Conference rdvax::grateful

	Highgate is a gorgeous place near Burlington VT.

	I'll trade my DEChead shirt for a ticket to the 
	Highgate show! ;-)

    Sounds grate!!!
    
    As Jay will be driving a caravan, I'd like a window seat if no one has
    ne objections ;^)
    
    Andy

	But, I don't like Dodge!!  ;-)
	Actually, I own a Ford Probe. The back seat is a rumor.
	Wish I had a bus tho. A Magic Bus. Driven by Mary Stanley  ;-)

    hey Deane-o, how did you put that note in ? its dated March 16th ?

did anyone else see this ? what the hell happened here ? 
    
    I did a set seen/before=28-apr-1994:15:00
    and it will show up after note .4 but it disappears after I go to the
    next note but its says its 3 but Deane-o's is .3
    
    I also try to extract 403.3 (when I was looking at the note below) and
    it saved Deane-o's note not Mystery's
    
    its been a long day I think
    
    Chris
    -------------------------------
    
    
Note 403.3      the O-fish-al Dead in HIghgate Vt. planning note          3 of 4
MR4MI2::REHILL "Call Me Mystery Hill"                 4 lines  28-APR-1994 16:17


        I hear there are a lot of cows in Vermont.

>    I also try to extract 403.3 (when I was looking at the note below) and
>    it saved Deane-o's note not Mystery's
 
well, when i look at note 403.3, all i see is deano's note.  i can't find
mystery's "cow" note anywhere, other than in your reply

as for how deano is messing things up, and the weird date, i think i have a
clue.  for a while now every time i did a dir i saw something at the bottom
by deano (which may very well have been labeled 403.3), even though at the
time there wasn't a note by that number.  my guess is that however that got
into there, it probably happened on 16-mar (hence the date).  this strange
listing at the end of the dir has now disappeared.  but it would be kind of
odd for deano to post to the exact note and reply number that was previously
appearing as unusal...

- rich

>>    I also try to extract 403.3 (when I was looking at the note below) and
>>    it saved Deane-o's note not Mystery's
 
>well, when i look at note 403.3, all i see is deano's note.  i can't find
>mystery's "cow" note anywhere, other than in your reply

i take this back.  i just posted this, and then started doing "next unseen".
i get to 403.3, and there's mystery's note!  i hit next unseen again, taking
me to 403.4.  i got back to 403.3, mystery's note is gone, and there's deano's
note!  something phishy's going on here...

- rich

    Time warp.
    
    Parallel Universe.
    
    Drugs.
    
    Who knows.
    
    tim
    

weellll  - all I have to say is y'all better be careful on that caravan -- you
might find yourself at the Avalon or sumthin ;^) 

Glennnn

    well all I can say is good its not just me !
    
    so how did Deane-o and Mystery have notes at the same number and only
    one is seen...
    
    but then again, I wanna know what drug I'm on so I can take it again to
    get this effect ;'o
    
    Chris

There is something going on!  I was next unseening away, and got to the 
base note, then worked my way through all the replies, and when I hit next 
unseen on the last reply (.10) it sent me to reply .3, weird.

If Highgate indeed happens it is very likely that camping will be available
onsite, or in designated areas w/in walking distance. 

    
    Great Scott!!! You don't suppose I've invented time travel?? ;-)
    
    Winterland, 12/31/78 please....on the double!!!!
    
    Looking at the date, March 16th, I realize that was my 1st day on 
    PC Notes....perhaps a result of a shaky start. However, from error, I 
    have just learned that notes allows you to pre-enter notes before we 
    all get there.
    
    Interesting!
    
    
    				- Deane'o  

    
    Hummm...I see what you mean about the dual note designation....
    
    And....the t-shirt for ticket offer does still hold!!!!!!  :-)

Hmmm...I dunno where Notes gets its timestamp.  It could also be that
someone did something funky with the system date/time on NECSC.  Remember,
this is a lab cluster with about 100 people who have system manager 
level privileges.

Can always blame it on gremlins...

	dave

I always thought that the server did the timestamp, but maybe the PC client
is funkier than the VMS client.

OH GOD SHOOT ME NOW.

What's the guy, "Mr Rumor List", on the internet name?  Jeff ??  He said
he talked with SMarcus on 4/22 (same day newspaper article was published)
and that VT was off...

who knows!  

more rumors?  we got tons of em....Rae talked to a ticketmaster person who
said it's gonna be Aug 6 and that it was at an old airstrip...

:)  
I personally doubt it'd happen and be much more likely to happen at an 
Oxford Speedway type of place (Lewiston Auburn, Scarboro Downs...) ...
a place where a fence is already in place...

bob

>(same day newspaper article was published)

has anybody actually SEEN the newspaper article, other than on the net?

i wonder if this whole VT thing is just one big extended April Fool's joke.
of course, we do have a note for it now, so it just HAS to happen, right?

- rich

    
    
    To continue in the spirit of hopeful thinking, I have a new (to me)
    truck, and it and I would be ever so happy to give one or more people
    a ride up to Vermont.  It even has an official cap, as opposed to the
    furring-strip-and-Luan "doghouse" on the old one, so I can offer
    camping facilities to 1 or 2, as I'd probably be tenting.   The old
    one, sadly, fell shy of its goal of driving the mean distance to the
    moon (238k miles) by a bare 19k;  it did, however, get to turn up 200k
    on a hot, dusty Ohio road in June, going to last year's Buckeye show.
    
    So I'll top the previous best offer: I'll trade a DEChead V2.0 (your
    choice of medium or large, but the medium has some sand stains from
    diving after Mystery's volleyball spikes) *plus* my old pickup truck for 
    your Vermont Summer Ninety-Four extra ticket!
    
    
    						- Carl
    
    

>The old
>    one, sadly, fell shy of its goal of driving the mean distance to the
>    moon (238k miles) by a bare 19k

so where did it end up, somewhere in orbit? ;^)

ya know, i think we ought to all just head up there anyway and have a DEChead
camping trip in northern VT.  and if we come, the Dead will surely follow!

- rich

    I've seen an official newspaper article on Highgate.  It was in the
    Caledonian-Record, if anyone wants to research this weighty matter. 
    :-)
    
    Jamie

    
    i've also seen it and in an upper valley newspaper = The Valley News =
    which isn't to be sneezed at.  The paper is published in Lebanon, NH and 
    serves what they call the Upper Valley which is pretty much defined 
    locally as north of Manchester NH and Bellows Falls, VT .... all the way 
    to the Canadian border. Excludes the yupped up southern tier of the two
    states. 
    
    Chill - it'll probably go down next week once everyone mails in for the 
    rest o'summer tour.  
    

One thing is for certain, and that's if it does happen it will be at the 
very end of a very long, very tightly scheduled 12-venue toor. Ugh.

    
    
    Naah, it's in my landlord's sideyard at the moment.  An old buddy of
    mine from my fire dept back in Ohio diagnosed it.  He said, "was it
    acting kind of sick, losing power, like its compression was gone?"  
    I said yup.  He said "I *know* what that is.  I've seen *that* before."
    
    I said, "so what was it?"
    
    He said, "moon dust in your carburetor.  Happens every time, when you
    get that close."
    
    
    					- Carl
    

    
    
    	But, let's get back to cows.......
    
    

    ...yeah, if we can keep it in 1 time dimension...that last one rilly
    thru me. I didn't wantta say nething cause I thought it was just me
    at the time {^;
    
    Let's see... seeing as how Jay's caravan isa Ford...and depending on
    if that rivah root is still iced ovah....I'd be up for a moon dust
    gathering trip Carl :^) 
    
    Andy_the_earth_strung_spaceman_;^)

    Hey, I know cows!
    
    Some of my closest neighbors are cows!  About 80 of 'em.
    
    Mooooo!
    
    tim
    

>    	But, let's get back to cows.......


         (__)             (__)             (__)             (__)
         (oo)             (oo)             (oo)             (oo)
  /-------\/-*     /-------\/       /-------\/   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 / |     || \     )*)(\/* /  *     / |     ||
*  ||----||  *   \ |||/)|/()(    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
\/|(/)(/\/(,,/   \)|(/\/|)(/\
  Cow munching   Grass munching   Cow in water       Cow in trouble
    on grass         on cow

    
    
    
    I've never experienced it firsthand, but I understand that's another
    big hazard after you've *passed* the magical 238,000 mark: you've gotta
    look out for the ones that have jumped over the moon.   I was probably
    lucky the old truck gave up when it did.
    
    					- Carl
    

    has anybody caught wind of anything further on Highgate developments?
    chris
    

    Chris, the latest I heard was if it happens, it would be july 13th
    which is not my birthday.
    
