Conference terri::cars_uk

    I don't know whether DHL would do anything, but at a former company, a
    sales manager got a call about the driving of one of his sales people.
    A member of Joe Public had called in after seeing the NCR sticker in
    the rear window to complain about being cut up on the motorway by one
    of their employees.
    
    Car Fleet took it seriously - the sales manager didn't.
    
    Give it a try.
    
    Paul

    > So. Dilemma. I was so amazed by this clown that my first instinct was
    > to take his number (which I did), and ring DHL (which I haven't yet).
    > What would you do team? Does a man like this deserve to be reported?
 
    Yes.

    > Would DHL do anything anyway? Should I bother?
   
    This probably depend upon who gets to hear of it.  I've often heard that
    a fax to either the MD or the Public Relations director is a good way to
    start and the numbers are normally not too hard to get hold of.
    

    Wot about the boys in blue ?
    
    I've phoned them before now from the carphone, and they've tried to
    intercept the offender (not with a great deal of success).
    
    In fact, they phoned me back to ask if I could follow the car, but I'd
    already lost sight !!
    
    

    
    An idea, but I have no carphone (thank God!)
    
    Nigel
    

    After being overtaken in my village going past the primary school where
    my wee lassies goes to school, the first thing I did after I camed down
    enough to stop sayin f*****G B******D between every two words.. I
    phoned the cops.... The first thing they asked me was, was there anyone
    else with me to verify the situation.. Unfortunatly, this time I was on
    my own, so the officer said all he could do is trace the car reg and go
    and speak to him about the incident...
    
    Lesson learnt..... get witnesses!!! Anyone elses reg number in the
    vicinity who you think should have seen the event... then phone the
    cops!
    
    Gross stupidity needs to jumped on hard....then maybe wee kids can come
    out of school without getting killed by assholes trying to save five
    minutes on their journey time!!
    
    
    Yours, with pen and paper handy!!!
    
    Dave B
     
    
    

    Complain to the company and try as high up the ladder as possible.
    
    Mind you there have been a few bozzos down this way with "digital"
    related stickers in the back windows of their cars jumping traffic and
    shooting through red lights!

    
    
    Hi Nigel 
    
    I see your busy again.
    
    A friend and I once saw a motorcyclist doing wheelies in the High
    Street and acting rather dangerously etc.
    
    We reported him to the Police, and they someone else had also taken the
    number and reported it. With two witnesses they can prosecute for
    whatever offence they see fit.
    
    Ian
    
    

re.8:

>I thought the police or some sort of authority had to witness an offence.

You are kidding, right?

Dave.

    re .7
    
    Ian,
    
    I'm waiting for a Credit compiler to do its stuff, of course a lad of
    your tender years wouldn't remember a Credit compiler. Ask Brian then
    stand well back! 8^)
    
    Nigel
    

    re .3  (sorry it's late - busy day)
    
>    I've phoned them before now from the carphone, and they've tried to
>    intercept the offender (not with a great deal of success).
>    
>    In fact, they phoned me back to ask if I could follow the car, but I'd
>    already lost sight !!
    
    Presumably because you'd had to pull over to the side of the road to
    answer the phone :o)
    
    Jon

    Rep
    
    Re .8
    
    I'm sure it would never cross the police's minds that people would
    conspire to make up evidence in order to convict an innocent person.
    
    (Only joking - allegedly!)
    

    
    Well, having chewed it over for a few days, I've decided to drop a
    letter to DHL's headquarters, and see what happens. I'll note any
    response!
    
    Cheers
    
    Nigel
    

    IMHO, I think they'll ignore it as a crank letter or just someone with
    an axe to grind. 
    
    	*However* the neat thing is that, in a few weeks, some other
    equally public spirited citizen might complain about another
    incident by the same driver... maybe three or four letters and they'll
    pull the guy in.
    
    I think you're doing the right thing BTW. Most of us would have
    apathy-ed out by now.
    
    Also while I'm ranting on, I have changed my opinion of the 50 MPH
    limits in Motorway Road Works since I saw that documentary about the
    poor b*****ds who actually do the work (occasionally).
    
    Imagine having to dig up a road with some nutter doing 85 MPH three
    feet away from you ?  I guess the limit is there for their benefit
    along the same lines as having a 30 limit outside a school. 

    
    
    I agree with -.1,
    
    I heard recently that a workman was killed on the A12 near Colchester
    by a bollard that was wipped up by a fast moving lorry.
    
