Conference rdvax::grateful

	hope lots of responses come in here cause I need to fill the
	vacuum that exists in my life now - especially live stuff - 
	what groups are y'all going to see locally?  Noone gave me
	any new music this year, so I can't respond to that.  But I
	have really been grooving on Rusted Root since I first heard
	them (anyone have any live tapes of them?)

>    call me trendy if you like, but Joan Osourne's disc Relish has been on 
    
	for those who were there, did she open for Rusted Root in Boston?
	if so, Guntis remarked to me that he thought she reminded him of
	Janis too...

>    sigh...  but i still miss the good ol' Grateful Dead.......  no matter
>    how good everyone else may be, thre's still something missing...

	yow - me too - am I ever going to get over this feeling of a big
	hole in my life?  It's painful.

	Debess

	

	hey, btw, I think I heard on the radio that Talking Heads is
	getting back together - including David Byrne.  Now, that should
	be fun stuff!

    I've been getting into a lot of new stuff lately, mostly I guess
    what you'd call hard rock.  It's a nice diversion from the 99.9%
    dead/jgb etc that was all I listened to for years.  

    Recent acquisitions include:

    Folk Implosion - cuts from "Kids" Soundtrack
	    "Natural One" or "I'm the One" or somesuch has been getting a 
	    lot of airplay.  Picked up the soundtrack that has the tune and
	    found a couple more by this band that are very good.  Lots of
	    good percussion!   

    Bush  - Sixteen Candles (? I think that's the name)
	    This band is good and gonna get better.   Lots of great tunes.
	    You may have heard Everything Zen, Glycerine, Come Down,...

    Alice in Chains - Grind
	    I like the way this sounds on the subwoofer ;-)  Varying tempos:
	    there will be a tune that sounds like Black Sabbath, followed by
	    a real nice acoustic tune.  Glad I picked it up.
	    
    Alanis Morrisette - Jagged Little Pill 
	    Kind of wearing this one out.  Aside from the 3 songs that have
	    been on FM, I don't like much else about the disc.  But I love
	    those 3 tunes!

    Pearl Jam - with Neil Young and vice versa on Mirror Ball and the 
		follow up single.  Mirror Ball is kick a$$ classic rockin' Neil!

    Black Sabbath - Paranoid	(old bands that I'm rediscovering ;-)
	    Just because I used to love this album when first getting into
	    R+R and albums, and it still sounds great.

    Led Zeppelin - II,III,Houses of the Holy remasters, Plant/Page No Quarter
	    Stocked up in preparation for the September concert and realized
	    once again how good they were.

    Zappa - been on a mission since getting the cd player for the car.  
	    Civilization Phase III is simply outstanding.

    I'm sure I've forgotten something, but that's about it for now.

/Ken

    re: talking heads and David Byrne

    Wow, that would be fantastic!  They were a helluva band.

    /Ken

    >are there new artists you're checking out? (live or recorded)
    
    Not many.  We seem to be in an era of one-hit wonders.  I doubt we'll
    ever hear another hit from the likes of Alanis Morrisette, etc., etc.,
    etc.  
    
    >are there old artists that are new to you?
    
    My interest in jazz has been growing over the past few years.  It's
    been tough learning the names of songs, though; unlike rock 'n' roll,
    the song title doesn't get drilled into your head a million times by
    the refrain.  I'm especially partial to Thelonious Monk.
    
    I've been rebuilding my Who collection too since they're overhauling
    the catalog.  The new CDs are reissues done right: good re-mastering
    (even a little tinkering with the mix), bonus tracks, and improved
    packaging.  "Live At Leeds" is almost double in length and sounds
    fantastic.  "The Who Sell Out" is also a favorite - they literally
    tried to sell commercial space on the album, but ended up using phony
    ads.
    
    >what are you listening to these days???
    
    Steel on snow.
    
    Jamie

	*New* Stones: _Stripped_
	I like this CD a lot!

    good topic...lately I haven't listened to much new music or old that's
    new to me, due to learning songs for the new band...but a few things
    have come along...
    
    Knots & Crosses from 1993 a cd called Curve of the Earth...I bought
    this for KAren for Christmas, Carol Noonan is the singer/guitarist in
    the band, we had planned on seeing her at the OVK on Jan 20... we have
    her solo cd, and I decided to check out her former band...only a couple
    listens, but I like it, and probably will like it more with repeated
    lisnin's...
    
    Phish...I have neglected to put a review of my 1st Phish show in the
    Phish note, but lemme summarize...good musicians, but their music
    didn't really strike me...I was physically not feelin' well that night,
    (I went to the Thurs 12/28 Centrum show) we had floor seats, I wasn't
    up for standing all night...I'd heard some negative things about the
    scene, but when I went I went Very Open Mindedm unfortunately before we
    even pahhked the cahhh and got in the building, the "negative attitude"
    manifested itself...I'll give it another listen, maybe the studio
    stuff, but dunno about shows...maybe...
    
    Acoustic Junction..well, they are not new, but they are releasing a new
    cd in the spring...I saw them 3 times last year, I have their 2
    available cd's and I Highly Recommend both of their studio cd's and the
    live experience when they come back in the spring...
    
    Wes

What am I listening too?

Neil Young's Mirror Ball and Pearl Jam's Merkenball....ditto to what Ken said.
Old Reggae.
Dead - 2 from the vault, Hundred Year Hall, Dick's Picks 2 (haven't gotten
    DPIII yet....)
Luna - love everything about this band ...
Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie and the ....
Mike Scott's "Bring Em All In" is EXCELLENT!  Ex-Waterboys "leader" debuts 
          solo.  Very VERY good!!!
Stones - Lately Stripped (the latest) but lots of the early 70's ones.
James McMurtry's "Where'd you hide the body"....yea, Larry's boy..

I'm sure there's more...
bob

    I tried this once and lost connection....shorter version..
    
    Dave Matthews Band - got Patty the 2 CDs ya haveta order from the DMB 
    merchandising plus Mike Bourdess hooked us up with a couple of 94 east
    coast shows...Tiffany, Patty and I like them alot...Tiffany said she'd
    even go see them WITH US! when they come around again next summer. 
    
    Ordered all the Beatles CDs from Rubber Soul/Revolver and up that I
    didn't have, but Tiffany stole them. I occasioanly hear the music
    filtering thru her door.
    
    Stones Stripped , grate car tape.
    
    Green Day and Hole....HA! GOTCHA THERE DIDN'T I!!!!!
    
    Bikini Kill, cause Lindsey play sit so loud.
    
    Actually, I've been reading more about newer bands more than listening
    to them, like in the review section of Rolling Stone and SPIN...never
    heard the music of the people mentioned by da ve, but I read about
    them! %^)
    
    rfb

oh yea,

I bought Raelene a copy of Rhino's "Great Tomato Blues Package" which is
and excellent mix of older and old blues tunes....very good 2disk set.

bob

    speaking of the Stones Stripped, you gotta see the video special they
    did on this!  (I think I caught it one night on MTV during the
    holidays).  They alternate studio segments of the "Stripped" material
    with live electric segments from their recent European tour.  All
    around excellent and totally enjoyable.  There's a live "Gimmie
    Shelter" that absolutely smokes; real funky, lowdown and snaky.
    
    Incredibly, these aging relics seem to be entering one of their best
    periods!
    
    /rick
    

    I, too, like those who reissues. Add to the ones Jamie mentioned
    earlier "Who's Next," which came out in the late November timeframe.
    There are a lot of extra bonus cuts, and they're not throwaway tunes
    either. These Who packages are a model that all record companies should
    follow. 
    
    Another excellent package in this same vein is the new Velvet
    Underground five-CD boxed set "Peel Slowly and See." This is almost the
    complete Velvet Underground library in one box. The official releases
    are surrounded by outtakes and demo versions, which in many cases sound
    better than what appeared on the original albums. 
    
    Luna's "Penthouse" album (thanks, Bob), which sounds a lot like the 
    post-John Cale Velvet Underground (read mellower).
    
    There are several new disks out that are in pretty steady rotation in
    my CD player at work, including:
    
    --Smashing Pumpkins--Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness 
    --Pearl Jam--Vitalogy
    --Presidents of the United States--same (love the "Kitty" and "Lump"
      tunes)
    --Older Roxy Music stuff (wish these guys would get back together
      again)
    
    Stuff to look forward to, RCA is going to release the missing Jefferson
    Airplane CDs, notably "Bark" and "Long John Silver" at the end of the
    month. There's also a Great Society (Grace Slick's first band) CD out 
    there called "Born to be Burned" from the early SF daze. 

re"                      <<< Note 506.12 by TNPUBS::ROGERS >>>

>    either. These Who packages are a model that all record companies should
>    follow. 

Zappa's releases sound similar - remixed, remastered, additional cuts, etc.

I'm just waiting for the re-re-issues with even better "less digitized" sound
;-)

re: Green Day and Hole

Don't laugh, both of these bands are growing on me, especially the former...

/Ken

    re: Green Day and Hole Don't laugh etc...
    
    I won't laugh....I'll GAK!!!!!   %^)
    
    actually Hole I kinda like...Green Day=double GAK!!!!
    
    %^)
    rfb
    

    
    For those into the Dave Matthews Band, they'll be in the area sometime
    in early February. Other than that, I don't have any info. (They're
    scheduled to play Dartmouth College 1st week of Feb.) Rumor has it that
    Trey Anastasio will be playing with them.
    

    re:Rumor has it that
        Trey Anastasio will be playing with them.
    
    VERY INTERESTING!!!! DMB does not have a "regular" Guitar player...when
    they record/tour, sometimes an old friend of the band plays "lead", if you
    will, but very little. I don't think DMB allows taping anymore,
    recording contract and all, but that would be an interesting tape that
    I'd love to add to min...er, Patty's DMB collection. I've never seen
    Phish and don't care all that much for them (although some stuf is
    really good!) but for Trey to back up DaveM sounds like it would good.  
    
    rfb

Bill Monroe - I especially liked an early "Goin' Down the Road Feelin' Bad"
Rev. Gary Davis - Hot Tuna led me to him, try his Blink Harlem Street Singer
Miles Davis - Sketches of Spain, don't listen to much of this but whoaa ..
Perry Como - a Christmas hits CD that the kids have had on - from 1950 to 	
		1984, one with the Ray Charles Singers!
Little Richard - another one the kids pulled out
Nature Company sampler - there is one cut of a native American tune and lyrics
		sung with an alternative modern accompaniment, it's better 
		than it's description - may cause me to finally buy the 
		Robbie Robertson CD "Music for the Native Americans"
Bruce Springsteen - live concert from '78 (Passaic NJ) someone gave me 
		on cassettes, boy he gave great LONG concerts
Bonnie Raitt - Road Tested, especially I Can Make You Love Me with Bruce 
		Hornsby on piano, Opening Farewell with Jackson Brown and 
		Angel From Montgomery with Hornsby, Brown and some others

Anyway, I have a Talking Heads question.  Is there a soundtrack to the movie
Stop Making Sense?  I know there is a CD by that name with some of the same 
songs, but it doesn't sound like the live concert?

BTW, today isthe last day of the Tower Records $4 off sale.  Ithink I'll 
pick up The Last Waltz, Synchonicity, There's A Riot Going On, Famous 
Blue Raincoat, The Essential Doc Watson, the Richard Thompson compilation 
and Jerry Lee Lewis' 100% Killer/No Filler.

Jim

    Jim,
    
    Talking Heads did the soundtrack for a movie called "True Stories."
    The story took place in Texas but that's all I remember about it,
    except the soundtrack was *much* better than the movie!

    i have Stop Making Sense on vinyl...  have't listened to it in AGES
    but i thought it was the soundtrack?  biiyni
    
    					da ve

	Stop Making Sense and True Stories were two different albums, i
	believe. 

    re .17
    
    >I think I'll  pick up The Last Waltz
    
    This is going to be re-issued soon in a deluxe edition.  They're going
    to include all the performances and remove the vocal overdubs (there
    were lots).  Three CDs in a special package.  $$$
    
    Jamie

    re.17   Bruce in Passaic '78...izit sep-18-78 ?  I have that on 3 lp's,
    yup a nice vinyl boot, they came in a black box, nice photo...yeah,
    Bruce was in his prime in the '70's...and a Grate show, Point Blank,
    Independence Day...that the one?
    
    Wes_Boss_Head_from_way_back

It sounds like the show.  The Point Blank was a bit different than what came 
out of the studio (as I remember it).  One of the highlights for me was some 
piano playing as the intro to Prove It All Night ("New Jersey - Are you ready 
to prove it all night?").

