Conference napalm::commusic_v1

    This topic is reserved for "hot off the press" price quotes.  For a
    formal (somewhat exhaustive) list of price quotes to DECMS, see topic 9
    (DECMS Price Quotes). 

    RULES:

    1) Read before you post.  Duplicates and junkers will be blasted.
    2) PLEASE use a descriptive title, as follows:

		mfgr product price location

	or, for example:

		Alesis MIDIverb II $199 at Sam Ash

    3) NO HYPHENS IN THE PRODUCT NAME (ie D-110 should be D110).

    Have at it. 

-b

Daddy's Junky Music sells the TX16W rack mounted sampler for $1195.  Was $1395
a month ago.  See note 1006.* for a discussion of the TX16W

See note 1141.* for a discussion of this item.

Chad

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    Union Music in Worcester:
    
    Roland D-110 is $675 *advertised* price.  Don't know how much lower
    Jeff can go for DECMS, give him a call.

    Y-word TX81Z are down to $295 at Sam Ash  48th St N.Y.C.
    Korg 707.................$485
    Roland S-10..............$595

    Latest prices at Rogue Music in N.Y.C. 
             ***USED    Equipment****
    RX5 ..$619
    RX7..$425
    QX3..$799
    DX21..$475
    DX&..$825
    DXIIFD..$1545
    
    Rol 707..$195
        S50..$1725
        S550 $1875
   Alesis HR-16..$325
   Casio cz101..$159
   Casio cz1....$525
   Casio RZ(1?).$199
   Akai 612.....$279
   EMU sp1200...$1650
   EMAX.........$1725
    
    
             
    

		I just got off the phone with LaSalle's in Boston.  It 
	appears as though Bruce (the former DECMS contact) has left the 
	company.  I spoke with Mark Miller from their Pro-line audio equipment 
	dept who was more than willing to answer my questions regarding Alesis 
	gear and other items.  We spoke for about a half hour and he seemed
	very excited about making a strong connection with DECMS.
		He claims that he will be able to beat 80-90% of all other
	prices anywhere.  I called mostly for prices on the Midiverb II and
	Microverb II and we ended up speaking about what they feel their
	market niche is, the other lines they carry, how DECMS could fit in,
	etc., etc.

		The prices he quoted me are as follows:

		Midiverb II...............................$230
		Microverb II..............................$170

	(please note these are NOT walk in prices, these can only be obtained
	  through DECMS)

	I'm not sure about the Microverb II, but Sam Ash has the Midiverb II
	for $239.  
		It looks as though I'll be getting the Midiverb II sometime
	this week or next through Lasalle's.  My highest recommendation goes
	out to Lasalle's and Mark Miller.

	Dan

	P.S. Mark is sending me a big promo-type packet with tons of stuff on
		the lines they carry, etc.  If you want one for yourselves or
		just want to rap, give Mark a call at (617) 536-0066.

	P.P.S  I'm having the Midiverb II sent to Nashua (where I work) to save
		on the sales tax (I'm an MA resident)!

    I think this just reflects a general price reduction in the MIDIVERB II.
    
    I walked into a mom & pop type (low volume) guitar shop in Ithaca, NY
    this weekend and their ASKING (sticker) price was $235, and I was told
    that THAT was negotiable.  The $235 sticker didn't have any adornments
    like "Special", or "Wow! look at this!".
    
    > He claims that he will be able to beat 80-90% of all other prices
    > anywhere
    
    80-90% of all music salesman will tell you that, and despite the
    reflexive incongruency in the statement, they all are telling pretty
    much the truth.
    
    Just don't presume that LaSalle's is really any different from
    EU's, Daddy's or whatever in this respect.  I have never had any
    problem getting ANY large chain store I've dealt with to match
    a price.
    
    Once I made that discovery, I started always going to the same store
    (Daddy's in Nashua) and dealing with the same people because they
    knew my expectations.  Since then, I've always been treated very
    well cause they know not only that *I buy*, but also that *I buy
    there*.
    
    	db

    BTW I got a quote of $160 for the uVerbII from Profound Sound two
    weeks ago...
    
    dbii

re. < Note 16.8 by DREGS::BLICKSTEIN "Yo!" >

>    I walked into a mom & pop type (low volume) guitar shop in Ithaca, NY
>    this weekend and their ASKING (sticker) price was $235, and I was told
>    that THAT was negotiable.  The $235 sticker didn't have any adornments
>    like "Special", or "Wow! look at this!".

    Was that Ithaca Guitar Works or McNeil's Music?  I know from experience
    that McNeil's gets away with charging list for almost everything in their
    store.  I'd be very interested to hear if was them or IGW.

>    80-90% of all music salesman will tell you that, and despite the
>    reflexive incongruency in the statement, they all are telling pretty
>    much the truth.

    Very true.  I was simply stating that Lasalle's was part of this 80-90%. 8*)
    
>    Just don't presume that LaSalle's is really any different from
>    EU's, Daddy's or whatever in this respect.  I have never had any
>    problem getting ANY large chain store I've dealt with to match
>    a price.    
 
    Dave, maybe some of us should take lessons from you!

>    Once I made that discovery, I started always going to the same store
>    (Daddy's in Nashua) and dealing with the same people because they
>    knew my expectations.  Since then, I've always been treated very
>    well cause they know not only that *I buy*, but also that *I buy
>    there*.
    
    Daddy's?  Are you kidding?  I've just about had it with people at Daddy's 
    saying "Well, we just can't go any lower".  I've spent over $3500 at Daddy's
    this past year and I'm still not treated with much respect.  It appears to 
    me that their attitude is very non-caring about customer satisfaction - 
    only that they can rake in the revenues.

    One for the record, Dave.  A mutual friend of ours who has also spent a 
    small fortune at Daddy's in the last year tried to get them to match 
    Caldor's sale price of $99.99 for a Casio horn.  Daddy's response: "We 
    can't do it - we'd just lose too much money on it."  So much for Daddy's 
    WRITTEN guarantee about matching anyone's (locally) price and so much for 
    trying to keep happy customers.

    Dave, The reason I even entered my first reply was that for once, it seemed
    as though a midi dealer was really interested in helping me out, not just
    trying to make a sale.  Sure, he was grateful that he could connect with
    DECMS, but I have the feeling that he genuinely cared.

	Dan

	Oops, I forgot to mention - Daddy's prices:

	Microverb II...............................$199.99
	Midiverb II................................$249.00

	Dan

    re: .9
    
>    BTW I got a quote of $160 for the uVerbII from Profound Sound two
>    weeks ago...
    
    I called with my plastic magnetic stripped MIDIholic tool of self
    destruction in hand.
    
    Shane is on vacation, but "Byron" said that there must be some
    kind of mistake here.   I asked him to call me back if that changes.
    
    And if it does, I (or db-II) will post a note cause I expect there's
    a lot of us that would spring for one or two at $160.
    
    	db

    Well that's the price Shane quoted me when I asked, and yup he's
    on vacation...figures since I have a problem with the order he did
    fill...nope not a uVerbII...
    
    never have a problem with an order from Profound....it's very time
    consuming trying to get an answer, any answer at all from Shane...
    
    dbii

    Dave I just got off the Phone with Byron....read my note
    
    uVerbII: u=micro ie: microverbII $160....yes that's a good price   
    
    dbii

    ...and he just called back...my problem has been resolved
    satisfactorily.
    
    dbii

    Ooops.
    
    (In Cookie Monster voice):  "Saaahhh Reeee"
    
    	db

    So db, how much did having your problem resolved satisfactorily
    cost you??
    
    Edd

    not a cent...as it was it only took the better part of 2 weeks to
    get an answer on how to proceed with the solution...Shane's workload
    being a big part of the delay. It was such a simple problem and
    yet took so long to get anywhere...but again I'm a happy customer
    of Profound Sound.
    
    dbii

    I just ordered an SQ80 and midiverbII from Thoroughbred Music
    in Florida.  The price was $1700 plus $20.00 S&H.  I didn't
    haggle with the DECMS contact, Brad.
    Anyone have a price for a Roland M-160?
    
    mark "eagerly awaiting" davis

		Atari 1040ST with mono. monitor:   $895
		Atari Mega 2 with mono. monitor:  $1095
		Notator (C-Lab/Digidesign):	   $500

	In case nobody's seen the latest Electronic Musician - 
	EM reviewer Jan Paul Moorhead says about Notator:
	
	"I've worked in many sequencing environments on many different
	 computers, but this program is, without question, the most friendly
	 and powerful music software I have evr used."

	Has anyone seen better prices on the above computers and/or Notator?


	Dan (anxious_to_enter_the_sequencing_world)

re. < Note 16.20 by SQUEKE::GOSSELIN "All things are possible" >
                          -< Atari computers/Notator >-

	Oops, I must be slipping........
	-.1 prices are at Lasalle's in Boston.

	:^)

    At Sam Ash, Edison NJ (new store, nice place)
    D10 $595
    Yamaha electric grand w/midi $995
    Yamaha elextric upright w/midi $495
    DX11 $495
    TX81Z $279
    KM802 $285
    Alesis Microenhancer $119
    Alesis rack mounter for 3 units $22
    Voyetra Interface (IBM,MPU401 type) with MK sequencer #1 $179
    The cheap yamaha drum toy (dd5?) $75
    Casio SK1 $75
    
    These prices are probably availble via mail @ 18004SAMASH
    
    [now all I need to do is win the lottery]
    Pete Lega
    

	Oberheim Matrix 1000	UKL 375
	MidiVerb II		UKL 210
	MicroVerb II		UKL 135

		BArry

    Caruso is selling me a Matrix-1000 for $450.  I'm trading in my
    CZ-101 for $100 credit for it.  Thus, I'm not getting in trouble
    with my wife who gave me permission to spend $300 ...
    
    Steve_the_soon_to_be_Oberheim'd

    Dan Eaton:
    You had asked me what a BOSS hc-2 was in another (inapropriate)
    topic.
    
    Its a drum pad style clap machine. Comonly known as a "clapper".

    Sam Ash Christmas special Kawai K5...$758
    
        (I KNOW it's not Christmas time anymore)

    Since this note was created, I have not received any submissions
    to the DECMS BBOARD.  That's ok, but I think there is significant
    value to having a well organized bboard.
    
    THis note can serve as the way to "submit" things for the BBOARD,
    but after doing one round of that (taking quotes from this note
    and editing them into the BBOARD), there are things about the way
    that people post things to this note that make putting things
    into the BBOARD hard or impossible.
    
    In this note people have:
    
    	o Posted items without describing what they are like
    	  DX7, QX9, etc
    
    	o Posted items without identifying the brand (Yamaha, Roland, etc.)
    
    	o Posted items without fully identifying the source (mentioning
    	  a "local" music store that not everyone else in the file is
    	  familliar with.
    
    	  (A quote was even posted without mentioning what store gave the
    	  quote!)
    
    I will only say that I will commit ONLY to moviong quotes posted here 
    to the BBOARD that are posted here in BBOARD-ready form:  i.e. such
    that they can pretty much be cut and pasted into the BBOARD.
    
    That Form is (for example)
    
    Ensoniq
    
    	EPS Sampler
    
    	    Daddy's Junky Music			$nnnn	month/day [DECMS]
    
    If the dealer isn't one that isn't already listed in the BBOARD
    dealer list, you should include something like the following:
    
	E.U. Wurlitzer, Worcester MA 508-754-5271
	DECMS Contact: Eddie Fritz
    
    I always feel like I'm trying to beat formalities and regularization
    into notesfiles.  I recognize that people have the right to post
    things here however they want.  I just think that the ORGANIZATION
    of the BBOARD is EXTREMELY useful (try and find a quote for a
    particular item in THIS note and you'll see) and that with a little
    standization of the format and content of notes posted here, we
    the BBOARD could be a really valuable resource.
    
    	db
    

Daddy's is having a sale.  "Last chance to get the legendary DX"
"Closeout on Yamaha".

Yamaha

	DX7 II   FM synth

	    Daddy's Junky Music Nashua        $695    2/89  Regular Sale

        DX7 IIFD FM synth

	    Daddy's Junky Music Nashua        $995    2/89  Regular Sale

        DX7s FM synth

            Daddy's Junky Music Nashua        $895    2/89  Regular Sale

        TX81Z  FM synth module 

            Daddy's Junky Music Nashua        $299    2/89  Regular Sale



They also have a bunch of other stuff on sale.  I don't have my flyer in
front of me.  The Yamaha stuff above is only in Nashua and one other store,
I think NOrwood but maybe Salem NH.

RE: -.1

I looked at the flyer.  I remembered everything correctly but I think
that they made a mistake on it because they list the DX 7 II has their
regular price listed as $795.  They might mean the DX11, I don't know.
But the DX7IIFD is listed now for $995 (reg. $1995) and a DX7IID+ (DX7IID
with grey matter response disk) for $1195 and DX7IID-E+ for $1395 or
something clsoe to that.  


Yamaha

         TXP1 piano module
               Daddy's Junky Music Nashua/Salem     $395    Regular flyer

Just talked to them.

Sale prices:

DX7s  $895

DX11  $695 

Alex

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Path: hjuxa!rutgers!att!homxb!homxc!kettyle
From: kettyle@homxc.ATT.COM (J.KETTYLE)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth
Subject: Jack's Music Sale is NOW
Keywords: SALE
Message-ID: <5424@homxc.ATT.COM>
Date: 8 Feb 89 16:30:43 GMT
Organization: AT&T BL Holmdel NJ USA
Lines: 22

Hello Again!

 I had talked to Chris McKenna, manager of Jack's Music, the
 other day. He had told me that the sale was on from tuesday,
 Feb.7 thru friday, Feb.10. He assured me that Rich got 
 someone to post the news for them. I have not seen a posting
 for the sale at all since Sunday. I wanted to let everyone
 know so that they won't miss out on the deals.

 Jack's has everything on SALE for you to order except for 
 ensoniq equiptment. These deals are great(close to cost)
 but are only thru FRIDAY THE 10th!!!!

 Their phone number is (201)842-0731 ask for 
 Chris McKenna or Rich Stout and tell either one that you are
 a net.user and what you want. They can give you a price
 and order it for you! GOOD LUCK

 John Kettyle Jr.
 AT&T Bell Laboratories
 Holmdel NJ
 homxc!kettyle

    In reference to .-1, I gotta vouch for these guys.

    I got my M160 from Chris last year for $748, including shipping!
    They're very good people to work with, and are very knowledgable. 

    If there's something you've got an itch for, and if they carry it, I
    can almost guarantee that you won't ever get a better price. 

-b

    (I moved this from Len's note because I think you wanted to reply to
    this one.  Anyway ...) 

    Did you tell them that you were a USENET reader?  When I dealt with
    them they wanted "proof" that I was a netter in order to give me the
    bigger discounts.  Of course, this could all be hype this time around,
    too. 

-b

    I told them that I was "from the computer network."  I didn't know that
    that the word USENET was going to be particularly meaningful to them.
    I'm pretty sure that we connected properly, though, since he told me
    the sale was on everything and ended today.
    
    	Eirikur
    
    

Kawai M8000 at Sam Ash as of 2/15/89 is $1257,
KX88 $1297.

If you know where a M8000 < $1000 please post!!!

Chad

Also at Sam Ash:

Casio HT6000 is being closed out at $500

A Yamaha DS55 is $557 (DX11 is $650)

Alex

    Oberheim Matrix 1000..(used).......$400.
    
    		Rogue Music....N.Y.C. (see note 9.4 for phone#)
                                
    

In case anybody's interested.  Daddy's Nashua dug up a new in the box
Yamaha KX5 strap on remote controller.  Salesman didn't know where from.
Price on the box was $475.  Tim (the Salesman) said he would be willing
to seriously deal on it.   Ask for Tim Miller if interested.

Chad  ( and tell him I sent you )

I don't kow if this is the appropriate note for this.  Mr. Moderator, please
feel free to move.

A store where I was friendly and on good terms when I was at school in Utah
is having a sale until March.  Richard, the salesman, told me
everything in the store is on sale.  They are big Roland, Alesis, Akai folks
and have since I left taken on Yamaha and Emu and I think Kawai.  I don't
know how good the prices are but here are some examples:

D50 Roland   $1375
R8 Roland     $750

They will mailorder.  Talk to Richard Olsen and please tell him Chad Leigh
sent you.

Phone  1-800-678-MIDI
       1-801-224-2600

BTW:  Richard said that they were Emu exclusive in Utah and were scheduled
for a nice amount of Proteus' he hoped, so if you want to get on a list,
give hime a call. 

    R.E. 16.46  KX5 for approx. $475?
        Sam Ash N.J. sells them for approx $380!!
    

re: .48    You missed the "will seriously deal" part.  $475 is the "selling"
price on the label.  Besides, not everybody likes to buy through the mail.

But today's entry is for the Octapad II Pad-80 from Roland.  One left at
$595.  UPS land postage free.  Syntrax Music, Orem Utah.

Ask for Richard and tell him Chad sent you.

1-800-678-MIDI

    Yes, but this is the "hot deal" note.
    
    I think this note would be more useful if we didn't put 
    "selling prices" here.  Besides, ANY place will "seriously deal".
    
    Let's limit this note to really special deals, otherwise this
    just turns into an advertising medium for everyones favorite music store.
    
    	db

	Just visited Boston today.  LaSalle's has a lot of good deals...

	Yamaha QX5 8-track Sequencer		-	$350
	Roland MKS-50 analog rack mount		-	$357
	Kawai K3M Wavetable Synth rackmount	-	$195

	I'm sure there's more, but that's all that comes to mind.

	Dan

    
    Daddy's in Salem NH has the
    
     Yamaha WX7 Wind controller:  $499
    
    Ask for Matt.
    
    
    Mike D
    
    
    

    
    Digital Music MX8 midi patcher/merger
    		
    		Sam Ash Paramus.................$299
    
    

    Roland PM16 (16-channel PAD->MIDI Converter).......$399

    Got it at Daddy's Junky Music in Nashua, NH.

    This was one of Daddy's *UN*advertised specials. 
    
    I got the  only  one  in  the Nashua store (a demo unit), but the sales
    guy (Tim something) said that all  the other Daddy's stores were having
    the same deal on them...   so interested parties should call the
    *other* DJM stores to see if they've got one in stock. 
           
           /doug
           

    			
    
    			MC-500 for Sale
    
       Just saw one at Rogue Music for $550. It's used but looks unabused.
    

Taken from the April 1989 issue of Electronic Musician:

Steinberg DX/TX Sythworks (for Atari ST).........................$ 156.00
Steinberg Pro 24 (for Atari ST)..................................$ 177.00
Kurzweil Midiboard...............................................$1497.00
Kurzweil 1000GX..................................................$1497.00
Kurzweil 1000HX..................................................$1197.00

Phone: 1-800-CTC-MIDI (1-800-282-6434)

    Oberheim Matrix-1000		$395.00
    Oberheim Perf-X MIDI manipulators   $195.00 each
    
    All three Perf-X products, Systemizer, Navigator, and Cyclone
    arpeggiator are available.
    
    Maggio Music, Brooklyn N.Y.  718-259-5634  They ship UPS Collect.
    This info from a flyer I received in the mail.
                                                                           

	From an ad in 'The Beat'...

	Oberheim DPX-1 Sample Player.....................$ 895
	Oberheim Xpander.................................$2695

    
    
     YAMAHA WX-7 midi wind controller
    			Sam Ash.................$299
    				from Village Voice Ad 3/15/89
    
    	Glad to see these things finally coming down.......
    	
    	My sax player will be a happy boy soon!
    

