Conference rdvax::grateful

    What are people's opinions on Classic Pink Floyd vs. New Pink Floyd
    vs. Roger Waters?  I passed up several opportunities to see New Pink
    Floyd because I didn't think it would be "the real thing."  I thought
    "Momentary Lapse of Reason" and "A Delicate Sound of Thunder" were good
    imitations of Pink Floyd, but the new songs just didn't cut it.  Kind
    of like Queensryche's "Silent Lucidity," which, IMHO, is the best third
    rate PF imitation going.  As for Waters, I thought "Pros & Cons of
    Hitchhiking" was good, but hated "Radio KAOS."
    
    Jamie

My ex-girlfriend (bad title, we're still friends) saw the "new" Pink Floyd back 
in '88 at the Palace of Versais(sp?) in France.  This was the Delicate Sound of 
Thunder tour.  They had the whole Palace lit up by a multitude of lights and 
she said combined with the power of the music, which in her words was 
"unexplainable", made for the most incredible artistic experience of her life,
and she's had quite a few cool experiences.  Another friend, who is the biggest 
Floyd-head I've ever met, saw them in England (Wembly?) that same tour and gave 
them very high marks as well.

Does this compare with other experiences??

Scott

I like classic Pink Floyd better.  When I hear the new Pink Floyd,
I like what I hear, but it doesn't seem to have "staying power".

As for Waters' solo stuff - Pros/Cons is a good one.  I've never heard
Radio Kaos.

My fave Pink Floyd tune?  hmmm that's tough:

		Green is the Colour
	        Wish you were here (the whole thing :)
		one of these days i'm gonna chop you up into little pieces
		careful with that axe
		
and a whole slew of other ones!
I heart PF :)
bob

ps.  I am a bit burnt on DSotM though...from too much playing on the radio

    Roger Waters: really lacks David Gilmour's skill at making a good
    sounding tune. He's brilliant at lyrics, although his recent works are
    so depressing that I don't have any desire to listen to them. His
    vocals can get irritating at times since there's no harmony from
    Gilmour.
    
    David Gilmour: he writes great music, but the lyrics aren't as
    brilliant as Waters. Also, his last album (Pink Floyd aka the David
    Gilmour Band), even though it had some great tunes, didn't have a
    unifying theme or melody like the later Floyd albums. But he definitely
    has the best voice in the band.
    
    Richard Wright: I'd like to hear more from him. He did a great album
    called "Wet Dreams" in 1978. In the early days of Floyd he was a great
    contributor, writing and singing songsd (he has a pretty good voice,
    especially Echoes) and adding lots with keyboards. In the later years
    he must have become bored.
    
    Syd Barrett: very unique and innovative. Without his ideas they never
    would have gotten anywhere. He was a mean guitar player, just listen to
    "Interstellar Overdrive" on their first album.
    
    Old Floyd: before DSOTM, they were quite a band, very innovative and
    spacey. They didn't need the help of others, and were more into writing
    long pieces rather than theme albums.
    
    New Floyd (DSOTM to The Final Cut): Roger Waters gradually took over,
    in the end composong all the lyrics and essentially the rest of the
    band were session men. The albums are sonic masterpieces, but I think
    they lost the tightness and togetherness of the early years. With the
    exception of Animals and Wish You Were Here, they could never recreate
    their album sound on stage without lots of extra players.
    
    I saw Pink Floyd on their last tour. It was certainly one of the more
    memorable shows I've seen, with all the movies and effects. But they
    had way too many people in the band. 
    It seems to me that with DSOTM they gave up some of their
    "togetherness" to get a more commercial sound.
    
    Scott
    

As Scott said, I think Roger Waters is an incredible lyricist ... although
The Final Cut was kind of depressing, I thought it was actually his best work
with Floyd ... it really is an expressive, emotional album.  After hearing
that album, I couldn't wait to see what Floyd was going to come up with next.
:^(

I love the live half of Ummagumma ... I've listened to it so much I should
be sick of it by now (I wouldn't be upset if I never heard "Money" again),
but I'm not.  I'd be happy to have an album full of Richard Wright's keyboards
as they sounded at that show ... spacey, fantasy stuff.

- Dave

    Yah,.. I'm with Scott too
    
    But he didn't mention what a @#$%^&* excellent guitarist Gilmour is.
    Maybe he can write goo dmusic,.. but its always his playing that
    I've been impressed with.
    
