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Title:Take my advice, you'd be better off DEAD
Notice:It's just a Box of Rain
Moderator:RDVAX::LEVY::DEBESS
Created:Thu Jan 03 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:580
Total number of notes:60238

68.0. "Useless and random DEAD Statistics." by CSCMA::M_PECKAR (Pray for snow) Tue Dec 22 1992 19:06

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68.1VMPIRE::CLARKthe Gong ShowTue Dec 22 1992 19:103
This is the 68th topic in GRATEFUL.

- DC (6'3")
68.2A good example :-)CSCMA::M_PECKARPray for snowTue Dec 22 1992 19:1193
Here is an index to the file: 	SPICE::USER1:[PECKAR]DEAD.1992

...which I aint postin' cuz its 3200 lines of useless, yet 
none-the-less-fun-to-stare-aimlessly-at-when-your-stoned blither.

Enjoy...	:-)

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                        1992 YEAR IN REVIEW

                                 by

                     Eric J. Simon & Randy Jackson



        Hello everyone and welcome to the 1992 edition of useless
        trivia!! The following information was gathered from set
        lists posted to this newsgroup as well as from listening
        to tapes from 1992.  Every set list was cross-referenced to
        at least two different sources, and we believe them to be
        correct.

        Please e-mail corrections to the following address, DO NOT
        post them. We will post a set of corrections at some point
        in the future. The address is:

                raj@ctt.bellcore.com    and/or
                simon@xtal0.harvard.edu

        This year's addition contains several new features, including
        a summary of every year from 1974-1992, and a summary of the
        songs played in the 1990's so far.  If you have an idea for
        additional Useless DeadStats, please email your idea to ejs.

        This information may be freely copied BUT please do not
        use it for personal gain.


        Enjoy!!

                Eric J. Simon   (Harvard University)
                Randy Jackson   (Bellcore, NJ)




(c) 1992, Eric J. Simon and Randy Jackson
The contents herein may be reproduced and distributed
in any non-commercial manner provided that the contents
are reproduced in their entirety including this copyright statement.











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TABLE OF CONTENTS
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        Feature                                         Line Number
        -------------------------------------------------------------
        Introduction                                       1
        Contents                                          49
        Tour Schedule                                     79
        Set Lists                                        141
        Song Frequencies                                 605
        Song list in alphabetical order                  757
        Set Length Information                           916
        Longest/Shortest Sets and Shows                  992
        Monthly/Day of Week/States breakdown            1003
        Song Attributes                                 1071
        Openers/Closers/Into-/Out of Drums/Encores      1174
        Interesting notes                               1283
        Show by Show Analysis                           1352
        Every time played                               1744
        Yearly Comparision: 1974-1992                   2435
        1990's so far                                   2779
        The End                                         3184

68.3VMPIRE::CLARKthe Gong ShowTue Dec 22 1992 19:123
Y'mean, they gotta be Dead-related?!?  ;^)

- DC
68.4CSCMA::M_PECKARPray for snowTue Dec 22 1992 19:2813
>Y'mean, they gotta be Dead-related?!?  ;^)

Yes, dammit, this whole string is rather non-digressitory.  I've modified the 
note title to make it a bit more clear.

And while I hear, I'll prove my non-digressitory intent by posting another 
useless statistic...

Even though the dead took five months off this year, they still were among 
the top five grossing acts last year!

Fog
68.5get rich :== buy Maxell stockCORA::65447::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastTue Dec 22 1992 19:4414
So, like, how _gross_ were they?

I'd like to know how many miles of tape get taped at an average Dead show.
Hmm... lets see..  figure anywhere from 500 to 1000 cassette decks?

3 hours X  1 7/8 Inches per second X 3600 seconds/hour X 500 = 
10,125,000 inches = 159.8 MILES!!!

		Y O W !!!

And that not including the DAT decks!