    
    
    This is from an ad in the Voice.....I don't know how long it will
    last...I called and got an answering machine that said it was
    Marvel Music   (212)691-0303
    
    Roland MKS-100 w/sounds..........$300
    Roland MKS70.....................$600
    Oberheim XK......................$300
    Midiverb II......................$150
    
    	I don't know if they'll ship (for the benefit of you Mass folks).
    
     What gives? Seems like everybody's getting rid of their MVII's
    Pretty soon for the price of a Quadraverb I'll be able to buy
    four used MVII's. Kindof the same thing, huh?. Think how nice it
    will look in a rack. All those leds.
    
    				rich
    
    
    
    
    
    
    

    Yabbut, it's the extra bandwidth, too.  But, for most applications
    the MVII is great.  A steal at $150.  WX-7 for $300?  Great, too.
    I think we'll be seeing more blowouts in favor of more expensive
    gear.  
    
    Steve

    
    
    
    
    
    	Roland PG-300
    
    		Programmer for the Juno series
    
    			Sam Ash N.Y.C...............$69.00
    
    

    
    
    
    	Kawai MX8r 8 channel rack-mount mixer w/2 effect loops
    
    			!!!$112.00!!!   w/DECMS discount
    
    	Caruso Music.......ask for Dave
    
    

    
    
    	It's not a price quote, but I didn't want to start a topic over
    it.
    
    	From an ad in the Village Voice:
    
     " Midi Musicians w/IBM Clones."
     " Get the newest Midi software free. Beta testers needed."
     " Call Ellen (914) 968-4230"
    
    					tanstaafl..........rich
    
    

    I'd be wary of viruses...
    
    Edd

Waaaaaaaaaugh ! Where is Caruso ?

>Waaaaaaaaaugh ! Where is Caruso ?

See note 6 for music dealer info.

dave

I found it in 529.0...

    RE: .68
    
    Yowza ! Is this price as good as it sounds, 8 channels for $100?
    
    There's quite a bit of discussion of this mixer in notes 1113 and
    770.46, good reviews in general, although some mention of the noise
    factor. I was seriously considering building the CQM, but it may
    not be worth it at this price.
    
    I assume Caruso's does mail order?
    
    Rob

    
    
    	Sure does..I recieved a K1r in 2 days (Conn-Staten Island,NY).
    
    		That's mail order!!!

    Sorry... Just talked to Dave at Caruso, and he said he mis-quoted you
    the price on the Kawai mixer. The $112 was for their "patcher." The
    MX8r is $250.  Back to the want ads...
    
    Tom

    Anyone got any good pointers on a price for either a TX802 or a DX7II? 

-b

    Visited E.U. Wurlitzer in Boston last Saturday.   Two things might be
    of interest.
    
    1) Boss half-rack effects, (including the RCE-10 chorus) $99.00
       They are being discontinued.   I have never heard any comments
       on the other units in this series, but the RCE-10 is the COMMUSIC
       "chorus of choice."  If you know that other units in this series
       are good, please post a review in another note.  I'm interested
       in the phasor, myself.
    
    2) Korg P3 Piano modules, blow-out at $199.00  This is the ROM-
       based, non-rackmount wedge package. Two distinct piano voices,
       and a card slot that is compatible with cards for their Symphony
       module.  This might be a great deal if there were cards...but I
       haven't seen any, and Korg lit. only mentions 2 not too useful ones.
       I don't even know if you can get those.
    
    	Eirikur
    
    
    

    re: .78 
    
    I LOVE THIS NOTE!!!!
    
    I've been waiting for one of these babes (RCE-10) to go on sale for awhile.
    Never expected to find one being "dumped".
    
    However, I must tell you that I got the last RCE-10 in the Boston
    store.
    
    	db

    Thank God for this conference...
    
    I haven't been in here for 3 weeks.  Anyway I bought a Boss RCE-10
    chorus on Saturday for $159 with wall bug from the Worchester
    Wurlitzer.  No mention of close outs.  I just called the Boston
    store to verify the price - $95.  I then called the Worchester store
    and complained, the salesman claims he didn't know.   Anyway, now
    I can go back a recoup a $60 credit.
    
    I bet this stuff goes on all the time, and I was almost the sucker...
    
    Dave
    
    PS: I don't feel sorry for retailers in the least - Back to MO!

That's funny, I called Wurlys in Worcester last week and they said they
were out of the chorus units.  Boston had one though...  You had
to/have to talk to the guitar department

Chad

	The story I heard was that they had some demos they were getting rid of.
They said they were selling the demos WITHOUT power supplies.  At the time 
(last week some time), they told me they only had a flanger, phasor and some
kind of delay unit left.

	Dan

	Flash - just called them (Boston store).  This time they told me there
is a sale on everything but the sampling delay unit.  He said there are RCE's
(chorus) in stock.

	Dan

    
    I have been told by a reliable source that Roland MKS-80 Super Jupiters
    are still in production.  In fact, they are "on sale" right now,
    for about half what they used to go for.  It is quite possible that
    the price will go back up sometime soon.
    
    For those of you who aren't familiar with the MKS-80, it is Roland's
    top of the line rack mount all analog synthesizer.  It includes
    a basic MIDI implementation (all you need), is 8 voice monotimbral
    or 4 voice bitimbral or dual layered.  Yeah, this is not a lot by
    today's standards, but there a very few of today's synths that sound
    like this.
    
    The Super Jupiter lists for $2495.  This is old but classic technology.
    Ask anyone who owns one if it's worth it. 
    
    EUWurlitzer will special order one for you.  I already have one and
    I'm ordering a second one.
    
    I don't know if programmers (MPG-80) are still available.  The MKS-80
    comes with a parameter/value up/down pushbutton programming interface
    which is serviceable if tedious.
    
    len.
    
    
    

    
    
    	Just picked up the Village Voice and Sam Ash is having a 
                "Pre-Inventory Clearance Sale"
               
       Some pretty good prices. Some items are demos. I'll list a few.
    
    Peavey Ultraverb..$219.             Roland PG300 progrmmer...$49.95
    Roland MKS50......$239.             Roland MT32 demo.........$399.
    Roland MKS70......$499.95           Roland DEP-3.............$199.95
    Seq Prophet 2000 DEMO...$695.95     Yamaha KX76 DEMO.........$949.
    Yamaha SPX50D.....$299. inc rebate  Yamaha EMT1 module.......$149.
    Yamaha RX-5  DEMO..$495.            ESQ mirage rack DEMO.....$449.
    Korg 707(barf)DEMO.$329.            Korg P-3 module..........$199.95
    Korg SQ8 pocketseq.$69.             Ober XK contrlr..DEMO....$439.
    Akai MPX820 midimixer.DEMO.$995     Akai Asq-10 Linn seq.DEMO.$795.
    
    	The full page ad has at least 80 entries. 
    
    At the bottom of the page it sez, "List prices are for identification
    purposes only and do not necessarily reflect the actual selling
    prices in the New York Trading area."
    
    Huh?
    
    					Rich
    
    

QUadraverb $399 delivered (401.25 UPS COD) Profound sounds 800-63-sound

Byron is pretty easy to work with.

dbii

FWIW

Daddy's blewout their Kurzweil 1000PX modules at $695.00.  Unfortunately,
they are all gone (no, I didn't get one :-(  ).  They are also blowing out
the other non-plus models.  Same price or maybe less, I forget.  They had
one SX, one GX, and one HX left I think.

They are also selling their last two 1000PX+ models for $1295.

All of the above are store demo models.

Mentioned was also the 1000AX+ but no price was put on it -- I assume similar
to the PX+.

Chad

Daddy's is dropping the Kurzweil line I am told and hence the "blowout".
The reason I am told is that Kurzweil wants to require them to have a minimum
of one of each product at each store in stock.

    I just called Sam Ash to order an MKS ... they wouldn't even talk to
    me.  Some nonsense about no mail-order on Roland gear. 

    What's the deal, and how am I supposed to get my hands on one of these?
    8-( 

-b

			  Guitar Center (California):

	Kurzweil	1000PX	$1995	$699
	   "		1000HX	$1695	$599
	   "		1000GX	$2195	$499
	   "		1000SX	$1695	$599

	The brochure also says: "Please note: Guitar Center has brought
	the complete inventory of Kurzweil sound modules from the
	manufacturer.  This offer is exclusive to Guitar Center
	customers, and is not available to wholesalers, dealers, jobbers
	or distributors." 

re. -.1

	Location within CA.?

	Phone number?

	Credit card orders?

	????

    
    
      Free Oberheim Perf/X unit with the purchase of  MATRIX 1000!!.
    
    Yes, that's right folks!. Guess they have to give them away. This
    deal can be had at Doctor Sound in NYC. Phone #212 353-0518.
    Unfortunately, the Doctor's price for the Matrix is $499, which
    is a tad high, IMHO.
       The way it works is you get a coupon from the Doctor when the
    Matrix is purchased. The Perf/X unit will be shipped directly to
    the happy buyer from Oberheim.
    
    Perf/X devices are:     Systemizer   Navigator    Cyclone.
    
    
    					Rich
    

    The Perf/X  with Matrix 1000 deal is also on at LaSalle in Boston.
    Makes me think it's an Oberheim promotion.  I, too, feel that it is too
    many $ for the Matrix 1000.  I could go for a couple of the Perf/X
    modules if they got cheap enough to get past the cheesy case and user
    interfaces.
    
    I keep hearing that the Matrix 1000 is discountinued.  This seems weird
    when they haven't announced a replacement.
    
    	Eirikur
    

    $499 is not unreasonable.  I got mine for $475 at EUWurlitzer a
    couple of months ago, and that was the best price they could give
    me as a "preferred" customer (i.e., I've brough them a *lot* of
    business).
    
    len.
    

    > Some nonsense about no mail-order on Roland gear.
    
    > What's the deal, and how am I supposed to get my hands on one of
    > these?
    
    We discussed this before.  In response to pressure from retail
    stores, Roland will not allow mail order.  I've now heard from just
    about every place I've dealt with.  It's no longer a rumor.
    
    Basically, the stores felt that people were coming into the stores
    for demos and then ordering mail-order.   The stores said to Roland
    'since there's no way for us to compete with MO because they don't
    have the same overhead, we have less-and-less reason to carry the Roland
    line so you better about it.'
    
    Roland's hand got forced, and you know the result.  This is EXACTLY
    what I said would happen somewhere in here.  Roland knows they can't
    survive with just mail order.
    
    	db

re              <<< Note 16.95 by DREGS::BLICKSTEIN "Conliberative" >>>
>                -< I'm not beneath claiming an "I told you so" >-

	Me too;  not beneath...., etc.

-	But can Roland survive on retail alone ?
-	Will they lose market share to the companies that cater to MO 
	AND  retail ?
-	Will the segment of the public who have been used to browsing
	in the retail store and buying MO just boycott Roland ? 

	It isn't a simple (business) model, I'm sure - and I sure
	wouldn't like to be the guy who has to decide whether to cut
	off the MO outlets. 

	I don't expect to see any  anti_trust/fair_trade/price_fixing 
legal action to come out of all this, the market is too small and so 
are the impactees.

	R

    
    Another reason to not buy Roland equipment; it costs more and Roland
    doesn't approve of those annoying little things like competition...
    or that people who live more than an hour or so from a dealer should
    be able to buy the equipment anyway... or that people who find that
    their local dealer is a jerk should be able to go elsewhere.
    
    	-Bill (not a Roland fan before, and certainly not now)
    

I think Roland is being pretty cheap here. The main and cheapest mail order 
dealer I deal with is also a showroom...for that matter so is my second most
used mail order house...this is crap caused folks like EUW or Daddies who *WON'T*
compete.

dbii

The last 1000HX at Daddy's is going for $495.00  The unit is today in Nashua.
Probably going back to Boston tomorrow.  Can be got from any Daddy's location.

Absolutely fabulous trumpets.  But Maynard Ferguson can play higher than the
range they give it (F).  (heck, I've played the G above).  Great bones and
saxes too.  The synth sounds aren't great. all in all, probably worth $495
for the horn enthusiast.  Unfortunately the saxes are for the most part all
tenor -- no alto or soprano.

Chad

    Sigh.  We've been through this before. 
    
    >    Another reason to not buy Roland equipment; it costs more and
    >    Roland  doesn't approve of those annoying little things like 
    >    competition...
    
    Uh, Bill.  You've got the wrong heavy here.  This move was not
    instigated by Roland.  It was a reaction by Roland to a demand/threat
    by retailers.
    
    The more stores compete with each other, the more Roland gear that's
    sold.
    
    Bill, you tell me who the heavies are here?
    
    	o Are the stores heavies for telling Roland that aren't going
    	  to carry their line because they can't make money because
    	  they can't compete with MO's because of overhead differences.
    
    	  Really what the stores are saying is "look, we can't compete
    	  with MO so we're going to drop lines that are carried by MO.
    
    	  Roland is probably just the first.  There'll be more.
    
    	o Is Roland the heavy for restricting MO.  If they didn't, and
    	  Roland stuff wasn't visible in stores, I think they have good
    	  reason to believe that no one will buy something without having
    	  the chance to use it first.  MO *does* thrive off us retail
    	  stores.
    
    	o Are MO stores the heavies for offering the product at lower
    	  price because their overhead is lower.
    
    You tell me Bill.  Who are the bad guys here?
    
    	db

  Easy.  The stores which (apparently) colluded in this threat are skirting
  close to "conspiracy" and "illegal restraint of trade".  They may be
  sweethearts in person, but I wouldn't want to meet the group in a dark
  alley.

  Roland is (are :-) also bad guys (or more accurately, weenies) for not
  standing up to the dealers.  No way the dealers walk away from a Roland
  franchise (I'm assuming that Roland is #1 or nearby for semi and pro
  equipment).

  Computers, TV's, Walkpersons, stereo stuff and god knows what else are
  sold mailorder for less than full retail.  Why should music dealers be
  such primadonnas?

  Dave

    
    Both the stores and Roland are the heavies.
    
    	1)First, the stores that found the Roland line unprofitable because
    	of MO competition should have discontinued the line, rather
    	than coercing Roland to halt MO distribution.  That's what you're
    	_supposed_ to do in retail - cease selling what don't sell!
    
    	2)Second, Roland should have sent a letter back to each coercive
    	store saying something like:
    
    	
    		Gentlemen; 
    	
    			We at Roland understand your position, 
    		however, given the legal status of commodity goods
    		under the Sherman Antitrust Act, our legal counsel
    		advises us that entering into such negotiations
    		to restrain trade would expose both ourselves and
    		you to criminal prosecution.
    
    			We must therefore state that we can and will
    		make no supportive statement and take no position or 
    		action on your request.
    
    			Sincerely,
    			Bozo T. Roland, corporate counsel.		
                                  
     
    
    In other words, the stores got greedy, Roland didn't stand up to
    them, and as far as I'm concerned, the appropriate action is a 
    "consumer boycott".  
    
    	-Bill Yerazunis
    
    (just for legalities sake- the above statements are my own opinion
    and do not reflect those of my employer)

    Please move or terminate this losing discussion.
    
    More hot price quotes, please!
    
    	Eirikur
    

	If all you want is a good price on Kurzweil, check the prices in
	my earlier note! The closest Guitar Center for you East Coast
	guys is Chicago, but they'll be glad to sell you what you want
	mail order.  (For the record - I have no interest and receive no
	consideration from Guitar Center, [ or anybody else *8') ]) 
	Anyway, the Chicago stores are: 

3228 Clark St.		8250 S. Cicero Ave.		5820 N. Milwaukee
Chicago, IL		Burbank, IL			Chicago, IL
60657			60459				60646
(312) 327-5687		(312) 422-1400			(312) 774-4300

    re: Chad's claim of $495 for Kurzweil 1000HX and $1395 for 1000PX Plus
    
    Chad's right.  I went to Daddy's Friday afternoon after reading the
    note (thanks, Chad!), walked in, asked to try them out, and without so
    much as the D word (Digital), was asked, "did you know we're blowing
    these out at $495 and $1395."  Tim treated me well and left me to
    fidget with the units for 30-45 minutes.
    
    By the way, when I left (~3:30pm, 28-JUL-1989), both units were still
    available.  I couldn't justify the utility of either unit.  I've
    already got a 1000PX with the soundblock (it cost me ~$2K) and I don't
    think I'd get $495 worth of use out of the samples in the 1000HX.
    
    For what it's worth...
    
    - John -

    
                                            
    
        Roland MKS-10 (piano/clav/harpsichord/vibe)  rackmount (3 U?)
    
         		$125 used at Rogue Music NYC
                
    
    				
    

	In case anyone has any money left after buying all the Kurzweil
	1000 PXs, here is the complete list of Guitar Center stores:

Minneapolis	- 2059 N. Snelling, Roseville, MN  55113	  (612) 631-9424
Chicago		- 3228 Clark St., Chicago, ILL 60657 		  (312) 327-5687
Chicago		- 8250 S. Cicero Ave., Burbank, ILL 60459	  (312) 422-1400
Chicago		- 5820 N. Milwaukee, Chicago, ILL 60646		  (312) 774-4300
California	- 7425 Sunset Blvd., Hollywood, CA 90046	  (213) 874-1060
California	- 14760 Ventura Blvd., Sherman Oaks, CA 91403	  (818) 990-8332
California	- 1101 N. Azusa Ave., Covina, CA 91722		  (818) 967-7911
California	- 1515 N. Main St., Santa Ana, CA 92701		  (714) 547-6655
California	- 16615 Hawthorne Blvd., Lawndale, CA 90260	  (213) 542-9444
California	- 6533 El Cajon Blvd., San Diego, CA 92115	  (619) 583-9751
California	- 1563 Mission Blvd., San Francisco, CA 94103	  (415) 626-7655
California	- 3430 Stevens Creek Blvd., San Jose, CA 95117	  (408) 249-0455
California	- 1801 San Pablo, Oakland, CA 94612		  (415) 444-7625

And if you are still looking for a 1000PX, try each store until you find
one or each store says zippo left.

I've seen on USENET where they say they are out but another branch has them

Chad

A truly hot deal I saw at Daddy's in Nashua (I'd buy it if I had
the money - just for the spare parts!)

     Oberheim OB8           (pre-midi, but midi-able for around $250)
     Oberheim DSX sequencer (designed explicitly for the OB*)
     Calzone case for OB8

        $ 549  !!!!

Someone's got to take advantage of this incredible deal.  THink of it this way;
the original list price on this equipment was about $6700.... 8^)

Talk to Tim.

		andy

    I've seen the OB8 there.  It looks like Tim has come down on the price,
    or maybe I didn't know it included the sequencer.  
    
    Points to consider: Does a MIDI conversion give it a decent MIDI
    			implementation?
    			The OB8 is a physically HUGE, heavy object.
    			The Oberheim Matrix-1000 1U rack synth is 6 similar
    			analog voices brand new for < $500. Good MIDI.
    
    			At this price you would be close to the
    			price/pound for scrap parts! And they are good
    			parts in OB gear of this vintage.  Real solid
    			stuff.
    
    I've dealt with Tim.  Do ask for him.
    
    
    	Eirikur (who is out of space and can only have rack stuff)
    
    
    

    The original Chroma.  $249.00 (Marked down from $349?) at Daddy's,
    Boston.  Wood keys.  Wood case.  It's calling out to me....
    
    	If only I had the space,
    
    		Eirikur
    

    FWIW, I recently saw a sci-fi flick that had the entire sound track
    done with a Chroma, if that affects anybody's purchase.
    
