Conference hbahba::cam_sports

    Geez, no replies in this note yet.
    
    Got to see Kansas take on CU Saturday in Boulder.  Pretty good game for
    the first half as CU only trailed by 4 at halftime, but KU totally
    dominated the 2nd half, outscoring the Buffs 45-18.  CU is pretty much
    a 1-man team (Donnie Boyce), uses very little of their bench, and it
    showed as they got pretty run down in the 2nd half.  Meanwhile, Kansas
    shuffles players in and out at just about every whistle, and they do a
    great job at being patient with the ball against a man-to-man and
    eventually working it inside to get the easy lay-up or shot they want.
    
    KU doesn't appear to have much competition in the Big 8 this year.  OU
    appeared to be their biggest challenge early in the season, but KU won
    in Norman early in the conference season and OU just lost again at Iowa
    State the other day.  
    
    Colorado plays Nebraska on ESPN tonight in a battle of the league's
    only winless teams in conference play.
    
    
    Joe                                  

    
    	The Lady Buffs are tough though.  Last I heard, #4 in the
    	nation.
    
    Claybroon

    But they lost for the first time Friday night.
    
    Joe

    Long Beach State was ranked 25th last week in the AP - I haven't seen
    this weeks poll.  They were no fluke, but on the other hand, to be 
    spanking the number 1 team in the country on their home by 17 w/ 10 
    minutes to go is somewhat remarkable.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    
    Yabbut,
    
    I have no problem if Indiana gets the #1 ranking.  As a matter of fact,
    I'd like to see it - only because they are one of a few teams to have
    beaten SJU thisted year.
    
    So if they get it, I cain be a spin doctor and easily explain that
    it takes a #1 team to beat mine!
    
    See?
    
    I remain,
    one who used to play doctor with many!
    Kev
    

Indiana still has a bunch of days to lose a game before the next polls
come out.

The Crazy Met

    The fact that KU lost this bad at home really shocks me.  And this is
    the same Long Beach State team that lost by some 30 points against
    Virginia Commonwealth the other day.  Now why couldn't KU play like
    this the other day and make the Buffs look like worldbeaters?  
    
    And as for the Buffs, they had another 2nd-half collapse, but this time
    it was just the last 3 minutes of the game.  They got outscored 24-4
    down the stretch and lost to Nebraska by 15.
    
    
    Joe

    Someone please explain to me how IU can be ranked above UK?  UK has one
    fewer loss and beat IU!
    
    Waiting patiently,
    
    Bob Roper

    Kaintucky should be #2, I wished the Jayhawks woulda woofed it the
    other night.  Kentucky will beat IU again.  (KOD?)

    Craze,
    
    fwiw, IU's got 2 games scheduled before the nexted poll.  1/27 vs.
    Minnysoda and 1/30 @ Northwestern.
    
    Hardy what I'd call "...a bunch"
    
    ;^)
    
    btw - Heard Columbia beat Fordham lasted night.  Something like 65-51?
    
    I remain,
    mathematically thinking a bunch~=5?
    Kev
    

    Like I said Mr.Brydie, KU should be hangin' their haids today.  On the
    other hand, it's not like they got beat by Cornell or anythang ...
    
    BTW, I saw highlights of the LBS > KU game and they showed_a
    *UNBELIEVABLE* layup by some Long Beach guy.  It was a baseline drive
    that he somehow scooped from under the basket, between various ascendry
    KU "trees" that kissed in softly off glass.  Very sweet.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

Kev, thanks for the info on Columbia, they have a respectable team this
year and were picked by the coaches to give Princeton and Penn a run for
the money in the Ivy's this year. Basically they have a coach that was
there many years ago and came back for a few seasons, and a team that has
played together as starters since most were freshmen, now mostly juniors.
They won't be able to compete against the top teams, but they are respectable
even outside of the Ivy's this year.

The Crazy Met

    With today being national letter-of-intent day, the Buffs will be
    getting a very good but not great group of signees.  Their class will
    be rated in the top 25 nationally and possibly the top 20, whereas in
    the past couple of years CU has had top 5 recruiting classes.  Even so,
    of the 19 players expected to sign with CU today, 17 earned some type
    of All-American honors.  They didn't sign a single running back.
    
    CU also lost out on two of the top in-state prospects: kicker Scott
    Bentley of Denver chose Florida State over CU becuase CU doesn't have a
    baseball program (one of the Fairbanks ripples still being felt), and
    RB Emmett Mosley who decided he wanted to go out of state and chose
    some other school that I can't quite recall at this point. 
    
    Meanwhile, the CU basketball team isn't worth talking about.
    
    
    Joe
                                 

    
    	CU got a good local kid.  Mike Forney from Sierra.  He's 6'5"
    	and probably goes 200-210 right now.  He could play anywhere.
    	
    	They need to beef him up and make him either a TE or an LB.
    
    Claybroon

>Meanwhile, the CU basketball team isn't worth talking about.

  You gotta be kiddin, *THE* CU basketball team is somethin like 17-1
  and ranked 4th in the nation. The coaching staff and the players
  have done much better than anyone expected. I wish the local TV stations
  would broadcast some of their games. I think there would be a lot more
  interest in watching them than they think.

>    	CU got a good local kid.  Mike Forney from Sierra.  He's 6'5"
>    	and probably goes 200-210 right now.  He could play anywhere.
    	
>    	They need to beef him up and make him either a TE or an LB.
    
  Yep, I think he could be an interesting prospect. He played wide receiver
  2 years ago and did a great job but the HS coach moved him to QB because
  he was, by far, the best athlete on the team. I heard he also played 
  defensive back. The Buffs only signed 2 wide receiver types, Phillip
  Savoy from the DC area and Mike Forney. Both of them look like
  Michael Westbrook clones. Savoy is 6'4", 185 lbs and runs a 40 between 
  4.3 and 4.4. If those times are correct, he would be one of the faster Buffs
  which is really incredible considering his height. Forney is not as fast but
  he's a little bigger and can do just about anything on a football field.
  I guess the coaches have learned from Westbrook that big targets are real
  assets to the team.

  When the recruiting started, the Buffs first priority was defensive linemen.
  For a long time it looked like they might come up short. It wasn't until 
  the last day that they got 2 excellent prospects.(one was a 295 LB Hawaian
  named Maumau, I can't remember the other name but he was a nose tackle recruit
  where the Buffs are extremely thin)

  They only landed one defensive back and no running backs. But next year,
  watch out for a guy named Nathan Campbell, who was redshirted last year.
  He may be the best running back on the team.

  The 2 biggest names to sign were an outside and inside linebacker. I can't
  remember their names. That's good news with Biekert and Brown graduating
  and Fisher and Kotovsich and possibly Knutson leaving the team.

  Whenever I get my next issue of Buffalo Sports News I'll add some more
  information on the new players.

	Keith 

	The 17-1 CU team is the girls team

  Cadzilla 

  All of the recruiting guru's are saying that the Sooners did the best 
  in the Big 8 with the Huskers 2nd and the Buffs 3rd. The Cowboys and
  Kansas did OK too. The Sooners are in most everybody's top 10 for recruiting.
  They landed the top running back in the country with James Allen. This was
  no surprise since he's from Oklahoma. However, the guru's also said that
  many of the OU recruits will have a hard time meeting academic requirements.
  The Huskers landed the top running back from California and some of the
  best rated offensive and defensive linemen.

  Rod Gaston, who verbally committed to the Buffs, backed out at the last 
  minute and signed with another school. This leaves the recruiting class
  with no defensive backs. There was another guy who verbally committed to the
  Buffs along with 2 other schools. He won't be wearin Black and Gold either.
  As far as I'm concerned, the Buffs are better off without him.

  	Keith

 
 
 
  
  >>no surprise since he's from Oklahoma. However, the guru's also said that
  >>many of the OU recruits will have a hard time meeting academic
  >>  requirements
 
    Whoa... This is Oklahoma Boomer Sooner Best Team Money Can Buy Barry
    Switzer we're talking about here!  *Of course* they'll be able to meet
    academic requirements (what's that). Never fear, this will be a non
    issue.  Remember when a Sooner is asked what grades he got, he replies,
    "Why Grade A Pasteurized of course!"
    
    8^)
    MikeL
    

  	

    CU offensive coordinator Les Steckel is leaving to become the tight
    end/H-back coach for the Broncos.
    
    Joe 

>    CU offensive coordinator Les Steckel is leaving to become the tight
>    end/H-back coach for the Broncos.
    
  That's a big hit for the Buffs. Steckel has made some major contributions 
  toward the development of Stewart, Detmer and the receivers.
  This is 3 years in a row where the Buffs have lost their offensive 
  coordinator.

  I wonder what the odds would be of Sonny Detmer joining the coaching staff.

	Keith

    You've got to be kidding about Steckel.  He's either pulled the wool
    over a lot of people's eyes or had a major operation.  I never saw a
    coach turn around a team so fast... in the wrong direction.  Ask any
    Viking's fan about the Less Steckel abomination.
    
    Ugh!
    
    
    Spud

                    Conf.  All
    Kansas          6-1    19-3
    Kansas State    5-2    15-4
    Missouri        4-3    15-7
    Oklahoma St.    4-4    13-5
    Iowa State      4-4    14-7
    Nebraska        3-4    15-7
    Oklahoma        3-4    15-7
    Colorado        0-7    8-11
    

  A few notes ago, I said that I'd provide some more info on the Buff
  recruits. Well, here it is:

  Last years recruiting class has been called CU's best recruiting class ever.
  The CU coaches feel it is unfair to expect a class like last years every
  year. But they will say that this years class is better than most think and
  it's one of the top 3 CU classes ever. (I personally feel that the 90 
  championship class that sent 10 players to the NFL was the best ever. But
  ya know what, it didn't show up in any recruiting guru's top 20. Shows you
  how much they know). Last years class had 20 players with some type of
  All-American honors. This years class had 17. The difference is that
  last year had more 1st and 2nd stringers and this year has more 3rd
  stringers and honorable mentions. However, they did manage to land the
  the state's defensive player of the year from Texas(Allen Wilbon), 
  Colorado(Tennyson McCarty), Louisiana(Mike Phillips), Nevada(Ron Merkeson).
  and Georgia(Stacey Patterson).

  This class was superb for linebackers with Allen Wilbon leading the list.
  He was on more than one list as the top inside linebacker prospect in the
  country. His stats and physical description sound more like a pro that a 
  recent HS graduate. He was a 4 year starter for Dallas Kimball H.S. in the 
  most competitive league in Texas. He had 177(112 solo) tackles and 10 QB 
  sacks in his senior year. He's 6'1", 230 lbs, bench presses 395 lbs and 
  runs the 40 between a 4.55 and 4.6. He was CU's top priority going into 
  recruiting and the coaches expect him to make an impact in his first year.
  He's also an honor student.

  The other inside linebacker, Ron Merkeson should also compete for a starting
  position his freshman year. The people in Nevada talk about him like they
  did about Mike Pritchard when he was in H.S. Since he played offense
  (fullback) and defense in HS, the coaches expect him to really blossom when
  he concentrates on one position.

  The strongest Buff recruit, 295 lbd Viliami Maumau who bench presse 405 lbs, 
  is from Hawaii and is only 17 years old. He's got one cousin in the NFL and 
  another who cousin played for Kansas(Maumalonga is also expected to 
  play in the NFL). The coaches say he could play anywhere on the line and his 
  potential is unlimited. He will compete for a starting position his freshman
  year. His name in Hawaiian translates to Damage or Destroy. I saw a film 
  clip of him catching a running back from behind while he didn't have a 
  helmet on. He is impressive. 

  Mac says that the aquisition of Mike Phillips and Desmond Dennis at outside
  linebacker are as promising as Alfred Williams and Knavis McGee were. Add 
  this to Greg Jones and Thadus Swazer who were last years #1 and #7 outside
  linebacker prospects in the nation and it looks like the Buffs have lot's 
  of depth at outside linebacker. 
  
  Offensive tackle, Aaron Wade was overlooked by most recruiting experts since
  he didn't play last year. But he was highly recruited by Washington,
  Oklahoma and some other top programs. CU thinks he's one of the nations 
  top OT prospects and will compete for a starting position his first year.
  The Buff coaches say that the offensive line drought is over.

  The Buffs didn't recruit many defensive backs or running backs because they 
  felt they did very well at those positions last year.
  
  This class doesn't have any of the big offensive names but it did very well
  in the trenches and at linebacker.

		Keith

  Last night I was flippin channels on our satellite and managed to stumble
  across the CU Lady Buffs in their sweet 16 BBall game against Standford 
  in the national championship tournament. I was impressed. This team started 
  the season ranked 20th and most "people in the know" thought the ranking was 
  generous. When they beat Iowa and later climbed to a #4 ranking, everyone 
  said it was a fluke and that they would be put in their place in the 
  nation championship tournament. Well they should have been put in their place
  place last night when they played the defending national champions and the
  team many figured would repeat as the national champions. 

  It started out with Standford scoring the first 10 points and I thought
  all of the predictions about them being a fluke were true. But, they finally
  settled down and played relentless defense making Standford work for every
  point. Their free throw shooting and sophmore sensation, Shelly Sheetz,
  kept them alive in the first half and they wittled the lead down to 3 by 
  half time. After about 3 minutes in the 2nd half, they tied the game but 
  Standford's Goodenhour hit back to back 3 pointers and it again looked 
  like the Cardinal would pull away. But the Buff defense seemed to get 
  better and better as the game went on. With about 6 minutes to go, the 
  Buffs caught Standford. Then they traded the lead until about 3 minutes 
  left when Sheetz hit 2 long shots and put the Buffs up by 5. Standford 
  appeared to loose all confidence in scoring. Even Val Whiting, one of the
  best female college BBall players of all time, was completely ineffective.
  Then the Cardinal started fouling and the Buff free throws put the game away.
  This was, by far, the biggest victory in the history of the Lady Buffs.
  With the momentum of beating last years champs, this team may have a shot
  at the national championship. If they beat Texas Tech on Sat., they're
  in the final four and will play on national TV.

  Ceal Barry, the coach of the Lady Buffs has a salary which is half of what
  the mens team coach, Joe Harington, makes. The mens team came in dead last
  in the Big 8. The Lady Buffs have sold almost as many tickets as the mens
  team did. When she took over the team a few years back, they were really bad.
  Maybe she'll get a raise next year. And/or maybe they'll switch coaches 
  for the 2 teams.

		Keith

	Texas Tech dominated Colorado thorughout in a 79-54 win.
	Lady Buffs go home after Elite Eight appearance.

>	Texas Tech dominated Colorado thorughout in a 79-54 win.
>	Lady Buffs go home after Elite Eight appearance.

	Well, they had a dream season until they matched up with the "Michael
	Jordan" of women's basketball. Sheryl Swoopes is the best women
	basketball player I've ever seen. After watching Texas Tech dismantle
	their last 2 opponents, I pick them to win it all. In fact, I 
	wouldn't be surprised to see them win each of the last 2 games 
	by 20+ points.

	The Buffs will lose 3 or 4 of their best players to graduation. 
	They'll still have All-American candidate, Sheely Sheetz and they
	signed one of the most highly recruited HS players in the nation. 
	She's Erin Sholtz from Doherty HS here in Colorado Springs. I 
	watched her play in the state championships and was very impressed. 
	She should make an impact in her first year. She's big and strong and a
	very accurate shooter.
	 
		Keith

  Buffalo's who got drafted include:

	Deon Figures		1st round	Steelers
	Leonard Renfro		1st round	Eagles
	Chad Brown		2nd round	Steelers
	Ronnie Bradford		4th round	Fish
	Greg Biekert		5th round	Raiders

  All of the papers said that Renfro would go in the 3rd round or even later.
  But after watching him play for the last 3 years, I wasn't surprised
  that the Eagles picked him up in the 1st round. I was surprised that Figures
  lasted as long as he did. His relatively slow time in the 40 at a recent
  combine probably made him slip a few places. The only thing is that once he
  has a helmet and pads on, he doesn't play slow. Brown went about where I 
  expected. I thought Bradford had a shot at going in the 2nd round. I think
  the Fish will find that they were fortunate to get him when they did.
  I don't know what to say about Greg Biekert, the classic over acheiver.
  He could be a steal or he could be a bust in the NFL. It's just hard to 
  believe he'll be playin for Al Davis.

	Keith

    This coming Friday, June 4th, will be my last day here.  I don't know most 
    of the people in here, but the few I've met have been great people and 
    I've made some good friends thru this note - overall it's been a great
    experience and a whole hell of alot of fun!
    
    Joe

Sorry to see ya go Joe, I hope it's on your terms. We didin't agree much
but it was always fun....

good luck

mike

    
    	Aw, Joe, say it ain't so!  Who's gonna keep MikeL in line? :*)
    
    	Good luck to you.  
    
    Claybone

    Best of luck, Joe.  Your insights and analysis on the Colorado and 
    Big-8 sports scenes were indeed valuable and will be missed...
    
    glenn
    

    Good Luck to ya Joe.  
    
    Tell yer brother and sister in law I say hello.
    
    Enjoy those Air Force Academy games.
    
    Tailgate some fer me.
    
    JaKe
    

Best of luck Joe. Too bad I missed seeing you when I was out in 
Colorado Springs.

The Crazy Met

ps Make sure to give Kev your address/phone number

    Joe Joe Joe!
    Who's gonna be my foil over in the ND note??!! We both know that
    Childsey is popcorn! 8^)
    
    Seriously, you'll be missed cuz you offered good objective reprting\
    and analysis (except for one subject!).  Best of luck and get yo'
    address to Kev. 
    
    Too bad we couldn't hook up when I was in Coloraddy. Mebbe if/when
    ND travels to AF to whup, er play, the Falcons.
    
    Latah,
    MikeL
    
    P.S. Yo' 'Bone! Shaddap!
    

Good luck Joe - I'll try to give MikeyL a good chide now and again for you...

=bob=

    
    Yabbut Joe Joe Joe.......
    
    Best of luck and I'm sorry yer leaving.  I'll try to take care of MikeL
    for ya too!
    
    I remain,
    waitin for the address 'cause I'm da keeper of da list!
    Kev
    

    Joe,
    
    Best of luck.  
    
    John "D Cowboys" R.

  It's gonna get real quiet in this note without Joe. There's already been a 
  few times when I thought I was talkin to myself in the Big 8 note.
  But Joe's not gonna disappear completely. Joe and I have season tickets
  for the Buffs this fall. So, after the Buffs stomp all over the Huskers,
  I'll be sure to add Joe's comments in this file. 

  Joe, I'll do my best to bash the Fighting Irish and their sissy coach
  every chance I get but I don't think I've got quite as much enthusiasm 
  as you do. 

	Keith

    
    So long, Joe.  Guess we're gonna have to count on Keith to pick up the
    pace and keep Nebraska Marty in line.  Best wishes. 
    
    
    brews

      Bummer to hear this,  unless its your move!   
    
      Another straight input person gone.  I'll miss your updates in
    Colorado sports.  The faider file won't be the same, much to Carlos'
    happiness;^)
    
      Don't recall ever meeting you,  so best of luck to you!  And may the
    mighty Broncos win the SB in our lifetime!
    
    
      Tim Jackson
    
      

    Best of luck, Joe.
    
    My wife got the package last week.  Not a happy time around here.
    
    Lee

    	I'll keep the ND Jihad in line Joe.  Good luck.
    
    				/Don

    Thanks for all the good wishes everyone.
    
    It's a move by choice.  I wasn't laid off - I've been looking for
    quite a while and my ship finally came in.  I'm going to work for a
    small software company :^)...seriously, I'm going to work for US West
    in Denver. 
    
    Seems like the biggest concern is keeping Leary in line.  He's really
    not that bad though - there are ND fans *alot* worse than him.  :^)  Of
    course, he already started his "Holtzing" at the end of last season
    when he said they'll be ranked around 15-20 to start the '93 season. 
    And I'm sure they've got one of the toughest (if not *the* toughest)
    schedule in that nation - unless, of course, they don't have to play
    Navy this year.
    
    
    Joe

    Way to go Joe! US West. Good luck!   But tell me, how much are ya gonna
    miss jogging at lunch? Fine scenery, ah'm told!
    
    Actually keeping me in line t'aint yo biggest concern. From what I
    understand, yo' wife is the best ND supporter west of the Pecos!
    
    And hold on a sec about me "Holtzin'" it willya. Lord knows we lost
    all them bluechippers to the NFL.... whome dang backfield with no
    sdure fire QB to take up the gauntlet, TE gonzo, speedy LB's, AA CB,
    kicker, etc. Po' Irish get to take on mighty Michigan, Stanford,
    Fla ST, USC, Pitt, BC et all with a_team full_a_holes. And you know
    we're gonna face the best Northwestwern, MSU and Navy teams we ever
    done seen. Will be a loooooooooong year. Be lucky to git 8 wins
    and a Citrus Bowl bid. Woe is us.... and Bball loks even worse.
    Sniff sniff.
    
    
    Latah,
    MikeL
    

    
    > with no
    > sdure fire QB to take up the gauntlet
    
    No, only the top-ranked schoolboy QB in the country, once again... ;-)
    
    glenn
    

    but glenn mon ami,
    Ah said "sure fire QB" Surely you would nott rate ANY HS QB as
    sure fire?
    
    MikeL
    

  Well, what I heard is that this "sure fire QB" is the 2nd coming of John
  Elway. Which means he'll probably play great all year and lead his team
  into a New Years day bowl ranked #1. But, just like Mr Ed., he'll choke 
  bigtime, probably against Colorado in the Orange Bowl.

	Keith    

>  Well, what I heard is that this "sure fire QB" is the 2nd coming of John
>  Elway. Which means he'll probably play great all year and lead his team
>  into a New Years day bowl ranked #1. But, just like Mr Ed., he'll choke 
>  bigtime, probably against Colorado in the Orange Bowl.


 Did he lead the SchoolBoys in intys?

 mike

    Well Mike, I hope you're right and it's a tough year for the Irish -
    it'll almost be like the good 'ol days with Faust!
    
    You're dead wrong about one thing though - if ND wins 8 games they'll be
    playing in New Orleans or Miami, not no podunk Citrus Bowl.
    
    
    Joe

  The latest issue of Sporting News says that Colorado will have the nation's
  toughest schedule this coming year. The pre-conference games are against
  Texas, Standford, Miami and Baylor. And of course they still have those
  corn fed chumps from Lincoln and the Sooners and a rapidly improving Kansas
  team. Also, I won't be surprised if the OSU Cowboys turn things around 
  this year.

  It's only 9 more weeks until the opener which will be the evening game on 
  ESPN. Look for Joe and I in the stands celebrating another victory.

	Keith

    9-1-1 won't win anything if someone goes 12-0.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    
    	Nuthin' gets by him.......
    
    Claybone

>    9-1-1 won't win anything if someone goes 12-0.
    
  Yep, I guess if BYU or Wyoming wins all of their games, they may snatch
  the big prize.

  BTW, I forgot to mention in my previous note, that the Sporting News
  said the 3 toughest schedules belong to:

     1. Colorado Golden Buffaloes      
     2. Fighting Sissies of Notre Damsel.
     3. Flora State Semiholes.

		
	Keith

    
    
    Not a bad schedule fer the Buffs. Don't see 'em beating NU or OU, maybe
    Kansas. Where do they play Stanford, Texass, Baylor?? I know Miasmi
    is at CU... You  might be looking at 6-5 me bucko!
    
    MikeL
    
    BTW, ferget BYU at 12-0. ND'll smother 'em agin.
    
    
    
    

>    Not a bad schedule fer the Buffs. Don't see 'em beating NU or OU, maybe
>    Kansas. Where do they play Stanford, Texass, Baylor?? I know Miasmi
>    is at CU... You  might be looking at 6-5 me bucko!
    
  Here's where they play the big games:
	Texass at home, Bailor Billy Bears at home, Standford Cardinal
	at the Birdcage, Miasmi HurryCanes at home, Okie Sooners at
	Brian Bosworthless stadium, Kansass Peacocks at home and the
	mucho hated Cornsuckers at home.

  I think they'll go 9-2 which will be enough to get to the Orange bowl fer
  another rematch with Louie Holetz's Fightin Leprecons of Notre Damsel. 
  Notre Damsel will go 7-4 but will still get invited over the undefeated
  Semiholes because of some weird network contract that nobody cain understood.
  At least not me, while I'm spellin this a way.

	Keith

    
>    Not a bad schedule fer the Buffs. Don't see 'em beating NU or OU, maybe
>    Kansas.
    
    You hold Oklahoma in higher regard than I do, MikeL.  You know
    something I don't?  ;-)
    
    glenn
    

>    You hold Oklahoma in higher regard than I do, MikeL.  You know
>    something I don't?  ;-)
    
  Well, I can't speak for MikeL but I did notice that they had one of the
  nations best recruiting classes this year(top 3). They got the nation's 
  top rated running back. His name is James Allen and the folks in Norman 
  already expect him to be the 2nd coming of Billy Sims. Plus, they're going 
  to go back to Barry Switzer's old offense. They'll be better this year but I
  don't think they be as good as the Buffs or the Huskers

	Keith    

	Is Terry Hanratty still the color man for CU on the radio?  He was 
	when I was stationed out there in the late 70's.  Did a pretty
	good job as I recall.


	billl

    
    	Nope.  It's Dave Logan........
    
    Claybone

    
>  Well, I can't speak for MikeL but I did notice that they had one of the
>  nations best recruiting classes this year(top 3). They got the nation's 
>  top rated running back. His name is James Allen and the folks in Norman 
>  already expect him to be the 2nd coming of Billy Sims.
    
    Yeah, I'd heard about Allen, but I didn't realize that the overall
    class was ranked so highly.  I think Allen is even an Oklahoma boy,
    right?  Which is probably why they were able to get him to sign on even
    though times are tough for OU.
    
 > Plus, they're going 
 > to go back to Barry Switzer's old offense. They'll be better this year but I
 > don't think they be as good as the Buffs or the Huskers
    
    Is this the plan for this season?  What happens to Cale Gundy?  He
    can't run the wishbone, that's for sure, and I'm not sure that this
    would be a smart move anyway (that offense has seen its time).  Or 
    are we just talking about the power I that OU used in the Marcus Dupree
    years (make that months, or weeks)?
    
    glenn
    

    Sort of like Bill PArcells football. Power football with a passer that
    can hurt you if he needs to pass abotu 15-20 times a game.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

  Yep, James Allen is an Oklahoma boy and I believe he committed to the
  Sooners at an early date. Whenever a team signs a big name like 
  Allen, they can use that as a selling point to land some other good
  players. Plus, there were a couple of other highly rated players coming out
  of Okla high schools this year and the Sooners got all of them.

  I'm not sure what's going to happen to Gundy. And I don't know if they have
  and good option style QB's waiting in the wings. I probably over simplified
  things when I said that they were going back to Switzer's offense. What
  I did hear was that they were going to use more option and other Switzer
  type plays in this coming season. I guess we'll have to wait and see. But,
  as the legendary Paul Brown used to say "when you have a big gun, you shoot
  it" James Allen is supposed to be a big gun.
  
  BTW, in Athlons and Lee Corso's pre-season college football issue's, they all
  rated the Big 8 recruiting for this year in this order:

	Oklahoma
	Kansas
	CU
	Cornmunchers

  Look out for Kansas in the future, they've got a good coach and now they're 
  starting to attract some real talent.

	Keith

    So I overrated OU, CU goes 7-4. 8^)
    
    ND could quite possibly go 7-4, anyone know where they've been ranked?
    Alright, Gaqtor Bowl here we come! 8^)
    
    MikeL
    
    
    

  As pointed out in the Jurispudence note, Michael Westbrook has a court
  date for a 3rd degree assault in early August. Today's Rocky Mtn News
  had a little more info on the altercation. Evidently, Westbrook's girlfriend
  was hit by one the campus maintenance crew as witnessed by a couple of other
  football players. He later came to watch Westbrook workout at a fitness drill
  and taunted him. A couple of Westbrook's teammates pointed him out as the 
  one who hit his girlfriend. So Westbrook went over and confronted him.
  Next thing you know, things got a little heated and Westbrook smacked the guy.

  If this is all true, I wouldn't be surprised if the law lets Westbrook
  walk. Coach Mac won't say what he's gonna do until after the hearing.
  If he's not allowed to walk, he'll miss the first game for sure. If he
  does walk, MAC may still suspend him for a game. We'll have to wait and
  see. 

  This comes after The Sporting News had an article about Westbrook in their
  pre-season issue. They talked about how, in his freshman year, he cut classes,
  had a GPA of 1.3 and was nearing kicked out of school. In the last 2 years,
  he really turned things around and now posts a 3.0 GPA and is on schedule
  to graduate in May even though he has 2 years of eligibility left. 
  Because of the above incident, he has talked about going pro for the first 
  time. He'll still play this year but I doubt he'll be around next year.
  He could have gone pro this year and probably would have been chosen as the 
  1st wide receiver in the draft. However, I think Mac talked him into staying
  by telling him that he'll do whatever he can to help him win the Heisman if
  he stays. In spring practice he had him returning kickoffs and punts and
  had him play defensive back on passing situations.

  The guy is 6'4", 210 lbs, run a 4.4 40, has good hands, is very dangerous 
  after he catches the ball and has never been injured. He's a real talent.

	Keith

Hey Keith, I've counted at least 4 or 5 times in the last 20 or so notes that
talk about Colorado in the Orange Bowl this year.

Hey bud, don't ya think it's a bit early? CU WILL be improved this year but you
know what, Nebraska will also. You COULD be setting yourself up for a big fall
by getting your hopes up so early.

By the way, I don't think this Westbrook thing is any big deal. As a Husker fan I 
must admit that this kid scares me more than anyone on the Fluffalo's (Hey, real
Buffalo's don't get beat 52 - 7) squad. He has everything - size, talent, smarts
(I think), speed...

He is scarry. No doubt.

Oh yea, look for Smokin Tommy Frazier to mature this year. There should be a big
improvement in him this year. Look for MORE (I did not say a lot of...) passing
from T.O. and his man Frazier this year.

I'm lookin forward to this year and Go BID RED (of the North that is),

Husker Henderson

  Marty, Marty, Marty, where have you been?? I mean, we've gone through
  Letter of Intent day, spring practice and now it's only 2 weeks before
  summer practice starts and there hasn't been a peep outta you. This note
  just wouldn't be the same without your presence which definately 
  sharpens the Buff/Cornmuncher rivalry.

  BTW, The Sporting News pre-season issue said that the marquee game of the
  Big-8 is now the Buff/Corncruncher game and anyone who pretends otherwise
  is only kiddin themselves. They also listed the Buff/Cornmusher game as one
  of the top 5 rivalry's in college football. The others were Alabame/Auburn,
  Army/Navy, Michigan/Notre Dame and one other I can't remember.

  No sirree Bud, I am not taking the Cornshuckers lightly. The Tommy 
  Frazier/Calvin Jones combo scare the *&^% outta me. Opponents will have to 
  key on Jones but with a years experience, Frazier should be a much improved 
  passer and will be capable of delivering the knockout punch with a single
  flick of the wrist. Also, the Cornduckers played FSU pretty tough in the
  Orange Bowl and I think, that if they had played in Memorial Stadium, the
  final score would have been reversed.

  By the time the Buff/Cornlucker war breaks out, the Buffs will have 2 
  advantages. One is the home field and the other is experience from playing
  a lot of tough games. The Cornpucker pre-season schedule of Texas Tech,
  North Texas State, UCLA and Colorado State doesn't compare to the Buffs
  knockin heads with Texas, Baylor, Standford and Miami. In fact, I wouldn't
  be surprised if Jones doesn't see any playing time in the 2nd half until
  the Cornwackers come to Folsom Field.

  I think the Big-8 is going to be a much improved conference. It's no longer
  the Big 2 and the little 6. Kansas has surfaced and is capable of knocking
  any one off. Oklahoma isn't the force they once were but they have a rich
  football tradition and the recent recruiting classes will bring them
  back into the national spotlight. OSU will be much improved and a top 20
  ranking may be a possiblity this year. Even Missouri who had a terrible
  record last year, played everybody tough. KSU and ISU are improved but
  they may never enter the national picture. However, as ISU proved last year,
  they are capable of a big upset.

	Keith 

>  Marty, Marty, Marty, where have you been?? I mean, we've gone through
>  Letter of Intent day, spring practice and now it's only 2 weeks before
>  summer practice starts and there hasn't been a peep outta you. This note
>  just wouldn't be the same without your presence which definately 
>  sharpens the Buff/Cornmuncher rivalry.

Hey, what can I say. I pick my moments.

>  BTW, The Sporting News pre-season issue said that the marquee game of the
>  Big-8 is now the Buff/Corncruncher game and anyone who pretends otherwise
>  is only kiddin themselves. They also listed the Buff/Cornmusher game as one
>  of the top 5 rivalry's in college football. The others were Alabame/Auburn,
>  Army/Navy, Michigan/Notre Dame and one other I can't remember.

Ok yea fine! So it's a rivalry - NOT!!! I love to do that. It makes CU fans
Sooooooooooo Mad!    ;^)

>  No sirree Bud, I am not taking the Cornshuckers lightly. The Tommy 
>  Frazier/Calvin Jones combo scare the *&^% outta me. Opponents will have to 
>  key on Jones but with a years experience, Frazier should be a much improved 
>  passer and will be capable of delivering the knockout punch with a single
>  flick of the wrist. Also, the Cornduckers played FSU pretty tough in the
>  Orange Bowl and I think, that if they had played in Memorial Stadium, the
>  final score would have been reversed.

Wow! Some respect. And from a Colorado fan. Wow. ;^)

I agree about the Orange Bowl. NU looked like it beloned on the field with FSU.
They did not look like they were in the same league as the opposition in the OB
the previous year. A few Freshman mistakes by Frazier and a bounce or 2 the other
way and NU could have won that game last year.

>  By the time the Buff/Cornlucker war breaks out, the Buffs will have 2 
>  advantages. One is the home field and the other is experience from playing
>  a lot of tough games. The Cornpucker pre-season schedule of Texas Tech,
>  North Texas State, UCLA and Colorado State doesn't compare to the Buffs
>  knockin heads with Texas, Baylor, Standford and Miami. In fact, I wouldn't
>  be surprised if Jones doesn't see any playing time in the 2nd half until
>  the Cornwackers come to Folsom Field.


The schedule thing bugs me. I don't like it either. I agree the 5th downers (hey
eye for eye...) will be more fine tuned than NU come the NU/Clippers (They have
lived by the clip vs NU and ND) matchup because of schedule. I won't even try to
make any predictions until it gets closer to the game though.


Gotta go. Hey did you hear that a head of our company who shall remain
nameless here is thinking about doing away with ALL personal notesfiles?

Oh well, it only follows.

Husker Henderson

  Well, the demand has been so great to watch the Buffs pulverize the 
  Cornshuckers that the University of Co has decided to expand the size 
  of Folsom Field. They plan to destroy a section in the southeast stands 
  and then rebuild it with 6,800 additional seats. They have to do something 
  with that one section anyways since it's starting to sink into the landfill 
  it was built on. They also plan to add 20-30 sky boxes above the east stands,
  renovate the restrooms, make changes to improve wheelchair access(includes 
  an elevator into the press box), bring the whole stadium up to modern fire 
  and safety standards, rework all concession stands and install an inflatable 
  bubble. They haven't decided if the bubble will be installed in the stadium 
  or next to it on the practice field. The bubble will only be used for 
  practice in bad weather(which has been a major problem for the Buffs in
  preparing for bowl games). Total cost will be, ....uggg...., 30 million bucks
  and it will be 3-5 years before it can be completed.

  With all of these changes, the total seating capacity will be around
  59,500. I checked the seating capacity of all of the stadiums of the 
  major football powers and CU has the smallest stadium(52,500) so the
  changes are badly needed. However, even with these changes, it will still
  be one of the smaller stadiums. I think they should come up with a way to
  add another 1,000 seats so they can surpass the 60,000 mark. I also think
  they should tear down the Flatirons club and the field house behind the
  west stands and then put an upper deck on the west stands. This could 
  probably bring the seating capacity up to 70,000. Those would be excellent 
  seats where as the new seats which are planned are kind of crummy.
  But the athletic director never asked for my input.
   
	Keith

      Build an all new stadium, since thats practically what they are
    doing, and put in real grass!
    
      Tim

  Yep, I gotta agree with you. 30 Million bucks is a lot to spend and only
  get another 6800 seats(most of which will be crummy seats). And yes, there's
  nothing better than grass stains and mud on a football player's jersey.
  It looks like they dint consult with you either before they decided to spend
  big bucks on some new potty's and some seats with bad views.

