Conference bookie::movies

My favourite is Jaffar, the evil vizir in The Thief of Bagdad. Makes Major
Strasser in Casablanca look like a softy.

I second Angela Lansbury and Robert Michum in .-1. The Angela Lansbury character
is meant to be based on Livia, the wife of the emperor Augustus, ie a proper
Machiavellian manipulator, but Angela Lansbury's cosy image makes her come over
as superbly twisted.

How about Robert Taylor in Crossfire or Bad Day at Black Rock?

Helen

Micheal Keaton, Pacific Heights, Beatlegeuse

Jenifer Jason Leigh, Single White Female

Rebecca DeMornay, The Hand That Rocks the Cradle

    Gary Busey in Lethal Weapon/Hider In The House
    
    Ricardo Montoblan in Star Trek - The Wrath Of Kahn
    
    Jack Palance in every one he's done !
    
    John Lithgow in Riccochet
    
    more later,
    		Davie.

Alan Rickman as the Sherif (Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves)

    Jack Nicholson as The Joker   (Batman)
    Danny DeVito   as The Penguin (Batman 2)

    
    
    	Bruce Dern ->  John Wayne and "The Cowboys"

    Not a "bad guy" but a "bad girl" 8^)
    
    Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction; oh that poor rabbit!
    
    Patricia

I'd nominate Dennis Hopper's character in _Blue Velvet_.

I really didn't think Wes Studi's character in _The Last of the Mohicans_
was in any sense evil. He felt a natural hatred for the English for what had
been done to his family and expressed that hatred in the only way he could.


Randy


ps- Another nomination in the "charming but evil" catagory would be Orson
Welles' Harry Lime from _The Third Man_.

    Robert Mitchum in Cape Fear!
    
    My nominee for all-time champion of bad guys is Anthony Hopkins in
    Silence of the Lambs. You didn't feel safe with this guy even if he was
    trussed up, wearing a mask, and behind bars and a bulletproof window.
    			Jim
    

    John Malkovich in 'In the Line of Fire'.
    
    Jodi-

    Frank Langella in 'Dracula'.
    
    Karen.

    re .4, I definitely agree with Alan Rickman.  He is my favorite bad
    guy in Die Hard and Quigly Down Under, as well as Robin Hood (Costner
    version).
    
    Lorna
    

    .3>    Jack Palance in every one he's done !

In particular, Shane.  Palance's character is so evil that after he's gotten
the draw on that poor farmer standing in the mud, he grins and savors the
moment before he shoots him dead.   Clearly, a murderer who likes his work.

Also, while he isn't in the same class as Rickman or Palance, I kind of liked
seeing Wilfred Brimley in a nasty role in The Firm: Mr. Quaker Oats as a
steely, efficient killer.  He was so sympathetic and persuasive when he talked
about those embarrassing photos.

-Steve

    RE: .1  > How about Robert Taylor in Crossfire or Bad Day at Black Rock?
    
    I think we're talking about Robert Ryan here - always an effective
    baddie (James Stewart's adversary in "The Naked Spur" is another nasty
    performance by Ryan).   
    
    Another favorite of mine is Basil Rathbone's swashbucking villain in 
    "Adventures of Robin Hood" ('38) and "Mark of Zorro" ('41).  THOSE 
    were the days...
    
    Ron D.  

    Here is a bad gal,  Nurse Ratchett (sp?) in One Flew Over the Cuckoos
    Nest.  I do not recall who played her but it is the only movie I still
    stand up and scream at the tv. hoping she will get strangled this time.
    
     

    Re: -1
    
    Nurse Ratchett.....Louise Fletcher.
    
    CP
    

    James Earl Jones as the voice of Darth Vader. He could have voiced for
    Rick Moranis in Spaceballs and still leave me quaking!
    
    Michael
    

Re .14: You're right....Robert Ryan. There are four Roberts in Crossfire. But
Ryan is a great psychopathic baddy. I think he must have been basically a good
guy (like Conrad Veidt (Major Strasser) and George C. Scott) to be able to do
the nasties with such relish. Whereas the nice guy in Crossfire (was that Robert
Young or Robert Taylor?) I seem to remember denouncing commies to HUAC.

Helen

    HAL 9000 from 2001.

Pacific Heights was on ITV in the UK on Saturday Night pretty much un-cut

and Wow I'd forgotten loads of it 

(as an aside I noticed how obvious the ending was)

                 BAD GUYS:
    Gene Hackman--Cliff Hanger(made the movie) and Unforgiven
    Alan Rickman--Die Hard and Robin Hood, Prince of Theives(should get
                  more recognition for his great acting)
    Jack Nicholson--The Shining, A Few Good Men, Batman(is there anyone 
                    better than Jack?)
    Robert DeNiro--Cape Fear(very convincing)
    
                 BAD GIRLS:
    Rebecca Demornay--The Hand That Rocks The Cradle(she was evil!)
    Glenn Close--Fatal Attraction
    

RE: .21

Sorry to be picky but Gene Hackman wasn't the baddy in Cliffhanger it was 
	someone else entirely

    The pimply faced gunsel who tricked Keith Carradine into showing him
    his gun in "McCabe and Mrs. Miller".
    

