forward. 
    
    Tony
    
    
38.952First league game 94/95 season.KERNEL::WESTThu Jun 23 1994 18:488
    
     Just heard on two-ten-fm at lunchtime that Radings first league
     match next season is away to Wolves.
    
     First visitors to Elm Park will be Portsmouth.
    
    cheers Mark.
    
38.953SUBURB::ABSOLOMTDillydallying and shillyshallyingWed Jun 29 1994 14:5810
38.954McGhee off?FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingWed Jun 29 1994 16:334
According to the paper, McGhee is favourite to take over at Motherwell! So 
much for 'ambitious Reading'?

g
38.955more rumours...SUBURB::ABSOLOMTDillydallying and shillyshallyingWed Jun 29 1994 17:276
    
    Or even Celtic!!
    
    Tony
    
    
38.956more rumours....MARVIN::MORRELLHere comes my baby... walking back to meThu Jun 30 1994 00:034
    
    or even Rangers!!!
    
    Tony
38.957It's an afternoon out !!PEKING::ROSECThu Jun 30 1994 18:2732
    RE - a couple ago.
    
    I don't blame Reading for being unambitious.  McGhee made it clear from
    the start at Reading.  Firstly, he would get Reading promoted within 3
    years and secondly, he regarded this as his FIRST job within
    management.
    
    And how do you measure ambitious?  I wouldn't call Coventry ambitious,
    but they are just about to kick off their 30th consequetive season in
    the top flight (longer run than Man U, Blackburn, Newcastle, Villa,
    Leeds, Spurs to name but a few).
    
    It makes a change for an RFC manager to be wanted by other clubs.  The
    previous five managers during my time watching Reading have all been
    sacked - Mansell, Hurley, Evans, Branfoot, Porterfield.
    
    Quite simply, Reading (and many many other clubs) can not compete with
    the wealthy clubs.  Survival is the name of the game.
    I'm sure that Ade Williams would stay if we could offer more money, but
    we can't...it's simple economics.
    
    I'm a Reading fan through and through, but I realise that, currently,
    the best we  can aim for next season is mid-table.  There are teams in
    Div 1 spending millions at the moment, and we've got 8 players out of
    contract!!  
    
    Despite this, I can't wait for the season to start.  It's bound to be
    exciting whatever.  At least the pitch is ready, re-turfing all done
    and completed!!
    
    Chris
    
38.958SUBURB::ABSOLOMTDillydallying and shillyshallyingThu Jun 30 1994 18:379
    
    Yesterday Reading signed an Australian geezer who used to play for
    Ipswich. McGhee said he would be Reading's first choice right-back.
    
    I think he was free and not playing for anyone.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.959SUBURB::ABSOLOMTDillydallying and shillyshallyingMon Jul 04 1994 14:418
38.960What the ...........?SUBURB::DIRECTSALESWed Jul 06 1994 12:308
    I have just read in that bastion of truth, The Sun Newspaper, that
    Daley Thompson ( yes, that Daley Thompson ), has been signed by Reading
    despite the fact that he hasn't played football for 15 years. He says
    that he is confident of winning a place in the First Team. His progress
    will be filmed by Channel 4. Apparently, he will not be paid, but will
    get bonuses if he scores or contributes to a successful Cup-run. Could
    this mean that we will see him Pole-Vaulting into the Penalty area !!!
    
38.961Another International !!PEKING::ROSECWed Jul 06 1994 19:5214
    You are mostly right.  The Sun implied that Daley Thompson would be
    playing.  Aparently, he has signed - but mostly it's to do with a
    documentary being done by Channel 4.  The chances of him actually
    playing a first team game are remote.
    
    At last...one of the 'contract rebels' has signed.  Shaka has agreed
    new terms with the Royals.  Also, the Australian full-back signed for
    Reading today.
    
    That just leaves Williams, Gooding. Hopkins, Dillon etc etc .....
    
    Chris
    
    
38.962FORTY2::FOWLERMResonate some understandingWed Jul 06 1994 20:103
I read somewhere that Gooding was going to retire.

Mike
38.963FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingThu Jul 07 1994 13:293
Latest on Williams is thathe might be off to West Ham . . .

g
38.96437 days to blast-off!PEKING::ROSECThu Jul 07 1994 17:1427
    Bearing in mind that Wolves v Reading is just 5 weeks Saturday.
    
    Reading - still have 7 players who have not agreed new terms,
            - are unable to field a current side based on players in
              contract with the club,
            - continued speculation over manager McGhee's possible move to
              another club,
            - even more speculation over Ade Williams, probably Reading's
              most valuable player,
            - Close season signings - one.  A full back from Australia.
    
    Wolves  - Are due today to complete their THIRD 1 million pound+
              purchase of the close season.
    
    Worried?.......not me - I don't have to play.
    
    re last couple.  Yes, WHU have AGAIN entered the race for Williams'
    signature. Will probably be sorted out one way or another this week.
    I did read however that Reading have matched the personal terms that
    Coventry have offered Williams.
    
    Gooding has said that he may retire - he's 35 and Reading have offered
    him a one-year contract and he's probably after more.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.965SUBURB::ABSOLOMTDillydallying and shillyshallyingFri Jul 08 1994 17:5010
38.966PEKING::ROSECMon Jul 18 1994 12:2412
    Anybody thinking that the 2 most important games over the weekend were
    in the USA were wrong.  Two Reading XI's played at Leatherhead and
    Witney on Saturday.  Don't know the result from Leatherhead, but it was
    2-2 at Witney.  Reading's goals coming from Quinn and Hartenburger.
    Simon Osborn from C.Palace played for Reading in this game - I assume
    that Reading are just about to sign him.
    
    Also Hopkins and Gooding have agreed new contracts with the club.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.967SUBURB::ABSOLOMTLet them eat fishTue Jul 19 1994 16:416
    Chris, is Uwe expected to be playing this season or will he remain
    firmly in the shadows??
    
    Tony
    
    
38.968Daley scored!IOSG::TYLDESLEYTue Jul 19 1994 18:318
        Re. .966 The score against Leatherhead was a 1-0 win, with 
        Daley Thompson scoring the only goal.
    
        From my point of view I was pleased to see Matt Stowell 
        (ex-Rotherfield Boys!) play a full game at centre back against 
        Witney and get a reasonable review from McGhee.
    
        DaveT
38.969SUBURB::ABSOLOMTLet them eat fishWed Jul 20 1994 17:539
38.970SUBURB::ABSOLOMTLet them eat fishWed Jul 20 1994 18:346
    Stuart, I was specifically interested in his ball control. Also, does
    he dominate in the box?
    
    Tony
    
    
38.971Uwe UwePEKING::ROSECThu Jul 21 1994 12:3414
    RE .967
    
    I think Uwe may have more of a chance this season.  Last season he was
    a bit unlucky...Quinn and Lovell scored 62 goals between them, and they
    only missed 3 games between the two of them.  Surely one will be
    injured or suspended this season, and now that Gray has gone to Orient,
    Uwe is the likely replacement.
    
    No news on Ade Williams yet - whether he stays or goes, I wish it was
    sorted sooner rather than later.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.972News for the underprivileged.GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyOK - You got me....Mon Jul 25 1994 14:174
	Any news from Clive Baskerville ? What's the latest on Williams ?
Has any Premiership teams come in for 'Super Daley' yet ?

Andy
38.973SUBURB::ABSOLOMTLet them eat fishTue Jul 26 1994 15:487
    
    West Ham are still dillydally over whether to buy Williams or not.
    Anyone know whether we've bought Osborn yet?
    
    Tony
    
    
38.974news PEKING::ROSECTue Jul 26 1994 17:3628
    Osborn is currently on tour with C.Palace - I reckon he'll join us, but
    I think Reading are trying to complete a deal with Williams first.  WHU
    are struggling to raise the cash to buy him, and I understand that the
    terms they have offered aren't very good either.
    
    There was a Vice-Presidents meeting at Elm Park last week - some of the
    goss was;
    
    a) All this stuff about 'contract rebels' was mostly crap.  McGhee
    stipulated that all contracts would be reviewed after the close season
    break - one of the criteria was to see what state the players arrived
    back for pre season training.  Hence the fact that most/all appear to
    be fit and ready for the season.
    
    b) Gilkes and Parkinson were the two players apparently impressing in
    training.
    
    c) Work has started on the Town end of the ground to increase the
    capacity be 500.
    
    Finally - Reading's three remaining friendlies are;
    
    Sat 30th  Orient (a)
    Wed  3rd  Barnet (a)
    Sat  6th  Real Sociedad (h)
    
    Chris
    
38.975Dillon walks outRDGENG::CHALFONTTue Aug 02 1994 16:5322
    Kevin Dillon has walked out on Reading according to Ceefax. McGhee had
    agreed to offer Dillon a contract once he had proved his fitness during
    pre-season training following his knee injury. Whilst Dillon has
    apparently done this, McGhee is now saying that he doesn't fit into his
    plans and he can go. I am not sure whether this means he is available
    on a free transfer or not. 
    
    The two remaining players out of contract are Adie Williams and Tom
    Jones. Jones certainly doesn't seem too happy with the money he has
    been offered. Perhaps with Dillon likely to leave, this will present
    more of an opportunity for Jones. However, this will be dependent on
    Reading signing Osborn or perhaps the chap who scored on Saturday.
    
    Does anyone know what the ticket situation is for the Wolves game? I
    had heard that Reading's allocation of 1400 tickets were all snapped up
    by season ticket holders.
    
    Also is the first home game against Portsmouth all ticket? I reckon
    there will be a large crowd whatever.
    
    
    Neil                                         
38.976Turnip 1 Super Royals 2GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyOK - You got me....Tue Aug 02 1994 17:1711
re:-1

	What chap who scored on Saturday ? Any updates, Evening Post titbits, 
etc. welcome. Thanks.

	As for Dillon, at one stage if he had a bad game then so would 
Reading, but as time has gone on we have been less dependant upon him. It 
would be a bad loss, but not a killer. I am surprised McGhee has said that he 
is not in his plans.

Andy
38.977PEKING::ROSECTue Aug 02 1994 17:3412
    Dillon has left today.
    
    There are still some tickets, I believe now on general sale, for the
    Wolves game.
    
    The Portsmouth game is not all ticket.
    
    Reading play Barnet tomorrow night.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.9789 days!!!PEKING::ROSECThu Aug 04 1994 12:3711
    Reading drew 0-0 with Barnet in their penultimate friendly.
    
    Tom Jones agreed a new deal and will be staying after all.  It also
    looks increasingly likely that Ade Williams will stay.  With Jeff
    Hpokins still sidelined through injury, this is all the more important.
    
    100,000 pounds worth of work has started to increase the capacity at
    Elm Park.  The Town End will increase by 500 and, far more importantly,
    an extra 1500 fans will be allowed into the Southbank. 
    
    
38.979Adie updateRDGENG::CHALFONTFri Aug 05 1994 16:5219
38.980Got the PolePEKING::ROSECTue Aug 09 1994 17:2810
    I understand that we have completed the signing of Wdovzyk (sp) from
    Celtic.  This is the Polish international that made a very impressive
    debut on Saturday against Real Sociedad.
    
    If Reading play a back 5 of Bernal, Williams, Wdovzyk, Hopkins and Kerr
    it leaves Kerr as the only one who's not an international!
    
    Chris
    
    
38.981GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyOK - You got me....Tue Aug 09 1994 21:1815
Are things looking good or what.

	IN: Holsgrove (Milwall)
	    Osborn (Palace)
	    Wdovcyk (Celtic)
	    Bernal (Aussieland)
	
	OUT: Gray (Orient)
	     Dillon (Washington Heights)

	Here's to being glued to Radio 5 on Saturday and the shock of the 
season so far.

Andy

38.982Pole vaulterTRUCKS::WARDRTue Aug 09 1994 22:074
    Affectionately known as "Duff-check" by our phonetic noters North of
    the border ..
    
    Ray
38.983Affectionately known as Shuggie around Glasgow wayMASALA::JJACKWed Aug 10 1994 11:224
    
    Proper spelling = Wdowczyk
    
    
38.984Mark mcghee is god !REOELF::MACKENZIEDWed Aug 10 1994 16:536
    In search of some information:
    Do any reading fans out there know when the new kit will be in the shops ?
    Also,are there any tickets left for the up and coming away win at
    wolves?                       
    
    
38.985Div 1 Champs 94/95 ??PEKING::ROSECWed Aug 10 1994 18:189
    I am informed that the new shirts should be in anyday, maybe even this
    week.
    
    There are some tickets left for Wolves game - on general sale now.
    
    Finally, you are correct, Mark McGhee is God.
    
    Chris
    
38.986Mark Mcghee is god !REOELF::MACKENZIEDWed Aug 10 1994 20:028
    Thanks for your answer,just two more questions ! 
    
    Have you seen the new home kit,still hoops ?
    Do you know what the cost will be for the home top ?
    
    There is no god,there is no satan.There is only Reading F.C.
    
    David.
38.9873 days to go.PEKING::ROSECWed Aug 10 1994 21:0811
    The new home kits are virtually the same as the last two seasons - the
    only addition being a splash of red on the collar.  The away strip is
    completely different - all red.  Normal cost of these shirts is around
    25 quid.
    
    Did anybody else see the new guy (Wdowysk) taking a free kick for
    Celtic on TV last night?  He knows what he's doing!!!  
    
    Chris
    
    
38.988World XIRDGENG::CHALFONTWed Aug 10 1994 22:4919
    Hadn't McGhee better be careful buying these foreign players. When we
    qualify for Europe we may have trouble fielding a side!
    
    Hislop - Trinidian
    Bernal - Australian
    Wdowysk - Polish
    Hopkins - Welsh
    Williams - Welsh (but born in Bracknell)
    Quinn - N.Ireland
    Lovell - born in Australia
    
    
    Joking apart, McGhee has made some shrewd signings once again. The
    future looks very promising, especially when many of the squad
    are now in their early twenties.
        
    Neil
    
    
38.989LARVAE::MUNSON_PHuman = Ape + AttitudeThu Aug 11 1994 16:364
    Caught a snippet on TV yesterday, Wolves vs. Reading on TVS, I thought it
    said Sunday afternoon.
    
    Munce.
38.990RIP SwindonREOELF::MACKENZIEDThu Aug 11 1994 17:117
    I hope it is,as i have failed to get a ticket for our first away win
    of the season.
    
    come on you rooooooooooooooyalss
    
    
                                                                     
38.991FORTY2::TEERCarnivorous Planet Eating MonsterThu Aug 11 1994 17:391
Perhaps on Meridian??? ;-)
38.992Mark Mcghee is god !REOELF::MACKENZIEDThu Aug 11 1994 19:218
    Well I've just seen the new Reading home kit.(back of the chronicle)
    I am impressed and will be going out on saturday to purchase it.
    Splashed with red and with a v neck collar,it is bound to even help the 
    ugliest of males pull some birds !! 
    
    yeeehaaaa	
    
    
38.993Mark Mcghee is god !REOELF::MACKENZIEDFri Aug 12 1994 13:4013
    The mighty Reading's first game has been switched to sunday.It is going
    to be live on television.
    Will we get any money from this live covereage ?
    
    On a more sour note,Madjeski is a moaning twatt.He was having a go about 
    the support Reading recevied for there freindly on saturday.I
    personally thought that 2,890 (ish) was bloody good.Espically when you
    consider that half of Reading  are probably sunning it up in Mallorca.
    
    So shut up and spend more money Madjeski ya tight git !
     
    
    
38.9941 day to go .....GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyGeneva SSCFri Aug 12 1994 16:346
RE:-1
	Is that serious about being live on TV ? Can anyone tape it and send 
me the tape ? Will it still be on Radio 5 ? I need to know.....this could be 
a terrible weekend if I don't get my dose of the Royals.

Andy
38.995Newcastle at Reading next seasonFORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingFri Aug 12 1994 20:274
In the Guardian today, they tip Derby to win the Div 1 Championship - and 
Reading to get the play-off spot!

g
38.996Selwyn rattle Royals.GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyGeneva SSCMon Aug 15 1994 12:2313
RE:-1
	Well Grahame, they obviously know what they are talking about.


	First game of the new season: Wolves 1 Reading 0.

	Very disappointing considering the Radio 5 report reckoned that we 
could and should have won, with Quinn and Lovell both missing numerous 
chances. Apparently Wolves never had a shot in the second half. At least we 
outplayed the potential champions - good pointer for next week. 
	Anyone with more local and detailed news ?

Andy
38.997Wembley!!!PEKING::ROSECWed Aug 17 1994 12:5014
    Last night:
    
    Coca-Cola Cup 1st round 1st Leg -
    
    Gillingham 0  Reading 1
    
    Despite reports that Hopkins scored, the radio commentary said it was
    Williams  - with a shot from 15 yards.
    
    The second leg is at Elm Park next Tuesday.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.998SUBURB::ABSOLOMTLet them eat fishWed Aug 17 1994 21:1610
38.999goalscorerPEKING::ROSECThu Aug 18 1994 12:307
    RE last two.
    
    It was Hopkins who scored.  Let's hope he does the same on Saturday.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1000Too slow TonyGVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyGeneva SSCThu Aug 18 1994 12:461
38.10018*)SUBURB::ABSOLOMTLet them eat fishThu Aug 18 1994 15:299
    
    Damn you to the pits of hell Lainsbury!!!
    
    Aah well, I'm sure we'll laugh about it this Saturday at the match. Oh
    no, my mistake, you can't go.
    
    Tony
    
     
38.1002Early days yet.GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyGeneva SSCMon Aug 22 1994 17:465
re:-1
	Yep, 'fraid I missed it Tony. Was it a good game ? 0-0 wasn't it ?

 8^)

38.1003Quinny is back !!!PEKING::ROSECWed Aug 24 1994 12:5116
    Reading  3     Gillingham  0
    
    Reading cruised through to the second round of the Coca-Cola cup last
    night.  Two goals from Jimmy Quinn and one from Archie, all in the
    second half.  McGhee made a couple of team changes.....Hopkins in at
    right back for Bernal and Gilkes in midfield for Scott Taylor.
    Holsgrove came in late in the second half.
    
    Most of Gills efforts were from outside the box and it was difficult to
    see them scoring.  Both Williams and Gilkes hit the bar with efforts.
    
    Reading go into tomorrow mornings second round draw.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1004Here we go again, Bobbin up and down like thisSNOC02::MACKENZIEKThu Aug 25 1994 11:1412
    Who said Quin'ster was past it and has arthritis in his knees? I dont
    care I reckon he is bloody huge, man! 
    
    But, can the Royals do another Simod?? lots of rounds to go still. 
    Come on yeeeee Royaaaaals!
    
    Bring back Hickes, he was so good.....for a laugh.
    
    Reading FAN 89-94 (minutes)
    
    Cook and Abo how ya doing? Still looking gormless in the Southbank???
                                                                         
38.1005Thank God, Leeds avoided Oxford.. :->MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Thu Aug 25 1994 12:145
    Reading are playing Derby in the Coca-Cola Cup.. 
    
    Oxford are playing Oldham...
    
    Rick.
38.1006SUBURB::ABSOLOMTLet them eat fishThu Aug 25 1994 15:116
    McKenzie you spotty speed freak, how are yer? Stop supplying them
    Aussies in the swimming comps.
    
    Tony
    
     
38.1007MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Thu Aug 25 1994 16:494
    Well the guy who is the chairman of Reading is leaving.. or I think
    thats the what was said on the Radio this morning....
    
    Rick.
38.1008SUBURB::ABSOLOMTLet them eat fishThu Aug 25 1994 17:1710
    
    Here's hoping it's boring old Mike Lewis and NOT John Madjeski. Ol'
    Mikey is an old sadcase who does a celeb spot on tuuuuuuutennnnn efffff
    emmmmmm in the mornings. 
    
    Even sadder is the fact that he thinks he is funny.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.1009MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Thu Aug 25 1994 17:193
    Yep its Mike Lewis thats going... :->
    
    Rick.
38.1010Whats the Score?SNOC02::MACKENZIEKMon Aug 29 1994 04:578
    I havent been able to get the results yet. They arent published in OZ
    until tomorrow. 
    
    How did the Blues do on Saturday? Where do they now sit in the league?
    Did the big Daley do any pole vaulting? Anyone with info before I go
    home tonight????
    
    Sad individuals listening to 210FM, do you enjoy listening to adverts?
38.1011KIRKTN::GPIKEMon Aug 29 1994 05:155
    
    
    Reading won 2 - 0..
    
    
38.1012WoodenheadSNOC02::PARSONSDAVIDMon Aug 29 1994 08:413
    re-2
    
    Try reading a newspaper.
38.1013sniffCOMICS::HAWLEYIHappy! Happy! Joy! Joy!Mon Aug 29 1994 13:395
    
    By all reports (admittedly from the HOME end of the ground on Saturday)
    Reading are looking quite a good side.
    
    Ian.
38.1014YesssssssssssssGVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyGeneva SSCMon Aug 29 1994 16:235
Re:-1
	So what's new ?  Has anyone got any details ? All I know is that 
Osborn got the first.

Andy.
38.1015PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURTue Aug 30 1994 13:314
    
    Taylor scored the second in the 90th min...
    
    Andy..B
38.1016a wee winPAKORA::GPIKEWed Aug 31 1994 07:036
    
    
    Tuesday 31st
    
    Reading...........4   Stoke............0
    ???                   x2 players sent off.
38.1017PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURWed Aug 31 1994 12:567
    
    Lovell
    Kerr
    taylor
    Cant remember the last one , but Kerr scored a peach....
    
    Andy..B
38.1018PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURWed Aug 31 1994 12:574
    
    Just remembered... Gilkes got a tap in..
    
    Andy..B
38.1019ruined the game for meSUBURB::ABSOLOMTApples!! Dagnamit!!Wed Aug 31 1994 13:416
    
    Disgraceful refereeing. The new laws to the absolute extreme.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.1020what a plonkerIOSG::TYLDESLEYWed Aug 31 1994 13:537
    re -1 as a ref myself, I was embarassed by last night's performance. 
    The first Stoke sending off was not deserved - he was dismissed for
    dissent which amounted to muttering some things as he walked back from
    the free kick. Any ref who cannot handle that with a quiet warning, 
    does not deserve to be doing League matches.
    I was pleased to see Reading win, but sorry for Stoke City.
    dt
38.1021Stoke stuffedPEKING::ROSECWed Aug 31 1994 16:3313
    Certainly the ref spoiled the game - but Reading's goals were all very
    well taken.  Once Stoke were reduced to nine men they pulled everybody
    behind the ball and attempted to get a draw.
    
    Taking into account Reading's tough start to the season they have
    started very well and it appears (although early days) that Reading are
    not going to be embarrassed at this level.
    
    Good game this Saturday - 5th v 4th  Reading v Millwall.  As there are
    no Prem games I assume that this game is the biggest of the day??
    
    Chris
    
38.1022The reaon whyRDGENG::CHALFONTWed Aug 31 1994 16:3343
    The first Stoke player was sent off for kicking the ball away after
    conceding a free kick. This was his second bookable offence in the eyes
    of the referee. At the time, it seemed a very harsh decision and it was
    only on seeing the match on TV afterwards that it became obvious why
    he had been sent off. At least, the referee was consistent after that
    point because he booked Kerr and Taylor for doing exactly the same
    thing. On the whole, the referee was totally inept and spoilt the game.
    
    Reading certainly would not have won 4-0 but, in my opinion, were the
    better side up until the sendings off. I thought Stoke were a pretty
    poor team consisting mainly of players built like tree trunks.
    
    Some other observations so far this season:
    
    Quinn looks two yards too slow in this division. He will always score
    with his head given the opportunity but, whilst I don't like to say it,
    he looks past his best and will not score half the goals that he did
    last season.
    
    Kerr is also looking vulnerable in defence. He also seems to lack speed
    as Portsmouth proved. His crossing has also been abysmal. Perhaps he
    should just shoot.
    
    If there is a better goalkeeper in the whole Football League, including
    the Premiership, than Shaka Hislop then I would like to see him. His
    performances this season have been brilliant and he has improved his
    ball control, passing and goalkicking beyond recognition.
    
    Adie and Dariusz look very solid in central defence, and the standard
    of their passing, together with Simon Osborn's, is superb.
    
    Michael Gilkes looks to be interested and in good form this season. He
    almost scored with his head last night! When he is on form, he
    certainly adds a different dimension to Reading's game.
    
    All in all, I am very encouraged by our start. However, no game is easy
    this year and with the next four games being against Millwall (H),
    Oldham (A), Swindon (A) and Sheffield United (H) we will have to be at
    our best.
    
    
    Neil 
                                  
38.1023headless chickenTRUCKS::SANTinvoluntary employment?Wed Aug 31 1994 18:228
    
    	How long has Michael Gilkes' head been on the end of his left leg
    	inside a football boot? 8-)
    
    	Come on Neil, it was obvious on tv last night that he side-footed
    	it home. He doesn't have a head.
                                       
    	Andy.
38.1024SUBURB::ABSOLOMTApples!! Dagnamit!!Wed Aug 31 1994 18:518
    
    Erm Andy, he actually said that Gilkes *nearly* scored with a header.
    
    That's a 100 lines & an hours detention.
    
    Tony
    
    
38.1025it's in the detail.TRUCKS::SANTinvoluntary employment?Wed Aug 31 1994 19:534
    	
    	bugger. i must stop drinking at lunchtimes...
    
    	Andy.
38.1026Reading 0 Millwall 0SUBURB::ABSOLOMTApples!! Dagnamit!!Mon Sep 05 1994 21:386
    
    I didn't make the game on Saturday, any chance of a report??
    
    Tony
    
    
38.1027FORTY2::FOWLERMIn Bigshorts We TrustTue Sep 06 1994 14:2326
Despite the scoreline, this was actually a pretty exciting match. It was very
different to anything I saw at Elm Park last season because Reading's short
passing game didn't cut the opponents to shreds. 8-(

Millwall were in general stronger and faster than Reading. Dylan Kerr looked
particularly suspect and perhaps lacks the pace necessary for this division.
Reading should sell him to Donny. 8-) Adie Williams was missing because of poxy
international duty so Wdoczyk (sp) was the mainstay of the defence. Archie
missed a few chances but none as easy as Gilkes' bloomer at the end. Gilkes
played well, Quinn was a bit of a non-entity, Osborn was good, and Gooding I
can't remember if he played. Jones came on near the end but didn't do a lot.
Hislop was outstanding all game and made several great saves.

The main problem is that Reading passed it around a lot but didn't make much
progress towards the Millwall goal. Millwall worked really hard to close the
Reading players down and did a good job of disrupting the Reading game. Lateral
passes by the defenders were intercepted more than once and it didn't do much
for the supporter's heart rate. 8-) Reading also lost everything in the air.

I doubt every team reading meets will be as strong or fast as Millwall, but I
can't see Reading going up on this performance yet.

The team was Hislop, Kerr, Polish bloke, Hopkins, Gooding, Lovell, Gilkes,
Quinn, Osborn, 2 others.

Mike
38.1028New eraPEKING::ROSECTue Sep 06 1994 19:4023
    I too would agree that Reading won't go up this season, but in reality
    that probably wasn't the aim at the start of the season.  Having never
    finished in the top half of this, or its equivalent division, a placing
    this season of top ten would be a great acheivement.
    
    All the more remarkable is to be currently lying in sixth place -
    having played the teams in 5th, 7th, 8th and 10th place!! (and Stoke).
    
    One or two players have been found wanting although others have adapted
    to this division extremely well.  I know that Reading haven't found
    goal scoring as easy as last season but to only concede one goal in the
    first five league games is impressive.
    
    McGhee has built a good team, arguably the best in Reading's history. 
    Certainly better than anything in the 25 years I have followed
    Reading.
    
    Next two games are away to the teams who are currently 3rd and 2nd
    (Oldham and Swindon).  I'd settle for six points!!!!!
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1029..and long may it continue.RDGENG::CHALFONTTue Sep 06 1994 21:5822
    I totally agree, Chris. Although I would love to see Reading in the
    Premier Division, they simply do not have the facilities or the team to
    be there yet. Let's take one step at a time and not get carried away by
    the current league position.
    
    We need to consolidate on a good start but as I have said before, no
    game is easy in this division. If we were to lose the next two or
    three, we would probably find ourselves in the bottom three.
    
    My fear is that success will only lead to Reading becoming more evident
    in the press and on television (this has already begun to happen) and
    consequently our best players become more well known to Premier clubs.
    The danger is that we will then lose Hislop and Williams, and possibly
    McGhee, which will have a detrimental effect on the progress we have
    made to date.
    
    Whatever, let us enjoy our current good form and hope that it long
    continues. I, too, cannot remember a better Reading team in the 25
    years I have been watching them.
    
    Neil
                
38.1030SUBURB::ABSOLOMTApples!! Dagnamit!!Wed Sep 07 1994 14:008
    
    Progress will be but a dream unless we can get an accessible,
    comfortable and much bigger stadium. I say, nuke Smallmead (or DEC
    Park!), and build build build!!
    
    Tony
    
    
38.1031Williams?IOSG::TYLDESLEYThu Sep 08 1994 16:128
    Anyone know how Adrian Williams peformed for Wales last night?
    (I think he got a whole game, didn't he?)
    
    As an aside, I believe Mark McGhee has now banned the whole squad
    (not just the youth) from going to Utopia!
    
    Cheers
    DaveT 
38.1032Ade, Quinny, ShakaPEKING::ROSECThu Sep 08 1994 18:0418
    RE -1
    
    Ade played the whole game at right back - which appears to be his role
    for Wales.  In addition, Jimmy Quinn scored for N.Ireland last night
    and now needs only two goals to equal the record for N.Ireland.
    
    Next Wednesday's game at Swindon is all-ticket.  Tickets are on sale
    now at Elm Park.  We have 2500.
    
    Ineresting to note that our new (reserve ) goalie is ex England Youth
    international and is confident of making it as NO.1 at Reading.
    He also said that that Reading should AT LEAST reach the play-offs!!
    Personally, I think Shaka will be numero uno at Elm Park for as long as
    he stays.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1033Yesssss.GVA02::LUANDA::LainsburyGeneva SSCMon Sep 12 1994 12:584
	Well an amazing result Saturday beating Oldham 3-1 at Boundary Park. 
We are now 2nd !!!! in Division 1 (unless Swindon won yesterday) and I'm 
getting vertigo. Roll on Swindon on Wednesday...then Man U the season 
after...then AC Milan...then Brazil....
38.1034 SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Sep 12 1994 17:146
    A quite excellent result against Oldham.
    
    Reading are still 2nd,as Swindon drew yesterday.
    
    Did anyone go to the game??
    
38.1035FT SHARE INDEXSUBURB::SIMMONDSLLEMON ENTRY MY DEAR WATSONMon Sep 12 1994 20:368
    Stu,
    
    
    My dog went in his army boots and I belive he helped setup Osborne's
    goal!!!
    
    
    Lewis.
38.1036I take it we lostIMAPC::MURRAYPCBU CH System SupportFri Sep 16 1994 21:425
    
    
    So what happened against swindon then???
    
    Paul
38.1037ADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKMon Sep 19 1994 14:2011
We lost 1-0 with a goal in the last 10 minutes.

However, we were back t winning ways on Saturday against Sheffield Utd. Quinn
got the only goal after 61 minutes.

A very good week I think. In 8 days we played the three teams relegated from the
premier last season, and we took 6/9 points, and a still 3rd.

Derby in the Coke cup this week

Al
38.1038Royals 3 - Sheep 1SUBURB::RUTHERFORDIAlan Rough's Greatest SlipsWed Sep 21 1994 15:007
    Great result for Reading last night with a 3-1 win over the Sheep. If
    anyone sees the highlights, lookout for Readings second goal. Its a
    stormer !! Second Leg in 2 weeks time. Did anyone else go last night ?
    
    
    
    Ian.
38.1039Derby "What a waste of money"KERNEL::OFFSY1::WestWed Sep 21 1994 16:4914
       
    I agree about the second goal for goal for Reading. 
    Gilksie showed so much commitment last night.

    I'm not sure wether Derby played badly or we made 
    them look that way, but I did not see one player 
    for Derby that warrented there high price tags.

    Chants of "What a waste of money" echoed round the
    southbank!!!

    Mark

38.1040Stuff the RamsPEKING::ROSECFri Sep 23 1994 21:246
    The second leg has to be played next Wednesday (28th) as Derby have
    some sort of Anglo-Italian cup committment the following week.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1041McGhee's faultRDGENG::CHALFONTTue Sep 27 1994 11:5539
    Watford 2 - Reading 2 (Osborn, Lovell)
    
    A game of two halfs! McGhee, for some reason only he knows, decided to
    change the formation to 3-4-3 with Hopkins, Darius and Adie at the
    back. Dylan Kerr and Archie Lovell were dropped. As a result, Reading
    looked the worse I have seen them for the past year and it was no real
    surprise that Watford went two up by half time. 
    
    Immediately after the break, McGhee reverted to the normal 4-4-2
    formation bringing on Kerr and Lovell and they then played brilliantly
    and could easily have gone on to win, because Holsgrove had a goal
    disallowed immediately after we had equalised. Archie's goal was
    brilliant starting from Reading's own box and following a series of
    accurate passing movements ended with Archie running in from the right
    wing to hit a shot into the top of the net from 20 yards.
    
    In yesterday's Evening Post McGhee admitted that he got his tactics
    wrong and that he thought the more attacking format would result in a
    win. In effect, if we had played in the usual formation from the start,
    I am sure we would have won comfortably.
    
    Personally I thought the midfield were excellent in the second half.
    Gooding worked hard throughout the match as he always does, Osborn is a
    very shrewd buy (he has now scored 3 goals all from outside the box)
    and Holsgrove was also excellent on Saturday. Parkinson will find it
    hard getting back into the side when he is fully fit.
    
    Quinn again looked out of sorts, although he wasn't helped in the first
    half by the change in formation and the absence of Lovell beside him.
    
    Can anyone tell me why we perservere with Scott Taylor? He is by far
    the worst player in the squad. 
    
    Notts County at home on Saturday.
    
    
    
    Neil
                                              
38.1042mickey mouse cup anywayPEKING::ROSECThu Sep 29 1994 13:0620
    Last night.  Derby 2 Reading 0  - Derby go through to round 3 on the
    away goals rule.  Derby's second goal was scored with 7 minutes of
    normal time remaining.
    
    This is the first time for exactly a year that Reading have conceded
    two goals in consequetive games.
    
    Radio Berkshire provided excellent coverage of last nights game,
    although during the commentary it sometimes became difficult as to what
    team had the ball as both teams had a Taylor and a Williams playing for
    them.
    
    Reading's best spell was early in the second half when they forced 5
    corners in quick succession and also hit the bar.  Gilkes was missing
    through injury and Wdowczyk was suspended.
    
    We are at hometo Notts County on Saturday.
    
    Chris
    
38.1043Reading 2 Notts County 0PIECES::MRSAD::chalfontPlace holder for NOTESThu Oct 06 1994 16:0225
Reading 2 Notts County 0

Not a particularly good game with Reading not playing with their usual 
fluent passing style. Having said that, when they did they scored. The 
first came after 27 minutes when some good midfield passing released Gilkes 
to cross for Lovell to head home from 8 yards.

The second came in the 88 minute from Uwe Hartenberger following a 15 
minute break for a fire alarm. Apparently some chap in his 70s had put his 
lighted pipe in his coat pocket and the resultant burning smell prompted a 
full evacuation of the whole stand!!

It now looks like Uwe will get an extended run in the team since Lovell 
badly tore a hamstring in the last minute and is likely to be out of the 
team for 6 weeks. This has probably saved Jimmy Quinn from being dropped 
because he was useless on Saturday and was replaced by Uwe. Now he will 
probably retain his place.

Our injury list is beginning to grow and the lack of strength in depth may 
begin to show in the coming weeks. McGhee may well take a player on loan. 

Tough game on Saturday away to Charlton.


Neil 
38.1044Another great win!PIECES::MRSAD::chalfontPlace holder for NOTESMon Oct 10 1994 11:5016
Charlton 1 Reading 2

Another excellent win keeping us in third place behind Wolves and 
Middlesbrough who both lost.

Reading scored in the fifth minute with a superb volley from Simon Osborn - 
his fourth goal of the season all from outside the box. Charlton equalised 
about 15 minutes into the second half but Reading scored again four minutes 
later through Gilkes. 

After that, Shaka made a magnificent point blank save to keep out a Whyte 
header. Reading tried to play Charlton offside but Bernal kept Whyte onside 
and from five yards out had a free header only for Shaka to save 
one-hander. Absolutely brilliant.

Neil
38.1045Am I dreaming!PEKING::ROSECMon Oct 10 1994 15:2124
    Some of things being said;
    
    Roy McFarland (Derby manager) - "Reading will be top five at the end of
    the season"
    
    Glenn Roeder (Watford manager) - "Reading are like a breath of fresh
    air in this division"
    
    Alan Curbishlely (Charlton manager) - "Away from home Reading fight
    until they drop"
    
    Wolves fans at Paddington on Saturday were saying that they regard
    their win over us as their best result of the season.
    
    When you consider that we have played three of the other top six clubs
    AWAY it makes you realise all the more unbelievable start we have had.
    Certainly the form of Shaka, Ade Williams and Simon Osborn has helped
    enormously.
    At the moment, following Reading is brilliant.  We may finish first, we
    may finish fifth, we may finish bottom - at the moment I'm just
    enjoying every minute.  Long may it continue.
    
    UR's
     
38.1046Ticket InfoCHEFS::STRATFORDSMon Oct 10 1994 15:594
    Is the match against Middlesbro' next month all ticket?
    
    How do I get them and what are the prices?
      
38.1047SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Oct 10 1994 16:0810
    The Daily Telegraph said Shaka Hislop`s save against Charlton`s David
    Whyte "evoked memories Pele versus Banks in 1970". ho!ho! A glowing
    report ensued.
    
    I must admit I take the rather casual attitude that if they continue
    to win,fine,and if they don`t then as long as they don`t go down then
    that`s ok n`all. 
    
    Though a Wembley play off Final would be incredible...
     
38.1048PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURMon Oct 17 1994 10:5713
    
    After watching Quinn on saturday I think it may be time for his
    departure from Reading, he looks out of his depth at this level.
    Both sides for 90 minutes looked incapable of scoring anything, Reading
    played some nice football in the middle of the park but then seemed
    to lose all idea. If Reading are to carry on at the top in this
    league, they must find a front player to sign or loan. Reading decided
    the game in the 90th minute when Gilkes scored from close range after
    playing a one,two with Quinn. Reading now go second behind Wolves 
    after Middlesborough lost 5-1 to Luton. Next Week Middlesborough
    play wolves while Reading are back at Elm park against Sunderland..
    
    Andy..B
38.1049PIECES::MRSAD::chalfontPlace holder for NOTESMon Oct 17 1994 15:5529
I agree Andy. When Quinn does get the ball he always goes backwards, but 
then I would say Reading are a bit prone to this as a team at present. They 
seem to be more concerned with possession at all costs and are not creating 
as many chances as they were both last season or in the first few games of 
this.

Every member of the team is very comfortable on the ball and that includes 
Shaka, who even dummied the centre-forward on Saturday before clearing. 
Adie and Darius always seem to have so much time but they often appear to 
be too casual. It certainly could be a dangerous game and Reading were 
lucky not to get caught out once or twice on Saturday.

Overall it wasn't a great game but Reading continue to win, although they 
are not playing as well as they can, certainly at home. Still if we 
continue to win when we are not playing well, then goodness knows what will 
happen when we do!

Both Hartenberger and Holsgrove went off in the first half with what looked 
like bad muscle injuries. With Hopkins and Lovell both out for a month and 
these injuries as well, Reading's playing resources will be stretched to 
the limit. Mick Murphy, a 17 year old who has just signed as a 
professional, replaced Hartenberger and did pretty well but Quinn and 
Murphy are not going to threaten too many defences. Time for a loan signing 
I think.

Can anyone confirm that the match against WBA in a fortnights time has been 
moved to Sunday for live TV coverage?

Neil
38.1050PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURMon Oct 17 1994 16:104
    
    Holsgrove will be out for 6 weeks with a hairline fracture....
    
    Andy..B
38.1051PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURMon Oct 24 1994 17:145
    
    Anyone know Reading's fixture list up until Christmas..?
    
    Andy..B
    
38.1052fixturesIOSG::HARDIEIn a world where the sun burns cold !Mon Oct 24 1994 18:0217
    OCT
    Sat 29	WBA			Away
    
    NOV
    Wed  2	Derby			Away
    Sat  5   	Burnley			Home
    Sat 12	Middlesborough		Home
    Sat 19	Southend		Away
    Sat 26	Tranmere		Home
    
    DEC
    Sat  3	Sunderland		Away
    Sat 10	Portsmouth		Away
    Sat 17	Wolverhampton		Home
    Mon 26	Luton			Home
    Tue 27	Port Vale		Away
    Sat 31	Grimsby			Home
38.1053UTRTSC::WARDTue Oct 25 1994 12:103
    Last Sat. results please ??
    
    Ta - Ray
38.1054Reading 0 - 2 SunderlandGENIE::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Tue Oct 25 1994 13:060
38.1055Not surprising reallyPIECES::63532::chalfontPlace holder for NOTESTue Oct 25 1994 16:1825
Reading deservedly lost on Saturday against a Sunderland team who were more 
determined and attacked minded than any other team to have visited Elm Park 
this season. It was certainly Reading's worst performance of the season, 
but to be honest the result was not unexpected considering the team's 
recent home performances. Once faced with decent opposition (which Notts 
County and Bristol City weren't) it has been obvious that Reading on recent 
form would struggle. 

Admittedly Reading have their injury problems and having a small squad only 
highlights the lack of depth within the squad at this level, but Reading 
are not playing well. The normal flowing passing game has disappeared and 
the lack of fire power up front is very worrying. Reading didn't have a 
shot on target on Saturday. McGhee needs to bring in one or two forward 
players before the weekend.

The division is so tight that although Reading remain in second place, a 
couple more defeats could see them in the lower half of the table. On their 
day Reading can live with anyone in the division, but the lack of depth in 
the squad means that they can also look like relegation prospects.

The next two games are both away against WBA and Derby, so Reading really 
need to pick up four points to maintain their position. 


Neil
38.1056WHAT..NO TOP!!WELCLU::FOSTERTue Oct 25 1994 21:1521
    I was a visitor at Elm Park on Saturday, I was soked, happy with the
    result, but disappointed with the coke!!
    
    Coke !! After waiting for fifteen minutes for a cheeseburger and
    bottle of coke (only three quid), I was disappointed to be given a coke
    bottle without a top on it!! Is this common practice in Reading? I ate
    my cheeseburger drank half a bottle of coke and had a cigarette. After
    three puffs on my fag it went out so I went back to my coke only to
    find it was almost full again!! Watered down coke is a common practice
    in most grounds, but coke watered down with rain water is a new one on
    me. Surely the police or Reading Football Club do not think that if we
    were given a coke with a top on it we would throw it at someone after
    paying a quid for it!! 
    
    If you had an umbrela and were a Sunderland supporter it was taken from
    you and you had to collect it after the game. Do they do this to
    Reading supporters? Do they search you before you enter the ground and
    then again once you're in the ground? Seems like those coppers do a
    great job to me. 
    
    John.
38.1057SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitThu Oct 27 1994 16:0110
    Taking the top off the coke bottle is standard practise in Elm Park.
    After all,you might have someone`s eye out (or so my mum says).
    
    As for the umbrella,i`ve taken mine in plenty of times with no problem.
    
    I`ll be going along to the W.B.A game along with ex footy noter Gary Waite.
    
    I hope Reading fans will learn a lesson from W.B.A fans as to how to
    behave properly.
    
38.1058SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Oct 31 1994 17:0119
    W.B.A 2  Reading 0
    
    Not a particularly inspired performance from Reading,I must say. In
    desperation,Tom Jones was up front with Hartenberger. Gilkes was sent
    off for punching a West Brom player in the face,and from that point
    on West Brom dominated.
    
    West Bromich were very good for a team who are 2nd from bottom,and
    deserved to win.
    
    Reading are still 4th,but away to Derby in the week,and 2 weeks on
    Saturday,are home to Middlesborough. 
    
    Still,never mind. After the startling start to the season,it was 
    inevitable they would start to slip. I`m sure a reserve team would
    help the situation.
    
    
    
38.1059The report we're still waiting forFORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingTue Nov 01 1994 15:261
But what did Gary Waite have to eat before and after the game?!
38.1060helpPEKING::ROSECTue Nov 01 1994 17:5239
    A common criticism of Reading, particularly at the moment, is the
    apparent small squad.  Amazingly, the squad of full professionals is
    actually 24, it's just that;
    
    Bass - out for the season
    Barkus - out for the season (only played once in last 18 months)
    Quinn - out until Christmas
    Lovell - still out injured
    Osborn - cracked bone in shin
    Holsgrove - broken leg
    Hopkins - just back from injury (not 100% fit)
    Gilkes - suspension looming
    Williams - likely to miss home games v M'boro and Wolves due to Wales
    Jones - on transfer list
    McPherson - on transfer list
    Ranson - long term injury
    Hartenburger - just back from injury (not 100% fit)
    
    this leaves 11;
    
    2 goalies
    2 17 year-olds (not one full appearance between them)
    Lambert (played once in last 18 months)
    3 backs
    3 midfielders (2 of which, Parky and Gooding, are carrying knocks)
    
    tomorrow we play Derby away.  Anything less than a massive tonking must
    be looked upon as a good result.
    
    Unfortunately it means that Reading's superb start to the season (have
    been in top five since end of August) has ended.
    
    Division 1 is incredibly close with only 5 points covering the 15
    places from 5th to 20th.
    
    If only we had a fully fit squad.....
    
    Chris
    
38.1061Are you ManU in disguise?CHEFS::STRATFORDSTue Nov 01 1994 18:414
    The last note makes this seem like a ManU topic with all the excuses in
    here 8-)
    
    Stuart
38.1062GENIE::BOLGERJerry Bolger.Tue Nov 01 1994 18:548
    I believe Mr. Ferguson is considering signing some of the Reading
    players who are out with long-term injuries. This is apparently a
    response to Chelsea having a longer injury list (read better excuses)
    than us ;-)
    
    Who said he's not a masterful tactician ?
    
    Jerry.
38.1063SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Nov 02 1994 16:048
    It was a poor effort by Gary Waite in the food department.
    
    He started off with 2 pieces of toast for breakfast,(and declined a 
    McDonalds breakfast with myself `cos he`d just cleaned his teeth).
    
    Inside the Hawthorns he had a beefburger and a cup of bovril - and
    that was it until he got home for tea.
    
38.1064PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURThu Nov 03 1994 11:126
    
    Derby 1  -  Reading 2
    
    What a great result for the royals, Gilkes scored one of them....
    
    Andy..B
38.1065Derby rammed !PEKING::ROSECThu Nov 03 1994 11:4121
    ....and Scott Taylor the other.
    
    Reading played without Quinn, Lovell or Hartenburger.  The front two
    were Taylor and Gilkes.  With Williams also missing through injury,
    Gooding was made captain for the night.
    
    Top of the table is;
    
    		pl pts
    Wolves     15  31
    M'boro     15  30
    Tranmere   15  27
    Reading    15  27
    Bolton     15  23
    Southend   15  22
    
    Home to Burnley on Saturday
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1066SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitThu Nov 03 1994 15:552
    Suprising result. Good to see Swindon have slipped into obscurity.
    
38.1067PEKING::ROSECThu Nov 03 1994 16:495
    RE -1
    
    Yeah, shame that!!!
    
    
38.1068PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURSun Nov 06 1994 11:5813
    
    Reading 0 - 0 Burnley
    ATT::8,150
    
     Reading face a trip to the F.A after a fan run on the pitch to
    confront the ref in the closing minutes of the game. The ref sent
    off Reading defender Andy Bernal for his second bookable offence
    of the game which left Burnley's Chris Vinnicombe with a fractured
    jaw. Reading climb back into third after defeats for Middlesborough 
    and Wolves....
    
    Andy..B
    
38.1069Quinny to return?PEKING::ROSECMon Nov 07 1994 16:0714
    Tranmere drew 0-0 with Oldham yesterday, so Reading are now fourth.
    
    Next Saturday's game with Middlesboro is off due to international
    commitments.  Ade Williams is in the Welsh squad and Quinn is in the
    N.Ireland squad announced today.
    
    By the time we next play (away to Southend on the 19th), Lovell, Quinn
    and Williams should all be back from injury.
    
    I am surprised that Southend have not made the game all ticket....they
    had better have a big away end!
    
    Chris
    
38.1070PEKING::ROSECTue Nov 08 1994 11:374
    The Middlesboro home game has been re-arranged for Tuesday 6th
    December.
    
    
38.1071Latest newsPIECES::43258::chalfontPlace holder for NOTESThu Nov 10 1994 16:5826
The game against Wolves originally scheduled for Saturday 17th December has 
been moved to Sunday 18th for TV coverage.

A friendly has also been organised for tomorrow (Friday 11th) against 
Tottenham at Elm Park, 7.45. Tottenham will apparently field their first 
team with the exception of players called up for next week's internationals 
(i.e Klinnsmann).

Personally I don't see the point of arranging this friendly, except 
possibly to make money. With all the injuries we currently have why risk 
picking up more. Even the fit players would probably be grateful for a week 
off.

I read in the Telegraph yesterday that Reading were on the verge of signing 
Lee Chapman!! However, McGhee has denied this, thankfully. Signing Chapman 
would put a major blot on what up until now has been McGhee's forte - 
making excellent signings (Osborn, Parkinson, Darius D et al).

On 210 this morning, McGhee was questioned as to why he hadn't as yet 
bought a player either permanently or on loan considering the injury list. 
He responded by saying that no-one that he is interested in buying is 
currently available (although he didn't name anyone) and he was not going 
to buy just anyone. He only wants players who will strengthen the squad 
long term. Chapman certainly doesn't meet this criterion.

Neil 
38.1072greetings from note 58.*....IRNBRU::HOWARDJune18-94, the Italian JobMon Nov 14 1994 13:425
    Mark McGhee is being touted as a candidate for the QPR job. Is it
    because you play in blue and white hoops as well?...I'd rather have BFR
    or Mike Walker....mroe news as and when it comes....
    
    Ray....
38.1073Hands OffPEKING::ROSECMon Nov 14 1994 15:254
    From a Reading fan's point of view - WE'D rather you have one of those
    others you mentioned!
    
    
38.1074Injuries and SuspensionsPIECES::43258::chalfontPlace holder for NOTESWed Nov 16 1994 16:0416
The game against Wolves on Sunday 18th December has been made all ticket 
and these have gone on sale today. Reading are anticipating a full house of 
approx 14,000.

On the injury front, Archie Lovell pulled up during the Tottenham game and 
now won't be available on Saturday against Southend. Both Quinn and 
Williams withdrew from their international squads due to their injuries.

On the suspension front, Gilkes starts a three match ban on Saturday as 
does Parkinson for accumulating 21 points. Also Bernal misses the game due 
to his one match suspension. With the injuries to key players, the last 
thing that we need is for other key players to be missing through 
suspension. Mind you every time I watch Reading, Parkinson gets booked so 
his suspension is no real surprise. Williams will be next.

Neil 
38.1075IRNBRU::HOWARDJune18-94, the Italian JobThu Nov 17 1994 13:094
    rumours from North of the border....Reading are interested in
    Aberdeen's winger, Joe Miller, I don't know the asking price....
    
    Ray....
38.1076200K I think !!!PAKORA::GMCDONALDWe live in CELL block,TThu Nov 17 1994 14:061
    
38.1077PEKING::ROSECThu Nov 17 1994 14:337
    RE last two.
    
    Thanks.  It's no secret here that Reading are looking to add to their
    depleted squad.  One minor stumbling block - I think Reading were after
    a freebie rather than spending 200k.  We shall see.
    
    
38.1078KIRKTN::AGRAYI've had a worse year than the Queen!Fri Nov 18 1994 00:104
    
    
    They should ask for MoJo from Hearts, i'm pretty sure they'd want
    him to leave.
38.1079Southend 4 Reading 1PIECES::43258::chalfontPlace holder for NOTESMon Nov 21 1994 15:2323
Reading 1 Southend 4

A very disappointing result considering we were the better team! Reading must have had 70% of the 
possession but a combination of a dubious penalty decision and two defensive errors resulted in 
three goals. The fourth came in the 3rd minute of injury time.

Reading will play a lot worse and win. Southend didn't look a good side, except for Ricky Otto 
and the left fullback. 

Jimmy Quinn looked more like his old self in the first half, although he seemed to tire in the 
second half. His goal was certainly a reminder of last season's form.

Reading supporters probably accounted for nearly 50% of the crowd and I have never been to a game 
where the home fans were so quiet. 

The current injury list and suspensions certainly are beginning to take their toll. Half of the 
team who were playing in the good early season run are currently missing and it certainly shows. 
With the division being so tight, we need Lovell, Gilkes, Parkinson, Williams and Holsgrove back 
asap. Until this happens, I fear we may struggle to maintain our current position, certainly with 
Tranmere, Sunderland, Middlesbrough, Portsmouth and Wolves all to play between now and Christmas.


Neil
38.1080Gooding what a PRATT! Challenge on Keeper!PEKING::SHALLOMANORA MOLLAHS!Mon Nov 21 1994 16:021
    
38.1081Southend UtdAYOV27::FW_TEMP01John Hussey - Exiled in jocko landMon Nov 21 1994 16:1812
Guess it's time to come out of the closet - Yes, I am a Shrimpers fan and
have been since I was a wee babe (I've even seen Peter Taylor playing for
them before he went to the Eagles).

Obviously, Reading haven't got too much support - only 50%. Sounds like a good
ratio for the Blues!

But as for the score, 4-1 and Reading the better team?  Shorely Shome mishtak:-)


PS. Has 'Five Chins' Whelan gone back to Liverpool or is he injured (for a 
change) ?
38.1082Roll callPEKING::ROSECWed Nov 23 1994 12:0918
    Latest;
    
    Of the seven players we have been missing -
    
    Quinn - appears to be OK
    Bernal - finished suspension, is available for Tranmere on Saturday
    Gilkes - will miss Tranmere and Sunderland games.  Available for M'boro
    Parkinson - same as Gilkes
    Lovell - should be OK for Sunderland game, although may be risked on
    Saturday if we fail to land another loan player.
    Williams and Holsgrove - who knows....will probably be Xmas before
    either plays again.  If Williams is fit, he'll probably miss the
    Portsmouth game through International call-up anyway.
    
    In the last 5 games we have picked up 4 points.  It's difficult to see
    us getting more than 4 points in the next 5 games.
    
    Chris
38.1083Latest newsPGREEN::CHALFONTTue Dec 06 1994 11:4926
38.1084FORTY2::FOWLERMSammy Chung's Scarlet ArmyTue Dec 06 1994 13:113
Hasn't Shaka already been capped for trinidad?

Mike
38.1085Who's he then?EXPDEC::JHUSSEYJohn Hussey - Exiled in jocko landTue Dec 06 1994 13:152
For us thickoes who follow other minot Endsleigh 1st Div sides (Southend)
who's Shaka?
38.1086He's the ball boy - Mark McGhee just likes putting him between the postsADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKTue Dec 06 1994 13:5011
38.1083>  but from all reports Shaka was the real hero making a string of superb
38.1083>  saves.

He's our centre forward ;-)

Shaka Hislop - The world's greatest ever goalkeeper ( Rose tinted glasses?? me!!
NEVER - Who are those men in the white coats???)

p.s. Reading are at home to Oldham in the LPSFA Cup 3rd Round

Al
38.1087Yes, Yes I know thatEXPDEC::JHUSSEYJohn Hussey - Exiled in jocko landTue Dec 06 1994 14:544
Anymore info - you know the stuff. Birth date/place, favourite meal/nightclub/
model, who's he s**gging, is she pretty, has she got a sister (whoops sorry
switch to non-sexist mode :-) )

38.1088Old pals act...AYOV29::DUTY93_MALCNoggin the NogTue Dec 06 1994 15:0410
    
    	Also how's old Darius (aka Shuggie) playing these days ?
    
    	I don't know how much you paid for him but it wasn't enough.
    
    	Malc.
    
    	PS Have you guys got someone working down there called Ken Lee ? He's
    	an old friend who I've lost touch with since moving from Aberdeen.
    
38.1089Don't Go MMADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKThu Dec 08 1994 17:3411
On CEEFAX last night there was speculation that MM could be manager of Leicester
City by the end of today.

Does anyone have any details. Apparently Leicester are after Mr X. (The name
escapes me at the mo.) but if it falls through then they want MM

I personally don't think that it would be a good move, as Leicester look odds on
for the drop, and as he has only been a manager for 2-3 years he might not have
what it takes (yet) to pull them out of the myre.

Al
38.1090bassett 'hounded' by Leicester (har har :-)COMICS::HAWLEYIYou ain't seen me...roit?!Thu Dec 08 1994 17:364
    
    The other name-in-the-frame is Dave Bassett the SHeff Utd manager.
    
    Ian.
38.1091Don't worry too much..UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnThu Dec 08 1994 17:4314
    Report in the paper this morning said Leicester were after 'Arry Basset
    from t'Blades. If that fell through they were wanting to talk to
    McGhee. The chairmen of both clubs seemed to think that it was
    pointless trying to keep a manager who wants to go to another club.
    
    I think Basset may have a lpng look at the job because of the
    instability at the cllub caused by Reg Brearley (Uncle Reg to us Owls
    supporters) selling the club. A new chairman may want a new manager.
    
    One thing that's puzzling is that the managerial styles of the two
    choices are like chalk and cheese.
    
    Paul.
    
