Conference rdvax::grateful

    I've got a question for all you notes experts. Does anybody know a way
    to write the text of a note out to a file when NOTES comes back and
    tells you that it can't write the note to the notes files because it
    lost the network link?  Now I've gotta go type it all in again (sniff!)
    
    j

re:  <<< Note 67.1 by 31734::MIRASSOU "We've all gone to look for America..." >>>

>    I've got a question for all you notes experts. Does anybody know a way
>    to write the text of a note out to a file when NOTES comes back and
>    tells you that it can't write the note to the notes files because it
>    lost the network link?  Now I've gotta go type it all in again (sniff!)

	You can get the file back with the following steps, once you get
	the error message informing you that the network link was lost.
	The stuff you typed in is held in a temp file, but I don't think
	you can enter any other notes before recovering the one you want.

	1) open up a conference, any conference, preferably the one you were
	   in if it is reachable.
	2) get to the note you wanted to reply to if in the same conference,
	   or any note in another conference.
	3) enter REPLY/LAST to the NOTES> prompt, and the text you entered
	   and lost should re-appear in your edit buffer.
	4) if in the conference you want, proceed as usual.  Otherwise,
	   write the text to a file via the editor command for the editor you
	   are using.

	Ken

    Another way is to use the TPU buffer directly.

    If you lost your link to the other system, at the Notes> prompt, just
    type EVE.  Then, type <DO> or <PF1 7> and, at the Command: prompt,
    enter BUFFER NOTES$EDIT.  You should now see the contents of the entry
    you were making.  Now, you can type <DO> and enter WRITE FOO.BAR and
    the contents of the buffer will be written to FOO.BAR on your system.
    Then type <DO> and NOTES to return to notes.

    Easy, eh?

    	- Prob

How do I pull something out of grateful.old?

Bill

    First of all, it ain't GRATEFUL.OLD.
    
    The file is accessed as SPICE::GRATEFUL_OLD.NOTE.
    
    You pull something from the file just like any other notesfile. 
    Use the EXTRACT command to extract a single note or a range of notes:
    
    Notes> EXTRACT TMP.TMP 56.0
    
    	The above command will extract note 56.0 to a file called TMP.TMP.
    
    Does this help?
    
    	- Dave

RE: list of notesfiles

There is a conference that has this lists of notesfiles at 

		TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES

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    How do you quote text from a previous note in your reply?????  Its done
    so much, I have a feelin' that most don't re-type it.
    
            Mike

re: .8

I'll assume that you're not using DECwindows notes.

When you type REPLY, you should get a split screen with the note you're replying
to in the top and your cusor in the bottom.

Press DO and at the Command: prompt, type OTHER<CR>.  The cursor moves to the
top window.

Select the text you wish to quote (press SELECT, move to the end, press REMOVE).

Press DO and at the Command: prompt, type OTHER<CR>. The cursor moves to the
bottom window.

Position the cursor where you want it and press INSERT HERE.  The text that
was cut out is now inserted into the buffer.

Go back and preface each line with ">" or whatever character you want to use.

Enter your response to the quoted text.

	~dave

 At the notes prompt.

NOTES>SET PROFILE/EDITOR=(EDT,CALL)

if EDT is your editor of choice. you substitute any other callable
editor.
 
Then at note you wish to reply to:

NOTES>reply
 
this will put the note into the buffer and you will be in line mode.

*c   to change to screen mode then edit the text of the note to qoute
what you want to qoute.

I'm sure someone else could describe it much more eloquently than I 
but I hope this helps.

Shawn

   >I'm sure someone else could describe it much more eloquently than I 
   >but I hope this helps.  
    
    The past 2 notes explained it eloquently enuff, it seems to
    work...thanx!
    
     Mike :-)

Yo;

For people looking for a notesfile on some subject ....

In .7, Scott mentioned a notesfile, TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES, which 
contains the filespec (and usually a brief description) of all "published"
notesfiles.

There's also a file containing a list of all notesfiles which you can copy
over the net, at ANCHOR""::NET$LIBRARY:EASYNOTES.LIS

So if I wanted to see if there was a notesfile on baseball, for example,
I could get a copy of this file then type

	$ search easynotes.lis baseball

and I'd see:

Baseball			HECKLE::BASEBALL			    2634
Baseball Statistics		GUNGHO::BB_STATS			    1332
NY METS (Baseball Team)		ACESMK::NYMETS				    1678
New York Yankees Baseball	DSSDEV::YANKEE				    3332

Here's the header of EASYNOTES.LIS with more information ....


  I.  Introduction

			  DIGITAL INTERNAL USE ONLY

    The Digital computer network, known as Easynet, is a private network
    for exclusive use by Digital.  Computer conferences (or note files)
    on various subjects exist on the network, and many are open to all
    employees on the network.  Conferences thus promote free exchange of
    information among employees.

    Not all conferences on Easynet are open to all employees.  Some
    conferences concern specific projects or areas of interest.	 It would
    not be necessary or even appropriate to announce the location of such
    conferences.

    Some conferences contain information that is proprietary to Digital.
    Such information need to be handled with particular care.  Corporate
    policies require that proprietary information be labeled as such.
    The fact that Easynet is NOT public, and that only employees have
    access to the network does not eliminate the requirement to comply
    with policy.

    Of particular interest to people using Notes should be policy 6.54
    which deals with the proper use of Digital's network and computer
    resources.