    							/
    

      I also saw the last Pink Floyd tour and thought it was great!
    I've always been a Gilmore Head, I love his solo albums, especially 
    his first one. I also saw Waters a few times "Pros and Cons" with
    Clapton was great, kinda weak without him. The "Radio Kaos" show
    was alright but it didn't compare with "new Floyd" IMO.
      
     If you want to see a "trippy" rock movie rent "Pink Floyd, Live
    at Pompei", great footage of them playing "Meddle" cuts, plus
    DSOTM studio work.
    
    Sean
    
    

This is a good topic!

I heard Waters say in an interview that the last album he really liked was
DSoTM.  I disagree, I think they were pretty good all the way up to The Wall.
:-)

My favorite used to be Wish You Were Here until I heard Animals.  But, it's
hard to say what your "favorite" is.  I admit I'm not very familiar with their
Syd Barrett days (or is that daze?), but I do have Relics (greatest hits of the
first 3 albums I think), which I hated at first but now like a lot.  I
especially like the two Gilmour songs on Relics, from a soundtrack ("More", I
think), the first one being "The Nile Song" and the second being "Cirrus
Minor".  The Nile Song is a rocker!

I don't know too much about Momentary Lapse except what I heard on the radio. 
Most of it is OK at best, but there is one song that I like a lot, that has an
"old" feel to it.  I saw that tour at Foxboro, but I was so far away, with an
obstructed view, that it was not nearly the same as if I had seen them at the
Centrum, for instance.  I think Pink Floyd should not be seen in a stadium.

As for Waters, I've never paid much attention to him.  I did hear Pro's and
Con's while being driven home in someone's car from a dead show 2 years ago,
and I thought it was pretty good.  I think I'd be interested in seeing him live
since he'd do a lot of Floyd songs Gilmour's band won't do.  Plus, he was the
main vocalist, and the one I got used to hearing do all the songs.  The Wall is
practically the only album Gilmour got to sing, except for a few on Dark Side.

adam

    re: .7  
    
    Sean - is that video relatively easy to find in So NH vid rentals?  
	sounds like a must_see
    
    Carol
	

re: Gilmour's first solo	

Yeah!  That's a fantastic lp if there ever was one....

re:  PF Live at Pompeii video

They had it in Milford so I suspect it's easy to find :)

there's no way out of here when you come in your in for good!
bob

ps.  I have the Waters solo Lp and it is nice too...

    re .8:
    
    yeah! The Nile Song! that's my favorite Floyd song. I used to CRANK
    that one up. 
    
    - Dave

Live at Pom. was my wifes and mine first "date" back in 1975 at an
    underground movie theatre. We saw Floyd in 1976(?) I think...
    DSoTM and songs from previous albums was the set list. An almost
    life size airplane crashed into the stage during one song...scared
    the #$%^outa me. I had a terrible toothache and was on pain pills,
    so I don't remember much.
                              rfb

      I recall reading in an interview that up until "The Wall" they 
    used to work out all their material live in concert before taking
    it to the studio to record, from what I've heard on bootlegs this
    seems to be the case, live tapes of DSOTM sound alot different.
    
      Any video store that carries music video's should have "Live 
    at Pompeii".
    
    
    Sean

      If someone asked me to pick one all-time favorite album of any group
    any kind of music, (ya know like the one album you'd take to a desert
    island) it would be, no question...
    
    
                WISH YOU WERE HERE
    
         I love that record  :-)                DaveB.

    I wonder what this is about:
    		
    		"...trade your heros for ghosts,...
    		 ...hot ashes for trees..."
    				?
    
    	Literally dismal, but, driving home tonight, with
    the stereo on loud, I heard these words in a song and
    really, really, really enjoyed it.  There is something
    almost mystical about the way their songs bite and 
    please in the same musical stroke.  
    
    Over the years, I've had a lot of fun by playing
    a PF tune for the benefit of freinds, relatives,
    and casual aquaintances who "don't like" rock
    and roll and who have definative misconceptions
    about the "terrible" mind-shattering, anarchistic
    and otherwise bad noise produced by bands like
    Pink Floyd and the Grateful Dead;  I love it
    when they like it when they don't know who it
    is.
    
    ;^)
    
    KenB
    
       'Cruise' on Gilmore's album is one of my all time
    favorite songs.
    
