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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 29 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2852
Total number of notes:33157

1004.0. "Yamaha FB01 Problem, Cheetah Kybd Controller" by COMICS::SOWTON (Drum,drum,drum,drummy droowah) Fri Nov 06 1987 09:04

	Can someone tell me if my FB01 has a problem or
	is it a feature....

	If I assign just one note to a particular channel
	I get a completely different sound from the same 
	voice with more than one note assigned. It's like
	a staccato effect and is especially noticable on
	the flute voices. To obtain a satisfactory sound
	from the FB01 I have to use two or more notes per
	voice which obviously is very restricting.

	The setup I'm using is an Atari 520STFM running
	Steinberg/Pro-24 but I also get the same problem
	when my Cheetah midi keyboard is plugged straight
	in to the box.

	I ought to mention that I've tried various settings
	on the FB01.

	Anyone have any ideas ???

	Bob ( Who has to play two flutes at once...)

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1004.1It's normal ...ECADSR::SHERMANCorrect as always, King Friday ...Fri Nov 06 1987 11:445
    Sounds like rollover - with more than one voice assigned your notes
    don't get cut off.  It's a drag.  But, it can be useful.  I wish
    the FB-01 and the Z used voice assignment more like the ESQ-1.
    
    Steve
1004.2Check MONODFLAT::DICKSONNetwork Design toolsFri Nov 06 1987 12:267
Well, a flute can only play one note at a time.   CHeck the MONO/POLY
setting.  There is a feature whereby it skips the attack sequence for
closely spaced notes in MONO mode.  I think you have to send the new
note-on before the last note-off.

I notice that many of the factory patches have really obnoxious attacks
on them.  This is especially noticable on the brass and string patches.
1004.3Can a Cheetah lose it's spotsMINDER::KENTReview? What Review?Fri Nov 06 1987 12:3114
    
    
    Methinks that COMICS::SOWTON must be a U.K. noter as he mentioned
    the Cheetah midi keyboard which is I think only available in the
    U.K. is this so ? and if so is it any good? or is the price reflected
    in the quality? For those of you who haven't heard of cheetah they
    are producing a number of extremely cheap midi tools at more than
    Cheap prices. E.G. a fully functional 7 octave weighted master keyboard
    for 390 or so pounds.                            
                                                     
                                                     
    						Paul.
    
   
1004.4Two's up...COMICS::SOWTONDrum,drum,drum,drummy droowahFri Nov 06 1987 12:416
    Thanks for your speedy reply Steve, looks like I'll have to
    buy another FB-01 to give me the 8 voices I need or get the sync
    problem (see 1003.0) sorted out so I can use the 4 track.
    
    Bob
    
1004.5Don't CHEETAH(S) outa this info!AKOV75::EATONDShut mah mouth wide open!Fri Nov 06 1987 13:197
RE < Note 1004.3 by MINDER::KENT "Review? What Review?" >
    
>    For those of you who haven't heard of cheetah they
>    are producing a number of extremely cheap midi tools at more than
>    Cheap prices. ...
                                                     
	Tell us MORE!!! (start a new note?)
1004.6Cheetah not cheater....COMICS::SOWTONDrum,drum,drum,drummy droowahFri Nov 06 1987 13:2014
   You're not wrong Paul, the COMICS cluster is in Viables down here
    in foggy Basingstoke. As far as the Cheetah is concerned...it's
    a 5-octave keyboard that I have. It's a basic midi keyboard with
    a three octave shift facility and I use it as a master keyboard
    for Pro-24. I find it adequate for my needs especially at the price
    it cost ( 50 pounds, from Boots ). It was a special deal at that
    price because there was no power supply with it. (6v DC). The normal
    price however is only 100 pounds...can't go wrong at that..
    Using that keyboard with the FB-01 is a very cheap synth. system.
    
    If only I could assign a single note to a voice !!!...
    
    Bob
    
1004.7How many bucks to the pound?MINDER::KENTReview? What Review?Fri Nov 06 1987 14:1827
    
    
   
    I have to say that I have been using single note fb01 voices for
    all my bass tracks for a while now and have had not a jot of trouble.
    I think the implication is that you will only get problems if you
    play what should be 2 instrument parts with only one voice selected.
    Then the machine will truncate the sounds. Is this the case?
    
    If you are in Basingstoke were you aware that the BERKS-BUM which
    is a non approved but affiliated subsid of the LEDS-BIM is meeting
    next week in the READING area on thursday night. For details contact
    either Richard Machin or Peter Duce. I am sure you would be welcome.
    
    For the NON Cheetahs amongst you Cheetah have been threatning to
    produce some new products for some time now at what seemed like
    ridiculous prices. (see last reply) 50 pounds or 75$ for a
    masterkeyboard is pretty damn cheep. I have never actually seen
    one myself but I beleive that they really work. In the pipeline
    is a 7 octave 4 midi channel master keyboard at 300 pounds ish.
    A synth and a drum machine both for less than 200 pounds. When asked
    at the British Music Fair how they could produce them so cheaply
    they simply replyed. "We don't see how everyone else makes them
    so expensive"!!!
    
    We UK ers will keep you posted.
    
1004.8HAMPS::NORTON_AAndrew Norton, @BSTFri Nov 06 1987 14:207
    Bob,
    
    See note 995.1, 995.2 about the BERKs BUM next thursday in Reading.
    Contact Peter duce at Acre Road if you're interested !
    
    Andrew
    
1004.9SALSA::MOELLERFri Nov 06 1987 15:0115
    The single-note choppiness you hear is indeed a function of the
    duration/note off of the first note not happening before the onset
    of a second note. Unless you originally play the part completely
    staccato (not the ideal for a flute patch, etc.) there WILL be
    overlap where two voices are required.
    
    I don't know if the Steinberg sequencer software
    allows you to diddle the duration of notes, but if it does you can
    shrink the duration so there IS a note-off prior to the next note-on.
    
    The other mono function that was mentioned is called 'fingered
    portamento' and is only invoked when in MONO mode with the Portamento
    (speed) value non-zero.

    karl moeller sws Tucson Arizona USA (upper Sonoran Desert)    
1004.10did I leave anything out?JON::ROSSMicro-11: The VAX RISCMon Nov 09 1987 17:2910
    you can assign one voice to one note on the keyboard....
    
    set the Fb01 range limit/l and limit/h to select one note.
    # of notes = 1.
    mono OR poly should work (a guess here and now...)
    
    the voice shouldnt get assigned unless that note is struck.
    
    rr