    Andy

    
    RE -1
    
     but it is my birthday :-) :-)
    
    Sean

    -1  Well awlright!!! So how you gonna celebrate? :^)
    
    Andy

    OH NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOO
    why can't they make things easier and make this excursion on a weekend?
    
    chris_hoping_that_it_will_END_summer_tour

    July 13 would be Cancer wouldn't it...
    
    well all I heard is it is a no go....but I will not mind being
    completely wrong, this time....
    
    Chris

    I hope i am not grabbing at straws but as of this a.m there was NO
    message on the hotline, usually a precursor to a NEW message!!!!!
    
    chris_knowing_he_is_grabbing_at_straws

Latest from the rumor mill reports Highgate will be July 13th, if Bobby is 
better.

<====
	so, who *hasn't* marked their calendar yet??

	;-)

    
    still talk about Highgate..this is the latest taken from the local
    paper in Mass.
    
    Town officials in Swanton,Vt.,are a bit put out because they say
   a Grateful Dead concert planned for a neighboring town this summer
   could cost their community $28,000 in extra police and fire services.
   The concert could attract 50,000 to 60,000 people,more than the 
   population of all of Franklin County,where Swanton and Highgate are 
   Neighbors.
    Highgate's recreation department will receive an undisclosed sum of
   money to co-sponser the concert.
    
    
    

    seems the more that time passes the idea of a mailorder for this 
    possible venue diminishes....could this turn out to be one of those
    kamikaze shows where they announce ticket sales that week/day/hour?
    

    
     after seeing them do the same thing at Blockbuster Pavilionin Az.,
    last December....ya never know.
    
     IMO ...I think it will happen with no mail order
    
    Sean
    

    
    
    If they do it without mailorder, can anybody suggest the best way to
    go about getting tickets?
    
    					thanks -
    
    					Carl
    

    
    I agree.  I think it'll happen with tickets only at outlets.  Most
    likely when I'm in California just to make my life difficult. 
    For anyone who wants to plan ahead - that means between the 3rd and the
    13th.  ;-)
    

    
    	I seriously doubt that they would do another show without 
    	mailorder, however, the mail order person will be on tour 
    	very shortly.  So if plans continue to be delayed I could 
    	foresee a stealth show happening.  I think it will be a 
    	"mail order starts....TODAY!" type deal.  
    
    	I certainly hope ticketdinkis isn't selected if they do 
    	go the crappy route.

    if it does happen and they don't do a mailorder then sell the tickets
    like they did for those Hartford show back in '90, something like the
    week before....even the scalpers would have a hard time to rip off
    people, never mind the fake ticket makers !
    
    Chris
    

>Hartford show back in '90,

Hartford, or Hampton?  I thought that was Hampton...but exactly what I
was thinking...

tim

    It was Hampton back in '89 when they played under the Warlocks wasn't
    it? they kamikazed that venue as well i believe..

    hummmm anyone see a trend here ? its an "H" factor
    
    only venues that begin with "H" can tickets be sold the week before the
    show.....it could happen !
    
    :')

    I hope they decide soon!  I am going to be on the West Coast for 2 1/2
    weeks in June (leaving June 4 :) so if tickets go on sale during this
    time please get extras!  :-)  :-)  thank you ever so much.....:):):):)
    
    :), danielle

It was Hartford AND Hampton.  At the Hartford show you had to go to western
Mass or Conn. to get a ticket.  

I hope they play in Highgate but since that's their only stop around here
I think it's a bad idea but I'll be there if and when they do as long as I
am not on vacation.  I dunno - Oxford worked out though (and there you didn't 
need a ticket; never saw so many gate crashers collected into one spot for 
any event in my life).

bob

    
    	Yes...
    
    	when I think of Highgate, an similar image of Oxford comes 
    	to mind.
    
    	IMO, Oxford had the best atmosphere of any show I have seen.

    
    at the shows in Oxford, Me....I heard that half way through the show
    they just opened the gates and let everyone come and go as they please,
    ticket or no ticket.
    
    Sean

    same thang  happened in Telluride the last day...
    rfb

    Reardless, everbody and their brother/sister/mother/father
    will be at these shows ticket or no ticket.....i think this scenario
    could turn out a lot worse than Oxford ever thought of being..
    
    chris_cynic

Yea,  Oxford was a wonderful time!  One of my fave times.

From where I was sitting on the bleachers sort of as a base point both days
it went like this:  Everyone waits until show time to try and get in.
X0000 people all try to get in at once.  Some got pissed and came in under
the fence at one end of the field (some!  I should say a steady stream 
for both Feat sets.).  I'm sure there were a lot of people taking advantage 
as well (getting in for free).

But on the 2nd day I think, maybe both, they opened up the turnstiles 
and let everyone in. 

fun time!
bob

    
    	When is this Woodstock II thingy supposed to happen?
    
    	I think it would be a pretty good idea Dead played that same 
    	weekend in VT...I think it would relieve the masses a little 
    	bit.
    
    	If there's enough porta poty's, dumpsters, parking, and
    	medical care availability, there will not be a problem
    	with lot's o' people showing up.  
    
    	Oxford was a zoo, yet it was an amazing event.	

    Woodstock II will be the same dates as Woodstock just the years is
    different and so will the concept of why there is a concert....last one
    was for peace and understanding, this time its for the almight buck.
    
    Chris

Actually Chris, the 1st Woodstock (yup tm) started out primarily for the 
almighty buck (albeit not as blatantly as v2). It wasn't until they could 
no longer control the size of the crowd that it turned into a free show. I 
think the spirit of those attending v2 will be different (i.e., I just 
can't see a 90's version of Wavy Gravy announcing breakfast in bed for 
500,000 people). :-)

peace,

jeff

    
    
    Well, I'm out of time, so I'll say goodbye here.  I got whacked,
    unexpectedly, on Tuesday, and have been hustling to get stuff wrapped
    up ever since.  Here is a hopeful place to say goodbye, anyway, because
    I'm still optimistic that this Highgate thing is going to happen.
    
    It was ironic, but I got TWO certified packages yesterday: the
    "package" from Mother Digital, and a fat envelope from GDTS.  I didn't
    have time to open them both.  My one ticket to Buckeye Lake came
    through!  I can carry one, *maybe* two, if anyone needs a ride...
    
    Could the responsible party please put me on the not-at-DEC list?
    I'll be at "niedner@world.std.com" after this weekend.
    
    Goodbye, DECheads.  Thanks for the warmth of your electronic presence,
    which has brightened many of my days.  I hope to see you all physically
    at shows now and again.
    
    
    					take care -
    
    
    					Carl
    
    
    PS - I'll be at SIS, accepting free congratulatory beers!   ;^)
    
    
    
    
                                 

Best of luck, Carl!

- DC

    so long Carl...hope HIGHGATE happens for ya! have a GOOD TIME! at
    Buckeye Lake.
    
    rfb

    Well seeing as we are in planning MODE here, how about an official
    "Outing to wait in line for tickets for the Highgate Show" type
    gathering?
    chris

    
    ticket price for this show is $32.00 ...this was on the radio in VT.

    My bud Big Bill just called and said WGIR just announced that tickets
    will go on sale at all ticketmaster outlets in New England..
    confirm, refute??Anyone, anyone????
    chris_jonesin' x 10

                              
    Well,,I've made reservations at the following campground if anyone is
    interested. Spoke to some real nice folks up there and they told me
    whole area is excited about having the Dead and their fans up.
    
    This CG is about 15mins from the show site. 
    Lake Carmi State Park 802-933-8383;  cost is $27 per site a nite up to
    8 people per site w/ 2cahs 
    
    I spoke to Rebecca and once she new the reason I was coming up she put
    her manager on the line,..I quess they have quite hrs from 10pm to 7am,
    so what they wanna do is have an area away from the sites for everybody
    to hang out at after the show w/ a possible bonfire,...As she put it
    everyone will still be jazzed up after the show ;-)
    
    check it out,
    Don 

      <<< Note 403.64 by AKOCOA::DMITCHELL "promises made in the dark" >>>

I did the same thing Don.

I spoke with Athena :) who knew what night I wanted a reservation for.  
You need 2 nights to reserve though.  27 must be for a lean-to because
a tent site is something like 12 per night so the total for me ended
up being 27 bucks for 2 nights (that's for 4 people.  extra people mean a 
few dollars per head per night).

re: bonfire 

She didn't mention this to me but sounds like fun.

bob

    
    re.bob
    
    what site # you have??  mine are 21+22 near the lake..
    
    Don

      <<< Note 403.66 by AKOCOA::DMITCHELL "promises made in the dark" >>>
Gee I don't remember.  I wrote it down though...100something. I'm sure
that place'll be packed.

Did you get a lean-to?  

bob
ps.  They are there until dusk (8->8:30) and out and about alot during the
day....she also told me it was the biggest State run campground in VT with
a whopping 250 sites.  

    
    bob...no lean-to...gonna havta 2check my res.. i really think they told
    me 27bux per..???

wait a minute.. mail order starts this Sat, June 11, right?  Did anyone 
post the details of the mail order?  the box number?   Can someone post that?