38.1092AYOV29::DUTY93_MALCNoggin the NogThu Dec 08 1994 17:579
    
    	There was some speculation up here about MM being offered the
    Aberdeen job when (rather than if) Willie Miller gets the bullet.
    
    	However I don't reckon it's much more than newspaper speculation (at
    the moment).
    
    Malc.
    
38.1093Don't do MarkPGREEN::CHALFONTThu Dec 08 1994 18:4215
    Personally, I don't believe Mark McGhee will take the Leicester job. I
    don't think he has much to gain by moving except money and I
    wouldn't be surprised if Reading matched Leicester's offer (within reason).
    
    However, the opportunity to become Aberdeen's manager may be a lot more
    tempting to McGhee. As a Scot and a former Aberdeen player, the chance
    to return there may be too tempting. With Aberdeen in their current
    predicament, the opportunity may not be that far away.
    
    I for one would hate to see him go. He has done more for Reading in the
    past 3 years than all the other managers put together over the last 25
    years that I have been following them.
     
    
    Neil
38.1094Mickey Mouse for Leicester !!XSTACY::PHAYDENFri Dec 09 1994 13:390
38.1095It's getting worseFORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingFri Dec 09 1994 15:458
Latest on Ceefax is that Bassett has said he's not interested (good news for 
Leicester I think!), so it's up to MM if he wants it.

I don't see why he should go - I'm sure Reading have the potential to be as 
big as Leicester have ever been. McGhee should stay and finish what he's 
started.

g
38.1096TUXEDO::HINXMANSupport your local restaurateurFri Dec 09 1994 19:298
	re .1095

> I don't see why he should go - I'm sure Reading have the potential to be as 
> big as Leicester have ever been

	So, when can we expect to see Reading in the F.A. Cup Final?

	Tony
38.1097FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingMon Dec 12 1994 15:417
>	So, when can we expect to see Reading in the F.A. Cup Final?
>
>	Tony

I'll let a Reading fan answer that!

g
38.1098McGhee is staying!!PGREEN::CHALFONTWed Dec 14 1994 17:5610
    Mark McGhee is staying at Reading. He has been offered improved terms
    and accepted.
    
    Adie Williams apparently described the news as the best
    Christmas present the club could have asked for!! I can only agree.
    
    Who now for Leicester?
    
    
    Neil
38.1099FORTY2::FOWLERMSammy Chung's Scarlet ArmyWed Dec 14 1994 18:274
Maybe they'll appoint Big Fat Ron, stay up, and laugh as Villa get relegated.
8-)


Mike
38.1100Facial eggPEKING::KIRKPATRICKJWho Hell He?Thu Dec 15 1994 10:436
    
    Yes.....well.....
    
    The tea-lady will be picking the team on Sunday - who else is there?
    
    j.
38.1101PEKING::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURThu Dec 15 1994 10:585
    
    NEVER TRUST A JOCK!!!!!!!
    
    
    Andy..B
38.1102nightmare on elm parkFORTY2::JONESNeilThu Dec 15 1994 11:3620
    
    I guess Mark wanted a Premier League job even if its only for 6 months.
    Reading may have get promoted but its not certain. 

    My hunch is that he wants to hob-nob it with the miserable mate of his
    at Old Trafford.

    On the negative side he's done a runner, but on the positive side he
    has made Reading FC a success. You only have to cast your mind back to
    the days of Branfoot (bar one good season when they won the 3rd
    division) or Porterfield to remember how dire it was.

    Meridian news were touting John Gorman (as sacked by Swindon, 100 goals
    against in last years Premier) or Lawrie Sanchez (ex-owner of the
    derelict Cartoons wine bar in Gun St. Famous for 2 seconds for his cup 
    winning goal against the mighty reds) as replacements. Groan! Actually
    they would do better to copy Middlesboro or Swindon and tempt an aging
    Premier League player in for the first managerial job. 

    Neil
38.1103McGhee has leftPGREEN::CHALFONTThu Dec 15 1994 11:4940
    To explain the last note, Mark McGhee has now reneged on his commitment
    to stay with Reading and left yesterday along with Colin Lee and Mick
    Hickman to join Leicester.
    
    He had agreed with John Madjeski on Tuesday night to stay but overnight
    decided to change his mind and move on. 
    
    To my mind, this is not the way things should be done. I am extremely
    sad to see McGhee go and am disappointed in the way things have
    happened. This is the first time he has handled things badly in three
    years.
    
    As I have said before, he has transformed Reading (along with Madjeski)
    both as a club and as a footballing team. Unfortunately, I fear that
    yesterday's events may take us back a huge step. It is critical that we
    appoint a manager who holds the same footballing beliefs as McGhee and
    allows the team to play in the manner to which they and the fans are
    now accustomed. If not players will leave and the superb support we
    currently have will dwindle. Therefore I believe we should not even
    think of appointing any of the big name managers currently out of a job
    (e.g Atkinson, Walker) and look for another McGhee - a current or
    recently retired footballer with managerial ambitions and who believes
    in passing football.
    
    My biggest fear is that McGhee will now come back to Reading to poach
    our top players - Williams, Hislop and Osborn.
    
    Time will only tell but I only hope this isn't the begining to the end
    of Reading's footballing upsurge.
    
    Sunday's televised game with Wolves will now be a big test of the
    player's character, especially with no central defenders available. A
    draw may be a good result.
    
    
    Neil
    
    P.S. I heard on 210 this morning that the match is sold out apart from
    3 seats in the dug-out!!  
                                      
38.1104Too latePGREEN::CHALFONTThu Dec 15 1994 11:514
    Sorry, someone got in before me. I was referring to note .1101.
    
    
    Neil
38.1105Not letting the dust settle...AYOV29::DUTY93_MALCNogbad the BadThu Dec 15 1994 12:5511
    
    	Very sorry to see Mark Mcghee go. Hard luck guys.
    
    	Can I suggest Gordon Strachan as new manager ?
    
    	If only for the reason that he is a good pal of Mark Mcghee.
    
    	(Mind you so is Roy Aitken. I don't know how you'd feel about him).
    
    	Malc.
    
38.1106UPROAR::LEMPWe danced the Lumbago till dawnThu Dec 15 1994 13:1914
    It's a shit when this sort of thing happens. I can't see why he left -
    he was making a very nice future for himself at Reading. If he'd
    carried on then he could have been in the running for one of the very
    top jobs instead of third choice (sorry but it's true) for a
    non-descript Premiership side who won't be much longer (that's
    Premiership rather than non-descript).
    
    I don't think your players are in much danger as he won't have that
    much money to spend at Leicester, unless he sells one of two players
    such as Joachim. The last noter could be right - Gordon Strachan would
    be a good choice.
    
    Paul.
    
38.1107Money talks unfortunately.Strachen a good choice!PEKING::SHALLOMANORA MOLLAHS!Thu Dec 15 1994 14:081
    
38.1108FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingThu Dec 15 1994 15:2612
>                  <<< Note 38.1102 by FORTY2::JONES "Neil" >>>
>                           -< nightmare on elm park >-

>    against in last years Premier) or Lawrie Sanchez (ex-owner of the
>    derelict Cartoons wine bar in Gun St. Famous for 2 seconds for his cup 

and actual owner of Bukowskis, almost next door.

While we're canvassing silly names, McGhee had a prolific partnership at 
Newcastle with Mick Quinn . . .

grahame
38.1109REOSV2::STRATFORDSThu Dec 15 1994 16:319
    His reason for going  appears to be the fact that Leicesters next games
    involve Man U, Blackburn and some other big club who's name escapes me.
    Probably be more of a test than Readings next games (aside from
    Wolves).
    
    Everybody seems to have overlooked BFR as the next manager. I'd have
    thought he'd be good enough for Reading.
    
    Stuart
38.1110PEKING::KIRKPATRICKJWho Hell He?Thu Dec 15 1994 17:0020
    
    The reality is that McGhee was always going to leave Elm Park; I just
    hoped it would be later rather than sooner. Despite their recent
    success, Reading are still regarded as a small club, because,
    historically speaking, they've always existed in the lower divisions
    and never had large, hard-core support.
    
    The story of the football league is one of buyers and sellers; compared
    to Reading, Leicester are a buyer. But Leicester fans should not take
    too much comfort from this fact - McGhee is ambitious and has certainly
    got his sights set much higher than a long career at Filbert Street. In
    the end, that's probably what made his mind up - Leicester is a better
    stepping-stone to the top than Reading.
    
    I wish him well since he achieved more for Reading than any other
    manager. Whoever takes over will have a difficult job; if a side's
    doing badly when you take over, you get the credit for any improvement.
    Here, the opposite is true and I don't envy them one bit.
    
    j.
38.1111Madejski to quit too?PGREEN::CHALFONTFri Dec 16 1994 11:5225
    The biggest problem now is that John Madejski is very disillusioned
    over the whole affair. In reality, he is Reading's lifeline and not the
    manager. If he decides to quit football which he was talking about on
    the radio this morning, then Reading will have problems.
    
    Whilst he is not Jack Walker or the Wolves chairman who are prepared to
    buy success at any cost, he ensures Reading are financial viable. He
    rescued the club 4 or 5 years ago by putting money into the club and
    whilst he is not always prepared to put his hand in his pocket to buy
    players (the last couple of months have been a case in point), he must
    be Reading's continual saviour because the attendance receipts alone
    won't keep the club financially viable. One of his companies - Auto
    Trader - are the club's sponsors for example. Should he decide to
    leave, where are we to get another multi-millionaire from?! A manager yes,
    a multi-millionaire I doubt.
    
    Strachan would be a good choice - in the McGhee mould I would guess.
    Other names I have heard touted are Clive Allen, John Gorman and Steve
    Nicol. Apparently the club have received numerous applications already but
    Madejski said he would not be rushed into a decision. I believe he may
    be thinking about his future first.
    
    
    Neil  
                                        
38.1112Press Reportsand Rumours - Spot The DifferenceREOSV2::STRATFORDSFri Dec 16 1994 12:1511
    The 2 main names mentioned this morning are Ardiles and Walker.
    Apparently Madjeski has invited Ardiles to apply for the position.
    
    McGhee is also quoted as saying that if Madjeski had offered him a neew
    contract on Thursday/Friday of last week, he would have stayed at
    Reading. 
    
    Seems that the Chairman wanted McGhee to stay in much the same way that
    Norwich wanted Mike Walker to stay.
    
    Stuart
38.1113ADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKFri Dec 16 1994 15:523
Anyone know what compensation we'll be getting from Leicester if any??

Al
38.1114Hislop/Osborne excellent44007::TYLDESLEYMon Dec 19 1994 14:478
    A brilliant match yesterday, with Reading playing with great
    determination to overcome an initial goal setback to win 4-2
    against Wolves.
    Some wag asked Neil Webb in the toilet at half time, if he was coming
    to take over "I'm trying, I'm trying" he said. ;-)
    Ardiles was also there.
    cheers
    davet
38.1115SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Dec 19 1994 15:4811
    Great game,great atmosphere. Best home game of the season,imo. Jimmy
    Quinn played his heart out with some great touches.
    
    Am I allowed to say this?
    
    "Mark McGhee`s a wanker,
     he wears a wanker`s hat,
     and when he saw the Leicester job,
     he said i`m having that".
    
    
38.1116REOSV2::STRATFORDSMon Dec 19 1994 16:206
    re -1
    
    Do I detect some bad blood surfacing in this topic re your previous
    manager?
    
    Stuart
38.1117Superb!PGREEN::CHALFONTMon Dec 19 1994 16:2620
    A really great game and I agree the best game of the season. Both the
    players and the crowd were excellent.
    
    All 11 players gave 110%, although I have to say that Andy Bernal was
    inspirational at centre-half. He certainly looks a much better
    centre-half than full back.
    
    It was great that this performance was on TV. I know so many people who
    doubt it when I say Reading play great passing football, yet it was
    there for all to see yesterday. The first two goals were two excellent
    examples of how Reading have been playing football since McGhee
    arrived. That is why it is so important that we appoint a manager with
    the same beliefs.
    
    The downside of being on TV is that everyone will now know what a great
    goalkeeper Shaka Hislop is. Still his value has probably risen as well. 
    
    
    Neil 
        
38.1118Don Howe has just been appointed Reading ManagerREOSV2::STRATFORDSMon Dec 19 1994 16:271
    
38.1119REOSV2::STRATFORDSMon Dec 19 1994 16:304
    re -1
    
    The reports indicate that Madjeski has been impressed with The Don's
    record of consistently producing attacking sides.
38.1120SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Dec 19 1994 17:216
    Don Howe,eh?
    
    Good grief. I`m not sure if that`s good or bad,to be honest. He`s the
    reason why I watched the World Cup on the BBC,rather than endure his
    "bloke down the pub" style of punditary.
    
38.1121A bald coot that talks the worst game you'll ever hear!TRUCKS::SANTRelax - I do believe it's working!Mon Dec 19 1994 18:2814
    
    	Don Howe is to attacking, passing football what King Herrod was
    	to baby-sitting...
    
    	If he really *has* been appointed Reading manager/coach whatever,
    	get out your road atlases and remind yourselves where Gillingham,
    	Chesterfield, Exeter and Scunthorpe are....
    
    	His "performances" during the World Cup were pitiful. A clear
    	indication of what is wrong with the English game at the highest
    	levels, since he has such a wonderful reputation amongst the
    	higher echelons.....he coached ENGLAND, for f***s sake!!!
    
      	Andy.
38.1122FORTY2::FOWLERMSammy Chung's Scarlet ArmyMon Dec 19 1994 20:004
I thought Howe was a lifelong fan of the FA School of Coaching, which is a
euphemism for kick and run.

Mike
38.1123Just a rumourPGREEN::CHALFONTTue Dec 20 1994 12:1915
    Where did this rumour start because it is not true.
    
    Madejski stated on TV yesterday that:
    
    a) the new manager would have to be someone who believed in the style
    of play which Reading are now accustomed
    
    b) there would be no changes to the player personnel i.e there might be
    additions but he would not be selling players.
    
    Other names that have now been mentioned are Gary Mabbutt and Steve
    Perryman. Apparently applications are increasing by the day.
    
    
    Neil  
38.1124He's been going on the razz with Merson too much!UPROAR::LEMPThere ain't no sanity clauseTue Dec 20 1994 12:469
    I'd say the rumour started somewhere in Stuart Stratford's subconcious
    and entered the real world in the form of note .1118. The following
    note was a bit of a giveaway, something along the lines of Don Howe
    being a devotee of attacking football. 
    
    In fact Mr Howe has been connected with the forthcoming vacancy at
    High-bury.
    
    Paul.
38.1125REOSV2::STRATFORDSTue Dec 20 1994 12:463
    re -1
    
    Point (a) seems to make Don Howe odds on favourite then 8-)
38.1126done up like a kipperCOMICS::HAWLEYIYou ain't seen me...roit?!Tue Dec 20 1994 14:3210
    
    Oi! Stratford! NO!!! 			(apologies to H.Enfield)
    
    I went around telling everyone your bit of news about Don Howe
    yesterday and ended up looking a right muppet!
    
    :-)
    
    Ian.
    
38.1127Oops! I've been rumbled 8-)REOSV2::STRATFORDSTue Dec 20 1994 14:341
    
38.1128SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Dec 21 1994 15:297
    The Sun have been praising Reading in the last couple of days. A big
    2 page article on John Madjeski,big raving review on the Sunday game,
    and John Sadler,"The man who gives it to you straight" reckons Mark
    McGhee is the most exciting new Premier Manager in a long time.
    
    Oh dear.
    
38.1129Did they mention Don Howe ;-)REOSV2::STRATFORDSWed Dec 21 1994 15:381
    
38.1130:-)COMICS::HAWLEYIYou ain't seen me...roit?!Wed Dec 21 1994 15:449
    
    > Did they mention Don Howe ;-)
    
    How can you joke at a time like this?
    My credibility is shot to pieces thanks to your duff info!
    
    Grrrrr!
    
    Angry of Basingstoke.
38.1131CHEFS::GEORGEMOh mr. songwriter, write me a song.....Wed Dec 21 1994 16:037
>>>>Angry of Basingstoke!

should that be :

Gullibletobelieveanythingstuartstratfordsays of Basingstoke?

Hope this helps.
38.1132..and at least it made one person happy/amused..TRUCKS::SANTRelax - I do believe it's working!Thu Dec 22 1994 16:015
    
    	I'm sure it'll help from now on, Matt. Comes a bit late to be any
    	use to Ian, though. Still, we'll know for next time, won't we...
    
    	Andy.
38.1133And the new Reading manager is...REOSV2::STRATFORDSDon Howe - A great blokeThu Dec 22 1994 16:137
    Andy
    
    It's proved to be highly amusing around the area where I am sat and
    also amongst some friends who are Reading fans.
    
    Stuart 
    
38.1134DH is godCOMICS::HAWLEYIStuart Stratford IS Don HoweThu Dec 22 1994 19:005
    
    Cor blimey Mr.Cholmondley-Warner, strike a light, i'll know better than
    to trust them common cockney types in future so I will.
    
    'Grayson'     
38.1135No but there is a family resemblanceREOSV2::STRATFORDSDon Howe is my DadThu Dec 22 1994 19:071
    
38.1136Quinn and Gooding - joint managersPGREEN::CHALFONTThu Jan 05 1995 16:367
    Jimmy Quinn and Mike Gooding were confirmed as Reading's new
    joint-managers for the next 18 months.
    
    No other candidates were interviewed.
    
    
    Neil
38.1137Not Don Howe then?REOSV3::STRATFORDSSi, BaroneThu Jan 05 1995 16:391
    
38.1138Reading 1 Oldham 3...arggh!PEKING::PROSPERJThu Jan 12 1995 17:586
    
    I know its a little bit late, but are there any match reports on the
    FA cup tie against Oldham?
    
    Jenni.
    
38.1139You want it, you got itREOSV3::STRATFORDSGood Grief, PenfoldThu Jan 12 1995 18:3137
38.1140Lee Nogan from Watford???KERNEL::OFFSY1::WESTThu Jan 12 1995 19:096

  Rumour has it We've signed Lee Nogan from Watford for 200K any 
  confimations?

               Mark.
38.1141Yes its true. REOSV3::STRATFORDSGood Grief, PenfoldThu Jan 12 1995 19:151
    
38.1142SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Jan 13 1995 16:0712
    Yes,it`s true alright. 250,000 pounds.
    
    All I would say about the Oldham game is that is the worst i`ve seen
    them all this season,and most of last season come to that. So it`s
    not really a true reflection. I would imagine it`s all the games
    they`ve had to play over a short period,what with having a very small
    squad and loads of injuries.
    
    Let`s hope they improve against the Baggies. 
    
    
    
38.1143PGREEN::CHALFONTFri Jan 13 1995 16:0822
    The Oldham game was probably the worst performance of the season and we
    deserved to lose. Shaka was due an off day.
    
    The absence of both Adie Williams (rumour has it that his injury is career
    threatening) and Simon Osborn has shown that without our best two
    players, we are going to struggle. The defence is shaky without
    Williams there, and Darius is not the same player without him.
    
    Osborn has been our midfield general and the creator of most of our
    best footballing moments this season (as well as the scorer of our best
    goals). His loss is also crucial to us.
    
    Up front, Archie Lovell looks out of his depth in this division and I
    suspect Lee Nogan's arrival confirms this. Lets hope he can bring new
    impetus to our game.
    
    Neil
    
    
    PS. Phil Holder, the ex Brentford manager, has been named as Youth team
    coach and will be the man on the bench during league games when Quinn
    and Gooding are playing.
38.1144REOSV3::STRATFORDSGood Grief, PenfoldFri Jan 13 1995 16:114
    re Adie Williams.
    
    's funny about the rumour about his career being threatened cos he's
    s'posed to be back in training at the end of the month. 
38.1145Are you sure?REOSV3::STRATFORDSGood Grief, PenfoldFri Jan 13 1995 17:408
    re .1143
    
    Are you seriously suggesting that Oldham was worse than Grimsby?!??
    that was the worst game I've been to in a while and I watch Arsenal on
    a reasonably regular basis. Christ, it was worse than the Arsenal v
    Sheff Weds league match.
    
    Stuart
38.1146RDGENG::CHALFONTWed Jan 18 1995 17:0011
    re .1444
    
    I hope you are right and the rumour I heard is wrong. We desparately
    need Williams to steady the ship.
    
    re .1445
    
    Yes, and the WBA game was equally as bad. Mind you, WBA came to defend
    which they did well and scored twice on the break. 
    
    Neil  
38.1147MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Wed Jan 18 1995 22:266
    Well according to todays Express Mr. Madejski is the third richest
    bloke who owns a football club.. he's worth about 164 million quid... I
    would have thought that its about time that he spent some of that money
    on new players.. & a new stadium.. if they ever want to get promoted!
    
    Rick.
38.1148UPROAR::LEMPThere ain't no sanity clauseThu Jan 19 1995 11:553
    Who are the two richer Chairmen, Rick.
    
    Paul.
38.1149Guess...TRUCKS::SANTRelax - I do believe it's working!Thu Jan 19 1995 12:144
    
    	Pickering (Derby) and Walker (Blackburn)?
    
    	Andy.
38.1150UPROAR::LEMPThere ain't no sanity clauseThu Jan 19 1995 12:217
    Andy,
    
    I'd go with Walker but I thought Pickering was only worth about 20m
    before he started "investing" in Derby. How about Evertons chairman,
    isn't he one of the top men in the Littlewoods Pools empire.
    
    Paul.
38.1151REOSV3::STRATFORDSZowie, Cavie!Thu Jan 19 1995 12:487
    Paul
    
    If you're referring to John Moores, he is playing footie in the sky
    with God. On the other hand, isn't one of the Moores in charge of the
    Red Sh*te?
    
    Stuart
38.1152UPROAR::LEMPThere ain't no sanity clauseThu Jan 19 1995 13:2514
    Stuart,
    
    No, actually I meant Johnson (Peter?), the ex-Tranmere chairman.
    Thought he was in the pools business as well. Moores wasn't actually
    chairman, but had a controlling interest through his shareholding.
    Marsh was the chairman at that time. 
    
    Disclaimer: this note is based on information from the Everton note. As
    such the author can take no responsibility for it's accuracy. Anyone
    getting involved in arguments in pubs based on what they have read
    herein could well be on their way to a good kicking.
    
    Paul.
    
38.1153REOSV3::STRATFORDSZowie, Cavie!Thu Jan 19 1995 13:499
    Paul
    
    If you're relying on Wattys' info then you may well be right in adding
    a disclaimer.
    
    I thought Johnson was in the frozen food business. I could be wrong
    (nothing unusual there) ;-)
    
    Stuart
38.1154TRUCKS::SANTRelax - I do believe it's working!Thu Jan 19 1995 14:185
    
    	Paul, if you take any notice of Watty then you *deserve* a good
    	kicking ;-)
    
    	Andy.
38.1155MARVIN::MORRELLBaby.. Baby.. We change... anything we want too... Fri Jan 20 1995 11:464
    The two richer Chairman are Jack Walker (345m) & David Sullivan (166m)
    of Birmingham.
    
    Rick.
38.1156REOSV3::STRATFORDSZowie, Cavie!Fri Jan 20 1995 12:075
    Out of interest, and surprisinglying relevant to this note, now that
    Reading are out of the cup, have they got a match on the 28th of this
    month?
    
    Stuart
38.1157NoPGREEN::CHALFONTFri Jan 20 1995 15:1613
    No, because we do not have a backlog of games. I believe the only
    First Division games that day are between sides who have had
    a game postponed and are obviously both out of the cup.
    
    It is probably a good thing as it will give us a week longer to get
    some of the injuries sorted out.
    
    Away to Burnley tomorrow. We need to get back to winning ways. Being
    away is an advantage as we seem to be playing much better away from
    home.
    
    Neil
                                                            
38.1158SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Jan 23 1995 16:0410
    Burnley 1 Reading 2.
    
    A useful result,Reading are now a healthy 5th. Apparently,they have
    the best away record in the league. 
    
    FWIW,i`d hate it if Madjeski started spending millions on the squad.
    If Reading can get back to playing at full strengh,I can see no
    reason why they can`t reach the play-offs. The only thing i`d like
    to see is a second team.
    
38.1159ADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKMon Feb 06 1995 14:5211
Middlesbrough 0 Reading 1

Great result on Saturday against the morning's leaders.

With Bolton beating Wolves 5-1 the top has tightened up again.

Now only 3 points between top (Bolton 50) and 5th (Reading 47)

All to play for. Now if only the team could get it together at home!!

Al
38.1160 45796::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Feb 06 1995 15:464
    C`mon you Royals. Any idea when Adie Williams and Dylan Kerr are
    back to tighten up the defence??
    
    
38.1161Great win!PGREEN::CHALFONTMon Feb 06 1995 16:2121
    A great result. The best I was hoping for was a draw!
    
    Paul Holsgrove scored in the 52nd minute after a defence splitting pass
    by Michael Gilkes. Holsgrove calmly went round the keeper and scored
    from an acute angle. 
    
    re: 1161
    
    Dylan Kerr I believe was available for selection on Saturday, so I was
    surprised not to see him play.
    
    There is no news on Adie Williams to my knowledge. He has now been out
    for 3 months and the club is not really talking about his injury,
    unlike other players. I believe this adds weight to the rumour I have
    previously mentioned that this is a very serious injury which may be
    career threatening. Does anyone else have any news?
    
    Home to Derby next Saturday. 
    
    
    Neil 
38.1162Great afternoon.KERNEL::OFFSY1::WESTMon Feb 06 1995 19:2417
  What a great Saturday afternoon Reading beating the boro' and I won the 
radio Berkshire compo!!!

  The Sun rated Adrian Viveash as their man of the match. Did anyone go up 
or see the highlights to confirm this?? I wonder if he will be staying at 
the end of his loan period?? 

  Also does anyone have any more info on this Alex Browne we're trialing at 
the moment. I believe he is from non league Weymouth and has a couple of 
other league clubs interested.

  I hope the rumours about Adie are not true, though I believe we are 
learning to live without him now. I am begining to wish we had taken that 
offer from West Ham at the begining of the season.

   Cheers Mark.
38.1163pinch meNEWOA::NUTLEYWed Feb 08 1995 04:0010
    Adi should be back within the next three weeks as He has had the go
    ahead from the specialist to start full training this week.
    
    My man of the match was Michael Gilkes as His tackling commitment and
    goal line clearances were stunning.
    
    Also Super SI is making good progress but the club will not state a
    come back date yet.
    
    Andy
38.1164 SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitTue Feb 13 1996 20:5011
    Reading 1 Derby 0
    
    An own goal by Derby. (ho,ho). A pretty good performance from Reading
    considering the dodgy conditions,and they deserved the 3 points. What
    pleased me was the tightening up of the defence. 
    
    1 point in it now between the top 4 teams. Though Middlesbrough have
    2 games in hand,and Wolves 1 game in hand.
    
    
    
38.1165IMAPC::MURRAYPCBU CH. Sys SupportWed Feb 15 1995 18:144
    
    Any chance of a table please ?
    
    Paul
38.1166NEWOA::NUTLEYThu Feb 16 1995 14:2133
    
    Here goes then the league table including last nights result.
    
    TEAM	   Pld	W    D    L	For	Against	Pts
    Bolton	   30	14   9    7	50	32	51
    -------------------------------------------------------
    Wolves	   29	15   5    9	52	39	50
    Tranmere	   30	14   8    8	48	35	50
    READING	   30	14   8    8	35	27	50
    Middlesbrough  28	14   7    7     41	26	49
    --------------------------------------------------------
    Watford	   30	12   11   7	35	28	47
    Sheffield Utd  30   12   10   8	48	34	46
    Grimsby        30   11   11   8	47	40	44
    Bransley	   28   12   6    10	36	36	42
    Luton	   29	11   7    11	38	40	40
    Millwall	   28	10   10   8	36	32	40
    Charlton	   29	10   9    10	43	45	39
    Derby	   29	10   9    10	35	31	39
    Oldham	   29	10   8    11	39	38	38
    Southend	   30	10   6    14	31	54	36
    Stoke	   28	9    9    10	29	34	36
    Port Vale	   28	9    8    11	34	36	35
    West Brom	   30	9    7    14	25	36	34
    Portsmouth	   29	8    9    12	30	41	33
    Bristol City   31   9    6    16    28	41	33
    -------------------------------------------------------
    Swindon	   27	8    8    12	36	46	32
    Sunderland	   29   6    14   9	28	29	32
    Burnley	   27	6    9    12	28	20	27
    Notts County   31   6    8    17	33	45	26
    		
    
38.1167tREADING on thin iceCOMICS::HAWLEYII...AM...A...HORSE!Thu Feb 16 1995 14:2512
    
    > Bransley       28   12   6    10    36      36      42
    
    Bransley??? BRANSLEY?!?!?
    ;-)
    
    Can anyone give me some details on how to get to Elm Park from Reading
    train station? I'm planning on treating my wife to some football in the
    near future! :)
    
    Ian.
    "Mortally wounded BRANSLEY-lad"
38.1168SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitThu Feb 16 1995 15:436
    You could get a connecting train to Reading West from Reading station,
    which would bring you to very near the ground.
    
    It depends on whether you are prepared to pay 80 pence or so for the
    priviledge.
     
38.1169cheersCOMICS::HAWLEYII...AM...A...HORSE!Thu Feb 16 1995 16:205
    
    Actually, the train goes through Reading West (from Basingstoke)
    so how close to the ground is it?
    
    Ian.
38.1170Not farIOSG::LAYNEThu Feb 16 1995 16:303
    RE -1 about 5 minutes walk away.  If you go to the main station there
    are quite a few buses you can get.  I can't remember the numbers now,
    but if you want me to I can find out.
38.1171TRUCKS::SANTThere is a canal far away - Far Canal!Thu Feb 16 1995 16:597
    
    	re .1167 treating the wife...
    
        You're such a romantic, Ian.....who'd think of taking their wife
    	to a football match as an anniversary present? 8-)
    
    	Andy.
38.1172Some busesCHEFS::STRATFORDSYe Gods, what on earth?Thu Feb 16 1995 17:044
    No.17 certainly, but basically any that go to Tilehurst along the
    Oxford Road.
    
    Stuart 
38.1173CHEFS::STRATFORDSYe Gods, what on earth?Thu Feb 16 1995 17:139
    >You're such a romantic, Ian.....who'd think of taking their wife
    >to a football match as an anniversary present? 8-)
     
    Andy,
    
    I think a lot of us think about it but few would have the guts to
    actually do it 8^)
    
    Stuart
38.1174india, then sri lanka, then elm parkCOMICS::HAWLEYII...AM...A...HORSE!Thu Feb 16 1995 17:1513
    
    Andy,
    
    > You're such a romantic, Ian.....who'd think of taking their wife
    > to a football match as an anniversary present? 8-)
    
    It IS our first anniversary soon, but we'll be in Sri Lanka.
    
    Nah...its her birthday instead :-)
    
    
    Ian.
    
38.1175ADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKThu Feb 16 1995 17:389
Normal buses that go straight past the ground are:

30, 33, 34, 35

I also believe there are football specials too.

I used to live in Tilehurst but the buses have changed since I moved out.

Al
38.1176TRUCKS::SANTThere is a canal far away - Far Canal!Thu Feb 16 1995 19:317
    
    	Al, I should think the whole neighbourhood has changed since 
    	you moved out ;-)
    
    	Now I didn't actually say whether it had improved, or.....
    
    	Andy.
38.1177Adie's on the mendPGREEN::CHALFONTFri Feb 17 1995 11:5917
    Away to Tranmere tomorrow, so it is a match up between the best home
    record in the division and the best away record. We owe them one after
    they beat us 3-1 at home back in November.
    
    Apparently Adie Williams is making very good progress now and hopes to
    be back in a fortnights time. That will make a big difference to our
    side and hopefully will help maintain the current momentum. I am
    pleased that the rumour I had heard has proved to be unfounded but I
    don't think the seriousness of the injury should be underestimated - once
    you have had an injury of this nature, it could reoccur again at any time.
    
    If only "Super Si" was fit, we would be really well placed for a
    concerted drive towards the Premiership.
    
    
    Neil
                                                             
38.1178FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingFri Feb 17 1995 14:5313
>    If only "Super Si" was fit, we would be really well placed for a
>    concerted drive towards the Premiership.
    
Do you really, seriously, honestly, want to get promoted this season? How do 
you think this team (or one close to it) will do in the Premier? 

I wish Reading  lots of luck, but I don't think they'd be doing themselves any 
favours by going up this season - you don't want to be another Leicester (or. 
especially, Swindon!). I reckon getting to the Playoff final and losing could 
be a good strategy - keep the interest going, make some money, then look to 
improving the team and ground for a big push next year.

grahame
38.1179Definately !!!!SUBURB::RUTHERFORDIAlan Rough's Greatest SlipsFri Feb 17 1995 15:379
    Especially the ground. Its awful !! They really do have to think about
    making improvements, and I agree that the best thing that could happen
    to Reading, would be to make the Play-Offs and get a bit of money in.
    There was talk of a new ground being built. Has there been anymore on
    this ? Preferably it would have a bit more steel and a lot less wood
    than the current one !!!
    
    
    Ian.
38.1180 SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Feb 17 1995 15:445
    It would great if Reading got into the Premier League. No one would
    expect them to do well (or even win a game come to that),it`d just
    be great fun seeing them pit their wits against the likes of Man Utd,
    Blackburn etc then slip back into the 1st division again.
    
38.1181Just because your leaving the country grahame!!!ADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKFri Feb 17 1995 17:2918
I agree with -.1

However much I'd like Reading to succeed in the premier, I don't they're ever
likely to have such a great chance of getting there as they do this season (Yes
I would like to be eating my words in 12 months time). Going up would draw in
the crowds, week in week out, whether they're top or bottom.

Apart from 3 seasons, they have always been in either of the bottom 2 divisions
for as long as I have been into football. I think I would speak for a lot of
fans when I say, better one year in the premier than a lifetime in the lower
divisions.

A play-off final at Wembley would be the end to a great season. To win it would
be heaven.

I for one will be getting my first ever season ticket if we get promoted.

Al
38.1182FORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingMon Feb 20 1995 15:513
Oh, all right then - Howay the Royals!!

g
38.1183TranmereCHEFS::LAINSBURYAMon Feb 20 1995 16:3322
    I agree with the last few notes, we are never going to maintain success
    being such a small club, but let's get to the premier and enjoy the
    greatest season in our history...even if we do do a Swindon.
    
    Just a note on the Tranmere game. I went. The first half was very even,
    with Reading playing some good football and probably shading it,
    despite Tranmere having a penalty decision turned down (even I as a
    bias Reading supporter would not have complained).
    From the moment the teams stepped on the park for the second half there
    was only ever one team in it, and they deservedly won. Only Shaka at
    his brilliant best stopped it being 3 or 4.
    The last 5 minutes we nearly sneaked one, Uuuuuwwweeee going close with
    a good header and screwing one wide when Nogan (who was crap) had an
    easy ball to put him through but played it behind him. (The national
    press and teletext unfairly said Uwe missed 2 sitters.)
    Anyway, a disappointing 2nd half, we missed Gilkes, and the midfield
    (Parkinson and Holsgrove) were nowhere. But never mind, Southend at
    home Tuesday, followed by Notts County away. Six points, we'll be right
    back in it.
    
    
    Andy
38.1184PGREEN::CHALFONTMon Feb 20 1995 16:4321
    re .1178 et al
    
    I have to say that whilst I would love to see Reading in the
    Premiership, I don't believe that we are good enough to go up and
    survive there.
    
    I, like many others, are revelling in the current success and hope that
    it long continues. However, a play-off place would be great. The vast
    majority of supporters would have settled for that at the beginning of
    the season.
    
    As far as the ground is concerned, I believe Madjeski will make a
    decision on that at the end of the season dependent on the success on
    the field.
    
    The loss at Tranmere on Saturday probably highlights the fact that we
    are probably not just good enough yet to really challenge for the two
    promotion places.
    
    
    Neil  
38.1185PardonPEKING::ROSECMon Feb 20 1995 17:2720
    As a rule I've stopped writing in this note - one parting gesture
    though.
    
    Reading were formed 124 years ago, I actually think it's time we played
    at the higher level if we ever have the chance to!  All this nonsense
    about being good enough....if you finish top or win the play-off final
    at Wembley then you are a) good enough and/or b) the best that Div 1
    has got to offer anyway.
    
    And as for "maybe making the play-offs and then losing and making some
    money" I DON'T THINK SO.   Can you honestly imagine going to Wembley on
    a summers afternoon in May with 40,000 other Reading fans saying "Well
    I don't really mind if we lose"?
    
    As for the ground.  Yeah we need to move, we know that.  Some of the
    other teams playing top flight football in the last decade or so didn't
    let it worry them (eg Oxford).
    
    Good luck to Quinny and Geordie.  Just go for it.
    
38.1186 SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitTue Feb 21 1995 15:294
    Southend tonight,then away to Notts County on Saturday.
    
    A possible 6 points???
    
38.1187Back up to fourthPIECES::PCLSC::chalfontPlace holder for NOTESWed Feb 22 1995 11:4017
Reading 2 Southend 0

Holsrove 57'
Nogan 64'

A good win against a very poor team. Reading could and probably should have won by a lot more 
but nothing would go in in the first half. 

In reality, the team was a bit of a makeshift team last night with Gooding, Williams, Darius, 
Osborn, Gilkes, Bernal and Quinn missing (although Quinn was a sub). Personally I thought Ade 
Viveash had a very solid game at the back and both Uwe and Lee Nogan had probably their best 
games for Reading. Uwe unfortunately tired in the second half but he had a very impressive 
first half. I believe he should currently be given a run in the starting line-up instead of 
Quinn who only seems capable of playing the ball backwards these days.


Neil
38.1188 SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Feb 22 1995 14:448
    I thought Southend looked a very sad team,and I felt sorry for the
    fans who made the effort to see them. 
    
    Mind you,Shaka no doubt "saved Reading with a couple of brilliant saves"
    (as the cliche I`m sick of reading goes).
    
    
    
38.1189sad, sad, sad, sad ...AYOV27::FW_TEMP01John Hussey - Ayr we goWed Feb 22 1995 15:168
Not as sad as some of us (well me anyway) who actually support Southend.
Fortunately, I seen them for a while living up here.

Peter Taylor won't be around for much longer.

BTW, is Ronnie Whelan still at Southend as he seems to have disappearred from 
the team sheets.  Coincidentially, his arrival sparked Southend's good form
and his disappearance with their current bad spell.
38.1190 SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitThu Mar 02 1995 20:285
    Interesting to see in my note 922 my prediction of Divison One play
    offs.
    
    Not that i`m blowing my trumpet (ooh er).
    
38.1191 SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Mar 06 1995 15:3210
    Reading 4 Watford 1
    
    Great team performance. Gilkes and Adie Williams are back and played
    well. Super Uwe Hartenberger and Taylor also played excellently.
    
    The only weak link in an otherwise great team (now that they are give
    or take a couple of players,injury free) is Dylan Kerr. He must go.
    Rubbish,rubbish,rubbish. Once Wydowick (sp) is back,put him in left
    back and drop Kerr.
    
38.1192PGREEN::CHALFONTMon Mar 06 1995 16:0524
    A great result against a team who had only conceded 1 league goal this
    year before Saturday - goodness knows how. Watford came to defend it
    would seem and only had one shot on target all afternoon.
    
    Unfortunately all the top six won except Sheffield United who drew
    which enabled us to move from sixth to fifth. However, there is a bit
    of gap between sixth and seventh now.
    
    Adie made a big difference to the team. Its a real pity he is now
    banned for three games after stupidly getting sent off against Notts
    County. I agree with the previous noter about Dylan Kerr's performance
    - he couldn't pass to save his life on Saturday.
    
    Gilkesy goals were both excellently taken, although the first must rank
    as one of Reading's goals of the season having started in their own box
    and following a fluent series of passes being superbly finished by
    Gilkes. It's a pity the TV coverage didn't show the whole move.
    
    Millwall away on Wednesday and Barnsley at home on Saturday.
    
    
    
    Neil 
        
38.1193"Super Si" in training PIECES::PCLSC::chalfontPlace holder for NOTESTue Mar 07 1995 15:3118
According to the Evening Post last night, "Super Si" Osborn resumes 
training this week and should be fit enough to take his place in the team 
by the end of the month.

Hopefully therefore we will be able to field a full strength team again for 
the all important final few weeks of the season, suspensions permitting. It 
seems ages since we able to field our strongest team.

A person who should gain a lot of credit for Reading's success this season 
is the groundsman - Gordon Neate. There can not be many better playing 
surfaces in the country than Elm Park at the moment (shame about the stands 
and terraces I hear you say). Reading's passing style of play requires an 
excellent pitch and when one considers the recent weather and the quality 
of many of the mudheaps you see on the TV, the pitch is a real credit. He 
certainly deserves the annual league award for his efforts.


Neil
38.1194TRUCKS::SANTThere is a canal far away - Far Canal!Tue Mar 07 1995 17:076
    
    	Good grief! Is Gordon Neate still the groundsman at Elm Park?
    
    	He must have been looking after Reading's turf for about 25 years!!
    
    	Andy.
38.1195SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Mar 13 1995 15:478
    Reading 0 Barnsley 3
    
    What a load of old tosh. One thing i`ll never understand is how a team
    can play so well one week,then 7 days later play such utter rubbish.
    Forget the play-offs if they`re stuck in this mould. Rarely do I slag
    Reading off,but they were utterly crap.
    

38.1196I haven't seen Reading win this season...CHEFS::STRATFORDSGoodbye shorts, hello football!Mon Mar 13 1995 16:3817
    >they were utterly crap.
    
    That is an accurate description of their performance on Saturday. I
    did not see one player in Readings team who could hold their own in any
    Premiership side (including Leicester). As for Gilkes, Saturdays
    performance indicates why he is playing Division 1 football and not for
    a better team.
    
    Barnsley were far better than Reading, thoroughly deserving of the 3
    points and the scoreline didn't flatter them. 
    
    All in all, a bad day for Reading as Barnsley are now 3 points behind
    with 3 games in hand. The previous notes regarding Wembley and the
    play-offs are all but pipedreams.
    
    Stuart$wished_he_hadn't_bothered_going
                                     
38.1197wahayCOMICS::HAWLEYII...AM...A...HORSE!Mon Mar 13 1995 20:036
    
    Ignore the mighty Barnsley at your peril.
    They eat good sides for breakfast....and then get shafted by really
    poor ones!
    
    Ian.
38.1198I agree tooPGREEN::CHALFONTMon Mar 13 1995 21:3620
    I can only agree about Saturday's performance. To give Barnsley credit,
    they were a well organised and efficient team who thoroughly deserved their
    win. The only two players who performed reasonably were Darius and Andy
    Bernal. Gilkes and Kerr were a waste of space.
    
    According to all reports, the game against Millwall last Wednesday was
    equally as bad. We need to get our act together again quickly if we are
    to make the playoffs but there are some tough games ahead - Stoke (a),
    Oldham (h) and Sheffield Utd (a).
    
    Lee Nogan looks a waste of money. He is a very similar player to Archie
    and doesn't strike me as being an out and out goal scorer. This above
    anything else is what we need. Neither Quinn or Lovell are the players
    of last year, so until we get a proven goal scorer, we are going to
    struggle. Reading had their chances on Saturday, even before Barnsley
    scored, but wasted every one - Gilkes and Scott Taylor being the worst
    culprits.
    
    
    Neil 
38.1199SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Mar 20 1995 15:059
    Stoke 0 Reading 1
    
    From the brinks of dispair comes light. I didn`t go to the game,but
    Shaka pulled off 3 blinding saves to give Reading all 3 points.
    
    All Reading have to do now is beat Oldham at home on Tuesday,then
    get some sort of result on Saturday away to Sheffield Utd and they`re
    back in the running again.
    
38.1200re -1 Ever the optimist, eh?CHEFS::STRATFORDSGoodbye shorts, hello football!Mon Mar 20 1995 16:431
    
38.1201SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Mar 20 1995 18:377
    Well,miracles do happen.
    
    I see that Archie Lovell is leaving,and Reading are to sign a a Premier
    League striker on loan before Thursday.
    
    Some old has been from West Ham or Coventry,no doubt.
    
38.1202SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Mar 22 1995 15:4513
    Reading 2 Oldham 1.
    
    A game which highlighted the joys and woes of football. For 85 minutes
    Reading were pretty awful. Very awful,actually. Fortunately Oldham
    were dreadful as well,but got a lucky 1st goal. Any hopes of the
    plays offs were sliding away,when suddenly Lee Noagan after being
    substituted in about the 80th minute put away a brave header. Deep
    into injury time Archie Lovell scrambled in the 2nd. Unbelievable
    result.
    
    Reading are now 4th. Barnsley lost yesterday,and Sheffield Utd are
    away to Bolton tonight. 
    
38.1203Consistency??PGREEN::CHALFONTWed Mar 22 1995 16:1828
    Why is it that the standard of Reading's football fluctuates so much
    from game to game. On our day, we are the best footballing team in the
    division yet on others, such as last night, we are absolutely awful.
    OK, we got a result last night but for 80 minutes we were dreadful and
    couldn't string two passes together. 
    
    Injuries to key players such as Williams and Osborn, who are our two
    most gifted players in terms of ball control and passing along with
    Darius, have not helped but even so we do not seem to be playing with
    the flair and composure of the pre-Christmas period. Personally, I
    believe we are missing the managerial talents of McGhee.
    
    Before I get shot down and told about Leicester's current predicament,
    whatever anyone says, Reading would not be where they are today without
    McGhee's influence. To my mind, Quinn and Gooding are never going to be
    able to influence the team in the same way whilst they are both acting
    as player-managers. Player-managers have never been successful and to
    have two of them can only make things worse. I am sure there are other
    reasons but personally I am sure this is a major contributory factor. 
    
    Quinn should give up playing anyway. He has been useless all season and
    a shadow of his former self. The difference between the 1st and 2nd
    divisions has really found him out and how he can still get into the
    Northern Ireland squad I really don't know - has Billy Hamilton
    actually watched him play this year?
        
    
    Neil 
38.1204CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishWed Mar 22 1995 16:5815
    Neil,
    
    I can't comment on Reading playing well because the 3 games I've been
    to this year have been awful  (Grimsby, Oldham (FAC) & Barnsley). I
    have to agree that player-managers are not on the whole successful but
    I believe the problem with Gooding & Quinn is that neither are
    currently displaying any leadership qualities on the pitch. If Reading
    do go up (& it's a very big if) they will have greta difficulty in
    staying out of the bottom 2 places and may indeed fare worse than
    Swindon did.
    
    Stuart
    
    ps	The other games that I am going to this season will be Swindon &
    	Bolton so I fully expect them to be crap as well!
38.1205SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Mar 22 1995 18:5511
    While agree that it`s a shame that Judas McGee left Reading,I think the
    joint management of Quinn/Gooding was the best option. What else could
    Reading do? I`d hate to see some old has been like Mike Walker or a 
    dodgy new comer like Neil Webb taking charge. Reading are a small club,
    which is the way i`d like to see them stay. It makes success all the
    better,(rather than buying success).
    
    Mind you,I agree Jimmy Quinn should hang his boots up. He`s hopeless.
    
    
    
38.1206CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishWed Mar 22 1995 19:4020
    Do you really think that Quinn & Gooding were the best option?
    
    Personally, I'd have said that Reading would have been better served
    looking at other managers who were "in between jobs" as they would have
    possibly found someone who has the experience of a promotion campaign
    and *could* have guided them into the play-offs and beyond. I don't
    actually think that Reading will make it that far due to their current
    indifferent form. The only thing that is helping them is that everyone
    else seems to be suffering the same problem. 
    
    In any case, I can't see Gooding & Quinn being appointed beyond the end
    of the season for the simple fact that they would not be good enough to
    push Reading that stage further that is needed for them to go up and
    more importantly to stay up.
    
    BTW could someone who has the time and the patience post a comparison
    of the teams performances under "Judas" McGhee (to quote the previous
    note) and those under Gooding & Quinn.
    
    Stuart
38.1207SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Mar 22 1995 20:1716
    It depends what you expect Reading to achieve. At the start of the
    season I`d be happy with Reading not going straight back down,and
    getting to mid table at best.
    
    The fact is Reading isn`t really a football town. Most punters support
    your Man Utds and Liverpools (or support a London team),then check out 
    Reading a few times a season. Once Reading hit a bad spot,the crowds
    go down. If Reading got to the Premier league,you`d probably have a
    situation whereby Reading get allocated 2,500 tickets for Reading
    fans,and 10,000 tickets for all the Man Utd fans.
    
    
    
    
    
    Bol
38.1208CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishWed Mar 22 1995 20:209
    But do you really think that the current Reading squad is capable of
    survival? I'd have to agree with the Oldham note this morning and say
    that Reading would fare the same as Swindon simply due to the fact that
    the players they have aren't really up to the task. 
    
    Of course that is based on what I've seen of them this season and it
    ain't been impressive.
    
    Stuart
38.1209PGREEN::CHALFONTWed Mar 22 1995 20:5435
    Stuart,
    
    You have been unlucky in the games you have attended - you will have a
    poor impression of the team. The two games against Wolves in particular
    were great examples but the majority of games before Christmas, both home
    and away, saw Reading play the excellent passing football which McGhee
    introduced to the club. Unfortunately something has been lacking since his
    departure and the team has not played with the consistency that they once
    were (results recently have been win two, lose two and we haven't
    drawn a game yet in 1995).
    
    Although I would love to see Reading in the Premiership, the reality is
    that at the moment we are not good enough. To achieve what has been
    achieved this season is beyond most fans expectations and the fact that
    we still may make the play-offs is a credit to the players. But in
    reality we only have three, possibly four, players who are good enough
    to play at the top level - Shaka, Adie, Osborn and possibly Darius. On top
    of that our ground, as discussed before, is poor to say the least.
    
    We should be encouraged by the team's performance this year - we have the
    best away record and have one of the best defensive records (unfortunately
    we also have one of the worst goals scored and disciplinary records).
    Hopefully, this success will encourage players such as Shaka to remain with
    the club (although I fear he will be sold in the close season) and Madjeski
    to buy the additional players we do need to sustain this impetus of
    improvement next year as well. The agreement of the Borough Council to
    build a new stadium would also be a plus.
    
    You only have to think back two seasons to realise what a long way
    Reading have come. Long may this improvement continue.
    
    
    Neil  
    
                                                          
38.1210SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitThu Mar 23 1995 15:388
    Yup,exactly. Reading shouldn`t run before they can walk. I remember
    reading some time ago that Madjeski is aiming for Premier League
    football but in about the next 5 years. They`ve first got to build a
    new stadium (hopefully a decision will be made in the Summer),and get
    the crowds up. I would hope that Reading would only sell players if
    the players themselves want to move on.
    
    
38.1211CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishThu Mar 23 1995 15:5514
    But can Reading ever get the crowds up on a consistent basis? People
    like myself are not going to stop supporting their own teams just for
    Reading. I may go along to watch the occassional game but would not
    consider myself in any way shape or form, a Reading fan. 
    
    There may be a brief increase in attendances if they make the play-offs
    but I would suspect that there would be a drop off back to about
    8-9,000 average gate if Reading didn't lead Div 1 from the start.
    
    The main problem that they face is people prefer to go to places like
    Arsenal, Chelsea, etc rather than attending Reading vs Luton. 
    
    Stuart
    
38.1212Wot bout the WomblesAYOV27::FW_TEMP01John Hussey - Dunure's greatThu Mar 23 1995 16:104
I think Reading (& all small clubs) should be looking at what Wimbledon have
done with arguably less support than Reading.  In the 80's Oxford also did
reasonably well with a similar level of support.

38.1213SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitThu Mar 23 1995 20:263
    Wimbledon are amazing. Got a feeble 5000 crowd and still beat Man City
    2-0.
    
38.1214SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Mar 27 1995 13:437
    Sheffield Utd 1 Reading 1. Another fine result,(though a bit jammy,on all
    accounts).
    
    Now to beat the scum of Swindon on Saturday.
    
    
    
38.1215Bramall Lane.CHEFS::LAINSBURYAMon Mar 27 1995 17:5624
    I wouldn't call it jammy, Sheffield had more of the possession and
    probably more chances but when you have 11 men taller than all
    Reading's players (Shaka excepted) there's always going to be hoof into
    the box and hope type football.
    Reading defended really well but for a slip by Wdovcyk. I think he was
    going to nod the ball back but it didn't bounce high enough. Shaka
    didn;t have a chance.
    The referee was a complete nightmare (not bias, just completely crap).
    At one point Flo was through and Kerr touched him on the arm, so Flo
    did a triple pike double somersault to get the free kick. The referee
    had to either book Flo (right decision) or send off Kerr. He only
    booked Kerr. The Sheffield fans were a bit peeved at this, so 2 minutes
    later Parkinson plays a beautiful basketball style bounce with his hand
    to Nogan, who sends an unstoppable shot past Kelly. Weheyy. Poor old
    aggrieved United fans. 
    As the old cliche goes 'Shaka kept Reading in the game with a string of
    outstanding saves'. He made 2 excellent saves really, but the press
    seem to love him at the moment. Bye bye Shaka at the end of the season
    I think.
    
    Reading are like the Colgate advert at the moment:
    
    'still contending'
                      
38.1216CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishMon Mar 27 1995 17:166
    re .1214
    
    Given that I'm going to the game on Saturday, your confidence in
    beating Swindon may be misplaced 8^)
    
    Stuart$never_seen_Reading_win_this_season
38.1217SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Mar 27 1995 18:189
    Yes,i`m a bit fed up reading "Shaka kept Reading in the game with some
    quite magnificent saves". Well correct me if i`m wrong,but I always
    thought goalkeepers were there to stop balls going into the net. The
    Mirror have a bit of an article on him. They reckon he`s worth 2
    million,and the likes of Newcastle and Forest are sniffing after him.
    He`ll be staying with Reading until either his contract ends,(next
    season),or if Reading get promoted.
    
    
38.1218CHEFS::EDWARDSDMon Mar 27 1995 18:248
    re.1216
    
    Stuart,
    
    Do you find the move from Highbury to Elm Park to be a step up or down
    in your career as a football fan ?
    
    Dave
38.1219CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishMon Mar 27 1995 17:4915
    re .1218
    
    > Do you find the move from Highbury to Elm Park to be a step up or down
    > in your career as a football fan ?
    
    Dave,
    
    In the matches I've seen at Elm Park this season, it has definitely
    been a step downwards. They have been bloody awful. Far worse than any
    dross Arsenal have served up (& that has been a bucketload).
    
    Why do I go? Mainly when Arsenal haven't got a game & spending the
    afternoon shopping does not appeal to me in the slightest. 
    
    Stuart
38.1220Another winPGREEN::CHALFONTMon Apr 03 1995 17:2936
    Reading 3 	Swindon 0
    Lovell
    (29', 31' 89')
    
    A good win made even better by Sheffield Utd losing. Swindon are not a
    good team and once Reading had taken the lead were never really in the
    game.
    
    Archie scored his first hat-trick. He should be placed on the transfer
    list permanently as he always performs best when he is on the list!
    The first was a shot from about 10 yards after the goalkeeper could
    only parry Gilkesy shot. The second was a penalty after Nogan was
    upended by the goalkeeper in a one-on-one situation - why was the
    keeper only booked? The third was a good solo effort in the dying
    minutes with a low shot into the bottom corner. 
    
    McMahon managed to whinge the whole game and did his side no favours at
    all. IMO, Swindon will never be a good team whilst he is their manager
    - he sets such a poor example.
    
    Unfortunately Barnsley also won which means they can overtake us if
    they win their games in hand. However, Sheffield Utd are now four
    points adrift having played the same number of games.
    
    The remaining games are:
    
    Grimsby (A)
    Port Vale (H)
    Luton (A)
    Bolton (H)
    Bristol City (A)
    Charlton (H)
    
    Neil 
    
     
38.1221CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishMon Apr 03 1995 17:5535
38.1222Reserve team next yearIOSG::TYLDESLEYMon Apr 03 1995 18:0817
    re .1220 Archie has apparently asked to come off the transfer list
    immediately :-)
    
    Some local interest - two youngsters - Derek Simpson & Matt Stowell
    have been given one-year contracts for next season - both are local
    lads who've come up through youth football in Reading. There will
    apparently be a reserve team for them to play in next year.
    
    Quinn and Gooding called them into the office on Friday and said "We've
    heard you two like a bit of a drink." Defensively they said "well, only
    one or two after the match". "Good" said Quinn, "because you're coming to
    Bournemouth with the first team on Saturday night."
    
    Other apprentices - Wilkinson (local) and Curran (from Ireland) are being
    let go. 
    Cheers, 
    DaveT
38.1223SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Apr 05 1995 16:006
    Who cares at this stage of the season how Reading perform. As long
    as they churn out 3 points each game that`s all I care about.
    
    Barnsley and Derby are the real threat at the moment. But Barnsley are
    away to Wolves,so hopefully they`ll lose there.
    
38.1224New ground looks like a starter at lastADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKSat Apr 08 1995 20:1911
According to Friday's Evening Post, plans for a new 20,000 seat stadium are in
the pipeline at the Smallmead site in Reading. More information will be made
after the investigation has finished in May.

The target is to have a new ground for the start of the '97/'98 season.

Al

(If I get time, I'll put the full article in on Monday)

Half-time at GRIMsby 0-0
38.1225Shaka for England!PIECES::PCLSC::chalfontPlace holder for NOTESMon Apr 10 1995 19:2620
Grimsby 1 Reading 0

A disappointing result, although according to Ceefax it would have been 
more aptly billed as Grimsby vs Hislop. I assume we weren't in the game 
therefore and it was a fair result.