Josh
68.6I'd say more like 50-100...SUBPAC::MAGGARDI am the Rhombus!Tue Dec 22 1992 19:578
> figure anywhere from 500 to 1000 cassette decks?

uhh, that seems like an awful lot of tapers...  but then again, we _are_ an
awful lot...

har har har

- jeff
68.7SCOONR::GLADUWed Dec 23 1992 12:0911
    Well the taping section is usually about 200 seats or limited to
    the first 200 tapers. There is rarely only one deck running per
    mic stand. Many get rejected for mail order. Not all tapers are 
    at every show, nor are all of the tape decks. So there *are* a 
    lot of us out there. I'd say easily over 1000 tapers around between 
    both coasts, Europe and all points in between. Maybe 300-500 tape 
    decks spinning at any given show. Not to mention decks spinning in
    hotel rooms after the show, in cars, trains & planes between runs, 
    tape decks touring with out their owners, etc. :-)
    
    ger
68.8deadhead predictor statisticsJURAN::DCLARKcherish well your thoughtsWed Dec 23 1992 13:017
    how many people have taken the Myers-Briggs personality test?
    What did you score? the 3 Deadheads I know the scores for 
    in HLO (including myself) all scored INTP, which occurs in
    less than 1% of the population as a whole. Interesting 
    stuff.
    
    - Dave
68.9ISLNDS::CONNORS_MWed Dec 23 1992 13:155
    
    I took the Myers-Briggs, I can't remember my score...
    I'll have to look that up....
    
    MJ
68.10I took in school, not in DECCSCMA::M_PECKARPray for snowWed Dec 23 1992 13:2412
I took it, but I forget what I scored...

Unfortunately, all-too often it is an abused and misused tool of management
for pigeon-holeing their employees. Its also crude, and doesn't take into
acount some very important inluencing factors (like dyslexia, which may
suppress a high aptitude for intuition, for example), and I would tend to
think there are way more than 16 personality types out there. 

Still, its a self discovery, and that itself makes it worthwhile. Just don't
fall into the trap of pigeon holing yourself.  Use it to open more doors to
self knowledge, not to close them!

68.11cool out, I know how to deal with dataJURAN::DCLARKcherish well your thoughtsWed Dec 23 1992 13:456
    I'm not mis-using any information; I just thought it was
    interesting. I wonder how many deadheads are 'perceptive'
    (stream-of-conciousness) vd 'judgemental' (goal-oriented).
    
    Remember, I'm a professional statistician. Mis-using 
    information is my job, I know how and when to do it :-)
68.12STUDIO::IDECan't this wait 'til I'm old?Wed Dec 23 1992 14:097
    I've never heard of it, is it available on-line?
    
    I just remember the counselors showing me funny splotches (most of
    which looked like puppies being tortured by cats wearing housedresses)
    and squiggly lines, then going in the corner in shaking their heads.
    
    Jamie
68.13ROULET::DWESTif wishes were horses...Wed Dec 23 1992 14:4511
    yeah, i've taken the MBTI (Myers-Briggs Type Indicator) several
    times...  the results of my personality test were:
    
    		yes, i still have one...  :^)
    
    being reassured of that fact, they went on to say i was ENFP...
    supposed representing about 2% of the general population...  explains
    a lot of how i get along with my group which is predominantly 
    thinking over feeling and judging over percieving...
    
    					da ve
68.14what's N again???ROADKL::INGALLScastles made of sandWed Dec 23 1992 15:3511
I think (feel) that I scored as type INFP

Intravert (vs Extravert) 
??
Feeling (vs think)
Perceive (vs judge)

I remeber that I was borderline on everything except very strongly P

Glenn
68.15ISLNDS::CONNORS_MWed Dec 23 1992 16:014
    
    I think N is intuition....
    
    MJ
68.16ROULET::DWESTif wishes were horses...Wed Dec 23 1992 16:081
    N is intuition...  S is sensing...
68.17How about NUTS?LASSIE::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Wed Dec 23 1992 16:205
So, what's the Myers-Briggs code for Neurotic?