People are reserving campsites for 7/12 and 7/13?   It it practical to 
reserve for just 7/13 or d'ya think the traffic getting up there around 
noon of 7/13 to dump ya stuff off at the campground, then go to the show
will be too horrendous?  (so thats why people going up the day before?)

I dunno if I can swing 3 days off mid-week in July....  2 would be easier.

Josh

    Josh, I don't think its a mailorder show, but I might have misread the
    note !
    
    Chris

    
    No mailorder for the HighGate shows - TicketMaster on sale date is
    6/11.

    Manchester CD, Ticketshafter extraordinaire, in Manchester NH said
    wristbands will be given out fri a.m. at 10:00...so queue
    up and love life!!!!!!!

i think you could make the show only using 2 vacation days:  take tuesday
afternoon, all day wednesday, and thursday morning off.

i doubt that either driving up on the day of the show or attempting to leave
the night after the show would be realistic.

- rich

Well, I am going to drive up on the day of the show and set up and then head
to the show.  I'll leave at 8:00 as soon as the dog kennel opens and ought
to be up there 3.5+ hours later.  That should give me time to at least pitch
a tent and head to the show by say 1 or 2.  

Do you really think that's unrealistic?  

bob

    Rich
    it is Vermont and all so arriving that day shouldn't be a hassle..
    
    chris_who_arrived_in_Nassau_for_friday's_show_a_1/2_hour_before_the_lights
    went_out_inside

    Don't be so sure, we encountered a small traffic jam at dawn the day of
    the first Oxford show.  We left Worcester around midnight, with no
    stimulants but coffee and Dead tapes.
    
    Jamie

Ticketmaster?    Wrist bands at 10 AM Friday the only way to get tix?
I sure can't deal with that - gotta job ya know!

No phone orders?   Looks like I might as well forget about 7/13...

josh

No Phone orders?  or was that just the Manchester version of 
TicketMonster sales?

Hey Bob, I've got a site right across the street from you: 103, for
7/12 and 7/13...

tim

    Here in Salem NH, wristbands will be given out Fri., 10:00 am at
    Spinout Records on Main St. A mere 5 min drive.
    
    Andy

    phone orders are still allowed i believe....in Nude Hampster the 
    # is 603-626-5000....Speaking of campgrounds, Tim, i am neighboring
    you and bob and mr mitchell....site #10 near the
    water.AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
    chris
    

Auggghhhh.... so should i reserve a campsite, before I get tix, since its
very unlikely I get a ticket?  Or figure pitching a tent/riding up/etc
with someone who already has a campsite?    

J

    Josh
    it seems to be the approach we all are taking, hop on up with 
    one of us and camp at Lake Carmi...
    chris

i reserved site #20, for 7/12 and 7/13

cost is $12 for the site per nite assuming 4 people.  additional people are
$3 xtra per nite.  2 car limit per site, additional cars park in the day lot.
there's also a $3 reservation fee.  assuming 4 people, that comes to $27 for
2 nites.

i don't have specific plans with anyone yet, i just reserved a site.  so if
people want to hop along, let me know.

the place sounds nice, and the lady on the phone was very friendly.

- rich

>Auggghhhh.... so should i reserve a campsite, before I get tix, since its
>very unlikely I get a ticket?

why do you say very unlikely?  it's in the middle of the week in the middle
of nowhere.  i think that'll cut down on the numbers.

you will, however, probably see a number of people taking a break from phish
tour to go to highgate, since they will be nearby.

they send you a confirmation in the mail, and they want you to pay then.  so
you don't have to commit any money yet.

- rich

    phone orders - yes (New England charge_by_phone #'s only)
    
    TicketMaster - yes (New England TM's only is the rumor)
    
    MailOrder - no
    
    Campsites - reserve 1 if ya want - suppose ya can always cancel

during both the wristband hand-out and the on-sale time i will be en route to
provincetown, cape cod via bicycle.

so, if someone is getting tickets and is not already at the maximum (what is
the max, anyway?), could someone please oh please oh please oh please get me
one?

adTHANKSvance,
- rich

    The  charge by phone operator said she had a NY # as well fer tix
    so i assume they will be selling them in upstate New York as well..
    

>                     -< anxiety sets in..at least no MOSS >-

so what, it's just replaced by TMSS!

but at least it'll be over quicker.

- rich

>According to my VT map, Lake Carmi is about 10 miles from Highgate Center,

the lady said the campground was about 5 miles from the show.

>Let's plan on some grouping of
>people to sites so we all don't have our own personal sites with no one to pair
>up with.

we may soon be approaching having enough sites already.  like i said, i've
got one and can take people on it.

- rich

Lisa Yetto has been in contact with me and others in this file to try to
organize (oh god, that word!) a DEChead camping situation at some campground
near the show.  It looks like the Lake Carmi campground is becoming the de
facto standard.  I say let's run with it.  Has anyone reserved a site at
another camprground? (cancel it! :-))

According to my VT map, Lake Carmi is about 10 miles from Highgate Center,
which is at the intersection of Rtes. 78 and 207.  The lake is bordered on the
east side by Lake Carmi State Park, and is just west of Rt. 236.

(adam picks up the phone and calls VT)

OK, I just reserved site 23 for the 12th and 13th.  The site works out to $27
TOTAL, which is $12 a day for 2 days = $24 plus $3 reservation fee.

I am alone so far on my site so I can take another tent and car, and each site
holds up to 4 people without incurring the $3 per person per day extra.  There
are 176 sites.

I had a nice long conversation with the manager.  The sites in the 20's are
near a bathroom, they do have showers, you can swim in the lake, they are real
psyched to have us there, the place is about 1/3 full now, they will have an
overflow area (which is just a huge lawn) for the proposed bonfire after the
show and for people who just show up with no reservations (and they will pay
extra).  They will have sheriffs and their own people driving through during
the day Wed and during the show for security.  The place is run by the VT Youth
Corps or something like that and they are a "liberal" campground.  THey
acknowledge it's going to be a late night on Wednesday!

adam

    here is a note from Lisa, I sent her a little bit of news on what you
    people are already doing for this show.....I'm sure you can somehow get
    together on this !!!
    
From:	US1RMC::"LOTA@db1.cc.rochester.edu" "Lisa Yetto @275-9139"  8-JUN-1994 13:50:41.14
To:	spice::fields
CC:	GRG@WORLD.STD.COM
Subj:	Chris, can you post this and forward it to the @notadec list please? Thanks!!!!  /Lisa


Hey now!!

well with the Vermont shows really happening Gerry and i decided it'd be fun to
get a large group camping.  Don't mistake this for an attempt to organize you
cretins :-)  we simply are going to reserve 10 sites at a campground in Vermont
for July 12 and 13 and offer them out for you people to join us first come,
first serve.  So, if you are interested in joining us please email me or ger. 

	Lisa email: lota@db1.cc.rochester.edu
	Ger email:  grg@world.std.com

We decided to jump the gun and deal with this this way (rather than lengthy
discussions and votes) so we could actually find campgrounds with a group of
sites still available.  We are making reservations at a campground which is
maybe 20 miles SE of Highgate.  According to the map that location offers us a
few alternatives for a route into the show which is definitely a plus (anyone
remember Maine with it's 1 road?)  Anyway this place offers tent sites for
$10.50 (one tent per site, two people per tent) and your other basic camping
stuff ... bathrooms, showers, jacuzzi .. ooops I got carried away!  :-) 

Should I need to use my CC for reservations, I will definitely be expecting
money (checks, deposits into my dcu) to hold each of your reservations so I
don't have to shell out $200+ for too long! The reservations are for July 12
and July 13.  If this doesn't jive with your plans let us know but we may offer
priority to people planning on staying two nights.  We can always give you the
name and # of the place and you can make your own arrangements for one night if
that works out. 

So, if'n your interested let one or both of us know asap.  We need to know how
many tents (sites), how many people per, and the dates you are interested in.
Unless we get more than 6 yes' before we make the reservations we only plan to
hold 6 or so sites.  If we don't fill all the sites say, within a week, I'll 
probably call back and cancel a few.

Lisa

PS.  btw; it was nice talkin to ya' again!  :-)

PPS. Adam, if you join us remember your breadcrumbs!!!!  ;^)  ;^)

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>We are making reservations at a campground which is
>maybe 20 miles SE of Highgate.

>Anyway this place offers tent sites for
>$10.50 (one tent per site, two people per tent)

well, since we've already started making reservations at a place that's only 5
miles away and can fit up to 8 people per site, i think we ought to stay with
that, and someone ought to send mail to lisa and invite her to join us.

- rich

    please do that !!!! I just talked to her, and she would rilly like to
    do such a thing....
    