    Steve

>    I've seen the OB8 there.  It looks like Tim has come down on the price,
>    or maybe I didn't know it included the sequencer.  

It was just the OB8 at first..  They've thrown in the sequencer and the case,
and knocked $50 off the total price.
    
> Does a MIDI conversion give it a decent MIDI implementation?

Describe decent.  It implements omni-on or omni-off, receives/transmits on
any of channels 1-8, receives controller info (modwheel, pitch bend, sustain,
at least), and patch change requests.  Seems simple enough to install, but
Aztech electronics in Boston could certainly get the parts and do the
installation.

> The OB8 is a physically HUGE, heavy object.

It's big, but certainly no longer than a DX7.   Only about 1.6 times as deep,
and twice as tall in the rear.  It weighs 45 pounds, only 15 pounds more than
an ESQ1.  It's not like a mellotron or anything...

    The OB8 also does SYSEX (unlike my OB-Xa).  If it's in good shape,
    that's a heckuva deal.  Analog was never fatter.

-b

>< Note 16.115 by MIZZOU::SHERMAN "ECADSR::SHERMAN 235-8176, 223-3326" >


>   FWIW, I recently saw a sci-fi flick that had the entire sound track
>   done with a Chroma, if that affects anybody's purchase.
    
>    Steve

	Which one, and how was it?

--mikie--

    Dunno' the name of the flick.  It was one of those Mad Max-ish ones
    where the good guys are going after gold and had something to do
    with mutants that were telepathic.  Lots of overdubbing for the
    actors that couldn't speak English very well.  Ends with the good
    guy turning down an offer to escape and winds up in a knife fight
    with a guy called 'Hunter'.  I was putting together shelves at the
    time.  The Chroma was listed in the credits.  Sounded like the only
    instrument used.  It had its moments, but sounded pretty cheap.
    
    Steve

    
    	Cyborg............neocyberpunk drivel
    	
    				But I Liked IT
    
    					RICH

Recently while running around Compuserve looking for something, I ran across 
this outfit called Music Alley Online. I captured some of their prices for 
comparison. I can't say anything about the service.

These seem to be good prices, and with a credit card, the stuff can be ordered 
online. 

Below is the content of the session:

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
 
Music Alley OnLine         MAO-9

Because of strict regional distributor agreements regarding national
advertising, some manufacturers have requested we refrain from ADVERTISING their
products in view here.  However generally if YOU contact us privately via
EasyPlex (or in the Comments Section) requesting info about one of those MAJOR
manufacturers, we can not only inform you but sell to you at our usual discount.
All products are displayed with retail/discount price (usually from 15% to 30%
off). Prices may vary as manufacturers are famous for changing prices without
warning. If you need something you don't see listed, just drop me a note!
Thanks.

Press <CR> for more !

Music Alley OnLine        MAO-11

1 Keyboards/Synthesizers/Racks
2 Rhythm Devices
3 MIDI Sequencers/Tone Generators/Devices
4 MIDI Guitars/Horns
5 Signal Processing/Equalizers
6 Mixers
7 Multi-Track Tape Recorders
8 ROM/RAM Packs/Microphones
9 Effects Pedals


Enter choice or <CR> for more !1

Music Alley OnLine        MAO-12

 1 Casio
 2 Oberheim
 3 Ensoniq
 4 Korg
 5 Kawai
 6 Other MAJOR Manufacturers

Enter choice !2

Music Alley OnLine           MAO

* ORDER FROM MENU - ENTER "O" *
 1 Matrix 6 keyboard - Retail: $1595.00
    MAO PRICE: $1196.00
 2 Matrix 6 Rack Mount - Retail: $995.00
    MAO PRICE: $749.00
 3 Matrix 1000, Rack Mount - Retail: $595.00
    MAO PRICE: $417.00
 4 Xk Keyboard Controller - Retail: $995.00
    MAO PRICE: $749.00
 5 Matrix 12 - Retail: $5995.00
    MAO PRICE: $4196.00
 6 Xpander - Retail: $2995.00
    MAO PRICE: $2245.00

* ORDER FROM MENU - ENTER "O" *
 1 VZ1 New Pro Casio Keyboard - Retail: $1500.00
    MAO PRICE: $1150.00
 2 FZ1 Pro Keyboard, includes MB10 Expansion Module - Retail: $2500.00
    MAO PRICE: $1499.00
 3 FZ10M Rack Mount version of FZ1 - Retail: $2500.00
    MAO PRICE: $1750.00
 4 CZ101 MIDI, Minikeys, Multi-timbral - Retail: $499.00
    MAO PRICE: $309.00
 5 CZ230 100 presets;MIDI ports - Retail: $499.00
    MAO PRICE: $309.00
 6 HT700 minikeys/speaker/amp - Retail: $399.00
    MAO PRICE: $249.00
 7 HT3000 Full keys w/speaker - Retail: $749.00
    MAO PRICE: $495.00
 8 HT6000, 61 keys, programmable, MIDI - Retail: $1199.00
    MAO PRICE: $729.00
 9 HZ600, Programmable with 61 keys, MIDI - Retail: $499.00
    MAO PRICE: $379.00
10 SK1 mini sampler - Retail: $99.00
    MAO PRICE: $89.00
11 SK5, Sampler - Retail: $169.50
    MAO PRICE: $129.00
12 SK8, with ROM onboard - Retail: $179.00
    MAO PRICE: $145.00
13 SK100 Sampler/ROM pak - Retail: $299.00
    MAO PRICE: $229.00
14 SK200 Programmable sampler - Retail: $399.00
    MAO PRICE: $269.00
15 SK2100 full keys/sampler - Retail: $699.00
    MAO PRICE: $429.00
16 CPS101 Programmable/piano - Retail: $499.00
    MAO PRICE: $355.00
17 CPS2000 76 key piano - Retail: $999.00
    MAO PRICE: $689.00
18 CDP3000, Digital Piano - Retail: $2395.00
    MAO PRICE: $1500.00
19 CT360. 12 preset tone, mini keys - Retail: $199.00
    MAO PRICE: $159.00
20 CT370, mini keys, 20 presets - Retail: $229.00
    MAO PRICE: $189.00
21 CT450, Full size keys, real time memory - Retail: $299.00
    MAO PRICE: $249.00
22 CT460, Midi, Tone mixing - Retail: $349.00
    MAO PRICE: $279.00
23 CT510 (with SS1 Sticks) - Retail: $449.00
    MAO PRICE: $299.00
24 CT607, 61 full size keys, 20 presets - Retail: $349.00
    MAO PRICE: $279.00
25 CT630, 3 keyboard split points, speakers - Retail: $499.00
    MAO PRICE: $329.00
26 CT640 61 Keys, MIDI - Retail: $399.00
    MAO PRICE: $325.00
27 CT5500 MIDI/61 keys - Retail: $999.00
    MAO PRICE: $629.00
28 CT6000 - Retail: $999.00
    MAO PRICE: $589.00
29 PMP500 - Retail: $499.00
    MAO PRICE: $399.00
30 MT110 - Retail: $169.00
    MAO PRICE: $139.00
31 MT140 - Retail: $169.00
    MAO PRICE: $149.00
32 MT205 - Retail: $199.00
    MAO PRICE: $149.00
33 MT220 - Retail: $199.50
    MAO PRICE: $149.00
34 MT240, MIDI - Retail: $199.00
    MAO PRICE: $169.00
35 MT520 - Retail: $249.00
    MAO PRICE: $209.00
36 540 - Retail: $269.00
    MAO PRICE: $219.00
37 MT820 - Retail: $279.00
    MAO PRICE: $305.00
38 MT600 - Retail: $349.50
    MAO PRICE: $219.00
39 MT85 - Retail: $299.00
    MAO PRICE: $229.00

Korg
 1 SQD Eight Track Sequencer
    MAO PRICE: $463.00
 2 SQD-8H Digital Record and Playback Sequencer
    MAO PRICE: $525.00

Enter choice !2

Music Alley OnLine           MAO

* ORDER FROM MENU - ENTER "O" *
 1 Q80 Sequencer - Retail: $833.00
    MAO PRICE: $583.00

 2 Digitech

* ORDER FROM MENU - ENTER "O" *
 1 DSP128, Digital Signal Processor - Retail: $495.00
   MAO PRICE: $347.00
 2 RDS 3.6 sec Digital Delay - Retail: $259.00
   MAO PRICE: $181.00
 3 RDS 1900 Delay - Retail: $279.00
   MAO PRICE: $195.00
 4 RDS 2001 Sampling Delay - Retail: $225.00
   MAO PRICE: $157.00
 5 RDS 3600 Digital Delay - Retail: $399.00
   MAO PRICE: $279.00
 

    While browsing thru the local want ads, I ran across the following:

	Kawai K1	$500
	Roland D110	$400
	Matrix-1000	$300
	Roland A-80	$200 (patch bay, not the keyboard)
	Alesis MMT-8	$150

    Are these good prices?  I didn't think much at first, but now I wonder. 

-b

    I would snatch up the M1000 at $300.
    
    A-80 is keyboard.  A-880 is patchbay.
    
    Chad
    

    
    
       Well guys, it's finally happening.....
    
    I just saw a Midiverb II in the want ads for $100. Those multieffect
    processors are getting cheap!.
                                             
    

I was asked to relay this info to everyone:


Rice Music in Colorado Springs is blowing out their Kurzweil Module stock 
which are normally $2200 - $2495;  Your choice: $600!!!!

They have all of the available 1000 series modules :

	- PROFESSIONAL SERIES

	- PROFESSIONAL SERIES W/ EXTENDED ROM

	- GUITAR SERIES

	- STRINGS SERIES

	- BRASS SERIES
		

(Sorry, I don't know all the letters for all the modules)

Call Dan Keller for more info:   Rice Music  (Colorado Springs)

				 800-444-RICE (Anywhere in the USA)

			     or  719-634-3717 (Colorado Springs)

There will also be a Kurzweil Clinic at Rice next week for the local folk 
(Sept. 7).  They are asking that those who are interested to make an 
appointment.  Again contact Dan Keller at one of the above numbers to sign up.

-Jeff

                 


      Sam Ash is blowing out their YS-100 and YS-200 multi-timbral
    midi workstations (?) for only $359 and $429, respectively. I think
    either of these would make an excellent starter synth, especially since
    they have done away with the in-depth operator programming and use a
    user-friendly interface. The difference between these synths is the
    Ys-200 also has a 7500 note, 8 track sequencer built in. Both have internal
    effects such as reverb, delay, chorus, distortion(huh?) and flange, but in
    a multi-timbral setup, the effect is across the board.
                                    
                                        Rich
                                        

    
    	It's time for Richie to OB.......
    
       Sam Ash sale on......MATRIX 1000..............$299!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
       List $595                 
    
        Yes, the module we all know and love has come down
    							down		
    						          down.
    
    
    				Rich
    

    
    	The R-100 has been blowing out at Sam Ash at this $139 price
    for the last 5 months. So don't rush. They must have a million of
    them.
                  
    					Rich
    

Daddy's Nashua is selling off their Atari software.  Nashua gets all the Atari
software because they have a machine to demo it on.  Some of the prices look
good.

Sonus
_____

Superscore    $149.99
Masterpiece   $179.99
D-50 design    $99.99

Hybrid Arts
___________

Hybri-Switch    $9.99
Genpatch       $99.99
DX Android    $119.99
EZ-track       $39.99
EZ-score plus  $59.99
SMPTE track   $219.99   (this is a good deal if this is the product
                         you are looking for.  comes with the hardware synch 
                         box)
EditTrack     $129.99
Ludwig         $59.99


Steinberg
_________

Synthworks 
      D50     $159.99
     TX81Z    $129.99
      MT32    $129.99
Masterscore   $199.99

C-lab
_____

Notator       $479.99
Creator       $299.99





Chad

    
    	Yamaha SPX-50 multi-effects unit's on sale at SAM ASH for
    $219.00. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they are enhanced
    REX-50's in a rackmount. I think they include distortion.
    
    				Rich
    

    
    	Here's another Sam Ash special.......
    
    		DSP 128 PLUS ..............$295.99
    
       Four effects at once, 20 k bandwidth, bla bla bla. You know the
    rest....................
    
    
    					Rich
    

This is an update to note 16.125:


Rice Music in Colorado Springs has the following Kurzweil Modules left in 
stock:


	2 - 1000HX   (Brass)

	1 - 1000GX   (Guitar)


They'll go for $600!


If interested, call Dan Keller

		    800-444-RICE  (hours: 9:30am - 7pm MDT weekdays
	or  local   (719) 634-3717       10:00am - 5pm MDT Saturdays     )

	

    
      Another Sam Ash blowout.........
    
    	Roland TR626 drum machine..................$269.95
    
    

    
    	Another drum machine bites the dust.........
    
    Sam Ash........Roland 727 (latino) drum machine....$169.95

The blow-out Yamaha SPX-50's have arrived at LaSalle in Boston.  $199.00 

	Eirikur

    
      The blow-out of SPX-50's has LEFT Sam Ash.
    			They ran out o'them real quick.
    
    					Rich
    

Daddy's Nashua has a GP-8 for $599
They have a used one for $499

They also have the VFX SD to touch and play with.

Chad

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All right out there!!

I just got a flyer from Guitar Center and the Roland R-5 is on sale.



$469 is what they want.

That's a straight up deal for those who have shopped around.

Refuse to pay the tax though. I usually do.


If you don't like to haggle, this is your golden chance!!!



 

    I've got the Guitar Center flyer here.  Anybody want prices on anything?

>    I've got the Guitar Center flyer here.  Anybody want prices on anything?

Yes please (everything :-)

Chad

	I just need to figure out how to scan stuff into notes, huh? 
	Let's see, I could fax every page of the brochure into my PC and
	then upload the fax files to the net and the interested parties
	could then download the files and print them out.  All we have to
	agree on is the format for the fax file, then everyone can get
	the prices and the hype...  Maybe there's a scanner somewhere on
	the net that could just put the flier in as a series of X
	bitmaps? Copyright?  We don't need no stinking copyright! 

	Maybe it would be easier if you would just ask about specific
	things or groups of things.  Maybe it would be even easier if
	everyone got on the GC mailing list.  I'm willing to write the
	letter if a bunch of my fellow noters want to send me their
	mailing information... 

>	Maybe it would be easier if you would just ask about specific
>	things or groups of things.  Maybe it would be even easier if
>	everyone got on the GC mailing list.  I'm willing to write the
>	letter if a bunch of my fellow noters want to send me their
>	mailing information... 

The problem is that we don't know what products to ask about...  There might
be things I'm interested in that I don't know about :-)

How 'bout major MIDI things (no guitars or other non-MIDI stuff -- do include
FX processors that are rackmount however)?

Is that asking too much?  I don't mean to sound pushy or anything.

Thanks

Chad

I forgot to add:

Also, just the things that look like pretty good deals, not evrything 
they list.

Thanks

Chad

>	Also, just the things that look like pretty good deals, not evrything 
>	they list.

	That assumes that I know a good deal when I see one. 
	Unfortunately, unless I'm about to buy something I'm usually
	unaware of prices.  (Then I check this file!)  So the following
	data may not be particularly useful. 

Package deals:
    Roland A-50 Keyboard controller, Korg P3, Korg O3, Kurzweil 1000HX	$2299
    Roland U-20, Alesis Sequencer	$1499
    Kurzweil K1000SE, Alesis Sequencer	$1499
    Roland D-50 with "free" M.EX board 	$1599
    Ensoniq VFX with Korg P3		$1599
    MIDI startup pkg for PCs: Cakewalk 3.0, MusicQuest Roland Clone, cables,$179
    Tascam 238 recorder and 216 console with coupon for free 202 deck, $2546
    Tascam MSR16 & STX1 speakers	$5495
    Tascam MS16 & STX1 speakers	$5495

Components:
Roland D-110	$599,	U-110	$649
Yamaha DS55	$599
Roland D-5	$699
Roland D-10	$849
Kurzweil K1000SE	$1495 (might as well buy the sequencer pkg above)
Yamaha TX1P	$199	(not available in Dallas, wonder why?)
Yamaha PF-1500	$1399	( "       "     "   "   )
Roland P-330	$849
Kurzweil 1000AX $999	object mover software $39.95
Yamaha TQ5	$469
Casio VZ8M	$469
Casio FX-10M	$799
Yamaha TX16W	$799
Emu Emax model 1000	$999
Emu Emax SE Rack model 2020	$1499
Emu Emax SE Rack with hard drive model 2021	$1799
Emu Emax Plus with hard drive model 1021	$1499
Rolad S-330	$1499
Roland S-550	$2100
Ensoniq SQ-80	$1159
Ensoniq ESQ-1	$899	(with free Bo Tomlyn video)
Yamaha RX-7	$349
Roland R-5	$499
Yamaha RX120	$195
Yamaha RX-5	$595
Yamaha RX-8	$399
Roland TR-626	$299
Crate KBA150	$349
Fender KB60	$229
TOA KD1		$279
TOA KD2		$379
TOA KD3		$549
Digital Music MX28S Midi Thru Box	$60
Tascam Porta 05 Recorder	$369
Tascam Porta 2 Recorder	$699
Yamaha MT3X	$749
Yamaha MT100	$379

	They have a lot of software, cartridges, PA systems, microphones,
	headphones, etc. that I'm too lazy to type in.  The return
	address on the flyer is the GC in Chatsworth on Nordhoff.  That's
	probably the place to call if you want them to add your name to
	their mailing list.  (Looks like we won't be doing a letter to
	them, Chad, since you're the only one expressing an interest.) 

>< Note 16.141 by AQUA::ROST "Chickens don't take the day off" >
>                  -< Liquidation Sale in Salem, NH 10/21/89 >-
>
>    
>    For MA/NH noters:
>    
>    Saturday October 21st, 9:00 to 5:00
>    
>    Manufacturer's Liquidation
>    
>    Guitars, keyboards, effects, amplifiers, etc.
>    
>    Gibson, Fender, Casio, Korg, Ibanez, Roland, GK, Marshall, Kawai, etc.
>    
>    Visa/MC, check or cash
>    
>    At the Salem Inn, exit 2 off I-93 in Salem, NH
>    
>    Might be worth a trip.....

Geez, my band played at the Salem Inn on Friday and Saturday night 
that weekend, and I didn't even know this was going on!! I'll have to 
read this notes file a little more closely!

-Dan

>< Note 16.150 by UWRITE::DUBE "Dan Dube 264-0506" >
>                                -< Missed out! >-

Don't worry, Dan, you didn't miss much. I was there. Yawn.

Mike D

    Where is Guitar Center?
    
    Chong.

	I put a list of stores, addresses, & phone numbers in here,
	somewhere.  I think it's in the vendor information note.  If you
	don't live near a store they'll do mail order, too. 


	John

I picked up a YAMAHA DD5 for $68, this past weekend
at Service Merchandise. I read a note somewhere in here
that mentioned about the MIDI capabilities of this
little box.( It's not that small actually.)

It does have four drum pads and  midi out capabilities.
I connected it to my HR-16 and 'what a trip'. The pads are
'touch' sensitive. Setting midi channel and assigning the
drums pads ain't fun, but it sure beats (no pun intended) using those on the
HR-16 and now I can do my own drum rolls, etc . I think it's great
for the price. It does have it's own sounds of course but......
what you expect for the price. (BTW,Hall and Oates, and Phil Collins
recorded hit sounds with those cheesy little machines......) 

