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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
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Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2852
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1964.0. "MIDI stream woes -- cabling redone" by NORGE::CHAD () Mon Apr 17 1989 16:19

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I cleaned up my set-up over the weekend.  I rearranged all the cabling, etc.
Now the MIDI cables run together, the audio cables together, the power
cables.  I tried to inject "randomness" into the bunches to avoid 
parallel cables in a bunch (foe example -- I braided the MIDI cables
randomly).  I also tried to keep bunches of non-similar cables away from
each other.

The problem, I now have stuck notes, random patch changes while playing,
and sometimes notes sounding by themselves.  Any hints on what to check?

Chad
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1964.1SALSA::MOELLERDigital/ISO 2386 Compliance GroupMon Apr 17 1989 16:357
>The problem, I now have stuck notes, random patch changes while playing,
>and sometimes notes sounding by themselves.  Any hints on what to check?

    Check your MIDI cabling.. you may have strained/bent/broken/shorted
    some strands somewhere.

    karl    
1964.2Maybe something obviousTYFYS::MOLLERHalloween the 13th on Elm Street #7Mon Apr 17 1989 16:428
    You are using 'MIDI' cables aren't you?? Not the cheap 6 foot 5 pin
    DIN cables that Radio Shack sells. Those that are not 'MIDI' cables and
    are not sheilded right may cause all sorts of electrical interferance
    with each other (I have witnessed this effect first hand & now I make
    all my own sheilded 'MIDI' cables to avoid the type of problem that
    you are now, and I have in the past, encountered).

							    Jens
1964.3(real cables) and (computer?)NORGE::CHADMon Apr 17 1989 17:057
RE: real MIDI cables

Yes, I am uing real MIDI cables.  I've been thinking about it and am
going to check my computer.  Having been hacked up and taken apart a lot
it probably shouldn't be near any cables it doesn't have to be.

Chad
1964.4Cable Crosstalk?DRUMS::FEHSKENSTue Apr 18 1989 21:405
    Don't run your MIDI cables together.  You are probably getting
    crosstalk between cables.  Random routing - it looks ugly, but it works.
                                                 
    len.
    
1964.5Huh?DYO780::SCHAFERBrad - back in Ohio.Tue Apr 18 1989 22:065
    I've run MIDI cables, power cables, line-level cables and brick power
    all in the same 2 sq. in. tube for a year now and have never
    experienced any crosstalk at all.  Is this a bad idea?

-b
1964.6If It Don't Itch, Don't ScratchDRUMS::FEHSKENSWed Apr 19 1989 15:2414
    What's usually strongly discouraged is lacing cables together for
    long parallel runs.  Physical proximity is not usually a problem
    if it's "random", i.e., two cables don't run side by side for any
    great distance.  I don't know that anybody's actually done any
    cable crosstalk studies in this signal environment (the telephone
    folks have, and have demonstrated significant crosstalk, especially
    with things like the ringing signal).
    
    Like everything else where there's no adequate theoretical foundation,
    "whatever works, works".  So if you don't have a problem, don't
    worry about it.
    
    len.
    
1964.7Still suspect....TYFYS::MOLLERHalloween the 13th on Elm Street #7Wed Apr 19 1989 17:3411
    I have a 25 foot MIDI snake (4 MIDI signals with 4 seperate cables) where
    there are Male connectors on one end & female connectors in a small
    aluminum box on the other (they are color coded). I use this to connect
    my MIDI gear (an MX-8 connects to 3 of the cables & a thru box to the
    other one) to my keyboard players gear. This cable is held together
    with nylon wire tyes & I use this every weekend. My cables are well
    sheilded & I've never had a problem with them (It's amazing how cables
    seem to propagate when you MIDIfy your gear). I still suspect that
    there might be some sheilding problems with the cables.

								Jens
1964.8ANT::JANZENT - 500 picoseconds and countingThu Apr 20 1989 00:583
    What crosstalk do you expect on shielded cables?  
    The theory is adequate len, it's called the electrodynamics.
    Tom
1964.9Modifying Casio CZ series synthsMIDIOT::POWERSBill OGO1-1/R6 - DTN 276-8725Tue Sep 17 1991 18:3519
   This note doesn't quite fit here, but I didn't think it worth starting a
new note topic on this, and this is the closesest topic on my questions.

   I have a CASIO CZ230s in my setup, and one of the output (phono plug type)
jacks is flakey (ie the sound drops).  I want to replace the jacks, but was
wondering if there is anything tricky I should watch out for while I'm taking
the unit apart.  Like could all the keys fall out, and I have to play 49 mid
size key pickup with springs so small you need a microscope to see them.  :-)

   In addition, while I'm in there, I'd like to disable the battery auto
shutoff feature.  If the unit is not used (key pressed) or if it receives
no midi information after about 5 minutes, it shuts off.  This is annoying.
It even does this if one is using a power adapter, and not batteries.  Has
anyone done this to a CASIO before, or is it even possible to disable it?

thanks

Bill Powers
1964.10I remember this...EZ2GET::STEWARTBalanced on the biggest waveTue Sep 17 1991 18:596
    
    My old CZ-101 had a switch to defeat the A.P.O. (automatic p*ss off)
    feature.  I guess Casio "improved" the family by removing this switch,
    huh?  Maybe a back issue of EM has clues about how to add the switch.
    
    
1964.11RGB::ROSTSpike Lee stunt doubleTue Sep 17 1991 19:0014
    The auto shutoff on the CZ-101 is defeatable by a slide switch near the
    output jacks.  I guess the 230 is missing this? The 230 must use the
    same circuit, so it's be possible to defeat it.  BUT...I was looking
    over this circuit in the 101 and couldn't make heads or tails of it (I
    was trying to fix a power suppply problem).  
    
    I've had the CZ-101 open and assuming the 230s is similar, it's no big
    deal to open it up.
    
    FWIW, Casio will not provide schematics.  You have to get them from
    Tandy, who has a data retrieval service that Casio contracts to.  Bad
    news is that the service manuals are on microfiche only!
    
    							Brian