    I sent her the number of the place that you all are booking....
    
    I told her I would be her noter, but if you have something to say to
    her please go for it her address is posted in .92 and so is GerG's.
    
    I must say that she was damn surprized to see such fast work on our
    part in getting the ball rolling ! she is mighty proud of us too :')
    
    Chris

Now don't forget that little hint I let you guys in on, TicketMaster
has something like 70 lines, numbered from 2000 (or whatever) down.
If'n you can't get through to the main number, try 2001, 2002, etc.
Apparently this works, but it doesn't do much other than get you 
past the busy signal.  You still have to wait for an available operator,
but that's not tooo bad.  I still haven't made up my mind about
going.  It's a bit of a bad time for my wife to take off (in between 
2 weeks our daycare provider is taking off, so it would be hard to
take more time off from work.  And yes, I'll probably take some time
off around then too.)  But she's sort of given me an OK if I can 
find someone to go with.  I'll have to figure out the guilt quotient
and see if I can live with it ;-)

PeterT

>Now don't forget that little hint I let you guys in on, TicketMaster
>has something like 70 lines, numbered from 2000 (or whatever) down.
>If'n you can't get through to the main number, try 2001, 2002, etc.
>Apparently this works

i know that people have said that it works some times, but i've never had
any luck with it.

i have, however, gotten tickets by getting an at&t operator to speed-dial for
me!

- rich

What time do tix go on sale via phone, on Sat?

Josh

Rae works next to the Manch CD and the woman there said 9:00 a.m.

So as for what PeterT said about 2001,2,3->70 or whatever...I tried this
and I can't remember but it didn't seem to work....I'll try again maybe.

re:  at&t operator to speed dial the ticket number

A smooth talking Rich!


bob

Psyched i caught this... i'm so f*$(&#^g busy here at work... a small window
of time to check grateful..


anyways, i called the CG. mentioned... i'm in site 106, near Mr. Hapgood & Co.


jul 12 and 13.



now, for the tickets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Call 10 minutes early, and babble until the tix go on sale...;-)

"What about that Julio Eglesias concert at Great Woods in July, got
anything on that one yet?  Really?  How much?  Hmmm.  Not sure I
have enough cash for that.  What seats do you have open?  Hang on a
second, the kid just stuck is hand in the toaster....thanks...now,
about that Elton John show?  Hey, by the way, are the Dead tickets 
open yet?"....


tim

All at the same place;  that's great.  I thought for sure this show would
be a few days later when I was down in NC/SC visiting all my family but I
"got lucky".

There's a few other shows going on sale as well on saturday so those phones
will be working OT.

bob

Whooaaahhh - ohhhhh what I want to knowww--ooooo, is 

    --->  what time to the damn tickets go on sale by phone?   <---

        ????????????

    9:00 a.m.

>Call 10 minutes early, and babble until the tix go on sale...;-)

i did this for phish @ the beacon theatre.  got thru at 9:51 and asked
questions about anything that i could think of (i started running out of
things to ask for) until 10:00.

- rich

    more info from Lisa....
    
    
    ****
    Heh heh, great minds think alike.  Lake Carmi sounds great and even
    better
    there is no organization needed on my part!  :-)  So I got a sight for
    me
    and ger (and TOTD) ... #4, right on the water and across the street
    from 
    Mr. Grady.  By the way Tim, when I mentioned your name she laughed and
    said
    she remembered you!!!  :-)  Do tell!!!!!  ;^)  ;^)
    
    someone ought to tell the other non-digits (like dc, debess etc) about
    this
    plan...
    
    And I still say Adam needs to bring breadcrumbs!!!
    
    Lisa_psyched_for_Vermont!!
    
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    I sent the following to the not at dec gang, FYI....
    
    Hi everyone !
    
    its me Chris Fields :')
    
    although Im not going to highgate I have somehow become the O-fish-al
    where the hell should we camp info director :')
    
    below you will find some very good pointers on where to call (matter O
    fact its just one place :'))
    
     Lake Carmi State Park 802-933-8383;
    
    most of the DECheads have already started to get sites
    
    give them a call and tell them you know Tim Grady, they will laugh a
    good hardy laugh and then set you up with a site near him Im sure :')
    
    well thats it for now, if you need to post something to GRATEFUL send
    them to me and I will pass it on. I will not be working tomorrow
    (friday June 10th, but I will log on from home to check my mail)
    
    
    Oh yeah I guess tix go on sale Saturday AM at TicketMaster(baters) call
    them up to see what time and if they are selling the tixs at the outlet
    of you choose.
    
    peace
    
    Chris

Well, I checked with Amy, and since her sister is about to have twins any day
now, and she is likely to leave me with Hannah and Dan for a few days to
help out, my guilt quotient is clear and I have the go ahead for a solo 
trip.  So.... assuming I get a ticket, and no other bozo's hook up with
me, could I scam into someone's site with a small tent and small car?
Probably head up that morning and need a place to sleep after, along with
other dechead agenda's.  Costs shared, of course. I hates standing on
line since I no longer have the enough time to take off and hang out overnight
or whatever, so I guess I'll be putting my own advice to the test.  Can't 
hurt....

Later,
PeterT

Anyone know if you can camp at the airport?  You know and extra X bucks lets
you stay the night all the time dodging broken glass, beer bottles, fireworks,
drunken people, smiling people ... 

:)
bob

    i predict they sell out by the end of the weekend, no problem.
    
    

<<< Note 403.107 by QUARRY::petert "rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty" >>>

>So.... assuming I get a ticket, and no other bozo's hook up with
>me, could I scam into someone's site with a small tent and small car?

you can stay on my site (#20)

it's currently just me, deane, and possibly one more.  up to 8 are allowed.

i believe they said something to the effect that after tuesday night they are
going to be parking all of the cars in the day lot.  or maybe that was just
starting wednesday after the show.  not sure exactly, but the gist of it is
that they're trying to control the traffic within the campground.  so, if you
don't show up until wednesday, you may have to walk your stuff from your car to
the site.

- rich

p.s. we probably also ought to try to arrange carpooling to minimize the
# of vehicles heading up.  i can fit 3 people plus gear in my car.

    
    	I am thinking that there may not any way to get out of the 
    	Showplace after the show....I can recall being trapped in 
    	Oxford Me. for a couple days....especially if cars are going
    	to be parked on side streets....ya know?

    ....re.-.1
    or getting into the campground along the same lines...anyone camp in
    Dover Lake campground in Richfield? that place was HELL getting into 
    summer tour 92....by the time we got back to our tent and carried
    our provisions back to the spot it was close to 4 a.m.

Peter:
	Looks like I'll be making a solo run to VT (assuming tickets) and 
would be happy to car pool. I have a car, but no tent.
	
	FWIW, I called the Coconuts here in Nashua (down by Barnes & 
Strobel Books) and they're handing out 200 wristbands, starting at 10am 
tomorrow. I was planning on trying to sneak down from ZKO.

jeff

    
    	How about the shafter scene though....
    
    	Will the local mass outlets also be handling this show
    	or need I venture north?
    
    	Ken

>                       -< What about Mass tik outlets? >-

i just spoke with a mass outlet.
they WILL be selling tickets.

wristbands start at 10 am on friday, they will have 200 wristbands.
ticket sales start at 9 am on saturday.
there are no other shows going on sale at that time on saturday.

tickets are $32, general admission.  extortion fees unknown at this time.
at the outlets, cash only.
6 ticket limit per person.

- rich

    you guys are going to be all worn out days and days before the
    show if you don't start pacing your worry time!
    
    c

<------  :-)

    As far as getting from the cg to the show then back, I'm contemplating
    on bringing my bike along. Might even do some other riding as well.
    
    Andy

Hey Andy, I was just thinking the same thing...

Disturbed minds think alike.

tim

    
    What, me worry? ;-)

>    As far as getting from the cg to the show then back, I'm contemplating
>    on bringing my bike along.

i'd love to do that, but i am a little concerned about leaving my bike
unattended outside of a concert.

someone determined enough can break thru any lock.  or even if it is locked up
well, it's pretty simple to strip a bike of its components.

i still may do it (and i used to leave my bike unattended all the time at
school), but i am a little worried.  i hate to be paranoid, but after my
experience at the buffalo show last year i'm not quite as trusting of
strangers as i used to be.

- rich

    Hey Rich...why not go out and get a 'beater bike' to use for these
    types of situations...yanno, an ol' stingray that you can chain to
    a post and not worry bout people strippin' the derailers and stuff...
    you could probably find one for under $50 and it's be handy for just 
    gittin' round,
    
    only a thought,
    			dugo

I had considered the bike thing for about as long as it took to propagate 
through my mind. BUt not on this date, if we can make it biking is out 
of the question. 

	Hey Adam, D'you still have an empty site?

