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Title:Discussions from a Christian Perspective
Notice:Prostitutes and tax collectors welcome!
Moderator:CSC32::J_CHRISTIE
Created:Mon Sep 17 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1362
Total number of notes:61362

1012.0. "Political correctness" by GRIM::MESSENGER (Bob Messenger) Wed Nov 30 1994 14:45

There have been a lot of notes posted in C-P about "political correctness",
but until now no one has written a base note about it.  So here it is:
here's your chance to laugh at the excesses of the looney left.  And
remember: extremism in the defense of political correctness is no vice.

This base note is inspired by John Leo's column in today's Nashua Telegraph:

	       Fear not, political correctness is still here

	  Political correctness isn't over.  PC people have just decided
	to lower their profiles, so we won't point and laugh so much.
	Still, they can't help themselves:  Perfume is oppression?
	Beethoven's music is rape?  Apes and humans are equals?  What?

			  Get the chimp a lawyer

	  Apes and humans are equals, and they make up a moral community,
	according to "A Declaration on Great Apes" in the book "The Great
	Ape Project" edited by animal liberationists Paola Cavalieri and
	Peter Singer.  While moral concerns may not be actively expressed
	by chimpanzees, gorillas and orangutans, the editors say these
	animals are an oppressed group with the right not to be imprisoned
	without due process.

		       Get your face out of my nose

	  Is perfume a form of nasal oppression?  Yes, and cologne and
	many deodorants too, because the oppressors who wear them make us
	smell things we might not want to smell.
	  The olfactory-rights movement is far along in its struggle to
	subdue the menace of artifically enhanced body odor.  In
	California, Santa Cruz has a "fragrance-free environment"
	ordinance, and Citizens for a Toxic-Free Marin (County) is pushing
	for scent-free access to all public areas.  San Fransisco and
	Oakland bar "heavy" perfume wearers from public meetings.  The
	University of Minnesota School of Social Work prohibited its 250
	students from wearing cologne or perfume....

			    Suing the good book

	  A Mississippi man sued the Bible, asking $45 million in damages
	from Oxford University Press, among others, on grounds that the
	book is hearsay that oppresses blacks and homosexuals.  He later
	dropped the suit for lack of funds.

		       Ludwig and Isaac are rapists

	  * Following the line of thought that science is a male rape of
	female nature, Sandra Harding of the University of Delaware
	describes Isaac Newton's Principia Mathematica as "Newton's rape
	manual."

	  * Susan McClary, who applies feminist theory to music, writes of
	"the phallic violence" and the "assaultive pelvic pounding" of
	Western classical music, and sees in Beethoven's Ninth Symphony
	the "throttling murderous rage of a rapist incapable of attaining
	release."  ...

			      More syndromes

	  * "Adopted child syndrome" was cited in defense of Joel Rifkin,
	who admitted killing 17 prostitutes on Long Island.

	  * A lawyer for a Fort Worth, Texas, teen-ager who shot two
	unarmed men pointed to "urban survival syndrome" (the fear black
	people have of other inner-city blacks)....

			    Jesus was a gay guy

	  "Jesus of Nazareth lived with 11 other men.  They slept
	together, loved each other, kissed and embraced.  There was one,
	the Beloved disciple John, whom Jesus especially loved." - Chicago
	handout, signed: Queer Nation.

			     Jesus was a woman

	  The woman's studies department of St. Louis University put up a
	poster of "Christa," a big-breasted female Jesus hanging on the
	cross.  Judith Gibbons, the department director, said the poster
	was necessary because "the Christian image of Jesus on the cross
	is always male".
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1012.1FRETZ::HEISERGrace changes everythingWed Nov 30 1994 14:5028
    A church has been designed to reach the politically correct people of
    this day.  These are the hyperscrupulous folks who are offended by the
    mere hint of offending anyone.  These may seem stupid but they are
    "differently sensible" to be PC.
    
    The pastor's first challenge at the Theologically Correct Church was
    the Bible - that is a large stumbling block to his target audience.
    
    Which Bible would they use?  The "Holy Bible" offended the unholy 
    (differently holy).  The "Good News Bible" bothered the joy-challenged.
    The "Living Bible" insulted everyone's "breathing-impaired foreparents."
    
    He created a PC glossary for biblical items.
    
    Satan            - 	  a divinity-impaired being.
    Sin              - 	  non-traditional morality.
    Peter's denial   -	  allegience-impaired action.
    Anti-Christ      -    alternative leader.
    7 deadly sins    -	  7 life-challengin habits
    pride            - 	  state of being humility challenged
    greed            -	  materialistic nonadjustment
    anger            -	  momentary patience impairment
    adultery         -	  sexual exploration by the alternatively committed
    heretic          -	  the truth inconvenienced
    unbeliever       -    trust-impaired seeker
    backslidden      -    temporarily faith deficient
    spiritually dead -	  eternal-life challenged
    10 Commandments  -    10 Suggestions    
1012.2AIMHI::JMARTINBarney IS NOT a nerd!!Wed Nov 30 1994 14:597
    Get that...Quotas for the cross.  That is extremely humerous. 
    Hey...let's give women equal time as savior...why not?
    
    Seriously though, I am becoming horizontally challenged and was
    wondering if anybody had any suggestions other than diet pills.
    
    -Jack
1012.3CSC32::J_CHRISTIEUnquenchable fireSun Feb 05 1995 12:5111
								STATUS:

Jocelyn Elders		Insufficiently Conservative PC		Discharged

Smithsonian
Enola Gay exhibit	Insufficiently Conservative PC		Squelched


PBS			Insufficiently Conservative PC		Threatened


1012.4LGP30::FLEISCHERwithout vision the people perish (DTN 297-5780, MRO3-3/L16)Mon Feb 06 1995 13:098
re Note 1012.3 by CSC32::J_CHRISTIE:

        Yes, the only thing new about contemporary political
        correctness is that (some of) it is *liberal* -- "incorrect"
        ways of talking, thinking, and inquiring have *always* been
        the targets of traditionalists.