Well, if you ever complained about you drum machine pads, this
is a good alternative. The only problem I have is convincing my
2 1/2 year son, it's not his and I have should have equal time,
well after a couple of tantrums and a bout screaming and crying
he gives in and let me play it, too.

Errol (who_no_longer_have_to_repress_his_drumming_urge)

Daddy's is having what they call "Dream Rack Sale" from Nov 6 through 30.
These are among the posted sale prices that looked good to me:

ART SGE:  $549.99
Digitech DSP 128+  299.99


They are also having a drawing for a Digitech HM-4 Harmony machine

Chad

    
    
    
       Sam Ash blowout......KAWAI K1R FOR $399.00
    

After reading in the USENET that someone paid $1185 for a U20 (Daddy's
    want close to $1500 ), I asked for the name of the store that was
    selling them for that price and I got the following reply.(within
    3 hours, I am impressed.)  I have tried this keyboard out an was
    very impressed with the sounds. (not $1500 impressed though)
    
    
    
    ____________________________________________________________________________
    
    
From:	10390::"@po3.andrew.cmu.edu:dba+@andrew.cmu.edu"  7-NOV-1989 13:13:38.12
To:	phillips@panman.dec.com (Errol M. Phillips)
CC:	                                                        
Subj:	Re: Roland U-20

Two local dealers are slugging it out over the U-20, one selling it for
$1185, the other for $1186.50. They are Hollywood Music & Sound at
412-771-3060 and Pianos n' Stuff at 412-828-1003. I bought mine from
Hollywood because it was more convenient to do so, although I generally
prefer to do business with Pianos n' Stuff (so you could calm my guilt
by checking with them first). I've picked up three of the ROM cards for
a total of about $160, and feel I've got a nice collection of sounds now
for a total of about $1350.
 
--david
 
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RE < Note 16.157 by NWACES::PHILLIPS >

	'Course, this only helps if you're from the store's general locality - 
Roland don't do mail order...

	Dan
    

    RE.< Note 16.158>
    
    I called up the store and ask about shipping and they said no problem;
    they will ship but not pay the shipping cost.  I have also talk with
    other stores about shipping Roland gear and have not been refused
    as yet.
    
    Errol 
    

    My local music store is selling the U20 for $1189 as of last week
    11/3. THe store is Russo music located in Trenton N.J. I don't have
    their phone handy but will be happy to get it to you. They are located
    very close to exit 7A of the NJ turnpike and about 30 mins from
    Philly and 45 mins from NY.
    
    Gary Ryan
    DTN 332-3999

>    Yamaha CP-60M electric upright (real strings and all) with MIDI, last
>    shipment ever from Japan, now only $500 (marked down from $3K!!!).
>    Doesn't include semi-trailer to cart it 8^)  8^)  8^)

I've played John Middleton's CP-60M.  It's a super nice object.  76 keys, a
very nice action, and real strings.  Also, it has the most amazing Bahaus
styling--I practically have to get one for that, alone.

If only I hadn't sworn off of gizmos that provide MIDI-out only. :-)

	Eirikur


	

	(I meant to put this in here last week, but better late than never.)
	
	The Sam Ash flyer I received last Tuesday (11/14/89) has an item
	that might be of interest to anyone who would like a MIDI keyboard
	with real piano feel:  the Yamaha CP60M, $499.95 (US), shipping
	and tuning *not* included.

	For those of you who are unfamiliar with the unit, it is a 76 key
	upright electric piano with the following features:

		o  real strings
		o  MIDI output
		o  line outputs
		o  one pedal
		o  seven band eq for the line output, defeatable
		o  covered in black Tolex

	We bought ours years ago and my son (the keyboard player in the
	family) loves it.  He often uses it to drive his ESQ-1 (which fits
	neatly on top of the CP60M) because it has the best action of any
	MIDI keyboard he's tried.

	Pros:

		o  real piano action, therefore real piano feel
		o  MIDI out
		o  velocity sensitive
		o  compared to a standard piano, easy to move:  it's on
		   casters, has fold-out handles, the keyboard and pedal
		   fold into the lower unit, and it fits in a Dodge
		   Caravan

	Cons:

		o  not easily portable (takes two people and a van or truck)
		o  needs tuning (it uses piano strings)
		o  when used standalone (not as a MIDI keyboard), needs
		   amplification to produce significant levels
		o  as an SGU, it produces only one sound:  piano
		o  no aftertouch

	Anyhow, for $499.95 (plus shipping and, when you get it, tuning)
	it's a good deal for anyone who would like a MIDI keyboard with
	real piano feel.  Of course I wouldn't suggest carting it around
	to gigs.  It's more for the person who wants a nice MIDI keyboard
	to use at home.

	According to the Sam Ash flyer, the original list price was $2995.
	Also, for what it's worth, the flyer says this is the final import
	shipment of CP60M pianos.

 
About those Yamaha CP60-M pianos.  I just called in an order for two.  One for
me, one for a holiday gift for my sister.  Sam Ash initially wanted $150.00 for
shipping on, but when they heard I wanted two, I got a significant price break.
I think they are ready to deal on these things, so you might make a lower offer.
I don't have them yet, but I paid $850.00 for two units, delivered.


	Eirikur   (Anybody know where to get/order a piano tuning hammer?)

>>Anybody know where to get/order a piano tuning hammer?

I don't know if it is still true or not, but when I tried to get a tuning
hamer about 5 years ago it was difficult. The piano tuners' guild (look up
the definition to get all the connotations) can be pretty tight with
the piano repair supply shops. I just called shops from the phone book
and got a run around or outrageous prices when I couldn't verify guild
membership. Finally I found a friend's piano teacher who did
repair work on the side who could get me one.  I couldn't buy the piano
tuning books either, but retired tuners donate their books to libraries...
Some libraries have copiers too.
Dave

    Eirikur,
    
    I got my tuning hammer at New Hampshire music which you probably are 
    familiar with.
    
    The Nashua Public Library also has some decent books on how to tune
    a piano (doing it properly is both an art AND a science).
    
    	db

	-	ALERT!

	If anyone is looking to pick up some musical equipment at good prices,
run (don't walk) out to Building 19 1/5 in Natick (corner of routes 9 and 27).
They are having any incredible sale of merchandise salvaged from the Hurricane
that hit North Carolina.  Here's some examples...

	Multiverb		$266
	TX81Z			$279
	Korg SG1D	       $1199
	ProMIDIBass		$279
	Roland R5 Drum mach	$429 (missing AC adapter)

	My memory fails at to recall the others...  While some prices are 
average, if you know what you're looking for this sale could save you hundreds.
They also have guitar amps, speaker cabs (mostly Peavey), foot pedal effects,
guitars, violins, brass and woodwind instruments, lighting, cables, guitar 
stings, sampler disks, mikes, stands (mike, keyboard, speaker), lotsa rack gear,
etc.

	While there is no aftermarket support if things break down, you can
return things within thirty days for refund.  They hardly have any manuals for
the electronic gear.


	Dan

    Just got another flyer from Sam Ash.  There are some good prices,
    and a few ridiculous prices.  A sampling, for your enjoyment:

	Yamaha V50 - $1295	Roland D50   - $1395
	Kawai K4   - $1195	Kurz K1000SE - $1500
	Roland U20 - $1295	Roland U110  - $500
	Kawai K1r  - $400	Roland P330  - $370
	Roland R5  - $525	Matrix 1000  - $300

	JLCooper PPS100 MIDI -> SMPTE  - $280

    And now, for the ridiculous:

	Yamaha TX16w .... $695

-b

Brad, are there any more ridiculous prices?

:-)

Chad

    
    For those who use 2.8" Quick Disks:
    
    East Coast Sound has Maxell QDs, 10/box, $28.95
    
    800-356-5908

	Just a follow on of the MUSIC Equipment sale at building 19 (Hingham).

	I was there last night and a lot of the good stuff is gone.  There's a 
lot of guitar amps left, but the prices seem average.  A few G.A.P. guitar 
preamps (by Rocktron?) and some guitar effects processors (including a GP8).

	But by far, one of the best deals they have is still there - a DX11 for
only $389.  It looks to be in great shape and if you don't know anything about
it here's a quick low-down:  Touch sensitive, aftertouch keyboard (61 keys), 
an enhanced TX81Z sound module (enhanced with things like a Pitch Envelope 
Generator (P.E.G.), more performance and RAM memory, etc.).  This is a SUPERB
deal and if I hadn't have just bought my YS200, I'd have jumped on it.  (They
have a YS200 there, too, but it was going for something like $600 - get it at
Sam Ash for $429).

	Dan

    $389!!!
    
    Had I not just put a new water heater in my house...
    
    Edd

	In case anyone's looking...

	Union Music has some Quadraverbs for $399...

    
    A hot tip from USENET for Kawai fans:
    
    Sam Ash current prices:
    
    K1-II  $695        	K4 $995 (!!!)
    
    Who knows how long these prices are good for.....
    
    
    						Brian

It looks like Lechmere is no longer going to be carrying Atari software, and 
they are selling it off relatively cheap (50% off). For anyone interested, 
they had Hybrid Arts EZ-Score for only $45. I saw two of them in the 
Manchester store (one of which I hope to pick up tonight). Don't know about 
stock in their other stores.

Alan S.

    
    
      If anyone's interested, Rogue Music NY has a YAMAHA Fbo1 for $209.
    Saw it there tonight along with (2) juno106's going for $450.
    
    
    
    RC
    

    Anybody still looking for a Korg Symphony sample player:
    
    Union Music in Worcester has at least one left at $99.95.

    
    If anyone has use of one of these....
    
    Union Music in Worcester, MA is blowing out Alesis MIDI Patch Changers. 
    The tag in the store said $50, but a flyer I saw said $25.  
    

-----------------  Another final clearance of Kurzweil stuff  ------------------
                                       
		     K1000				$1199
                     K1000SE				$1299
                     K1000SE EXT			$1699
                     MIDI BOARD				$1199
                     1000HX				$399
                     1000GX				$299
                     1000PX				$449
                     1000PX PLUS			$899
                     1000AX PLUS			$899
                     HXA BOARD				$299


	     "and it's not just kurzweil! similar savings on ensoniq!"

                     EPS-M				$2295
                     ESQ1				$749

       Their "State-of-the-Art Super Sale" runs Feb. 19-Feb. 28. 
       There's a glossy flier on the way that lists some of the
       other stuff they have to move before the stuff they bought
       at NAMM shows up.  If you're in the market for new gear,
       now's probably a good time to buy, 'cause it's like the
       end of the model year in the automotive world.  Also, like
       buying cars, everything's negotiable...though they wouldn't
       admit it.

           DOD 31 band graphic EQ		$199
           BBE Sonic Processors			starting at $199
           Sennheiser MD518 (w/stand)		$179
           Yamaha S112 Club Speakers		$299/pair
           Yamaha DS55				$579
           Roland D-5				$699
           Roland MT-32				$349
           Roland S-330				$1399
           Roland A-50 (w/Proteus XR)		$2490
           Roland BX8 mixer			$349
           Brother MIDI disk			$249
           Yamaha RX-5				$649
           Roland D50				$1249
           Yamaha V-50				$1299
           TOA KD1 amp				$299
           Roland 16 chan. mixers		starting at $759
           Yamaha MC consoles			starting at $599

    RE: .179   
    
    Which Guitar Center (has the 1000PX in stock?)
    
    Also, has anyone done a listening test between the 1000PX and the 
    new Kurzweil microexpander (900MX???).  I was told by a local
    salesman that the microexpander PIANO sounds a little "thinner" than the 
    1000PX and is scaled down in features other than the rom card input. 
    Has anyone here in this conference listened to both, side by side, and
    is willing to divulge their opinion?   
    
    Thanks,
    
    Ken
    

    
    For those that need just one more reverb or for spring victims looking
    for a super-affordable reverb, Sam Ash is blowing out (and apparently
    has been for awhile) Boss RV-2 Digital Reverb stomp boxes at $74.95.
    Of course, you need an AC adapter for this box...no battery operation.
    
    

    re .179, Kurzweil blow-out -  I couldn't find 'Guitar Center' listed in
    topic #6, Music Dealer Addresses.
    
    I'm hot for a 1000HX !  Please, post the address/phone - hope they do
    mail order...
    
    thanks ! Karl

    re .182
    
    Karl:
    
    Check out .107 for the stores in Chicago,
    
    Bill

	I posted _all_ of the Guitar Center phones & addresses a while ago,
	in fact, so long ago that I can't remember where I put them.  If I
	didn't have to run out of here in a few minutes I'd search for them,
	but...

	P.S. yes, they do mail-order.

    
    
       Just got the flyer from Rogue Music (212)629-3708
    Here's some excerpts:
    
    Casio                                Oberheim
       CZ101...$179                          Matrix 6...$579    Cyclone
       CZ1000..$250                          Matrix 6r..$415    Navigator  $89
                                             Expander...$1660   Systemizer
    Emu Emulator w/midi...$535               Matrix12...$2999
    
    Ensonic                              Octave 
        SQ80...$950                           Cat...$99
        EPS....$1299                          Kitten$50 (was mine)
        Mirage.$499
        Mirack.$415                      Roland
                                              Hs60..$99
    Korg                                      Juno60$329
         707...$319                           Juno104$425
         Poly61$250                           JX10...$899
         DW8000$545                           Mks100.$469
         EX800.$165                           JX8P...$620
         M1....$1499                          MKS20..$665
         Poly6.$265                           MT32...$350
         Poly800$275 Poly 800 II..$329        S330.$1220 S550.$1655
         MS20..$300                           W30..$1659
    
      Kawai K1r..$295
    Sequential Circuits
                  Max...$205
                  6Track$229
                            
     Yamaha
        TX1p...$479
        DX7....$675   w/E!..$850
        Fb01...$209
        KX76...$650  KX88...$1229
        MEP4...$199
    
    
          
    
    RC
    
                  
    Moog 
        Liberation..$399
        Polymoog....$750
    
    
       

    
    
       Sam Ash Sale
      
    Kawai K4.........$995.95
    Roland D5........$649.95
    Roland TR505.....$199.95
    Digitech DSP-128+......$299.95
             GSP5..........$319.95
                            
    
    nothing very interesting...oh well
    
    
    
    RC
                            

   
    
     DR Sound (NYC) 212-353-0518  
    
        Has the Brother MD-1(?) sequencer/midi-filer for **$199.00**
    It has 64k onboard ram and a 3.5" diskdrive.
    
       Cheap for use as a midi filer alone. imho.
    
    RC
    

Sam Ash - 1 800 4sam ash

Guy on the phone gave the following:

Korg M1      $1495
Ensoniq EPS  $1495
Yamaha V50   $1195
Kawai K4      $975


and not so great (considering guitar centers recent sale)

Kurzweil 100 AX+ $1099


--------------------

Chad

I called them concerning the $299 Matrix 1000.  He said they were all out 
except one which they sold and the guy decided within the week he wanted 
something else -- in other words, used, for $199.95 so I ordered it.  The 
salesman said it was brand new condition.  We'll see when it comes.

    A new price posting that will be appearing regualry (maybe) in USENET. 
    Check out the mystery Proteus posting!!!
    
From: bonobo@daneel.rtech.com (David Borgman)
Subject: First MEPP (Musical Equipment Price Posting)
Date: 6 Mar 90 21:11:03 GMT
 
Here is the first MEPP list for those who are interested.  I feel this 
format gives the most important information.  Any suggestions as to how MEPP
could be improved will be welcomed!  Keep those prices coming in! Happy 
Shopping!  -David
 
Key:
Best - best price paid for equipment
Ave  - average price paid for equipment
Surv - respondents surveyed
Location - where best price was obtained.  If no location is specified, prices
quoted were "local".  There are simply too many sections of the country to 
adequately cover all the possibilities.  Remember: most "local" stores will 
gladly become "mail order" if you meet their price.  Even if your price quotes
are local, please include the store name, town and state.  Prices without 
location information are unfortunate, nonetheless it will give you some idea of
what others around the country are paying for their equipment.  When duplicate 
"best"prices are submitted, it will be computed into the average, though all 
locales cannot be indicated.  Be sure when indicating a store location to 
specify which state it's in!!
 
Paying list prices for your music purchases may constitute grounds for 
non-listing; otherwise, I would have to include every list price, and that's 
just silly!  Some list prices I can't check and therefore may be included...
Also, please try to list base option prices, in other words, try not to include
in your price any optional extras (ie: extra RAM, optional MIDI muting, etc.).
There are simply too many to contend with.
 
Equipment:		Best:	Ave: 	Surv:	Location:
 
AKG-240M Headphones 	 79			Rolls Music
AKG-240DF Headphones	 99			Rolls Music
ART SGE              	500     525	2	Nadine's (LA area?)
Alesis HR-16		325     		LaSalle Msc, Hartford CT
E-Mu Proteus/1		757 	842	3	where? (!)	
E-Mu Proteus/1 XR       1050   1107     2       Guitar Center, San Jose, CA
Fostex R-8 8-track      2100			Union Grove, San Jose, CA
Ibanez RG560            498                     Music Emporium
Kawai K1		640 			Eastcoast Sound, CT 
Kawai K1-II		695	747	2	Sam Ash
Kawai K4		995	995     2       Sam Ash, K&K Music, SJ, CA	
Korg M1 Keyboard        1798                    Guitar Showcase, SJ, CA
Korg M1Rex              1895                    E. U. Wurlitzer, Boston
Korg M3r		995			Music Emporium (mail order)
Korg P3			199			Sam Ash
Korg SG-1D		2400			San Diego CA (what store?)
Korg T3			2595			Sam Ash
Kurzweil K-1000	 	1295			Herme's Music (city?)
Kurzweil Px-1000	699	831	3	Guitar Center, Seattle, WA
Roland A880		295			Robb's Music (Boulder,CO)
Roland D-20 (w/ stand)  1250			Rolls Music, Falls Church VA
Roland MKS-50	 	200			Thoroughbred Music, FL
Roland P-330		300			Sam Ash
Roland R-5 Drum Mach.	500 (incl S&H)		ABK Rocks, Sepulveda, CA
Roland U-20		1185	1267	4	Hollowood Music, Pitts. PA
Roland U-220		695     763     3       Woodwind and Brasswind (mail)
SampleVision         	259			Music Solution (mail)
Tannoy PBM-6.5		270/pr   272    2       Sam Ash
Tannoy PBM-8            375/pr			Sam Ash
Tascam 688 MIDI studio	2650    2650    2       K & K Music, San Jose, CA
Tascam TSR-8 8-track	2675    2787    2       Guitar Center, San Jose, CA
Yamaha YS-200		395			Musician's Co-op (mail-order)

Rice Music has more ROLAND inventory than they know what to do with.  
Therefore, they've priced several items at discount to move them out...

*** All gear is ROLAND unless otherwise noted *** 

-Jeff

EQUIPMENT		PRICE
-------------------------------
MC-500 MKII		$1152.39
U-110			$ 695.00
P-330			$ 895.00
MKS-20			$ 695.00
MKS-70			$1495.00
MT-32			$ 381.99
D-5			$ 574.59
D-10			$ 831.39
D-20			$1152.39
D-50			$1357.69
D-110			$ 510.39
R-5			$ 432.80
W-30			$1805.84
M-160			$ 702.99
CD-5			$1284.99
A-50			$1183.72
GR-50			$ 958.00
VP-70			$ 923.99
DEP-3			$ 395.00
E-20			$1344.99
E-10			$ 895.59
KR-33			$1395.99
700			$1395.00
800			$2095.00
MT-100			$ 647.48
2500s			$2895.99
3500s			$3895.99
RC-3			$ 111.55

KORG POLY800		$ 395.00
KORG DW-8000		$ 895.00
KORG CONCERT 5000	$1895.99


RICE MUSIC
1713 South Eighth Street
Colorado Springs, CO 80906

(719) 634-3717
 800-444-RICE

Just heard from Rick Watson at Caruso's.  He's got a slightly used
Roland A80 controller for $1595.  Considering that they list for
about $2600 and they go new for > $1900 at least, it's a pretty
great deal for a 1 month old machine.