Geoff   Remaining optimistic  

	(wow, an RO filter just took on a new meaning! Alot cheaper than 
the water kind)

    wristband #022221. now to see where that comes up on Sat. :^}
    
    Andy

    
    2nd highgate show; sure is possile w/ 2 days off before RFK..
    
    
    

	dialing fingers in position......................

	we're in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




	deb dialed and got 'em at about 5 after 9.

	man, at 9am, the circuits JAMMED UP HAHHHHHHD 




psyched!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    too
    Just got through 2
    
    Hmmm, did that look ok.  Hard to tell with this keyboard and editor.
    
    What I meant to say, and I'll be careful now.  Just got through too.
    but about 10:15 or so, and then waited for about 5 minutes with
    "Thanks for calling all tied up next available ....."
    
    And then they kept asking me to speak up, sigh.....  Must be in 
    major mumbling mode today, or it's a bit loud in their office.
    But picked up 4, just for a round number. 2 reserved for a 
    friend (the juggernaut) who MAY go, but isn't really sure at the
    moment, and 1 for extra's.
    
    As far as the dialing experiment went, I tried a few 20xx numbers
    and they all seemed tied up.  2042 got somebodies answering machine
    in an accounting office.  Could be ticketmasters I guess, but
    it did seem to be a personal line.  Never got more than a busy
    on any of the others.  However, as compared to 2000, they were 
    ta bit less 
    uh, hum, a bit less travelled on.  I started out upstairs with
    the cordless phone, and then went downstairs to press the the modem
    line  into service.  Weird.  At points I was getting stereo 
    busy signals.  But about 70% of the time, the 2000 number would
    ring and then "We're sorry, all circuits are busy.  Try your call
    again later.  Worcester Tandem."  The other numbers didn't get that 
    at least.  The kids were hanging off me half the time too.
    But then Amy took them out, and I decided to try using the computer
    to dial up one of the phones and take the strain off my head
    when TicketMaster finally picked up.
    
    Of course now, with our lack of communication, I'll be in good
    shape if I actually get the tickets!  Her read back address 
    seemed mostly okay, though I did have to ask to change the
    Maine to Massachusetts :-(   At least she had the zip
    right!
    
    Well, beats standing on line.
    
    See you there, one way or another!
    
    PeterT
    

	we got tickets at a place in fitchburg, w/o waiting in line.
	i was told there was a place in gardner that gave out <10
	wristbands. n e 1 know if it sold out yet?

I actually spoke with someone last night who didn;t get tickets. He didn't 
connect on the phone until 2:30 and at that point said they were sold out. 
Over all it sound like it was pretty easy to get tickets though. DC said he 
walked into an empty place at 1:00PM and picked up tickets. Debess spoke of 
Filiens (SP?) in Nashua not being happy about being invaded by deadheads.

    re.-1
    yeah dc n' i drove down to coccnuts in so. nashua after i stopped at
    his house around noon to see if he got tix..he said they called
    all a.m with no luck and when i told him about how easy it was in salem
    he called the nashua location and they said come on down!!!!!!!!!
    As for filenes, TOUGH SH*T!!!!!!!if they want to sell tix along
    with hoitey-toitey garments, theyse gotsta be prepared to deal....
    chris

    well, panic is over....Karen and I will be there
    
    Thanx to da ve & Rochelle !!!

    Gots mine also at the Salem TB outlet. Possibly *FRONT ROW* too!!! :^)
    
    Andy_who_says_if_you've_gotta_wait_in_line,_it_might_as_well_be_a_deadhead_
    _line_:^)

>    Gots mine also at the Salem TB outlet. Possibly *FRONT ROW* too!!! :^)

Hey, but I was told I got FRONT ROW too!!!

Seriously, you kind of wonder when they tell you they are giving you the 
'best available seats' when you know it's a general admission!

PeterT

    Karen and I will only be staying 1 night (Wednesday) at the campsite...
    does NE1 still have space in their site for a 2-man tent and vehicle ??
    
    I haven't called the campground yet, but I recall they're not doing
    reservations for just 1 night ??
    
    thanx in advance,
    
    Wes

    Two man tent...where the heck is Karen sleeping....*;')
    

<---- HEY! who called the PC-police???
	
	
	
	;-)

    re: .133
    
    andy, your signature line reminds me of that one liner from one of the 
    dead_movies : if all the 'heads who had ever waited online for tix were
    placed end to end, they would reach to the moon, and no one would
    complain'  :-)
    
    

    
    me and john shep would like to hook onto someone's campsite.  anyone
    got space for wednesday nite for our truck.  we'll be sleeping in it.
    
    carol

    RE.136   we're close

I got tix, so now I'm looking for a campsite to stay at... Rich?  Tim?

I have 2 extra tix, too.

thx, Josh

    Josh
    my pop has space on site 124..he has room fer 2 more
    lemme know
    chris

>                          -< Is Rich's site filled? >-

i've had 3 people so far express tentative interest in hopping on my site.
no clue how many xtra people besides those 3 that would be.  but there's
an 8 person max, so i probably still have some space.

- rich

    anyone else besides Rich with space for that 2-person tent ??   that's
    a little more PC, right ??
    
    is Philadelphia the city of Brotherly, Sisterly, or Personly Love ??

    AHHHH that would be HUMANLY love Mr Gender Relations...
    :^)

Well, lessee....I've got a site.  I've got a ticket.  I thought I might need
another, but I don't.  One thing I don't have: a tent.

So Josh, ya got a tent?  ;-)

tim

    
    The city of "Free Love"... ;-)

    i love LOVE and humans are alright...but a spare tent???  Actually i do
    have an OLD Academy tent that is functional...complete with a fly...and
    no we ain't talkin' trowsers here....
    
    It's free for the takin' here at MLO to the first person who drops me a
    line....
    
    Oh, and YES it is a 'two person' design and NO, no one has ever blown
    lunch in it....
    
    Dugo

    	PEOPLE IN VERMONT TOWN PREPARE FOR DEAD FANS 
    
    	(AP) HIGHGATE VT. - Residents of Highgate are waiting with a
    mixture of anticipation and apprehension for the arrival in a month of
    the Grateful Dead and an estimated 60,000 fans.
    	Town officals and concert organizers chose the town's 40 acre
    Franklin County Fairgrounds as the site for a concert by the legendary
    rock band, which has been playing all over the country for 30 years.
    	The July 13 concert is expected to be the largest ever held in
    Vermont.
    
    MIXED FEELINGS
    
    	Residents of the rural community near the Canadin border expressed
    mixed feelings about the onslaught.
    	Carl Martel, who is 70, agreed to let a Kielbasa vendor set up on
    his front lawn for $500.
    	"Everybody's out to make a buck," Martel said. "Now is the time to
    take advantage of it."
    	Mark Kemp, 37, the owner of a local convenience store, said he was
    buying a couple thousand cases of beer for the week, the amount he
    usually sells in three months.
    	He said he had learned that Grateful Dead Fans favored Heineken,
    Beck's and Rolling Rock.
    	"They're 50 years old now," Kemp said. "they don't have to buy 16
    oz Pabst."
    	Kemp, whose store is a mile west of the concert site, said he
    believed other supplies might be in demand.

>bring what you'll need !!
	
	and enough to share too.   ;-)
	
	(I keep adding to my list)

   >         He said he had learned that Grateful Dead Fans favored
   > Heineken,
   >     Beck's and Rolling Rock.
   >         "They're 50 years old now," Kemp said. "they don't have to buy
   > 16 oz Pabst."
    
    HAHA!
    
    That's a riot!  I really can't wait for this show...it's gonna be 
    a good one!

    a couple 1000 cases of beer, do ya think he'll have enough though ?
    
    at least the town shop owners will make a few extra bucks ! thats good
    to know !

    think of the bucks the gas stations'll make with 20K 
    empty gas tanks rolling into town 

    
    Still looking for space for wednesday nite (see reply .138).  I'll
    even through in some food!
    
    carol

    still looking for ground, space, whatever you want to call it as
    well...for just Wednesday night.....
    
    hmm, maybe I'll throw in a beverage from north of the border
    
    Wes

60,000 Deadheads will spill a couple thousand cases worth of beer,
before the show ever starts.

tim

Rich, I don't think I formally took you up on your site offer, so I'll just
become a little less tentative now that I have tickets (hopefully ;-) on
the way.  Realize I may have to pack it in, but I don't anticipate having
anything that heavy on me (unless I decide to bring the scope along too?)

PeterT

Ok, gang, let's get this organized.  We've got a certain number of campsites, and a
different number of people, but I can't believe we wouldn't be able to fit everyone...
I suggest a communist approach, and getting everyone who doesn't yet have a place to 
camp, into a site that still has room.

I'll help organize this if people are willing to cooperate and share the space. 