Fortunately, both Derby and Sheffield Utd also lost and Barnsley drew with 
Wolves. With Bolton, Tranmere and Middlesbrough all winning, it is becoming 
a battle for the fourth play-off spot, with Barnsley having the advantage 
of 2 games in hand over us and being 3 points behind. They also have a 
superior goals for total.

Shaka, not surprisingly, was named in the Division 1 team chosen at the PFA 
awards last night. Was there any competition?
 

Neil

Neil
38.1226wattyCOMICS::HAWLEYIBuddha say: Desire nothingMon Apr 10 1995 21:127
    
    > Was there any competition
    
    Only person I can think of is young David Watson the Barnsley and
    England U21 goalie.
    
    Ian$biased
38.1227PLANS FOR ROYALS' STADIUM UNVEILED ADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKTue Apr 11 1995 18:2669
As Promised here is the article regarding the new stadium:

Taken from:

Reading Evening Post, Friday April 7th (without permission)

PLANS FOR ROYALS' STADIUM UNVEILED

READING Football Club will move to a purpose-built, community stadium, it was
revealed today.

Royals' bosses and the borough council said today that studies are being carried
out on two possible sites for the new pitch and leisure complex - at Smallmead,
on the southern outskirts of Reading.

Although detailed plans have yet to be drawn up, the team hopes the new stadium,
which is likely to hold at least 20,000, will be completed in time for the start
of the 1997/98 season.

Detailed plans  are expected once the study has confirmed that development is
suitable at Smallmead.

Today's announcement is the first positive sign that progress is being made to
relocate the Royals.

But chairman John Madejski warned: "The endeavour is an enormous one and will
not happen over night. We must be patient."

The councils Art & Leisure chairman said: "The new stadium will not just be a
football club but a place for the whole community. It is going to be a very
special complex.

Reading Borough Council, which owns Smallmead, will give the land to the
football club.

"Two possible sites on the land have been identified and are still under
discussion."

John Madejski said: "I am delighted that positive moves are now taking place.
The new football stadium shows our ambition and commitment to take Reading
Football Club to the top."

The chief executive of Reading council said:"We have been working in partnership
with Reading Football Club for some time now and this latest project is the
first step on the road to a new stadium for the club and the community.

"It will benefit everyone. It will ease the pressure on the football club, give
fans a fantastic new venue and attract new visitors to the town."

The study on the sites is being carried out by Arup, a top consulting firm.
It should be completed by May.

The results will then be discussed by the council and football club before any
further progress is made.

                      ********************************

Disappointing result on Saturday.

It appeared that the team were playing like a team in the middle of the table
instead of looking for a promotion challenge. They will have to change their
attitude if they are going to make the fourth play-off place. Lovell missed the
game with a thigh/calf(?) strain picked up in training, and Quinn said that
playing him on Saturday would probably have meant he would have missed the rest
of the season.

Port Vale at home on Saturday. A win is a must. I'll go down if I'm in Reading.

Al
38.1228about time...FORTY2::JONESNeilWed Apr 12 1995 16:1011
    
    One of the biggest problems with building a new stadium is getting
    planning permission. The fact that Reading Borough are involved is a
    good plus-point in this respect. Smallmead is not near and residential
    area (is it?) thus also a plus-point. At the moment the ony access is
    off the Basingstoke Rd but will the Rose Kiln Lane extension provide
    additional access?
    
    Let's hope it happens.
    
    Neil
38.1229Phew !!!SUBURB::RUTHERFORDIAlan Rough's Greatest SlipsWed Apr 12 1995 16:208
    I'm only worried about the near legendary Whitley Whiff !!
    
    In the summer, Smallmead stinks to high heaven !!!
    
    Maybe they can provide fans with pegs :-)
    
    
    Ian.
38.1230KERNEL::WITHALLGWe Don't Do Duvets .......Wed Apr 12 1995 16:599
    
    -2
    
     Just because the Council are involved doesn't make it any
    quicker/easier.  Woking/Woking Council have identified over 100
    possible sites for our new ground and each one has been pooh poohed.
    
    Gary
    
38.1231Game re-arrangedPEKING::ROSECThu Apr 13 1995 20:215
    Reading's, hopefully crucial, game against Bolton has been brought
    forward to the Friday (21st) because of international call-ups for
    Williams, Quinn, Muckateer and McGinley.
    
    
38.1232ADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKThu Apr 13 1995 21:031
What time's kick off??
38.1233SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitTue Apr 18 1995 13:4615
    Reading 3 Port Vale 3
    
    Talk about a game of 2 halves. 1st half was excellent. Dylan Kerr for
    once played some very good football. 2nd half Reading suddenly realised
    that they`re not a fashionable club with lots of fans and money,and 
    played like they should be near the bottom of the table. Thus throwing
    away 2 points.
    
    I don`t think i`ve ever felt so depressed walking out. It was like a
    funeral procession. 
    
    Still,typically of Reading this season they bounced back and beat Luton
    on Monday and Barnsley lost to Grimsby. So Reading are 3 points ahead
    of Grimsby but Grimsby have a game in hand.
    
38.1234MARVIN::MORRELLNooooooo I shall believe.....Tue Apr 18 1995 13:515
    > Grimsby but Grimsby
    	
    	Shouldn't that be Barnsley??
    
    	Rick.
38.1235SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitTue Apr 18 1995 14:326
    Er,yes.
    
    I got my Grimsby and my Barnsley mixed up. These Northern towns are
    all the same to me.
    
    
38.1236MARVIN::MORRELLNooooooo I shall believe.....Tue Apr 18 1995 14:374
    God.. for a moment I thought that there was a chance that Leeds might
    have to go and play in Grimsby.... what a match that would be!! :->
    
    Rick.
38.1237Reading 2 Bolton 1PIECES::PCLSC::chalfontPlace holder for NOTESSun Apr 23 1995 18:3921
Reading 2 Bolton 1

A thoroughly entertaining game which Reading won thanks to a goal from Lee Nogan in the 87th 
minute. Bolton, in my opinion, are the best side to visit Elm Park this year (although I missed 
the Middlesbrough game admittedly) and probably deserved a draw for the way they attacked and 
tried to win the game, especially in the second half.

Reading deservedly took the lead in the 14th minute from a deflected shot by Archie Lovell and 
overall had the better of the first half. Bolton however came out fired up in the second half 
and equalised immediately following what looked like a mistake by Shaka (I must of been dreaming 
surely!!). Reading were then forced on the defensive and only a great goal-line clearance from 
Darius prevented us going 2-1 down. However, just when a draw seemed inevitable, Nogan was put 
through by Simon Osborn and he coolly put the ball away with only the goalkeeper to beat.

A great result watched by the season's best crowd. With Derby, Sheffield Utd and Barnsley all 
drawing, our destiny is now in our own hands. If we beat Bristol City and Charlton, we will 
definately be in the play-offs. 

Neil


38.1238good tryKIRKTN::CPATRICKAt Least Judas,Got A BungSun Apr 23 1995 19:477
    RE-1
    
    Neil,
         That would probably have been a great note if we didn't have
         to try and finish the sentences ourselfes.
    
      SQF Jambo #1
38.1239Ooh err !KIRKTN::JJACKIs coming home to rest at ParadiseSun Apr 23 1995 20:0810
    
    Sid,
    
    Try putting a hand either side of the terminal & giving the plastic &
    good, hard tug...........it should stretch the screen enough for you to
    read the last note
    It certainly works for me. I've been pulling mine for years, and I
    swear it's got bigger 8*))))))))))))
    
    
38.1240SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Apr 24 1995 14:4811
    Who the hell do Reading think they are,beating the darlings of the
    1st Division?
    
    Bolton were excellent. Wave upon wave of attack,leaving my nerves
    shattered and torn. The air turned blue as the referee did his 
    best to give Bolton the equaliser,adding on 5 minutes of injury time
    and giving a dubious free kick from outside the area in the last
    couple of minutes.
    
    The good thing now is that destiny is in Reading`s hands. 

38.1241sorryPGREEN::CHALFONTMon Apr 24 1995 17:478
    re. 1237
    
    Sorry about that. I have never had that problem before when entering a
    note. I haven't got time to re-enter it now but suffice to say it was 
    a great win and, what with other results, means our chances of making the
    play-offs are now in our own hands.
    
    Neil  
38.1242TicketsCHEFS::ROSECTue Apr 25 1995 14:414
    Reading's home game against Charlton on Sunday May 7th is ALL TICKET
    for all areas of the ground.
    
    
38.1243SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitTue Apr 25 1995 16:525
    Uh oh. How about if you have a season ticket,does that still mean
    I have to get a ticket (to accomodate all the glory boys for their
    one game of the season)???
    
    
38.1244Mark McGhee is still a Saint in my book KIRKTN::JJACKIs coming home to rest at ParadiseTue Apr 25 1995 17:029
    
    Mr.Half a Digestive,
    
    If your a season ticket holder, then this SHOULD entitle you to just
    turn up & hand over that particular voucher for that particular match.
    This seems to be the case with other season ticket holders around the
    country.
    
    
38.1245CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishTue Apr 25 1995 17:096
    Aah, but you have to remember that these local boys don't get that many
    all-ticket matches and so they all get confused when it happens. God
    knows what they'd be like in the remote event that they got promoted
    and faced all-ticket games every week.
    
    Stuart
38.1246SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitTue Apr 25 1995 19:016
    Stuart is correct. For the last all ticket match I had to go up to the
    ground and exchange my season ticket ticket for a ticket (if you can
    follow that).
    
    All ticket games are so rare,it`s on the front page of the local rag.
     
38.1247CHEFS::GEORGEMCannibalise LegalbisTue Apr 25 1995 20:054
>>>...so rare,it`s on the front page of the local rag.


I didn't realise the fortean times was into Football...
38.1248Ticket info for Charlton gameADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKWed Apr 26 1995 16:2511
With regards the Charlton game (From last night's Eve. Post - from memory):

All seating tickets have already been sold.

South Bank is for members only. Only 1 ticket per member.

Season Ticket holders do not require another ticket.

Tickets for the away end are only available from Charlton F.C.

Al
38.1249PGREEN::CHALFONTWed Apr 26 1995 17:0526
    On the subject of tickets, whilst the Bristol City game at Ashton Gate
    this Saturday is not all ticket, a large number of Reading fans are
    expected to travel down the M4. Having checked with Bristol City, there
    are apparently 4,500 away spaces available. However, I wouldn't be
    surprised if Reading take at least that number of fans, so my advice to
    anyone going is get there early.
    
    I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't more Reading fans there than
    Bristol City considering they are already doomed.
    
    With respect to the queues to get in to the South Bank last Friday
    evening, the club has created this problem for themselves and
    consequently had to make the Charlton match all ticket. Up until the
    New Year, you had to have and use a membership card to get into the South
    Bank. For some reason they abandoned the need to use the card and so, when
    a large crowd boosted by the one-off fans occurs, the world and his mate
    can get onto the South Bank. Consequently members were locked out and were
    not too happy to say the least. Now for the final game there is a need
    to reintroduce the use of the card and make the game all ticket to
    cater for the increased demand.
    
    Goodness knows what will happen next season should we get promoted.
    
    
    Neil   
                                                    
38.1250CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishWed Apr 26 1995 17:107
    Neil,
    
    If Reading get promoted, I predict that ticketing will not be a problem
    as you will suddenly find that there will be 10,000= season ticket
    holders.
    
    Stuart
38.1251 SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Apr 28 1995 14:5613
    Did anyone see Reading featured on Sky Soccer News yesterday??
    
    They had an interview with Mickey Gooding and Shaka (God) Hislop about
    the state of Elm Park and their chances of promotion. Shaka reckons 
    Reading are a bit of a roll at the moment,and quite fancies their
    chances. Mickey reckons questions about how they`re going to fare
    against the likes of Man Utd and capacity crowds etc is a luxury
    problem which he`s looking forward to. Which is fair enough.
    
    They also interviewed Judas McGee,who has no regrets leaving. ha! Maybe
    in public,but i`m sure he sits quietly over a bottle of whisky and
    thinks what might have been.
    
38.1252CHEFS::GEORGEMCannibalise LegalbisFri Apr 28 1995 15:394
McGhee also said that he reckons Reading would go straight back down unless 
they were prepared to invest millions in their first premiership season.  
They'd have to get some pretty major sponsorship to manage that, I should 
think.
38.1253CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishFri Apr 28 1995 16:267
    Alternatively, Madjeski could break his vow never to go nuts with the
    cheque book. I'd have to agree with McGhee's assessment, Readings
    current squad just isn't good enough for the Premiership. The thought
    of barring promotion/relegation because a club doesn't have good enough
    facilities/players suddenly doesn't seem such a bad idea.
    
    Stuart             
38.1254If you're all going to Bristol..CHEFS::ROSECFri Apr 28 1995 17:5541
    It's very interesting to read the views of REAL Reading fans and those
    that have a) joined the bandwagon over the last two/three seasons or b)
    those that attend around 3 or 4 games a season.
    
    To be even considering how Reading would maintain Premiership standard
    is almost unbelieveable.  Waht they have acheived over the last few
    years is nothing short of remarkable.  And then there is the slight
    facts that a) Reading are not in the play-offs yet, b) the tiny matter
    of a two-legged affair with either Wolves/Bolton or Tranmere and c) if
    they manage all that, then they still have to win at Wembley!!
    
    If you win Division One or win through via the play-offs then you
    DESERVE the right to play in the Premiership.  You should also be
    allowed the time to either upgrade your stadium or move (this was the
    option given to all the top flight clubs at the time, so why not those
    that win their way through to the top flight).
    
    The huge gulf in the Premiership means that you will always have (at
    least until another Jack Walker comes along) the same 7/8 clubs who are
    the only ones with a realistic chance of winning the league.  Then
    there are half a dozen clube who normally survive - then there are the
    remainder who will annually fight for their lives.  It's a fact.
    
    Maybe someone could explain Reading's option to me?
    
    If they go up, they are told they are not ready, the ground hasn't got
    enough armchairs, the exec boxes don't do salmon sandwiches etc etc.
    
    If they stay down, they are likely to be forced to sell Shaka, Super Si
    etc and will the opportunity come around again so quickly (bearing in
    mind it has taken 124 years to get this far).
    
    Just go for it - what is there to lose!
    
    And if it means that the Premiership lose one of their darlings for a
    year (and get replaced by a "small" club - Tranmere/Reading) then....
    ......TOUGH S***
    
    
    
 
38.1255FORTY2::FOWLERMGrimsby Liberation FrontFri Apr 28 1995 18:177
I think play-offs contribute to the fact that the div 1 teams go straight back
down. They are a completely stupid idea. The team that does best over the season
would be far better equipped to cope with the rigours of Premiership life than a
potential giant killer who sneaks in via the play-offs. Reading should have no
chance of going up.

Mike
38.1256 SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Apr 28 1995 18:2012
    I agree. Reading didn`t get to (we all hope after tomorrow) a play off
    position by luck. They got there by being the 4th or 5th best team over the 
    course of the season. 
    
    Plus I don`t see why they couldn`t hold their own. I agree that 8 or 9
    teams could wop their proverbials,but Reading could do enough to hold
    their own a la Wimbledon. I`d hate it if Madjeski did a Jack Walker,
    all the character of the club would go.
    
    Call me naive? Many people said Reading would struggle in the 1st Division
    and be lucky to stay up.
    
38.1257 SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Apr 28 1995 18:2812
    That`s agreement to 1254 not 1255.
    
    Reading aren`t a giant killer. This isn`t the FA Cup  we`re
    talking about. Plus Reading haven`t sneaked in,I don`t think they
    could have been outside the top 6 more than 2 or 3 times in the
    season.
    
    Apologies that a more fashionable club like Derby or Sheffield Utd
    aren`t up there. But tough monkeys.
    
    
    
38.1258ADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKFri Apr 28 1995 18:3618
According to last weeks program,

since the 3rd game of the season Reading have only been out of the top 6 for 1
week, 8th around Xmas time I think

It has been such a tight race this year that the Play-Offs are potentially going
to be very exciting affairs, and will be an apt finish to a superb season.

However, I do think the idea of a team that finishes 15 or so points behind the
team in the first play-off position getting promoted totally through the
play-offs is totally unfair, a la Burnley/Stockport County last year in Div 2.
I think that in order to qualify for the play-offs you have to be within say 5
points of each other.

Still deciding whether to make the trip down the motorway tomorrow. Could be one
hell of a party come 4:40.

Al
38.1259CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishFri Apr 28 1995 18:3639
38.1260CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishFri Apr 28 1995 18:394
    Apologies but I was referring to note .1254 specifically when I typed
    the last entry but I s'pose it refers to .1256 as well.
    
    Stuart
38.1261Well I like 'emAYOV27::FW_TEMP01John Hussey - Dunure's greatFri Apr 28 1995 18:5115
Although potentially unfair I think the play-off system is a good one in 
keeping interest in the season going for a lot of clubs and because of
that increasing crowds.  If Reading weren't in the I bet you would be
watching the Rugby League on TV tomorrow instead.

Everyone knows the rules at the start of the season and so should except them.
I think the rule that hurts Div 1 sides most is the goals scored rule. 
Although increasing entertainment, the performance of the promoted teams
in the Premiership is that it doesn't equipe them defensively for the
better teams.  For example, Wolves & Tranmere have let in over 60 goals
in the league this season.  In the Premiership that number of goals 
against leads straight to relegation.

I think that Reading & Bolton look like the teams who are good enough
defensively to be able to stay in the Premier.
38.1262CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishFri Apr 28 1995 18:548
    > If Reading weren't in the I bet you would be watching the Rugby
    > League on TV tomorrow instead.
    
    Er, Nope, I'd still be toddling off up to Highbury to see the Boys end
    the Tott's dreams of Europe.
    
    Stuart
    
38.1263Re. stadiumsAYOV27::FW_TEMP01John Hussey - Dunure's greatFri Apr 28 1995 19:1511
Stuart,

I think a club promoted from Div 2 has 3 years to get its stadium up to
scratch.  However, I do think that their should be some sort of criteria
governing the standard of ground required for the Premiership due to the
larger crowds involved.  I don't know much about Reading's ground but
places like Southend (not that it will be a problem for them) couldn't
cope with Premier attendances safely.

However, it will be sad if there are other criteria involved with 
promotion other than on the pitch.
38.1264SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Apr 28 1995 19:1920
    Saying the top 2 teams should go up is fine if the team you support are
    in the top 2. It would make a rather boring season for the other 20 teams 
    in the league though.
    
    As for their ground,there`s not much point in improving it as there is
    no room for expansion. (It`s in the middle of a built up residential
    area). The only option is to move sites,which Reading have been looking
    into for a while now. I guess they haven`t done anything about it
    before as no one expected Reading to be in the position they are in.
    
    Anyway,i`m sure away fans will love the nostalgia of standing on
    uncovered terraces in the freezing cold and rain. (In the vain hope
    Reading do get promoted).
    
    That`s the trouble with the Premier League - it`s made fans go soft. 
    ho!ho!
    
    
    
    
38.1265CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishFri Apr 28 1995 19:2313
    John,
    
    Readings ground can safely be described as on a par with Stenhousemuirs
    (I caught a glimpse of their ground on Skys Scottish Cup highlights). I
    cannot think of a worse ground that I have been too in the last 2
    years. I would imagine that it is certainly amongst the worst in Div 1.
    
    It consists of 3 sides terracing (only 1 is covered). I am surprised
    that the stand passed the fire regulations as it seems to be all wooden
    seating. As for the executive boxes, I would be embarrased to entertain
    clients/customers in them. 
    
    Stuart
38.1266XSTACY::FUNBOX::jLuNdOnhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Apr 28 1995 19:367
Re -1

> clients/customers

What kind of clients would those be then Stu?

                       James.
38.1267The pimping business is going well at the momentCHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishFri Apr 28 1995 19:409
    > What kind of clients would those be then Stu?
    
    Jimbo,
    
    I was referring to them in the Corporate entertaining sense. I can't
    comment on any others on the grounds that I may be incriminating
    myself.
    
    Stuart
38.1268XSTACY::FUNBOX::jLuNdOnhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Apr 28 1995 19:5311
re -1

Stock in trade response!  Did you have to get that response
approved by the local VP before posting ;-).

So does DEC...sorry Digital...have an executive box at Reading?

Impress Bob P. the next time he's over with a visit to the 
"field of dreams"?

                        James.
38.1269A complete absence of smiley thingsCHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishFri Apr 28 1995 20:0510
    James,
    
    Rather surprisingly, Digital doesn't have any advertising that I've seen at
    the ground. Maybe they think that their target audience doesn't attend
    football matches at Reading.
    
    Hmm, given the varying levels of pond-life I've seen at Elm Park they
    could be right.
    
    Stuart
38.1270FORTY2::FOWLERMGrimsby Liberation FrontFri Apr 28 1995 20:4313
Saying the play offs are bad for the top two teams but good for all the other
teams that can't get that high proves my point. It's just a way for crap teams
to get promoted. Let's face it; there's a massive gulf between the Prem and Div
1, and Leicester, Swindon, etc. prove it. Forest are an exception because they
had money. Whatever team wins the play off this year will get stuffed week in,
week out and then come straight back down unless the respective chairperson
invests tons of cash in the team.

The ground restriction means that if Reading go up, they'll have to ground share
with either Swindon or some London club. People are entirely likely to want to
travel for hours to watch their team get pummelled by Coventry, and pigs fly.

Mike
38.1271KERNEL::WITHALLGWe Don't Do Duvets .......Fri Apr 28 1995 21:3315
    
    
    Re groundshare....
    
    Unfair -    Chester shared with Macclesfield. Macclesfield win the GMV
    but aren't allowed to share with Chester ??????????  even though
    Chester offered. ????????.   Brentford considered the same with Woking 
    but again the FA said no way. Kidderminster last year had the offer
    from Birmingham to share  and again the FA say no.
    
    It seems that league clubs can play in down scaled stadiums but these 
    small clubs can't play in upgraded facilities ???,
    
    
    Gary 
38.1272GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Mon May 01 1995 12:116
    
    	I believe Reading's win on Saturday puts them into 2nd place &
    guarentees them a place in the playoffs given the results of the other
    teams around them (ie. they cannot be caught by the 6th placed team).
    
    JBG
38.1273What an atmospherePGREEN::CHALFONTMon May 01 1995 13:0931
    Yet another great win, although the Reading fans should take as much
    credit for the result as the players. There were approximately 5000
    Reading fans and this outnumbered the Bristol City fans. The atmosphere
    was superb and was only slightly deflated at the end of the match when
    the Barnsley result came through meaning we are still not assured of
    our play-off spot.
    
    We took the lead after about 15 minutes when Archie Lovell headed in a
    Super Si free kick from the left. The pitch was awful and didn't allow
    Reading to play their passing game with the same purpose and confidence
    as normal. Lee Nogan scored the second goal early in the second half
    again from an Osborn free kick deflecting the ball through the
    goalkeeper's legs. Only a mistake from Shaka in the last five minutes
    (that the second in two weeks - what is happening?!) allowed Bristol
    City to score in the last five minutes which resulted in a tense final
    few minutes.
    
    However, we are now second behind Middlesbrough who now look sure to be
    Champions. With Bolton and Tranmere losing and Wolves only drawing,
    everything has tightened up but Reading know their destiny is in their
    own hands. If they win on Sunday against Charlton, they will be certain
    of a play-off spot. However, if Barnsley fail to beat Oldham tomorrow
    night, then again we will be assured of a place. Indeed, on current
    form Tranmere look the most likely team to miss out especially since
    their final two games are against Wolves and Middlesbrough. There is
    still a lot to play for.
                           
    
    Neil   
    
    
38.1274 SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon May 01 1995 14:147
    It makes you wonder where Reading would be if Simon Osborn hadn`t been
    injured for most of the season. He`s set up something like 4 out of the
    last 5 goals for Reading,including the crucial 1-0 against Luton and
    the 87th minute effort against Bolton.
    
    2nd,probably. ha!
        
38.1275SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon May 01 1995 20:265
    I hear the final game against Charlton is already sold out. Any confirmation
    of this?
    
    
    
38.1276CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishMon May 01 1995 20:352
    According to the local media it is. Rumour control had it live on TV.
    Is this right?
38.1277Should be live!!!ADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKMon May 01 1995 21:0217
I wouldn't be surprised to see the game on Meridian & LWT, as Reading are the
only team in the south with any chance for the play-offs.

Then again, as Reading are involved they'll probably show Stenhousemuir v
Brechin :-).

I don't really care, 'cos I've got my ticket.

So tomorrow I'll be a Latics fan (they're playing Barnsley), and if they let us
down, it'll be the Wolves on Wednesday & Middlesbrough on Sunday (Both v
Tranmere). 

Off course, it'll be academic as Reading will stuff Charlton on Sunday anyway
(whenever Royals have been live on TV they've won so they have to keep up the
100% record).

Al
38.1278Tactic no 1WOTVAX::HARDYPMon May 01 1995 21:197
    Chaps,
    
    Reading's aim should be to NOT finish second as every year the team
    below the automatic spot looses in the play-offs just so people can
    whinge about how unfair life is!
    
    Peter
38.1279CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishTue May 02 1995 12:406
    > Then again, as Reading are involved they'll probably show
    > Stenhousemuir v Brechin :-).
    
    Somehow I think that would be a more interesting match 
    
    Stuart
38.1280TRUCKS::SANTNo sleep 'til bedtimeTue May 02 1995 14:2215
    
    	Bit uncharitable, Stuart...
    
    	Whenever Reading have been on ITV this season (=infrequently,
    	they'd seem to rather show Portsmouth or Swindon) they've played
    	attractive passing football. I've never seen either of the two
    	Scottich clubs you mention, so I couldn't compare them...
    
    	If Reading earn promotion then so be it. If they come crashing
    	back down there'll be enough "told you so's" to re-paper my toilet,
    	which will be necessary to cover up all the PANES notes I've
    	printed off and used this year ;-)
    
    	Andy.
                             
38.1281Space on South BankPGREEN::CHALFONTTue May 02 1995 16:3914
    According to last night's Evening Post, there are still tickets for the
    South Bank (i.e for membership card holders only). As pointed out in my
    note following the Bolton game, Reading have quickly realised the need
    to reinstate the use membership cards. They also had the good sense to
    postpone the issuing of new cards to avoid a rush on people spending an
    extra pound just to get your ticket for the Charlton game.
    
    Unfortunately, bad planning before Christmas means I am away this
    weekend. However, I have every confidence in Oldham beating Barnsley
    tonight meaning that Sunday's match will not be quite as important as it
    might have been. I hope therefore that the match is televised on Sunday.
    
    Neil
    
38.1282SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitTue May 02 1995 16:504
    I dreamt last night the score would be Barnsley 0 Oldham 2.
    
    We`ll see.
    
38.1283We're in the playoffs!PGREEN::CHALFONTWed May 03 1995 12:4030
    Reading are now confirmed in the playoffs as Barnsley and Oldham drew
    1-1 last night. 
    
    The current League Table is as follows
    
                  Played   Points
    Middlesbrough 45       81    
    Reading       45       76
    Bolton        44       75
    Wolves        44       74
    Tranmere      44       74
    Barnsley      45       71
    
    The remaining games are as follows:
    
    Tonight:
    Tranmere v Wolves
    Stoke v Bolton
    
    Sunday
    Tranmere v Middlesbrough
    Reading v Charlton
    Burnley v Bolton
    Southend vs Barnsley
    Wolves v ?
    
    Does anyone know the playoff dates?
    
    
    Neil
38.1284CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishWed May 03 1995 14:096
    Don't know about the play-off dates but Wolves are at home to Swindon
    on the last day of the season. The final is usually the Bank Holiday
    Monday at the end of the Season so I would guess that the semis are
    probably a week Wednesday and the following Wednesday
    
    Stuart
38.1285Play-offsAYOV27::FW_TEMP01John Hussey - Dunure's greatWed May 03 1995 14:299
Stuart,

Play-off finals are indeed on the last weekend of May at Wembley

3rd Div - Sat 27th May
2nd Div - Sun 28th May
1st Div - Mon 29th May

If its like previous years, the semi-finals will in the week from 16th May.
38.1287 SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed May 03 1995 14:418
    Top result last night. I cracked open a bottle of champagne to
    celebrate. Well,had a glass of water anyway.
    
    Odd how the mind works. Now instead of thinking "great! What an
    achievement - little old Reading have reached the play-offs". Now
    it`s "What if Reading fail to get to Wembley - how depressing".
    
    
38.1288NewsADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKWed May 03 1995 17:3719
The decision as to whether sunday's game is to be televised will be made
tomorrow morning, obviously dependent on results tonight.

Both Meridian & Carlton have expressed an interest in showing the game.

Royals have been told that they will not be able to use their training ground as
of next monday, due to some pathetic legal wrangling by Oxford Council. They
deemed it necessary to tell the guy who owns the training ground at Whithchurch
(Nr. Pangbourne) that it was not lawful to erect the lights and the goalposts,
and they are to be taken down on monday. Great timing eh!!

I reckon that the leader of Oxford council supports Oxford Utd, and is being a
complete pain in the a**e as Reading are doing SOOOOOOO well and Oxford aren't.

I rang the Royals this morning and told them they could use my back garden :-)

Looking forward to the party atmosphere on Sunday.

Al
38.1289nimbysIOSG::TYLDESLEYWed May 03 1995 18:0327
    Hi Al.
    I think the decision by South Oxon Council stinks. Though it's not
    uncommon, as they traditionally have had very little sympathy with
    football requests in the past (e.g. they refused any expansion of
    Peppard's ground, so that they could transition to the Diadora; as a
    result, they lost all their players to Thame, and plummetted down the
    Parasol league in one season). 
    
    The Whitchurch ground has been 'loaned' on a friendly basis by Maurice
    Deaner (I think he's in marine salvage) for several years, and youth
    football in Reading has benefitted greatly by it, as well as the first
    team squad. The pitches are immaculate, and the youth and reserve teams
    play all their home games there. What is more annoying is that the
    floodlights are specifically of the removable sort which can be lowered
    and rolled away on trolleys. They are also not used much at this time
    of year, and there is nothing else there that really indicates that it
    is used for football.
    
    I can only imagine that some old buffer in the neighbourhood has
    complained to S. Oxon Council about the occasional increased traffic
    that goes in and out of this private grounds. I can see no other reason
    for this sudden decision, with its perfect timing!
    
    I know which party I won't be voting for in the forthcoming local 
    elections....
    
    Mr. Angry of South Oxfordshire
38.1290HBFDT1::SCHARNBERGSenior KodierwurstThu May 04 1995 15:113
    
    How many teams will go down from premier league and how does Reading
    have to perform in the playoffs to get promoted ?
38.1291ZUR01::ASHGrahame Ash @RLEThu May 04 1995 15:298
Hi Heiko,

It's 4 down and 2 up. Middlesbrough are promoted, and Reading have to win the 
playoffs - a home and away match,and the final at Wembley.

I wish them all the best!

grahame
38.1292SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitThu May 04 1995 17:0313
    Bolton only managed a draw at Stoke,and Wolves drew with Tranmere. This
    means Reading are joint 2nd with Bolton as they approach the last
    hurdle.
    
    But more to the point,it means I win 60 quid off Gary Waite. Before the
    season started we bet Reading would be above West Bromich Albion (10
    quid) and Reading would reach the play-offs (50 quid).
    
    An outrageous bet at time (he was winding me up something chronic),
    but it certainly paid off in the end. ha!!
    
    
    
38.1293CHEFS::ROSECThu May 04 1995 17:4615
    Talking of bets - I had a 20 quid bet with our placement student that
    Reading would finish above Bristol City this year.
    
    
    He paid me in March!!!!!!!!
    
    
    After this Sunday's games Reading will know who they have to play in
    the play-offs and who are at home first.  It's looking like the
    play-offs will be....
    
    Wolves v Reading 
    Tranmere v Bolton
    
    
38.1294GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Thu May 04 1995 17:515
    
    Give my regards to young Gary.......after you've taken the money off
    him 8-)
    
    JBG
38.1295MARVIN::MORRELLNooooooo I shall believe.....Thu May 04 1995 19:255
    Say hi to Gary for me... & make sure that he don't give you any funny
    money.... you can never be too careful with those West Brom
    supporters.... *:-)
    
    	Rick.
38.1296FORTY2::FOWLERMGrimsby Liberation FrontThu May 04 1995 21:004
Tell him I look forward to seeing the Villa stuff the Baggies out of sight (ooh
er missus) at the Park next season. 8-) / 8-(

Mike
38.1297SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitTue May 09 1995 13:547
    The play-offs should be banned. Play-offs mean that mickey mouse teams
    who are not worthy of the Premiership could sneak in. It should be only
    the top 2 teams who get promoted.
    
    ho!ho! Reading 2 Chalton 1. Due to all the other teams drawing,Reading
    finish the season in 2nd place. 
    
38.1298MARVIN::MORRELLNooooooo I shall believe.....Tue May 09 1995 14:249
    >Reading finish the season in 2nd place.
    
    	The only problem being that in all the previous 1st/old 2nd
    division playoffs, no team that finished one place off automatic
    promotion has every won in the playoffs.....
    
    	I hope Reading do win the final... I fancy a day at Wembley.... :->
    
    Rick.
38.1299Scrap the Play-offs :-)ADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKTue May 09 1995 15:0244
Reading 2	Charlton 1
Nogan		Chandler
Williams

Not a classic by any stretch of the imagination. After a bright start, Reading
took the foot off the pedal, and for much of the game let Charlton take the game
to them.

Reading took the lead on six minutes, when Mick Gooding stole the ball in
midfield, and threaded a perfectly weighted ball to Nogan who waited for the
keeper to commit himself before chipping it into the net.

Charlton deservedly equalised after 75 minutes through Chandler, making his
debut, after a corner. The marking was diabolical. All the defenders crowded
around Leeburn, and it allowed a free header, which was perfectly placed in the
corner, over Gooding(?). This had followed a spell, when Player of the Season,
Shaka Hislop, had made 3 absolutley stunning saves. Standing in the Tilehurst
end they all looked certain goals, but when you're in form.... Peter Osgood
likened him to Gordon Banks, which is praise indeed.

This sparked Reading into life, a little, and Nogan almost scored directly from
the restart, and then in a final push in the dying minutes, a long corner from
Tom Jones, was connected by Adie Williams on the penalty spot, and bulleted the
ball into the bottom corner past the despairing dive of the keeper.

Seconds later Williams made a match winning tackle on the six yard line.

Anyone know why Andy Bernal was taken off. There was nothing in the Post, and he
was one of the best players on the park yesterday. I reckon he must have been
struggling after receiving a knock in the first half. Michael Gilkes was
complete S***e. He seemed completely uninterested all game, usually you get 2/3
minutes of inspiration. I don't recall him making one run at the defense of note.

A great atmosphere at the ground, and I just hope the Reading were saving their
best for next week. If they play like they did yesterday in any of the play-off
games, they won't get through.

It's hard to believe that we finished second. I don't believe we're the second
best in the division, but after 46 games, I'm not going to argue.

I've been trying to get through to the ticket office since 9am this morning and
I'm just about fed up with the engaged tone.

Al
38.1300CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishTue May 09 1995 15:025
    re .1298
    
    Rick yer just a glory boy ;-)
    
    Stuart
38.1301MARVIN::MORRELLNooooooo I shall believe.....Tue May 09 1995 15:063
    Sure am.... :->
    
    Rick.
38.1302SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitTue May 09 1995 15:1610
    .1299 It wasn`t Reading at their best. But who can blame them in that
    heat,and bearing in mind they don`t want any injuries for the
    play-offs. Plus Charlton had a lot of young lads (average age of 22)
    who can run around a lot.
    
    I wouldn`t dare make any predictions for the play-offs against
    Tranmere,but at least Reading have got a full squad (apart from
    Hopkins). So there won`t be any "if only Williams could have played..
    if only Osbourn could have played" etc.
    
38.1303PGREEN::CHALFONTTue May 09 1995 17:379
    Just been down to the ground to get my ticket and there is a 4 hour
    long queue and since, I obviously couldn't wait that long, I am now in
    despair as to how I can get a ticket. I am away on business tomorrow so
    that doesn't help. It's all those end of season supporters who just
    turn up for the big games and wouldn't dream of standing on the
    terraces during January or February. Apparently they have taken the
    phone off the hook as well!
    
    Neil
38.1304Rick, you're not alone then!CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishTue May 09 1995 17:411
    
38.1305The phone is not off the hook!!!!ADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKTue May 09 1995 19:0110
I just got through on the phone, so don't give up hope yet.

Once I got the ringing tone, it was another  minute or so before it was picked
up.

I may have a spare for the away game, I'll put in another reply if it is.

Al (relieved of Tilehurst)

P.S. How do I get to Tranmere's ground???
38.1306A relieved manPGREEN::CHALFONTThu May 11 1995 16:408
    I have just been down to the ground, queued for 5 minutes and got one
    of the last twenty South Bank tickets. What a relieved person I am.
    
    In effect, both the home and away games ar now sold out, although any
    unclaimed season ticket holders tickets will be available to anyone on
    Saturday morning at 9am.
    
    Neil
38.1307Tranmere 1 Reading 3PGREEN::CHALFONTMon May 15 1995 12:4848
    Tranmere 1       Reading 3
    Malkin 15'	     Lovell 9',81'
                     Nogan 74'
    
    A superb performance with Reading totally outplaying Tranmere from
    start to finish. The Reading players received a standing ovation at the
    end of the game - from the Tranmere fans!
    
    Hopefully this performance will enable Reading to receive the
    recognition in the media that they deserve, although it would appear
    the TV pundits are beginning to realise why we finished in the league
    where we did. 
    
    Archie Lovell scored the first in the 9th minute when a defensive error
    following a long kick from Shaka allowed him to score from outside the
    box.
    
    Tranmere scored a good equaliser on 15 minutes when both Michael Gilkes
    and Simon Osborn lost out on the right to Morrisey whose cross was well
    met by Malkin, who beat Adie Williams, giving Shaka no chance.
    
    The remainder of the first half was fairly even although a deliberate
    back pass which Nixon, the Tranmere goalkeeper, picked up was overruled
    by a linesman for offside - a dubious decision.
    
    Reading however were totally dominant in the second half and it was
    only a matter of time before we scored. Both Archie and Scott Taylor
    had missed excellent chances before Lee Nogan scored an excellent goal.
    Cutting in from the left he played an excellent one-two with Scott
    Taylor before shooting past Nixon. I was one who doubted the wisdom of
    signing Nogan after his first month, but during the past 10 games he
    has been superb.
    
    Archie scored the third when another shot by Nogan was parried by the
    goalkeeper and Archie was on hand to thump the ball home.
    
    The only worrying moment was when Shaka inexplicably picked the ball up
    from a back-pass in the 4th minute of extra time (how there were four
    minutes of extra time I will never know). Fortunately from 10 yards out
    Tranmere failed to score.
    
    The whole team performance was brilliant, although Mick Goding
    deservedly won the Man of the Match award. He worked tiredlessly
    throughout the game and led by example.
    
    Perhaps the dream will become reality.
    
    Neil 
38.1308SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon May 15 1995 13:5310
    Great game (I watched it on TV) and I thought the away support were
    very loud.
    
    Reading don`t want to get complacent though and lose 3-0 at home,
    though I think that`s unlikely as Tranmere looked devoid of ideas.
    
    I celebrated each goal by pulling my Reading shirt off and running
    round the room waving it wildly over my head. Very Duncan Ferguson.
     
    
38.1309re shirt/Dunk the Drunk...TRUCKS::SANTNo sleep 'til bedtimeMon May 15 1995 13:564
    
    	....and then head-butting the postman! ;-)
    
    	Andy.
38.1310ADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKMon May 15 1995 15:4621
Superb day out.

As Neil said, Reading Played Tranmere off the pitch for most of the game,
especially the 2nd half.

The Noise generated by the Reading fans was superb, I only recall hearing the
Tranmere fans 2/3 times throughout the game.

Gooding was my MoM too. Everytime we got into difficulty, he was there to clean
up, and on numerous occasions turned nasty looking defensive situations into
good attacking moves, especially with his 1 touch stuff.

The day was almost ruined on the M53, when it went down to 2 lanes. Loads of
burnt rubber, and worn out brake pads, as loads of cars screeched to a halt from
70+ in 20 yards!!!! when it went from 3 to 1 lane.


Looking forward to wednesday. If they play like they did yesterday then Wembley
then the premiership is a certainty.

Al
38.1311MARVIN::MORRELLLeeds United FC Greatest team in football the world has everseenMon May 15 1995 16:016
    When will the tickets for Wembley go on sale if Reading make it through
    the match on Wednesday....??
    
    	Do away goals count double in the playoffs??
    
    	Rick. 
38.1312SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon May 15 1995 16:175
    I would guess that in order for Tranmere to go through,they would
    have to beat Reading 3-0.
    
    Am I correct??
    
38.1313PGREEN::CHALFONTMon May 15 1995 16:2210
    Rick,
    
    No date has been mentioned as yet because I don't suppose anyone wants
    to count their chickens...
    
    Yes, away goals do count in the event of a draw. Therefore as things
    stand Reading can afford to lose 2-0 on Wednesday and still go through.
    However, this won't happen!
    
    Neil
38.1314HBFDT1::SCHARNBERGSenior KodierwurstMon May 15 1995 16:451
    How was the other playoff ?
38.1315ADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKMon May 15 1995 16:541
Wolves 2 - Bolton 1
38.1316CHEFS::GEORGEMCannibalise LegalbisMon May 15 1995 17:564
Excellent performance from Reading, I thought.  The game was played at a 
frantic pace, and they thoroughly deserved the margin of victory.  Fingers 
crossed for the 2nd leg and hopefully the final....ooohh....it's getting 
exciting...
38.1317What a day outCHEFS::ROSECMon May 15 1995 18:0315
    I understand that IF Reading get through to Wembley, and the play-off
    Final, then each club gets 34,000 tickets.  Reading will put their
    tickets on sale Friday morning, if all goes according to plan.
    
    Yesterday was a superb day.  The noise in the ground was
    unbelievable, and the motorway going home was packed with car's
    parrading the colours of Reading.
    
    On Wednesday Reading should play exactly as they did on Sunday -
    cavalier attitude and go for goals.
    
    May 29th could be a good day out!
    
    
    
38.1318KERNEL::WITHALLGWe Don't Do Duvets .......Wed May 17 1995 12:467
    
    It may be a touch late now but  210fm ?   have said that Tranmere
    returned over a thousand tickets yesterday for tonights 2nd leg.
    First come first served.
    
    
    Gary
38.1319SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed May 17 1995 13:344
    John Aldridge may well be out with an achilles injury.
    
    Shame that.
    
38.1320We on our way to Wembley!PGREEN::CHALFONTThu May 18 1995 12:3924
    Reading 0  Tranmere 0
    
    Not a classic but who cares, because we're on our way to Wembley!
    
    A game of very few chances, although Reading had the best chance when
    Scott Taylor was clean through having run from his own penalty area but
    then shot weakly and the goalkeeper had a good save. Taylor is so
    inconsistent when it comes to finishing - all the clear cut chances he
    misses and all the difficult ones he scores from.
    
    Reading's defence was superb as it has been most of the season but
    especially over the last 10 games or so. Personally, I think Keith
    McPherson has been magnificent since he came back into the side. He has
    completely marked Aldridge out of the last two games (and he did a
    similar job against McGinlay of Bolton). He rarely misses a tackle and
    is good in the air. I also thought Jeff Hopkins had a great game last
    night having to come on so early in place of Adie. 
    
    Tickets go on sale tomorrow at 12 noon from the South Bank turnstiles,
    although there is also a credit booking line - 01734 507878.
    
    Neil
    
    PS We are playing Bolton who beat Wolves 2-0 (3-2 on aggregate).   
38.1321GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Thu May 18 1995 12:407
    
    Reading will play Bolton in the 1st Div play off final at Wembley.
    Reading drew 0:0 with Tranmere last night to go through 3:1 on
    aggregate. Bolton beat Wolves 2:0 to go through 2:1 on aggregate. The
    winning goal came in extra time.
    
    JBG
38.1322GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Thu May 18 1995 12:402
    
    Clang!!!
38.1323no goalsIOSG::TYLDESLEYThu May 18 1995 12:5815
    Poor game, good atmosphere last night. I thought the tackles early on,
    on Adrian Williams and another on Bernal, were bookable. Williams
    subsequently went off from his injury. 
    
    Reading seemed to create a lot of chances down the left in the second
    half, but failed to do anything constructive when they got there. They
    didn't chase much, and seemed content to keep their shape and not give
    anything away. 
    
    Lots of bookings in second half, and one Tranmere player sent off. Some
    good chants about Aldridge and McGhee from the South Bank. 20 arrests
    after the match - mostly drink-related. Record crowd - 13,245.
    
    Roll on Bolton...
    DaveT
38.1324SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitThu May 18 1995 13:367
    It still seems amazing that Reading are 90 minutes away from playing
    in the Premier League. 
    
    That Oxfordshire Council are a miserable bunch of tossers. On the local
    news they had a shot of Reading practising in the local park due to a
    lack of training ground. Ridiculous.
    
38.1325ADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKThu May 18 1995 14:466
Any news about Adie's injury??

I thought we'd be in trouble once he'd gone off, but Hopkins had a great game. I
guess it was his chance to book a place in the Wembley line up.

Al
38.1326TRUCKS::SANTNo sleep 'til bedtimeThu May 18 1995 14:498
    
    	Record crowd??? RUBBISH!!
    
    	I was at Elm Park in '79 along with 26,000 others to see them draw
    	0-0 with Southampton in League Cup 4th round. There must have been
    	bigger crowds in the past, too.
    
    	Andy.
38.1327okIOSG::TYLDESLEYThu May 18 1995 14:574
    errr. yes - 'spose so, but that's what was quoted over the tannoy - 
    I can only think that it means with the ground under current seating
    arrangements.           
    dt
38.1328ADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKThu May 18 1995 16:211
Probably record receipts....!!
38.1329I think I'm still dreaming....IMAPC::SYSTEMVirus FREE. No DECnet, No PathworksThu May 18 1995 17:0313
    Someone with a Rothmans yearbook will correct me but...
    
    I think the all time crowd record at Elm park is either 27 or 37,000
    against Brentford during the 20's or 30's I think. 
    
    Perhaps. Maybe. :-)
    
    P 
    
    God I wish I was in England on the 29th. Almost worth getting a flight
    back just for the occasion :-(
    
    
38.1330Someone called me ?YUPPY::ANDERSONREuro-Cup &amp; Relegation DoubleThu May 18 1995 17:214
     19th February 1927 to be precise; 33,042 saw the F.A. cup 5th round
    tie between the two aforementioned clubs.
    
    
38.1331Is that a Dressing Gown hanging by your desk?YUPPY::PATEMANRunnin' on EmptyThu May 18 1995 17:254
    Statto....Statto.....Statto....
    
    ps - why aren't you out talking to Colworth about TurboLaser?!?!
    
38.1332Where are the applications to run on it ?YUPPY::ANDERSONREuro-Cup &amp; Relegation DoubleThu May 18 1995 17:3410
    
    ....cos I'm doing that tomorrow, see !
    
    Hit next unseen now to avoid more boring trivia.....
    
    ....I've just worked out that Reading are one of only six current
    league clubs that I've never seen play 'live'. The others being:
    Wimbledon, Coventry, Barnet, Scarborough, and Wigan. Any of
    you Premiership types out there seen such a broad spectrum of football
    in England ?
38.1333MARVIN::MORRELLHey, flip.... you melon farmer...Fri May 19 1995 12:426
    Has anyone got the Visa hot-line number for ordering tickets for the
    Wembley final??
    
    	Cheers,
    
    		Rick
38.1334IOSG::jonpc1.reo.dec.com::ButtonJon Button@REOFri May 19 1995 14:275
Rick,

It's 01734 507878.  It's also permanently engaged!

Jon
38.1335Hanging on the telephone.CHEFS::LAINSBURYAFri May 19 1995 18:587
    Tell me about it ! I'm going down there later, if I hear one more
    engaged tone today, someone gets it.
    
    Apparently the queues are spilling out onto the Tilehurst Road at the
    mo. People were queuing from 7.30 this morning, that's 4 1/2 hours
    before sale time. Sad. 
    
38.1336Postal Applications!!!ADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKFri May 19 1995 19:295
The Evening Post have special Postal applications starting today I believe, and
all next week, so I'm going to fill mine in and put it through the letter box
this evening.

Al (Also fed up with the engaged tone)
38.1337I've got my ticket!PGREEN::CHALFONTFri May 19 1995 20:0812
38.1338CHEFS::COSSEYNSun May 21 1995 12:456
    
    All Tickets have been sold....A part from a couple of hundred kept
    by for postal applications..I queued for two hours Saturday morning 
    and managed to get my tickets...ONLY JUST....
    
    Neil....
38.1339Reading to BUY !!!SUBURB::RUTHERFORDIAlan Rough's Greatest SlipsMon May 22 1995 15:3510
38.1340CHEFS::STRATFORDSPass the Babel FishMon May 22 1995 16:004
    re -1
    
    If its the one I'm thinking of, he used to play for Swindon and is/was
    an Irish International.
38.1341CHEFS::GEORGEMCannibalise LegalbisMon May 22 1995 17:531
When's the play-off final?
38.1342SUBURB::RUTHERFORDIAlan Rough's Greatest SlipsMon May 22 1995 18:294
    Monday 29th May !!
    
    
    Ian.
38.1343TUXEDO::HINXMANDreadful human beingMon May 22 1995 20:068
	re .1340

>    If its the one I'm thinking of, he used to play for Swindon and is/was
>    an Irish International.

	He was at Southampton between Swindon and Portsmouth.

	Tony
38.1344SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitTue May 23 1995 13:536
    I haven`t got my ticket yet,though as a season ticket holder i`m fairly
    hopeful.
    
    I`m amazed they sold out so quick. Mind you,the great British public
    love a day out. 
    
38.1345MARVIN::MORRELLHmmmmmm......Tue May 23 1995 13:565
    >Mind you,the great British public love a day out.
    
    	Especially when its an excuse to drink lots of beer.... :->
    
    	Rick,
38.1346Roll on MondayADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKWed May 24 1995 18:499
I got my tickets on Friday evening.

After a day of frustration trying on the phone, I was driving home, expecting to
see huge queues still outside the ground. However, there was hardly anybody
there, so I rushed home, phoned the friends I'm going with, went to The Turks
head to pick them up, headed back to the ground, queued for 10 minutes, and hey
presto, 8 tickets.

Al
38.1347ZUR01::ASHGrahame Ash @RLEWed May 24 1995 18:553
All the Best to Reading on Monday - I hope you make it.

grahame
38.1348YUPPY::PANESShe tastes like the real thingWed May 24 1995 19:325
I hope for the supporters' sake they get promoted, but it would be good
to see the San Selhurst full to the rafters next season with the "Blue'n'White"
Army.

Stuart
38.1349Game on live!!1VYGER::REIDINo huns at Hampden....Thu May 25 1995 13:024
    
    The Reading- Bolton game will be on live on ITV at 1.00pm on Monday.
    
    Choppers
38.1350Better than the telly.....BLUE ARMY !!!!!SUBURB::CROSSAFri May 26 1995 19:2510
    Short notice BUT........
    
    If anyone needs/knows of anyone needing a ticket I know of one going
    spare. Price is twenty two pounds and the ticket is in the stand 
    behind the goal (211 if you have a map of Wembley).
    
    If you are interested give us a bell on 7830 2919 (you can leave a
    voice mail if I am on a call)  OR 01734 571281 out of work hours.
    
                     Stretch.
38.1351GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Mon May 29 1995 18:174
    
    Any news yet?
    
    JBG
38.1352Half TimeUBOHUB::MVD05::BURGESSDFTFC still in the GMVCMon May 29 1995 18:192
	Bolton 0 : Reading 2
38.1353IMAPC::SYSTEMVirus FREE. No DECnet, No PathworksMon May 29 1995 18:571
    Seriously ????
38.1354IMAPC::SYSTEMVirus FREE. No DECnet, No PathworksMon May 29 1995 19:032
     just phoned up me mum, thanks DEC, and yes it is 2-0 to reading with
    about 15 mins to go. 
38.1355LatestUBOHUB::MVD05::BURGESSDFTFC still in the GMVCMon May 29 1995 19:054
	Bolton have just got 1 back

	Bolton 1 : Reading 2
38.1356Even LatestUBOHUB::MVD05::BURGESSDFTFC still in the GMVCMon May 29 1995 19:163
Bolton Equalised

	Bolton 2 : Reading "
38.1357Sounds exciting ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCop for that, our kidMon May 29 1995 19:193
    
    Is it full time yet ? Do you know the scorers ?
    
38.1358Full TimeUBOHUB::MVD05::BURGESSDFTFC still in the GMVCMon May 29 1995 19:2510
	Sorry, too far away from the t.v. to see who the scorers were, missed 
	Readings goals due to dealing with a call.

	Full Time
	Bolton 2 : Reading 2

	Going into extra time.

	Watch this space!!
38.1359HBFDT1::SCHARNBERGSenior KodierwurstMon May 29 1995 19:341
    GO READING GO GO GO
38.1360Uh OhUBOHUB::MVD05::BURGESSDFTFC still in the GMVCMon May 29 1995 19:424
	Bolton just scored

	Bolton 3 : Reading 2
38.1361Fingernail-biting stuff ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONCop for that, our kidMon May 29 1995 19:593
    
    	Must be end of extra time by now. Any more news ?
    
38.1362boltonSIOG::KEYESDECADMIRE Engineering DTN 827-5556Mon May 29 1995 20:014
    
    bolton 4 reading 2...seconds left
    
    
38.1363Full TimeUBOHUB::MVD05::BURGESSDFTFC still in the GMVCMon May 29 1995 20:0111
	Really exciting last 2 minutes

	Bolton score to make it 4:2

	60 seconds later Reading score :- 4:3

	Full Time:-
	Bolton 4 : Reading 3

	Bolton are next seasons Premiership cannon fodder!
38.1364Boo-hooo. Northern @$)$&$&($IMAPC::SYSTEMVirus FREE. No DECnet, No PathworksMon May 29 1995 20:043
    4-3 to Bolton :-((((
    
    
38.1365Bolton fur the League!VYGER::REIDICeltic FC Scottish Cup Champions 1995Mon May 29 1995 20:056
    
    Hard luck to Reading, though I would rather see Bolton in the
    Premiership than them.
    
    Choppers
    
38.1366mcateer for liverpoolCOMICS::HAWLEYIThe MANCS trophy cabinet is emptyMon May 29 1995 21:434
    
    Might be worth mentioning that Reading missed a penalty to go 3-0 up.
    
    Ian.
38.1367I feel empty.IMAPC::SYSTEMPaul Murray @ZUOTue May 30 1995 11:2518
    
    Down with the government, bring back hanging, shoot the neighbours cat,
    rave, rave, rave.
    
    AND ban the playoffs while you're at it. Just a money making
    scheme by league anyway. That the second placed team should not be
    allowed to take their rightful place in the premier in just down-right
    unfair.
    
    We wuz robbed etc.
    
    Anyway, sounded like an entertaining game. It even got a mention in the
    Swiss teletext. Did Bolton deserve to win or did Reading loose their
    nerve. Anyone care to post a match report.
    
    Disappointed of Zuerich.
    
    
38.1368GENIE::GOODEJMr Dragon - 761 4831Tue May 30 1995 11:409
    
    I saw one of the Bolton goals on Sky News last night. I think it was
    Bolton's first in extra time (it was scored by their substitute
    anyway). It looked to me like the Reading defence were walking around
    ignoring the Bolton players.......still it did rather look like the
    striker stopped the ball with his hand (after he'd first fallen over
    trying to shhot) before burying it past the Reading keeper.
    
    JBG
38.1369CHEFS::GEORGEMCannibalise LegalbisTue May 30 1995 13:554
Well I'm gutted for Reading.  They just ran out of steam in the second half.  
During extra time, they were just trudging around as if they'd had enough.  
Bolton just relentlessly carried on, and won on fitness and commitment, I 
thought.
38.1370Brian "Bolton" Moore !!!!!SUBURB::RUTHERFORDIAlan Rough's Greatest SlipsTue May 30 1995 14:1723
    My condolences go to Reading for putting up a great performance
    yesterday that in the end just wasn't enough. The match was spoiled for
    me however, because of some of the most biased commentating I have ever
    heard. Brian Moore may as well have had a Bolton hat on and sat next to
    Nat Lofthouse in the Royal Box. He was unbelieveable !! He read out the
    fact that Reading had brought 36,000 fans to the game, and when on to
    ask where they all came from, because they hadn't had that amount at
    their home games. Whereas Bolton on the other hand, justifiably brought
    fewer fans because it was further to travel and of course they had
    already had a trip to Wembley where they had played so "wonderfully
    well in defeat". B******S !!! Another one he came out with was when
    Reading were awarded their penalty. His comment of "Surely the referees
    not going to give that" was swiftly followed by "Well, I suppose he is
    in a good position". Incredible !!
    
    Anyway, enough of my belly-aching. Congratulations Bolton and good luck
    in the Premiership, and well done Reading for putting up with Brian
    Moore all this Season "waiting for the bubble to burst".
    
    Again, well played Reading !!!
    
    
    Ian.
38.1371CHEFS::GEORGEMCannibalise LegalbisTue May 30 1995 14:311
FWIW, Agreed.  He was appalling.
38.1372:-(ADDULT::ROBERTSONOSAKTue May 30 1995 15:100
38.1373IOSG::jonpc1.reo.dec.com::ButtonJon Button@REOTue May 30 1995 17:3516
Bad luck to Reading.  They were brilliant in the first half, and if Lovell 
had scored the penalty then it wouls have been all over by half-time.  
Nogan's goal was superb, and he was sorely missed once he went off (as was 
Bernal).  Reading played too deep and did not show enough attacking 
ambition in the second half, and Bolton deservedly forced the game into 
extra time.  Bolton were by far the fitter team - there were too many 
Reading players who were passengers during exta time.