>    The pimply faced gunsel who tricked Keith Carradine into showing him
>    his gun in "McCabe and Mrs. Miller".

re: gunsel.  Probably not the word you think it is (from Dashiel Hammet).
It's actually a homosexual prostitute.

monty

    
    	Reutger Hauer in 'The Hitcher'
        
    		Bum twitching !
    Davie

    RE: .24  by 26608::BRANDENBERG 
    
>>    The pimply faced gunsel who tricked Keith Carradine into showing him
>>    his gun in "McCabe and Mrs. Miller".

>re: gunsel.  Probably not the word you think it is (from Dashiel Hammet).
>It's actually a homosexual prostitute.

    Thanks, Monty, I 'd never heard it used that way.  I see Catamite is
    one of the meanings, right after "a treacherous person", but before
    "gunman".  Actually, the #1 definition; "a young, naive or stupid
    person", more accurately refers to Carradine's character.
    
    Whatever else he may have been, this kid was no-good.  Sort of a wild
    West incarnation of the dreaded Scut Farquous of "A Christmas Story".
    

Henry Fonda in "Once Upon a Time in the West."  Truly chilling.

					-- Nina

    re- minus a few
    
    The bad guy in Cliffhanger was John Lithgow, whom was also the badguy
    in Ricochet, Buckaroo Banzai, Raising Cain, and I forget what else.
    
    Michael

    The guy with the straight edge in the movie "Reservoir Dogs", perhaps
    he was Mr. Orange?
    
    Big time bad.
    
    I agree with Rutger in the Hitcher, and Palance in Shane.  I also
    thought the kid in the first Omen was nasty...

    No, that was Mr. White, played by the "menancing even when he's not
    trying" Michael Madsen.  Mr. Orange (Tim Roth) was the unfortunate who
    spent most of movie bleeding on the floor.
    
    And yes, Mr. White was indeed, a very good bad guy.  If ya know what I
    mean.
    
    
    
    Cheers,
    
    kim  

    Yup yer right, in mean "White", I mean right....  Well, you know what
    I mean...   ;-)

    I agree that Michael Madsen - "All you can pray for is a quick death.
    Which you ain't gonna get." - in Reservoir Dogs is genuinely scary, but
    the guy who really frightens me in that film is Chris Penn as Nice Guy 
    Eddie. It's the speed with which he switched moods, from genial,
    joke-cracking, 70s-music-listening to psychopathic. Every time I watch
    the film I keep thinking, 'Well, he's not so bad.' And then he pulls
    the gun and says "Which cop? This cop?".....  

    "I really don't care if you tell me anything or not, I'm going to
    torture you...".

    First movie ever to have me reaching for the FF button.  (HINT) Even if 
    you are tempted, don't FF this scene!

    Yikers.

    Just saw this one again last night:
    
    	Donald Sutherland in the "The Eye of the Needle"
    
    Karen.

    Great job at being very bad!!!  Don Johnson in "Guilty As Sin".
    
    Cheryl

    
    Has Rudgur Hower been mentioned as a bag guy.  He allwasy plays
    the bad guy and a good one at that!

    
    	RE: .36
    
    	Rutger Hauer.  Yes, I think so ... "The Hitcher", especially.
    
    
    							GTI

    
    Was it "The hitcher" or was it "The Hitchhiker" ? 

    
    	"The Hitcher".
    
    							GTI

    Annette Bening in VALMONT.
    
    "It's lonely not having anyone to share your secrets with."
    
    All three leads:  Anjelica Huston, Annette Bening, and John Cusack, in
    THE GRIFTERS.
    
    Chris Sarendon in FRIGHT NIGHT.
    
    Kathy Bates in MISERY.
    
    (To me, if they're likable they're twice as dangerous--but that lets
    out THE GRIFTERS...)
    

    Michael Ironside in SCANNERS
    Tim Curry in LEGEND
    
    
    Michael
    
    

    How about Lee Van Cleef and Strother Martin, and Jack Elam in any number 
    of movies like Cool Hand Luke, the Clint Eastwood spagetti westerns, and 
    a whole raft of Hollywood westerns?
    
    Carl

    What about George Peppard's excellent portrayal of the complete
    American spoilt a$$hole/brat. Don't remember the flick title but his
    character name was Jonus Cord.
    				  Davie.

    RE:  Note 432.43
    
    > What about George Peppard's excellent portrayal of the complete
    > American spoilt a$$hole/brat. Don't remember the flick title but
    > his character name was Jonus Cord.
    
    "The Carpetbaggers", I believe.
    