	Keith

      re-1
    
      I can't understand why they don't call me 1st about these things...
    
      I guess I need to be a consultant and send out cards...
    
     Tim

    Tim,
    
    If ya don't wanna send out cards,
    
    
    
    
    Send Hawk mail!
    
    ;^)
    
    
    I remain,
    in sympathy with the po' po' Postal woikahs!
    Kev
    

Hey Keith. What happens IF (I did not say when) the Fluffalo's start loosing
again and demand starts to lessen. That's a heck of a big investment for a
university to make. They've been winning now for something like 3 or 4 years.
That's not guarantee they will be winning long enough to pay off the stadium
expense. Now they may keep up the program and it would then certainly pay off.
I'm just saying "are they weighing the chances"?

Husker Henderson

P.S. Keith - so your so totally confident of a CU win over NU that you are
proclaiming it now in August? Take it from me - if NU wins then you will eat
crow till your sick of it.  ;^)

>Hey Keith. What happens IF (I did not say when) the Fluffalo's start loosing
>again and demand starts to lessen. That's a heck of a big investment for a

  No problem. After the Buffs destroy the Cornmunchers on Oct 30, the stadium 
  will sell at least 30 million bucks worth of beer to us fans celebrating
  on the field.

  In the unlikely event that the Cornbuskers luck out and win, the up and
  coming womens basketball team will bail em out by sellin out every game fer 
  the next 20 years.

  Now, for a serious reply. Yes, I think they're stickin their neck out pretty
  far. 

  I just wish they were addin some good seats for the average fan and
  not just for the people willing to shell out 20,000-30,000 bucks for a 
  skybox.

>P.S. Keith - so your so totally confident of a CU win over NU that you are
>proclaiming it now in August? Take it from me - if NU wins then you will eat
>crow till your sick of it.  ;^)

  I don't think I've ever said that I am confident that CU WILL win except 
  in a joking context. I am not confident of a CU win. I will only say that 
  it will be a terrific ball game and anything might happen. After last years 
  game, I know what crow tastes like. At least I sat back and ate it without 
  complainin about clips, better team lost, S.A. factor, etc. etc.

	Keith

>>P.S. Keith - so your so totally confident of a CU win over NU that you are
>>proclaiming it now in August? Take it from me - if NU wins then you will eat
>>crow till your sick of it.  ;^)

>  I don't think I've ever said that I am confident that CU WILL win except 
>  in a joking context. I am not confident of a CU win. I will only say that 
>  it will be a terrific ball game and anything might happen. After last years 
>  game, I know what crow tastes like. At least I sat back and ate it without 
>  complainin about clips, better team lost, S.A. factor, etc. etc.

	AMEN!!!

Claybone

>>P.S. Keith - so your so totally confident of a CU win over NU that you are
>>proclaiming it now in August? Take it from me - if NU wins then you will eat
>>crow till your sick of it.  ;^)

>  I don't think I've ever said that I am confident that CU WILL win except 
>  in a joking context. I am not confident of a CU win. I will only say that 
<  it will be a terrific ball game and anything might happen. After last years 
>  game, I know what crow tastes like. At least I sat back and ate it without 
>  complainin about clips, better team lost, S.A. factor, etc. etc.

>	Keith

Yea but Keith, is there some Motif widget that I can click on that says "Keith
is only kidding here - do not take seriously"? Or am I just supposed to assume
that because you use it in the context of funny Husker names (and they are 
funny) it is a joke? I think the sideways smilly face is the somewhat
universally known symbol for a joke.

When it's a close game there is always something for the looser to gripe about.
When you get beat 52-7 there is NOTHING you can say. It's only natural that you
say nothing after a loss like that. When it's close there are always the what 
if's to ponder.

I do think this years game will be close. NU caught CU in transition last year
and totally exploited their weaknesses. CU will be improved this year. I think
NU will improve it's passing game to add some balance. Game at CU this year. 
Colorado's tuf early season schedule will give them another edge. But I do look
for NU to improve from last year.

Gyawd this note was boring until I came back and livened it up. Geesh Keith and
Claybone, you guys make it sooooo easy. It's so easy to get your guys going...
;^)

 ^
 |
 |
Smily Face!

Go Huskers! Big-8 3-Peat

Husker Henderson

  Hey Marty, did you hear what happened yesterday at the Cornpunkster's 
  practice ?

  Tom Osborne came up to Calvin Jones and told him that he had to take a test 
  to see if he would meet NCAA academic standards before he would be allowed
  to play. So, Osborne said "The test consists of one question. What's the
  square root of 16 ?". Calvin said "4". Then the Nebraska students started
  yelling "Play him anyways. Play him anyways."

  Oh, BTW, just so there isn't any confusion, all of the above is said in 
  a joking manner.

	Keith

So if it's not 4 then what IS the square root of 16? And I dident think roots
were square. At least I've never seen a square one. Hmmm must be some mutant
thing.   ;^)

Good joke. Of course you KNOW what the "N" on the helmets stands for. That's the
oldest joke around almost.

By the way, did you kow that there are not, and never have been Buffalo in 
Colorado, of for that matter anywhere in North America? It's true.

Go Big Red!

Husker Henderson

>Of course you KNOW what the "N" on the helmets stands for. 

  Well, there's a lot of good answers to that question. How about:

	Numbskull
	Nitwit
	No_Brains
	Noodle_head
	Nothing_inside

  But of course, the best answer has always been "_Nowledge".

	Keith

>Any other Husker jokes floatin around ?

How about this one - How many Buffalo burgers does it take to satisfy a Husker?

   52

From:	DECPA::"huskers@notes.tssi.com" "MAIL-11 Daemon" 18-AUG-1993 09:22:07.66
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Husker fans,
    Just some notes gleaned from the Lincoln J-A.  Huskers are the heavy
favorite to win the Big 8.  The selection order was NU,CU,OU,KU,OSU,MU,KSU,
ISU.
    According to Dr Tom, this team may be his most athletic.  The nonfreshman
football players set new records based on Boyd Epley's conditioning tests to
back up his assessment.

    Approximately 2200 fans turned out for Photo Day.

    Willie Brown, who broke his neck in the spring game, has received a medical
scholarship. 

    Scott Baldwin was scheduled to graduate last Sat.


    2 1/2 more weeks until NU football.


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Husker Henderson



Article 40541 of rec.sport.football.college:

Time for my annual evaluation of top ten schedule toughness.  (That
is, the toughness of schedule of the top ten teams, not the top
ten teams in terms of schedule toughness.)

Let's look at 6 measures selected by yours truly for evaluating schedule
strength (always speculative at this point in the season, but nevertheless
of some value.)  I used The Sporting News' preseason top 25 for these
tests.


They are:  A) # of returning bowl teams
           B) # of returning winning teams
           C) # of teams in TSN's preseason top 25
           D) sum of (26-ranking) for all ranked opponents
           E) # of top 10 opponents
           F) # of teams which went to a bowl in 1991 or 1992
           G) average of all of the above rankings

A)	1. FSU (7)		B)	1. FSU (8)
	2. Notre Dame (6)		2. Notre Dame (6)
	3. Colorado (5)			3. Colorado (5)
	   Michigan (5)			   Miami (5)
	5. Miami (4)			   Michigan (5)
	6. Alabama (3)			6. Alabama (4)
	   Tennessee (3)		7. Nebraska (3)
	8. Syracuse (2)			   Syracuse (3)
	   Nebraska (2)			   Tennessee (3)
 	10. Texas A&M (1)		   Texas A&M (3)

C)	1. Notre Dame (7)	D)	1. Notre Dame (95)
	2. FSU (6)			2. FSU (66)
	3. Colorado (4)			3. Miami (65)
	   Miami (4)			4. Colorado (54)
	5. Michigan (3)			5. Tennessee (48)
	   Tennessee (3)		6. Michigan (34)
	7. Alabama (2)			7. Nebraska (21)
	   Nebraska (2)			   Syracuse (21)
	   Syracuse (2)			9. Alabama (18)
	10. Texas A&M (1)	 	10. Texas A&M (4)

E)	1. Miami (3)		F)	1. FSU (10)
	   Notre Dame (3)		2. Colorado (6)
	3. Colorado (2)			   Michigan (6)
	   FSU (2)			   Notre Dame (6)
	5. Alabama (1)			5. Alabama (4)
	   Michigan (1)			   Miami (4)
	   Nebraska (1)			   Nebraska (4)
	   Syracuse (1)			   Tennessee (4)
	   Tennessee (1)		9. Syracuse (3)
	10. Texas A&M (0)		10. Texas A&M (2)

G)	1. FSU (55.5)
	   Notre Dame (55.5)
	3. Colorado (44.5)
	4. Miami (42.5)
	5. Michigan (37)
	6. Tennessee (27)
	7. Alabama (23)
	8. Nebraska (20)
	9. Syracuse (17.5)
	10. Texas A&M (7.5)

[Note that if these rankings held up the 2 SEC teams would pick up
 additional difficulty by playing one another again.]


--
Mark Mitchell          Georgia Tech          mark.mitchell@matd.gatech.edu

                  "Who watches the Watchmen?"                            

  SI's college pre-season edition hits the streets today. They have the Buffs 
  ranked as the #5 team in the country. One other national magazine also has 
  them ranked at #5. I think it was either Athlon's or Lee Corso's. Most
  other publications have the Buffs ranked between #10-#13

  SI has a feature article on CU wide receiver, Charles Johnson. I'm eager to
  pick up a copy and read it since this guy has overcome incredible obstacles
  to achieve what he has. His father abondoned him and his mother when he 
  was a baby. His mother's life has been a constant battle with alchohol and
  drugs. Much of his life was spent homeless. He would often sleep in the park
  alone and when lucky, he would sleep at a friends apartment or rent a cheap
  room. He tried to commit suicide once and almost succeeded. Michael
  Westbrook gets all the press and I would agree that he is the better pro 
  prospect but CJ had more yards than him last year. He is the Buffs premier
  deep threat and some people think that he is the better college receiver. 
  He has appeared on many pre-season All-American lists(usually the 2nd 
  string). In addition to his athletic achievements, he just graduated.
  This was accomplished in just 3 years which is remarkable considering
  his background.

  On a unrelated topic, OLB, Greg Jones injured his knee yesterday. He will
  miss at least the opener and it's possible that he may miss the entire
  season. In the 1992 recruiting class, he was recognized as the nation's top
  LB prospect by many recruiting guru's. The CU coaching staff think that he
  has the talent to break all of the CU sack records. But now there's a good
  possibility that he may be redshirted this year because of the injury.

	Keith

CJ is quite a acccomplishment he just graduated after 3 years with a real 
degree GPA around 3.2 this guy knows what a scholarship is for and used it 
for a education not a free ticket into the pro's. 

Jeff

I got this from the Huskers mailing list on the Internet. I don't know how 
complete this list of coments from the Big-8 skywriteres may be. I'm just
passing on what I received...


From:	DECPA::"huskers@notes.tssi.com" "MAIL-11 Daemon" 31-AUG-1993 12:29:40.27
To:	uunet!tssi.com!huskers@uunet.UU.NET (huskernet)
CC:	
Subj:	skywriters comments on NU

Husker fans,
    Comments by the reporters of the annual big 8 skywriters tour:

Bob Hentzen - Topeka Capital-Journal - If Jones and Frazier reamin healthy, NU
might just win 'em all - at least until the Orange Bowl.

John Brooks - Sportcast Productions - Fro 21 years since the back-to-back nat'l
title runs, Husker faithful have had to be just that, faithful, with many great
teams unable to wint the big one.  If, indeed, as Tom Osborne predicts, the 93
club will be slightly improved, will it bring an end to a 6 bowl game losing
streak and a nat'l title or will the second half of that earlier sentence still
nag at Nebraska faithful.

Vahe Gregorian - St Louis Dispatch - Nothing gets between Calvin and his end
zones.  Huskers shuck the bridesmaid's reputation to compete for the MNC on
Jan. 1st.

Dave Schaefer - Boulder Daily Camera - With Calvin Jones running the ball and
Tommy Frazier throwing it, NU is the most dangerous team in the conference.
Add plenty of talent on the offensive line, at LB and the Huskers figure to
be headed to Miami.  CU, a potential stumbling block but the buffs must prove
it on the field.

Bob Dutton - KC Star - Wouldn't be fitting if NU marks the 10th anniversary of
its spectacular 1983 team by finally exorcising the ghost of ultimate
frustration.  This could be the year.  In short, NU is loaded, which is nothing
new, but other factors suggest this season could be something special.  The
Huskers benefit from a mild non-conference schedule and a year when the big 8
boast relative parity but only one powerful team.  Barring an unexpected 
surprise like last year's shocking 19-10 loss at ISU, NU should carry an 
unbeaten recore if it wins the Oct 30th at CU.

John Rohde - Daily Oklahoman - Last year, NU's football team had an Outland
Trophy winner, led the nation in rushing, won the big 8 title, went to a bowl
game and lost.  This year, NU will have a Heisman Trophy candidate, a huge
offensive line, a cushy non-conference schedule, will go to a bowl game and
lose.  It's all too predictable.

Herb Jacobs - Lawton Constituition - I was very impressed with CU's program but
NU is NU.  People a lot smarter than I am think they're going to wint the 
thing and I'd agree.  Jones is the best RB in the conference but a lot depends
on Tommy Frazier.

Van Shea - KFOR - It's a different breed of athlete in Lincoln.  CU compares but
on the other 6 stops, the athletes are different.  It's like going from a mule
to a thoroughbred.  Everyone here looks like a nice steak; they're cut perfect.
People say the schedule is soft but I think works in NU's favor because they
are going with a new defense utilizing more speed.  And that's what going to
beat the Miamis and FSUs.  I picked NU one, CU two before the tour started and 
nothing has changed my mind yet.

    I havent seen a depth chart yet, but backup QB's look like Veland and
Berringer.  Ruiz is probably No. 4.  RB backups are Damon Benning with
Childs and Frosh Lawrence Phillips vying for the No. 3 spot.

    More later.


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Article 41978 of rec.sport.football.college:
I thought I might provide some information to all HUSKER fans that are
residing in geographical areas with a dearth of coverage about their favorite
team. So here is the preseason update...

Current Nebraska Stats:
W-L record 0-0-0

Rushing, Passing, other stats will go here...

Ranking: 9

Nebraska's schedule:
                                Opposition's    Oppnt     NU
Game                            Current            Gameday      Game
Date    Opponent                Ranking            Ranking      Result
------- ----------------------- --------------- --------------- --------------
9-4     North Texas     (I-AA)    --              --      9
9-11    Texas Tech               ~44              ??
9-18    @ UCLA                   ~32              ??
9-25    Colorado State            --              ??
10-7    @ Oklahoma State          --              ??
10-16   Kansas State              --              ??
10-23   Missouri                  --              ??
10-30   @ Colorado                11              ??
11-6    @ Kansas                  --              ??
11-13   Iowa State                --              ??
11-26   Oklahoma                  21              ??

Comments:
The Rankings are from the AP poll.

The season finally gets underway this weekend with a game against I-AA North
Texas. NT is a late replacement for Wyoming which had messed up it's scheduling
somehow. This is the last Div. I-AA team NU will ever play according to Tom 
Osborne and AD Bill Byrne. This game should be good for getting game experience
for the backup players.

My prediction: NU 52-7


Projected starters for NU as of the depth chart
printed in this mornings paper.

Offense:
Quarterback  - Tommie Frazier
Fullback     - Cory Schlesinger
I-back       - Calvin Jones
Wingback     - Abdul Muhammad
Split end    - Corey Dixon
Tight end    - Gerald Armstrong
Left tackle  - Lance Lundberg
Left guard   - Rob Zatechka
Center       - Ken Mehlin
Right guard  - Brenden Stai
Right tackle - Zach Wiegert

Defense:
Left outside linebacker  - Donta Jones
Tackle                   - Kevin Ramaekers
Nose tackle              - Terry Connealy
Right outside linebacker - Trev Alberts
Sam linebacker           - Ernie Beler
Mike linebacker          - Mike Anderson
Will linebacker          - Ed Stewart
Left cornerback          - Barron Miles
Right cornerback         - John Reece
Roverback                - Toby Wright
Free Safety              - Troy Dumas

Place-kicker/Punter      - Byron Bennett


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CU begins the season September 4th this year vs TEXAS. Nebraska starts there 
season October 30 anainst Colorado. Some people might think that this is unfair 
but who is gonna complain Nebraska begins it's schedule against TEXAS Saturday
as well "North Texas". 

Find a Schedule Tom Osborne.

    
    Osborne has the #1 schedule in the US.  Until the Orange Bowl, that is.
    
    

      Why does NU get 7 home games and 4 away games?
    
      Tim

    
    	I think it has something to do with Wyoming backing out on
    	them.  Marty?
    
    Claybone

Because they can schedule their out of conference games at home against lesser
opponents that are willing to play an extra away game for the cash involved.

I'm not ragging on NU Marty. It's what all the major programs due when they pad
their schedules. It's only when they play equal ability opponents that they end
up scheduling the 1-1 series where each gets a home game...

Metz

I know that most of the NU schedule rag notes were not directed specifically
at me. But I know what you are thinking and you know who you are!!!

So here goes...

I do not like NU's non-conference schedule!!!

Now let me repeat that 10 times:

I do not like NU's non-conference schedule!!!
I do not like NU's non-conference schedule!!!
I do not like NU's non-conference schedule!!!
I do not like NU's non-conference schedule!!!
I do not like NU's non-conference schedule!!!
I do not like NU's non-conference schedule!!!
I do not like NU's non-conference schedule!!!
I do not like NU's non-conference schedule!!!
I do not like NU's non-conference schedule!!!
I do not like NU's non-conference schedule!!!


(Thank you Window Gods for mouse cut & paste)

I can't defend a schedule like that for a major college football power.

Now let me make another statement:

I, as an avid Husker fan, have NOTHING to do with the schedule!!! 

So don't get on my A$$ about it!!! Call the Nebraska AD's office and bitch 
there if you want to say something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm just one of many
avid, blood bleeds Husker Red, loyal fans who have no say in the schedules
that Devaney has put together.

NU's schedule was not always like this. NU had home/away series in the 80's with
UCLA (they were good then), Iowa (they were good then also), Florida State,
Pen State (when they were very good), Auburn (they were good then also), and 
some others I can't think of now.

Why has the schedule slipped in recent years? Idunnknow! I have no clue. Perhaps
Devaney (the AD who scheduled this krap) wants a national championship so bad
that he stoops to scheduling like this. Perhaps the University needs the money
so they schedule whoever will play at Nebraska. I DON'T KNOW. Does Osborne have
any say in the schedule? I don't know but my guess is that he does.

Now keep in mind one thing. Devaney has retired. A new AD from OUTSIDE Nebraska
has been hired. Schedules are made up years in advance. Wait aprox. 5 years and
we will see the effects of the new Nebraska AD. 

That's all I can say about it except that yes, Wyoming did back out of this 
game at Nebraska so NU had to schedule anyone who would play them. It has been
stated that NU will not schedule any more non-division 1 teams. I think the
new AD said it - I'm not sure.

I would LOVE to see Nebraska play a schedule like, say, Norte Dame, Florida,
UCLA, and Wisconsin (Hey, you have to have a tune up game) or something like
that.

As a fan I can say that it's really not much fun. There are only perhaps 3 or
4 games out of 11 in which the outcome is of any doubt. This year UCLA, CU, OU,
and the Orange Bowl (you KNOW the Huskers will be there.  ;^)  ). So there are
only a few games a year to get a pizza, be in front of the tube and get psyched
up for. I'd like to more added to that number.

Now having said that I'll say this. I think Nebraska will be the class of the
Big-8 again this year. They are getting better. They got better last year from
sub-standard teams of '89, '90 and '91. Osborne says they will be better in '93
than they were in '92. I look for them to make the Orange Bowl and make a game
of it even if they don't win the "Florida Home Team" bowl.

Of course, as we all know, I could live to eat those words. Not 1 game has even
been played yet so we will see...

On the other hand. Colorado finally "gets" to play a Florida team. All I can say
is - NO COMMENT! (Tee Hee Heee) It's kind of like '88 when NU knocked off 
Switzers last OU team. At mid field Switzer gave Osborne a look kind to say "Ha,
we are nothing - wait till you face Miami!". Well I think you can understand my
point. (However, I don't think Miami is as good now as they were in '88)

It should be an exciting year. By the way - I do think that Miami will be CU's
only pre-Big-8 loss. Hey, that's a compliment!

Husker Henderson

      So the Wyoming game had nothing to do with the home vs away games.
    It still woulda been 7h to 4a games.
    
      Tim

It was a home game with Wyoming this year. It does not look any better in the
next few years...


	     Future Nebraska Football Schedules

1993
1993
	
		Sep.  4 Wyoming - HOME
		     11 Texas Tech - HOME
		     18 UCLA
		     25 Colorado State - HOME
		Oct.  9 Oklahoma State
		     16 Kansas State - HOME
		     23 Missouri
		     30 Colorado
		Nov.  6 Kansas - HOME
		     13 Iowa State
		     20 Oklahoma - HOME
	

1994
1994
	
		Sep.  3 Wyoming - HOME
		     10 Texas Tech
		     17 UCLA - HOME
		     24 Utah State - HOME
		Oct.  8 Oklahoma State - HOME
		     15 Kansas State
		     22 Missouri - HOME
		     29 Colorado - HOME
		Nov.  5 Kansas
		     12 Iowa State - HOME
		     19 Oklahoma
		
		
1995
1995
	
		Sep.  9 Michigan State
		     16 Arizona State - HOME
		     23 Utah State - HOME
		     30 Washington State - HOME
		
		
1996
1996

		Sep.  7 Nevasa-Las Vegas - HOME
		     14 Michigan State - HOME
		     21 Arizona State
		     28 Colorado State - HOME

re: -1

No way CU dude! It's YOUR blood pressure that is up. Until you are able to
avenge that 52-7 loss (the word "loss" is a MAJOR understatement) then it's
YOU who are under the 8-ball. Weak NU schedule or no weak NU schedule!

Husker Henderson

From the INTERNET:

Article 42587 of rec.sport.football.college:

Memorial stadium was once again packed for the 189th straight sellout on a
sunny saturday afternoon for a game against a lowly Division I-AA team,
North Texas University. The final results were predictable, NU 76 NTU 14.
There were some anxious moments, NU sophmore sensation QB Tommie Frazier
sprained his right ankle on the first play from scrimmage, tried to play one
more down, and left the game for good. He is listed as probable for next weeks
game against Texas Tech.
   With Frazier gone, 2nd string QB Brook Berringer came in and unveiled
"Air Ozzie," hitting split end Cory Dixon for a 33 yard TD pass. Overall NU
threw only 17 times, completing 14!!! That's a percentage of 82% !!! From this
fan's perspective watching from the south end of the stadium, I gotta say the
coaches weren't lying when they said the NU receivers were talented. They were
making catches that had me wondering if we had kidnapped Miami's receiving
corps. Overall, I give NU's passing game an A+ for this game.
   The running game did well, as expected, although Heisman Candidate Calvin
Jones was injured on what would have been his last carry of the day, even if
he hadn't been hurt. Calvin's injury, a strained ligament in his left knee,
will keep him out of next week's game. However, this morning's paper said
there is a possibility Jones could be ready for the UCLA game.
   The new defense gets a mixed review from my standpoint. At times they looked
brilliant, at other times they seemed disorganized. This could be chalked up to
first game problems that will disappear in the next game. We'll have to wait
and see. The D did make some great plays, they even contributed to the score, 
returning one of two interceptions 33 yards for a TD.

   Overall the scoring went like this: (From the Omaha World Herald)
1st Quarter:
  NU - UNT
   7 - 0   NU touchdown: Corey Dixon 33-yard pass from Brook Berringer. 
	   Conversion Byron Bennett kick. Drive 80 yards in 6 plays. Time
           elapsed: 2:34. Key plays: Calvin Jones runs of 13 and 23 yards.
           Time left: 12:26.
  14 - 0   NU touchdown: Jones 1-yard run. Conversion: Bennett kick. Drive:
           12 yards in 4 plays. Time elapsed: 1:12. Key play: Kareem Moss 52 
           yard punt return to the UNT 12. Time left: 8:15
  21 - 0   NU touchdown: Toby Wright 33-yard interception return. Conversion:
           Bennett kick. Time left: 7:03
  28 - 0   NU touchdown: Abdul Muhammad 11-yard pass from Tony Veland. 
           Conversion: Bennett kick. Drive: 47 yards in 6 plays. Time elapsed:
           2:09. Key plays: Veland passes of 14 yards to Dixon and 11 yards to
           Gerald Armstrong. Time left: 2:34.
2nd Quarter:
  35 - 0   NU touchdown: Berringer 1-yard run. Conversion: Bennett kick. Drive:
           60 yards in 6 plays. Time elapsed: 2:44. Key plays: Berringer 
           passes of 10 yards to Clester Johnson, 9 yards to Dixon, and 37 
           yards to Reggie Baul. Time left: 10:56.
  35 - 7   UNT touchdown: Terrance Brown 2-yard run. Conversion: Richard
           DeFelice kick. Drive: 27 yards in 4 plays. Time elapsed: 1:37. Key
           play: Mitch Maher 32-yard pass to David Brown to NU 2. Time left:
           6:42.
  42 - 7   NU touchdown: Jones 24-yard run. Conversion: Bennett kick. Drive:
           46 yards in 8 plays. Time elapsed: 3:19. Key plays: Jones 10-yard
           run and Veland 9-yard pass to Jones. Time left: 2:50.
3rd Quarter:
  49 - 7   NU touchdown: Berringer 4-yard run. Conversion: Bennett kick. Drive:
           18 yards in 3 plays after Donta Jones recovered Benny Valentine
           fumble. Time elapsed: 35 seconds. Key play: Cory Schlesinger 16-yard
           run to UNT 2. Time left: 13:05.
  56 - 7   NU touchdown: Veland 1-yard run. Conversion: Bennett kick. Drive:
           63 yards in 7 plays. Time elapsed: 2:45. Key plays: Jones 14-yard
           run and passes of 18 yards from Berringer to Johnson and 17 yards
           from Veland to Trumain Bell. Time left: 8:35.
  63 - 7   NU touchdown: Damon Benning 9-yard run. Conversion: Tom Sieler kick.
           Drive: 71 yards in 5 plays. Time elapsed: 2:01. Key play: Benning
           51-yard run to UNT 11. Time left: 5:30.
  63 - 14  UNT touchdown: Clayton George 71-yard pass from Maher. Conversion:
           DeFelice kick. Drive: 71 yards in 2 plays. Time elapsed: 15 seconds
           Time left: 5:08.
4th Quarter:
  70 - 14  NU touchdown: Riley Washington 15-yard pass from Matt Turman.
           Conversion: Bennett kick. Drive: 55 yards in 9 plays. time elapsed:
           2:57. Key play: Clinton Childs 12-yard run to UNT 20. Time left:
           12:45.
  76 - 14  NU touchdown: Turman 1-yard run. Conversion: David Seizys tacked
           after mishandling snap. Drive: 51 yards in 10 plays. Time elapsed:
           4:32. Key plays: Jeff Makovicka runs of 11 and 7 yards. Time left:
           7:46.

Game Stats:
Category				UNT		NU
First Downs				11		28
  by rushing				2		17
  by passing				8		11
  by penalty				1		0
Rushes - yards				30 - 39		61 - 360
  Avg. per carry			1.3		5.9
Comp. - att. - int.			15 - 34 - 2	14 - 17 - 1
Passing yards				255		215
Total yards				294		575
Total plays				64		78
  Avg. per play				4.6		7.4
Kickoff returns				8 - 194		1 - 14
Punt returns				0 - 0		4 - 78
Punts - average				7 - 40.1	1 - 31
Fumbles - lost				1 - 1		1 - 0
Penalties - yards			6 - 43		3 - 35
Sacks by - yards lost			0 - 0		5 - 41
3rd-down conversions			3 - 15		9 - 12
4th-down conversions			1 - 3		1 - 2
Time of possession			27:28		32:32

Some individual stats:
Rushing:
Calvin Jones had 124 yards on 16 carries. 7.8 yds/crry, Long 24 yards. 2 TDs.
Damon Benning: 82 yds, 8 carries, 10.3 y/c. Long 51, 1 TD.

Passing:
Brook Berringer 7 of 7 for 124 yards and 1 TD.
Tony Veland 6 of 9 with 1 int. 76 yards and 1 TD.

Receiving:
Corey Dixon 3 catches for 56 yards.
Reggie Baul 1 catch for 37 yards.
Clester Johnson 2 catches for 28 yards.

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I listened to the Husker radio network pre-game show Saturday. It's on AM 1060
KLMO for you CU fans.  ;^)   It's sponsored by the club called "Coloradans for
Nebraska". No lie.

Anyway, they put it to Osborne about the schedule. Osborne stressed that NU gets 
about 1 million $$$ plus for a home game. The paycheck for an away game is about
250 to 300 thousand dollars. He stressed that NU will continue to seek out pre
season games at home. OK so the money is the reason. We ALL have our price and
you KNOW who you are!!    ;^)

Osborne also stated that he is "out of the scheduling business" and that the
new AD has taken over in that respect. He continued that the new AD has already
worked out deals with Michigan, Iowa, Michigan State, is working on Notre Dame,
AND there will be no more 1-AA schooles on the schedule - PERIOD, end of story
forever and ever amen!

Next week for the Big Red - Texas Tech. A weak opponent. Smokin Tommy Frazier 
will play but Jones is out for the game. Just means he'll be stronger when the
Big-8 teams start knockin on the door. They are saying he may be able to play
at UCLA. Time will tell.

Air Ozzie - watch for it!!!

Husker Henderson

  Well, I gotta report the bad news along with the good.

  2 red-shirt freshmen were arrested for weapons violations. They are
  Keenan Gardner(TE) and Thadus Swazer(OLB). Gardner was already in the
  dog house with Coach Mac for another unspecified reason. Swazer was a very
  promising outside linebacker who moved up to the 2nd string. Both of them 
  are now barred from campus and will most certainly be kicked off the team.

  Starting tailback, Lamont Warren, was arrested for a failure to appear in 
  court for some very minor infraction. This was discovered when he was 
  stopped for an open container(which was not alchohol and thus he was not 
  charged with anything). I expect that he'll miss the next game.

  1st team, all Big 8 basketball star, Donnie Boyce was arrested when he got 
  into a scuffle with Boulder police at 3:00 in the morning. The police saw
  him exchange money with another man and then received a "white object". The
  police told Boyce to show them what was in his hand. Then the scuffle 
  broke out and the police never did find the white object.
    
  Yesterday was a dark day for CU athletics.

	Keith  

    Look on the bright side Keith, the CO prisons will have an awesome
    atheltic program.
    
    Happy to help,
    
    John "D Cowboys" R.

  Joe Cotanch and I attended the CU-Texas game at Folsom field last Saturday
  night. Our seats are right in the middle of the horseshoe, 3 rows from
  the top. I don't like being that far from the action but at least we could
  see the whole field and the seats are better than the ones we had at last 
  year's CSU and Oklahoma games. Now here's my impressions of the game:

     The Buffs offense is much improved and more mature. There was only one 
     turnover and it happened early in the game when the players still had 
     the jitters. They gained as much on the ground as they did in the air.

     Kordell Stewart was very accurate with his throws. Texas never came
     close to making an interception. He had 3 TD throws. The ones to
     Johnson and Westbrook should make some hightlight films.

     It will be very difficult to stop the Buff passing attack. I feel very 
     strongly that Michael Westbrook, Charles Johnson and Tight End Christian
     Fauria make up the best set of receivers in college football.

     Pass protection still needs to be improved but it appears better than 
     last year.

     The new running plays and run blocking are much improved.

     The defense did a lot of bending but never really broke. But it did
     give up way too many yards. The Buffs appear weak in the middle linebacker
     positions. They really miss Greg Biekert.

     Cornerback Chris Hudson was all over the field and came up with 2 INTs.
     One of the INTs was returned for a TD. While his play was superior, 
     improvement is needed in the rest of the defensive backfield.
     Hudson was named Big 8 defense player of the week.

     James Kidd was the starter at kick return but was never able to return one
     because of the depth of the Texas kickoffs. I can't wait to see to see 
     what happens when he gets the ball in a real game since he was very 
     impressive in spring practice.
      
     This had to be one of the longest college games that I have ever watched.
     At the end of the first quarter, I thought it was halftime.

     On Saturday, the Baylor Bears roll into Boulder. I expect a high scoring
     game which may be much closer than many people expect.

	Keith

Whattabout that Catch? Was it a catch?

I saw the replays of the Stanford-Colorado game a couple of times. At
regular speed it looked like a_incompletion. On the slow-mo, it looked
like a catch. It appeared that the catch, the foot on the ground and the
hit all happened simultaneously which because of end zone rules makes it
a TD. Then the ball popped out.

In any case, the refs called it a catch.

TTom

    
    	As much as I hate to admit it, yes, it was a catch.
    
    	Kordell stunk it up big time in the 1st half and the defense
    	was a sieve down the strech.  It also looks like CU is gonna
    	have problems with the kicking game again this year.
    
    Claybone

    
    >	As much as I hate to admit it, yes, it was a catch.
    
    You really think so?  I was just as happy to see Stanford pull off the
    upset as not, but I think that call should be made consistent with the
    same call as it is made between the goal lines as opposed to in the 
    end zone-- almost certainly no fumble, but an incompletion.  Still,
    Stanford probably would have settled for the tie from the 4- or 5-yard
    line, no?  Either way, they had one more shot to win or tie, I guess,
    which is a position Colorado didn't want to be in...
    
    glenn
     

    Initially I thought it was an incomplete pass. The replay showed that
    it was a catch.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    I agree with Glenn - if he can't hold onto ball after hit then he
    didn't have it in the first place
    
    Same as old call in baseball which I notice leagues outside major
    leagues have changed - if judged in possesion prior to tag then out
    regardless

In the end zone, all you need is instantaneous possession. Whether it's
catching a pass or extending the ball over the goal line, whatever
happens, unlike in the regular field of play, doesn't matter.

Perhaps this is the rule that some are suggesting be changed.

There's little doubt that if'n this pass was in the field of play it
woulda been ruled a_incompletion.

TTom

    What the hail is instantaneoes possession really mean?
    
    That's a god-awful interpretation.
    
    MikeL
    

It's just payback for the 5 downs the 'Buffs had the year they "won" the
mythical....

Ya win some, ya lose some...

Metz

Seems that even though My pappy is a Stanford alumni and I am a CU fan I could
not see CU winning that game.  Reminds me of the win over Missouri in 5 downs. 
CU could not move the ball and when they did the defense would open up a hole 
big enough for a truck to drive through. 
The worst part was I was up camping with the family and my wife wanted to 
watch the Miss America pagent instead of listening to the Buffalo's.


Jeff

    
> In the end zone, all you need is instantaneous possession. Whether it's
> catching a pass or extending the ball over the goal line, whatever
> happens, unlike in the regular field of play, doesn't matter.
> 
> Perhaps this is the rule that some are suggesting be changed.
>
> There's little doubt that if'n this pass was in the field of play it
> woulda been ruled a_incompletion.
    
    As MikeL suggests, I don't think there's a separate rule for possession 
    in the end zone (other than the fact that there can't be a fumble, so
    the receiver doesn't have to safely down the ball).  I think the above 
    is an interpretation, and one that is applied inconsistently and too
    loosely in most cases.  After all, it is completely legal to hit a man 
    in the end zone for the purpose of separating him from the ball.  The
    possession part, instantaneous or otherwise, seems to be completely a
    judgment call...  
    
    glenn
    

I get pro and college mixed up some but ...

There are definitely a set of rules for dealing with the end zone. One of
these is the extension of the ball through the boundary of the end zone.
Once the plane has been broken it matters not if'n the guy fumbles as
long as it's afterward.

Same for determining possession for a catch.

As for

>       -< End zone rules remove fumbles; don't relate to possession... >-

Doesn't a fumble relate to possession?

TTom

    
>>       -< End zone rules remove fumbles; don't relate to possession... >-
>
> Doesn't a fumble relate to possession?
    
    Sorry about that; make that "initial possession".  I don't think there
    are different rules on establishing possession in the first place.
    Obviously anything that that would be ruled a fumble between the
    stripes is a TD in the end zone.  But I do think the
    complete/incomplete decision is *supposed* to be the same in the end
    zone as everywhere else; hence the legality of sticking a receiver in 
    the end zone to break up a pass play.
    
    glenn
    
    

I'm witcha, Glenn.

With the exception of extending the ball into the end zone, IMO, the
rules should be the same for the end zone and the other 100 yards. 

