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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
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Number of topics:2852
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2780.0. "Allen AE-50 SGU (yes, Allen Organ Co.!)" by NIOMAX::LAING (Soft-Core Cuddler*Jim Laing*229-7808) Tue Dec 03 1991 18:14

    A friend recently purchased this unusual item ... an Allen sound
    module.  Yes, made by the same Allen that makes Allen Organs.
    
    It's "made with the [church] organist in mind".  I don't remember alot
    of the technical details . . . someday I'll grab the manual and type in
    more detail.  It has alot of samples I've never seen in any other SGU
    
    	Lute
    	handbells
    	chimes
    	tympani	
    	lots of pipe organ samples, gedekt, reeds, etc.
    	??? lots more I can't remember
    	3 distinctly different "choir" samples
    	a good number of tuned percussion samples (bells, etc.)
    
    	in addition to alot of more common/typical samples
    
    It's 16-note poly, up to 6-way multi-timbral in "ensemble" mode.
    I think it had ~3MB sample data.  
    19" x 3.5" in wood case
    MIDI in, out, thru
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2780.1I like unusual modules...RANGER::EIRIKURTue Dec 03 1991 18:234
    Sounds interesting.  Do you know what it costs?
    
    	Eirikur
    
2780.2MIZZOU::SHERMANECADSR::Sherman DTN 223-3326Tue Dec 03 1991 18:233
    Price?  Specs?  Sounds interesting ...
    
    Steve
2780.3MIZZOU::SHERMANECADSR::Sherman DTN 223-3326Tue Dec 03 1991 18:241
    note collision ...  :)
2780.4FORTSC::CHABANTue Dec 03 1991 20:238
    
    
    Anyone remember RMI?  Sounds like an RMI Keyboard Computer sans keyboard
    plus MIDI.  BTW, Clark Ferguson (an old roomate of Roger Powell) works
    for Allen.  At least he did when the Keyboard Computer came out.
    
    -Ed
    
2780.5GLOWS::COCCOLIwatch that spin cycle..Tue Dec 03 1991 20:283
    
    
      I have an *ancient* RMI Lark at home. Makes a great table.
2780.6I'll get more info...NIOMAX::LAINGSoft-Core Cuddler*Jim Laing*229-7808Wed Dec 04 1991 11:4713
    I'll have to get the spec sheet from my friend.  Price, I believe was
    in the $2500-or-so range (remember, Allen Organs aren't cheap!)
    It is 16-bit samples.  Someday when I get a chance I'll post more
    details here . . .
    
    Jim
    
    P.S. I took a tour of the Allen factory in Macungie, PA recently -
    quite interesting.  Their "quality" was impressive ... seeing these
    organs, etc., being built was fascinating.  When I was there, they
    had a HUGE organ (with 60 speakers and 8 subwoofers) in a large testing
    room.  They "opened it up", AMAZING sound/power!
    
2780.7MIZZOU::SHERMANECADSR::Sherman DTN 223-3326Wed Dec 04 1991 12:216
    $2500?  For an organ?  Too much unless I can convince my wife it's
    worth it and that I would use it every day.  Might be hard to convince
    her that she would get any thrill out of it ...  Hmmm.  Maybe I'd
    better rephrase that ...
    
    Steve
2780.8FORTSC::CHABANWed Dec 04 1991 17:4012
     Jim,
    
    Did you ever meet Markowitz, Allen's founder?  BTW they have the
    first Allen Organ ever built in a storage room off the demo center.
    Markowitz wound his own coils on Quaker Oatmeal boxes for the sucker
    when he was a student at Muhlenberg College (my Alma Mater)
    
    $2500 does seem a little steep, but you're paying for Organ samples
    from some KILLER pipe organs from all over the world.
    
    -Ed
    
2780.9nameless namedropUNXA::LEGAOSG, DTN 462-6025Wed Dec 04 1991 18:557
	I've got a friend working at Allen (his backyard borders
	on the factory).. I'm going to have him send me some literature,
	which I'll post here. Too bad they don't have a factory outlet
	store ;-)

	Pete
2780.10Not just Organ samples...NIOMAX::LAINGSoft-Core Cuddler*Jim Laing*229-7808Thu Dec 05 1991 14:3516
    Actually, this box is supposed to be selling as an "add-on" to any
    MIDI'd organ (like an allen).  It's NOT just pipe-organ samples, in
    fact, it doesn't have all the "foundation" pipe organ stops you'd
    expect.  Instead it has one or two flue-type stops, 4-5 good, strong
    reeds (that perhaps a small Allen organ might not have?) . . . then
    another 40 or so samples that are NOT organs, but that are meant to be
    used IN CONJUNCTION WITH an organ.  So, it isn't a box full of Allen's
    pipe organ samples . . .
    
