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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 29 1994
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Number of topics:2852
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445.0. "Recording effects ?" by ADVAX::T_ROBERT () Tue Jul 29 1986 17:00

    
    
    	(I'm just full of questions this month)
    
    	I decided on my 4-track, I'm going with the Tascam 244.
    	E.U. Wurlitzer is having a sale on them for $795.  They
    	regularly sell them for $1050.  Is this a good buy ?
    	
    	Out of curiousity, does the Yamaha MT1 run at both double
    	cassette speed and regular ?  The Tascam only runs at double.
    	The only problem is that I have a lot of material done with
    	a 4-track at normal speed, so would all be lost ?  Who ever
    	answers this, do you know who carrys the MT1s ?
    
    
    	Getting to questioned intended...  I don't have any effects
    	what so ever (except for an old flanger) I was wondering what
    	was out there that might give me a few good needed effects for
    	recording at a reasonable price.  Since I went with the more
    	expensive 4-track, reasonable is around $300 - $400.  Just the
    	common effects like reverb and chorus, etc.  Or anything else
    	I could get reasonably cheap. 
    
    	Thanks for any help...
    
    -Dr. Feelgood.
    
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445.1Jeez, do you ask questions!!!! ;^)JAWS::COTEHow many people in your quartet?Tue Jul 29 1986 17:098
    Effects? Let me say MIDIVERB before someone else does. Right in
    your $$ range.
    
    MT1? 1:1 speed only. (I think that's right). Check Kurlan's in
    Worcester, (not a recommendation, just a pointer). They are an
    authorized Yamadealer.
    
    Edd
445.2Did I Get the 6 and the 4 in the right Places?ERLANG::FEHSKENSTue Jul 29 1986 17:5816
    I'll second Edd's suggestion.  The most useful first effect is a
    reverb, and the most reverb for the buck is the Alesis MIDIVerb.
    
    Tascam 244s are being "remaindered" as they've been superseded by
    by the 246 (6 input channels instead of 4).  <$800 is a good price
    for the functionality, but if you want to play the "how long can
    I wait before they're all gone" game you might see the price drop
    further.  You won't be able to touch a 246 for less than $1200.
    
    The double normal speed on the Tascam is worth another 3 db of S/N,
    and lower flutter.  However it means a C60 lasts 15 minutes, a C90
    22.5 minutes.  For me, the tradeoff (time for S/N) is worth it,
    as cassette tape is fairly cheap, and S/N once lost is gone forever.
    
    len.
    
445.3APOLLO::DEHAHNTue Jul 29 1986 18:2013
    
    If you're willing to accept the shortcomings of buying out of state,
    then call Eastcoast Sound in Danbury CT. Ask for Morgan Pettinato,
    president. They ship COD in less than 2 days. I never go to 48th
    street anymore.
    
    You might also check out the new line from DigiTech.
    
    East Coast Sound, 203-748-2799.
    
    Chris
    
    
445.4walk a block, save fifty bucksUNCLE::GEORGETue Jul 29 1986 19:455
    LaSalle's had an ad in the Phoenix this weekend advertising the
    244 for $699.  Lots of Roland, Yamaha, and Shure (SM58 @ $99) stuff,
    too.

    Dave    
445.5And you thought 50 min. records were bad!PHUBAR::WELLSneolith (or is that neophyte?)...Tue Jul 29 1986 21:196
    re .2
    
    Does the 246 just allow 6 inputs mixed to 4 tracks or are there
    6 tracks *squeezed* on to a cassette?
    
    Richard
445.66 to 4HSKIS2::LEHTINENTimo Lehtinen, CSC HelsinkiWed Jul 30 1986 05:397
    It allow 6 inputs to be mixed to 4 trk. Also any input can be	
    patched to any trk or all to one. It can also record all 4 tracks
    in one pass, which I wouldn't pay for though. Apart from these 
    the 246 has a few other enchancements. You might want to check
    that too at least for a reference. I'm thinking of buying this.
    
    Timo
445.7Can't Help But AgreeMINDER::KENTWed Jul 30 1986 07:3812
    I have used a 244 recently and I think you have made the right choice.
    The main difference between it and the more budget based machines
    is the tape speed (although I can't see why a faster speed would
    cost more money) and parametric E.Q. on the input channels. As I
    said earlier I currently use a 144 which is the old model. If you
    want to listen to what you can do with one of these, the resuts are
    on commusic 1.                                      
    I also have a MIDIVERB and don't know how I ever lived without it.
    
    				       PAUL.
    
    
445.8reverb/compressor/delaySSDEVO::MCCOLLUMWed Jul 30 1986 15:3716
    I have a 244 which I paid about $650 for in "used, excellent"
    condition, so the current prices sound real good to me.
    
    For effects, I agree with everyone else that a reverb is a high
    priority. I have a Yamaha R-1000 (now discontinued) that I'm real
    happy with.
    For recording, I've found that a decent compressor/limiter is real
    handy. It's especially useful for recording bass and drums, where
    there is lots of dynamic range. And, in general, it's a good tool
    for recording "undisciplined" performers who don't understand the
    realities of tape headroom.
    My third choice for gadgets is a digital delay. I have a Roland
    SDE-1000.
    
    Peter M
    
445.9CANYON::MOELLERThe hundredth monkey...Wed Jul 30 1986 16:3812
    Ibanez made/makes a nice series of rackmount Multieffects units.
    I have a 5 yearold unit with compressor/limiter, stereo chorus,
    parametric eq, and a crappy analog delay (3Khz range). I've seen
    these units with different modules like a distortion/overdrive,
    etc. for guitarists. 
    
    This particular unit is happiest with mic level signal but will
    accept line level if you're gentle. Don't forget that effects can
    be used during the original recording or during mixdown as a production
    effect. If you do it during recording then your options are limited.
    
    karl moeller
445.10I love hooking up 2 distortion pedalsFASDER::AHERBThu Jan 17 1991 02:413
    After reading these notes for about a hour Im relizing that everybody
    hear (95%) plays keyboard.. Is there a area for guitar players?
    
445.11Guitar ConferenceMALLET::BARKERPretty Damn CosmicThu Jan 17 1991 11:338
re .10

>    After reading these notes for about a hour Im relizing that everybody
>    hear (95%) plays keyboard.. Is there a area for guitar players?
    
Try CVG::GUITAR or use KP7 to add it to your notebook.

Nigel
445.12Effects - YesCSC32::MOLLERWhere's my bug swatter??Thu Jan 17 1991 15:3811
	I'm also a guitar player who dabbles extensively with MIDI synth
	gear. I use as many as 4 distortion boxes at a time & regularly
	play with at least 2. Sometimes you can use guitar stomp box
	effects to manupulate the results from a synth in a manner that
	you could never program into your synth gear. If you have a pre-
	defined sample player (like a U-110/U-220) you can really have
	fun with the guitar sounds (who can use a whammy bar to slide up
	an octave?? And still be in tune when you release??). Signal
	processing expands on your sounds and uniqueness. 

								Jens
445.13yeahFASDER::AHERBSun Feb 03 1991 02:402
    I wanted to get a MIDI guitar but didnt have a $1000