Anyone been to Lake Carmi?  Are the sites really big enough to handle three or four
tents and six or eight people?

Well?  Whadaya think?

tim

<--- you can't even fit all the characters on the screen and you're
	gonna get everyone into x campsites ???
	
	
	;-)   :-)

Hey, it works on my screen just fine....:-)

...but obviously I've got a problem...I hate it when that happens.

...so?  I think it would be a riot to get everyone we possibly
can into Lake Carmi whom we know, and spend the three days
(7/12-7/14) partying our brains out together.

tim

    
    I need room too... but I'm not sure for how many...  I tried
    calling the campground today and couldn't get an answer....???
    
    MJ

    
    RE: .159    :-)  :-)
    
    and watch out Tim, we're happy to put some adult in charge and it
    might as well be you!!!!! 
    
    

	i think i need a bigger screen  ;-)
	
	maybe we should start with a list of known site #s
	c'mon tim, do some organizing  ;-)
	
	the "partying our brains out" goes without saying.
	
	-rfb

    
    	A friend of mine called Carmi and they've booked all the
    	sites - there will still be room for the `overflow' crowd 
    	in the day use area though...
    
    	This is sounding *alot* like the Veneta 3rd Decadenal shows
    	that I flew out to Eugene for not to happen (?!?!) All this
    	*CRAP* at DEC lately just may be purged in a 3-7 day `party
    	our brains out' in the wilds of Vt!!!!!!!
    
    	I need this in a big way - I just hope I can hold out!
    
    	BTW: I'm in site 44 I think, but am already packing more than 
    	capacity.
    
    	Ken

    Let's be orderly about things---
    those WITH campgrounds list who is crashing there......
    mine-me, dc steve maaahtin and some friends from home, Steve Pentlicki?
    my pop-carol, john shep, cathy sloan friends from home
    
    josh you all set bud?

    Steve Pentlicki is in. Thanks %^)
    
    signed,
    
    Steve Pentlicki

I too could use a spot at Lake Carmi campground.  This would be 1 tent for 2.
   Craig

    I thought we were already acting like Communist, we all standing around
    doing nothing and acting like we don't work here !
    
    :')
    
    Chris_whos_still_not_going_but_ya_never_know_no

I like this, Tim says let's orgaize and I'm realing in shock, that's like  taking
a vote. BUt at least he doesn't try to keep it on one screen. Then we decide to 
organize by who needs sites, who wants sites, who has sites, who's going and 
who's not going.  It's comforting to know that in the threat of organization 
all the DECheads react with a vote. I wonder which is going to be more fun, 
organizing this or going to it?  ;^)

	I don't know if I'm going yet. It depends on on wheather or not I get 
tickets first. From what I hear it's a 99.9 (or it that .5) % chance we can get
them. Then the intensity of surgical procedures five days before the show has 
an influence on the go/no go situation. And if those all work to allow us to
go I'll then need a campsite space for three. So this variable constant should 
make for easy organization. Just don't forget us.

	It'll certainly be more fun than work
Geoff

    RE:"intensity of the surgical procedures..."
    
    careful with that ax Geoff! don't dance too much with stitches!
    
    rfb

    I am looking for anyone who has camping accomodations at Lake Carmi for
    the highgate show.  I do have an extra ticket to sell if I can find a
    place to stay........any suggestions???
    
    
    Todd Nicholson

	No this is not my surgery, I did that in '87 before the RFK shows. 
My surgen said "don't drive", it was only 10 hours I didn't cheat much. 

This time it's Robyn, I had three weeks to recover, she gets three days 
before the drive. So it could be a no go for that. And if I need to pick 
priority between Robyn and Highgate, Robyn get that priority.

Geoff

    yes indeed...keep yer priorities straight, errr in a a line.
    
    good luck robyn
    
    rfb

ok, before trying to plan who can go where at the campground, let's try to get
ahold on just what sites we have, and then people can fill in the list with
open spots for people.

i scanned thru this note trying to find site info, and here's what i found so
far.  feel free to add to or modify this list:  (including info about # of
people and xtra spots)

- rich


who				site(s)

AKOCOA::DMITCHELL		21,22
SMURF::HAPGOOD			100 something?
SALEM::LEBLANC			10,124
ROCK::FROMM			20
NACAD::SIEGEL			23
BIODTL::JC			106
LOTA@db1.cc.rochester.edu	4
BIGQ::SYMONDS			44

    Are those spots all at Lake Carmi?
    How far is the show from Lake Carmi?
    
    Steve

    yes and 5 miles...a mere walk in the paahhhk

Add me to the list

who				site(s)

AKOCOA::DMITCHELL		21,22
SMURF::HAPGOOD			100 something?
SALEM::LEBLANC			10,124
ROCK::FROMM			20
NACAD::SIEGEL			23
BIODTL::JC			106
LOTA@db1.cc.rochester.edu	4
BIGQ::SYMONDS			44
LASSIE::GRADY			103

mee too    


who				site(s)

salem::burns                    25
AKOCOA::DMITCHELL		21,22
SMURF::HAPGOOD			100 something?
SALEM::LEBLANC			10,124
ROCK::FROMM			20
NACAD::SIEGEL			23
BIODTL::JC			106
LOTA@db1.cc.rochester.edu	4
BIGQ::SYMONDS			44
LASSIE::GRADY			103

    MAIL ME AT AIMHI::NICHOLSON IF YOU CAN HELP ME OUT WITH THE CAMPING
    SITUATION...HAVE 1 EXTRA TO SELL FOR HIGHGATE.

    Does anyone have any extra camping space for a few people at least 2
    maybe 4???? I have an extra ticket to sell for the favor.....
    e-mail me at AIMHI::NICHOLSON
    Thanks
    Todd

    if you have not received your acknowledgement from the camp group it's
    because they "ran out of stamps"  seems the state only allots them a
    certain number so letters may be late getting to you.  i called this
    morning and spoke to Mark.  he said to have anyone that wants to just
    call know and confirm over the phone by credit card.  the number is
    802.933.8383.   see you all there!!!! 
    
    dorothy  :-)

>    if you have not received your acknowledgement from the camp group

thanks for the info.  i was beginning to worry.  i think i'll call right now.

- rich

>anyone that wants to just
>    call know and confirm over the phone by credit card.  the number is
>    802.933.8383.

has any one been able to get thru to this number lately?  i've been trying
periodically for several days and always just get a busy signal

- rich

does anyone know if there's any camping at the site of the show?

- rich

>has any one been able to get thru to this number lately?  i've been trying
>periodically for several days and always just get a busy signal

nevermind, i just got thru.

- rich

    Rich,
    
    The flyer they gave me when I bought my tix says:
    
    "Please note absolutely NO VENDING OR CAMPING will be permitted 
    on these premises!!  ALL PARKING LOTS AND AREAS AROUND THE VENUE
    WILL BE CLEARED IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE SHOW - PLEASE COOPERATE!!
    Please do not go to the venue on this tour the day before the show or
    too early on showday.  You will be harming the band's relationship
    with the land owners and the community."
    
    "The show will start at 6:00 PM.  DOORS WILL OPEN AT 4:00 PM
    PARKING LOTS WILL OPEN AT 8:00 AM."
    
    Steve

>    Please do not go to the venue on this tour the day before the show or
>    too early on showday.

>    PARKING LOTS WILL OPEN AT 8:00 AM."

oh, and i was hoping to get in the lot at 6 am  ;-)

- rich

    has ne1 heard what they'llallow to be brought in to the site,
    ie:coolers, grapefruits, knives, firewoks, etc...?

    i heard they are only allowing bags of broken glass and handguns
    without serial numbers into the campsite Andy...

i got my tix from ticketshafter.
i got my conf. from Lake Carmi and sent them $27.00 for the 2 nights.


ya mon rasta!

    
    my cousin talked to the ranger person at lake carmi last nite and they
    plan on running shuttle buses to and from the show..my cousin had one
    question: is there room for coolers on the bus ;-) 

    RE: .189 - good one Chris!!!  I love it!  
    
    glad to hear the lots open at 8 a.m. - that'll give all us of 
    ample time to plan for time release meds
    
    

    Steve here again with is stupid flyer; it says:
    
    4.  THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE NOT ALLOWED ON THE PREMISES:
    Alcoholic beverages, illegal drugs or controlled substances 
    (including nitrous oxide), glass or metal containers, fireworks or 
    incendiary devices, or knives or weapons of any type.  IT IS ILLEGAL
    TO DRINK OR HAVE OPEN CONTAINERS OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN PUBLIC 
    including in the parking lot, in your vehicle, or inside the building.
    Uniformed and plain clothes Police Officers as well as officers from 
    the Liquor Control Board will be patroling the parking lots and inside
    the facility, so please obey the laws.
    5.  Before entering the facility you may be asked to display
    the contents of any item in your possession.  If you do not want to
    comply with this request you must return the item to your vehicle or 
    surrender it at the checkpoint before you will be permitted to enter.
    