;-)

tim
68.18btw...LASSIE::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Wed Dec 23 1992 16:238
Hey, is this the test they used to give you for the old Managing
Interpersonal Relations class that everyone used to be sent to?
(Personality Pigeonholes 101)

I think I got thrown out for copying someone elses personality ;-).
I guess was bad influence. ;-)

tim
68.19LJOHUB::RILEYNamer of chaotic individuals everywhere!Wed Dec 23 1992 17:2726
    
    
    Yup, 
    
    I've taken the Myers-Briggs twice (two-three years apart).  Both times:
    
    
    ENTP
    
    E Extravert
    N Intuition
    T Thought
    P Pyschedelic  ,  uh, not into planning, kind of free form vs.
    structured
    
    Funny it's mentioned in here, one of our engineers (I get along with
    exceedingly well) mentioned it yesterday, and he was an INTP.
    
    Yes Fog, it can be used negatively, but it was tremendously helpful in
    my own self-awareness process to find out what my inclinations are by
    nature, so as to be able to understand better why and how I react to
    certain situations the way I do.  And, what my work environment should
    be like in order to be successful and happy, as well as who I work well
    with.
    
    Tree_Myers-Briggs advocate
68.20INFPAWECIM::RUSSOclaimin!Wed Dec 23 1992 17:511
    
68.21@#%hole %^)CXDOCS::BARNESWed Dec 23 1992 18:091
    
68.22LASSIE::TRAMP::GRADYShort arms, and deep pockets...Wed Dec 23 1992 18:565
Hey rfb,

Was that you I was copying from?

tim
68.23EZRIDR::SIEGELThe revolution wil not be televisedMon Dec 28 1992 16:514
I think I took it in high school, but I couldn't possibly remember what my
"score" was.  If there is an on-line version, I'd love to check it out.

adam
68.24Maybe just moody?SALEM::MARKIEWICZenfant de l'UniversTue Jan 05 1993 19:324
    I took the Myers Briggs twice, 3 years apart.  The first time I was
    INTJ and the second time I was INFP.  do you suppose that means I 
    have a split personality.  I guess both my personalities are
    introverted and  intuitive.
68.25unless, of course, this statistic counts...ROCK::CAMPR::FROMMThere is no way to peace;peace is the way.Tue Jan 05 1993 19:503
so far, only 16% of the replies in this note have anything to do with the dead

/r
68.27red alert, danger, dangerSMURF::PETERTFri Jan 22 1993 18:076
    Ack!  Fog, you didn't really mean to enter that whole thing did you??
    The part about top 10 trades is interesting, but then it looks like
    the rest of the digest got appended to it.
    
    PeterT
    
68.28sorry, re-entered...CSCMA::M_PECKARunder eternityFri Jan 22 1993 18:1858
------------------------------

From: Ken Kaufman <kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>
Subject: Just For Fun:  A Top-Ten Trading List
Reply-To: kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:21:29 GMT

Have you tape traders ever noticed that some of your tapes are *always* in
demand, while nobody seems to be interested in other tapes, some of which
may be better in all regards?

Obviously, several factors go into this.  For one, there is the
reputation of the show or period.  I, for example, would rather trade for
x/x/77 than x/x/76, all other things being equal.  Similarly, more people
know about 7/13/84 than 9/11/83, though in my opinion, the latter is a
far superior show.

Another issue is rarity.  People aren't as likely to ask you for a tape
that was treed just a few months ago.  And then there are shows like 3/1/69
that most everyone already has a copy of - if anyone needs to get it,
they are as likely to ask someone else for it as they are to ask you.

Finally, there is relative sound quality.  If a B+ copy of a show is generally
available and you have an A+ copy, everyone's going to strike at the
opportunity to get a dub of yours.  Conversely, if there are A's all around
and you have a B tape, virtually no one will be trading with you for it.

Given all this, I have tried to compile an ad hoc list of my 10 most
demanded tapes of 1992 (not counting pre-arranged trades via trees).
This should not be construed as a 10 favorites list, although there would
be substantial intersection between the two.

