Conference rdvax::grateful

IJWTK whats happened to the CARBUFFS notefile?  Lately (like last 2 weeks)
can't access it.  I'm trying it at SCAACT::CARBUFFS and I get
	Login information invalid at remote node

AFAIK SCAACT::CARBUFFS is the correct node for CARBUFFS.

 Josh

    re .-1
    
    WTF?  ICGIE. IBDFAVLT HYTCTM?  OW, WGARAA?
    
    JI

>    How does this companies programming community get by without this
>    capability???? 

  Through an assortment of hacks...
  
  From TPU/LSE/EVE you can issue a command (comprising a coupla nested
  function calls) to print the current character position...
  
  You can temporarily paste in a canned line to help you count -- e.g., 

123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 ...

  All pretty ridiculous.   - JayC.

    
    Anyone in here ever been to Denali in Alaska?  
    
    I would love to hear about your experiences/learning/advice about
    travelling/hiking in Denali.  Please send me email.

what would be a proper posting address to newsgroup rec.skiing.backcountry ?

something like  us5rmc::"rec.skiing.backcountry@what_the_hell_goes_here?"

 thanks, Josh

	hey deane-o, I thought you were planning on going to Tibet?

dean-o?  Tibet?  Isn't Tibet at a very high altitude?  Watch those lungs!

 Josh

I think it's as high as you can get ;-) - but I think Denali is up there too!

    Try the DECWET::ALASKA note. It may have some info about Denali.

    
    Thanks Mike!  I'll check it out.
    
    I'll be going to Tibet, eventually....that's more of a dream at
    this point whereas a blast to Alaska in 96 is reality.   The cost
    difference is so enourmous, I'll save Tibet for my elder years when
    I have some dough....right now about all I have is some flour and
    water and I gotta make the most of it.
    
    I found some real good airfares for round trip tix to and fro
    Anchorage.  From Anchorage, theres an inexpensive train that goes right 
    to Denali.  Once in Denali, all ya need is camping supplies, a wilderness 
    permit and definitely a camera as there are sights like noneother in
    the world, except for the Himilayas perhaps.
                                          

    a 44 mag is recommended in Alaska too....griz's ya know....but I don't
    think you can carry in the park???
    
    
    rfb

    
    If you're REALLY short on dough and you GOTTA get to denali, then the
    cheapest way is to hitch to seatlle, hop a ferry to Vancouver, don't
    get off in vancouver - it keeps going north. Get off in anchorage, and
    hitch to denali.
    
    Total cost: about $100 or less.
    Time to get there: variable. up to 3 weeks.
    Sights seen on the way: ones you sure as hell won't see from the air.
    	The ferry ride is gorgeous.
    
    But, you gotta be a little bit flexible to go this way.
    
    

    Fog has climbed Denali in a previous life.  Gerry Gladu is planning to
    climb it -- you may want to hook up with him.  I've talked to him quite
    a bit about it.  Most of the routes are fixed rope and require
    technical climbing skills.  A guide is also highly recommended. 
    
    They've clamped down on the number of permits issued due to the high
    number of deaths on the mountain.  This was a rather big controversy
    since a lot of the deaths and accidents involved Asian climbers who had
    a fatalistic attitude toward the climb.  That was fine for them, but
    the rescue attempts put the recuers in danger.  Outside (I think,
    whatever the yuppie armchair all-sports rag is) had an article a couple
    of years ago after a particularly deadly climbing season.  The best
    story was of a climber who fell into a crevasse and tried to avoid a
    slow death by chewing off his tongue.  They rescued him before he bled
    to death.
    
    Jamie

    
    I don't really think I would hike Denali.  It would require at least 3
    prior experiences in similar environments and being here in the
    northeast, there are no similar environments/altitudes.  Common sense
    needs to prevail.  
    
    I do plan on hiking the northeast flank up to about 16K where the
    hiking is relatively easy.  I'd glady work a camp 2 for anyone going to
    the top.

>    prior experiences in similar environments and being here in the
>    northeast, there are no similar environments/altitudes.  Common sense

I'd guess that hiking Mt. Washington in winter might be a start in terms
of weather severity, but not in terms of altitude.  Maybe you can duct-tape
your mouth closed and plug one nostril, to simulate the reduced oxygen
supply at altitude. :-)

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back a bunch of replies.... Jamie,  IJWTK :== "I Just Want To Know"  and
AFAIK :== "As Far As I Know".  Just some TLAs that are more than TL.  :-)

 Josh

    re .-1
    
    I figgered them out, I was just being a PITA.

  ROTFL.  :-)

Deane-o:
	Depending on time available, you could fly to Hong Kong or Taipei, 
catch a ferry to the PRC and a train or 2 to Tibet. When I went to Nepal 
the airfare wasn't bad. Check those little box ads in the Sunday Globe. 
I'll try to dig up the name/info of the "bucket shop" I used for airfare in 
SF.

jeff

    I realize that I'm getting on this bus very late...but I'm looking for
    recommendations of commercially available Pink Floyd CDs.
    
    I just picked up Pulse (I know that this is not the REAL Pink Floyd)
    and find that the music is really enjoyable.
    
    Is Ummagumma (the 2-CD set in the green box) a good one to get?
    
    I heard another live 2-CD set that my neice has and liked that one
    too...but can't remember the name and haven't seen it in stores.
    
    How much live stuff have these guys recorded?  
    
    I find a similarity to Phish in their use of melody, though
    stylisitcally they are worlds apart.
    
    	dave
    

                
    Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall have to be the two of the finest
    masterpieces on the shelves.  Yet there is so many others that stack
    up.  Animals, Wish You Were Here....I could go on. 
    
    Relics is an excellent compilation of really old material with Floyd's
    founder, Sid Barrett in his more sane days.
    
    If you see old live stuff....just buy it.  It's very hard to find.

    Dave, I'd recommend the re-mastered Dark Side of the Moon, Meddle, Wish
    You Were Here, Animals...Ummagumma is a great set, I don't have it on
    cd, but would get it...I'm not as familiar with Obscured by Clouds, or
    Atom Heart Mother (tho I've probably heard live cuts from those)
    
    The Wall of course too, but Dark Side, Wish you Were Here would be a
    grate start...
    
    Wes

    Meddle, Ummagumma, Wish U Were Here, and Obscured by Clouds would be 
    my choices....
    
    
    rfb_who used to be into early Floyd for expansion purposes

    small furry animals in a cave grooving with a pict..is that ummagumma?
    if s that is my recommendation

My favorite I think over all is Animals.  It used to be Wish You Were Here.
It would probably Dark  Side of The Moon but since I've overheard it I rarely
play it.

bob

Dave, these are musts:

    Wish You Were Here 
    Animals
    Atom Heart Mother
    Dark Side
    Meddle
    
/Ken

    Well, I have DSOTM and Pulse.  Looks like I have to find some resources
    for purchasing CDs.  Thanks for the guidance!
    
    	dave
    

    go Noteworthy for large CD purchases.....saves $'s.....
    
    rfb_who just purchased all the Beatles CD's that he didn't already have
    from RubberSoul/Revolover and up...

Noteworthy is great, I buy most of my CDs from them.  They've got a web site
http://www.netmarket.com/noteworthy/bin/main/:st=xesc8e7u3q|3
(weird url) which lets you order over the 'net.  You have to set up an account,
but it's easy after that.  A big advantage over the printed catalog is that you
can check track listings on many selections.  Noteworthy's delivery time is
great too - next day delivery for most of New England via standard UPS.

CDnow is another retailer on the Internet.  Their prices are no match for
Noteworthy's, but they incorporate reviews into their catalog (from the
All-Music Guide).  http://cdnow.com/

Jamie

    Dave, try Newbury Comix here is Shrews...they usually have a good sale
    of some sort going on, and cheapo cd's too, sometimes you can get old
    "classics" for $6.99 or so...Noteworthy is a grate alternative too...
    
    Chris, Yup, Ummagumma has Several Species of small furry animals
    gathered together in a cave, engrooving with a pict.  Intense stuff at
    extreme volumes :)  I think what makes it more intense is that it
    follows the peaceful Grandchester Meadows ?

	dave,
	
	for live i'd recommend Delicate Sound of Thunder.   big sound!
	
>    extreme volumes :)  I think what makes it more intense is that it
>    follows the peaceful Grandchester Meadows ?

	and in between the two .. the fly, the door, the stairs, the
	SWOOSH and the SPLAT!!  :-)
	
	(or is that before Granchester Meadows??)

    I'll throw in my recommendations for "Ummagumma" and "Meddle" as two
    must haves.  I don't think this has been mentioned, but Umma is half
    early live tracks that are outstanding; check out the spooky "Astronomy
    Domine" especially.  As for Meddle, "Echoes" has to to be my favorite
    Floyd track of all.  Saw this live once in 3D sound and it was
    phenomenal.
    
    If anyone out there has heard Alternate Quartet's "Rainforest
    Rhumboogie" (my former band), the title track is loosely inspired
    by Echoes.
    
    /rick
    

    
    try US2RMC::"used-music-server@wang.com" with SUBSCRIBE in the subject
    line. It's a weekly (monday mornings) list of used cd's (and tapes!)
    for sale/trade. It ranges from the mainstream to the extreme
    alternative.
    
    Most prices are postage paid. Obviously, you're taking a risk sending
    out a check to someone you're never heard of/met, but I haven't been
    burned yet.
    

    Rick, yer no longer with Alternate Quartet ?  well, I hope it was an
    amicable split...by the way, I've think I've endorsed Rainforest
    Rhumboogie in here before, and I will again...check it out folks, it's
    cool...
    
    I'll have to listen to it for the Echoes influence
    
    Wes

    AQ is, sadly, on indefinite "vacation".
    
    Rainforest Rhumboogie is structured like Echoes, the way the different
    sections flow togther.  It wasn't totally conscious, since RR was more
    or less improvised.  But Echoes made a huge impression on me and it was
    clear after the fact that I had been pushing RR in a similar direction.
    
    I think there's a newly remastered version of Meddle out now.
    
    /rick
    

re:   <<< Note 97.6053 by RICKS::CALCAGNI "Fast, Cheap, Good: choose any two" >>>

>    I think there's a newly remastered version of Meddle out now.

    
    Good point... I recently picked that one up as well as the remastered 
    Atom Heart Mother.
   
    IMO always go with the remaster and don't try to save the $.  
    xref Led Zeppelin * and lots of Zappa releases.

    /Ken 

re: floyd

meddle
animals
wall

re: denali

a guy on my team who lives in colorasta (timezone #2) climbed denali
with his wife sans a guide.  when he was visiting us in littleton, he
brought slides to show us and had a nice lunchtime seminar explaining the
entire trip.  i thought it was incredible.

deb and i were gonna do alaska this fall for 2 wks, but, we hedged
'cuz many folks i spoke w/ recommended the 44 mag if you're gonna be
camping/hiking in the wilderness.  now, i dont have my FID cahd or
a 44 mag, so, we bagged the trip for now.  definitely something we
will do later.

    
    
    ANIMALS
    
    (that's the one)
    
    

	dear universe - today I noticed a phenomenon I had never noticed
	before but it seems all of a sudden -many- people, when they leave
	their cars in the parking lot when it's snowing, pull out their
	windshield wipers...is this a new fad?  and why are they doing that?

    
    Makes it easier to clean 'em. Snow falling on a warm windshield runs
    down the windshield until it hits the wipers, where it freezes. If ya
    pull the wipers off, it's less of a hassle.
    
    Plus, it looks cool.  :)
    
    

    
    re - windshield wipers being pulled out.
    
    It's a new cult.  Participate if you wish. ;-)  

    <--------
    RE. -1
    Just don't drink their Kool Aid

    re - windshield wipers being pulled out.
    
    thanks for asking, Debess!  Here all along i thought it was a salute
    
    

    i heard Joan Osbourne was on saturday night live this weekend...
    
    is it true?
    
    did anyone see it?
    
    what did she play?
    
    was she good?
    
    					da ve

    
    I saw a clip with Joan Osbourne and Christopher Walken last
    week announcing the show -- so it must be true. Did'nt catch
    it myself though.
    
    I do like her though .. cept her song, 'what if God was one of
     us' gets overplayed.
    
    I read somewhere that she got into singing while she was blasted
    one night at open mic night ..
    
    Cath

    Yes, saw it.  They only did one song (guess which one :-)
    I was kinda disappointed in that I was hoping to hear them do another
    tune live.  On the plus side, Joan sang "One of Us" with a bit more
    'edge' than on the record.
    
    /rick
    

    
    Anyone a power user on M.S. Access?
    
    I want to know if I can put tables and queries in subdirectories within
    the application...instead of creating new rdb's for everything. :-/

Deane-o:
	Not sure what you mean by subdirectories but there are 2 approaches 
you can take. Either put all tables, queries, modules, etc. in the same 
.mdb file (they all appear at the same "level", there's no tree structure) 
or you can put the group different tables, queries, etc. in different mdb 
files. The latter works well for reference tables that you might use across 
different access applications or if you're distributing the application to 
a number of users.

jeff

    
    I was looking for a tree structure within the MDB file to organize
    tables.  I guess M.S. didn't take into account people that do a lot of
    stuff. ;-)

Deane-o
	I've run into the lack of tree structure problem a number of times. 
Using separate mdb's as a bandage solution doesn't hurt performance much 
but it's a pain to work with (open, close, open, close....). Maybe in the 
next version

    
    re - Strobel
        
    Cool.  I'm just glad I wasn't being ignorant or something.  I love M.S.
    Access an all...but this is unacceptable design flaw.  I shouldn't
    complain...product increased my productivity by a good 25% so they
    could dump me with 50% more work.  Go figure!

Roger Heinan (sp?), an ex-Deccie, runs Microsoft's database group. Maybe 
you should send him you suggestion!

    
    Help!  
    
    I'm trying to get a relatively cheap flight into New Orleans from
    Boston on March 15, round trip.....bad news from most of the airlines
    that I've called.....does anyone know if New Orleans is a "base"
    airport for any airlines?  I feel my only chance is to find an airline
    that flies into NE VERY often each day.
    
    Thanks!!!
    
    Hogan

    I don't think there are any airlines based in New Orleans.  I've flown
    there several times a year for the past two years, and found that I've
    always had to make a connection, in D.C., Memphis or Atlanta, depending
    on the airline.  Try Cheap Seats - they get good prices, and you still
    have time to get a decent two- or three-week advance ticket.  Figure on
    spending over $300, though...or possibly as much as $400.
    
    Have fun.
    
    tim
    
    P.S. Da ve, maybe you do have a point...;-)
    

	the other night Guntis and I were driving along and he asked
	me a question and I said "well, I don't know the answer to that
	question.  I'll have to ask the Universe tomorrow"...he looked
	at me "You'll have to ask the -universe-...-tomorrow-?...you are
	very strange" ;-)

	but, anyways, I forgot what the question was! ;-) ;-) ;-)

	Debess

    >  but, anyways, I forgot what the question was! ;-) ;-) ;-)
    
    Ha ha, ho ho, he he!!!
    
    There's the answer!!!
    
    (Couldn't help it - just saw Even Cowgirls get the Blues ;^)
        
    'noky

    
    Thanks for the info, Tim!  Looks like I'm calling Cheap Seats.....
    
    Hogan

    
    hey universe/noky...
    
    >Even Cowgirls get the Blues 
    
    was that any good? I liked the book, but the movie flopped in an
    enormous way. It was done by the same dude who did "My Private Idaho,"
    which got a "ennhhh" (sound of indifference) from me.
    

    re: Cowgirls
    
    I rilly dug it!  It was done in a style most people would think
    is 'weird'; more like a play than a movie.  If you can get over
    that, you'll probably be in good shape.  Lots of interesting messages
    threaded throughout seemingly disjoint and bizzare scenes. 
    
    Watched it with two friends; it provoked a conversation that lasted an
    hour or two!  Better than Private Idaho, IMO.  I'd love to read the
    book.
    
    Oh yeah, every actor and his brother came out of the woodwork for this
    one.  I didn't catch this, but was told Ken Kesey appeared at the
    beginning!
    
    'noky_who'd_rather_see_Uma_than_a_hot_space_alien

    
        > Even Cowgirls get the Blues.
    
              I love Tom Robbin's books. I've read most of them many times.
              Jitterbug Perfume and Skinny legs and All are my current
              favs.
    
              Pretty abstract stuff to convey in a movie though.
    
              I did like 'My Own Private Idaho'. River Phoenix did a great
              job in it.
        
              Sloan

    Tom's great.  I love all his books but I didn't make it
    through "Cowgirls" the flick.  I suppose you could say
    I didn't really give it a chance, but it sounded at first
    blush like they had simply tried to put Robbins's words
    in the actors' mouths and that wasn't working for me.

    Tom

>	but, anyways, I forgot what the question was! ;-) ;-) ;-)

    The answer's 42, isn't it?  ;-)

    no....the answer is BEER!!!!!!

    Are folks getting together for lunch at the Shoe today ?
    When ?

    /Ken

    i'm still up for it...  probably be ready to leave pretty soon...
    shortly after 1130
    
    					da ve

    sounds cool to me too... HLOers can meet in the lobby?
    
    'noky

    get down there NOW if you want to ride with me...

