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Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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1578.0. "Roland news" by SUBSYS::ORIN (AMIGA te amo) Fri Jul 29 1988 20:51

Attention Roland product owners:

D50/D550  New roms should be available at no charge within several weeks.

P330/S330 Now in stock

MKS20     Worcester Wurly's has a demo model for sale at $795, last one ever.

MC500     Turbo software coming "soon". I will check on Monday to find out when.
          Price is rumored to be about $295. The memory expansion kit may not
          be available for awhile due to RAM chip shortage.

 User Note:  To clear out all song and sequence memory...

	1. press then release MODE
        2. press and hold RESET, SHIFT, ENTER  in that order

S550	40 new sample disks available for copying, many in stereo


happy synthing

dave



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1578.1Roland clinic tonite in Salem NHDREGS::BLICKSTEINYo!Mon Aug 01 1988 13:5911
    Also for Roland owners:
    
    Daddy's Junky Music on Route 28, Salem NH is holding a Roland Clinic
    tonite!  A Roland rep will be on hand to answer questions about a
    variety of Roland products.
    
    I have heard that there is a secret combination of buttons that
    turn an SRV-2000 into a straight DDL.   That'll be my first question.
    I also wanna snarf up some of those new S-550 samples.
    
    	db
1578.2Old Dog, Old TrickDRUMS::FEHSKENSMon Aug 01 1988 14:476
    Read my review of the SRV-2000 back in note 280.  The delay trick
    is explained there.  You mean you've been waiting all this time
    to find out how to do it?
    
    len.
    
1578.3DREGS::BLICKSTEINYo!Mon Aug 01 1988 17:411
    No, I just found out about it's existance last week.
1578.4Where to LookDRUMS::FEHSKENSMon Aug 01 1988 22:205
    Incidentally, the discussion of the SRV-2000 as a 450 msec delay
    is at the very *end* of the review.
    
    len.
    
1578.5Roland Clinic "trip report"DREGS::BLICKSTEINYo!Tue Aug 02 1988 12:06159
    I attended a Roland clinic last night at Daddy's Junky Music in Salem,
    NH.  The clinic was given by Chuck Vandeman, a Roland representive.
    
    The clinic was in a small but comfortable sound-damped room.  Soft
    drinks were served.  Nice informal atmosphere, not any significant
    pressure to buy, although they did circulate a flyer of "tonite-only
    demo prices" (by the way, I hope none of you out there really believe
    that they wouldn't give you those prices if you came in, say next
    Tuesday!!!).
    
    On display were: D-50, D-10, D-20, D-110, MT-32, S-550, MC-500 Mark I,
    M-160 and a P-330.
    
    The talk was divided into 3 segments based on Roland's 3 sound
    generation techniques.
    
    The first section was on Structured Adaptive Synthesis, which is the
    technology Roland uses in its digital piano synths.  The big news here
    was the P-330, a follow-on to the MKS-20.  It costs about 2/3's the
    ORIGINAL price of the MKS-20 and is pretty much identical except that
    it has a two band EQ (instead of 3), a MIDI overflow to gang P-330's
    (and MKS-20's) together for more voices, a programmable release time
    and you can stack chorus sounds.  It's also a single rack space tall,
    whereas I believe the MKS-20 was at least 1.5.
    
    The SA demo was a MC-500 sequence which was Chick Coreas first
    noodlings on an RD-1000.  That is, it is what he played when he
    first sat down to try it out.  Pretty interesting stuff.  You can
    hear him go thru the patch changes and listening to individual notes as
    well as some free-form improvisation.
    
    The next area covered was sampling technology.  Chuck stuck mostly
    to the S-50, S-330 and the S-550.  This seemed to annoy some of
    the S-10, S-20, and S-220 owners in the audience as there seemed to
    be lots of questions about "my S-10...?"
    
    One area of confusion was clarified: the S-550 is *NOT* the S-50 in a
    rack mount.  The software is significantly different.  The S-330
    however could be described as a cut-down S-550.  It runs the same
    software.
    
    Roland has released an MC-500 like sequencer as a software option for
    the S-50.  A similar program will be available for the S-550 and S-330
    in the late-summer/early fall timeframe.  It's rumored to be an MC-500
    that uses the video interface to give you PC-like features.  Should
    be interesting.
    
    It was very pleasing to know that if I want a better sequencer for
    particular things, I *still* don't have to buy a PC.  I can just
    use my sampler, and what's more is that you can still use the sampler
    while running the sequencer!!!  Gee! No GTE... err Roland.
    
    What really intrigues me about this is that it's a step toward the
    affordable music workstation, where what the unit does (SGU, EFX,
    sequencer, etc.) is a function of what software you feed it.
    
    The demos were really awesome (I'd come to these things just to hear
    the demos).  The first demo was an S-550 orchestral arrangement.  It
    sounded very realistic and definitely production quality.
    
