Conference napalm::commusic_v1

>    The D-5 has only four "Patch-effects" and they are Chord Play,Harmony,
>    Chase and Arpeggio.
    
    Unfortunately these do not go out the MIDI port...
    
    							Brian

the four patches arnt really worth worrying about due to the lack off
    control over the effects, but it would be usefull if you are just
    starting out with MIDI.
    
                                    Kev
    

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>>    The D-5 has only four "Patch-effects" and they are Chord Play,Harmony,
>>    Chase and Arpeggio.
>    
>    Unfortunately these do not go out the MIDI port...

Well, ahh, yes they do.

I'll have to double check the chord and harmony effects, but I've
recorded chase and arpeggio with Tiger Cub, and sure enough, the chase
notes and arpeggio notes all show up as separate keystrokes in the
midi.  You can press one key on the keyboard and generate a whole pile
of midi events.  I'm pretty sure that the chord and harmony work the
same way.

What it doesn't do is RESPOND to these over midi.  Keys coming in on the
midi will not have any of these effects applied to them.  If you want
'em, do 'em in software.

In summary, these effects are:

Chord:
- Play a chord pattern with your left hand.  No sound comes out.  Press
one key with your right hand, the correspond chord sounds.  It's based
on C chords, so play C7 chord on left hand, press D key on right hand, get D7
chord sound.

You can do some clever things with this like, hold down the C key with
the left hand, and what you play with the right hand is in key.  Press
the D with left, and *poof* a quick temporary key transpose.

Harmony:
- Same as chord, but some algorithm is applied so that it soudns like a
harmony.  Some musitech talk in the manual about roots and inversions
that I didn't understand.

Chase:
- Press a key, and it echos back again, repeatedly, after some time
delay and with decaying velocity, until velocity decays to 0 or the
pitch goes out of the range of the sound generator.  You can set the
time delay and a delta in semitones as a patch attribute, and you can
control the delay interactively with some arrow keys.  Each echo shows
up on the Midi out as well.

Arpeggio:
- It cycles, one at a time in succession, through all the keys you have
down at once at a settable and interactively controllable rate.  Can be
set for up-only, down-only, up-down, or random mode.  No limit on the
number of keys.  I had fun with this one holding the hold pedal down
and hitting every key on the keyboard.  It makes practicing your scales
REAL EASY :-)

For my purposes, the chord mode will be useful should have have to fake
up some live music someday, since I can't really play piano, I can just
learn 4 or 5 C chords and play along.

For sequencing, the chase and/or arpeggio modes will be useful for
generating quick progressions that would be awfully hard to enter by hand.

    
     I've some into possession of a D5 with no manual. 
    
     Can anyone help me out?
    
        Thanks in advance,
    
        Bob Tassinari
    

    Does anybody know the D5 protocol?
    
    It is very usefull when using Synthesis Computer Programs as MUSIC-X
    in AMIGA or any other machine.
    
    Thanks in advance.
    Isidro.

Yes, the D5 SYSEX is very well documented in the manual, and once you
get over the intimidating quantity of "fine print", it is actually
pretty straightforward.  It's what we'd call around here a "peek and
poke" protocol.  There is a bunch of state in the machine, and every
state has an associated address, and you change state by loading data
into specific addresses, or requesting a data by a range of addresses.

I don't yet know the details of handshake operation - so far I just
used big buffers and the unsynchronized form of the load and dump
commands.

I was working on a patch editor for ther D5 on my Atari St for a while,
and it's to the point where I can capture the D5 stuff into a
manipulatable internal data structure, and can do simple things like
write to the LCD display, but I've been distracted by other things and
haven't been working on it lately.

What, in particular, do you need to know?

    Thank you, Jeffrey, for answering and sorry for delay repliing again.
    
    I'm using MUSIC-X sequencer in AMIGA, and I can get tones from D5
    and store them even within sequences as SYSTEM exclusive, but in my
    application there is a Patch/Timber Editor very complete that permits
    all parameters changes, even graphically. (You can see the filter
    envelope and change time points by means of the mouse, etc...).
    
    Before to pass the Patch/Timber parameters from D5 to AMIGA, you
    have to adjust the Amiga handshake protocol in order to receive
    all the information and send it back after your edition session.
    
    MUSIC-X comes with some protocols for D50, DX7, etc... but not for
    D5 (and D50 does not work), so I have to write it in a special window
    of the application. 
    
    That is my problem. If you want to know more, I can send you details
    of the protocol window.
    
    Thanks again
    
    
    
    
    

Try settings for D10/D110/D20, if it has them.  The D5 Sysex is almost the
same as the D10 and D20.  The D10 adds reverb information that the D5
ignores, and you won't be able to access the D5's "effects", but that's
not great loss in my book.

    Help! 
    
    I'm not a keyboard player and I'm pretty ignorant about
    the world of synthesizers these days. But I'd like to jump in, except
    I'm not sure where (sequencers, rhythm machines, samplers, syths, music
    composers, sound canvas, ad nauseum.)
    
    I think I saw a machine that's gonna do what I want. That is, its
    intelligent and already has programmed chords, bass lines, and rhythms.
    I think it was the Roland D5 "Intelligent Synthesizer". But what was
    described here in this topic doesn't seem to be the same thing.
    Specifically, the unit I looked at most definitely has reverb and a
    whole lot more. Seems like a good machine to me except as I say I'm
    ignorant about these things. They're asking $799 for 'em at Daddy's.
    
    What I want to know is this device the same thing that was discussed in
    the opening topic? Perhaps its an upgrade from the original model?
    This thing has fade-in/fade out, volume settings for the different
    sounds of the autocomposer and more.  Does anyone know if I can
    "record" (sequence the right term I think) with it - that is store
    what I play? How about the price/vs quality. Any other places to check
    prices from? Anything you'd care to tell me would be greatly
    appreciated. 
    
    BTW - I'm a guitar player looking to expand. I'm recording my own
    compositions right now and need things like drums. But I'd also like to use
    the compose funtions to play along with where the bass lines, and chords
    are taken care of. Maybe one of these Composer machines is better/more
    flexible/offers more/ and is priced less - I don't know.

    
    sakman, maybe you were looking at the E30 (??) intelligent arranger?
    
    Just to confuse things even further, in case you didn't know, there are
    software packages for the common pcs that do this same kind of thing...
    

    re .9
    
    Whoops, no wonder I felt like this was a different machine than the one
    I was looking at at Daddy's. I was looking at an E-5. Good Lord, I'm so
    confused by all this that I can't even get the model numbers straight.
    Oh I can see this is gonna be a nightmare.

    Re: e-5
    
    Try note #1938 for stuff on the E-series machines.
    
    		

    Bwaaaahahahahaha!!! He thought an E5 was a D5!  Hoo, hooo, hoooooo!
    (Doesn't this remind you of like being in the VAXC notes and getting
    laughed at for, say, trying to free up memory allocated with malloc using
    cfree?)  Don't be upset.  It's easy to mess up.  For a while there I
    actually thought the D70 would be upward compatible with the rest of
    the D-series.  Silly me!
    
    Steve