Conference lgp30::christian-perspective

    Also see topic 235.
    
    Peace,
    Richard
    

    Yes, I believe there will be an end to all life on earth as we know
    it.  Unless someone gets crazy with deadly nuclear, chemical or biological
    substances, I don't think it will occur in our lifetimes.  If we're not
    careful, we could deplete the earth of enough of its resources that we
    choke ourselves to death.
    
    I think the so-called end-times are not for us to dwell upon too much.
    And I also think far too many do.
    
    Peace,
    Richard
    

 I try not to spend a great deal of time worrying/wondering about it..I have
 friends and loved ones that I'd like to spend eternity in heaven with.  None-
 theless, I believe the evil that is present in the world today in increasing
 intensity, the growing anti-Christian/Bible factions and the increasing 
 complexity of the problems that mankind faces points to the possibility
 that we could indeed be in the end times as prophesied..I believe we
 are, FWIW.





 Jim

well, some say fire, and some say ice.

i think ice is nice, and will suffice.


End times are not a major concern of my theology.
Whatever happens, I have only the present to act in, 
to make good my witness.

Peace,

Jim

	

	Revelation 11:18b says that God will bring to ruin those ruining
	the earth. I have mentioned this before in another note string 
	but cant remember where. Fortunately, this prophecy says those
	ruining rather than those who have ruined it. This century for 
	the first time in history mankind has realised that he is ruining
	the earth, God's intervention will be soon. For his purpose for
	creating the earth is to have it inhabited and not lifeless,
	Isaiah 45:18. 

	Phil.   

re Note 801.5 by RDGENG::YERKESS:

> 	Revelation 11:18b says that God will bring to ruin those ruining
> 	the earth. I have mentioned this before in another note string 
> 	but cant remember where. Fortunately, this prophecy says those
> 	ruining rather than those who have ruined it. This century for 
> 	the first time in history mankind has realised that he is ruining
> 	the earth, God's intervention will be soon. 

        I don't see how it follows that "God's intervention will be
        soon" from the fact that we are finally realizing our
        ability to "ruin the earth".

        In one sense, because of the design of the earth's systems,
        ruin does come to those who ruin the earth -- no special
        intervention on God's part is required. :-}

        Bob

re .6

	Bob,

;        I don't see how it follows that "God's intervention will be
;        soon" from the fact that we are finally realizing our
;        ability to "ruin the earth".

	True, I mean't from the perspective that man can foresee the earth
	in a ruined state in the none to distant future because of his current 
	actions. This prophecy shows that God's intervention will happen 
	during the time period when man is ruining the earth, the question is 
	how much longer can man go on before his actions would bring the 
	earth into a ruined state?. God foresaw man ruining the earth and 
	promised  to step before it is ruined, quite an amazing prophecy as 
	we are seeing the first part being fulfilled in our day.

	I agree with you that disasters will increase as man continues to
	ruin the earth. Through disasters many people will loose their
	lives, but God's Word does tell us that he will intervene. If
	he foresaw the events that we see now, then we can also accept
	and recognise that, through his wisdom, he will intervene. That
	is bring to ruin those ruining the earth.

	Phil.

    This is the seventh trumpet judgement of Revelation.  I don't believe
    this solely addresses the abuse of the earth's environment.  In fact,
    this judgement consists of the seven bowl judgements and came about due
    to rebellion toward the Alpha and the Omega.  This is the primary
    purpose of these judgements.
    
    -Jack

    Jack, it's a little thing, I know, but judgment is spelled like this.
                                           ^^^^^^^^
    
    Shalom,
    Richard

    .8  The Revelation of St. John the Divine is a mysterious little
    book, deliberately codified to shield its meanings from Christianity's
    early enemies.  Much of its original symbolism is now lost, yet there
    is an endless variety of possible interpretations.  The Revelation was
    written to strengthen and comfort early Christians living under persecution.
    
    Shalom,
    Richard
    

Re: .10 Richard

>    Jack, it's a little thing, I know, but judgment is spelled like this.
                                           ^^^^^^^^
    
According to the American Heritage Dictionary, either spelling is correct.

				-- Bob

    .12  Ulp!!  What'll I do now?  I've no pet peeve to replace this
    with!
    
    Hey!  Maybe ending a sentence with a preposition?!  8-}
    
    Peace,
    Richard

RE .8

	Jack,

	I would have to agree with what you wrote in your last reply. Today,
	human soceity is being ruined, we see an increase in lawlessness 
	culminating in violence. The account of the flood is similar to
	Revelation in that God brought to ruin those ruining the earth. 
	For example Genesis 6:11-13 RSV reads "Now the earth was corrupt 
	in God's sight, and the earth was filled with violence. And God saw 
	the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted 
	their way upon the earth. And God said to Noah, 'I have determined to 
	make and end of all flesh; for the earth is filled with violence 
	through them; behold, I will destroy them with the earth.' No doubt
	you know the account of Noah and the Ark, and Peter said that this 
	would be a pattern for ungodly persons of things to come (2 Peter 2:6). 
	What did happen?, the earth or human soceity back then had become 
	corrupt, violence was everywhere, God saw this and decided that enough 
	was enough. By bringing the flood, he brought to ruin those ruining 
	the earth or human soceity. Faithful Noah and his family were not 
	destroyed, Jehovah had ensured that they were saved from the flood. 
	The literal earth to was not destroyed, but the wicked human soceity was.

	Those ruining the earth (literal and human soceity) today, picture
	well the corrupt and greedy persons who exploit for their own 
	personal gain, having no concern for their Grand Creator or His
	creation.

	Phil.