There was a great atmosphere at Wembley, and it was a great day out.  It 
was one of the most exciting games I have seen, and I think that the best 
team on the day won it.

The result does mean that I won't have far to go to see Norwich next season 
:-)

Jon
38.1374*:^(SUBURB::CROSSATue May 30 1995 18:4522
    I cannot find words to describe yesterday so will keep quiet on that !
    
    BUT 
    
    Tonight the team will be driving from Elm Park, leaving at 7 o'clock
    and reaching the town hall at 8 o'clock (approx).The route should be
    from the ground, up Wantage Road onto Waverley Road, down Grovelands
    and then along the Oxford Road and Friar Street to the town hall. 
    
    
    I hope that people will still turn out in huge numbers as yesterdays
    result does not mean we should not be proud of what has been achieved
    during this season.
    
    I wish the weather would get itself sorted out as some people will
    need little reason to stay in tonight (wussies !!!)
    
          Stretch-who will be in the Oxford Road Hobgoblin at 7 o'clockish
                  with his depressed mates then following the team into
                  town.
    
    
38.1375Oh and add lots of ironic smiley type things to this note...CHEFS::STRATFORDSFarnboro FC - Losers!Tue May 30 1995 19:248
    re -1
    
    Oh good, I'm so glad to find out that it will take me a lot longer to
    get home tonight than it would ordinarily. Presumably, if I walk into
    The Hobgoblin and suggest that it was for the best that RFC didn't get
    promoted, I'd be lynched...
    
    Stuart
38.1376State of depressionPGREEN::CHALFONTWed May 31 1995 12:5354
    I didn't realise until yesterday how depressed one could get about a
    football result. Having supported Reading for 25 years, to be within
    four minutes of playing the likes of Manchester Utd, Liverpool et al,
    was an unbelievable dream coming true and then....
    
    It was a truly great day out and Reading should be proud of their
    achievement. I, like many others, would have been happy with a mid-table
    placing this season so to finish second and get to the Wembley play-off
    final was beyond my wildest expectations. 
    
    On the day it was another great display and it is true that we simply
    ran out of steam in the last twenty minutes of normal time. Extra time
    was the last thing Reading needed. What was not apparent to the
    supporters at Wembley was that Lee Nogan and Keith McPherson were not 100%
    fit before the game. However, I believe it was the right decision to
    play our strongest team and without Nogan, we wouldn't have seen that
    great goal.
    
    Archie Lovell should not be blamed for the penalty - it was not a
    great penalty kick obviously but it was saved rather than missed. It
    did however affect his game thereafter.
    
    Credit should also be given to Bolton. As I have mentioned before, they
    were the best side I saw at Elm Park this year and if we weren't to go
    up I am glad it is them. They came out knowing they had to attack in
    the second half, never pannicked and scored their late two goals. In
    reality, once the game went to extra time, there was only likely to be
    one winner, I am afraid to say.
    
    Reading must now attempt to keep the side together for next season.
    There are 10 players out of contract and of those that aren't Adie,
    Shaka, Super Si, Lee Nogan and Darius Dwodwyck are bound to attract the
    attention of Premiership clubs. Madjeski will have to put his hand in his
    pocket to a) keep all the players at the club and b) bring in new players
    to add greater depth to the squad. It is critical that competition for
    places is fierce.
    
    In addition, we need to progress the move towards a new stadium. The
    ground would have proved a problem should we have been promoted. The
    club has proved this year that we have the potential to gain promotion,
    it now has to prove that we can repeat this success and be in a
    better position to meet the challenge if we do. 
    
    Finally, one of the best aspects of the day at Wembley was the
    relationship between the fans of both sides. We arrived two hours
    before the kick-off and then spent the first hour talking football with
    some Bolton fans who parked next to us. After the game, we met up again
    and there was genuine respect for both sides after what had been a
    fantastic game of football. Mind you, they were a mighty relieved group
    of people. This is how football should be.
    
    
    Neil
                
38.1377Same again pleaseCHEFS::ROSECWed May 31 1995 18:0518
    RE -1
    
    Neil, your note was spot on.
    
    This season has been a success, not a failure.  I spoke to some Bolton
    fans before the game on Monday and they ADMITTED they were going to be
    out-numbered and out-sung.  
    It has been an enjoyable season and probably succeeded most
    expectations.
    Forget the ifs and buts and maybes, for those of us that have been
    attending Elm Park for the last 25+ years it has been great fun.
    
    For those folk who continue to write in this note (although following a
    "bigger club"!@?) you may not fully appreciate that 'lesser clubs'!!
    have an equally, if not more, fanatical following ie We actually go and
    watch our team 30+ times a season.
    
    
38.1378We are going up (next year).KERNEL::OFFSY1::WESTWed May 31 1995 18:4815

  I turned out to watch the boys leave Elm Park last night on there open 
top bus ride to the civic reception, and then drove on in to town to greet 
them. What a great turnout. The lads seemed suprised and overjoyed to see 
so many people cheering them on in the pouring rain. I for one was lifted 
from the pits of despair to feeling proud of what our small club on it's 
limited resources has achieved this year. It was a fitting end to the 
season to be cheering and chanting. I now cannot wait for the next season 
to start, I just hope we can keep the squad together.

        Mark.

p.s Uri Gellor says that we are deffinatly going up next year. so it must 
    be true :-))))
38.1379Sniff.CHEFS::LAINSBURYAWed May 31 1995 19:0114
38.1380Is there an echo in here!!!ADDULT::ROBERTSONThere's always next year!!!Wed May 31 1995 21:4817
It has been a superb season. I just wish I'd been in the position to go to more
games earlier on, and next year I will. I've got the bug back, and August can't
come quick enough.

My one concern, and I think it's the same all Reading fans, is will the team
keep together.

I couldn't help but feel that when Shaka went in after the game on Monday that
his prolonged exit, was for him to say goodbye. I hope I'm wrong.

Madjeski has to do everything possible to keep that team together, and if he
does, then there's no reason why next year shouldn't be even better.

I'm still exhausted from Monday's Ups & Downs (Physically & emotionally), but it
was a superb day out.

Al
38.1381CHEFS::JOLLYLWed May 31 1995 21:566
    
    Strech,
    
    did you go on Monday, I thought I saw you on the box?
    
    Loz.
38.1382(in)famous at last !!!!SUBURB::CROSSAThu Jun 01 1995 14:3930
    Loz,
    
    Indeed I did go...Did you ?
     I went via the ground with the dog at 6ish and some of the team were
    outside along with a few cameras.
    Got to shake the hand of a quite depressed Adie Williams (still have
    not washed it !! )
    Then down to the 'goblin on the Oxford Road to join the procession into
    town. Hundreds of people along the route, hanging out of windows and
    surrounding the bus (and that was just the police !! )  
    
    Once we got to the town hall square things were a little packed to say
    the least. It was brilliant to see so many people and I think even the
    team were a bit gobsmacked. There were so many people near the bus even
    I could not see anything (6'5") so I cannot imagine the view anyone
    else was getting and I ended up on top of a phone box outside the Monks
    Retreat(always near a pub !! ) 
    
    Then back to the other 'goblin to dry out and talk of what might have
    been.
    
    Anyway it was a brilliant night (even though the weather was intent on
    being the icing on the cake) and just about cleared the depression that
    had been firmly in place since 4:15 on Monday.Mind you the hangover I
    had yesterday was only a marginal improvement on said depression.
    
    Roll on 25/7/95 and Steau Bucharest at Elm Park unless we can get a
    trip to the Irish games !!!!           
    
                    Stretch (not strech !!! )
38.1383CHEFS::JOLLYLThu Jun 01 1995 17:0619
    Stretch,
    
    No I didn't go, much as I wanted Reading to win and felt really sorry
    for you Royal's fans at full time, I can get no more enthusiastic about
    them than that.
    
    I would have loved to see them in the top flight for at least a season
    and working here you could feel the optimism all last week, but first
    and last I'm a Chelsea fan and the only way you would get me to Elm
    Park again (been there when Reading knocked us out of the Milk cup,
    Cannoville and Francis played blinders and once with Simon Trinder and a 
    mate to watch his team, Fulham) would be if we were playing you.
    
    Sorry about the spelling, I rush in and out of here so quickly I tend
    to make a few mistakes.
    
    See you around,
    
    Loz.
38.1384SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Jun 02 1995 21:578
    I`ve just been able to force myself to write a note. 
    
    I can`t really add anything,except I hope this is the beginning of 
    a great future,rather than the end of an era.
    
    Judging by the buzz round the town and comments in the press,I reckon
    it`s the former.
    
38.1385XSTACY::FUNBOX::jLuNdOnhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Fri Jun 02 1995 22:038
re -1

It can be very hard for a team to bounce back after the 
disappointment Reading suffered at the hand of Bolton. 
Anyhow, I wish them good luck and hope they do it the
proper way next time i.e. get promotion automatically.

                      James.
38.1386He's fat, He's round, he's only worth a pound, McAteer, McAteer!!!ADDULT::ROBERTSONThere's always next year!!!Mon Jun 05 1995 18:1323
Interesting report in the Post on Friday:

Macca played the final with a broken toe. He had 2 pain killing injections
before the game, but they wore off 10 minutes into extra time (About the time
Bolton went ahead).

I cannot believe that he was allowed to play. Sure it was the biggest game of
his career to date, and a Wembley match doesn't come around too often,
especially for the likes of Reading, but I think his decision to play could have
cost Reading the match. However, whether the likes of Kerr could have done the
business for the whole 90 is another matter!! We'll just never know.

I see Lee Nogan was picked for Wales after his impressive goal last week (Well
that was the reason given on CEEFAX), but had to pull out 'cos of his hamstring
injury.

We should find out this week what out of contract players will be doing. I think
that after last season, all players deserve some reward. I hope they get it.

Any news of any possible purchases? What happened about the Alan McLoughlin
story that was kicking around a couple of weeks ago?

Al
38.1387exit archie & scott?IOSG::TYLDESLEYTue Jun 06 1995 13:075
38.1388Not in my paperIOSG::jonpc1.reo.dec.com::ButtonJon Button@REOTue Jun 06 1995 14:255
Dave,

Nothing in the Independent today about it.

Jon
38.1389sardines will be thrownIOSG::TYLDESLEYTue Jun 06 1995 14:483
    ah - well that scotches that rumour then!
    i'll get my copy of the Sun lunchtime, just to make absolutely sure.
    ;-) dt
38.1390ADDULT::ROBERTSONThere's always next year!!!Tue Jun 06 1995 21:425
Well it appears that most of the out of contract players are rejecting what
they've been offered, so don't discount the rumour yet. However, I think most
would like to stay on, so come on Mr. Madjeski, get out your wallet

Al
38.1391Not happy on the Reading frontCHEFS::STRATFORDSmedication timeWed Jun 07 1995 12:329
    According to the press this morning the following players have rejected
    their new contracts:
    
    Scott Taylor
    Stuart Lovell
    Keoth McPherson
    Michael Gilkes
    
    Stuart
38.1392Tabloids struggling for newsCHEFS::ROSECWed Jun 07 1995 14:4112
    Most of this contract stuff is nonsense.  EVERY season ALL clubs go
    through contract negotiations with players.  It's either resolved, the
    player ends up playing on a week-to-week contract, or the player goes.
    Admittedly, I would prefere Taylor and Lovell to stay.  But no player
    is bigger than any club.
    More often than not these differences are resolved.  I can remember two
    years ago when Gilkes didn't sign a contract, walked out of the club,
    and his registration was torn up!.........he's still here.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1393In troubleAYOV27::FW_TEMP01J Hussey - Arran's in view todayWed Jun 07 1995 15:129
The difference is that its only 2/3 players per club and that those
who are really wanted by a club get contracts sorted out fairly quickly.

Reading have up to 10 players whose contracts expire at the end of the 
month.  You can expect at least 4/5 to leave to Premiership/Bigger Div 1
clubs.

By the sounds of comments throughout the year that's a big chunk out of
the team plus you won't get the market value for those players.
38.1394etc etc etcCHEFS::ROSECWed Jun 07 1995 18:1117
    Almost every club outside the Premiership has 10+ players out of
    contract!  Most contractual deals with players outside the Prem are up
    to a maximum of three years.  Consequently, if you have a squad of
    around 26 players (as Reading do) then you will obviously have at least
    8/9 players out of contract come June.
    
    A number of clubs (inc Swindon, Bristol C, Wolves) have put a large
    number of players on the transfer list.  Currently, Reading have put
    none.  I would be very surprised if 4/5 of Reading's out-of-contract
    players are in the Prem next season.
    
    To lose Taylor and/or Lovell would be dissapointing, but not
    disastrous.  Also, quite a lot is being made of being 'in contract'. 
    With the current freedom that players enjoy, being in contract doesn't
    mean that player will be staying with that club anyway.
    
    
38.1395CHEFS::STRATFORDSmedication timeWed Jun 07 1995 18:275
    I think that the difference between most other clubs and Reading is
    that the majority, if not all, of those players out of contract at
    Reading are first team regulars, hence the comments.
    
    Stuart
38.1396YUPPY::PANESLocal Hero ( apparently )Wed Jun 07 1995 19:055
Without wishing to incur the wrath of the Royals, apart from the Simod
Cup performance and the fact that he is quick, why do you rate Gilkes
so highly?

Stuart
38.1397Gilkes is part of the furniture!!!ADDULT::ROBERTSONThere's always next year!!!Wed Jun 07 1995 21:1616
38.1398SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Jun 07 1995 21:5017
    So am I correct in asuming that the following are in contract,and
    as far as we know,aren`t looking to move??
    
    Shaka Hislop
    Darius
    Adie Williams
    Bernel
    Parkinson
    Osborn
    Nogan
    Holsgrove
    
    Plus Gooding and Quinn,of course.
    
    Personally,I`d like to see the back of Kerr. He`s crap. It`d be a shame
    to see McPherson,Lovell and Taylor go. Though not a disaster.
    
38.1399Reading facing mass exedus.KERNEL::OFFSY1::WESTWed Jun 14 1995 20:2923
  Below are some of the rumours I've read about on the Reading WEB pages 
and mailing list. Can anyone comment or confirm?

       Scott Taylor signs for Leicester for 200k + 10% of future fee.

       Bolton offer 500k for Lee Nogan.

       Man City offer 1.5 million for Adie williams.

       Boro offer 1 million + bonus for any England call up for Shaka.

       Simon Osbourne is currently mulling over various offers.

       Gilkes and Holsgrove are also on Mark Mcghees shopping list.



  cheers Mark.

p.s I hope these stay rumours.


38.1400SUBURB::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Jun 14 1995 21:316
    I now hear Shaka could be going to Newcastle as Keegan is unhappy with
    his current 2 keepers.
    
    Singing "Simon Sheperd what`s the score?" doesn`t quite have the same
    ring to it.
    
38.1401First League game 95/96.KERNEL::OFFSY1::WESTTue Jun 20 1995 18:215
 Readings first league game is away at Stoke on the 12th August. I will 
post the full fixture list when I get moment.

Cheers Mark.
38.1402IOSG::HARDIEIn a world where the sun burns cold !Tue Jun 20 1995 19:2410
    The most important dates for this season are:
    
    	Sept 16th	at Filbert Street
    	Feb 24th	at Elm Park
    
    Neil
    ~~~~
    
    

38.1403Do I detect some bad blood coming to the surface in the last entry?CHEFS::STRATFORDSmedication timeWed Jun 21 1995 12:061
    
38.140495/96IOSG::HARDIEIn a world where the sun burns cold !Wed Jun 21 1995 12:4955
	Bad blood... Never.

	I just think the atmosphere maybe something to remember :-)

	Anyway here's the full fixture list.

	Aug 12	Stoke  		A
	    19	DERBY  		H
	    26  Portsmouth	A
	    29	MILLWALL	H
	Sep  2	Southend	A
	     9	LUTON		H
	    12	GRIMSBY		H
	    16	Leicester	A
	    23	PORT VALE	H
	    30	Sunderland	A
	Oct  7	West Brom	A
	    14	HUDDERSFIELD	H
	    21	Oldham		A
	    28	IPSWICH		H
	Nov  4	Crystal Palace	A
	    11	BIRMINGHAM	H
	    18	BARNSLEY	H
	    21	Charlton	A
	    25	Sheff Utd	A
	Dec  2	WEST BROM	H
	     9	Port Vale	A
	    16	SUNDERLAND	H
	    23	WOLVES		H
	    26	Watford		A
	    30  Norwich		A
	Jan  1	TRANMERE	H
	    13	Derby		A
	    20	STOKE		H
	Feb  3	PORTSMOUTH	H
	    10	Millwall	A
	    17	Grimsby		A
	    20	SOUTHEND	H
	    24	LEICESTER	H
	    27	Luton		A
	Mar  2	WATFORD		H
	     9	Wolves		A
	    16	NORWICH		H
	    23	Tranmere	A
	    30	OLDHAM		H
	Apr  2	Huddersfield	A
	     6	Ipswich		A
	     8	CRYSTAL PALACE	H
	    13	Barnsley	A
	    20	CHARLTON	H
	    27	SHEFF UTD	H
	May  4	Birmingham	A