They've also got some other interesting used stuff - some MemoryMoogs (!),
Korg CX3 organ, and the greatest prices around on all sorts of stuff.

Call 'em - 203-442-9600.  Tell him I sent ya.

andy

    I got a 'GRAND OPENING SALE' flier from E.U. Wurlitzer and believe it
    or not check this out - E-MU PROTEUS XR - $899.  Last month the sales
    people were not will to deal or sell one for $1000.
    
    Anyway this sale is to celebrate the opening of the Commonwealth Ave
    store. It is close to BU. There is other stuff in the flier, however
    I was not familiar with their prices and as such did not know if they were
    good deals.
    
    Here is another Tascam - Porta 5.....$349
    Also JL Cooper MSB + REV 2 .....     $249
    BTW String set guages 9's & 10's any quantity
    GHS, Dean Markley,D-ADDARIO, Ernie Ball  $2.99 a set
    
    Opoopps, I guess they are moving to that new location.
    
    Errol
    
    NB: Price and availability subject to change without notice.
    Well, you know what that means....They just sold the last unit to Joe
    Smoe.

    
    For anyone looking for something this weird:
    
    Gordon's Music, on Main St. In Worcester MA has a Hagstrom Swede bass
    *with* the Patch 2000 foot controller, used, hanging on the wall.  I
    forgot the price already but it was $400-ish.  Just the thing to patch
    into yer ARP 2600.....
    
    						Brian

From: cfr@well.sf.ca.us (Carl Resnikoff)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Ensoniq blowout
Message-ID: <16899@well.sf.ca.us>
Date: 27 Mar 90 17:35:43 GMT
Reply-To: cfr@well.UUCP (Carl Resnikoff)
Organization: here
Lines: 11
 
I just received a Guitar Center flyer advertising an Ensoniq blowout:
EPS:	$1019
EPS-M:	$1679
VFX:	$999    etc.
 
I'm not especially a fan of either Ensoniq or Guitar Center, but for someone
looking for an entry level sampler these prices seem pretty decent.
 
	Carl Resnikoff
	cfr@well.sf.ca.us
	{apple, hplabs, pacbell}!well!cfr
    

W-30 price at Daddy's mistake.  Big sign says they are sorry.

It was their mistake.  Their flyer says $1199

Really should be $1999

Chad

    Does anyone know what the going used price is for an HR-16 and an 
    Octapad?
    
    --mikie--

    HR-16 - $250ish
    
    Edd

A used Octapad (Pad-8) went for $369 recently.   /Mitch

    
    
       April sale at Doctor Sound 1-800-287-Sound
    
      Kawai K4..$995.00           Casio VZ-1  $699.95
            K4r $795.00           Brother MDI-40 $199.95   
    
      Anatek Pocket merge(2in,1 out) $69.95
             Pocket thru.............$29.95
    
    

               Highlights from the latest Guitar Center Flyer:
                                      
     Tascam 238 & some extra stuff: rackmount effects stand, powered
     speakers & some cables $1399

     with the purchase of any April "Sneak Peek" package - $199: Aural
     Exciter Type C by Aphex, BBE Sonic Enhancer 422, Audio Logic MT66
     Compressor/Limiter, or DOD Graphic EQ

     Kawai K-1 II $699
     Kawai K1-R $399
     Kawai PH-50 $299
     Korg M-1 $1599 with "free" DF-1 disk drive

     Rockman Soloist $99
     Nady 101 wireless $149
     Samson VLP wireless $169

     dbX 163x compressor/limiter $99
     dbX 463x noise gate $99

     They also have something called a "MIDI Kiti" by Kat, which appears
     to be some kind of controller that lists at $399.  No price shown in
     the flyer, but if you've got some triggers and no brain maybe this is
     for you...

 
From: webster.WBST207V@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: prices on lots of synths
Date: 3 May 90 17:57:26 GMT
 
 
I've seen a lot of requests for prices on synths in the last couple days.
A while ago somebody made a list of "best prices", and I kept a copy and
tried to keep it current.  Since it's been a while since the list was last
posted, I'll post my version.  Updates welcomed and encourage -- I saved
$150 on a Proteus last month ($757 -- House of Guitars, Rochester NY
matched Audio Images in San Francisco).
 
marc webster
 
--------------------------
 
 
-- File: SynthPrices.text - last edit:
-- Webster:Wbst207V:Xerox  3-May-90 13:50:16
 
 
Equipment:	        Price: 	Location:				Date:
 
AKG-240M Headphones 	 79	Rolls Music				Feb 90
AKG-240DF Headphones	 99	Rolls Music				Feb 90
ART SGE              	500     Nadine's (LA area?)			Feb 90
Alesis 1622		650	Skip's Music (Sacramento, CA) 		Mar 90
Alesis HR-16		325     LaSalle Msc, Hartford CT		Feb 90
Alesis MMT-8		299	--					Feb 90 
Alesis Midiverb 3	250	--					Feb 90
Alesis Quadraverb	375	--					Feb 90
ART SGE			$449	Howard Goldman's Musician Survival 	Apr 90
ART SGE mach II		$620	K&K Music, San Francisco 		Feb 90
Boss BX-16		525	--					Feb 90 
Boss PX-16		600	--					Feb 90
Digital MX-8		275	--					Feb 90
E-Mu Proteus/1		757 	Audio Images, San Francisco, CA		Feb 90
E-mu Proteus/1		757	House of Guitars, Rochester, NY		Apr 90
E-mu Proteus/1		895	New York, NY				Feb 90
E-Mu Proteus/1 XR       1050	Guitar Center, San Jose, CA		Feb 90
Ensoniq EPS 		1019	Guitar Center				Feb 90
Ensoniq EPS-M 		1679	Guitar Center				Feb 90
Ensoniq VFX 		1610	--					Feb 90
Ensoniq VFX 		999	Guitar Center				Feb 90
Fostex 250 4-trk	1000	--					Feb 90
Fostex 812 12 X 8 Mixer 1400	--					Feb 90
Fostex R-8 8-track      2100	Union Grove, San Jose, CA		Feb 90
Hafler 500		375	--					Feb 90
Ibanez RG560            498	Music Emporium				Feb 90
Ibanez RG750 w/case	615	--					Feb 90
JL Cooper MIDI p/bay	275	--					Feb 90
Kawai K1		640 	Eastcoast Sound, CT 			Feb 90
Kawai K1r		399 	Bananas at Large			Apr 90 
Kawai K1-II		695	Sam Ash					Feb 90
Kawai K3m		200	--					Feb 90
Kawai K4		995	Sam Ash, K&K Music, SJ, CA		Feb 90
Kawai K4r		775	--					Feb 90
Kawai K5		800	--					Feb 90
Kawai K5r		400     --					Feb 90
Kawai M8000		1330    --					Feb 90
Korg M1 		1450	--					Apr 90
Korg M1 		1495	--					Feb 90
Korg M1			1695	Daddy's Junky Music Store (Salem, NH)	Feb 90
Korg M1 	        1798	Guitar Showcase, SJ, CA			Feb 90
Korg M1R		1350	Feb 90					Feb 90
Korg M1Rex              1895	E. U. Wurlitzer, Boston			Feb 90
Korg M3r		995	Music Emporium (mail order)		Feb 90
Korg P3			199	Sam Ash					Feb 90
Korg SG-1D		2400	San Diego CA (what store?)		Feb 90
Korg T3			2500	Sam Ash					Feb 90
Kurzweil Gx-1000	495	--					Feb 90
Kurzweil Hx-1000	595	--					Feb 90
Kurzweil K-1000	 	1295	Herme's Music (city?)			Feb 90
Kurzweil K-1000 SE Ext	1670	--					Feb 90
Kurzweil Px-1000	699	Guitar Center, Seattle, WA		Feb 90
Kurzweil PX sound block	 95	Albuquerque				Apr 90
Lexicon LPX-5		396	--					Feb 90
Lexicon LXP-5		400	--					Feb 90
OpCode Galaxy		175	Sam Ash					Apr 90
OpCode Vision		320	Sam Ash					Apr 90
Rhodes 660 (like U-20)  1095	--					Feb 90
Roland A880		295	Robb's Music (Boulder,CO)		Feb 90
Roland D-20 (w/ stand)  1250	Rolls Music, Falls Church VA		Feb 90
Roland D-550		775	Ace Music (Dayton, OH)			Mar 90
Roland DEP-3 Effects	510	--					Feb 90
Roland MKS-20		495	--					Feb 90
Roland MKS-50	 	200	Thoroughbred Music, FL			Feb 90
Roland MKS-80		800	Ace Music (Dayton, OH)			Mar 90
Roland MT-32		390	--					Feb 90
Roland Octapad 80	560	--					Feb 90
Roland P-330		300	Sam Ash					Feb 90
Roland R-5		480	Thoroughbred Music	       		Jul 89
Roland R-8 		700	Bowling Green, OH			Apr 90
Roland SDE1000 Delay	400	--					Feb 90
Roland U-110		525	Boulder, Colorado       		Feb 90
Roland U-110            500	--					Feb 90
Roland U-20		1149	Hollowood Music, Pitts. PA		Feb 90
Roland U-220		695     Woodwind and Brasswind (mail)		Feb 90
SCI Prophet 600		1200	--					Feb 90
SampleVision         	259	Music Solution (mail)			Feb 90
TOA 12" Monitors        400/pr	--					Feb 90
TOA MX-101		275	--					Feb 90
TOA MX-601		650	--					Feb 90
Tannoy PBM-6.5		270/pr  Sam Ash					Feb 90
Tannoy PBM-8            375/pr	Sam Ash					Feb 90
Tascam 688 MIDI studio	2650    K & K Music, San Jose, CA		Feb 90
Tascam TSR-8 8-track	2675    Guitar Center, San Jose, CA		Feb 90
Yamaha Clavinova CLP300 2100	--					Feb 90
Yamaha NS10M Monitors	355/pr	--					Feb 90
Yamaha SPX-1000		1100	--					Feb 90
Yamaha SY55             995	--					Feb 90
Yamaha SY77		2400	--					Feb 90
Yamaha TG55 Tone Module	800	--					Feb 90
Yamaha TX16W		750	--					Feb 90
Yamaha YS-200		395	Musician's Co-op (mail-order)		Feb 90
 
 
 
Used
Oberhiem Xpandr		1600	a little high, but not unreasonable
Roland JX		700
Roland S-550		1300
Roland D-50		850
Yamaha DX-7 (original)	500
 
Veneman Music 301-762-5100 	Good Results
Caruso - 203-442-9600		Good Results
Profound - 800-63S-OUND		Minimal experience
Rhythm City - 404-237-9552	OK Results
 
------------------

Daddy's Nashua has what looks to be a good deal on the TX16W sampler.

They have a used Yamaha sampler model TX16W with an extra memory board
and at least 70 sample disks for $995.

This unit has 3meg total memory.

The recent blowout was $695 at various places.  Memory expansions (3rd party) 
are about $350 (Y* about $380 at Carusos a month ago) and buying the sample
library is list $200.  Even if you just bought raw  disks and copied them 
yourselves that would be at the cheapest $30-40 plus time.  That brings us close
to $1100.  So this is a good deal if you are looking for a sampler.  

I own one of these units and like it a lot.

Chad

Hi there !

Does anybody know a place where with a good offer for a CASIO MG510 in Boston
area ??

	thanks

		Richard

Just spoke to Rick at Caruso's; he said a number of people from DEC had
called regarding a Kawai K5 module.  Well, he's got one for $550.

Call him at 203-442-9600.

/andy

I got a flyer from MIDI CONNECTION listing a software blowout of mostly
older programs.  Prices looked good.  Here is a sampling (there are two full 
pages worth):

what                  was    now

IBM
---

Bacchus DX7/TX816    $125.00   $19.00

Dr. T.s D110, D50, K3, MT32   $129.00   $39.00

Passport Mastertracks PC    $395.00     $79.00

Soundquest ( along list of editors)   $145.00/$175.00     $39.00

Mac
----


CODA  Mac Drums       $60.00      $10.00
      Music Prose    $249.00     $149.00
      many fonts      $49/$69     $10.00

Dr. Ts D50, MT32      $129.00     $39.00

Intelligent Music Jam Factory   $249.00    $49.00

Passport  Clicktracks      $495.00     $99.00
          NOtewriter         ""         ""

Zero One  (various editors/librarians and librarians standalone)   
                     $199/$149      $29.00/$19.00

Amiga
------

Dr Ts.   gobs    $149.00     $25.00   (editors)

Electronic Arts  DMCS   $120.00    $30.00

   Deluxe photo lab      $179.00     $35.00

Mimetics  various   various     various

Soundquest  Texture I      $150.00      $25.00
            Texture II     $200.00      $40.00
           gobs of editors  $145.00/$175.00    $25/$35
             TX81Z        $99       $20

Atari
------


Command devlopment M1     $200.000   $49.00

Comus  Big band            $300   $59
       Studio 24           $225   $45
       Big band/studio 24  $525   $89

Dr. Ts
       Various editors       $129     $29/$39

Hybrid Arts    various   various   various

MIDI mouse  editors  $100    $19
             Mousterpiece    $229     $59
             ultra mouse     $229    $59

Passport   Master Tracks Junior   $99      $49

Steinberg  Twelve     $89     $29

Soundquest   editor    $145     $39

There was also Apple II GS and C64/128 stuff  

There is also stuff for the listed machines that I didn't list


Their number is 1-800-766-MIDI

disclaimer:
I am not affiliated with them at all.  I just somehow got a flyer.

Chad      

    Peavey DPM-3 Keyboard - $1950  at a local CT music shop.

    CARUSO's bought out a bunch of stuff from Kurzweil. What they have left
    is:
    
    Sx	(strings)	499
    Hx	(horns)		499
    Ax plus (both h&s)  699
    
    These are 24 note Multitimbral, fully warranteed
    
    Talk to Tony Walstra. Caruso's # 203-442-9600
    

>                    <<< Note 16.210 by HPSCAD::RFACCENDA >>>
>                       -< Kurzweill expanders @Caruso's >-
>    Sx	(strings)	499
>    Hx	(horns)		499
>    Ax plus (both h&s)  699
>    These are 24 note Multitimbral, fully warranteed
    
	No, they're not.  They're *20* note multitimbral.
    
    karl
    
    (still a smokin' deal, though)    
    

    
    
      Sam Ash Casio Midi Guitar Blowout!!!
                   
    
      PG380 guitar synth w/built in VZ10 .....$729.95
    
      MG510 midi guitar.......................$399.95
    
    
    
    RichC
    

    I called them a few weeks ago (maybe three), I left a message on their
    answering machine and someone got back to me. The guy I spoke with said they
    were going out of business, thus the reason for the sale. They didn't
    have what I was looking for so I did not do any buisness them at the
    time.
    
    Errol

    Ooopps, I forget to mention, that Building 19 in Burlington have some
    musical instruments they picked up from the Boston Company,I believe.
    Well I went on Sunday, the interesting thing that were there when I
    left was: 
    an Ensoniq SQ80 for $585 or there abouts (looked used)
    Roland U20 (new) $800 +
    Roland U110 (looked used) $297
    Roland D20 (new in the box) don't remember the price
    A whole mess of them Yahama PR thingies keyboards.
    A few Electric guitars (about 6) coupla basses. Looked like beginner
    stuff. 
    2 25" Speakers and other sundry equipment.
    The neat thing about Building 19 is you can deal with them on price
    and you can return the stuff within 30 days with no explantion.
    
    Errol

    Casio has discontinued he FZ10M. Sam Ash and Manny's are blowing them
    out for $1099 and $1095 respectively.
    
    - Hoyt

    	Anybody know what's a good price on the original PAD-8 used?
    
    We don't have WANT-ADS down here in MAA.
    
    Mike

I don't know if this is reasonable but I woudn't pay more than $200.

Chad

    That's probably not reasonable Chad.
    
    Usually they are offered for around $325-$350.  That seems kind of high
    considering it's now old, but I guess it's just as useful as it ever
    was.
    
    Let's put it this way - if you see one for $200, notify me IMMEDIATELY.
    
    	db

ok
make sense

I made my remark because daddy's has/had one for I believe $279 so if daddy's
can sell it for that it is too much :-)  and I saw one in the want advertiser
for $200.  New Pad-80s OCTAPAD II are getting down there in price.

Anyway, if you find one you think is a good deal, go for it

Good luck

            <<< DNEAST::SYS$TOOLS:[NOTES$LIBRARY]COMMUSIC.NOTE;2 >>>
             -< * * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * * >-
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Ames Discount Department stores is having a giant clearance sale andgetting rid
rid of all consumer keyboards at 60 - 80 % off. I picked up a Casio MT-240
last week for $62. This week I could have gotten it for $50. Check your local
store to see what's left.

Mike

    Wow!  We got a hot one, I think!
    
    Victor Litz:
    Roland PM-16 Pad to Midi Converter  $438.75
    
    Lowest I've seen is $475 at Chuck Levin's in Washington.  They also
    have rack (drum rack) hardware for very cheap.  They do a lot of mail
    order; call for prices.  Jeff works in percussion.
    
    
    Here's the add. & phone:
    
    Victor Litz
    305 North Frederick Ave.
    Gaithersburg, MD  zip?
    
    1-800-828-5518

    P.S.  They also have keyboards, drums, guitars, etc.  I think this
    place deserves some calls if you're looking for new, low $ equipment!
    
    Mike

    Don't know if this really belongs here  (gee, as I typed that, it
    sounded in my head as if it were Dana Carvey doing George Bush...)
     	
    	Don't have all the inforMAYshun ;-)
    
    Sorry...
    
    Anyway - what should I expect to pay for the following type of gear,
    used, in semi-decent shape?
    
    	- 8-channel stereo mixer w/eq in each channel (to be used as
    	  guitarist's submixer)
    
    	- spectrum analyzer/pink noise generator/multi-band eq (does anyone 
    	  make a single unit that does all this?)
    
    	- 16-channel snake
    
    FWIW - I live in the N.E. area...
    
    Thanks.
    

    What's the best price people have had on a Korg T3?
    
+b

    From USENET: price drop on Akai S1000 sampler...posting neglects to
    mention a specific dealer to go with his price quotes.  
    
    From: mbl@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU (Marc LoCascio)
Subject: Re: AKAI S1000 vs. Emax II -- Any comparison?
Date: 31 Jul 90 01:09:12 GMT
 
Akai recently (about a month ago) lowered the list price of the S1000 in
preparation for the release of the S1100.  I was quoted a price of $3063
for the bare-bones S1000 and $3790 for the 40 Meg HD version (special order
from my favorite pro-audio dealer).  The S1000 has a much better SCSI
implementation than the Emax -- it can communicate directly with a Mac via
Sound Designer or Alchemy.  If you try to use the Emax with these programs,
be prepared to spend lots of time going out for coffee.  S1000 memory
expansion is also much cheaper.  (I was recently told by Akai that they have
new memory cards that allow you to expand the S1000 RAM to 32 Meg.)  The
Emax boasts of something like 5 octaves of pitch lowering as opposed to the
S1000's 2 octaves, but the musical usefulness of this feature is pretty
marginal.  You also pay extra on the Emax II for stereo sampling, which is
standard on the S1000.  The Emax does have a nice keyboard and a sequencer,
but if you already have these things, the S1000 is a much better deal.
 
