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Conference terri::cars_uk

Title:Cars in the UK
Notice:Please read new conference charter 1.70
Moderator:COMICS::SHELLEYELD
Created:Sun Mar 06 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2584
Total number of notes:63384

2094.0. "Start up after long a time" by 45736::MACDONALD () Fri May 28 1993 17:35

I'm going to be starting up my FIAT 124 Spyder after it
being garaged for 2.5 years! Basically, I'm going to
put new oil in, turn it over without the plugs, put new
plugs in and...well, that's as far as I got.

I'm aware that stuff like brake fluid, wheel bearings etc
will have to be checked but I'm primarily interested in
whether there might be any problems with the engine. For
example, although the cam belt is only 5000 miles and 3
years old should I replace that (hope not!)?

Any suggestions and advice would be appreciated.

Jamie
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2094.1OASS::FLASHE::BURDEN_DThis is a Studebaker YearFri May 28 1993 18:439
  2.5 years?  That's nothing.  I recently resurected a 1924 Studebaker that
  had been sitting for 20 years.  I dropped the pan, changed the oil,
  repacked the water pump, had the generator and starter gone over, new
  plugs and wires and (literally) cranked it up.
  
  I think the level of work you plan to do is reasonable.  I would also
  flush the cooling system.
  
  Dave  
2094.2gently it all depends how it was storedVANTEN::MITCHELLD"Management is opaque"Fri May 28 1993 21:0111
rocker /cam covers?

Take them off and pour oil over every thing
try and turn the thing over by hand with a socket 
and ratchet  on
the nut on the crankshaft pulley if it wont move its
a strip down job.

Carburettors? with diaphrams aka SU ?
spray WD40 and move the slides gently by hand to free
them.
2094.3stuck isn't always stuckOASS::FLASHE::BURDEN_DThis is a Studebaker YearFri May 28 1993 22:095
  re: if it won't turn
  
  either that or it's still in gear....:-)  (from experience)
  
  Dave
2094.4KERNEL::WITHALLGNever heard of himSat May 29 1993 19:5010
    
    I have a 1959 Consul, I turned it over for the first time in about 8
    months and found that the clutch had seized. ( Cable,plate, pedal ??? I
    dunno) anyway after two hours of idling whilst I was cleaning her up it
    was all stations go, the clutch had freed and of she went.
    
    
    Lucky for me, I wouldn't know a Clutch from a a 1927 Studebaker.
    
    Regs,
2094.5Then once its goingBAHTAT::CARTER_AAndy Carter..Morph the BorgTue Jun 01 1993 14:478
I inherited a 1969 Austin 1300 Auto (brilliant car!) after it had been garaged 
for 4 years. Changed the oil, topped up the battery (replaced it after 6 
months), unjammed the fuel pump diaphragm (sp?) and it started third time. 
However, at the MoT they said all the wheel bearings had flattened thru' not 
being used. (perhaps I shouldn't have told them it had been off the road for a 
while?)


2094.6& oil the crank/boresCMOTEC::JASPERWed Jun 02 1993 22:2410
    Yes, all previous comments apply. You could try overfilling it with oil
    to bath the crankshaft (let the excess oil out before running).
    I'd squirt some oil down the bores first. I've also had a clutch stick
    after layup. If it happens, you may free it by aggressive
    acceleration/deceleration in first gear, otherwise sorry but its
    clutch-pressure-plate-off to separate the parts.
    I wouldnt trust a cam belt that had stood moulded in one position for
    that time.
    
    Do let us know :^)
2094.7Stuck ValvesROCKS::CAMPFri Jun 04 1993 12:2114
    Valves can also stick in the open position due to the stems rusting
    which can be a bit of a disaster in some OHV engines. Typically the 
    problem is due to running the engine for just a short while prior to 
    laying up and water condenses on the exhaust valve stems which promotes
    the rust.  Liberal use of freeing oil squirted down the guides helps.
    (Side valve engines appear to be very succeptable  to this problem,
    maybe because the water runs down the stem into the guides?)
    
    To prevent this and other related problems if you are going to leave a 
    car for any length is to ensure it is thoroughly warm before laying up
    (give it a good run say a 20 minute journey). 
    
    Also its a good idea to take the weight off the tyres and they will
    tend to create flat spots if left any one place for a long time.  
2094.8Jam the clutch pedal downNEWOA::SAVILLE_JFri Jun 04 1993 16:2615
Ehh up 36 (?),

	so you're getting that crate back on the road are you - I've also 
finished rebuilding my Alfa Spyder, so maybe we should meet up halfway
(how about the `Pub With No Name').

	Re the clutch seizing on - it's a good idea to jam a block of wood
under the clutch pedal before laying-up, to keep the plates apart. Oh, and
FILL the engine with oil - takes a bit of effort to get rid of it when you
come to re-start it though - it tends to get into the exhaust and takes
a long time to burn off. Obviously this would only really be a sensible
approach if you're thinking of laying it up for quite some time.


...Jonathan
2094.9Fine - but it wouldn't start!45736::MACDONALDWed Jun 23 1993 20:0215
Thanks for all the advice. As it happens it wouldn't
start - one reason being a dead low tension lead. In 
general it seemed in remarkably good nick.

Because I'm a bit of a cack hand at things mechanical I'm
going to trailer it down to this garage in London and get
various bits and pieces done to it - mainly get all the
crude anti-emission gumf changed to give it a bit more
go!

Joanathan - it is 36, you're right. I don't suppose
you've got a trailer and a car with a tow-bar now have
you!?

Jamie