Neil
~~~~
38.1405Seen on the back page of the Reading Evening Post at dinnertimeCHEFS::STRATFORDSBilly No MatesFri Jun 23 1995 17:536
    Would any of our Reading chaps/chapesses care to elaborate on:
    
    "Taylor in tlaks with Palace"
    
    Obviously, somebody will be leaving Reading for the self-styled "San
    Selhurst" but whom...
38.1406Obviously that should read "Taylor in talks with Palace"CHEFS::STRATFORDSBilly No MatesFri Jun 23 1995 17:531
    
38.1407Scott Taylor.CHEFS::DIVERLFri Jun 23 1995 20:2814
    Re .1405/1406
    
    Scott Taylor, as mentioned in the Palace note this morning.
    
    The speculation in the Post is that Taylor might fill the
    right-side midfielder slot which has apparently been un-filled
    since Eddie McGoldrick was off-loaded to Arsenal.
    
    Taylor is also linked with moves to Leicester, Luton and Derby.
    He's been made an improved offer to stay at Reading, but
    would appear to have decided to leave anyway, as he's put
    his house up for sale.
    
    Leonie.
38.1408Webb Returns ???CHEFS::JAMESPMon Jun 26 1995 12:378
    
    Reading offered to double Taylor's wages but he's still refused. 
    
    A certain Mr N Webb has recently moved back to Reading and can be seen
    running around Tilehurst. It appears he has been told to "get fit and
    we'll have a look"
      
                                                     
38.1409newsCHEFS::ROSECMon Jun 26 1995 13:0815
    Taylor seems a certainty to leave - Palace have just taken in 7m quid
    so I think there is a fair chance they could afford him.
    
    I wouldn't be surprised if Newcastle come in for Shaka.  Should Reading
    accept around 1.5m?  I think so.
    
    Going back to Taylor.  It's no surprise he's going, whatever
    Reading offered him.  I don't think Taylor and Quinn are best buddies,
    remembering the head-butting incident in training that left Taylor's
    face looking rather messy.
    
    As has been said in the local papers, if a player's heart isn't in the
    club 100% then let him go.  Simple as that.
    
    
38.1411CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitTue Jun 27 1995 14:2110
38.1413According to teletext last nightCHEFS::STRATFORDSCusters Last StrandMon Jul 03 1995 14:192
    Scott Taylor and A N Other from Reading have agreed terms with
    Portsmouth and will complete their transfers this week.
38.1414CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIIndecision is the key to flexibilityMon Jul 03 1995 14:366
    I think Paul Holsgrove is the "other one".
    
    Cheers,
    
    
    Ian.
38.1415JMOCHEFS::LAINSBURYAMon Jul 03 1995 16:576
    	Shaka is a great keeper and has made a difference, but to say he
    was the reason between getting to Wembley and us struggling, you're
    having a laugh.
    	#2m is alot of money to Reading, and a couple of quality
    outfielders are worth more to a team than a keeper. (As long as
    Shephard is half decent.)
38.1416???? No 1CHEFS::JAMESPMon Jul 03 1995 19:374
    
    Forget Shepherd... he will not be the 1st team keeper next year
    
    Pj
38.1417 CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitTue Jul 04 1995 16:577
38.1418CHEFS::STRATFORDSCusters Last StrandTue Jul 04 1995 17:065
    >I believe they`re looking at a Swindon goalkeeper.
    
    Are you sure that the reserve keeper at Elm Park isn't good enough....
    
    
38.1419Still no news on any incoming playersADDULT::ROBERTSONThere's always next year!!!Tue Jul 04 1995 17:1014
Swindon Keeper = Fraser Digby = No Thanks

Taylor has said he will make a decision one way or another on Thursday.
He's talking to Quinny & Geordie today I believe.

Shaka's thinking over the new deal he's been offered.
If he doesn't accept then he'll be off before the end of next season for sure,
unless we do well again. This will allow Reading to cash in while he's still on
contract.

Archie has said he definitely wants to stay, but will only sign a 1 year
contract.

Al
38.1420newsCHEFS::ROSECWed Jul 05 1995 12:1823
    Bit more news....
    
    Lee Barkus is likely to join Fulham (I saw him play the last time he
    scored for Reading....April 1992) - so no great loss here.
    
    Archie Lovell was spotted at the weekend in a remote pub on the
    outskirts of Reading with.......that man from Leicester!  Like a number
    of players out of contract, Archie is speaking to other clubs - but not
    Leicester please!
    
    Pre-season training starts on July 17th and the friendlies are...
    
    Sat July 22 - away to Maidenhead
    
    Tue July 25 - home to Steau Bucharest
    
    July 27 - Aug 2  3 games in Northern Ireland
    
    Sat Aug 5   - home to Wycombe
    
    
    Chris
    
38.1421That's nothing 'cos....CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIIndecision is the key to flexibilityWed Jul 05 1995 13:2615
    
    I was at the Rivermead Driving Range yesterday when myself and a mate
    saw Shaka.
    
    He's got a good swing, but he pushes it to the right a little bit. He
    hits the ball a long way, mind !!
    
    We were just about to ask him if he was planning on a move up to
    Newcastle, when he picked up his clubs and walked off. All we managed
    to say to him was "Good Luck"!!!
    
    Ah Well, we shall have to wait and see ??
    
    
    Ian. 
38.1422About clubCLARID::KREYERAndre KREYER, Sophia Antipolis (FR)Wed Jul 05 1995 19:288
>    He's got a good swing, but he pushes it to the right a little bit. He
>    hits the ball a long way, mind !!
	Is Newcastle supposed to buy whoever has ever played any golf???
	David GINOLA first, now Shaka, ... I think some people should be
	told...

								.Andre.
38.1423Holsgrove To Stay.KERNEL::OFFSY1::WESTFri Jul 07 1995 18:389
   I've just heard on the radio at lunch time that Paul Holsgrove has 
turned down offers from Portsmouth and Leicester to renew his contract 
with the Royals. This is great news as it seems to give a good indication 
that Reading are starting to come up with some good competitive offers, and 
appear to be serious about keeping the squad together to mount another 
challenge this coming season.

Mark.
38.1424CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Fri Jul 07 1995 18:565
    It also states in the paper today that Michael Gilkes has signed a new
    3 year contract.
    
    
    Ian.
38.1425Just a wild stab in the darkCHEFS::STRATFORDSMon Jul 10 1995 12:058
    The most reliable source of transfer information in the world, The News Of
    The World, claims that Reading have or are about to sign Trevor Morley
    from West Ham on a free transfer. 
    
    As part of the signing on fee, his wife has asked for a new set of
    kitchen knives as their current set are strangley blunt...
    
    Stuart 
38.1426....and Ian Bishop??YUPPY::PANESis drop dead gorgeousMon Jul 10 1995 12:340
38.1427From this mornings Daily Mail...CHEFS::STRATFORDSMon Jul 10 1995 12:385
38.1428ARNIES::SMITHP1Reserved for witty personal nameMon Jul 10 1995 14:233
	So Simon Osborne is worth 1.05M then ???

38.1429Name droppingCHEFS::GROOMNA curry a day keeps the missus awayMon Jul 10 1995 15:339
    
    Shakin' Hislop & Scott Taylor were in the Royal Berks last weekend for
    scans on Knee ligaments (I was there for the same, the trials of being
    a finely tuned athlete ;-)).  Whilst not divulging too much, both
    seemed pretty keen on staying put for the time being (Shaka even
    claimed he liked Reading !!)
    
    
    Nev
38.1430My latest newsPGREEN::CHALFONTMon Jul 10 1995 16:2922
38.1431Comings / GoingsCHEFS::ROSECWed Jul 12 1995 10:4527
    
    Players out -  Taylor to Leicester for 500k
                   Osborn to QPR for 600k plus Meaker
                   Barkus to Fulham (fee to be decided by tribunal)
                   Hartenburger - free transfer
    
    Others????  -  Kerr (see new signing below)
                   Shaka  (if Newcastle stump up with 2m sovs)
    
    
    Players in  -  Michael Meaker (age 23) from QPR for 500k
                   Martin Williams (age 22) from Luton on a free
                   Steven Swales (age 22) left back from Scarboro (didn't
                   hear the fee although is Scarboro's regular left back)
                   Thomas Schwarz - goalie on trial from Denmark.
    
    Others????  -  Trevor Morley from WHU as cover for Lovell/Nogan
                   A N Other - using the residue of cash from sales.
    
    
    To be decided - Thorp, Bass, McPherson, Holsgrove, Gilkes all signed
                   new contracts leaving Lovell the remaining one to be 
                   sorted.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1432ADDULT::ROBERTSONThere's always next year!!!Fri Jul 14 1995 16:0611
38.1433Super Si's replacement?CHEFS::ROSECTue Jul 18 1995 12:178
    Reading had a bid of 350k for Neil Lennon, a NI International
    midfielder from Crewe, rejected over the weekend.  I understand that
    this was Reading's increased offer and that Crewe are holding out for
    400k.
    It would appear that Mick and Jim's general policy is to buy young, up
    and coming players.  Sounds OK to me.
    
    
38.1434CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitTue Jul 18 1995 14:512
    Any more news on the stalwart Trevor Morley??
    
38.1435ADDULT::ROBERTSONThere's always next year!!!Tue Jul 18 1995 15:406
According to the Evening Post last night, a striker will be signed sometime
today!!!

Watch this space

Al
38.1436ADDULT::ROBERTSONThere's always next year!!!Wed Jul 19 1995 19:4510
Reading were talking to Morley yesterday. No outcome of the talks as yet.

I was wandering through Reading town centre this lunch time, and all the
Newspaper vendors had headlines:

	Lovell:  Why I'm Staying with the Royals

Anyone know the full story???

Al
38.1437FORTY2::FOWLERMKylie fan clubWed Jul 19 1995 19:585
He's signed a two year contract, but I don't know anything else. It's on CEEFAX.
To be honest, there weren't any decent sides after him, only Swindon and some
other mob. 8-)

Mike
38.1438CHEFS::ROSECWed Jul 19 1995 20:4311
    Re previous.
    
    Despite interest from Coventry, Sheff Utd, Derby and Watford; Archie 
    finally agreed a two-year deal with Reading.  On the radio he said he
    was delighted to be staying etc etc.
    
    So out of all the players out of contract at the end of last season,
    only one actually left (Taylor).  Maybe Kerr will leave, but he has
    basically been replaced anyway.
    
    
38.1439Next Tuesdays friendlyCHEFS::CROSSAThu Jul 20 1995 14:345
    Stuart,	
    	When or how do you go about getting tickets for the Steau Bucharest
    game next Tuesday? Do you know the cost? etc etc
    
    			Stretch.
38.1440re -1 I dunnoCHEFS::STRATFORDSThu Jul 20 1995 18:091
    
38.1441More specifically......CHEFS::CROSSAThu Jul 20 1995 18:356
    Sorry Stuart of the Arse variety (smiley thing). 
    
    I meant our even sadder Stuart of the RFC type.
    
                     Cheers,
    			Stretch.
38.1442CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitThu Jul 20 1995 20:446
    sorry,Strech - can`t help.
    
    I`ll be up in Stratford that day,so I can`t go.
    
    - Sad Stuart.
    
38.1443ooooppppssss Sorry Stuart ....CHEFS::CROSSAThu Jul 20 1995 20:5910
    You poor b'stard !!!!
    
    O.K What about .... When or where are the South Bank cards going on
    sale.
    
    			
    Stretch_who_is_covering_your_phone_on_Tuesday_as_if_that_is_any_comfort!
    
    P.S We will cheer on your behalf. " Shaka,what's the score ? Shaka,
    Shaka,Whats the score ? "  (If he is still between the posts)
38.1444Maybe RFC will know!!!ADDULT::ROBERTSONThere's always next year!!!Fri Jul 21 1995 14:573
Try 01734 507878.

Al
38.1445ADDULT::ROBERTSONThere's always next year!!!Fri Jul 21 1995 16:495
Trevor Morley nearly signed yesterday, but before he did another D1 team stepped
in and showed interest. He's supposed to be talking with that team today, but
has said he likes what Reading have to offer.

Al
38.1446CHEFS::STRATFORDSDisconnect brain from mouthFri Jul 21 1995 17:234
    According to the Evening Post at dinnertime, reading have signed
    someone new so presumably it all went through.
    
    Stuart
38.1447updateCHEFS::ROSECMon Jul 24 1995 13:1123
    Two friendly results from Saturday...
    
    Basingstoke 1  Reading 2  (Lovell and Carey)
    
    Maidenhead 2   Reading 3  (Thorp and Morley x2)
    
    Just 54 days after the Wembley game, I got to see the boys in action
    again.  Maidenhead was my choice of games.  The crowd of around 500 was
    made up of 95% Reading fans.  At half-time Reading replaced Sheppard in
    goal with the bloke on loan from a Danish team...hence Maidenhead's two
    goals.
    Wdowczyk lasted around 15 minutes before M'head's 'mix it' style of
    play got the better of him.  The pitch was appaling, but the beers in
    the bar were ice cold.
    Gooding was Reading's best player, although Parky also played well.
    One of a number of RFC t-shirts, had a picture of Archie on the front
    (crying after the Wembley game) being comforted by another player and
    the headline of "Who said it's just a game!"  Brilliant.
    
    A mostly second string team travel to Cirencester tonight, before
    tomorrows home game against Steau Bucharest (7.45).
    
    
38.1448FORTY2::MDAVIESMon Jul 24 1995 16:575
looks like the Ex-hammer man (ooh Morley Morley  ooh Morley Morley) is doing
the job, rekon he'll get you promotion, he'll make sage stuffing off these
Endsleigh league defences, you can count on 25 goals at least,

Mark
38.1449can this be true ???!!CHEFS::JAMESPMon Jul 24 1995 20:127
    
    I've heard today that Reading are playing Chelsea tomorrow
    at Bisham Abbey behind closed doors.
    
    Can anyone confirm/ know the kick off time ???
    
    Pj
38.1450CHEFS::GEORGEMlived eht pihsroWMon Jul 24 1995 20:171
er...I thought they were playing St....Bucharest tomorrow...?
38.1451CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Jul 24 1995 21:256
    I saw Steau Bucharest in training at Prospect Park on Saturday. Very
    professional,I must say.
    
    Oddly enough,on seeing my sublime skills whilst kicking a ball about
    with a couple of mates,they didn`t sign me up. I was most disappointed.
    
38.1452CHEFS::STRATFORDSDisconnect brain from mouthTue Jul 25 1995 12:036
    re .1449
    
    Aside from Reading playing the Rumanian lot (as Matt said), chelsea
    have a first team friendly at Gillingham tonight where Messrs Hughes &
    Gullitt are expected to play. So given that, it wouldn't be worth
    playing at Bisham Abbey.
38.1453CHEFS::GEORGEMLet it out and let it inWed Jul 26 1995 13:241
What happened then?
38.1454Reading 0 Steaua Bucharest not as many as they should have gotCHEFS::STRATFORDSDisconnect brain from mouthWed Jul 26 1995 13:4126
    Reading got dicked. It was only 3 but should have been at least double
    that, credit to Hislop & Shepherd for a couple of good stops although
    Hislop completely misjudged a shot for the first goal. 
    
    I sat on one of the most uncomfortable seats that I have ever sat on, 
    trying to explain to the girlie why the Romanians kept going down like 
    flies when they weren't really hurt ("cos that what continentals do"). 
    Michael Barrymore is probably a better left back than Michael Gilkes so 
    I don't think that the tactic of playing "Gilkesy" there will be repeated.
    
    Reading were linked with the Lacatus, which if its true would be quite
    a coup, as he is a far better player than Gilkes or Meaker. (BTW,
    Reading got stitched up on the Osborne deal. Meaker was as bad as I
    remembered).
    
    That said, it was a reasonable game with Bucharest showing a nice line
    in niggling fouls. Reading were playing a team who are technically far
    superior anyway and credit to them for taking them on early in their
    pre-season fixtures.
    
    Bucharest play in a four team tournament with Tottenham, Rangers and
    Sampdoria and will probably only beat Tottenham if they play them. 
    
    Stuart
    
    BTW, does anyone know if that is on TV?
38.1455CHEFS::CROSSAWed Jul 26 1995 15:295
    -1
    Yep, that just about sums it up !!!!!
    
    For pure laffs Adie having to go in goal was alright. Not sure what
    happened to Shepard 
38.1456YUPPY::PANESAnother summer of hateWed Jul 26 1995 15:3214
     <<< Note 38.1454 by CHEFS::STRATFORDS "Disconnect brain from mouth" >>>
      -< Reading 0 Steaua Bucharest not as many as they should have got >-
    
>    Bucharest play in a four team tournament with Tottenham, Rangers and
>    Sampdoria and will probably only beat Tottenham if they play them. 
    
     Stuart (or is it Mystic Stu - Ace Predictor),

     Let me get this right. If Bucharest don't play the Totts they are not 
     likely to beat them. 
    
     Stuart

     BTW Do you know next weeks winning lottery numbers?
38.1457CHEFS::STRATFORDSDisconnect brain from mouthWed Jul 26 1995 15:3612
    The Panesmeister,
    
    The winning lottery numbers are known only to the gods. I can however
    predict that they will be in the hands of the winning person who will
    claim the prize and get a load of grief from the media because of other
    members of their family being greedy.
    
    hth
    
    Ace Predictor
    
    
38.1458Morley againCHEFS::ROSECTue Aug 01 1995 19:249
    After drawing 2-2 with Portadown on Friday, Reading continued their
    tour of N.Ireland with a 2-0 win over Coleraine last night. Goals from
    Morley and Lambert.  
    Reading's final game of the tour is Crusaders tomorrow night - followed
    by the last pre-season game at home to Wycombe on Saturday.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1459ADDULT::ROBERTSONThere's always next year!!!Tue Aug 01 1995 20:596
38.1460Up in the air still .....CHEFS::CROSSATue Aug 01 1995 21:215
    Al,
      Ceefax last night quoted Jimmy  Q as not having heard anything from K.K
    since they turned down the 1.2 mill offer. So who knows ????
    
                              Stretch.
38.1461CHEFS::STRATFORDSDisconnect brain from mouthWed Aug 02 1995 12:188
38.1462Having seen more than 5 games.........CHEFS::CROSSAWed Aug 02 1995 13:5921
    Stuart,
         Shaka, like all good goalies has some shaky/hair raising sides to
    his character but on the whole is worth the hype or I cannot see how
    his fellow players voted him the best goalkeeper in the Endsleigh
    league last season.
    
    ref Shepperd. Having only seen him play in the Steau friendly (cos
    Shaka is so shaky he always gets the goalies shirt!!) I can only
    comment on about twenty - thirty minutes of play he had until going off
    injured. He was good enough. Made a couple of decent stops. Good
    response from the crowd.All the Shaka chants renamed to Simon etc .Very
    adaptive of the Reading fans !! 
    Mind you when Adie Williiams had to go in goal the crowd really got
    behind him !!
    Also if K.K saw Shakas display in the first half of the friendly he may
    well reconsider his choices !!! Let's hope he has got the ball
    watching/picking the ball out of the back of the net over before the season
    kicks of proper.
    
    
                        Stretch.
38.1463PGREEN::CHALFONTWed Aug 02 1995 17:0823
    re: .1461
    
    Having seen Shaka play in most of the home games over the past two seasons
    (and some of the away games too), without doubt he has been the major
    factor in Reading's success. I agree he has his moments of vulnerability
    with crosses but if there is a better shot stopper in the country, then I
    would like to see him. 
    
    If he wasn't a good goalkeeper then Keegan wouldn't be interested in buying
    him. He is a shrewd manager when it comes to the transfer market.
    
    I would hate to see Shaka go, but I believe it is inevitable sooner or
    later.
    
    
    Neil
    
    
    Neil 
    
     
    
    
38.1464Hoorah for Stretch !!!CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Wed Aug 02 1995 18:3411
    .1462
    
    Everybody, Stretch is feeling a bit low because whenever he types
    something, there is no recognition of anyone reading the note. You
    know, a "Cheers Stretch" or "I DON'T think so !!" So this ones for you
    Stretch. Thanks for note .1462 and all the others that you have entered
    and have been ignored (Ooops, I mean't read and provoked thought). I
    can't wait for your next incisive mail, Al (Ooops, Stretch !!)
    
    
    Ian.
38.1465Stretch - what a guy !CHEFS::EDWARDSDWed Aug 02 1995 19:093
    re.1462
    
    Excellent note Stretch - keep up the good work.
38.1466CHEFS::STRATFORDSDisconnect brain from mouthWed Aug 02 1995 19:169
    Stretch,
    
    Your note was a full and thorough reply. It didn't change my mind on
    Hislop but hey, I appreciate your viewpoint.
    
    Sorry it took so long to recognise your valuable contribution to the
    topic of conversation.
    
    Stuart
38.1467Stretch - Man of the Match ...AYOV29::MTHEODORESONAnd now ... the galleryWed Aug 02 1995 19:218
    
    Stretch
    
    	And what about that Darius Wdojzyck eh ? Is he not the finest
    player you have ever seen ? Keep up the fine work.
    
    Malc.
    
38.1468Give that man a knighthoodADDULT::ROBERTSONThere's always next year!!!Wed Aug 02 1995 19:269
Cheers Stretch,

	Unfortunately there are days when I have to do some work (yes I know
it's hard to believe in DEC), but today has been one of those so far, mainly due
to the fact that I couldn't access TRUCKS this morning ;-(.

	Hopefully normal service can now resume.

Al (Eternally greatful ;-)
38.1469Feeling generous with my gratitude !!CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Wed Aug 02 1995 19:4810
    You see, Stretch,
    
    People DO care !!!
    
    They're just afraid to show it sometimes.
    
    Now, Who else is feeling left out ??
    
    
    Ian$Fairy_Godmother
38.1470CHEFS::EDWARDSDWed Aug 02 1995 19:484
    Does the panel think that it's time to dedicate a whole note to Stretch
    ?  I feel it would be beneficial to have easy access to his comments
    when one is in need of inspiration - a common occurrence during
    these dull and dreary pre-season days.
38.1471Ian you Git !!!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAWed Aug 02 1995 19:519
    Ian,
    
    	Cheers you B'STARD !!!!!
    
    Everyone else - You've got me all hot, bothered and blushing.
    
    
    		Hot_under_the_collar_Stretch.
    
38.1472Just the thing to cheer everyone upCHEFS::STRATFORDSDisconnect brain from mouthWed Aug 02 1995 19:516
    Dave,
    
    A splendid idea. In fact why not go the whole hog and have a conference
    dedicated to the wit and wisdom of Stretch.
    
    Stuart
38.1473CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Aug 02 1995 20:565
    Imo,if Reading were a fashionable club Shaka would have been spotted
    and picked up a long time ago. Well worth 1.75m and probably a lot
    more.
    
    
38.14742 wins , 1 drawCHEFS::ROSECThu Aug 03 1995 12:1621
    Reading completed the N.Ireland tour with a 3-1 win over Crusaders (the
    Irish League Champions) last night.  Goals from Lovell, Nogan and
    Jones.  Because of injuries to Meaker, Morley, Holsgrove, Gilkes and
    Thorp the team was;
    				Sheppard
    		Bernal	   McPherson   A.Williams    Swales
    			Gooding    Parkinson   Jones
    			Lovell     Nogan       M.Williams
    
    Carey, Lambert and Quinn came on a subs.
    
    I would be dissapointed if Swales DIDN'T make the starting line-up for
    the game at Stoke on the 12th.  From what I have seen of him he is an
    excellent full back, and by all accounts he played very well again last
    night.
    
    One remaining friendly.  Home to Wycombe on Saturday.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1475CHEFS::STRATFORDSDisconnect brain from mouthThu Aug 03 1995 14:535
    Stretch,
    
    We seem to be missing some of your incisive wit and comment today...
    
    Stuart
38.1476My sincere apologies....CHEFS::CROSSAThu Aug 03 1995 15:538
    Sorry Stuart,
              That strange old concept of work has kept me subdued this
    morning. I have recorded the match of the seventies from last night and
    hopefully a viewing of this should spur me on. Just DO NOT mention the
    Leeds (scum) v Man U result...........
    
    		 Quiet_Stretch.
    
38.1477Ace Reporter StretchCHEFS::DIVERLThu Aug 03 1995 16:0314
    
    Stretch,
    
    strangely, I couldn't locate the new topic dedicated to your news
    and views, so for "Reading FC" I'm reading "Stretch: Man of the
    Moment".
    
    So are you going to the Wycombe game on Saturday? What's the latest
    on Shaka, etc.?
    
    Lunchtime is coming up, so you've no excuse. A conference waits eagerly
    for your comments.....
    
    Leonie.               
38.1478From the frontline......CHEFS::CROSSAThu Aug 03 1995 17:1811
    Leonie,
         Your intrepid reporter has spent a long hard time researching and
    fact finding at the Post House !!! No major news ... Kronenberg
    tolerable. Perhaps that should count considering it was the P**t House.
     
    I think I will probably go to the Wycombe match cos I need to vent my 
    spleen (oh errr!!) and where better than the South Bank to indulge
    oneself  !?!?!? Are you going ? Where are you getting the beers in
    beforehand etc etc 
    
    			Stretch_at_the_bar_news_at_one.
38.1479A newsflash just in .......CHEFS::CROSSAThu Aug 03 1995 17:2910
    ooooppppssss,
       
        Your intrepid reporter has just been informed by his unbeered up
    girly that we have tickets to The Canterbury Tales on Saturday. Still
    I am sure Brian Glover and Brian Cant etc will not mind a few jovial 
    "Brian, Brian whats the Score " and other adaptable classics as 
    "He's fat,He's round, He's done the production down Brian Cant Brian
    Cant !!!"
    
                       Stupid_Stretch.
38.1480Stretch is my heroCHEFS::STRATFORDSDisconnect brain from mouthThu Aug 03 1995 18:056
    <sigh>
    
    My day is now complete. Stretch has entered his thoughts for the day
    and I am contented.
    
    Stuart
38.1481Maybe not so complete afterallCHEFS::CROSSAThu Aug 03 1995 18:126
    Stuart,
         You better get back into UK_MUSIC and check the comments ref
    Weller I made. 
    
    		Multi_noting_Stretch.
    
38.1482I feel that this joke is wearing thin alreadyCHEFS::STRATFORDSDisconnect brain from mouthThu Aug 03 1995 18:205
    Stretch,
    
    We'll agree to disagree on this one....
    
    Stuart$recovering_from_the_fact_that_Stretch_is_multi_noting
38.1483clarification....CHEFS::CROSSAThu Aug 03 1995 18:315
    Stuart,
         What Shaka or Weller ?????
    
                       Stretch.
    
38.1484bothCHEFS::STRATFORDSDisconnect brain from mouthThu Aug 03 1995 18:331
    
38.1485Still got the lump in my throat...VARESE::TRNUX1::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Thu Aug 03 1995 18:459
    Those of you who know me will confirm that I don't throw praise around
    easily. However, I'd like to take this opportunity to say, over the last 
    couple of days, Stretch has entered some of the most moving notes I've
    ever had the fortune to read. And, believe me, I've dabbled in many
    a notesfile. 
    
    Makes you kind of proud to be part of the FOOTBALL conference.
    
    Dom (Secretary of the Stretch Fan Club, Italian Division)
38.1486I *might* be thereCHEFS::DIVERLThu Aug 03 1995 20:0121
    
    Stretch,
    
    yes, I'm intending to go on Saturday. However, this is likely to be
    a tad influenced by how long I spend at the Hen night I'm going to
    on Friday and my general ability to get out of bed and get my
    life together in time for the 3p.m. kick off.
    
    Drinks before the match are unlikely as I suspect I'll be feeling
    too delicate after the night before and because I'm supposed to
    be going on something of a pub crawl for another friend's
    birthday that evening.
    
    Not that there is any insinuation here that I have the same lager-
    loutish tendencies that have been noted in yourself and 
    Mr. Rutherford.
    
    btw - I'm reliably informed that The Canterbury Tales is very funny
    and worth seeing. I take it this must be a matinee performance?
    
    Leonie.
38.1487Ref Wycombe etc etc.......CHEFS::CROSSAThu Aug 03 1995 20:1510
    Leonie,
    
    ref Jason King (O.K Ian !!) .... Indeedy Dee
    
    ref Canterbury Tales...Apparently it is very finny. Actors in the crowd
    etc etc.
    
    ref Lager lout....Outside now !!!!
    
    			Beer_wearing_off_Stretch.
38.1488Hoorah !!CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Thu Aug 03 1995 20:179
    Stretch,
    
    Re ; Finny ????
    
    I don't think that Lagers worn off yet !!
    
    Ian$having_a_good_old_go!!
    
    
38.1489Talk HardSNOFS1::DAVISMHappy Harry Hard OnFri Aug 04 1995 12:014
    Oi... shut it you lot.... I wanna know about the old home town footie,
    not your sobriety or lack thereof, etc etc wibble.
    
    Martin
38.1490MARVIN::MORRELLHmmmmmm......Fri Aug 04 1995 12:137
    Well it says in the paper today that Shakka ( Shakka.. .what's the
    score ) Hislop is going to sign for Newcastle ( oooooh Tony.. ) United
    at the start of next week...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.1491CHEFS::STRATFORDSDisconnect brain from mouthFri Aug 04 1995 12:165
    Rick,
    
    They've been saying that all summer....
    
    Stuart
38.1492CHEFS::CROSSAFri Aug 04 1995 13:485
    Don't believe the hype.......Until I see Shaka in the stripey geordie
    shirt - He says tempting fate.
    
    			Hoping_it's_not_true_Stretch.
    
38.1493CHEFS::STRATFORDSDisconnect brain from mouthFri Aug 04 1995 14:088
    Stretch,
    
    He wouldn't be wearing a "stripey geordie shirt". It would be a
    goalkeepers top.
    
    hth
    
    Stuart
38.1494I do not think you should mention hair length !!!!WIMPEY::CROSSAMon Aug 07 1995 17:4634
    Mr Stratford,
    	In reply to your abusive offline mail I think I will keep the info
    to myself.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Actually having spoken with my assorted Reading chums we have drawn
    blanks about local pubs. Perhaps you could furnish us with your
    findings as I know the BLUE ARMY will be travelling to Wolves soonish
    and will need some refreshments ourselves.
    
    
    		Sorry_an_all_that_Stretch.
38.1495CHEFS::STRATFORDSDisconnect brain from mouthMon Aug 07 1995 17:598
    Stretch,
    
    Leonies the girl to ask. She seems to know all about the pubs in the
    area. I only expected to get details of a couple but got the full
    rundown on the lot. Marvellous. And given that I'm not driving tonight,
    I have the feeling that we shall be trying several of them out...
    
    Stuart
38.1496COME ON YOU WOLVES......WIMPEY::CROSSAMon Aug 07 1995 18:177
    Oh yeah. You will not here me say this again especially in this topic
    but...
    
    "COME ON YOU WOLVES !!!!!"
    
    
    		Stretch_a_temporary_Wolves_fan.
38.1497Shaka's GonePGREEN::CHALFONTWed Aug 09 1995 16:0112
38.1498ADDULT::ROBERTSONThere's always next year!!!Wed Aug 09 1995 17:0522
38.1499Why didn't they just swap?EIGER::ASHGrahame Ash @RLEThu Aug 10 1995 15:127
>I hope he is a great success at St. James , I'm sure he will be. 

Cheers, Al, I hope so too. I'm pretty surprised by it actually happening after 
all of this time. The only explanation for the delay which I can think of, is 
that Newcastle were trying to make you have Mike Hooper in exchange.

grahame
38.1500CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitThu Aug 10 1995 16:279
    Good luck to Super Shaka. If he gets a regular 1st team placement,i`m
    sure he`ll be a real cult status with the Toon Army. Elm Park won`t be
    the same without him.
    
    What will Reading do with the money? I read it`s going to be used to
    strengthen the squad which is good.
    
     
    
38.1501No need to point out the typo in the last noteYUPPY::PANESTake that and bog offThu Aug 10 1995 16:280
38.1502ADDULT::ROBERTSONThere's always next year!!!Thu Aug 10 1995 16:325
38.1503How much !!!!!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAThu Aug 10 1995 17:204
    According to the Scum,Sorry Sun he has given up about 375 thousand as a
    personal signing on fee. All in his contract or something.
    
    		Stretch.
38.1504Herman GoringCHEFS::RUANEVThu Aug 10 1995 17:417
    
    
    	So he's pocketed a miniscule 255,000 pounds.
    
    	More lucrative than darts.
    
    	Karen Yeo. (to Stretch..)
38.1505CHEFS::ROSECThu Aug 10 1995 17:5510
    Reading pocketed 1.4m from the 1.575m, the remainder going to Shaka. 
    In addition, Newcastle also handed over 175k to Shaka.  I think all
    parties should be fairly happy with the arrangement.
    
    I am going to the Reading FC fans forum tonight at the Rendevouz (live
    on Radio Berkshire at 7).  No doubt a few fans will have a moan about a
    few things, but at least it gives us a chance to air our views and to
    ask Madejski/Quinn etc a few questions.
    
    
38.1506CHEFS::STRATFORDSEverybody was a BoxerThu Aug 10 1995 17:575
    > (live on Radio Berkshire at 7).
    
    Hey, I'll be setting the dial on the wireless to that then. 
    
    Stuart
38.1507CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Aug 10 1995 18:104
    >Hey, I'll be setting the dial on the wireless to that then.
    
    No you wont - you'll be engaged in a delightful conversation with that
    cheeky chappy Mr Panes.
38.1508The highlight of Berks Radio's year & I'm going to miss it! DAMNCHEFS::STRATFORDSEverybody was a BoxerThu Aug 10 1995 18:359
38.1509CHEFS::ROSECThu Aug 10 1995 19:083
    re -1
    
    Your input will be greatly missed?
38.1510Here we go again!PGREEN::CHALFONTFri Aug 11 1995 16:3749
    Well, it hardly seems a couple of weeks ago since that great day out at
    Wembley and yet the new season starts tomorrow away at Stoke.
    
    Unfortunately this period has seen the loss of Shaka, Super Si and
    Scott Taylor - three cornerstones of last year's success. I have to say
    that I am not sure the summer signings will make up for these losses.
    
    I hope Madjeski's remark that the money raised from selling Shaka will be
    used to strengthen the squad holds true because I believe we will need
    to to reach last season's dizzy heights. 
    
    Simon Shepherd should be given his chance and a judgement made on
    whether he is an adequate replacement for Shaka (I don't believe he or
    anyone else will ever replace Shaka) mid-season. 
    
    Our defence is now our strongest asset with Adie and Dariusz at its
    heart. Andy Bernal improved throughout last season and Keith McPherson
    had an outstanding end to the season. I believe the new fullback
    Stephen Swales looks promising and I am surprised that Dylan Kerr is
    still at the club following Swales signing.
    
    The midfield is solid without having any flair players, Gilkes excepted.
    Losing both Osborn and Taylor has meant that we have lost two of our
    three most skillful players. Gooding, Parkinson and Holsgrove are
    workhorses rather than skilled footballers.
    
    The addition of Morley and Meaker means we have stronger strength in
    depth upfront this year and I hope that Lee Nogan and Stuart Lovell can
    retain their end of season form. Nogan's Wembley goal was certainly one
    of the best goals scored anywhere last season.
    
    Let's hope for as successful a season as last year but I have my
    doubts. However, no-one believed we would achieve what we did last
    year, so that experience can only be a benefit for the new season.
    
    There are no real outstanding teams in the division and on paper every
    team, with one or two exceptions, has a realistic chance of promotion.
    Whatever, I'll be at Elm Park most, if not all games, and lets hope
    last year was the springboard to greater success.
    
    
    Neil
    
    
    
    
        
    Neil 
                  
38.1511And they're off.....CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Sun Aug 13 1995 15:3810
    
    Readings' first match of the Season, away to Stoke City, ended in a 1-1
    draw. Stoke took the lead in the 13th minute through Ray Wallace, but
    Reading came back into it in the second-half, and secured a point
    through Adie Williams in the 83rd minute. Not a bad result to start the
    campaign with. Did anyone go to the game ? How did they play ? Was
    Shepherd any good ?
    
    
    Ian.
38.1512CHEFS::ROSECMon Aug 14 1995 12:5811
    Reading played well on Saturday.  Some of the reports I have read are
    amazing.  Reading had 75% of possession.  Stoke's usual uncomprising
    play meant that both Nogan and Bernal were put out of the game.
    Sheppard played well and got a fantastic reception from the away fans.
    Around 2000 noisy Reading fans made it the usual carnival atmosphere in
    the away end.
    All in all an acceptable result.  Derby at home on Saturday.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1513CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Aug 14 1995 16:2810
    I read in the Mirror that David Pleat reckons "Forget about Reading -
    the selling of Shaka surely dispelled any lingering hopes about
    promotion. Though I reckon Grimsby will do well".
    
    Hmmm. Factors that Reading didn`t have 2nd team,changed Manger half way
    through,had a miniscule squad and still managed to finish second count
    for nothing in the eyes of David Pleat. 
    
    Just lucky,I guess.
    
38.1514..CHEFS::LAINSBURYATue Aug 15 1995 16:1112
    David Pleat talks a good game. Top tactician, excellent football brain,
    you'd be pushed to find a better advisor..... that's why Luton are such
    a great team - and why Wednesday won't get any better.
    
    As for Saturday, encouraging performance - surprised Gilkes was playing
    left back in a flat back four, especially with Jones in front of him.
    they should have swapped that - but what do I know.
    
    Derby got off to a tentative start drawing at home to Port Vale. Easy
    meat.
    
    Andy
38.1515CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Aug 16 1995 16:336
    What`s all this chat about Thorsvedt the Viking being signed??
    
    I say give Simon Sheperd a good chance. The poor lad has been itching for
    a go all season.
    
    
38.1516Third after 2 games! PGREEN::CHALFONTTue Aug 22 1995 17:0724
    It has been quiet in here recently. Reading beat Derby 3-2 on Saturday
    scoring an injury time winner. This was after we had led 2-0 through
    goals by Archie and Trevor Morley. Having let this lead slip (memories
    of Wembley come flooding back) Lee Nogan scored the winner after an
    excellent run by Mick Gooding.
    
    Unfortunately I wasn't at the game due to bad planning but from what I
    have been told and read, Shepherd was not very convincing in goal and
    his handling was extremely poor. This may be due to nerves but Quinn
    said in the Evening Post last night that they were hoping to sign a
    goalkeeper within the next few day. He said they had two in mind, one
    of whom was Fraser Digby. The other names I have heard mentioned are Eric
    Thorsvedt and Chris Woods. 
    
    Away at Portsmouth on Saturday and I will be going.
    
    It is interesting to note that already after two games, there is only
    one club with a 100% record, Millwall - who we play next Tuesday
    evening. Reading infact are already three points better off than they
    were this time last season!
    
    
    Neil
        
38.1517CHEFS::STRATFORDSEverybody was a BoxerTue Aug 22 1995 17:3411
    re -1
    
    A quote from the Derby manager, Jim smith I believe:
    
    	"I wouldn't say that the Reading 'keeper was poor but everytime the
    	 ball went into their area, it looked like a goal"
    
    Err, if thats the case, Thorsvedt and woods are hardly an indication that 
    matters will improve.
    
    Stuart
38.1518Coca Cola drawCHEFS::ROSECThu Aug 24 1995 13:435
    Reading have been drawn against WBA in the 2nd round of the Coca Cola
    Cup.  First leg at Elm Park on Tuesday 19th Sept.
    
    Chris
    
38.1519A poor showPGREEN::CHALFONTTue Aug 29 1995 16:3023
    Portsmouth 0   Reading 0
    
    A very disappointing game with few chances created and no side really
    taking the initiative. Reading were probably the better team but there
    wasn't much to choose between the two. Both sides missed open goals
    with Trevor Morley being the culprit for Reading at the beginning of
    the second half, after excellent work by Mick Gooding.
    
    Michael Gilkes was absolutely useless and the crowd really got on his
    back after the first 30 minutes. Every pass he made went to a
    Portsmouth player and he was simply not prepared to run with the ball -
    his greatest skill. He looks as if he has no confidence at present and
    ought to have been substituted much earlier than he was. 
    
    Home to Millwall tonight. The whole team needs to raise its game since
    I am sure they will provide a much sterner test than Portsmouth.
    
    Great away support again with approximately 2000 Reading fans there. 
    
    
    Neil
    
        
38.1520A POOR SHOW INDEED !!!CHEFS::POLLARDPTue Aug 29 1995 18:1824
    
    I was also at fratton park on saturday and agree the performance was
    poor. I would like mention that since my last visit they have
    demolished most of the stand behind one of the goals causing a fierce
    wind to blow. The passing (or lack of it) reminded me of days past
    attempting to play football with a woolworths 99 pence ball.
    
    Michael Gilke  did have a poor game but I feel his lack of confidence
    is partly due to him continuing to play at left back.
    He filled the role towards the end of last season when Dylon Kerr was
    struggling with form and I believe he did so with tremendous
    professionalism against high quality attackers.
    
    Portsmouth were expected to be a weaker side in the league and I
    thought Steve Swales should have played left back to gain much needed
    experience at this level.
    Lets see Gilksey competing with Meaker and Williams for a midfiels
    role. 
    	
    
    
    
    
    
38.1521IOSG::HARDIEIn an office where the air-conditioning never worksTue Aug 29 1995 19:4915
    I'd tend too agree with the last two that it was a very poor game
    indeed.  Although I don't agree with .-2 in that Reading were the
    better side.  I thought that Portsmouth had the better of the possesion
    and showed more inventiveness in trying to break the opposition down,
    unfortunately for them they never even tried to shoot.
    
    Gilkes was certainly below his best to put it nicely and I agree that
    Swales should be given a chance with Gilkes moving into a midfield
    role.  I also think it's wrong to have Morley, Lovell and Nogan all
    on the pitch from the start, it'd be much better to have Morley
    (or maybe Lovell) on the bench, so for one we can have a fresh pair of
    legs up front near the end if needed.
    
    Neil
    ~~~~
38.1522TONITES GAME.CHEFS::POLLARDPTue Aug 29 1995 20:219
    
    Morley looks like being "out of action" for several games after a clash
    with gittens on saturday resulting in a fractured cheek bone.
    tonite should see the old formation of Lovall and Nogan.
    
    Please lets see a midfield of Gilkes, Gooding, Parkinson and Meaker.
    
    Phil.
     
38.1523CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Wed Aug 30 1995 15:055
    Any reviews of yesterdays match ?? Sounds as though it was a bit of a
    brutal affair !!
    
    
    Ian.
38.1524METSYS::ALLENCollyFowlerWed Aug 30 1995 15:081
    I heard this morning that a hammer was thrown at the Reading Goalie.
38.1525My view on last night........CHEFS::CROSSAWed Aug 30 1995 15:2817
    It should have been thrown at the ref. He was diabolical. All the major
    offences he booked people for had to be pointed out by the linesmen and
    crowd. Complete lack of control on his behalf could have caused a lot
    of trouble. I cannot say I am glad Milwall won on one hand, but on the
    other I can as it probably averted a lot of potential trouble.
    Final score - 9 booked, 1 sent off (could have been 5/6 from each
    team),1 v.dodgy penalty, 1 hammer thrown at the goalie, who then spent 
    the bulk of the second half looking over his shoulder .
    2 - 1 to Millwall.Puts tem top of the table.
    Reading slide down to #8, which was the lowest they went last year.
    Let's hope the same applies this year !!!
    
    
    			Fuming_Stretch_!!!!!
    
    P.S The Portsmouth game was cr*p. Both sides equally guilty. Gilkes was
    the laziest I have ever seen him.  
38.1526A nasty gameCHEFS::DIVERLWed Aug 30 1995 15:5523
    
    I agree with Stretch: the referee was atrocious. Most of his decisions
    seemed to be aimed at appeasing the Milwall crowd - especially after
    the hammer was thrown at Simon Sheppard. Was it a hammer? I couldn't
    see it properly; just the silver glinting and we thought it was a
    knife.
    
    Reading were 1-0 up at half time after a good goal from Gooding, 
    whom I thought played well. The game seemed to explode in the second
    half. It didn't look to me as if the penalty should ever have been
    given. I was more favourably impressed with Sheppard this time and
    he made at least one very good save. Not sure about their second 
    goal - it seemed to me that Andy Bernal was at fault through getting in
    the way.
    Steve Swales had a good game and looks extremely promising.
    It all got very messy at the end and loads of Reading players were
    getting booked.
    
    I just hope that after refereeing like that last night, Reading get a
    few border-line decisions going in their favour later in the season, so
    it all balances out.
    
    Leonie.
38.1527What a referee!!PGREEN::CHALFONTWed Aug 30 1995 16:1646
38.1528re the hammerIOSG::TYLDESLEYWed Aug 30 1995 18:035
    Did the referee (or linesmen) see the hammer-throwing incident?
    Surely if Sheppard was so worried (and rightly so), shouldn't 
    the game have been stopped or something?
    regards,
    DaveT
38.1529Allied carpets' new signingCHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Wed Aug 30 1995 18:248
    So, Reading have splashed out 300 grand on Jasper Carrots "Wiggy"
    character. Bought the copyrights and everything !! It's a good buy for
    that price, but I'm sure that he's going to have to take one hell of a
    lot of stick !! Shouts of "Keep yer hair on" and "Wiggy, what's the
    score ?" will ring out from Elm Park this season. Who knows, maybe
    they'll start throwing combs at this keeper instead of hammers !!
    
    Ian$laughing_my_bloody_head_off(not hair off !!)
38.1530CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Aug 30 1995 20:135
    I thought the highlight of the Millwall game was a rousing rendition
    of "boom,boom,boom everybody say Swales (Swales)" to the tune of
    the recent Outhere Brothers hit.
    
    
38.1531METSYS::ALLENCollyFowlerWed Aug 30 1995 20:212
    Then they must've got the idea from the Man U supporters on monday
    night singing "Boom boom boom let me hear you say Keano".
38.1532CHEFS::GEORGEMGewn ni GorffenWed Aug 30 1995 20:281
Bet they were up all night on that one...
38.1533CHEFS::EDWARDSDWed Aug 30 1995 20:524
    Actually Matt, I think it shows a certain amount of flair.  In keeping
    with the original lyrics, the obvious choice for Utd fans was "Boom
    boom boom, let me hear you say MAYO".  Lets applaud their inventiveness
    instead of making cheap digs. 
38.1534McClairo, Irwino, Pallistero...CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Wed Aug 30 1995 20:554
    What about Schmeicalo. Now that does sound inventive !!
    
    
    Ian.
38.1535Nope, sounds stupidCHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Aug 30 1995 20:561
    
38.1536IOSG::HARDIEIn an office where the air-conditioning never worksWed Aug 30 1995 21:0422
    re: .1528

>    Did the referee (or linesmen) see the hammer-throwing incident?

    The referee was that bad he'd have probably missed the hammer-throwing
    incident if the hammer had hit him.

    re: .1529

>    So, Reading have splashed out 300 grand on Jasper Carrots "Wiggy"
>    character. Bought the copyrights and everything !! It's a good buy for
>    that price, but I'm sure that he's going to have to take one hell of a
>    lot of stick !! Shouts of "Keep yer hair on" and "Wiggy, what's the
>    score ?" will ring out from Elm Park this season. Who knows, maybe
>    they'll start throwing combs at this keeper instead of hammers !!

    Probably not as much stick as the Pompey keeper is going to get this
    season though, shouts of "Dowie's got a brother" and "You're ugly ahhh".

    Neil
    ~~~~

38.1537Dodgy Ref ....Dodgy Ref .......Dodgy Ref !!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAWed Aug 30 1995 21:1713
    ref Did the ref see the incident. NO. It was the third occasaion, at
    least,at which the linesman,and crowd had to tell the idiot ref what
    was going on !!!
    
    
              
    Stretch_whose_dog_would_have_done_a_better_job_than_Mr.P.Jerer(from
    Tipton)(I wonder if he is ex-directory ????)
    
    
    P.S He was the stand in as the original ref could not make it. Mind you
    the original ref was from Swindon so gawd knows what he could have done
    to get revenge for them getting the drop !!!
38.1538Come in Cunno, your time is up !!CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Fri Sep 01 1995 20:405
    Seems as though Readings new keeper was fairly highly rated in the 1994
    World Cup (See Note 423.5). Even Cunno picked him !!!
    
    
    Ian$still_gonna_call_him_Wiggy_though
38.1539CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Sep 04 1995 16:462
    Any reports of the limp 0-0 result against the Shrimpers last Friday??
    
38.1540MATCH REPORTCHEFS::POLLARDPTue Sep 05 1995 16:4920
    
    A good match for the neutral supporter. Super Si had a mare in the
    first half but redeemed himself with a confident second half.
    
    Parky was unlucky to be red carded, the ref was up to the usual first
    division standard.
    
    Jimmy Quinn made an appearance for the last thirty and what a
    difference he made. He and Lovell ran the shrimpers ragged and both
    were unlucky not to find the net.
    
    I think we have a team that can make the play offs if the govners can
    agree on team selection.
    
    Martin Williams and Gilksey came off the bench and gave the team much
    needed pace and width, come on lets see them start a game.
    
    
    Phil. 
    
38.1541Tickets for sale.....get them while they are hot !!!CHEFS::CROSSAWed Sep 06 1995 12:5610
    We have three spare tickets for the Leicester game on Saturday 16th at
    Filbert St. Price is ten pounds each + one pound booking fee.
    If you are interested give me, or Clare a call asap, as I am in
    training for the thu/fri of this week, and we are both off next week.
    
    Stretch - 7830 2919        Evenings - 01734 571281
    Clare   - 7830 2151
    
    Leave a message if we are on other calls. You will get a call back,
    even if only to say sorry they have gone.
38.1542Don't mention the Millwall game.CHEFS::LAINSBURYAWed Sep 06 1995 17:527
    Little snippet in the Today about renewing interest in Neil Lunnon of
    Crewe. 300k.
    
    Anyone got any insider news ?
    
    Andy.
    
38.15433 pointsCHEFS::ROSECSun Sep 10 1995 14:5015
    A comfortable 3-1 win over a poor Luton side.  With Morley and
    McPherson missing through injury, and Wdowczyk having to go off
    injured, Reading did enough to win.
    
    Gilkes was playing as left back, and both Martin Williams and Meaker
    played.  Nogan was, again, outstanding for Reading and fully deserved
    his two goals.
    
    Reading are now 11th in what appears to be an extremely close division. 
    A win over Grimsby on Tuesday would no doubt put us back in touch with
    the leading teams.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1544CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Sep 11 1995 21:328
    An update on the new keeper??
    
    From all accounts,Sheperd isn`t cutting the mustard. Shame,really.
    
    A decent midfielder would go down a treat as well,which I do believe
    Reading are working on (Lennon of Crewe etc).
    
    
38.1545Reading loseIOSG::TYLDESLEYWed Sep 13 1995 13:074
    Only saw the highlights on local news Reading 0 - Grimbsy 2.
    Simon Sheppard seemed 'rooted to the ground' (where've I heard that
    before?)  for the first goal.
    DaveT
38.1546DireCHEFS::LAINSBURYAWed Sep 13 1995 14:015
    	For the second, he made a save, the ball looped in the air towards
    the goal, Gilkesy was just about to head away, and Shephard came
    charging in and pushed him out of the way. Sad. He's got to go.
    
    
38.1547CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Sep 13 1995 14:081
    So whats wrong with Wiggy then?
38.1548CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Sep 13 1995 15:4616
    Wiggy needs a work permit,though I`ve read this won`t be a problem.
    
    A new goalkeeper is desperately needed. I reckon with a decent keeper,
    both goals could have been avoided. 
    
    Also,a creative midfield player is needed as well. Meeker runs around
    like a headless chicken,though the other new boy Martin Williams played
    ok.
    
    Highlight of the game was "you only sing when you`re fishing" and
    "what`s it like to shag a fish?"
    
    I counted 54 people on the away terrace. Though there were a few more
    in the seats.
    
    
38.1549CHEFS::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURWed Sep 13 1995 16:2412
    
    This game was my first visit to elm park this season, and i think that
    it maybe my last. Reading just didn't have a clue... The Reading keeper
    wouldn't even get a game for a local park side, at one point he dropped
    the ball and it almost went into the goal, instead it went for a
    corner. He may as well give up now, he has no future in the game..
    Everytime Reading passed the ball it went to a grimsby player, i dont
    remember them even having a shot worth talking about..THEY WERE CRAP!!!
    How can they expect people to pay 8 pounds to watch this rubbish....?
    
    Andy..B
    
38.1550 CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Sep 13 1995 19:403
    ...and I suppose your "proper" football team always plays so
    wonderfully you don`t resent paying your 15-25 quid?
    
38.1551CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Sep 13 1995 19:451
    
38.1552CHEFS::BAREFIELDABLUE IS THE COLOURWed Sep 13 1995 19:595
    
    I think the best place for Reading is Smallmead, you may as well
    play sh*t on sh*t.....
    
    Andy..B
38.1553?CHEFS::ROSECWed Sep 13 1995 21:066
    -1
    
    Surprising you even went on Tuesday, part time football fans don't
    normally come out in the rain.
    
    
38.1554METSYS::ALLENCollyFowlerWed Sep 13 1995 21:193
    >>part time football fans don't normally come out in the rain.
    
    Are you making references to his sexuality?
38.1555And a pound off with PTL!CHEFS::DIVERLWed Sep 13 1995 21:5035
    
    Re .1549 & .1552:
    
    Andy,
    personally, I think you're being a little hard on Reading.
    Nogan and Gooding both worked hard and I thought we began both the
    first and second halves well. Martin Williams seems to be settling
    into the side now and there were times when I thought they were really
    getting it together as a team.
    
    Michael Meaker was hopeless, although he did force a save from the
    Grimsby keeper. Gooding had a great shot saved in the second half
    and Lovell hit the bar.
    
    Simon Sheppard - well, what can I say? I was stunned by the first
    Grimsby goal within 10 minutes; Sheppard just didn't seem to do
    anything. It didn't look to me as though there was much he could do
    about their second goal, though. I would like to think that some of
    his mistakes last night were due to the slippery surface, but he just
    seemed to totally loose his confidence after the first goal.
    
    Towards the end, tempers were starting to fray around me on the
    South Bank and lots of free "advice" being offered to the team.
    I don't understand why Steve Swales wasn't brought on as a sub.,
    to allow Gilkes to play further forward?
    
    General feeling was summed up for me by someone querying whether there
    were any takers for his Leicester tickets, as we left.
    
    Anyway, according to today's local paper, Graham Kelly's help has
    been enlisted to try and hurry through the work permit for Wiggy.
    John Madejski is hopeful that this might come through today and that
    Mikhailov might be playing for Reading this Saturday.
    
    Leonie.
38.1556CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Sep 18 1995 15:4313
    Leicester 1 Reading 1
    
    A great game,which gives a lot more hope for the rest of the season.
    
    Simon Sheperd played out of his skin,as did Holsgrove,Gooding (of
    course) and the likes of McPherson and the new no 8 who I didn`t
    recognise.
    
    It`s a tight league,but I reckon if we can string just 2 or 3 wins
    together we`ll be right back in there. (Or do I live in vain?)
    
    
    
38.1557CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosMon Sep 18 1995 15:464
    From the highlights I saw, Shepard played well but seemed to be a tad
    of a butter fingers for the goal. Fair comment?
    
    Stuart
38.1558CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Sep 18 1995 16:053
    Yup,ironically the goal was an error by the keeper. But you can`t
    knock him,as he pulled of at least 3 sensational saves.
    
38.1559Reserves resultCHEFS::ROSECTue Sep 19 1995 17:4211
    The new keeper didn't play last night in the Reserves 7-1 win over
    Crawley.   Although if he had played, he would have been a virtual
    spectator.  Goals from Quinn (2), Lambert (2), Codner (on trial from
    Brighton), Gordon and Kerr reflected the massive difference in class.
    
    Certainly Swales, Kerr, Quinn and Lambert did themselves no harm and
    could be in involved tomorrow night against WBA.  
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1560Tomorrow's MatchVESSA::HUSBANDRTue Sep 19 1995 18:057
    As a West Brom fan at Dec Park (no don't laugh), I'll be going to the
    game tommorrow night. I haven't been to Elm Park before, is the 'away'
    end under cover ? What's the price of admission for away fans ?
    
    West Brom are currently going pretty well - so should be an
    entertaining game. I'm hopefull for a decent result ready for the
    second leg. Regards Richard.
38.1561What do you expect for 8 quid?CHEFS::ROSECTue Sep 19 1995 19:388
    re -1
    
    Yes the away end is under cover.......cloud cover!
    The admission is 8 sovs.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1562Or an away win!VESSA::HUSBANDRTue Sep 19 1995 21:243
    re last 
    
    Thanks for the info. My prediction is a low scoring draw. 
38.1563Reading 2 Port Vale 2PGREEN::CHALFONTMon Sep 25 1995 15:3144
    Reading 2      Port Vale 2
    (Lambert 2)    (Mills, Glover)
    
    A very poor game which Reading did not deserve to get a draw from
    equalising in the 2nd minute of injury time. The game started quite
    brightly, although Port Vale had the beter chances. They deservedly
    took the lead after 25 minutes when a cross from the left was met by
    Mills who was left completely unmarked and he beat Boris Mikhailov from
    12 yards, although Boris fatally hesitated in coming out (he probably
    couldn't believe that there was not a defender in sight). Jamie Lambert
    then equalised five minutes later scoring an excellent individual goal
    beating 2 or 3 defenders in the process. However, Port Vale soon
    regained the lead when yet again a cross from the left was met by an
    unmarked Vale player who had all the time in the world to beat Boris.
    
    The second half was dire as far as Reading were concerned. Vale
    obviously tried to hold onto their lead and deserved to really but
    Reading yet again managed to score in the dying seconds. From a free
    kick on the left, Gilkes knocked the ball back to Kerr whose good
    curling cross was met by Lambert's diving header which deflected the
    ball away from the goalkeeper. This was the second time already this
    season that Reading have scored in the last minute (the first was
    against Derby) having won or drawn several games last year in the same
    way.
    
    Naturally the crowd were bemoaning the performance after the game but I
    am not sure what people are expecting this year. Saturday's team was
    missing Hislop, Williams, Wdowchyk, Gooding, Osborn and Taylor from the
    team who played at Wembley - is it any wonder that we are not
    performing to last season's level. Unfortunately we are not going to
    this year - you cannot sell your best players and replace them with
    inferior quality players and expect to do so well.
    
    The league table shows that there is no dominant team in the division.
    Reading are currently 14th but are only six point below the leaders.
    However, we are only five points off the bottom. The differential in
    the Premiership between first and last place is 17, in Div 2 is 19 and
    in Div 3 is 15. Division 1 will remain tight all season in my opinion
    but Reading are going to have to improve considerably if they wish to
    be in the play-off picture come next April/May.
    
    
    Neil
                                                                        
38.1564CHEFS::ROSECMon Sep 25 1995 15:5517
    -1  Exactly right.
    
    No team in Division One appears good enough at this stage to put any
    sort of decent run together.  Only Tranmere have managed to not have
    been beaten at least twice already this season.
    Reading's home record is identical to that of the top two clubs - a
    lack of consistency right through the division.
    
    Only 8 points covers top spot to 22nd place.
    
    Certainly Reading will benefit from the return of Williams, Gooding and
    Wdowczyk.  And just maybe Lambert may start showing some of the
    potential which he obviously has.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1565ADDULT::ROBERTSONYou are only coming through in wavesTue Oct 03 1995 16:0220
Reading are becoming draw specialists again.

They drew 2-2 with Sunderland at Roker Park on Sat.

They went into the lead twice but threw it away.

Goals from Lovell & Kerr.

Lee Nogan is out for 2-3 games after a tackle from Paul Bracewell that required
Lee to be stretchered off the field.

At least they've not lost any away games yet ;-)

2nd Leg of the CCC tonight at the Hawthornes. An away win would be nice for a
change, but....

The team may as well stay in the Midlands, as they've got West Brom again on
Saturday, this time in the league.

Al
38.1566Some good news from last night - hurrah !!!CHEFS::CROSSAWed Oct 04 1995 12:5318
    Due ot the fact that Meridian consider the Manc v York game to be in
    their area the coverage of Reading's game was goals only.
    
    I think Jimmy Q got 2 (?), Chris Lambert passed about 3/4 defenders
    before a good strike went in, not sure who got the 4th.
    
    Final score 4- 2 on the night, 5-3 overall. Let's hope Reading can
    build on this away win and keep the momentum up as we have slumped to
    about 16th (?) in the league. Ironically enough our next away game is
    at The Hawthorns  again this Saturday. I would imagine it will be a
    good game asReading will be on a bit of a buzz, and West Brom will want
    REVENGE !!!
    
    Oh I just remebered Lovell scored on 11 minutes,and one of Jimmy Q's
    was a penalty .(actually I cribbed a look at the paper !!)
    
    
    	Silver_lining_on_the_cloud_Stretch.
38.1567MARVIN::MORRELLCryin' when I met ya, now I'm tryin' to forget ya..Wed Oct 04 1995 12:555
    Looks like a good win for Reading.. I was pleased they beat West Brom!
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.1568What a draw!PGREEN::CHALFONTThu Oct 05 1995 11:4417
    Reading have been awarded following their good win on Tuesday with a
    home draw against BURY!  
    
    Why is it that we always get crap draws? They are even one of our bogey
    teams.
    
    The ties are to be played w/b 23rd October, so it is likely the game
    will be on Tuesday 24th.
    
    Apparently the team played really well on Tuesday against West Brom -
    the best performance of the season - mind you on the games I have seen
    this season that wouldn't be hard to achieve. Lets hope for a repeat
    on Saturday.
    
    
    Neil
    
38.1569Dream draw !!!!CHEFS::CROSSAThu Oct 05 1995 12:236
    I agree, What an awful draw. I wanted Leeds(X3) for biased reasons, but
    Bury !!! Huge crowds expected, should be an all ticket affair !!
    
    
    
   			Stretch.
38.1570CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Oct 05 1995 12:3412
    re the last couple
    
    I'm surprised at what appears to be an air of disappointment here. With
    the way Premiership clubs have performed over the last couple of days,
    it would appear that this years competition is going at least one lower 
    division side is going to do well. Looking at the draw, there are at
    least 2 Premiership sides leaving the tournament next round and Leeds
    (x3), Arsenal and Newcastle all have tricky away ties. Reading should
    be happy to be playing a team they should beat and be looking forward
    to a decent cup run for a change.
    
    Stuart 
38.1571The problem is should beat = CHEFS::CROSSAThu Oct 05 1995 13:2912
    Stuart,
     The problem is in the line containg the words " should beat". As
    certain clubs have fallen at this hurdle in the cup already, and
    Reading have in the league, it is not so much the crap draw, as the
    fact we could well go out to them. It would not be so bad getting
    hammered by the Newcastle types. At least the humiliation is not so
    great, but BURY would leave a rather bad taste, as well as allowing
    people such as your goodself the oppurtunity to rub salt into the 
    wound !!!
             	
    
    		Stretch_who_is_being_a_little_negative.
38.1572CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Oct 05 1995 13:325
    Stretch,
    
    You've got a bad vibe today. 
    
    Stuart
38.1573ADDULT::ROBERTSONYou are only coming through in wavesThu Oct 05 1995 14:4012
Stu,

It's not the fact that we've drawn a lower division club, it's the fact that
it's Bury. Reading playing Bury is to Royals fans what Arsenal playing Chelsea
at Stamford Bridge is to you.

However, saying that, until Tuesday our record against WBA wasn't exactly
inspiring.

Here's to the 4th Round

Al
38.1574League first, cup secondPGREEN::CHALFONTThu Oct 05 1995 15:4418
    As far as I am concerned the Coca-Cola Cup is of secondary importance
    to the league, and therefore I would prefer to get drawn against a big
    club. We may be expected to lose, but as has been proved many times
    this week, the bigger clubs can be vulnerable. Should we win, we would
    then not only get some headlines but we would have made some money with
    the prospect of making more. If we lose, then we would have at least
    made some money.
    
    By playing against teams such as Bury, we are the team to be shot at
    with the prospect of making little money. I would imagine the crowd for
    the Bury game will be well below the league average. OK we may progress
    another round, but at the end of the day I would rather play a big
    club early, make some money and then concentrate on the real business
    of gaining promotion.
    
    
    Neil
                
38.1575500-1 outsiders BuryCHEFS::DIVERLThu Oct 05 1995 17:489
    According to today's Evening Post, the tie will be played on
    Tuesday, 24th October (7.45.p.m. K.O.).
    
    Jimmy Quinn is reportedly delighted with the draw and would prefer to
    meet one of the bigger teams further into the competition.
    
    He also expresses a hope that the game will be well supported...
    
    Leonie. 
38.15760-2CHEFS::ROSECMon Oct 09 1995 16:0815
    A dissapointing second-half by Reading let WBA take all three points. 
    Quinn missed a good chance just before half-time, and a very lethargic
    attitude after half-time was unacceptable.
    
    I assume that Nogan will be back on Saturday.
    
    As I have said before there are not too many points separating the
    relegation from play-off places.  Reading do however need a
    confidence-boosting win.
    
    Maybe a new signing might help, although panic buying isn't the answer.
    
    Chris
    
     
38.1577Saturdays resultCHEFS::CROSSAMon Oct 09 1995 17:1613
    Reading are now three points off the bottom. BUT there is only
    something like 12 points between top and bottom. Things are too tight
    in the league for Reading to carry on the way things are going. The
    only thing that can be used as an excuse is the lack of a full first
    team being fielded. This will not be for too long hopefully (unless
    Shepperd has not learned to stay on his line !!) 
    
    Was Boris injured on Saturday BTW.?? From the goals only highlights I
    saw, it did look as though Shep could have got to the first goal, and
    was being perhaps a little too acrobatic ??
    
    
    		Not_too_worried_yet_Stretch.
38.1578Boris is backCHEFS::ROSECMon Oct 09 1995 17:4413
    re -1
    
    Boris was away on duty in Bulgaria - hence the 2 games he missed
    against WBA.  I believe he's due back in the UK today/tomorrow.
    Naturally he kept another clean sheet as Bulgaria have easily qualified
    for next summer's Euro Championships.
    
    Although Shep could be blamed for the first goal, he didn't play too
    badly.  He will almost certainly lose his place on Saturday though.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1579wakey wakeyCHEFS::JAMESPMon Oct 09 1995 19:5215
    
    Stretch..
    
    Can you play or do you know anything about footy as the "I think
    he could have that" is a load of B*ll*cks.
    
    I know I'm not the biggest fan of old Simon but being a member of the
    Goalkeeping school I would sugget very few present keepers would have 
    managed to keep that shot out, certainly not flapper Lukic.
    
    The ball was the classic keeper nightmare.. Ball hit on the up with
    the dip at the end plus there was a high degree of swerve to add to 
    the complication. 
    
    Pj
38.1580I am awake Paul - unlike Shepperd sometimes !!!CHEFS::CROSSAMon Oct 09 1995 20:1822
    Mr James,
    	Before I gave up an active role in Fitba my position (not
    surprisingly) was between the posts !!!!!
    
    With regard to the comment I made (on the goals only ) highlight I still
    stand by what I said. From a witness to the game (poor s*d). His
    comment was that Shep appeared to try and tip it over, in a scooping
    motion, not the simpler parry option. No one else has picked up on the
    comment otherwise, so I will assume the verdict is the same.
    
    	I have witnessed Shep commit bigger nouse ups than that, and have
    tried to put it down to the lack of first team football. Things do not
    seem to be improving though !!! BUT i will still say he needs more
    time. See I can be charitable about goalies !!! Normally I am more
    inclined to have a bitch at the defence who should stop things getting
    that far.
    
    	With regard to me talking a load of B*ll*cks - So what's new ???
    
    
    		Standing_by_what_he_said_Stretch_!!!
                                                          
38.1581P.SCHEFS::CROSSAMon Oct 09 1995 20:263
    P.S Paul - Why the Lukic comment. I hope to God you do not have some
    mad idea that I am a Leeds(x3) fan. I leave that to brainless hippies
    like Dusty !!!!
38.1582CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosMon Oct 09 1995 20:306
    Stretch,
    
    I think the comment stems from your obsession with Leeds (x3)
    reserves....
    
    Stuart
38.1583PGREEN::CHALFONTMon Oct 09 1995 20:3823
    A disappointing result especially since we had beaten them so
    convincingly on Tuesday. Personally I would rather have lost in the cup
    and won the league fixture.
    
    One of Reading's biggest problems this season is being able to pick the
    same side. I doubt we have been able to pick the same team two games
    running all season. Certainly the combination at the back changes each
    week and things would surely improve if we could get both Adie and Darius
    (our best two players without doubt) fit and playing together.
    
    The division is so close as I have discussed before but we cannot
    afford to drift too far from the top. We definately need to get back to
    winning ways against Huddersfield on Saturday.
    
    Did anyone see the horrific picture of Trevor Morley in the paper the
    other day? Mind you the graphic detail of the operation he endured was
    even worse. It is no surprise that he will be unlikely to play again
    until the New Year at the earliest.
    
    Neil
    
    PS I also thought Shepherd's effort to save the first goal on Saturday was
    poor.     
38.1584MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Oct 10 1995 11:367
    >mad idea that I am a Leeds(x3) fan
    
    	Go on Stretch.. admit it.. you really like Leeds don't you!
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.1585Jimmy Quinn, my hero !!!!CHEFS::CROSSAThu Oct 12 1995 14:4011
    .1584 Rick I think you know the answer to that !!!
    
    
    What I really wanted to say was Jimmy Q scored a brilliant 38 yard goal
    last night in the Irish game against Malta (o.k the keeper was a little