TYPES OF CONFERENCES

1.  Conferences that are open to all Digital employees and contain no
    proprietary information should be announced in EASYNET_CONFERENCES.

2.  Conferences that are open to all Digital employees, but contain
    information that should not be distributed outside Digital, should
    include the DIGITAL INTERNAL USE ONLY notice.  Announce these
    conferences.

3.  Conferences of special interest groups are usually not announced in
    EASYNET_CONFERENCES.  They may be unrestricted conferences if they
    contain no proprietary information.

4.  Special interest conferences that contain proprietary information
    should be restricted conferences, and should include the DIGITAL
    INTERNAL USE ONLY notice.  If these conferences are announced, only
    name(s) and address(es) of moderator(s) should be given.

5.  Special interest conferences that contain highly confidential
    material must be restricted conferences and must NOT be announced in
    EASYNET_CONFERENCES.  The conferences must include a DIGITAL INTERNAL
    USE ONLY, DIGITAL CONFIDENTIAL, or DIGITAL RESTRICTED DISTRIBUTION
    notice.  In latter case, a DO NOT DUPLICATE OR FORWARD type of notice
    is also recommended.

6.  DIGITAL PERSONAL material should never appear in the types of
    conferences listed above.  If the Personnel department creates any
    private, restricted conferences with DIGITAL PERSONAL data in them,
    they must keep them strictly private, restricted, and unannounced.


    EASYNOTES.LIS lists all of the announced computer conferences
    accessible via the VAX Notes utility on the Easynet.

    A VAX Notes Conference for the purpose of helping people new to VAX
    Notes exists at OASS::VAXNOTES_INTRO.

    VAX Notes documentation is available on-line and may be found at:

			       CLT::NOTES$DOCS:

    INSTALL_GUIDE   (.LNO, .LN3, .LPR)	  Installation Guide (AA-GH96A-TE)
    GUIDE_TO_NOTES  (.LNO, .LN3, .LPR)	  Guide to VAX Notes (AI-G98HA-TE)
    CALLABLE_MANUAL (.LNO, .LN3, .LPR)	  Callable Routines  (AA-GH00A-TE)

    To print the LN01 (.LNO) and LN03 versions (.LN3), you should use the
    /PASSALL/NOFEED qualifiers with the DCL PRINT command to insure
    proper printing.

				  ** NOTE **

    The Callable Routines reference manual is DIGITAL INTERNAL USE ONLY.

    New VAX Notes conferences (for use with VAX Notes) are announced in
    the conference at TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES. Note: This is a VAX
    Note conference and may only be read using the VAX Notes utility.

    EASYNOTES.LIS is updated weekly from conference announcements made in
    the VAX Notes conference TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES.  The master
    copy is kept at ANCHOR""::NET$LIBRARY:EASYNOTES.LIS.  Regional copies
    are available at other locations on the network.  See the section
    'Pointers to Conference Lists' for the locations of these copies.
    The list can also be accessed via VTX using the keyword 'EASYNOTES'.

    If you have problems accessing a particular conference, try using the
    methods suggested in notes 1.* in TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES before
    writing a note in that conference.	A summary of these suggestions is
    available at CAFEIN::NOTES$LIBRARY:NOTES_PROBLEMS.HINTS which is a
    file you can copy to your own account.

    Also, if you don't see a particular topic listed in the EASYNOTES
    list, you can make inquiries in TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES.

    PLEASE NOTE:  NEVER COPY a conference, at least not with the COPY
    command, which locks up the file while you are copying it.	If you
    must make a copy, use the CONVERT/SHARE command instead.  VAX Notes
    may be used in batch, if interactive access is slow.

    I think I remember seeing this posted somewhere in this notes file,
    but I couldn't find it.
    
    Does anyone have the command procedure with the FDL commands which can
    be used to compress one's NOTES$NOTEBOOK.NOTE?  I had it a couple moves
    ago, but can't find it.  I do remember that after using it, my notebook
    went from over 1000 blocks to around 100.
    
    If someone has it, could they post it here?
    
    Thanks,
    John

$!
$! command procedure to compress NOTES$NOTEBOOK.NOTE
$!
$ ws :== write sys$output
$ ws " "
$ ws "Compressing Notes$notebook.note ... please wait ..."
$ ws " "
$ ws " "
$ ws "Analyzing Notebook ..."
$ ws " "
$ ANALYZE/RMS_FILE/FDL/OUTPUT=NOTEBOOK.FDL NOTES$NOTEBOOK.NOTE
$ ws "Editing FDL file ..."
$ ws " "
$ EDIT%/FDL/NOINTERACT/ANALYZE=NOTEBOOK.FDL NOTEBOOK.FDL
$ ws "Converting FDL file ..."
$ ws " "
$ CONVERT/FDL=NOTEBOOK.FDL NOTES$NOTEBOOK.NOTE *
$ ws "Cleaning up ..."
$ ws " "
$ DELETE/NOLOG NOTEBOOK.FDL;*
$ SET PROT=O:RWED NOTES$NOTEBOOK.NOTE;-1
$ PURGE NOTES$NOTEBOOK.NOTE/NOLOG
$ ws " "
$ ws "Done!!!"
$ ws " "
$ EXIT

>>$ EDIT%/FDL/NOINTERACT/ANALYZE=NOTEBOOK.FDL NOTEBOOK.FDL
        ^

Take the "%" out of that line first though.  This looks like the one I wrote
a long while back (my style of DCL coding anyways)

    Thanks!  Just ran it on my notebook.  It went from using 1167 blocks
    to using 120 blocks.  90%, not a bad improvement!
    
    j

re:< Note 9.14 by ESGWST::MIRASSOU "Help! I'm turning ... umop apisdn " >
>                      -< Compressing NOTES$NOTEBOOK.NOTE >-
>
>    I think I remember seeing this posted somewhere in this notes file,
>    but I couldn't find it.
>    
>    Does anyone have the command procedure with the FDL commands which can
>    be used to compress one's NOTES$NOTEBOOK.NOTE?  I had it a couple moves
>    ago, but can't find it.  I do remember that after using it, my notebook
>    went from over 1000 blocks to around 100.

