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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Moderator:DYPSS1::SCHAFER
Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 29 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2852
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1850.0. "Kawai Q80 Hardware Sequencer" by HAMER::COCCOLI () Tue Jan 10 1989 15:38

        Anyone got one/used one/seen one?
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1850.1...does this count?NRPUR::DEATONTue Jan 10 1989 15:443
	I have a brochure for the unit.


1850.2yup!HAMER::COCCOLITue Jan 10 1989 18:003
    Sure does!  How much ram/songs/parts.....
    				Ize be appreciating it
    					Rich
1850.3see kbNORGE::CHADTue Jan 10 1989 20:056
Check out Keyboard mag dec or jan issue for a review.  Basically it
was said to be real powerful but made by engineers for engineers if you
no what ize means.

chad
1850.4some specsNRPUR::DEATONTue Jan 10 1989 20:2117
	26,000 notes,
	up to 320 tracks,
	up to 10 songs (up to 32 tracks per song, up to 15,000 per song)
	Tempo track (for adjusting tempo within song)
	Single event editing
	Motif function (simliar to QX-5's macro - callable sequences)
	Can file System exclusives
	Uses 3.5" disks (112 songs/150,000 notes per disk)
	96 ppq
	40-250 bpm
	Tape sync or MIDI (includes song pointer)
	MIDI Monitor function
	Assignable punch-in/out
	Real time recording
	Step Time recording (controls for ties, rest, gate time and velocity)
	Dimensions: 390(W) X 232(D) X 68(H)mm/15.5(W) X 9.2(D) X 2.6(H) inches
	Weight: 2.2 kg/4.9 lbs. (without AC Adapter)
1850.5Price?DRUMS::FEHSKENSTue Jan 10 1989 20:2918
    how much $?  Sounds like an MC-500 mk II.  If it's <$1500, it would
    be a real deal.
    
    MC-500 mk II has more notes onboard (100000), but only 8 tracks.
    Only 8 songs.
    
    Also has drum machine style rhythm track (240 patterns, 999 bars),
    and a little more tempo range.  Same resolution, many similar features,
    although MC-500 mk II (actually S-MRC software) has editing features
    out the gazoo.
    
    Is the Kawai booted from disk, or is program stored in ROM?  MC-500
    can run other applications.
    
    And, is the manual intelligible?
    
    len (MC-500-less MC-500 owner)
    
1850.6You could buy 2!WEFXEM::COTEDon't let the door hit ya, Mike...Tue Jan 10 1989 23:295
    $795 list.
    
    ...appears to boot from ROM. No mention of rhythm track.
    
    Edd
1850.7lessHAMER::COCCOLIWed Jan 11 1989 11:082
    I've seen one for $695 at Music Workshop in N.H.
             I lust for it.........
1850.8Cute But InscrutableDRUMS::FEHSKENSWed Jan 11 1989 13:3612
    I read the review in Keyboard last night.  I'll hang onto my MC-500.
    
    They say it's neat, but the user interface is a disaster, and the
    manual is even worse.  A new manual is in the works, but the user
    interface (which apparently requires a *lot* of in-the-right-order
    button pushing) will not change.
    
    I'm surprised they make such a big deal about the tempo track -
    the MC-500 has had this for two years...
    
    len.
    
1850.9... and MTP has had it for at least 3 ... ;-}DYO780::SCHAFERBrad - back in Ohio.Wed Jan 11 1989 14:220
1850.10memory refresh...HPSMEG::LEITZde gener itWed Jan 11 1989 16:134
This was one of the products we saw demo'd at the last Wurlygig with
the K1. A great combination for a nouveau user sans beaucoup bucks.
    Both K1 and Q80 for $1200 from Wurly.
1850.11chokeHAMER::COCCOLIThu Jan 12 1989 16:024
    Well , personally I don't have the bucks for an MC500XX but it would
    be nice to have a disc based Sequencer, since I'm presently using
    an MTT8 and NEED something for live 2 man gigs.
    		Whats a PG100?(roland)?		
1850.12Not a skwencer...WEFXEM::COTEDon't let the door hit ya, Mike...Thu Jan 12 1989 16:033
    PG-100 is a programmer unit for some Roland synth(s)...
    
    Edd
1850.13Other Roland SequencersDRUMS::FEHSKENSThu Jan 12 1989 16:5329
    The PG-100 is a programmer for the little D-series synths.
    