<grabs coat, gloves, ... runs>

    can someone with a deadbase please look up and post the setlist for 7-8-78
    RedRocks, no big hurry....thanks in advance
    
    also, has anyone heard of what John Heffernan is up to these days? In
    my pursuit of finding ways to screw off, I've been reading some on the
    notes in the native americans notesfile..he has some neat entries in
    their dated around 1988 and I was wondering what he was up to. 
    rfb

    Red Rocks Amphitheater, Morrison, CO (7/8/78)
    
    I:Bertha,Good Lovin',Dire Wolf,El Paso,Musta Been The Roses,Minglewood,
    Ramble on Rose,Promised Land,Deal
    
    II: Samson&Delilah,Ship Of Fools,Estimated,Other One,Eyes of the World,
    Drums->Space->Wharf Rat,Franklin's Tower,Sugar Magnolia
    
    E:Terrapin,1 More Sat. Nite,Werewolves Of London

    
    I got the tape if ya want it.

    moi aussi

    SOLD! who do I send the blanks to? I heard a butchered tape of that
    show last nite and would like the whole thang..
    
    rfb

    and thanks for the setlist, JEff....
    
    rfb

    
    Send it to me.  I got a real good copy JC had dubbed for me.  It's
    worthy of many more generations.

    
    I need a new guitar.  My instructor has been really enthusiastic and is 
    now offering me free lessons cause I apparently have this "weird hidden
    talent".  Quite frankly, I have no idea what they're talking about, but
    I have been recommend by at least 10 professionals to persue this.
    
    So...I already know I want a Yamaha, basic entry level, acoustic guitar.
    Now I need to know where I should go to get the *best* deal.  I don't
    care about throw-in's etc... I just need to find the cheapest Yamaha
    distributor with the best selection.
    
    Any idea's?                                                          

Go directly to the guitar conference where this subject has been discussed 
in great detail.     KDX200::GUITAR
My recommendation is to buy a used instrument since you get double the 
instrument for the same money.  Besides, the backing of the store in minimal.
If you are getting serious about guitar, you might want to consider something
a bit better than a Yamaha.  

Jim

    truly...  if you're interested in a good acoustic there are many much
    better vendors tha yamaha to choose from...  another big question is
    how much you want to spend...  you probably won't be looking at all 
    wood until you're up in the $400 range...  imho you really want wood
    top and back for a richer warmer sound...
    
    					da ve

    I'd be wary about buying a used instrument, unless you consider
    yourself very knowledgable or you get some kind of guarantee/warrantee. 
    I got burned this way when I bought my first guitar (JB Player - strat
    look alike.)  got it from a music shop that sold used stuff as is.  on 
    recommendation from my teacher (not affiliated with the store) i bought 
    it, only to find out later that the bridge had to be replaced.  what a
    nightmare!  many complications!
    
    Anyway, i got sick of the thing since it always went out of tune (even
    after i sunk $$ into it.)  Finally got a new Yamaha acoustic from a dealer
    in Ohio.  For the money, I thought it sounded best.  Not sure of the
    model # or exact price...  sorry don't know any dealers in this area. 
    just watch the used stuff!
    
    'noky

    
    I don't want all-wood right now...only plan to spend about 
    $150 - $200.      
    
    A few of people have told me Yamaha is the highest quality guitar for
    under $200 and they're good for 6 or so years, then you throw it away 
    and buy a new one.  That's ok with me. 

    >> A few of people have told me Yamaha is the highest quality guitar
    >> or under $200 and they're good for 6 or so years, then you throw it
    >> away and buy a new one.  That's ok with me.
    
    Throw it away! No way, you keep it forever..it'll get better with time
    (even a cheap one).  At least it will have sentimental value as your
    first acoustic...
    
    /d

    I don't know, I've got a mid-to-low-end Yamaha acoustic that's a 
    good 15+ years old.  Bought it new for around $200, and I never 
    thought it was very good...  not too bad, but maybe it's not my
    instrument.

    A friend of mine had a similarly priced Alvarez that I thought played
    much better.

    fwiw.

    /Ken

    
    Right, what Danielle said.....the guitar will be good for more than 6
    years, and will get better with age.  Or are you saying that you'll grow
    out of it within 6 years?
    
    My first guitar was a Yamaha, and I lasted a year before I wanted an
    upgrade.  I have also seen many other quality acousics in the same
    price range, including Alvarez.  I've helped several friends get their
    first guitar, and each time the cost was around $150-175, and each
    time, the guitar was never a Yamaha.
    
    I'm simply recommending that you don't limit yourself to wanting a
    Yamaha only.....
    
    Hogan

    
    So what other brands besides Yamaha have good entry level guitars?
    
    And where can I get them?

    In addition to Yamaha and Alvarez, Takamine and Washburn make decent
    guitars in the low price ranges.  Most music stores and certainly all
    the big ones (Daddy's, Wurlitzer, Guitar Center) will have several of
    these to look at.  Another very good but hard-to-find budget brand is
    Seagull; they're made in Canada and seem to be outstanding value for
    the money.
    
    In the Boston area, I recommend taking a trip to the Music Emporium on
    Mass Ave in Lexington.  They specialize in acoustics and will give you
    excellent advice on selecting an instrument in your price range.
    
    /rick
    

New Topic:

I need a name, for a computer that is...  I sent mail to a couple
people, but I figure I should survey a wider audience.

I have a HiNote Ultra that I've finally configured with a working
Roamabout interface, and it needs a host name to register it on
the Internet name services.  Tramp, my Alphastation, is named
after the Disney character...but there is no need to limit the
name to Disney, dogs or for that matter to six characters - this
isn't DECnet...also, the domain that I'm in will be added to the
name (e.g. tramp.ucx.lkg.dec.com)...  Suggestions so far, all in
the dog theme:

Rover
Shithead (my personal favorite, from 'The Jerk', but probably a
		no-no).
Bitch (see Shithead)...

Ideas?

	how 'bout HOBO or GYPSY?

    
    rollover?
    

how about  STAIN ??

tim grady laments:
> I need a name, for a computer that is...  
> Ideas?

My computers at home are named for beers:

	Chimay (Belgian Trapist Beer)
	Griffon (Canadian (Montreal) Ale)
	Zipfer (Austrian Lager)

How about WESTMAL or ORVAL or SIXTUS ?

Then there's always the Dead theme - DKSTAR (an old
computer of mine at MIT), or GATOR, SKLGRL, KNGBEE,
PLAYIN, etc...

    howzabout GRADY.

    Then you'd have 2 computers, named GRADY and the TRAMP ;-)

    /Ken

From: Marty Buttwinick <sonata@earthlink.net>
Newsgroups:
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makers.ban
nds
Subject: What do the numbers on the Jerry Garcia t-shirt mean?
Date: 15 Feb 1996 06:45:0

A student of mine has a Jerry Garcia t-shirt.  On the back it 
says "I brake for hallucinations," and on the front there is a 
street sign with "Jerry" as one street and "Garcia" as the other. 
 The number on the "Jerry" street is 1500, and the number on the 
"Garcia" street is 600.

Do these numbers mean anything?

Just a guess, but could those be the numbers of the actual Haight Ashbury
sign (which I'm guessing is what this is modeled after, with Jerry Garcia
taking the place of Haight Ashbury)?

PeterT

PeterT I think yer right about the Haight/Ashbury sign...I'll have to check my
pic of me under said sign, last August 19...sounds like a coool t

The numbers refer to micrograms...

    HOLD ON!!!!!!!!! WE'RE TAKIN OFF WITH NO PLANE!!!

    600 and 1500 is the intersection of haight ashbury

    Thanks, everyone, for the host name suggestions.  I decided to go with
    Rover - seems appropriate for a portable laptop pooch on the 'net...
    
    grady@rover.ucx.lkg.dec.com....;-)
    (but my email is still grady@tramp.ucx.lkg.dec.com)
    
    tim
    

    Had NE1 heard from Allenhead DelRosario since he moved out west? Dya
    know how I can contact him?
    
    Wes

    
    I need some help from someone who knows a bit about Rdb stuff.  i need
    to clean out old versions of a database which are using up disk space.
    I don't think i can use VMS delete on the files cuz it could mess up
    rdb (?) .  
    
    c

    
    Re - guitar recommendations
    
    Thanks for the advice folks.  I went to Guitar Center in Boston and
    got myself a Epiphone (Inexpensive Gibson).  There may be a problem
    with one of the high fret's...doesn't sound right.  There's a 1 month
    no question's warranty on the guitar so I'll probably try a different
    string and if that doesn't work I'll be returning it for another.

    re .-1
    
    Is the problem just that one string is buzzing at a certain fret?
    Sometimes one fret works itself loose a little ways; check the
    fret one up (i.e. higher in pitch) than the one that's buzzing.
    
    - Dave (gear-head)
    
    

re:      <<< Note 97.6118 by WECARE::ROBERTS "climb a ladder to the stars" >>>
>                                -< Rdb help  >-

Carol, you can delete Rdb files using dcl delete but you need to make sure
that you delete the right files. The problem is if you inadvertantly delete 
a file for another db that rdb needs.  It's also not always obvious what db 
files belong to what db, so using dcl delete is trickier.

If the older version(s) of the database reside in the same directory(ies),
you could also use PURGE.

Probably the best thing is to have rdb do the deleting.  The command depends
on which version of Rdb, but it's probably the following SQL command:
    
SQL> drop database filename 'dbname';
    
The db needs to be closed before deleting it.  Try the drop database command
first, and let me know if it succeeds or not.

/Ken

    
    THANK YOU KEN!!!!  whew ....
    
    so yes the files have mounted up and i need to get rid of all but the
    highest version of 2 filenames.  so i may be able to just do a purge
    of each filename.  i might be calling you up to hold my electronic hand
    
    c

Can someone post the setlist/venue for 5/12/70 Binghamton, nY? or izit 5/2/70?
I Just got a tape with some of that as filler...I know this should go in the
request for setlists note, but I'm new to noting on a pc, and haven't stumbled
onto how to find a note in the directory (tho I've tried a couple times)

Merci Beaucoup

Wes_practicing_francais_for_yet_another_trip_to_Montreal_on_Friday  :)))

    5/2 was harpur college so maybe it is 5/12??
    unless harpur college is in binghamton ny
    :^)
    
    chris_not_a_nuevo_yorker
    
    

Location: Harpur College, S.U.N.Y, Binghamton, NY
Date: 5/2/70
Acoustic: Don't Ease, Rider, Friend Of The Devil, Dire Wolf, BIODTL ->
Black Peter, Candyman -> Cumberland, Deep Elem Blues, Cold Jordan, Uncle John
Electric 1: St Stephen -> Cryptical -> Drums -> Other One -> Cryptical ->
Cosmic Charlie, Casey Jones, Good Lovin, Cold Rain, It's A Man's World,
Dancin
Electric 2: Morning Dew, Viola Lee Blues -> Feedback -> Bid You Goodnight
 

    
    Yes bummer. I'm from Binghamton NY area. I've been to a few concerts
    at SUNY Bingo but did'nt actually become a deadhead until the 90's.
    
    sounds like a good tape.. with st.stephen and all.
    
    Cath
    

COOL, thanx Debess...I'll have to get that whole show, sounds grate...the filler
he gave me goes from Rider to Cumberland, or a bit more...

WO

5/2/70 is an AWESOME show!  Everyone should have this in their collection.

	dave

	awrite.
	dave's gonna seed a tree!!!  ;-)   ;-)   ;-)

    the best is the intro to the other one and what it soundslike is a
    harp...pigpen musta beenkicking on that one.....
    phil drops nagasaki like bombs

5/2/70 was a great so. There are a couple of folks who seem to call out "St 
Stephen" between each song (seemingly) until the boyz play it. I concur 
with Chris on Phil on "The Other One". Could be my fav. version of that 
song.

jeff

I'm trying to source the best copy of 5/2/70 I can find and will probably take
Jolly Jaymore's suggestion and seed a tree.  Stay tuned.

	dave

	:-)  :-)  :-)
	
	
	i just got a copy of 8/27/72 vaneta OR set III
	killah dahk stah!!!!
	also a Sing Me Back Home.  nice tape. so-so quality (nth+ gen)

The best 5/2/70 that I know of came from Tim Dalton, though the sound quality
varies a bit.  It's a LOT better than the copy I got when I started collecting
tapes in the late 70's.

On Veneta 8/27/72, that's one of my favorite all time shows!  I must have
gotten 6 copies over the year (I feel old today!) with each sounding better 
than the previous.  The current one is a 1st gen sbd from a dat source, and
while not perfect, is the best yet.  Probably as good as it's gonna get.

Anyone is welcome to copies of the above, of course.

/Ken

I'll be sourcing Dave's copy.  I have all of the 5/2/70 Dead's sets complete
on DAT.  Only the very last few notes of Dancin' are cut.  Also has a well-done
splice job at the St. Stephen.  The first bit of the 5/2/70 is cut, and most
DATs have a spliced-in St. Stephen from, umm.. the studio album version? so 
that St. Stephen has a beginning.
 I also have the New Rider's sets, featuring "Bobby Ace and the 
Cards off the Bottom", on analog.  I have one version on cassette, and
another version on old reels I made back in late 70's.  The reel version has
another song or two ("Lodi" sung by Marmaduke.. great song!) thats not on
my cassette, and also has the Riders/Bobby Ace songs in a different order.
Does anyone have have the complete correct setlist of the Riders/Bobby set?
BTY, the Riders/Bobby set features Jerry sitting in on pedal steel for the last
few numbers, and they close the set with The Weight. :-)

 Josh

Dear Universe:

What is the fastest way to get from Lowell,MA  (intersection of Rt. 495/Rt 3)
to Mt. Snow, Vt, tomorrow ?  I'm leaving my place around 3:30 PM.
Is it fastest to:

take 495 south to Rt. 2 all the way out to Rt. 91 then go north a little to 
Rt. 9 west;

	OR 

go up through Nashua (mega-Friday-night-northbound-rush-hour-traffic on Rt 3!)
to Rt. 101 West all the way to Rt 91, then go south to Rt. 9 west;

	OR

head all the way down to the Mass Pike, out to Rt. 91 north;

	OR

just ferget_about_it_traffic_sucks_mightaswell_shoot_myself_now_:-)

Will be staying 5 miles south of Mt. Snow, at some Inn, for the weekend.

thx, Josh

re: MT. Snow...I'd go with option 1...495 to Rt 2 etc...skip the mass pike,
yer goin way to far south, and there's always construction garbaaaage west or
wormtown

Wes_who_will_be_doing_190_to_Rt2_to_91_to_Rt89_thru_Highgate_this_time_2morrow

    
    re:What is the fastest way to get from Lowell,MA  (intersection of Rt.
    495/Rt 3) to Mt. Snow, Vt, tomorrow ?
    
    By jet of course...
    
     . .
      ,
    \__/
    
    Divide Dave

Thanks... I think going the Rt 101 west option might have been ok, but 
GETTING up to Rt. 101 would take a very long time in Fryday afternoon
rush hour traffic.  I'll do the Rt. 2 trip.

 Josh

	Josh, if you're leaving by 3:30, you shouldn't hit rush hour
	traffic on 3

	fwiw

	Josh,
	
	don't expect rte 2 (rush hr on a friday) to be a picnic   ;-)  

    
    another for flying.
    
    Mt. Snow has its own airport...
    

    >>Wes_who_will_be_doing_190_to_Rt2_to_91_to_Rt89_thru_Highgate_this_time
    
    Be careful up there Wes - everytime I've been up there it's taken 3
    hours to travel 5 miles!! ;^)

    keep your eyes peeled for bonfires too!
    and damnit make sure to stop when you see one

	wes,
	i lost my hat at highgate last year.
	would you look for it for me???
	
	thanks,
	

    Josh,
    
    	Where you stayin' up them. I booked an inn up there 2 years ago and
    demanded my money back when I saw the place. I my worst college days I
    wouldn't have stayed in this place
    
    Chris

I'll only be passin' thru Highgate...shouldn't be a problem with traffic on
89..usually no probz at the border. Jolls, if'n I was stoppin' I'd look fer yer
hat, but only stoppin to say bonjour to the Canadian customs folks...

Ahh, Mt. Snow...fond memories of the place...even tho I wasn't skiing when I
was there...I was there with a former band U4EA in March '88 right before I
started at digital, we played a 4-nighter at "The Snow Barn"  RAGE every nite
before/during/after the gig :)

You sure its not _5_ hours to go _3_ miles?

 Josh

re: Josh goin' to Mt. Snow

I495 -> Rt 2 -> 91 N -> 9 W -> 100 N  will take about 3:30 door to door at
reasonable highway speeds (~70ish).

If you do go skiing, ask for my Bro-in-Law Steve Goldfarb -- he's the head
honcho of the Mt. Snow Ambassadors (a.k.a. the "make you feel good" people).
Knows the area and the mountain.  Really grate guy.  


re: lodging 

The "White House" Inn on 100 south of Mt. Snow is an incredible place.  


- jeff

>I495 -> Rt 2 -> 91 N -> 9 W -> 100 N  will take about 3:30 door to door at
>reasonable highway speeds (~70ish).

3:30, check. I wanna get to the Inn in time to 1)snag a good bed
2) get there early enought to go out for dinner and not haveta wait forever.

>If you do go skiing, ask for my Bro-in-Law Steve Goldfarb -- he's the head
Actually, I'll be _telemarking_ at Mt. Snow one day, and probably XC ski the
other.

ahh, just remembered - we're staying at the Red Cricket Inn.  "We" is 
people from the hiking/skiing club I'm in (not the AMC).

 Josh

	so, mr U, we're going into bawstin to see johnny at the avalon.
	given the weather, should we drive in and try to pahk (will there
	be a paking ban? is there a garage to pahk in?) or should we take
	the T? (would the storm intereupt T service?)
	
	i hate wintah!  ;-)
	

The storm might interrupt T service, but given my boss left zko 1 1/2
hours ago and just got to Littleton, it might be a better move. Bobo 
Hapgood's driving in.

jeff

    
    How do I make it so when I'm in mail I don't need to keep typing the 
    long print command for landscape printing.
    