TTom

Doesn't it all hinge on when the play is over?  In the end zone, the
play is over as soon as possession of the ball in the end zone is
established.  Any place else on the field, the play's not over until
the person holding the ball is down or out of bounds.

I didn't see the play, but I would expect that the same "catch" made
anywhere else but the end zone would be ruled a catch and a fumble.

Jerry

Article 44739 of rec.sport.football.college:
The Huskers won their 3rd game of the young season against UCLA by the score
of 14 - 13. This was by far the worst that the Huskers have looked all year.
I think UCLA is probably better than most people give them credit for, but 
I think the Husker defense will be spending alot of time working on tackling
fundamentals this week. Trev Alberts seemed to be the only defensive player
who could tackle the UCLA backs for much of the game. At least they held when
it counted the most, during the 4th quarter.
 
Offensively, the Husker's seemed to move the ball well for most of the game, 
but virtually every time they threatened to score, they would turn the ball
over. NU had 4 turnovers without gaining any from UCLA. I must say Tommie
Frazier was inspirational playing on a gimpy ankle that limited his running
ablility. His passing was effective for the most part, he was 13 of 19 for 
145 yards and 1 interception and 1 TD. Many of those passes were clutch plays
that kept drives alive. Lawrence Phillips, a true freshman did the bulk of 
the running from the I-back position, with 137 yards on 28 carries. Although
Phillips did very well, it will be a great relief to have Calvin Jones back.
 
Overall, it was great to win, but dissappointing in how they played. We're 
going to have to improve alot if we want to beat Colorado in Boulder. Luckily
we have a game against Colorado State next week followed by a weekend off. So
we should be completely healthy when Big 8 play starts on Oct. 7.
 
   The scoring story: (From the Omaha World Herald)
1st Quarter:
  NU - UCLA
   0 - 3   UCLA field goal: 39 yards by Bjorn Merten. Drive: 41 yards in 8 
	   plays. Time elapsed: 3:21. Key plays:Kevin Jordan 29-yard pass
	   from Wayne Cook, Skip Hicks 10-yard run. Time left: 13:00.
2nd Quarter:
   0 - 10  UCLA touchdown: Skip Hick 6-yard run. Conversion: Merten kick. 
	   Drive:72 yards in 9 plays. Time elapsed: 3:55. Key plays: Sharman 
	   Shah 18-yard run to UCLA 49, NU defensive holding penalty on Cook
	   incompletion, Shah 12-yard run to NU 25.Time left: 6:06.
   7 - 10  NU touchdown: Lawrence Phillips 5-yard run. Conversion: Byron
	   Bennett kick. Drive: 80 yards in 9 plays. Time elapsed: 3:12. Key
	   plays: Gerald Armstrong 31-yard pass from Tommie Frazier, Abdul
	   Muhammed 16-yard shovel pass from Frazier to UCLA 5.
3rd Quarter:
  14 - 10  NU touchdown: Armstrong 11-yard pass from Frazier. Conversion:
	   Bennett kick. Drive: 80 yards in 14 plays. Time elapsed: 5:50. 
	   Key plays: Frazier passes of 11 yards to Muhammed and 16 yards to
	   Trumane Bell, Phillips 11-yard run, plus 5-yard UCLA face-mask
	   penalty on 3rd and 12 to UCLA 22. Time left: 6:56.
4th Quarter:
  14 - 13  UCLA field goal: 27 yards by Merten. Drive: 82 yards in 10 plays. 
	   Time elapsed: 5:15. Key plays: Hicks 28-yard run, Mike Nguyen
	   16-yard pass from Cook on 3rd and 4 to NU 37, Hicks 23-yard run
	   to NU 14. Time left: 12:22.
 
Game Stats:
Category                                NU              UCLA
First Downs                             22              19
  by rushing                            11              10
  by passing                            9               8 
  by penalty                            2               1
Rushes - yards                          49 - 208        43 - 192
  Avg. per carry                        4.2             4.5
Comp. - att. - int.                     13 - 19 - 1     11 - 22 - 0
Passing yards                           145             134
Total yards                             353             326
Total plays                             68              65
  Avg. per play                         5.2             5.0
Kickoff returns                         2 - 47          2 - 34
Punt returns                            3 - 21          2 - 6 
Punts - average                         3 - 44.0        6 - 40.5
Fumbles - lost                          4 - 3           1 - 0
Penalties - yards                       5 - 45          7 - 67
Sacks by - yards lost                   6 - 33          1 - 7 
3rd-down conversions                    7 - 15          4 - 13
Time of possession                      28:00           32:00
 
Some individual stats:
Rushing:
Lawrence Phillips: 137 yards on 28 carries. 4.9 yds/crry, Long 16, 1 TD.
Tommie Frazier: 33 yds, 9 carries, 3.7 y/c. Long 15.
Cory Schlesinger: 20 yds, 5 carries, 4.0 y/c. Long12.
Damon Benning had 18 yds on 7 carries. 2.6 yds/crry, Long 8 yards.
 
Passing:
Tommie Frazier: 13 of 19 for 145 yds, and 1 TD, with 1 interception.
 
Receiving:
Abdul Muhammad 3 catches for 38 yards.
Reggie Baul 3 catches for 20 yards.
Gerald Armstrong 2 catch for 42 yards.
Trumane Bell 2 catches for 37 yards.
Corey Dixon 2 catches for 7 yards.
 
Tackles:
Toby Wright: 13 total, 12 unassisted 1 assist.
Trev Albers: 12 total, 10 unassisted 2 assists, 2 sacks.
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Article 44958 of rec.sport.football.college:
      -----=====< The A.P. Top 25 >=====-----

THIS LAST
WEEK WEEK  SCHOOL      W L T  Last Week's Results          Next Game
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 1    1  Florida St    4 0 0  WON at N.Carolina, 33-7      v. GA Tech, 10/2
 2    2  Alabama       3 0 0  WON v. Arkansas, 43-3        v. LA Tech, 9/25
 3    3  Miami         2 0 0  WON v. Va Tech, 21-2         at Colorado,9/25
 4    4  Notre Dame    3 0 0  WON v. Mich.St, 36-14        at Purdue, 9/25
 5    9  Florida       3 0 0  WON v. Tennessee, 41-34      v. Miss. St, 10/2
 6    8  Nebraska      3 0 0  WON at UCLA, 14-13           v. ColoradoSt,9/25
 7   11  Ohio State    3 0 0  WON at Pitt, 63-28           v. N'Western,10/2
 8   10  Michigan      1 1 0  --IDLE--                     v. Houston, 9/25
 9   14  Penn State    3 0 0  WON at Iowa, 31-0            v. Rutgers, 9/25
10   12  Oklahoma      2 0 0  --IDLE--                     v. Tulsa, 9/25
11    5  Tennessee     2 1 0  LOST at Florida, 41-34       v. LSU, 9/25
12    6  Syracuse      2 0 1  TIED at Texas, 21-21         v. Cincinnati,9/25
13    7  Colorado      2 1 0  LOST at Stanford, 41-37      v. Miami, 9/25
14   16  Texas A&M     2 1 0  WON v. Missouri, 73-0        at Texas Tech,10/2
15   15  Arizona       3 0 0  WON at Illinois, 16-14       at Oregon, 9/25
16   18  Washington    1 1 0  --IDLE--                     v. E.Carolina,9/25
17   20  Stanford      2 1 0  WON v. Colorado, 41-37       v. UCLA, 9/25
18   13  N.Carolina    3 1 0  LOST v. FloridaSt,33-7       at NC State, 9/25
19   17  NC State      2 0 0  --IDLE--                     v. N.Carolina,9/25
20   21  California    3 0 0  WON at Temple, 58-0          v. SanJose St,9/25
21   19  BYU           3 0 0  WON at ColoradoSt, 27-22     v. AirForce, 9/25
22   25  Virginia      3 0 0  WON at GA Tech, 35-14        v. Duke, 9/25
23   24  Wisconsin     3 0 0  WON v. Iowa St, 28-7         at Indiana, 9/25
24   --  Louisville    3 0 0  WON v. Boston Coll, 35-17    v. Texas, 9/25
25   --  Auburn        3 0 0  WON at LSU, 34-10            v. So. Miss, 9/25

   Last week's casualties...

LAST
WEEK  SCHOOL       W L T  Last Game                    Next Game
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 22  Boston Coll   0 2 0  LOST at NWestern, 22-21      v. Temple, 9/25
 23  Arizona St    1 1 0  LOST at Louisville, 35-17    v. OklahomaSt,9/25

Well the CU game was a heartbreaker for you CU dudes and dudettes. Us Husker
fans know about lossed like that - remember 1982 at Penn State? A controversial
call in that game cost us the MNC.

Anyway, the Stanford game. All I can say is that CU better get it's Defense
tuned up or OU and NU will have it's way...  Look for some high scoring CU
games this year. I mean high scoring for both teams. Defense wins championships.

The call could have gone either way. The issue is possession. That is the only
issue. As I see it thru my red glasses - the Stanford receiver caught the ball
and was pulling it down to his chest with both hands. One of his feed hit the
ground also before the CU guy hit him - it's a TD. Another ref might have 
called it different but this one saw a TD. Game over - great comeback for the
Cardinal.

I will tell you what people have been saying on the usenet (Not just Husker
fans) with great frequency - "what goes around comes around". The 5th down,
the clip on Rockets punt return, the missed punt return clips vs Nebraska in
'89 and other examples are being brought up. Luck is fickle. Maybee next time
it'll go CU's way again. Or have they used up their luck?   ;^)

Husker Henderson

By the way. I don't think CU can afford to look to the NU game this year. They
will be doing good to bet by OU.

Marty

    
    	The way OU whupped Texas A & M, anybody that beats OU will be
    	doing good.
    
    Claybone

  After going on vacation for a couple weeks, it's nice to see some activity
  in here again. It looks the Buffs are in the middle of another controversy.
  This time it's the "Standfud catch/nocatch" that went Standfuds way.

  I'm with the rest of you that think that a catch should be called the same
  way if it's in the middle of the field or in the endzone. Plus I've seen 
  some replays where it's very questionable as to whether he had possession or
  not. Not all of the Refs thought it was a good catch. They had to huddle fer 
  a while before they gave it to the home team. The play was as close as they 
  come and the Buffs just ended up on the short end of the stick. 

  But in regards to this game, I don't think it matters a heck of a lot. I 
  mean, gee wiz, the Buffs were up by 10 points with 4 minutes left in the 
  game. Us Buff fans were thinkin everything would have to go wrong from here 
  for the Cardinal to win. And guess what, everything did go wrong and the 
  Buffs lost. But most of the blame belongs squarely on the shoulders of the 
  Black n Gold players and coaches. Stewart played like he wus wearin
  Mr Magoo's glasses for the first quarter and the last series. On the last 
  kickoff, the special teams really blew it and Westbrook only returned it to
  the 15 yard line. Berger, who was still out to lunch because of a concussion
  he received making a tackle on his last kickoff, shanked his punt which 
  gave the Cardinal a very short field. The list of squandered opportunities
  and dumb mistakes goes on and on and on. Nope, ya can't blame this game on 
  the Zebras. Also, I thought Stenstrom(the Cardinal QB) played the game of
  his life and deserves a lot of credit.

  On the bright side, Charles Johnson looks like the best receiver in college
  football. And, the "We Backs", in the big 8 this year, appear to be Rashaan
  Salaam and Lamont Warren. 

  Well the Buffs can make up for the West coast fiasco this weekend when 
  the Hurry Canes come into town. Joe and I are goin up early and are really
  lookin forward to a great game. I just hope the Buffs can overcome the 
  depression they must have felt after the big loss on Sat night.

	Keith

    Gee thanks 'Bone, afta I done throwed a "bone" yo' way.
    
    Hmmmmph
    MikeL
    

From:	DECPA::"huskers@notes.tssi.com" "MAIL-11 Daemon" 22-SEP-1993 21:28:25.16
To:	huskers@tower.tssi.com
CC:	
Subj:	Husker Notes, September 22nd

I caught Tom Osborne's TV show on Prime Sports tonight.  Tom was pretty
cool about the UCLA game, even when the ref's BLEW the fumble call late
in the game, just before UCLA scored the final FG.  He did admit that they
didn't tackle very well.

Injury reports:  Calvin Jones is still out but may be back for the Oklahoma
State game.  Calvin has been wearing a knee brace to avoid further injury.
Outside LB Donta Jones is doubtful for the Colorado State game but did practice
on Tuesday.  Outside LB Bruce Moore (pulled groin) is questionable.
QB Ben Rutz should be cleared again to play this week, if needed.  Tackles
Zach Wiegert (ankle/knee) and Lance Lundberg (back) returned to practice
Tuesday, along with FB Cory Schlesinger (ankle), WB Abdul Muhammad (knee/ankle)
didn't practice Tuesday but should play.  FB Chad Stanley has had knee
surgery and is out.  I-back Simms, who had knee surgery in June, was cleared
to practice on Monday.  Outside LB Jeff Olson has an ankle sprain.

Trev Alberts was named SI defensive player of the week for his 12 tackles,
2 sacks, 1 fumble caused, and one batted pass in the UCLA game.  This may
help his chances with the Butkis Award, for which he is a nominee.

Former NU QB Mike Grant won the 1993 Bobby Reynolds postgraduate scholarship,
and is a graduate student in journalism.

My wife will probably be doing the stats again this week, but I told her that
she doesn't need to do the tackles.  (She said it took FOREVER to type in the
stats, probably because she did ALL of them!)

Mike Nolan


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    	JoeC said what?  What'd you slip in his beah? :*)
    
    	I'll make it up to ya.  Next time ND plays the 'Canes,
    	I'll root for the Fightin' Homeboys (tm to Tommy?).
    
    Claybone

    	Colorado has a good chance to beat Miami.  They are not a very good
    team this year.  I agree with Beano Cook that the National Championship
    will be decided at the Notre Dame vs. Florida State game.  Two talent
    laden teams slugging it out for the right to hose somebody in a bowl
    contest that will be the Faux National Championship Game.
    
    				/Don

That is if Miami doesn't once again beat Florida State.

The Crazy Met

ps where is the ND/FlaSt game being played?

    	It's in Notre Dame (big surprise, do you think Holtz has the same
    filberts that Bowden does?).  There will be no wide right this year,
    Florida State is going to hammer the 'Canes.
    
    				/Don

While Miami's offense may not be up to snuff the defense looks like it can play
with anybody so don't take Beano's comments too seriously now. I mean CU? Cmon
/er's get your brainwaves together....

mike

> Cmon /er's get your brainwaves together....

MikeC, why should /er suddenly change??

The Crazy Met

    Laughward Slash, either yer slippin' or you're in yo' cups.
    
    Miami "not a vewy good team" yet #3?? And ND "loaded" yet #4.
    Where's your consistency? It's too dang early to tell who is
    really loaded (except fer FSU and mebbe Bama), but Miami's defence
    is supposed to be good, their offense inconsistent. I give CU a good
    chance also. But not because Miami isn't very good, but because
    CU's weakness (defense) won't be over-exploited by Miami's sputtering
    offense. Should be a bahnburnah.
    
    And FSU is at ND on November 13. Now Slash if you looked a leetle
    ahaid, you'll see dat ND is at FSU nexted year. Replacin' a
    home and homw wif Penn St. But you knew that and was just jonesin'
    moi.
    
    Tsk Tsk
    MikeL
    

Not defending no one here, but (or is it Yeah but, Yabbut, etc.) Miami
started the polls rated above ND. Usually you have to stink up the place
afore you move down in the polls, assumng that you don't lose.

Miami is a bit of a_unknown at this point. They beat BC but so did
Northwestern. Their D looked good against Va Tech but their offense
really didn't do all that much.

However, Colorado may have shown that they're the one overrated. I mean
Stanford had about the same game and score against the Buffs as they did
versus San Jose St.

TTom

    	Leary, Notre Dame is LOADED!  The only team they could
    legitimately lose to is Florida State.  So the Blue and Gold has the
    gumption to travel to SeminoleLand nexted year.  Kudos.  Now if they
    could only play as mainly a schedule as Bowden does every year...
    
    				/Don

From:	DECPA::"huskers@notes.tssi.com" "MAIL-11 Daemon" 23-SEP-1993 12:38:46.45
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Here are the season-to-date offensive & defensive statistics. They're kind
of a mixed bag up to this point. One might be concerned at what appears to
be a slight downward trend both offensively & defensively, however I
suspect that some of this is the result of the Huskers having one of the
more injury filled years I can remember. Smart money this week would
probably be on the Huskers rebounding, and putting the wood to Colorado
State. My predict (as though anyone needs another) NU 48-17.

OFFENSE STATS	North Texas	Texas Tech	UCLA	Season AVG
First Downs	28		29		22	26.33
Yards Rushing	360		317		208	295.00
Number Rushes	61		59		49	56.33
Yds Per Rush	5.90		5.37		4.24	5.24
Yards Passing	215		217		145	192.33
Total Yardage	575		534		353	487.33
P Completions	14		13		13	13.33
Pass Attempts	17		29		19	21.67
Intercepted	1		0		1	0.67
Completion %	82.35%		44.83%		68.42%	61.54%
Yds per Cmp	15.36		16.69		11.15	14.43
Number Punts	1		3		3	2.33
Avg Per Punt	31		44		44	39.67
Fumbles		1		2		4	2.33
Fumbles lost	0		1		3	1.33
Penalties	3		13		5	7.00
Penalty Yardage	35		111		45	64
Time  posession	32:27		37:29		28:00	32:43

DEFENSIVE STATS	North Texas	Texas Tech	UCLA	Season AVG
First Downs	11		19		19	16.33
Yards Rushing	39		137		192	122.67
Number Rushes	30		34		43	35.67
Yds Per Rush	1.30		4.03		4.47	3.44
Yards Passing	255		186		134	191.67
Total Yardage	294		323		326	314.33
P Completions	15		11		11	12.33
Pass Attempts	34		25		22	27.00
Intercepted	2		0		0	0.67
Completion %	44.12%		44.00%		50.00%	45.68%
Yds per Cmp	17.00		16.91		12.18	15.54
Number Punts	7		7		6	6.67
Avg Per Punt	40.1		39.3		40.5	39.97
Fumbles		1		2		1	1.33
Fumbles lost	1		2		0	1.00
Penalties	6		6		7	6.33
Penalty Yardage	43		55		67	55
posession	27:28		22:54		32:00	27:17


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/er, was it 52-17??

and that had nothin' to do with brainwaves, 'ya just had a lucky guess.

The Crazy Met

    HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHEEEHOOOOOHHHAAAHOOO roachypoachymain!!
    
    FSU's schedule has been quite commendable recently (4 yrs or so).
    Think they hasd a few cupcakes afore that ( yeah I know they play
    Miami and UF), but Miami was a breatha until 10 yrs ago, whilst
    mainly ND has had monstah schedules for nigh over *70*yrs.
    
    And to keep this Big8 related, Go Buffs, sugar dem Canes!!
    
    MikeL
    

  Reply to a while back: Joe ain't never had nuttin good to say about the
  Fightin Irish of Notre Damsel. However, he is glad that MikeL is rootin
  fer the Buffs this weekend. Just might be enuf to put em over the top
  for a big time victory. And I must say that I now have a sprinkling of 
  respect fer little Leprecon Leary.

  Reply to whoever said the Buffs were overated: I would agree that their
  defense wus overrated but their offense has got to be one of the top 2 or
  3 in the country. However, I'll be the first to say that defense wins 
  champeenships and the Buffs defense has inhaled big time this year. Plus,
  it looks like their top defensive player, cornerback Chris Hudson, will
  miss the Hurry Canes game because of an injury.

  Marty, those NU stats mean zip when 2 of their 3 games came against
  North Texas State and Texas Tech. Not only that but the announcers of
  the NU/UCLA kept talking about how the Hucksters were averaging 63 points
  and 2,000 yards a games. Gimme a break. Those games could be compared to
  Carl Lewis linin up against Bill Clinton in a 100 yard dash.

  You folks may be wondering why I've been usin the name "Hurry Canes".
  That's because that's what Dennis Erickson is gonna be shoutin when
  his players are tryin to guard Charles Johnson and Michael Westbrook on
  Saturday.

  I'll wave to everybody. Look fer me at middle of the horseshoe, 3 rows from 
  the top. 

	Keith     

    	Hey MikeL, ND *had* monstah schedules until the Little YellowHaid
    took over the reins.  Even then they had breathers with the service
    academies (who ain't been competitive since the early 50's).
    
    				/Don

The highest rated schedule of the Top 25 or so is Washington who has
played Stanford and Ohio St, both Top 25 teams.

The lowest rated schedule among these was Nebraska who's played Texas
Tech and UCLA neither of whom are rated anywhere near Top 25.

Notre Dame right now is in the middle of the pack. 

These are according to the Sagarin stats. I think his power ratings are
useless but his schedule rankings seem pretty fair. 

TTom

Going to be tough for Steward to hit Westbrook and Johnson when he's flat
on his back....

mike

    Excuse me with this "little leprecon leary" bit!!??
    Course if you actually meant con( as in CONman in leprecon), then I
    and Lou appreciate the wit. Alas Keith, as a Buff feign, ah wouldn't
    gave given you credit fer havin a wit 8^), but  I'll let it ride...
    
    Now speakin_a_filberts, there doubtingThomas, cain someone puhleeze
    tell me who FSU scheduled on a continuing basis besides UF and UM
    when they was an independent? Ahem, not that I think agreeing
    to be part of the ACC was a real filberty type move(no offense TTom
    and other ACCers, but you git mah drift) for foosball, but I don't
    believe that FSU stuck its groin out in scheduling consistent tough
    games, excluding the last few. However ah could be wrong.
    Ah will admit that ND continuing to schedule Navy *every* year wrinkls
    me nose and the Northwestern series don't make me overly impressed
    but overall, ND don't shy away. Now Bobby's been whining the last few
    about a few missed field goals, bvlah, blah, blah, so now he's
    got Bentley. So shaddap Fatso and let's see how the wuss from Aurora
    does in the biguns. He's missed four extra point attempts already
    (wide right?), not that that means much but we'll see. 
    Now if we want to continue discussing Bobby Bowden, let's go to a \
    more appropriate note.... the Whiney Sore Loser one..
    BTW, has BB found some wimminfolk to take care_his_athlates homework
    yet??
    
    BTW, to keep it Big8 focused, did I sau Go Buffs, trample ThugU??
    
    
    MikeL
    

MikeL,

No offense taken from someone who actually attended a school in the ACC.
Florida St was the second team to move during the great independent
migration. I have to laugh thinking of MrT give me/us crap cause Penn St
rejected the ACC. We even got a little non-geography about Pennsylvania
having a_Atlantic coast. I can appreciate the viewpoint that the ACC got
a deal when Florida St joined up. Unlike Penn St, Florida St brings a
complete sports program to the conference. The most pleasant part is
the development of Noles basketball program.

I'll see if'n I can find some data on previous FSU schedules.

TTom

Here's Florida State's schedule. I've only got from 83. Upper case shows 
games at the opponents; lower case games were in Talahassee. Some of the
first games may have been kickoffs at neutral sites.

83:	east carolina, LSU, TULANE, AUBURN, PITTSBURGH, cincinnati,
	louisville, ARIZONA ST, so carolina, miami-fl, FLORIDA,
	No Carolina (bowl)

84:	east carolina, KANSAS, MIAMI-FL, temple, MEMPHIS ST, auburn, 
	tulane, ARIZONA ST, SO CAROLINA, tennessee-chatannooga, florida,
	Georgia (bowl)

85:	TULANE, NEBRASKA, memphis st, kansas, AUBURN, tulsa, NO CAROLINA,
	miami-fl, so carolina, west carolina, FLORIDA,
	Oklahoma St (bowl)

86:	toledo, NEBRASKA, no carolina, MICHIGAN, tulane, wichita st,
	LOUISVILLE, MIAMI-FL, SO CAROLINA, southern miss, florida,
	Indiana (bowl)

87:	texas tech, EAST CAROLINA, memphis st, MICHIGAN ST, miami-fl,
	SOUTHERN MISS, louisville, tulane, AUBURN, furman, FLORIDA,
	Nebraskas (bowl)

88:	MIAMI, southern miss, CLEMSON, michigan st, TULANE, ga southern,
	east carolina, louisiana tech, SO CAROLINA, va tech, florida,
	Auburn (bowl)

89:	southern miss, clemson, LSU, tulane, SYRACUSE, VA TECH, auburn,
	miami-fl, so carolina, memphis st, FLORIDA,
	Nebraska (bowl)

90:	east carolina, ga southern, TULANE, va tech, MIAMI-FL, 
	AUBURN, lsu, SO CAROLINA, cincinnati, MEMPHIS ST, florida,
	Penn St (bowl)

91:	byu, tulane, western michigan, MICHIGAN, syracuse, va tech, 
	mid tennessee st, LSU, LOUISVILLE, so carolina, miami-fl, FLORIDA,
	Texas A&M (bowl)

92:	duke, CLEMSON, NC STATE, wake forest, MIAMI-FL, no carolina,
	GEORGIA TECH, VIRGINIA, maryland, tulane, florida,
	Nebraska (bowl)

TTom

    
    MikeC.
    
    	His name is Kordell Stewart.
    
    /'er,
    
    	Name the only school to beat ND 4 years in a row.  This same
    	school was *competitive* quite a few times in the 80's.  Maybe
    	not national champeenship competitive (though one year they
    	were undefeated til they lost their bowl game) but I define
    	competitive as Top25.  FWIW.
    
    Keith,
    
    	When did Hudson get hurt?  Damn!
    
    Claybone

    Keith,
    I was going to brang that up since da Slash inadvertantly took a 
    swipe at the service academies. Hope I didn't give it away!!
    
    Thankee TTom,\
    Lemme say this about schedules. No team is expected to be suicidal
    in scheduling opponents. Consistent rivals have their ups and downs.
    Having said that, TTom has provided the smoking gun since '83 on
    the Noles generally. Some worthy oipponents, some "real cakes".
    I assume you will *generally* find the same true about FSU afore
    ;83 and definitely Miami before the last few.
    
    Lets's take a look at some_a_FSU's opponent down through the BowdenEra
    
    Worthies(mostly)                              Real cakes(mostly)
    
    LSU                                           Kansas
    Auburn                                        Temple
    Pitt                                          Memphis St
    Miami                                         East Carolina
    Florida                                       Tennessee-Chattanooga
    ASU                                           Tulane
    Nebraska                                      South Carolina(until now)
    Clemson                                       West Carolina
    UNC                                           Tulsa
    Michigan                                      Toledo
    Michigan St                                   Southern Miss
    Syracuse                                      Texas Tech
    BYU                                           Louisville(preSchnellenpoo
                                                  Georgia Southern
                                                  Louisiana Tech
                                                  Va. Tech
                                                  Cincinnati
                                                  Western Michigan
                                                  Middle Tennesse St
    
    And I'm sure you'll find the teams on the right side of this list
    repeating themselves on FSU's schedule much more than the ones
    on the left (excepting Miami and Florida).
    
    So I don't want to here no more about Bobby "Filberts" Bowden.
    The main never existed.
    
    MikeL
    
    
    

    	So Bobby "HugeOnes" Bowden went from an easier schedule to a harder
    schedule while Lou "MinisculeOnes" Holtz went in the other direction. 
    Sounds like one coach could use a testosterone injection while the
    other is oozing the sutff.  I don't consider ranking in the polls a
    barometer of the toughness of a schedule, heck Virginia was ranked #1
    once!  Someday the sissycoaches will agree to a playoff and we'll
    really see who's #1, until then the wusschedules will continue to be
    rewarded.
    
    				/Don

Bowden's take on all this is to continue to improve the quality of a
football program, you have to improve the schedule.

Right now, Bowden is intent on having a TOP team, if not THE TOP team,
and claims to be willing to schedule almost anyone.

TTom

    Still cain't comprehend facks, eh Slash!!
    Compare schedules. BB (BigBlowhard) finally schedules tough
    non-conference games and he's a George Patton. HAHAHA. Look at
    the cakes he's beaten. Nuttin' like paddin' the schedule with stiffs
    so he can puff his chest and stretch his Imus-like chins.
    When he finally gits back to back to back monstah recruiting classesm,
    he decides to come out of his doll house in Tellahussey. Big ones
    indeed. The main is a bigger sandbagger than Holtz ever thought a
    being.  And FSU has biguns for scheduling ND?? What's that make
    ND, JohnHolmesian??
    
    HAHAHA, now that yo' "tough schedling" arguments are exposesd for
    the shallowness they possess, you obfuscate with the "schedules
    don't measure toughness, blah, blah, blah, where's the playoff?"
    
    Rollward,
    MikeL
    

                           
    Hey, some of those "cake" teams, like Southern Miss, did a pretty good
    job of knocking Coach Blowden out of national championship contention.
    He's been better off with the tough competition, 'ceptin' that quality
    professional team from downstate (not the Dolphins), of course...
    
    glenn
     

    	I said that rankings in polls are bogus and I'll stick by my guns
    (just like HugeOnes would do).  Speaking of this FSU/ND series is ND
    insisting on 2 games at home to one on the road, like they usually do?
    
    				/Don

>    Keith,                              
                                        
>        When did Hudson get hurt?  Damn!

  He got hurt in the Standfud game. In fact, he missed most of the game.

  Hudson has attended practice a couple of times this week but is far from 
  100%. Originally, they called it a bad knee bruise but now they're callin
  it a LCL sprain. He has practiced a couple of times this week but is far
  from 100%. If he's not healthy by Saturday, Maurice "which way'd he go"
  Henriques and Dalton "I'm hurt too" Simmons will split playing time.
  The Buffs need Hudson real BAD. 

	Keith

    
> Unlike Penn St, Florida St brings a
> complete sports program to the conference. 
    
    Meaning, of course, a men's basketball team.  We don't want anyone
    accusing you of being scope-limited or sexist, do we, TTom?  ;-)
    
    glenn
    

    
    	Answer my question Slash!  Takin' a swipe at dem po po service
    	academies like that.  Shame!
    
    Claybone

    -1, great logic there Tommy,   HAHAHAHA. Finally a tough schedule,
    is he feeling guilty over his past "cakes"? After all, tonight is Yom
    Kippur. 
    
    Moral of the story is, BobbyBowden just reached puberty. Sandbagger
    supreme.
    
    And glenn, I believe that FSU scheduled Southern Miss several times,
    way before they had a good team. FSU thought they was gonna swat them
    like a studley horse swars away a gnat. 
    
    
    MikeL
    

Actually Glenn,

I did phrase that as a slur and have no problem with the scope-limited
and basketball part. I guess the sexist part is in reference to the women
Penn Staters doing pretty good in hoops. 

But it's da truth. Florida St is also competitive in baseball, where they
have gone to the College World Series, and track & field  where they
benefit from the excellent programs in Florida high schools.

But mostly it was ~/~ing.

TTom

    	RatOn Thomas!  Maybe Bobby Biguns lost a National Championship by
    going for the win, but he lost it like a main not like a rathaired
    yellow (or gold) coward.
    
    				    /Don
    
    P.S.  Those Notre Dame losses to Air Farce are tantamount to what
          the San Francisco Midgets are doing right now.  GAAAAAAG!

    
    	No they weren't!  They were Faust coached teams!  :*)
    
    Claybone

  Could someone plez direct me to the "Big 8" ?

	Keith

    So what with three of the last five years? About damn time...
    And didn't I say when excoriating FSU's schedule, "excepting
    the last few"?? Whassammata you, don't comprehend anglais
    
    And ND has scheduled tough opponents forever... I've already stated
    my dislike for the NU's and Navy's. MSU and Purdue are long-time rivals
    who have not been good in recent years. Big deal. They have had
    impressive Division 1 reps and records. What about the Dukes,
    Wake Forests, Furmans, Cincinnatis, Abilene Christians, or
    whatever in FSU's wake, Care to stand behind that?  FSU's "mainliness"
    is new. Fine. I commend them. About damned time. 
    
    Y'all started with the premise that BB has biguns and Holtz, meaning
    ND doesn't. It's quite evident that BB's biguns
    are purty recent, or are you in denial?  Is his voice still crackin'?? 
    And as TTom said, Bowden realizes that to compete with the top,
    ya gots to play the top. So see, even an old dawg can larn new
    tricks. 
    
    Bobby Bowden, biguns. HAHAHAHA. He's now the shining example of
    coaches and programs that always tackle the big opponents head on.
    History shows otherwise.
    
    MikeL
    

    	Hey MikeL, better getting those filberts late, than never at all.
    	Keith, try the Notre Dame note.
    
    				/Don

no matter how legitmate your qrip with BB is MikeL., Lou still has "little
boys".......

mike

    Actually I gots no major gripe wif BB. It;s the dang
    lunkhaids that elevate the main into the seciond coming of George S.
    Patton that ails me 8^). The main, per evidence, is re-born. 
    Let's not deny the past however.
    
    Now since Keith rightfully wants the Big 8 note back...
    Speakin'_a_lack_biguns, how 'bbout them 'Huskers! I think Tom
    Osborne and BB shared notes on scheduling back in the 80's.
    Tom just hasn't thrown his notes away yet.
    
    MikeL
    
    

    Great effort Saturday night by the Buffs. I thought they were
    outclassed for much of the game,I even turned it off at 35-15,but what
    a comeback!!
    
    Miami escapes again. Damn!

      Why is it Mihami starts fights with all their opponents?  The clemson
    refs were on the 'caines side eh?   How can the defense be called
    offsides when the offense gets called for illegal procedure?
    
      Good comeback attempt, even for Stewart who stunk up the field during
    the times I watched...
    
      Tim

        The replay showed that not 1 defensive man was lined up offsides
    nor was moving.  One of "them" calls I guess.
    
      The Buffs lost do to lack of execution!  Not the refs.  I just
    pointed out that the big least refs were biased.
    
      Tj

    Taking your statement at face value Tommy, since I missed the brouhaha,
    seems to me that Erickson did a poor job at controlling his players
    (as well as McCartney). Deserved or not, another black mark agin the
    'Canes.
    
    I did see the final minutes and it was exciting!
    
    MikeL
    
    

    
    	CU deserves just as much blame for the brawl as Miami.  I don't
    	think using the media as an excuse is valid though for either
    	side.
    
    	Miami sure has it's share of fights.  They've gone at it with
    	South Carolina, San Diego St., CU, and one other school I can't
    	recall.  I agree they enjoy it.
    
    	I didn't see the game (heard it on the radio) but it sure sounded
    	like the Big East officiating crew was keeping a closer eye on CU
    	than Miami.
    
    	Bottom line is CU's defense sips and it showed......
    
    Claybone

    I read that stuff too and it's a pretty lame excuse on Miami's part if
    you ask me.  If Miami truly is concerned about its image then its
    players need to develop thicker skins.  Pointing towards a climate
    created by the media and/or fans?  That's not physical harassment, so 
    there's really no excuse for a physical response.  But the question is
    whether Miami really does even care, or if it's just so much lip
    service for public consumption.  We've heard this kind of thing from
    Erickson before and nothing has come of it so I tend to think it's the 
    latter.  You want to control your players, then start bouncing the
    offenders off the team for their repeated lack of control.
    
    Not to be one-sided about it, it also appears to me that Colorado has
    had more than its share of continued discipline problems in recent
    years, too.  In a continuing saga, I read just this morning that Eric
    Bienemy has finally been banned from campus after another incident
    before Saturday's game.  Were it that such strong action had been taken
    when Bienemy was still wearing the Buffalo uniform...
    
    glenn
      

  Well guys, I was at the game and there was a number of things that I saw
  that were not shown on TV. Too bad I don't have the time to enter a 
  summary at this time. Perhaps this afternoon. It was certainly a game
  I'll never forget.

	Keith

    Sorry Tommy,
    
    I don't buy it, the excuses about a media/Cu created atmosphere
    that caused Miami and CU to brawl. Coaches must maintain control.
    My disdain for Miami emanated from Schnellenberger's and Johnson's
    seeming disdain of the academic side of their athletes life. Again,
    my impression. I liked Erickson, thought he was making progress and
    I don't equate trash talking/taunting to out and out brawling.
    Miami has been involved in several exhibiitions since Erickson'w been
    there so like glenn said, I gotta believe it's lip service when
    Erickson offers corrective "words" not actions.
    
    But let's see what Keith says. I didn't see the fights, and he saw the
    whole enchilada.
    