    KenB

re:             <<< Note 158.16 by WLDWST::BLAKKAN "Let it shine." >>>
   
   > I wonder what this is about:
    		
   > 		"...trade your heros for ghosts,...
   > 		 ...hot ashes for trees..."
    				?
    
    I think it depends on personal interpetation, I've always taken it as
trade offs good for bad, bad for good. 

              trade your heros for ghost
	      hot ashes for trees, hot air for a cool breeze
	      cold comfort for change
	      Would you exchange a walk on part in the war
	      for a lead role in a cage.

As fro my fave Floyd album I really cant say, I love em all. 
I really love The Final Cut. Even thou it is depressing, it's
also thought provoking.


Shawn

       I listened to a version of Waters with Clapton at meadowlands in 85
       and during Brain Damage, after he sings "and everyday the paperboy 
       brings more", he yells,"yes Ronald we do mean you!!!!".At another 
       point of the show Rodger stops during The Machine and yells at this
       kid who is lighting off fireworks, he used profanities I wouldn't
       have even used directed at my old car.
    
                                            Dino
                                                        

      RE: .18
     
      That sounds like the same interview I read except it was a show
    in Montreal during the "Animals" tour in which the band played
    horrible and the crowd didn't seem to notice, Gilmore was so
    pissed that he left the stage and let the other guitarist finish
    the song, from this incident Waters came up with the idea for
    "The Wall".
    

    re .-1
    
    Whoa there!  How did a bad concert give Waters the idea to do an album
    about his feelings during his father's service and death in World War
    II?
    
    Jamie

Jamie, that's more like The Final Cut, isn't it?

       Ok here's one to stump(or at least try)some of you
    
       Who sang Have a Cigar from Wish you were here?

    re .23
    
    Roy Harper? same guy that the Zep song Hats Off To Roy (Harper) is
    about?
    
    - dave

      re .21
    
     Jamie, Roger Waters said this himself in a back issue of "MUSICIAN"
    magazine, I can't remember the year, 85,86 maybe.
    
      Roy Harper also has a solo album that Jimmy Page plays on (the
    album cover looks like a pack of rolling papers), he's well known
    for his slide guitar work.
    
    Sean

re: The inspiration for The Wall and the Final Cut.

First of all, let me say I've never listened to the Final Cut so I can't
comment on what it's about, although I do know the subtitle is something about
"the post-war" something or other.

As for the Wall being inspired by a show where no one noticed how bad Gilmour
was, it makes sense to me since I heard either Waters or Gilmour saying the
album was about the "wall" that is created between fans and the group during a
show.

However, I also have seen the Wall movie several times, and the stuff about his
father's death, and the war in general, definitely seems a part of the album as
well.  Off the top of my head, I can't think of anything directly related to
the war/his father except Mother and Another Brick in the Wall Pt. 1.  Perhaps
it's a subtle theme throughout the movie that I can't recognize.  Actually, I
just thought of another one.  There is a song in the movie that is not on the
album, that is entirely about the British troops going over the Anzio(?) line
and following orders to fight.  I believe the song also mentions how the
officers do not care about the soldiers, rather, they just have them fight til
death.

In addition, as far as my own personal interpretation of the Wall movie goes,
it seems to be somewhat semi-autobiographical (of Waters), telling of the wall
put up around him by his over-protective mother and the regemented boredom of
school, and his eventual break through that wall (see Mother, Another Brick in
the Wall, Young Lust).

Waters is one intense fellow.  I wonder what a coffee shop conversation with
him in 1979 would have been like.

adam

RE:          <<< Note 158.26 by EZRIDR::SIEGEL "The wheel is turning" >>>
                     -< we're all just bricks in the wall >-

>Waters is one intense fellow.  I wonder what a coffee shop conversation with
>him in 1979 would have been like.



  Hey Rog, you want cream and sugar?  Yeah.  One lump or 2?  2.

  Hey Rog, hand me the ketchup will ya.   Sure.

Toast, orange juice, coffee ... marmalade, I like marmalade ... marmalade,
I like marmalade ....

Roy Harper!  One of my faves!  Although I personally don't know
much about the man, I do enjoy his guitar playing (acoustic and
electric) immensely and buy his lps when I'm lucky enough to come
across them.  His lyrics are great too.