    Currently, I have the queue set to print regular to my printer, how do
    I get it to also do landscape?

    anybody know how to uudecode a message that's been uuencoded?
    
    thanks/bruce

>    anybody know how to uudecode a message that's been uuencoded?

If you're using UCX, then check this out:

$ dir sys$system:*uu*.exe

Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]

RPC$UUID_GEN.EXE;1  UCX$UUDECODE.EXE;11 UCX$UUENCODE.EXE;11

Total of 3 files.
$ decode :== $sys$system:ucx$uudecode.exe
$ decode
DECODE input-file [output-file]
$

    The file may have been corrupted.  It shouldn't look like 0's and 1's,
    but rather ascii characters, with all but the last line starting with
    M, and all just about the same size.  For instance, here is a 
    uuencoded file that consists of part of your last message:
    
    begin 644 ubru
    M("`@($D@<'5L;&5D(&]U="!E=F5R>71H:6YG(&)E9F]R92`B8F5G:6XB("!A
    M;F0@979E<GET:&EN9R!A9G1E<B`B96YD(B!T:&5N"B`@("!)(')A;B!5541%
    M0T]$12!A<R!Y;W4@<W5G9V5S=&5D+"!A;F0@9V]T('-O;65T:&EN9R!T:&%T
    E)W,@:&%L9D%30TE)+`H@("`@:&%L9BUG:6)B97)I<V@N+BX*"FEN
    `
    end
    
    You need the begin and the end line.  In fact, you can usually 
    just run uuencode on any file that contains uuencoded data, and 
    it should just pluck out the uuencode part into a separate file.
    If the lines (except for the last one) are not all of the same
    length, then some bits have been dropped.
    
    It's commonly done to put binary data into a format that can be
    mailed without complaint by mailers that don't do binary.  It's a 
    bit wierd to put regular text into uuencoded format, as it usually
    expands the size of things.
    
    PeterT

    Sorry for the confusion...
    
    the file as sent to me looks like the sample in -.1.   
    I left in the begin statement, the end statement and everything 
    in between.
    
    I ran UUDECODE as Tim suggested, and then tried to type
    the result to my terminal.  I got bunches of printeable stuff
    along with a bunch of unprintable stuff.
    
    The file was sent to my by the support group of a disk controller
    manufacturer in response to my request for some technical info
    about the controller.  It looks as though the file is a list
    of bugfixes, and lists of files on upgrade kits.  I think there's
    some info in the file that I need for creating DOSDRV.SYS to use
    the controller second IDE port.
    
    "It's all zeroes and ones" is a knee-jerk response of mine to
    computerese.
    
    thanks/bruce

    Don't expect it to be text.  It could be a Word document.
    
    Digital is, in general, using very old-fashioned technology with people
    still tied to terminals.
    
    If you post the UUENCODE file of give a pointer, I will decode it and
    let you know what the output really looks like.
    
    	dave
    

    >     Don't expect it to be text.  It could be a Word document.
    
    or Postscript, or...   (might print better than it looks on
    a terminal, or worse, for that matter ;-)
    
    PeterT

    Thanks to Dave Levy for doing the decode for me...  
    "They" sent me an MSword file.
    
    Thanks also to Tim, for the pointer to UCX.
    
    And thanks to the universe, for bringing me back to Grateful!!
    
    /bruce

	dear Universe,

	why is my house filled with billions of ladybugs?

	and also, I've been wondering, how is the spam vs twinkie contest
	going?

	Debess

    
    Debess,
    
    Do you have a light colored house?
    
    Ours was swarmed with ladybugs last fall, and they are appearing again
    after hiding out (somewhere in the house) all winter.
    
    These ladybugs are new to the US, from Asia.....they apparently like
    light-colored dwellings.  They don't look like ordinary ladybugs,
    right?  Not a very dark red color at all?  I understand that they
    really stink if you kill them, but they are harmless.
    
    Hogan

	yeah, my house is light-colored - I live in a log house...
	and I'm used to bugs coming out of the woodwork as the weather
	warms up...
	but, I guess what I rilly want to know is - do these Asian
	ladybugs mean good luck too?!?

	Debess

actually, last fall i had lady bugs in my house for the first time in years...

and that's about when all my troubles started...

coincidence?????  :^)

	sure, send 'em on down...  if nothing else, they're pretty... :^)

    
    Why, those ladybugs are having a ladybug picnic, doncha know?
    
    1,2,3,
    
    4,5,6,
    
    7,8,9,
    
    10,11,12....and they all went down
    
                                     to the ladybug picnic!
    
               :-)

    
    I have the ladybugs too.  I wish they would go back to Asia, although, I
    wonder if there will be a lack of other insects as a result of the
    ladybugs.

Funny you bring that one up!

That's been a long-standing thing with my kids and I,
ever since they were babies (they're teenagers now)...

Do you have the complete lyrics?  It's been so long
since I've seen it on 'Street, I can't remember them...

;-)

tim

If you go out in the woods today,
you better not go alone...

:)  

whoops!  wrong picnic...
:)

    
    re: Tim
    
    Sorry, those be all the lyrics I know. But if I have it on
    video, I'll try to remember to catch the rest.
    
    I just sing that same part over and over... :-)
    
    
    Steve-O
    
    What about the "Alligator King?" Remember that one? My favorite!
    
    

    
    Where is there a good news providing web location?
    
    Deane_with_no_time_to_read_the_paper_or_watch_tv
    

>    Where is there a good news providing web location?

	there is no good news.

    
    the globe is at www.boston.com
    
    

    >> Where is there a good news providing web location?
    
    The ones I usually try are:
    
    http://www.yahoo.com/headlines/current/news/
    http://www.cnn.com/
    http://www.usatoday.com/
    http://www1.trib.com/NEWS/last10.html  (AP's 10 most recent stories)

    http://www.nytimes.com

    fwiw,  I can get through a physical newspaper much
    faster than trying to access the same thing over the
    net...
    
    unless you've got a T1 line!
    
    /bruce 

This site has a good set of links...

	http://www.indirect.com/www/chaptrk/web/cha/news.html

Dan

    
    Thanks!!!
    
    I don't even have time to hit a newspaper stand on school days.  I do
    have time to sneak a peek on break though.
                                

    
    Ladybugs.... I heard they're actually Pumpkin Beetles...fwiw
    
    I've got ba-zillions of em.... usually toss about 20 out the window
    a day...
    
    
    Toby

    
    Perhaps these ladybugs is China's "big weapon" they promised to deliver
    today.  They did come from Asia! 

    
    O knowing Universe...
    
    I am getting a new kitten this weekend (hopefully) and 
    need to come up with a name for him.... 
    
    Description:  All white with a little spot of gray on top of head
    
    (he sounds so cute!)  ;-)
    
    
    I've already had cats with the following names
    
    TJ (don't ask)
    Jerry (who else - and he is gray w/white beard! has all his toes tho)
    Lucy (in the sky w/diamonds)
    
    So... any suggestions...
    
    I'm kinda leaning towards MR. CHARLIE right now...
    
    thanks!
    
    /MJ
    
    

Jed
China

>    Description:  All white with a little spot of gray on top of head
    
Touch...

When you get mad at him/her you can say:

"here touchhead"

:)
bob

    Spot, of course.

    
    
    Spot was my first thought too, Jamie!  :-)
    
    I like the other suggestions too...  well, I'm not
    too sure about touch...  ;-)  
    
    keep em comin!
    
    

Ya,  Spot's a good original one....

Touch ... well just for the song effect :)  "Tog" short for touch'o'gray??
But I probably wouldn't do it either...

Could call him/her Stains ??

I want to get a cat sooner or later but right now I have the baby Sam
and 2 dogs - Cody and Petals.  That's enough...

We got our names  - Cody from a book I was reading (Kerouac),  Petals
because she ripped apart a rose bed.  Sam because I was drinking a ...
nah....because I was watching ...nah Just because.

good luck.
bob

    Howsabout Ghandi ;-)

    I went through a similar issue with the latest feline addition to the
    Hannan family a couple of months ago.  Ended up searching through albums 
    and came up with the name Kaya, from a Bob Marley album.  Seems to fit ;-)

    So now we have Zippy (the cat aka zippahead ;-), Lucy (the dog), and Kaya.

    Bertha (Bee for short), our Original Cat (tm), died last summer at the ripe 
    old age of 14 and is now pawing the great litter box in the sky.  Bertha 
    was a great name for that cat!   And people got a kick out of it ;-)

    /Ken 

    
    My cat's name is Ignatious or Iggy or Igmiester or Igwa or..
    
    How about Cat Stevens?
    
    Mr. Charlies cool too though.
    
    Cath

	I like Touch O. Gray  ;-)
	
	an aside ... i mentioned (somehwere) how we came up with my
	daughter's name, Jentri ...
	
	well, i searched the web and found a pub in Scottland called
	Jentri's where a local club hold it's meetings! :-)
	
	i'm thinking about writing to the club and asking if someone
	would send a menu or a bar coaster, or something witht eh pub;s
	name on it.
	
	but, as far as i can tell, there are no other jentris in the
	world  ;-)  ;-)
	

    
    
    Hmmmm... I guess I'll know more after I meet this kitty
    but I'm thinking maybe space would be cool!
    
    Thanks for all the inputs!  I shall ponder them all tonight! ;-)
    
    MJ
    
    ps...  I'm doing great cath how the hell are you?  :-)  :-)
    
    
    spot... space... spot... touch... space... jed... rubin...
    
    

Well, since Da ve hasn't chimed in yet....;-)

Alpo.

	How about Casey...


	Toby

	

>    How about Cat Stevens?

    Good one!  But you'd have to change its name after it
    converted to Islam!

    Cat Mahmoud Akbar Alla Alla Mustafah-head  ;-) 

Anyone know a current e-mail address or telephone number for Tree?

A mutual friend is looking for him.

	dave

	Tree: jeffrey_riley@stream.com

    re: Cat names...
    
    "Gummitch was a superkitten, with an IQ of 160, as he well knew."
    
    Opening line (approximately, I can't remember the exact IQ ;-)
    from Fritz Lieber's short story "Space Time for Springers"
    I've always like Gummitch.  Though Graymalkin always sounded
    cool too.
    
    PeterT
    

the first cat i ever name was "Alpo"...

the second cat i ever named was "Fido"...

nowadays i'm leaning towards "Genghis T. Mouseripper"...

feel free to use it if you like...  :^)

			da ve

ps  i like "spot" too... :^)

    
    
    Yeah, cat naming "is" fun!  :-)
    
    I haven't gotten kitty yet so I still have a couple
    days to sort this out! (Til Wednesday to be exact)! 
    
    Thanks for all the help!  I'll let you know the results!
    
    
    /mj
    

	I've always liked Cosmic Charlie:)

    
       coolest feline i knew was named Peter Gunn :^)
    

    I spoke to Jeff last night. He has gone from RRD to Springs, to
    MicroSoft. He and tree wife are wrapping up the domicile biz in
    Chi-town and moving on to the great north west. He sends his best
    to all of you.
    
    jriley@microsoft.com
    206-703-3420

Has anyone seen Victor Wooten's (Bela Flecktones bass player) new solo
release anywhere ?   It's supposed to be amazingly good.  I checked out 
4 places yesterday and came up empty (Newbury Comics, Strawberries, 
Record Town, CD-NOW).   

/Ken

    re: cat naming
    
    The cat in question reminds me of a cat that we named
    a few years ago--i.e. white with a grey spot on the head?
    
    The person who owned the cat was Catholic--and right about the
    same time of year.  We named the cat A.W. or Ashes...as in Ash
    Wednesday.  :)
    
    Good luck with your new friend!
    
    Alicia

    
    thanks alicia!
    
    I haven't actually gotten him yet... the adoption got 
    postponed until Wednesday...  
    
    All these suggestions are just so great that now I'm
    completely confused!
    
    a few more are:  apache, freud, and after all this talk
    about franklins tower I'm thinking "franklin" might be kinda
    cute!
    
    definately need to meet the little guy first and see what
    he's like.
    
    btw...  tog is sounding better to me!  ;-)  :-)
    
    /mj_mom_tobe  :-)  ;-)
    

Ken,

i aksed your question in Music notes...  no one there had
seen it in stores, but a couple of them had bought it through
CDNow on the internet...

			da ve

oh, uh, i did not "aks" that question really...

fingers can't keep up again...  :^)

I suppose Schroedinger is a bit of a mouthful, eh?

Dan

    
    A neighbor of mine in college had a cat aptly named "fleabag", I always
    liked that.  what a useless cat that thing was.....constantly climbing
    trees and getting stuck.....nice kitty though
    
    Hogan

> i aksed your question in Music notes...  no one there had
> seen it in stores, but a couple of them had bought it through
> CDNow on the internet...

So that's where I saw reference to this album...  I got a $5 off 
thingy in the mail for CDNow ,and figured they must have it, but
the person on the phone couldn't find it.  SO I ordered O+ITW that
High Lonesome Sound instead.  

Kinda funny, when they asked my musical preference, I said lots ;-).  
THey needed a category, so I said rock. THen I tried to order a jazz 
album from a jazz/bluegrass/funk band member, and end up ordering O+ITW, 
listed under country ;-)

/Ken

How about Statovarious?

    Noteworthy Music 1-800-?? - can't find it right now
    
    or http://www.noteworthy.com/noteworthy/bin/main/
    
    You have to set up an account with a 3rd party to order over the 'net,
    but it's an easy process.
    
    Their prices, shipping charges and delivery times are hard to beat. 
    Orders I've placed from Mass. always arrive the next day with standard
    shipping.
    
    ($12.99) WOOTEN,VICTOR 
       SHOW OF HANDS (SOLO DEBUT,1996) (Independent, Feb 20, 1996)
    
    Jamie

    Regarding Noteworthy:
    
    If you live in the area or work at ZK/MK you can order via the
    800 number and pick them up at their store within an hour. Saves
    the postage and it's real easy to get to. They're off Amherst St
    in Nashua across the street from the 7-11.
    
    Mike in Nah

    
    Speaking of Victor, Crazy DaveB and I are heading up to Concord NH
    to see Bela Fleck & the Flinstones Friday. If anyone else is going
    (I think tix are available) and would like to hook up at my house
    in Nash-Vegas, drop me a line.
    
    
    Steve-O
    
    

Dear Universe, when is Slip Into Summer SIS this year?  and will it be at the
Marlboro F&G again?

Wes

slip into summer is typically the saturday of
memorial day weekend... that would be may 25th 
this year unless things change...

i've been neeeding to get in touch with Bruce anyway...
i'll try and rememebr to ask if he has any info on it yet...

			da ve

ooh, could be a drag...DRAMA is booked at the Black Orchid that night...I'd hate
to go, start having a grate time and have to leave...

the perils of a weekend warrior :)

    Why does anybody care (get emotionally invested in) about
    the redsox, umass, or any other sports team?
    
    I can dig the grace and prowess and beauty and courage and skill
    of a hit or a 5yardgain or a catch or a dive or a jump, but
    why do some people act as if (some significant portion of) 
    the quality of their lives correlates to last year's (or last
    night's) scores?
    
    /bruce
    

the answer to that quesion is found in the movie
"City Slickers"...  :^)

of course, beyond that, it's just fun...  :^)

			da ve

well, it's all personal, and a matter of "taste" if you will...they 
are local teams, teams you've grown up rooting for, and it is a heck
of a lotta fun, and da ve points out...

some folks would ask us why we get so emotionally involved in a tape,
that really grate scarlet~fire that is so personal to you...

it just IS...

    for me, a tape is different, 'cause I can dance over and over
    again to a great scarlet->fire, and dig the changes, or *feel,*
    again and again, the release in the time-change going into theeleven,
    and it's a participatory thing...
    
    well, different strokes, I guess... 
    
    /b

    attention VMS_heads (are there any left?) 
    
    I have a list of names (1300) in firstname/lastname format and I also
    have the site location associated with each name.  what i want to do
    is have someone tell me how to run a command procedure to edit this list
    into A1 format. 
    For example, it looks like this now :  Carol Roberts  ZKO.  I want the
    list to look like this : MTS$"ZKO::CAROL ROBERTS" 
    
    without too much pain.
    
    can it be done?
    
    c

	i can do it in about 5 mins using SEDT, which has learned key
	strokes.  
	
	you can mail the file to me if you don't find another way.

I can do it in about 15 seconds with the Turbo TPU editor I've been
developing over the last 3 years.  Good ole EVE with tons of procedures to
sort, replace, everything.  Sounds like you need to do this periodically?
  Josh

forgot to ask, what eggzackly do you mean by A1 format?  sorted by alpha,
lastname-firstname ?

she wants to turn 1353 of these: ABADI, MARTIN                  UCT01
                        to this: MTS$::"UCT::MARTIN ABADI"              

	it took me 15 minutes instead of 5.
	i'll bet you can't do it in 15 seconds ;-)  ;-)
	

yes folks welcome to the new game show

	EDIT THAT FILE!!!!!!!!!

(applause applause)

	contestant 1:  "i can edit that file in 5 minutes"
	contestant 2:  "i can edit that file in *3* minutes"
	contestant 3:  "i can edit that file in 20 SECONDS!"

	EDIT THAT FILE!!!!!   :^)

	and our winner today, will get a brand new word
	processing software tool, with japanese instructions
	and NO FONTS!  (ok, so we got a cheap sponsor...)


				da ve

    aaaaaaaaaahhhhhahahaaa .. that was fun.  want to try something else?
    
    thanks again Jay - and to Josh too for being a good sport.
    