Jim

    Velvet Underground
    anxiously awaiting for my boxed set to arrive......
    

True Stories was weird...

I remember it opened w/Byrne by his lonesome self tooling down a Texas
highway in a Cadillac convertable dressed up like a dude w/ a cowboy hat on.  
He pulls into a town and the rest of the movie deals with his interaction with 
the town folks.  

bob

re       <<< Note 506.21 by ASDG::IDE "My mind's lost in a household fog." >>>

>    This is going to be re-issued soon in a deluxe edition.  They're going
>    to include all the performances and remove the vocal overdubs (there
>    were lots).  Three CDs in a special package.  $$$

Jaime, my brother has picked up a super-duper Last Waltz bootleg, something
like 5 or 6 CDs, thats every note and word uttered during the show. Comes
Super deluxe packaging, with a real nice pro-quality booklet.
Its a limited edition.  Are you thinking of this?

 Josh

Toad the Wet Sprocket, Dulcinea.  One of the best works
	I've heard in recent years.

Freddy Jones Band Live CD - interesting style.

    oh yeah...  Toad is on my frequent play list right now too!  :^)
    
    lot's of good stuff on that disk...  "Windmills" is a real gem...
    
    					da ve

    any idea how "pricey" The complete Last Waltz is?  for some reason I've
    hesitated getting the cd, but this sounds like a must...a Grate film, I
    really wasn't familiar with The Band (other than the "hits") until I
    saw the movie at White City Cinema when it was released
    
    I'll never forget 2 senior citizen ladies sitting in front of a bunch of 
    rowdy 18 year olds (10 of us?) watching this movie when it came out in
    '78...they musta thought the last Waltz was a dance movie...1,2,3 
    2,2,3...they didn't stay very long
    
    Wes

this year, i want to dig a bit deeper into the *local* blues
scene.  one thing i love is good live music.  it is like
dead studio albums vs. dead boots. no comparision.  i subscribe
to "blueswire" which covers the local boston bluez scene.  i've
written down some new bands to try out based on reviews in blueswire
and i'll eventually check'em out this yr.  a lot of good tunez
can be had in the beantown area if you have patience to look.
much to my saadness, ronnie doesn't play around here much anymore ;-(.
i really had some great yrs at the bull seeing ronnie.  must have
seen hium there 80+ times....

    re: Stop Making Sense
    
    This was released on Video a few years back.  It is the movie from
    which the record was made.  It's a great performance.  Get it!
    
    	dave
    

	/rick in .11
	
	i'd like to see the video fo Stripped.
	if you hear of it on again, let me know.
	
	i also got a SRV "Greatest Hits" cd for christmas.
	there's only 1 song on it i hadn't heard before (the Beatles'
	Taxman). but, there's a nice write up inside, with quotes from
	band members. 
	
	I'm not sure i agree with what they call 'greatest hits', but it
	does include Little Wing.
	
	man, could he play.   

    yeah, I got the SRV Hits disc for Christmas too.  I had a lot of the
    stuff on disc already, but asked for it anyway mostly for the Taxman
    cut.
    
    I'll have to try to tape the Stripped video when it comes around again.
    
    /rick
    

>    I'll never forget 2 senior citizen ladies sitting in front of a bunch of 
>    rowdy 18 year olds (10 of us?) watching this movie when it came out in
>    '78...they musta thought the last Waltz was a dance movie...1,2,3 
>    2,2,3...they didn't stay very long
    

	My mother-in-law thought the same thing about "Last Tango in Paris" -
	thought it was a dance movie ;-)

	Debess
	

    Well, my parents had no dis-illusions going in to see Woodstock (my
    oldest brother made it somewhere in the crowd, not known to have 
    been captured on film) but my Mom came back from the movie flashing
    the peace sign and going "Hi ya, want to say Hi ya!"  in a 
    classic misinterpretation of Sly and the Family Stones "I Want to 
    take you Higher!"  ;-)  
    
    As for what gets listened to these Days,
    A lot of Greg Brown, some Stan Rogers, John Gorka, Dar Williams
    (http://www.panix.com/~tneff/dar/), "There Goes Ned and The Kellys"
    a CD of music by a group in Australia (a 'bush band' I'd guess
    you might call them) proceeds go to the Royal Flying Doctors Service,
    and some other folky type stuff.  The occassional Dead also...
    
    PeterT
    

> BTW, today isthe last day of the Tower Records $4 off sale.
 
  FWIW...  The Burlington MA Tower extended theirs through Thursday
  midnight, on accounta the snow.  I got 23 "rock" and 4 country CDs last
  night, which I thought was my last chance -- now I can go back Thursday
  for R&B, blues, and jazz stuff I didn't get to.  (Averaged $10/CD, after
  tax.) - JayC.
   
  (P.S.  I picked up that JL Lewis Killer/No Filler too.  And yeah, the
  Miles Sketches of Spain is great.  There's a box coming out of all the
  Miles stuff w/ Gil Evans -- "Miles Ahead", "Porgy and Bess", "sketches of
  Spain", & more.  Might hold out for that.)

    
    In my car I've been listening to too many traffic reports ;^(,
    
    at home I've been listening to 
    Green Day - "Dookie" 
    dead tapes - can't kick the habit and don't want to!
    Southside Jonny - "Havin' a Party"
    Black Crowes 
    Black Sabbath - Sabotage, Volume 4                  
    
    and for radio - The Edge 99.7 f.m. - Alternative music

    Booker T and the MG's - The Way Things Should Be (or something
    close to that). The classic Memphis soul connection, 30 years
    later sounding better than ever. Steve Cropper never plays one
    more note than is absolutely necessary. What Duke Levine will
    sound like when he matures :-)
    
    Best of Bread and Beatles 67-70 - Bought for my wife and daughter
    respectively, now I'm forced to listen to them non-stop all the
    time I'm home. Maybe I should have bought them some Sabbath CD's
    instead.

 re .29,

Yep Jaime, thats the Band Last Waltz multi-CD set my brother has.  Limited
numbered edition and all that.  I'm pretty sure its a bootleg!

 Josh

The Freddie Jones Band is cool.

    
    Dead tapes.

    green day -----    GGGGGAAAAAKKKKKK!!

    I'm always changing music, but this is basically what has been
    sticking to me lately:
    
    Boss Hogg - self titled
    	one of my favorite cds, Cristina Martinez (x-Pussy Galore) and
    	Jon Spencer (of Blues Explosion).  Lots of energy in this cd.
    
    Funkadelic - Maggot Brain
    	(the perfect cd to smoke a cigarette to ;')
    
    Rolling Stones - Some Girls
    	I asked for a Stones cd for christmas, and my boyfriend gave
    	me this one.  I love it, it's been in constant rotation.
    
    John Lennon & Yoko Ono - Double Fantasy
    	this one takes me back to my childhood, my mom used to 
    	play it constantly.  Of course, 80% of the time I 
    	have to skip over yoko's songs, and I ALWAYS have to
    	skip over her "churn of energy" ;') at the end of "kiss kiss kiss".
      	BTW, did you know that Yoko Ono has a new cd out?  Her son Sean 
    	is in the band.
    
    Neil Young - Harvest Moon
    	beautiful vocals, and can you believe one of my favorite songs
    	is "Old King"?
    
    Natalie Merchant - Tigerlily
    	a lot of people find her voice annoying, in fact I myself
    	do sometimes but I still like this cd	
    
    Liz Phair - Exile in Guyville
    	This cd has definitely had to grow on me, and it still is 
    	growing on me.  I still find myself listening to it
    	once or twice a week.
    
    old Bob Dylan, Lightning Hopkins, John Lee Hooker...
    
    and of course...
    
    Indigo Girls - Nomads Indians Saints
    	This will always be my all-time favorite cd in the world.
    	I have listened to this cd about 5 million times.  I can't
    	believe I haven't chucked it out the window yet.  
    
    yikes it's 7:45 - I'm outta here!
    
    /danielle

    forgot to mention Sara Mcgloughlin "fumbling towards exctasy"...
    another of my recent favs...
    
    					da ve

    Some Phish, jazz off the radio, looking to purchase some Miles
    Davis music.

Dave Matthews Band - yuck!  or should that be GAAAAAKKKKKK!!! ;-);-)

    I got the CD a few months ago and quickly dispensed of this ultra pop 
    disc thru classifieds.  I still like 1 or 2 tunes, but the rest, I couldn't
    take it.

/Ken

    Fascinating reactions to DMB.  I love "under the table and dreaming"

    Howdy Ken! 
    Ultra pop!?!?! comon! Ultra pop and Green Day go handinhand! %^)
    
    sorta agree with you about Under the Table and Dreaming, esp. after 
    hearing live tapes, seeing him live, hearing tthe live broadcast on New
    Years Eve, and hearing the two CDs available 
    only thru DMB merchandising. UtTaD is definitely their attempt towards
    "commercial" crowds. But we, the *WHOLE* family, will be catching them
    at RedRocks next summer... :^)
    
    I have recently discovered thru someone in this file that DMB
    and Phish are good buddies, playing together on the east coast in the
    past.
    
    
    rfb ---  GGGGAAAAKKKK!!!
    

    I don't want this topic to denigrate to band bashing, but for the
    record, I don't *own* any Green Day discs ;-) 

    re: DMB    Under the Table, I thought was OK, it was the other tunes
    that turned me off.  What got me most, however, were the desperate,
    dark, depressing lyrics on some of the tunes. (which I read)

    /Ken

    sorry Ken...
    
    it's easy  to NOT listen to the lyrics of DMB, since, unless you *read*
    them, they are not easy to understand...%^)
    
    rfb

re           <<< Note 506.50 by AWECIM::HANNAN "Beyond description..." >>>

>    that turned me off.  What got me most, however, were the desperate,
>    dark, depressing lyrics on some of the tunes. (which I read)

you mean, like "Black Peter" (cosmic Charlie death), "Stella Blue" (alienation),
"Death Don't Have No Mercy" (death), "Thats It For The Other One" (death and 
lots of alienation), "Morning Dew" (death via WW III), "Black Throated Wind" 
(alienation), Bird Song ", "China Doll" (suicide, for a change!), Wharf Rat 
(the whole damn kitchen sink), or nearly any Velvet Underground tune :-)

 Josh

at home:

Been listening to some Tosh lately at home, in particular,
the Bush Doctor album.

also, after Phish did that who song at worc, i loaded up
quardropenia and cranked that...

and, some old ronnie CDs.

in the cah:

HFT from the fish&game show.
have a '72 dead tape from england awaiting.

	mind if I comment on your note, Josh? ;-)  You're touching on
	some of my favorite subjects - death, alienation and lyrics...

	although some of these songs are about dealing with death
	(Stella Blue, Birdsong to me are examples), to me they are
	not dark, desperate, depressing.  On the contrary, they are
	very uplifting.  Death is inevitable - these songs seem to
	encourage us to accept the death of one we love, to appreciate
	what we've been given, to be with that person in other ways.

	Now, I won't say that I don't get depressed listening to songs
	like this nowadays, I think that depression is just a phase of
	mourning that must be done.  But, I am hearing the message and
	know that, in the end, I will take it to heart and be at peace
	with it.  I don't think the songs are necessarily "depressing",
	I think it's just my state of mind now.

	"The Other One" I think is probably my favorite song.  I never
	thought about it as being about alienation.  There's tension,
	no doubt, both in the words and the music (oh, the music), but 
	there's also somehow a reassurance in the coming together, -us-
	coming together.  Maybe you think it's about alienation from
	The Man? (the heat come by and busted me)... Maybe it is about
	alienation from straight society, but I always zone in on the
	trippy way of finding this other society that I belong to, and
	so to me, it's about the opposite of alienation.  Does that make
	any sense?  I don't think of it as being about death either...
	maybe along with Cryptical?

	"Black Peter" again talks about the inevitableness of death (and it's
	just like any other day that's ever been), and it seems to be talking
	about hospice, if you will.  He's dying at home, with his friends
	there and he's at peace with his death.
	
	"Death Don't Have No Mercy" and "Morning Dew", I'll go along with the
	dark, depressing, desperate characterization...
	And "China Doll" is an exasperated "WHY?"

	Black Throated Wind may start out about alienation, but I think,
	in the end, he's trying to understand why whatever happened happened,
	and he wants to get on with his life, with this as a lesson.