        Bob
1012.5(from one who shares the curse)LGP30::FLEISCHERwithout vision the people perish (DTN 297-5780, MRO3-3/L16)Mon Feb 06 1995 13:108
re Note 1012.2 by AIMHI::JMARTIN:

>     Seriously though, I am becoming horizontally challenged and was
>     wondering if anybody had any suggestions other than diet pills.
  
        Abstinence?

        Bob
1012.6MKOTS3::JMARTINYou-Had-Forty-Years!!!Mon Feb 06 1995 14:0818
    Bob:
    
    I've lost the weight! :-)
    
    Jocelyn Elders crossed the line of wanting to teach morality in the
    schools which is something the ACLU has been lobbying against for
    years. 
    
    I don't understand this clearly but the Enola Gay issue at the
    Smithsonian.  Wasn't that riff over the simplifying of American intent
    in Japan and conveyed the message that the Japanese were victims and
    the Americans were brutal savages?
    
    Cutting of funding for PBS has been removed.  PBS continues however to
    villify white males and sometimes crosses the line with liberal
    viewing.  
    
    -Jack
1012.7APACHE::MYERSMon Feb 06 1995 14:2813
    When all discussion degrades to the point of self-vicimization, where
    each side claims to be a victim of the other's political correctness
    assaults, we are left with not a discussion, but a series of whines.
    What I fear is all constructive discussion will be squelched, because
    we have chosen to dismiss all opposing views out of hand as being
    merely "politically correct" assertions on the part of the other side.

    The extremes of political correctness, whether liberal or conservative,
    are attempts to deny the reality of situations and a free forum for the
    exchange of ideas. It's purpose is to coerce consensus and not to
    promote discussion. 
    
    	Eric
1012.8Opponents had opportunityCSC32::J_CHRISTIEUnquenchable fireMon Feb 06 1995 17:1317
Note 1012.6

MKOTS3::JMARTIN "You-Had-Forty-Years!!!"

>    Jocelyn Elders crossed the line of wanting to teach morality in the
>    schools which is something the ACLU has been lobbying against for
>    years.

I take it this is your interpretation of Elders' being a proponent of
making contraceptives available to students.

In an outspoken response to such accusations from what she termed the
'unChristian Right,' Elders said something amusingly close to your
current p_n ("You-Had-Forty-Years!!!").

Richard

1012.9MKOTS3::JMARTINYou-Had-Forty-Years!!!Mon Feb 06 1995 17:388
    Well, Jocelyn was wrong.  The conservative movement was held at
    gunpoint for years and still is in the public schools.  The ACLU et al
    set the prescedent in the public school system throughout the last 30
    years and was wholeheartedly backed up by the teachers unions.  I don't
    think the local clergy would be allowed to go in there and give
    seminars of the value of abstinence!
    
    -Jack
1012.10CSC32::J_CHRISTIEUnquenchable fireMon Feb 06 1995 17:5013
    .9
    
    Well, I went to school.  Clergy frequently spoke in my classes,
    especially the ones conservatives called superfluous, like my
    Human Relations class in high school (Phoenix, Arizona).
    
    So I don't believe your hyperbole about being held at gunpoint.
    
    Besides, not all education takes place in school.
    
    Shalom,
    Richard
    
1012.11MKOTS3::JMARTINYou-Had-Forty-Years!!!Mon Feb 06 1995 18:131
    Noted!
1012.12CSC32::J_CHRISTIEUnquenchable fireTue Feb 07 1995 01:258
    .4 & .5
    
    Sometimes the things you say really tickle me, Bob!  Have you always
    been so understated?
    
    Shalom,
    Richard
    
1012.13CSC32::J_CHRISTIEUnquenchable fireTue Feb 07 1995 01:267
    .7
    
    Good point, Eric.  I'll try to watch myself.
    
    Shalom,
    Richard
    
1012.14Did our Congress really do that?CSC32::J_CHRISTIEUnquenchable fireThu Feb 09 1995 22:146
    Any truth to the rumor I heard yesterday that our Republican-controlled
    Congress voted down the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution?
    
    Shalom,
    Richard
    
1012.15MKOTS3::JMARTINYou-Had-Forty-Years!!!Fri Feb 10 1995 12:597
    To my knowledge...no.  The only recent time I recall this happening is 
    when Bill Clinton willfully annulled the 4th ammendment by allowing
    illegal search and seizures in the housing projects of Chicago a few
    years back.  Something about it being for the good of the people or
    some such!
    
    -Jack
1012.16GRIM::MESSENGERBob MessengerFri Feb 10 1995 13:0611
I think this happened when the Republicans introduced a bill to allow
evidence to be admissible in court even if it was obtained using a
defective search warrant, as long as the police acted in good faith
believing the warrant was valid.  The Democrats offered an an amendment to
substitute the bill with the text of the 4th Amendment, and the
Republicans voted down the amendment.

So in a sense you could say that the Republicans voted against the 4th
Amendment.

				-- Bob
1012.17TINCUP::BITTROLFFCreator of Buzzword Compliant SystemsFri Feb 10 1995 13:106
.16 GRIM::MESSENGER "Bob Messenger"

Correct. Although the RICO laws have made the 4th amendment pretty much moot for
quite some time now.

Steve
1012.18CSC32::J_CHRISTIEUnquenchable fireFri Feb 10 1995 13:135
    .16  Yes, that sounds like it.  Thanks.
    
    Shalom,
    Richard