    

	ur welcome, carol.
	
	next thursday, the bier haus!   ;-)
	

	

    Be ambidextrous... do it with a Perl script. Should take a couple of
    seconds*, max.
    
    gary
    
    *some restrictions may apply, does not include time to write the script,
    contestants must provide their own transportation, lodging and
    interpreter

re        <<< Note 97.6228 by MKOTS3::JOLLIMORE "Always stop at the top" >>>

>	ur welcome, carol.

Jay, are you speaking of the Ur-Welcome, of the universal open-hand palm-up
gesture universally recognized amongst all peoples of Planet Earth?

  :-)))))))))))

    oh no! notes are crossing boundries...I'm getting confused!...must leave
    and buy a fishing license and a six-pack....
    
    
    rfb

	hmmmm.... i don't know, actually.

>open-hand palm-up gesture 
	
	i get that all the time from my daughter. it usually means:
	"i need money!!!"
	
	;-)   ;-)
	
	

>    and buy a fishing license and a six-pack....

	BRILLIANT idea!!  :-)
	

    Dear Universe-
    	Where is the Laguna Seca Daze festival info?  I've looked in music 
    happenings and the festivals note and haven't found it....
    
    thx-
    /d 

	danielle - check note 17 - hotline info

	Debess
	
	ps do you think they picked the name LegunaSecaDaze on purpose?
	those pranksters!!!!

    Thanks Debess!  
    
    >> ps do you think they picked the name LegunaSecaDaze on purpose?
    >> those pranksters!!!!
    
    hmmm....good observation!  ;')

    what's a SPAC show?
    

	Saratoga Performing Arts Center?  You've been there, haven't
	you carol?

    speaking of Carlos:  Years ago, Charles & his gang programmed
    Carlos to do the Peter Wolf rap from the live "I Must Have Got Lost."
    
    That was one of the funnies things I have ever heard!!!
    Does anybody have a tape of that?  
    
    /b

    
    I'm sure your all on the edge of your seats waiting 
    for the results of my cat naming debate....   
    
    No?
    
    Well, anyway, after discovering he was born on Super
    Bowl Sunday I decided to go with "Dallas"! 
    
    :-)
    
    MJ

  <------ bonus points:  Name the Grateful Dead song with "Dallas" in it :-)

    
    too easy!
    

    
    Who does the song "I am so into you"
    
    F'in awesome, especially cranked up real loud.
    
    Definitely going to be a cover for my new band.

hmmm, I am so into you...Atlanta Rhythm Section maybe?
or izit a different tooon ?

    
    Definitely a keyboard type song.
    
    I get the impression it's the same guy who
    does "I'm up on the tightrope"

    Wasn't "I'm up on the tightrope" by leon russell YEARS! ago??
    
    rfb

>>I get the impression it's the same guy who
>>does "I'm up on the tightrope"

That one mighta been Leon Russell...

I think "So into you" was indeed ARS...

rfb...  you're right about "Tightrope" being years ago... at 
least 20 years ago...  '73/'74 sounds about right.

--t-mon

    "So into you" is indeed ARS.
    
    Anyone remember this trick (first heard on WBCN)?  Play ARS speeded up
    and it sounds just like Stevie Nicks.  Conversely, if you slow down
    certain Fleetwood Mac tunes, you get instant ARS.  Try it!
    

    
    Thanks!
    
    I'll gotta go buy the album and figure out how to jam 
    this masterpiece. 
    
    

    
    Why do people clip their fingernails at work?
    
    I find it really disgusting...  does this bother
    anyone else out there?
    
    MJ

    
    Yep the sound of clipping nails is like scratching a chalk board
    to me too.  Just recently someone that worked for me in the zko
    library days said that she remembers me cringing at the sound of her
    nail clipping.  She thought I reacted to it harshly, when
    I asked her not to do that at her desk.
    
    Cath
    

	It only bothers me if I'm in my office & eating 8-)

	Toby

re: nail clipping

Better not come to LKG2-2/W10 then.  I do it all the time.

Also, better not look under my seat!  (luckily we get vacuumed a few times
a week).

adam :-)

    
    Depends, MJ, is it the clipping sound, or the fact that they're cutting
    their fingernails that bothers you?  I guess someone biting their
    fingernails in the next office would make less noise.....I guess I'd
    find the clipping to be kind of weird.  I have a friend who was driven
    NUTS by the guy who sat in the next cubical from him at work.  The guy
    clipped his nails at the same time every day, and it was maddening to
    my friend.  I think after a while, the guy clipped his nails simply
    out of spite :^).
    
    I'm really bad with fingernails.....I don't need to clip them, because
    my nervous habits take care of keeping them short, except for the 3
    nails that I use to fingerpick guitar with; I leave those alone, and they
    grow too long because I never use fingernail clippers!!! :^)
    
    Hogan

    I remember a few years back they had to send a message to some
    software group to remind them not to trim their toenails in the
    cafeteria when customers were on site.
    

    
    re: -.1
    
    I think I'm going to be sick!   blech!
    
    
    re: Hogan
    
    It is definately the sound of the clippers that gets me...
    Like Cathy said, like fingernails on a chalkboard...
    
    But also a combination of the fact that I just feel there
    isn't any need for people to take care of that kind of
    stuff at the office...  
    
    I'm sure most people don't even notice it... but it really
    gets to me...  a major pet peeve!
    
    
    re: Adam
    
    Your right, it is a good thing I do not sit near your
    office.  I feel for your neighbors.  ;-)
    
    
    
    I have a lot of little nit picky things like that though...
    
    Like feet - I hate em!  I cannot stand other peoples feet
    to be near my face, (augh !!) or even touching me in any
    way.  My friends get a real kick out of it and tend to 
    torture me whenever the chance arises!  6-8 people traveling
    to shows in a van used to give them lots of opportunities!  ;-)
    
    I guess I'm just straaaaaaaaaaaaaaaange!  :-)
    
    MJ

    
    
    MJ,
    
    I'll have to remember this about feet.....more than one person with no
    foot prejudices at all have been repulsed by my "ugly feet".  Someday,
    I'll show them to you ;^)
    
    Hogan

    
    
    I'll look forward to that!  ;-P
    
    /mj

    where do you stand on toenail clipping at work

i'm w/ MJ.
hate those nailclippers!

Just back from a week away...and just catching up.

Dallas?  Jeez, MJ, you must not have ever actually been
there..;-)

...Texas, where the men are men and the sheep are scared...

tim

> ...Texas, where the men are men and the sheep are scared...

You might want to refine this to the variant I'm familiar with...
  
    "Texas...  where men are men, and the sheep know it."
  
Heck, you could put it to music...    - JayC.

    
    Is Kimball's open yet?  :-)
    
    

Neish (my daughter) says it's open for the season.  Not sure of
the hours.  Kimball's is walking distance from LKG, though, so
I'm game...

tim

    
    
    Cool!  Maybe we can arrange a lunch gathering 
    sometime next week!  
    
    

No kidding.

Yeah, let's do frozen dairy fat next week sometime..;-)

    
    gee Tim, you make is sound so appetizing!  ;-)
    
    Tues or Wed are good for me!
    
    /MJ

    
    Do you think its time for a Bartlett Pond Boat Ramp lunch?
    We havn't done one of those ina long time.
    
    

set voice/mode=homer

mmmMMMMMmmmmMMMMMMmmmmm

frozen dairy fat!!!!!!


				da ve

MJ, Da ve -

Either day works for me, but Wednesday's a little bit
easier, only cuz we have a 2pm meeting every Tuesday and
I might not be able to crawl the 1/4 mile back to LKG in
time...;-)

I'll prolly have a chance to scope out the hours over
the weekend, and report back with the reconnaissance...

tim

Oh, and yeah, Barlett Pond's definitely coming up soon
too!

;-)

    
    Tim, (and whomever else is innerested...(da ve?)... 
    
    I opt for tomorrow too!  ;-)  A tad soggy out today!
    
    /MJ

    
    Saw some cars at Kimballs last week on a real cold, wet, soggy day.
    
    My first thought was..."They must be hardcore Kimballheads".
    
    

>    My first thought was..."They must be hardcore Kimballheads".

yah, I bet they ordered a double hot fudge sundae, and told them to "hold
the ice cream."    
    

    
    >yah, I bet they ordered a double hot fudge sundae, and told them to
    >"hold the ice cream."    
    
    :-)  Yeah, how bout, "Can I have a melted choclate frappe please?" 

Wednesday works for me...rain's supposed to end tomorrow
morning, right?

    does pete kibling still read here???
    
    rfb

    Are we talking Kimball's for lunch tomorrow?
    

>    Are we talking Kimball's for lunch tomorrow?
    

Well, so far, MJ and I are, and Da ve has shown an
interest...kinda think Josh and Deane-o might be
too...and Dan Harrington passed me in the hall and asked
"when?"...(hey, Adam, where y'at?)....

so...yeah, we are..;-)

tim

    
    
    :-(   AUgh!!!  I can't make kimball's today...  :-(
    
    If today doesn't work for everyone can we consider 
    Friday?  (I have friday off but will make it to 
    Kimball's anyway if people are going!!!)  
    
    ??MJ

Hey, I'm easy...(it's walking distance from my office).

Any day'll do...although two trips in a week might be detrimental
to my gravitational field...;-)

tim

welp, it's looing like this week is probably out for me after
all...  since i'm out friday and we had a holiday monday, the
short week makes for short lunches (well, at least no long
ones, which a trip to Kimball's would mean for me)...  

too much hacking and slashing at my "to do" list...

			da ve

    
    
    Ok Tim... (and anyone else who can make it!!) I'll see you 
    at say noonish on Friday at Kimballs...  
    
    
    I'm out tomorrow and Friday so I probably won't be back in
    here much after noon today..
    
    MJ
    

Deal.

508-486-5108 is my LKG phone number, in case something comes up. 
Otherwise I'll see if we can gather the clan for a friday ice
cream lunch...?

tim

    Why is it that all of the employee fridges around me smell 
    like the old worm fridge in my grandfather's boathouse?  gaaack!

    well, i personnaly think that worm smell is grate! %^) In fact, I'm gonna
    go drown some worms this afternoon, since i happen to have a couple of
    boxs of my own in the fridge at home....my wife doesn't mind me keeping
    them there as long as they *NEVER* escape from the box again like they
    did last year...she found them crawling around in the bottom and wasn't
    too pleased. But i said as long as you can keep tofu in the fridge, i
    can keep worms...
    
    rfb

	i wish my fridge smelled as good as worms!
	
	;-)    ;-)
	

    why does the white hair in yer beard and hair grow faster than the dark
    hairs?? *ESP* in the beard!!!! (or goattee i should say, as of now)

	you need: Just for Men(tm)
		  just brush it on, and in minutes the grey is gone.
	
	;-)
	
	

rfb, grey grows faster 'coz it is a sign of maturity, intelligence, and overall
shows a distinguished person :)))

Just for Men...Phooey...Just for Nuthin...don't touch the stuff, it'll turn yer
hair yellow and green :)))

Wes

    
    I shaved the beard off this week, first time since I noticed the grey
    appearing prominently (in the beard, my hair has been turning grey
    since age 18 :^).  Now my face has all these little highlights where
    the grey (OK lets not be vain - they are WHITE) stubble grows back each
    day.....weird.
    
    Hogan

    
    Just let it be Barnes, Soon you'll be as white as mine..
    
    Divide Dave

definitely a lot more grey in the hair in the last 2 years!
i think the job did it to me...


the beard... avg about 1-2 new greys per year.
still under 10.
i know 'cuz deb lets me know.

    it's not the grey in the beard you gotta worry about...
                             -----
    ;-)

    
        A friend asked at lunch if I knew the origin of the concept
        behind the name of the band.. The Grateful Dead.  Does anyone know if
        it's Tibetan, ie. dancing dead?
    
        Is there a history of how they came up with the name GD in
        here?
    
        Thanks,
    	Sloan
              

    
    It's in the dictionary, check it out.

    
    no websters just American Heritage around this cube..
    
    

    jerry, while stoned and setting around Phils apt, picked up the
    dictionary and found The GRATEFUL DEAD...which is one of a series of
    sonnets (what the hell is a sonnet??) written by some weirdo about the
    dead dying and being accepted into heaven, thus they were grateful. 
    
    i'm sure someone will correct me.....
    
    
    the name DIDNOT come the Tibitin Book of the Dead although the
    bumpersticker "In the land of the living, the ship of the sun is driven
    by the grateful dead." does come from the book of the Dead...
    
    rfb

    A traveller comes upon a grate commotion on the side of the road and
    sees a group gathered around a corpse..the dead man had no money for a
    proper burial so the traveller gave his last bit o' cash to bury the
    dead man, whose ony dying wish was to be have a proper burial...
    Days later the spirit of the dead man comes to the traveller and
    bestows grate luck upon him for his deed to the "grateful dead"

    The term "Grateful Dead" was found by Jerry one day whilst partying
    at Phil's (I think).  They had been called "The Warlocks", but somebody
    told them that there was another band by that name (but it looks 
    now like that might not have been true).  Searching for a new
    name, Jerry opened a dictionary, and the name "Grateful Dead"
    sort of leaped out at him.  The term stands for a number of European
    folk tales that revolve around a traveler helping out a stranger
    on the road to aid in a burial or some such thing to help 
    out a dead person.  The twist is that afterwards, the person helping
    out is benefited in some way, and they find out that the person
    they helped was really the person that was dead.  So the dead
    bestowed some favor upon the helper for performing some task that
    no one else was willing to do, hence Grateful Dead.  
    
    I took a folk tales course back in college, and when the professor
    went over this tale about the "Grateful Dead" it drew a large
    laugh from the class.  But the teacher wasn't trying to make a
    joke about the band, it was just a very old tale.
    
    PeterT

    when the paradigm shifts, do you use a cluth or is it an automatic????

    Chris's tale fits the basic scheme, and may be more relevant than
    my feeble memory.
    
    rfb, a sonnet is a 14 line poem with a few small variations on
    the rhyming scheme.  Shakespeare is somewhat famous for some
    well known ones.
    
    PeterT
    

    PeterT
    please don't be so hard on yourself..
    :^)
    

    Well that tale is better than the one I'd heard, which merely
    had Jerry selecting two words at random from the dictionary.
    The dictionary seems to be the common element.

    Tom

Pretty serious notes collision there, gang.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mleone/gdead/faq/faq.html
	
How did they get the name?

In Blair Jackson's book on the Dead, Garcia is quoted as saying:

"One day we were over at Phil's house...He had a big dictionary. I opened
it and there was 'Grateful Dead', those words juxtaposed. It was one of
those moments, you know, like everything else went blank, diffuse, just
sort of oozed away, and there was GRATEFUL DEAD in big, black letters edged
all around in gold, man, blasting out at me, such a stunning combination.
So I said, 'How about Grateful Dead?' And that was it."

The dictionary entry reads along these lines:

GRATEFUL DEAD: The motif of a cycle of folk tales which begin with the hero
coming upon a group of people ill-treating or refusing to bury the corpse
of a man who had died without paying his debts. He gives his last penny,
either to pay the man's debts or to give him a decent burial. Within a few
hours he meets with a travelling companion who aids him in some impossible
task, gets him a fortune or saves his life. The story ends with the
companion disclosing himself as the man whose corpse the hero had
befriended.(Funk & Wagnall's Dictionary).

The name has also been attributed to this quote, though it's generally
believed that they came across this one later:

       "We now return our souls to the creator,
        as we stand on the edge of eternal darkness.
        Let our chant fill the void
        in order that others may know.
        In the land of the night
        the ship of the sun
        is drawn by the grateful dead."

        -- Egyptian Book of the Dead

Return to the top of the FAQ.

regarding the clutch/auto:


of course, if Fog were here, he'd say automatic.
i say std!
:-)

    oh wise and all knowing, all seeing, universe that has long hair...
    
    
    when using a blow dryer, why do the grey hairs dry faster than the
    brown ones????
    
    and don't say
    the faster ya go the rounder ya get, in the 4th dimension....
    
    rfb

    
    my guess...
    
    the grey's are much coarser-er and don't absorb as much water...
    
    /mj

    re;the grey's are much coarser-er 
    
    
    so maybe they need a corset??

	blow dryers are for wusses.
	

    Yeah
    what's next...some mousse in your hair?
    
    :^)

	;-)
	
	maybe a little Just_for_Men(tm)   ???
	
	

That way they stand out and your other color hair can lay flat on your head.
Then with all the grays standing up you can either pluck or cut them out of the
way. Nobody 'll ever know you have gray hair, until you have no hair.


	I think I have gray hair, but I don't use a blow drier.
	Geoff

    
    Wait till there all gray, you won't notice after that!
    I should know.
    
    
    Divide

    all right, all right....I admit it...i use a blow dryer, esp in winter.
    I take a shower almost every morning (by popular demand) 
    and otherwise my hair is frozen by the time I get to work. Now, in
    summer, i don't use a blow dryer cause 70-80 degree mornings dry my
    hair just fine. I also use a blow dryer to melt the water-proofing into
    my hiking boot(s). I also like to harass Arthur the Asshole with the
    blow dryer...he tries to bite the air and eventually ends up rolling on
    and up in the rug to get rid of the air that's attacking him. 
    
    so Bruce, what other things are you refering to being blow dried??
    
    rfb
    

>    depends what you're blowing dry...

...and whom...

does anyone know how much postage is required for an
envelope with one cassette tape in it?

			da ve	

not sure, less that $1 w/o case I think. You can always checl www.usps.gov, 
the PO's internet site.

jeff

cool... postal web site... why didn't i think of that?  :^)

i have one cassette in a case...  and six stamps here...
i'm sure 6 would do it, but no sense subsidizing the p.o.
any more than necessary...  :^)

			da ve

    now what happens when the postal website pulls a nutty?