By the way, it does change from year to year; 7/13/89 for example has
fallen out of favor with my trading partners.  This is all unofficial -
I didn't keep count or anything.  It should be noted that all of these
tapes came to me from Netheads past and present.  And many more of you
have received these one or more generations down the road (FB).  So
without any further ado:


            MY 10 (WELL, ACTUALLY 11) MOST WANTED LIST OF 1992

10 (tie):  10/11/83 MSG -- more than just the return of St. Stephen
10 (tie):   9/16/91 MSG -- one of the best of the 9 show run
9:          4/19/82 II Baltimore -- Hot set, Raven Space
8:          6/ 9/77 Winterland -- THE Help/Slip/Franks
7:          8/21/72 II BCT -- Great GSET, 30 min. Dark Star into El Paso
6:         10/ 9/76 II Oakland -- See setlist to know why
5:          4/18/82 II Hartford -- EARTHQUAKE SPACE!!!!
4:          3/18/77 Winterland -- First Scarlet/Fire, Full Terrapin, NFA JAM!
3:          4/ 6/71 Manhattan Center -- Short but sweet, Oh Boy, Hog 4 U Baby
2:         11/29/66 II Matrix -- Great sound, rare tunes, Cream Puff War!
1:          4/8/71 Boston -- Typical Spring `71 show, I Second That Emotion

Anyone else care to share their most popular lists?
==Ken

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68.30curiousCORA::65447::BELKINthe slow one now will later be fastFri Mar 26 1993 19:054
Where did you get this from?  Did you make it up yerself?

 Josh
68.31SPICE::FIELDSand we'd go Running On FaithMon Mar 29 1993 11:417
    Yup I made it up....:') well not rilly, the band has played these tunes
    in the month of March so far....right now I need the 1st two lists from
    Albany to get it up to date :')
    
    
    Chris_writer_of_useless_stats!
    
68.32:-) :^) 8^)SALEM::MARTIN_SGoldfish don't bounce...Mon Mar 29 1993 12:117
    
    I'd also like to see the Albany(so far) setlists! I thought they'd
    be posted already.
    I scored tix for tonight! PSYCHED!
    
    Steve-O!_so_happy_to_be_going_he_don't_care_WHAT_they_play!
    