    Note that Roland makes a couple of other sequencers that cost less
    than an MC-500 Mk II.  I don't have prices handy, but I do know
    the model numbers:
    
    	PR-100
    
    	MC-300 (cost reduced MC-500)
    	MC-500 (discontinued but still available at heavy discount;
    		i.e., you can get one for < $900)
    
    Both the MC-300 and MC-500 will run the S-MRC software, but with
    some limitations due to memory capacity.  The main effect is it
    has to go to disk for a lot of code, so some editing operations
    are slower than an MC-500 Mk II.
    
    There may be a catch-22 in this if you have any MC-500 MRC data that
    you want to convert; the S-MRC software can do the conversion, but
    there's not enough memory in an MC-300 or MC-500 to hold any but
    the smallest tunes, so you get an error.  If you don't have any
    MRC data you want to carry to the S-MRC environment, this is not
    an issue.
    
    The PR-100 is a different beast.  I don't know anything about it.
    
    len.
     
    
1850.14There's gotta be info on it somewhere around here...NRPUR::DEATONThu Jan 12 1989 17:387
RE< Note 1850.11 by HAMER::COCCOLI >

	Try checking into the MIDI DJ.  It's great for live performances if you
can get by the big zit on its forhead (no MIDI echo thru).

	Dan

1850.15Oh no! Another tangent.DYO780::SCHAFERBrad - back in Ohio.Thu Jan 12 1989 18:5315
>PR100

    The PR100 is quite limited in terms of functionality.  There's another
    topic in here somewhere dealing with it, I'm sure ... but I can't find
    it.  8-( 

>MIDI DJ

    They are no longer in production.  A fellow I know tried to get one and
    called INDUS ... they have discontinued them, although they "might come
    out with a new improved version in a few months".  Right. 

    Anyway, the MIDI DJ note is 690.

-b
1850.16NRPUR::DEATONThu Jan 12 1989 19:3513
RE < Note 1850.15 by DYO780::SCHAFER "Brad - back in Ohio." >

>>MIDI DJ
>
>    They are no longer in production.  

	Well, they can still be had, both used and stock leftovers in various 
stores.

	Thanks for the note pointer.

	Dan

1850.17pr100HAMER::COCCOLIjust say nyetMon Jan 16 1989 22:195
    I meant the Pr-100...but it came out PG...
    Saw one at LaSalle for $290...seemed reasonable for something with
    a disk drive...even if its a QD.
      I can't find any notes on it either.......
     
1850.18There *is* information about it somewhere 'round here...NRPUR::DEATONTue Jan 17 1989 12:156
RE < Note 1850.17 by HAMER::COCCOLI "just say nyet" >

	Remember, the PR-100 will ONLY record in real time - no step entry.

	Dan

1850.19HAMER::COCCOLIjust say nyetWed Jan 18 1989 00:222
    Thats ok Dan...I don't need step time since I don't make mistakes.
    					humble_rich
1850.20only kidding!HAMER::COCCOLIblinded by scienceTue Jan 24 1989 22:492
       Actually, I use an MMT-8 right now and the only way to really
    use this beast is in real time.
1850.21Q80 update available???FIVER::ALLISONWed Jan 31 1990 11:289
    The last note on this topic is over a year old.....
    
    Can anyone provide an update on this m/c?
    
    I am in the market for a sequencer and based on the previous replies
    this one looks promising. However I am wondering why the year without
    a note?
    
    ...Sean    
1850.22...GLOWS::COCCOLIThela Hun GingeetThu Feb 01 1990 01:4921
    
    
      Probably because no one in this conference has bought one yet,
    being all MC500 and MMT8 diehards.
    
       I checked it out. It uses the type of sequencing found on the
    MMT8, parts linked together into a song. A more memory efficient
    was of sequencing, IMHO. *^].
       A possible drawback is it boots from rom, therefore the software
    is not upgradable( with the exception of changing the rom).
       A plus is you can plug it in, turn it on, and wail, as the songs
    are still in memory.
       For someone who can't (or won't) crank out >$1000 for a hardware
    based sequencer but won't settle for something without a built-in
    disk drive and tempo changes, the Q80 delivers a lot for approx
    $580.00 (actual quoted mail-order price).
    
                                            Rich Illhaveoneeventually