    MikeL
    
    MikeL

	I loved Bill Conlin's reply on the ESPN Sportswriters show 
yesterday.  Lupica and Ryan (the two B.C. yuppies) were  moralizing about 
the CU/Miami brawl (which I thought was entertaining by the way), when 
Conlin butted in and said how his father played for Pop Warner and back 
then series had to be cancelled due to brawls on the field and in the 
stands.  I often wonder if the skin complexion on the brawlers and brawlees 
were a whiter shade of pale would folks get so uptight about it?  And if 
you want to talk about a blemish on a program, which is worse, getting in a 
fight in the heat of competition, or calling a timeout with two seconds 
left to score on a team so the final is 17-0 instead of 10-0?

				/Don

        
> I often wonder if the skin complexion on the brawlers and brawlees 
> were a whiter shade of pale would folks get so uptight about it? 
    
    Well, I wasn't paying complete attention to the show, but I don't think
    Conlin's point had much to do with the above.  I believe that his point
    was that this problem isn't completely new, and that in his father's day 
    the violence brought on presidential action from roughneck Teddy Roosevelt
    when the colleges didn't clean up their act on their own.  Regardless
    of the race of the participants or today's "yuppie" moralizing.  And in
    fact the sport was cleaned up to a very large extent...
    
    glenn
      

Bill McCartney will suspend players involved in the fight against Miami 
He is looking at the tape and suposedly will enforce a 1 game suspension 
on any player that left the bench and becanme the agressor in the brawl 
during Saturday's game. 

What I want to know is who is the person that read the newspapers to the 
Maimi players. 

    or Timeout when your team doesn't have timeouts left?
    

  Well folks, following is my Miami-CU game summary. I'm sure there will be some
  things said in the summary which will generate some heat and criticism
  directed at me but I've got to call it as I see it.

  Joe and I, along with many other Buff fans have been looking forward to
  this game for a long. As far as I could tell, there was no "atmosphere of
  Hate" as Coach Erickson recently said. Rather there was a lot of respect
  for such a successful team. Sure, everybody knew of Miami's past reputation
  but there was certainly no animosity between the teams since they haven't
  played each other in 20 years. 

  We arrived in Boulder 3 hours before the game. There was already a steady 
  stream of traffic on the main road from Denver to the CU campus. As we
  came into town, but still far from the stadium, we noticed a number
  of people lining the road with sign's "Need Tickets". We also saw people
  holding tickets up, obviously for sale but not at the price the sign carriers
  were willing to pay. Even though we arrived so early, parking and traffic
  were already a problem.

  We walked through the campus business district, called "the Hill", and noticed
  a number stores selling Buff Stuff. Most of the stores had T-shirts 
  specifically for the game and Joe bought one. In all of the stores and on the
  streets we saw numerous Miami fans. I witnessed absolutely no animosity
  between any of the CU-Miami fans either before or after the game. In fact it
  was quite the oposite.

  Upon arriving at the stadium, we decided to grab a couple of Buffalo Burgers
  at one of the numerous barbecue pits outside the stadium. It was still
  more than 2 hours before game time and people were already lining up at 
  the unopened gates waiting to be the first in the stadium. There were
  also numerous people wanting to buy or sell tickets. It looked like tickets
  were going between 50-150 dollars.

  When we entered Folsom Field, it was kind of chilly but the weather soon
  improved and turned into a perfect day for football with the high around
  70 degrees. A few players were practicing, mostly the punters and kickers.
  After a while, the stadium started to fill and both teams had all of their
  players on the field. At this time I don't remember seeing much if any 
  interaction between the Miami-CU players. However, it seemed that the
  Miami players were going out of their way to taunt the CU fans. With our 
  seats being 3 rows from the top in the middle of the horsehoe, we couldn't 
  hear any of the verbal exchanges but we could see lots of hand jestures and 
  cocky behavior. I saw no effort from the Miami coaches or staff to prevent
  what I thought was taunting of the CU fans. The Miami players basically
  ignored their own fans which I estimated to be at about 4 thousand.

  By kickoff time, it was obvious that there was going to be more people in
  the stadium than there were seats. There were reports in the news about 
  stolen tickets. I don't know if this had anything to do with the extra people
  or not. This started to wear on some of the fans, especially those who had
  seats next to the aisle as they couldn't see through all of the people
  standing and looking for a place to watch the game.
  
  The game started with Miami receiving the kickoff. No kickoffs were returned
  in this game as all kicks were deep in the endzone. On the first series,
  the Miami QB was sacked. Then they fumbled but recovered on the next play.
  With 3rd and 20, they connected for a first down. Blowing excellent 3rd
  down opportunities has been common this year for the Buff defense. Miami
  went on to score a TD and for the most part was more impressive in the
  first half. There were 2 excellent punt returns by Charles Johnson but both
  were called back because of penalties. From our seats and without instant
  replay, I couldn't tell if the calls were acurate or not. These 2 penalties
  cost CU about 80 yards when you figure where the ball could have been and
  where it ended up. Later, there was a pass which bounced off of a CU player
  and/or the defender. While in the air, another CU player caught the ball for
  about a 30 yard gain. For some unknown reason, the All Big-East team of
  officials ruled an incomplete pass. Later, CU did threaten to score a TD 
  when Lamont Warren ran to the 1 yard line. A penalty was called(I don't 
  remember what it was) which put the ball back around the 30 yard line.
  CU had to settle for a long field goal attempt. It was kicked toward the 
  goal posts at the other end of the stadium from where our seats were located.
  With our seats directly in the middle of the endzone we had a good angle
  view of the kick and it looked good by about 4 feet. The folks in the North 
  Endzone who had the best view, all started jumping up and down like it was
  good but the All Big-East officials ruled it no good. Since I taped the game,
  I checked the film at home. It even looked better on the replay.

  At this time, the Colorado Athletic director, Bill Marolt(ex coach of 7
  national championship ski teams) ran toward the field to yell at the
  officials. He was stopped by some Miami staffers would said they didn't
  know who he was. Marolt was later quoted as saying that the officials
  "were a disgrace and a threat to the integity of college football". It
  looks like he'll be penalized by the NCAA.

  Just before half time, the Canes drove for a TD. With 20 seconds left in 
  the half, they kicked off deep and the ball was not returnable. With our 
  seats we had an excellent view of the disaster which was about to happen.
  It was about 4 seconds after the play was over when a Miami player took a 
  particularly violent cheap shot to the head of a Buff player as he was 
  walking off the field(this was never shown on TV). The Buff player never 
  saw the attack. This was the only cheap shot that I saw during the entire 
  game. 2 Buff players, who were close, went after the cheap shot artist. Then 
  about 7 Canes went after the 2 Buff players. Then, the Buff bench started to
  clear and almost immediately the Cane bench cleared. What the media did
  not show was that most of the players who came from the bench on both teams
  tried to pull the players from the fight. But they were often kicked or
  punched for trying to stop the fight and then joined in the rumble.
  From the stands, I was thinking this must of been what it was like with
  the Romans and the Gladiators and I didn't like it. For the most part, in 
  the stands, there was a feeling of shock and there wasn't much noise in 
  the stands. 

  As the rumble started to migrate toward the goalposts, we watched the 
  cheerleaders run into the stands in fright. For a while, it looked like
  they were going to run directly up to Joe and I for protection but they 
  stopped at the first row and we were 3 rows from the top. Too bad.

  The halftime seemed to take longer than normal. Beer sales were shut off
  much earlier than the normal start of the 4th quarter. After the halftime
  break, I didn't notice anymore taunting of the crowd by the Cane players
  A total of 12 players were ejected. 7 Canes(1 starter) and 5 Buffs(3 
  starters). Score at the end of the half was 21-6.

  A local Radio/TV/legal expert personality that I like to listen to, named 
  Dan Caplis, was at the game as he is a long time Buff fan who never misses 
  a game and never leaves early no matter what the score. Today, on the radio
  he said he left the game at the halftime intermission. His reason's were that
  the rumble sickened him and because he was convinced that the All Big-East
  officials would never allow CU to win. And this was before the official's
  really controversial calls. He also said that CU never should have 
  scheduled Miami because they knew of the Cane reputation. He also said he
  now understands why Notre Dame backed out of their contract and that CU 
  stupted to Miami's level in this game. I agree. 

  Throughout most of the 2nd half, Miami outplayed the Buffaloes especially
  when there was some serious breakdowns in the defense. When the Canes 
  scored to go up by 20 points with 6 minutes left in the game, about 5-7
  thousand people filed out of the stadium. They missed one of the most 
  amazing near comebacks I've ever seen. CU drove the length of the field
  and hit Charles Johnson on a timing pattern in the corner of the endzone.
  If they could recover an onside kick, they would have a shot at victory.
  This is exactly what happened and they even recovered it in a position where
  they had a short field. They went throught the Miami defense like a knife 
  through butter and scored on a 6 yard run up the middle by James Hill to make
  the score 35-29. Just 7 points from victory.
  
  When Miami got the ball back, they tried to run the clock out. On one running
  play, the ball carrier went wide and was hit by a Buff defender but he
  never wrapped his arms and the ball carrier escaped and ran out of bounds.
  The officials kept the clock running when it was obvious they should have 
  stopped it. A few plays later, a Miami runner escaped for a long gain but
  cornerback, Chris Hudson, stole the ball right out of the runner's arms.
  Colorado then passed and ran about 50 yards down to the Miami 11 yard line
  with one and a half minutes left. The Miami defense was in complete disarray 
  and there was incredible momentum behind Colorado. For the previous 5 minutes,
  the noise in the stadium was at a decible level I've never experienced 
  before. People were dancing in the aisles, jumping up and down and screaming 
  at the top of their lungs even when Colorado had the ball.

  The next play was an incomplete pass. The official threw a flag but nobody 
  knew why. The call was a facemask against an offensive lineman that nobody
  saw. I ran this again on my VCR and saw nothing. The All Big-East officials
  marked off 18 yards back to the 29 yard line. Ah come-on, a face mask should
  only be 5 yards unless there is yanking or twisting. There was absolutely
  no facemask let alone a twist or yank. The Buffs drove back to the 11 yard 
  line but never really recovered from the penalty and failed on a 4th down
  pass to Charles Johnson.

  I've seen many official's calls that I thought were wrong and resulted in
  a loss to a team I was rooting for. But I never questioned the integrity
  of the officials. I hate to say it but I agree with what Bill Marolt said
  earlier. After watching tis game in person and watching it on tape that 
  the All-Big East official crew that worked this game was as crooked as 
  they come.

  Well with all that's been said and done, I'm sure I'm going to draw a lot
  of critisism in this notesfile but that's honestly the way I feel.
  This game will probably be remembered more for the brawl and the controversy
  with the numerous official calls. And that's too bad because those who 
  watched the game saw one remarkable performance by wide receiver Charles
  Johnson who caught 4 critical 4th quarter passes when he was double and
  triple teamed by a top defense. An isn't it ironic, the last great Colorado
  controversy came in the Missouri 5th down fiasco. In that game, another
  Colorado player, also named Charles Johnson, had a remarkable performance.

	Keith

>took only the slightest of slights to set off a bench clearing brawl. 
>They weren't determined not to be pushed around. 

  Your "slightest of slights" was a very blatant voilent blow to the head 
  when the player had his back turned.

  In reference to the brawl, one of the Miami players was quoted as 
  saying "I didn't think they'd fight back".

	Keith

>    I don't buy it, the excuses about a media/Cu created atmosphere
>    that caused Miami and CU to brawl. 

  Erickson is just trying to deflect critisism from his program. At the game,
  I detected no "atmosphere of hate" as Erickson has said. The papers treated
  this game with much less enthusiasm than a Nebraska or even Oklahoma game. 
  The Miami and CU fans were all very friendly with each other. It was a 
  tragic incident for both programs. The only comment from Coach Mac on the 
  rumble has been "It's my fault". Erickson should be man enough to say 
  the same.

  One thing I forgot in my long reply: At the end of the game, everybody
  in the stadium, fans and players both, were emotionally exhausted.
  If there's any "atmosphere of hate", it's towards the All-Big East
  officials. 

  At games end, the players from both teams gathered in the middle of the 
  field and talked and some sat down and some hugged each other. It reminded 
  me of the first Rocky movie when both fighters were looking at each other 
  with one realizing he was extremely fortunate to win.

  On another note, there was something like 5 players who experienced
  concussions in the game. By the end of the game, Colorado had a completely
  different defensive backfield than at the start.

	Keith

    I took up college basketball in the 70s as a sort of hobby and observed
    what was eventually to become the big east team of officials.  the
    numero uno at the time was charly deal.
    
    now as to integrity = deliberately influencing a game I cannot truly
    say but charly's style was to make big calls that would bring attention
    to himself and charly was the major influence right down to basketball
    officials today - he is the marty glickman of eastern officialdom.
    
    now whether bball equates to football I don't know but what you
    describe epitomizes the style eg make a big call on the other team's
    home [court] that will look like great courage and integrity and put
    the spotlight on official has hero (brave)
    
    b

                                                                        
>  The next play was an incomplete pass. The official threw a flag but nobody 
>  knew why. The call was a facemask against an offensive lineman that nobody
>  saw. I ran this again on my VCR and saw nothing. The All Big-East officials
>  marked off 18 yards back to the 29 yard line. Ah come-on, a face mask should
>  only be 5 yards unless there is yanking or twisting. There was absolutely
>  no facemask let alone a twist or yank. The Buffs drove back to the 11 yard 
>  line but never really recovered from the penalty and failed on a 4th down
>  pass to Charles Johnson.
    
    This is the one play I'd wish someone would provide some clarification on
    (via replay, or whatever).  Apparently in college such a foul is marked
    off from the point of the infraction.  Watching at home I was
    dumbfounded that the ball was being moved from the 10-yard-line back to
    the 30.  I'm no Buff fan, and didn't much care who won the game, but to
    have such a devastating penalty called at the end of such a frantic,
    exciting game with absolutely no clue provided by Keith (whoa, Nellie,
    this is a big'un) and Bob in the booth was definitely a letdown.  Even
    a 10-yard holding call might have been overcome, as the Buffs didn't
    come too far from climbing out of the 20-yard hole as it was.  Miami
    was reeling.  The penalty saved their bacon, no question about it...
    
    glenn
     

    
    	Great report Keith.
    
    	Coach Mac is going to dole out some discipline but it's going
    	to be done "behind closed doors".  I doubt anybody is going to
    	miss any games (same for Miami from what I read this morning).
    
    	Marolt was wrong for going out on the field like that.  I'd have
    	to agree with his comments though!
    
    	So Keith, did you notice in your tape whether the CU player went
    	for the Miami player's knees like Tommy reported?  I find it hard
    	to believe the officials didn't see that one!
    
    Claybone

      When CU plays Mihami next time,  they will bring big 8 officials with
    them.  That was part of the "agreement" that the 2 schools made.  I'm
    assuming thats next year in the orange juice bowl....
    
      Tim

    
>    	Coach Mac is going to dole out some discipline but it's going
>    	to be done "behind closed doors".  I doubt anybody is going to
>    	miss any games (same for Miami from what I read this morning).
    
  I didn't watch Coach Mac's TV show but they did have a clip from it on
  the news last night. Mac said something like "fighting is not Football.
  We can not tolerate fighting. We will take extreme measures to be sure this
  doesn't happen again." I have heard that Mac and the coaches are watching 
  the film and plan to suspend all the players that were fighting. I guess
  we'll have to wait and see.

>    	Marolt was wrong for going out on the field like that.  I'd have
>    	to agree with his comments though!
    
  I was listening to the Dave Logan radio show last night and he basically 
  said the same thing. Evidently, there are "politically correct" ways of 
  expressing yourself in incidents like this. But if he had, nothing would
  have come of it. There are times when you have to throw that "politically
  correct" crap out out the window and speak your peace. But he didn't have
  to storm out of the press box.

>    	So Keith, did you notice in your tape whether the CU player went
>    	for the Miami player's knees like Tommy reported?  I find it hard
>    	to believe the officials didn't see that one!
    
  My tape does not show the blatant cheap shot that started the rumble. The
  way I remember it, the officials did see the cheap shot and threw a flag
  Simultaneously, the fight was starting.

  This all brings up something where I'd like to hear the opinions of other
  noters. I don't think any of us want to see a football game degenerate
  into a rumble like we saw on Saturday. But what is a coach supposed to
  tell a player to do if he witnesses an opposing player try to take the head
  off of one of his teammates in an obvious cheap shot ? Should the player just
  go over and help his teammate off the field ? Should he just grab the cheap
  shot artist to prevent a further attack ? In the Saturday game, if 2 Buffs 
  hadn't gone after the "cheap shot artist", the Canes would have been given
  a 15 yard penalty and maybe the player would have been ejected(although I
  doubt the All-Big-East crew would have done that). But with 20 seconds on
  the clock, the penalty would have meant absolutely nothing. The Canes would
  have basically gotten away with another cheap shot.

  The way the Canes acted reminds me of how those guys act on Big Time 
  Studio Wresting(WWF ?). 

  Hey Marty, the next time Nebraska plays Miami, please send me a red 
  sweatshit and a red hat with a "N" on it. Also, after last weekend, I would
  gladly meet Tom Osborne and the Huskers at the airport with a dozen roses 
  the next time they come to town. Tell him to bring his own officials also. 
  It will be nice to play a team with integrity.

	Keith

usually when teams play an inter-conference game the refs are from a 3rd 
conference. why the change?

The Crazy Met

    
    	Me too Marty.  Bet you never thought I'd say that.
    
    	Makes me savor the whuppin' Bama put on the 'Cons even
    	more.
    
    	Why can't anybody question a ref's performance without being
    	called a whiney sore loser?  They are human (ie make errors)
    	and do affect the outcome of games.......
    
    Claybone

    	Gee, Colorado fans complaining about CLEMSON REFS?  Maybe it's just
    payback for all the calls the Donkeys get?
    
    				/Don

re: whose refs ref where.

As I understood it, the two teams agree to how it works when they sign
the contract to play. In this series, the schools agreed that the
visitors would bring their refs. So this year, Big East refs worked the
game. Nexted year at Miami, the Big 8 refs will get their chance.

TTom

> Nexted year at Miami, the Big 8 refs will get their chance.

Unless some hoods think of them as tourists and get them
before the game begins.

The Crazy Met

    
    	The rematch isn't until '96 I believe....
    
    Claybone

  yep, you're right, the next game is 1996. I hope CU does everything within
  it's power to get out of that game. There's too much bad blood after 
  Saturday's fiasco. I hope they never play Miami again.

  All of the radio talk shows out here are receiving calls complaining 
  about the bad refs Miami brought with them. Nebraska fans are even calling
  up and complaining. I'll take it a step further. I think that game showed 
  all of the signs of a game where the refs had been payed off. I mean, I'm 
  not talking about 1 or 2 missed calls. I'm talking about 4 obvious bad calls 
  and 3 or 4 controversial calls. All happened at critical times and all
  went Miami's way.
 
	Keith

>  ... I'll take it a step further. I think that game showed 
>  all of the signs of a game where the refs had been payed off. ...

Well the Colorado defense musta been in on the fix as well. I mean where
were they every time Miami scored? Very subtle how they knew exactly when
to miss the tackle, be outta position, and otherwise do whatever it took
to make sure Miami outscored them.

Good collective effort.

TTom

 NA NA NA NA NA NAN HEY HEY GOODBYE!!!!!!!!!

 with all these crocidile tears of the CU faithful the Boulder Dam must
 be under heavy stress............

    
    
    
                   WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
                WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
             WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    
    
                 The only reason Colorado would cancel that game is because
    they don't want to get beat again. Christ these little 8 fans cry more
    than fans of NC.

    Do they wear blue and orange?  (Just kidding Keith)
    

> >> He also said he now understands why Notre Dame backed out of their con-
>> >> tract and that CU stupted to Miami's level in this game. I agree. 

  >>  ND don't play the Canes 'cause, unlike Bobby Big'uns, whenever someone
   >> mentions the 'Canes to Lou Little'uns he runs around in little circles 
   >> and makes chicken noises.
    
Points of clarification. ND did not back out of any contract with Miami.
    ND played their last contracted scheduled games with Miami in 1990.
    A decision was reached not to *renew* the series for a time being.
    This decision was not made by any coaches (Holtz included).
    I believe ND's and Miami's admin agreed that because of bad blood
    by fans (not the players) on *both* sides, it would be best for the
    series not to be renewed. Who knows.. I do distinctly remember Holtz
    being interviewed after the final ND-Miami game in 1990. He stated
    that he was sorry to see the series end because he thought it was
    great for college football, and that he wanted it to continue. He
    then added that the decision was not his to make and the
    administrations had decided otherwise.
    
    Miami *did* back out of a contract with Notre Dame... The 'Canes
    baseball team was scheduled to play a three game series vs. Notre
    Dame in early April 1993. They backed out in January.
    
    Now rumor has it that Bowden was in Coloraddy lasted weekend while
    his Seminoles had a weekl off. Was looking to schedule a home and
    home series with the local football power. Seems he couldn't find whar
    Colorado School Of Mines was located... Claybone, ya shoulda sent him
    mo' explicit directions.
    
    
    MikeL
    

    
    	I'm so glad that the folks who've never *whined* about a
    	ref before showed up in this note and set us straight.
    
    	Fair enough, Tommy.  I'm definately biased towards CU so
    	I'll disqualify myself from this.
    
    	Come on Keith, paid off?  They might have showed their
    	allegiance to the Big East but I doubt some guy in an overcoat
    	slipped 'em the ole envelope full of cash.
    
    	Someone a couple back mentioned CU's defense.  Bingo!
    
    Claybone

    
    	Geez, MikeL.  How could he have missed that big ole "M" painted
    	on the side of the mountains due west of Denver?  Ole Bobby
    	chickened out of a series with us when I played there....
    
    Claybone

>  yep, you're right, the next game is 1996. I hope CU does everything within
>  it's power to get out of that game. There's too much bad blood after 
>  Saturday's fiasco. I hope they never play Miami again.

>  All of the radio talk shows out here are receiving calls complaining 
>  about the bad refs Miami brought with them. Nebraska fans are even calling
>  up and complaining. I'll take it a step further. I think that game showed 
>  all of the signs of a game where the refs had been payed off. I mean, I'm 
>  not talking about 1 or 2 missed calls. I'm talking about 4 obvious bad calls 
>  and 3 or 4 controversial calls. All happened at critical times and all
>  went Miami's way.
 
>	Keith

Keith! If I did not know better I would swear you are a Nebraska fan in
disguise!   ;^)

Keith dude! Don't go gettin all emotional on us guy!

First off, I don't remember hearing this "I hope they never play" because
"There's too much bad blood" type of rheteric after the Nebraska game last
year. Miami and their fans sound tame compared to the CU descriptions of 
the Huskers alleged behavior last year. So why all the hubub about Miami?
Just because of the fight? Were the fans that bad? Have you noticed that Cu
has relationship problems? Everyone else is always in the wrong and CU is
ALWAYS in the right. It's just like when CU was awarded a 5th down. All McCarney
could talk about when pressed about this was how rotten the Mizzou field was.
And he pressed it like some kind of a$$hole. At least that's how the rest of
the world outside of Colorado sees it.

Now, about the second paragraph. Don't you EVER, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever,
ever, ever, ever, call us Nebraska fans whimps and whiners!!! Do you remember my
griping about non-calls on clips durring CU punt returns durring the '89 NU/CU
game? I was slammed big-time in this conference for that. Now Keith. Please
DON'T BE A HYPOCRITE! Give it a rest buddy. A bad call to you is a decent call
to some other dude. You call us NU fans whiners. Please look in the mirror. The
pot has called the kettle black.

Besides. What game were you watching anyway? Give CU credit for the comeback
but there are basically 2 reasons why CU got back in that game:

1. Miami got over-confident and cocky.
2. CU got lucky.

On point 1. Miami's QB had his pads off at the end of Q3. From what I understand
the Miami D was basically goofing off knowing that game was virtually over. I
saw CU's drive in Q4 which brought them to within 13. Miami was playing loosly.
They took the double-team off CJ and were just not hustling. Now this brings
us to point 2.

CU gets an onsides kick. Please do not deny that you must have a large amount
of luck to get one of those. Then a good drive for a TD. Then they get a fumble.
We used to talk about "Sooner Magic" now we talk about "Buffalo Luck".
Yes the D back did cause the funble with a good strip. However, I could not
beleive the back was carrying the ball in his RIGHT hand while running down
the LEFT sideline. It's fundamental. You can be the Canes coaches will be on
that kid about it. If he has the ball in his left hand then there is not fumble.
Or if there is a fumble then it would have most likely hit out of bounds.
Game over, no comeback. Miami was driving when the fumble occured.

The point is - an onside kick AND a fumble? Gifts. Face it - Miami was the
much better team. Why piss and moan and carry on?

If I'm a Miami coach I use this to beat into my players heads to stay in the
game mentally and don't get cocky. If Miami had done this then CU would not
have been close at the end.

I do give credit to the CU players for sticking with it to the end. It showed
character. I'm sure McCarney will use that to help his team improve.


Marty

    Ah ain't gittin into dis sh*t.
    
    I think Miami dropped out 'cuz they were getting too close to real
    classrooms.
    
    MikeL
    

So which is it, MikeL?

You gittin into dis or you gonna just say you aint and then zing a slur?f

TTom

    Ain't gettin' into it.. Just slingin' some dung Miami's way, that's
    all,
    
    No more Miami slurs
    
    MikeL
    

  OK, OK, OK, I guess I have to expect a few zingers after my last reply.

  Enough has been said, It think it's best to start looking at the rest of 
  the season. 

	Keith

    
    	No, I think Marty has it right.  NU fans are definitely whiners
    	and so are CU fans.....to a lesser degree.  :*)
    
    Claybone

>  OK, OK, OK, I guess I have to expect a few zingers after my last reply.

As they say up Vermont way - yup.


>  Enough has been said, It think it's best to start looking at the rest of 
>  the season. 

>	Keith

And CU had better do just that. They still have OU at Norman and Nebraska.
If they don't get their defense together then they could hang up a 4 or 5
in the loss column.

On the other hand - they can still salvage a good season if they win the 
Big-8. You can be they won't quit.

Husker Henderson

Article 46114 of rec.sport.football.college:
    Impressions:  (From my own perspective :) )
The Husker's are 4-0, as expected, and starting to show glimpses of the
preseason promise. Nebraska defeated Colorado State 48 to 13 in a game that
was never in doubt. On NU's first play from scrimmage the crowd roared its 
pleasure when Calvin Jones lined up in the I-back position. He never got near
the ball or any contact and promptly left the game after the first play. The
reason he made that appearance is because of a rule that a player must 
participate in at least 75% of a teams games before his stats are officially 
recognized. If Calvin had not played that one play, he would only have been
able to be in 72% of the games for the year, and no matter how well he plays
his stats would not have officially counted, severly hurting his chances of
All-america honers. We're all looking forward to seeing Calvin back for real
in 1.5 weeks vs. Okie State. Tommie Frazier is finally starting to look like
his old self. His running is much smoother, and he wasn't limping hardly at
all after he left the game. Overall, the Offense is beginning to run a bit
smoother, they should be hitting on all cylinders again when Calvin and Tommie
are both 100%.

Defensively, the Blackshirts are definitely a big-play defense. They are either
making the big play or giving it up. :) At least against CSU they did more of 
the former. The DBs are doing a pretty good job covering receivers, and the 2
interceptions this week were huge plays. Trev Alberts is playing like a man 
possessed! If he isn't the *best* linebacker in the country, I'd like to know 
who is. CSU just could not block him, and he was always hurrying the QB as well
as leading the team in tackles, 4 of which were for losses, and a QB sack. As a
whole the Blackshirts are averaging 5 sacks per game, 12 of them came in the 
last 2 games. Overall, the defense needs to tighten up even more, and not allow
the big plays, before we play Colorado. The bright side is that they definitely
seem to be improving every week, and they have the potential to be dominators.

The Huskers have this saturday off and resume play on the following thursday,
Oct. 7th, against Oklahoma State on ESPN. 

   The scoring story: (From the Omaha World Herald)
1st Quarter:
  NU - CSU 
   7 - 0   NU touchdown: Toby Wright 32-yard interception return. Converstion:
           Byron Bennett kick. Time left: 14:03.
   7 - 3   CSU field goal: 43 yards by David Napier. Drive: 51 yards in 10 
           plays. Time elapsed: 3:01. Key plays: Eric Olsen 9-yard pass from
           Anthony Hill on 3rd and 4 to CSU 38, Hill 30-yard scramble, Leonice
           Brown 13-yard run to NU 26. Time left: 7:32.
  14 - 3   NU touchdown: Lawrence Phillips 7-yard run. Conversion: Bennett
           kick. Drive: 78 yards in 11 plays. Time elapsed: 4:37. Key plays:
           Phillips runs of 10, 9, 10, 8, and 12 yards, and Gerald Armstrong
           14-yard pass from Tommie Frazier. Time left: 2:49.
2nd Quarter:
  21 - 3   NU touchdown: Frazier 16-yard run. Conversion: Bennett kick. Drive:
           59 yards in 6 plays. Time elapsed: 2:17. Key plays: Phillips 11-yard
           run, Trumane Bell 15-yard pass from Frazier to CSU 16. Time left:
           5:17.
  28 - 3   NU touchdown: Armstrong 1-yard pass from Frazier. Conversion:
           Bennett kick. Drive: 39 yards in 6 plays. Time elapsed: 2:55. Key
           plays: Jeff Makovicka runs of 11 and 17 yards. Time left: 0:43.
  28 - 6   CSU field goal: 42 yards by Napier. Drive: 40 yards in 7 plays.
           Time elapsed: 0:38. Key plays: Paul Turner 21-yard pass from Hill,
           Hill 19-yard scramble. Time left: 0:00.
3rd Quarter:
  34 - 6   NU touchdown: Abdul Muhammad 41-yard pass from Frazier. Conversion:
           Bennett kick failed. Drive: 72 yards in 7 plays. Time elapsed: 2:29.
           Key plays: Clinton Childs 6-yard run and 15-yard CSU personal foul
           to NU 49, Childs 9-yard run on 3rd and 1 to CSU 33. Time left: 5:18.
4th Quarter:
  41 - 6   NU touchdown: Childs 5-yard pass from Brook Berringer. Conversion:
           Bennett kick. Drive: 17 yards in 5 plays after Kareem Moss' 42-yard
           interception return. Time elapsed: 1:48. Key plays: Eric Alford
           10-yard pass from Berringer. Time left: 11:58.
  41 - 13  CSU touchdown: Leonice Brown 8-yard run. Conversion: Napier kick.
           Drive: 60 yards in 5 plays. Time elapsed: 2:06. Key plays: Terrence
           Zenno 40-yard pass from Hill. Time left: 3:53.
  48 - 13  NU touchdown: Jeff Makovicka 22-yard run. Conversion: Bennett kick.
           Drive: 28 yards in 4 plays after Damon Benning's 57-yard kickoff
           return and 15-yard CSU facemask penalty. Time elapsed: 1:51. Time
           left: 1:52.
 
Game Stats:
Category                                NU              CSU 
First Downs                             20              15
  by rushing                            14              7 
  by passing                            4               6 
  by penalty                            2               2
Rushes - yards                          46 - 254        39 - 124
  Avg. per carry                        5.5             3.2
Comp. - att. - int.                     11 - 21 - 0     12 - 35 - 2
Passing yards                           106             144
Total yards                             360             268
Total plays                             67              74
  Avg. per play                         5.4             3.6
Kickoff returns                         3 - 112         6 - 117
Punt returns                            6 - 31          3 - 18
Punts - average                         7 - 40.0        8 - 42.0
Fumbles - lost                          1 - 0           0 - 0
Penalties - yards                       7 - 79          14 - 124
Sacks by - yards lost                   6 - 44          1 - 8 
3rd-down conversions                    4 - 15          7 - 18
Time of possession                      31:30           28:30
 
Some individual stats:
Rushing:
Lawrence Phillips: 79 yards on 14 carries. 5.6 yds/crry, Long 12, 1 TD.
Tommie Frazier: 75 yds, 11 carries, 6.8 y/c. Long 21, 1 TD.
Jeff Makovicka: 62 yds, 7 carries, 8.9 y/c, Long 22, 1TD.
Clinton Childs: 15 yds, 3 carries, 5.0 y/c, Long 9.
Cory Schlesinger: 9 yds, 3 carries, 3.0 y/c. Long 4.
Damon Benning had 6 yds on 2 carries. 3.0 yds/crry, Long 4, 1TD. 
 
Passing:
Tommie Frazier: 7 of 13 for 79 yds, and 2 TDs, with 0 interceptions.
Brook Berringer: 4 of 8 for 27 yds, and 1 TD, with 0 interceptions.
 
Receiving:
Gerald Armstrong 2 catches for 15 yards.
Clester Johnson 2 catches for 12 yards.
Damon Benning 2 catches for 3 yards.
Abdul Muhammad 1 catch for 41 yards.
Trumane Bell 1 catches for 15 yards.
 
Tackles:
Trev Albers: 8 total, 2 unassisted 6 assists, 1 sack.
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>And CU had better do just that. They still have OU at Norman and Nebraska.

  I'm actually more concerned about the OU game. It's very hard to win a
  tough road game with a defense that has been less than inspiring. The Standfud
  game really proved that. And the Sooners appear to be pumped up after their 
  big win against A&M. Right now, it appears that OU and NU are close, talent 
  wise. We'll know a lot more about the Sooners after the Texas game.

	Keith

>>And CU had better do just that. They still have OU at Norman and Nebraska.

>  I'm actually more concerned about the OU game. It's very hard to win a
>  tough road game with a defense that has been less than inspiring. The Standfud
>  game really proved that. And the Sooners appear to be pumped up after their 
>  big win against A&M. Right now, it appears that OU and NU are close, talent 
>  wise. We'll know a lot more about the Sooners after the Texas game.

>	Keith

Not only that but CU has les time to improve before they hit OU. They have 2
weeks until OU and about 4 or 5 weeks to NU.

Keep in mind that we have not seen the best of NU this year. You see it's not
just Jones and Frazier who have been hurt. There are many others playing hurt
and less than 100%. A very very good linebacker named Dante Jones has been out
of the lineup altogether. This guy is a monster and VERY fast. 

Anyway, CU has got to get their act together. I'm sure they will improve but
my prediction is that the Big-8 championship game will be played in Lincoln
at Thanksgiving. The more things change the more they stay the same. I could
be, however, eating crow on that...

Husker Henderson

This CU team isn't a Big 8 or little 3 champion material. The test is going to 
be OU/NU  on turkey weekend. My onnly question is will CU make a bowl game this 
yeay with possibly 3-4 losses. 

Jeff

Waiting for Koy Detmer 

Article: 1153
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.football.college
Subject: Miami offers anti-fighting plan
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 13:55:18 PDT
 
	CORAL GABLES, Fla. (UPI) -- Athletic Director Paul T. Dee and Coach
Dennis Erickson of the University of Miami said Tuesday the Hurricanes
will suspend players for fighting in the future and recommended the NCAA
do the same thing.
	The university recommended an NCAA crackdown on fighting Tuesday in
the wake of the Hurricanes' brawl at Colorado Saturday. Erickson said
the school would immediately begin following the guidelines, which
include game suspensions. But they will not be retroactive to Saturday's
outbreak.
	The prolonged fight near the end of the first half of Miami's 35-29
victory was one of at least four fights at games this weekend. But the
one in Boulder resulted in the most ejections.
	Seven Hurricanes and five Colorado players were thrown out of the
contest.
	The Hurricanes have acquired a negative reputation along with their
four national titles in the last 10 years because of taunting, excessive
celebrations, penalties and fighting. University of Miami officials have
said the problem has been cut down by Erickson in the last two years,
but with the fight Saturday, it flared up again.
	Erickson and Dee are recommending a one-game suspension for a first
offense and a three-game suspension for a second offense.
	Any player leaving the bench area to become engaged in an altercation
would be subject to an automatic one-game suspension.
	Dee and Erickson said all incidents would be subject to review for
appeal on an individual basis.
	``Following the past weekend's events at several games throughout the
country, we felt it necessary to develop some guidelines in order to
ensure that this tupe of activity does not continue,'' Dee said.
	He said some of the rules were borrowed from other intercollegiate
and professional sports. The NCAA has an anti-fighting policy for
basketball and hockey, but none for football.
	``We hope these recommendations will serve as the beginning of a
model for the NCAA in helping to solve this problem,'' Dee said.
	Erickson said he hoped the rules will stop fighting in the future.
	``There has to be a way to stop the fighting and control the benches
from emptying onto the field,'' he said. ``As head coach, I am
responsible for the actions of our players and I feel something has got
to be done to control that type of behavior during the games.''

    The should look at the policies for rugby too.  Anyone ejected from a
    game is ineligible to play the following game as well.

yeah, well, Rugby has the answer for everything.

The Crazy Met

The rule, "leave the bench and fight equals ejection", would stop this
real soon. 