    dodgy !!). 
    It looked as though he played the full 90 minutes. Let us see if he can
    do the same against the mighty Huddersfield this Saturday.
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1586Malta i Think NotSIOG::SMYTHThu Oct 12 1995 14:551
    Get it right N.Ireland were playing Leichtenstein not Malta
38.1587CHEFS::CROSSAThu Oct 12 1995 15:035
    oooppppsss.
    
    Still a blinding goal though !!!!
    
    			Stretch.
38.1588Excuse Me !!!CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Thu Oct 12 1995 17:1811
    Stretch,
    
    	     >>	RE: 38 Yards
    
    Did you go on to the pitch and measure the distance then ??
    
    Thought not !!
    
    		Ian$we're metric_now_anyway!!!
    
    
38.1589Sweden Sweden Sweden Sweden Sweden Sweden Sweden !!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAThu Oct 12 1995 18:0114
    
    Ian,You know full well that you gave me that measurement !!! The S*n said
    25 yards so I will split the difference. 
    
    ANYWAY it was a bloody good looking goal after sitting through that
    lame excuse for a game on Sky !!!
    
    Ref metric - As Mr Alan Partridge would say " KISS MY ARSE !!!! "
    
    
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S Scored a better goal than the Scots though did'nt he Ian !! eh ? eh?
    eh?                                                            
38.1590HA HA HA !!!CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Thu Oct 12 1995 18:2720
    Stretch,
    
    	Lets take the game into context. Northern Ireland were playing a
    Group match against that mighty footballing nation, Lichtenstein, and
    Scotland were playing a friendly against the World Cup Semi-Finalists,
    Sweden. Scotland were reduced to playing John McGinlay because they had
    that many injuries, whereas Ireland fielded a near enough full strength
    team. Scotland lost 2-0 and were outplayed for a lot of the match, but
    still managed to create a few chances, including John McGinlay shooting
    like a girl when he should have done better and Alan McLaren hitting 
    the outside of the Swedes post, when it was still 0-0 !! Lichtenstein
    had 0 shots on goal and the closest they came to scoring was a back
    pass !!
    
    P.S. It was a shame to see Gary McAllister get injured, but luckily
    he's not in my Fantasy Football Team. Wait a minute !! Isn't he in 
    your team, Stretch. Oh Dear !!
    
    Cheers,		
    		Ian.
38.1591Royals 3 - 1 Huddersfield TownADDULT::ROBERTSONYou are only coming through in wavesSun Oct 15 1995 19:2853
38.1592At last!PGREEN::CHALFONTMon Oct 16 1995 12:0155
    Al,
    
    I agree totally. This was by far the best performance this season. With
    the exception of Nogan (who would normally play instead of Quinn), we
    actually were fielding what I believe is our best team for the last 20
    minutes of the game.
    
    The starting line up was as follows with Gooding replacing Holsgrove:
    Mikhailov
    Bernal
    Williams
    Wdowchyk
    Kerr
    Lambert
    Holsgrove
    Parkinson
    Gilkes
    Quinn
    Lovell
    
    Subs: Jones, Nogan, Gooding
    
    The back four looked more solid on Saturday (despite the goal). I am
    glad to see them revert to a traditional 4-4-2 formation. Playing 3
    central defenders worked well at the end of last season and was a major
    factor in our end of season success, but it hasn't worked this season
    mainly because we haven't been able to field the same three players
    once.
    
    Holsgrove isn't playing as well as last season and you just have to
    play Micky Gooding if he is fit. He does the work of three players
    alone.
    
    Even Quinn played well on Saturday looking to go forwards rather than
    back all the time - its only a pity he hasn't got any pace these days. 
    
    I have to agree though that the Gilkes-Kerr partnership was brilliant
    on Saturday. Dylan has been giving glimpses of what might happen each
    time he has come on as sub. Mind you the Huddersfield right full back
    was slow and once Gilkes gets an early run on the full back and beats
    him, you know he is going to have a good game. It was only a matter of
    time before the full back was sent off because the only way he was
    going to stop anyone was by committing a foul.
    
    Finally, I was very impressed with Andy Booth of Huddersfield. You
    could see why he is already a Under 21 international - I bet he will
    leave for the Premiership before the end of the season.
    
    Lets hope this form continues.
    
    
    
    Neil
                                                                   
    
38.1593A well deserved three points CHEFS::CROSSAMon Oct 16 1995 13:3531
    I agree  with the previous notes. Reading needed a kick up the backside
    after the first half. Things were looking ropey after conceding the
    goal. Bloody awful defending. Second half Reading were back to passing
    the ball on the ground which always seems to suit them better than the
    hoof it up field and hope, or juggling the ball between heads and hope
    for a lucky drop. I think the result was fair on the day, especially
    the second half performance. Gilkes played a blinder and Lambert looks
    very good cutting in from the sides. I think that is the third goal
    scored in that fashion in the last 4 -5 games. Mind you the
    Huddersfield defence backed off and let him have the shot. 25 yard
    screamer. 
    Good performance from all players especially Gilkes, Lambert, Kerr and 
    Gooding as usual in the little time he came on for.Nice chip by Adie
    for his well earned goal.   
    A mention for Boris for the save he made from the quickly taken free
    kick which only he and the guy taking the kick seemed to be aware of.
    I felt sorry for Archie who was running his socks of all game and did
    not have just the littlest bit of luck which he really needs at the
    moment. 
    The only problem I really see at the moment is the lack of height at
    the front when crosses are played in. Only Quinn has the needed height
    and when Nogan comes back we will miss that as Lovell and Nogan are not
    exactly giants.
    
    I am sure I have forgotten something (that was due to going straight
    into the Spread after the game and staying til closing) but will return
    later if my hazy memory comes back on line.
    
    
    			Stretch.
                             
38.1594Cheerio Ade?CHEFS::ROSECTue Oct 17 1995 16:4817
    A mention in one of the papers today that Reading could be prepared to
    let Ade Williams go, to fund further players.  No doubt that Reading
    would receive in excess of 1.5m.
    
    Against - 1) Could Reading hold out for his real value in todays
                 ridiculous price market?
              2) Would mean that Ade, Super Si, Taylor and Shaka have left
                 from last season's successful team.
    
    For - 1) Ade missed a huge chunk of last season through injury anyway.
          2) Currently have McPherson, Wdowczyk, the emerging Thorp, and
             Bernal as centre backs already.
          3) The money would be handy!
    
    Chris
    
      
38.1595Not yet at least.PGREEN::CHALFONTTue Oct 17 1995 16:5913
    I had heard that Adie wants out at the end of the season anyway,
    whatever happens. Since his contract expires then, from a business
    point of view, it would be more sensible to sell him sooner rather than
    later to maximimise the fee.
    
    Having said that, he would be a great loss. Adie and Dariusz are as good
    a centre-back partnership as any in our division - they are the
    backbone of the current team. 
    
    Personally I hope the reports are wrong.
    
    
    Neil 
38.1596CHEFS::CROSSATue Oct 17 1995 17:2115
    Just a quick note. 
    
    I do not want Adie to go for a variety of reasons which time does not
    permit me to go into. 
    I saw the report in the paper, and it said it was for financial reasons
    that this was being considered. 
    One question - Where the bloody hell has the money from Shaka ,Si and
    Taylor gone ???? O.K, we bought Bobby, Morley and Meaker but that still 
    leaves some dosh over.
    
    
    			Busy_Stretch.
    
    P.S Is anyone else going over the Post House to watch the Raith-Bayern
    game ??
38.1597Erm.....CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Tue Oct 17 1995 17:285
    Stretch,
    
    		Yes.
    
    	Ian.
38.1598Oldham 2 - 1 ReadingADDULT::ROBERTSONYou are only coming through in wavesMon Oct 23 1995 13:0218
Well according to all reports I have heard/read, Reading were back to their
inconsistent worst on Saturday.

They'd better improve tomorrow, or a shock could be on the cards. Bury are 4th
from bottom in Div 3, so knowing Reading, they'll play down to them.

Stretch,

I'll be in the Spread from about 7pm, so I'll see you down there.

Well the plans for the new stadium were released last week. 25,000 all-seater,
with the most modern facilities available in the country, apparently. Building
is expected to begin in about 8 months time, and it should be ready for the
97/98 season. The only worry is that the football team won't be able to do the
stadium justice!!


Al
38.1599CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Oct 23 1995 15:356
    A very disappointing result. I didn`t go to the game,but after
    Huddersfield,I thought we might have turned the corner.
    
    What`s the point of having a 25,000 seater stadium if you`re only
    going to get 5-9,000 peope?
    
38.1600MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Oct 23 1995 15:436
    Hmmm... I'm sure the visiting fans will think up some suitable chants
    to link the team with the Whitley Whiff....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.1601Escapology extraordinaireCHEFS::WEAVERDWed Oct 25 1995 11:535
    Quiet in here this morning.
    
    This puts a new meaning to "the hand of God". 
    
    Lucky or what?? Any comments
38.1602CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Oct 25 1995 12:548
    What a sad waste of 8 pounds. Got up there,soaked to the skin,only
    to see the "mighty" Bury lead 2 nil after 15 minutes then have the
    referee to abandon the game. Just as well,as Reading were crap.
    
    The only highlight was the obligatory Bury fat bloke showing the Southbank
    his huge stomach in the lashing rain. 
    
    
38.1603ADDULT::ROBERTSONYou are only coming through in wavesWed Oct 25 1995 13:0917
As someone said down the Spread after the game, it was the best referee we've
had a Elm Park this season ;-)

Reading were awful, but I guess that it was due to the conditions. They tried
their normal passing game, but the ball kept getting stuck in the puddles. Bury
had the conditions sussed. Hit it and hope was definitely the order of the night.

I wasn't too bothered, I bumped into a friend I'd lost contact with 4 years ago,
and we spent the rest of the evening downing the Murphys.

Anyone know what's happening about the rematch?

By then, we should know who we'd be playing in the next round. Hopefully it will
be a team that will give the players a bit of motivation to go out and win. Is
the draw tomorrow on GMTV?

Al_Still_soaked
38.1604Why do people take mobile phones to matches?CHEFS::DIVERLWed Oct 25 1995 13:436
    
    Regarding the rematch: very difficult to make out anything being said
    over the tannoy but I did make out the words 'Evening Post' so I
    presume there'll be something in today's paper about it.
    
    Leonie.
38.1605CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Oct 25 1995 13:5612
    re -1
    
    > Why do people take mobile phones to matches?
    
    Because they are in the middle of important business deals and need to
    be able to contact people very easily.
    
    Either that or they are poseurs.
    
    Hmmm, Rick have you got one?
    
    Stuart
38.1606MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Oct 25 1995 14:037
    NO... I will never have one....
    
    Only Southerners.... and people who support ManU have mobile phones.
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.1607But at least i'm not a RANGERS fan eh Ian !!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAWed Oct 25 1995 14:2220
    I made the decision to stay in the pub, which 30 minutes later proved
    to be the right one !! 
    
    The words "jammy" and "B'stards" spring to mind ref the game itself and
    my deepest condolences to any Bury fans. The chaps we talked to in the
    pub after are already expecting a hammering at the rematch. We felt so
    sorry for them that we ended up buying them a load of beer and snacks
    as an apology. Apparently 100 or so stayed in the stands trying vainly
    to get some dosh back.
    
    Leonie - from what my mates said the reference to the evening post was
    to do with the golden gamble number, although they will no doubt have
    some details on the rematch. If anyone gets a copy could they post the
    details.
    
    Rick - If you have such a problem with southerners I politely suggest
    you b*gger off back oop north !!!  (smileys an all that)
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1608CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Oct 25 1995 14:336
    Stretch,
    
    I'm surprised that somebody who supports Man U & Leeds (x3) could tell
    a fellow member of the flock to "b*gger off".....
    
    Stuart
38.1609MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Oct 25 1995 14:5710
    >If you have such a problem with southerners 
    
    What.... when half my family comes from the south... I don't think so
    some how... (more smileys and all etc.. )
    
    	I was just mentioning an observation that I have made... 
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.1610Dont you start as well !!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAWed Oct 25 1995 15:0311
    And you can b*gger off as well Stuart !!!! Leeds (x3) follower ny
    Arsenal !!!! Someone has got to have a word with that Mr Rioch about
    the number of goals youre lot are scoring. Ungentlemenly conduct if you
    ask me !!! 
    
    
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S I spoke with Al R last night about his last day session. He might
    have a problem with Friday night but we can sort all that out over the
    next few weeks. 
38.1611It certainly rained!PGREEN::CHALFONTWed Oct 25 1995 15:5029
    It surprises me that no one has commented about how long it took the
    referee to abandon the game.
    
    It was clear from the kick off when Jimmy Quinn took two attempts to
    get it out of the centre circle that the pitch wasn't playable. At most
    he should have let play go on for 10 minutes and then made his
    decision. With Reading 1-0 down at that stage, the furore about the
    abandonment would have been limited. However, to play for 25 minutes
    and then abandon it with Reading 2-0 down was asking for trouble. Bury
    and their fans had a right to be livid.
    
    Bury were deservedly in the lead and you couldn't take anything away
    from them. Both their goals were good goals which were the result of
    poor defending irrespective of the conditions.
    
    However, the post-match moanings of the Bury players that the Reading
    players influenced the referee to abandon the game when 2-0 down are
    pathetic. It was clear the pitch was unplayable from the start - the
    referee simply should have made his decision earlier.
    
    As far as the scoreline was concerned, we shouldn't be surprised. Bury
    have always been, and look like always being, a bogey team. I can only
    remember us beating them twice in 25 years!!
    
    Neil
    
    PS What was incredible about last night was that when I left home an
    hour before kick-off, it had only just started spitting with rain. I
    don't know how much rain then fell, but it was alot!
38.1612CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosWed Oct 25 1995 17:537
    re -1
    
    >I can only remember us beating them twice in 25 years!!
    
    Yes, but how many times have you played them?
    
    Stuart
38.1613Southampton at homePGREEN::CHALFONTThu Oct 26 1995 11:239
    re -1 
    
    Many times. In the old 3rd and 4th divisions we used to meet regularly
    over many seasons.
    
    IF we beat Bury, we have been drawn at home to Southampton. Ties to be
    played w/c 27th November.
    
    Neil
38.1614Bury againCHEFS::DIVERLThu Oct 26 1995 12:034
    
    The rematch against Bury to be played on Nov. 7th (7.45p.m.).
    
    Leonie.
38.1615Transfer Shocker: Reading try a buy someoneCHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Thu Oct 26 1995 16:207
    Apparently, Reading are trying to sign Kenny Brown and Chris Woods
    before 5 o'clock today, so that they'll both be eligible to play
    against Ipswich on Saturday. Mihailov is expected to be out for about a
    month.
    
    
    Ian.
38.1616CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosThu Oct 26 1995 17:101
    Why is baldy out then? Break his toe due to his wig falling off?
38.1617Tee Hee Hee !!!CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Thu Oct 26 1995 17:366
    Stuart,
    
    	He did his hamstring in, bending to pick his wig up !!
    
    
    	Ian.
38.1618Royals 1 - 4 Ipswich TownADDULT::ROBERTSONYou are only coming through in wavesMon Oct 30 1995 13:565
Oh dear!!!  Oh dear!!!  Oh dear!!!  Oh dear!!!  Oh dear!!!  Oh dear!!!

I wish I could say I'm glad I didn't go!!

Al
38.1619crapCHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Oct 30 1995 17:226
    Where`s our midfield? Where`s our distibution? Where`s our creativity?
    
    It`s all gone down the proverbial football toilet,and if Reading
    aren`t careful they`ll be flushed down to Divison 2.
    
    
38.1620Crikey....CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Mon Oct 30 1995 17:236
    Good metaphor, Stuart !!!
    
    
    Ian.
    
    p.s. What's a hamaphor ??
38.1621CHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosMon Nov 06 1995 12:063
    Is Saturdays match against Birmingham all-ticket?
    
    Stuart
38.1622Palace 0 - Royals 2ADDULT::ROBERTSONYou are only coming through in wavesMon Nov 06 1995 13:009
>>    Is Saturdays match against Birmingham all-ticket?

I haven't seen anything to suggest it is. No doubt it will be in the post
tonight.

I'll post a Completely biased match report about Saturday's game, later if I get
time.

Al
38.1623CHEFS::ROSECMon Nov 06 1995 18:195
    Saturday's game is not all ticket.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1624taCHEFS::STRATFORDSSteer clear of the Zebra BrosTue Nov 07 1995 11:361
    
38.1625The rematch - will probably get called off due to frost !!!CHEFS::CROSSATue Nov 07 1995 13:028
    Just a quickie - Tonights game against Bury is half price I believe
    after the fiasco last time. 7:45 kick off.
    
    Al - If you are going tonight you will find myself and company in the
    Spread prior to,and no doubt after the game.
    
    
                     Stretch.
38.1626Yah Boo Sucks.....CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Tue Nov 07 1995 13:0510
38.1627I started off factual but you just have to lower the toneCHEFS::CROSSATue Nov 07 1995 13:186
    Ha Ha Ha - Ian you loser !!!
    
    			Gloaty_Stretch.
    
    P.S Sorry I was not here to congratulate you on Rangers sterling
    performance last week. I say again Ha Ha Ha !!!
38.1628Must be mad!!!!ADDULT::ROBERTSONYou are only coming through in wavesTue Nov 07 1995 13:207
I'll be at the Spread at 7

Mine's a Guinness.

See you there

Al
38.1629'Nuff said.CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJI hope you're happy nowWed Nov 08 1995 11:105
    
    If any Bury fans read this conference, I'm sorry, I really am.
    
    j.
    
38.1630MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Nov 08 1995 11:358
    Bury woz robbed... 
    
    89th minute goal... gawd.. I feel really sorry for them.... but pleased
    for Reading.... 
    
    Cheers,
    
    Rick.
38.1631 CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Nov 08 1995 15:244
    Well,it only takes a minute to score a goal etc.
    
    Was the game any good? 
    
38.1632oh dear oh dear oh dear !!!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAWed Nov 08 1995 15:5112
    Depends on which end of the country you reside in Stuart. The answer
    from my point of view would have to involve the words 'jammy' and
    'B'Stards'. oh and 'embarrasing'. I echo Jeffs apologies (again) to any
    Bury fans out there. I know it should be classed as a good result etc
    etc but we really did not deserve to be playing Southampton in the next
    round. Over the two(ish) games of the five goals scored Bury were
    responsible for FOUR of them !!! (o.g included). Jimmy Q comes on for
    the last two minutes .... replay seems inevitable ..... he scores
    Readings only true goal !!!
    
    
    			Hungover_Stretch.
38.1633No!!!ADDULT::ROBERTSONYou are only coming through in wavesWed Nov 08 1995 16:4528
Reading started well enough, passing the ball well, but as has been for the
season so far, as soon as they get into the final 1/3 they run out of ideas.

After the first 15 minutes, Bury came into it more and it became an even scrap.
Holsgrove played V. well as sweeper again and his distribution was excellent.
That was the only high point though. It took over 25 minutes for the first
shot!! nuff said.

The 2nd half was 'better', for both teams. But only just. Holsgrove lost his
touch, and although very little got through him, he just hoofed it up the pitch
95% of the time. Reading looked the most dangerous when they ran the ball out of
midfield, but they only did it a handful of times.

Bernal was a complete waster last night. He was wearing a mask, a la Gascoigne &
Morley, and I think it affected his concentration & ability. It was his clumsy
challenge that led to their goal.
 
Once it was 1-1 Bury looked good for a draw, and in the last 15 minutes looked
the more likely to get a winner.

I think the general concensus around the ground when Quinn brough himself on in
the last 2 minutes, was Why bother???? The rest is history as they say.

One good point to come out of the game, for me, apart from the result and the
goals, was the performance of Shepherd in goal. I don't think he missed a cross
all game, and apart from a little hesitancy initially, was coming out to the
edge of the area to get loose balls well & I think Shaka would have done well to
save their goal.
38.1634Pubbing at dinnertime then folks !?!?!?!?!?CHEFS::CROSSAThu Nov 09 1995 13:486
    Al - Are you still going over the pub at dinnertime ? Seems like a good
    oppurtunity for a small drinkies to compare various dates, and excuses
    about the full evening session.
    
    
    	Stretch_who_needs_a_beer_and_it_is_still_only_10:45_!!! 
38.1635Good byeFORTY2::ROBERTSONYou are only coming through in wavesFri Nov 10 1995 19:0118
Well this seems the most apt note in which to make my tearfull farewell.

I, like just about everyone who's left, will probably miss this conference
more than anything else.

It's definitely been one of the major factors over the last few years that
has kept me sane.

I wish that your team every success, except the obvious choices of Man Utd., 
Arsenal and Leicester City ;-)

Maybe I'll see you on the internet one day, or failing that Elm Park

Cheers

Al

P.S. See you down the Spread on Saturday, and at The Turks on Wednesday.
38.1636CHEFS::EDWARDSDFri Nov 10 1995 19:064
    Good luck Al - I'll ignore your comment re Man Utd because I know you
    don't really mean it !
    
    
38.1637Bright and Hirst Look OutCHEFS::ANDERSONRAnorak SurferFri Nov 10 1995 19:1447
    Good Luck Al,
    
    Your contributions to this conference will be missed; I might be
    press-ganged into putting in the odd table now and again in your
    absence [tho' I don't suppose many will be interested in Endsleigh
    League Division 2 ;-)]
    
    Perhaps this is a ggod place to start :
    
    
	November  9   PONTINS LEAGUE DIVISION 1

                   P  W  D  L  F  A PTS
  1 Derby County  11  6  3  2 18 14  21
  2 Sheff Wed     11  6  2  3 28 22  20
  3 Oldham Ath    11  5  4  2 19 13  19
  4 Manchster Utd 10  5  3  2 21 14  18
  5 Newcastle Utd 11  5  3  3 21 17  18
  6 Stoke City    11  5  3  3 16 15  18
  7 Birmingham    11  6  0  5 19 24  18
  8 Wolves        11  5  2  4 15 12  17
  9 Leeds United  10  5  2  3 13 12  17
 10 Everton       10  4  3  3 12 11  15
 11 Liverpool     11  4  2  5 17 14  14
 12 Notts County  11  4  2  5 26 26  14
 13 Bolton Wands  12  3  5  4 13 18  14
 14 Sheff United  11  3  4  4 15 16  13
 15 Tranmere Rvrs 10  3  2  5 23 20  11
 16 Nottm Forest  11  3  2  6 13 20  11
 17 Blackburn Rvs 11  1  6  4 12 14   9
 18 W.B.A.        12  0  2 10 10 29   2

Nov 7
Derby County    2-1   Blackburn Rovers

Nov 8
Leeds United    2-1   Everton
Notts County    2-2   Nottm Forest

Nov 9
Bolton Wand     2-0   Liverpool
W.B.A.          1-1   Stoke City

    Cheers,
    
    Rob
    
38.1638Ta ta AlCHEFS::CROSSAFri Nov 10 1995 19:3610
    Al - I shall see you in the Spread on the 'morrow (not the ARSE
    variety Stuart !!). Sad to see you go etc etc. And I have booked next
    Thursday off for safety reasons.
    
    
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S You forgot the Northern SCUM off your list (and I do not mean
    ManU). The gits that beat McGees mob on Wednesday, and the ARSE on
    Saturday last. Sorry, but I cannot type the name !!!!!
38.1639FORTY2::ROBERTSONYou are only coming through in wavesFri Nov 10 1995 20:377
too right Bloton Wnodres

Or something like that

I'm outa here

Al
38.1640MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Fri Nov 10 1995 20:429
    Stretch... ya don't mean Bolton do ya... :->
    
    Sad to see ya go Al... see ya down the ol' pub next Wednesday...
    
    Have a good one..
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.1641See you at the Spread then Rick ????CHEFS::CROSSAFri Nov 10 1995 20:456
    Rick, I knew I could rely on someone to be up on teams that qualify as
    Northern Scum !!!!
    
    
    			Cheers,
    			    Stretch.
38.1642ciaoVARESE::BIOTTIMon Nov 13 1995 11:324
    
    I'll miss you ..  bye
    
    Ambrogio
38.1643Je ne comprend pas !!!!CHEFS::CROSSATue Nov 14 1995 13:205
    Folks,
    	Can anyone explain the chants being directed at Ricky Otto on
    Saturday, along the lines of him being a murderer ???
    
    			Curious_Stretch.
38.1644Capital offenceCHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJI hope you're happy nowTue Nov 14 1995 13:596
    
    Hmmm, he certainly "murdered" Kenny Brown.....
    
    
    j.
    
38.1645CHEFS::ROSECFri Nov 24 1995 13:0325
    Recent results have done nothing to boost confidence in the club.
    A tame 0-0 draw with Barnsley, followed by a slightly unfortunate 1-2
    reverse to Charlton.  A difficult trip to Sheff Utd on Saturday could
    see Reading drop into the relegation zone.  Nobody following Reading
    for the last 7 years will have experienced the feeling of relegation.
    
    Reading have the players to avoid the drop, but their must be question
    marks over the commitment of some of the players (Swales, Meeker etc).
    Not all of the blame can be shoved towards the management or board.
    
    In a season where the teams in Division One are not dissimilar, Reading
    must ensure that they avoid the drop.  The teams that do go up this
    season will find it very tough, as the gulf between the Endsleigh
    league and the Premiership seems to widen.
    
    This is a testing time for the new fans that have started to follow
    Reading in the last two and a half years.  This is when you really need
    the backing of everyone.
    
    I understand that the tickets for next Tuesday's game against
    Southampton are selling well - anyone confirm?
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1646The end is nigh.....CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Fri Nov 24 1995 13:091
    Face it !! Your going down !!! HA HAH !!
38.1647how much?CHEFS::ROSECFri Nov 24 1995 14:4612
    RE -1
    
    Ian,
    
    An enthusiastic shout from someone who, I would hazard a guess, is
    probably not a keen follower of Reading FC.
    
    As you are in absolutely no doubt as to Reading's inevitable poor
    position, I suggest you name the stake.  Put your money where your
    mouth is!
        
    
38.1648Ain't no OsborneCHEFS::JAMESPFri Nov 24 1995 15:3018
38.1649Place Your Bets!!CHEFS::ROLFEDFri Nov 24 1995 17:108
    re 1646
    
    Come on then Ian place your bet.  I get the feeling you may be inundated
    with offers.  
    
    Count me in!
    
    Dave. 
38.1650Depends on your desire to see Reading crucified at home !!!CHEFS::CROSSAFri Nov 24 1995 17:2615
    Chris
     
    Ref tickets - They are going fast. Limited to 3 per person. I purchased
    two tickets on Tuesday at lunchtime. We walked straight in as the rain
    had kept the queues down. I had spent all of Monday and Tuesday
    plugging away on the phone. Solidly engaged. When we got into the shop
    you could not hear the phone so I would imagine it was off the hook.
    The oh-so happy woman behind the counter when queried had no idea of
    roughly how many tickets were left then. Only Tilehaurst end and
    Southbank tix were left. I would reckon on 400 - 600 (tops) were left
    on Tuesday lunchtime. I have not heard anyone saying that they were
    sold out. 
    
    			Stretch. 
      
38.1651re last fewCHEFS::DIVERLFri Nov 24 1995 17:518
    
    re Meaker - I heard that he's joined Dylan Kerr on the transfer
    list.
    
    It's reported in today's paper that the Southampton game has now sold
    out.
    
    Leonie.
38.1652Another one from QPR?CHEFS::ROSECSat Nov 25 1995 17:186
    It would appear that Simon Barker (QPR) is being tracked.  Reading ahve
    agreement with QPR, but need to agree personal terms with the player.
    How much would he cost?  I thought he was a regular in QPR's first
    team?
    
    
38.1653ARNIES::SMITHP1All aboard the Amoco CrouchMon Nov 27 1995 13:187
	Very much so, and one of the better ones I might add. Now if you
	want a midfielder, I'm sure we've still got Steve Hodge lying
	about, or how about that guy we picked up at the start of the
	season, Simon Osborn !?

		p1
38.1654CHEFS::EDWARDSDMon Nov 27 1995 19:547
    I'm entering this note on behalf of Al Robertson (remember him?) who is
    desperately trying to obtain tickets for tomorrow night's game vs
    Soton.  If anyone can help, please give me a ring on 830-2157, or ring
    Al direct on 01734-575900.
    
    Cheers,
    Dave
38.1655RainmakerCHEFS::WEAVERDWed Nov 29 1995 10:526
    Well done guys. I see you ordered the rain last night but didn't need
    it???
    
    See you in the draw, I hope.
    
    Derek
38.1656Its Good to talk !!CHEFS::JAMESPWed Nov 29 1995 11:336
    
    Oh well it nearly worked, there was me talking to Dave M saying
    "its a nice town" / "its raining here"/ The game's called off"
    
    Pj
    
38.1657MARVIN::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Wed Nov 29 1995 12:216
    Well done to the Blue Army... good result.. lets hope they get a good
    team in the next round... like Leeds... :->
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.1658Will you please just Sh......CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Wed Nov 29 1995 12:3913
    Rick,
    
    	Did you happen to see Coogan's Run on BBC2 on Friday ?? You remind
    me so much of that Gareth Cheeseman !! I can just see you doing a
    presentation; "Here's our latest model, oops, how did that get in
    there ??" If you insert the words "Leeds" instead of "Ford Probe", I
    could be sure that it WAS you !!!
    
    I wonder if you do the same as he does after closing a deal ???
    
    
    
    Ian.
38.1659ZUR01::ASHGrahame Ash @RLEWed Nov 29 1995 14:443
Any news about the game . . .?

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38.1660CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Nov 29 1995 15:076
    What a great game. Either Southampton had an off night,or Reading`s
    tackling and containment kept Southampton out of the game. (Hopefully
    the latter).
    
    A fully deserved win.
    
38.1661saints go marching OUTCHEFS::ROSECWed Nov 29 1995 16:4715
    A strong performance by Reading, and (I assume) a poor performance by
    Saints. 2-1 was no more than Reading deserved against Southampton's
    crude tactics (4 bookings, and it should have been more).
    
    Assuming that Gooding is worth around 50k and Le Tiss is valued at
    around 8m - does that make Tiss worth 160 Mick Goodings?  When the
    going gets tough there's no doubt who I would rather have playing.
    
    Obviously, the priority for Reading is League points and hopefully they
    can turn in a similar performance against WBA on Saturday.
    
    Re - a couple ago.  If someone had difficulty in getting a ticket for
    last nights game, they will find it impossible for the q-f.
    
    
38.1662Reading v Bolton shocker !!!CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIA)bort R)etry F)*** It !!Wed Nov 29 1995 17:014
    When is the draw made for the QF's !!
    
    
    Ian.
38.1663more on the phone conversation...FORTY2::JONESNeilWed Nov 29 1995 17:0813
    
    Whilst sitting in the most horrendous DEC Park car park jam in ages I
    turned on Radio Berkshire for traffic news. I was amazed that
    Merrington got a hoax call to say the game was off and he believed it.
    Apparently he sent all his players home only to be called by a man from
    the BBC a while later for his comments on the game. At this point, his
    comments were probably not repeatable, he had to phone round to contact
    his lads and get them up to Reading. Some local lads, Beasant, Monkau
    drove up whilst the rest arrived later. 
    
    Amazing...
    
    Neil
38.1664BLUE and WHITECHEFS::ROLFEDWed Nov 29 1995 17:1132
    
    What a solid performance by all.  By far the best game of this season,
    and it would be on a par with some of the memorable performances of the
    last two years.
    
    Anyone got any ratings for the BLUE and WHITE. (out of ten)
    
    				Shephard (8)
    
        			Holsgrove (8)
    	        	Mcpherson (9)     Bernal (8)
         Brown (8)                                       Darius (8)
    
             Gooding (10)       Parkinson (9)        Jones (8)
    
                       Morley (9)           Nogan (9)
    
    
    The total commitment shown by Micky Gooding (36 years old) was
    influencial to the success, solid unforgiving midfield play with Mr Reliable
    Mcpherson holding the back together and the Morley/Nogan partnership
    running the premiership defence ragid there was only going to be one
    result.  
    
    We are now virtually gauranteed a good draw with a another payday,
    and at the worst we could end up facing Bolton.  Could be an
    interesting revenge.
    
    Good luck to the boys.
    
    Dave.       
                                                   
38.1665Incoherent, but jubilant babblings follow .......CHEFS::CROSSAWed Nov 29 1995 17:4983
    Short note due to pressures of work !!!!
    
    After getting out of Dec park car park at 7:35 (10 mins before supposed
    kick off) things were looking dire. And it was p*ssing it down to boot
    !!! Got to Elm park at 8:20 to find out the K.O was delayed by ten
    minutes and the score was 0-0. Hooraahhh. About three minutes later
    Nogan broke through the defence, nutmegging one defender, drew Beasant
    to the left of the goal and calmly slotted the ball to the right.
    Things were looking good. 25 minutes gone. After some (and I swear I am
    not being biased here) very dodgy calls by the ref the rest of the half
    was pretty subdued as Reading hustled all of the Southampton players
    off the ball as soon as they got possession. Gooding must be part pit
    bull given the energy and strength he displayed. Nogan kept coming back
    to help out as well, to good effect. In the 44th minute the ref sees
    something that no one else (including the linesman who was about two
    yards away) spots and awards a free kick on the edge of the box. Le
    Tiss pops the cross in, Moncou, unmarked heads home. 30 seconds later
    whistle goes. End of jubilation. "Booooooooo !!!!!!!" "You're not very
    good ref" type of shouts around the ground. 1-1 boo hisss !!!!
    
    Second half I was expecting S'hampton to come out all guns blazing.
    Fortunately this was not the case. On the hour after Reading would not
    give up the chase Jones played a cross over the face of the goal
    beating everyone, including Monkou, Morley goes in bravely (considering
    he has 7 !!! metal plates in his head) heads the ball back across the
    goal. Everyone stands and watches, including Soton, as the ball goes
    slo-mo into the back of the net. 2-1 Hooooo-Bloody-Ray !!!!!!!!.  
    Reading then soak up thirty minutes of increasing desperation from the
    Soton players and us poor fans who still have nightmares about lost
    leads (small clue begins with B and the gits are getting the pasting
    they deserve in the premier league. Unlike the Murphys I AM f'ing
    bitter !!!) Of the both teams Reading had more shots on goal in the
    last half hour. One by Gooding, who was still giving it 300 % at least,
    brought a fine save from Beasant. All Reading fans have a heart attack
    as Swales attempts a back pass 10 yards out which is intercepted by
    Soton player. Rounds Shep who was committed to the back pass, shoots,
    balls rolls agonisingly (for both sets of fans) across the goal mouth.
    Phhhheeeewwww !!!!!  
    90 minutes up and the whistling is deafening. Flares thrown on by the  
    Southampton fans only add to the hysteria. Whistle goes and we all go 
    APESHIT !!!!!! Calls of "Bring em on " etc fill the ground.
    
    Final thoughts on the night:- Monkou single handedly kept the Saints in
    the game. Every ball that came at him in the air he won calmly and
    accurately. Venison should get a short trip to Seeneys and become a pie
    of the same name. He was awful. Hard to tell with Le Tiss if he is
    bored stupid, cannot be arsed or it is just a ruse. Apart from the free
    kick thay scored from I can only remeber a couple of good passes being
    played by him,. Bland stuff for a God like figure of his standing.
    Mind you the marking he was receiving from the Reading players probaly
    shocked him given the tenacity being shown.
    Beasant did not have to do too much as Readings shooting was not very
    powerful on the night (Goodings excluded).
    
    Reading. Where to start ??? All players gave it full effort. This was
    the best performance I have seen so far this season.
    Gooding (9 stitches in his face), Nogan(just back after two ops on his
    nose), Morley (7 plates in his head), Macca, Parky etc ran themselves
    into the ground. Shep looked confident on the crosses. Big pats on the
    back for all concerned. Gilkes, Quinn only cmae on in the last ten mins
    or so so it is hard to guage the performance by them.
    
    My dwindling faith has been restored by last nights excellent game.
    Even the Saints manager is in the paper today saying "we were rubbish.
    Reading deserve to go through " Cheers.
    
    
    			Happy_Stretch.
    
    P.S It was not me who phoned Soton to claim the match was off !!! Mind
    you if I had still been in the car park any later I would have been
    praying for a Bury style downpour to get it abandonned.
    
    oooppps - This was supposed to be a brief note !!!!  Words cannot
    convey the way we felt after the game. One friend had a mate who
    supports Saints in the Tilehurst end with us. Although his comments
    were bound to be on the negative side he did seem genuinely shocked by
    the display his team put on. Worst game he has seen them play so far
    this season etc etc. Got home in time to see the news about the
    Endsleigh sell off. First archive footage shown is the F.A cup where
    Looneypool got beaten by the Wombles. Who is picking the cup up ???
    Dave Beasant. Well he will not be going to the twin towers this season
    !! Gloat Gloat Gloat And why not ?????
38.1666Brolin Who ???CHEFS::JAMESPThu Nov 30 1995 10:494
    
    Reading have Leeds away in the next round.
    
    Pj	
38.1667Not Newcastle thenGIDDAY::PARSONSPOLYCENTER on WNT SupportThu Nov 30 1995 11:362
    
    :-)
38.1668RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Nov 30 1995 12:166
    So Stretch... who is it going to be... must be difficult for you to
    choose.... Leeds or Reading... ??
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.1669See you at Elland Road then !!!!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAThu Nov 30 1995 13:147
    Rick,
       Check the Leeds (x3)(inc o.g) Ho Ho Ho note for a small clue !!!
    
    
    
    
    				Stretch.
38.1670RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Thu Nov 30 1995 13:215
    Depending when the match is being played I should be able to go up....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.1671Happy New Year?CHEFS::ROLFEDThu Nov 30 1995 14:124
    The game looks set for Wednesday 10th of January, but this has not yet
    been comfirmed by Leeds.
    
    Dave
38.1672Strange but true...CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJI hope you're happy nowSun Dec 03 1995 17:1929
    
    
    		Reading 3   Baggies (or should that be Bag O' Shite) 1
    
    
    For anyone who didn't go to this game let me paint a brief scenario of
    the half time situation. Reading led 2-1 but the overall standard from
    both teams was pretty dire; the Royals, however, had by now had to use
    all three substitutes and consequently had a full-back who's been
    barely good enough for the reserve team (Swales) playing at centre-half
    and that goal-keeping legend, one James Quinn Esq between the sticks!
    Yes, without a goalkeeper on the bench, Reading played the entire
    second half with part-time striker Quinn in goal.
    
    You can guess the rest, right? The Baggies pile forward, unleashing
    crosses and shots from all angles. Hopelessly wrong. Reading take
    complete control of the game, score a wonderful third goal and run out
    comfortable winners; Quinn handles the few bits of action he is
    involved in very well and must be in the frame to take over from
    Sheppard.
    
    Note to the Reading management - injure half the side before kick-off,
    make sure the referee is a clueless merchant banker and the points are
    in the bag.
    
    Simple game, this management lark.
    
    Jeff
     
38.1673CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJI hope you're happy nowSun Dec 03 1995 18:4610
    
    Oh, nearly forget, just a quick word about Southampton..
    
    
    	
    they're crap.
    
    
    j.
    
38.1674UPDATECHEFS::ROSECWed Dec 06 1995 15:1516
    1) Bernal will miss the next ten games after having a long-awaited
       operation.
    2) Sheppard is obviously out for a similar amount of time, probably
       longer.
    3) Quinn scored for an International XI last night against Man Utd in
       Ireland.
    4) Ade Williams may make his comeback on Saturday.  This guy certainly
       misses a number of games through injury.
    5) Reading's allocation of 3500 tickets for Leeds is initially 2 per
       season ticket holder (postal application) until Dec 16th.  After
       that it will be general sale for the remainder.
       Reading had still not received the tickets from Leeds yesterday.
    6) Bobby back in goal on Saturday?  Making only his fourth appearance.
    
    Chris
      
38.1675Ggggggrrrrreeeeeaaaaaattttt news (not!)CHEFS::CROSSAWed Dec 06 1995 15:369
    Chris,
    On the whole the word "Sh*t" springs to mind. Not the sort of problems
    we need at the moment. Any word on keeper cover now Woods has gone back
    to Sheffield (to sit on the bench !!!)
    Tickets for Leeds (x3) go on general sale from the 18 th according to
    the club. Expect huge queues, engaged phones and high stress levels !!!
    
    
          		Stretch_trying_to_be_optimistic_!!!!
38.1676CHEFS::ROSECThu Dec 07 1995 11:5014
    Stretch,
    
    Reading will probably sign a younger keeper on loan, as back up to
    Bobby.  Unfortunately, the youth team keeper is not up to it yet.
    
    Re the Leeds tickets.  The general feeling is that the 3500 tickets
    will go, probably before Christmas.  I don't know whether Leeds are
    able to provide any more?  I will be putting a note in here just
    prior to the 18th to let you know how many are left - and what the best
    way is of getting them.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1677Can anyone confirm this .........CHEFS::CROSSAThu Dec 07 1995 13:108
    Chris,
      More worrying is the notion a colleague put forward the other day.
    Something along the lines of being allowed three loans per season. With
    Woods and Brown now extending his loan this (if it is true) Reading
    have had the three loans so will not be allowed any more !!!
    
    
    			Worried_Stretch.
38.1678XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Dec 07 1995 13:499
Re: Tickets for the Leeds match

From pervius experience I think there will be
absolutely no problem getting in to see Leeds vs.
Reading.  The Leeds fans don't seem to have much
enthusiasm for the CCC :-(.  Maybe they are saving
their money for the FA Cup final later in the year?

                    James.
38.1679CHEFS::CROSSAThu Dec 07 1995 14:086
    James - Would they let Reading into the seats in the rest of the ground
    if you do not sell out ? 3,500 is not that many given the capacity of
    Elland Road.
    
    
    				Stretch.
38.1680CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Dec 07 1995 14:193
    For the F.A Cup, I believe that away teams are entitled to
    approximately 30% of all tickets.  Is there not a similar rule in the
    Fizzy Pop cup ?
38.1681CHEFS::EDWARDSDThu Dec 07 1995 17:353
    I know this is not strictly Reading news, but the IRN sports page
    claims that Mark McGhee and his back room staff have all resigned from
    their posts at Leicester.  Nice guy isn't he ?!
38.1682No big surprise there then !!!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAThu Dec 07 1995 17:437
    Problem is that I am away for the Wolves game at which he will receive the
    flak he so truly deserves. For personal reasons I wish he was still at
    Leicester !!!
    
    
    
    				Stretch.
38.1683CHEFS::WEAVERDThu Dec 07 1995 17:572
    Is there something about Leicester??? It is only twelve months since
    Little came to us via  a dubious process.
38.1684Urrm RemeberCHEFS::JAMESPThu Dec 07 1995 18:177
    
     RE -1
    
    It was Doug Ellis who started the musical games 
    in the first place by sacking Big Ron..
    
    Pj
38.1685More than meets the eye??CHEFS::WEAVERDThu Dec 07 1995 19:329
    Sure Deadly Doug may have started a particular wave of movement, good
    decision looking at the Sky Blue position.
    
    Little left to join a bigger club, more money, better prospects etc.
    
    However he had no influence on McGhee (sp?) resigning. So why do
    Leicester have two managers resigning within twelve months. From here
    moving from Leicester to Wolves is opting for at least another season
    in Div. 1 whereas Leicester are going reasonably at present. 
38.1686XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Thu Dec 07 1995 19:3212
I cannot seriously imagine that the Reading
game is going to _light the imagination_ of the
Leeds public.  Elland Road can hold 40K and
I'd be really surprised if there will be more
than 30K at the match, come January!  As to
Leeds renting more of the ground to other fans,
I doubt it, but I'd be surprised if you couldn't
buy some tickets on the night.

Wish I was going :-(.

                   James.
38.1687Come out and play !!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAFri Dec 08 1995 17:0313
    I have just read that Mick Gooding has picked up a three match
    suspension for clocking up 21 points. This is another blow given the
    injuries we have at the moment.
    
    
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S Is anyone out there a Wolves or Leicester fan. I have combed the
    conference but cannot find a topic. The reason for asking is that I
    wnat a bloody good GLOAT about McGhee and his trustworthy behaviour and
    Leicest BLEATING on about his handling of the affair. YAH BOO SUCKS -
    serves you right for pinching him in the first place. What is good for
    the goose etc etc !!!! 
38.1688made me smile though; i must admitCOMICS::HAWLEYIHere's 10p. Phone a man who cares!Fri Dec 08 1995 17:147
Not that you're bitter ata all, eh Stretch?

;-)


Ian.
38.1689bored on Friday gossip productionFORTY2::JONESNeilFri Dec 08 1995 17:3810
    
    I think McGee's one goal in life is to be manager of Manchester Utd.
    I have often read in the papers that jovial Alex and Mark are good buddies
    from their Aberdeen days. My belief is that he is getting as much
    experience as possible, leaving each club when they are doing well, so
    as not to tarnish his reputation.
    
    You heard it here first...
    
    Neil
38.1690So where are the Filbert St faithful in this conference ????CHEFS::CROSSAFri Dec 08 1995 17:4013
    Ian,
      The bitterness about McGhees defection from Reading faded as we got
    more points without him than with him, so ......
    
    I find it hilarious that Leicester have the nerve to whine in this
    fashion after Little did the dirty on them and they promptly did the
    same to us !!!! Serves the gits right. I mean how can you trust a man
    who was lured from another club while under contract in the first
    place.
    
    		Makes me laugh.
    
    			Stretch. 
38.1691CHEFS::EDWARDSDFri Dec 08 1995 17:5413
    Stretch,
    
    I beg to differ about McGhees move from Reading to Leicester, but I do
    believe that Leicester approached Reading and asked for permission to
    speak to McGhee.  Permission was granted, and the rest as they say is
    history.  I see nothing wrong in this, apart from the obvious distress
    caused to people like yourself.
    
    Little shat on Leicester from a great height - McGhee is doing the
    same.  When will the F.A do something this ?  Surely Wolves and Villa
    are guilty of illegally poaching managers ?  If players were involved,
    the F.A would certainly take a stance - why not when managers are
    involved ?
38.1692Who ate all the pies??CHEFS::ROSECFri Dec 08 1995 18:0612
    RE -1
    
    You are correct in your statement.  The board at Reading did indeed
    give Leicester permission to speak to McGhee.  The ensuing aggro was as
    a result of McGoo changing his mind as to his intermediate future.
    
    Assuming that the git in question has not taken over Wolves today, his
    first away game will be at.....Reading!  I'll enjoy that!!!
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1693Whichever way you look at it you cannae trust the b*astardCHEFS::CROSSAFri Dec 08 1995 18:2214
    Chris,
    I will not enjoy it cos I will be in The 'Dam. Give him some flak
    from us !!!
    
    Dave - What Chris says is true. Permission was given. Judas ummed and
    aahhhed, said he was staying after cracking a bottle of Champers with
    Madjeski, and promptly buggers off the following morning taking the
    staff and a certain vital midfield player !!!
    To add to the irony Little was involved in drawing up the managers
    charter which was supposed to prevent these kind of debacles.
    
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1694CHEFS::JAMESPFri Dec 08 1995 18:2512
38.1695CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Dec 08 1995 19:5913
    I think this could be a bad mistake by Judas McGhee. He has only been
    in the Managerial game since the `91 season,if I remember correctly.
    
    He should prove himself first before moving on again - after all,he`s
    only 38. He did very well at Reading,and it looks like he`s done well
    again at Leicester,but the pressure will now be on. If he doesn`t get
    Wolves promoted by the `97 season he`ll be finished. It wouldn`t
    suprise me if they expect him to get promotion this season.
    
    I rate McGhee highly as a Manager,but has he bitten the proverbial
    cake too much before he can spite his nose?
    
    
38.1696CHEFS::CROSSAFri Dec 08 1995 20:058
    Stuart,
       Could you translate that last sentence please ??? My head's hurting
    from trying to understand it. Fair point though about trying to
    establish himself first.Mind you a moving target is harder to hit !!!
    
    
    
                        Stupid_Stretch.
38.1697Time to investPGREEN::CHALFONTTue Dec 19 1995 15:5648
    I have been too busy recently to comment on recent goings on, although
    I have been to all the recent home games.
    
    Overall, it is very disappointing after last year's successes. It was
    obvious that by losing Shaka, Osborn and Taylor we would not be the
    same side, but I am all sure we thought things would be better than
    they are. 
    
    With the exception of Morley, all the summer signings have been
    extremely disappointing. It is difficult to comment on Bobby Mikhailov
    having only played 4 games, but he is not a replacement for Shaka.
    Meaker is crap and QPR obviously saw us coming when they bought Super
    Si. Swales looks OK at times and Michael Williams can't even get in the
    reserve side! 
    
    Another problem has been injuries, although these can't be used as an
    excuse. I don't think we have put the same team out twice all season,
    and when you lose your better players for long periods i.e Adie, Dariusz,
    Morley, Bernal and Mikhailov, then you are going to struggle.
    
    However, the biggest difference has been the quality of play. We are a
    shadow of the fast, slick passing team of last year relying on too much
    long ball stuff and the quality of passing has completely deserted the
    team. At times on Saturday against Sunderland it was diabolical. We
    have shown glimpses of what we can do at times e.g against Southampton
    and the second half performances against both Huddersfield and WBA, but
    we need to be more consistent. This isn't easy when you can't field the
    same team twice, but it is obvious that we need to buy a couple of
    quality players, especially in midfield. Phil Parkinson and Mick
    Gooding work their socks off, but we need an attacking player with good
    passing skills as well - someone like Simon Osborn. Unfortunately
    Michael Gilkes is having one of his "not interested" phases - I don't
    think he touched the ball until after 25 minutes on Saturday.
    
    It is time for Madjeski to put his hand in his pocket and invest unless
    his dream of taking Reading to the Premiership is going to die as we
    struggle against relegation.  
    
    A cup run is all well and good but we need to spend this extra income
    together with some of the money from the summer sales to ensure we are
    in the 1st division next season.
    
    Looking forward to Saturday's game against Wolves - I can imagine the
    team will be up for that one.
    
    
    Neil
                                                                 
38.1698NEWSCHEFS::ROSECTue Dec 19 1995 20:4321
    Good summary that Neil.
    
    The injury scene this season has been a real drag, and certainly the
    calibre of players brought in during the summer have not adequately
    replaced those that left.
    
    Si Osborn is pleading to be released by QPR, to join his pal McGhoo at
    the wandering Wanderers.
    
    Reading put a bid in of 250k for the midfielder at Walsall, but Walsall
    are holding out for 600k!
    
    I don't know whether it's 3 or 4 down from Div 1 this season, but
    either way Reading are a bit too close for comfort.  The four games in
    10 days period is vital.
    
    Should be a good 'un on Saturday!
    
    Chris
    
    
38.16992 games = 4 pointsCHEFS::ROSECTue Jan 02 1996 15:2119
    As per my last note - Osborn got his wish by joining McGhee at Wolves.
    Two points from three home games......good start that!
    
    4 points from the two games has helped the look of the table, from
    Reading's point of view.  From Saturday's game, out went Gilkes
    McPherson and Lambert and in came Gooding, Quinn and Kerr (for
    yesterday's game).
    
    The three points were deserved and welcomed, although a great stop late
    on by Hammond was needed.  The goalie looks confident and has excellent
    distribution - wouldn't bother me if neither Sheppard or Borislav
    rushed back from injury.
    
    Saturday is Gillingham at home in the Cup, followed by the trip to
    Leeds next Wednesday.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1700CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Jan 08 1996 14:3313
    A good start to the New Year - beating Tranmere 1-0 (good goalkeeping
    by the loanee keeper) and beating Gillingham 3-1.
    
    Dream draw with the possibility of meeting Manchester Utd in the
    next round of the F.A Cup.
    
    I wonder how many tickets Reading will be allocated?? Maybe they`ll
    give us half of the away end (considering the amount of Man Utd fans
    in Reading,ho!ho!).
    
    
    
    
38.1701A bit more about Saturday.CHEFS::CROSSAMon Jan 08 1996 19:3530
    Stuart,
     
    	Enough with the Utd jibes puuurrrrllleeeaaassseee !!!!
    
	How Fortune-West survived the first five minutes I will never        
    understand. First minute he hits Williams, Third minute he clobbers one
    of the youngsters, Fifth he hits Bobby and then squares up to him on
    the goal line. I assume he does not train with his feet and
    concentrates on fore arm smashes and elbowing technique. Words DIRTY,
    CHEATING and the one questioning his parentage spring to mind. AND he
    did not even get booked !!!
    The rest of the Gills looked content to assimilate this thuggery into
    their plan, which eventually the Ref noticed. First player sent off was
    quickly joined by the manager HO HO HO. This was after they had taken
    the lead !!!
    
    Second half and things continued as before. The next person to get his
    marching orders was the Gills captain for a second bookable. 
    
    Readings Morley and Quinn scored two corking goals which all the
    channels on TV decided to ignore !!! Gits !!! Quinn got a second. Final
    score 3-1 to the Royals. Roll on Leeds on Wednesday !!!
    Not a bad reulst considering the Gills worst defeat this season has
    been one nil, and they have only conceeded 7 goals in 22 league games
    All the more reason to be hacked off at the lack of news !!! Should not
    be surprised though after the play off run in and lack of covererage then.
    
    
    				Stretch.
    
38.1702CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyMon Jan 08 1996 19:406
    Stretch,
    
    Nice to see that you are a generous/magnanimous victor. Nothing about a
    brave effort by the 'smaller team', eh? 
    
    Stuart 
38.1703CHEFS::CROSSATue Jan 09 1996 18:0212
    Having finally got through to the club - Utd have to beat Sunderland at
    home yet folks !!!!- I am now in possesion of two tix for the game at
    Derby ( I will give the fans your number and best wishes, Rick).
    Is anyone else going ? Good luck on the phones. If you get the
    ringing tone stick with it, it will be answered.
    
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S Priority bookings i.e season tix/vouchers go on postal sale this
    Friday. No faxes accepted. One ticket per voucher. Tickets for GLORY
    HUNTERS go on sale from 9am Monday 22. No chance !!!!
                       
38.1704RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Jan 09 1996 18:045
    Please do Stretch.... I'd be pleased to talk with them...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.1705Englands No1, Not likely!CHEFS::BUSSONGWed Jan 10 1996 19:4710
    I cannot believe that Reading could have done something sooooo stupid!
    Any club that pays 40,000 for Nicky Hammond needs their collective
    heads examining. Having suffered his stupid mistakes for 5 or 6 years
    at Swindon I was so relieved to have gotten rid of him finally. Just
    wait until he starts to mis-kick into the back of the Reading net and
    see who will be cheering then!!
    
    Graham
    
                                                  
38.1706CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Jan 10 1996 20:569
    Dodgy keeper,eh??
    
    I`ve only seen him the once against Tranmere and er,I thought he was
    quite excellent. Great distribution of the ball and great dealing
    with crosses.
    
    Still,I could be proved wrong as time goes on.
    
    
38.1707Beware Stuart - Swindon in the area !!!!CHEFS::CROSSAThu Jan 11 1996 14:128
    Stuart,
      From the reports from mates on the three (?) matches Hammond played
    in you seem to share their view. I have not seen him play but people
    seem genuinely impressed. Mind you Bobby and Shep after Hislop are
    bound to look shaky !!! 
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1708Time will tellCHEFS::JAMESPThu Jan 11 1996 14:3219
    
    The last line of the previous mail summed it up, after Shaka 
    any keeper was going to struggle.
    
    I have'nt seen Hammond play since they made it to the Premeirship and I
    must admit he did'nt impress.
    
    I said at the beginning of the Season that I did'nt feel Shep was upto
    scratch and its obvious that Bobby's heart is'nt in it.
    
    Reading failure this year has been to scrimp on the Keeper as a class
    keeper will save/win you around 20 plus points a season. 
    
    You  can't expect either the defence or the keeper to gain confidence
    in themselves or each other if you keep changing the set up.
    
    Pj
   
    
38.1709CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyThu Jan 11 1996 16:413
    May I interject at this point. Is this the same Nicky Hammond Swindon
    signed from Arsenal. If so, Bob Wilson rated him very highly. Oh,
    dear..
38.1710Tin-tin lookalikeCHEFS::BUSSONGThu Jan 11 1996 19:3010
    Yes it certainly is!!!
    
    The fact that he was highly rated by that excellent goalie Mr R Wilson
    of Arse fame, lasted about 30 seconds into his debut game for us
    against Watford. He received a pass-back after the kick-off and
    proceeded to kick the ball straight at the then Watford striker Tony
    Agana who put Watford one nil up from 25 yards. After that it has taken
    5 or 6 years to get rid of the chap!!
    
    Graham
38.1711huh ?CHEFS::GROOMNBeer is Life, the rest is detailFri Jan 12 1996 12:2211
    Re : .1708
    
    Paul James, what a load of cobblers.  I hate to say this, but in your
    day you were a mighty fine 'keeper.  Now when did Digital most recently
    amass more than 20 points, let alone have 20 "saved" by your heroics !!
    
    
    ;-)
    
    
    Nev.
38.1712oopps shit missed that oneCHEFS::JAMESPFri Jan 12 1996 12:558
    
    Nev,
    
    The reason I was never able to mass this amount was due to the fact
    that only ten players ever turned up and I had to play you at centre
    half.. 8-)
    
    Pj
38.1713Bad result that could have been averted.CHEFS::CROSSAMon Jan 15 1996 15:0819
    Derby 3 - Reading 0
    
    Fist half over and Reading looked good for at least a point. Sturridge
    missed a couple of sitters otherwise things would have been a lot
    worse.
    
    Second half Reading must have been on the Valium at half time 'cos they
    were diabolical. Only thing that prevented more blushes was Hammond. As
    all the goals were at the opposite end to us it was hard to tell who
    was at fault. The defence kept backing off Sturridge which was a huge
    mistake. Hammond did look confident/impressive when the shots were
    coming in.
    
    Usual bitching and moaning about the officials. The only thing the
    Derby and Reading fans agreed on was a) We HATE Leeds b) The officials
    have naughty self abuse problems. 
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1714RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Jan 15 1996 15:129
    >We HATE Leeds
    
    	Stretch... you sound all bitter & twisted...
    
    	Its only a game.. ;->
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.1715~Only a game my posterior !!!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAMon Jan 15 1996 15:196
    Rick,
    Get back to your own note and respond to the vitriol therein !!!!
    
    
    
         		Stretch.
38.1716RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Jan 15 1996 16:057
    You sound so bitter Stretch....
    
    Did we have a bet on the outcome of the game??
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.1717Which pub were you in ?????CHEFS::CROSSAMon Jan 15 1996 17:005
    After the jammy display your flock put on a Derby last weekend the last
    place I would risk my dosh is against you !!!!
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1718RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Jan 15 1996 17:136
    We went in the Dragon Hotel Pub.. its just down from where I live &
    about 10 minutes walk from the ground.
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.1719CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyMon Jan 15 1996 17:183
    >its just down from where I live
    
    Its a hell of a long way to commute to work every day Rick...
38.1720And another thing ............CHEFS::CROSSAMon Jan 15 1996 17:185
    Oh Yeah Rick. One other thing about your flukey result. I thought the
    days of bribery at Elland Road went with Mr Revie ?!?!?!
    
    
    			Bitter_Stretch.
38.1721Just as well that the dead cannot sue...CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyMon Jan 15 1996 17:347
    Stretch,
    
    That last note is a bit below the belt. Were the bribery charges ever
    proven against Revie. If so, George Graham may well be the next England
    manager.
    
    Stuart
38.1722Now frolick off......P.S That Merson liked to Gambol didn't heCHEFS::CROSSAMon Jan 15 1996 17:493
    Defender of Sheep frolicks into action AGAIN !!!!!
    
    			Stretch.
38.1723CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyMon Jan 15 1996 17:516
    Stretch,
    
    I refer you to my previous note about Defending the weak, blah blah
    blah...
    
    Stuart
38.1724Not convinced.CHEFS::CROSSAMon Jan 15 1996 18:475
    Stratto,
   	 Strange that they are always Sheep though !!!
    
    
            		Stretch.
38.1725Hmmm, you're not very close to the right answer in -1CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyMon Jan 15 1996 19:005
    Stretch,
    
    Another coincidence is that you have picked on them....?
    
    Stuart
38.1726Esp. when they can't even get into the Premier League..RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Tue Jan 16 1996 11:417
    >from where I live....
    
    	Well I'd never admit to living in Reading....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.1727Erm....CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIFind a happy place...!!Tue Jan 16 1996 12:104
    And I would never admit to living in Whitley !!!
    
    
    Ian.
38.1728CHEFS::CROSSAWed Jan 17 1996 13:315
    Reading now face Man U at home on the 27th. I will be in the South Bank
    (strange that as I asked for Tilehurst End Tix) should be a good noisy
    atmosphere.
    
    			Stretch. 
38.1729GridlockedPGREEN::CHALFONTMon Jan 22 1996 16:1240
    Reading managed a much needed 1-0 win on Saturday against Stoke with
    Mick Gooding scoring the winning goal midway through the second half.
    Certainly our home form is beginning to look better but we have the
    worst away record in the whole division. This is a dramatic change from
    last year when we had the best or second best away record and is a
    major reason why we are at the other end of the table. With the other
    clubs at the bottom all beginning to pick up points (Port Vale, Luton
    and Wolves), this win was vital. The next home game against Portsmouth
    is another crucial game.
    
    Anyway, all the attention this week will be on the Manchester United
    game. I am glad I had a voucher and therefore got my ticket last week
    because the radio reports this morning said that the queues started at
    midnight (it was perishingly cold last night as well) and that by 6am this
    morning the queue was half a mile long with all the surrounding roads
    gridlocked. The police estimated there were 2000 people queuing for
    1700 tickets. Rather them than me - there are also going to be a lot of
    disappointed people.                                  
    
    Reading's biggest problem for Saturday is a goalkeeper. With Shepherd
    and Mikhailov injured (Boris also wants out apparently) and Nicky
    Hammond now gone down with Chicken Pox, we do not have a fit
    goalkeeper. Reading used their 7th goalkeeper of the seaon on Saturday
    but since we are unlikely to be able to play a loaned player, this
    could be a serious problem. It is probably time for Jimmy Quinn to put
    the jersey on again.
    
    It seems incredible that after having the one goalkeeper play for
    nearly 3 seasons without missing a game, we have now used seven in just
    half of a season. FYI, the 3 in addition to those already mentioned
    have been Chris Woods, Eric Nixon and Steve Sutton. Is this a league
    record? It certainly doesn't help the team not knowing which goalkeeper
    is playing from one game to the next!
    
    Anyway, here's hoping for a great game on Saturday.
    
    
    
    Neil 
    
38.1730Madjeski be positiveCHEFS::JAMESPMon Jan 22 1996 18:556
    
    All that needed to happen was for Reading to take on Shilts as cover
    he's still far better than all the crap keepers Reading have put out 
    this year (Chris woods excepted).
    
    Pj
38.1731Tricky One for the RedsESSB::BLONGPREMIER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1993 &amp; 1994Tue Jan 23 1996 21:187
If Sutton is still on Derby's books??, they will probably let him play as they 
are out of the cup. Does he still play for Derby.

What is the capacity of Elm Park now. Saw a great 2-2 against Portsmouth there
on easter saturday 1987.

B@
38.1732CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyWed Jan 24 1996 12:105
    Can Sutton play? I thought he was substitute against Leeds (x3) in the
    last round? In which case, he must be cup-tied as he named as a member
    of Derbys' team.
    
    Stuart
38.1733OH MY GOD !!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAWed Jan 24 1996 13:0213
    Frightening as it is I think Bobby will be in goal !!! Quinn was quoted
    on text last night saying something along the lines of - He has to
    raise his game. If you cannot raise it against a team like Utd then you
    have problems !!!
    
    Rumour central has it that Bobby wants to go. He seems to think a few
    premier teams want him ?!?!?! Five not very impressive starts since he
    arrived do not get you too the premier chap. Shaka being a good case of
    how long it can be before you get to the top league.
    
    
    			Stretch.
    
38.1734CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyWed Jan 24 1996 13:066
    Stretch,
    
    Do you not think that some of his problems may be that he has not got
    that good a defence in front of him?
    
    Stuart
38.1735NOCHEFS::CROSSAWed Jan 24 1996 13:437
    Stratto,
    The defence are not responsible for his very shaky handling on crosses
    and corners. I would like him to play a few more games, do not get me
    wrong, but this is a big game (understatement) which needs a confident
    keeper with a few more than five games under his belt.
    
    			Stretch.
38.1736King BobbyCHEFS::JAMESPWed Jan 24 1996 14:0815
    
    Re- 1 Big game = Shilts...
    
    I'm told this is true.
    
    Bobby was at training just before xmas and kept on complaining to
    Quinny that he did'nt want to keep doing the shuttle runs. He said to
    Quinn "i not want to do this I want proper goalkeeper training. This
    would'nt happen in Bulgeria because there I'm known as the King"
    
    To which Quinn replied "I could'nt give a f*ck what you want, in Reading
    your known as a C**t"
    
    Pj
                                                                     
38.1737Wiggy is backCHEFS::BUSSONGWed Jan 24 1996 14:1310
    In answer to whether Steve Sutton could play for Reading on Saturday,
    new rules brought in this year for the FA Cup prevent ANY loan signing
    from playing in the cup for the team they are loaned to. If they sign
    for that club afterwards and have not played for their previous club in
    the cup they will not then be cup-tied.
    
    All academic really because Mihailov(sp?) will be between the sticks on
    Saturday.
    
    Graham
38.1738Gooding's getting lairy !!!CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIFind a happy place...!!Fri Jan 26 1996 17:4547
    
    
    READING may have found the secret of keeping Manchester United out of 
    the penalty area during tomorrow's FA Cup fourth round tie at Elm Park 
    - chicken pox.
              
    Goalkeeper Boris Mikhailov is struggling to recover from a thigh strain
    and with Steve Sutton ineligible, chicken pox victim Nicky Hammond may 
    be forced into action.
    
    ``We might even make him change in their dressing room,'' joked Reading 
    striker Stuart Lovell. ``It'll be a hell of a hard game and we shall be 
    huge underdogs but the fans will expect us to put up a battling 
    performance.''
    