    

>    4.  THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE NOT ALLOWED ON THE PREMISES:
>    Alcoholic beverages, illegal drugs or controlled substances 
>    (including nitrous oxide), glass or metal containers, fireworks or 
>    incendiary devices, or knives or weapons of any type.

well, that doesn't say anything about disallowing coolers, food, non-alcoholic
liquids, and plastic containers.  but just because things aren't always
explicitly prohibited doesn't necessarily stop security from turning it away.

i got into a bit of an argument once over my swiss army knife.  "it's a
weapon."  "no it's not, it's a tool."  "no it's not, it's a weapon." ...

- rich

> i got into a bit of an argument once over my swiss army knife.  "it's a
> weapon."  "no it's not, it's a tool."  "no it's not, it's a weapon." ...


Know what you mean, Rich.  Once I had trouble getting into the Centrum
for a JGB show because of my Swiss Army Knife.  Can't remember if I 
dropped it back off at the car or just slid it in my pants.
Nowadays I just usually leave it in the car.  Even though otherwise,
it hardly ever leaves my possession.  I think the worst anyone has to 
fear from my knife is getting some infection from cutting themselves with
the blade, since I don't often run it through the dishwasher.  (The clothes
washer has seen it a few times though ;-)

PeterT

>Know what you mean, Rich.  Once I had trouble getting into the Centrum
>for a JGB show because of my Swiss Army Knife.  Can't remember if I 
>dropped it back off at the car or just slid it in my pants.
>Nowadays I just usually leave it in the car.

i did have it with me for a specific reason, one that security probably
wouldn't have been too happy with.  i used it to cut the plastic ties that
hold the wooden chairs together on the floor, so that we could neatly fold
a group of them up during the show and make a dance area.

the security guard told me to put it back in the car, which i couldn't do
because i didn't drive, and my ride was already inside.  i said that i would
be satisfied with leaving it at the customer service desk if i was given a
receipt and could claim it afterwards.  at that point i was told that there
was no customer service desk, to which i responded, "don't lie to me.  i
know that there is one because i know people that have been there."  (thanks
to this notes file)  that took the guy a little off guard, but then he changed
his line to "well, i can't take you there."  finally another security guard
who was witnessing this walked up to me and whispered, "why don't you just
go to another door?"  i gather that the hidden implication was "and do a 
better job of hiding it"  i did (on both counts).

- rich

    another method of remove the chair isles which I've 
    witnessed to be quite effective is to crank your 
    lighter up and melt the ties
    
    Steve

    so, how is that organizing comin' along ??   the Ostiguys are still
    looking for space in a campsite
    
    thanx,
    
    Wes

    It seems the bottom has fallen out of the organizing bucket, is there
    anyone left who still doens't have a place to pitch a tent? and are
    there those who have space left?
    

    what's the story with the day lot?  Do they throw you 
    out at sundown?  I have a Ecuadorian friend who would need a
    place; loiter in the day lot, covert camping at night. Plausble?
    
    Steve

>    what's the story with the day lot?  Do they throw you 
>    out at sundown?

i believe the story is that it's normally used for daytime parking, but during
the deadshows it will be used for overflow camping.  no reservations, just
first come-first serve for those who couldn't get spots at the regular
campground.

you ought to call the park to double check on this, though.

- rich

    
     I'm also in need of a tentsite for the night of the show, I 
    was in Ireland when tickets went on sale, but luckily a friend
    got me a pair.
    
    Sean

    Through the Grateness of Rich (campsite and ride)  and jc (ticket )
    I will be making the journey up to Highgate for my first dead show
    ever.  Hope to meet you all there! 
     
    -Scott                 

    Right on!!!!
    not a bad spot for your first viewing pleasure.....

>I will be making the journey up to Highgate for my first dead show
>ever. 

We're gonna hafta do something about that.  Definitely. ;-)

tim

    re .204
    
    could you be a little more specific please?  
    
    				da ve_who_is_growing_older_and_heavier_
    				set_with_each_passing_bearded_day :^)

    Whoooaaaaahhhh..
    gotsta remember who i am speaking to  when using the 
    terms OLD, BEARDED, GERIATRIC, GERITOL, GRAY.......
    ..etc etc etc.....kinda like saying "hey look for me at the show,
     i'll be the one with long blond hair and the tie dye".....:^)
    chris_smart_assing_at_the_elder_folks_again
    

    better watch out scott! yer NEVER the same after the first time.....
    (ask my kids)
    
    rfb
    p.s. 
    HAVE AREAL GOOD TIME! 

    
    re: -.1
    
    Ah, but what would you be without it?
    
    MJ  :-)  :-)  :-)
    
    

    yes....empty
    
    rfb

    
    FWIW - I spoke with a friend from Jay Vermont last night....she says that
    that the Highgate shows are going to be very festive and logistics are
    being planned out *extremely* well on part of the entire town.  Cop
    scene should be very mellow.
    
    With such a pleasant environment for a show.....I anticipate a hot
    setlist!!! :-) :-) :-)

    i believe i am digressing, which is my aim at times, but along the
    lines of a hot setlist, are there any "obscurities" that you, the
    grateful noters, are wishing/hoping/betting on/ bribing the boys
    to see played?
    

	St. Stephen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    how about a big fat "Sleepy alligator in the noon day sun"
    where Phil Phazes us by Phlipping us Phantastic BOMBS!!!!!!!

    well, this will only be my 9th Dead show, and my first outdoor Dead
    show (which is more than any other band) and it's been a while...every time
    I go (or use to) there is something I've never heard that I want to hear 
    them play...
    
    I'm waiting for Terrapin Station big time...but others I'd like to hear
    would be Brokedown Palace, Franklin's Tower, Attics of my Life, Stella
    Blue...and could really deal with Eyes of the World anytime, Estimated
    Prophet  (love that toon, Karen and I were married in Lake Tahoe, CAL
    last August, and EP was going thru my head the whole flight out...
    
    Wes

    
    I think the Green Mtn factor,  combined with Bobby's acoustic fling lately,
    we could hear some acoustic (Reckoning) traditional type stuff that needs 
    some coverage...
    
    Bobby - Dark Hollow (I'd be so psyched to hear that song)
    	    Monkey & Engineer (been played lately, but not enough)
    	    On the Road Again (YOWZA!)
    
    Jerry - McFall (is that the name?)
    	    Ripple (a must!)
    	    I've Been All Around This World
    
    I love all these songs, and could see them fitting into a setlist. 
    Electric, or acoustic.                                      

    Deane'o
    Mcfall as in Rosalee Mcfall?

    re.216  Deano, I was thinking acoustic too...Ripple would be out of
    this world...
    
    Black Peter ??

    
    	I'd be way into Bobby McGee... 
    
    	Whens the last time they play it?

    
    What is everyone's opinion on bringing a bike to the show?
    As anyone had a bad experience or is aware of one, in which
    a bike got riped off.
    
    I always want to bring my Mtn. bike to the show so I can cruise
    around and see more occasionally when I get bored.  I never have
    though for fear that someone without tix and without anything to do
    will steal my bike while I'm in the show.  I got a wagon, maybe I 
    could lock it inside?
    Steve

    bike-no
    cribbage board and backgammon set-YES
    you'll never be bored!!!! :^)

    
     I've taken my bike to a few shows.....after riding it I either lock
    it to the roofrack or inside my car. Once I rode my bike from my 
    campground to the Vermont Reggae fest......I couldn't believe all the
    bikes that were at that!! (I think Highgate will be the same), once
    I got there, I chained it to a cyclone fence....no problems.
    
    a friend of mine had his bike at Giant Stadium, on the bike rack on
    the front of his van......not locked or chained for the whole day...
    nothing happened to it.
    
    Sean

    
    I need the frisbee/football toss, bike around type 
    entertainment.  Ideally, i'd like a motorized skateboard.
    (does that count as a 'board' game, yuk yuk)
    Poker is good though.

    yeah, I think there'll be a ton of bikes there too.
    One reason I think it'll be nice to have one is all
    those thousands of cars flooding those little country
    roads. I'll just zip around 'em; there's probably some
    good trails there too.
    
    Steve_whose_never_been_there_&_wouldn't_know

My girlfriend and I are interested in doing a leisurely canoe trip on
the Misiquoi River on Thursday (the day after the Highgate show).
I've got *1* canoe.

This is right in the same area where the show is.  The last 15 or so miles
of the Misiquoi (before it flows into Lake Champlain) are supposed to be
slow and easy.  It goes right through a big wildlife refuge (Misiquoi W.R.,
naturally) that should have lots of birds and stuff.