    I just mailed 2 (jerry ;-) tapes out, and it cost $1.24 first classs.   
    So you could probably use 3 stamps and be all set.   What's a stamp these
    days, .39 ?

    /Ken

    still is 32 cents ken

    Depends on where you're sending it to - they go by zip code. 
    
    It's cheaper for me to send something to da ve than to send the same
    thing to rfb - for example.

well, i had to laugh when i saw chris's reply...  the postal web site DID
pull a nutty on me and refused to display!    :^)

i  ended up just putting all 6 stamps on to make sure...

			da ve

    Is Cal Ripkin Jr still setting a new most-consecutive-games-played
    record every game? Or did he finally take a day off?
    
    /bruce

    Still working

dear all knowing universe...

	will i find out if i got tickets to the Further Festival
	before they go on sale this saturday??????

	and while i'm here asking questions...  what sort of
	helper app/viewer/player do i need to see files with
	an .mov file type?

			adv thanks ance

				da ve

	where did you order tickets to, da ve?

	if you ordered lawn, I would say you most definately will
	get tickets - it seems that you can -still- mailorder lawn tickets
	to most places, even today.  Most places did not sell out (for
	lawn)...although... mailorder is closed for some places, so don't
	take my word for it and send something out today without checking ;-)

	the hotline info web page has information about each location.

	fwiw - I know that tickets went on sale thru Ticketmaster or
	NEXT or whatever for Hartford weeks ago and I have still not
	rec'd my mailorder tickets...but the web page says I should get
	them cause I ordered lawn

	Debess

    da ve -
    	I haven't received tix for Darien Lake yet and they've been on
    sale thru TM for at least 2 weeks now. I don't think they're concerned
    with getting them back before the outlet on sale dates because of the
    lack of demand for mail order. According to the hotline - unless you
    RILLY screwed up your mail order you will get the tix you requested
    (ANYTHING type people like myself will get reserved) except for
    Saratoga and Shoreline (I think those were the venues) where they ran
    out of Reserved tix before all the orders were filled. But even for
    those venues lawn seats are still available through mailorder. ALL
    venues still have lawn seats available as of this past weekend.
    
    	Kinda like the old days when you could walk up to the box office
    the night of the show and get tix! ;^)

i feel better now...  :^)

    re earlier
    
    .mov files are Quicktime "movies" and you'll need Apple's Quicktime for
    Windows (I'm assuming that if you have a Mac you already have QT, and
    if you're on any other platform, you're probably SOL, maybe Xanim will
    help there). You can retrieve QTW from quicktime.apple.com. Latest
    version is 2.1.* and there are 16 and 32 bit flavours. If the mov in
    question is a Quicktime VR mov, then you'll need some extra bits. If
    you are running Win95 and/or WinNT you may need both 16 and 32 bit
    versions for some software to install.
    
    There is also a QT netscape plugin that I have yet to try out.
    Supposedly this will support streaming mov's over the net.
    
    gary

thanks!  i'm running NT so it looks like if i want to view
.mov files i need to get back to some downloading...

			da ve

> thanks!  i'm running NT so it looks like if i want to view
> .mov files i need to get back to some downloading...

  I got Quicktime V2.3 onto my PC by installing it off the Rolling Stones
  acoustic CD ("Stripped" ?)...  I already had Quicktime from other
  commercial installations (as well as on my Macs), but this version was a
  little newer.

  If you happen to own the CD, check it out.
  
  The video bits that come with the CD is packaged for Mac and PC users.
  (You can ignore the out-of-step [Out of Time?] instructions and just click
  on promisingly-named items.)

  I'm not completely sure NT is accounted for though -- might be just
  Windows 3.1/3.11 and 95.    - JayC.

  P.S.
  
  Speaking of video bits packaged with regular audio CDs (e.g., Stones
  "Stripped") ...
  
  Certain CDs of the final Dead shows (7/95) that are being sold around &
  about are *supposed* to contain video footage of the shows.  So I borrowed
  one -- However I can't get either PCs or Macs to recognize the CDs as
  anything other than generic audio CDs.
  
  Since the CDs show many signs of being assembled hastily & sloppily, I'm
  assuming the footage ain't really there.  I think word would've gotten
  around if it were true.   - JayC.

>  However I can't get either PCs or Macs to recognize the CDs as
>  anything other than generic audio CDs.

	
	fwiw, my pc has this problem with _Stripped_  :-(
	

and likewise my new pc (and I'm new to pc's in general) won't read my Todd
Rundgren cd-rom, The Individualist, as Anything, no video, no audio...
puzzling...

Wes

    If you are running Win95, you may be able to get it to work by either
    booting Win3.1 or hacking Win95 to load the real mode driver and file
    system for the CD. In its infinite wisdom Microsquish removed support
    for one of the various CD modes from the Win95 stuff.
    
    Don't know about NT.
    
    The whole "enhanced CD" area is a mess, with 3 or 4 variations on the
    "standard". Some combinations of drivers and drives handle all of the
    variations, some refuse to touch some or all of them. I've even seen
    some audio players refuse to recognise these things.
    
    gary

> and likewise my new pc (and I'm new to pc's in general) won't read my Todd
> Rundgren cd-rom, The Individualist, as Anything, no video, no audio...
> puzzling...

  I'm no PC expert myself, but...  Did you try to play it through the Media
  Reader (or whatever it's called) accessory?  If so, what sort of message
  (if any) did you get?   - JayC.

JayC, no I didn't try the Media Reader...but I'll look for it, and try it...
thanx for the tip...

Wes

dear universe...

where was the note with the "ghost stories"???

			da ve

	449      random survey

thanks universe...  :^)

. |        *       .    .      *                  *     .       .       *
 -*-  .     .   *     *    .        .        *      .       *     .  .     .
  |     .      .             *        *           .      .       *            *	
  .                .      .      .         .          .              .   .
            *                 *                *          .  *             .
.          *       .    .      *                  *     .       .       *
  *   .     .   *     *    .        .        *      .       *     .  .     .
        .      .             *        *           .      .       *            *	
  .                .      .      .         .          .              .   .
            *                 *                *          .  *             .
        .           *            you're welcome      .              *

.          *       .    .      *                  *     .       .       *
  *   .     .   *     *    .        .        *      .       *     .  .     .
        .      .             *        *           .      .       *            *	
  .                .      .      .         .          .              .   .
            *                 *                *          .  *             .

interestingly, that's pretty close to what i envision
in terms of answers coming back from this forum...  :^)

Dave,

If that .mov file is anything interesting send me a pointer so I can view
it on my Mac at home!

Jay,

Make sure you have all the CD-ROM extensions loaded on the Mac. 
Specifically, I'm thinking about "ISO 9660 Format", "High Sierra Format",
and "Foreign File Format".  If you double click the CD ROM icon you should
see some files other than "Audio Track 1", "Audio Track 2", etc.

adam

just wonderin...I received my Volkswagen Bus ad last week, the one where the
VW bus is shedding a tear,and it says Jerry Garcia 1942-1995 underneath...it
is printed on a nice piece of thin, cardboard (recycled I assume) stock, very
suitable for framing...I may put it in a black matte and hang it in my office...

did NE1 else get theirs yet???

Wes

    yep...along with a bunch of sh*t from VW and an offer for a free test
    drive..(what other type of test drive is there I wondered??)
    
    rfb

    yup
    
    got mine too
    
    and for any other vw drivers there is a vintage volkswagen festival
    june 30 on the hopkinton NH fairgrounds
    
    

    anyone know of a limo service that will take passengers to like a
    boston hotel?   i need to go to the hynes convention center area for a 
    few days and would rather not schlep luggage on the 'T'.  may be my
    only choice unless i drive in a park at $22 perday...i don't THINK so.
    
    

	Don't most hotels include free parking for guests?

Mark

    
    they told me $22 a nite and they know i'm a guest and a conference
    attendee.
    
    acccck
    

	I think I'd look for a different (nearby) hotel.  Or maybe I'm out of
touch, since I do my best to avoid big cities. :)

Mark

    Hotels *will* and do charge you for parking in The Big City... 

  

    
    So what exactly is a "double E waterfall" and where can I find one
    in New England?
    

Most if not all Boston hotels will charge for parking.

You might try one of the airport shuttle services - if they can't do it
themselves, they'll probably know who will.

tim

    My personal recomendation is Atom Heart mother, Meddle, Dark side of
    the moon, in this order, try it and enjoy it!!

can anyone tell me if they know of any "electronic-techy" type of conventions
in the northeast in the fall?  I'm trying to get a guy to come over from Finland
and he's an electronics whiz-type, lookin for a convention???

Wes

    Why does my cursor keep disappearing in M/S Word ???  Drives me nuts!
    Word V6.0A, NT 3.51.

    /Ken    

    
    Sounds as though you may be hitting the overtype mode
    key stroke mistakenly which often causes the cursor
    to act funny.  Check under the options menu, edit,
    for details.

	Ken, you answered your own question...

	the geniuses at MS have installed a routine that detects user annoyance 
	and causes the software to routinely recreate the "feature" that causes
	aggravation...  it was installed as a marketing ploy for thier new program
	coming out soon...  MSRelax...  :^)

				da ve

re:         <<< Note 97.6364 by DELNI::DSMITH "Can you see the real me" >>>

    Overtype mode is not specified under Tools/Options/Edit.
    
    Is there a good notes file for MS Word where I can ask ?

    Thanks,
    Ken

    
    Huh.  There should be a toggle button that says "overtype mode"
    on the "edit" tab sheet.  When that's shut off, life can be 
    better.

re:         <<< Note 97.6367 by DELNI::DSMITH "Can you see the real me" >>>
    
>    Huh.  There should be a toggle button that says "overtype mode"
>    on the "edit" tab sheet.  When that's shut off, life can be 
>    better.

    The toggle button is there but it's not checked off, so I presume it
    is already off when I have this problem.  

    /Ken

    any nuevo yorkers stay out in corinth/hadley/lake luzerne/george area
    before???
    
    
    campground recommendations?

    
    Yes, that must be all set then....All else I can think 
    of would be to check your cursor blink speed on Windows 
    setup.
    			- Deane

    Good idea on the cursor blink speed...  I've upped it, but
    it doesn't help.   I wonder if it's an NT memory thing.

    /Ken

	oh great and powerful Universe:

	I know she's hard to keep track of, even for you, but do
	you know where Cozmic Jerri is living these days...and
	I mean exactly cause I want to get in touch with her, not
	just send cosmic vibes in her general direction...

	Debess

    Ken - 
    
    It could be that your autosave setting is set to occur too frequently. 
    I find that the defaults, especially when working on large documents,
    cause me lots of headaches.  Also, autosave does not operate on a
    minimized Word window, so that when you bring it back up the first
    thing that happens is that autosave kicks in.
    
    I usually autosave every 15 - 30 minutes, but do REAL saves frequently. 
    I also have Word create a backup copy of the document.  Don't know how
    many times I'm mangled a critical document beyond all recognition.  :-)
    
    	dave
    

	Debess-

	Lisa Yetto had contact information for Jerri last i knew...  she doesn't
	keep it at work though...  

	i know this becsue she told me last time i was looking for info...
	unfortunately i was supposed to call Lisa at home and never did so
	i STILL don't have it... :^(

	if you do talk to Coz though, say hi for me too... :^)  i miss her and
	for some reason she's been on my mind a few times recently....

				da ve

oh, and last i heard she was still living in Oregon...  i think in Lake Oswego...
and loving it...

			da ve

	well, actually, da ve, I asked Lisa today and she said to
	ask you ;-)

	Jerri moved this winter and Lisa hasn't been able to find her 
	since :-(

	so Universe, I'm throwing it to you!

	hmmmm....  i wonder if she has a homepage up somewhere...

    try looking her up at www.switchboard.com, where you can find
    anyone's phone number (I think in the USA/Canada) as long as
    the number is not unlisted. I've had luck with that. 

no luck finding a web page...  Alta Vista search yielded no Jerri England
matches...  lot's of Coz, Jerri, and England matches...  :^)  nothing immediately
recognizable as Jerri...

but www.switchboard did yield two possible phone numbers....  J England
and JM England...  both in Portland Oregon...

hmmmm

				da ve

  Dear Universe,
  I'm constructing my ballot for the next 10 Dick's Picks...  Which I may
  even attempt to lobby for (esp. items they've decided against so far, like
  Harpur) if I can find a contact.
  
  However, bits & pieces of some shows I've liked either aren't clearly
  marked or aren't in my possession.  And -- Universe forgive me -- I have
  not yet ordered my own Deadbase.
  
  Off the top of your all-encompassing head (to coin a phrase 8)...
  
  - I think there are Kaiser Centers in both Oakland and SF.
    Which one was 5/26/73 at?
    
  - Was 5/8/77 (scarlet->fire et al.) at Madison Sq. Garden?

  - Was 10/21/83 at Worcester MA?  (10/20/83 was.)      JayC.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3/1/69    Fillmore West, SF
5/2/70    Harpur College, NY
4/28/71   Fillmore East, NY (w/TC)
8/27/72   Veneta, OR (Kesey's Farm benefit)
5/26/73   Kaiser Center, Oakland (SF?)
5/8/77    ?Madison Square Garden, NY
12/31/78  Winterland, SF
10/21/83  ?Worcester, MA
6/14/85   Greek Theater, Berkeley
3/29/90   Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale NY (w/ Branford Marsalis)
  or
9/10/91   Madison Square Garden, NY (w/ Branford Marsalis)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>  - I think there are Kaiser Centers in both Oakland and SF.
>    Which one was 5/26/73 at

5/26/73  Kezar Stadium, San Francisco, CA
    
>  - Was 5/8/77 (scarlet->fire et al.) at Madison Sq. Garden?

Barton Hall (Cornell U), Ithica, NY

>  - Was 10/21/83 at Worcester MA?  (10/20/83 was.)      JayC.

The Centrum, Worcester, MA  I was there...

>3/1/69    Fillmore West, SF
>5/2/70    Harpur College, NY
>4/28/71   Fillmore East, NY (w/TC)
>8/27/72   Veneta, OR (Kesey's Farm benefit)
>5/26/73   Kaiser Center, Oakland (SF?)
>5/8/77    ?Madison Square Garden, NY
>12/31/78  Winterland, SF

these are all well-circulated. 

IMHO 9/20/70 would be nice.

 Josh

RE:  COZ  

Yea,  Rae and I were both talking about her within the last 2 weeks. 
Also,  I send Kevin mail at cisco 2 or 3 weeks ago and never heard back.

    
>  - Was 5/8/77 (scarlet->fire et al.) at Madison Sq. Garden?

Barton Hall - Cornell Ithaca NY (right?)


Skip all that other "fluff" :) :) :) and GIVE US:

6-30-85 *AND* 7/1/85 Merriwether COMPILATION.

Both those shows were mindblowing awesome....
:)

  Thanks Josh.
  
  I'll have to check if 9/20/70 and 6/23/74 are present in friends' lending
  libraries...
  
  I get the impression you'd rather Dick L. & co. not bother with usual
  suspects (well circulated shows) -- unless they can add value in the mix
  or by supplying missing pieces -- and concentrate on relatively unheralded
  gems...  I've heard this from collectors.

  I was focussing more on getting "classic" shows into wider circulation.
  
  What the heck.  If they keep at this Dick's Picks thing long enough, they
  should wind up satisfying both tapeheads & the ignorati...  - JayC.

re: Coz

Funny, I looked her up on Switchboard and got 2 "Jerri England"'s, one in
WV and one in GA.  Both are pretty far from Lake Oswego, Oregon though!

adam

switchboard.com is a little out of date...at least a year old...possibly
several.

tim

i rather see them release shows that are not in circulation but
are very noteworthy!

    so today i get to take home my pc with Windows 95 on it, having
    replaced it with NT and fster and better franastats - what i 
    want to do is copy everything off my very olllllddd  pc at home and
    put it on the W95 one.  Except the W95 already has MS Office 6 and a
    bunch of other stuff so really - all i need to do is copy over any 
    personal word docs/excel/etc, keeereect? and like my internet provider
    stuff etc etc.  in other words - this isn't going to be brain surgery
    right? 
    
    

Carol, doesn't sound like a big deal.
you mostly will want your word docs, spreadsheets,etc.  i would
test one word doc to see if it'll work with your word 6.0 on W95.
if your old pc has word 6, should be no prob.  but if it is an older
word, it'll have to convert...

just go thru each directory and anything that you created using
some installed piece of software needs to be saved off....

    
    RE: .6387   anyone???  we really need some help/advice on how to do
    this.  has anyone changed machines and be willing to do a call with
    john at home to figure outwhat's going on? 
    
    carol_not_just_yodeling_here  

    booink - thanks JC .... I'll be send ig you mail 
    

dear universe....  why can't i send Debess mail??????

			da ve

	is it anything like Vax mail?
	

    octobr::DEBESS should work but you knew that.  maybe ZKO is under siege
    from the Oracle building!

no, it's nothing like VAX mail...  :^)

and octobr::debess bounced...

			da ve

...coming up from the trenches

octobr is probably hidden so try STAR::OCTOBR::DEBESS or STAR::GRABAZS

(I -love- to get mail - can't wait!!!)

hmmmm...  you should already have it...  apparently it's 
stuck back in the ether again...

let's try this one more time...

			da ve

resent...  didja get it??? didja, didja????  :^)

				da ve

    Anyone know what the statute of limitations is for parking tickets?
    I got a nasty-gram from the city of Worcester about a ticket they
    supposedly issued to me in January 1992. I'd be content to let it
    die a peaceful death if I can get away with it.
    
    thanks - Dave

    I didn't think there was one!! I thought that if you get pulled over
    and have outstanding traffic tixs, you will be arrested. That's why
    Patty would pull the tixs that I got whilst parking in the no
    parking zone in front of the likker store out of the trash can where i
    pitched it and would pay it.  
    rfb

re:          <<< Note 97.6398 by ASABET::DCLARK "SBU Technology Group" >>>
>                    -< if you ignore it; it'll go away ... >-

Or more likely you'll be unable to renew your license and/or registration
until it's paid.