That Lp with Page, I think it was "file under science fiction" or 
somesuch is great.  My fave was the 1st one I bought a while ago 
in 79 or so entitled "when a cricketeer leaves the crease".

he's a great guitar player .. maybe some of the UK people can offer
more info on him ....

bob

    
    
    >  If someone asked me to pick one all-time favorite album of any group
    >any kind of music, (ya know like the one album you'd take to a desert
    >island) it would be, no question...
    
    
    >            WISH YOU WERE HERE
    
    >     I love that record  :-)                DaveB.
    
    
    Me too!  That's good to know, DaveB.. in case we're ever stranded on the
    same island I'll remember that and bring something else and double our
    tunes! :-) :-) :-)
    
    Phyllis
    

    I picked up a Roy Harper album called "HQ" in England a few years ago.
    It's pretty good. David Gilmour is on it, and I think he produced it
    too.
    
    The beginning of The Wall is how the death of the kid's father in the
    war (evidently autobiographical) affected his life, and being brought
    up by an over-protective mother. The only father he knew was from old
    photos and memorabilia. Overall it seems to be a combination of Waters'
    childhood and the experience of seeing his best friend (Syd Barrett)
    waste away (also inspiring Wish You Were Here). The Final Cut expanded
    on the war theme, but more how it affected his life today.
    
    I don't know if Roger Waters really had that depressing of a childhood,
    or if he is just really affected by things, but he seems to have a
    pretty cynical view of life.
    
    BTW, has anyone noticed that The Wall is a continuous loop? If you
    combine the music and the almost inaudible voice at the end to the
    beginning it's actually the same. The voice says something like "Is
    this where I came in?"
    
    Scott
    

    The words to Wish you were here can be interpreted on a different
    level. I try to look between the lines to see if there is anything more
    to the lyrics than what is obvious. Obviously, the lyrics literally are
    talking about the trade offs of going to war. But if you let yourself
    expand the idea of war to be other things in lifem,.. day to day
    things,.. the things he's saying can be applied to many other decisions
    we make. The idea of joining the war becoimes for me the idea of
    joining in on any established norm of society,.. like the Elks club :-)
    for example. I mean,,... what do you give up by decicing to become an
    elk,.. or say,.. a member of a political party?,. or say,.. an employee
    of a corporation? Lets say you decide that you'd rather have a walk
    on part as a republican,.. than a lead role as "your own person" and
    live according to your own set of morals/ethics rather than those of 
    the Republican party?
    
    Then in an even greater sense,.. o0r an even higher level,.. and one
    for which I can easily be shot down (have fun),. I have also thought
    of this song as a message from God (tm) to the human race. How have we
    let ourselves com eto this point of being so #$%^&*( up? How could we
    have let the forces of government and greed make us cut down all the
    trees on this planet,.. thereby "trading hot ashes for trees,.. hot
    air for a cool breeze". Did we think we were so smart that we could
    tell heaven from hell? If we were, then how did we take this God given
    paradise and manage to pollute/burn/destroy the "heaven" we got into
    the "hell" we created. Our heros,.. who we loved as children for being
    good and doing good things,..Where are they now as we go through the
    motions of systematically destroying God's gift to us? Did we trade
    then for ghosts? Did the heros and the things they stood for die under
    the constant torment of human rationalization we used to justify living
    the high life?
    
    I'm like way out there now,. and I'm sure someone is reading this and 
    thinking to themselves ".. so I wonder what kind of drugs they dropped
    in /'s coffee this morning?...",.. so,.. I think I'll stop right there
    and let that person talk.
    
    But I will ask if anybody has ever had any semblance of thought even 
    remotely similar to any of the above gibberish.
    
    							/
    

re:     <<< Note 158.33 by STAR::SALKEWICZ "It missed... therefore, I am " >>>
   
   >    But I will ask if anybody has ever had any semblance of thought even 
   > remotely similar to any of the above gibberish.
    
    /
  
 I have had these thoughts as well. In fact I always thought of the line
"walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage."  as meaning the 
war between good and evil and the cage as eternal damnation, on 
whatever level you chose. That i sto say it could be spiritual, political,
or environmental. Hey go to war against what you think is wrong because
it beats the possibility of spending your life trapped.

Shawn
    

WOW!

They must have killer coffee at ZK ...

Time to check OASS::JOBS to see if I can get relocated!

    
                Good Joe over at ZKO. I always thought of Wish
            You Were Here as a song to Syd. Syd is actually doing better
            these days although he still lives at home with his Mother
            near London, In an interview with Roger he said that Syd
            no loger wanted to see his 2 best friends(Roger and Wright)
            because he see's thier success and fame and he longs for it.
            This really saddened me, I sort of feel bad for the guy, it's 
            to bad he's so tapped. I can also see many dual references
            in the whole album though.
    