	Wharf Rat IS dark, desperate, depressing BUT THEN "I'll get up and
	fly away"  I love that part.

	imo,
	Debess

Josh, those songs you listed are _totally_ different from what I was
talking about.   I guess you need to read the lyrics to the DMB song 
(I don't know which one) about a desparate person going deeper and 
deeper into a black hole, getting depressed, can't take it any more etc etc,
needles and junk, to see what I mean.  Turned me right off... not what
I wanna listen to.  

But I'm not a big lyrics person, and have a hard time understanding what 
some songs mean in their entirety mean.  Been listening to Bird Song for 
years and didn't know it was about death!  Is it really ?   

What I like most is the music itself, and I already pointed out what I 
thought of DMB.   A couple of good tunes, but nothing else there to keep
any interest.   
 
The other songs Debess mentioned, Death Don't and Dew, well, there's no
comparision.  Those songs are _emotional_. 

/Ken

>Been listening to Bird Song for 
>years and didn't know it was about death!  Is it really ?   

       in Hunter's book "Box of Rain", next to the title for
       Bird Song he wrote "for Janis"...

       Bird Song  [Garcia/Hunter]

       All I know is something like a bird within her sang,
       All I know she sang a little while and then flew on.
       Tell me all that you know, I'll show you snow and rain.

       If you hear that same sweet song again, will you know why?
       Anyone who sings a tune so sweet is passin' by.
       Laugh in the sunshine, sing, cry in the dark,
       Fly through the night.

       [Bridge]
       Don't cry now, don't you cry, don't you cry anymore. La la la la
       Sleep in the stars, don't you cry, dry your eyes on the wind.

       If you hear that same sweet song again, will you know why?
       Anyone who sings a tune so sweet is passin' by.
       Laugh in the sunshine, sing, cry in the dark,
       Fly through the night.

       [Bridge]

       All I know is something like a bird within her sang,
       All I know she sang a little while and then flew on.
       Tell me all that you know, I'll show you snow and rain.
       Snow and rain.

                              
    I recall being at RFK stadium, it was a 90's show, Jerry did a
    fantastic Birdsong.  He sang;
    
     "Laugh in the sunshine, sing, cry in the dark" 
    
    then there was this real long forgotton lyric pause.  All of a sudden 
    the video monitor was switched on to Jerry sporting a huge grin
    ...then we got the;
    
      "Fly through the night"
      
    Talk about good vibes.  Whoooaaa.  I guess ya had to be there.

    seems more like a tribute than a lamentation...  that kind of song of
    death i can deal with...  imho...

    re: Bird Song and Janis

    Oh yeah, I had forgotten about that aspect.  Bird Song always made
    me soar, not think of death...

    /Ken

>    Bird Song always made me soar, not think of death...

	/Ken, fwiw, I think that's EXACTLY what it's supposed to do...

re    <<< Note 506.54 by STAR::ECOMAN::DEBESS 

>	(Stella Blue, Birdsong to me are examples), to me they are
>	not dark, desperate, depressing.  On the contrary, they are

well, I was being a little tongue-in-cheek, but, anyway...

>	"The Other One" I think is probably my favorite song.  I never
>	thought about it as being about alienation.  There's tension,
>	no doubt, both in the words and the music (oh, the music), but 
>	there's also somehow a reassurance in the coming together, -us-
>	coming together.  Maybe you think it's about alienation from
>	The Man? (the heat come by and busted me)... Maybe it is about
>	alienation from straight society, but I always zone in on the
>	trippy way of finding this other society that I belong to, and
>	so to me, it's about the opposite of alienation.  Does that make
>	any sense?  I don't think of it as being about death either...
>	maybe along with Cryptical?

Hmm I was thinking of the part that goes:

 The other day they waited, the sky was dark and faded,
 solemnly they stated, "He has to die, you know he has to die."
 All the children learnin', from books that they were burnin',
 every leaf was turnin'; to watch him die, you know he had to die.

 The summer sun looked down on him, his mother could but frown on him,
 And all the others sound on him, but it doesn't seem to matter.

 And when the day had ended, with rainbow colors blended,
 his mind remained unbended, he had to die, you know he had to die.


Thought I've read somewhere that Weir wrote this as a result of a 
_real_heavy_ trip, the kind where one experiences that cosmic ego death.
On 5-2-70 this goes into drums, then the classic Phil bass intro to the
long, desparate jam/Other 1 verse1/jam/Other 1 verse2/jam/Cryptical verse 
reprise that sure sounds to me like a journey to, and back from, that c.e.d. 
place.

>	And "China Doll" is an exasperated "WHY?"
Pretty sure I read someplace this is about a suicide:

 A pistol shot, at five o'clock,
 the bells of heaven ring,
 tell me what you done it for,
 No I won't tell you a thing.

 Yesterday I begged you
 before I hit the ground,
 all I leave behind me
 is only what I found.

Someone blowing their brains out (the "I" in the 4th -8th line being the 
suicide victim talking).


>	Black Throated Wind may start out about alienation, but I think,
>	in the end, he's trying to understand why whatever happened happened,
>	and he wants to get on with his life, with this as a lesson.

Yup, ends with a sorts of "screw you all, turn is around,thats what I'm gonna
do".  Actually, re-reading the lyrics, I think its about a love gone bad,
prompting the singer to hit the road:

 I left Saint Louie, the city of blues,
 in the midst of a storm I'd rather forget.
 I tried to pretend it came to an end,
 cause you weren't the woman I once thought I'd met.


 - josh_student_of_Hunter/Garcia_&_Wier/Barlow_lyrics

>>    Bird Song always made me soar, not think of death...
>
>	/Ken, fwiw, I think that's EXACTLY what it's supposed to do...

    I know I know ;-)

>Thought I've read somewhere that Weir wrote this as a result of a 
>_real_heavy_ trip, the kind where one experiences that cosmic ego death.

	Josh, I thought the part you quoted as "The Other One" was
	actually "Cryptical"...and then I kinda figured that part was
	written by Jerry cause he's the one that sings it?

	but, in any event, what you've described above, if it's about
	"The Other One" is pretty cool to know because that is some
	pretty powerful music there...

	so anyways, I guess I figured that Cryptical was about Neal
	Cassady because it envelopes(d) The Other One, which mentions
	him.  That part does seem to be about his death.  But The Other 
	One still doesn't seem to to me...

>>	And "China Doll" is an exasperated "WHY?"
>Pretty sure I read someplace this is about a suicide:

	oh yeah, I knew that...
	I could never figure out who is saying what when but there
	are definately more than one speaker.	
	(I'll think about this some more next week cause I wanta get 
	outta here now...)	

	;-) 
	Debess

>>    Bird Song always made me soar, not think of death...
>
>	/Ken, fwiw, I think that's EXACTLY what it's supposed to do...

>>    I know I know ;-)


	of course you do, how could you not?!? ;-) ;-) ;-)

Somehow I forgot to mention Pearl Jam (regular, not with Neil).
I got into them over the summer and have quickly gobbled up 
everything they've released (though not all the singles, just the
essential ones ;-).

THey're a great band with a great attitude, and can really play!

/Ken

    
    I agree about Pearl Jam.  They really crank.  

Alison Krauss - a new wave of bluegrass, great vocals, some interesting covers,
very traditional acoustic instrumentation - fiddle, mandolin, banjo, guitar, etc.

Jim

    i've seen Alison several times, with and without her band Union
    Station...  imho, she is the BEST at what she does...  wonderful
    fiddle player...
    
    now, if she'd allow her stage persona to grow up the way her real
    self has...  that's my only complaint...  the last few times i've seen
    her she's still been trying to pull of the cutesy little girl stuff
    that worked for her when she was a teen age wonder...  now that she's
    a young woman and a star in her on right, she should lose the star
    struck kid attitude...
    
    					da ve

    Any recommendations on Alison Krause albums?  I've been looking at
    them for a few years now, but there's so many to chose from!
    
    PeterT
    

    i'm afraid not PeterT... :^(  i no longer own any of her studio
    stuff...   worse than that, my only bootleg of Alison got chewed too...
    
    the only studio release i had was an old one, and i think it was just
    called "Alison Kraus and Union Station"...  she was still pretty young
    at the time...  maybe 19? 20?  not sure...
    
    i used to have a boot of her playing at a bluegrass festival in
    MEchanics Hall in Worcester...  she sat in with Northern Lights and
    then with Tony Rice...  (Daves Russo and Clark should remember that
    show!)  i pikced the tape up from Oz Barron i think, who used to play
    with Northern Lights and then with me in Cross the Water and with 
    Bruce Mandaro and i in our short-lived bluegrass project Bruised
    Orange...  it didn't last long though...  my old tape deck made short
    work of it one winters morning...  :^(
    
    she does still come around now and again...  last time i saw her was a
    couple of years ago at the Somerville Theater...  the Boston Bluegrass
    Union usually carries some sort of notice in thier newsletter when she
    comes around...  next time i see one i'll try and point it out!
    
    					da ve

    I think Alison prolly plays at OVK occasionally too...I'll ask my bro
    about her studio stuff, I know he's got something by her...
    
    Wes

The CD I have is a compilation of (supposedly) her best stuff to date.
I forget the title, but if you pick up a handful at a record store it 
is pretty easy to spot due to the dates beside the tunes (1987, 1992, 
1994, etc).  I think it has a picture of her face on the cover.  This 
lady can sing and play the fiddle (and cello).

Jim

>    Any recommendations on Alison Krause albums?

  My favorite is "I've Got That Old Feeling".  This album was among the best
  3 or 4 albums of its year ('90?) in any genre, and IMO deserved the same
  shower of awards the compilation is getting.  (It did get a Grammy I
  think.)
  
  Feeling is one of her "solo albums" -- this means she takes all the
  vocals, rather than giving a handful to the Union Station guys, and no
  bluegrass instrumental romps are included.

  I find the '95 compilation pretty weird -- it picks only 1 cut from each
  album (hitting none of my favorites).  But it does throw in a bunch of
  misc. & new cuts that are worth having it for, even if you own the
  original albums.  There's one cut I really love, the one culled from a
  Jerry Douglas album.  - Jay

    another album (am i the only one who keeps calling them albums? :^)
    i got recently was Bruce Hornsby's "Harbor Lights"...  some really
    good stuff on it, including some nice tasteful contribuions by Jerry...
    
    i understand Bruce has a new one out now called "Hot House"...
    i haven't checked it out yet, but i will...  i've been a fan of Bruce
    since his first album with the Range...
    
    					da ve

>    another album (am i the only one who keeps calling them albums? :^)

	No, da ve, your not the only one.  Album is a term that is as
appropriate for a CD as it is for an LP vinyl record.  In the early days of the
recording industry, playing times for records were fairly short.  A recording of
a classical work came on many vinyl disks that were grouped together in a book
of sleeves that came to be called an album.  As time went by, and more and more
works began appearing on a single disk, the term "album" stuck.  It is therefore
more appropriate to refer to something like "One from the Vault," which is two
CDs in a little booklet, as an album, than it is to call the vinyl version of
"The Golden Age of Wireless," which is a single LP disk, an album.  However,
modern usage has album meaning a long recording, so the media, or the number, no
longer matters.

Mark

  I call 'em albums too...
  
  Every now and then I paw through my mother's Billie Holiday and Bessie
  Smith "albums" from her childhood.  The Billie Holiday one (actually
  issued under the session leader, Teddy Wilson's, name) is five 78s, each
  in its own paper sleeve, which you can leaf through.
  
  It looks and handles exactly like a photo album, except it contains
  phonographs rather than photographs.  Literally a phono album.

  The 78s are thick & heavy, and the whole thing is pretty unwieldy.  Today
  the same album (with 2 cuts added) is available as the Columbia "album"
  Lady Day.
  
  Finding hot small-group gems like "Miss Brown to You", "What a Little
  Moonlight Can Do", "I Cried for You", etc., back in 1939 must've been a
  trip.  Billie Holiday with Teddy Wilson, Lester Young, Benny Goodman, Ben
  Webster, ...  while all your friends were listening to pale (literally)
  imitations, light opera, or classical.  Like finding the key to the
  universe...   - JayC.

    Alison Krauss (proper spelling finally :^) records on Rounder
    Records...  
    