    Lovell also feels the dreadful condition of the Elm Park pitch will be 
    a leveller. ``We played Tranmere on New Year's Day and Gillingham in 
    the last round in appalling conditions and it's wrecked the pitch for
    the rest of the season,'' he explained. ``It's covered in sand and 
    will make it hard for them. They will try and play down the flanks 
    but, to be honest, they are not much better.''
              
    Reading player-manager Mick Gooding insists United will need to be
    at their best to survive. United needed a replay and a late Andy Cole 
    winner to see off Sunderland in the last round. And Gooding reckons 
    the 5/1 second favourites will come a cropper if they are not firing 
    on all cylinders against his first division strugglers. ``United will 
    come down here expecting a tough game and we won't disappoint them,'' 
    vowed Gooding. ``And if they come here and are not spot on they'll be 
    in trouble,'' he warned.
              
    Reading put up a brave fight before going down 2-1 to Leeds in the
    quarter-finals of the Coca-Cola Cup and Gooding is promising more of 
    the same against Alex Ferguson's men. ``If you try to contain a team 
    like United you're inviting problems,'' argued Gooding. ``You've got 
    to take the game to them. ``United have got a lot of wonderful 
    players and they've also got players who are prepared to dig in as 
    they showed in the replay at Sunderland. ``But everyone here is wound 
    up for the game and our lads thrive on the big occasion. ``There has 
    been a great buzz round the whole town ever since the draw was made. 
    The capacity here is 15,000 but we could have sold it out three times 
    over.''
    
    Taken from Futurenet:News - Reading vow to make it tough for United
    
    
    Ian.	  
38.1739Shades of Emlyn Hughes.CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJI hope you're happy nowFri Jan 26 1996 18:487
    
    Um, I don't think I'm going to bother going to the game now. I've just
    found out that Alan Mullery has tipped the Royals to win.....
    
    
    Jeff
    
38.1740Brrrrr...it's chilly out there.CHEFS::LAINSBURYAFri Jan 26 1996 20:083
    My money's on a frozen beach...I mean pitch.
    
    Andy
38.1741MOEUR7::SMITHFast as a Mamba, Brave as a Lion!Mon Jan 29 1996 11:172
    
    Sorry Reading, United won three-nil.
38.1742Good Sport Award...NOT!CHEFS::NASHMon Jan 29 1996 13:182
    
    What no notes on how sporting the Reading fans were hummm.
38.1743CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyMon Jan 29 1996 13:274
    What is more surprising is that Stretch has yet to enter a note blaming
    the referee for the defeat or accusing the Linesman of faking being hit
    by a coin.
    
38.1744CHEFS::NASHMon Jan 29 1996 13:302
    
    Or Paul Parker bringing his own lunch!!!
38.1745 CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Jan 29 1996 14:117
    What caused the trouble in the South Bank and the what lead to the
    poor linesman being hit with a coin??
    
    Come to that,what was a banana doing on the pitch?? 
    
    
    
38.1746CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyMon Jan 29 1996 14:177
     re -1
    
    Ooh, take a rough guess why the banana was on the pitch, given the
    alledged close vicinity of Paul Parker.
    
    Both are examples which show the good natured manner in which a defeat
    is handled in Reading.
38.1747NOT a true result on the day.CHEFS::CROSSAMon Jan 29 1996 14:4747
    Right !!!!
    
        Having finally been allowed to get into notes I can defend my
    honour.
    
    	Reading had the first half fairly much under their control. Up
    until Giggs finished off the shot that Hammond originally saved well
    from Sharpe they had only entered Readings half with any vengeance a
    couple of times. And Keane should have been booked for that dive in the
    area !!! You do not need to pull that kind of nonsense against anyone,
    let alone Reading. We do a good enough job of giving free kicks anyway
    !! ref Cole on edge of the box. Hey Nice curling shot into the wall
    Giggs !!! If the finishing was better on Readings part maybe we could
    have gone in level at half time.
    
    
    Second half ticking along in a 50-50 kinda way until Neville P goes
    off. On comes Parker who gets yellow carded with his first touch !!
    Second touch he plays sends the ball off his shin and into the goal.
    Looked very good, but I am sure even Paul P would agree that the Lord Of
    Fluke was smiling upon him. That was at 56 minutes and the game was
    effectively over. 
    Cantona put in the third in the 89th minute to bury the game
    completely. Cole on the day was f****** atrocious !!! The reason he did
    not get Bernal sent off for the challenge on the edge of the box was
    because the rules state the tackled player has to be on a goal scoring
    chance. The way he finished you could leave the goal empty, no
    defenders to beat and he would STILL miss from 6 inches out let alone 6
    yards !!! He was SHITE !!!! 
    
    Some violence and stupidity that went on has grabbed more headlines
    than the game itself but why bother with the facts eh ?? Letting Utd
    fans in the South Bank was a bloody stupid idea and was only going to
    result in trouble. Dave tells me that the old aeroplane jibes were
    going on -  sad, stupid pricks !!! I hope they got videoed and will be
    banned.
    
    My bias is obviously showing on the Reading side. I was wearing my
    Reading shirt on the day and right up until the whistle blew I was
    not sure how my loyalties would display themselves. On the whole I
    think Reading played better  than 3 - 0 implies. we were certainly not
    that bad !!! Great occasion for Elm Park, sad about the result. 
    
    I probably will add more later.
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1748Mr Marlborough = Stretch's invisible friendCHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyMon Jan 29 1996 16:157
    Stretch,
    
    Please add more later on. The nicotine withdrawal symptoms are
    manifesting themselves rather nicely and its looking like Andy Cole is
    going to be in for some more vitriol...
    
    Stuart
38.1749TWAT !!!CHEFS::CROSSAMon Jan 29 1996 16:161
    You could at least spell the name properly !!!
38.1750CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyMon Jan 29 1996 16:534
    > TWAT !!! 
    
    That's a bit rich coming from someone who looks like a Giraffe with St.
    Vitus Dance...
38.1751And I say again..........CHEFS::CROSSAMon Jan 29 1996 18:031
    TWAT !!!
38.1752CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyMon Jan 29 1996 18:152
    Nicotine withdrawal in its next phase: Lack of vocabulary and repetive
    use of a one syllable word
38.1753Not just those giving up smoking..... RDGENG::MORRELLI woz here, Now I'm not, Now you're here, Gutted or wot!Mon Jan 29 1996 18:185
    I thought that was the usual description of a Reading fan....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.1754AND I am trying to cut down on the drinking as well !!!!CHEFS::CROSSAMon Jan 29 1996 18:236
    Stratto,
    Next phase?? This is going to go on forever!! Better get used to the all
    new bileous, venom filled, spite merchent. Oh That's me normally !!
    Eeeerrr Be Afraid! Be Very Afraid!! etc etc.
    
    				Stretch. 
38.1755Secondary TWAT alert !!CHEFS::CROSSAMon Jan 29 1996 18:241
    And as for you Rick....... You can FLOCK off as well!!!!
38.1756CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyMon Jan 29 1996 18:505
    > AND I am trying to cut down on the drinking as well !!!! 
    
    I would imagine that the other visitors to whichever bar we go to for
    the next drinkies will be hoping that there is a damn sight less
    swearing than came from your mouth at the last one as well...
38.1757The word that rhymes with ROLLOX springs to mind!!CHEFS::CROSSAMon Jan 29 1996 18:599
    Stratto.
    And of course I was the only person using fluent Anglo-Saxon on the
    evening in question eh ? EH !?!? I remember your diatribe at me when I
    had the gall to question the abilities of one Tony " ee-aw  ee-aw
    ee-always calls me that!" Adams. You had women and small children
    blubbing their eyes out you oafish, beer swilling LOUT !! Anyway when
    is the next one due???
    
    				Stretch.
38.1758CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyMon Jan 29 1996 19:026
    Er, excuse me, Mr Tall Shaky type person,
    
    You were by far and away the loudest and obnoxious person there. You
    language would have put a navvy to shame young man.
    
    Next one - possibly next week. But then again, maybe not.
38.1759Not a happy bunny!!!CHEFS::CROSSAMon Feb 05 1996 13:547
    Reading 0 - Pompey 1 + 1 disallowed. Suffice to say that we were SHITE.
    The team were justifiably booed off the pitch. Pompey were no better
    and a win for either side was not a fair result. If anyone knows the
    Pompey trumpet player(?) or bell ringer could they please give them a
    slap from approximately 6000 Reading fans.(one slap per fan!).
    AND it was on t.v, AND Digital had some sponsorship deal going on with
    customers in attendence. Bet they were chuffed.
38.1760DreadfulPGREEN::CHALFONTMon Feb 05 1996 15:3631
    Probably the worst performance in over 3 years - we were dreadful.
    As Andy said Portsmouth were no better and it was only a deflected shot
    which won the game. Unless things improve dramatically and quickly,
    then relegation is now a real possibility.
    
    We are just not a patch on the team of the last few seasons. The
    passing is often woeful (much of the time the ball is in the air) compared
    to the crisp, free-flowing style that we had become so used to and now
    only see in glimpses. We don't look like we are going to score at
    present either (Quinn is too slow, Nogan is a shadow of the player at
    the end of last season and Morley was dropped yesterday). Our crossing
    yesterday was abysmal and, although James Lambert had one or two bad
    crosses, he was the one player who looked dangerous and he was
    substituted. Even Micky Gooding had a nightmare game.
    
    Only Adie Williams played anything like his full potential yesterday
    and that was probably because he knew the cameras were on him and
    therefore the scouts may be watching!
    
    Something has got to change and fast. This division is very mediorce
    this season and the chasm between the Premiership and the 1st division
    seems to be growing all the time. Goodness knows what would have
    happened if we had been promoted - mind you we may not have lost our
    star players if that was the case.
    
    Note the attendance was only 6,900 yesterday and 1000 of them were from
    Portsmouth. What happened to all those "fans" of last week?
    
    
    Neil
        
38.1761CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback and NastyMon Feb 05 1996 16:3612
38.1762Blame the pitch!CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJYou ain't seen me, roight?Mon Feb 05 1996 16:5622
    
    re .1761
    
    There is a fourth option - those who's old man was ill in hospital and
    went to visit thus mising the game. However, I suspect the number of
    these isn't a great deal more than one (me).
    
    Unfortunately I managed to catch some of the game on the Box but rather
    wished I'd watched Eastenders instead. Reading were dire and will get
    relegated if they can't play better than this. Quinn and Gooding seem
    to have lost their way - why have they reverted to 4-4-2, with
    Holsgrove and Parkinson in the centre of midfield? This has never
    worked and never will do (except perhaps in the Pontins League Division
    Three which is where we're heading).
    
    Still, Millwall next week - they're pretty crap 'n all.
    
    
    Anne Optimist
    
    
    
38.1763Transfer Speculation ???CHEFS::RUTHERFORDIFind a happy place...!!Mon Feb 26 1996 12:416
38.1764gasp!CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Feb 26 1996 13:391
    
38.1765Brief overview.CHEFS::CROSSAMon Feb 26 1996 16:257
    Well if he watched Saturdays dull 1-1 game he may well have changed his
    mind! Not an inspiring game at all. Awful first half, second was better
    for both sides. Penalty decision was a little dubious but given that no
    team 'deserved' to win on the day it equalled things out.
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1766CHEFS::STRATFORDSI want to be a Stretch!Mon Feb 26 1996 17:004
    According to the Evening Standard, Caskey has asked for time to think
    over the move.
    
    Stuart
38.1767great whilst it lastedCHEFS::JAMESPMon Feb 26 1996 17:556
    
    Can't say I blame him playing in Div 2 does'nt seem to be a 
    good career move.
    
    Pj
    
38.1768.1765 looks more realistic by the minute!CHEFS::CROSSAMon Feb 26 1996 18:032
    
    
38.1769Apologies for a factual note Stratto!!!CHEFS::CROSSAAnd I wanna get ......Wed Feb 28 1996 13:0010
    Well Reading gained a valuable away win last night against Luton. Luton
    had taken the lead on 5 minutes with a penalty. Booty(!) scored a header
    on 45 minutes and Archie won the game on 78 minutes for us. That puts
    us back up to the giddy heights of 18th!!! Watford at home on Saturday
    which could mean a pasting for us as they are the bottom club in the
    table!!!
    If we can beat Watford the 3 points will help us breathe a lot easier,
    and we have a game or two in hand over some of the clubs below us.
    
    			Stretch. 
38.1770ho,hoCHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Feb 28 1996 13:283
    If Reading beat Watford on Saturday,they`ll be talk of a late dash for
    a play off place.
    
38.1771They still seem to think it is possible!! Yeah Right!CHEFS::CROSSAAnd I wanna get ......Wed Feb 28 1996 16:075
    Stuart,
      In the programme for the Leicester game there was a comment about
    still being in with a good chance of still getting there!!!
    
    			Stretch.
38.1772Some optimismWOTVAX::CHALFONTThu Feb 29 1996 15:1628
    Pressure of work has prevented me entering a note recently and in this
    time, all we seem to be able to do is draw. That is until Tuesday
    night.
    
    A much needed win which must be followed up by another against Watford
    on Saturday. Things were beginning to look very bleak, and whilst one
    result doesn't change things, I believe signs are looking better. We
    now have almost a full squad to choose from (Morley, Kerr and now
    Darius being the only injured players compared to having 7 or 8 injured
    at most times during the season) and the addition of Caskey will
    hopefully improve the midfield, although only time will tell. 
    
    The defence certainly looks more solid with Williams returning to
    something like his old form, Boris (or Mick Haylov as Ceefax called him
    the other day) looking more at home and Jeff Hopkins adding some steel.
    
    Phil Parkinson has been the best player recently and always give 100%.
    Hopefully Caskey will come in and replace Paul Holsgrove, who has had a
    poor run of form. Even Gilkesy and Meaker appear to have found some
    enthusiasm and form. All we need know is for Lee Nogan to find his goal
    scoring touch.
    
    In reality, the difference between a relegation and a play-off place is
    still only 10 points or so. A string of good results means that, even from
    their lowly position, a play-off spot is not impossible. However, at
    the moment I will be happy as long as we don't get relegated.
    
    A more optimistic Neil                                       
38.1773Darren Caskey or Arthur Askey?CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJYou ain't seen me, roight?Mon Mar 11 1996 12:0416
    
    		McGhee's latest toy 1  Reading 1
    
    Good point for the Royals - as long as we can start to win our home
    games (where have we heard THAT before).
    
    A good game, too, with both sides missing straight-forward chances in
    the second half. Williams and Hopkins played well for the Royals - the
    defence looks better than at any time this season. Caskey was a
    peripheral figure which illustrates perfectly for anyone who hasn't
    already guessed that Reading bought far too late in the season - by the
    time he's settled in, we may well already be relegated!
    
    
    Jeff
    
38.1774Going down!CHEFS::BUSSONGMon Mar 11 1996 14:099
    As the lone Swindon fan in this conference I take great pleasure in
    uttering these words:-
    
    "You're going down with the Watford, down with the
    Watford..............."
    
    Big local derby game for you boys next year vs Wycombe!
    
    Graham
38.1775Now go to the Man Utd note for the "highlight" of the day!CHEFS::CROSSAAlias Fabio Mon Mar 11 1996 15:1023
    A point away from home on Saturday was well deserved. Reading looked
    tight defensively with Bobby making a couple of good saves. Gooding ran
    himself into the ground as usual, Caskey seemed to start well but faded
    during the second half. Bull and Goodman wasted a couple of sitters.
    Ref and linesman were effing diabolical. Lots of pressure in the second
    half from Wolves but Reading held firm. Fair result on the day if I am
    being honest. 
    Given the fact that we only had 1,500 seats we made a lot of noise.    
    Certainly more than the 24,500 Wolves fans were making after we took
    the lead with chants of "Judas, Whats the score?. Judas, Judas, whats
    the score?" McGhees face must have been a picture at that point!
    Especially as the same thing happened when he was at Leicester earlier
    this season!
    
    Ref - Sheepy noises from Wiltshire. BAAAAGER OFF!!!! It's easy to look
    good when surronded by dross! The Wolves fans, when they finally did
    start singing, were giving it "Down with the Albion! You're going down
    with the albion!". One of the "advantages" of relegation is not facing
    your mob too soon! What was the score last time these sides met....oh
    yeah... 3-0 to us!!!! Followed by lots of "Cheerio, Cheerio, Cheerio"'s
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1776Steve MacMahon's barmy armyCHEFS::BUSSONGMon Mar 11 1996 18:2911
    Stretch,
    
    	It would be a shame if Reading do go down. It would mean that the
    Town boys would have no local derbies to look forward to (on the
    proviso that Bath Rovers or Oxford don't get up via the playoffs) next
    year. Our nearest would probably be Pompey with their bloody bells. I
    have a great deal of time for Jimmy Quinn. He was a superb player when
    he was with us and it's nice to see he's still playing well. Tom Jones
    and Nicky Hammond you can keep with my blessing though!
    
    Graham
38.1777CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Mar 11 1996 19:526
    Reading won`t go down. They haven`t lost in 6. Admitedly 5 of those
    have been draws,but I have faith they`ll stay up.
    
    Shame they can`t score any goals,mind.
    
    
38.1778WOTVAX::CHALFONTTue Mar 12 1996 20:2530
    I don't get to go to many away games, especially those further afield, but I
    decided to go to Molineux on Saturday. One of the reasons for going was
    to see their stadium. I have to say it was very impressive and really
    bought home the poor condition of Elm Park. Roll on the time when
    Reading's new stadium will be built.
    
    With respect to the game, Reading were never going to win playing
    Lovell up front on his own. Gooding's goal was a 30 yard shot which
    took a deflection off Dean Richard and completely wrong footed Stowell.
    Still before the game I would have settled for a draw.
    
    Two Wolves players impressed on Saturday. One was Dean Richard and he
    is certainly one for the future. The other was Simon Osborn. He was
    everywhere on the pitch and was at the centre of everything Wolves did.
    His performance highlighted the difference between Reading of last
    season and this. 
    
    Mihailov is now beginning to look the part. It will be interesting to
    see if he plays for Bulgaria against England at the end of this month.
    
    The next 5 games are against Norwich (H), Southend (H), Tranmere (A),
    Wolves (H) and Oldham (H). Since all these games are against teams in a
    similar position to Reading, the next 3 weeks are probably going to
    largely determine Reading's fate at the end of the season. With four of
    them being at home, the onus really is on Reading to go out and win
    them.
    
    
    Neil
                   
38.1779Grotty ground I know but as McGhee said in the prog "quaint"!CHEFS::CROSSAAlias Fabio Tue Mar 12 1996 20:4826
    Neil,
    
    >> Mihailov is now beginning to look the part. It will be interesting to
    >> see if he plays for Bulgaria against England at the end of this month.
    
      I thought he made some excellent saves BUT he also has a habit of
    palming the ball across the face of the goal. Luckily the ball landed
    at the feet of Reading players on the 3/4 occassions he did it. If it
    had been Bull/Goodman/any other Wolves player we would have had a
    problem. He is THE Bulgarian #1 and I would be surprised if he is not
    between the posts for the England game 
    
    Ref wanting to get out of Elm Park. As a 6'5" build I bloody hate all
    seater stadiums as it means I get 90 minutes of blood loss below the
    knee! I actually enjoy the terracing at Elm Park and the freedom of
    movement it allows when celebrating goals (not much chance to enjoy the
    room this season!) AND it is two quid cheaper!
    
    Apart from the McGhee issue I also wanted to have a look at this
    stadium and see if it was all it is cracked up to be. I thought the
    ground on Saturday was superb though and I can understand the
    fans being p*ssed off at having such a good ground while still being an
    Endsleigh side.
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1780DepressingWOTVAX::CHALFONTMon Mar 18 1996 16:3236
    Reading 0 Norwich 3
    
    Absolute crap and we deserved nothing from the game. Reading were booed
    off the pitch and, whilst I am always an optimist, things had better
    start improving pretty damn quick. 
    
    I just don't know where the goals are going to come from. I can't
    remember one decent attempt on goal on Saturday. Playing Lovell up
    front on his own is just not the answer.
    
    Every member of the team played poorly, with the exception of Meaker
    who is at last playing well.
    
    The omens were bad from the start when Shepherd was in goal. Can anyone
    explain how he escaped being sent off - the referee must have been the
    only person in Elm Park who didn't believe his hacking down of Darren
    Eadie (who had just dispossessed Shepherd following a back pass) wasn't
    a) deliberate, b) a penalty and c) a sending-off offence.
    
    The situation is now becoming serious. What with virtually every other
    team in the lower half of the division winning, Reading are now in the
    bottom 3. I know we have games in hand but on Saturdays showing these
    will count for nothing.
    
    The problem is that I don't know what the solution is. The present
    playing staff are simply not performing and I doubt there is any other
    money available having bought Caskey. To make matters worse, rumour has
    it that Adie is now likely to move before the transfer deadline (he was
    watched by Rioch and Ferguson last week).
    
    Unless we stay up, I can't believe Madjeski or any one else will invest
    in the new stadium. It could be the start of a steeply spiralling
    decline.
    
    A depressed Neil
                    
38.1781Christ are we in the mess now!?!?!?CHEFS::CROSSAAlias Fabio Mon Mar 18 1996 17:5710
    I agree with Neil on all of the previous points. Reading are right in
    the poo! As Mr Kirkparrick pointed out earlier - Reading are not
    *winning* enough games. Draws will not get us enough points to stay up!
    
    Sheps "tackle" was a definate penalty although not awarding it made up
    for the number of occasions he stopped advantage being played by
    Reading. Usual high standard of reffing to match Readings quality
    play!!
    
    			Very_concerned_Stretch.
38.1782NEED A WIN TOMORROW !!!!!!!CHEFS::ROSECMon Mar 18 1996 19:3914
    re last two......ditto.
    
    One thing though, according to Radio Berks yesterday the stadium WILL
    go ahead anyway.  Although I would agree that things had better start
    improving.
    
    Tuesday night is Southend at home, also Palace v Luton and Ipswich v
    Oldham.  Wednesday is Brum v WBA and P.Vale v Norwich.
    
    Important week!!
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1783The shows title points the way !!!CHEFS::RUTHERFORDII've been seen with FABIO !!!Wed Mar 20 1996 13:0813
    Good to see Reading on telly last night.......Unfortunately, it was on
    'They Think It's All Over'.
    
    Now what was it Nick Hancock said.....
    
    "Man Utd have Mick Hucknall, Man City have Oasis and Reading have a
    middle-aged Israeli spoon-bender !!!
    
    
    Very Prophetic !!
    
    
    Ian.
38.1784Anyone go to this? CHEFS::CROSSAAlias Fabio Wed Mar 20 1996 13:316
    Having an excuse to not be at Elm Park last night I missed a goal
    frenzy. Sadly Reading managed to let a 3 - 1 advantage go. End result  
    3 - 3. A point after leading with that scoreline!!! Christ we are
    DOOMED.
    
    			Stretch.
38.1785RDGENG::MORRELLI'm just OUTATIME..... Wed Mar 20 1996 15:4311
    Well your not doomed yet... its going to be between you & Sheffield
    United on who goes down... you need to win your game in hand over them
    to make sure you're not one of those teams going down.. :->
    
    Do they still have relegation playoffs??
    
    You never know you could be on your way to Wembley again Stretch....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick. 
38.1786Welcome back. Are you going to Wemberleeeee then Rick.CHEFS::CROSSAAlias Fabio Wed Mar 20 1996 15:5811
    Rick,
    Where have you been then Mr Morrell? Eh? Buying up all the merchandise
    you could get your hands on ready for your up and coming pasting at the
    hands of Villa? Gloryhunters!! (As Derek is no longer around I will
    speak up for them, and I have no doubt Mr Stratford will defend you!!)
    
    Ref Reading - After last nights "performance" a feeling of utter
    resignation has fallen over me. We are right in the poo, games in hand
    or not. And no there is no relegation play off that I am aware of.
    
    			Stretch.
38.1787CHEFS::ROSECWed Mar 20 1996 17:1020
    There are no relegation play-offs.  Three go down....
    
    
    Current position - 
    
    			pl	pts	goals	games left
    						h	a
    17 - GRIMSBY	35	42	39	4	7
    18 - WBA		35	40	44	4	7
    19 - READING	35	40	40	5	6
    20 - OLDHAM		35	39	45	5	6
    21 - SHEFF U	37	39	41	5	4
    22 - P.VALE		32	39	38	8	6
    23 - LUTON		35	37	31	5	6
    24 - WATFORD	35	32	39	7	4
    
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1788CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJYou ain't seen me, roight?Thu Mar 21 1996 11:2110
    
    Port Vale won last night and the Baggies drew. 
    
    Apart from the fact I'm just a bit biased, it would be hugely funny to
    see Sheff Utd go down - since Kendall has spent a fair bit of dosh and
    the media have praised him to the hilt.
    
    
    Jeff
    
38.1789Nurse! The medication!CHEFS::CROSSAAlias Fabio Thu Mar 21 1996 13:273
    Are you still going up to Tranmere?
    
    			Stretch.
38.1790CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJYou ain't seen me, roight?Thu Mar 21 1996 13:436
    
    I is. Why? Do you want a lift?
    
    Jeff
    
    
38.1791Notes from abroad..CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJYou ain't seen me, roight?Mon Mar 25 1996 20:5523
    
    
    		Tranmere 2  Reading 1
    
    
    Mr OG won the game for Tranmere as "Mary" sliced a clearance into the
    roof of the net. This defeat leaves the Royals teetering on the brink -
    mind you, we could still make the play-offs.
    
    In fact, Reading could have won this game comfortably - they had
    enough chances - Lovell, Gooding and Hopkins should all have their wages 
    docked or their balls cut off, whichever is the more painful. 
    Unfortunately, "could have" is never good enough and certainly not at this 
    stage of the season.
    
    Just a word on Tranmere's fans - they were all no more than eight years
    old. Well, OK, some were a bit older but mentally, at least, still in
    short trousers. Perhaps, as they get older, they realise it might be a
    better idea to switch allegiance to the other side of the Mersey.
    
    
    Jeff
    
38.1792You could be roight !!CHEFS::RUTHERFORDII've been seen with FABIO !!!Mon Mar 25 1996 21:186
    Yeah,
    
    	But Wigan's a bit of a come down, isn't it !!
    
    
    Ian.
38.1793Bobby not playing..neverCHEFS::JAMESPThu Mar 28 1996 21:198
    
    I guess the way Bobby went off on Wednesday night he might 
    not be playing Saturday.
    
    Getting their monies worth out of him are'nt they.
    
    Pj
    
38.1794Crucial gameWOTVAX::CHALFONTFri Mar 29 1996 15:3015
    Tomorrows game against Oldham really is a critical 6 pointer. With them
    in the third relegation spot one place below us, the result will have a
    major bearing on Reading's fortunes.
    
    Since my last note when I highlighted the critical series of games
    Reading were just about to embark on, we have picked up 1 point out of
    9. Relegation form! The performance against Southend was a vast
    improvement and we should have won comfortably but suicidal defending
    in the last 10 minutes cost us two crucial points.
    
    It also looks if Shepherd will be in goal tomorrow since both Mikhailov
    and Hammond are injured. Not a good omen.
    
    Neil
        
38.1795Right in the poo!CHEFS::CROSSAWhat a splendid weekend!Fri Mar 29 1996 15:4510
    Neil,
    
      I know I normally snipe at keepers (Hi Pj) but to constantly go
    "omigawd,  xxxxxx is in goal" takes away from the fact that there are
    10 other players in front of xxxxxx who ALL seem to be playing a 'mare
    this season (odd performances excluded). This game is VITAL and I can
    only see Division 2 looming large if we lose on the 'morrow!  
    
    
        		Stretch.
38.1796Maps out for WycombeCHEFS::JAMESPFri Mar 29 1996 18:0611
    
    Stretch,
    
    Re 1 agreed about the other 10 players, however if you look at any
    successful side it has a strong spine ie GLK - Central
    defender/Midfield - Striker, you then add the rest.
    
    Readings problems have been created because they sold the spine of the
    team and did'nt replace with Quality replacments.
    
    Pj
38.1797Oh Bugger!CHEFS::CROSSAWhat a splendid weekend!Fri Mar 29 1996 20:034
    Or bought too late. Caskey must be kicking himself!
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1798CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJYou ain't seen me, roight?Mon Apr 01 1996 12:5912
    
    
    		Reading 2  Oldham 0
    
    
    Important win against a truly dire Oldham side, who, as the saying
    goes, were lucky to get nil. The Royals might yet be saved by the fact
    that the three teams beneath them are even worse than they are.
    
    Jeff
    
    
38.17992-0 to the Royals (again) will suit us !!!!CHEFS::CROSSATree, Tree, Tree Hugger!Tue Apr 02 1996 16:457
    O.K So which of you Palace mob is coming to the mighty Elm Park to witness
    the "double" being done over you??????? I am aware that Stratto is
    having behind the scenes chats with some people, so this may become a
    drinkies sesh to boot! Hoorah! etc etc
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1800CHEFS::PANESLife is a displacement activityTue Apr 02 1996 16:5310
I'm not sure about Reading doing the double over the Nation's Team,
but I for one will be having a bit of a drink before the game.



Stuart


BTW From what I have read , I would have thought you'd be going to
    The Vetchfield for the "Swans" versus Wrexham.
38.1801!CHEFS::CROSSATree, Tree, Tree Hugger!Tue Apr 02 1996 16:571
    Arf!
38.1802Double - Pah! CHEFS::ast138.hhl.dec.com::PATEMANFrom Jerry Garcia to Julie AndrewsTue Apr 02 1996 18:555
I'll be there too but will have the Bro-in-law & Sis-in-law in tow. But I am sure 
I will spot the grape&grain enhanced Panes/Wingnut Axis on the march at 
some point.

Paul
38.1803Oooh, it's so exciting.CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJYou ain't seen me, roight?Wed Apr 03 1996 12:3811
    
    A disasterous series of results last night leaves the Royals brinkering
    on the teet again. We lost (3-1 to 'Uddersfield), whilst Luton, Oldham
    and Sheff Utd all won.
    
    The Blades are almost out of danger but Pompey must now be looking over
    their shoulder. Mind you, all these teams will be safe unless Reading
    can find some form from somewhere other than Keith Gillespie.
    
    Jeff
    
38.1804RDGENG::MORRELLI'm just OUTATIME..... Wed Apr 03 1996 12:5612
    Good ol' Huddersfield... 
    
    It would be a shame to see Reading go down but I really hope that the
    Terriers make it into the Premier League.. they have a good set of
    players and they deserve to do well....
    
    Plus they have an excellent stadium... its excellent... the best one I
    been too.. it even beats the SOTG.
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick. 
38.1805CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback &amp; NastyTue Apr 09 1996 13:4020
    I can say without any shadow of a doubt, the first 45 minutes was the
    worst football I have seen for at least 18 months. Based on that, it
    was easy to see why Reading are (probably) going to be relegated but
    impossible to see how Crystal Palace will (a) get promoted and (b)
    avoid getting twatted every week. The Reading 'Goalkeeper' was abysmal
    and the first goal was a farce, showing a complete lack of
    understanding and confidence in the home team defence. The second 45
    minutes wasn't much better but at least there was a loose semblance of
    goalmouth action. The second Palace goal was always on the cards and I
    can't tell you anything about the sending off as I'd just left the
    ground to go to the pub, which was shut.
    
    The much vaunted drinkies never took place (again) because The Three
    Guineas was shut but a socialable ale was had before the game with Jeff
    'Mad Dog' Kirkpatrick and Tafio 'Sick As A Dog All Weekend' Stretch in
    The Monks Retreat which co-incidentally was just across the road from
    the pub where Mr Panes and his chums were boozing. And that just about
    sums up the day.
    
    Stuart
38.1806CHEFS::CROSSATree, Tree, Tree Hugger!Tue Apr 09 1996 15:5510
    No comment!......oh alright then just a couple of questions......How do
    we go from beating Ipswich away to losing 2-0 (???) to Palace (and look
    like Diadora material on a bad day in the process???)
    
    What was the match like on Saturday? Did you have a good day out,
    Chris? Sorry I did not make it (very sorry in hindsight!) I had a thirty
    pub crawl to attend.
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1807I was sober.CHEFS::LAINSBURYATue Apr 09 1996 15:559
    Maybe I was watching a different game, but the first half Reading did
    alright, and deserved to be leading at the break, other than a stupid
    goal which I wish not to discuss any further.
    Second half was boring tripe, both teams never looked like scoring
    until some bloke in a stupid red and blue shirt rugby tackled Paul
    Holsgrove and squared for that Irish Scotsman to score. No comment on
    the ref.
    
    6 games left starting Away to Barnsley on Sat.
38.1808CHEFS::PANESLife is a displacement activityTue Apr 09 1996 16:2428
                    <<< Note 38.1807 by CHEFS::LAINSBURYA >>>
                               -< I was sober. >-

>    Maybe I was watching a different game, but the first half Reading did
>    alright, and deserved to be leading at the break, other than a stupid
>    goal which I wish not to discuss any further.
 
     If that is Reading "doing alright", then that helps to explain
     their parlous position. Admittedly, I don't feel that Palace's 
     performance, justified them going in one up at half-time.

>    Second half was boring tripe, both teams never looked like scoring
>    until some bloke in a stupid red and blue shirt rugby tackled Paul
>    Holsgrove and squared for that Irish Scotsman to score. No comment on
>    the ref.
  
     "Stupid red and blue shirt " at least we don't play in the Raynes
      Park Queenies, hand-me-downs. The "rugby" tackler was in fact 
      Dougie Freedman who scored the blistering first goal despite
      the super human efforts of the Reading keeper.
  
     I would like to apologise on behalf of Crystal Palace for the 
     sizist taunting of the little porker who played in the half-time shoot 
     out.


     Stuart

38.1809Being a little more objective.CHEFS::CROSSATree, Tree, Tree Hugger!Tue Apr 09 1996 16:2430
    >> -< I was sober. >- <-- Likewise, which made the performance (?) all
    the more unbearable. 
                                                         
    
    Andy, I agree that the first half produced a number of chances for Reading
    which were not converted into goals (uh oh Mr Indecisive from the Fast
    Show alert). Yes, of the two teams during the first half Reading should
    have had something. Overall though I think BOTH teams should have points
    deducted for varying reasons for what was a woeful display of          
    'professional' football  
    Quinn should not come on at the start of a game. He is more useful when
    he comes on for the last 20 minutes or so to shake the opposition up a
    bit. I thought Williams played well up front and put some good crosses
    in, Caskey seemed to fade during the second half, and as usual it was
    Mick Gooding giving it 110%. Shep was complete Sh*te. I know Darius
    played a lunatic header back to him but the defence (and the crowd) as
    a whole seem to have no faith in him. We seem to have two keepers who
    are crap and the other has a lot of 'injuries' or is busy picking up
    his sponsored car (not bad for 6 (?) games!!!
     
    I can be positive about certain details of the game BUT at this
    stage of the season it is the game as a whole I am referring to.
    Reading are in the poo and games like that are not what is needed.     
    Apparently there was a big air clearing prior to the Ipswich game (I
    wonder how that influenced the line up?) and hey presto! we win. What
    happened on Sunday to make the players forget? I do not remember seeing
    them in the pubs I was in!
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1810Abusing small children!?!?!?!?CHEFS::CROSSATree, Tree, Tree Hugger!Tue Apr 09 1996 16:328
    Messrs Panes + Pateman,
       Were you leading the merry dance in the centre of the terrace that
    the Police decided to join in on? How many of your lot got squashed in that?
     
    Oh the chunky keeper was a German kid so he probably did not understand
    the questions about pies, greed and parentage!!! 
    
    			Stretch.
38.1811CHEFS::PANESLife is a displacement activityTue Apr 09 1996 16:4313
        <<< Note 38.1810 by CHEFS::CROSSA "Tree, Tree, Tree Hugger!" >>>
                      -< Abusing small children!?!?!?!? >-

>    Messrs Panes + Pateman,
>       Were you leading the merry dance in the centre of the terrace that
>    the Police decided to join in on? How many of your lot got squashed in that?
     
 
     I avoided the centre of the terrace ( many pints at lunch , necessitated
     easy access to the "toilet facilities ") therefore I was at the side
     near the rather impressive "main stand".

     Stuart
38.1812CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback &amp; NastyTue Apr 09 1996 17:4528
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        <<< Note 38.1810 by CHEFS::CROSSA "Tree, Tree, Tree Hugger!" >>>
                      -< Abusing small children!?!?!?!? >-

>    Messrs Panes + Pateman,
>       Were you leading the merry dance in the centre of the terrace that
>    the Police decided to join in on? How many of your lot got squashed in that?
     
 
>     I avoided the centre of the terrace ( many pints at lunch , necessitated
>     easy access to the "toilet facilities ") therefore I was at the side
			 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      And which part of the ground are you referring to there then?
    
>     near the rather impressive "main stand".
    
      Top place, isn't it. At least the facilities and the division will be
      more in synch with each other next year....
    
      Stuart
    

     Stuart
38.1813Time for a Rant.CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJYou ain't seen me, roight?Tue Apr 09 1996 22:0628
    
    
    I fully expected Reading to lose to Palace because we are, to be
    honest, shite and Palace, I was led to believe, are actually quite
    good. Well, we lost and were generally shite, but as for Palace being
    good...
    
    The Royals may well be on their way down and can't really have any
    complaints - we've been pretty bloody pathetic all season. It is,
    however, somewhat galling to see a team as bad as Palace near the top
    of the table - even Graham Taylor's Wolves were better last season (a
    damning indictment, if ever there was one)! I know "Bertie" is not
    overly fond of the passing game but one or two would have been nice,
    just every now and again. And what about control? I would have thought
    that the ability to control the ball would have been a useful asset -
    mind you, if you're not going to pass it, who cares?
    
    
    Still, Palace won and Reading lost so maybe I'm just whingeing.
    
    
    A.Whinger. 
    
    
    
    
    
      
38.1814RFCCHEFS::ROSECFri Apr 12 1996 15:0635
    
    IPSWICH GAME
    ************
    Stretch - saw your note.  Make no mistake, this was a magnificent
    performance.  EVERY player played well, and if anything the 2-1
    scoreline flattered Ipswich.  Losing Ade for the season hasn't helped.
    
    PALACE GAME
    ***********
    I think the few recent notes have probably more than covered this game.
    
    NOW
    ***
    With Millwall and WBA having good wins during the week, it would appear
    at the moment that 6 teams (49 points or less) are competing for the
    three drop slots.  Luton and Watford will find it difficult, leaving
    probably ourselves, Portsmouth and Oldham to fill the other place.
    Both ourselves and Oldham play one of the games in hand on Portsmouth
    next midweek, so by next Wednesday evening the picture will be that
    much clearer.
    
    SAD
    ***
    A brief note on the subject of facilities (the most over used word in
    Football in the last decade) which has been mentioned in this topic
    recently.
    Take a look at old footage of games from the 50's or 60's.  Few seats,
    buggar all refreshments, mostly terracing, some roofs, and probably not
    state-of-the-arts toilet facilities.  Oh and by the way, TWICE as many
    people paying to watch the games as they do today!!!
    If you really want a comfy armchair, a tartan blanket for your knees,
    waitress service, and en-suite facilities, you're probably watching the
    wrong sport!!!!  
    
    
38.1815CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback &amp; NastyFri Apr 12 1996 15:1215
    >Take a look at old footage of games from the 50's or 60's.  Few seats,
    >buggar all refreshments, mostly terracing, some roofs, and probably
    >not state-of-the-arts toilet facilities.  Oh and by the way, TWICE as
    >many people paying to watch the games as they do today!!!
    >If you really want a comfy armchair, a tartan blanket for your
    >knees, waitress service, and en-suite facilities, you're probably watching
    >the wrong sport!!!!
    
    The problem with that little piece is that people's expectations of
    facilities have risen in the last 30 - 40 years. Unfortunately for
    Reading, the facilities that are on offer at Elm Park can be put to
    shame by a number of non-league grounds. It's time that clubs were
    forced to improve or face immediate demotion!
    
    Stuart
38.1816CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Apr 12 1996 16:0010
    Reading`s ground is crap.
    
    However,seeing that they will have a new stadium next year I can`t see
    the point in putting money into it. Mind you,if they go down,I guess
    the new stadium would be put on hold. How things have changed from just
    a year ago.
    
    Besides,I prefer to call it "full of character"(!)
    
    
38.1817I had to have a tetanus jabCHEFS::PANESLife is a displacement activityFri Apr 12 1996 16:0320
                      <<< Note 38.1814 by CHEFS::ROSEC >>>
                                    -< RFC >-

    
>    SAD
>    ***
>    A brief note on the subject of facilities (the most over used word in
>    Football in the last decade) which has been mentioned in this topic
>    recently.
>    Take a look at old footage of games from the 50's or 60's.  Few seats,
>    buggar all refreshments, mostly terracing, some roofs, and probably not
>    state-of-the-arts toilet facilities.  Oh and by the way, TWICE as many
>    people paying to watch the games as they do today!!!

     In that case why isn't Elm Park sold out every week.

     Stuart 
        
    

38.1818Shouldn't that be full of characters?CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback &amp; NastyFri Apr 12 1996 16:0929
38.1819CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Apr 15 1996 13:495
    Barnsley 0 Reading 1
    
    Amazing result. Dare Reading string 2 wins in a row,or is that asking
    a bit too much??
    
38.1820CHEFS::STRATFORDSGroovy, Laidback &amp; NastyMon Apr 15 1996 13:544
    >Dare Reading string 2 wins in a row,or is that asking a bit too much??
    
    Yep!
	
38.1821Climbed a place - Portsmouth are now in the smelly stuff!CHEFS::CROSSAOnly losers take the bus!Mon Apr 15 1996 14:304
    Careful Mr Cook. Tempting fate an' all that!!
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1822CHEFS::CROSSAOnly losers take the bus!Wed Apr 17 1996 14:2314
    I warned you about tempting fate  Stuart C!! (why so many Stuarts in her?)
    
    Reading lost 4-2 at Watford. Watford have climbed off the bottom of the
    table due to this, and the Port Vale, result. Reading are still in 20th
    position with one game over Portsmouth and one point behind Tranmere.
    We are still very much in the smelly stuff!!
    
    I do not know full details but Watford were 2-0 up at half time. Second
    half and Caskey scored, then Watford put two more in. Jimmy Q got
    Readings second very late in the game.
    
    
    			Stretch.
                                     
38.1823CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Apr 17 1996 16:334
    It`s all my fault!
    
    Letting in 4 goals is a disgrace. 
    
38.1824CHEFS::CROSSAOnly losers take the bus!Wed Apr 17 1996 16:373
    Anyone brave enough to admit they went, and give us a rundown?
    
    			Stretch.
38.1825I am the curse!WOTVAX::CHALFONTWed Apr 17 1996 16:4242
    An extremely depressing result. Watford deservedly won going into the
    game with a lot more passion and urgency than Reading.
    
    Watford dominated the first half taking the lead in the 10th minute
    when Martyn Booty was beaten down the left and from the cross, Devon
    White mishit the ball past a rather flat footed Mikhailov. White was a
    threat all night and Hopkins struggled against a forward who was
    physically much bigger than him. I don't know what other people think
    but I have not been very impressed with Booty, he tends to get caught
    out far too often.
    
    The second goal came after 35 minutes when the referee awarded a
    freekick to Reading outside our 18 yard area and then, to the amazement
    of the Reading fans, changed his mind and awarded it to Watford.
    From the free kick, the ball wasn't cleared and they scored. The
    referee, who was abysmal, then was subjected to a barrage of abuse for
    the rest of the game from a very large Reading contingent.
    
    After the break, Reading got more into the game and pulled one back
    when Booty crossed and Caskey scored with a header. For 10-15 minutes,
    Reading dominated and nearly equalised on a couple of occassions only
    for goal line clearances to deny them. 
    
    In the search for the equaliser, Reading pushed forward and twice were
    left exposed in the last 10 minutes when Watford extended their lead.
    Quinn got a consolation goal in injury time.
    
    Overall a hugely disappointing result and performance. Watford are
    certainly not the worst team in the division and neither are we
    (Portsmouth, Oldham and Luton deserve that accolade) but Reading seem
    destined to leave us all on tenderhooks to the last game of the season.
    
    I have decided to stay away from Saturday's game against Charlton since
    I have come to the conclusion I am a curse on the team. I have attended
    all but five home games this season in the league and yet I have only seen
    them win twice. The five games I have missed they have all won. Even on my
    away trips, I haven't seen them win. So I am probably to blame and hence if
    my absence on Saturday proves the point again by Reading winning, I promise
    not to attend any further matches this season!!
    
    Neil 
                                      
38.1826Yes I have been impressed with Booty also - bit naive toughCHEFS::CROSSAOnly losers take the bus!Wed Apr 17 1996 16:494
    Cheers Neil. For the report, not the curse.
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1827CHEFS::BUSSONGTue Apr 30 1996 14:233
    It's got a bit quite in here recently hasn't it? 
    
    Graham
38.1828XSTACY::JLUNDONhttp://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)Tue Apr 30 1996 15:285
Re -1

Quiet so!

                     James.
38.1829Last home game tonight - Could be a bit of an event!!CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Tue Apr 30 1996 16:1117
    >>Quiet so!
    
    eeeerrrrrr Nice Pun, James!
    
    Akchewelly I did comment on our last game in the Endsleigh Div 1 note
    so I can hold my head up (or down more accurately)!!!
    
    Tonight is the night! Come on down Judas McGoo!! Should be a busy/noisy
    night for a variety of reasons. If we can win this tonight, regardless
    of other results, we stay up. I will suffer the abuse on the morrow if
    we do not win. 
    
    The last thing I want is an awayday to B'ham zoo to put up with the    
    "oh so friendly natives" and have our future in Div 1 rest on the outcome!!
    
    			Stretch.
                                                  
38.1830WOTVAX::CHALFONTTue Apr 30 1996 17:4626
    Yes, tonight is the crunch game. This is Mark McGhee's long awaited
    return to Elm Park finally and I am sure both the players and the crowd 
    will be up for it. 
    
    I had been confident before Watford's phenomenal late run that even if
    we lost our games, Portsmouth would lose theirs and we would survive.
    But even though Portsmouth are still favourite to go down, Watford's
    reassurgence has meant we have to win tonight. Like Andy, I don't want
    it to go to the wire on Sunday.
    
    I didn't write a match report about Saturday's game because a) I didn't
    wish to admit to going yet again and seeing them lose and b) it was so
    dire, it didn't merit a report. Suffice to say, it was another inept
    performance which showed the lack of passion and fight in the side.
    
    This is borne out by a rumour I have heard. My window cleaner is a
    Reading fan who washes Andy Bernal's windows as well. Speaking to him
    last Friday, he told me that none of the players have any respect for
    Quinn or Gooding (unlike McGhee) and that their contracts will definately
    not be renewed at the end of the season (as managers at least).
    Apparently, Neil Webb is the likely replacement!
    
    Neil
    
    PS I am not going tonight! 
                                                    
38.1831not really 'managing'IOSG::TYLDESLEYTue Apr 30 1996 18:3910
    
    >> none of the players have any respect for Quinn or Gooding
    A friend of mine who has just been released from Reading's books is 
    very critical of their performance as 'managers'. They have not
    attempted to do anything to bring on younger players or do much 
    tactical training. They concentrate mainly on the matches themselves.
    I suppose this is what you get when you have two playing managers. As
    the results have worsened, their morale has dropped, and Quinn and 
    Gooding even had a punchup in the dressing room after one recent match.
    DaveT
38.1832!CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Tue Apr 30 1996 18:428
    Neil,
       That explains it then!  I thought you said you were not going on
    Saturday.
    
    Are you *sure* you are not going tonight?
    
    
                  Worried_Stretch.
38.1833CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Tue Apr 30 1996 18:582
    BTW I saw in the Sc*m that Neil Webb is in line for the high profile
    managerial post Torquay!!!!!
38.1834LatestIOSG::LAYNEWed May 01 1996 12:354
    Reading beat Wolves 3-0 last night to ensure they will be playing 1st
    division football next year.
    
    William
38.1835CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed May 01 1996 13:488
    Any reports??
    
    I was stuck in the luverly Dec Park car park and couldn`t make it on
    time. 
    
    3-0 is sweet revenge on Judas "look at my wad" McGhee.
    
    
38.1836Did I *really* see Reading win 3-0 last night!?!?!?!?CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Wed May 01 1996 13:5010
    Hoo-bloody-ray!!!!!!   Excellent game. Top result. Great atmosphere.
    What better team to beat to stay up? Quinns second was a corker!!!
    
    
    Bit busy at the moment but basically very relieved for a number of
    reasons. Sorry that a few gloaters are not going to have the abusefest
    they were looking forward to!!!!! AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! 
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1837I'll have to settle with our promotionCHEFS::BUSSONGWed May 01 1996 14:226
    Well done to Reading for staying up. It means that I will have at least
    one awayday next season and maybe two if Oxford seal the second
    promotion spot. All I want now is for Pompey to stay up so I can see
    Swindon play down there while I am at Uni.
    
    Graham
38.18383-0!!!!!!CHEFS::ROSECWed May 01 1996 16:096
    Last night's results mean that either Millwall or Portsmouth (or both!) 
    will be playing in Division Two next season.
    
    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA....good riddance to both of them.
    
    
38.1839CHEFS::BUSSONGWed May 01 1996 16:203
    So.. you're not a fan of either of them then Chris?
    
    Graham
38.1840RDGENG::MORRELLI'm just OUTATIME..... Wed May 01 1996 16:3914
    >Millwall
    
    	Lets hope its Millwall going down... 
    
    I'd like to see them relegated to the Greater Spencers Wood Sunday
    League Division 5... 
    
    
    
    	But then I'm biased.....
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.1841Rick and I agreeing on something? Nurse! The medication!!!CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Wed May 01 1996 17:179
    Down with the Millwall I say! Bloody animals (and thats just the team!)
    Spanner throwing gits should be in the Beazer Home league at best.
    
    Portsmouth surviving means another local-ish derby game so I would
    rather they stayed up. Southampton coming down would complete the set!
    
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1842No, I didn't go!WOTVAX::CHALFONTWed May 01 1996 17:1818
    Well, I kept my promise and didn't go last night and look what
    happened! The friends I normally go with have decided to ban me from
    going the whole of next season. I don't think so somehow.                                      
    
    It is a relief that we have maintained our Division 1 status but
    overall it has been a hugely disappointing season, especially after
    last season's success.
    
    There definately needs to be some personnel changes. There are quite a
    few of the players out of contract (does anyone know who exactly?). When I
    have more time, I will express my opinions on who and what should change.
    
    At least, I can enjoy the Bank Holiday now and not have to worry about
    the football results.
    
    
    Neil
                                                               
38.1843Safe to go too this one .CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Wed May 01 1996 17:496
    Neil,
    	And you can go to the Birmingham game safe in the knowledge that your
    attendence will not have any bearing on the result!
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1844Take your bell with you !CHEFS::ROSECWed May 01 1996 17:5637
    
    Rumours have been flying consistantly over the last few weeks.  The
    feeling over Quinn/Gooding is divided.
    
    1) re last few.  I hate Portsmouth (dozy bell-ringer and the prat with
       the trumpet...or is it the same person?) and I hate Millwall
       (dirtiest team I have seen this season).
    
    2) From the Chairman of the supporters club last night, I heard..
    
       Quinn to join Bournemouth as player/coach
       Gooding to be kept on as a player
       Steve Wignall to join as a player/coach
       + new manager
    
    3) From the chairman on the radio late last night....
    
       Quinn and Gooding stay as managers
    
    4) From Archie Lovell in the Southbank last night...
    
       "The players don't respect Quinn"
    
    5) From certain players in Utopia very late last night...
    
       "Quinn is not respected but Gooding is OK"
       
       "I will probably not be here next season" - one was Polish and one
        was Bulgarian - BUT dependant on the management situation.
    
    
    Fantastic last night  
    
    
    
    
    
38.1845Splendid night indeed!!!CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Wed May 01 1996 18:2229
    Chris,
   >> 1) re last few.  I hate Portsmouth (dozy bell-ringer and the prat with
   >>        the trumpet...or is it the same person?) and I hate Millwall
   >>        (dirtiest team I have seen this season).
    
    
     The bell ringer + trumpet prat ARE the same tuneless dork! His name is
    somthing like John Portsmouth football club Smith! I rest my case.
    
    Dirtiest team? Gillingham by miles. Bunch of thugs in a football kit!
    There manager got sent off! Says it all really.
    
    
    Who is going/staying - Well once the dust settles I would be surprised
    to see Jimmy Q as manager. I think he should stay but not be allowed to
    play full games. Twenty minutes to shake the opposition up is what he
    seems best at. 
    With regard to the respect issue - If the stories of violence against  
    other players are true, no wonder he has no respect from the team!
    
    
    So Mr Chris " I hang around nightclubs with footballers" Rose - is your
    late note entry due to last nights celebrations, or are you just a
    little busy? 
    
    
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S I take it the translator told you of the Bulgarians plans?  
38.1846"Oh what can it mean, to a ....."CHEFS::ROSECWed May 01 1996 19:1938
    
    Stretch,
    
    The late entry is mostly down to trying to sober up at work this
    morning!  The combination of pre-match and post-match alcohol and the
    superb atmosphere last night (that McGhee song just will not leave my
    head!) have left me feeling a tad short of energy today.
    
    The chap who works with me went down Utopia last night.  The whole RFC
    team were there, basically un-winding!  Being in a drunken stupour
    himself he decided to chat to Bobby, Darius and the Chairman.
    
    Apparently the conversation between a totally drunk Reading fan and a
    getting-drunk Bulgarian goalkeeper was interesting!
    
    I am a Quinn fan (minority I know, but there you go) BUT if he is the
    cause of most of the unrest at RFC then maybe he should go.  Shame
    really, because I would give JQ & MG another go.  We'll have to see.
    
    McGhee did not take the stick at all well (shame)...
    some quotes of his today...
    
    "The reception was a total disgrace"
    "I have done to deserve it"
    "I couldn't care less if Reading go up or down"
    "I would be quite happy to send them down next season"
    
    Typical response from a jerk who is basically out of his league.
    These quotes are all on the Reading Internet, and will be circulated to
    the RFC fanzine and to the Leicester fanzine.  
    
    One other point.  You are probably right about Gillingham.  They are
    even dirtier than Millwall.  That would be a pleasant game next
    season!!!!!!
    
    Chris
    
      
38.1847MFC for Div IICHEFS::PANESGod made me gorgeousWed May 01 1996 19:347
What a difference a year makes. I think even the most blinkered of
Reading fans probably realised that despite the success of last season,
the squad and the ground wasn't up to Premiership standards. Maybe a 
year of consolidation was what was needed.


Stuart
38.1848Top tune indeed! "......fat Scottish b*st*rd, and a ...."CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Wed May 01 1996 19:357
    Chris,
    I cannot believe the naivety of McGhee! His ignorance of peoples
    feeling seems quite impossible. Has he been back to Filbert St
    recently? Out of touch, or what?!?!?!
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.18491 down, 2 to go!CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Wed May 01 1996 19:5413
    Oh my God, I am about to agree (almost) with Mr Panes!!!
    
    I agree that we were never going to scale the heights of last season
    and was expecting mid table position to be a good/achievable thing
    given the management/player issues. To go to the 2nd from last game not
    knowing if we were going to survive was a little too nerve wracking for
    my liking. Consolidation could have been a little smoother IMHO. 
    
    Mind you it was a very tight between both top and bottom for most of the
    season.
    
    
    			Stretch. 
38.1850Sing a new tuneCHEFS::JAMESPWed May 01 1996 19:578
    
    Don't you think its about time the Reading fans dropped the McGhee
    slagging its getting a bit boring.
    
    Lets face it if we were offered better working conditions and more
    money we'd all piss off as well.
    
    Pj
38.1851He gets all he deserves at TWO Endsleigh grounds now!!!CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Wed May 01 1996 20:108
    Pj, 
    Yeah I am going to go at the drop of a hat if offered a better
    contract/pay/whatever. BUT I would make sure I handled myself in an    
    appropriate manner. This idiot has sh*t on the fans not once but TWICE.
    He then has the gall to ask "Why do they greet me like this?"
    
    
                       Stretch.
38.1852There thats betterCHEFS::JAMESPWed May 01 1996 20:4613
    
    Valid point, however I just feel that Reading would be better
    off looking forward to tomorrow rather than keep carping on about
    McGhee.
    
    As for shitting on the fans well I remember those fans slapping Ian
    Branfort on the back one year and slagging him off the next.. did he
    deserve it ????
    
    This is life in football and sadly now in the world at large "its F*ck 
    you little person I'm looking after no 1"
    
    Frank Carson News at Ten   
38.1853And bellowing the " Oh what does it mean..." felt Brilliant!CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Wed May 01 1996 20:596
    And McGhee made some rather disparaging remarks about the Reading
    faithful after the orginal fixture was called off. He does rather bring
    these things upon himself!
    
    
    			Stretch. 
38.1854.....and a s**t football team......CHEFS::ROSECWed May 01 1996 21:0513
    
    The majority of Reading fans DO NOT disagree with the fact that if a
    better offer comes along, then amybe an individual should take it
    (sadly loyalty is not an over-used word in football these days).
    The problem stems from the fact that he made a gentleman's agreement
    with the chairman that he would stay - then changed his mind hours
    later.
    
    It is the way that McGhoo conducts himself ie poorly.  
    
    Anyway, no harm with a bit of light-hearted banter!!!!!
    
    
38.1855Still out celebrating?ZUR01::ASHGGrahame Ash @RLETue May 07 1996 15:573
Nothing happening or happened in Reading then?

g
38.1856CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Tue May 07 1996 16:3510
    g,
    We finished our season on a high note. Away win at St Andrews which was
    made sweeter by the fact that B'ham went ahead on 4 mins with a pen.
    Final score 2-1 to the Royals. This meant we finished above Wolves.
    Which was nice! Actually it just rounds a good football w/e off
    perfectly.
    
    
    
    			Stretch. 
38.1857ZUR01::ASHGGrahame Ash @RLETue May 07 1996 17:076
Thanks, Stretch - not sure what you've done to deserve all this good fortune 
though!

g

ps	Well, done Reading - hoping for better things next year.
38.1858Or are you refering to my Manc allegiences!?!?!?!?CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Tue May 07 1996 17:4318
    g
    >> all this good fortune
    
    It has been a bit more nail biting than I would have liked. 
    
    
    At the start of the season Reading were never going to scale the
    heights they reached last year. At the time I was looking to be happy with a
    midtable place. As this league has been so tight it has not been as
    simple as that, but we finished above Wolves which was a splendid
    bonus.
    
    
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S The p*sser is that next season I am going to be skint (a Dad
    actually) so games are going to be few and far between! I will have to
    choose carefully.
38.1859ZUR01::ASHGGrahame Ash @RLETue May 07 1996 17:585
>    P.S The p*sser is that next season I am going to be skint (a Dad
>    actually) so games are going to be few and far between! I will have to
>    choose carefully.

Yes, it's tough having so many teams to support!
38.1860RDGENG::MORRELLIt's the right time to roll to me...Tue May 07 1996 18:328
    >Yes, it's tough having so many teams to support!
    
    And with him being an arm-chair supporter... you know.. the Sky "ManU"
    subscription is very expensive...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.1861hmmmmmmmm?CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Tue May 07 1996 19:1911
    
    Yeah, yeah, yeah!!!
    
    BTW Rick - When I visited the "Homes Of Football" exhibition at the
    museum this weekend (good pics + free) I spotted a copy of the Carling
    Report on teams/opinions/factets about the Premier League. Of all the
    "National" teams (big, support from all over the U.K) i.e 'Pool,
    Leeds, Utd etc the largest non-local support belongs to .............
    
    LEEDS!!!! So Mr "armchair supporter jibe merchant", what have you to say
    to that?!?!? eh? EH!?!?!                         
38.1862I hope it looks like ClareCHEFS::JAMESPTue May 07 1996 20:507
    
    Stretch,
    
    whilst watching which advert did you manage to add to the worlds
    worries. 8-)
    
    Pj
38.1863And I agree on looking like the mother!CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Tue May 07 1996 21:395
    eeerrrr Amsterdam, Christmas, eeerrrr, It all gets a bit fuzzy after
    that!!!
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1864RDGENG::MORRELLOoooooo.. Vienna....Tue May 07 1996 22:137
    >eeerrrr Amsterdam, Christmas, eeerrrr,
    
    Was it after you celebrated Leeds beating ManU 3-1... ;->>>
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick
38.1865!CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Wed May 08 1996 13:504
    >>RDGENG::MORRELL "Ooooooo.. Vienna...." <---- And you are having a dig
    at me you sad sack!!!
    
    			Stretch.
38.1866RDGENG::MORRELLOoooooo.. Vienna....Wed May 08 1996 13:517
    Nope.... Why...???
    
    You seem a bit touchy Stretch... 
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.1867I assume you read that a little too fast!CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Wed May 08 1996 13:534
38.1868What has Vienna to do with Reading ?VNACO1::HERIBERTWed May 08 1996 14:253
What happens here with my town ??

Heribert 
38.1869Ooooh Vienna is a song my Midge Ure...RDGENG::MORRELLOoooooo.. Vienna....Wed May 08 1996 14:3514
    Heribert,
    
    "Compared to Reading.. Vienna is the out of this world...."
    
    This was from a Viennese friend who was over for the weekend... she
    said that she had never been to a town with so few shops etc. :->
    
    Even Salisbury had more things happening than Reading... 
    
    Anyway.. back to the football.. :->    
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.1870Hmmmmmmmmmm. Or are you a 'Romo' on the quiet????CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Wed May 08 1996 15:332
    >> my Midge Ure... >- <----- Something you are not telling us, Rick?!?!?!?
                                                                   
38.1871Some news.CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Thu May 09 1996 20:1811
    According to the Chronic this week.
    
    Williams and Darius have signed new 2 year deals. Other than that
    there has been no news. 
    
    Gooding is quoted as saying he will stay on the bench next season if
    not required. Well I for one hope this does not occur. He deservedly
    became player of the year for the 3rd season running.
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1872CHEFS::LAINSBURYAFri May 10 1996 15:236
    Stretch,
    
    	Annoying statto alert. Gooding was player of the year for the 3rd
    time, not for the 3rd successive year, I think Shaka won it last year.
    
    Andy.
38.1873CHEFS::CROSSAMay your chickens grow lips!!!Fri May 10 1996 16:087
    Apologies Andy, you take on the mantle of Statto in this conf now Mr
    Stratford has gone. I had somehow forgotten Shaka's award (it all seems
    so long ago!). Yes he did win it last season.
    
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1874Some newzzzzzzzzzzzzz!CHEFS::CROSSAMake mine a double double!!!Fri May 17 1996 14:0714
    Couple of points from last nights local rag:-
    
    Now we have avoided the drop the stadium go ahead is likely to be given
    in the next 2 weeks. The D.O.E had reservations about the impact on town
    trade initially, which was holding the move up. Yeah, Right!!!
    
    Pre season friendlies will see Spurs and West Ham visiting Elm Park.
    Quinn is quoted as saying "Gerry Francis is looking forward to playing us as
    we like to knock it around, like they do"!! Dates are 27/7 and 3/8
    (cannot remeber which is which)
                    
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1875SPURS 03/08.CHEFS::WILSOND1DAVE WILSON @WLCFri May 17 1996 14:421
    
38.1876CHEFS::CROSSAMake mine a double double!!!Thu May 30 1996 15:2722
    More news (if anyone cares) from last nights papers. Lambert has been
    offered a one year deal which he is a little hacked off about, and has
    rejected (and rightly so IMHO). He also mentions differences with
    another player and his personality clash (would not name names) as
    being responsible for the rejection - Jimmy Q's charm school is still
    in full effect then! 
    
    The Post had some headline about "Reading accept loss of star is
    inevitable" (or something similar). I can only assume that this relates
    to Adie Williams. Feyenord (!?!?) are interested (allegedly) along with
    a few other "big" clubs. Anyone got the full story? 
    
    
    Looks like there could be a few holes in the team next season.
    
    
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S Cheers to Bob Wilson for mentiong Bobby on TV last night without
    laughing! Talking about Bulgarias chances on the Euro '96 countdown
    programme he mentions Stoichcov and Lechkov (sps) and thens points out
    "Of course Mihailov is still around as well".
38.1877not a lot moreIOSG::TYLDESLEYThu May 30 1996 16:0911
    The story about Williams didn't say much more really - only that he'd
    been with the club 9 (?) years, and they'd more or less accepted that
    he'd be off soon. Quinn doesn't want him to go to another 1st division
    side, though Wolves are reputed to be interested. they didn't mention
    any Premier sides by name. Feyenoord and another Dutch club are
    interested. His contract expires soon, at which time it said that 'his
    value will plummet' - don't really understand this one. Lastly, Quinn
    said that they might have to accept a fee for him, and compensation for
    each game he plays. (I find this post-Bosman stuff confusing!).
    DaveT
    
38.1878Adie will go freeWOTVAX::CHALFONTThu May 30 1996 18:4925
38.1879should have sold him earlierIOSG::TYLDESLEYThu May 30 1996 19:445
    Ah - I see - so 'his value will plummet' refers to 'his value to
    Reading' - presumably he is no less valuable a player, and he (and
    his agent) could still command a fairly decent salary from any team 
    that took him on?
    DaveT
38.1880IOSG::HARDIEWed Jun 05 1996 14:446
    For those that are interested piccies of the new kit are available at:
    