    It has some samples you'd not expect in a box designed for church and
    classical music: electric basses, B-3/hammond organs, guitars.  But it
    *does* have alot of others (see note .0) that aren't in alot of other
    SGU's.  AGain, I'll have to get ahold of a brochure. . .(or maybe .9
    will get it before I do!)
    
    Jim
2780.11Here are the details...NIOMAX::LAINGSoft-Core Cuddler*Jim Laing*229-7808Tue Jan 28 1992 20:2241
    (Keep in mind that this "box" is designed as an add-on to a classical
    (liturgical?) pipe organ or electronic simulation thereof.
    
    OK, here's some more info, right off the one-page glossy brochure:
    
    Voices
    ==============================================================
    Arco Strings		Barpfeife		Bassoon
    Brass Ensemble		Bugle			Celesta
    Chimes			Choir 1			Choir 2
    Choir 3			Chrysoglott		Clarinet
    Electric Bass 1		Elec Bass 2		Elec Bass 3
    Electric Organ 1		Elec Organ 2		Elec Organ 3
    Electric Piano		English Horn (organ)	English Tuba (organ)
    Flute			French Horn		Gedackt
    Guitar			Handbells		Harp
    Harpsichord 8'		Harpsichord 8', 4'	Legato Strings
    Lute 8' (harpsichord)	Music Box		Oboe
    Piano			Piccolo			Rohrschalmei
    Solo Cello			Solo Violin		Spanish Trumpet (organ)
    Timpani			Trumpet			Tuba
    Vibes			Vox Humana
    
    Other misc. stuff from the brochure:
    ==============================================================
    16x2 backlit LCD display
    Master volume control; data selector knob
    MIDI in, out, thru
    Audio outs: L, R and MONO, and Headphone (all 1/4")
    D/A Conversion: 2 channels, linear 16-bit quantization, 40.161 KHz 
    Voice Architecture: 3 parallel 24-bit DSPs - total of over 30 MIPS
    Memory: 14 Mbits	32 user-progammable patches (non-volatile)
    MIDI: 6 simultaneous polyphonic instruments, keyboard splits
    Tremolo (tremulant)
    Size: 2 rack spaces (with wood case covering it)
    
    There's more in this brochure (mostly a page of text describing it
    in non-technical terms)
    
    I know of only one person that's bought one - he loves it!
    	Jim
2780.12new hip-hop sensationSALSA::MOELLERThree-day Weekends. Pass it on.Tue Jan 28 1992 21:265
    'Barpfeife' ?  'feife' bedeudet 'pipe' auf Englisch..
    
    Where's my sampler ?
    
    karl
2780.13some scoopUNXA::LEGAPete, USSG, DTN 462-6025Wed Jan 29 1992 22:5917
	If anyone is serious about buying one, I might
	be able to swing an employee discount from a friend.
	There are 3 DSPs on this box and 24Mb of ROM.

	The story goes a single hardware guy was given
	a blank check and no regard for market competition
	and was told to design a good sounding box for
	addition to their digital sampler err.. organ line.
	
	I hear it sounds great.

	By the by, Allen does their CAD on a VAX9210
	and has a few 11/780s.

	hmm

2780.14$?, 24Mb? etc?NIOMAX::LAINGSoft-Core Cuddler*Jim Laing*229-7808Thu Jan 30 1992 17:2011
    Re .13
    
    How much$ does it cost (with the discount)?  Hmm, you said it has 24Mb
    of ROM, the brochure said 14Mb, are the "exra" 10Mb used in some other
    way other than samples?
    
    I've briefly tried it ... most sounds seemed EXCELLENT, a few were
    just OK (the typmani were not that great, but the percussive and organ
    samples seemed to be high-quality samples) . . .
    
    Jim
2780.15more os than osf?UNXA::LEGAPete, USSG, DTN 462-6025Fri Jan 31 1992 17:177
	re: how much? Don't know until I ask. It will be more that $1600
	probably. My friend told me 24Mb, Can't see how the OS would
	add 8Mb to the 16Mb samples.

	mail me if your interested.
	Pete