    Rounder has a web site at http://harp.rounder.com
    
    for more information about Alison, her released stuff, and the whole
    rounder catalog (whihc has some Waaaaaay cool stuffin it) surf over and
    check it out...  don't knwo what they use for a server machine, but
    i recommend visitng in off-hours as my response times there have been
    kinda slow...
    
    						da ve

    
    cds in the truck this month....are
    
    100 Year Hall   Grateful Dead 72
    
    Europe 72       Greatful Dead
    
    new Joe Satriani
    
    Neil Young.....Mirror Ball
    
    Birthday Salute to Duke Ellington
    
    Steely Dan Can't Buy a Thrill
    
    Paul Simon Rythem of the Saints
    
    
    peace....
    

     
    OH AND I FORGOT....
    
    new Ziggy Marley
    
    new Collective Soul
    
    and Jefferson Airplane (you know the one with Jack Cassidy face down at
    the end of a long table of empty wine Bottles)!!!
    
    peace...
    

>    and Jefferson Airplane (you know the one with Jack Cassidy face down at
>    the end of a long table of empty wine Bottles)!!!

	_Bless it's Pointed Little Head_
	
	grate album!! (live)

    ditto on "Pointed".  If you're talking about great bass, it doesn't get
    any better than Casady on this record.
    

>   <<< Note 506.54 by STAR::ECOMAN::DEBESS "SomethingNewIsWaitingToBeBorn" >>>
    
>	Wharf Rat IS dark, desperate, depressing BUT THEN "I'll get up and
>	fly away"  I love that part.
    
    But then it turns dark again after August West's story when the singer
    starts to doubt his girl's fidelity.  The theme of the song can be
    summed by the platitude "There, but for the grace of God, go I."
    
    Just catching up on an old digression.
    
    Jamie

hey now;
back in here.
724 behind this morning.
not good.

anyways, i blew a head gasket on the nova last week.
not good.
i replaced it myself, doing a lot of the work on sat.
i cranked jerry tapes for about 7 hrs!!  jerry
injection!!

btw, the nova is back running again.
that was a biiiiiiiiiiiiiggg job!

    
    HEY!  You had some help Pali!

Stuff to listen to:
	
	Phish --  Just can't beat these guys at this point.  Although it is
		understandable how some may feel after their first show,
		not having listened to much beforehand, I think that if one
		were to allow themselves the time to listen to some studio
		stuff for a while the shows would become more enjoyable.
		There just aren't many bands out there that have a complete
		ensemble of extremely talented musicians, such is Phish.

	Max Creek --  Saw these guys for the first time about 2 weeks ago in
		Providence at the Living Room.  Apparently they've been 
		together for about 10 years and doing dead covers for most of
		that time.  Now they are playing their own and it blew me 
		away.  A very tight group that shows their experience playing
		together.  A must see...thurs. Feb 8 @ Paradise in Boston
		and Fri. Feb 9 @ Lupo's in Providence.

	Widespread Panic --  Do I need to explain this.  Buy 'Everyday' and
		'Space Wrangler' and you won't be disappointed.

	Eddie Bush Group --  From the Carolina's, not sure you'll see much of
		them in new england just yet, but keep your eyes/ears open.

	Dave Matthews --  Come on now people, are you seriously considering
		dmb and green day in the same conversation!  Dave has some 
		great tunes and wonderful talent in his group.  Saw them live
		in Charleston, SC at The Citadel...great show, can't wait to
		see them again.  Highly recommend 'Remember Two Things'.

	Percy Hill  --  Fairly new band from UNH.  Still unreleased but you
		can grab their two Cd's at their shows.  They played Paradise
		about 3 weeks ago, and rotate around the maine, n. hampshire,
		mass. areas regularly.  Major influences are Allman Bros. and
		Dead primarily...but don't expect covers, these guys have their
		own great stuff and their hot!!!

	We'll try more later...see ya..................multibeast

    percy hill is very good....
    check out born naked if you are a phishmonger as they are, i am told,
    much alike
    
    max creek used to be up at the state u all the time,,,,....did a nice
    cassidy every now and then.....

    Max Creek has been around for a looong time I beleev, and have been
    doing their own material for quite some time as well...I saw them at
    Brandeis U at an outdoor show about 3? years ago, don't remember any
    Dead covers...Grate band thought, they could really rockit

    we just missed the WideSpred acoustic tour here in colo spgs LAST
    FREAKIN WEEK! 
    
    I  can't afford to pay much attention...
    
    
    rfb

    
    >max creek used to be up at the state u all the time,,,,....did a
    >nice cassidy every now and then.....
    
    Yeah, one of the many trip shows me and friends would check out
    when I was in high school.  They've been around at least 12 years.
    
    One night I snuck into the old Lupo's when I was 14 for the Creek.
    They jammed out St. Stephen, Dark Star, Scarlet Begonias, Season 
    of the Witch and I know you Rider...all in one set!  Another time, I
    was 15 and we went to Dean Jr College to see em, afterwards, a
    fraternity crowd came around and beat everyone up!  I wrote quite 
    a letter to the college never to hear anything back. Place must suck! 

re: Max Creek

They've been around for at least 15 years.  I graduated from college in '81,
and saw them sometime in '79/'80 I think (memory of that time a bit hazy ;-).

Great band, I'd like to see them again soon!

/Ken

    
    Fryday night sounds like a definite maybe for me.  
    
    	Mark

    Started to listen to Bush, not bad.

    tdavis
    you gave in to the dark side!!!
    next thing you know you'll be listening to Reagan..
    
    :^)

    NIXON!!!!!

    Not that far right....., talk about over the edge

    hey Chris, are you telling us it's your birthday????  
    
    if so, have a happy! :^)
    
    				da ve
    
    ps.  if not, it must have been some sort of joke that went winging by
    my head so now i'm foolishly and publicly admitting i didn't get it...
    :^)

    no go da ve
    i am a libra
    an unbalanced individual with a balanced sign...
    But it is RRR's birthday....
    Let's just hope he remembers how to blow out the candles
    
    :^o

    I heard there is gala party for him, but due to his illness
    he does not feel comfortable in public...

The unofficial word (I heard some of his friends wishing him a Happy B'Day)
was that yesterday (never did log in here yesterday!) was/or was close
to, Jeff Strobel's Birthday.  Hope it was a good one man...


PeterT

    
    When's the party Jeff? How old are you now?
    
    Happy Birthday. Best of everything!
    
    Cath

    I turned 41 on Jan 31.............
    
    rfb

>    I turned 41 on Jan 31.............

Remember, as (I think) Jeff Strobel himself told me last October,
it may be 41 decimal, but it's only 29 in hex! ;-)

tim

    tell my grey hair that........
    
    rfb

Well, happy birthday anyway, old man. ;-)

    well jeeeeeez  talk about a low key bday!   hopefully you went out
    and destroyed yourself a bit??
    
    

	hey jeff - just saw you today and you never let on that you're
	birthday_celebrating!  happy birthday to ya...

	and rfb - I'm sure you're still celebrating too - Enjoy!

	Debess

    actually, we have post-poned my b-day celebration. Lindsey was sick for
    6 days last week and Patty has been sick for seven days, one right
    after the other. So we thought it best to postpone for a
    week...besides, then it will be real close to our aniv. and Patty's
    b-day and we can do it up right and will probably end up in the
    hospitol. 
    
    rfb-taking longer and longer to recover each year

	I turned 41 in prison doin' life without parole...  8-)


	Happy_B-Day !   Jeff & rfb


	Toby

Drank too much geritol celbrating Reagan's birthday to enjoy my own! ;-}

thanks for the birthday wishes

jeff

    
    There you go again, Jeff - dropping names
    
    

    first it is metamucil...then geritol
    where does it stop with you people?

	<--- shaddap and take your pepcid ac.
	
	;-)
	

    Divide Dave and I were having a few beers and listening to the news last
    nite. They mentioned that Ronny has  anew CD-rom out containing his best
    jokes and stories....we decided it must be blank or be full of
    alzhiemers jokes (I know, that last one wasn't funny)
    
    rfb

	been listening to early Danny Gatton. (actually, i started going
	through all of the danny gatton albums, start to finish.)
	
	on an album called "Radneck Jazz" he does a version of Canadian
	Sunset that is 12 minutes of pure silk.

    Blues Traveller, "four".  Can't get this thing out of the cd player!

    Heard a rumour they're playing Letterman tonight but I'm not sure

    Beatles Anthology 2         of course, being the Beatle-maniac that I
    am I'm gonna suggest you get this, but GET THIS !!!  It's not only for
    "collectors"  there are some unreleased songs, versions of songs that
    I've never heard before, and I'd heard a lot of that booted studio
    outtake stuff...and some remixes that are just blowing me away.
    
    EMI/Capitol/Paul, George, Ringo  have really done a GRATE job with this
    set. The liner notes are invaluable, there is an order form for various
    types of Beatle t-shirts, organic, hemp products (backpacks etc) hats.
    
    Some personal highlights...Yesterday, Take 1...Paul McCartney...alone
    on acoustic guitar and vocal, some pre-take bantering, teaching George
    the chords, and then a STUNNING version of the song...sans strings...
    It is the only alternate studio version of the song, as take 2 was the
    released version.
    
    (Beatle Note: Many early Beatle classics were 1 take toonz, especially
    Paul toonz, the way they worked in the studio was amazing)
    
    Eleanor rigby, string only...Within You without you instrumental
    version, and your Bird Can Sing (many giggles) 
    I'm Looking Thru you take 1...cool
    Strawberry Fields Forever...a few different takes, way cooool
    A Day in the Life...complete with John's instructions where to mike the
    piano, and his "Sugar Plum Fairy" countoff
    
    last but not least, Across The Universe...John on vox and acoustic
    guitar with a little instrumentation behinf him, but not the LEt It Be
    Phil Spectorized string/choir version...AWEsome
    
    well, I won't spoil all the fun, but I think this volume 2 will be the
    best of the 3...
    
    Wes
                                                                      

  I agree that Beatles Anthology 2 is grate...
  
  [Though being especially a Lennon fan, and not so much a Sgt. Pepper fan
  (relative to Rubber Soul & Revolver), I would single out the first disc of
  this, plus the second disc of Anthology I, as my faves so far...
  
  Lennon's vocals on those 2 CDs blow me away -- it's true what someone
  comments, that Lennon was born to sing rock (while McCartney among other
  great ones had to learn & adjust).  Several of the vocals are much rawer
  and more intense than what got released at the time.

  It's also true what someone else commented in notes, that the grate sound
  on these Anthology CDs makes you wonder at the relatively poor(er) sound
  on the official releases.  Well, at least now we know it's fixable!  ]
    - JayC.

JayC...while I agree for the most part Lennon was born to sing rock, I don't
understand the phrase "McCartney had to learn and adjust"  I truly think he was
Lennon's equal in singing...plus, Paul ROCKS on LOng Tall Sally or I"m Down,
while John is perfectly sweet on In My Life or Across The Universe...

just some more Beatle opinion from me :)))

Wes

	i saw an article yesterday where there was some dispute over
	making stereo releases from the original mono. i'll try and
	highlight some of it if i get the chance.
	
	also heard there are two Anthology 2's. there's an unofficial one
	for sale if you got the bucks. differs from the official one in
	the number of songs and they're order on the release. i'm looking
	for more info on this.

JayJolls...I heard from a Very Reputable Beatle Collector that Anthology 2 was
set for release, and McCartney scrapped it...I'm Down was going to be song #5
on disc 1, but he wanted it as song #3...apparently Millions of $$$ were lost
due to Macca's request...The Beatles (Paul in particular apparently) were quite
involved, and quite attentive to Detail on these releases...

but, yeah, there prolly is an "unofficial release" available...re" comments on
sound quality...it's been a sore sport for avid Beatle fans/collectors for
YEARS that the sound quality of the offical Apple cd's are bogus in some cases.
for instance, the first 4 "albums" (and keep in mind they mimic the UK vinyl 
releases,not the USA Capitol monstrosities we grew up with) are all Mono mixes.
There is room on a cd for the mono mix and the stero mixes...

oh well, EMI/Capitol/Apple will get more $$$ from us in the future...and that's
part of the reason why the anthology is soooo coool, the mixes are different
from the official releases, and sound better in some cases

Debess, THANX for quoting some Beatles...Tomorrow Never Knows for sure !!!

Wes

> Debess, THANX for quoting some Beatles...Tomorrow Never Knows for sure !!!

  BTW, interesting version of "Tomorrow Never Knows" on Anthology II...
  Totally different drum track, among other things.
  
>	i saw an article yesterday where there was some dispute over
>	making stereo releases from the original mono. i'll try and
>	highlight some of it if i get the chance.