Anyway, this trip would be ideal with 2 cars--one stationed on Lake Champlain
at a convenient pick-up spot.  The details of this trip are described
in the DeLorme Vermont Gazeteer.

Is there anybody out there with another canoe that might be interested in
hooking up with us to do this?

         Craig

    FYI, the Montreal Jazz Festival is in full swing for the next few weeks
    at least...I spoke with one of my cousins last night, I didn't get any
    details, but if NE1 is planning on Montreal before/after Highgate, let
    me know and I'll call him for some details...
    
    Wes

I highly recommend that if you don't already have a DeLorme's Vermont Atlas,
get one!

This atlas shows all the roads around Highgate in great detail.  This may
prove usefull to know in the traffic mess thats sure to happen.
It shows the Lake Capri State Camground.  Doesn't show any airport/fairgrounds,
but I guess once we're up there it's be obvious where the show is.

josh

    
    josh, weir does one pick up the atlas you mentioned?? any book store.
    
    thx,
    Don

Yes, any decent bookstore, eq. The Paper Store in Maynard and in Acton,
or the chain bookstores in malls.  The N.H and Maine atlases are also very
usefull to have.  Much better detail than regular maps.

Josh

The following is being posted for a friend...

From:	US1RMC::"Barton.Fiske@East.Sun.COM" "Barton Fiske {Systems Engineer}
Sun Rochester"  7-JUL-1994 12:13:16.05
To:	netcad::siegel
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Camping in Vt

Can't make it Tuesday, no way no how. 

Perhaps you could forward this plea to the 
DECheads alias and see if anyone bites?

Greetings, 

A former DEC employee and still standing DEChead
is looking for a camp site to camp on Weds only,
leaving Thursday morning. If you can help, please
send mail to:

	barton.fiske@east.sun.com
	(716) 385-5032

(I read and posted to the DEC conference
 in the 1988-1989 time frame, some of you may 
 remember me yet :^)

thanks!!!

    gee, save a buck and go to your local libaray ! I used the libaray 
    before my trip out west and found lots of stuff that proved to be 
    very useful when we were in places that we had never been to !
    
    Chris
    
    ps; I'm using the same stuff when we take a road trip out to the big
    fun town of Beaver Creek, oHIo at the end of the month !
    
    
    
    

    re:227
    Josh, the Vermont DeLorme atlas does sho the airport - in is 2 pages
    before/after the map w/Cami Lake SP.  It is real close to I89
    between Higate Springs and Higate Center/falls.  There only seem
    to be a couple roads in the area so traffic should be bad.
    	Pete
    

re      <<< Note 403.232 by USOPS::KIBLING "You know all the rules by now" >>>

>    Josh, the Vermont DeLorme atlas does sho the airport - in is 2 pages

Yeah, I finally realized to look on that page, cause I was curious where the
campground Craig Zastera (hi Craig! wish I hadda canoe!) is staying at is.

Ya know, theres _really_ a creek there called Dead Creek.  :-)  Right by the
Missisquo National Wildlife Refuge.  

I think a good bet to get to Campri is to get off at exit 19.  If Campri isn't
running busses to/from the show like I thought someone here said they would,
then I'd bet on taking some of the back roads to the NORTH of Highgate and
sorta looping around in from the north side.

Josh

there appears to be some dirt roads in the area... i have to look at my
bro's VT gazetter map... we'll take those!!!!!!!!!!!  :-)  hmm, maybe
i should rent a car, eh????????

	the lake carmi directory	(anyone else?)
	
LOTA@db1.cc.rochester.edu	4
SALEM::LEBLANC			10,124
ROCK::FROMM			20
AKOCOA::DMITCHELL		21,22
NACAD::SIEGEL			23
salem::burns                    25
MKOTS3::jollimore		27,28,29 (w/the Groton Contingent(tm))
BIGQ::SYMONDS			44
SMURF::HAPGOOD			100 something?
LASSIE::GRADY			103
BIODTL::JC			106

    
    	I have discovered that I am in need of campsite for Highgate...:-/ 
    Would anyone have any space left?  I am driving up with my sister and a 
    good friend of mine from southern California.  We'll help pay for campsite,
    etc....      
    
    thank you!  :-)
    
    :), danielle

    
    If any of you folks at Lake Carmi have any extra tentsites, I'd
   like to squeeze in......I got a campsite at Lakeview Campground, in
   Eden Mills, but it's at least an hour away :-/
    
    I'll probably go to Carmi the morning of the show anyway to check it
   out....someone mentioned a meadow, that's 1st come 1st serve.
    
   
   Sean
       

    I just talked to Lake Carmi, they are so friendly! 
    (at least the one person I talked to was)
    Some info:
    
    to check in go to the "contact center", tell them the
    name of the person the site is under.  If its paid for
    you can go to your site.  Each site has a fire pit,and
    they allow as many tents has you have, within reason.
    8 person max.  first 4 are covered on the site fee,
    any additional people are a cost per person.
    
    Only 4 out of 174 sites are non-dead related folk.
    
    OVERFLOW SITE:  in a hayfield, first come first served,
    she said get there early, like Tuesday, because she has
    had a ton of calls concerning overflow.  No campfires in 
    the overflow, but the park is gonna build a bonfire for
    us and possibly have some guitar players there after
    the show as a good-will gesture. Isn't that nice?
    
    There are nature trails, a nature center and one trail for
    mountain bikes.  Swimming in the lake is good, they rent
    paddle boats, canoes and rowboats. Rowboats are $5/half hr
    and $20 for the day.  One day fishing licenses are available.
    
    The show is 10-12 miles away.  They are working on getting
    a bus available.  Some guy in town may be subcontracted.
    
    gotta go,
    
    Steve

    
    Outta here in a few minutes to pack up and head to Lake Carmi. Everyone
    have a good TRIP and we'll see ya all at the jubilee.
    
    
    					
                                 -jeff_looking_for_that_Shakedown_opener

    I wanna wish ya'll a grate time in HIGHgate....BE SAFE! watch out for
    the man, think and do peace, clean-up after yerselves, don't fall down
    too often, etc, etc, etc...and make tapes!
    
    rfb

    >>and make tapes!
    
    hey rfb - that reminds me........;^)
    
    "talk" to ya when I get back.

    I know Jeff, I know...I have fallen down and am having a hard time
    living up to my commitments.....NEVER FEAR! I WILL COME THRU!!!!!!
    rfb

Will they allow medium-size backpacks into the show?  (I'm _not_ talking
about the typical mongo external-frame pack.)  I want to bring in my
backpack, so I can carry water bottles, binocs, blanket/ground plastic tarp,
food, etc.  Are nalgene water bottles OK?

thx, Josh

    re:  Josh
    
    	I'm pretty sure they'll allow you to bring backpacks into the show. 
    I always bring a backpacks into Dead shows...as far as water bottles
    go, that's a 50/50...some venues allow it, some don't.  I'm going to
    try to bring one in with me as well...

Today's Boston Globe had a picture of a thethered hot air balloon at a 
Texaco station which read "Highgate Welcomes Dead Heads".

Outta hear shortly. The weather is beeeeeautiful.

Is there any other meeting place besides Lake Carmi?

This may be a foolish move but since I don't have the stereo equipment 
necessary to seed or branch, I'd be happy to coordinate a tree. I'm out 
until the 25th, but will check notes.

enjoy

jeff

    
    Y'all have a good time and enjoy that!!
    
    Divide Dave
    

    
    As of right now it looks like I can't leave for Highgate until
    10:00AM tomorrow morning.....I wonder if this is pushing it a 
    little????

>I wonder if this is pushing it a  little????

No.  It's pushing it alot.  Hope you get in.  :-(

	dave

    
    Well, I'm down to leavin at 8:00AM now, so it's look'n better.
    
    probably get to Lake Karma around noon. :-)

outtahere!!!

c-y'all in highgate

- rich

That all depends... How the roads are, what the traffic is like, what the
weather is (more of the same but a bit more humid, I've heard).  I'll be
leaving a few hours earlier than that myself.  Hope things aren't too 
bad.  From the looks of things, Carmi is actually past the concert site
(assuming you're coming in from 89.) So, given the situation, it might 
be best to head to the concert directly.  But judge when you get up 
there, and wait for the Ben and Jerry's stop on the way home ;-)

PeterT

Ooops note-clash!!!  So what type of car do you drive Dean-o??  I'll
keep an eye out for the shorthaired/bald dude ;-)

PeterT

    
    I called the Franklin County Sherrif's Dept.
    
    Rt 78 West will be CLOSED!!!!
    
    Access to the concert will be limited to Rt 89 access only.  
    
    All other roads will be open....including Rt 105 to Carmi. 
    
    Lake Carmi will going to have a shuttle bus to and from the show.

    Josh has a good idea...so Im gonna lock this note up and please give
    all your trip and show reports in note 410.*
    
    Chris