    	http://www.i-way.co.uk/~pak/kits.html
    
    Neil
    ----
38.1881Not bad - Will the lettering stay on though????CHEFS::CROSSAOpel Manta for sale - Call 7830 2919Wed Jun 05 1996 15:548
    Well! The new home kit has the collar that disappeared for a season
    making a return, and the Swindon coloured away kit has become the
    current Arsenal strip!! Actually they look alright, and I do like the
    new away strip (even though I have the old style one myself). As my
    graphics are poo I cannot make out the finer details on the kit. 
    
    
    			Stretch. 
38.1882IOSG::HARDIEWed Jun 05 1996 17:127
    The finer details that you have missed is that the blue hoops now
    consists of very thin blue and white stripes and the club badge has
    gone back to the old elm trees, with the wording of 100 years at
    Elm Park around the outside.
    
    Neil
    ----
38.1883Cheers for the detail.CHEFS::CROSSAOpel Manta for sale - Call 7830 2919Wed Jun 05 1996 17:216
    >>100 years at Elm Park around the outside.
    
    Well timed, considering the move!
    
    
                   Stretch.
38.1884CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJYou ain't seen me, roight?Wed Jun 05 1996 17:418
    
    re: the move!
    
    You're optimistic, aren't you?
    
    
    j.
    
38.1885But I know what you mean.CHEFS::CROSSAOpel Manta for sale - Call 7830 2919Wed Jun 05 1996 17:588
    Mr Kirkpatrick,
    You miss the irony in my note. My apologies. 
    
    As for the move, I would rather not be leaving Elm Park for a variety
    reasons. 
    
    
    			Stretch. 
38.1886CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Jun 17 1996 16:009
    I was speaking briefly to Mark McGhee in Pangbourne last night. 
    (I was sat outside the Copper Inn hotel,having a drink,and he was 
    walking in with some football cronies. He lives in the next village
    Whitchurch).
    
    Sadly,I wished him luck with Wolves next season instead of singing 
    "he`s fat,he`s round,he`s taking Wolverhampton down".
    
    
38.1887CHEFS::CROSSAOpel Manta for sale - Call 7830 2919Tue Jun 18 1996 14:0357
    Fixtures for 96/97 (Cheers Jeff)
    
    Nationwide Football League - Division One
    Reading FC - Fixtures 1996/97
    
    SAT 17AUG SHEFFIELD UNITED
    WED 21AUG Wycombe Wanderers (CCC1-1) H or A
    SAT 24AUG Ipswich Town
    TUE 27AUG Barnsley
    SAT 31AUG STOKE CITY
    WED 04SEP Wycombe Wanderers (CCC1-2) A or H
    SAT 07SEP OXFORD UNITED
    TUE 10SEP West Bromwich Albion
    SAT 14SEP Charlton Athletic
    WED 18SEP Coca-Cola Cup 2-1
    SAT 21SEP CRYSTAL PALACE
    WED 25SEP Coca-Cola Cup 2-2
    SAT 28SEP Huddersfield Town
    TUE 01OCT BIRMINGHAM CITY
    SAT 05OCT Wolverhampton
    SAT 12OCT GRIMSBY TOWN
    TUE 15OCT MANCHESTER CITY
    SAT 19OCT Oldham Athletic
    SAT 26OCT SWINDON TOWN
    TUE 29OCT Bolton Wanderer
    SAT 02NOV Southend United
    SAT 09NOV TRANMERE ROVERS
    SAT 16NOV Norwich City
    SAT 23NOV QUEENS PARK RANGERS
    SAT 30NOV Swindon Town
    SAT 07DEC PORT VALE
    SAT 14DEC Bradford Cit
    SAT 21DEC PORTSMOUTH
    THU 26DEC WEST BROMWICH ALBION
    SAT 28DEC Oxford United
    WED 01JAN Crystal Palace
    SAT 04JAN FA Cup 3
    SAT 11JAN CHARLTON ATHLETIC
    SAT 18JAN Birmingham City
    SAT 25JAN FA Cup 4
    TUE 28JAN HUDDERSFIELD TOWN
    SAT 01FEB Tranmere Rovers
    SAT 08FEB BOLTON WANDERERS
    SAT 15FEB Queens Park Rangers (FAC5)
    SAT 22FEB SOUTHEND UNITED
    SAT 01MAR Port Vale
    TUE 04MAR NORWICH CITY
    SAT 08MAR Portsmouth (FAC6)
    SAT 15MAR BRADFORD CITY
    SAT 22MAR IPSWICH TOWN
    SAT 29MAR Sheffield United
    MON 31MAR BARNSLEY
    SAT 05APR Stoke City
    SAT 12APR WOLVERHAMPTON
    SAT 19APR Grimsby Town
    SAT 26APR OLDHAM ATHLETIC
    SUN 04MAY Manchester City
38.1888What news?WOTVAX::CHALFONTWed Jun 19 1996 17:2619
    Any news form the club re player's signing new contracts? The latest I
    have heard is that Parky is on the verge of signing a new deal, Jeff
    Hopkins is unhappy at only being offered a one year contract and that
    West Ham are still interested in Adie.
    
    What news of Bobby Mihailov? Rumour had it that he wanted out but
    considering the form he has shown in Euro 96, Reading should be trying
    to keep him. Also his english is obviously improving greatly, as
    evidenced by his television interview.
    
    Looking at the fixture list for next season, it is not an easy start or
    finish to the season. Sheffield Utd and Man City are likely to be two
    of the better teams in the division next season. There are also plenty
    of local games next year with the promotion of Swindon and Oxford and
    the relegation of QPR.
    
    
    Neil
        
38.1889CHEFS::CROSSAOpel Manta for sale - Call 7830 2919Wed Jun 19 1996 17:5823
    Neil,
    
    Lambert and Williams have not signed contracts. Quinn is quoted as
    saying he wants players "who will sweat blood for Reading" and if not he
    "will bring players in who will" Where is that queue of players then, Jimmy?
    Also where is the queue for Adies services? 
    Losing Lambert would be a bit of a p*sser as he seemed to finish the
    season well with a couple of good goals.
    
    Most players have been offered short contracts and want longer, or the
    other way around, Basically it is all still up in the air. I just wish
    they would sort the managemant situation out as Quinn seems to be
    rubbing players up the wrong way (when he is not motivating them with
    a smack in the mouth!)
    
    Bobby seems like a different man in his national shirt although he
    still seems to favour the palming away tactic instead of catching a
    few. Someone in this conference is hoping another club becomes
    interested in him due to his performances and Reading can then sell
    him.
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1890Cheerio Adie?CHEFS::ROSECSun Jun 30 1996 16:5220
    It would appear as if Adie Williams has got his way, and will join
    Wolves for around 800k-1m.  Two ways of looking at this, one is that he
    is our captain, regular international, and probably has many good years
    ahead of him.  On the other hand, missed MOST of last season with
    varying injuries, wants to better himself (Wolves???) and 1m pounds is
    probably a realistic value.
    As a replacement (although I would use McPherson and Thorpe) Reading
    are looking at Barry Hunter from Wrexham - 6 foot 4 ins 27 year-old.
    
    Despite some alternative opinions, the loss of Lambert is great news
    for RFC.  He is a walking disaster that spreads ill-feeling throughout
    the club.  Most/All of the youth term have been told to avoid him as he
    is a bad influence.
    Wonder why clubs like Blackburn and Monace dropped him like a sask of
    spuds after a short spell with each.  He was quoted last week as saying
    "I'll probably train with Reading but won't be there at the start of
    the season" - that's the spirit Jamie!
    
    Chris
    
38.1891Time for change?WOTVAX::CHALFONTThu Jul 04 1996 17:4945
38.1892Time for some Prozac!CHEFS::CROSSANever trust a hippy!Thu Jul 04 1996 18:5325
    Neil,
    
    Sorry to compound your depression but I agree with just about all of
    comments 100%. How could Adie go for so little!!! Unbelievable. 
    
    With regard to the management scenario. I reckon a "manager" proper    
    should be brought in. Having two players (one of whom does not seem to
    be helping things) acting as managers means there is no objective view
    to the team and it's strategy. This is going to be the biggest
    stumbling block in setting up a settled side to build on for the
    future. 
    
    I reckon Booty and Lambert have the potential as long as Quinn does not 
    batter it out of them (literally), and people coming through the youth
    squad should be signed up on long contracts now. 
    Caskey needs to get his finger out before he descends to the quality
    the squad is currently operating at, although the pitch did little to
    help them last season. 
    
    
    Christ I see what you mean about depressing yourself as you write this
    stuff!!  I'm off to shoot meself.
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1893Pile up that miseryCHEFS::BUSSONGThu Jul 04 1996 19:304
    And to compaound your misery, rumour Swindon side has Paul Bodin about
    to join the Royals on a free!!
    
    Graham
38.1894No fee, no problem ?CHEFS::ROSECTue Jul 09 1996 18:1814
    RE -1
    
    Graham,
    
    Please elaborate - I can't see a problem here!
    
    If he is rubbish, so what, Reading have got him on a free.
    
    If he is any good (he was voted best left back in Division Two last
    season), Reading have got him on a free.
    
    Difficult to see how RFC can lose on this one.
    
    
38.1895there is no such thing as a free lunchFORTY2::JONESNeilTue Jul 09 1996 18:384
    
    What about wages?
    
    Neil
38.1896RE MR P BODINCHEFS::BUSSONGTue Jul 09 1996 19:0920
    re -2
    
    Chris,
    
    The reason that we Swindon fans (and there are a few around this area)
    are happy to see the back of P Bodin esq is that he was the weak link
    in the defense last year. He, as you will find out, is slow, reluctant
    in the tackle and continually out of position when attacked. I have
    seen moderately fast wingers beat him when he has had a 3 yard head
    start. Why did he play so much last year? Well, Jason Drysdale was
    injured for a lot of the season and the young lad we signed from
    Everton, Alex Smith was too inexperienced although he looked good when
    he got his chance. I'm afraid to say that Paul is past his prime. The
    one part of his game that we will miss were his goals. 
    
    As to how he won the best left back award I don't know. The only thing
    I can think of is that all the right wingers in the league felt sorry
    for him and voted for him.
    
    Graham
38.1897Another taff centre back.CHEFS::LAINSBURYATue Jul 09 1996 19:408
    Saw on Ceefax that Wrexham were after somebody or other because Barry
    Hunter has signed for Reading.
    
    True ? How much for ?
    
    I still think we will rally this year and get a top ten finish.
    
    Blinkered of Reading.
38.1898Evening Post should have details.CHEFS::CROSSAI'm a safe surfer, darlingTue Jul 09 1996 19:5512
    Off IRN.....
    
         First division Reading have completed the signings of international 
         defenders Paul Bodin and Barry Hunter. 
          
         Bodin, the 31-year-old Welsh left-back makes the short trip from 
         Swindon on a free transfer. 
          
         Northern Ireland central defender Hunter joins for 400,000 pounds 
         from Wrexham. 
    
         
38.1899CHEFS::ROSECTue Jul 09 1996 20:4614
    RE -2 or -3 whatever...
    
    Wages.  Reading have paid wages for the past two years to messers
    Thorpe, Murphy, Bass and Carey - probably with less than 10 appearances
    between them in total!!  Man City have paid wages to Paul Lake for the
    past 4 and a half years during which he has played 1 game !!!!
    
    As for right-wingers voting for him because they feel sorry for him, I
    don't think so.
    
    With the ridiculous transfer fees around at the moment, I think that 2
    years at about 45k a year is nothing.  
    
    
38.1900Go get TV !!!!!CHEFS::JAMESPWed Jul 10 1996 13:288
    
    Noticed on Ceefax last night that Phil Holder (Reading's Coach)
    has left, indicating "The long Journey from Croydon" as the problem.
    
    Right stop Terry from going to Portsmouth, resell him the Granby Tavern
    and get him in.... 8-)
    
    Pj
38.1901CHEFS::UKFURNITUREMon Jul 15 1996 14:507
    'It's not unusual' for players to get free transfers to non-league
    sides and Tom Jones is no exception, he's going to the 'Green Green
    Grass' of Woking.
    
    dickie.
    
    Writing for the Midweek Chronicle.
38.1902CHEFS::ROSECMon Jul 22 1996 12:1118
    Friendly results from Saturday.
    
    Camberley  1   Reading  2
    
    Abingdon   2   Reading  4
    
    I notice that Adie Williams (Wolves new recruit) will be sidelined for
    a minimum of six weeks after picking up an injury.  He will miss a
    minimum of six games.  Why do I find this totally usual?  Probably
    because he missed an astonishing FORTY-ONE league games over the last
    two seasons.
    
    Reading have a element of the tranfer fee set aside for when he plays
    his 60th game for Wolves.  I wouldn't spend this money just yet!
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1903Are you going on Saturday for West Ham?CHEFS::CROSSAIt's getting better all the timeMon Jul 22 1996 13:178
    Did you go too either game Chris? 
    
    
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S The S*n (bastion of fact) had Adie out for six *months* with
    cruciate ligament damage picked up on the Wolves pre-season friendlies
    in Oz, Tony Daley also did his ligaments.
38.1904CHEFS::ROSECMon Jul 22 1996 14:0622
    Stretch,
    
    Unfortunately family commitments meant that I was unable to go to
    either game.  I've actually got conflicting reports about the score of
    the game against Abingdon.  I've been given 4-1,4-2 and 5-2, and all
    these three were there! - I think the pre-match session in the local
    pubs may have something to do with this.
    
    I will probably go to Windsor on Wednesday to watch a 'Reading XI', and
    then I'll go to the WHU and THFC games.
    
    The reports on Williams do differ, but either way it's hilarious.
    
    There was a great spoof article on Williams on the RFC Internet, mostly
    about the loss of revenue to Utopia!  I've forwarded a copy of this to
    the WBA fanzine editor (they hate Wolves more than we do), and I am
    informed that this article will be in the first WBA fanzine of the
    season.
    
    Chris
                                             
     
38.1905website location?WOTVAX::CHALFONTMon Jul 22 1996 15:5810
    Chris,
    
    What is the RFC web site location?
    
    My information is that Reading won 5-2 and, according to the Telegraph,
    Williams will be out for at least 6 months.
    
    Is there any news about any transfers? It has been very quiet of late.
    
    Neil
38.1906CHEFS::ROSECMon Jul 22 1996 17:5021
    Neil,
    
    I'll find out the RFC web and let you know later.
    
    I'm sure the EP will reveal the true score v Abingdon, although 5-2
    appears to be correct.  The injury to Willaims was initally reported as
    resulting in a six-week layoff, but it appears that the severity of it
    may require a six month resting period.  Shame that!
    
    It would appear that the transfer of the above mentioned AW, and the
    new signings of Bodin and Hunter, is the extent of RFC's transfer
    dealings.  There may be one new face (a forward) before the first
    league game.
    
    I am informed that the long-awaited start of the new ground is imminent
    - apparently work is due to start in August.  We'll have to  wait and
    see.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1907CHEFS::CROSSAIt's getting better all the timeMon Jul 22 1996 18:3710
    >>I am informed that the long-awaited start of the new ground is
    >>imminent - apparently work is due to start in August.  We'll have to 
    >>wait and see.
    
    
    Depends on the performance this season I suppose, given the fact
    it all went quiet last season.
    
    
                      Stretch.
38.1908Web pagesIOSG::HARDIEMon Jul 22 1996 21:1415
    The RFC Web page 'Hob Nob Anyone' is at:
    
    	http://www.i-way.co.uk/~readingfc/
    
    An alternative is:
    
    	http://www.dur.ac.uk/~d3g7w6/reading.html
    
    Neil
    ----
    
    Neil
    ----    	
    
    
38.1909Alessandro Del PieroXSTACY::PHAYDENTue Jul 23 1996 13:491
There's a lot of it about
38.19105,700 turnout including West Ham fans in the Reading end!!!CHEFS::CROSSAIt's getting better all the timeMon Jul 29 1996 14:1917
    Reading 1 - West Ham 2
    
    Fair play to West Ham for bringing most of the first team with them for
    this friendly. Dicks, Slater, Miklosko, Dumitrescu etc etc
    
    Not too much excitement from either team (Hughes got West Hams second
    with a screaming shot) with both sides taking it a little easy, even
    Dicks only got asked to calm it down once!. Basically Reading could
    have taken a pasting if West Ham had put their minds too it - nice to
    be back watching football again though! 
    
    Next Saturday we have Tottenham at home and I hope the first team showing is
    as strong as the Hammers was.
    
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1911RDGENG::MORRELLNow, the parties over.... and I'm so tired...Mon Jul 29 1996 14:228
    
    	Have Reading done anything with the pitch since the end of last
    season... cos it was in a really bad state when ManU etc visited...
    Eric could have tripped and broken his neck... or something...
    
    	Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.1912Actually it looked rather lush!CHEFS::CROSSAIt's getting better all the timeMon Jul 29 1996 14:356
    And what *exactly* were you doing there?!?!? And why the interest in
    grass, oh Sheepy one?!?!?
    
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.1913RDGENG::MORRELLNow, the parties over.... and I'm so tired...Thu Aug 01 1996 15:538
38.1914CHEFS::CROSSAIt's getting better all the timeThu Aug 01 1996 15:597
38.1915familiar roar as you leave the groundIOSG::TYLDESLEYMon Aug 05 1996 15:4913
    Since no-one else has entered result - Reading lost 1-0 to a strong
    Spurs side on Saturday at Elm Park. Some players (e.g.Archie Lovell) 
    still looked a bit unfit after the summer, but it was quite a good game
    considering the heat. Spurs fielded a strong side (Armstrong, Howells,
    Walker, Sherringham, Mabbutt (bit overweight?), Campbell, etc.) but no
    Anderton. As always in these friendlies, though, mass substitutions
    started in the second half, so it was difficult to see it as a real
    match. For Reading, I thought Darren Caskie looked quite good against his 
    old side, and Quinn looked sharper and fitter after a layoff. Spurs
    fans seemed a bit quiet. Attendance 8000 +. I left 5 minutes before the 
    end to avoid the traffic, so missed the only goal and I don't know the 
    scorer.
    DaveT 
38.1916Not as good as the West Ham game IMHOCHEFS::CROSSAHere's 10pMon Aug 05 1996 17:1224
    Dave,
    
    I saw the ball going in but was so busy shouting at the linesman I
    could not see who scored either - basically it was offside and in the
    88th minute it was a bit of a sucker punch! 
    Some of the Spurs finishing was woeful (thank God) and I was beginning
    to wonder if Sherigham + Armstrong had a bet on as to who could blast
    the ball the furthest out of the ground (Teddy won easily)
    
    
    I agree about not being able to get an impression of what the team will
    look like next season. Glad to see Mikey Goooding running around like
    it still means something too him! Where was Martin Williams though?
    Hunter did a good job on Armstrong for most of the game - looks a bit
    strange with those telescopic legs (no wonder he has broken both of
    them 'cos they are skinnier than mine!) and Bodin was solid if a little
    slow. Who was Bernal having handbags at five paces with?                   
    			
    
    			Stretch.    			                        
    
       
    PS Why did Mabbutt (you fat b*stard) kick Meaker up in the air? He had
    only been on 2 minutes so he had not had enough time to p*ss him off.
38.1917WOTVAX::CHALFONTMon Aug 05 1996 21:4733
    Personally I thought Reading played well on Saturday and didn't deserve
    to lose. On the evidence of this game and the previous match against
    West Ham, I would certainly put my money on West Ham to have a better
    season than Spurs.
    
    Reading played well and certainly seemed to be passing the ball about
    with a lot more confidence and purpose than they did throughout the
    whole of last season. Caskey seems more influential (although he was
    obviously up for the game against his old club) and Phil Parkinson had
    a good game too. However, my man of the match for both games has been
    Paul Bodin. He looks very good going forward and allows Gilkes to move
    further forward (rather like the times when Dylan Kerr looked a player
    for the future in the Championship season). When we signed him, a
    Swindon fan in this conference commisserated with us, but he looks a good
    signing to me. 
    
    Barry Hunter has been less impressive, although he is excellent in the
    air and didn't lose anything to Sheringham or Armstrong. However, he
    certainly doesn't have the poise or confidence of Adie with the ball at
    his feet.
    
    The other player to impress so far has been Andy Bernal. He had a great
    game against West Ham and is now a very solid and dependable player. 
    
    My two concerns are at right back - neither Jeff Hopkins nor Martin
    Booty fill me with confidence - and at centre forward. We need a younger
    Jimmy Quinn i.e someone who provides our attack with some height and
    will score 20+ goals a season. Playing Archie and Lee Nogan together is
    not the answer. If we are to make another signing, a centre forward is
    a must.
    
    
    Neil
38.1918Couldn't score in the Turtle..CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJAs confused as NigelMon Aug 05 1996 22:4620
    
    Re. Playing Archie and Nogs together.
    
    This is the right combination if they get the right service as they did
    at the end of the 94/95 season. What tended to happen last season (and,
    by the looks of it, will still happen this season) is that we'll work
    the ball out wide, about half way into the opposition half and then
    knock in a long cross - neither Lovell or Nogan are going to score many
    goals that way.
    
    The problem is that we lack the players to open up defences. Gilkes no
    longer has the pace, Meaker doesn't have the ability and Caskey doesn't
    have an eye for the perceptive pass that Osborn did. The result is that
    all our players are marked we "hit and hope".
    
    I too thought Reading played well on Saturday but in both games we've
    lacked penetration - scoring goals will again be our problem this season.
    
    Jeff
    
38.1919Match "facts"CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJDo you feel licky, punk?Tue Aug 13 1996 18:1310
    
    Just in case anyone's interested, the Royals beat an all-star Fulham XI
    2-1 at Craven Cottage last Friday night, with Archie scoring both
    goals.
    
    There is no truth in the rumour that Reading are about to sign George
    Weah.
    
    j.
    
38.1920A good startWOTVAX::CHALFONTMon Aug 19 1996 12:3036
    Reading 1 Sheffield Utd 0
    (Quinn 82)
    
    Not a great game but a good result. Much of the game gave you the sense
    of deja vu from last season, although the defence does look more secure
    even without Adie. Barry Hunter and Paul Bodin both had very good
    games, Martyn Booty had his best game for Reading and Darius and Andy
    Bernal were as reliable and solid as ever.
    
    The first half was pretty dull and uneventful with little goal mouth
    incident. The second half started more positively but it wasn't until the
    80th minute when Andy Bernal was sent off that things got exciting.
    Bernal was rightly sent off for scything down Andy Walker in a 1 on 1
    situation with Mihailov. Down to 10 men, Reading then produced the best
    move of the match and Paul Bodin produced a superb cross from the left
    for Jimmy to head in from 3 yards.
    
    Ten minutes before this Reading had substituted Archie Lovell for Lee
    Nogan much to the crowds disgust. Archie had had a good game unlike
    Jimmy who wanders around and contributes little. Having said that, he
    is always likely to score goals and once again he proved this. Whatever
    you think about his overall game, he rarely misses any goal scoring
    opportunities that come his way.
    
    Personally I would have expected more from Sheffield. On paper, they
    have a strong team but apart from the last ten minutes when they did
    hit Reading's bar, they hardly created anything. 
    
    I anticipate there will be many games like this this season. The
    majority of the teams in the division are on a par (as was the case
    last season  and hence the relatively small points difference between
    the top and bottom of the division). Personally I believe Wolves will
    be the team to beat - they have the best manager!
    
    Neil
                         
38.1921WOTVAX::CHALFONTWed Aug 21 1996 12:3025
    Reading 1   Wycombe 1
    (Quinn)     (Williams)
    
    A game Reading dominated and should have won convincingly. Reading
    played very well for 60 minutes totally controlling the game with lots
    of possession as a result of good passing. However, few chances were
    created for all the possession and those that were Reading then failed
    to hit the target. Lovell and Quinn being guilty of missing the best
    chances.
    
    The deadlock was broken after 60 minutes when Quinn headed in from a
    corner, although it took a deflection. At that point is was no more
    than Reading deserved but shortly afterwards Dariusz made a silly
    mistake stepping on the ball on the half way line and losing
    possession. This gave their forward a clear run and goal and he duly
    dispatched it with a great finish. After that Reading lost their way and
    the slick passing game fell away.
    
    Overall a disappointing result because Reading could and should have
    beaten a poor Wycombe side convincingly. The passing game is back to
    its best but we are just not incisive up front. A forward must still
    be on the shopping list.
    
    Neil
                                                                
38.1922CHEFS::UKFURNITUREWed Aug 21 1996 12:443
    Yes, the jam shops of Wycombe will be left empty-shelved today.
    
    dickie.
38.19230-3CHEFS::ROSECThu Aug 29 1996 12:2525
    
    A 0-3 reverse at Barnsley last night (who now top Div one) hot on the
    heels of a 2-5 defeat at Ipswich.  On Saturday it's Stoke (the only
    other team in Div 1 with a 100% record).
    
    Bernal walked early AGAIN last night - so he can expect a lengthy ban.
    
    With the new FIFA ruling that you have to have THREE instead of TWO
    players on International duty to call a game off, means that any club
    outside the Prem that usually have 2 players called up have a problem.
    
    Mihaylov and Hunter will miss Saturday's game, as will Bernal with his
    first suspension.
    
    Listening to the whole game last night it sounded as if Hopkins was
    found wanting for pace for one of Barnsley's goals.  In addition, both
    Lovell and Gilkes appear to be out of favour as neither were even on
    the bench.  
    
    Having set a record of using 7 different goalkeepers last season, we
    have now managed to use 3 in three league games this season.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1924Here we go again..CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJDo you feel licky, punk?Mon Sep 02 1996 21:4832
    
    re last
    
    >    Listening to the whole game last night it sounded as if Hopkins was
    >    found wanting for pace for one of Barnsley's goals.  
    
    
    Surely not?!? Must be some mistake!
    
    Saturday's game:
    
    			Reading 2	Stoke 2
    
    			Morley (pen)	Sheron
    			Holgrove	Another Stoke player
    
    
    Good game, not a great result from the Royal's point of view since we
    drew far too many games last season. Quality defending for the second
    Stoke goal: "Go on mate you have a shot, go on....oh, you have.....oh,
    it's gone in". Nice reply from Holsgrove; can anyone in here tell me
    why the crowd don't like him? I know he's crap but he's no worse than
    most of the rest.
    
    Still, we could still make the play-offs....
    
    j.
    
    
    
    
    
38.1925CHEFS::16.42.144.104::CompleteHatstandBurger, Large fries &amp; a Sprite pleaseTue Sep 03 1996 18:4417
38.1926Whoopy-dooCHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJDo you feel licky, punk?Wed Sep 04 1996 11:568
    
    	Wycombe 2 Reading 0
    
    Free to concentrate on the league, then.
    
    
    j.
    
38.1927WOTVAX::CHALFONTFri Sep 06 1996 17:5718
    I haven't had an opportunity to comment on the week's games up to now.
    
    Personally I thought Reading played very well against Stoke and
    probably deserved to win over 90 minutes. Having lost several key
    players - Hunter, Mikhailov and Bernal - the omens were not good.
    However, Paul Holsgrove had an excellent game in defence and IMO this
    is his best position. Caskey was not missed having been dropped and
    rumour is that he is now unhappy at Reading. However, he has done
    nothing since arriving at Elm Park and is certainly not a replacement
    for Super Si. 
    
    There is not a lot to say about Tuesday game. Wycombe are not a good
    side but caught Reading slacking twice in defence and we duly paid the
    price. Again Holsgrove had a good game.
    
    Home to Oxford on Sunday - a win is becoming essential.
    
    Neil 
38.1928CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJDo you feel licky, punk?Mon Sep 09 1996 12:3411
    
    
    		Reading 2  Oxford 0
    		
    		Williams
    		Morley
    
    Comfortable win - Oxford were dire. Leapt up to eighth in the table.
    
    
    j. 
38.19292-0WOTVAX::CHALFONTMon Sep 09 1996 12:4337
    Reading 2  Oxford 0
    Williams
    Morley
    
    A thoroughly deserved win that really should have been by a far greater
    margin. Reading had the vast majority of the possession but yet again
    failed to convert it into goal scoring opportunities.
    
    Reading opened the scoring after about 15 minutes when from a corner,
    the ball was cleared to Martin Williams on the edge of the box and as
    everyone pushed out, he deftly lobbed the ball into the top left hand
    corner - an excellent goal. Infact Williams had an excellent first half
    and is certainly playing very well this season. Having said that he
    faded badly in the second half, although he was responsible for one
    goal line clearance.
    
    The second goal came with about 10 minutes left. It came from a good
    move down the left and another superb cross from Paul Bodin, which
    Morley headed in. Bodin really has been a superb acquisition. He is
    solid in defence and good going forward but his greatest asset is his
    crossing. Gilkes and Bodin, linking with Micky Gooding down the left,
    are Reading's greatest threat at present. Gilkesy outpaced the Oxford
    defence all afternoon and it is only his lack of confidence in front of
    goal which prevents him making the most of the opportunities he creates
    - one glaring miss yesterday being a prime example.
    
    For all this, the best player on the pitch was Dariusz. He is the most
    talented footballer Reading have had in years. He is so calm in defence
    and some of his vision and passing is exceptional. 
    
    West Brom on Tuesday and Charlton on Saturday, both away. 4 points
    would be a nice return.
    
    Neil
    
    
                                                               
38.1930CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Sep 09 1996 13:546
    I too was impressed with the Reading peformance yesterday.
    
    It`s good to see a long last a player (Bodin) who can cross the ball
    accurately. Gilkes would be a top class player if only he could score
    as well as he can out run defences. 
    
38.1931last night's matchCHEFS::ROSECWed Sep 11 1996 12:4928
    WBA 3  Reading 2
    
    A dissapointing result last night, particularly as Reading controlled
    large chunks of the game.  A Morley penalty was converted in the fourth
    minute, and then Hunt got a hat-trick.  WBA's first shot at goal was
    there first goal (in the 32nd minute).
    
    Parky pulled a goal back 15 minutes from time, and Reading piled on the
    pressure but WBA's goalie played excellently.
    
    Gilkes, Bibbo and Hopkins were missing from the side that beat Oxford. 
    They were replaced by Caskey, Brown (on loan again) and Hammond (first
    game since January).
    
    On the radio this morning, Gooding said that some players (not
    necessarily those that played last night) had hearts the size of peas!!
    Don't know if he was referring to Bobby but once again he avoided the
    game through injury.
    
    Nogan and Wdowczyk were taken off injured last night, Bernal starts a
    two-match ban from today, Hunter is unlikely to be back for another two
    weeks, Booty is still a month away from returning, the first and second
    choice keepers are now injured, and we slipped to tenth in the table.
    Other than that, everything's fine.
    
    Chris
    
    
38.1932Oh Joy!CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJDo you feel licky, punk?Fri Sep 13 1996 12:2013
    
    
    Dariusz Wdowczyk has put in a transfer request, apparently vowing never
    to play for Reading again. It appears that old Quinn charm is working
    again....
    
    
    Er, I don't know about anybody else, but I'm not very happy about this!
    The club is in real danger of tearing itself apart. 
    
    
    j.
    
38.1933Not good news!CHEFS::CROSSANuns! Reverse! Reverse! Fri Sep 13 1996 19:061
    How to win friends and influence people (NOT) - J.Quinn.
38.1934Confused of BerkshireCHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJDo you feel licky, punk?Mon Sep 16 1996 12:3122
38.1935CHEFS::UKFURNITUREMon Sep 16 1996 12:477
38.1936ManU fans will love Sky....RDGENG::MORRELLStrange things are afoot at the Circle-KMon Sep 16 1996 13:0417
38.1937CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Sep 16 1996 13:418
38.1938Quinn MUST goWOTVAX::CHALFONTMon Sep 16 1996 16:3237
38.1939not a good 'manager'IOSG::TYLDESLEYMon Sep 16 1996 17:5722
38.1940I was there!CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJDo you feel licky, punk?Mon Sep 23 1996 13:0439
38.1941bad dayCHEFS::ROSECMon Sep 23 1996 20:1916
38.1942No compensation, see?CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJDo you feel licky, punk?Tue Sep 24 1996 12:339
38.1943CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Sep 27 1996 14:375
38.1944African or EuropeanCHEFS::16.42.144.194::MadYou'd do it for Randolf ScottFri Sep 27 1996 19:026
38.1945bits and piecesCHEFS::ROSECWed Oct 02 1996 16:2428
38.1946Cheer up Mark McGhee..CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJDo you feel licky, punk?Mon Oct 07 1996 12:1327
38.1947CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Oct 07 1996 16:326
38.1948CHEFS::UKFURNITUREMon Oct 14 1996 17:533
38.1949As good as any other I suppose - this has done the rounds alreadyCHEFS::CROSSADrop The Drunk DonkeyMon Oct 14 1996 17:561
38.1950CHEFS::UKFURNITUREMon Oct 14 1996 18:061
38.1951CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJDo you feel licky, punk?Tue Oct 15 1996 12:3419
38.1952Reading 2 Man City 0WOTVAX::CHALFONTWed Oct 16 1996 12:3951
38.1953CHEFS::UKFURNITUREWed Oct 16 1996 12:554
38.1954kinkladze needs a kickIRNBRU::GIBBONSThu Oct 17 1996 16:5817
38.1955CHEFS::UKFURNITUREMon Oct 28 1996 16:128
38.1956Bolton away on Tuesday - Should be a result to get 1 point from that.CHEFS::CROSSADrop The Drunk DonkeyMon Oct 28 1996 16:2119
38.1957Lambert?IOSG::TYLDESLEYMon Oct 28 1996 16:484
38.1958I hope he has signed.CHEFS::CROSSADrop The Drunk DonkeyTue Oct 29 1996 16:488
38.1959No messages, a bad omenGYMAC::SUPPORT_PWThu Oct 31 1996 16:379
38.1960lostIOSG::TYLDESLEYThu Oct 31 1996 16:413
38.1961CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri Nov 01 1996 15:297
38.1962Shrimped!CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJD'you want some?Mon Nov 04 1996 11:2826
38.1963New StadiumCHEFS::16.42.144.41::MadYou'd do it for Randolf ScottFri Nov 15 1996 14:276
38.1964let me be your fantasyCHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Nov 25 1996 15:057
38.1965Sign Tommy Wright now!WOTVAX::CHALFONTMon Nov 25 1996 15:3744
38.1966Battle of the SuperHoops.CHEFS::CROSSAGive the Antichrist a cigarette.Mon Nov 25 1996 16:4324
38.1967Bizarre substitutionsWOTVAX::CHALFONTWed Nov 27 1996 11:2910
38.1968CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Nov 27 1996 12:3916
38.1969Perhaps I should have brought the baby after all.CHEFS::CROSSAAs Bob is my witless!Wed Nov 27 1996 13:0825
38.1970IRNBRU::HOWARDShower me with sugar lumpsWed Nov 27 1996 13:367
38.1971sad, very sad...IRNBRU::61549::SpikeYes it does, dosen't it?Wed Nov 27 1996 17:1910
38.1972boring wednesday afternoonCOMICS::HAWLEYI668 - the neighbour of the beast!Wed Nov 27 1996 20:159
38.1973That's betterWOTVAX::CHALFONTWed Dec 04 1996 11:2936
38.1974CHEFS::CROSSAAs Bob is my witless!Wed Dec 04 1996 16:2828
38.1975CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJD'you want some?Tue Dec 10 1996 13:296
38.1976on local news last nightCOMICS::HAWLEYI668 - the neighbour of the beast!Tue Dec 10 1996 13:434
38.1977IOSG::jonpc1.reo.dec.com::alffa::buttonJon Button@REOTue Dec 10 1996 13:437
38.1978An updateWOTVAX::CHALFONTMon Jan 06 1997 15:3265
38.1979"Gobby Git gets off Scot free!" CHEFS::CROSSAAs Bob is my witless!Tue Jan 07 1997 15:5513
38.1980Now you see me...CHEFS::JAMESPTue Jan 07 1997 17:319
38.1981CHEFS::CROSSAAs Bob is my witless!Fri Jan 10 1997 13:506
38.1982RDGENG::MORRELLIf it makes you happy... then why are you so sad?Fri Jan 10 1997 14:018
38.1983And get rid of the Sheryl Crow lyric!!!!CHEFS::CROSSAAs Bob is my witless!Fri Jan 10 1997 15:269
38.1984But why?!RDGENG::MORRELLIf it makes you happy... then why are you so sad?Fri Jan 10 1997 16:055
38.1985It depends.45862::CHALFONTFri Jan 10 1997 16:1913
38.1986CHEFS::CROSSAAs Bob is my witless!Fri Jan 10 1997 17:4516
38.1987RDGENG::MORRELLIf it makes you happy... then why are you so sad?Fri Jan 10 1997 18:313
38.1988Chickens and hatching scenarios!CHEFS::CROSSAAs Bob is my witless!Fri Jan 10 1997 18:5710
38.1989Reading 2 Charlton 2CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Jan 13 1997 13:197
38.1990Not one but two!45862::CHALFONTMon Jan 13 1997 15:1335
38.1991Dylan Who?VYGER::ALEXANDERMMARK ALEXANDERMon Jan 13 1997 17:519
38.1992Dylan's OK45862::CHALFONTTue Jan 14 1997 11:5721
38.1993REOELF::EDWARDSSTue Jan 14 1997 12:455
38.1994Ooo Aah Dylan KerrVYGER::ALEXANDERMMARK ALEXANDERTue Jan 14 1997 12:4915
38.1995REOELF::EDWARDSSTue Jan 14 1997 13:247
38.1996dennis Butler was betterCHEFS::JAMESPTue Jan 14 1997 18:325
38.1997REOELF::EDWARDSSTue Jan 14 1997 19:377
38.1998King of ComedyCHEFS::ASHLEYSMITHligament deficientTue Jan 14 1997 19:566
38.1999wan-kerr ?PATE::POUNDERTue Jan 14 1997 20:468
38.2000Doh !PATE::POUNDERTue Jan 14 1997 20:5323
38.2001Stop that sort of behaviour, and leave Mr Kerr alone yer bast!CHEFS::CROSSAAs Bob is my witless!Tue Jan 14 1997 20:5510
38.2002Morning after regrets !PATE::POUNDERTue Jan 14 1997 23:035
38.2003ticket?IOSG::HARDIEWed Jan 15 1997 13:0710
38.2004CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitWed Jan 22 1997 13:478
38.2005REOELF::EDWARDSSThu Jan 23 1997 12:329
38.2006Are you Mr Absolom in disguise?CHEFS::CROSSAAs Bob is my witless!Thu Jan 23 1997 13:0914
38.2007REOELF::EDWARDSSThu Jan 23 1997 14:0412
38.2008Pompey 3 Reading 0CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Jan 27 1997 13:504
    Any match report on the disgraceful result from Saturday??
    
    Er,any punch-ups after the game??
    
38.2009You're not singing any more.CHEFS::WILLIAMSAI wanna be LukeMon Jan 27 1997 15:2860
38.2010Why did Quinn stare at the Div. One table?CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJD'you want some?Mon Jan 27 1997 16:4316
    
    re .2009
    
    > Hahahahahaha.
    
    Cobblers! We never wanted to be in the cup anyway.
    
    
    re. Abbo.
    
    Spotted you a mile off, matey-boy. All that gubbins about South Reading
    and having a QPR-supporting brother... What are you doing back here
    then?
    
    Jeff
    
38.2011RDGENG::MORRELLMon Jan 27 1997 16:587
    Don't worry Jeff... Leeds will sort out Pompey in the 5th round. 
    
    They haven't got a chance....
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.2012You only got this far 'cos of a lucky penalty save!!!CHEFS::CROSSAAs Bob is my witless!Mon Jan 27 1997 18:039
    >>They haven't got a chance....
    
    Sums up your chances against the Arse rather well, Rick! You took two
    attempts to beat the Div 1 opposition so how are you going to fair
    against Premier title contenders? Badly methinks!!!
    
    
    
    				Stretch.
38.2013Can we this ref every week?CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJD'you want some?Wed Jan 29 1997 11:4424
    
    
    		Reading 4	Huddersfield 1
    
    		Morley		A. Yorkshireman
    		MacPherson
    		Hunter
    	     	Lovell
    
    For those who bottled it after Saturday's inept display, tough tits,
    because they undoubtedly missed the Royals biggest win of the season.
    A strange game, with Huddersfield taking an early lead, only to be 3-1
    down at half-time to a dodgy penalty and two goals from centre-halves!
    In the first half, the ref seemed to be ridiculously biased towards
    Reading; a number of scenarios occur:
    
    1) The Ref was intimidated by the "Elm Park Roar".
    2) The Ref was intimidated by Jimmy Quinn.
    3) The Ref collected a large brown envelope from the Chairman's office
       after the game.
    
    Take your pick..
    
    j.  
38.2014IRNBRU::HOWARDShower me with sugar lumpsWed Jan 29 1997 11:475
    .2013
    
    Scenario 4)  He was a twat
    
    Ray....
38.2015Worrying times.....CHEFS::CROSSAIt ain't loud enough, punk!Fri Jan 31 1997 13:2515
    Apparently Ray Harford has joined in a "consultancy" role to help out
    with training. The move is not going to be permanent. 
    
    More worrying still is word that Mick 'n' Jim have approached Madjeski
    for new managerial contracts, and the words from JM were "They have done a
    great job. I have been really pleased with the performances" (This is
    not word for word but basically covers the key points).  I assume
    this was straight after the Huddersfield game 'cos I cannot see any
    other reason for those kind of statements given the end of last season,
    and the way all of this one has gone" 
    
    
    
    			
    				Stretch.
38.2016Gooding bought me a beer last week !!!CHEFS::JAMESPFri Jan 31 1997 17:1115
    
    Re -1
    
    Ok they hav'nt hit the heights of two season's ago but to keep a team
    in the 1st Division on peanuts is'nt too bad a job.
    
    Are'nt they tied by the cost of the new stadium thus any expenditure on
    any new players is going to be sweet fany adams.
    
    As with the Premier the 1st Division is now split between the have's and
    have not's.. ie QPr 2.5m for Spencer.
    
    Frank Carson News at Ten
    Now doubt they've made mistakes but my feeling is that its Madjeski who
    really needs to put his hands up.... 
38.2017Quinns lost to many players through his *training* techniques.CHEFS::CROSSAIt ain't loud enough, punk!Fri Jan 31 1997 17:3311
    Paul,
    
    I thought the funding for the stadium was going to be paid for by the
    retail outlets, or at least, the bulk of it. 
    
    As for Madge putting his hand up, I couldn't agree more - we could have 
    Tommy Wright in the team if he had coughed up the 100K asking price.
    
    
    
    			Stretch.
38.2018Where's your commitment, Jimmy?WOTVAX::CHALFONTTue Feb 04 1997 15:2020
    A couple of improved results. The defeat of Huddersfield was
    particularly emphatic and really could have been by a wider margin
    against the poorest defence I have seen in a long while.
    
    By all accounts the away performance at Tranmere was also a much better
    display but then performances away from home can hardly get worse.
    
    Yet again these results have come just at the right time for the
    management. Just when the pressure is building again, Reading play like
    we know they can and produce an excellent performance. However, Quinn
    has again demonstrated his commitment by indicating that he would be
    interested in the West Brom vacancy. Why would he want to leave one
    struggling D1 team for another and why say so publically? Does he want
    to manage a team on his own because if it came to a choice between
    Gooding and Quinn, I know which one I would want to stay.
    
    Tough test on Saturday at home to Bolton.
    
    Neil  
    
38.2019We're now as good as ChesterfieldCHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJD'you want some?Mon Feb 10 1997 12:0531
    
    
    		Reading 3	Bolton 2
    
    		Morley 3 	Thompson
    		       (1 pen)  McGinlay
    
    
    Truly a game of two halves, Brian. No score at half-time but with the
    league leaders comfortable and in control of the game. At the start of
    the second half, Reading's bewigged enigma (an anagram for Bulgarian
    Tosser), makes a brave save and then not so bravely decides he's had
    enough of this. Quinn takes over the gloves, stopping only to punch
    Mikaylov on the way; called into action immediately, he flattens our
    complete Bodin of a left back (anagram for Welsh tosser); general
    laughter all round.
    
    Both sides then decide that some goals might enliven proceedings.
    Morley scores a corker for the Royals, only for the defence to allow
    Thompson run fifty yards and shoot into the corner. A couple of minutes
    later, Meaker ploughs through three tackles and then leaps gracefully
    into the box; Morely thumps home the spot-kick. Straight from the
    kick-off, Bolton give the ball away; Booty, who ought to be up there in
    the stand with Grobbelar and the rest after this performance, passes it
    to McGinlay who slots it past Quinn. A few minutes later, however,
    Hunter wins the ball in the air and Morley does the rest. Reading hang
    on grimly for the rest of the game.
    
    Not much more to be said really.....
    
    j.
38.2020RDGENG::MORRELLMon Feb 10 1997 12:125
    Was the match a complete sell out?
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.2021good dayyeeeeeCHEFS::JAMESPTue Feb 18 1997 13:4713
    
    
    According to the paper Reading are about to complete the on loan
    signing of West Ham's Australian reserve team keeper Steve Mautone (?)
    
    He's played some 5 games for the "Ammers" this season and has impressed
    Quinn... ( mind you his signings have hardly set the world alight).
    
    Should keep Mr Bernal happy with long chats about sheep, surf boards,
    little Kylie etc...
    
    Pj
                                                                    
38.2022HmmmmmmmmCHEFS::16.37.8.250::PaulUp the WolvesMon Feb 24 1997 14:109
Read in the paper yesterday about Jimmy Quinn's after match comments.

"On this form there's no better striker in the division than Trevor Morley"

Nothing like getting carried away is there ?

:~)

Paul
38.2023REOELF::EDWARDSSMon Feb 24 1997 14:357
    It also says that bringing Billy Bonzo in could be a career move
    similiar to Gerald Ratners `we sell crap' statement.
    
    Odds are that he will impress Madjeski sufficiently for him to bring in
    him lock-stock-n-barrel.
    
    Tony
38.2024WOTVAX::CHALFONTMon Feb 24 1997 16:2048
    Reading 3     Southend 2
    
    McPherson     Boere (2)
    Gilkes
    Morley
    
    A 6 pointer which Reading really should have won by a much greater
    margin. Southend were generally poor as was Reading's defending at times
    which is why the scoreline was as close as it was.
    
    Reading could and should have been 2 up within the first 10 minutes -
    Lovell missing a chance which was easier to score than miss in the
    first minute and Gilkes hitting a thunderous volley against the
    crossbar. Had these gone in it could have been an avalanche but in the
    end Reading struggled to take the lead. It eventually came after 35
    minutes when a freekick from the edge of the box was headed in by Keith
    McPherson via the underside of the bar. 
    
    However, Southend equalised through Boere soon after the break when
    sloppy defending left him unmarked from a cross. The lead was regained
    when Gilkes raced clear from a Morley through ball (although Morley
    looked yards offside when he received the ball but this made up for
    some awful offside decisions in the first half). Gilkes deserved this
    goal (his first of the season) as he has been playing extremely well of
    late but finishing poorly. 
    
    Southend equalised again as a result of sloppy marking when Boere was
    left unmarked on the edge of the box and he shot into the corner
    through a crowded area giving Mautone no chance.
    
    The winning goal was scored by Morley after a wicked cross from Gilkes
    (who gave their no 2 an afternoon he will want to forget - talk about
    being made to look slow) which Morley dispatched at the far post from 6
    yards.
    
    The third high scoring home win in a row. Defensive lapses could prove
    very costly if they don't start improving in this area. However, the
    team are playing with much more confidence and certainly Meaker and
    Caskey are beginning to show their true form. 
    
    Nine points clear of the relegation zone now but some hard away
    fixtures still to come starting with Crystal Palace tomorrow night. A
    draw will suffice. Also only nine points off the playoffs - there's
    optimism for you!
    
    Neil
     
    
38.2025Arse!CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJD'you want some?Wed Feb 26 1997 11:3113
    
    		Crystal Palace vs Reading 
    
    		Postponed - waterlogged pitch!
    
    I'm getting a wee bit narked off with this - that's twice in less than
    a week that I've gone up to the 'smoke' only for the game to be called
    off. Haven't these clubs heard of drainage?!?!
    
    If anyone's thinking of going to Spurs vs Forest on Saturday, don't
    bother - I've got a ticket so it's bound to be called off.
    
    j. 
38.2026Sodd(en) PitchCHEFS::PATEMANCelebreties to the HebridesWed Feb 26 1997 12:2617
    We left our place (10 mins drive from Selhurst) at around 6.40, stopped
    at the Chippy, got to the ground at 6.55, noticed lack of people, heard
    Capital Gold say the game was off, and then heard Jonathan Pearce say
    the game had been called off half an hour before kick off - he was
    confused on times last night as at one point he said it was called off
    at 7.15 when the real time was only 7.05!
    
    Either way, there was a huge downpour from around 3.30 to 5.00 which
    presumably coincided with the pitch being uncovered for preparation.
    With the crap state of the pitch following too many games, freezing
    over Xmas/New Year, no sun at the Homesdale End, I was unsurprised it
    ended up being off.
    
    Hopefully a match in April on a baked mud flat will not harm our
    passing game ;->
    
    Paul
38.2027An objective review of last nights valuable win.CHEFS::CROSSAIt ain't loud enough, punk!Wed Mar 05 1997 16:3878
    Off the "Hobnob Anyone" home page....
    
    
    Reading continued their recent run of good results by grabbing another
    full 3 points at home to move up to 16th in the table. For once the
    Royals enjoyed a bit of the luck with Eadie missing chances worth at
    least a hattrick for Norwich, and the winner an own goal coming with
    just a few minutes left. 
    
    Perhaps the strangest thing was Quinn starting his first full game for
    ages. He'd obviously forgotten was it was like and thought he'd just
    check out if he was up to scoring still or not. Couldn't fault him for that.
    But this wasn't be to 'Golden Boots's game with Trevor Morley far
    outshadowing him with a spectacular opening goal. Morley fired in his
    21st goal, of what must be one of his most prolific seasons ever, with
    the game just 20 minutes old. 
    
    I don't think we'd actually had any chances or shots on target and as
    Meaker legged it down the right it didn't look like this was going to  
    produce one. Meaker beat his man well and played a cross at around
    chest height just inside the Norwich area. Morley, just right of
    centre, looked like he might bring it down and turn and shoot: but
    instead  flung himself into the air with an overhead kick lashing the
    ball into the back of the net. Oh, yes. Not one of his usual efforts
    that one. A fantastic goal to put the Royals 1-0 up.
    
    Norwich drew level about 5 minutes later. The Norwich forward broke
    into the area but seemed to play the ball too far in front of him.
    Mautone came off his line to intercept and stretched himself out in front of
    the advancing player. As the ball bounced out of play harmlessly the
    Norwich player flung himself over Mautones body for a penalty. Perhaps
    a little unfair but Mautone's mistake. The ball was drilled into the
    bottom left corner. 1-1. 
    
    Reading's next best chance of the half fell to Jimmy Quinn who found
    himself just a little too close to the Norwich keeper. As he came off
    his line to close the angle Quinn shot low and wide to the left. Meaker
    continued to create problems for City down the right wing but his
    crosses never looked dangerous enough. Reading started to play it
    around well but looked unlikely to beat a very solid Norwich defence.
    
    It was probably Norwich who should have gone in ahead at the break
    after Eadie at last broke the Reading offside trap and fired the ball  
    against the post with just Mautone to beat. 1-1 at half time. 
    
    For the majority of the first half Reading looked very solid themselves
    at the back with Hunter providing some confident tackles and Hunter and 
    Macca winning everything in the air at the back. However it
    started to look slightly shakey as the second half progressed. The
    offside trap was beaten too often and Bodin, otherwise having a great
    game, failed to pick up the winger. With Eadie showing his pace yet
    again, Norwich should have taken the lead as he broke through but fired
    to the right of Mauton and into the side netting. A Norwich free kick
    on the left almost created a goal. As the ball was centered,
    Mautone was excellently positioned to tip the resulting strike over the
    bar to keep it level. 
    
    Although CIty could have finished the game off it remained pretty
    level, and a Gilkes effort could have turned the game the other way.   
    Gooding ran through the middle with suprising ease and played the ball
    right to left to Gilkes. Gilkes turned his marker, sped free, and shot
    to the keepers left but unfortunately wide. 
    
    Quinn was replaced by Williams, and later Parkinson made a welcome
    return to first team action at Elm Park - coming on for Paul Bodin. As 
    Reading pushed for the winner Morley almost got a penalty when
    a long ball over the top saw Morley collide with the City keeper just
    inside the area. Mautone continued making some solid saves before
    Reading finally grabbed the winner. 
    
    Williams pushed off his marker down the right wing, cut inside the box
    and, looking like he might shoot himself, crossed to the youth-like
    Gilksey advancing at top speed at the far post. Adams, the City
    defender with Gilksey right behind him, had no choice but to stop it
    getting to Gilkes. He stuck his foot out to meet the cross and the ball 
    flew into the roof of the net to give the Royals the full three points. 
    
    
38.2028oFF hOBNOB aNYONE?CHEFS::CROSSAIt ain't loud enough, punk!Thu Mar 06 1997 15:1327
    Mihaylov Goes Home To Bulgaria
    
    6 Mar 97
    Well, we had all been expecting it for quite some time. After continued
    speculation about Bobby Mihaylov's future at Reading, throughout the
    season, Hob Nob Anyone? can reveal that he has now left the country.
    Bobby, the current Bulgarian keeper, was injured after a clash in the second
    half of the home win against Bolton. He was ruled out for the rest of
    the season, although some would doubt the severity of the injury.
    Mihaylov's contract has now been terminated by mutual agreement and his 
    Reading career is over. Time to sign Mautone perhaps? 
    
    
    
    My thought on the above...
    
    I don't think Mautone wants to leave the Hammers given the age of the
    keepers in front of him (Miklosko + Sealy!!) - he should be getting
    regular games fairly soon. West Ham probably don't want to risk losing
    the cover he offers for the same reasons. Could be worth an offer
    though as he has been very good from the few games I've seen him play
    in.
    
    RE: Bobby - Good riddance! If he played half as well for Reading as
    he did for his country we would not have seen the fans opinion turn
    as it has. Bit of an embarrasment in the end considering he is "world
    class".
38.2029Bye Bye BobbyCHEFS::JAMESPThu Mar 06 1997 15:4319
    
    Stretch,
    
    I think your right neither of West Ham's keepers are getting any younger
    so the lad will proberbly hang around picking up League experience.
    
    The trouble is the money Reading seem to want to spend is peanuts and
    as you know its a key position... 
    
    My thought is they should go for a older keeper for the experience ie
    Big Neville ( he seems to be on his way) or someone like Paul Heald  at
    Wimbledon who is a capable keeper but is'nt going to displace Sullivan.
    
    How far away is Hammond from making a comeback....???.
    
    Pj
    
    P.S If the're really stuck I'll dig me old gloves out play  !!!
              
38.2030CHEFS::CROSSAIt ain't loud enough, punk!Thu Mar 06 1997 15:5614
    Re: Hammond
    
    Clare has seen him a few times recently practicing at the local park,
    so I assume his neck is just building up the strength. Not sure how long
    Bibbo is crocked for either. Bottom line -  we are in the poo when it comes
    to keepers!!! (we can't rely on Jimmy Q to keep filling in!)
    
    
    Anyway, as a keeper, would you want to go between the the posts at Elm
    Park? It seems like we have a curse on them.
    
                        
    			
    				Stretch.
38.2031all think positivelyCOMICS::HAWLEYI668 - the neighbour of the beast!Thu Mar 06 1997 16:155
re: curse

surely Mr Geller should be able to sort that out for you?

Ian.
38.2032C'est impossible!CHEFS::CROSSAIt ain't loud enough, punk!Thu Mar 06 1997 16:188
    Ian,
    
    Sometimes I wonder if's got something to do with him!!
    
    
    
    
                          Stretch.
38.2033The Double!CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJCrushed by a DwarfThu Mar 13 1997 12:4812
    
    
    		QPR 0		READING 2
    
    				Morley 
    				Maddix (og)
    
    Second away win of the season, Morley's 22nd goal, Karl Ready sent off,
    big punch-up, I missed it. Where's Ray Howard?
    
    
    Jeff
38.2034ho,hoCHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitThu Mar 13 1997 15:453
    I`ll be looking forward to another day out at the Twin Towers in the
    play-offs at this rate.	
    
38.2035IRNBRU::61549::SpikeWelcome to the Rimmer ExperienceThu Mar 13 1997 16:016
>>    big punch-up, I missed it. Where's Ray Howard?

Dublin. He's gone back over for Paddies day. So you can say what you want
because he won't be back until next week.

Rgds, Steve
38.2036IRNBRU::HOWARDShower me with sugar lumpsThu Mar 13 1997 17:468
    I'm not gone yet, I'll be on the 6.30 plane (pub 7.30)....
    
    I've given up on QPR reaching the playoffs this season, we're
    (relatively) safe from relegation, so I don't really mind letting one
    of the smaller sides in the Nationwide league beating us at home....
    
    yours in drink,   Father Jack Hackett
                     
38.2037And as Father Jack would say..............."Arse!"CHEFS::CROSSAIt ain't loud enough, punk!Thu Mar 13 1997 18:0812
    There's graciousness in defeat for you!
    
    
    
    
    Have a blast back home, Ray.
    
    
    
    
    				Stretch.
    		
38.2038The Bonds effect??CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJCrushed by a DwarfMon Mar 24 1997 11:5119
    
    		Reading 1	Ipswich 0
    
    		Lovell
    
    
    Archie's sole contribution was to score the winner in injury time which
    is somewhat more than Quinn has managed in the last few games. (In
    fact, Quinn "managing" anything is a bit of an oxymoron.) This rather
    drab game livened up after Sedgley missed a penalty, awarded when
    Gilkes handled rushing back to defend after Reading tried to play
    offside from a throw-in!! Copies of the rule book all round methinks.
    In fact, I'm probably being a bit charitable here - the real reason was
    that none of them could actually be arsed to follow the runner.
    
    Last week's game against Bradford was so poor that it was not worth
    mentioning (oh, I just have).
    
    j. 
38.2039Play up Pompey!VYGER::ALEXANDERMMARK ALEXANDERThu Mar 27 1997 13:093
    No match report from the Pompey game???????
    
    Mark.
38.2040CHEFS::CROSSAIt ain't loud enough, punk!Thu Mar 27 1997 13:258
    >>No match report from the Pompey game???????
    
    Strangely enough it's in the Pompey string!
    
    
    
    
                         Stretch.
38.2041Humblest ApologiesVYGER::ALEXANDERMMARK ALEXANDERThu Mar 27 1997 13:385
    "Strangely enough it's in the Pompey string!"
    
    Sorry Stretch, didnt realise there was such a thing!
    
    Mark.
38.2042CHEFS::CROSSAIt ain't loud enough, punk!Thu Mar 27 1997 13:462
    PS - Any more of this "Play up Pompey" nonsense and we'll have to take
    Dylan back!
38.2043Chimes are a ringing.CHEFS::WILLIAMSAI wanna be LukeThu Mar 27 1997 14:008
    Re -1.
    
    > Any more of this "Play up Pompey" nonsense 
    					^^^^^^^^
    
    Shirley you jest? Nonsense? Noooooooooo.
    
    Alen.
38.2044VYGER::ALEXANDERMMARK ALEXANDERThu Mar 27 1997 14:1215
    Stretch
    
    I thought the Reading Note was looking a bit dead, so I thought I would
    try and offend you into response...and I succesfull!
    
    When you mention Dylan, who ever decided he was a defender must have
    been taking some mind bending drugs.  His touch and passing are really
    good, but he gets pulled out of the left back position really easily
    and his tackling is pants.  I am also still waiting for him to score
    with a spectacular free kick.  In fact I am still waiting for him to
    score full stop.  He nearly scored againt Motherwell a couple of weeks
    back, but after a mazy run through the defence he managed to clear the
    stand behind the goal.
    
    Mark.
38.2045Gilkes will cross the ball ..ooopppsssCHEFS::JAMESPThu Mar 27 1997 17:539
38.2046IOSG::TYLDESLEYFri Mar 28 1997 11:033
38.2047Park ScratchingsCHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJCrushed by a DwarfWed Apr 02 1997 12:4816
38.2048CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitMon Apr 07 1997 16:117
    I read in the Times John Madjeski is the UK`s 90th richest man,with 
    200 million. It also says work has now started on the new football/pop
    concert/conference rooms/shops stadium type thing - and that Madjeski
    will be pushing for promotion to the Premier league when it`s built.
    
    Come in Mick and Jimmy - your time is up.
    
38.2049Elm Park HoodooCHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJLuck with a capital FMon Apr 14 1997 21:4734
    
    
    		Reading 2 	Wolves 1
    
    		Lovell (2)	Atkins
    
    
    
    Well, what can you say apart from ha, bloody, ha, ha!?! McGhee's
    inability to keep his gob shut last season resulted in a bumper crowd
    on Saturday and further ritual humiliation for the Fat Boy. And he was
    at it again, both during and after the game - so, same time next season
    then?
    
    As for the match, this was nearly a game of three halves. The first was
    dull and scrappy, the second was tense and exciting and the "third"
    (after Atkins nicked a goal for the Wanderers) was downright
    ridiculous. Or sublime, if you happen to support Reading. As the agme
    stretched on beyond 90 minutes, Blatherwick, by this stage reduced to
    walking pace after carrying an injury for most of the game, went up
    front and got a flick-on to a long ball; the flick ran to Archie, who
    thumped it home. By my watch there was still another seven minutes to
    play (even though it was now nearly 4:50pm!); on and on it went until,
    just before five, the ball fell to Archie in the area again. Wolves
    kindly allowed him two attempts, the second of which he dispatched
    beyond Stowell. Pandemonium! Wolves kicked off and the final whistle
    went.
    
    As players, managers, coaches etc left the pitch, Kevin Dillon
    apparently said to Mike Hickman: "See you next season then". McGhee was
    not amused. I was.
    
    Jeff
     
38.2050Wet fishCHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJLuck with a capital FMon Apr 21 1997 22:099
    
    
    		Grimsby 2	Reading 0
    
    
    
    Play-off hopes dashed for another year............
    
    j.
38.2051ho,hoCHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitTue Apr 22 1997 17:034
    We`ll be going for Premiership status next year,what with the new 
    ground being built.
    
    
38.2052We wait with interestCHEFS::JAMESPTue Apr 22 1997 18:428
    
    
    Re 2051
    
    Nearly note of the year..... But who'll be leading them next year...
    Billy B ????
    
    Pj
38.2053Too big a gulf.CHEFS::WILLIAMSAI wanna be LukeTue Apr 22 1997 18:548
    Re -2
    
    Could you really see Reading surviving in the Premiership even if they
    did manage to scrape in???
    
    And before you ask NO, I couldn't see Pompey surviving there either!
    
    Alen.
38.2054I made the last bit up (honest).CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJLuck with a capital FWed Apr 23 1997 12:3510
    
    Rather amusingly, someone at Elm Park decided to alter the fax sent to
    all clubs listing players available on a free transfer; together with
    Jeff Hopkins they added the names J. Quinn and M. Gooding.
    
    Not surprisingly, the joint managers were not happy; not because of the
    fax but beacuse no club came in for them!
    
    j.
    
38.2055Sad Reading - Where was Moreley?CHEFS::PATEMANCelebreties to the HebridesThu Apr 24 1997 12:4315
    Pretty sorry show by Reading's fans last night - around 200 of them I
    guess. Pretty sorry show by the team too - Palace could/should have
    been 4 or 5 up at half time and at least equalled the 6 at Elm Park
    overall. But ---- we let Reading score two break away goals (one by
    ex-Eagle Bodin - how many more of them are there!!!! None at Swindon &
    P Vale anyway) and had to bite our nails for 5 minutes.
    
    Still - back in the Play Off spots and a win against Vale on the last
    day will guarantee a Play Off place (I think) and then its all to play
    for.
    
    We even had a female streaker last night! Well - not that streaky, she
    was wearing bikini bottoms and two strategic rosettes!
    
    Paul 
38.2056Just wondering....CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJLuck with a capital FThu Apr 24 1997 17:3312
    
    Re. sorry show by Reading's fans.
    
    There may have been a good few who, like myself, attended the original
    fixture (which was postponed) and who could not afford to go second
    time around. There is also a large amount of apathy - the Royals have
    nothing left to play for.
    
    Incidentally, if Palace finish sixth this season but still get
    promotion, will you be complaining about the play-offs?
    
    Jeff
38.2057Great Things Play Offs! (If you're not 3rd!)CHEFS::PATEMANCelebreties to the HebridesThu Apr 24 1997 17:4710
    Oooooh - bitch!
    
    Never look a gift horse and all that! Actually - I am pretty anti play
    offs but one takes the chances that come. If we go up from 5th or 6th
    so be it - we were third last year and got beaten by a shinned goal in
    the last minute of extra time. We also went down when we were 4th from
    bottom in the "reduce the Prem to 20" year so I wouldn't feel too
    upset.
    
    Paul
38.2058Or not, indeed.CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJLuck with a capital FTue Apr 29 1997 22:1627
    
    
    
    		Reading 2	Oldham 0
    
    		Roache
    		Lovell
    
    
    Last home game of the season - queue sun, crowds, entertainment and a
    pitch invasion. Apart from the weather, the gate, the quality of the
    football and the reticence of the fans, we got all that and less, as an
    end of season kickabout ensued. Strange, really, considering Oldham
    desperately needed the points - perhaps they really want to play
    Millwall next season.
    
    Ken Barlow's love-child scored the first on his full debut and Archie
    bagged the second after half the Oldham team left before the fans. In
    between, Andy Ritchie, not looking a day over "long-since-dead", struck
    quite the worst penalty seen in modern times - watched in slow motion,
    it takes longer than Branagh's version of "Hamlet".
    
    On to Maine Road for the final act in a triumphant campaign. Or
    soemthing like that....
    
    j.
    
38.2059Another one bites the dust !!CHEFS::JAMESPFri May 09 1997 12:387
    
    
    Billy "Bonzo" Bonds has gone to manage millwall.
    
    How many coaches in one season, must be on par with the goalkeepers?
    
    Pj
38.2060Anyone got any info?CHEFS::CROSSAPunks jump up to get beat downFri May 09 1997 12:4310
    Reading has become a coaching and goalkeepers staging post methinks!
    
    BTW What was in the Evening Post last night RE Mick N Jims jobs? The
    hoarding I saw implied there was a change from the previously reported 
    2 year contracts they were to be offered.
    
    
    
    
   			Stretch.
38.2061And then there was noneCHEFS::JAMESPFri May 09 1997 13:416
    
    
    Meridian news said this morning that there contracts were not being
    renewed..... however I don't know all the facts
    
    Pj
38.2062FarewellCHEFS::JAMESPFri May 09 1997 13:477
    
    
    Radio 210 have just said that Quinn and Gooding have got the old tin
    tack....
    
    
    Who now  ?????
38.2063Butch ??CHEFS::16.37.8.213::Madyou poor mis-guided foolsFri May 09 1997 14:199
Rumours are rife

It's Ray 'BUTCH' Wilkins.........




8-)
Mad
38.2064?!?!MKTCRV::MANNERINGSFri May 09 1997 14:405
    Mad,
    
    the word here is they are going to give you the job :-)
    
    ..Kevin..
38.2065CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitFri May 09 1997 14:526
    Are the people in charge stupid or what?? They should have got rid
    of Quinn and Gooding a couple of months ago and got Billy Bonds in.
    If it wasn`t for Bonzo`s coaching and influence,I doubt Reading would 
    have stayed up.
    
    
38.2066I wouldn't drop the money....CHEFS::16.37.8.213::Madyou poor mis-guided foolsFri May 09 1997 17:2412
ref 2064

Well, I don't think so. being mere gurning simpleton does not always qualify me 
for a management role in footy.

 Mind you, there have been a few others............





Mad
38.2067How about Mark McGhee?CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJLuck with a capital FMon May 12 1997 22:1019
    
    Obit.
    
    Quinn and Gooding have indeed left Elm Park after "failing to agree
    terms" with the chairman. Or perhaps "failing to agree anything" with
    the rest of the playing staff would be more accurate.
    
    As players, both contributed greatly to the most successful spell in
    Reading's history; as managers, after initial success, the club seemed
    to become mired in rumours of unrest and discontent amongst the
    players. Quinn seemed to be the focal point for this bad feeling -
    something to do with his habit of twatting people who don't agree with
    him, maybe? A change of manager should therefore be a positive step
    forward.
    
    Not too keen on Wilkins meself - don't think he's quite got the
    gravitas.
              
    j. 
38.2068RDGENG::MORRELLSlip Away....Tue May 13 1997 13:175
    I've heard rumours that Brian McClair might be interested in the job.
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
38.2069eeeeeehhhDPPSYS::BARRIETue May 13 1997 14:046
    
    Not another ex Celt
    
    How about Tommy Burns, I hear he's looking for a job :-)
    
    Liam.
38.2070Cloggers!CHEFS::KIRKPATRICKJLuck with a capital FThu May 29 1997 16:357
    
    Any news on the managerial front? I'm stuck in Nijmegen this week and
    the local Dutch press strangely shows very little interest in Reading
    FC.
    
    j.
    
38.2071Have you sent your CV in yet?CHEFS::CROSSAPunks jump up to get beat downThu May 29 1997 17:5013
    Busy then?!?!?
    
    Lee has been denied permission to talk to the club - by those bastions
    (sp) of honour McGhee + Hayward, other than that I could be in Thailand 
    and still be no wiser! 
    
    
    
    				Stretch.
    
    PS - You may wish to pop down to Eindhoven as they are talking about a
    link up with Leeds. Someone really ought to inform them as to what they
    are letting themselves in for!!! 
38.2072RDGENG::MORRELLSlip Away....Thu May 29 1997 21:357
        >Eindhoven as they are talking about a link up with Leeds.

    Well maybe we could give them Carlton Palmer on permanent loan... 

    Cheers,

    	Rick,
38.2073CHEFS::COOKSHalf Man,Half BiscuitThu May 29 1997 21:417
    The last I heard was that big Jan Molby has been linked with the
    job, (according to fab Thames Valley FM).
    
    Probably just idle speculation I suspect.