  Many potential mono/stereo ratholes when it comes to the Beatles...
  Here's one:  Mono mixes of every album up through "White Album" were
  released -- and ( just my opinion ) the mono mixes are uniformly far
  better (up through Sgt. Pepper).
  
  Esp. for Sgt Pepper.  The CD stereo mix ain't too shabby but, played side
  by side, it doesn't match the original mono mix for LP.  (I'm not alone in
  this opinion, not that it makes me right...)
  
  [And don't event get me started on Dylan Highway 61 & Blonde on Blonde --
  so many putrid stereo (re)mixes of those...  Admittedly I haven't checked
  out the 24-bit CD stereo mixes.] 
  
  Not that the *sound* on the Beatles/Dylan stereo mixes is ever that bad,
  and I'm not a "back to mono" pedant either -- specifically it's the mix,
  the blend of instruments, the levels, artificial separations of vocals,
  rhythm tracks, key overdubs.  (JMO.)

> I don't
> understand the phrase "McCartney had to learn and adjust"

  My basis for saying that is listening to McCartney's very early vocals.
  Even his early I Saw Her Standing There and early Little Richard covers.
  It seems to me he was nowhere near the level he reached, after they
  started making albums, with Long Tall Sally, I'm Down, [Kansas City,
  Helter Skelter, etc.]  (as I hear it anyway).  Almost seems like he was
  uncomfortable singing "rough" at the outset, maybe had to be egged into
  it.  Whereas Lennon seems to have been ready to shred from the outset.
  Maybe I'm imagining things...  8)   - JayC.

    
    
    
    "Bold As Love"    loud    all the way in today
    
    		Thank you Jimi 
    
    carol
    

    Hornsby and Friends/ 4/12/96 Set 2 Fillmore, S.F.  
    Valley  Road
    Sugaree*
    Western Skyline*->
    Masterpiece*
    Jack Straw*
    Truckin'*#->
    Lovelight*#->
    N.F.A.*#->
    E-The Weight*#   This show was played great and the sbd
    *-Bob Weir       sounds real nice...
    #-Phil Lesh                       Ross     
    

>    Masterpiece*

bob kinda has a fun time trying to sing to the NFAish beat
the band is playing...!

>    Jack Straw*

kinda sad.
bob does his part, bruce sings jerry's part.
where's jerry? 
:-(
bruce does a grate job...but, it ain't jerry.



highly recommend this tape

	I have this tape from Jack Straw on from the GDHour...
	when Phil hits the stage - the crowd reaction is reminicent
	of when Dark Star was brought back in Hampton
	or when Unbroken Chain was first played live last year

	I must've crossed over some kind of invisible line, JC,
	when I listen to Bob and Bruce do Jack Straw - it doesn't
	make me sad to -not- hear Jerry in the tune - I like hearing
	what they do.  I guess I have moved on in that way, somewhat?

	I do still get sad though, listening to Dead tapes, and
	-hearing- Jerry...

	go figure.

	Debess

	this tape I have of that show, also has an interview at the
	end with Bobby and Gans.

	Gans is saying that it was great hearing Weir play with Hornsby,
	but the crowd was incredibly blown away to have Phil come out.

	and then Weir, in agreement, relates this little story that
	Hornsby told him.  Seems that Bruce had invited one of his
	"jock friends" to the show.  And, as Bobby tells it, "this guy
	doesn't know too much about music, doesn't know dick about the
	Grateful Dead", and the guy tells Hornsby "I'm standing there
	and this guy comes out on stage [Phil], and then the guy
	next to me starts -crying-"!!!   It's so funny to hear Bob
	tell this story, and hear him laugh about it.

	Debess

re: sadness...I popped in 7/9/95 Soldiers Field in the truck yesterday after
work, Karen and I on the way to my softball game... I showed her the tapes and
explained that it was Jerry's last show, a year ago...I think it's sad in
retrospect, to listen to Jerry's voice at that show...you can almost hear him
fading away, in his voice...and while I was saddened for a minute, I just had
to smile and laugh...Jerry woulda laughed (methinx) if he had heard the tape,
and remembering that he died with a smile on his face, that made me smile.

His Spirit is smiling and laughing At and With all of us I'm sure...

Wes

    Re:4-12-96 Hornsby and friends
    The first set is also great if you like solo Hornsby..
    It has a bunch of songs from his latest album Hot House..
    It also has a nice version of China Doll..
                                   Ross

    I absolutely LOVE that little story U just put in Debess...
    "the guy starts -crying!" gotta love it! 
    
    These days, when i slap in a tape and Jerry is inFREAKINcredable I don't get
    sad...I usually look at whoever is with me (or inside myself) and say
    something like "JJEEEEEEEZZZZUUUUUSSSS! Listen to Jerry there!"
    
    or if the song is lame, I just laugh...like Jerry used to laugh at
    himself when he screwed up ( I have that on a few tapes, where the boyz
    are tryin to play or harmonize and they just plain screw up and then U
    can hear them as they turn from the mikes and bust up laughin!)
    
    rfb_FURTHUR!

    this morning on the way in played Albany 1995 - set 1.  on 'Row
    Jimmy..' and jerry couldn't remember the words  - i didn't get it then 
    that he was hanging_on_by_a_thread this time .. a real thread.  but now
    listening to the albany showz .. man it puts an achin' on ya. he was
    struggling i guess.  then i think about the excrutiatingly wonderful
    terrapin later in the run and i just can't stand to think of it being
    over.
    

	they say that time heals...and it does seem to...but
	every once in a while this aching feeling from the past
	jumps out to remind us that we've been scarred...

	Jerry left an amazing legacy on tape.  That is a treasure,
	but it's also very likely to bring some painful feelings
	to the surface for years to come - because they remind us
	of what we've lost and can't have anymore.

	I've been trying to experience his death as a spiritual
	lesson - cause it's so hard to lose someone you love -
	can there be anything positive about it.
	I'm trying to not dwell on what was and can't be anymore.
	And it's taking work to keep my mind in this set.
	I understand what you're saying - I'm there sometimes too -
	take care Carol...

	Debess

    re:can there anything positive about it (death)
    
    yes...we view death as a neg. thing. Many cultures viewed death as a
    positive thing (Egyptians) that U move on to bigger and better thaings. 
    NOw, Jerry didn't believe this, or he said many  times he didn't, BUT I
    DO DMAN IT ! Seems i've been thinking about death alot over the past
    year..from last Aug 9 to my dads close brushes with (and enevatibly,
    meeting with) death. we'll see each other in the after life...bet on
    it.
    
    jeezz...i sound like a tele-evengilist
    
    rfb_screw spelling

	instead of thinking of spirituality in the sense of an
	afterlife (i'll deal with that when i get there ;-)...
	I look at my life as an ongoing series of spiritual lessons -
	what do I get out of these painful or joyful or even ordinary 
	life experiences - and how do I react to and deal with them.
	It's my feeling that this is what life is all about - 
	I'm here at this time and in relationship with the people
	in my life because I'm to learn "lessons" from it/them all.
	I see, the older I get ;-), that none of us is going to
	get through this life without dealing with some real
	heavy duty life changing issues.  And it's up to us how
	we deal with them.  And if we don't deal so well this time,
	do we learn how to deal in a better way the next?
	The next time?...or the next life? !!!

	Debess

    
    Wow!
    
    I was invited to a CD release party last month in Burlington VT and
    couldn't make it.  I just got the CD last week and it's the most
    interesting compilation I've ever heard.
    
    It's called "Burlington Does Burlington"
    
    It's a bunch of local Burlington VT bands (Phish is on it) doing covers
    of eachothers songs.  Talk about variety.  It's a double CD and I
    *totally* recommend it to people in here.  You'll like it.

some info regarding moe. dates this fall :

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

September

9/6 Knitting Factory NYC NY 212-219-3006  All Ages

9/7 ADE New Brunswick NJ 908-846-7717  All Ages  with Freebeechicken,
    Yolk, and others day starts at noon with moe. playing 8pm - 12am,
    this will not take place at the ADE house, it will be at a farm close
    by call for more info or check the web page out after 8/26. All Ages

9/13 Cotton Club-Alanta Ga 404-874-1993 with ARU moe.set 10:30-11:15 18+

9/14 Caffeine-Augusta Ga 706-724-1310 with ARU moe.set 10:30-11:45 18+

9/17 Jackstraw's Charlotte NC 704-347-8960 all moe. doors open 9pm 21+ sorry

9/18 The Brewery Raliegh NC 919-634-7018 all opener Hipbone doors 9pm 18+

9/19 Trax or The Outback in Charlottesville Va

9/20 Middle East Philadelphia Pa 215-922-1003 W/ARU moe.set 11:30pm doors
     open 9pm. 18+

9/21 Equinox Festival Wilmers Park, Brandywine MD 301-888-1600. 2-day festival
     moe.day includes ARU,Solar Circus and others. moe.set 6-7:30pm All Ages


Rock The Vote Tour-moe. Moon Boot Lover, Yolk, Ominous Seapods   All Ages!!

25 Northampton Center for the Arts, Northampton Ma Advance Tickets -
413-584-7327 outside (413) 1-800-the-tick  Doors 7pm

26 Palace Theatre,  Albany NY 516-476-1000 advance  tickets  Palace box
office -Ticketmaster 518-476-1000  Doors 6pm

27 Ogden St. Music Hall, Bufallo Ny  Advance Tickets Box office or
Ticketmaster 716-874-1614 Doors 7pm

28 Alantis, Syracuse NY 315-475-8239 advance Tickets Box office or by
calling 315-475-8239


Rock The Vote Hotline - 212-252-2315

  Lately, and indefinitely into the future...  My newbie analog tape
  motherlodes arrived & include the following Dead shows:
        3/1/69          Fillmore West
        5/2/70          Harpur
        5/26/72 set 1   London
        4/2/73 mix      Boston Garden
        6/28/74 set 2   Boston Garden
        9/3/77          Englishtown
        10/10/82        Palo Alto
        3/3/87          Oakland
        8/18/89         Greek
        8/19/89         Greek
        9/10/91         Madison Sq. Garden
        7/3/94          Mountain View
        3/18/95 set 2   Spectrum

  I'll be navigating these for weeks -- I don't recognize most of 'em but
  I'm psyched.  The first time I'm going chronologically, starting with
  3/1/69 and 5/2/70...  Anyone heard of those?
  
  8)  8)  8)
  
  Also got the following unDead:
        LEGION OF MARY (Garcia & Saunders): 4/9,10,12/75 mix
                                            4/9/75
        VALENTINE'S DAY SHOW (Dead members): 2/14/95
        BRUCE HORNSBY: 8/27/95

  Also apparently duplicates of the following:
        5/8/77  Cornell
        9/10/91 MSG
        3/24/93 UNC
  The last 3 being highly popular shows all -- if they're really duplicates
  I'll be offering 'em in topic 70...    - JayC.

    jayc
    5/2/70 kicks ass

>    5/2/70 kicks ass

  Absolutely!  Just finished it.
  
  On to the '72 show (with Souls in Communion, which I've never heard, and I
  believe with Pig's last vocal turn, on Chinatown Shuffle).   Unless I've
  confused it with another -- one of the bunch has this.   - JayC.

	100 year hall

	I just bought this monday.... had it cranked last nite
	watching the Sox without sound.  fantastic Cryptical!
	love the Bertha too ... when I worked in WFO there was
	an older lady(named Bertha) who I used to sing that song too.
	Just a grate 2 CD's of music


	Toby

> 	love the Bertha too ... when I worked in WFO there was
>	an older lady(named Bertha) who I used to sing that song too.

My wife used to work with a Bertha.  Didn't really like her all
that much.  "Bertha don't you come around here anymore" was
often heard coming from Amy's direction ;-)

PeterT

	re -1


	8-) 8-) 8-)

Jazz Mandolin Project will be playing a CD Release Party at the
Middle East in Cambridge Mass on Saturday September 14  at 9:00

Jamie Masefield plays mandolin for JMP, with Stacey Starkweather
on bass, and occasionally has Jon Fishman on drums and/or Trey
Anastasio on guitar as special guests.

Should be a great show, regardless ... check it out !

  I'm up to 8/19/89, Greek Theater, in my "newbie-vana" trove...
  
  This is a great show.  How the tapeheads surveyed for Deadbase IX could
  fail to place this within the top 260 "hot tapes"...  in which 9 other
  shows from '89 placed... beats me!
  