Maybe add to this some responsibility for fights on the sidelines. Like
each coach is responsible for any fights on the respective sidelines.
This would handle fighting where one team doesn't have to leave the bench
to fight such as the helmet bashing that happened on the the Tar Heels
sideline Saturday.

Imagine if'n they threw out all those involved in the Miami-Colorado.

TTom

ESPN reported that the coaches on both Miami and Colorado instituted
a policy that players leaving the bench for a brawl would get an automatic
one game suspension.

The Crazy Met

ps waddya mean you weren't watching the 1:30AM SportsCenter last night :-)

    TCM, read back a few replies (like the one 2 before your jab at rugby).

      Erickson is not doing this retroactive to last saturdays brawl?  Is
    he afraid of benching his players and jeopordizing a win?
    
      McCartney is benching his players from what I have heard.
    
      Hum...
    
      Tim

    
    
       He said it would be too easy to suspend them against Ga. Southern
    
    
    
    Chappy

Really Mike you shouldn't laugh. If Dennis suspends them against Ga. S. that's
what the player will do. LAUGH! Now if he really had some cajoons he'd 
suspend them against Fla. St.. That would really send a message of sincerity.

As much as I hate the ole sandbagger, I got to give him credit for suspending
his Arkansas players the eve of the Orange Bowl...Still beat OU too as an
18 point dog. Once again he did it as a dog....

mike

    
    And if Erickson suspended them against Fla. St., people would say he
    did it cause he knew he was going to lose anyway.  
    
    brews

    
>    And if Erickson suspended them against Fla. St., people would say he
>    did it cause he knew he was going to lose anyway.  
    
    
 Maybe Brews, but this won't be the first time that Fla St. was ranked higher
 and the favorite before the game and left with their tails between their
 legs. Still though the point here isn't how the public perceives it but
 how the players perceive it. Nobody wants to sit out of the biggest game
 of the year but if coach did force a few to miss it the rest would get the
 message loud and clear. Isn't it the players that need to be reached? After
 all they're the ones fighting.....

 mike

Article: 1157
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (JEFF SHAIN, UPI College Football Correspondent)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.football.college,clari.sports.top
Subject: Time to crack down on fighting -- hard
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 13:14:04 PDT
 
Commentary
	The NCAA has rules to penalize a kid for accepting a T-shirt from a
recruiter. The NCAA has rules to penalize schools for buying one of its
athletes a plane ticket home to attend a relative's funeral.
	Does the NCAA have any rules -- anything in its encyclopedia of
violations for virtually meaningless transgressions -- that punish a
football player for engaging in a brawl, one in which several on both
sides were involved with serious intent to injure?
	No.
	Not one.
	Think about that. The NCAA has a million rules governing the
slightest of recruiting infractions, but not one for the most flagrant
violations of conduct and sportsmanship on the football field.
	A total of 21 players -- nearly two full units -- were ejected from
four major brawls on the field last Saturday. All 21 of them will return
to action this weekend, with nothing more than a reprimand on their
records.
	And we're not just talking about your usual slap-and-shove, boys-
will-be-boys type of football scuffle. Those kind of fights usually are
pretty moronic, anyway, since breaking your thumb taking a swing at some
guy's helmet is a pretty embarrassing way to apply for a medical
redshirt.
	No, these were knock-down, full-battle-armor gang skirmishes that
often involved the use of the helmet as a weapon. That kind of assault
on the street can get you up to six years making license plates.
	On the football field, you get a slap on the wrist. You might even
get a sort of backhanded praise for your aggressiveness and team
loyalty.
	At least, that's the way it seems at Miami. For all the the
pontificating Coach Dennis Erickson has done about toning down the act,
the Hurricanes still come across as Team 'Tude, the undisputed gang
lords ready to defend their turf anytime, anywhere. (``When you're a
'Cane, / You're a 'Cane all the way; / From the moment you sign / To
your last New Year's Day. ...'')
	And there they were again Saturday, squaring off against Colorado in
the afternoon's featured bout. This one set some new all-time lows for
conduct.
	There was Miami's Marcus Carey stomping on a fallen Colorado player.
There was Colorado's Michael Westbrook running the length of the field
to stick a knee in someone's back. There was Miami's Dennis Scott
sprinting 10 yards and belting a Buffalo with a forearm smash. There was
Colorado's Christian Fauria and Gerald Ancar, spearing a prone Kevin
Patrick of Miami as he lay tangled with another player.
	We'd embarrass others, but reporters covering the game couldn't take
notes fast enough. Officials also had to use shorthand.
	``The officials tried to separate them at first, but it got too
involved,'' referee Buddy Ward said. ``So we kind of stood by and took
track of (uniform) numbers that were involved.''
	Seven Miami players were kicked out, Colorado five. It was far too
few, and even Ward admitted that those ejected ``were ones we definitely
saw with flagrant personal fouls -- slugs, kicks, things like that.''
	For the Hurricanes, it marked the fifth brawl in the last six years.
But mention this trend to Miami Athletic Director Paul Dee, and all you
get is indignance.
	``The perception is wrong,'' Dee said after Saturday's game.
	Perceive this, Mr. Dee: The infamous tunnel brawl with Notre Dame in
1988. Another pre-game altercation with Kansas in 1990. And fights with
San Diego State in both 1990 and 1992.
	But we digress. Miami-Colorado was merely Saturday's main event.
There was Virginia-Duke and Maryland-Virginia Tech, a pair of
preliminaries that resulted in four ejections each. Then came North
Carolina-N.C. State.
	This one, between schools separated by only 30 miles, also had the
potential for real ugliness. Rather than risk smashing their thumbs on
somebody's helmet, several players were taking off their OWN helmets and
swinging them like medieval maces.
	After the game, two assistant coaches even had to be separated in a
separate incident. Each of the assistants, Donnie Thompson of North
Carolina and Ted Cain of N.C. State, have been suspended for one game.
	But no players -- from any of the brawls -- will miss a minute of
playing time beyond their ejections.
	The NCAA has rules requiring mandatory suspensions for fighting in
basketball and baseball, sports with not nearly the potential for
serious damage (unless somebody comes out of the dugout swinging
aluminum).
	But football has none. In fact, when the subject was broached in an
NCAA questionnaire after last season, two-thirds of the coaches
preferred to keep current rules in place.
	That is, to keep NO rules in place.
	This week, both Miami and Colorado announced new standards calling
for a one-game suspension of any player ejected for fighting. The
policies are not retroactive.
	That's fine, but we need something across-the-board, applicable to
everybody whose ego overcomes common sense.
	In a classic example of too little, too late, conference
commissioners will take the matter up this week at their annual meeting
on the state of intercollegiate athletics. And John Adams, secretary
editor of the NCAA football rules committee, said he hopes his committee
will tackle the matter in the off-season.
	``What we need is a deterrent,'' Big East Commissioner Mike Tranghese
said. ``Right now, there is no deterrent.''
	A good start would be to copy the rule currently in place for
basketball. Any player ejected from a game for fighting also would miss
the next contest. And a coach whose team leaves the bench area to join a
fight also is subject to a one-game suspension.
	Or maybe we should take the advice of Stanford Coach Bill Walsh.
Before the season begins, Walsh said, players would receive an official
warning from the college president that any player caught fighting is
ineligible for the rest of the season.
	``I think (fighting is) in total contrast with what formal education
represents,'' Walsh said.
	He's right. Let's get fighting out of the game before somebody gets
seriously injured.

    	Did I hear right?  McCartney is going to suspend players *next*
    time they come off the bench to join a brawl?
    
    				/Don

    
    	That's what I figured would happen.
    
    	I read an interesting article the other day in our local
    	fishwrapper.  It went through how ole Bronco Nagurski was
    	*rough & tumble* and nobody made a big deal about fights
    	in games.  In other words, fights occur even between 
    	racquetball partners.  The point being made was that players
    	should be suspended from the game and that's it.  Too big
    	a deal is being made out of all of this because we've all
    	become so enlightened.  I agree.
    
    Claybone

  Well, the Big 8 starts it's conference games on Thursday with The Huksters
  and the Cowboys on ESPN. I can't remember where the game is being played.
  If it's in Stillwater, it might be an interesting game. If it's in Lincoln, 
  the guys in red who play first string will be sitting in the hot tub by 
  half time. The Cowboys have a good defense but have been having trouble
  putting points on the board.

  The Sooners have their big game against the Longhorns on Saturday. It will
  be one of ABC's regional games. Something like 26 Sooners were hospitalized
  with food poisoning this week. They think it was the food on the plane they
  took from Iowa State last weekend. Those guys are all still feeling the 
  effects of tossin their cookies for the last few days, but I suspect 
  they'll be ready by Saturday. 

  The Buffs have made some defensive changes. DT Kerry Hicks is movin to 2nd 
  string. Shannon Clavelle will move from NT to take Hicks's place. Jeff 
  Brunner will take over the NT position. Darius Holland remains at the other
  DT position. I think this has always been their best defensive line but it's
  taken Brunner a long time to come back after blowing out his knee last year. 
  Chris Hudson and Dennis Collier will switch their cornerback and safety
  positions. However, I think the Buffs need to see if Deon Figures has any
  younger brothers willing to go to CU to improve the secondary. CU
  plays Missouri in Folsom field on Saturday. I expect a blowout by the 
  2nd quarter and more calls for Missouri to can Skull.

  Derek Brown was quoted this week as saying that one of the major reasons
  why he left NU early and turned pro was because he hated playing for Tom 
  Osborne. But I'm sure every major football program has at least a few 
  players who hate their coach.

	Keith

  If they only would have stopped the game at the end of the 2nd quarter,
  I could have said "How bout dem Cowboys". But the Huskers did play better
  in the 2nd half and the Cowboy offense forgot to show up after playing 
  fairly well for the first 2 quarters.

  Trev Alberts is one of the quickest linebackers I've ever seen.

  Frazier's passing stunk up the stadium and Calvin Jones looked a step
  slower than last year. But those guys are both coming off injuries and 
  I suspect they'll play better later in the year.

	Keith

I think you can attribute any lack of Nebraska success on the entire
offense scheme. Every offensive play looked mechanical in style and
almost slow motion in execution. It looks like the design guideline that
Osborne uses is that all we gotta do is get 6 300 pounders up front and
he'll push you outta of the way without regard to what you do about it.
Hail, a lot of times, it looked like the Cowboys knew the plays better
than the Cornhuskers.

The really sad part about all this is the "success" they have with it.
They win virtually all the games in the lower level of the league (that's
5 games) and schedule cupcakes that Virginia would be proud to play which
is another couple of games. Hail, they start out looking at 8 wins. Luck
out and beat UCLA and hope for the best with Colorado and Oklahoma and
bingo, your bowling on New Year's. Of course, whereupon, they get thumped
by someone who knows a month in advance what the Big Red Game Plan is
gonna be.

TTom

    And amazingly Nebraska moved up to #5 in the polls. To have them ahead
    of Miami,Ohio State and Penn State is a joke.

  
  They may be ranked #5 but Oklahoma has been the most impressive in the 
  Big 8 so far this year and they're ranked around #10. Too bad, strength 
  of schedule doesn't play a bigger role in the rankings.

  Colorado goes to Norman this weekend and I hate to say it but I think
  they should be 7 point underdogs. The Sooners have a very good defense
  and a balanced offense with some real horses at running back. Plus, after 
  having relatively poor teams the last few years, the fans and players are 
  pumped up. The Buffs will need a few breaks to win in Norman.

	Keith

I've always thought that many of Osborne's plays are too slow to develope.
When you play vs a defense with a lot of speed this can get you in trouble.
Osborne's has changed his offense very little over the last 20 years.

I do think that Jones and Frazier are slowed by their injuries. Linebacker
Dante Jones is still not 100% either. I think NU will get better. Perhaps
good enough to win the Big-8 and loose the Florida Bowl.

Husker Henderson

    The Huskers have a Dante Jones now, too, Marty?  The "other" Dante Jones
    was an All-America LB five years ago at Oklahoma and was doing very 
    well with the Bears last I checked.  What's going on here?  Are the 
    Huskers fielding professionals now, too?
    
    glenn
    

    
    Yo glenn,
    
    	Got any predictions on CU versus your Okies?  My crystal ball 
    	says OU by at least a TD.  I've got a feeling they might be
    	all the way back from the penalties the NCAA levied on them.
    
    Claybone  

Glenn, they are not fielding pros, just making them.  ;^)

Yea the guys name is Dante Jones and he's really good. He compliments
Trev Albers very well. I'm glad that you mentioned the Oklahoma player
because I knew I heard that name somewhere before but could not place it.
He on those Oklahoma teams of the mid/late 80's when they had a very good
defense. Right?

Hey guys, I hate to say it but I really think CU is up against it tomorrow.
CU was, uhum shall we say, VERY FORTUNATE (aka - a little lucky) to tie
OU last year in Boulder. With CU's backfield problems - I'd say Gundy could
be in line for a career day. But if I were a CU fan the thing that would
scare me the most are the intangibles. OU is hungry and it's at Oklahoma.

Lets just say if CU pulls it off I for one will be supprised. And I don't
think this stems from my "love" for CU. HA. I really think OU is on a roll.
That is until they come to Lincoln!  ;^)

Now that I've applied the KOD. Watch Colorado win.

Husker Henderson

    >	Got any predictions on CU versus your Okies?  My crystal ball 
    >	says OU by at least a TD.  I've got a feeling they might be
    >	all the way back from the penalties the NCAA levied on them.
    
    Naw, no predictions.  I have a feeling in my gut that says that in spite
    of Colorado's two losses (against very good competition) that they and
    Nebraska still have more talent than OU does, though.  I've been too
    disappointed by OU in recent years even in games that they were
    supposed to win (like all the Texas games, and the Colorado game last
    year that was in the bag and fumbled away) to get too optimistic, too
    early.  The home field should help, though.  Unfortunately I won't get
    to see the game this year because it was deemed too interesting to give
    to ESPN and not interesting enough to the Northeast (we get Ohio St-
    Mich St, I think).  Game recap and analysis next week would be much
    appreciated...
    
    glenn
      

    
    >                      -< SANDBAGGIN" ALERT!! 8^) >-
    
    Hey, unlike Lou, until Gary Gibbs actually wins a couple of big games, 
    he and OU fans have every right to cover their heads to fend off the 
    falling debris... ;-)
    
    glenn
    

  This morning's weather forecast said that it's supposed to rain all
  day tomorrow in Oklahoma. But, I'm not sure who will gain an advantage 
  if it does rain. CU throws more than OU but OU runs the option more than
  CU. Both are more likely to result in turnovers in the rain. The rain may 
  help to quiet the OU fans. However, my gut instinct says that the team 
  with the better defense will gain the advantage in the rain. (obviously,
  OU has the better D).

  The Colorado defense has had the most trouble with teams that use the 
  short passing attack. At times, CU has defensed the run very well.
  OU runs more than the teams CU has played so far but they also have better
  running backs than CU's previous competition. I don't believe OU 
  incorporates the short passing attack that much.

  I also agree with a previous noter who said that he thinks CU has the 
  better talent. Also, OU has not faced an offense anywhere near as dangerous 
  as Colorado's. However, OU is pumped up, playing at home in front of some
  very enthusiastic fans and CU's confidence and motivation must be shaken
  after 2 heart breaking loses which went down to the last play.

  As I said in a previous note, OU favored by 6-7 sounds about right to me
  but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a Buff upset.

	Keith   

  Well, all of the predictions on the CU-OU game were wrong. For the most part,
  Colorado dominated the game on both sides of the line of scrimage. 

  Meanwhile, the mightly Huskers gave up 489 passing yards to the national
  power from Manhatten, Kansas. The game could have gone either way until 
  halfway through the 4th quarter. A couple of weeks ago, the Omaha papers were
  gushing about how the Big 8 had returned to the good old days when the NU and
  OU would again dominate the Big 8 and decide the conference championship 
  the day after Thanksgiving.

  Recently, OU has received a number of complaints about the condition of
  Owen field. A local sportswriter called it "cement painted green". Cale
  Gundy received a serious concussion on Saturday when his head hit the turf 
  in what looked like a routine tackle. But at least Oklahoma plans to do 
  something about the bad field. In the near future, they're going to put in 
  real grass. I believe Missouri has similar plans. The Big 8 has been an 
  "all carpet" conference for quite a while. I hope we see more changes.

	Keith

    
    Yes, as I was afraid of, Oklahoma was "living a lie".  Hey, you look at
    the teams that Colorado has had in recent seasons, and the fact that
    there's no shame in playing a team like Miami as well as they did and
    losing, and this result is not so surprising...
    
    glenn
       

    It may seem as though Olkahoma is not back yet. I did not see the game
    so I can't comment. It does appear that CU had them down the whole
    game. Congrats to CU. Big, big win for them.
    
    As for the "might Huskers". Boy I just can't figure it out. Either this
    years Husker squad is just not that good - or - the character of this
    team is such that they play to the level of compitition. You got me. I
    have not a clue.
    
    Husker offense looked better. Frazier passed well. Plus when his
    receivers were covered Frazier burned them bad with the scramble.
    This adds another factor to the Husker offense. Jones looked better
    than last week but still not 100%. 
    
    The big question mark is the defense. This is hard to figure. KSU had a
    heck of a game plan. They pretty much took Trev Alberts out of the
    game. They either double teamed him, rolled away from him, or executed
    very quick stuff which did not give Alberts time to go the QB. Plus 
    their receivers made a few catches that were incredible to watch.
    Mizzou burned NU's Defense big-time just before last years CU game.
    Then the Blackshirts turned it around vs CU. I'll tell ya I have no
    idea what to think about NU's D this year. They did change the entire
    defensive scheme. Perhaps they are not used to the new D? Perhaps they
    just are not that good? I don't know.
    
    The good thing about this years squad is it's character. When it has to
    get done they get it done on both sides of the ball. The win at UCLA on
    grass without Jones and Frazier limping looks bigger every week. UCLA
    has a legit shot at winning the Pac-10. They beat Washington and
    Stanford. This is the only thing which gives me hope that NU is really
    a top-10 team. I think NU's #3 rank is not deserved. They must play
    better vs better compitition to deserve #3. I'd say NU should be about
    8th or so right now.
    
    NU at CU. I don't know folks. CU will be fired up. But will they be so
    fired up they psych themselves right out? We know CU is a good team.
    Miami had them beat pretty soundly until they let their guard down in 
    Q4 but CU did come back. CU had Stanford beat until choked. The point
    is that CU is confirmed to me as a legit "good" team. Not a great team.
    They can hurt you bad with their offense. 
    
    How good is UCLA really? How good is KSU really? They were 5 - 0 vs
    bad compitition going into Nebraska. NU had very bad injury problems 
    for the UCLA game. I say they would have beat them worse if they were
    healthy. Husker are like a yo-yo this year. Which Huskers will show up
    at Folsom? Gyawd you got me. I have no idea. Will Nebraska blow out
    Mizzou this week at home? I don't know.
    
    Everyone is used to NU blowing out lesser teams and lossing to really
    good teams. Is this the year that NU plays to the level of it's
    compitition all year long but only looses once or not at all? You got
    me. 
    
    I know what you are thinking. You are going to say "Nebraska has played
    no one at all. They suck". As I said before if it were not for UCLA
    then I would agree. But the UCLA game makes you think that NU is
    decent. It's been a weird season for the Husker so far. But 6 - 0 is 
    still UNDEFEATED.
    
    Glen, don't be cocky about the "might Huskers". I guarantee you they
    will be fired up big-time for next years game. NU had a great game plan
    for last years game. Will NU's coaches out-coach CU again this year?
    
    By the way. Trev Alberts appologized to the Husker offense and to the
    fans after the game. He was pissed about it as he should be. Expect the
    Blackshirts to come back from this...   ...but then again who knows?
    
    If I had to bet right now I might say CU will beat NU. I can't figure
    out Nebraska...
    
    Marty
    
    

    re: -1 my own.
    
    Sorry for all the dumb typos. I enter these things in such a big
    hurry...
    
    One point I forgot to make in that post. This could be turned around
    and made a positive for Nebraska. With a defensive performance like
    that vs KSU they can't afford to grow complacent. They know they must 
    improve and will be motivated to do so.
    
    As a Husker fan I can only hope.
    
    Husker Henderson

  Well, Marty, as much as I bash the Mighty Huskers in this notes file,
  I will give them more credit than some other folks. Beating UCLA on the
  road was actually a bigger victory than most people thought. At the beginning
  of the year, most people didn't give UCLA much respect but with their 
  performances of late, I'm sure they have gained more respect and may be
  the best team in the Pac-10. If the UCLA running back, who was having a great
  day, hadn't got injured, UCLA might have won. I agree with your ranking
  of NU around 7 or 8.

  However, UCLA is the only worthy opponent that the Mighty Huskers
  have played so far. And they have struggled against some of the lesser
  teams. 

  It appears that CU's defense is improving. They have talent but many players
  lack experience. They appear to be much better against the run than the pass.
  OU only gained something like 60 yards on the ground and it seemed like
  most of it was when Gundy scrambled out of the pocket. As we all know,
  the Mighty Husker's bread and butter is student body left, right and up the
  middle. This might not work well against the Buffs. Frazier will have to
  have a big day and I predict that his play will be the key to the game.
  I'm not too concerned about his passing but I am concerned about his
  running out of the pocket.

  Colorado plays KSU this weekend at Manhatten. KSU is actually ranked
  in the top 25 in some polls. While certainly not a great team, you have to
  give them credit for turning their program around in the last few years.
  They have won something like 12 in a row on their home field. I don't
  believe that either OU or NU plays at Manhatten because of the stadium size.
  Their last loss in Manhatten was to the Buffs. If they could pass like they
  did against NU, they might give CU a tough time also since CU has been
  volnerable to good passing teams.

  When the CU/NU game starts the day before Haloween, I think CU may be
  favored by 2 or 3 points.
 
	Keith

So lets see if I got this right. NU wins their remaining games - not that far
fetched after OU's play against CU; and they can beat CU. Then they go
to a bowl game highly ranked and once again get blown out.

The Crazy Met

Keith, you should be concerned about Fraziers scrambles. He burned KSU with 
them big time. But you should also be concerned with his passing. This has
improved. He burned KSU several times Saturday with the pass. And Jones is
pretty close to 100%. His accelaration off the ball was better Satruday than
it was the week before.

Here are the reasons for KSU's passing success vs the "might Huskers" last
Saturday:

1. Moving pocket. Alberts got only 1 or 2 sacks. The rolled the pocket away
from Alberts and executed their double-team blocking schemes on the right
people. Give any decent QB time and he will pick you apart. The other guys
HAVE to pick it up when the other teams game plan takes Alberts (a pure
animal) out of the flow. This is correctable.

2. Freshman mistakes. In the second half the DB's were playing the 3 deep 
zone. A pretty conservative approach but they did start the second half
with a 17 point lead. Many of KSU's 488 yards passing came from big plays.
A Freshman safety blew the 3 deep zone for 1 70 yard (aprox) TD. Some other
mistakes were made like this as well. This is correctable.

3. NU had 3 interceptions. They should have had 6 to 8. Husker DB's had 5
balls in their hands which they either dropped. 3 of those balls fell into 
the KSU receives hands for long gains. This is a fluke. It will not happen
often.

4. KSU circus catches. There were about 5 fantastic catches by the KSU 
receivers. IN each instance the receiver was smothered by 2, 3, or 4 NU
DB's/linebackers. In short - KSU played the game of their life. Give KSU
credit. If the NU rush was their little of this would have happened.

As far as NU winning all of their games and playing #1, #2, or #3 in the
Orange bowl. This is a very possible situation. It is not a given they will
be blown out. Look at last years Orange Bowl. They did not get blown out
by Florida State in Florida. They definately played with those horses and
minus a few Freshman mistakes were in the game till the end. This year the
passing game is improved.

Buy why even think about that unless you just want to post a jab and then run.
Nu has to get thru the Big-8 undefeated first. They have the talent and the
character to do it but you never know. I must admit I am a bit worried about
the game the day before Halloween. By the way it's going to be on ABC. This
years game should be a real barn-burner. Especially with those CU fans 
drinking beer at the game. I just hope there is no snow on the ground.  ;^)

Huskers will get their act together...    ...I hope!

Husker Henderson

    
    Marty, what the heck are the "might Huskers"?  Are you intentionally
    dropping the "y" because of Nebraska's less-than-dominant play this
    season?  Is this the new team nickname in Lincoln?
    
    glenn
    

  BTW, KSU's 489 yards passing against the Corncrunchers was an all time 
  Big 8 record for passing yardage in a game.
  
  Yes, ABC is picking up the Buff/Cornpuncher game as one of their regional 
  games. It will start at 1:30. I'm glad it's not a night game. I hate driving 
  back home for 2 hours late at night. And then the kids come in and wake us up
  5:00 AM.

	Keith 

re:.264

when has that ever mad a difference??:-)

seriously the only time I might watch NU is NU-OU game or if
I happen to be home and it is the last ESPN game on Sat. night.

The Crazy Met

>  Yes, ABC is picking up the Buff/Cornpuncher game as one of their regional 
>  games. It will start at 1:30. I'm glad it's not a night game. I hate driving 
>  back home for 2 hours late at night. And then the kids come in and wake us up
>  5:00 AM.

>	Keith

Keith buddy, you have it all wrong. It's the Fluffalos vs the Bugeaters. But 
you are correct about the day game thing and the drive back - you * WILL * 
need all the stress relief you can get after the Mighty Huskers whip up on
the poor Fluffs. There will be dead Fluffalo's all over the field. Kind of 
like in the Kevin Costner movie. Yea, sleep is a very good method of stress
relief.

;^)

Actually I am a little nervous about this one.

Marty

re: .267

Its OK Met. Hey, anyone with the Mets in their personal name just can't
be taken seriously.   ;^)

Husker boy Henderson

>    Marty, what the heck are the "might Huskers"?  Are you intentionally
>    dropping the "y" because of Nebraska's less-than-dominant play this
>    season?  Is this the new team nickname in Lincoln?
    
>    glenn

Hmmm. Perhaps a Freudian slip? It could be because the Huskers are the
"might haves" of college football. If the refs call the Penn State receiver
out of bounds the Huskers "might" have been national champions. If Gill 
throws the 2 point conversion about 2 inches higher the Husker "might" have
been national champions. If the refs call the clips on the Fluffs punt
returns (2 of them on 2 seperate returns) in '89 the Huksers "might" have
won...    and on and on it goes...

Us Husker fans know the meaning of "might".

re: .271

ok time for a history lesson. What game against Penn St? which 2 point
conversion?

The Crazy Met

re: -1

Met. In 1982, the year Nebraska had Mike Rozier, Roger Craig, Irving Fryar,
Turner Gill, and several offensive lineman who would be drafted, NU lost 1
game. That loss came durring the season at Penn State. Yes NU won the Orange
Bowl that year. NU had Penn State down in the final seconds when there were
two very controversial calls on pass plays. One in the end-zone for the
winning TD. I still say it was a trap. Now, if those calls went the other
way then Penn State still MIGHT have won the game but we will never know.
This loss cost Nebraska the MNC. Penn State went undefeated and got the MNC.

In 1983 the Huksers had everyone listed above except Roger Craig who was a
49'er. NU was ranked #1 from pre-season to bowl. Miami's QB Cosar had a great
day but NU scored a TD with about 1:20 left in the game. This brought Nebraska
to within 1 point. Osborne gained national respect by going for the 2 points
as opposed to kicking the extra point for a tie and securing the MNC. Yes a
tie would have resulted in a MNC for Nebraska.

The attempted 2 point conversion was a pass play. Turner Gill (Now the current
Nebraska QB's coach) rolled right and attempted a pass to NU's backukp I-back.
Rozeir - that years Heisman winner - went out of the game with an ankle injury.
The pass was tipped by a Miami defender and fell just short of the NU tailbacks
hands. Miami wins by 1. This cost Nebraska the MNC. This was far from a neutral
bowl game. It was played in the Orange bowl which is Miami's home field all
year. The song "Hurricane Warning" was played over the PA throught the game.
Orange bowl officials (not game officials) wearing orange coats were seen
celebrating beyond the end-zone when Irving Fryar dropped a perfect pass in
the end-zone which hit him in the numbers. Then Miami coach Schnellengerger
has publicly stated he beleives that was an upset of major proportions.

A couple of small breaks the other way and NU would have 2 sets of Back-to-Back
MNC's. Instead we only have 1 Back-to-Back and some near misses.

Husker Henderson

    Lemmee tellya,
    I done witnessed one of them back to back NU champeenship teams
    when they trounced me Irish in the Jan 1 '73 Orange Bowl. 
    Johnny Rodgers, Rich Glover et all. Bob Devaney done built a
    juggernaut.
    
    I was impressed
    MikeL
    

I remember that game against Miami. Miami twice had 14 point leads and NU
came back both times to score 2 TD's. One TD NU scored was on a "fumble"that
a guard ran in. Magnificent game to watch. Wasn't that the NU team that
averaged 52 points a game and a margin of victory of 30+ points a game. I
know they were heavily favored over Miami. Miami was #5 in the polls before the
game but ended up #1. I think OU and some other team lost bowl games to allow
Miami to jump to #1.

fwiw very few bowl games are truly neutral. Miami in the Orange Bowl,
Alabama in the Sugar Bowl, Texas in the Cotton, the southern CA
schools in the Rose Bowl. All of these are not really neutral games.

Last "neutral" games for the MNC would have to be the Fiesta bowl games with 
#1 vs. #2. Happened at least once (Miami-PSU), but I think it happened twice.


1982: was that the year PSU beat Georgia and Herschel Walker in the Sugar Bowl?

The Crazy Met

which year was it that NU beat OU in the regular season and then ended up
losing to them in the Orange Bowl??

The Crazy Met

                    
> In 1982, the year Nebraska had Mike Rozier, Roger Craig, Irving Fryar,
> Turner Gill, and several offensive lineman who would be drafted, NU lost 1
> game. That loss came durring the season at Penn State. Yes NU won the Orange
> Bowl that year. NU had Penn State down in the final seconds when there were
> two very controversial calls on pass plays. One in the end-zone for the
> winning TD. I still say it was a trap. Now, if those calls went the other
> way then Penn State still MIGHT have won the game but we will never know.
> This loss cost Nebraska the MNC. Penn State went undefeated and got the MNC.
  
    Penn State did lose to Alabama that season.  The title would have been
    there for the taking for Nebraska after PSU knocked off undefeated
    Georgia in the Sugar, although they may have had a tougher opponent than 
    LSU in the Orange if it had meant something (Nebraska still barely won
    the game).  As for the PSU-NU game, I thought the TD was a good catch 
    but that the other play was out of bounds.  But as Marty suggests, the 
    outcome cannot be decisively concluded had either call gone the other
    way, as neither was a make-or-break 4th-down game-ender, and 
    there was some (but not much) time left on the clock.  The ironic thing
    about the TD catch was that it was made by a blocking TE named Kirk
    Bowman who had notoriously bad hands and who had never made a catch
    before and (I'm pretty sure) would never make one again.  And that was
    not an easy catch with the ball being so close to the ground...
    
    glenn
       

    what's the M in "M. National Championship"?

M for Mythical

The Crazy Met

Met, it was 1978.

I see that nobody is talking about it.    ;^)

Husker Henderson

It is for the whole ball of wax for CU. NU still has OU. 

Preparation and consistency are going a long way this year. At least Nebraska 
sees a rivalry starting to develop in the Big 8.  

  Sorry Marty, I've just been too busy lately to get into this notes file.
  Also, last weeks tie with the Wildcats kind of takes away some of the luster
  from the game on Saturday. 

  The Big 8 and the Orange bowl really want the PornHuksters to win this 
  weekend. It would be a nightmare if a team with 2 loses and a tie ends up
  in the Orange Bowl. But that could very easily happen. 

  Go Buffs, Stomp the Huksters.

	Keith

You know what would also be a nightmare? If NU wins all their games and has
to play FSU - the greatest team of the 90's thus far - in Florida. We would
get beat bad. Play them in Lincoln and we get beat by <14.

Go Huskers - Beat the Fluffalos, beat Oklahoma
Go Irish   - Beat FSU
Go Florida - Beat Alabama

This is not because I like ND and dislike FSU - it's actually the opposite.
It's just that I think NU can beat ND but not FSU.

It really would be a bummer for the Orange bowl if Colorado wins. They would
not draw even a top-5 team to play Colorado.

As I have said on the Internet (rec.sport.football.college) - no predictions
on this one.

May the best team that day win only if it's my team.  ;^)

Go Huskers!

Marty

 the Buffs by 7 atleast....

    A little preview from IM
    
    Huskers ROLL over pathetic Buff defense.  Parade in January!!!
    
    Jimbo

  Well everybody saw the Sooner Scooner fall over when the Buffs went to 
  Norman. But it will be even worse when the guys in pink, oh, I mean red,
  visit Folsom field.

  While Ralphie is running around the stadium before the kickoff, he takes 
  a dump in front of the PornHukster bench. Tom Osborne slips and falls in it.
  Suddenly, Dr Tom's jacket is no longer red(or pink). However, after the 
  kickoff, things get really bad for the Huksters.

	Keith 

Seems Saturday might see a high in the 30's with a ocassional snow shower. 

Running game might prevail. 


Jeff

Hey Keith, it's the Colorado team and fans who end up "pink" in the face 
because of juvenile thinking like that. You are way too overconfident of
a Colorado victory.

I know you are just kidding with your little fantasy in .-1 but don't you
listen to your own coach who has asked the Colorado fans and press to cool
it with the Nebraska slams? He wants a good clean rivalry. Don't you? Us
NU fans are willing to carry a good/clean/respectfull rivalry. Why don't you
get with the times? Even KOA has refrained from the smears this week for the
most part. Old habits die hard.

Marty

Oops. Sorry Jeff. I was not trying to refer to your node by specifying .-1.
You got your note in a little ahead of mine. I was refering to .289.

Yea I saw the weather report also. If that forcast holds up then the only
external factor possible (besides fan noise) could be wind.

This brings up a question: Will the refs charge a timeout to CU if the fans
are too loud? This happened to Nebraska in the KSU game. Frankly I think the
rule stinks but if it's enforced at Penn State and Nebraska why shouldent
it be enforced in Boulder?

It will be interesting to see what the refs do. I'm sure the crowd will be
loud enough. Don't be supprised to see Frazier turn to the refs like May (the
KSU QB) did in Lincoln. Will they call it or not?

Husker Henderson

 Colorado's a lock. IM already said Huskers easy, that's good enough for
 me....

 mike

  Ah come on Marty, a few Nebraska jokes, a little yellin and screaming
  for your team isn't quite the same as poorin beer on some fans or spittin 
  on the players. And for your information, this is what some of your 
  honorable Husker fans did last year(I'm sure that people who acted like that
  were in a small minority). I don't like to see things like that no matter 
  who does it. I'm sure it's happened in both stadiums and I hope it stops. 

  FYI, people have been caling up KOA with Nebraska jokes all week. I don't
  see anything wrong with that. I'm sure there's a few Colorado jokes floatin
  around Lincoln also. Who cares ? And it's not the same as saying things 
  like "All Colorado Fans are jerks" like you have been know to say every 
  year since 1989.
  
>This brings up a question: Will the refs charge a timeout to CU if the fans
>are too loud? This happened to Nebraska in the KSU game. Frankly I think the
>rule stinks but if it's enforced at Penn State and Nebraska why shouldent
>it be enforced in Boulder?

>It will be interesting to see what the refs do. I'm sure the crowd will be
>loud enough. Don't be supprised to see Frazier turn to the refs like May (the
>KSU QB) did in Lincoln. Will they call it or not?

  Coach Mac said that last year's game in Lincoln had the loudest crowd
  of any game he has ever attended. The refs never called a penalty. I wonder
  if they'll rule the same this year. Also, there was number of oranges 
  thrown on the stadium floor during last years game. The same has happened in
  Folsom field and Owens field in Norman. I don't like that kind of behavior 
  either. People like that should be have their tickets re-voked and
  thrown out of the stadium. If it's widespread, a penalty is in order.

	Keith 

Keith, please let me clarify what I mean about the fan thing.

>  Ah come on Marty, a few Nebraska jokes, a little yellin and screaming
>  for your team isn't quite the same as poorin beer on some fans or spittin 
>  on the players. And for your information, this is what some of your 
>  honorable Husker fans did last year(I'm sure that people who acted like that
>  were in a small minority). I don't like to see things like that no matter 
>  who does it. I'm sure it's happened in both stadiums and I hope it stops. 

>  FYI, people have been caling up KOA with Nebraska jokes all week. I don't
>  see anything wrong with that. I'm sure there's a few Colorado jokes floatin
>  around Lincoln also. Who cares ? And it's not the same as saying things 
>  like "All Colorado Fans are jerks" like you have been know to say every 
>  year since 1989.