/Ken

if you ignore it the first thing that will happen is they will 
mark your license and registration so that they cannot be renewed...

if you continue to ignore it, they may indeed issue a warrant for 
your arrest...

if you ignore it and park in the worng neighborhood of boston, fer
instance, and get another one, you may come out to find your
car with a denver boot!

either go to court and contest it, or pay the fine...  the latter is most
likely the easiest...  and pay it soon, before they stat ading more 
penalties and interest...

			da ve

                                                   
    What is the location for the PC (general discussion) notesfile? 

	hardware? or software?
	
	GIADEV::DECSTATION is the *digital pc* notes conference.
	

Apple/IBM/Motorola PowerPC	HUMANE::POWERPC				    3969
DEC PC Engineering Documenta    GIADEV::DECPC_ENG			    3641
DEC Portable PCs		AKOCOA::DECPC_PORTABLES			    3560
DECpc Product Information	PCBUOA::PCPROD_INFO			    4045
IBM PC				NOTED::IBMPC-95				     987
IBM PC Shareware Programs	HUMANE::IBMPC_SHAREWARE			    2994
PC Multimedia Development	XSTACY::PC_MULTIMEDIA			    3852
PC Utility			SHRCTR::PCUTILITY			    4523

    
    Thanks!
    
    Fwiw:  I am very satisfied with the performance of my Digital Celebris
    Pentium 5100.  I picked it up on Wednesday and find it to be quick, quiet 
    and the 14.4 modem seems plenty fast.  I'm looking for a  cheap CD Rom
    and will upgrade soon.   
    
    Today at lunch, I'm going to stroll over to the Ultarnet office in 
    Littleton Center and get hooked up with them.  Can't wait.

    did anyone in here ever get the Hornsby-Weir-Lesh tapes form 4-12-96??
    
    rfb

	i have a copy that belongs to dave clark (DC).

I haven't been to Greed Woods in a long time.  Do they let you bring in
water bottles (plastic nalgene), food, sandwiches ?
I assume the food at the concession stands is high priced and long-lined ?

 - Josh

    i got a backpack in for last year's allmans show..i wrapped everything
    up in the blanket we sat on...they sorta glossed over it....i would
    venture to say no tho

re    <<< Note 97.6409 by WMOIS::LEBLANCC "All good things in all good time" >>>

>    i got a backpack in for last year's allmans show..i wrapped everything

well, the Allmans allow taping, so backpacks should be no problem.

>    up in the blanket we sat on...they sorta glossed over it....i would
>    venture to say no tho

man I hate that shit.  Venues being anal about protecting their concession
stand revenues.

 - Josh

you can bring bottles of water, as long as the seal has not been broken. 
They'd rather you pay $4 for a pretzel than let you bring food, however.

jeff

>you can bring bottles of water, as long as the seal has not been broken. 

what about an empty nalgene water bottle?


 - Josh

    I know they frown on emprty cups of any sort. A buddy of mine had one
    of those sport-water-bottle-thingys, empty of course, and had to toss
    it.

    I really can't stand Great Woods.  I had to go to two shows there
    last summer (HORDE and Lollapalooza).  We had free tickets, otherwise
    I wouldn't have gone there.
    	
    I'll tell you why:
    	
    	For both shows there was a very long (and rude) line to get into 
    the place.  After waiting for at least 30 minutes, you get up to the
    gate and THEN next to the people checking bags, etc, there is a 
    sign with what you can/can't bring into the show.  This included
    no food, no cups, no cameras, no blankets, etc. etc. (It was a very
    long list).  But you had waited so long that the last thing you want
    to do is trough back to your car and wait in line again.  So at
    the gate there was a HUGE pile of blankets, and garbage cans filled
    with unopened boxes/containers of food, beverages, and water bottles.
    
    Another thing I didn't like (this is a personal one) is that they 
    will not accept duplicate ids for beer, no matter what age you are.
    I have a duplicate id because I lost my wallet 3 years ago.  Then
    I was refused a $5 cup of bud.  So, my boyfriend got one.  (This
    part pisses me off, even though I guess it was my fault).  I was
    taking a sip of the beer when a security guy (definitely on a power
    trip) came over to us.  He asked me for my id, and then told me that
    I was not allowed to drink there, and they did not serve it to me.
    He then took the full cup out of my hand and walked to the trash can
    (while I was saying, 'hey, at least let him (Bow) drink it.  He'll drink 
    the whole thing in front of you').  The security officer smiled and poured 
    the whole beer into the trash can.  grrrrr.... to make it worse we
    didn't have any money on us.
    
    I could go on and on with stories about great woods, but that's just
    a little sampling.

    
    Danielle,
    
    Its a pretty good sampling, indicative of why I don't bother with the
    place either.....no need for fascism.....
    
    Hogan

Danielle,
    
well, thanks for confirming my darkest fears & nightmares about the place...
 :-|... will have to shift into full stealth mode:  water bottle & food hidden
beneath shit that'll be packed under the taping gear bag... will use taping 
gear to distract 'em.

 - Josh

    
    here here  
    
    They shut me off once at G.W. after having only 2 16oz beers!!!!!!
    
    fools

    <--------- how many you have in the parking lot before showtime....
    hmmmmmmMMMMMM?????
    :^o

	i bought a bottle of water at GW once and they took away the
	cap. they said "you could throw it and hit someone in the eye".
	wtf, am i a two year old?
	
	went to a moody blues show w/my buddy. it was a hot summer nite
	and he was wearing white tennis shorts and a white tank top. no
	pockets. they frisked him. i asked them what they were hoping to
	find hidden beneath his skin.  :-/
	
	but, in re; to danielle, the security dude was definitely on a
	power trip, but the thing about the ID is a state law and it's
	like that everywhere and not just at GW.
	

    
    Deano, it was your wide grin that threw them off - you looked like
    you were having too much fun!
    

    hell they won't even let me buy a beer at fenway with a NH license

    re GW:
    
    So it's OK to bring in an unopened bottle of water,
    but not OK to bring in an empty water bottle (presumably to fill at
    a water fountain)?
    
    /b

	please, don't look for logic, /b.
	
	;-)
	
	

    
    I understand that the duplicate id thing is state law, but young 
    as I look, I have never had problems using my id anywhere (in this state
    or others) but Great Woods.  I am always going out to places and having 
    my id checked, and never encountered hassle.  More the reason it 
    bothered me was that it was a full (to the brim) beer and Bow could've 
    drank it instead of wasting $5 to a smiling security guard.
    
    I also heard that they have replaced the lawn at Great Woods with sand.
    You may want to check on this, but a few people have told me about
    this.  
    
    /d

I'll have sand tickets please :)  goes good with water...

WO

	the grass is back, i heard.
	but, who know for how long.

    
    Actually, I take the sand comment back, I just asked someone who
    went to the recent Styx/Kansas show last week. The lawn was lawn.
    
    I know that the lawn was sand for some of the shows in the past year.
    Maybe they pour sand on top for 'at-risk' shows?  (When sod throwing
    is predicted?)
    
    All in all, the whole place has a weird vibe and just doesn't make
    sense.

    I remember a few years back that the Lollapalooza fans set fire
    to the lawn...
    
    /b

	Dear Magnificent U,

	Why-o-why do I get  files like  MAIL$E9784FB800050099.MAI;1
	in my account?   I think it happens when I ext/noheader stuff


	Toby_not_very_smart_but_can_lift_heavy_things_8-)

	those are mail messages Toby.
	you can hide them in a sub-directory by going into mail and
	issuing this command:
	
MAIL > set mail [.mail]
	
	they'll still be there, you just won't see them in your root
	directory.

    Run MAIL from your top directory...
    then: 
     SET MAIL_DIRECTORY [.MAIL]
    
    You'll create a separate directory for all those .MAI files, and
    never have to look at 'em again!

	Thanks  Guys!

	It woiked... that''s been bugging me for a while.


	Toby

    
    >  <--------- how many you have in the parking lot before showtime....
    
    	Ohhh, probably about 30 or so.  But still, it's the priciple
    	of the whole thing.

    ya...it's the PRINCIPLE!!!! damn it!

somewhere (I think the url is www.boston.com) to get to next tickets you 
can send them email with questions (I asked why the long wait between 
ordering and receiving tickets). I actually got 2 replies from them. Send 
them mail asking them to specify what can and can't be brought into 
(in)Grate Woods, Old Orchard Beach, etc. Take the message with you to the 
show in case mental midget security has a problem (if they can read).

jeff

    Lotrashaloozers tore down the fence and started some dionysian bonfire
    with the wood as well as tore up the sod to throw at one another.....
    
    Ahhhh yes
    teen angst

    
    One time when Christine and I were at GW's we stopped
    and grabbed a couple beers on our way to the lawn... hands
    full of blankets etc... barely able to carry the beers...
    
    We got carded 3 MORE times on our way to the lawn... it was
    absurb!  I swear they were just watching each other stop us
    and make us put everything down, dig out the id, show it, put
    it away, pick everything up, walk 10 feet and get stopped by
    another security guard!  we were not happy!
    
    MJ

	Hmmm, maybe it was your attire?

I'm psyched to go to greatwoods now!

    Dear Universe,
    
    I need some advice.  You see, I'm confused . . . about my orientation. 
    When I was young I went one way, my parents' way.  When I got older and
    could make my own decisions, I went a different way, my way, and it
    felt much more natural.
    
    Now something new has come along and I feel pulled in both directions. 
    It's these new combination boxer-briefs.  I don't know what to believe
    in anymore: the cool comfort of combed cotton briefs or the potency
    boosting freedom of boxers.  Can I really have it all in the 90s? 
    Please help me feel good all under.
    
    Hamstrung in Hudson

    let your boys hang damnit!!
    
    cotton briefs are for weenies

...or as Cosmo Kramer said "My boys need a home"

:)

    
    Well, if ya got an active lifestyle there's nothin like a good ol pair 
    of Fruit o' the Loom to keep everything in order.  Boxers are for lazy 
    old men.

    re: last 3
    
    Jeez, read the note wouldya??  There's a new product out which promises
    the best of both worlds.  It's basically briefs with boxer length leg
    holes.  I testing them today, come on up to HLO2-3 to see what the
    comfortable men of the 90s are wearing.  Bring dollar bills.
    
    Jamie

    
    Jamie,
    
    Please let us know how you're doing at the end of the day!!!
    
    Hmmm.....I detected the term potency there, do you believe it? ;^)
    
    Hogan

	Jamie,

	You say you get the est of both worlds but do these new-fangled
	breifxers come in wild colors & patterns???

	Toby

	refromed Breifer_weenie

    
    
    re: Boxer Briefs
    
    
    GREAT STUFF! I swear by 'em.  Support in the legs and butt,
                 and freedom where you need it. ;-)
    
    
    ex boxer wearer.

	JUST when you think you're past the boxer vs brief debate, some
	MARKETEER stirs things up.
	
	wake up! you're being duped by madison ave. there is no fence
	sitting. you're either a briefs man or a boxer man. (or, if
	you're leblanc, you're a lacy, frilly, satin, crotchless man ;-)
	
	combination boxer brief? HaH, what'll the come up with next?
	i liken this to that toothpaste that's: paste, jell AND baking
	soda all twisted into 1 tube. C'MON, make up your mind! pick 1!!
	
	
	
	;-)   ;-)

    You guys are probably still debating the wet vs. dry look (the wet head
    is dead . . . and buried, fyi) whereas I've moved firmly into the 90s. 
    I believe that, when it comes to underwear, change is good.
    
    

    
    Jay-
    
    On the floor!  :-)
    
    
    

re "when it comes to underwear, change is good"

no argument here...  that's why i change mine every day!

yesterday boxers were plaid with Martin the Martian on 'em...
today's are little paisley sort of things...  :^)

			da ve

    tomorrow
    
    none

  I don't think I ever heard "Day Job" or "My Brother Esau" at any Dead show
  I attended.
  
  I recall a couple of GRATEFUL noters trashing, esp. Day Job, fairly
  regularly...
  
  What's the scoop?  Covers, originals?  Anything worth noting about them?
   - JayC.

	both originals

	I actually liked Esau, and was wondering why it was dropped...
	maybe Bobby will resurrect it someday

Day Job was played to death several years back...  that's what 
made it the subject of much scorn for a long time...  personally,
i still kinda like it...  a fun littel ditty devoid of much real meaning
other than something to smile and tap-toes about...  i still kinda like it...

i always liked Esau too...  would have like d to have caught it a
few more times...  don't know why it got dumped in later years...

			da ve

    Shakedown Street does Day Job way  too much.....%^)
    I *think* (if the cells are functioning) we saw an Esau at Red Rocks???
    
    rfb

The only My Brother Easu I saw was at my first show, 7/2/87.  That was a
killer show with I think an 11-song first set.  They played a lot of In The
Dark that show (Hell In a Bucket, West LA Fadeaway, My Brother Esau, When
Push Comes to Shove).

I never got to hear Day Job.  They retired it before I got to see it.  Did
they play it since '87?  Too bad, I liked it.  I did get to hear a couple
Might As Well's (another nonsense song :-))

adam

I think I have an Esau...I'll have to check my tapes, but I Think it's on a
Centrum show...

WO

	most likely you did hear Esau at Red Rocks -
	looking over the set lists that Josh gave me, it was played
	there in '83, '84, '85 AND '87

    Good version on 11/20/85.
    
    	dave
    

    Day Job reminds me a lot of Liberty...
    I always thought Brother Esau was a cool tune...
                                             Ross
    
                                             

musically or in terms of it being played more than it deserved?
:^)

i think Jerry was hoping Liberty would turn into some sort of anthem...
not a bad tune, but i think it failed to live up to it's potential...

Day Job, well, maybe it exceeded it's potential... :^)

			da ve

    "My Brother Easu" is one of my favorite Bobby songs.  It's an updated
    version of the Biblical tale of Esau and Jacob (you now know the Bible
    as well as I do :-)).  He dropped it from his repertoire, along with
    other goodies like "Black-Throated Wind" and "Saint of Circumstance,"
    for reasons I can't fathom and replaced them with Dylan covers it seems
    to me.  At least BTW made a comeback.
    
    Jamie

    I think one of the problems with Liberty was its heavy encore
    rotation... as far as an anthem you never can tell...
                                               Ross
    
    
    

    I concur with Ross
    
    heavy rotation is an understatement

7/14/84 Greek Day Job encore!

  Thanks for all the Day Job & Esau comments.
  And since someone mentioned "Liberty"...

  The following songs entered the Dead repertoire <raise pinky> after '91,
  and pretty much seemed to take root.
  
  Any winners here?  (Say, of the caliber that collected in the early 80s
  and became In the Dark...?)  Are most originals?  Would 8 or 10 of these
  have rounded out a nice album?   Any comments welcome.
  
        So Many Roads           55 appearances from 2/22/92
        Corrina                 69 apps. from 2/23/92
        Long Way to Go Home     91 apps. from 2/23/92
        Lazy River Road         67 apps. from 2/21/93
        Eternity                44 apps. from 2/21/93
        Liberty                 57 apps. from 2/21/93
        The Days Between        42 apps. from 2/22/93
        Broken Arrow            36 apps. from 2/22/93
        I Fought the Law        37 apps. from 3/14/93
        Easy Answers            44 apps. from 6/5/93
        Samba in the Rain       38 apps. from 6/8/94
        If the Shoe Fits        17 apps. from 6/9/94
        Childhood's End         13 apps. from 7/20/94

  By contrast, the following entered but seemed not to endure...
  
        Wave to the Wind        22 from 2/22/92
        Mat(h)ilda              6 from 7/20/94
  - JayC.

    So Many Roads, Jerry could wail vocally on this one when in the mood
    Lazy River Road, nice versions from Vegas
    Eternity, should make every kid in grammer school sing this in the
    morning
    Days Between, grate lyrics and the "jam" or "break" after the singing I
    always liked ALOT!
    Easy Answers, what can i say...ain't no easy answers! 
    
    I've heard everything from excellent versions to piss poor...but i like
    all these songs, more the "jam" or musical part then the words although
    Days has some good lyrics. 
    
    Corrina i used to like...esp when i found out the real lyrics were
    VELVEEEETAAAA! %^) but it got old faster than the others.
    Long Way was good until it was overdone
    Broken Arrow  -- play phil, not sing! %^)
    I Fought The Law I like...not an orig
    Samba...what the f...
    If the SHoe FIts - come on Phil...
    Childshood End... the only one I'm not  too familiar with
    Wave to the Wind -- sayy bye bye to that song
    MAtilda ...only herad it once on tape, never live...i liked it.
    
    you asked!
    
    rfb
    
    
    
    

    re;Eternity, should make every kid in grammer school sing this in the
        morning
    
    that should be for LIBERTY!!!! not Eternity, which i alwasy thought was
    alittle lame.
    
    rfb

	but, but, rfb!  if they "make" kids sing it, isn't that the opposite
	of the song's message ;-)

	Debess

    I heard Phil was tinkering with the idea of trying to put out the
    studio album...So Many Roads is a personal fav...Ross

	yeah, Jay, there was an album's worth of good material
	that had been played long enough for them to have worked
	out the kinks and gotten the groove...but guess it's not
	to be...in any case, the tapes of live performances were
	always better than their commercial releases

	(the only covers in that list are Broken Arrow, IFTL and
	Mathilda)

	furthur!
	Debess

    The working title for Corrina was Alberta...believe it or not..Ross

    So Many Roads and Long long long long long long song...
    
    from that list of "new" stuff, these would be what i'd call the 
    true "winners"...
    
    jmho
    
    				da ve

    
    I finally found a good version of Corina that I actually like (and I 
    was there).
    