The S1100, BTW, is supposed to be shipping by the end of September, with
tons of incredible features at the same price that the S1000 used to be.
 
Marc LoCascio	(mbl@media-lab.media.mit.edu)
 
Mark of the Unicorn, Inc.
Cambridge, Mass.

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From: viking@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jon W. Backstrom)
Subject: *New* Roland D-50's for $999
Date: 2 Aug 90 02:12:16 GMT
 
An interesting postcard arrived in the mail today from Roland.  They
are announcing a sale on D-50's: $999 list from August thru October.
 
I assume you can cut your own deal for a little less than that.  If
you bring the postcard in with you when you purchase a D-50, Roland
will give you a free sound card (worth $70, supposedly).
 
Sounds good...anyone been waiting to get a good deal on a *used* D-50?
This might be your lucky day.  :-)
 
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    Re: -1
    
    I received a card in the mail from Roland announcing the same deal.
    
    Mike

    Daddy's Junky is having a keyboard sale for September.  15% off all
    stickers, new and used.
    
    VFX or D-50, your choice, $999.99, M1 for $1499.
    
    One that got away: a used MT-32 for $189 (with discount, that's about $160)
    that was already sold....
    
    						Brian

	Walked out with a Roland Pad-5 for $100 yesterday....

A flyer arrived in my mailbox sometime last week:

	Dr. T's Atari Madness Sale:

	Tran Tracks Sequences $14.95/ea, 3 for $30.  (They enclosed a
		list of available songs.)
	"M" $75 (A music synthesis tool)
	RealTime $99
	Fingers $49 (A music generation program)
	Music Mouse $35  (Mouse-based controller with some synthesis tools) 
	Tunesmith $75
	Caged Artist patch editors $45 (available for popular synths)
	Dr. T shirt $10

Prices in US$.  Extra $4 if paying by charge card.  Extra $5 for
shipping to Alaska, Hawaii, or Canada.  (617) 244-6954

Software is for Atari ST and Stacy computers.

Daddy's Nashua has a TX81z for 199 (a used model).

Is this a good price?

Chad

    
    Yes, $199 was a good price, seeing that they've been goin for around
    $250-$300 in the Want Ads, and that doesn't include any warranty.
    
    However, since they're having that sale with 15% off everything, I was
    able to pick it up last night for only $169!  A very good price and it
    works fine.  Thanks for the lead, I've been wanting to get one of these
    for a while.
    
    I actually got to the store slightly after it closed, so I didn't get
    a chance to poke around and see what else they had new/used for a good
    price, except for the already mentioned VFX or D-50 for $999.99.
    
    -TR

    
    
      Rogue Music (NYC) has some new Roland D110's for $499 each.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    RichC

    Swissvale Music (Pittsburgh  PA) announced today a price decrease for
    Yamaha TG55 to $650. Also SY55 down to $1195.
    
    Gil
    

    Well, I guess I'll ask again.
    
    What's the going price nowadays for the Korg T-series synths?  The
    Ensoniq VFX-series?
    
    While we're at it, anyone have a feel for the value of the following:
    
    	o  used Kurzweil 1000PX
    	o  used Yamaha KX76
    	o  new or used Alesis HR16
    
    Thanks.
    
+b

    > o New or used HR-16
    
    New: $395 list I believe, probably translates to ~$350 street.
    Used: $250 tops... Anything more than that you should buy new
          and get a shiney fresh warrantee.
    
    Edd

    
    I agree with Edd on the HR-16.  (Unfortunately, seeing that I was just
    trying to sell mine for ~$300.  I actually took quite a few calls on
    it though, so you probably could get a little more than $250.  I just
    decided to hang on to mine after all)
    
    On the KX76:  I know someone that bought one used 2 years ago for $650,
    granted he got a good deal on it.  Depending on condition/case incl,
    I'd say between $600-$800.
    
    The problem with the 1000PX, is that most of us know that they've been
    blown out NEW at several places for around $500.  Although I tried
    several times and could never seem to actually get one!  Also, although
    the PX holds it own, it now has the likes of U-220s and Proteus' to
    deal with, which can be had new for >$700.  Then there's Kurzweil going
    under...  If you held out you might be able to get $700-800, but you 
    should be prepared to get less / offered much less.
    
    -Tom
    

    
    Kind of a weird one....
    
    When noone else in the known universe is still selling Yamaha TX81Zs,
    Rogue Music in NYC still has 3 brand new ones at $399 (gulp).
    
    							Brian

    
    Sam Ash now has the Roland D110 for $399.
    
    							

    I stopped by the Burlington, MA Building 19 and learned that they no
    longer carry musical equipment -- that's all at the Hingham store now.
    
    - Hoyt

    For diehard Sequential Circuits fans, I spotted two keyboards in
    Worcester, MA:
    
    Six Trak  $250
    
    This is at Union Music, it's a consignment.  It looks real clean, and
    the manual comes with it.
    
    Max $149
    
    This is at Martin's Nu and Uzed.  No manual, no C64 software.  I'm sure
    he'll bargain a bit on this price.

This was the one in Nashua.

Burns

    
    	Placed my order for Proteus/1 $695.00  
    	New World Audio Express - Spoke with Jeff.
    
    	Guitar Center (Chi town - Guy May) said he'd hold any price
    	they've offered (read sale - Proteus/1 $695.00)  They don't
    	"do" plastic over the phone - wanted a money order sent to
    	them 1st.
    

    
    Sam Ash is on a roll..some heavy-duty closeouts here, folks...
    
    Casio VZ synths 
    
    VZ-10: full keyboard, 16 note poly  $460
    VZ-10M: two-space rack version  $240
    VZ-8M: single space, 8-note poly  $190 (wot, you're short $50?)
    
    Yamaha TQ5
    
    This thing is some kind of 4-op FM plus REX effects plus sequencer in a
    tabletop (aargh) package.  $200!!!!
    
    								Brian

At BJ's in Westboro MA:

Casio DH-100 Digital Horn:  $39.99

Yamaha PSR-48:		   $299.99

Only two problem here: (1) I have no idea what a PSR-48 is (there is no keyword
pointing to it in the converence).  It seems to be a full-size keyboard with
MIDI IN/OUT, but I could not determine much else from the display, and (2)
you have to be a member of BJs to get the price.  (Membership costs $25).  You
might also be able to get a "temporary pass".  They play like they are hard to
get, but I did not have any trouble.  For this, you must pay cash only and
a 5% surcharge.  (With real membership, you can pay by check).

Burns

    
    
       Here's some excerpts from the latest Rogue newsletter....
    
    
    Akai s700    	$625
         s612		$289
    Casio cz1000	$229
          cz101		$169
          cz5000	$369
          FZ1 w/2x mem	$999
    Emax HD rack	$1650
    Ensoniq mirage	$465..first version
     			$479..second version
            Dsk		$499
           mirack	$449 
           EPS 2x exp   $149
    Fender rhodes Chroma$629
    Korg DSS1		$829
    	 DW8000		$499
         EX8000		$449
         M3r		$750
         Poly800II	$289
         Lambda		$225
         Poly 61 w/midi $279
    Kurzweil midiboard  $1149
    Moog multimoog	$225
    Oberheim OBX/A	$699
             DPX1	$699
    Roland D20		$899
           D50		$895
      Juno 106		$425
      Juno 2		$529
      Juno 60		$299
      JX8P		$569
      Mks50		$349
      Mks20		$679
      MT32		$269
      P330		$395
      S330		$899
      S220		$549
      MKB200		$459
      D110		$329
    Sequential circuits                        
      6 Track		$179
      Pro One		$229
      Split 8		$250
    
    
    
    
    

        <<< Note 16.248 by GLOWS::COCCOLI "crop circle watchers inc " >>>
>       Here's some excerpts from the latest Rogue newsletter....
>    Emax HD rack	$1650
    
    AAAAAAAARGH !
    
    - when first offered, the HD upgrade for the EMAX cost $1000.
    
    - when first purchased, my floppy-only EMAX cost ME approx. $2700.
    
    karl

    C'mon, Karl, it goes with the turf.  You wanna hear my SRV-2000 sob
    story?  Sure you do.
    
    They listed at $1595.  First one (floor demo) cost me $1200.  Second one
    cost me $500.  Third one cost me $300.  All in exactly the same condition,
    all doing exactly the same thing equally well.  TANJ.
    
    len.
    

    Why can't I feel sorry for someone who has 3 SRV-2000s?
    
    :^)
    
    Edd

    Because NOBODY can, Edd.
    
    ;^)
    dp

    	Maybe everybody else already knows this, but Caruso's Music seems
    to be giving great trade-in values...  I've got an MKS-20 which I tried
    to sell in this file for $500 with no success and for which Daddy's
    offered me $200.  Caruso's gave me $500 for it towards a U-220 @$695. 
    Its not often in this market to buy a piece of equipment, use it for 2
    years and get 70% of the original price in trade.  Caruso's also
    offered me $200 for a TX81Z, which isn't a great price, but better than
    the $90 Daddy's offered and alot easier than using the want ads.
    
    	Also in the process of calling around, I found that Union Music
    has a demo U-220 for $595 if anyone is looking to save a few bucks on one.
    
    Brian
    

  I find those trade in values hard to believe... those are going used prices
  in the want ad market, they've got to turn around and hopefully sell it for
  a profit, and usually they put a limited guarantee of some sort on them as
  well.

  I can very well believe the prices offered by Daddy's, I don't know anyone
  who's been able to sell/trade in anything that made it worth it there.
  (oops, a recent note from Personell Police said to never say anything
   derogatory towards any individual, 3rd party bussiness or organization,
   but truth be known I think aside of that they are a great store to deal with)
  Ironically, (as previously noted) I bought a TX81Z from them a couple
  months ago for $169, you mean I could have turned around and sold to
  Caruso's for a profit?!!

  Hmm, I may be up for a little road trip to our good old neighbor state...

-TR

    
    Could someone give me or refer me to a file containing addresses and
    phones of these dealers that get talked about often in this file...
    Caruso's, Daddy's, Rogue, Sam Ash, ...?
    
    Thanks in advance,
    Paul
    

    	I was amazed at Caruso's offer for my MKS-20, so it's in the mail
    to them with a check for $195 and thats supposed to net me a new U-220. 
    I did buy the MKS-20 there so maybe there is a few extra $$$ to
    maintain customer loyality.  Rick (at Caruso's), said they have a
    pretty good used market in NYC.  This was all "sight unseen" and not
    even a question about the condition of the used equipment.
    
    	I did talk Daddy's into TX81Z + $200 for a D110 after a little
    haggling and a mention of the offer from Caruso's.  They wouldn't
    touch the MKS-20 though.  They claim the last few they have had have
    sold for $350.

Sounds like the old import and export trade business to me.
Didn't someone mention awhile back that old synths go for high prices
in Japan (probably other places too - I don't remember exactly)?  My guess
is that Caruso's, or Caruso's in conjunction with someone in NY, has tapped
into an export market.  Paying a little more is OK if you get a lot more
in return. Antique dealers buy up old furniture in New England and
truck it down to the southwest for similar results. Then they load up the
truck with Navaho blankets etc. and bring it back to New England.

Dave

    
    I got a post card in the mail on Friday from Wurlitzer's. They are
    having an everything in the store sale tonight from 7 PM to midnight.
    The postcard said that you must bring it gain entrance and you can
    bring two friends in with you. I don't know if they'll strict about
    that. 
    
    They also mentioned no trade-ins, they don't have the time and 10%
    down holds equipment for a month.
    
    
    I don't have the postcard here with me so this is from memory.
    I won't be going so if you live in Nashua and wants my invitation
    you are welcome.
    
    By the way it the Boston Store, Commonwealth Ave I believe.
    
    Errol
    

    Hold tight onto your cash, of course.  As I recall, stores do this every 
    once in a while.  You MIGHT find a good deal, but usually the deals are few
    and far between.  Be careful about being caught up in the frenzied
    environment they are trying to create.  Doubt they would turn away
    anyone that doesn't have a card ...
    
    Steve

    > Doubt they would turn away anyone that doesn't have a card ...
    
    I'd be willing to but money that they wouldn't (turn anyone away).
    
    Perhaps this is legitimate, but in my experience these sales are
    just to dupe people into coming into the store.
    
    Any MIDIholic knows that just being in the store makes you very prone
    to buying something.  The stores know it too.

    Well, I went to the Wurlie's midnight madness sale last night, and it
    was a waste of time. It was crowded alright, and the prices were about
    %5 lower than normal for them. It was just a big hype job. :(
    
    Chris

    Congratulations on keeping your head on straight!  :)
    
    Steve

re: .258

Dave, the latter part of your theory makes sense to me (the furniture - blankets
scenario) but I have a hard time believing used synths over here would be
worth *more* over in Japan.  I know you didn't say it, but whoever did, why??
Especially things like the TX81Z and MKS-20, weren't they manufactured in
Japan?  Why would they be worth more after bouncing across the seas?  Not
to mention incompatabilities powerwise/etc.  I'm not trying to jump all over
you, just wondering, if Japan was not meant then where?

I am curious in the Japanese market however, seeing that I'll be going over
there for 10 days in the end of November.  Would it be worth bringing something
over there with me?  Would it be worth buying something over there and
bringing it back?

Thanks for any explanation / tips.

-TR

    This is becoming a rathole....
    
    The thing about the Japanese market is that old *American* synths
    (MiniMoogs, Prophets, Obies, etc.) are pulling big $$.  That's because
    there weren't a lot imported so that there are practically no used ones
    available there.  Those guys in CA who MIDIfy the old Moogs, etc.
    supposedly sell a lot of their stuff over there.
    
    							Brian

        <<< Note 16.266 by ULTRA::BURGESS "Mad man across the water" >>>
          -< I thought I saw a deccie with a D110 under his arm too >-


	Daddie's  (or is it "Daddy's" ?, doesn't matter)  will match 
Caruso's prices  -  at least they will in Nashua NH

	- at least, they did last night

		- at least, they did with at least ONE customer

			- at least, they did on a R_word product



	R	{different R}

    
    I happened to meet a Roland rep at lunch.  The current price everywhere
    for the D-110 seems to be $399, MT32s are $299 at Wurlitzer's in MA,
    probably similar elsewhere.  The rep says these are due to wholesale
    prices being lowered by Roland.  He has heard of no replacements but
    pointed out that with the age of the units, these are obviously to sell
    off inventory. Wurlitzer's says the price will hold at least until
    Christmas.  They have plenty to move, so apparently does everyone in
    the USA.  
    
    							Brian

re      <<< Note 16.268 by AQUA::ROST "Neil Young and Jaco in Zydeco Hell" >>>
>                -< Roland Price Drops Extended to D-110, MT-32 >-

    
>    I happened to meet a Roland rep at lunch.  The current price everywhere
>    for the D-110 seems to be $399, MT32s are $299 at Wurlitzer's in MA,
>    probably similar elsewhere.  The rep says these are due to wholesale

	I dunno what that other deccie paid for the D110 or what is 
being asked for them at the various outlets;  he's in here from time
to time, maybe he'll give us a mini review of it later.  He seems to
have buying patterns similar to my own;  "wait for the end of the
intro pricing - pent up demand - nothing on the market to touch it -
this blows everything else away - everything else is now consumer gear
- phase"  then jump in when the next wave is just getting introduced,
keep it for a couple of years, sell it before it is junk (-: 

	Anyway, he knows who I'm talking about  - -  come in and tell 
us about it  (-:, (-:


	Reg	{I guess I have a multi vendor distributed system}

    
    	I have a friend who knows a guy(where have I heard this before),
    who has a couple of ARP Solus & PRO-DGX Synth's that he picked up when
    ARP went out of business.  My friend has a chance to buy them but
    doesn't know what they are really worth.  Does anyone out there have
    any idea of what would be a reasonable price for these.  I realize they
    are non-midi, ancient, mono monsters but they are essentially new,
    unused.  Do they have any value as a collectors item?
    
    Kevin

    Is $300 US for a JX3P a decent deal ?  Saw one in Tucson's want ads
    this Sunday - yesterday..
    
    thanks.. karl

    Yeah, it's equitable *if* it has the upgrade... If not, the upgrade
    could push you up to $375 or so, which is too much...
    
    Edd

    Hampshire Music in Nashua (on Amherst St) now has a banner across
    the front, "Liquidation Sale".
    
    Now, for *years* this place had a banner saying "Half price sale",
    but they were talking about their usual discounts off list.  The old
    banner has been gone for some time.
    
    The new Liquidation banner is new.

    Yes, Harry really claims to be going out of business, although he says
    it won't be for several months.  His advertising flyer says something
    like "Due to circumstances beyond our control".  I suspect he is
    talking about the fact the both Nashua and Milford school departments
    decided to give instrument contracts to some company from MA rather
    than to him this year.
    
    BTW, for those of you who don't know (and love?) Hampshire Music, here
    is what you need to know before driving long distances:  HM is probably
    the most unorganized store you have ever seen.  Well, maybe not the
    most:  Music is generally in alphabetical order, but you never quite
    know what you are going to find.  In general, they don't know either.
    The "hardware" is quite a different matter.  They generally know what
    they have, but it is impossible to find anything without help.
    
    So the long and short of it is, if you like to poke around places like
    this, by all means come.  For most everything, though, you are probably
    best off not having your heart set on a specific piece, brand, etc etc.
    
    BTW, they do have some odds and ends of MIDI-capable keyboards, as well
    as band instruments, guitars, amps, misc electronics, even a few
    orchestra instruments.
    
    Anyway, it will be interesting to see what really happens...
    
    Burns
    
    Burns
    

    
    
      Sam Ash Sansui Sale....
    
    
      They're blowing out that Six track cassette "workstation" with
    built in 8(?) channel mixer and dual cassette mixdown
                             for $589.00
    
      Also a stereo rackmount eq (looks like 2 spaces) 10 bands per
    channel for an incredible..
                                  $79.00
    
    
      Sorry I don't have Model #'s or specs, but I just glanced at the
    paper last night and don't have it with me.
                            
    
    
    
    
    RichC
    

Bradlees is having a sale on consumer-oriented Kawai keyboards - 50% off!

The three listed in the ad (today's Boston Globe):

MS510 (49 mid-size keys)	reg.  $99.99 	now  $49.99
FS630 (61 full-size keys)	reg. $199.99	now  $99.99
FS650 (61 full-size keys,	reg. $269.99	now $134.99
       w/programmable ad-lib and real-time recorder - whatever that means....)

Sale is on for Thursday, Friday and Saturday only (Dec. 13th-15th).

alan

    
    re: Hampshire Music - Harry also has a somewhat amazing amount of sheet
    music to browse thru. I've promised my daughters an excursion to hunt
    interesting alto-sax and clarinet goodies.
    
    	bob
    

    And don't forget to look upstairs.  Lots of SATB choral stuff, brass
    quartets, and that kind of thing.  Also much stuff arranged for
    school orchestra.

  Daddy's is having a clearance sale for the month of January,
  some stuff off the flyer:

  Ensoniq VFX (not SD) Keyboard $899  (55% off)
  Tascam Porta 05 4 track $389  (save $110)
  HR-16 drum machine - a price so low they can't publish it!  (yeah, right)

  Shure SM58 mics $99  (39% off)
          57	  $89  (30% off)

  Pro Co. Pro Glow neon cables 10 ft $9,  18.5 ft $10

  Audio Technica ATH-909 headphones $40  (50% off)

  DOD DSP-256 Multi-FX $369  (30% off)

  All electric guitar strings 3 for $11, acoustic are 3 for $13

  Korg PSS-60 Super Section Rhythm Machine $199  (75% off!)