                                                       Deane
            
        

                      <<< Note 158.37 by EBBV03::SMITH >>>
                        -< Shine on You Crazy Diamond >-
>...........I always thought of Wish
>            You Were Here as a song to Syd. Syd is actually doing better

ditto - they had such success with DSoTM and also with Syd that 
the pressures to shine were *so* immense and the marketing/record
folks pressured so much.....they longed for the old days when they
could be themselves, not part of a machine....

bob

      I read somewhere that during the recording sessions for
    "Wish you were Here", Syd Barrett was lurking around the 
    studio and the control room but nobody recognized him
    because he had shaved his head completely and weighed
    about 300 lbs.
    
    Sean 

    Has anyone heard Roy Harper's latest album? I saw it during lunch.
    He looks so old on the cover! The last time I saw him was on a David
    Gilmour concert on MTV several (5 or 6) years ago.
    
    My interpretation of the war/cage line was that it was directed at Syd
    (which Waters has admitted). At the time of their rising fame, Syd
    basically had the choice of joining the ranks of other musicians and
    becoming yet another cog in the music machine (i.e. a walk-on part in
    the war) or going off the deep end, losing control of his life and
    being known as a looney.
    
    When they were recording the album, Syd showed up in the studio, very
    overweight and sort of out of it. Waters was so bothered by his
    condition that he was unable to talk to him.
    
    The last I heard of Syd, a few years ago, someone had actually gotten
    him to do an interview and had asked him a few questions, then his mum
    called him for tea and that was about the end of it.
    
    It's really a sad story how Syd lost control, maybe it would make a
    good movie in the wake of the Doors movie. Listing to his old stuff I
    think he really had a touch of genius. A little weird, but still clever
    stuff. Robyn Hitchcock borrowed a lot from his style.
    
    Scott
    

    Hey - deja vu! We both just said the same thing!
    Supposedly Syd's comment on his size was that he "just got a new fridge
    and had to keep it full".
    

       Scott you have a great idea there, Because of the bands discretness,
       obtaining information would be a hassle though. I could see this 
       happening but unfortunatly not for years to come.
    
                                                    Deane 

    
    
    
    
    	I want to know more about Syd?  Who is he and what happen? 
    
    	Nicole

	Syd Barret was an early Pink Floyd band member.  In short, he started
going off the deep end, or so his band mates thought, and was forced to end 
his career w/ Pink Floyd.  

	The "Syd" era of Pink Floyd is much different sounding than the
DSoTM era.

    Syd Barrett is the founder and original lead vocals/lead guitar of Pink
    Floyd. He even came up with the band's name (from an old blues single
    he had by Pink Anderson and Floyd Council). His fast rise to fame and
    nearly immediate burnout on drugs is legendary. In early '68 he was so
    gone that at shows he's just stand there not playing or playing a
    different tune, and not remembering what song he was doing. Roger
    Waters hired David Gilmour to fill in on guitar, eventually they kicked
    Syd out of his own band and Waters took over.
    
    There's a book on Pink Floyd by Miles (that's his whole name) that's
    pretty good. Not a thorough biography, but it covers most of the
    important bits and has some nice photos.
    
    Their "hit single" from the Syd era was "See Emily Play". Their first
    album, "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" was with the original lineup,
    by the time of their second album, "A Saucerful of Secrets", Barrett
    had done 2 songs before he was kicked out, the rest was the
    Waters/Gilmour/Wright/Mason lineup.
    
    Scott
    

       Syd Dosed to many times, he is a victim of LSD and his own
    creativity, it is wierd that he is still alive, I wish he would  
    reform and get back out. Nicole, there are a couple Pink Floyd 
    biographies out there but I am a little hesitant of the accuracy
    of them I can find out the titles of them if you are interested.

	A recent issue of Musician magazine, with Jerry and Elvis
	Costello on the cover, has a good article on Syd and his
	role with/expulsion from Pink Floyd.

	tom

    Syd also brought out a solo album about the time he left.  It's called
    The Madcap Laughs and is worth a listen.  Didn't he also write See
    Emily Play, a beatiful single?
    
    
    -Dermot

    re .-1
    
    I've Seen it, and you're right, it is beautiful.
    