    Try RFK Stadium, 1992 summer tour (I think it's 6/20/92 or something).
    
    It's real good.  Also, later in the set was the 1st Casey Jones in
    15 or so years.

    re:
    
            but, but, rfb!  if they "make" kids sing it, isn't that the
    opposite
            of the song's message ;-)
    
            Debess
    
    got a point  there!!!!  %^)
    
    rfb

Corina can be good, if you're mind is tuned exactly right

  Thanks for all the comments about Esau, Day Job, & the 90s cuts...
  Really helpful.  (Not to preempt any further comment...)
  
  I was able to complete a survey of sorts of the Dead's live repertoire
  (which is feeding into a couple other Dead-related mini-projects).  Also
  updated lists of live staples, by concert appearance & by album, through
  '95.
  
  I guess I don't need to inflict this conference with the updates, but I
  will say one thing...  Between 90s compositions like:
  
      Long Way to Go Home, Corrina, Lazy River Road, Liberty, So Many Roads,
      Eternity, Easy Answers, Day Between, ....
  
  And live staples that have never made it into commercial release:
  
      Peggy-O (263 appearances), Women are Smarter (199), Iko Iko (185),
      It's All Over Now (154), It's All Over Now Baby Blue (146),
      Masterpiece (146), Esau (104), Wang Dang Doodle (95),
      Gimme Some Lovin' (87), Memphis Blues Again (76), The Last Time (71), ...
  
  There's one hell of a 90s live album Dick, John, & Phil could assemble
  from tapes!    - JayC.

    Back from 2 weeks vacationing on Cape Cod, Lake Sunapee, and northern CT,
    and I got a problem.  During camping in CT, Lucy (our dog) decided she'd 
    rather hang out in the tent, and without our knowing it, she basically
    mauled the main door screen of our Eureka Alpine Meadows tent until she
    gouged a hole large enough to get in.  She's a large dog, combo German
    Shepherd and Black Lab.  

    Anyone have any experience replacing a tent screen ?  Where to go, 
    materials etc ?   Right now I'm thinking about sewing in a large
    fiberglass screen over the entire tent screen, but the tent screen
    seems to be tougher than fiberglass screening.  Any suggestions ?

    Tanks
    /Ken

RE:   Corrina

shake it up baby!!

That last Garden (Boston) run  had an excellent Corrina > Drumz.

re:  Tents

Ken,  I'd ask the same question to someone who does zipper repair.  Having
2 dogs and Rae and I we fouled the zippers on my tent a couple times.  I
had better zippers put in and wouldn't doubt that the people who did it
could/would do whatever you need.

bob

    re .6479
    
    Esau was put out on only the cassette copies (and cass. singles) of "In
    The Dark," not on the LP or CD.  I've got no idea why.
    
    re .6480
    
    You can buy no-see-um netting, which is what tent screen is, from
    places like New England Backpacker in Worcester.  EMS might carry it
    also.  I don't know how you'd make the repair though.  You could always
    put in a pet door flap. :-)

Wasn't Baby Blue on the very first Grateful Dead Album?? I seem 
to recall hearing, having somewhere a very early album version 
of Baby Blue.

    Baby Blue was on an unofficial release on Sunflower Records that came
    out in the '69-70 timeframe. It had a yellowish cover with a Ripple
    bottle on the cover.I think the second side was devoted to a 17-minute
    "Dancin in the Streets" or "Lovelight." It was a good album that got
    pulled due to licensing hassles. You can still find the vinyl at record
    conventions, but I haven't seen it out on CD. The parent company, MGM,
    also put out an LP called "Historic Dead." Both of them were live LPs.

>    Esau was put out on only the cassette copies (and cass. singles) of "In
>    The Dark," not on the LP or CD.  I've got no idea why.

  Very interesting...  Guess I'll try to get this, just to compare the
  studio version to live ones.  (Now I understand the previous reference to
  Esau being part of In the Dark.)

  While we're into commercial release idiosyncracies...  I notice the
  mid-80s reissues of the Keystone (Garcia/Saunders) material consist of
  Live vols.1 & 2 (reissuing the old double LP), and Encores
  (all-unreleased), in all formats.  Additionally there's an Encores Vol.2
  that, right now at least, is available only on LP and cassette.  Do folks
  know about this?  Was it initially available on CD as well, or always
  just LP/cs only?

  RE:  Baby Blue
  
  Yeah, I actually used to own Vintage Dead, with Baby Blue...  Don't know
  when it slipped out of my hands.  Don't think I ever bought Historic Dead,
  though I saw it in stores.  Didn't one of them have Midnight Hour?
  
  Anyway, I guess I didn't count those two as commercial releases, only
  because they weren't Dead-approved.  [Of course bootlegs could just as
  well be viewed as commercial releases...]

  Now back to tent repair, already in progess...   - JayC.

    	Re: previous,
    
>    Esau was put out on only the cassette copies (and cass. singles) of "In
>    The Dark," not on the LP or CD.  I've got no idea why.
    
    FWIW, it's also on the flip side of a single, pressed in grey vinyl, with
    Touch of Grey on the "A" side. Found it at a record store years ago,
    with a folded Dead poster for the jacket (designed that way) and a
    G.D. postcard from the record company (Arista?) addressed to the record
    store announcing the Album's impending release.... If you have trouble 
    tracking down the studio version, let me know, and I'm sure I can help 
    (in the interests of science :^). I'm in Salem, NH...
    
    -chuck
    

	Ken - my dog pushed her way thru the screen on our tent this
	"weekend" too - fortunately, the screen was ripped exactly where
	it meets the zipper - so I sat on the cooler and hand-sewed the
	screen, meanwhile getting eaten alive by mosquitos...

	screens can mean the difference between sanity and insanity ;-)

	Debess

    easu was also released on a 45 for juke boxes...I know, cause I ruined
    the copy in one of the local watering holes playing it repetitively.
    The juke box guy couldn't find a replacement and now almost all jukes
    are CD's.
    rfb

    and shoot that dog!!

ok universe... try this one on for size....

i have an Alpha NT workstation (3.5) in my office that
was used for demos in trade shows and such...

when i boot it up and it prompts me for a password
for the account/domain that was created...

no one here knows the password...  there's apparently no way 
of getting the password back...  

typically, we use these as "administrator" machines...  no
passwords entered etc...  you can just essentially tab through
the logon procedure...

short of completely reloading NT on this sucker, is there any
way i can get past this !@#$ password screen that some @#$%
bozo added here so that it can be put to some constructive use again??


			da ve

    
    da ve
     I'll ask one of the nt support people here at cx03 tomorrow and see if
    they know a way to "break" in.
    
    Divide

re: Tent screen

I'm glad I brought the duct tape which was used to cover all the holes
and the temporary pet door (good one Jamie ;-) for the night...   and I 
wish she got in quicker than she did. There are holes all over the bottom
half of the screen (but only 1 pet door ;-) so patching/mending is out.
Just a HUGE patch over the whole thing will do it I hope.

re: shoot the dog

that was considered, but after a few moments calming down, decided not to ;-)

/Ken

da ve:

1) use your emergency repair diskette and restore the SAM database.  note,
you must have known the password when you made this disk

2) install NT to a diff root; log in, etc...

thanks JC...  problem is, no emergency repair diskette... :^(
as a trade show system, it was hauled all over the place with
no doc's, no support stuff whatever...  it had NT 3.5 loaded on
and, since i can't get past the login i don't know what else...  :^/

looking like starting from scratch again is the only way out...
of course, the plus side is i should be able to load in 3.51... :^)

related question...  i want to use this machine to run netscape
and show html files locally...  if the machine is never connected 
to the network and will only be pulling files from the disk, does
it need to have TCP/IP installed too?  

				da ve

			

    
    da ve
    
    Per support no way to get in without the emergency repair diskette and
    even then you need to know the password for that.
    
    Divide

    thanks...  i talked to the lab guys here anbd got pretty much the same
    response...  MS did something right with the security i guess... :^)
    so the lab dudes will help me rebuild the machine with 3.51...
    
    saw them using NT4.0 to test some new machines, including a 433 MHz
    Alpha...  i like the win95 type front end, and those new alphas are
    blazing!
    
    						da ve

    And you'll need TCP/IP installed for Netscape to work. It is fairly
    painless on NT.
    
    You might want to consider installing the beta of V4. It seems to be
    fairly stable.
    
    gary

    actually, i might want to consider throwing the damn machine out the
    window...  loading NT gets as far as loading the CD-ROM file system and
    then the whole things stops...  :^(
    
    this is one of those days when i really wish i were following the
    Danielles and Jeffs and everyone else out the door...  
    
    					da ve

Are you sure you need TCP for netscape???

da ve: what are you loading it on again? a jensen? 
might want to install 3.5, upgrade to 3.51, then upgrade to NT 4.0 RC1.
sounds like a lotta work, but it really isn't that much.
certainly easier than installing VMS!

Netscape is a TCP/IP application.  If NT doesn't come
with it built in, then you'll need to put it in to
access the net at all.


tim

You can also use netscape to view .htm, .gif, .jpg, etc. files
locally.  doesn't need tcp to view files locally.

so, i think you can install netscape w/o TCP to read local
.htm, etc files.

that's what i want to do, no net, just display .html from 
the local hard disk...

i have a 433 alpha pc that is now running NT 3.51...
it's not a "product" machine...  a pc64 type mother board
in a generic enclosure...

i'll let you know how the rest goes...

film at 11...

				da ve  

    Netscape tries at least one socket call at startup, probably to 
    determine the local node name, so you need the network code installed
    even when opening local files. Netscape even ships a dummy winsock (the
    API to the network stack) for 16 bit windows so people can use it to
    access local files.
    
    NT has all of the stuff you'll need. You just need to tell it you want
    TCP/IP when it asks about network options.
    
    gary

welp, it works...  :^)

had a hell of a time though...

had to reload NT3.51... went relatively painlessly and i did not
load any of the network stuff...

got the netscape 1.1 for NT/Alpha off the IBG page with my pc...
tried to copy the zip file ot floppy...  too big...   floppy is 1.44 and the
zip file is like 1.8 or something...  stuck...  unzipped the file on
my pc and copied them individually to floppies and loaded them in
to the alpha machine from its floppy drive...  errors reading from
the disk...  try copying from my machine to floppy again and now
it loads...

run setup.exe...  "setup cannot find file blahblahblah..."  look at
path name for files it can't find...  i can see the files in file manager,
but hey, what's this??  disk1?  disk2???  when the files unzipped it
did not make a disk1 and disk2 subdirectory, but that's where setup
is looking for them...  move the files to newly created disk1 and 2 
subdirectories and the install completes!  applications starts with errors
about not being able to find the network (no kidding) but it does
run files from the floppy drive!!!!

lots of head scratching ("why the hell did it do that??") and frustration
at things that should have worked but didn't, but it looks (he says fearfully)
that it is going to work after all...

				da ve

cool da ve!
an adventure everytime!

i have nt 4.0 rc1 running.
slooooooowwww compared to 3.51.
hopefully it is just debug code... just about anyting w/ the network
is slooooww... even on my p133 w./ 96mb!

    NT 4.0 Betas had a deliberate pause inserted for making and breaking
    network connections.  I don't recall why.  Supposedly, this will be
    removed from the shipping version.  I'm sorta surprised that it is
    still present in the RC code...
    
    	dave
    

  Dear Universe,
  Is Main st. in Nashua (NH) readily accessible from Rte. 3?
  
  If it's marked on an exit sign, a simple "yes" will suffice.  Thx. - JayC.

               
    JayC -
      No exit with main street marked as far as I know. Exit 4,5,6,7 east
    will get you there in several blocks (less than 1 mile from rt.3).
    If you're heading for the center exit 5, Kinglsly st. ends up pretty
    close.
    
    Cath
     

    JayC
    take exit 5 east...it is next to the Howard Johnson's off rte 3....
    go straight down Kinsley St , thru a couple/3 stop lights..runs right
    into main..take a left..look for a 4 corner intersection..a cvs, city
    hall and speedy muffler are there...on the other corner is a pizza
    joint,video store and d'angelos
    
    headlines is crammed in between in that row of shops

  Thanks, C & C...  Hope to make it up there Friday morning.  JayC.

    
    can anyone tell me if there is still a notesfile for Massachusetts
    like - you know, MORTAL::NEW_HAMPSHIRE? 
    
    

	yes, i'm sure someone can.
	

    I'm looking to add a CD player to my car.
    
    I already have a nice DENON cassette player/tuner, that
    has audio input jacks and a lead that accepts some sort
    of signal to switch the input source (to the CD player).
    
    Is anybody still selling single-CD input decks?
    
    /bruce

    Some of the newer portables have the memory based antishock devices, so
    one of those may be an alternative for car use. I've seen mounting
    gadgets for using them in the car too.
    
    Regardless, the Crutchfield catalog is probably the first thing to look
    at for car audio (and you should be able to beat their prices).
    
    gary

>    Is anybody still selling single-CD input decks?

    Not sure what you're asking.   If you have a cassette type unit
    with an auxillary input jack, you could just pick up one of the
    anti-shock portable cd-players, and run a line from headphone out
    to aux-in.

    I have a similar setup, but except the in-dash unit is a cd-player.
    It has an AUX-in jack that I use with a D5 cassette deck. Sounds great.
    
    /Ken

	i have one in the boat. i have a tape/AM/FM/weather unit with a
	CD input in the front. the CD is an old Sony with a base plate
	the plugs into a cigarette lighter. radio slack(tm) sells a
	mounting plate with a similar power source for portable CD
	players.

    I believe there is an additional lead to signal the Amp which
    input source to use...  When you stick a tape in the deck,
    the amp switches from the tuner to the tape deck...
    So the CD deck needs to provide (or I need to fake it)
    a signal to switch the input source.  I'd like a deadicated
    car deck, to just install in the car and leave there.
    I suspect such a deck (if they still make them) will
    have an output to send such a signal.   
    
    Or, if I need to go with a non-auto player, how can I fake the signal?
    I'm sure that I can't just send 12v on the line.
    
    /bruce

	i'm not sure what you're asking, bruce.
	my tape player has a CD input on the front. it's a little 1/4"
	plug just like the little headsets on portable tape players. when
	i turn the unit on, the selected radio band comes on (usually
	the FM). i can select AM, or wether band by pushing buttons.
	When i put a tape in, it plays the tape. 
	
	My CD has two outputs: line out and headphones out. I can run a
	standard 1/4" stereo cord form either output to the "CD in" on
	the front of the tape player. when you fire up a cd, the tape
	player knows what to do.  ??
	
	i never tried to play both at once, so i don't know what would
	happen  ;-)
	

    In a standard Tuner/Tape unit, I think  that there is a microswitch
    (or somesuch) that is activated when a tape is fully inserted to switch
    the input source so that the amp gets the signal from the tape instead
    of the tuner.  My unit has L&R audio inputs (like  on the back of
    a home receiver), and, if I recall correctly, there is another
    lead that takes a signal from the CD deck to switch the input source,
    analogously to  the tape deck microswitch...
    
    /bruce

    So you have a tape deck that is expecting one of those trunk-mounted CD
    changers.  I don't think that any of the single-play portables (which
    is what folks here have been talking about) will provide the signal to
    that deck.
    
    Perhaps you should ask the folks from whom you got the deck...
    
    	dave
    

	if it's got rca jacks on the back you can make a plug to go out
	of the cd into the rca jacks.
	
	this is actually how my boat cd works. i have a tape player, 40W
	equalizer and a cd. the equalizer has 3 inputs: speaker input
	from the tape player, low-level rca jacks, and a CD input on the
	front. i use the speaker out of the tape into the equalizer, then
	i use the 1/4" headphone out from the cd, which i split into rca
	jacks which plugs into the back of the equalizer. you should be
	able to buy a 1/4" --> Rca jacks cable, but i made mine.
	
	or, ask where you bought it.  ;-)
	

/bruce, I think you are asking for something that is overly complicated,
or at least not the norm for car audio. I've never heard of such a switch.
On my cd head unit, I have to press the "aux" button to accept the tape
player input signal.  There's no microswitch lead or anything like that.
Just like a home receiver. 

Does your head unit have preamp inputs ?  If so be careful with the headphone
outs connecting to those.

/Ken

>    Besides, does anybody even make a three-way unit? (tuner/tape/CD) ?
    
Probably, but none that I can recall.  The most widely used seems to be
the tape deck head unit that can operate a cd changer.

/Ken

back a few... jayjol's CD with 1/4" headphone jack.  Can't be 1/4", no 
portable CD player uses 1/4" anymore (none ever did). Its 1/8" stereo minijack.

>Probably, but none that I can recall.  The most widely used seems to be
>the tape deck head unit that can operate a cd changer.

there are a few tape/tuner/CD player combo units around, but they are
large - double DIN sized opening needed.  Pioneer makes some, and another
manufacturer too.  I was going to get one of these for my Saab, but I don't
have a standard double-DIN hole in the dash when the factory radio/tape is
taken out.  I got a Pioner tape/tuner in the dash, and a Pioneer single-CD
player in the glovebox.  This single-CD player will work only with Pioneer
head units.

 - Josh

	ooops. never was good w/measurements.  ;-)
	
	ur right = 1/8" minijack.
	in technical-speak it would be: the thing on the end of those
	little, tiny headphones.
	
	;-)
	

    dear Uni -
    
    hows come when i'm feverishly typing away I *always* mistype the word
    "and" as "nad" ?????