68.33Ok, up-to-date for the month of March (03-09 <-> 03-28)SLOHAN::FIELDSand we'd go Running On FaithMon Mar 29 1993 12:52123
song title              set 1           set 2           ec:     times played
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Althea                  xx					2
Around and Around                       xx			2
All Over Now            x					1
All along the Watchtower                xx			2
Attics of My Life			x			1
Bertha			x					1
Big River Blues		x					1
Baba O'Rilly                                            x	1
Broken Arrow            xxx             x			4
Brown Eyed Women        xx					2
Black Throated Wind     x					1
Bird Song               x					1
Baby Blue                                               x	1
Black Peter                             x			1
Beat it on down the linex					1
Box of Rain				x			1
Comes a Time				x			1
China Cat Sunflower                     xxx                     3
Corrina                                 xxxxx			5
China Doll				x			1
Cold Rain & Snow        x					1
Casey Jones		x					1
Cassidy                 xx					2
Crazy Fingers                           xx			2
Candyman                x					1
Deal			x					1
Days Between,The                        xxxx			4
Don't Ease Me In        x					1
Desolation Road         x					1
DARK STAR (1st verse) >                 x			1
Eternity                xxxxxx                                  6
Eyes of the World                       xxx			3
Estimated Prophet			xx			2
Feel Like A Stranger    xx					2
Franklin's Tower        xx					2
Flibberty Jib*                          x			1
Fire On The Mountain                    xx			2
Friend Of The Devil     xx					2
Good Lovin'                             x			1
Goin down the road			x			1
Greatest Story Ever Told x					1
Here Comes Sunshine     x               x                       2
High Times		x					1
He's Gone                               xx			2
Hell in a Bucket        xx					2
Help on the Way         xx					2
I Know You Rider                        xxx                     3
Iko Iko                                 xx			2
I Need A Miracle                        xx			2
I fought the Law (and the law won)                      xxxx	4
It must have been the Rose x					1
Jams before D/S                         x			1
Jack Straw              xx					2
Jams coming out of D/S                  x			1
Knockin' On Heaven's Door                               xx	2
Loose Lucy              xxx					3
Liberty                 xxxx                            xx      6
Last Time,The                           xxx			3
Let It Grow             xx					2
Long Way to Go Home                     xxxxxx			6
Lazy River Road         xxxx            xx			6
Little Red Rooster      xx					2
Lovelight                               xx			2
Lucy In the Sky with Diamonds!!!                        xx	2
Looks Like Rain                         x			1
Man Smart/Woman are Smarter		xx			2
Me & My Uncle           xx                                      2
Mexicali Blues          xx                                      2
Masterpiece             xxx					3
Music Never Stopped,The xx					2
Morning Dew                             xx			2
Mississippi 1/2 Step    xx					2
Maggies Farm            x					1
Not Fade Away                                xxx		3
New New Minglewood Blues xx					2
Other one,The                               xxxx		4
One More Satuday Nite                   xx			2
Playing In The Band                     xxx                     3
Playin' Jam				x			1
Peggy-O                 xx					2
Promised Land           xx					2
Picasso Moon            x               x			2
Queen Jane              xxx					3
Row Jimmy Row           xx                                      2
Ramble On Rose          xx					2
Stuck,Memphis Blues     x					1
Ship Of Fools                           xx                      2
Sugar Magnolia                          xxx			3
Stagger Lee             xx					2
Same Thing,The          xx					2
Standing On The Moon     		x			1
Slipknot                xx					2
So Many Roads           xxxxx					5
Spoonful                                x			1
Spanish Jam				x			1
Sampson & Delilah                       xxx			3
Stella Blue                             xx			2
Scarlet Begonias                        xx			2
Shakedown               x					1
Sugaree                 x					1
Smokestack Lightning                    x			1
Standing On The Moon                    x			1
Saint Of Circumstance                   x			1
Truckin'                                xxx			3
Tom Thumb Blues         xx					2
Touch of Grey           x               x			2
Terrapin                                xxx			3
Throwin Stones                          xxx			3
Tennessee Jed           xx					2
Tomorrow Never Know                                     x	1
Uncle John's Band                       x			1
U.S. Blues                                              x	1
Victim Or The Crime                     x                       1
Wang Dang Doodle        xxx                                     3
Wheel,The                               xxx			3
Watchtower                              x			1
Wave to the Wind                        xxxxx			5
Walkin' Blues           xxx					3
Wharf Rat                               x			1
West LA Fadeaway        x					1
Weight,The						x	1
68.34CSCMA::M_PECKARBe kind: unwindThu May 20 1993 18:5933
Ever wonder how rich Sir William-O was? I did, so I asked a friend in 
England, but she couldn't tell me what Peggy-o's mother did think...

   The UK went decimal in June 1970. Before that date, a pound was divided
   into 20 shillings, and a shilling was divided into 12 pennies or pence.
   A guinea was an informal unit of currency, worth (I think) 1 pound and
   1 shilling. (I think that hundreds of years ago there were guinea  coins,
   which could "clink"!). The two shilling piece was known as a florin
   and a two shilling and sixpence piece was known as "half a crown". Spot
   the echoes of obsolete currency units still used in western and central
   Europe - for example Dutch guilders are also called florins, and the
   Scandinavian countries use crowns ("kroner".)
   
   After decimalisation, a pound was worth 100 new pence, now called "pee"
   by most people. We have 5p pieces (like old shillings), 10p pieces (like
   old florins) and 50p pieces (like old 10 bob notes). There I go - a bob
   was a colloquial name for a shilling, and is dying out now. A quid is
   a colloquial name for a pound - but *never put an s on the end* unless
   you want to crack up a native audience. So, one might say "lend us 10
   quid" but never "I need a few more quids to pay this bill". SImilary, the
   plural of bob is bob.
   
   We have banknotes for 5 pounds, 10 pounds and higher denominations, but
   pounds are mostly coins. By mute civil disobedience, Scotland refused to
    accept pound coins, so pound notes are still in circulation there. They
   are accepted in England, but are not reccirculated by English banks. 
   
   In the horse world, racing bloodstock actions are still conducted 
   in guineas. 
   
   Confused? If not, I must have missed something out :-)

68.35SUBPAC::MAGGARDRoll like a cantelope, outta yer bowl!Thu May 20 1993 19:249
    Speaking of limey_dollars...
    