    Actually, Syd had 3 solo albums: "The Madcap Laughs," "Barrett," and
    the recently re-issued "Opal."  "Madcap Laughs" and "Barrett" are
    available as a double LP, dunno about CD.  I haven't been able to get
    into any of it, I guess I need to adjust my frame of mind.
    
    Jamie

    All three Syd solo albums are available on cd. "Opel" is just a
    collection of outtakes from his other two albums. There's an old rumor
    that he started recording a third album around 1975 but the notes in
    Opel say it probably never happened.
    
    There's also a "Peel Sessions" album of 5 tracks Sys did on Peel's BBC
    program in the late 60's. Right now it's only available as an import
    but an American company has started putting the series on cd so it may
    be around soon.
    
    Scott
    

From: FRAHME@ESDSDF.dnet.ge.com
Subject: "More" and "The Valley" released on video
Reply-To: FRAHME@ESDSDF.dnet.ge.com
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 91 15:32:54 GMT
 
 
  Hey now!
 
  I just read in todays paper thet the films "More" and "The Valley",
  whose soundtracks were done by Pink FLoyd, were released on video
  by Warner Bros. this week.  That's great, 'cause I know I've been
  dying to see these films!
 
  Chris Frahme
  FRAHME@esdsdf.dnet.ge.com
 

There's an excellent article on Pink Floyd (the Waters v. Gilmour conflict)
in TIMBRE::MUSIC, note 48.8

- Dave

    
    I'm presently tuned into the new Roger Waters release,
    
    f#ckin intense!!!!! 
    
    I like "What God Wants" and "We Were Watching TV".  
    
    The lyrics to "We Were Watching TV" blow my mind.

    
    from the echoes mailing list
    
    PINK FLOYD's Farewell Tour.....European dates
    
    ? = rumoured
    * = confirmed, on sale now
    
    July: 22 Lisboa, Portugal
          25 Knebworth, Great Britain
          29 Hippodrome de Vincennes, Paris France
          30 "                                   "
         
    Aug :  2  Cologne, Germany
  *        4  Reistadion Riem, Munich, Germany
  ?       13  Hockenheim, Germany
          21  Berlin, Germany
  *       23  Niedersachsenstadion, Hanover, Germany
          25  Idrottsparken, Copenhagen, Denmark
          27  Nya Ullevi Stadion, Guthenburg, Sweden
          29  Valle Hovin Stadion, Oslo, Norway
    
  *  Sept: 1  Olympic Stadium, Helsinki, Finland
  *        4  De Kuip, Rotterdam, Netherlands
  *        5  "                             "
           7  Prague CSR
           11 Lyon, France
    
    
    
    I'll post any US dates when I see them
    Sean
                              

>    PINK FLOYD's Farewell Tour.....European dates
>    * = confirmed, on sale now

wow, i hadn't thought that this had progressed beyond the rumor stage

- rich

    What do they mean Farewell tour....they haven't been together for 5
    years....
    
    Guess it's part of the spin doctor hype machine..."better see this show
    because it may be another 5 years before we say farewell again."
    
    Anyway, hope they venture to the US, cause i'd go see 'em say farewell.
    
    dugo   

See the Music notesfile, note 48.214

- Corporal Clegg

    Where is the music notesfile at??
    
    :-)
    Scott (wearing his pink pigs parachutting t-shirt today)

    Tanks!

this sunday's globe had an article saying that some of the old stalwart
bands from the 60s and 70s will be charging up to $75.00 for some tickets
this summer.  Floyd was mentioned specifically.

    JC-
    
    Its called "gold circle" seats or better known as let the band scalp
    for themselves.  It's the new wave in concert seating, charge more for
    the "best view" seats.  Recent "converts" included Paul Simon's gig
    here, Madonna (no comment), Janet Jackson etc.
    
    Last summer at Jones Beach they did the same, except the difference
    with $35 vs $25.
    
    Now I'm really nostalgic for those Central Park concerts I grew up on
    that cost $1 or $2 or if you were totally broke you'd sit up on the
    rocks and see some but hear everything.
    
    Talk about pricing your audience right out of the live experience! 
    
    This is one aspect of the concert business that really makes me MAD!!
    
    Fredda

	And some performers are fighting the scalpers a different way.
	I've heard of at least two performers (Billy Joel being one of
	them, can't remember the other) who take the best seats and give
	them away to people with nossebleed seats.