This garbage happens in both places. I do not deny that. If I did in the
past then tuff. People change and grow (some of them) and I admit it now.
The NU fans were more obnoxious than normal at last years NU/CU game. But
they were more obnoxious than normal last year because of what happened the
year before. You see the endless circle there? I beleive that is what
McCarney is trying to break but I also beleive many (not "every") CU fans
will not obey his wishes. Certainly many (again for your benefit Keith - not
all) members of the Denver press are not abiding by McCartneys plea. Old
bad habits die hard.

Hey, I don't care about a few jokes being told to have a little fun. We used
to do it durring Oklahoma week. But the stuff that goes on over KOA's huge
transmitter are largly bitter, demeaning, cheap shots. Dave Logan just hides
it under the umbrella of "a little harmless fun" and laughs when a caller
throws a classless low blow.

Go ahead tell jokes and have a little harmless fun bet don't demean people
just because they grow corn. This would be great if that is all KOA did. But
KOA is the king of the cheap shot.

I challenge you to go into the archives and find one instance where I said
"All Colorado Fans are jerks". I use the word "many" or "most" in that context.
Not "all".

It seems to me a story about Osborne wallowing in Buffalo s#it is demeaning.
It's more than just a little joke about Memorial staduim having artificial turf
so the NU cheerleaders won't graze - now that is a harless joke. Are you
going to be one of those fans who continues to undermine the wishes of his
own teams coach? If so then you have no class and you don't really care what
McCartney says because you just WANT to HATE Nebraska and don't care what kind
of classless jerk you make yourself look like.

By the way. Snow in Colorado last night. It should not melt by gametime.
EXPECT snowballs to fly around the NU team DURRING PLAYS or while Frazier
is calling signals.

Let me also say I disagree with throwing oranges onto the field as well. I
can say that I have NEVER seen one hit the field durring a play or while
a team was calling signals. And I'm talking about either Oklahoma or Nebraska.
CU does not have enough experience with the Orange Bowl race over the years
to be included in the data.   ;^)   Only at Folsom has anyone seen any
foreign object hit the field while the QB is calling signals - at least withing
the confines of the Big-8.

Go ahead and listen to the Nebraska call in show on AM 880 or AM 1110
weeknights from 5 to 7 Mountain time. You will  not hear one joke or cheap
shot. Listen to it, I encourage you. Dave Logan does not know what he is
talking about when  he says - and I quote - "the same thing happens on their
show".

>>This brings up a question: Will the refs charge a timeout to CU if the fans
>>are too loud? This happened to Nebraska in the KSU game. Frankly I think the
>>rule stinks but if it's enforced at Penn State and Nebraska why shouldent
>>it be enforced in Boulder?

>>It will be interesting to see what the refs do. I'm sure the crowd will be
>>loud enough. Don't be supprised to see Frazier turn to the refs like May (the
>>KSU QB) did in Lincoln. Will they call it or not?

>  Coach Mac said that last year's game in Lincoln had the loudest crowd
>  of any game he has ever attended. The refs never called a penalty. I wonder
>  if they'll rule the same this year. Also, there was number of oranges 
>  thrown on the stadium floor during last years game. The same has happened in
>  Folsom field and Owens field in Norman. I don't like that kind of behavior 
>  either. People like that should be have their tickets re-voked and
>  thrown out of the stadium. If it's widespread, a penalty is in order.

>	Keith 

I'm aware of McCartneys statements about how loud NU's crowd was last year
and I'm proud of it. For many years NU had a quiet crowd. Now they realize
they have a team which is truely a potential national contender and they
have risen to the ocasion. Well done Sea of Red!!!

I stated in a previous note I think the rule is stupid. Penn State and NU
should not have been penalized in my opinion. But is it fair to let it go
in one stadium while you don't in another? You make the call. Obviously it 
would help my team if they did call in in Boulder so - as a Nebraska fan -
I would love to see it called. I have no idea if the refs will try to enforce
this rule Saturday. 

All I can say is - Go Huskers

Husker Henderson

    
    	Well, I don't know if we could find a note of yours that sez
    	"All CU fans are jerks".  However, I'd bet big money I could
    	find a note of yours that says, "All CU fans eat $hit!".
    
    Claybone

How much do ya wanna bet Claybone?

    
    Stop, it, Marty, you're killing me!  "Don't demean people just because
    they grow corn"?  That's a classic!
    
    glenn
    

    
    	Well, if we're trying to be exact, I *think* the exact
    	quote was, "CU Fans eat you know what".  Now, if "you
    	know what" meant peanut butter and jelly sandwiches,
    	then I'll retract my statement.  I think we all know
    	better.
    
    	Betting is not allowed in here.  Come see me and we can
    	work something out.
    
    Claybone

re: .299

Well Claybone. As I said in note 22.295 some people grow and change. If I did
say that in a previous post then you have my personal apology. Lets just say
I have learned to mellow out some since those early days.  ;^)

re: .298

You only serve to strengthen the foundation of note 22.295.

I quote myself from that very note:

  "Are you going to be one of those fans who continues to undermine the
   wishes of his own teams coach? If so then you have no class and you
   don't really care what McCartney says because you just WANT to HATE
   Nebraska and don't care what kind of classless jerk you make yourself
   look like."

As you folks have told me in the past: Grow Up


Husker Henderson

  It must be the day before the Colorado/Nebraska non-rivalry game.
  Marty is really fired up.

	Keith
 

    
     Here's one I heard yesterday, cracks me up every time I think of it.
    
    
    Remember the little guitar,banjo gig in Deliverance with 
    the Ross Perot lookalike?
    
    Imagine that song playing, and the announcer asks you to pick the 
    correct answer from the following 3 choices:
    
        (music playing)
    
        ANNOUNCER:  O.K, what is the title to the song being played?
    
                  
    
    		a) The theme from Deliverance
    
        	b) Dueling Banjos
    
    		c) the Nebraska Wedding March!!!
    
    

In the backround you hear a tractor being started. 


What time is it ?


A. Planting season

B. Harvest Season

C. Senior Prom Night

Keith. You have answered the question by your avoidance of it. Here is
the question from node .295 again:


  "Are you going to be one of those fans who continues to undermine the
   wishes of his own teams coach? If so then you have no class and you
   don't really care what McCartney says because you just WANT to HATE
   Nebraska and don't care what kind of classless jerk you make yourself
   look like."

    
    	Is that some kind of commandment from the mountains?
    
    	All hail Moses Marty! :*)
    
    	Seriously, I don't need Coach Mac to tell me how to conduct
    	myself.  Do you Nebraskans do what Dr. Tom tells you?  Do
    	you NEED Dr. Tom to tell you?
    
    Claybone

One thing is for sure: despite all the rhetoric no one - including myself -
seems willing to throw out a prediction. Looks like both sides are a little
unsure of themselves?

Husker Henderson

Clay Dude, don't ask me. Coach Mac is the one who "put out the commandment".

It's obvious that Mac is going to have a VERY difficult time stopping the
snowball which HE started rolling downhill.

    
    	Coach Mac said that we're all classless jerks if we don't
    	stop making Nebraska jokes?  Guess I'll just stay a classless
    	jerk.
    
    	Prediction?  I predict it's gonna be cold!  Oh, and that CU
    	will win by 14.  Then, CU will proceed to lose to one of the
    	little 5 and still not go to the Orange Bowl.
    
    Claybone

>    	Coach Mac said that we're all classless jerks if we don't
>    	stop making Nebraska jokes?  Guess I'll just stay a classless
>    	jerk.

Whoa K Fine.

    
>    	Prediction?  I predict it's gonna be cold!  Oh, and that CU
>    	will win by 14.  Then, CU will proceed to lose to one of the
>    	little 5 and still not go to the Orange Bowl.
    
>    Claybone

So who are the teams among the "little 5" still on Colorados schedule? 
At least one member of the "little 5" can't be too bad. They tied Colorado.

Husker Henderson

  Hey Marty, I already gave my prediction in .298 and you didn't like it.
  I don't think it was outta line anymore than numerous replies you see in
  the Steeler's or Brown's or many other notes in this conference. 
  
  No, I'm not gonna quit tellin Nebraska jokes either. But, when I'm at the
  game tomorrow, I won't do anything to make the Nebraska fans think that 
  they're not welcome in Boulder. I hope they enjoy their visit. I just hope
  it's a good game with fair officiating and I hope the Buffs win.
  
  I'll tell ya what Marty. If you really want a kinder and gentler non-rivalry,
  I'll promise never to call the guys in red any silly names and I'll never
  say anything nasty about Tom Osborne again. However, you've got to promise
  never to say anything like "All CU fans are jerks" or "all CU fans eat S&^T"
  like you did last year after winning. And you've got to promise to quit 
  complaining about controversial calls made 5 years ago. Do we have a deal ?

	Keith

                
    Keep thrashin' that strawmain (cornmain?) Marty!  Every year we can
    tell what time a year it is just by the controversy you manage to 
    invent before the Big Game.  Wouldn't have it any other way, though!
    
    Is it okay for an Oklahoma fan to disobey Coach Mac's wishes?  'Cuz 
    I really do feel that whenever possible it's my duty to live my life
    exactly the opposite of how that self-righteous right-wing religious 
    zealot says anyway...
    
    glenn
    

    
    	I made my prediction.  Where's yours?
    	
    	What bat-time and what bat-channel is the game on?
    
    Claybone

Locally it's the second ABC game KRDO TV13


Bat time: 1:30~ 

I appreciate the University of Nebraska player coaches and the fine football 
program. Seems just like last year the Nebraska team was rolling into Boulder 
against a team they didn't even regard as a challenging foe in the Big 8 none
the less a RIVAL.

Jeff

    OU upset bu KSU
    
    NU beats Colorado
    
    The Crazy Met
    

  2 weeks ago, KSU almost beat Nebraska in Lincoln. A week ago, they tied
  Colorado in Manhatten. This week, they beat the Sooners in Manhatten.
  One of their defensive backs(Jaime Mendez) may be the 1st DB to be picked 
  in the NFL draft. Another one of their DB's is a sure early round draft pick.
  I heard Beano Cook talkin today about how the coach at Ohio State should
  be named coach of the year. Well, if the Ohio State coach is coach of the
  year, Bill Snyder of KSU should be coach of the decade.

  Yep, dem pesky guys in red ended up with 4 more points that the Black and 
  Gold. The Buffs had a TD called back for illegal procedure and had to
  settle fer a field goal. That ended up being the margin of victory. CU spotted
  the guys in red 21 points in the firsted quarter and then proceeded to 
  completly shut down the red offense fer the rest of the game. Calvin Jones
  ended up with somethin like 30 yards in 12 carries. CU had numerous
  chances on offense but Kordell Stewart had easily the worst day of his 
  career. I've been a big Kordell fan the last few years. At times he has
  been brilliant and he has great talents. But he stunk up Folsom field
  yesterday. There were numerous times when he wasn't under any pressure
  and had guys wide open only to consistently miss his receivers by a wide
  margin. I can see stickin with a guy who is havin a hard time fer the 
  firsted half but when he comes out in the 2nd half and plays even worse,
  he should have been yanked. The backup, Vance Joseph, is a good QB and
  has proven himself under pressure before. Mac should have put him in the 
  game. If he had, I think the Black n Gold woulda come out on top.
  Of course, if a frog had wings, he wouln't bump his ass.

	Keith

    	Didn't CU get a touchdown that they shouldn't have gotten? I didn't
    see the game, but ESPN folks were saying some Buff back fumbled before
    crossing the goal line but was given the TD anyway. Or was it a moot
    point since another CU player recovered it in the end zone?

    
    	Yup.  Rashaan Salaam appeared to have fumbled at about the 1 after
    	a long run.  The ref must have blown it dead with the whistle cuz
    	nobody really tried to get the ball as it just sat there in the
    	end zone.  He then signalled touchdown.
    
    	There was a controversial NU TD as well so I guess it evened out.
    
    	I didn't catch the whole game (watched about 1 quarter's worth).
    	Did Berger miss any field goals?  I thought I heard an announcer
    	say that he missed 2.  
    
    	Does anybody besides me feel Salaam oughta be in there the whole
    	game?  I felt he should have been starting all of last year too.
    	Warren is good but Salaam is much better IMO.
    
    	Kordell has been stinking it up all year.  He has a very strong
    	arm but no accuracy.  
    
    	Where's Darian Hagan when you need him.......
    
    Claybone

>    	Did Berger miss any field goals?  I thought I heard an announcer
>    	say that he missed 2.  

    He missed 1 at our end of the stadium. It was a wasn't a long tough 
    field goal attempt either. I though it was good from my vantage point
    but the people with the best view weren't booing so I quess it was a good
    call. He might have missed another at the other end of the stadium also.
    
>    	Does anybody besides me feel Salaam oughta be in there the whole
>    	game?  I felt he should have been starting all of last year too.
>    	Warren is good but Salaam is much better IMO.
    
    Salaam had 165 yards rushing and over 200 total yards. That was twice
    the combined yardage of Jones and Phillips who are the 2 best on that
    red team. Salaam was injured most of last year. That's why he didn't
    see much playing time. I think it's a close call between Warren and
    Salaam. Salaam had a good day on Saturday but Warren had something like
    185 yards against that other red team in Norman. Warren is slightly faster
    and may be a better receiver. But Salaam definately has better power
    and always seems to gain 2 or 3 yards after he's been hit. The Buffs are
    fortunate to have 2 backs with that much talent. When one gets injured
    or needs a rest, they don't lose much, if anything, when the other comes in.
    If I had to pick one over the other, I think that Salaam has more 
    overall talent.

>   Where's Darian Hagan when you need him.......
    
    Ya know, Hagan used to have a few bad days too. But whenever he was on 
    the field, you always had that feeling that something magic could always
    happen. I didn't have that feeling on Saturday with Stewart. Also, Hagan
    was great in the 2 minute drill. But Stewart always come to the line of
    scrimmage acting like there's 20 minutes left in the game instead of 2.
    And that brings us back to Vance Joseph. He has some Hagan like magic
    and he has brought the team back in the 4th quarter in critical games
    before. But Mac just left him sittin on the bench when Stewart was having
    the worst day of his carreer.

		Keith

    Congrats to CU on another gutsy comeback. They seem to always do that.
    It shows character.
    
    I think Salaam should be the starting back. From what I can see he is
    better than What's his name.
    
    You talk about Hagan. How you just knew that something special was
    going to happen when he was in the lineup. Oklahoma's Holliway was the
    same way and so is Tommie Frazier. I think these 3 were cut from the
    same mold. They are mentally tuff and that is what separates them from
    the Kordell Stewarts of the world.
    
    It was mentioned in an earlier post that "CU shut down NU" after the
    1st quarter. They did but that is only half the story... 
    
    Remember how teams used to stack the line and completely ignore the
    pass vs Nebraska because of NU's lousy passing game? Just take a look
    at the first half NU passing stats vs the second half passing stats.
    The difference is like night and day. What others have failed to
    mention in previous notes is that frazier went down on the second play
    of the 3rd quarter with a shoulder injury. Yes, it was the passing
    shoulder. The backup Berringer stunk up on his 3 passes. When Frazier
    couragously came out of the locker room TWICE to play he was unable to
    throw accurately because of the pain. He was diagnosed with a severe
    shoulder sprain/bruise. 
    
    Hey, in the first half Frazier and the "itty bitty committee" burned
    CU big time. They had more yards passing than rushing. In the second
    half NU's passing game was taken out because of Fraziers shoulder and
    now CU could stack up aganst the run. With a healthy "Smokin" Tommy
    Frazier in Saturdays second half it ends up something like 35 - 17.
    Or at least 28 - 17 and no dramtics.
    
    Now NU's offense had a 2nd problem in that second half - Did you not
    wonder why Calvin Jones sat most of the second half? ABC did a lousy
    job because they did not even check out why he was not playing. Jones
    was having leg cramps which would not go away. The trainers were giving
    him fruit juice to stop the cramps. This gave him stomach problems. Now
    he has the s#its to go with his cramps. Hey folks, you don't just
    replace a Calvin Jones and Tommie Frazier without falling back in
    quality.
    
    Now there was a 3rd problem - offensive line injurys. For much of the
    second half Nebraska had 3 subs playing on the O line due to injuries.
    Add to this the passing problems and you have a sputtering offense.
    
    I want to make one note here. The Sunday Denver post did not mention
    even one word about Fraziers and Jones problems. Not one word. This is
    not objective and unbiased reporting. Nuf said.
    
    Frazier and Alberts are special players. They have extreme mental
    toughness to go with their physical abilities. And this, in a nutshell
    is the difference between NU and CU this year.
    
    The Nebraska motto is "We REFUSE to Loose." Last years Iowa State game
    was a real life lesson to the Huskers. Look for them to be 11 - 0 in
    the Orange Bowl. Who their opponent is just depends on who is ranked #1
    after the Thanksgiving weekend.
    
    Go Big Red "We RESUSE to Loose"
    
    Husker Henderson
    

Halloween is a day filled with images of glowing orange smiles, but for
the smiling officials from the Orange Bowl present in Boulder on Saturday 
the day before Halloween was the day for treats, not tricks.  

Orange Bowl representative Ed Williamson presented Tom Osborne with an Orange
Bowl pin after the game, saying '"You're going to have to sleep with this for
the next four weeks."  

Osborne promised to do his best to arrive in Miami undefeated, and thinks his
team has a shot at the national championship that eluded his grasp in Miami
10 long years ago.  "We have a chance for sure.  This is a better team than
we've had for a while.  I think we're closer than we've been recently.  It
just isn't always a matter of perfection."

Those words described the NU-CU game adequately, as well.  Corey Dixon's
68 yard punt return to the CU 4 set up Nebraska's first score by Calvin
Jones, but a fumble by Jones on NU's next possession resulted in a 24 yard
field goal, but only after the Buff's had a TD called back on a motion
penalty.  Two other first quarter NU scores, on drives of 66 and 77 yards
had Nebraska and Colorado fans both mindful of last year's drubbing in Lincoln.

But it was not to be, as the Nebraska offense took the rest of the afternoon
off.  Calvin Jones was suffering from leg cramps, and the fruit juices he
was drinking to help restore fluids apparently were bothering his stomach.
Trainer George Sullivan said that several players apparently weren't drinking
enough fluids, probably because of the cool Boulder weather.

Early in the 3rd quarter, a takedown more commonly seen in a rodeo than a 
football game put Tommie Frazier's right shoulder in between his tackler and 
the ball, and for a while it was feared that he had dislocated or separated 
it.  On TV it looked like Tommie's arm was lifeless, and two trips to the 
training room brought some relief, as Tommie returned to the game twice in 
an attempt to bring life back to the sputtering Cornhusker attack.  

The final diagnosis after two x-rays was that Tommie had suffered a shoulder 
sprain (to the AC joint), and then re-irritated it on one of his return trips 
to the field.  The Mutual broadcasting crew tabbed Tommie's two returns to 
the field as the stuff that legends are made of.  His status for the Kansas 
game is uncertain at this point.  (Also uncertain are OG Rob Zatechka who left
the game with an ankle sprain, and I-back Lawrence Phillips, who played on
despite a hip pointer.)

However, if legends were made in Boulder, it was the Blackshirts that rose
to the task.  With less than two minutes left in the game, and Colorado
poised to mount a come-from-behind drive, NU Defensive Coordinator Charlie
McBride told his troops, "Here we go.  We've got to win the game."  On
the second play of the drive, John Reece scooped up a Kordell Stewart pass 
before it hit the ground, and Tommie came back in for two more plays, but just
to kneel down with the ball and run out the clock on the Buffs.  

Stewart had his worst passing day, he hit three of his first 21 passes and
just eight of 28 overall.  When an announcement was made in the pressbox
that 62 fans had been ejected from the game for throwing snowballs, a Denver
columnist jibed, "and 61 of them had better arms than Stewart."  Stewart
was also intercepted three times in the second half.

Also having less than perfect days were the officials.  An apparent CU
interception in the first quarter was ruled an incomplete pass, and both
NU and CU scored questionable touchdowns, Jones appeared to be out of bounds
on his 2nd TD, and the TV replay clearly showed that Rashaan Salaam had lost
control of the ball before scoring on a 15 yard run.  The ABC commentators,
who showed little objectivity by rooting for Colorado most of the game, also
noted several questionable non-calls, mostly for late hits.  The Mutual
commentators faulted Colorado's time management during the second half,
and questioned their play call as well, especially the absence of the option
play, which was having more success than the passing game.

CU receiver Michael Westbrook was held without a reception for the first
time in his last 20 games.  The three interceptions racked up by NU were on
a CU passing game that yielded only two interceptions in its first seven games.
The 21 points scored by Nebraska in the first quarter were the most since 
Notre Dame went up 21-0 on CU back in '84.  Nebraska is now 28-0 in games
in October since a 20-10 loss to Colorado in '86.  Since declaring Nebraska
as Colorado's 'designated rival' 12 years ago, Bill Mallory is 3-8-1 against
the Cornhuskers.

Nebraska     21  0  0  0 --  21
Colorado      3  7  0  7 --  17

NU - Calvin Jones, 4 yard run (Bennett kick)
CU - Mitch Berger, 22 yard field goal
NU - Calvin Jones, 10 yard run (Bennett kick)
NU - Corey Dixon, 60 yard pass from Tommie Frazier (Bennett kick)
CU - Rashaan Salaam, 15 yard run (Berger kick)
CU - Rashaan Salaam, 1 yard run (Berger kick)

                   NU            CU
First downs        17            15
Rushes-yards   55-190        40-189
Passing yards     167           115
Total yards       357           304
Passing        7-20-1        8-28-3
Return yards      115            26
Punts          5-42.4        7-41.1
Fumbles-lost      1-1           1-0
Penalties-yards  3-14          7-47
Time of poss.   32:29         27:21
3rd down conv    8-19          5-15
4th down conv     1-1           0-0
Attendance:  52,277

Rushing-NU:  Frazier 15-69, Phillips 16-58, Jones 12-31, Schlesinger 10-30,
             Berringer 2-2
Rushing-CU:  Salaam 25-165, Warren 3-16, Hill 2-10, Stewart 10-(-2)
Passing-NU:  Frazier 17-7-167-1, Berringer 3-0-0-0
Passing-CU:  Stewart 28-8-115-3
Receiving-NU:  Muhammad 4-80, Dixon 1-60, Armstrong 1-26, Jones 1-1
Receiving-CU:  Johnson 4-65, Salaam 3-37, Fauria 1-13
Punting-NU:  Bennett 5-212 (42.4)
Punting-CU:  Berger 7-288 (41.4)
Punt Returns-NU:  Dixon 4-105, Moss 2-10
Punt Returns-CU:  Hudson 1-19, Johnson 1-7
Kickoff Returns-NU: Benning 2-54, Dixon 1-17
Kickoff Returns-CU:  Kidd 1-28, Salaam 1-13
Interception Returns-NU:  Miles 1-0, Reece 1-0, Stewart 1-0
Interception Returns-CU:  Collier 1-0


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Oops, the Colorado coach is Bill McCartney.  <sigh>

The 'other' NU-CU match on Saturday was in Lincoln, where the NU volleyball
team avenged their loss earlier this season in Boulder by mashing the Buffs
15-8, 15-8, 15-8 in front of a standing-room-only crowd of 4557 in the
NU Coliseum, the largest crowd ever.

The NU Regents may select a new President for the University of Nebraska
as early as next Saturday.  A selection committee is expected to name the
finalists this week.  No insiders will be among the finalists.  Former
UNL Chancellor and outgoing NU President Martin Massengale is expected to
be a finalist for the Presidency of Florida State University.


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(Administrative note:  If you didn't get yesterday's brief correction and 
notes, please let me know.  I'm not sure that one made it out to everybody, 
I didn't get it on GEnie, and don't know where it went awry.)

The general sentiment around the office today was that Saturday's game was
more of a nail-biter than anyone expected, even had Nebraska lost.  Also,
the non-interception call in the 1st quarter is pretty much a consensus bad
call, and by far not the only one.  Most of the people here also thought that
the TV announcers were RATHER biased, too.  (Keith Jackson would have been an
improvement--Latoya Jackson might have been an improvement!)

NU's relative standing in the polls remains unchanged:  4th in USAT/CNN, 
6th in AP, (and 4th in the 'consensus' merged poll), 4th in UPI.  We're 2nd 
in the New York Times computer ranking this week,  but I don't know where
we were last week on that one.  Sure would like to know why one USAT/CNN voter
switched a first place vote from Notre Dame to Ohio State, though.  This
puts me in the unusual position of wanting to cheer FOR Notre Dame in two
weeks, I sure don't want to have to play ANOTHER Florida school in the 
Orange Bowl.  Would be nice if UCLA capped their season by whomping the
Buckeyes, too.  Aren't you all glad we don't have to play them again?

OU coach Gibbs may not have a job if he doesn't beat Nebraska!  (On the other
hand, if K-State doesn't give their coach a big raise and contract extension,
somebody is gonna snatch him away!)

World-Herald columnist Tom Shatel thinks that the team's motto 'We Refuse to
Lose' should be replaced with the one that was on Calvin Jone's T-shirt
Saturday night:  'Absolutely positively, most definitely, without a doubt,
NO FEAR...not even a little bit."   Tom also quotes Joe Paterno:  'Osborne
will get his national title when he least expects it.'  Tom also points out
that if Alabama remains undefeated and finishes ahead of NU in the polls
(although they are currently 5th in the consensus poll which the bowl 
coalition will use), they would likely get the ND-FSU winner, leaving us 
with....hold on to your hats:  Miami!!  (And Tom says that this bunch can 
handle it.)

According to Osborne, the injury to Frazier's shoulder is painful but not
serious, and was classified as a strain by the trainers.  Tom was disappointed
that his team didn't get at least another 10 points against CU, which would
have made the outcome a lot less suspensful.  Osborne is taking pains to
remind his team of last year's embarassment at Ames, somehow I think the
message will 'take'.  Tom worries that the crowd mob scene at Wisconsin
could happen in Lincoln, and recalls when Barry Switzer was engulfed by
a mob after an OU game a few years back.

Other injuries reportd:  Free safety Troy Dumas suffered a badly sprained
ankle when he slipped on the sidewalk while getting groceries last Thursday.
He was replaced by Eric Stokes for the CU trip.  Zatechka has a sprained
ankle, Mehlin has a strained knee and ankle, Jones had leg cramps, backup
strongside LB Lorenzo Brinkley has a sprained foot, Lawrence Phillips
has bruised ribs (apparently not a hip pointer as reported on Sunday), and
Stokes has bruised ribs too.  Zatechka and Brinkley are questionable
this week, the rest are all probable, although Tommie's status is still
"We'll see later on this week."

NU is now 2nd in scoring offense, with 41.3 points to FSU's 43.8.  They
are also 3rd in rushing and 7th in net punting.  Calvin Jones now
qualifies for the rankings and is tied for 4th in scoring with 10 points
per game.


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      Kordell Stewart is why CU lost to NU.  I agree with Claybone,  he
    shoulda been pulled.
    
      Tim

re: -1

Why do you think he was so off? Don't you think there was some reason
outside of the kid himself for it? Perhaps pressure from Trev Alberts 
and Donte Jones?????

The kid had been sacked only 3 times all year going into the Nebraska
game - the Huskers sacked him 4 times and hurried him countless other
times. Even Dave Logan of KOA gives the NU D line credit for hurrying
Stewart and the NU backfield credit for good coverage. 

This is the fastest defense in the history of Nebraska football. There 
are only 2 guys on the starting D who weigh over 240 lbs. The new Husker
D scheme this year is designed to take advantage of that speed and primarily
put pressure on the QB. The tradeoff is against the run. It makes you softer
against the run but helps the pass defense.

I personally think that the CU offense was not used to that kind of speed.
They had problems with it all day.

Armchair QB's ALWAYS make the right call. It's a different view while
the game it going on.

    
    	I'll take your word for it that he was pressured.  I only
    	caught the last 5 minutes of the 2cd quarter and the last
    	8 minutes of the 4th.
    
    	The little bit I saw, he was not pressured.  He had time and
    	missed wide open receivers.  Kordell disappeared for this game.
    	What did he complete, 30% of his passes?
    
    Claybone

Well Clay dude I hate to say it but not seeing the whole game undermines
your conclusions.

Henderson

> Well Clay dude I hate to say it but not seeing the whole game undermines
> your conclusions.

since when has that made any difference?? :-)

The Crazy Met

    
    	Yeah, well a good QB should suck it up and not LET it
    	bother him so that on the plays he does have time he
    	puts the ball where it's supposed to be.
    
    TCM,
    
    	Nya shaddap!
    
    Claybone

Yea I'll "shaddup" now because in .328 you finally said someting right!

Husker Henderson

    
    What was the final score last night in the Texas vs Houston game??
    
    anyone??   
    
    

      I agree with Claybone.  I watched most of the game,  and there were
    numerous times Stewart had guys wide open,  and he threw thr bal at
    their feet or behind them.  Yes at times he was presured,  but alot of
    times he stepped up or rolled out to just throw it away from an open
    guy.
    
      NU D did play a good game in pass rush,  but not every play.
    
      Stewart was something like 9 - 24 with 3 ints...Does that sound about
    right?
    
      Tim

>      Stewart was something like 9 - 24 with 3 ints...Does that sound about
>    right?
    
  You were too generous. He wus 8-28.

  On Saturday, I tuned into the Colorado/OSU game. But, what I really saw 
  was the Charles Johnson show. He had 2 circus catches which both went fer
  long TD's. He also has a long punt return, a long run on a reverse play and
  after an OSU player made an interception, he stole the ball right out of 
  the guy's arms. This guy is a human highlight film. Too bad he won't be 
  around next year. 

  Meanwhile, the Jayhawks scored a TD with something like 50 seconds to play
  in their game against those guys in red. They couldda tied the game by
  kickin the extra point but Glenn Mason had his guys go fer the win and
  it ended up with an incompleted pass in the endzone.

  KSU suffered a setback in a close loss to ISU. So Colorado is now in 2nd
  place in the Big 8 standings.

	Keith

I agree, Stewart was not pressured on every pass. I contend that Stewarts
problem was in his head. He received much more pressure from NU than from
any other team this year and I think it got in his head.  Even when the CU
line did give him good protection Stewart was hearing footsteps in his head...

Huskers dodge one Saturday. Boy oh boy. To us Husker fans it's poetic
justice. As you may recall we lost an MNC in '83 on a missed 2 point
play. To get some luck and win one the other way for once is nice.

Kansas came in with the same game plan Iowa State used last year. - keep
the ball on the ground, use the clock, keep the NU offense off the field.
Plus Fraziers shoulder is still bad. The 2nd team QB played part of the
game. By the way, Berringer (2nd team qb) is not the 2nd best QB on the
Husker squad. A guy named Ruits (ROOTS) is very close to Tommie Frazier
in talent. He blew his knee out in spring practice. He CAN play but is not
100%. They want to save him until he is 100%.

Speaking of ISU, look for a big blowout this Saturday in Lincoln. Last year
has not been forgotten. Huskers need a blowout for the polls.

Husker Henderson

Article 55433 of rec.sport.football.college:

	conf	overall
NU	5-0	9-0
CU	3-1-1	5-3-1
OU	3-2	7-2
KSU	2-2-1	6-2-1
KU	2-3	4-6
MU	2-3	3-5-1
ISU	2-3	3-6
OSU	0-5	3-6

Results:
11-06			prediction		result
CU @ OSU		24-9  CU		31-14 CU
KSU @ ISU		24-14 KSU		27-23 ISU
NU @ KU			38-13 NU		21-20 NU
OU @ MU			30-17 OU		42-23 OU


Predictions:  I'm 41-11-1 overall

Summaries:
******************************************
CYCLONES STUN CATS, 27-23

Dang, I hate writing this one.  I was at this chilly game, 25degrees
with a north wind[the guy that went streaking in the 4th Q must have
been plenty drunk].  I've never seen the Cats more flat and unemotional
this year.  Some players thought that there was no way ISU could beat
them (sound familar to Cat fans from the UtahSt game?).  But, you
gotta credit ISU.  KSU players and coaches said that ISU just outplayed
them and made better adjustments(some KSU players think that KSU wasn't
emotionally in the game).  ISU shutdown KSU's running game(51yds), and 
May couldn't hit the broadside of a barn.  ISU's offense was chewing up
huge chunks of yards, running a good run/pass option option.  KSU's
kicking game sucked too.  KSU got some fortunate calls(intentional
roughing and a fumble), both were bad calls.  ISU's Utter wasn't moving
the Cyclones too well.  Enters Doxzon in the 4th, and gets ISU into
the endzone for 21 4th Q pts.  KSU scored with about a minute left
to cut the score to 27-23, failed on the 2pt conversion and ISU
recovered the onside kick.

KSU	0	7	10	6	-23
ISU	3	3	0	21	-27

ISU- 30FG Stewart
ISU-43FG Stewart
KSU-Smith 1run(Wright kick)
KSU-40FG Wright
KSU-May 3run(Wright kick)
ISU-Doxzon 2run(failed 2pter)
ISU-McMillion 1run(Doxzon run)
ISU-Guggenheim 1run(Stewart kick)
KSU-Smith 54pass from May(failed 2pter)

		KSU	ISU
First downs     13	19
Rushes-yards    30-51	55-222
Passing yards   197	137
Return yards    17	38
Passes          13-30-0	8-14-2
Punts           7-40	4-45
Fumbles lost    0-0	3-2
Penalties-yards 6-46	8-78
Time of poss    24:34	35:26
Att-31,441

Rushing KSU Smith 22-75, Schiller 4-2, May 4-(-26)
	ISU Branch 8-65, Ulrich 9-55, Knott 5-46
Passing KSU May 13-30-0-197
	ISU Utter 7-13-2-132 Doxzon 1-1-0-5
Receive KSU Lockett 5-39, Running 4-30, Smith 2-78
	ISU Branch 3-58, Hughes 2-40, Hill 1-30

******************************************
NEBRASKA SURVIVES JAYHAWK SCARE, 21-20

10 years ago Tom Osborne's 'Scoring Explosion' was denied a (mythical)
national championship when Turner Gill's two point conversion pass in the
waning seconds of the Orange Bowl fell short.  KU Coach Glen Mason is
apparently cast in the Osborne mold, because when his Jayhawks scored with
less than a minute to go in the game, to bring the score to 21-20, he didn't
even think about kicking the easy extra point.  (Which would have been a
pretty sure bet, since All Big Eight kicker Dan Eichloff's career record
is 110 out of 113 on extra points for KU.)  Asked when he decided to go
for the win, Mason replied, "When I first took this job and saw what a
lopsided series this was."

The defense, which had seemed in total disarray during KU's final drive,
nearly messed up the finish, too.  "We panicked," said safety John Reece.
"We were in deep trouble and we weren't even lined up right.  We had backs
in the wrong position, and we had two guys blitzing from the wrong side."

NU was expecting a run, not surprising since the Jayhawks' running game
had been more successful than their passing attack all afternoon.  But
Mason crossed up the Huskers, Kevin Ramaekers was able to hurry Asheiki
Preston's pass to Ashaundai Smith, and Ernie Beler was in good enough
position to keep the pass from reaching the receiver, cementing the win.

Where this leaves the Huskers' shot at playing for the title isn't clear.
Miami is apparently leaping over Nebraska in the polls, which all seem to
be:  1.  Florida State, 2.  Notre Dame, 3.  Miami,  4.  Nebraska.
This means that the winner of next week's FSU-ND game may get Miami,
probably in the Fiesta Bowl.  (I don't think it has a tie to any conferences
yet.)  However, since Miami has already lost to FSU, and the Seminoles are
reportedly not exactly eager for a rematch, FSU might still opt for a 'home'
game in the Orange Bowl against NU.

The game was one of the shortest of the year, taking about 2 1/2 hours
from start to finish.  This game also marked the 1000'th football game for
Nebraska.  Nebraska now has 25 consecutive years with 9 or more wins.
(the next longest current streak is Michigan, with 18.)  The last time
NU went 9-0 was in 1987, and they lost the following week to Oklahoma.
The last time a Kansas-Nebraska game was this close was in Tom Osborne's
first year as head coach, when the final score was 10-9.  NU outside LB
Trev Alberts went without a sack for the first time this season, although
he did tackle QB Preston for a 1 yard loss on a running play.