    Ya also have to be careful of the 'old' vs. 'new' notes.  I got slipped
    an old 5 squid ;-) note as change ... I had to go to a bank to exchange
    it.
    
    - jeff
    
68.36did he have oodles of gillies?VOYAGR::SAMPSONDriven by the windFri May 21 1993 12:213
    Yes you did leave something out. 
    
    How rich was sir William-O??
68.37I love foriegn currencysCSLALL::BRIDGESAnods asGood asA wink toA blindBatFri May 21 1993 14:1949
re:             <<< Note 68.34 by CSCMA::M_PECKAR "Be kind: unwind" >>>


  >> The UK went decimal in June 1970. Before that date, a pound was divided
  >> into 20 shillings, and a shilling was divided into 12 pennies or pence.
  >> A guinea was an informal unit of currency, worth (I think) 1 pound and
  >> 1 shilling. (I think that hundreds of years ago there were guinea  coins,
  >> which could "clink"!). The two shilling piece was known as a florin
  >> and a two shilling and sixpence piece was known as "half a crown". Spot
  >> the echoes of obsolete currency units still used in western and central
  >> Europe - for example Dutch guilders are also called florins, and the
  >> Scandinavian countries use crowns ("kroner".)
   
   I actually have a least one of each of these coins. The old piece I have
  is a "pennie" from 1856 I believe could off +/- a few years.


  >> After decimalisation, a pound was worth 100 new pence, now called "pee"
  >> by most people. We have 5p pieces (like old shillings), 10p pieces (like
  >> old florins) and 50p pieces (like old 10 bob notes). There I go - a bob
  >> was a colloquial name for a shilling, and is dying out now. A quid is
  >> a colloquial name for a pound - but *never put an s on the end* unless
  >> you want to crack up a native audience. So, one might say "lend us 10
  >> quid" but never "I need a few more quids to pay this bill". SImilary, the
  >> plural of bob is bob.
   
  >> We have banknotes for 5 pounds, 10 pounds and higher denominations, but
		
    More commonly referred to as a "fiver" and a "tener".
   
   >> pounds are mostly coins. By mute civil disobedience, Scotland refused to
   >> accept pound coins, so pound notes are still in circulation there. They
   >> are accepted in England, but are not reccirculated by English banks. 
   
    When they eliminated the one pound note and changed to one pound coins,
  it became a real pain. At least I think it is. Of course i don't have live
 with I just visit. It really increases the amount change in ones pocket.

  Scotland also has it's plates for notes. I have to dig out what i have a home
 to see tha difference really can't remember at the moment. It might just
 be colour and pictures. The thing i like about money in GB is that the
 paper denominations get large as the value increase's, that way it would
 be harder to mistaken give a twenty when all you need to give is a ten.


  Shawn

  BY the way how rich was Sir William-O

68.38STAR::HUGHESLess zooty, more dustedFri May 21 1993 14:5624
68.39CASDOC::ROGERSMake it so...Wed Jul 28 1993 23:493
    For an interesting DEChead-related statistic, look at note 4016.0
    in TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES about halfway down and the very end:-).
    Is this a list we really want to be on?
68.40Hey, we ain't the most verbose, anyway!NECSC::LEVYScientific progress goes BOINKThu Jul 29 1993 12:080
68.41And/or the Middle East?CSLALL::LEBLANC_CPlease don't dominate the rapJACKWed Nov 16 1994 16:302
    Anyone got a Phoenix out there in noting land?
    House of Blues on sat-er-day?
68.42CXDOCS::BARNESMon Jan 09 1995 16:3410
    so...whilst reading my kids SPIN Mag this weekend I picked up on
    some tiny tid-bit o dead trivia that I'm sure NO ONE will guess  or
    knows.....
    
    who is Hank Harrison's daughter??? 
    
    Her mother was tight with Ken Keasy
    and the Pranksters, although I don't remember her (the mom's) name and 
    she's not mentioned in any of the books by Hank or in T. Wolfes 
    Electric Acid Kool-Aid Test, so this isn't a hint......
68.43Nice wholesome American Female Role Model :)SMURF::HAPGOODJava Java HEY!Mon Jan 09 1995 16:4212
                      <<< Note 68.42 by CXDOCS::BARNES >>>

>    who is Hank Harrison's daughter??? 
    
