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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 29 1994
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Number of topics:2852
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1756.0. "Idea For Synthesizer Bus - Circumvents MIDI." by ANT::JANZEN (Tom LMO2/O23 296-5421) Wed Nov 02 1988 12:33

I just got an idea for a new synthesizer bus.  It doesn't obsolete MIDI
at all.  You just replace all the audio cables with more expensive
digital audio bus cable.  then you would take digital audio from your
synth and send it to the reverb, then send it in digital audio to the
mixer, which sends it analog to the amplifier.  MIDI would still be the
controller.  COnnect your computer to the parallel digitqal audio bus
to xfer digitized samples and other info.
Synthesizer so equipped would still be controlled by MIDI, but have data
movement and control options available when you connect to the parallel
digital audio bus.
Tom
    Of course it would cost too much to sell (all those connectors,
cables, pins, interface chips....)
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1756.1{yawn}WEFXEM::COTEThe Protocol Son...Wed Nov 02 1988 13:258
    So you replace all the analog audio path between the SGU and
    a pre- amplifier DAC???
    
    Zat what you're saying??
    
    Hardly a revolutionary thought.....
    
    Edd
1756.2Everyone has to go all digitalDREGS::BLICKSTEINYo!Wed Nov 02 1988 14:4414
    But still a good idea.
    
    Unfortunately, my observation is that even the signal paths of
    so-called "Digital Synths", go analog fairly early for things
    like filtering, DCO's, etc.  If you have to convert back to digital,
    and than to analog AGAIn in the mixer, you've probably defeated
    your purpose.
    
    Thus, many more synths would have to be able to implement more functions
    digitally than is currently being done.  And yes, I understand that
    that is an implicit caveat of the original proposal.
    
    	db
    
1756.3Modularize, separate audio & controlANT::JANZENTom LMO2/O23 296-5421Wed Nov 02 1988 14:5818
   synths are going all digital.
    The point is that a new bus have the desired bene-fits and still
    be MIDI compatible, i.e., not obsolete MIDI.
    All the shortcomings of MIDI mentioned by computer music purists
    are addressed by this standard.
    
    This would make a clear distinction between the audio data bus and 
    the event control bus (MIDI).  MIDI is patterned after industrial
    control requirements, which have low event-rates.

    It's moronically stupid to try to put audio data on a control bus,
    i.e., increase MIDI bandwidth to accomadate samples in real time,
    because the data rate would have to be very very high to hold the
    data.  The purists want to send audio data around in real time for
    playback during performance (not just samples, all the music).
    This bus should do that, without interferring with MIDI control
    commands.
Tom
1756.4CANYON::MOELLERWed Nov 02 1988 15:008
    This idea sure sounds like the AED/SBU digital bus.. items like
    that Yamaha 8-channel digital mixer are fitted with digital ports,
    and thus digital audio can be shipped around various components
    that also adhere to the standard.  DAT recorders have digital ports,
    certain digital reverb/effects... I haven't been paying too much
    attention to this development.
    
    karl
1756.5MIZZOU::SHERMANsocialism doesn't work ...Wed Nov 02 1988 18:014
    ditto.  And, the link can be either electrical or fiber-optic.
    It is expensive.  Haven't seen too much gear use this format.
    
    Steve
1756.6Classic- no; FM- yes.CTHULU::YERAZUNISHave crowbar, will travelWed Nov 02 1988 20:2916
    The Yamaha board apparently does not use the AES standard (sob...)
    
    Most of the "classic architecture" synths (osc->filt->vca) that
    have digital oscillators convert the oscillators to analog before
    the filter.  I don't know of any that do the filtering digitally.
    
    On the other hand, the FM synths (Y*, etc) do _everything_ digitally
    right up to a final D/A, output filter cap, and then the output
    jack.  All of the "synthesis" happens in the digital domain.
    
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    Besides, the analog hum and grunge adds "texture" to the performance.
             
    		:-)
    	-Bill
1756.7tranfer rate ?KLO::COLLINSSTEVEThu Nov 03 1988 12:097
    
    
    
  I think the main problem would be that no two pieces of gear seem
  to have the same sample rate these days .
    
  Steve..