Nebraska    7  7  0  7 -- 21
Kansas      7  0  7  6 -- 20

KU - Dewayne Chandler, 30 yard pass from Preston.  (Eichloff kick)
NU - Calvin Jones, 4 yard run.  (Bennett kick)
NU - Gerald Armstrong, 8 yard pass from Frazier. (Bennett kick)
KU - Preston, 5 yard run.  (Eichloff kick)
NU - Trumane Bell, 10 yard pass from Frazier.  (Bennett kick)
KU - Henley, 3 yard run.  (Pass failed.)

Attendance - 47,500
                         NU         KU
First downs              19         19
Rushes-yards         52-297     50-179
Passing yards            71        118
Passing              7-12-1    13-19-0
Return yards             -1         15
Punts                3-40.0     3-36.0
Fumbles-lost            1-0        0-0
Penalties-yards        3-39       3-19
Time of possession    29:41      30:19

Rushing-NU:  Jones 29-195, Frazier 9-35, Benning 4-26, Schleshinger 3-18
Rushing-KU:  Henley 37-148, Preston 7-16, Good 5-13, Ballard 1-2
Passing-NU:  Frazier 7-4-31-0, Berringer 5-3-40-1
Passing-KU:  Preston 19-13-118-0
Receiving-NU:  Armstrong 2-18, Dixon 1-16, Johnson 1-14, Muhammad 2-13
Receiving-KU:  Ballard 4-39, Chandler 1-30, Reed 2-24, Smith 3-18
******************************************
SOONERS QUICK START ALMOST FALTERS,  42-23 OU

From a Sooner fan:
	This is our second trip to Columbia and second time for less
than ideal weather. Two years ago it was 4 inches of snow on all the
seats. This year it snowed a little on Sat. morning but none of it
stuck. But the wind was howling and the chill factor was horrible.
My wife and I both were shivering by the 4th quarter.
	The game went horribly for Mizzou early on. They couldn't do
anything right. Turnovers and bad play by the Tigers gave OU the
chance for some short distance TDs. Before Mizzou could start to think
upset, they were down by 0-28. The weather was bad for it but both OU
and Mizzou seemed to have their pass offenses working pretty well. The
difference was that OU's pass defense stinks. The Sooners got very
little pressure on the QB and the secondary only did a fair job of
coverage. Perhaps this is more of a linebacking problem, but OU never
seemed to be able to cover the tight end releasing late into the flat.
The pass was there all day. This lax pass defense allowed MU to sneak
back into the game by scoring 23 unanswered points.
	Mizzou was smelling an upset in the 4th quarter down by only 5
points, but Gundy got his act together with a long pass to the
tightend Rickey Brady and some very good running by freshman James
Allen. The Sooners punched in a TD to go up, 35-23. MU got the kickoff
and seemed prepared to march back into the fight, but a Jeff Handy
pass was picked off by senior LB Mike Coats, who motored into the
endzone from about the MU 30. That made it OU 42, MU 23 and the Tigers
were done.
	One event that I haven't heard on the national media was a
bench clearing fight late in the game. Some punt coverage got over
zealous on a Sooners kick. A fight broke out in front of the Mizzou
bench. Both teams streamed onto the field. The refs., especially the
Referee, seemed pretty useless during the brawl. After order was
restored, the Ref gave his normal: dead-ball foul, personal foul on
each team, but NO ejections. This amazed me and then I got more
amazed. As soon as the announcement was made by the ref, Bob Stull
came storming onto the field yelling at the ref. The Referee went over
and got about 3 minutes of Stull explosion. The result was that OU
suddenly had an extra personal foul and was penalized 15 yards from
the dead ball spot. BUT still ZERO ejections. I think that all the big
conferences need to address the quality issue. Each seems to have one
or two crews that can be allowed onto TV. But the number 3 and higher
crews are just pitiful.

	Overall evals: 1. I think Stull is a goner. I can't see him
surviving another year.
	2. OU is still suffering from the probation years. They are
about three athletes short on offense and maybe as many as 5 short on
defense. A few quality players can't do it all. It will take a
superhuman effort to compete with NU.
	3. We need to get together and buy Glen Mason a good 2 point
play. The one KU ran looked horrible.
	4. Watson Brown has made things better, but OU is still not
settled into a decent offensive system. Instead of a good balanced
attack on Saturday, it looked more like a confused mess. Gundy
unfortunately has never reached his promise and it is sad for him.
	5. I wonder if Gary Gibbs should be a head coach. I could see
an improvement by making Watson Brown the head coach, but I don't
believe that can happen under an foreseeable scenario.

OU	21	7	0	14	-42
MU	0	10	6	7	-23

OU-Collier 2run(Blanton kick)
OU-Brady 13pass from Gundy(Blanton kick)
OU-Collier 3run(Blanton kick)
OU-Chandler 7run(Blanton kick)
MU-Jones 1run(Pooler kick)
MU-28FG Pooler
MU-Jones 8pass from Handy(Pass failed)
MU- Jadlot 5pass from Handy(Pooler kick)
OU-Chandler 3run(Blanton kick)
OU-Coats 26Int return(Blanton kick)

		OU	MU
First downs     22	21
Rushes-yards    45-229	38-92
Passing yards   137	249
Return yards    142	95
Passes          9-21-1	24-38-1
Punts           6-25	5-36
Fumbles lost    0-0	2-2
Penalties-yards 9-70	3-34
Time of poss    30:19	29:41
Att-31,438

Rushing OU-Moore 9-63, Allen 10-53, Chandler 6-40
	MU-Freeman 23-107, Murry 1-5, Smith 2-3
Passing OU-Gundy 9-21-1-137
	MU-Handy 24-38-1-249
Receive OU-Penny 4-71, Brady 2-45, Hall 1-11
	MU-Ofodile 10-88, Holly 6-61, Sallee 3-46

******************************************
BUFFS TOO MUCH FOR COWBOYS, 31-14 CU

CU played well versus OSU's high pressured defense that included
blitzing and 8-men fronts.  Stewart is now CU's career passing 
leader with 4,113yds passing by Steve Vogel w/3,912.

CU	0	17	7	7	-31
OSU	7	0	0	7	-14

OSU Jefferson 1run(Vaughn kick)
CU Stewart 17run(Berger kick)
CU-34FG Berger
CU Johnson 26pass from Stewart(Berger kick)
CU Johnson 54pass from Stewart(Berger kick)
CU Westbrook 72pass from Stewart(Berger kick)
OSU Thomas 25pass from Wilson(Vaughn kick)

		CU	OSU
First downs     18	13
Rushes-yards    42-120	40-140
Passing yards   328	139
Return yards    53	55
Passes          18-31-2	10-33-2
Punts           9-42	9-44
Fumbles lost    3-0	2-2
Penalties-yards 5-32	4-30
Time of poss    31:41	28:19
Att-30,200

Rushing CU- Salaam 18-57, Stewart 11-20, Warren 7-18
	OSU- D.Johnson 5-41, Thompson 15-39, Wilson 5-27
Passing CU- Stewart 18-30-2-328, Joseph 0-1-0-0
	OSU- Loveland 9-30-1-114, Wilson 1-3-1-25
Receive CU-Westbrook 6-132, Johnson 6-121, Salaam 3-22
	OSU-Thomas 4-63, Denson 2-28, Jones 2-17

******************************************

Upcoming Games:
11-13	KU @ CU
	ISU @ NU
	MU @ KSU
	OSU @ OU
11-20	CU @ ISU
	MU @ KU
	KSU @ OSU
11-26	OU @ NU			1:30pm	ABC
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From:	DECPA::"huskers@notes.tssi.com" "MAIL-11 Daemon"  9-NOV-1993 11:14:34.52
To:	huskers@tower.tssi.com
CC:	
Subj:	Husker Notes, November 9th

According to the Omaha World-Herald, the 'coalition' poll is the sum of
the points from both the CNN/USAT and the AP polls.  Based on that, the
Huskers are in 4th place.  Point totals:

FSU:       3098
ND:        2956
Miami      2747
NU         2703

As several people have pointed out, apparently the teams 'bound' by the
bowl coalition have no way to opt out of a rematch if it is between the
#1 and #2 teams.  (Which means that we could see either a FSU-Miami rematch
or a FSU-Notre Dame rematch.)

The crazy rumor of the day is that Wisconsin coach Barry Alvarez has his
eye on the Nebraska head coaching job.  Alvarez was a walk-on at NU from 65-67.
(I wonder how Osborne and company feel about that?)

Danny Nee says that he is going to have a team that runs more than last
year, and hopes to shoot up to 25 3-point attempts per game, too.  NU
is the only team in the conference without a returning player of 6-10
or better, since Derrick Chandler left.  The Huskers led the Big Eight
in rebounding last year, but none of the returning players were among the
top 10 in rebounds last year in the conference.

The 'hero' of the 2-point attempt last Saturday, Ernie Beler, has a
dislocated finger, knee strain, and bruised shoulder, and is doubtful
for the Iowa State game.  The knee and shoulder injuries were the result
of an illegal block in the 4th quarter on Saturday.

Frazier's shoulder is still bothering him, but it isn't considered serious.
Also reporting injuries are LB Ed Stewart with a hip pointer, and Rob Zatechka
with an ankle sprain.  Troy Dumas should return this week, after missing the
last two games with an ankle sprain.

Tom Osborne isn't worried about his national ranking, at least not until
after the Iowa State and Oklahoma games.  And as to point spreads and such,
Tom says, "Any win we get will be satisfying."

As of March 1st, the new President of the University of Nebraska will
be Dennis Smith, currently Executive vice chancellor of the University
of California-Irvine.  
--
Mike Nolan


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        'FAN was talking to some guy last week that runs one of the bowls.
    I believe he said in the bowl coalition the number 1 team can choose to
    play the highest ranked team they haven't beat yet. Which might be
    Nebraska when all is said and done?
    
    I look for FSU to beat ND
         than FSU plays Nebraska in the Orange Bowl
           And ND meets Miami in the Fiesta.
              FSU Champ
         Lou Holtz builds the Canes up to be better than FSU.....
    
    
    Chappy

I am fairly sure that the only absolute - no loopholes - in the coalition
was #1 met #2 if it was possible. If #1 and #2 had conference commitments to
bowls (Sugar, Cotton, Orange) that was the only was they would not meet.

The Crazy Met

That's the way I understand it: #1 vs #2 if'n you can.

This year, that could be either a Florida St-Miami rematch or a Florida
St-Notre Dame rematch. In either case it would be in the Fiesta.

TTom

    	Isn't FSU tied to some certain bowl since they're in the ACC now?
    How 'bout Miami, I thought the Blockbuster had tabs on the Big East
    champion?

I'm pretty sure the ACC winner is not contracted to any specific bowl.
BE winner might be to the Blockbuster-but I'm pretty sure that if
it is #1 or #2 and a #1 vs. #2 meeting can be set it is at one of the
major bowls (Cotton, Sugar, Orange) or the Fiesta Bowl.

The Crazy Met

FSU and Miami are not tied to any particular bowl. The ACC has a couple
of contracts with minor bowls for their #3 and #4 teams but #1 and #2
don't have any on going commitments.

I don't know about Miami but the Big East also has one or two minor bowl
deals, but nothing about the #1 team in the league.

TTom

    
    Marty,
    
    	The "shaddap" wasn't for you.  But you're more than welcome
    	to comply.
    	
    	I've been saying "right" things in here forever.  It just took
    	you a while to notice.
    
    Claybone

    No such BlockBuster - Car Quest
    Murph
    

Article 57868 of rec.sport.football.college:
Since there have been so many schedule strength comparisons, I decided
to compile some data.  Listed below are the number of wins by each team
that the MNC contenders (1-7 in CNN) have beaten.  Ties count as 1/2 of
a win, and for Ohio State, I divided Wisconsin's win total by 2 in computing
the total.  Adding these up, gives the average number of wins by each
ranked teams' defeated opponents.  IM(Very)HO, this is a decent barometer
for measuring 'quality wins', which seems to be the statistic that most of
the schedule strength arguments focus on.

Note that games not played yet are in parentheses.  I included these in
the totals, because if a team were to not win out, then their position
would be moot, more than likely.  They all are decent (6-9 wins) teams
anyway.


Notre Dame              Nebraska               Florida State       
-----------------       -----------------      -----------------
Northwestern    2       N. Texas        4      Kansas         4    
Michigan        6       Texas Tech      5      Duke           3    
Michigan        6       UCLA            7      Clemson        7    
Purdue          1       Colorado St.    4      North Carolina 9    
Stanford        4       Oklahoma St.    3      Georgia Tech   5    
Pitt            2       Kansas St.      7.5    Miami          8    
BYU             5       Missouri        3.5    Virginia       7    
USC             7       Colorado        6.5    Wake Forest    2    
Navy            4       Kansas          4      Maryland       1    
FSU             9       Iowa State      3      (NC State)     7    
(Boston Coll)   7       (Oklahoma)      8      (Florida)      8    
              ----                    ----                   ----  
         53/11=4.82            55.5/11=5.05             61/11=5.55 

Ohio State              Miami                   Auburn                    
-----------------       -----------------       -----------------
Rice            5       Boston College  7       Mississippi     5         
Washington      6       Virginia Tech   7       Samford         5         
Pitt            2       Colorado        6.5     LSU             4         
Northwestern    2       Georgia South.  8       S. Mississippi  2         
Illinois        5       Syracuse        5.5     Vanderbilt      4         
Michigan St.    6       Temple          1       Miss. State     3 (2+2*.5)
Purdue          1       Pitt            2       Florida         8         
Penn State      7       Rutgers         4       Arkansas        4.5       
[Wisconsin]     7/2=3.5 (West Virginia) 9       New Mexico St.  5         
Indiana         7       (Memphis State) 6       Georgia         4         
(Michigan)      6                     ----      (Alabama)       8.5       
              ----               56/10=5.6                     ----       
       50.5/11=4.59     			          53/11=4.82      
     50.5/10.5=4.81     

West Virginia            
-----------------
East. Michigan  4        
Maryland        1        
Missouri        3.5      
Virginia Tech   7        
Louisville      7        
Pitt            2        
Syracuse        5.5      
Rutgers         4        
Temple          1        
(Miami)         8        
(BostonCollege) 7        
               ----      
          50/11=4.55     

Miami - 5.6
Florida State - 5.55
Nebraska - 5.05
Notre Dame - 4.82
Auburn - 4.82
Ohio State - 4.59
West Virginia - 4.55

Constructive criticism welcome.

Kent Neier
neierka@smeagol.sps.mot.com



Article 57868 of rec.sport.football.college:
Since there have been so many schedule strength comparisons, I decided
to compile some data.  Listed below are the number of wins by each team
that the MNC contenders (1-7 in CNN) have beaten.  Ties count as 1/2 of
a win, and for Ohio State, I divided Wisconsin's win total by 2 in computing
the total.  Adding these up, gives the average number of wins by each
ranked teams' defeated opponents.  IM(Very)HO, this is a decent barometer
for measuring 'quality wins', which seems to be the statistic that most of
the schedule strength arguments focus on.

Note that games not played yet are in parentheses.  I included these in
the totals, because if a team were to not win out, then their position
would be moot, more than likely.  They all are decent (6-9 wins) teams
anyway.


Notre Dame              Nebraska               Florida State       
-----------------       -----------------      -----------------
Northwestern    2       N. Texas        4      Kansas         4    
Michigan        6       Texas Tech      5      Duke           3    
Michigan        6       UCLA            7      Clemson        7    
Purdue          1       Colorado St.    4      North Carolina 9    
Stanford        4       Oklahoma St.    3      Georgia Tech   5    
Pitt            2       Kansas St.      7.5    Miami          8    
BYU             5       Missouri        3.5    Virginia       7    
USC             7       Colorado        6.5    Wake Forest    2    
Navy            4       Kansas          4      Maryland       1    
FSU             9       Iowa State      3      (NC State)     7    
(Boston Coll)   7       (Oklahoma)      8      (Florida)      8    
              ----                    ----                   ----  
         53/11=4.82            55.5/11=5.05             61/11=5.55 

Ohio State              Miami                   Auburn                    
-----------------       -----------------       -----------------
Rice            5       Boston College  7       Mississippi     5         
Washington      6       Virginia Tech   7       Samford         5         
Pitt            2       Colorado        6.5     LSU             4         
Northwestern    2       Georgia South.  8       S. Mississippi  2         
Illinois        5       Syracuse        5.5     Vanderbilt      4         
Michigan St.    6       Temple          1       Miss. State     3 (2+2*.5)
Purdue          1       Pitt            2       Florida         8         
Penn State      7       Rutgers         4       Arkansas        4.5       
[Wisconsin]     7/2=3.5 (West Virginia) 9       New Mexico St.  5         
Indiana         7       (Memphis State) 6       Georgia         4         
(Michigan)      6                     ----      (Alabama)       8.5       
              ----               56/10=5.6                     ----       
       50.5/11=4.59     			          53/11=4.82      
     50.5/10.5=4.81     

West Virginia            
-----------------
East. Michigan  4        
Maryland        1        
Missouri        3.5      
Virginia Tech   7        
Louisville      7        
Pitt            2        
Syracuse        5.5      
Rutgers         4        
Temple          1        
(Miami)         8        
(BostonCollege) 7        
               ----      
          50/11=4.55     

Miami - 5.6
Florida State - 5.55
Nebraska - 5.05
Notre Dame - 4.82
Auburn - 4.82
Ohio State - 4.59
West Virginia - 4.55

Constructive criticism welcome.

Kent Neier
neierka@smeagol.sps.mot.com

    All this so Nebraska can git stomped by #1 again!
    
    8^)
    MikeL
    

    
    	He didn't have the ND game in FSU's column.
    
    Claybone

    	that's because FSU didn't beat ND!

    
    	Never mind then.  I thought it was a cumulative list which
    	had opponents total victories.
    
    Claybone

Sorry but any system that gives Nebraska some "credit" for beating North
Texas misses the point.

TTom

Article 58125 of rec.sport.football.college:

Instead of coming up with mathematic equations for entire-schedule
strength, let's just look at wins and ties against ranked teams.  Losses
against ranked teams mean less IMHO: anyone can lose to a ranked team.
Beating or tying one is more impressive.  Also, this list (when combined
with overall record) is a good representation of what a team has actually
accomplished during the season.

All ranks approximate: two polls make it confusing, and we're just looking
at general area of teams on the top 25, not exact placings.

=====

Five teams have lists of three or more...impressive.  That's probably why
they're the top five.


Notre Dame:	#2 Florida State
		#21 Southern Cal
		#24 (USA/CNN) Michigan State
	
	Obviously the win over FSU brightened this list and validated their
	high ranking.  #17 Boston College remains.

Florida State:	#4 Miami
		#13 North Carolina
		#23 Virginia
		#25 Clemson

	Miami and ACC teams.  If Miami loses to WV, this list could look
	more and more like Nebraska's.  :)  #9 Florida remains.

Nebraska:	#16 UCLA
		#19 Colorado
		#20 Kansas State

	Hasn't beaten (or played) a really great team.  They'll at least
	play one in the Orange.  #15 Oklahoma remains.


Miami:		#17 Boston College
		#19 Colorado
		#24 Virginia Tech

	Wow, it's kind of depressing to know that at best, your biggest
	regular season win will be over West Virginia.  :)  They'll most
	likely get another chance to shine in a New Year's bowl.

Ohio State:	#12 Wisconsin (tie)
		#14 Penn State
		#22 Indiana
		#24 (USA/CNN) Michigan State

	Did very well vs. Big Ten, for all the good it did them.  They
	deserve top five for the moment.

=========

Rounding out the top 10/11.....

Auburn:		#9 Florida

	The only big opponent they've played.  Upcoming #11 Alabama will
	prove whether or not it was a fluke.  :)

Tennessee:	#11 Alabama (tie)

	Without this tie, where would TN be?

West Virginia:	#24 Virginia Tech

	They can prove themselves during the next two games against #4
	Miami and #17 Boston College, definitely their two toughest.

Florida:	#7 Tennessee

	Perhaps underranked, but they have plenty of chances to let
	everyone know for sure with #2 Florida State and probably #11
	Alabama coming up...

Texas A&M:	None

	Yes, they beat Louisville, but that only raised questions as to
	whether Louisville deserved to be Top 25.  Cotton Bowl opponent
	could make them above #5---or below #20.

Alabama:	#7 Tennessee (tie)

	A victory over #6 Auburn and probably #9 Florida would help them make
	this list a lot more impressive.  Otherwise, not much.

======
As for the rest of the ranked teams....

Wisconsin:	#5 Ohio State (tie)
		#22 Indiana
North Carolina:	#21 Southern Cal
		#25 Clemson
Penn State:	#21 Southern Cal
		#22 Indiana
Oklahoma:	#10 Texas A&M
UCLA:		#18 Arizona
Boston College:	#24 Virginia Tech
Arizona:	#21 Southern Cal
Colorado:	#15 Oklahoma
		#20 Kansas State (tie)
Kansas State:	#15 Oklahoma
		#19 Colorado (tie)
Southern Cal:	None
Indiana:	#24 (USA/CNN) Michigan State
Virginia:	#13 North Carolina
Virginia Tech:	None
Clemson:	#23 Virginia

=====
Unranked teams which have beaten/tied currently ranked teams:

LSU		#11 Alabama
Minnesota	#12 Wisconsin
Michigan	#14 Penn State
California	#16 UCLA
		#18 Arizona
Arizona State	#16 UCLA
Northwestern	#17 Boston College
Stanford	#19 Colorado
Iowa State	#20 Kansas State
Wake Forest	#25 Clemson


ecw
fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

No Oklahoma fans out there?

I hereby lend my support to the belief that the Oklahoma games should be
a genuine Cornhusking. Seriously, Osborne's been whining about the polls.
Now, he's got the #1 rating and I'd expect he and the team to act like
it.

Sooners should be no match for Big Red.

TTom

	Glenn, as our resident "Oakie" what's their chances of upseting
	the 'huskers?


	just wonderin'
	billl

    
    >	Glenn, as our resident "Oakie" what's their chances of upseting
    >	the 'huskers?
    
    Not very good.  I think that the off-and-on OU offense could score 
    some points, but that the defense won't be able to stop the Nebraska
    track meet once again this year.  Say what you will about him, that's 
    he's not very imaginative and whatnot, but Osborne-coached teams 
    rarely lose to teams of lesser talent...
    
    glenn
    

  Well, I saw in the paper yesterday that 23 year old junior, Calvin Jones,
  has been sued by 2 different women for parental recognition and child 
  support. Each claim that DNA tests will prove that their children were 
  fathered by Jones. So far, Jones has no comments.

  Back here in Coloradi, 5th year senior, Dwayne Davis was told by coach
  Mac that he can't play in CU's bowl game(where ever that may be). In the 
  game against ISU on Saturday, Davis threw a couple of punches after an 
  ISU player slugged CU's Sam Rogers a couple of times. Rogers never threw a 
  punch but the ISU player and Davis were both ejected by the officials.
  Team rules specify that any player who is ejected for fighting will miss
  the next game, thus, the suspension.
  
  In regards to the red_team/other_red_team game on friday, I think the red
  team will win. Colorado ran the ball easily when they matched up with the
  other_red_team in Norman. The red_team won't have any trouble running 
  against the other_red_team either especially with the game being played
  in that town about 500 miles east/north/east of Boulder.

	Keith 

    Oh, so now Glenn's an Oakie too?!  The Boomer Sooner fans should be 
    ashamed.  Only beating Nebraska and doing us all a favor (as well as
    NU) will save their shame now.

>    Oh, so now Glenn's an Oakie too?!  The Boomer Sooner fans should be 
>    ashamed.  Only beating Nebraska and doing us all a favor (as well as
>    NU) will save their shame now.
    
    Sure, Mike, but unlike when those Arizonans graciously accepted me as
    one of their own for using their restrooms at a couple of truckstops, I
    actually laid my belongings down long in enough in Oklahoma to attend
    school for a couple of days or five years or so.  The Dust Bowl was
    hell, I tell ya...
    
    glenn
    

    So I gather we'll see the Big Red in the Orange battlin' for the 
    MNC.
    
    Motel 6's watch out!! Many 8^)'s
    
    MikeL
    

    NU should just lose to the Okie's (thanks Glenn) to save face. 
    Whatever Florida school goes to the Orange Bowl will thoroughly slay
    them and their 1940's offense.  The Huskers haven't beaten a top 10
    team in a decade and their bowl record over the last decade is almost
    as bad as Nogales Tech's lifetime bowl record.

    
    Yabbut if they "leave the lights on for ya" then they won't get their
    lights turned off!
    
    I remain,
    suddenly thinking in a philosophical manner????
    Kev
    

    On the other hand NU may pull a Miami-like (1983) upset in the Orange
    Bowl.
    
    re: Oklahoma game - I always thought of this as one of those games
    where one team could be much better than the other but that did not
    mean very much once they started playing. WOuld be nice to see an
    Oklahoma upset.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

>    re: Oklahoma game - I always thought of this as one of those games
>    where one team could be much better than the other but that did not
>    mean very much once they started playing. WOuld be nice to see an
>    Oklahoma upset.
    
>    The Crazy Met

That's how us Nebraska fans see it too. This year NU is the better team and
SHOULD win. Home field advantage also. But OU has the ability to pull of the
upset. Husker have to get up for this one - MNC at stake, coast-to-coast tv,
top-20 oppenent.

Nebraska will be 99.5% healthy for the first time this year. This could be a
factor. Another factor could be the weather. The early forcast is not good.
Chance of snow, north wind, cold, but you never know - the system could move
out by Friday 13:00 CDT.

I say Huskers win, but I'm not biased at all ya know.    ;^)

Husker Henderson

#1 don't mean nuthin NOW. 2 big games left!

Nebraska wins 21-7. 2 late TD's.
WVU wins 17-14
Florida State beats Florida 33-21 in Gainsville - Iwould guess enough
to keep them at #2 in the coalition polls.

Will this mean WVU vs ND in the Fiesta Bowl?

The Crazy Met

    
    	Even though Dr. Tom was whining in the papers that "CU was lucky
    	they got to play a non Florida team in the Orange Bowl..." I'm
    	still rootin' for them Huskers.  Dr. Tom is a class act and runs
    	a good program.  I hope they whup whoever the "Coalition to get
    	Bobby Bowden a National Champeenship" sends to play them.
    
    	I feel WVU is gettin' jobbed.  They are undefeated and should get
    	the opportunity to play the only other undefeated team.
    
    Claybone

	IMHO if both NU and WVU had played the FSU schedule they would not be 
 undefeated at this time. Could they both beat ND, I don't think so. Could
they both beat Florida, I don't think so. Teams that play the cake schedules
should stop whinning, get a real schedule go undefeated, and then expect to be
ranked with the real teams.

   As a side point  I don't give a hoot about any of these teams, my favorite
UT Longhorns sipped this year and went 5-5-1, but they still played a tougher 
schedule than NU.

   Cadzilla2 

    re -.1
    
    Stop whining!  NU beat 4 bowl teams.  How many did Texas play?  
    
    Jimbo

  >>  re -.1
    
  >>  Stop whining!  NU beat 4 bowl teams.  How many did Texas play?  
    
  >>  Jimbo


	BFD with 75 bowl games out there it's real tough not to beat atleast
 4 bowl teams especially when 3 of them are in your own weak conference...

 mike

  I don't like that red team but I gotta admit that their schedule was better
  than most people have given them credit for. The reason why they've been
  bashed around are that:

	1. In the past they've scheduled some real cupcakes.
	2. Even though their schedule was better this year, they still
	   scheduled a divsion 1-AA team(N. Texas State).
	3. Their bowl record for the last decade has been awful.

  All of you guys can argue about who should play who fer the MNC until ya
  all turn green but the fact is that somebody is gonna get the shaft most 
  every year until they come up with a playoff. This year it looks like WVA 
  and ND are gettin the shaft(they both have legitimate claims to play for the
  MNC just like FSU and the red team). It just as easily could have been that 
  red team and FSU who got the shaft.

  Who said Osborne was a class act ? In the early 80's he was saying everybody
  in the Big 8 should vote fer the red team as the national champ but in 1990,
  his vote for Ga Tech cost the Buffs an undisputed MNC. He's a jerk as far as
  I'm concerned.

		Keith

    
>  Who said Osborne was a class act ? In the early 80's he was saying everybody
>  in the Big 8 should vote fer the red team as the national champ but in 1990,
>  his vote for Ga Tech cost the Buffs an undisputed MNC. He's a jerk as far as
>  I'm concerned.
    
    To be fair, it was Osborne's vote and that of 30-some-odd other coaches
    that did it for Georgia Tech.  Osborne shouldn't be obligated to vote 
    for Colorado just because he coaches in the Big-8.  In fact, that's the
    kind of partisan political thinking that's inherently wrong with the 
    coaches' poll.  Besides, it's well-demonstrated that the coaches almost
    blindly go with the undefeated teams, all other things equal, and
    Osborne is no different.  That's why we see that in the current
    coaches' poll FSU has more first-place votes than WVU, but still trails 
    them by a healthy margin because so many coaches just automatically
    pencilled in NU and WVU at #1-#2.  These guys don't watch other games,
    they don't rate the competition; they just look at the records and
    write 'em down...
    
    Boy, those NU fans were just so classy at the end of the OU game, huh?
    Every other year Nebraska Marty never fails to remind us how rotten the
    Colorado fans are, and every other year I watch this game in Lincoln
    and see absolutely no difference in the behavior of the Nebraska
    students, be it pelting the field and hitting Cale Gundy in the back 
    with an orange as he's bent over center (1991), or storming the field 
    before the game's over...
    
    glenn
               

    
>  Who said Osborne was a class act ? In the early 80's he was saying everybody
>  in the Big 8 should vote fer the red team as the national champ but in 1990,
>  his vote for Ga Tech cost the Buffs an undisputed MNC. He's a jerk as far as
>  I'm concerned.
    
>    To be fair, it was Osborne's vote and that of 30-some-odd other coaches
>    that did it for Georgia Tech.  Osborne shouldn't be obligated to vote 
>    for Colorado just because he coaches in the Big-8.  

  Glenn, I might be wrong, but I thought that there was only a one vote 
  margin of victory for Ga tech in the coaches poll. So, Osborne's vote	
  could have shifted the caoches MNC to Colorado.

  I agree he shouldn't have been obligated to vote for a big 8 team. But that's
  exactly what he was telling all of the coaches in the early 80's before the
  bowl games, that they should vote for the red team if they and team x
  were still undefeated after the bowl games were finished. So, Osborne tells
  everybody in the Big 8 that they should vote for the Big 8 team but then
  when the tables are turned, he does the opposite. And it just so happens
  that he votes against the team that wrecked his undefeated season in his
  home stadium. Can you spell r-e-v-e-n-g-e ? 
  
	Keith

>  I agree he shouldn't have been obligated to vote for a big 8 team. But that's
>  exactly what he was telling all of the coaches in the early 80's before the
>  bowl games, that they should vote for the red team if they and team x
>  were still undefeated after the bowl games were finished. So, Osborne tells
>  everybody in the Big 8 that they should vote for the Big 8 team but then
>  when the tables are turned, he does the opposite. And it just so happens
>  that he votes against the team that wrecked his undefeated season in his
>  home stadium. Can you spell r-e-v-e-n-g-e ? 

   I don't see that he's being two-faced here.  Perhaps if Tech and Colorado
   were both undefeated after the bowl games, and he voted for Tech, then you
   might have a case.  Also, he played both teams.  He probably knew who the
   better team was.

	rere.366

  Oklahoma Colorado Louisville, Syracuse, Texas A+M Texas Tech to name a few. 


  And beside that I'm not whinning just stating an opinon like the rest of the
glorious noter in this file.

  Cadzila2

    stating an opinion, whining........same thing it depends on what
    side of the fence your on 8*)
    
    If Texas played all those bowl teams and went 11-0, I would say
    they deserved to play for the MNC, no matter how weak I thought
    the conference was.  Same reason I think NU and WVU should meet.
    
    BTW.  I also didn't think this was the final vote for the bowls.  I
    thought the final poll would be after this coming weekend.  
    
    Jimbo  

	re-1  Opinions are like noses  You can't always pick the one you want.

  And I still do not consider it whinning, but who give a fat f*#& anyway.


  Cadzilla2

    Osborne is already poormouthing the Florida climate, the grass, and
    homefield advantage for the 'Noles.  He stated he thought it would be
    better if they played WVU.

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>>    	Even though Dr. Tom was whining in the papers that "CU was lucky
>>    	they got to play a non Florida team in the Orange Bowl..." I'm
  
    Er, does Malpractice care to remember that said CU was 1-1 vs. this
    non-Florida team in the Orange??  This non-Florida team whupped the
    Buffs firsted time outta a #1 and the second time was "clipped" by the
    MNCers Buffs 10-9. How was they "lucky"...  Because NU couldn't get it
    done themselves, he tries to denigrate other football teams.
    Here's hoping you lose by 50
  
    
    MikeL
    
    
 
    
    

    I wonder what the breakdwon on tickets for the Orange Bowl is?
    10k for each school?  
    
    Is it that big of a homefield advantage with hated State playing
    in the Canes backyard?  I hope not....
    
    Of course Osborne wants to play WVU.  He knows he can win.  He thinks
    he can beat Fl St....Me on the other hand HOPES they win.....
    
    Jimbo

    You had a classic situation of NU praying they would play WVU and
    actually have a chance to win. Ditto for WVU. The 'Neers are lucky they
    get to play the Aggies instead of ND or Tenessee which would both wipe
    them up. A&M is erribly overrated,losing to the only decent team they 
    faced all year(Oklahoma).
    
    Wouldn't it be appropos if those two biggest big game losers,Bowden and
    Osborne tied each other in the Orange Bowl? 

    
    	Rat on MikeL.  Except, wasn't it a CU player who got clipped?  :*)
    	I always wondered how Rocket was so successful at returning kicks.
    	ND cheats!  Those scaliwags!
    
    	Anyway, I had forgotten about that Keith W.  Being such a
    	magnanimous guy, I'll forget about it and still root for NU.  I'm
    	sick of how everybody gushes over the Florida schools.  The Big 8
    	needs another champ anyway.....
    
    Claybone

    Of course Osborne is bit*hin. He knows that Fl. St.
    will dismantle his team piece by piece and then chew
    'em up and spit 'em out.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    FSU opened at 14 point favorites yesterday and are now up to 16.

    > The 'Neers are lucky they get to play the Aggies instead of ND or
    > Tenessee which would both wipe them up. A&M is erribly overrated,losing
    > to the only decent team they  faced all year(Oklahoma).

      Looks like the EERs are going to bypass the Cotton bowl and play in the
      Sugar instead. The get more money (~4.5 vs 3.0 Million) and they get to
      play a team that SU played (Florida or Alabamma).

      It will really be funny if FSU win by a slim margin and WVU loses. 
      Then Auburn (a team on probation) gets to be #1 in the AP poll 
      because they are the only undefeated team left. The polls will then be
      split and the national championship will be all screwed up. That 
      will make the NCAA look really good for not matching up two 
      undefeated team for the National Champs.


      Let's Go EER'S

      Huey

The other issue with WVU is that they felt that if'n they played Texas
A&M it might be a low scoring affair which is likely to not impress the
voters.

However, they may get more than they bargained for with Florida who can
be impressive and with Alabama they may end up with another low scoring
game.

TTom

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A few days of frenzied selling has resulted in the Nebraska ticket office
completely selling out its allottment of 12,500 tickets for the Orange
Bowl.  The office stopped accepting out-of-state orders on Wednesday to
try to ensure that the last of the tickets went to Nebraska fans.

The ticket office reports that very few of the orders were for 50 or more
tickets, which usually come from ticket brokers.  It still isn't clear how
many of the tickets were purchased by Florida State supporters, but Nebraska
fans may get a chance to return the 'favor' when the FSU ticket office begins
selling its allotment next Monday.  (They can't start selling them until 
after the official invitation is issued as expected on Sunday.)

Three games into the season is hardly a time for panic, but that may be
just where Danny Nee's Huskers are at 1-2, following a lethargic performance
at Appalachian State Wednesday, where they lost 91-82 on Wednesday.  Eric
Piatkowski managed only two points in the first half and 14 in all.  Eric
had a lackluster performance against the Mountaineers last year in Lincoln
as well, scoring only six points in a winning effort.

Appalachian State coach Tom Apke, well known to Nebraskans as both a former 
player and coach at Creighton called it one of his team's biggest wins ever.

The Huskers now play host in the Ameritas Classic with the worst record among 
the four teams participating, and face 1-0 Ohio this evening.

The Nebraska volleyball team wasted no time disposing of Cornell in an
opening round NCAA Mideast Regional matchup Wednesday, winning 15-7, 15-4,
1501 in a match played before a sparse crowd of 1181 fans and lasting just
52 minutes.  The team travels to Notre Dame next for a Sunday match, a rematch 
of a road loss suffered during the regular season.

