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| 1194.1 | | CSC32::M_EVANS | cuddly as a cactus | Tue Dec 19 1995 02:02 | 7 |
| Richard,
nothing, as long as you all follow mine.
;-)/2
meg
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| 1194.2 | | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | I press on toward the goal | Tue Dec 19 1995 17:29 | 8 |
| We are all called to likemindedness, but at the same time, faith is not
like bipartisan politics where you should compromise...in other words,
if we're in a room and I love vanilla ice cream..and you love chocolate
ice cream, it seems illogical to try and come to a compromise on this.
You either love it, or you don't love it. You either believe it, or
you don't believe it.
-Jack
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| 1194.3 | | APACHE::MYERS | He literally meant it figuratively | Tue Dec 19 1995 17:54 | 7 |
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> What's wrong with thinking everyone should share identical beliefs?
It depends on the beliefs. Jim Dornan and Phil Gramm hold beliefs that
I'm glad are not shared by everyone.
Eric
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| 1194.4 | | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | I press on toward the goal | Tue Dec 19 1995 19:23 | 4 |
| I can understand Dornan but not Gramm. What specifically is his
beliefs that are happily not shared?
-Jack
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| 1194.5 | | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Ps. 85.10 | Tue Dec 19 1995 23:06 | 8 |
| .4
Mind if we stay with the topic for awhile before getting into yet
another political exchange?
Shalom,
Richard
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| 1194.6 | | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | I press on toward the goal | Wed Dec 20 1995 12:51 | 1 |
| Ooohhhhhh Alllright! (kicking a stone)
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| 1194.7 | | APACHE::MYERS | He literally meant it figuratively | Wed Dec 20 1995 13:23 | 3 |
| Sorry. It was my fault for using politicians in my example.
Eric
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| 1194.8 | | APACHE::MYERS | He literally meant it figuratively | Wed Dec 20 1995 13:29 | 7 |
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There is a difference between all coming to believe the same thing and
all being coerced into believing the same thing. I guess I don't have a
problem with everyone believing the same thing, as long as beliefs are
not dictated.
Eric
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| 1194.10 | | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | I press on toward the goal | Thu Dec 28 1995 17:24 | 20 |
| Z I question the notion that all share identical beliefs is even
Z desirable.
Z Uniformity does exert power, admittedly. But at what expense?
If I may briefly digress into politics mode, neutral if possible.
I have recently seen in the media alot of accusations of whining
between the two parties in D.C. I couldn't disagree more. I believe
the core of the system down there is set up for debate and I believe
the current stalemate on the budget impasse is a great testimony of
democracy. So in your question above, I believe uniformity can have a
great price to it!
In regards to faith, if there is likemindedness on that which is
right, then it is very desireable...why wouldn't it be? However, I see
differences to be good as well since it promotes study and challenge.
-Jack
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| 1194.11 | truth | NETRIX::"dowis_c@stympy.alf.dec.com" | charles dowis | Thu Dec 28 1995 19:17 | 33 |
| For everyone to have the same belief....hmmm.
This would imply:
1. There is a true religion.
2. There is a way to test and prove that it is true.
3. Everyone wants to know the truth.
1. The Bible teaches us "one Lord, one faith, one baptism". Many Christian churches
teach that there is only one true doctrine -- that Christ was th Son of God and
he died on the cross for our sins, and we must accept him for our Savior to be
saved. All other doctrines are unnecessary. Some churches believe they
hold the complete truth include: the Catholic Church, the Jehovah Witnesses, and
the LDS Church.
2. Some churches teach that you receive the truth by studying the Bible, and
having faith in it. Others teach that a person can have a personal witness/
revelation through the Holy Ghost. Others believe that God reveals himself thru the
intellect of man as he/she studies and interprets the Bible (usually with the
"proper education" in a seminary)
3. Like the rich man who refused to give his wealth to the poor in order to
receive eternal life, many refuse to consider sacrificing the things of this life in order
to receive the riches of eternity. They express a desire to find the truth,
but, in reality, are unwilling to make the effort. They relationalize
that truth is relative to individual circumstances, OR that it is
impossible to find it, "so why bother?" They worship idols of their own making:
money, intellectual sophistry, etc.
Somehow truth must "pleasing to the eyes and the intellect", it should be had for
little cost, and not be inconvenient. Little or no sacrifices should be
involved == "once saved, always saved" would be a possible example.
[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]
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| 1194.9 | Edited and re-entered | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Ps. 85.10 | Thu Dec 28 1995 19:25 | 12 |
| .0
Former C-P member and friend Jerry Beeler used to say that when everyone
is thinking the same, no one is thinking.
I question the notion that having all share identical beliefs is even desirable.
Uniformity does exert power, admittedly. But at what expense?
Shalom,
Richard
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| 1194.12 | God leads his servants in the ways of truth | RDGENG::YERKESS | bring me sunshine in your smile | Tue Jan 02 1996 12:22 | 17 |
| re .11
Charles,
As a Jehovah's Witness I would like to correct something you wrote.
That is Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe they hold what you term
the complete truth, however they believe God's Word is truth
(John 17:17). That is it's contents are truth, letting us know what
is God's will and purpose. As time progresses we believe that God
will shed more light or understanding to his servants on His Word
(compare Proverbs 4:18). The fruit one bears will prove whether or
not one is serving God or not. (Matthew 7:17-21). Those that have
God's Word and yet ignore His will are like ones groping around in
darkness, they will never come to an accurate knowledge of truth.
Phil.
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