  The previous night, 8/18, is pretty awful -- its only saving grace (to my
  ears, from just 1 listen) being the encores...  Black Muddy Water, in a
  stirring version; and We Bid You Goodnight, best version I've ever heard
  (I now officially like this song).  Vocals and group interaction on these
  2 encores are as strong as they were pathetic for everything before.  What
  woke the boyz up between Set 2 and the encore? (Hopefully, their consciences.)

  Anyway, 8/19 is a whole other kettle of fish.  Esp. in the 2nd set, which
  begins with a smokin' China Cat and never cools down...  I never heard a
  NFA taken over completely by the crowd, rhythm & vocals, though I know
  it's not unique.  Here, it's the perfect set closer (Set 1's wasn't bad
  either!).  Set list follows...  As always, your mileage may vary.  - JayC.
================================================================
Location: The Greek Theatre, Berkeley CA
Date: 8/19/89
Songs:
Let the Good Times Roll
Jack Straw
We Can Run But We Can't Hide
Tennessee Jed
It's All Over Now
Loser
Stuck Inside of Mobile   [crowd begins to chant "We Want Phil!" here...]
Box of Rain

China Cat Sunflower
I Know You Rider
Playin' in the Band
Uncle John's Band
Playin' reprise
drums
The Other One
Wharf Rat
Not Fade Away

Foolish Heart
================================================================

  Cross-posted in case anyone cares to recommend some tasty reggae...

  One guy e-mailed to suggest the Steel Pulse compilation in Island's Reggae
  Masters series.  - JayC.
  
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HELIX::CLARK                                         25 lines  27-JAN-1997 12:47
                             -< reggae java break >-
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  I'm on a reggae listening tear of late, and I'm looking for suggestions...
  Thought I'd try here before checking "the literature".

  I'm looking for...  worthwhile compilations or collections, like these:
  
        The Harder They Come (soundtrack w/ Jimmy Cliff et al.)
        Tougher Than Tough (4-CD Island compilation)

  (For example, are Kong or Trojan compilations mentioned earlier in the
  string available on CD?)

  Also looking for more of the real musicmakers of substance -- the ones
  whose whole careers are worth exploring, who have at least 1-2 dozen songs
  worth hearing, like these:

        Toots (Hibbert) & the Maytals, Anthology (2-Island)
        Bob Marley & the Wailers, compilation or selected albums
        Burning Spear, Anthology (2-Island)
        Black Uhuru [w/ Sly & Robbie], Anthology (2-Island)

  (For example, is Steel Pulse in this league?  Haven't heard 'em.  What
  about 90s guys my kids are listening to, like Shaggy?)

  Any interesting hybrids, like the reggae tribute to the Grateful Dead?
  Pointers appreciated!  - Jay

    I've been listening to Zappa alot.  I'm on a mission to acquire as much
    of a complete collection as my budget will allow.  Since it's all
    available on Ryco, the only thing stopping me is money.
    
    My latest acquisitions:
    
    	Make a Jazz Noise Here
    	Guitar
    	The Grand Wazoo
    	The Man from Utopia
    	The Lost Episodes
    
    		dave
    

    re .168
    
    Columbia House carries most of the Zappa catalog, if you're interested
    in joining a club.  I did the math before joining, and the average
    cost/CD works out to $6-7 depending on how much effort you put into
    getting the best deal.
    
    Check out www.columbiahouse.com and search their catalog.
    
    Jamie

Merle Haggard - Down Every Road (4 CD retrospective from 1961-1994).
This is the Bakerfield country music sound.  Haggard has the reserved 
reputation of being one of the very best singers AND songwriters.  There 
is not a bad cut on this set.  If you like "Momma Tried", you should 
hear the original version that was the radio hit.  Also, Haggard's band
The Strangers is one of the best.  Good stuff here.

Jim

    re: Merle...  I was just thinking about C&W lately, trying to
    think about who was worth listening to in these days of BarfBrooks...
    C&W is starting to go through the same cycles as rock, with the
    suits taking the edge off and making it lifeless in order to 
    sell more product...
    
    Merle Haggard and Johnny Cash were the folks who came to mind...
    Probly  Hank Williams, although I'm not at all familiar with his
    work.  Older is probly better....  
    
    I do remember getting annoyed with Merle when he was waving the
    flag, though...
    
    Gee, I guess this belongs in a different string?
    
    /b
    

re:  Reggae

>        Bob Marley & the Wailers, compilation or selected albums

This is excellent;  The box that is.  The solo acoustic medley from his
hotel room in Oslo (Helsinki?) is worth the price alone.  That whole
thing is excellent and a nice retrospective.  

>        Burning Spear, Anthology (2-Island)

This is excellent as well!  I just picked it up.

There's another 4 cd set out I've looked at over the last couple
years called something like The History of Reggae.  Very wide selection
of artists and nice package.  I just didn't have the dough to spend
and still don't.

I have a bad gene somewhere and am waiting for the Yellowman comp :)
gotta love dat man.

bob

    
    
    Zappa!   :-) :-)
    
    
    Listened to Joe's Garage in it's entirety at loud volume the
    other day.
    
    
    
    

          <<< Note 506.173 by SALEM::MARTIN_S "Perpetual Smile..." >>>
    
>    Listened to Joe's Garage in it's entirety at loud volume the
>    other day.
    

Turn it DOWN!  You boys....
:)     
    
    

re: Zappa

Some good ones there probz!   I recently got "Make a Jazz Noise Here" in the
cutout bin @ strawberries, good deal!   Have heard good things about "Guitar" 
but don't have that one.

Grand Wazoo is such a classic!  If you like that style, Hot Rats/Waka Jawaka
is a must.  Those are among my favorites.

I also just got "The Lost Episodes" from a cd club called CD-HQ, a subsidiary 
of Columbia House (and MUCH better IMO).   Glad I only paid $5.99 for it...
it's one of those for historical purposes onlys ;-)

If you want something totally amazing, check out "Lather" (contains a lot of
or most of Live in New York, Orchestral Favorites, Weasels..., and Studio Tan).
Expensive but worth it.  And if you have no budget at all and want to be 
totally blown away, Civilization Phase III is highly recommended!  Zappa
worked on it for years, it's an opera about people who live a giant piano,
with amazing synclavier work. 

/Ken

  Just to help multiplex the reggae, Zappa, and C&W sub strings...   8)
  
  REGGAE:  Thanks for the reggae comments, will try to find that 4-CD History.
  
  ZAPPA:  My tape of the Dead UNC 3/24/93 has some great Zappa filler...
  First, Zappa's Jimmy Swaggart Texas-motel-room medley, which is several
  Beatles tunes but substituting lyrics about Jimmy, hookers, & Texas motel
  rooms.  Plus a great note-for-note cover of I Am the Walrus.  (This
  follows on the Dead's Lucy In the Sky encore, ya see.)
  
  C&W:  I devoured that Merle Haggard Down Every Road 4-CD set a few months
  ago -- great great stuff.
  
  Incidentally, the liner notes describe how "Okie from Muskogee" evolved
  from tour-bus wise cracking about road signs...  According to these notes,
  it was never intended to be taken as anything but a novelty song.  When
  Nixon seized on it and the spotlight turned on Haggard, well, it was not
  unlike when Bush seized on Springsteen's "Born in the USA"...
  
  Supposedly Haggard was pretty shocked at the reactions it got, and went
  into seclusion (for a couple of years) as soon as the media glare abated...

  As for this comment:
  
>    I was just thinking about C&W lately, trying to
>    think about who was worth listening to in these days of BarfBrooks...
>    C&W is starting to go through the same cycles as rock, with the
>    suits taking the edge off and making it lifeless in order to 
>    sell more product...

  I agree.  And Hank Williams (Sr.), absolutely, he's the absolute most
  worthwhile, period.  (The new hot "roots" country group, BR5-49, includes
  a guy whose Hank covers sound uncannily like the real thing...)
  
  But there's lots of good C&W off (or on the fringes of) country radio.
  Fwiw, when I constructed a CD library, with my kids in mind, a couple
  years ago, here's some of what went onto the country shelf...  - JayC.

MUSICIAN HEROES, FOREFATHERS, AND FAVORITES
===========================================
...
COUNTRY/FOLK    [incl. cowboy, western swing, bluegrass, cajun]
------------
JIMMIE RODGERS
CARTER FAMILY
WOODY GUTHRIE
BOB WILLS
BILL MONROE
HANK WILLIAMS
PATSY CLINE
GEORGE JONES
MERLE HAGGARD
WILLIE NELSON

Also:  Roy Acuff, Sons of the Pioneers, Merle Travis, Lefty Frizzell,
Hank Snow, Buck Owens, Loretta Lynn, Tammy Wynette, Dolly Parton,
Gram Parsons, Emmylou Harris, Linda Ronstadt, Eagles, John Prine, Guy Clark,
Lyle Lovett, Lucinda Williams, Jimmie Dale Gilmore, Iris Dement,
Alison Krauss, Vince Gill, Pam Tillis, Dwight Yoakam, Junior Brown
...

>    Wasn't that Reagan in'88?  I bleeve it was George Will who
>    showed his ignorance by suggesting Bruce as a flag-waving
>    poster boy...

  Ah, I think you're right.  The Reagan/Bush years blur together for me...
  
  What I really ducked back in to say -- the only reason Johnny Cash (not to
  mention Jerry Lee Lewis, other Sun artists, and probably even Buddy Holly)
  isn't in that CD library under Country/Folk is that, for the moment, he's
  on the Pop/Rock shelf (actually, these are entire walls, not just
  shelves).  Loking forward to hearing Cash's latest in fact.  - JayC.

>  The Reagan/Bush years blur together for me...
  

	for me too...i think it's cause i was pregnant or mother-of-infant
	for so many of them ;-)

    yeah
    12 years of misery

    Would you believe Pat Boone doing Metallica?

    Anybody catch this guy's outfit on the music awards earlier this week?

    Tom

The 4 CD history of Jamican Music is not all reggae since it starts with ska 
and goes through several phases of which reggae is the most recognized and 
popular.  The dancehall music is very interesting.  My vote for one of the 
best reggae CDs is the Marley Live album recorded at the Albert Hall in 
London.  Markley is just hitting it big and this is a show were he pulls 
out all the stops.  I would actually prefer the video of this since it 
great to watch and the video, I think, adds some additional songs.

Can't go wrong with a Hank Williams (Sr.) greatest hits CD.  Try to find 
one that has more than 12 cuts.  Williams was great.

There is a 3 CD Johnny Cash retrospective that covers everything of substance
prior to American Recordings which I would recommend if you like Cash.  
American Recordings is Cash accompanying himself on solo acoustic guitar.
This is pretty timeless music.

Listen to Bill Monroe if you want to understand where the blues got 
supercharged so it could turn into rock and roll.  I have the 4 CD set, 
but would probably recommend a greatest hits from the late 40's when 
he had Flatt and Scruggs in the band.  Peter Rowan and Vassar Clemens 
from Old and In the Way played for Bill Monroe.  If you are into 
bluegrass, you need to listen to some Bill Monroe.

If you want a country sampler, try the Columbia 5 CD set.  This is broken 
down into (from memory) Roots, Honky Tonk, Americana, Nashville and New
Generation.  This starts with the Carter Family doing "Can the Circle Be 
Unbroken" and includes 4-5 John Cash hits, Roy Acuff, a couple Bill Monroe,
a Merle Haggard tune, a whole CD of country novelty songs (such as Jimmy 
Dean's "Big Bad John" and Little Jimmy Dicken's "May the Bird of Paradise 
Fly Up Your Nose") and some Bob Dylan (Nashville Skyline stuff) and ends 
around 1980 with stuff like Roseanne Cash's (John's daughter) "Seven Year 
Ache".  BTW, these CDs can be bought separately and sometimes at the 
"Right Price".

Another good set is The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band's "Will the Circle Be 
Unbroken" 2 CD set which has almost all the greats in country music 
circa the late 60's including Mother Maybelle Carter, Doc Watson, 
Roy Acuff, but not including Bill Monroe (who was too much of a 
purist to consider playing with what looked like a bunch of hippies.  

Jim



Jim

                   <<< Note 506.181 by TEPTAE::WESTERVELT >>>
>    Would you believe Pat Boone doing Metallica?
>    Anybody catch this guy's outfit on the music awards earlier this week?

No but I heard ole' Pat on NPR the other morning touting his new Rock
and Roll cd :) 

Pat talked about his problems with Debbiw who had a poster of Hendrix
hanging on her wall.  He made her take it down.  He likened that to
breaking her will...she was obviously confused and didn;t even know
who Hendrix was let along what he sounded like...she only put the poster
up to be different.