    I dunno Randy.
    
    Years ago, I gave up and put in my VMS login.com file the following:
    
    	$ MIAL == "MAIL"
    
    Saved me lots of expletives throughout the years.   :-)
    
    	dave

>    Years ago, I gave up and put in my VMS login.com file the following:
>        	$ MIAL == "MAIL"
>    Saved me lots of expletives throughout the years.   :-)

Ya,  I hear you....

I have 'mroe' aliased to more since I type that one wrong all the time...
bob

    well, i'm glad I'm not the only semi-dyslexic in hree, er here...
    
    rbf, er, frb, er, rfb

    re .6527
    
    Because you're right-handed.  The right hand types the "n" while the
    left is still scratching yerself.
    
    Jamie

    scratchin somethin....

nad instead of and.

Finger speed.  I'll guess that all of these errors are 
done by people like me who are fairly adept at touch typing
and reasonably fast typists.  Not necessarily 100 WPM, but
not pecking out the words letter by letter.  All these cases
are conflicts between the two hands.  One beats the other 
to the keys when your zipping along.  I've always wondered
if piano players have this type of problem too, but they
may be more synched with tempo.


Oh, and Randy,  congratulations on that Gold Medal in the 
shot put (or was it the hammer throw).  You sure look a 
bit more muscular than I pictured!

;-)

PeterT

paino playres dont' hav problsme typng, TPEtetrt
yeah, copnragets bfr, nice job at the olipmycs

OW

;-)

But I meant, do they run into the same type of finger race conditions
when playing music on piano or other keyboards?  I realize it is not
strictly analogous, since lots of times you might be playing chords,
but there seems to be some similar finger movement at times.  

Me, I still marvel at the fact that I can produce typo's when using
a pen and paper.  In that case it's usually the mind getting ahead
of the hand.

PeterT

Definitely race conditions...especially if the drummer's got the wrong, too fast
temp goin, it can get tricky, but since I'm not a classically trained pianist,
and considering we have a very good bass player, I don't need to get too 
involved with my left hand, so it's mostly playing octaves of the chord's root,
or fifths...it keeps my attention, fersher

But them there's somethig like Unforgettable by the Coles...we're learning that
for a gb gig, and there's all sortsa piano diddlies, and string sections, so
I'm splitting my synth into sections, trying to play all those parts, strings
on the left, piano diddlies on the right, a sax solo in there too...though it's
not sumthin I'd listen to at home, it's fun to play...fun as in a challenge to
get all those diddlies, string lines right, that's what makes playing a lot of
that music fun, the challenge.

then there's folks like Keith Emerson, who can stand in the middle of a U of
keyboards, playing outrageous parts with both hands, and I wanna give up
playing :)

re              <<< Note 97.6522 by BHAK::LARU "au contraire..." >>>

>    It still works great, so I'd like to  still  use it.
>    And I'm dropping $4500 on a remanufactured engine, so I'm
>    not gonna get a new  super unit real soon. 
 

FOUR THOUSAND FIVE-HUNDRED for an engine???

bruce, you're getting screwed!
4500 is ridiculous!  hope it is not too late to back out.
get a boneyard model for 500 and pay someone 300 to put it in

junk it.
with 4500 bucks, you can buy a toyota that will last 6
yrs and then some.  most i ever paid for cah was 5.5k...
buy 'em 5-6 yrs used, run'em into the ground.  goal is
500/yr for the cah.  
good luck mon!
jc

    I just dumped 3K into my old green 70 Chevy 4x4's engine....thru a 
    friend, too. When it runs good... IT RUNS GOOD!!! still have a problem
    with the carb when it's hot.
    
    rfb
     

re:     "and" as "nad" ?????

	for me it's "fro" vs "for"
	and this classic:
MAIL> re/nsoe
%CLI-W-IVQUAL, unrecognized qualifier - blah blah blah, yada yada yada
	

NE1 ever wonder why the Quaker Oats guy is always smilin'???
This may have been asked before, but I thought I'd ask...

> NE1 ever wonder why the Quaker Oats guy is always smilin'???

  Gets rolled on a regular basis...?        - JayC.

    Dear Universe, can you recommend a good opthamologist?

    And while you're at it can you spell opthimaligyst for me?

    Thanks 

    
    Oh powerful and demanding universe!!!
    
    Since I backpacked hard last weekend I have cancelled my hiking 
    plans for this weekend and am looking for a cozy coastal place to stay 
    in ME, NH or MA?  

>   Dear Universe, can you recommend a good opthamologist?

If this means eye doctor (I can spell it, I just can't remember what
it means :-)  then I'll say that my wife has been happy with the
examinations and service at the...hmmm...what's the name?  Nashoba
Valley Eye Care, perhaps?  It's in the MarketBasket plaza in Westford,
down next to the Dunkin Donuts.

Somebody else in town suggested she try Concord Vision (???), which
is a doctor's practice, not an eyeglass shop.

If you need details, Tom, let me know and I'll query my wife...she's
the one with all the memory in the family.

Dan

    
    Dear Almighty Universe
    
    I have a 2-3 man dome tent manufactured by American Camper.....
    One of the static line poles is split and i want to get a
    replacement...
    I have gone to EMS..        no go
    I have gone to All Outdoors      non
    I have gone to MVP Sports, Sports Authority etc nein
    I have called 1 800 info for the company            nyet
    I was told there is a place in Boston called Tent City....
    IS this my only alternative?
    
    signed
    tentless in manch vegas

    had that happen to me once...  i got more satisfaction
    than i wanted!  :^)   i called the company and complained
    that the pole was wrecked...  they took my name and info 
    and asked if i had gone back to the store...  i said no i
    hadn't yet...  when i got off the phone with the company i 
    went to the store...  the store manager opened another tent
    package, took out the pole and handed it to me...  then a couple
    of days afterwards, a package arrived at my house... the company 
    sent me a replacement pole through the mail!!!!  :^)
    
    and this was from academy broadway... a pretty cheesy, low-end
    manufacturer...  i was impressed...
    
    if you have the measurements for how long the pole is (or is supposed
    to be) then don't bother with a specific manufacturer when you go to
    the store... just ask for a shock corded pole of a certain length...
    that way the won' give you the "we don't carry that line" bit and they
    may just seel you the pole...  if none of the places you mentioned can
    help you, you might try a plce caled Gleason's out by Noho...  they
    should deal with you over the phone with a credit card and mail you a
    replacement...
    
    						da ve

re:   <<< Note 97.6547 by WMOIS::LEBLANCC "All good things in all good time" >>>

>    One of the static line poles is split and i want to get a
>    replacement...

A pole split on a Eureke Wind River dome that I've had for years and
I just duct-taped it.  Worked fine.

>    I was told there is a place in Boston called Tent City....

Hilton's Tent City, great place.  Maybe not your only alternative, but
it's a good one: the Commonwealth Brewing CO is about 100 feet from the place,
which is btw the CBC and the old Boston Garden.   

/Ken

REI in North Reading (2 or 3 exits up Rt. 128 from where 93 intersects)
has various replacement tent poles (shockcorded and regular, I believe).
617-944-5103.  You probably do not need an EXACT replacement, only a pole
of correct length and with correct end-fittings (if any).
They are open till 8 or 9 weeknights.  Great store.  Like EMS only not quite
as expensive. Knowledgable salespersons.  

"Tent City" is Hilton's Tent City.  Its about a block from the old Boston
Garden, on the next street over from the brewery there.

 - Josh

    Gleason's
    let me give them a call da ve
    
    i tried to get a replacement at the retail stores i visited
    they either did not have my size or just didn't carry them
    and American Camper has no 800 number customer line to call
    
    i will try tent city tomorrow and gleasons' if they can't help
    
    thanks dooooood

oh yeah, forgot to add.. the replacement poles at REI are both fiberglass
and aluminum.  They have the end-fittings (ferrules) to make 'em fit together.
They sell the shockcord.  You can make up whatever size you need.

 - Josh

    
    thanks Josh and Ken
    
    REI here i come

> Somebody else in town suggested she try Concord Vision (???), which
> is a doctor's practice, not an eyeglass shop.

I checked with my better half, who says that it is Lexington Eye, with
an office in Concord.

Dan

    Thanks Dan!

Hey Chris LeBlanc,

try this:

 (Lenexa KS) 800-255-6061

for a home page:

http://www.att.net/ads/02556061/607100/index.html

(at the bottom of their ad page it says "minimum order $1000.00" so this must
be a supplier page but try it anyhow...

    Hey Bob Hapgood
    Thanks

LeBlanc: Search for "American Camper" in AltaVista (use the quotes). 
You'll get about 4 or 5 hits, one of which is a place in GA called
Adventure Gear which seems to be an American Camper reseller.  They have
pictures of their tents so you can see if your is listed.

If you don't have Web access let me know.

adam

    where is easynotes.lis?
    
    

Directory HUMANE::DISK$OTHER:[PUBLIC]

EASYNOTES.LIS;507                                   309   4-AUG-1996 20:48:56.00

Total of 1 file, 309 blocks.

    
    Alright, I have a major dweeb question...
    
    I recently switched my KEAterm settings to operate on TELNET instead of
    LAT.  Now, when I bring up notes, vtx, etc...the interface is sloppy. 
    Notes comes up in a scrolling format.  The notes keys don't do what
    their supposed to nor do the vax edit keys.  This never happened when I
    was using the LAT connection.  Even more odd, I bring up the Pathworks
    VT320 emulator and it works fine.  How can I configure KEA to operate
    better?
    

    My hunch is that the problem is not KEA! but is rather something to do
    with the VMS system to which you connect.  
    
    Many UNIX folks complain to VMS system managers that SET TERM/INQUIRE
    and such messes up their terminal emulators so many folks disable this
    in the SYLOGIN.COM for terminals coming in via Telnet.
    
    Try doing a SET TERM/INQUIRE at DCL when you log in and see if things
    work better.  If so, you can put this in your login.com.
    
    	dave
    

Deano,
if that is one of the emulators on w95, then forget it.
i suggest that you run excusion or some such.
jc

	if you're using it at work, and connecting the the LAT works, why
	would you switch to TELNET?
	

                                          
    >Try doing a SET TERM/INQUIRE at DCL when you log in and see if
    >things work better.  If so, you can put this in your login.com.
    
    Bingo!  ...and here I was reconfiguring the whole setup for KEA when it
    wasn't even client related.  Looks good.  Leave it to Grateful noters
    to be alert to this sort of crap.  KEA has to be the best emulator on
    the market.
                                                                        
    Is it safe to put this command in my login?  I also use DECwindows on a 
    VXT terminal...will that command (whatever the hell it does!) screw up
    my DECterm sessions?

    
    Jay, I no longer have an option for LAT connections on the PC.
    
    I used to have a LAT, TCP and DECNET connection, all at once!!!!

	Ahhh.
	i thought you were fixin somethin that wuzint broke.
	

    There is a cool program called SET_TERM_INQUIRE.EXE that works very
    well and even will dynamically size your terminal to the number of
    lines on your emulator (you can have a 50-line KEA terminal, for
    example if you like).  
    
    Copy the file from EZWIND (28.552) as follows:
    
       $ COPY EZWIND::SET_TERM_INQURIRE.EXE SYS$LOGIN:*
    
                     -or-
    
       $ COPY 29224::SET_TERM_INQUIRE.EXE SYS$LOGIN:*
    
    Then, put the following lines at the top of your LOGIN.COM:
    
    $ run sys$login:set_term_inquire
    $ SET TERMINAL/FORM/wrap
    
    Next time you log in, good things should happen!
    
    	dave
    

Deano, another option is to use VT Star, which i think is avail 
on the network

    
    I may have to.  From home I'm using some cheapy Quicklink software that
    came with my nic card for emulation...it's awful.  If VT Star is free,
    I will be very interested in it.

	MKOTS3::USR14:[JOLLIMORE.PUBLIC]MVT32.EXE
	
	is the 32bit, self-extracting version which contains all you need
	to get going.
	
	if you require the 16bit version, see Note 203.0 in
	ONTIME::VTSTAR for a pointer to MVT16.EXE
	

16-bit?
what is that?
:-)


i'm using vt start from my win 95 partition right now at home.
either NT server or WIN 95, vtstar works fine.

jc

>16-bit?
>what is that?
>:-)

	it's for windows 47.5
	
	;-)
	
	

    
    If Microsoft continues to follow the pattern they are....
    
    Windows 2001 will use 550 MB of disk and 32 MB of RAM...a resource
    piglet and then some (as is windows 95).
    
    My opinion on this is, windows 95 should have been more slim and trim
    than windows 3.11 w/DOS.  Someone should call MS and remind them that
    half of the PC users in this country are still using 33MHZ 386's and
    don't have big $$$ for massive upgrades.  This should be visible to
    them in their lack of win 95 sales on the news last night.  HAHA!
    
    Slim, trim and functional...not rushed.

	gotta disagree.
	
	also, if the pattern does continue, disk space will be cheap and
	memory even cheaper.
	
	w95 is a big step ahead of w3.1. more stable, more robust and a
	lot easier to use.
	
	get a real computer, smith.  ;-)
	

    
    I disagree, modern day programming is sophsticated enough to slim
    and trim way beyond this garbage that is currently operating my
    computer.  Seriously, this thing sucks!!!!  I am so distant from the
    hardware with this system there is little, if any control.
    
    I can only connect to one domain at a time, my resources are
    being hogged, it takes a lot of trial and error to configure the
    menu's, the network interface menu's are limited and sloppy, there 
    are annoying icons on my screen that connot be destroyed, the file
    management tool does not display trees, the open application tool bar
    is hogging tons of resources and has little functionality (whatever
    happened to DECwindows v1 where you could expand and contract by
    clicking the icon once per action...ingenious), the tcpip protocol
    configuration is sloppy....I could go on and on.     

Did you ever see the Dilbert cartoon where Dilbert is shrinking back in 
fear from an older bearded type in shorts and birkenstocks?  Something
like  "Oh no! It's a dreaded Unix engineer!"  To which the Unix guru
replies,  "Here's 5 dollars boy.  Go and get yourself a real computer."


Of course, I know I lot of you folks slam Unix.  But I thought it 
was hilarious.


PeterT

    
    I'd even settle for a good unix windows os at this point.
    

>                                  -< Huh??? >-

	my opinion, dood. that's all.
	i don't use w95 at work. i'm stuck with w3.1
	i restart my computer on avg 3 times a day.
	(it's a tandy 486/25 w/16MB)
	it confuses easily.
	i have w95 at home. i find it to be easier to use and more
	reliable. (that's not to say i don't get the equivalent of gpf's)
	i've had none of the problems you mentioned.
	we differ. 
	
	;-)
	

Deano, i have to disagree with you also mon.
Windows 3.1 SUCKS to be quite blunt about it!!!

16-bit addressing is so old it is like driving a model-T on today's
roadways.  furthermore, it is easy to have 1 poorly behaving app take down
the entire system.  it cannot multi-task very well at all compared to W95.
and, it is really limited on what it can do.

JUST as the old cars of the 1930s evolved into today's cars, the operating
system has done the same.  yeah, 3.1 comes on 8 or so floopies, but look
what you get: not much.  3.1 is more for the casual PC user wishing to
balance the checkbook occasionally where as w95 is for the more sophisticated
user wanting to do more. 

give w95 some time to sink in mon.
yup, it takes more resources, but those resources are getting cheaper and
cheaper to acquire.  i bought a 1.3 gb disk for $180 not too long ago, for
example.  and, 16 mb of RAM is now under $100 i believe.  back when 3.1
was the thing to have, 1.3 gb disk was something to drewam about having
in a PC!!  not to mention, 4mb of ram back then was considered a huge
configuration (you probably could not even get a 4mb simm back then, and
now i reckon you get get a 64mb simm!)  w95 is the natural evolution of 
technology;  those who insist that 3.1 is superior to w95 will only be left 
out to dry and technology moves forward.  it is kinda like the model-T
analogy:  imagine if YOU drove that model-T today... it would take you
a few days to get up to the Clifford Ball!  not to mention, only specialty
repair shops would be able to fix a model-T today.  

jc

    I'm planning to build a nice compost heap, but I'm not sure of
    the location.  I've heard that it should be in the shade, but not
    total shade, and that it should get sun, but not total sun.
    
    Anyone know how to orient a compost heap ?  Facing S/N/W/E ?

    Thanks,
    Ken

> 16-bit addressing is so old it is like driving a model-T on today's

Having worked on 64-bit Unix for the last 4 years or so, you know what
I think about even 32-bit addressing?


It looks really really short!


Typical 64 bit address:  0x3ff800d5960  (and yeah, this is only 44 bits worth!)
a full 64bit address:    0x000003ff800d5960
a 32 bit address:        0x800d5960
and 16:                  0x5960

Going from a 64 bit to a 32 bit system, and poking around the address
space just makes me think, hmmm, something looks wrong here!


PeterT

    hey universe!
    
    did barnes ever get that furshlugginer calendar i sent him?

    yes he did...did i forget to thank U????  
    
    rfb

    keep it  up rfb, only 17,465.5 more times and we'll get into
    Guiness BOR!
    
    /b

    rfb,  I think we already qualify to get into  a  Guinness 6!
    
    /b

    [so many questions...  so little  time]
    
    how did leblanc look in his sundress?

    I  have some old but functional  clothing that  I would like
    to donate... but I don't want to drop it  in  one  of  those
    generic boxes, cause I want to eliminate the profit-taking
    middleman (nothing wrong with profit, but not on donated clothing).
    
    Is there a Salvation Army or Goodwill (or other charitable)
    drop-off anywhere in or near Nausea?
    
    /b