Pretty wild coincidence!  I was reading the release notes for NOTES and I came
upon the command procedure for shrinking your notebook.  I was just about to
post it here, but someone else did!

It really works, too!  I thought my original notebook was about 7000 blocks; it
was actually over 11,000 blocks.  After the procedure, it was 138 blocks!

adam

    Please help me use this file more wisely, and respond to these
    questions:
    
      1) How do you get a list of the notes that have been recently 
         written to?
      2) How do you use the keywords for quick access to a subject?
      3) Is it possible to edit or remove a note that you entered and is
         no longer applicable?
    
    Knowing the answers to these would make my noting much easier...
        
    thanx, Mike :-)

>      1) How do you get a list of the notes that have been recently 
>         written to?

	Notes> DIR/ALL/SINCE=YESTERDAY

		or

	Notes> DIR/ALL/SINCE=01-Apr-1991

		or

	Notes> DIR/UNSEEN

>      2) How do you use the keywords for quick access to a subject?

	Notes> DIR/KEY=keyword

>      3) Is it possible to edit or remove a note that you entered and is
>         no longer applicable?

	You can always delete your own notes.  As long as you are accessing
	the file from the place you wrote it.

	NECSC::LEVY can delete notes written by NECSC::LEVY.
	EZWIND::LEVY cannot delete notes written by NECSC::LEVY.


Helpful?

	~dave

    
    How do I cancel a note that I am keying in if I suddenly realize that
    I've committed a terrible faux pas like spelled Jerry's name = Gerry
    or Gerry's name = Jerry ...  without just doing at ^y? 
    
    c

    RE -.2: yes, that's very helpful...thanx much :-)
    

>    How do I cancel a note that I am keying in if I suddenly realize that
>    I've committed a terrible faux pas like spelled Jerry's name = Gerry
>    or Gerry's name = Jerry ...  without just doing at ^y? 

Depends on what editor your using -- my default is set to EDT, So I just
<ctrl>Z  QUIT.....

re .22 CIVIC::ROBERTS 
>    
>    How do I cancel a note that I am keying in if I suddenly realize that
>    I've committed a terrible faux pas like spelled Jerry's name = Gerry
>    or Gerry's name = Jerry ...  without just doing at ^y? 


	Oh thast easy,.. you just go ahead and enter it anyway and let
	people make fun of you. Its what keeps me happy and gives all these
	illiterate deadheads something to complain about!!!! :-)

					/flirting_with_the_flamethrower_and
					probably_putting_his_membership_in
					this_file_at_risk_by_goofing_in_a_
					serious_topic_like_this_but_hey_where
					_is_Charlotte_anyway_and_why_do_I_keep
					_rambling_with_these_ddanged_underscores

    
    ohmigawd - control C !!! After all this time ... it was as simple as
    that.
    Hey /, you know we love ya!
    
    carol

...also of use is using absolute times, like

Notes> Set seen/before=09-apr-1992:10:00

Then 

Notes> next

	..entered continuously will let you peruse the subsequent notes at your 
leisure.

Also of use are the keypad commands.  The Enter key on the keypad is "next", 
which will page through all notes in a reply then take you to the next unseen 
topic and repeat.

The comma key on the keypad is "next unseen", which will set the rest of the 
replies in the current topic as seen then take you to the next unseen note in 
the next unseen topic (the next note entered in the conference, actually).

The 3 key on the keypad is "next reply" which will skip the rest of the current 
note and take you to the next reply in the current topic. This is useful when 
you are "next"ing through notes with the enter key and come across a note which 
you don't want to read all the way through, like anything written by /Bill. :-)

When you get the message "No more notes unseen", then log out and go home.  :-)

    RE: "No more notes...log out and go home"
    
    Or enter a totalluy useless, irrelivant misssspelled note lik this one
    just to use up disk space.......

re .27    

>    Hey /, you know we love ya!

	:-)

	NOw I do have a question related to notes software,..

	How do I go about enterring a fac that is like blushing out
	of control?

	%^}

	That note actually gave me goosbumps,.. thanks Carol!



								/

    How do you take a note from the conference and send it to the 
    members?
    
    thanx,Andy

>    How do you take a note from the conference and send it to the 
>    members?

forward/members

Mark

    Oh.
    
    Didn't even think of it. When I did the send/members I was 
    expecting to have the note I was reading sent out but it came
    up looking for text 8^0
    
    Next time.
    
    thanx,Andy

Typing HELP at the Notes> prompt will reveal all sorts of commands useful
in notes.  I've never looked at the hardcopy/bookreader manual on notes...
always managed to get by using online help.