  Mid Atlantic Racks  12 space $70,  16 spc $80

  Single tier keyboard stands $30  (52% off)


  That's most of them, there's a few others plus a listing of used stuff
  with 2,300 other used items in stock.

-TR

    re: last reply
    
    The HR-16 drum machine is on sale for $299 at Daddy's.

Hey folks- seems like every other hot price quote is from Sam Ash! Not being on
his mailing list, I'd like to call him and alter that little detail.

(Seeing as how it looks like *everybody* else is in on this one, I can hardly
wait to count the note collsions...)

Thanks all.

Cheers,
	Bob

Hey folks- anyone ever wanna play with a wind controller, but didn't wanna
shell out the required moolah?

The "pro" version (tee-hee) of the (somewhat infamous) DH-100 Casio Digital
Horn, the DH-200, is being sold by the mail-order house (liquidator, really)
Damark, at: (drum roll, please...)

$39.99!!!!! ($6.50 Shipping and Handling)

Yeah, I know about the relatively pathetic MIDI implementation and lack of
really woodwind-like timbre control and the like, but then I haven't seen any
of the whiz-bang Y-word controllers for a well-it'd-be-fun-to-play-with price,
either. Since my woodwind "chops" are for recorder and pennywhistle anyway, I
don't expect to lose much!

I'm presuming that the DH200's MIDI implementation is identical to the DH100's.
The only difference I know of for sure is that the 200's case is flat black
plastic, not fake chrome. I thought I read quite a while back that the keys
were sturdier, but not fer sure.

I was pleased to find the DH100 note which mentioned the MIDI implementation.
Even if I'm willing to accept the limitations, it's nice to *know* them! For
them as don't feel like looking them up, I've extracted them from note 1141.9:

   MIDI implementation:
    
    	Channel 1 only, OMNI off, POLY on (mode 3), MONO output.
    
    	Outputs key on, off, velocity. Also prog change 1-5. 
    
    	There is one other controller number available, I forgot which
    one it is, it is NOT pitch bend.
    
    	You cannot change the key map, but transpose works over the
    MIDI.


If you've bothered to scroll down this far, you're probably interested, so
here's Damark's number: 1-800-729-9000. As of my order, they show about 2000 of
the little suckers in stock, so you probably have a few minutes anyway.

Happy tooting.

Cheers,
	Bob

The other feature in the implementation is controller velocity...you get these
events when you vary how hard you blow.  Of course, you ALWAYS vary how hard
you blow, so there are always a zillion of these little suckers in the MIDI
stream.  I just filter them out.  This thing is not good for subtlty, folks.

BTW, the default fingering is like a recorder (a bit like a sax, actually,
except that it does not have all the keys.)

Burns
(Who paid $39.99 for a DH100 last summer)

    So other than the colour, what's the difference between the DH100 and
    the DH200? Or is there no other difference?
    
    Maybe this should be in another note! Oh ,well.
    
    Errol(who_needs_one_more_axe_to_add_to_the_arsenal)

>    Maybe this should be in another note! Oh ,well.

NOTE 1141 is the note for dh-100 questions.

As a recorder player since the age of 7, I couldn't resist.  I ordered one,
and I'll let you know...

					-Jeff

    Wine Country Productions is the company that bought up the service
    inventory of Sequecntial Circuits when that company went under.  I just
    received their latest catalog.  In addition to spare parts they also
    sell samples, patches, manuals and even used Prophets.  Some of the
    listed stuff:
    
    Prophet 3000 sampler $1999 (not marked used, I assume they are new)
    
    Prophet VS, used $1999
    
    Prophet 5, used, with MIDI upgrade and road case $1999
    
    Prophet 10 or T8, used, $2499
    
    Prophet 2000 sampler, used $1449 (keyboard or rack version)
    
    Studio 440 sampler/drum machine/sequencer, used $1999
    
    Sample disks for all Prophet samplers $10-15
    
    Owner's or service manuals for any Sequential product $20-45
    
    Patch carts for Prophet VS $99 (ROM), $137 (RAM)
    
    Patch cassettes $25
    
    Curtis chips for Prophets $45
    
    Custom chips $45-75
    
    Pots $10, Knobs $8
    
    MIDI retrofit kits for Prophet 5 or 10 $249 (installation is $99)
    
    Firmware PROMS $49
    
    Wine Country is begining to offer MIDI kits for other dinosaur synths. 
    I asked for a quote on the ARP Odyssey. The kit is $399 (!!!) and will
    be shipping in April.  Other kits to be offered include ARP 2600,
    MiniMoog.
    
    Wine Country Productions
    1572 Park Crest Court #505
    San Jose, CA 95118
    USA
    
    408-265-2008
    FAX 408-266-6591

    
    I chased down the information.  They can be reached at the old K. Music
    Systems phone number (617) 893-5900.  The prices are goodish, but not
    incredible:
    
    K250RMX: $4080.00
    1000PX:  $550.00
    1000SX:  $550.00
    other 1000-series rack modules at the same price.
    
    The deal is walk-in only, as I understand it.  I didn't press for
    further info, since the prices were not sufficiently tempting.
    
    
    

    
    Hi,
    
    
    Sears Surplus store in the Trenton NJ area is selling Yamaha DD5
    drum pads for $45. Normally around $80. Looks like a close out, they
    had about 15 sealed boxes..
    
    
    If your interested in one of these toys, you may want to check your
    local Sears Surplus or possibly regular Sears store.
    
    

    Got a flyer from Wine Country on their series of MIDI upgrade kits.
    Prices do *not* include installation (installation is not being offered
    anyway, except for Prophets), instructions may be purchased for $5
    (refundable on purchase of kit).  All kits operate in OMNI or POLY
    modes, all 16 channels, program select, pitch and mod wheels, sustain,
    aftertouch, velocity and controller #4 (foot pedal).  CC#4 routes to
    VCA or VCF. aftertouch may be routed to modulation.  Poly instruments
    and drum boxes have IN/OUT/THRU, mono synths have IN/OUT only. 60 day
    warranty, no refunds or cancellations, prepayment required (i.e. they
    are probably built to order).
    
    Some of these kits cost more than the boxes they go into....
    
    Oberheim OB-X, OB-Xa, OB-8		$499
    Prophet 5 (V2 and V3)		$499
    PPG Wave 2.2			$499
    Korg Polysix, Trident		$499 (no OUT on Trident)
    Memorymoog				$499
    Roland Jupiter 8, Juno 6/60		$509
    Roland Vocoder			$399 (no OUT)
    Yamaha PF10/15			$315 (no IN)
    Yamaha YP40 Clavinola		$315
    Rhodes Chroma			$559
    Linndrum				$419
    Linn 9000				$219
    Oberheim DMX			$419
    Roland TR808			$419
    Roland TR606			$449 (no OUT)
    Minimoog				$399
    Moog Prodigy, Source		$409
    Oberheim OB-1, CPS-1		$409
    Sequential Pro One			$399
    Roland SH5, System 100, System 700, SH101
    					$419
    Arp Odyssey, 2600			$399
    Yamaha CS15				$499
    Roland TB303 Bassline		$449
    
    Contact:
    Wine Country Productions
    1572 Park Crest Court Suite 505
    San Jose, CA 95118
    USA
    
    408-265-2008
    FAX 408-266-6591

From: alain.lachapelle@rose.uucp (ALAIN LACHAPELLE)
Subject: Synclavier anyone?
Date: 19 Jun 91 00:14:00 GMT
 
  Allan McCarthy, formely of Men Without Hats, is selling his Synclavier
II.  The following is the ad he gave me.  If you're interested, you can
reach him directly in Montreal (see address and phone below) or you can
leave me a note.
 
                ..................................
 
FOR SALE:       Synclavier II Digital Music System.
 
Includes:       ABLE Mainframe Computer -Original Processor-
                64K Memory (2x32K Cards)
                16 FM Voices (2x8 Voice Cards)
                3 Disk Drives including all Cables
                2 Morley Effects Pedals
                Terminal Interface Adapter (640/480 Vector Graphics)
                Script License and Reference Manual
                MAX Licence and Language Manual
                XPL-1 Licence and Reference Manual
                Synclavier II User Manuals
                Original Rosewood Keyboard in custom flight case.
 
Available Upgrade Options Include:
                Stereo Outputs
                Full Pressure/Velocity Keyboard
                MIDI
                Polyphonic Sampling
                Music Printing, etc.
 
Paid  $30,000.00  US. Selling for  $12,500.00  CAN.  FOB Montreal.
 
Allan McCarthy, Tel. (514) 521-8435
643 Succ. Desjardins, Montreal, Quebec, H5B 1B7, Canada

    Boy, the "other" net is having a few reactions to -.1.  Seems they feel
    it is a bit pricey ...
    
    Steve

    Here's some of the responses:
    
    Path:
    engage!e2big.mko.dec.com!pa.dec.com!decwrl!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-stat
    |e.edu!think.com!mintaka!spdcc!Cthulhu!raisch
    From: raisch@Control.COM (Robert Raisch)
    Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
    Subject: Re: Synclavier anyone?
    Message-ID: <1388@cthulhuControl.COM>
    Date: 19 Jun 91 23:27:53 GMT
    References: <215d9d636a14285ebde8@rose.uucp>
    Organization: Control Technology Corp., Hopkinton MA
    Lines: 4
    
    
    BWWWAAA-HAAAa-Haaaaa-haaaaa-haaa!
    --
    "I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti." -Lector
                                             
    
    Path:
    engage!e2big.mko.dec.com!pa.dec.com!decwrl!mips!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-st
    |ate.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!darling
    From: darling@cellar.UUCP (Darling)
    Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
    Subject: Re: Synclavier anyone?
    Message-ID: <HX0s41w164w@cellar.UUCP>
    Date: 19 Jun 91 23:04:04 GMT
    References: <215d9d636a14285ebde8@rose.uucp>
    Sender: bbs@cellar.UUCP (The Cellar BBS)
    Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system
    Lines: 56
                               
    
    
    $12,500!  Ha!  Haha!  (Falls off chair)  Hahahahaha!
    
    HAW HAW HAW HAW!!!... (gasp) HAW HAW!!!...
    
    (choke, hack)...
                                    

re: .294 (Union Music sale)

  Major typo (on Union's behalf, not the noter)

  The regular EPS is on sale for $1100, not the EPS-16!

-TR

    Looking for an eminently portable recording studio, a "scratch-pad" for
    at-the-beach musical inspiration? Look no further: the COMB catalog is
    offering the Music Whiz Recording Studio with
    
       Built-in cassette recorder
       4-channel mixer
       23-key piano with "multispeed rhythm generator"
       Condensor mic with adjustable stand
       3" full-range speaker
       Headset
       AC or battery operation (not included)
    
    This is item C2001-6423; COMB is at 800-328-0609. It *does* look like a
    toy, but at this price who cares?

    Lots these items are marked "Hurry-only one or two left!  First come,
    first served!"  Which probably means they're not going to want to do
    mail order - but if you want something bad enough, you'll try, right?
    
    Roland A-50							$895
    Teac PD-100 (CD player)					$99
    Digitech GSP-5						$249
    Korg KEC-42							$99
    Korg M1RX							$1199
    Rocktron Hush IIX						$99
    Rocktron Hush IIBX						$179
    Oberheim Navigator						$30
    Oberheim Systemizer						$30
    Anatek Pocket Panic						$70
    Anatek Pocket Sync						$100
    Anatek Pocket Recorder					$100
    Anatek Pocket Sequencer/Recorder				$140
    Anatek Studio Merge (8 to 1)				$280
    Digital Music MX-8						$270
    Roland D5 with carry bag and sound card			$525
    Kawai Sepctra						$389
    Kawai K1 II							$589
    Studiomaster Midi Analyzer					$70
    Opcode Vision						$399
    Opcode Universal Librarian (Mac)				$200
    Studiomaster 16x2 mixer					$649
    Crown Micro-Tech 600					$599
    Crest Audio LA-601 power amp				$499
    Zoom 9010							$1199
    G.K. 100MPL preamp & Rolls foot controller			$598
    Digitech DSP16						$320
    Zoom 9002							$320
    
    Check the suppliers' name & address note for the store nearest you. 
    The usual disclaimer applies - I receive no compensation for typing all
    of this crap in, and the secretary will disavow any knowledge of your
    mission, should you choose to accept it.
    
    \John
    

FWIW, the items in .300 with which I'm familiar are at "normal" discount prices
or higher- sometimes substantially. I'd advise some comparison shopping before
diving in.

    
    
    
    
    
    
    I should know better than to belive Guitar Center hype by now...Does
    anybody get anything out of these postings or am I wasting my
    keystrokes?
    
    
    

	Occasionally there are deals there.   Chad

    We've been through this before.
    
    Just because a place touts a price as "hot" doesn't mean it is.
    
    We all know that but we all tend to give our trust too easily too.
    
    We've even seen a "list" price offered as a "hot" price.
    
    My feeling is, if you're going to post a price here you should either:
    
    	o Have some reason to believe it is indeed "hot" (some reason
    	  beyond the seller telling you that) or,
    
    	o Add some kind of disclaimer like "I don't know if these are
    	  good prices but..."
    
    It's a free country, but I'd like to see that established as a
    convention.

    For comparison, the last column is some prices from recent 
    M/O catalogs:
    
    Lots of the prices are indeed real good (D-5, Anatek stuff, Rocktron).
    
    Roland A-50						$895
    Teac PD-100 (CD player)				$99
    Digitech GSP-5					$249
    Korg KEC-42						$99
    Korg M1RX						$1199
    Rocktron Hush IIX					$99	$144
    Rocktron Hush IIBX					$179	$199
    Oberheim Navigator					$30
    Oberheim Systemizer					$30
    Anatek Pocket Panic					$70	$76.50
    Anatek Pocket Sync					$100	$110
    Anatek Pocket Recorder				$100	$127.50
    Anatek Pocket Sequencer/Recorder			$140	$159
    Anatek Studio Merge (8 to 1)			$280	$240
    Digital Music MX-8					$270
    Roland D5 with carry bag and sound card		$525	$669    
    Kawai Sepctra					$389
    Kawai K1 II						$589
    Studiomaster Midi Analyzer				$70
    Opcode Vision					$399	$395
    Opcode Universal Librarian (Mac)			$200
    Studiomaster 16x2 mixer				$649
    Crown Micro-Tech 600				$599
    Crest Audio LA-601 power amp			$499
    Zoom 9010						$1199
    G.K. 100MPL preamp & Rolls foot controller		$598 	$569
    Digitech DSP16					$320
    Zoom 9002						$320

I just bought a Tascam 424 4-track recorder from Audio Video Research, in
Watertown. The price was $399, which was $70 less than Musician's Friend 
was asking for it!!!

They only had one left at that price, but said they are expecting more in,
and they'll be selling for $424, still the best price I've seen on them!

This is the same place that I think I mentioned earlier in this topic - they
had a big sale for their Grand Opening a couple months ago, and were selling
Shure SM-57s for $69 and SM-58s for $79, and AKG 240-M headphones for $72.

These are all great prices, and people might want to check with them before
buying any recording equipment. If you want, ask for Paul in the Sales dept.,
as he's the one that helped me with the Tascam 424, and seemed to have his
sh*t together....

alan

    A noter on USENET mentioned Sam Ash is selling Roland D-20 workstations
    at "about $800".  Interested parties call 1-800-4SAMASH.
    
    							Brian

 Got this from the internet VFX interest list.
 I'm only passing along the information folks -
 standard disclaimers apply.
 Dave

>
>From: Bill Gates <gates@hpfclj.fc.hp.com>
>To: vfx@ucdavis.edu
>Subject: price of SD-1
>
>The list price for a new SD-1 is $2695.
>
>Bill
>

I am selling brand new SD-1's for $1890.00. I am authorized by a music dealer
to act as an agent on his behalf. This is his regular mail order price, and
I collect a small salemans commission which I usually use in the form of store
credit. Sort of like dealing to support ones own habit :^).

If you are interested please drop me a line at:

chuck@csn.org
303-421-9121 Eves
303-538-4693 Days

Also available is an EPS 16+ Turbo for $2175.00.

The turbo model includes 2X memory expansion, 2 Megs of Flash Memory, and a
SCSI port.

I hope it's okay to "advertise" here, I promise I won't make a habit of it.
However everybody who has purchased one of these beasties from me has said
that they did a lot of searching, and I beat their best price by >$200.00.

The unit will be shipped from an authorized Ensoniq retailer, and of course
full warranties are included.

P.S. I have an SD-1 and I love it!!!!!!!
 
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    Sweetwater Sound in Ft. Wayne, IN does indeed sell Proteus 2 modules
    for $1050.  They do mail order.  Sent my $$ in today.
    
    karl

    Gee, Karl, I guess if you can afford the Prozac you can also afford the
    Proteus 2.  If I could afford it, I wouldn't be so depressed.  But, if
    I got it, I'd be really happy, but then I would be even more in debt.
    And, then I'd be depressed.  So, I'm happy that I can't afford them so
    that I'm not so much in debt.  But, it sure would be nice to have a
    Proteus.  I'm so depressed ...  ;^)
    
    
    Steve

Hi, folks. I'm reincarnated at DEC (for 6 months anyway), though I may be popping
around node-wise for a while. Nice to "see" y'all again...

Back to brass tacks: The VZ10M still shows up in Goldman's Gear Exchange, at
$388, but an outfit called Consumer Electronics ran an ad in Keyboard offering
them at $349. Both offers include the RC-100 ROM card, BTW.

The Consumer Electronics folks *said* that the offer ran through October 31, but
I somehow have this feeling that they wouldn't turn down someone's money today...
Oh yeah, I spent mine yesterday.

Item: they charge a 3% fee for credit card usage, which I've been given to
understand is illegal- if anyone calls them to order the VZ, act surprised at the
fee and mention its legal status. Good things might result.

(BTW, the "acceptable" way to charge such a fee is to include it in the price and
offer a "cash discount," so it's really just a matter of playing the game right.)

Bob

Sheesh! Unless you're psychic, I guess the phone number would help!

Consumer Electronics (Wisconsin):	(414)784-9001

    The latest price quotes listing from the USENET.
    
From: webster.henr801c@XEROX.COM
Date: 1 Nov 91 19:22:56 GMT
 
This is a list of equipment along with the best prices people have found for 
the  equipment (USA), the store selling for that price, and the date.
  