    The next demo was on the S-50 and had the theme of "what you can do
    when you economize memory to the max".  It was an updated version
    of "1-2-3 O'clock Rock" complete with (partial) Bill Hailey vocals, and many
    sounds sampled directly from the original recording.  It was just
    "inconcievable" that the S-50 could possibly hold all those samples
    PLUS the sequencer program mentioned above (yes it was running on the
    S-50, but it wasn't hooked up to the video interface).
    
    The next sound generation technology covered was (can you guess?)
    LA synthesis.
    
    Roland now has scads of LA synths.  Let's see if I can cover them
    from the bottom up (according to Chucks ordering) and get it right:
    
    MT-32 - 32 voices (not really!), drum sounds (straight from the 707),
    	full multi-timbrality.  They played an incredible demo of latin
    	music (probably because the latin percussion samples really are
    	quite good that made me want to keep my MT-32 (which I have offered
    	for sale).
    
    D-110 - new rack mount version of the MT-32.  Better sounds, accepts
    	ram cards, new drum samples, and they have provided a "solution"
    	to the "channel eating" problem of the MT-32 by allowing you
    	to "turn off" specific channels from the front panel.
    
    D-10 Don't remember much about this, it was described as "like the D-20
    	but different"
    
    D-20 Fully multi-timbral with a builtin sequencer.  Clearly Rolands
    	attempt to get at the ESQ-1 market.  It sounded good, I got the
    	impression that the builtin sequencer was not nearly as
    	sophisticated as the ESQ-1's.   It looked like it was easy to use
    	but if the manual is a typical Roland manual (awful) it is hardly
    	a comfort to know that the sequencer would be easy to use if only
    	you had to some to learn how to use it.  (More flaming about Roland
    	documentation later.)
    
    Other Roland news.
    
    A new version of the MC-500 has (or will be?) introduced.  There will
    be a hardware upgrade option for old units, but it's gonna cost you
    a bundle, like $600.  It basically replaces the motherboard.  However
    it's still cheaper than buying the new one outright.  I wrote down
    the "new" features figuring there were a few of you out there who
    might be interested: 120K notes, 8 tracks up from 4, 2 MIDI outputs,
    time shifting (by track, channel, event, etc), data thinning 
    (selective removal of pitch bend, modulation data), Rhythm track,
    total time inquiry (how many minutes/secs do we have here?), improved
    microscope mode, etc.
    
    I stayed around late to talk to Chuck.  I don't have time to type in
    every thing we talked about, but I did complete my "mission" to
    make a strong plea/case for better documentation.
    
    I was not very encouraged by his response.  Roland is in "pump out
    those products" mode.  According to him, customers would not want
    to see less products traded for better documentation.  He also
    said that people often don't read the manuals, and ask him questions
    that are answered in the manual.  I pointed out to him, that this
    may imply that they didn't understand the manual as easily as it
    might imply that they didn't read it.
    
    The bottom line is that he (made the mistake of) asking me if I
    wanted good products or better documentation.   The bottom line is
    that I consider a good product to be both a piece of hardware
    accompanied by a good manual.  The manual is not "separate" from 
    the product.  That's an unfortunate attitude.
    
    Well, he sorta confessed that he agreed with me but indicated that it
    was very unlikely that things would change.
    
    I told him, they'd have to.  The average thickness of music equipment
    manuals is increasing, and so is their importance with the advances
    in technology.  At some point, the gap between Roland's documentation
    and their hardware is gonna be so large as to overshadow the quality
    of the hardware.
    
    I told him that the D-20 looked like a nice piece of equipment but that
    if some non-technical musician comes up to me and asks "what should
    I get, the D-20 or the ESQ-1?", I would immediately answer the ESQ-1.
    This is solely on the basis of the manual.  I do not believe most of
    my non-Digital musical friends are interested in slogging thru the
    Roland manual when they can breeze thru then Ensoniq manual.  I think
    most of them would get frustrated with the D-20 manual and not end
    up enjoying this hobby in the way that I have come to.
    
    I made it clear that it was not my intention to laud Ensoniq over
    the Roland rep, but that I felt that it was an important point they'd
    have to see.
    
    The nice thing was that the people from Daddy's were listening to all
    this nodding their heads after each sentence.  Now as I said, I'm
    sure Chuck agreed; my hope was that it would motivate him to bring it
    all back as feedback.
    
    Tidbits, Chuck said that Roland IS coming out with a keyboard that
    transmits polyphonic after-touch in "a few months".
    
    	db
1578.6Turbo and Mark II now in stockSUBSYS::ORINAMIGA te amoThu Aug 25 1988 23:5712
More news...

The Turbo software is now available at Worcester Wurly's. Eddie says that
they have been able to use it in a standard MC500 and still load 3
average song sequences. It has so many features and uses so much memory,
that the memory upgrade will probably be needed for large projects. The
Mark II sequencer is priced at about $1500. The Turbo software (not the
real name now) costs $225. The hardware upgrade for the MC500 will cost
about $450 plus labor. Eddie and Brad are going to be doing the upgrade
installations.

dave