	Am having a terrible time with my workstation and NOTES!
	I can log in to Grateful and all, but it seems as though
	when I perform an UPDATE from my notes menu (this is on
	windows of course) I get this nice little number, which is the amount
	of unseen entries next to the conference name.  I then log in to 
	Grateful and expect to be able to read the unseen entries,
	and the f$ckin thing only gives me maybe 4 or 5 unseen entries,
	out of maybe 15 or so it claims that there are waiting to be
	read.  I then close conference out and the unseen # is 0.  
	I've tried everything I can possibly think of, including the 
	little set seen pop up menu, I set the seen for "since" yesterday 
	"11MAY1992:12:00:00" and then I get every darn entry in Grateful
	for my unseen, I have not the desire to read all these entries,
	plus even if I wanted to, my system would only let me see a couple
	of em.  

If you set seen since yesterday, I think you wind up setting all notes
*before* yesterday unseen.

Try doing a set seen before yesterday ....

- aiko
  DC

    re .36
    
    	I;m no expert,. but I think you have that backwards... in other
    	words,, he did the right thing,.. so I'm of no help either way, a
    position I am quite familiar with by now :-}
    
    							/
    

Are you "next"ing over the rest of the replies in each topic? That could be the 
problem...

re      <<< Note 9.37 by STAR::SALKEWICZ "It missed... therefore, I am " >>>
                           -< uh,, I don't think so >-
>
>    re .36
>    
>    	I;m no expert,. but I think you have that backwards... in other

I don't think so ... he said he did a set seen since yesterday ("since" is
only available in DECwindows notes).  That would set all the notes timestamped
after yesterday as seen, and would set all the notes timestamped before
yesterday as unseen.  Try it out ....

-dc

    OK mon,..
    
    I thought since was avaioable in regular notes,..
    
    Infact I thought I had used it even when Guitarnotes got all SNAFUed...
    
    Could have swore I did,..
    
    Oh well.. your mileage may vary beyond comporehension
    
    							/Bill
    

	That's it! That was my problem, I was "next"ing my way 
	right though all the action.  I guess my expectations
	of X windows notes were far to high. When the toggle
	says "next unseen" I guess I was thinking it would give
	me all replies....nope just topics (hee hee) do I feel 
	stupid....
	I have also been trying that set seen thing and it butchers
	the whole thing no matter which one I use....must be a flaw
	here....either in the operator (he he) or the software...
	
	Thanks for valuable input...now back to my regularly scheduled
	but hectic program.... 

				:-)

    Use the menu to do set seen before and just put in "today".  That will
    give you everything that was put in SINCE today at 00:00.00.
    
    	~dave
    

Ever select a note from a directory list and realize that it isn't the one you
wanted?  Ever been annoyed that now you had to take the time to restore the 
directory listing to find another note?

I have.

Thanks to a friend from Alpharetta, this is no longer a problem.

If you take the 3 lines following the line of "+++" and put them in a file in
your SYS$LOGIN directory called NOTES$COMMAND.TPU, you can simply type PF1 R to
return to the previous notes directory list from reading a note.

Try it, you'll like it.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
!Put this in a file called notes$command.tpu
!
define_key ('notes$$show_ctrl_z', key_name ("R",SHIFT_KEY),
	"toggle_display", notes$kt_user_keys);

	I tried this, and it works great. Note that this procedures is called 
by notes independent of the editor you have chosen...

Fog

I don't get it.  I created the NOTES$COMMAND.TPU file with the
key definition, and got into notes.  PF1/R at notes> prompt 
gives me:

Key KEY_NAME ("R", SHIFT_KEY) currently has no definition

In edit, it doesn't do anything. 

?

Ken

re           <<< Note 9.45 by GNPIKE::HANNAN "Beyond description..." >>>
                                     -< ? >-

Did you create the file in your SYS$LOGIN directory?

Also, you need to actually re-enter Notes to get this to take effect, I think
(for example, spawning out of Notes and creating the file won't work).

- Dave

re:            <<< Note 9.46 by NRSTA2::CLARK "Alice Ghostley rules" >>>

> Did you create the file in your SYS$LOGIN directory?
> Also, you need to actually re-enter Notes to get this to take effect, I think
> (for example, spawning out of Notes and creating the file won't work).

Yes to the first, and yes I got back into notes after the file create.

Once the file is created and you get back into notes, you do a 
notes> dir note#.whatever.  Then you read a note.  Then you can 
press PF1/R to get the dir list back ?   That's what I tried to
do and get the message that the key is undefined.

Ken

I found that doing a directory first isn't even neccessary!

Ken, 

	Double check the syntax: yes, there really are two dollar signs right 
next to each other...

    This is a wonderful little hack.
    
    It solves my biggest irritation with character-cell notes.
    
    Thanks!
    
    tim
    

    
         how DO i post a .txt file into notes (in a reply)?
     
                                                        ^dave
    
    

    do this
    
    reply filename.txt; /ed (<- if needed)
    
    that should do it

i'm a bit confused...

let's say i'm reading notes
i type next unseen and get to a note that has a lot of replies that i haven't
	yet read
so, i read for a while, but then decide that i'd rather get back to these
	replies later, and read from some other base notes
so i type next unseen

do all of the still unseen notes from the base note which i was just reading
	from get marked as seen?  i'm pretty positive that sometimes this
	has happened to me (like last night/this morn when i suddenly went from
	well over a hundred notes unseen to no unseen notes in a rather short
	amount of time, and i was skipping around), and other times it hasn't
	happened (like when there were 50 replies in a note that i didn't care
	about, and i kept periodically getting back to them as i typed next
	unseen)

on a related note, is there a way to get to the next unseen note from a
	particular base note; for instance, if i don't have the time to read
	thru all of grateful, but i'd like to see if there are any notes in
	the DEChead hiking trip note that i haven't yet read, and i don't
	remember offhand the number of the last reply that i have read

also, is there any way to selectively set seen, by base note/reply, instead
	of just by date?

