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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 29 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2852
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1512.0. "Pitch-to-MIDI ... Is it still lousy?" by MARKER::BUCKLEY (its MIDI 4 me) Wed Jul 06 1988 18:34

    
    Can anybody tell me what's the latest word on pitch-to-MIDI converters?
    Reason I ask is I'm looking to get into guitar synthesis. I already
    have the Synth picked out, I just need info on a controller/converter.
    Have there been any great advances in pitch-to-MIDI type devices,
    or any rumors of better things coming down the road??
    
    Any info/insight welcomed and appreciated!
    
    wjb
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1512.1Beetle QuantarFGVAXZ::MASHIACrescent City KidWed Jul 06 1988 21:5548
    Well, the latest thing in guitar controllers *isn't* pitch-to-midi.
    It seems that no matter what, it takes a certain amount of time
    for the electronics to figure out what the fundamental pitch is
    of the vibrating guitar string.
    
    In the current issue (July) of Music Technology, there's an article
    on the Beetle Quantar Midi Guitar Controller.
    
    Some quotes:

    "The Quantar is a dedicated MIDI controller that is built entirely
    into a Strat-type guitar - no additional boxes or converters are
    required [sic] ...it tracked amazingly well and responded to all
    playing styles (except harmonics) accurately, including muting and
    damping.
    
    "Instead of using a passive system like like the pitch to midi
    conversion technology used in the Roland, Ibanez, Phi-Tech, Casio
    and other products, the Quantar uses an active system based on sonar.
    As a result, it can avoid the inherent limitions of the other systems,
    specifically, note delays.
    
    "...the neck is constantly being scanned to determine the position
    of your fingers on the fingerboard.  As soon as you put your finger(s)
    down on a note (or notes) the system can immediately determine what
    hote it is (or they are) - before you even pick the string(s)!
    ...lurking beneath the bridge cover is a proprietary bridge that
    uses special transducers to send ultra-high prequency signals down
    the strings - sonar technology.  When you fret a note the signal
    bounces back off you finger and the electronics determine its exact
    position on the neck.  The pluck only determines the velocity of
    the note.  Because of this technology the Quantar can be set to
    a special Tap mode or a steel guitar Slide mode. String bends,
    hammer-ons and pull-offs are also possible."
    
    40 hr batter, global transpose, up to 12 midi channels simultaneously,
    can save 99 configurations, pressure sensitive palm pad on bridge
    (aftertouch on a guitar!), lotsa other stuff.
    
    From what I've read, heard, and tried (the Roland GR-whatever) of
    other guitar controllers, and from what I've heard of your playing, 
    sonar is the way to go.
    
    On the other hand, the list price is $1295.  Which ain't too bad,
    considering (IMO).
    
    Rodney M.    
    
1512.2AnotherCSC32::G_HOUSEGreg House - CSC/CSWed Jul 06 1988 23:245
    Yamaha also has a new guitar MIDI controller.  It's optical based,
    claiming to sense string bends and picking techniques.  See ad and
    demo soundpage in this months Guitar Player.
    
    Greg
1512.3Disjointed impressionsDREGS::BLICKSTEINYo!Thu Jul 07 1988 12:4234
    WJB,
    
    I have been following this stuff pretty closely.  I personally am only
    interested in a guitar controller that can also make regular guitar
    sounds.
    
    If you have that same requirement, the short story is that it's
    not here yet.
    
    I'm not as familiar with the dedicated guitar controllers, although
    I've tried everyone I could get my hands on.  The only one that
    I thought was remotely suitable was far too expensive (Synthaxe).
    I haven't tried the new Yamaha (GC-10 I think is the model).
    
    The main problems are 1) tracking which imposes a sorta speed limit,
    but also can highlight minor flaws in your technique, and 2)
    expression, such as bending, vibrato, picking, etc.
    
    In playing these things, I sorta felt like I was playing a keyboard
    in the shape of a guitar.  I felt very very limited, and thought
    that things these guitar controllers allow me to play would be
    better accomplished by a keyboard player.
    
    I suppose if you don't play keyboards, these things are great, and
    I confess that even with the limitations they are a lot of fun
    (playing a guitar and hearing a sampled pipe organ was a real trip),
    but really you don't need much keyboard technique to do what the
    guitar controllers allow.
    
    I also couldn't imagine playing a whole song on what is currently
    available.
    
    	db
    
1512.4RANGLY::BOTTOM_DAVIDbehind blues eyes...Thu Jul 07 1988 17:5011
    Bill, I believe it is Vega that recently released a system that
    was reviewed in somthing I read as being the 'best' currently
    available. They also made a violin to midi controller that got rave
    reviews in nearly all the mags....if I recall it was very expensive
    though...nearly $2k...
    
    All of the units I've played around with made me excited about the
    possibilities of a midi guitar controller but dissapointed in the
    actuality...
    
    dbII
1512.5Zero-time-lag CV is easy.COERCE::YERAZUNISWhere do those things come from, anyway?Thu Jul 07 1988 19:2119
    If you really want a guitar controller (and are willing to mung a
    perfectly good Hondo :-)  ) it's not hard to build a
    polyphonic-guitar-to-polyphonic-CV controller.  Then route it into
    any handy CV->MIDI converter and you have everything but pitch bend.
    We had one CV for pitch, another for attack velocity, plus a gate.
    Each of the strings was separately patchable and transposeable
    electronically.                       
    
    The circuit is real simple, the woodwork not particularly hard, and the
    entire cost (when we modified a Cort shortstring bass two years ago)
    about $50 sans the guitar.  This was for a circuit that had per-fret
    tuning (Dig that just-tempered bass line :-) ) but you need precision
    resistors if you don't go for per-fret.
    
    Send me a 'gram if you want to know how it works.
    	
    	-Bill