I read/saw/heard this a few months or a year ago and never really believed 
it and still don't know if I do....

Who is Courtney Love of HOLE???

:)
bob

68.44Give that man a cigar!!CXDOCS::BARNESMon Jan 09 1995 17:3513
    DAMN yer good!!! 
    
    I couldn't quite believe it either...but whos to say
    that just because you were raised in a loving caring environment like
    Keasy and the Pranksters MUST have provided (NOT!!<<---maybe???) that
    you'd turn out loving and caring. Love was apparently sorta abandoned
    when a child, I'm sure that didn't help with her growth and
    development. Maybe for all the "good" the pranksters et al did for us,
    there was some bad??? (we all know this already...there's a fine line
    ya gotta watch)
    
    anyway GOOD goin Bob...come on out to COlo and I'll buy ya a beer.
    rfb
68.45eh?TRLIAN::DUGGANMon Jan 09 1995 17:399
    err...
    at the risk of sounding a bit dated...
    
    who is Courtney Love?
    
    for that matter, who is Hank Harrison?
    
    ...Michael T. PerplexedHead
    
68.46HoleCSLALL::LEBLANC_CPlease don't dominate the rapJACKMon Jan 09 1995 17:462
    Courtney Love-lead singer of the teen angst band Hole, widow of Kurt 
    Cobain..mother of their child Frances Bean...
68.47CXDOCS::BARNESMon Jan 09 1995 17:4413
    hey! what you doin in dis file MikeyT?!!??!! %^)
    
    Courtney Love was Kurt Cobain's (of Nirvana) wife. She is the singer 
    for a band called HOLE. (wonder where they came up with that name???  %^) )
    my kids listen..
    
    Hank Harrison wrote one of the original Dead books, i think there's a
    volume II now?? Bob will know...;^)
    
    Her mother ran with the Pranksters and the "magic bus" people as Love
    called them. Mom moved to Org. whenthe Pranksters did, then apparently
    left Love in the care of the bus while she moved to other countries...
    
68.48SMURF::HAPGOODJava Java HEY!Mon Jan 09 1995 19:3211
I just got lucky RFB and happened to read that and it caught my
eye and I've been wondering if true ever since....

Hole - I think they are a Rolling Stones "Critics Pick of the Year" this year...
maybe not top pick (maybe so?) but one of top 3 bands picked by "critics".

Hank Harrison might have managed the Dead as well; somebody ought to know
this but as usual I'm not sure....

bob

68.49hardly obscure for these decheads...SMURF::PETERTrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyTue Jan 10 1995 13:2510
    The Globe had a rock Trivia question a while back that may have been
    where Bob saw it, at least its where I did.  It was something like:
    On what album cover did Hole singer Courtney Love make her first 
    appearance?  The answer was Aoxomoxa.  She's one of the kids in
    the family shot in the back.  Not sure of Courtney's current
    affiliation with the Dead, but her dad, Hank Harrison, has been on 
    the outs with them for a while.  At lest that's how I remember it.
    
    PeterT
    
68.50:)MAYES::OSTIGUYTue Jan 10 1995 13:533
    Ahuhuh, ahh, huhuh....he said Hole...
    
    Wes_Butthead_fan...aahhhuhuh
68.51CXDOCS::BARNESTue Jan 10 1995 14:016
    any specifics about why Harrison has been on the "outs" with the dead??
    
    the Axomoxa trivia bit is interesting...haveta look at the CD cover
    tonite and see if I can pick Love out....
    
    rfb
68.52Touch of OldTRLIAN::DUGGANTue Jan 10 1995 18:1814
    re: 47 hey! what you doin in dis file MikeyT?!!??!! %^)
           ...sometimes I wonder myself.
    
    Notice, however, that I didn't ask "Who were the Merry Pranksters?"
    ...nope, not this child.
    