/rich_who_probably_should_get_out_of_grateful_and_pay_more_attention_to_the_
	_instructor

	Rich-

	As with windows, whether you hit the [NEXT UNSEEN] or if 
	you type it, I believe that it automatically "seens" all 
	the unseens in the rest of that topic, therefore you cannot
	go back and view them.  There are, however, some ways around
	this that I am unfamiliar with.

re<<< Note 9.52 by ROCK::ROCK::FROMM "There is no way to peace;peace is the way." >>>
                      -< the man of a thousand questions >-

>so i type next unseen
>
>do all of the still unseen notes from the base note which i was just reading
>	from get marked as seen?  i'm pretty positive that sometimes this

Yep.

>on a related note, is there a way to get to the next unseen note from a
>	particular base note; for instance, if i don't have the time to read
>	thru all of grateful, but i'd like to see if there are any notes in
>	the DEChead hiking trip note that i haven't yet read, and i don't
>	remember offhand the number of the last reply that i have read

Not that I'm aware of ... you could do Next Unseen fast and furious
until you get to the base note you're interested in, then when you're
done reading that topic, do a SET SEEN/BEFORE=x where 'x' is the date and time
of the first note that showed up when you entered the conference (assuming
you get Next Unseen by default when you enter the conference).  Kind of a
pain though.

>also, is there any way to selectively set seen, by base note/reply, instead
>	of just by date?

I don't think so ... the SET SEEN command works on all notes in the conference;
all you can do is supply a /BEFORE or /SINCE qualifier.

- DC

re     <<< Note 9.54 by VMPIRE::CLARK "leave your stepping stones behind" >>>

>done reading that topic, do a SET SEEN/BEFORE=x where 'x' is the date and time
>of the first note that showed up when you entered the conference (assuming

(This has the effect of setting all the notes you read, while getting to the
base note you're interested in, unseen.)

(-DC)

RE:<<< Note 9.52 by ROCK::ROCK::FROMM "There is no way to peace;peace is the way." >>>

Rich,  Check out the Mark command in notes help, I think that might help you 
out with finding a note in a string of replies when you want to come back to 
it....

Fog

	I was wondering if there was a way to have a private 
	access notesfile running off of a community dial in
	thingy, and how much it would cost?

	So many people are leaving the company but still have 
	computer access, why not start a dechead conference
	that does not reside at this corporation?
	

If you have a PC at home with some spare disk space and some 
bulletin board software installed, and a dedicated phone line, you could always
start up a Dead BBS ... I've never created one so I'm hazy on the details,
but I've dialed into a few ....

- DC

RE: .57

	I was thinking in a simmilar vein on the way in this morning.  Usenet
news is out, since that lets in the whole world, including people who just like
to flame, and you'd end up little better off than rec.music.gdead.  Having the
access be at a specific dial-up point isn't practical since we're scattered all
over.

	The most practical solution I see would be an internet mailing list.
That is, you'd send mail to a given address, and it would forward to the entire
list.  There'd be a separate address to send administrative requests (add/remove
from list, etc.).  As long as we kept knowledge of it by word of mouth and/or
confined it to decheads and ex-decheads (and those recommended by them), it
might keep the (mostly) friendly atmosphere we have here.

	I could set this up (on a non-DEC machine) if anyone is interested.

Mark

Re:          <<< Note 9.57 by EBBV03::SMITH "I took a rebel stand" >>>

>	I was wondering if there was a way to have a private 
>	access notesfile running off of a community dial in
>	thingy, and how much it would cost?

	There are several such entities already in existence.  The
	most well know is The WELL (Ugh - that wa unintentional -
	rilly!).  There is also a bulletin board known as Terrapin
	Station run by sysop Capt. Trips.  There is at least one other
	that I've heard about.

	All that is needed is a PC or MacIntosh or Amiga or some 
	electronic box that can run a terminal emulation program and
	a modem.

	I don't see a need to re-invent the wheel...

	Bob

	Thanks Bob,

	I find the success of Grateful to be highly contributed
	to it's privacy.... I've been into the Well, it doesn't
	have the personalized flavor.

	This one would be for ex-Decheads, Decheads and their
	families and friends only.

	It's time for something beyond the wheel! :-)

    >>        <<< Note 9.61 by EBBV03::SMITH "I took a rebel stand" >>>


    >>  	This one would be for ex-Decheads, Decheads and their
    >>	families and friends only.

    >>	It's time for something beyond the wheel! :-)

    
    I agree completely. 
    
    The telephone just isn't what it used to be.  I've never been into any
    other type of notesfile (like the WELL), but this is so wonderful. 
    It's a great way to "meet" people without really meeting them.
    
    
    sparky
    

    There's lots of good public domain BBS programs out there, mostly for
    PCs and Macs.  You don't need much for a computer, a friend had a BBS
    running on an IBM XT (plain old 8086 for you who don't remember that
    far back).
    
    Scott
    

I've got an old TRS80 Model III sittin' in my garage which I've been thinking
of setting up as an "after hours" BBS, so I woudln't even have to get another
phone line.  I even have bbs software for it. You are welcome to it if your
machine happens to run TRSDOS.  :-) 

Its a pain in the ass being a sysop. trust me. Think I'll donate the equipment 
to that organization in Boston that ships them to third world countries where 
it could do something useful, like maintain medical files or process the 
entire country's census data.