    

>>> Title:  -----Speed Kills
    
    
>>>    I agree with -.1,
    
>>>    I heard recently that a workman was killed on the A12 near Colchester
>>>    by a bollard that was wipped up by a fast moving lorry.
    
    

	First of all, we've had this before - speed cannot kill!!!  Otherwise,
where are all the dead Astronauts?  Speed in the wrong place and/or place CAN
(but NOT necessarily) kill

	Secondly, the stupidity of (any) speed limits in most cases, is that
they are not necessary most of the time:  "workers" do not work on Road Works
24 hours a day, 7 days per week, for instance.

	I am not without sympathy for speed limits in general, it is just the
application with which I disagree!

				Malcolm.

    If we're in RatHole Mode, it's probably not the speed, but the sudden
    deceleration that kills...
    
    Mind you, the idea of Speed Limits at certain times of day is quite
    appealing... anyone know of any examples ?

    .17
    
    Yes, you cannot go over Thelwall Viaduct at more than 15 mph between
    8:00-9:00 and 17:00-18:00. :-)                           

    Re: The traffic cones.
    
    My neighbour works for the Transport and Road Research Laboratory in
    Crowthorne and she tells me (unofficially) that they have been reviewing 
    the effectiveness of the old style cones. They will be looking at
    "continental" alternatives as well. Perhaps, the cone will disappear in
    the future.... what will drunken students wear on their heads then?
    
    Barry.  

    
    
    On my wanderings I have seen a few roadworks with 
    
    				"Cone Hot-Line"
    				Call ### ### #### (sorry can't remember the
	                                            number)
    
    	any one know what this is ??
    
    						PK.

    Perhaps better placed in *seen in passing* but I have also seen this
    at the approach to the M3 works at Winchester.
    
    Presumably its to report cones that get knocked over. In the local
    news recently they said they replace around 250 cones a week in that
    stretch of road alone.
                       
    Royston

    Try the Death Valley roadworks on the M62; lots of cones, but lots of
    concrete barriers too. Try overtaking an artic at {mumble} miles an
    hour in a lane that's only just wider than a parking space with a
    concrete wall 2 feet from your wing mirror   :-)

    
    Wasn't this cones hotline part of the
    back-to-basic-citizens-charter-I'm-still-here stuff? As I recall if you
    see the usual seventeen miles of cones with Fred and his mate leaning
    on a shovel at mile nine, with nothing else going on the idea is that
    you ring the cones hotline, and they either (a) rush out and put the
    whole thing right, or (b) smile, and say "'Ere Mavis, I gotta nuvver
    one 'ere!" to their friend.
    
    Yours, cynical of Leeds (with no apologies to Mr Portillo)
    
    Nigel
    

    
    	Re-1
    
    	Yep that is what the cones hotline is for.
    	However try dialling it. You get to an answer phone and asked to
    	leave your name and number/adress and some no-name will get back to
    	you..........NOT!
    	
    	A waste of time.
    
    		Tony B.

	Re.18
    
>>>    Yes, you cannot go over Thelwall Viaduct at more than 15 mph between
>>>    8:00-9:00 and 17:00-18:00. :-)                           


	I missed the smiley on this one!  One assumes it should have been there?

				Malcolm.

<<< Note 2205.25 by CMOTEC::POWELL "Nostalgia isn't what it used to be, is it?" >>>


	Re.18
    
>>>    Yes, you cannot go over Thelwall Viaduct at more than 15 mph between
>>>    8:00-9:00 and 17:00-18:00. :-)                           
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>>>>	I missed the smiley on this|one!  One assumes it should have been there?
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    wot was that then ???? --------+
    
    G
    

I would certainly be in favour of timed limits, for example outside schools

8:00-9:30 etc.(20mph) all other times (40-50 mph)

Same for outside places like factories etc...


Maybe derestricted (no-speedlimit) between 1am-4am on motorways maybe ?

Silly me!

				Malcolm. 8-(

    Ref -2
    
    Timed limits are very common in the US - around schools there is a
    10mph limit at certain times, also you cannot overtake stationary
    school buses in certain circumstances
    
    Paul

    
    Well, it's been a while, and this is the outcome:
    
    I got a letter from the PR guy saying that this wasn't what they'd
    expect from their people, and he'd pass the letter on to the Leeds
    manager, who would then get in touch with me. (S)he didn't, so I guess
    I can draw my own conclusions about what DHL think of the public. I can
    also draw my own conclusions about whether I'd be happy to have my
    packages transported by people who drive like lunatics. You may wish to
    raw your own conclusions too, and you are free to do so!
    
    Cheers
    
    Nigel