    The first time I ever saw the Boyz was at Aspen Meadows, New Mexico,
    Summer Solstice, 1967... they were the break band for the times in
    between the bus race!
    
    (there was actually going to be a second heat but everything turned
    electric and people sorta forgot to run the second race)
    ...mike_who_is_feeling_somewhat_old_and_grey_todayHead
    
68.53CXDOCS::BARNESTue Jan 10 1995 18:235
    re: sometimes I wonder myself.....
    
    feelin low today Mike??? cheer up!
    
    rfb
68.54TRLIAN::DUGGANTue Jan 10 1995 18:3614
    WAAAAAH! All I wanna do is go home and see my honey (and cats)
    
    and I'm not gonna get to until next month...WAAAAAAHHH!
    
    (On the bright side, I'll be in ABQ for ten days, telecommuting via all
    that unused bandwidth from ABO to Merrimack... we have to test this
    stuff remotely and you can't get much more remote than that...)
    
    (oh, and I'll get PAID for it too!)
    
    Thanks. I feel better already.
    
    ...mike
    
68.55It could be worse, you could be me! :-) :-) :-)SUBPAC::MAGGARDIntegrate!Tue Jan 10 1995 21:1720
>     WAAAAAH! All I wanna do is go home and see my honey (and cats)
>     and I'm not gonna get to until next month...WAAAAAAHHH!



You're not alone.  



Be gald it's only a month.



I'm 5 months into my 10-ish month pre-marriage-separation :-)


- jeff_got_them_3_3_hundred_mile_long_
  it_gets_so_sad_I_sing_this_song_
  help_me_Lord_and_keep_me_strong_
  fiance_in_Callifornee_bluuuuuUUUUUuuuuuues!
68.56it may have been something like this...QUARRY::petertrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyThu Jan 12 1995 19:4518
I was going to include something about why Harrison and the Dead no longer
see eye to eye, but I wasn't sure how much was confabulation (nice term
for making up memories, "Oh yeah, it happened this way, I remember now")
and how much real.  Given that as a caveat, the way I think I've heard 
it is that Harrison may be a bit too much into himself.  He wrote a 
history about the Dead, "The Book of the Dead" which apparently goes into
how Hank did this, and Hank did that, and how Hank influenced the 
dead scene, etc, oh yeah, and the Dead were there too.  Now, I haven't
read the book, so I can't say how much this is true, or how much it 
contributed to the fallings out, but that's kind of what I heard, or 
remember having heard (which may well be two different things).
Seem to remember getting this from rec.music.gdead a while back.


Take it as you need it.

PeterT

68.57CXDOCS::BARNESThu Jan 12 1995 20:277
    Peter T -- 
    I have that book...he's never mentioned as far as I can remember except
    as the author. The book is written alot like Wolff wrote parts of 
    the electric acid koolaid test, weird sentence structure, weird 
    use of puncuation, etc....just fyi...
    
    rfb
68.58wouldn't be the first time...SMURF::PETERTrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyFri Jan 13 1995 02:238
    Well, I told you I wasn't really sure.  That was the general 
    impression I got of things, without having read the book myself.
    Maybe I'm just mixing up some memories, or it was something else.
    Anybody else know anything, or am I just running on rumor and 
    speculation here.
    
    PeterT
    
68.59Harrison's other bookBIGQ::DCLARKThe Master CylinderFri Jan 13 1995 16:224
    I have Harrison's other book, called "The Dead", in my office
    if anyone wants to read it. Not all that well-written, you can
    tell he stole a lot of stuff from other sources, but some good
    photos.
68.60I got eyestrainRICKS::CALCAGNIThe animal trainer and the toadMon Jan 16 1995 18:496
    According to a recent interview, Courtney Love was born in 1965;
    that would make her around 4 years old at the time of the Aoxomoxoa
    photo, right?  I scanned the CD jacket for likely candidates, there's
    one or two.  Where's my vinyl copy!
    
    /rick
68.61Green Marker ManKAOOA::REILLYMon Jan 16 1995 18:566
    I found he talked about himself a bit as well...good book of pictures
    have a signed copy, in green marker. It's the second book he did which
    includes the first book in the first half. 
    
    sean.