Anybody have there address & number handy???

    Or you could try to get someone on Usenet to create alt.dechead or
    something similar. Or if you don't want to risk the wrath of the
    Corporate Liability Response Team, call it alt.dave :-).
    
    Not exactly private, but not exactly public either. The only problem
    would be that not all sites carry the 'alt.' groups.
    
    gary

	hummmmm, anythings possible I guess... 
	

	I still think a mailing list is the way to go.  I've set one up, and
if other people think it's useful, it'll be used, otherwise, it won't.

	To get on the list, send mail to:

	dead-waves-request@stile.stonemarche.org

	To post, send mail to:

	dead-waves@stile.stonemarche.org

	Mail sent to dead-waves will be forwared to everyone on the list.
The name was chosen to contrast with dead-flames.  Hopefully the water will
help keep the flames down :-).

	While you may tell other like minded people about the list, please
don't post it's availability to unknown people (e.g. dead-flames), since we'd
like to keep the friendly, private nature of this conference.

Mark

re: dead-waves@stile.stonemarche.org

ALRIGHT!!!!  Now there's a mailing list worth it's weight in gold --
whatever that means...

- jeff-who-needs-another-homebrew

i poked around in help and couldn't find the answer; finally i exitted and
decided to use DECwindows notes, where it's pretty self explanatory (choose
"Create New Note..." from the "Notes" menu)

- rich

p.s. this was for a note i entered in another conference, so if you happen to
have any clue about transfering Mac PostScript files to a VAX, feel free to
send me e-mail (i decided not to clog "Ask the Universe" with too many more
technical questions)

re: <<< Note 9.69 by ROCK::CAMPR::FROMM "There is no way to peace;peace is the way." >>>

>                    -< how do you create a new base note? >-

To create a new base note, use the WRITE command.  This is in contrast to the
REPLY command, which merely replies to an existing topic.

adam

    When I tried to access GRATEFUL a while ago, I got back the message
    DEADLOCK DETECTED.  That's one I had never seen before.  Did someone
    lock the dead file????? What does it really mean?
    
    -jer

re                      <<< Note 9.71 by YAHOOS::VASQUEZ >>>
                                -< Deadlock?? >-

>    When I tried to access GRATEFUL a while ago, I got back the message
>    DEADLOCK DETECTED.  That's one I had never seen before.  Did someone
>    lock the dead file????? What does it really mean?
 
Some of the moderators are doing a clean up in here - deleting stale notes, etc.
Sometimes when we're cleaning up, the deadlock error gets generated. 

Just try again.  If it comes up again, try again, etc.

The file is going to be compressed this weekend if all goes according to
plan.

jc_mod.

	I'm trying to enter an article to rec.music.gdead using
	DXRN on my VAXstation and I am able to (post article)
	and get the header thing, then I fill it out and hit
	(send) and it doesn't work.  I get a fatal error message
	that it didn't go through in a separate window.

	Any suggestions?  I really need to make a post!

re: dxrn

i think i've encountered something like that in the past; i think it had
to do with something that was screwed up with the header information

rather than trying to debug that, however, here's a quick solution:

just send it (via regular e-mail) to:

NM%DECWRL::"Dead-Flames@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU"

it will automatically get cross-posted to rec.music.gdead (just like the
PhishNet and rec.music.phish, the dead-flames and rec.music.gdead are one
in the same)

- rich

Deane, do you get the message "No change in article, post aborted" or
something like that?  With a leftover XRNblahblah.JOU file containing your
message?

I've been having that problem too ... I'm going to check out UFP::XRN
... in the meantime I've just been using VNEWS.

- DC

BTW, what server are youse guys using?  (i.e setenv NNTPSERVER huh?)

tim

NNTPD2:: ... is there another one?  I remember there use to be a bunch of
them but I thought the convention was to use NNTPD2 only, now ....

    no, there's other ones.  There's a machine whose home is here at MRO
    named ryn.  Thats what I use...
    
    	Mike

OK, the answer is that you can't run a character-cell editor from XRN.  I
coulda sworn I used to.  Anyways, I changed my editor command from
"edit/edt %s" to "lsedit/interface=decwindows %s" and it works fine.

- DC

                       <<< Note 9.75 by NRSTA2::CLARK >>>

Deane, do you get the message "No change in article, post aborted" or
something like that?  With a leftover XRNblahblah.JOU file containing your
message?

I've been having that problem too ... I'm going to check out UFP::XRN
... in the meantime I've just been using VNEWS.

- DC

	Since being put on AKOCOA I'm unable paste a cut piece 
	of text to a notes window.

	For example, if I were to reply to someones note and I wanted to 
	include an excerpt from that note, I am able to copy the selected
	text, but I just get a "beeep" when I go to paste it.  I suppose
	I will need to redefine a clipboard area or something? 

	Anyone have any ideas on how to solve this utterly terrible problem
	without system priv's?   
	

I've got some similar problems Dean, but this is with xnotes, so it may
be peculiar to that.  I can cut and past between xnotes screens, but 
they seem foreign to regular windows.  If the xnotes window is a decwindow,
that may well explain it.  But I don't know what's happening either.

PeterT

    re: .80 and .81
    
    .80 - What version of notes are your running?  I assume that you are
    	  using DECwindows notes? 
    