    Blue Duck in "Lonesome Dove" (the TV miniseries). Don't know the
    actor's name, but he was awfully easy to hate.
    
    			

    Blue Duck was played by Fredric Forrest, who seems to be able to switch
    between playing nice regular guys (Tucker: The Man and His Dream),
    twitchy neurotics (Apocalypse Now) and outright swines (Lonesome Dove)
    with consummate ease. He was almost as unpleasant as Blue Duck in a TV
    movie called The Right To Kill, about a gun-happy IRS employee who
    liked slapping his wife and kids around.
    
    Nick 

I would agree with several strong favorites already mentioned:
- Anthony Hopkins in "Silence of the Lambs" - *****
- Dennis Hopper as "Frank" in "Blue Velvet" - *****
- Robert Mitchum in "Night of the Hunter" - *****
- Henry Fonda as "Frank" in "Once Upon A Time In The West"
- John Malcovich in "Line of Fire" - he was pretty slimy in "Jennifer 8" too.
- The kid from "McCabe"
- Louise Fletcher Nurse Ratchett
- Angela Lansbury in "Manchurian Candidate"

Others no one mentioned:
- Anyone remember one of the first mini-series called "Rich Man Poor Man"?
  William Smith played a goon named Falconetti. Unforgettable. *****
- How could anyone omit Arnold in "Terminator"?! ***** What's his name as the 
  model 1000 in T2 was good too.
- Ray Liotta as "Ray" in "Something Wild". Pretty good.
- What's his name as the corporate slimeball in "Aliens" deserves honorable
  mention. Oh yeah, Paul Reiser.
- Charles Laughton in "Munity on the Bounty"
- Brion James as "Leon" in "Bladerunner"

I think "Fun" bad guys are a slightly different category, you can tell these
guys are having a great time going over the top, like:
- Nicholson in "Batman"
- Lithgow in "Buckaroo Bonzai"
- Nurse Ratchett almost falls in this category 
- Eli Wallach(sp?) in "Good,Bad,Ugly"
- Gene Hackman as "Lex Luthor"

I would also add
- Tom Beringer as "Sgt. Barnes" in "Platoon"
- Willem Dafoe in "Wild at Heart"
- "Biff" from "Back to the Future" - in the "fun" category.

    Eddie Arnold as the Chairman of the Board in "INC"
    
    	"DIS-CO-NNECT!!!"
    
    Carl

    Almost forgot this one, it's one of my favourite suspense type films.
    
    Rob Lowe in Bad Influence - now he was pretty screwed up.
    
    Davie.

    
    Willem Dafoe in 'Wild At Heart' and 'To Live And Die In LA'.
    Christopher Walken in just about everything he's done.  (A View to a
    Kill, At Close Range, King Of New York, True Romance, etc) 
    And also among my favourites are the three bad guys from '52 Pickup' -
    John Glover, Clarence Williams III (I think) and that sweaty snivelly
    little guy whose name I can't remember.
    
    Wasn't Micheal Madsen's character in Res dogs Mr. Blond?                 
    (Not Mr. White?)
    
    Scott
    
    
    
    
    
    

    
    John Lithgow as Dr. Emilio Lazardo in _Buckaroo Banzai_ :-)
    
    	"Buckaroo-a Ban-a-zai - I'll a-see you in-a Hell!!!" :-)
    
    A Classic . . .
    

    re "Sweaty, snivelly little guy" - Michael J. Pollard ???
    

    re. some back
    
    I think you're right about Michael Madsen not being Mr. White.  That
    was Harvey Keitel's character.
    
    
    kim

    
    Andy Griffith played a decent bad guy in a movie about a hunter that
    goes in the desert with his friend and a boy as a guide.  He kills his
    friend and then tries to make it look like the boy did it and then ran
    off into the desert and starved.  Plan woulda worked except that the
    boy had a slingshot and ambushed the guy inside his camp one morning.
    Puts big holes in his arm and leg.  Boy then drives hunter into town
    where hunter proceeds to frame him...
    
    Anyone remember what the name of that movie was?
    

    re a couple
    Michael Madsen was Mr.Blonde
    
    
    
    						ian

I forget the guys name but he the guy in Maniac Cop with the oversized jaws.
I saw him in a movie called the Night Stalker were he snapped peoples necks
with his thumbs and chanted something like "Son Sele Um Se Outa", we he would
get stronger everytime he killed someone.

tony

    Joe Peci in "GOODFELLAS". Scariest thought is that guys like him really 
    exist.
    

    re .58 . . .
    
    	Yeah, that's what happens to the little guy everyone made too much
    fun of in grade school ( what, am I like a *clown*, so I make you
    *laugh*??? )   :-)
    
    				- Jim
    

    RE: .58
    
    Yep.  He was flat out scary (especially because he was based upon a
    real character and everyone knew the guy with a chip on his shoulder).