:)  

Oh yea!  Pat said he'd didn't know anything about Jimi except for the
Star Spangled Banner.

Now he's covering AC/DC, Zep, Alice Cooper, and a whole slew of others 
I forgot -  Actually I think my brain and eyes glazed over as the piece 
was ending while AC/DC's "It's a long way to the top..." was fading out.

here's another gem:  "those are some good songs.  I never though to listen
to them."  

He's also changed a couple subtle references to sex etc.

File this with Golden Throats....

bobo

    I heard some of the record, it's really mind blowing.  
    But the best thing was the look on Alice Cooper's face when
    Pat came out looking like a refugee from the Village People.
    Priceless.

    Tom

    a deadhead/bluegrass friend from Calif had been trying to get me to
    listen to a tape he made us from some guys in Boulder, The String
    Cheese Incident. He says this is what the Blue Grass Fests in Calif are
    into (Strawberry, Grass VAlley, etc)...still haven't listened to
    it...%^(
    
    rfb 

    
    re: Zappa: Guitar
    
    If you like Zappa, get "Guitar"
    It's a double CD of all music (no funny stuff). It's somethin' else.
    Fan-friggin-tastic. Mostly 1984 stuff. (Wackerman on drums) :-)
    
    Also, the "You Can't Do that on Stage Anymore" series is nice.
    I have Vol 6. And it's great! 
    
    Steve-O (I didn't know there were this many Zappa heads here) 

re"    re: Zappa: Guitar
    
>    If you like Zappa, get "Guitar"

    THis is the second time a Zappa-head told me to get that one.
    I have the Shut Up and Play Yer Guitar box set (3 cd's), which is
    pretty nice, but I've heard "Guitar" is better.  

>    Also, the "You Can't Do that on Stage Anymore" series is nice.
>    I have Vol 6. And it's great! 

    Check out Volume 2, the Helsinki Concert.  

    If you'd like to get into some reall killer live Zappa from the 80's,
    "Does Humor Belong in Music" is a must.  The man could _wail_ on that
    guitar!

    /Ket

    This might be an appropriate time to mention that the Boston College
    FM station has a very fine country & bluegrass show on Sundays at 10AM. 
    It's non-commercial radio, so you don't generally hear this week's pop
    pap, but rather music that someone thinks is actually good.
    
    That show just happens to be followed by the (also very fine)
    psychedelic show at 2PM.
    
    Details:  WZBC, 90.3FM - not very powerful, I'm afraid
    
    10AM Sunday, "Sunday Morning Country", usual host George Hauenstein
    
    2PM Sunday, "Psychedelic Regressions", usual host Jamie Cohen (of
    Candles sound board/management fame)
    
    Cheers,
    Chuck

    My wife got me 4 Pat Martino CD's for Christmas, and a CD
    on Rykodisk called Venu, by Zakir Hussain and Chaurasian
    Hariprasad. 
    
    Venu was recorded in 1974 by Mickey Hart. It's just Indian 
    flute and percussion. Indian harmony is typically very sparse,
    just a drone note in the background and the scales establishing
    tension and dissonance. This CD is very intense when you're in
    the right kind of mood; say, dosing at sunrise :-). I wouldn't
    play it at a superbowl party. Definately worth checking out.
    
    Pat Martino is the god of jazz guitar. Nobody else even comes
    close. Pat can play as fluidly as anyone around, but what gets
    me is the sense of logical, almost mathematical beauty which
    comes through in his music. If you're into chaos theory or
    have read "At Home in the Universe", Pat kind of expresses
    those ideas musically. If there was one CD I'd get, it would
    be "Consciousness".

    Nice description of Pat's music there Dave; I concur.

    There's a Boston area guitarist and former disciple of Pat's, Garrison
    Fewell, who's playing gives me some of that same sense of awe.
    

    9-28-75 I , Golden Gate Park
    help->slip-->(sorta into) Music...Franklins a couple of songs down the
    setlist..also the ONLY Stronger Then Dirt (from Blues for Allah) I have
    on a tape. 
    
    rfb

    listened to John Hiatt's "Cry Love" disc last night and this
    morning...  some really nice stuff...
    
    				da ve

    Re: 506.191
    Is that the show where the announcer talks about a baby being born
    by the soundboard(or something like that)... tape that won't get out
    of my tape deck is Zero 7/29/95 Mishawaka, Co...gotta see these guys...
                                                            Ross
    

    re;
     Is that the show where the announcer talks about a baby being bornby
    the soundboard
    
    yep...also asking for a streacher, but I assume it's for the girl havin
    the baby..
    
    Shakedown Street used to have HUGE gigs at "The Mish" , but the place
    is right on the highway going thru Pouder Canyon, so the potential for
    mishaps got larger and larger the bigger the gigs got...last I heard,
    Shake is not welcome back at The Mish.....
    
    rfb

    DENVER 1990 NcNichols Shows....thinking about things this weekend as I
    tend to do on birthdays, got me thinking about JC, Tim Grady, Hoot
    Gibson, etc...happened to have those tapes at Tumbledown and played the
    shit out of 'em. Weird time for us back then, Patty was just getting
    over weird "seizures" that turned out to be TIA's (again Drs. were no
    help,, all "cured" through nutrion) and didn't go to the FRiday show
    (missed Dark Star) 
    
    Those tapes are killer.! Phil needs to listen to them and rethink his
    "...in the 90's there wern't to many grate times.." comment (OK, so I
    paraphrased him)
    
    rfb

    
    Caught Matt Guitar Murphy on Friday night.  Very good show.  Love that
    Harpers Ferry and the crowd was pretty cool.
    

Indeed, Matt Murphy cranks!  Seen him one time at the bull, which is
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay smaller than hahpers, and man-o-man was that intense!
had to see him on friday... and glad i did!


re: Zero
I have a few zero tapes and i have seen 'em once.
indeed a hot band!

    David Murray Octet-Dark Star
    this cd is jazz/horn arrangements of dead tunes by Murrays band..
    Shakedown
    Samson & Delilah
    Estimated
    Dark Star
    China Doll
    Sat. Nite
    Should of Been Me*
    ...if you like horns you'll like this cd..The highlight for me is the
    last tune written by Bruce Cockburn and Bob Weir..the song was written
    for the Satchel Paige suite/musical that Bobby is working on..on the cd
    its performed by Murray/sax and Bobby/acoustic...reaaaal nice..
                                                   Ross
    
    

    I got this last week, I like it! I am the only one at home that does.

    I've had this one for a while too. I like it! Instrumental versions of
    some of our favorites!

>    David Murray Octet-Dark Star

  I bought it a while ago too.  My initial reaction was that it was like a
  Dead show -- doesn't get on track until the 2nd half.  I still prefer the
  "second set" (DS, China Doll, Sat Night, E: Should), but have caught
  myself enjoying the "first set" too.

  Say, that *is* like a Dead tape...  - JayC.  

Found a moe. show in my mailbox last week from last years
"DeadHead Heaven" weekend concert at SUNY Purchase, NY

special guest David Gans (from the Grateful Dead radio show)
sits in on guitar on the song "Recreational Chemistry" - good
stuff !  I'll spin copies if anybody's interested - setlist:


 5-26-96 Deadhead Heaven, SUNY Purchase  Westchester, NY  180 SBD A
Seat Of My Pants, St. Augustine, Recreational Chemistry* / She Sends Me,
32 Things > Time Again, Brent Black, Ugly American / Moth, Dr Graffenburg
> Havah Negilah  E: Mexico / fill: 2-1-96 timmy tucker,buster,california
ghost of a child, spine of a dog,         * With David Gans on guitar

    I'm in...like I don't owe enough people blanks already...
    
    rfb

    SUNY Purchase?  Recreational Chemicals?  Oh man, don't remind me!
    
    Sylvester the Guinea pig, Mopeds, melting hillsides, and a meeting
    of Sri Chinmoy devotee's all dressed in these blue satin 
    basketball jackets. 
    
    I never did figure out if those Sri Chinmoy fans really did
    have painted faces, or if it was all the Recreational Chemicals!
    
    PeterT

  The bands list posted for the (massive, as usual!) '97 New Orleans
  Heritage festival [no, no Phish this year...] made me pull out of storage...

    Very Best of the Neville Brothers (Rhino).
  
  This is a single-CD compilation drawn from Rhino's previous compilations
  (Treacherous: History of the Neville Brothers [2-CD] and Treacherous, Too).

  I had forgotten how good some of the Nevilles stuff is...  Especially 60s
  singles (Tell It Like It Is) and 70s cuts from the Wild Tchoupitoulas
  and The Neville Brothers albums.

  Other superlative New Orleans compilations committed by Rhino are:

    New Orleans Party Classics (single CD - Prof Longhair, Huey Smith,
                   Dr. John, Nevilles, Toussaint, Fats Domino, on and on.
                   Lives up to its title, all the way!)

    the Prof. Longhair 2-CD anthology

  Rhino sures does this sort of regional compilation well -- in fact for
  Louisiana in particular.  The "Alligator Stomp" compilation (and its
  sequels) are fantastic samplers of cajun & zydeco...  And there are
  Louisiana blues compilations too.

  NO Party Classics is next in my player...  -JayC.

rfb is very good about getting blanks to people, i know, i speak
from experience...
:-) :-) :-)

                     <<< Note 506.203 by SPECXN::BARNES >>>

    I'm in...like I don't owe enough people blanks already...
    
    rfb

Two of my favorites are the Clifton Chinnier (sp?) 2 CD compilation (this 
is the mother lode of zydeco) and The Best of Beausoleau (sp?) with 
Michael Ducette (sp?) as a great cajun compilation.

Jim

    Jim
    Clifton Chenier 2 cd  compilation?
    
    i have bayou blues at home and love it

Two hours of Clifton Chinier is a bit much for me to take in one sitting 
(unless it had been live with beer and a big plate of crawfish etoufee).

There is not a bad cut on the two CD's.  I think this compilation covers 
more ground with some covers and variety.  It's worth having if you like 
Clifton Chinier.

Jim

  I don't have the Best of Beausoleil, just isolated cuts of theirs.
  I'll have to check that out.

  The title of the Clifton Chenier compilation is "Zydeco Dynamite:
  Anthology" (2-Rhino).  And I agree, it's fantastic.  Motherlode is right.
  It includes samples of every style he played (including early blues stuff)
  and every part of his career.  Obviously constructed with a lotta care,
  including great liner notes.  If you've already heard him and liked it, I
  don't see how you could go wrong with this set...  - JayC.

    thank you gentlemen

    I'm listening to Irma Thomas "Live: Simply The Best" (Rounder RCD 2110)
    right now and it's a great CD from the soul queen of New Orleans. 
    Irma's great and the recording is nice and crisp (it's from 1990).  Of
    special interest to Dead Heads is her medley of I Done Got Over/Iko
    Iko/Hey Pocky Way.
    
    Jamie

      Medeski, Martin and Wood...."Shack-man"  check it out...!

    
    I've been listening to that lately. Pretty cool groove jazz.
    
    No LeBlank, it's not Shaquille O'Neal's new RAP album.
    Don't get too excited.
    
     
    :-)
    

    whatever david duke

	any Dead Heads in the n'awleens area?
	please look for ::leblanc's sensahuma?
	
	i bet he dropped it leaving the game.
	
	:-q
	

    i'll keep an eye out for it when i go down in April/May...  :^)
    
    					da ve

  Latest (belated) discovery is "Elastica", by Elastica.

  Don't know much about them, but I'd peg them as girl-guitar-alt-rock...
  Descended from (or at least IMO aurally reminiscent of) Patti Smith c.'75
  and Debby Harry c.'76.  Good crunching, nuts&bolts guitar rock with good
  tunes.
  
  They were a critical sensation in '95, but only now am I getting to
  '95 in my purchases stack...

  Next up (down?), Pavement's critically acclaimed "Crooked Rain", from '94.

  Also continuing to dig the Black Uhuru anthology, and also Peter Tosh's
  "Equal Rights" (nice tunes -- though to my ears it needs remixing to bring
  the bass way up -- I'd hate to think CBS toned it down for the 70s rock
  marketplace...).    - Jay

  Started listening to 2/28/69, Fillmore West...
  
  The Cryptical > Other One > Dark Star > St. Stephen > The Eleven
  that leads off the 2nd set is bliss.

  On the way home I'll pick up with ... The Eleven > Death > whatever
  (Alligator, Caution, Bid You Goodnight).
  