    .81 - Is xnotes a Motif application or is it XUI (old DECwindows)?  It
    	  almost sounds like xnotes is not using the clipboard for
    	  cut-and-paste activities.
    
    	dave
    

	Yes, I am using DECwindows notes, although I am unaware of the 
	version.  It is Motif.
	

And I just don't know!!!

PeterT

To find out the version,  pull down the Help menu and look at the On Version
entry.

I'm using DEC Notes V2.4.

There are a couple of ways to cut-and-paste.

First method...QuickCopy:

	In the note to which you are replying, select a block of text with
	MB1.  Move back to your Reply.  Press MB2.  This done below:

>	Yes, I am using DECwindows notes, although I am unaware of the 
>	version.  It is Motif.

Second method...cut-and-paste

	In the note to which you are replying, select a block of text with 
	MB1.  Pull down the Edit menu and select Copy.  Move back to the
	Reply window.  Make sure the text entry window is hilighted.  Select
	the Edit menu and pick Paste.  This done below:

>	Yes, I am using DECwindows notes, although I am unaware of the 
>	version.  It is Motif.
	
Does this help?

	dave

	METHOD ONE TEST:

>	In the note to which you are replying, select a block of text with
>	MB1.  Move back to your Reply.  Press MB2.  This done below:

	Hey!!!! it worked!  :-)  :-)  :-)


	METHOD TWO TEST:

	No!!!! It didn't work  :-(  :-(  ;-(

>	METHOD TWO TEST:
>
>	No!!!! It didn't work  :-(  :-(  ;-(

Please check the version.  My hunch is that it is not V2.4.  This was a
problem fixed in V2.4.

	dave

	Version 2.2

	That is an aweful flaw, hopefully not too many of them made it 
	out the door.

I would strongly suggest you get your support people to upgrade your system to
V2.4.  Yes, it's a nasty bug and it was a looooonnng time coming.

	dave

Hey Mods I just tried to modify the title of a note I just wrote over in
143.last and I didn't have privs to do this!!!   This isn't right, I think.

Josh

ps. TT's name is Herbert not Herman...

    
    are you logged in from the same node you used to write the note?
    

I believe I was.  12X5, my workstation, a hidden node from the WEDOIT/NOKNOK
cluster.  I didn't officially write a _note_, I wrote a reply :-) but I 
think you knew that, and that shouldn't make a difference anyway.

Josh

    he wants to change the title to his REPLY.....can't do that , sorry.
    
    Chri

re <<< Note 9.92 by PONDA::64423::BELKIN "the slow one now will later be fast" >>>
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

if you wrote the note with the above post source, you might have a problem if
you're coming in as:

	PONDA::NOKNOK::BELKIN

jc

Hmm. I was just able to change the reply title, coming in from my workstation
(Not from here, which is NOKNOK::)

I coulda sworn I had tried that before (from my workstation) ... I remember
it was from the same notes-session, from the same window on my workstation,
so I know that would have made it from the same node.  I put in the reply
and immediately realized I wanted to change the title, so I used the same
window, and it didn't work.  But now it does... go figure....

josh

>        <<< Note 9.11 by CSLALL::BRIDGES "The truth to u I'll tell." >>>
>
>       At the notes prompt.
>
>       NOTES>SET PROFILE/EDITOR=(EDT,CALL)



I did this to my notes editor, but I don't like what it did.
How do I get it back to having a split screen after I type
at the notes prompt REPLY?

Thanks

Steve

    
    
    ok, so now i've been upgraded to windows NT and Teamlinks...  can't
    decide if i like it yet or not... some things seem better, other seem
    not so much better... :^)
    
    the teamlinks interface to notes feels funny so i'm using the old one
    for now...  anyone have any clues/pointers/pitfalls/etc to the
    teamlinks interface?  i don't like not being able to see the note
    numbers and reply numbers...  
    
    as a mod, will i need to modify my entry now that i'm on a different
    server?  for now i think it still shows up as being CHIPBZ or ALFA1 or
    2...  will this change things much/at all?
    
    sigh...  just when you think you've got it figured out....  :^)
    
    					da ve

    
    What in the world is Teamlinks???
    
    I've heard of Windows fro Workgroups, NT etc...

what in the world is Teamlinks?  good question...  if i had to describe it i would say it's some sort of object oriented
GUI...  but i don't know if tht's really correct....

all i know for sure is that i am having a hard time figuring out how to do some things that up to now had 
become second nature...

for one thing i am afraid i may now be going over 80 cols with some of my stuff and i HATE when
other people do that so now i might be guilty of being one of "them"... :^)

i can't figure out how to do a "set seen" and i apparently have to recreate my notebook all over
again...

this is the first thing i've written in using this new interface...  hope it works....

					da ve_the_confused

Bzzzzt!  Doesn't do 80 cols too well!  

PeterT

    wow...  i am one of "them" now...  :^)  you know, those annoying
    can't-seem-to-stay-in-80-columns people... :^)
    
    please be patient with me folks...  this is some wierd stuff.......
    it's like being dosed and finding familiar things that are waaaaay
    too strange now!!!  :^)
    
    				da ve_back_in_"normal"_mode_for_a_moment

    Da ve,
    
    We have Teamlinks here and I don't like it.  Can't read stuff easily
    and notes are weird.  Instead, I go lo-tech and use KEA (terminal
    emulation) to simulate a VT environment.
    
    Teamlinks is good for attaching files/spreadsheets etc and sending it
    out via mail.
    