  Send updates for new equipment (USA) to Webster@Xerox.Com (Marc Webster)
  Send updates for new equipment (Europe) to jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk (John)
  Send updates for used equipment to shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff)
 
This list will be posted at the beginning of each month.
 
marc webster
 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
 
 
Equipment:	        Price: 	Location:				Date:
 
Akai EWI 3000		1000	--					Sep 91
Akai VX600		399	Goodman Music (Sherman Oaks, CA)	Jun 91
Alesis digital 8 track	2800    -- (rumor)				Apr 91
Alesis 1622             650     Ja-Am (San Diego, CA)			May 90
Alesis D-4		350     Music Depor (Grass Valley, CA)		Sep 91
Alesis SR-16		320     Bananas at Large (San Raphael, CA)	Mar 91
Alesis Midiverb 3	250	Bananas at Large (San Raphael, CA)	May 91
Alesis Microverb III	250	--					Apr 91
Alesis Quadraverb+	345	--					Aug 91
Alesis Quadraverb+	360	Music Alley (Birmingham, AL)		Aug 91
Akai S950		1400	Sound Alley				Jun 91
Akai VX600		399	Goodman Music (Los Angeles, CA)		Jun 91
ART SGE			449	Howard Goldman's Musician Survival 	Apr 90
ART SGE mach II		620	K&K Music (San Francisco, CA) 		Feb 90
Ashley FET 1500M	575	Brighton Sound (Rochester, NY)		Aug 91
Buchla Lightning	999	--					Aug 91
Coda Music Finale	575	--					Mar 91
Digital Music Corp MX-8	275	--					Feb 90
Digitech IVL VMH-5	800	--					Sep 91
DOD 1220XL		435	Music Emporium				May 91
DOD 1220		390	Music Emporium				May 91
DOD 1220RM		455	Music Emporium				May 91
DOD 820XL		299	Music Emporium				May 91
DOD 820			260	Music Emporium				May 91
DOD 820RM		325	Music Emporium				May 91
E-Mu ProCussion		719	Caruso Music (New London, CT)		Oct 91
E-Mu Proformance/1	350	Sound Deals (Alabama)			May 91
E-Mu Proformance/1	399	Guitar Center (Chicago, IL)		Apr 91
E-Mu Proteus/1		650 	Sweetwater Sound			Feb 91
E-Mu Proteus/1 XR       1050	Guitar Center (San Jose, CA)		Feb 90
Ensoniq EPS 16+ kybd	1650	--					Jun 91
Ensoniq EPS 16+ rack	1550	House of Guitars (House of Guitars)	Apr 91
Ensoniq EPS-M		1599	Goodman Music (Sherman Oaks, CA)	Jun 91
Ensoniq SQ1		999	Goodman Music (Sherman Oaks, CA)	Jun 91
Ensoniq VFX		989	SoundPost (Chicago, IL)			Apr 91
Ensoniq VFX-SD		1599	SoundPost (Chicago, IL)			Apr 91
Ensoniq VFX-SD-II	1799	SoundPost (Chicago, IL)			Apr 91
Fatar Studio 88 Plus	1100	--					Nov 91
Grey Matter E! for DX7	169	--					Aug 91
InVision Protologic	399	Guitar Center (Chicago, IL)		May 91
JBL SR4722 (12" + horn)	569	Brighton Sound (Rochester, NY)		Aug 91
JL Cooper MIDI p/bay	275	--					Feb 90
JL Cooper MSB+		330	--					Aug 91
Kawai K1		300 	--		 			Feb 91
Kawai K1r		345	Guitar Center (Chicago, IL)		Apr 91
Kawai K1-II		475	--					Jun 91
Kawai K4		995	K&K Music, (San Jose, CA)		Feb 90
Kawai K4r		495	Guitar Center (Chicago, IL)		Apr 91
Kawai K5		500     --					Feb 91
Kawai K5r		400     --					Feb 90
Kawai M8000		1330    --					Feb 90
Kawai Spectra		399	Goodman Music (Sherman Oaks, CA)	Jun 91
Kawai XD5		675	K&K Music (San Jose, CA)		Jan 91
Korg 01/W 		2695	list price -- Canadian			Sep 91
Korg 01/W 		2400?	list price				Sep 91
Korg 01/Wfd 		2800?	list price				Sep 91
Korg M1 		1200	Wray Music (Mechanicsburg, PA)		Aug 91
Korg M1 		1350	EastCoast Music (Danbury)		Aug 91
Korg M3r		729	Goodman Music (Sherman Oaks, CA)	Jun 91
Korg M1REX              1895	E. U. Wurlitzer, Boston			Feb 90
Korg M3r		729	Goodman Music (Sherman Oaks, CA)	Jun 91
Korg SG-1D		2400	-- (San Diego, CA)	 		Feb 90
Korg T3			2500	Sam Ash (New York, NY)			Feb 90
Korg WaveStation	1400	--					Oct 91
Korg WaveStation	1195	(inventory reduction sales)		Oct 91
Kurzweil K-1000 SE	1100	Sweetwater Sound			Apr 91
Kurzweil K-1000 SE Ext	1670	--					Feb 90
Kurzweil PX-1000	650	Sweetwater Sound			May 90
Kurzweil upgrade -V5	250						May 91
Kurzweil upgrade A/B	300	Sweetwater Sound			Aug 91
Lexicon LPX-5		396	--					Feb 90
Mackie Designs CR1604	799	Caruso Music (New London, CT)		Aug 91
MOTU Performer		340	--					Nov 90
MOTU Perf + TimePiece	719	CDA Computer Sales (mail order)		Mar 91
MOTU VideoTimePiece	850	Sam Ash (New York, NY)			Dec 90
Oberhiem Matrix 1000	299	Sam Ash	(New York, NY)			Jan 90
OpCode Galaxy		175	Sam Ash	(New York, NY)			Apr 90
OpCode Galaxy + Editors	269	Leigh's Computers (New York, NY)	Apr 91
OpCode Max		295	--	(San Fransisco, CA)		Apr 91
OpCode Vision		320	Sam Ash	(New York, NY)			Apr 90
Passport MasterTrackPro	289	--					Mar 91
Peavy DPM2		995	--					Oct 91
Roland A-50		899	Jim's Music Centers (Irvine, CA)	Jun 91
Roland A-880		199	--					Aug 91
Roland D-5		495	Nadine's (Hollywood, CA)		Jun 91
Roland D-10		795	--					May 90
Roland D-20 		799	Sam Ash	(New York, NY)			Jul 91
Roland D-50		847	-- (New York, NY)			Apr 91
Roland D-550		775	Ace Music (Dayton, OH)			Mar 90
Roland D-550		750	-- (Troy, NY)				Feb 91
Roland D-70		1709	New York Music (Boardman, OH)		Apr 91
Roland E-10		499	SoundPort (Chicago, IL)			Apr 91
Roland E-20		749	SoundPort (Chicago, IL)			Apr 91
Roland JD-800		2500	--					Apr 91
Roland M16E Mixer	1615	Contemporary Keyboards (Cols, OH)	Dec 90
Roland MKS-20		495	--					Feb 90
Roland MKS-50	 	200	Thoroughbred Music (FL)			Feb 90
Roland MKS-80		800	Ace Music (Dayton, OH)			Mar 90
Roland MT-32		199	--					Apr 91
Roland Octapad 80	535	--					Dec 89
Roland R-5		450	--			       		Jun 90
Roland R-8 		700	-- (Bowling Green, OH)			Apr 90
Roland S-330		1495	Contemporary Keyboards (Cols, OH)	Jan 90
Roland S-50		999	SoundPort (Chicago, IL)			Apr 91
Roland S-550		1499	Goodman Music (Sherman Oaks, CA)	Jun 91
Roland S-550		1395	-- (Los Angeles, CA)			Apr 90
Roland Sound Canvas     556	Pianos 'n Stuff (Pittsburgh, PA)	Jul 91
Roland U-110            500	--					Feb 90
Roland U-20		1149	Hollowood Music (Pitts. PA)		Feb 90
Roland U-220		550	--					Oct 91
Roland U-220		649	Jim's Music Centers (Irvine, CA)	Jun 91
Roland W-30		1555	Nadines (Hollywood, CA)			Jun 91
SansAmp			220	Musician's Friend			Oct 91
SCI Prophet 600		1200	--					Feb 90
SCI Prophet 5 w/ MIDI	1499	Wine Country Productions		Jun 91
SampleVision         	259	Music Solution (mail)			Feb 90
Tannoy PBM-6.5		270/pr  Sam Ash					Feb 90
Tannoy PBM-8            375/pr	Sam Ash					Feb 90
Tascam 688 MIDI studio	2650    K & K Music (San Jose, CA)		Feb 90
Tascam DA-30		1200	Contemporary Keyboards (Cols, OH)	Dec 90
Tascam MIDIIZER		1560	Contemporary Keyboards (Cols, OH)	Dec 90
Tascam MSR-16		5200	Contemporary Keyboards (Cols, OH)	Jan 91
Tascam TSR-8 8-track	2675    Guitar Center, San Jose, CA		Feb 90
TwelveTone Cakewalk 4.0	95	Computers & Music (San Fransicso, CA)	Sep 91
TwelveTone Cakewalk Pro	184	Music Now (San Fransicso, CA)		Sep 91
Waldorf Microwave	995	Sound Deals (Birmingham, AL)		Aug 91
Yamaha KX-5		530	--					Apr 91
Yamaha MT-100II		325	Washington Music Center (Wheaton, MD)	May 91
Yamaha PF-85		1600	--					Apr 91
Yamaha QY10		329	Jim's Music Centers (Irvine, CA)	Jun 91
Yamaha SPX-1000		1100	--					Feb 90
Yamaha SY22             775	--					Mar 91
Yamaha SY55             1075	--					Apr 91
Yamaha TG55		599	Goodman Music (Sherman Oaks, CA)	Jun 91
Yamaha SY77		2350	Sam Ash (New York, NY)			May 90
Yamaha SY77		2100	--					Jul 91
Yamaha SY99		2850	Brighton Sound (Rochester, NY)		Jul 91
Yamaha TG33  		410	Rhythm City 				Jun 91
Yamaha TG55  		575	8th Street Music (Philiadelphia, PA)	Jul 91
Yamaha TG77		1650	-- (Syracuse, NY)			Apr 91
Yamaha TX16W		750	--					Feb 90
Yamaha V50		700	Guitar Showcase (San Jose, CA)		Apr 91
Yamaha YPR-20		299	J&R Music World (New York, NY)		Aug 91
Yamaha YS-200		395	Musician's Co-op (mail-order)		Feb 90

American Musical Supply (1-800-458-4076) just shipped out their latest
catalog. On the back are a couple of specials:

Roland U-20 	 $895.00 (seemed pretty low)
Roland E5	 $595.00 (couldn't find any other prices on this)
Roland D-110	 $399.00 (seemed about average, nothing special)
EM-U E-Max II	$1995.00 (including shipping - I don't know about this either)

alan

    Re: .316
    
    May be blowouts on the U20 coming.  Just saw an ad from Acton Musicin
    Acton, MA, also at $895. Coincidence?
    
    						Brian

    
    
    
    Guitar Center marked them down to $895 about a month ago.  Everyone
    that cares is on their mailing list now, right?
    
    The U20's been around for quite awhile (relatively speaking), hasn't
    it?  Roland must be planning to help us fill out our Xmas lists...
    
    

Anybody seen a good price on a D-70 anywhere?  My latest mail-order rag still
lists them for $2000.  Daddy's has one used for $1600.  That seems to be the
going rate in the Want Ads too.

Any news from Roland on coming synths that will 'replace' the D-70 so that 
they'll get blown out at half price like the 50??!!  (I know, it hasn't been
quite that long, but my impression was that they weren't selling that great.
Correct me if I'm wrong)

-Tom

    About $1700 seems to be the going rate for a new one.  I paid about
    that much for mine from Wurly's last March or so.  They don't seem to
    have dropped any.  I suspect that the decline in D50s is more because
    the public has (shhh!) not really been all that thrilled with "real" LA
    synthesis.  The D70 is actually the "next step" after the U20. 
    According to some reports, the D70 was originally going to be the U50.
    Calling it "Super LA" was probably the best way for Roland to basically
    drop the "real" LA synths and pick up on what appears to be the trend:
    sample players.  
    
    I attribute the "demise" of the D50 to lack of demand for "real" LA.  
    The U20 is dropping to the $900 level because the D70 is pushing it
    there.  I suspect that in the relatively near future we'll see a D90
    introduced to better compete with the Yamaha SY99.  I expect it to 
    be about the same as a D70 except that it will have a disk drive on
    board, a built in MC50, more memory and the ability to load samples
    from disk.  It MAY fix the vibrato problem by going to a faster
    embedded processor (like maybe an 80960? - wild guess).  I EXPECT it to
    have direct outs that really work right.  It will probably say
    something about being General MIDI compatible.  If they're smart,
    they'll rethink DLM and introduce Super-DLM.  Super-DLM will have
    little to do with "real" DLM.  It will basically allow you to select
    the start and end points of the small-sample loop as well as give you
    other nice features that are standard in samplers (such as reverse).
    Might even make it able to link waves to compete with other "real"
    synths and to bring back some features that die-hard LA synth fans are
    now missing.  I expect this thing to list for about $3500 with a street
    price of about $2300 or so.  It will probably push the prices of D70s
    and U20s down only slightly.  Currently, machines that can load
    standard MIDI samples and that can sound really good are rather expensive.
    I don't expect them to come down too quickly.  The market is not the
    same as it was a few years ago.  Though the Japanese dominate, they are
    feeling the pinch, too.  And, I note that the industry in general is
    not moving toward bringing prices down as quickly as it did, say, 3
    years ago.
    
    This is all guessing.  I've heard absolutely ZIP about any new beast to
    come from Roland.  From what I understand, they are selling a lot of
    D70s.  It's a machine that can keep you happy for a long time.
    
    Steve

        Although I haven't  received  this  unit yet and I got all my
        information long distance from  Bolton, Vermont to Worcester,
        MA, I purchased a Kawai  SS-650  the other day.  QVC (Quality
        Value Channel) was showing this unit  on  Monday night.  From
        what I heard via long distance television. . .
        
        100 Sounds
        50 or 60 Rhythms
        Sounds editor built in
        Midi compatible
        Pitch bend
        61 full size keys
        16-bit PCM sounds
        AC/DC power consumption
        780 note memory for recording
        
        The price.  .  .$ 199.00  (plus tax, title and registration.)
        Ended up being three VISA payments of $72  and  change.  From
        what  I  gathered, Kawai is attempting to push their  low/mid
        line/price  range  synths now.  Sounded too good to pass  up,
        since the Yamaha PSR-46 (or was that 48) that my brother  had
        was  $375.00  and  it had the same amount of things minus the
        pitch bend !  
        
        BTW, the piano and electric piano sounded good to boot !
        
        Don't mean  to  brag,  but  I couldn't wait any longer.  I'll
        drop more info when I get it.
        
        Matt

    
    
    
          MIDI on the home shopping channels?  Oh, noooooooo!!!!
    
    
    

        You're telling  me  !!    Just when I thought I'd get my bill
        paid off too ! :^)
        
        Matt

"Yes, Ralph, my aunt Margeret got one of those *nice* Kawai synthesizers on your
show the other day, and I just *had* to have one to, so that's why I'm calling
now!  And are you going to be selling one of those *darling* MPU-401 cards soon
too?"

    I'm wondering if anyone has leads on the best price for duaz pads,
    please let me know!  I think they might now come in different sizes;
    I'm looking for the 6" (original receipe) type because I'd bet any
    others they make are bigger-->more expensive.  
    
    Basically, I'm just lazy and if I don't hear back I'll do my telephone
    shopping and reply back.
    
    Thanks,
    Mike

    Reposted from the DRUMS conference, without permission (I think it's
    ok) is a note that tells more about the dauz (KAT) pads.  Hopefully
    this will please you as it does me, if not, oh well.   ;-)
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    RE: 253,254,
    
    	KAT pads = duaz
    
    	KAT
    	300 Burnett Road
    	Chicopee,Ma. 01020
    	(413) 594-7466
    
    	Some of the catalog prices I could find were:
    
    	MIDWEST PERCUSSION
    	5402 W. 95th ST.
    	Oak Lawn,IL. 60453
    	1-800-282-DRUM
    
    	tomKAT pads
    	KT6	6" TOM pad		 75.00
    	KT7	7" TOM pad     		105.00
    	KT11	11" TOM pad		135.00
    	KK1	Kick KAT Bass pad	179.00
    
    
    	THOROUGHBRED MUSIC
    	2204 E. Hillsborough Ave.
    	Tampa,FLA. 33610
    
    	Same prices as MIDWEST except bass pad is 10.00 cheaper
    
    	
    	THE WOODWIND & THE BRASSWIND
    	"DRUMS in the WIND" catalog
    	50741 U.S. 33 North
    	South Bend INDIANA 46637
    	1-800-348-5003
    
    	They list KAT products (MIDI KITI PRO,DRUM KAT) but not the TOM
    	pads. I'd bet they'd have them if you call.
    
    
    	Good luck....FYI...I've played the 7" as a snare pad connected to a
    	MIDI K.I.T.I. PRO interface with a Roland RM8 (piccolo snare) and
    	the rubber pad played as well as a real snare and the response was
    	fantastic. TRY TO FIND A PLACE LIKE euWURLITZER's in Boston. They
    	have duaz(KAT) pads, ddrum,SIMMONS,PD31(Roland) and a few more all
    	set up and connected to a ROLAND RM8 and a KAWAI XD-5...You can
    	play them all and get the feel and responses for yourself...Then
    	catalog order...
    
    
    
    					Again Good luck...john 

Gear suggestion, courtesy of Anita, who manages my local Radio Shack. (US)
In the sale flyer due in homes Wednesday, the Pro-25 headphones (Koss is mfgr)
are on sale for $19.95 (half of $39.95, the regular price).  I picked-up a
pair; the sale is on, the flyers are late.  GREAT bass.  Maybe a bit shy in the
top octave.  Dumb Y-type cord.  Very nice in-cord volume control (one slider
fades both channels).  Mini-plug.
    
    Eirikur
    

(couldn't find a better-looking place for this...)

What would be a reasonable price to pay for an ARP 2500 studio system?
I have a line on one, but the studio that wants to get rid of it has no idea
what they are currently worth, but they have some savvy, so I can't just offer
peanuts.

	Eirikur

    I sold a hot-rodded 2600 for peanuts...people just don't appreciate
    these non-programmable, monophonic synths any more. 8^)
    
    To get a good price they'd have to find a collector. Go for it!

    
    
    Another Sam Ash Blowout
    
    Akai XE8 Drum Expander
    
          I was passing Sam Ash 48th street tonight and noticed a blurb in
    the window. It might be worth checking out.
    
    Features 16 bit S-1000 drum samples. It has some VCO-VCF controls on
    it, so it might have some possibilities. I also has one card slot, and
    the display model had some cards on top of it, ambient and dry.
    
    Price? $159.00
    
      It's a one space, full width rackmount. I couldn't see the back to
    check for the ominous wall-bug. I don't think Akai uses them.
    
    
      Hey. For the price, there might be some big bang per buck here.
    
    
    RichC
    

    From USENET:  
    
From: Constantine.Peters@f440.n109.z1.FidoNet.Org (Constantine Peters)
Date: 21 Jan 92 09:20:08 GMT
    
This Information Courtesy of Mike Rivers' WMUG BBS - 703 532 7860
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Good info -
 
Nothing's new with Casio, but Consumer Electronics Cop.
(800-786-1015) has bought everything they could get their hands on and
is offering some pretty good deals.  They have the VZ-10M for $299,
VZ-1 for $499, and PG-380 for $899.  They also have ROM cards ($69)
for the VZ family, including a couple from Europe that haven't been
sold in the US previously.

FOr anyone who saw this note before I modified it, sorry- I entered the wrong
phone number! Herewith the "right stuff:"


This is a superb price on this mixer. Some caveats apply: the vendor, "Sound
Deals," passes the charge for credit card use on to the purchaser, so the price
reflects a "cash discount." Add 2% for VISA, 3% (I think) for AMEX. They're
pretty willing to deal, though.

Contact info:

Sound Deals
(205)822-8173 ("Jerry")
Birmingham, Alabama (USA)

The total with a charge card fee and shipping is $298, which still is the best
price I've found.