  Dick Latvala has said this is a prime candidate for a future Pick.
  - JayC.

  P.S.  As far as I can tell, the Dead never actually performed my dream
        '69 sequence:  Cryptical>OtherOne>DS>St. Stephen>11>Lovelight.
        Every other combination but.

  Everyone mentions the "Black Muddy River" at the last show, for obvious
  reasons...  IMO the version of "So Many Roads" played at the last show is
  a truly special Dead moment.  Jerry connects with the song and the crowd
  is right there with him.
  
  A couple of measures in the vocal show he's still capable of musical
  surprise -- a mellismatic run he could not have pulled off in his 20s, or
  even (with such feeling) in his 30s...  (more surprising still given the
  wretched condition of his voice that night.)
  
  I haven't heard other versions, and people say the song was overplayed...
  Still, I hope this version emerges on a commercial release for all the
  fans to hear.   YMMV, JayC.

	Gans is playing the last show on the GDHour - last week was
	the 1st set and he said the 2nd set would also be coming soon.

	(I didn't hear the show - carol was visiting and I spaced it)

I've been listening to this lately:

Red House Painters - Songs for a Blue Guitar
Groundhogs - stumbled across a 1975ish BBC boot from Sweden 
DP VII
Bedhead's last one....
Misc dead tapes as I tape em.  

  "So Many Roads" is the 3rd song in the second set...

  I don't want to hype that moment as a major treasure -- but worth a listen
  IMO.  - JayC.

I've been on a Buddy Guy kick lately - 

Listening to "Five Long Years" on Eric Clapton's From the Cradle led me to 
two Buddy Guy versions of this.  The first was an old version (I'm guessing 
the early 60's) with Junior Wells - what a cut!  The other was from Guy's 
excellent Damn Right I've Got the Blues, which I think was the best version 
of the three.  In addition to the title cut, Damn Right I've Got the Blues 
has great versions of Mustang Sally and Where is the Next One Coming From.
The Very Best of Buddy Guy compilation had a cut called Stone Crazy which 
reminded me of an album of that name (which surprisingly does not contain 
the song Stone Crazy) that starts off with a stunning 9+ minute raving blues
number entitled I Smell A Rat.  I've heard great things about the Buddy Guy 
and Junior Wells album.  I will put that on my list of things to check out.
Guy comes to Boston pretty regularly.  He is worth going to see.

Jim

    
    Dave Matthews Band "Crash" has been in my disc player a lot...
    
    also John Hiatt's "Walk On"...
    
    also was just given the Radiator's "New Dark Ages"...  makes me
    psyched for vacation...  :^)  and a road trip to New Haven in a 
    couple of weeks...
    
    					da ve

> I've been on a Buddy Guy kick lately - 

  I know of at least a couple other Buddy Guy fans in this conference -- one
  recommended the same (most recent) Guy/Wells album to me.  (Haven't heard
  it yet.)

  If you haven't already, you might also want to check out the "Hoodoo Man
  Blues" album on Delmark.  These days it seems to be cataloged under Junior
  Wells, but Buddy Guy's on it.  Early stuff, might've been their first
  collaboration.

  Among other things, it has the version of "You Don't Love Me" on which the
  Allman's is closely modeled.  (Like Clapton's "Key to the Highway" is
  modeled on Little Walter's -- a near cloning...)   FWIW, JayC.

    re: Buddy
    
    Damn Right I've Got the Blues is a classic. Buddy's uneven, though.
    I bought his new live one (with G.E. Smith and the SNL band) and
    found it to be kinda bland. All the old stuff with Junior Wells is
    great.
    
    I've been into the Allman Bros. second set or whatever it's called.
    Back Where It All Begins, Soulshine, Jessica, truly a great CD. Every
    time I listen to it I get flashbacks to the phenomenal show they put
    on at GW last June.
    

    
>    gee, wasn't "somebodt" gonna seed a tree for this one?


	HA!  hey, I remember that too!  (except I was interested in
	the July show)

    well
    i got the one but in place of the other i have the aladdin theater

I'm a taker if this is goin' anywheres.

					.................davet.

    allright
    allright
    
    i'll get the OTHER show from old man leblanc
    ...my dubbing capacity is poop so if someone has a good deck to make a
    master i will plant the seed.....the aladdin hotel from las vegas is a
    good one as well

i have two decent decks, and i'll run a tree if you can
provide a seed ... let me know, i'd like to check these
tapes out myself 
 
once i receive the seed, i'll post directions for signing
up for the tree ... later on 
 
allman 
 

    ..I can't get Jerrys new disk How Sweet It Is out of my cd player
    at home..nice versions of Think,Tough Mama,Tears of Rage,Like a
    Road and personal fave Thats What Love Will Make You Do..
    ..the only shame is that they kept it to only one cd..
    ..car ride in today was devoted to 11/01/79 Nassau, NY Set II
    Scarlet->Fire-Samson-Terrapin-Playin... not sure what else is on this
    show, but it has some great early Brent on it..
                                                         Ross

Yeah, I just got the new Jerry CD.  Not bad.
Tough Mama definitely CRANKS !!
Whole CD is pretty good....

	The new Jerry CD is pretty good, but I wish it was a double set.
	The 3/91 Warfield shows were killer and had lots of material!  
	Everybody Needs Somebody to Love, Money Honey, Positively 4th St...
	At least there's the tapes...

	/Ken

  My tape trading luck has been sinfully grate lately...
  
  (Sinful is when you don't have to actually have to trade anything back in
  return...)
  
  To balance the karma, I'm going to be offering some (analog) freebies in
  here, including extras of 5/2/70 Harpur College, 4/29/71 Fillmore East,
  11/30/73 Boston Music Hall, 5/8/77 Cornell, 5/9/77 Buffalo, and
  3/24/93 UNC Chapel Hill.  (Postage-free since they're already spun.)

  Anyway, I got a tape of 6/14/85 Greek Theater and got to relisten to the
  Peggy-O that was used for Best of Jerry.
  
  I've been told there are better Peggy-O's, but that 4-times-round-the-barn
  guitar solo slays me every time!   - JayC.

    I think i have some/most of these, I'll check..but count me in!!
    
    Donkey-Shurne!!
    rfb

  Re: rfb & others...
  
  I'll post the offer in "Tape Requests and Offers" when the extras arrive
  (and I check their quality).
  
  Depending on how many people are interested, I can probably manage
  multiple sets of 2, 3, or 4 shows each, postage on me.  I could even lift
  a finger and spin some.
  
  *However*, if you don't have 5/8/77 Cornell, best to take advantage of
  JC's kind offer in topic 70 (not my yet-to-arrive extra).  If you listen
  to the Dead at all, the Cornell show is omnipresent and will find you.
  Resistance is futile.  You may as well get an A++++ copy.   - JayC.

    I have the Cornell show...might take JC up on the offer just to see if
    it's an upgrade, (don't think so)....love my tape...
    rfb

    Please count me in, folks

    Need new tapes!!

    Tom

    
    I'd like the Cornell, Harpur and Buffalo shows. Don't have any of
    that NY old stuff.
    
    Thanks,
    Cathy

    The Harpur show is pretty cool.  I had a tape with some songs on it
    that weren't on the DeadBase list, and finally figured out they
    were from the NRPS set with Bobby and maybe Jerry sitting in.
    Bobby singing a song about a sawmill
    
    "I used to be a slave at the sawmill,
    Talk about a dollar talk about a dollar,
    Talk about a dollar bill..."
    
    And a great Viola Lee Blue's...
    
    Ah, you're from Binghamton Cath!  So do you know if Sharkey's is
    still around (from my one trip through there many a moon ago...)
    
    PeterT
    

    
    RE: Ah, you're from Binghamton Cath!  So do you know if Sharkey's is
        still around (from my one trip through there many a moon ago...)
                                                                             
    Yo PeterT, Sharkey's is probably still there. Famous for cheap eats
    and the obligatory sleeze for Clinton Street bars.  I remember getting
    3 speidies for $1.00 there.  Dave Todd will know what those treats
    are, he's from that area too.
    
    Then there's the famous clinton street run.. more saloons per sq feet
    or something like that. Folks tell tales of doing a brew at each one
    at splashing out and the end..
    
    Sloan

>    I'd like the Cornell, Harpur and Buffalo shows. Don't have any of
>    that NY old stuff.

  It's interesting how many of the ultra-popular early shows were in New
  York...  Fewer after the Fillmore East closed.  And there's a 2nd (famous,
  but not as) Binghamton show.
  
02/11/70 Fillmore East NY
02/13/70 Fillmore East NY [Dick's Picks 4 & Bear's Choice]
02/14/70 Fillmore East NY [Dick's Picks 4 & Bear's Choice]
05/02/70 HarpurCol Binghamton NY
05/15/70 Fillmore East NY
09/20/70 Fillmore East NY
02/18/71 CapitolTh Port Chester NY
04/28/71 Fillmore East NY
04/29/71 Fillmore East NY
06/14/76 Beacon Theater NY
05/08/77 BartonHall Cornell NY
05/09/77 WarMem Auditorium Buffalo
11/06/77 BroomeAr Binghamton NY                 - JayC.

    ..listened to 12/31/82 New Years show last night...
    ..Etta James comes out for a few numbers one of which is Tell Mama,
    she goes into this small rap,something along these lines.."when you
    hear the Grateful Dead you hear the blues..how come ya have a name like
    that.."
    ..couldn't help but crack up because of her latter comments..
    ..I'd love any copies from 5/2/70,11/30/73 or 5/8/77, my Cornell copy
    is starting to sound like a dog..(willing to trade)
                                                        Ross
     

>    I have the Cornell show...might take JC up on the offer just to 
see if
>    it's an upgrade, (don't think so)....love my tape...
>    rfb


i'm always impressed by the sound quality of my copy, but
it is readily available and i'm sure others have copies sounding
equally as nice...  it is best to put it on a metal tape (that is
what mine is on) because of Phil !! he's outta hand that night
on the bass doing those big doooooooooowwwwwwwwooooooooopppppsss !!

    
    	Just got in latest CD order.  I had heard about God Street Wine, so
    ordered one 'o them.  'RED'.   Question:  I thought that these guys
    have been around for a Looonnnnnggggg time, but the liner says 7 years.
    Was there another GSW?  Or am I in a time warp?
    
    	The other selection was something from high school days.  I had
    won a 'stereo' HiFi, portable record player from a radio station.
    (portable my a**, the thing must have weighed 30 to 40 lbs.)  Since
    I was in tech school, I opened it up and installed a headphone jack
    'cuz my parents used to freak over my music.  (remember this as your
    'dren get older 8*))))  )  One of my greatest memories was sitting on
    the couch, doing homework, with the headphones on.  Where's my time
    machine???????  The album?:   Doors: Absolutely Live!!!!!!!!!  I
    was hooked.  Never looked back!!!!!!!!  I've been waiting for the day
    when this would come out on CD.  And there's only 24 seconds missing.
    (calc'd - I still have the orig. and replacement copies of vinyl)
    The year?  Approx.  '71 - '72.   Memories - don't you love 'em?
    
    		Glen(n) - who's almost ancient as rfb 8*))))) 
    
    	p.s.  I'm old enuf that my son asked if I was sad when the
    dinosaurs died.....
    

    RE: Glen(n) who's almost as ancient as rfb
    
    man, I'm gettin a reputation in here! but, ummm, i KNOW there's a few
    older....i liked the dinasaur comment from yer son, though, Glen(n)
       %^)
    
    I'm in a new building (CX01) for about a month now, were I used to work
    6-7 years ago, all the peopel I used to work with just haveta make some
    comment about my hair length (almost down to my waist) and color
    (mostly grey) "Ya know, if you'd get a haircut, most of that grey
    wouldn't show." stuff like that...and weird looks from chicks...
    
    rfb  
    rfb

    
    	Before I got this gig, I had tried to grow my hair.  I had always
    wanted to do the 'tail thing.  After a year, all I had was a thin,
    mousy tail about 5 inches or so.  The sides were like wings, always
    sticking out.  At the time I was trying to get a job, and finally
    realized that some folks just havta take appearance into consideration
    as to whether you can do the job or not,,,, so,,,, chop chop chop.....
    I almost look respectable now.....  (deadhead in disguise)
    
    	glen(n)
    

re: cutting hair
i always tell my mgr to get nervous when my
hair gets cut and the beard trimmed.
almost time to break out the mutton chops, goateee,
foo-man-choo, etc. as my beard will come off in pieces