    Fredda

    hi Fredda!
    
    well, at least i know it's not just me... :^)  
    
    i can do terminal emulation via reflections on my pc... (using it at
    the moment) but the environment here is changing, vaxen going away,
    client server is king and all that stufff...    guess i'm going to have
    to just get used to it...
    
    now if i could just figure out why my keypad keys won't work right!!!!
    argh!!! it seems like every time i go back and forth, functions
    chage...
    
    drive me nuts!!!!!
    
    				yeah yeah...  i know...  short trip... :^)
    
    						da ve

    
    Sounds like a bad trip/productivity mongler.
    
    

    
    Oh yeah.  Someone mentioned KEA.  I must say, this little sucker 
    is quite the emulator...and it's so easy to install I thought for 
    sure there had been a mistake.
    
    Does the company that wrote KEA have public stock options?

    here's a dumb question, coming from me :-) ...
    
    I've been using a PC since I moved over to PK2. On my workstation
    there was a key (I think it was the upper right key?) that would
    display the note you had previously read. It doesn't work on my
    PC keyboard. IS there a command to like "read previous note"?
    I can't seem to find it in the help.
    
    - Dave

re:           <<< Note 9.106 by ASABET::DCLARK "voodoo mathematician" >>>

Dumb question ??  That was a good question, one that I had asked in here a 
few months ago ;-);-)

Add the following to a file called NOTES$COMMAND.TPU in your sys$login area
to get KP4 to work for previously-seen-note (and gold-R as described):

Only problem is, you have to run notes with default dir set to sys$login.
I haven't found a way around that.

/Ken

!Put this in a file called notes$command.tpu
!
! define <GOLD>R to toggle display between directory and note
DEFINE_KEY ('NOTES$$SHOW_CTRL_Z', KEY_NAME ("R",SHIFT_KEY),
        "TOGGLE_DISPLAY", NOTES$KT_USER_KEYS);
!
! define KP4 as a clone of KP-
DEFINE_KEY(LOOKUP_KEY(MINUS,PROGRAM,NOTES$KT_NOTESKEYS), KP4,
                   LOOKUP_KEY(MINUS,COMMENT,NOTES$KT_NOTESKEYS),
                        NOTES$KT_USER_KEYS);

    thanks! 
    
    -Dave

I've been using Teamlinks for 3+ years and like it. The scripting for mail 
is great. Not too many problems with the notes client. A friend of mine, 
Tim Sagear (xanadu::sagear) is in the Teamlinks group and might be able to 
help you out. Tell him I sent you, he'll kill me :-)

jeff

>Tell him I sent you, he'll kill me :-)

	oh, geeez. don't tempt us like that!!
	
	;-)
	
	

well, it's day 2 on teamlinks and i'm starting to figure out some
of the stuff that was driving me nuts before...

still not sure if i like it or not though...  some things
are easier, others aren't quite as straightforward
(seemingly) as they used to be...  we shall see....

			da ve

	how do we send mail to you now, da ve?

my mail from CHIPBZ::DWEST is now being forwarded to a mail
server called EMAIL2... so EMAIL2::DWEST should work...
from outside i think that translates to dwest@email2.hlo.dec.com...

what i'm wondering now, is how i need to modify my member
entry?  the mail part is ok, but for access i'm coming in from a
pc, that hooks to an NT server, whose name i'm not sure of...

				da ve

ps. fwiw, it still seems to recognize my mod privs...

<<< Note 9.113 by NECSC::CRONIC::semi3.hlo.dec.com::notes  >>>

	but from this ^ we no longer know who the note is coming from!
	make sure you sign those notes!!!

	also, you'll be sad to know that looking at this with 80 columns,
	you no longer have much of a personal name - it just "the storyt"

	Debess

    question is da ve
    do you know what the real meaning of "chronic"is?
    

Chris,  actually i know a couple of different meanings for "chronic"... 
			:^)

Debess...  bummer...  both in the personal name and the incredibly long
descriptor of where the note comes from!  :^(  the only thing missing
from all that mess is ME!!!  :^)

			da ve

    
    AAACCCCKKK   in a fit of compulsive behaviour (yes i know that could
    be considered redundant) i deleted several notesfiles and now i
    can't figure out what node  CLASSIFIED_ADS is on so i can put it
    back, she said sheepishly.
    
    

    I think it's on HUMANE...
    
    /d

hey da ve:
welcome to the world of NT!
I now have zero non-NT systems in my office, and 3 NT systems!
love NT...
zendia::, my current clusta, is going to be going bye bye.
since we're mostly pc-focused, i came up w/ the idea of hosting
our group on a measly vs4000 vms machine vs. an expensive 6000-based
clusta.  gonna save lots in lab fees, maint, depreciation, fs contracts,
etc...  soon, i will be RAGE::JC !!
i still use NOTES from zendia:: and plan on doing it from
RAGE:: for a while anyways...

    
    Is there a version of Notes that runs on PC? Also, where is the location 
    for employees to download this?
                                  
    Their coming to take our Vax's away soon and I want to be covered.

Hey Deane, if you have a WWW browser you can use the Web/Notes Gateway.
The jumping off place seems to be http://www-notes.lkg.dec.com and this
conference is http://www-notes.lkg.dec.com/necsc/grateful. 

Dan
[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]

if you run teamlinks on the pc there's a notes interface
sith that...  it takes some getting used to but it's ok once 
you get past the differences...

			da ve