The Big Eight coaches placed six Huskers on the all-conference team,
Calvin Jones, Trev Alberts, Zach Wiegert, Lance Lundberg, Ken Mehlin,
and Barron Miles.  Osborne was named the Big Eight Coach of the Year.
--
Mike Nolan


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  Well, everybody knows about the Red team and the Orange bowl so I thought I'd
  talk a little about the other Big 8 teams and the bowls they'll be going to.

  According to the coalition, the John Hancock bowl is supposed to get the
  Big 8 runner up or the 2nd highest ranked Big 8 team. In both cases, that 
  would be Colorado but Oklahoma got invited. I've never heard any official 
  reasons for this discrepancy but everybody knows that a Oklahoma/Texas Tech
  game has more regional interest(i.e. it'll sell more tickets). So, Colorado
  goes to the Aloha Bowl to play Fresno State. But, according to the coalition,
  the Aloha Bowl is supposed to get the Big 8 3rd place team. Well, the 3rd
  place team is Kansas State but they're goin to the Copper Bowl. Again, no 
  official reasons for the coalition discrepancy but everybody knows that
  Colorado has a bigger following in Hawaii than Kansas State has(i.e., it'll
  sell more tickets). This all goes to show that the coalition doesn't have
  any intentions of following the letter of the law that they agreed to. The
  bottom line is still money. 

  Being a Colorado fan, I couldn't care less about the Bowl matchup. I view 
  Fresno State as the better team but still it's far from a dream matchup. I 
  suspect more people will watch this game than the John Hancock but I could 
  be wrong. I know the school prefered to play in the John Hancock bowl 
  because it pays more. Taking the Buffs to Hawaii is a break even, at best,
  scenario(in fact they may have to leave Ralphie back on the range). 
  
  Recently, they announced that Charles Johnson and Trev Alberts as the 
  offensive and defensive players of the year in the Big 8. No complaints here,
  both are very deserving. Tom Osborne was named coach of the year. No doubt
  he did a good job and had a great year but I thought Bill Synder of Kansas
  State should have won. Kansas State doesn't even recruit as well as some 
  high schools in Texas and all they did this year was beat Oklahoma, tie 
  Colorado and almost beat the red team. Also, they're going to their first
  bowl game since the Civil war and are ranked in the top 20 fer the first 
  time ever.

  Somehow, I'm gonna suck it up and find a way to root fer the Red team in the
  Orange bowl. I get really tired hearing that indian war chant and all the 
  talk about how great all the Florida teams are. But, I suspect they'll
  lose by 2 or more TDs.

	Keith

    C'mon Marty,
    
    Here it is one monthe from mbowling and we gets to see clarinews
    from ya with your team at #1 and on the brink (of what?).
    
    Where's your personal touch and rah rah isms behind BigRed??
    Can it be that you think Nebraska is as big a fraud as most of
    the experts do?
    
    And please tell that quack Osborne to shaddap already with
    te "florida home teams" in the bowl!!
    
    MikeL
    

>    C'mon Marty,
    
>    Here it is one monthe from mbowling and we gets to see clarinews
>    from ya with your team at #1 and on the brink (of what?).
    
>    Where's your personal touch and rah rah isms behind BigRed??
>    Can it be that you think Nebraska is as big a fraud as most of
>    the experts do?
    
>    And please tell that quack Osborne to shaddap already with
>    te "florida home teams" in the bowl!!
    
>    MikeL

OK, I'll take the bait. Typos and all!   ;^)

There isen't much for a Nebraska fan to say (but I'm gonna say it anyway).
We got what we wanted - a chance at #1 in a national championship game - and
there is nothing further to whine about. The proper place for NU fans right
now is to sit quietly and wait for the game. There is nothing more to say.
NU must gain respect on the field - they have a chance to do that now. Even
if NU plays a close game with a loss, they still gain respect.

My personal touch? NU will supprise but probably not win. What everyone fails
to take into account is this: '93 Nebraska is Osborne's best team since '83. 
Everbody says "NU can't win a bowl and can't really play with the big boys."
They base that statement on NU's loseing of 6 straight bowl games. As I have
already stated, NU is better this year than in any of those 6 years, plus NU
has played the best in it's bowl year after year. When the other team is 
ranked ahead of you and is favored, then the other team is supposed to win.
This year is this year, past years are just that - past years. This NU team is
not the same old Nebraska. 

About this years game? NU has a better chance this year because of their good
team speed. The Huskers have been recruiting for speed every since they were
humiliated by Miami in the Jan. 1 '89 Orange Bowl. That effort has begun to
pay dividends. Plus Nebraska has a legit quarterback. Something lacking, really
since Turner Gill (who now, by the way is the NU QB's coach). Plus NU seems to
have the intangible in their favor this year. Much of that factor is due to the
character of Alberts and Frazier.

Florida State has more overall talent, Nebraska is closing the gap and is not
as far behind as the "experts" seem to think (more on that later). Game played
in the state of Florida on grass with FSU home fan support - I say FSU in a
close one. 

Now for the "experts." I assume the experts you refer to are the folks who set
the official "line" for the games? What is that line now, 14? 16? Just keep one
thing in mind - that Vegas line is engineered for one purpose: to encourage
betting activity both ways. That is to get people to bet, some for NU, some for
FSU. That's it, plain and simple. That line is NOT designed to give an accurate
reflection of what the final score might be. They just want high volumes of
betting activity. 

My guess is, and this is my speculation now, that the "line" folks in Vegas
know that no one will bet for Nebraska unless they are given a lot of points.
They know that people will look at past NU bowls and project to this year.
It's human nature. I've already addressed the "this year, past years" theory
of judging the '93 Huskers. But the Vegas people have to set this up in any
way which will get the public to bet. Would you, if you know NOTHING about NU
in '93, bet for NU if the line were FSU by 5? No you would not. If you followed
NU closely this year you might take that bet. How many follow NU closely? Well,
there are only 1,5 million in the state of Nebraska. Small numbers for the 
Vegas boys. It's all about making money. Everything in Vegas is that way.

People have long memories about NU and very, very short ones about FSU. Here
are some things which have been quickly forgotten:

1. FSU lost just a few short weeks ago to ND. They did not just lose, they
   were outplayed and were very lucky to get that last TD to pull within 7.
   If that interception did not go in and out of the hands of that ND guy then
   FSU might not be playing in the Orange bowl. FSU is not unbeatable. Not even
   close. (By the way, if FSU wins and Florida beats WVU, then ND has a legit
   claim to number one since they beat FSU)

2. Isen't Bowden supposed to be that coach who "can't win the big one?" All of
   those accusations have just seemed to die out. Well Mr. "can't win the big 
   one" now gets a second chance. A very rare situation for college football.

3. Osborne has said this - (my paraphrase) there was not that much difference
   in talent on the field last year between them and us (FSU and NU). They did
   have more overall talent but the difference was not that great. Two missed
   (and very makeable) field goals and a fumble on their 4 yard line, well that
   was the difference in the game. (Indeed, NU missed 2 makeable field goals
   and a bad pitch resulted in a FSU fumble recovery on the NU 4 which led to
   a FSU TD. 13 points was the difference in the game)

All I am trying to say is this: forget that Vegas spread. It's nonsense based
on what the Vegas people think will get betting activity on this game. Last
years game (NU/FSU Orange bowl) was closer (statistic wise) than the score
indicates and the talent is not as lop-sided as the press is making it out to
be. FSU is still the favorite in my book, but if you are a betting person, take
Nebraska and that goofy spread.

Hey, it's one game and the Huskers have a shot. That's all I ever wanted!

Husker Henderson

I was withca there for awhile but I think you done shot yourself in the
foot.

>3. Osborne has said this - (my paraphrase) there was not that much difference
>   in talent on the field last year between them and us (FSU and NU).

If'n the talent is about the same and you lose by 13, that can't give
much hope to hold onto.

Also, if'n the Huskers are gonna base their game plan on good team speed,
they'll lose miserably to a team with great team speed. 

The one chance that Nebraska would seem to have is to study the Notre
Dame game tapes and put those running plays into the formation. The one
hope for anyone playing the Noles is to be able to run on them.

But then again, you're still gonna have to deal with stopping Charlie
Ward. The Huskers haven't played anyone with that level of offense and
don't mention UCLA which was played so long ago that it's not even the
same Bruin team.

What you're saying about the line is true: it's about betting. The only
problem the books are having is that the line keeps going up cause no one
believes in the Huskers.

Maybe Osborne can work the underdog role. But I'm not sure about that
excellent loss theory, though.

TTom

                    
> My personal touch? NU will supprise but probably not win. What everyone fails
> to take into account is this: '93 Nebraska is Osborne's best team since '83. 
    
    The size of the spread notwithstanding, I have to strongly disagree
    with this statement, Marty.  The '93 team might have the best
    regular-season record of any Osborne team since 1983, but I don't think
    they're even close to as good as the 1984 team, the 1986 team, the 1987
    team and maybe even the 1985 team.  There was mucho talent on those
    Nebraska teams in the mid-80s.  The major difference was that Oklahoma 
    was equally strong (and more than just a little lucky in a couple of 
    those seasons), and Nebraska was playing a bit tougher schedules then.
    They even won a couple of bowl games.
    
    We've heard the "but this team has character" line before.  I don't
    doubt that they do, but it isn't going to matter.  There's only so much
    of a talent differential that can be overcome once the game starts. 
    And even relative to years past the talent differential between
    Nebraska and FSU is huge...
    
    glenn
    

>If'n the talent is about the same and you lose by 13, that can't give
>much hope to hold onto.

Read my whole post. I said NU fumbled inside it's own 5 and missed two field
goals. That = 13 points which is the game. 2 equal teams (I'm not saying the
'92 Huskers were as good as '92 FSU) can have a lop-sided score if one team
makes stupid mistakes.

>Also, if'n the Huskers are gonna base their game plan on good team speed,
>they'll lose miserably to a team with great team speed. 

My red-phone direct line to Tom Osbrornes office seems to be out of order
right now so I can't give you the Nebraska coaches game plan.

All I was trying to say is their excellent team speed will help them keep
up with those speedsters from florida. In the '89 orange bowl it looked like
NU had bricks on their feet compared to the speed of Miami. NU might just
try to play smashmouth after looking at the ND/FSU game films.

>The one chance that Nebraska would seem to have is to study the Notre
>Dame game tapes and put those running plays into the formation. The one
>hope for anyone playing the Noles is to be able to run on them.

I agree and I'm sure the NU coaches are living, sleeping, eating, this film.

>But then again, you're still gonna have to deal with stopping Charlie
>Ward. The Huskers haven't played anyone with that level of offense and
>don't mention UCLA which was played so long ago that it's not even the
>same Bruin team.

I watched Ward in the FSU/Florida game. He is impressive. No doubt the best
NU will face this season. But that is a problem for every team who plays FSU.
I did not see the ND game. How did they content with him?

>What you're saying about the line is true: it's about betting. The only
>problem the books are having is that the line keeps going up cause no one
>believes in the Huskers.

Who is "no one?" They are the average dude on the street who might bet 10
bucks or so on a game. Sure they don't beleive in Nebraska. Due to ABC's 
regional broadcasts this year I bet most people have not even witnessed a
Nebraska agame this year, therefore those people can only revert to the NU
bowl performances of the past few years. This is why the big spread. It really
has little to do with what true sports experts think of the matchup. I would 
say a good sports-minded (not bet minded) line would be more like 7 points.

>Maybe Osborne can work the underdog role. But I'm not sure about that
>excellent loss theory, though.

I agree on the underdog thing - the world is against us lets prove them wrong
etc...

What excellent loss theory? Are you refering to my comment about a close loss
for NU gains them respect? Well, any loss is a bad game, but if they provide
a close well fought game then they will get respect. But I'd rather have a win.

I do beleive NU has a chance to win this game. The Huskers must execute the
game plan flawlessly to win, but it is possible, however not probable.

>TTom

Thanks for the comments TTom,

Marty

>> My personal touch? NU will supprise but probably not win. What everyone fails
>> to take into account is this: '93 Nebraska is Osborne's best team since '83. 
    
>    The size of the spread notwithstanding, I have to strongly disagree
>    with this statement, Marty.  The '93 team might have the best
>    regular-season record of any Osborne team since 1983, but I don't think
>    they're even close to as good as the 1984 team, the 1986 team, the 1987
>    team and maybe even the 1985 team.  There was mucho talent on those
>    Nebraska teams in the mid-80s.  The major difference was that Oklahoma 
>    was equally strong (and more than just a little lucky in a couple of 
>    those seasons), and Nebraska was playing a bit tougher schedules then.
>    They even won a couple of bowl games.
    
Well, I disagree with you Glenn. So what else is new ey?  ;^)

The '84 team was a good team. The '86 and '87 teams were OK. Surely those
teams were better than the Huskers of '98, 90, 91. By the way, it took a big
NU letdown for CU to beat NU. Anyway, I say the '93 team is better than the
'84 - '92 Nebraska teams. They have better speed and a much better quarterback.
These are the keys in my opinion. There is also a new defensive alignment which
is designed to defense the pass better. This NU secondary is also much better
than those mid-80's teams.

>    We've heard the "but this team has character" line before.  I don't
>    doubt that they do, but it isn't going to matter.  There's only so much
>    of a talent differential that can be overcome once the game starts. 
>    And even relative to years past the talent differential between
>    Nebraska and FSU is huge...
    
>    glenn

I'm tell'in ya, the talent differential is not as great as you guys think. You
will just have to accept that statement or reject it based on your own
attitudes. 

I have predicted a close win for FSU. I see not need to beat the drum further.

Marty

    
> I'm tell'in ya, the talent differential is not as great as you guys think. You
> will just have to accept that statement or reject it based on your own
> attitudes. 
    
    Believe me, it's got nothing to do with attitude, and more to do with
    watching an inferior team like Oklahoma stuff Nebraska's running game, 
    while Oklahoma's James Allen was ripping through some pretty big holes 
    in the Husker defense before the Sooner offense was besieged by 
    self-inflicted penalties and stupid sacks when they went away from the
    running game.  I obviously haven't seen as much of Nebraska as you have, 
    but what I have seen was not impressive.  During that game you had Dick 
    Vermeil repeating over and over that "Osborne is right that this team 
    is not as talented as some of the teams he's had in the past" and I have 
    to concur with that assessment.  Your opinion appears to differ from
    that of Osborne himself, unless he has made a sudden transformation.
    
    I've also heard the stuff about Nebraska "being faster this year" 
    before, too.  We heard about it with the teams with Brod Thomas and 
    Mike Croel and that other DE Walker (first name?) and, sure, those 
    defenses were faster than previous editions but they were small and 
    just ended up getting pushed all over the field.  Like Trev Alberts 
    and Donta Jones those guys were fine players too but once again the 
    depth is not there...
    
    glenn
    

Glenn, Glenn old friend, you HATE Nebraska, so your opinions are at least as
biased as mine!

>    Believe me, it's got nothing to do with attitude, and more to do with
>    watching an inferior team like Oklahoma stuff Nebraska's running game, 
>    while Oklahoma's James Allen was ripping through some pretty big holes 
>    in the Husker defense before the Sooner offense was besieged by 
>    self-inflicted penalties and stupid sacks when they went away from the
>    running game.  I obviously haven't seen as much of Nebraska as you have, 
>    but what I have seen was not impressive.  During that game you had Dick 
>    Vermeil repeating over and over that "Osborne is right that this team 
>    is not as talented as some of the teams he's had in the past" and I have 
>    to concur with that assessment.  Your opinion appears to differ from
>    that of Osborne himself, unless he has made a sudden transformation.
 
Vermeal said some previous years Husker teams "had more talent." than this
years squad overall. Osborne has said this also. Osborne also said this is
his best team "in some years." That is a direct quote. So what does "some
years" mean? Since '83? Since '87? I can't say what he meant. What I can 
comment on is the "more talent" thing. More talent does not mean a better
team in all cases. 

>    I've also heard the stuff about Nebraska "being faster this year" 
>    before, too.  We heard about it with the teams with Brod Thomas and 
>    Mike Croel and that other DE Walker (first name?) and, sure, those 
>    defenses were faster than previous editions but they were small and 
>    just ended up getting pushed all over the field.  Like Trev Alberts 
>    and Donta Jones those guys were fine players too but once again the 
>    depth is not there...
 
Croel, Walker, and Thomas did have very good speed. 2 of those 3 play Sundays
now. (Did Walker pick up with another team after the Donkys let him go?) That
speaks for itself. But I am talking about TEAM speed. Not the speed of a few
standout individuals. I will say it again, man for man down the roster this 
team has better speed than any other Husker squad. Period.

Ask Charles Johnson if NU's secondary is better now that 2 or 3 years ago.

The weather was a big factor in the NU/OU game. Have you asked yourself why
OU went away form pass/run balance also? Forget the icy cold, the wind was
blowing like crazy. It was a very difficult enviornment to pass the ball. YOu
would have seen more passing from both teams if the wind had not been so
strong. My point is, NU can't run against a good team without balance. Give
NU's defense and special teams credit for pinning OU inside the 15 yard line
for most of the 4th quarter. My point is, don't judge NU by that one weather
factor game.

Glenn, I will not convince you and you will not convince me. As usuall, you and
I are diametricaly opposed in our viewpoints. That's the way it is. This will
not change. However, I'm wright more than you are.   ;^)  <---- Please Note
                                                                Smily Face!!!

By the way, I'm sure the weather (and babes) in Hawaii will be very good
for the, uh, whats the name of that unimportant bowl?  Tee he heeee!

Husker Henderson

Now one thing that most people this side of bettors are wishing for is a
good game between Florida St and Nebraska.

I like the angle of Bowden never winning the big game. It'll be
interesting how this will be hyped.

TTom

> Glenn, Glenn old friend, you HATE Nebraska, so your opinions are at least as
> biased as mine!
    
    Now, now, Marty, didn't your strong-valued good-hearted Midwestern
    schoolmarms teach you that HATE is a pretty strong word indeed?  Naw, 
    I can't really "hate" Nebraska like in the old days.  Like some of the
    Colorado fans in here, I'll be rooting for Nebraska even though I see
    absolutely no hope, but sure, I'll be holding my nose while doing so...
    
    glenn
    

Glenn, would you be prepared to take a lie-detector test on that hate thing?

;^)

Well, as is always the case - time will tell which one of us is right.

  Nebraska '93 "We Refuse to Lose"

Marty

    I'm hoping for a dull 21-20 game with WVU turtling and ND
    collectivizing them Aggies.
    
    Cain you say co-champs?
    
    MikeL
    
    
    

    
    	This Colorado fan doesn't hate NU.  I do take it upon myself
    	to respond to some of the drivel I see spewed by some NU fans
    	though.
    
    	I'll be rootin' for NU regardless of the snide comments concerning
    	CU's bowl game......  Go Big 8!
    
    Claybone

>    I'm hoping for a dull 21-20 game with WVU turtling and ND
>    collectivizing them Aggies.
    
>    Cain you say co-champs?
    
>    MikeL

There are several possibilities:

NU and WVU win - Possible split championship and 3 undefeated teams.
FSU and ND win - Possible split championship or ND championship since they
                 beat FSU.
FSU, ND, WVU win - Who knows? I suppose it would come down to who wins the
                   biggest.
FSU win, ND, WVU lose - FSU national champs
NU wins, WVU lose - Nebraska national champs

We need a playoff...

Husker Henderson

    
>    	This Colorado fan doesn't hate NU.  I do take it upon myself
>    	to respond to some of the drivel I see spewed by some NU fans
>    	though.
    
>    	I'll be rootin' for NU regardless of the snide comments concerning
>    	CU's bowl game......  Go Big 8!
    
>    Claybone

When Dave Logan (KOA Radio Denver) was confronted about McCartney's plea for
a kinder, gentler Colorado press and fandom, he replied something like "but
this is FOOTBALL, It's supposed to be tough."

Well Claybone, sorry "but this is FOOTBALL, It's supposed to be tough."

I know you did not make the same statement Logan did BUT, geesh guys, you ride
me ALL THE TIME in here! So don't whine when I give a little back. OK? Nothing
personal, of course. And don't worry, you WILL have your chances to get back
at me in the future. What goes around...

I will be rooting for OU and CU in their bowls as well. The Big-8 needs some
bowl wins. Huskers have a chance but...

Husker Henderson

Hey! NU is #1 for the rest of this year at least!   ;^)

    
    	So, now you're telling me what tough is?  heh heh....
    
    	Not agreeing with you is called riding you huh?  Whatever....
    
    Claybone

  To change the subject....

  Colorado is goin to Aloha land without 4 players including 3 of the 4
  starting defensive backs. But, even more importantly, Ralphie has also been
  suspended fer the game and won't make the trip either.

  Here's what happened: Dwayne Davis was suspended after the ISU game cuz
  he took a couple of swings at a ISU player who was already punchin one of his 
  teammates, Sam Rodgers. Some Davis's teammates weren't too happy because
  Davis was coming to the aid of one of his teammates. Also, Davis is a 5th
  year senior and was never in any trouble in the past. Then, 5th year 
  senior Dennis Collier came back from Thanksgiving vacation one day late
  because he couldn't get an earlier flight. He missed a day of practice so
  he wus suspended for the next game(Aloha Bowl). This also ticked off a few
  players so 5th year senior Greg Lindsey just jumped up and said he quit
  out of sympathy for his teammates. He also played in the defensive backfield.
  Yesterday, 5th year senior, Jeff Bruner also quit but for different reasons.
  After his sophmore year, he was a pre-season All-Big 8 prospect at nose 
  tackle. But he had a serious knee injury last year and came back this year 
  but was never quite the same and couldn't get into the starting lineup. 
  He just said he lost his passion for the game and couldn't put his whole 
  heart into practicing for the Aloha Bowl.

  Now this brings us to Ralphie. Evidently, the cost was just too much and 
  there wus some real concerns about his safety and health. Plus, a mature
  Buffalo has never been flown across an ocean before and nobody wus in a 
  hurry to be the first to try.

  Well, the Coloradi morale is very low now that 4 5th year seniors and Ralphie
  are staying behind. Also, they'll be playing against one of the better
  QB's in the nation, Trent Dilpher. The CU defensive backfield hasn't been 
  able to stop a good passer all year and now they've got to stop one of the
  best with 3 newcomers.

  I expect a closer game than most people expect.

	Keith

Good info, Keith. Thanks.

Fresno St was no pushover to begin with. They had considerable success on
offense.

TTom

>  Well, the Coloradi morale is very low now that 4 5th year seniors and Ralphie
>  are staying behind. Also, they'll be playing against one of the better
>  QB's in the nation, Trent Dilpher. The CU defensive backfield hasn't been 
>  able to stop a good passer all year and now they've got to stop one of the
>  best with 3 newcomers.

>  I expect a closer game than most people expect.

>	Keith

Maybee the young guys are better than the old guys. They sure can't be much
worse, even with their inexperience. 

So has McCartney just started this military type dictatorship and the players
are having a difficult time with it? Or has it always been this way, and now
that CU is not going to a major bowl (and did not win 4 games) the players 
find McCartney difficult to take? 

It's an honest question.

Husker Henderson

    
>    	So, now you're telling me what tough is?  heh heh....
    
>    	Not agreeing with you is called riding you huh?  Whatever....
    
>    Claybone

And your calling what I say (hidden by you in the protective context of 
"some NU fans")"drivel" "spewed" (22.400) is not riding me?

Yea "Whatever...." riiiggghhhhhttttt! What you say about me then, must be
some sort of criticism based on fact, and what I say about you is "drivel"
"spewed". Pretty self-righteous thinking dude. But then again, how can I 
blame you personally - the Denver press brainwashes you to think that way.


Husker Henderson

>                -< Claybone, are you a disciple of Coach Mac? >-

	Negative.

>And your calling what I say (hidden by you in the protective context of 
>"some NU fans")"drivel" "spewed" (22.400) is not riding me?

	I believe I qualified that by saying "some of the notes" or
	something to that effect.  I agree with you sometimes believe
	it or not (like your last note about CU crumbling - more
	later on that).  Some of the stuff you enter is drivel IMHO.
	You know what they say about opinions though.  Notice I addressed
	your notes.....

>Yea "Whatever...." riiiggghhhhhttttt! What you say about me then, must be
>some sort of criticism based on fact, and what I say about you is "drivel"
>"spewed". Pretty self-righteous thinking dude. But then again, how can I 
>blame you personally - the Denver press brainwashes you to think that way.

	What have I ever said about "YOU" pal.  I'm not the one who
	told all the CU fans to "eat you know what".  You haven't
	exactly endeared yourself with not accepting NU's defeats to
	CU in the past.  It's always the refs this, the refs that,
	the ghost of Sal or whatever.  You ridicule CU for going to
	a lesser bowl.  I guess this is what's "tough" huh?  

	The Denver Press has no access to my brain cells.  I can make
	up my mind on my own.

	I haven't noticed you saying anything about *me* until you
	just called me self righteous.  How is it you equate CU as
	some entity with the name of Clay Wade and NU as another
	one named Marty Henderson?  You're confused.  Quit taking
	criticism of NU personally.......

	As far as CU crumbling, I think you've hit on something.  I
	was just wondering the same thing.  Those players quitting has
	got to make those recruits wonder what it's like to play for
	Coach Mac.

	However, after the Miami fiasco, Coach Mac made a rule concerning
	fighting:  You fight, you sit the next one out.  That was the
	case with the first DB.  The 2cd one missed a practice.  There
	was already a rule in place for that and he knew it.  The 3rd
	quit in protest over treatment of the other two.  Noble I guess.
	His choice.

	Things could be on the way down for CU I'm afraid.  They need
	another good year to bolster recruiting and the above incidents
	sure don't help.

Claybone

    Hey, on the other hand McCartney could have just stuck his head in the
    sand and remained aloof and above it all as an "educator", like Dr. Tom
    did in the 1980s when IRVING FRYAR was terrorizing the campus and all
    those incoming pencil-necked 200-lb kids were transformed into outgoing 
    300-lb monsters under the "revolutionary weight program" in place at
    Nebraska.  They wrote a book about it, you know.  Has McCartney had a
    book published about his program?
    
    glenn
    

    
    	Ohmygosh glenn, you mean Dr. Tom may not be the classy guy I
    	always thought he was?  I kinda started wondering when he 
    	started whining about CU getting to play non Florida teams
    	in the Orang Bowl but this could just about be the clincher
    	that would cause me to not root for NU and take tremendous
    	glee in watching FSU stomp the teetotalin' bajeezus outa
    	them huskers.....  Please keep me posted of any further
    	transgressions!  :*)
    
    Claybone

< Claybones reply to my reply about personal slams deleted >

I'm getting off that thread. It's a rathole. Neither of us will, uh can, win.

>	As far as CU crumbling, I think you've hit on something.  I
>	was just wondering the same thing.  Those players quitting has
>	got to make those recruits wonder what it's like to play for
>	Coach Mac.

Yes. Very bad timing - just as recruiting starts heating up.

>	However, after the Miami fiasco, Coach Mac made a rule concerning
>	fighting:  You fight, you sit the next one out.  That was the
>	case with the first DB.  The 2cd one missed a practice.  There
>	was already a rule in place for that and he knew it.  The 3rd
>	quit in protest over treatment of the other two.  Noble I guess.
>	His choice.

I agree in principal with Mac's ideas about discipline. But perhaps some
moderation is in order? Heck, if some guy is hitting my teammate I'm not 
just gonna stand by and watch. The kid that missed practice seems to have
a good excuse. Did he call and notify that he would be late? With some 
common sense case-by-case treatment then perhaps the last situation could
have been avoided also.

>	Things could be on the way down for CU I'm afraid.  They need
>	another good year to bolster recruiting and the above incidents
>	sure don't help.

Every big college football program needs EVERY year to bolster recruiting.
It's extremely difficult to stay competitive at a national level year after
year. (NU does deserve respect for that by the way) One or two bad years and
the losses grow. As the losses grow it gets harder to recruit.

I would not write CU off right now. I feel they will remain competitive. 
Don't forget, without McCartney they are still having 2-8 seasons.

By the way - the book your talking about (I forgot the name and author) is
a big unsubstantiated joke.

Husker Henderson

>	was just wondering the same thing.  Those players quitting has
>	got to make those recruits wonder what it's like to play for
>	Coach Mac.

  On the other hand, the father of one of the state's top recruits was reported
  as saying that he really admired what Mac has done the last few days
  and as a result is really encouraging his son to attend CU. The bottom line 
  is that we'll have to wait and see how recruiting goes. Mac's coaching
  abilities have been questioned many times in the past but he is widely 
  recognized as one of the best recruiters in the business.
  
  I do know one thing, this is supposed to be one of the best years ever for
  recruiting in Colorado. Mac has said that he wouldn't even go out of state
  if he was sure he could land the top 15 players in Colorado. The last I 
  heard, CU was high on all of the top recruit's lists except for QB Ryan 
  Clement. Clement has been ranked as the nations top overall talent by some 
  recruiting guru's. Miami, FSU, ND and Stanford are all druelling over him.
  But, I just heard that there's a good chance that Johnny Majors and Pitt may
  land him.

	Keith  

>  I do know one thing, this is supposed to be one of the best years ever for
>  recruiting in Colorado.

Yea right. We hear this EVERY year. Another Denver Post/KOA/TV4 media creation.
Grain of salt.

Henderson

    
    	I'm just curious Marty, do you live in Denver by chance?
    
    Claybone

    Concerning the suspensions at CU....
    
    I have been a fan of college football for sometime.  Mainly it is
    because of the rivalries, atmosphere, student athletes and the fact
    the players are still amatures.  Over the last few years fighting has
    climbed to a serious level.  I remember the big fight this past year
    concerning Georgia and Georgia Tech and also a very big fight with
    CU and Miami.  Here in the Colorado area and really across the nation;
    There was a cry for disciplinary action for fighting during a game.
    When coach Mac and his staff looked at films of Miami and CU they
    decided to make and enforce a no fighting rule or you will miss the
    next game.  Now I know that in athletic competion especially football
    emotions run high and "shit happens", but somewhere a line must be
    drawn.  The cornerback in questions came to the aid of a fellow
    teammate after a play during the ISU game.  The player was thrown out
    of the game.  Hence the rule was enforced, unfortunately the next game
    is a bowl game in Hawaii.  Tough loss but SOMETHING must be done.  The
    player will be missed but do we want to curb fighting or just pay lip
    service.
    
    Also with respect to the cornerback who was late.  He missed his flight
    to Colorado and took it upon himself to not fly standby or call the
    team to let them know what happened.  The player also missed classes
    due to the missed flight.  I know that there is some questions about
    the financial status of the players family (they don't have much
    money).  The media here and some fans believe that Mac should let the
    kid go and play football in his last game at CU.  Again a rule is in 
    place for such behavior.   I do not personally believe that should
    happen.  What do you tell the kids who busted their butts to get back
    on time for school and practice?  Lets not forget that these players on 
    FULL-RIDE scholarships to attend CU as students first and football players 
    second.                          
    
    
    To me one of the problems is that CU did not have as good a year as
    planned and as was possible.

    messed up a sentence sorry,  sentence should read:
    
    Unfortunately the next game is the bowl game.
    

    I missed a class but I PAID for my own education thank-you!!!
    
    Frank Mendez
    

    As was related in 14.457 there exists a real problem with the profits
    reaped by universities from student atheletes along with said st-ath
    responsibilies.  Frank, you do have a point but there is another point
    of view not always considered.
    
    I would like to see the major sports draft right out of high school and
    pay salaries and tuition while there future minions metriculate.  Idea
    I know is ridiculous and undoable but it would remove a lot of
    hypocrisy and other headaches (such as title X (or is it IX).

>    I think this being suspended for missing a class is another stupid
>    rule.  

  He was suspended for missing practice, not for missing a class.

  The rules concerning practice after Thanksgiving were spelled out very 
  clearly back in August. He came back 2 days late. The other team members 
  were back on time and some flew standby to do so. Mac even told the guy if
  he would have tried to come back standby and was unsuccessful, he would not
  have suspended him. 

  I can't fault the coach here. Either you have rules or you don't.

  The defensive backfield was the weakest link in the team. They received a lot
  of criticism throughout the year and most were 5th year seniors. Throughout
  their careers, they sat behind Deon Figures and Ronnie Bradford waiting for
  their chance. When they got their chance, it didn't turn out as good as they
  expected. I think we're just seeing the results of their frustration.

  So, now CU must face one of the best QB's in the nation with 3 redshirt
  freshman in the defensive backfield.

	Keith

Right, Mac.

Vanover from Florida St was given a week off by Bobby Bowden so he could
rest for Florida. Seems he was too tired to both go to practice and go to
class. ;-)

TTom

  I don't think there's any coach in college football who will suspend a
  player who is in good academic standing and cuts a few classes. But if
  a player is a marginal student and is caught cuttin classes, I'd have to 
  support any coach who suspends that player.

	Keith  

    
    	You guys are violating the principle of universality:  Treat
    	everyone the same.  No exceptions.
    
    	Can you tell I'm just finishing up an Ethics class?  :*)
    
    Claybone

    RE: 420
    I really believe that college athletics for the most part is interested
    in the money.  For example look at the bowl matchups:  Kansas State
    should be at the aloha bowl, Colorado should be at the Sun bowl and
    Oklahoma should be at no better than the copper bowl.  But because
    of some schools drawing better than others Kansas State gets the
    shaft.
    
    With the state of College football;  I would be pleased to see a school
    such as Auburn end up with the MNC.  Lets face it Auburn is not the
    only offender of NCAA rules.  They were just caught.  And right now
    they have played the best football to date.
    
    As long as College athletics is considered amature athletics we need
    some changes in pay.  I for one don't really care for the "NCAA", but
    that is what were stuck with.  Maybe the Universities can help to
    institute some other benefits to the athletes.  

    
>    With the state of College football;  I would be pleased to see a school
>    such as Auburn end up with the MNC.  Lets face it Auburn is not the
>    only offender of NCAA rules.  They were just caught.  And right now
>    they have played the best football to date.
    
    Baloney.  Auburn wasn't just caught breaking some minor rules, like
    giving T-shirts and shoes away to recruits or something; they were
    caught forking over large piles of cash.  I don't believe this kind of
    activity is something that everybody or even most schools engage in.
    
    glenn
    

    Glenn, 
    	You say "Most" are not paying students and Mendez(Joe?) says Auburn
    is not the only one.
    	I will guess about 20 are doing it in the sense that the better
    players cash in.  It's probably easier today to simply pay the cash
    outright than to get fancy about it.  But this is an assumption on my
    part.
    	More to the point is ncaa big time sports need to pay the athletes
    in basketball and football or else not profit by their labor.  The
    current system is a sham.
    

    Re: .428
    
    I will admit that I am only assuming that Auburn is not the only one.
    I happen to believe that is a correct assumption.  Maybe Auburn should
    have appealed the sanctions in court and drug the process for about
    5-10 years ala UNLV.  What a sham.  The team that pounded Duke in
    the finals should have been suspended.  Of course what would you do
    with all that money that UNLV made for college basketball in general.
    
    I don't know whats going on but you cannot get me to believe that in
    most cases its sneakers and t-shirts!!!
    
    Frank Mendez
    

From:	DECPA::"huskers@notes.tssi.com" "MAIL-11 Daemon" 14-DEC-1993 10:17:59.28
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As has already been reported, Trev Alberts won the Butkis award, by a
substantial margin.  (One of the other finalists was from Florida State.)

When Trev was in New York to accept his postgraduate scholarship award, he
was roomed with a player from FSU.  They didn't talk about the upcoming game,
and the FSU guy said that Trev was an OK roommate except that he had to get
up a half hour earlier to help him get dressed.  (This isn't a putdown, 
although it could certainly SOUND like one, because at the time Trev still
had his right arm in a cast.)

Trivia note:  The last time that a team had the Heisman winner and won a
national championship was 1976, when Tony Dorsett and Pitt won.

Alberts will start undergoing rehab therapy to try to regain flexibility and
strength in his arm this week, and might be able to practice the final week 
before the Orange Bowl.  Osborne says that his playing status will be up to 
the team doctors, and will also depend on whether Alberts has sufficient 
practice to beat out his backup.  He will suit up for the game.

Other injury notes:  TE Gerald Armstrong is still hampered by a sprained ankle,
limiting his practice time.  WB Clester Johnson's ankle is healing; he has
started running and may resume practice on Friday.  RT Brenden Stai, who broke
a leg back in October, has also started running.  Roverback Mike Minter has
returned to practice after spraining an ankle last week. 

The Huskers had a 90 minute workout on Monday, and will practice three more 
times in Lincoln before leaving for Miami on Dec 22nd.

Recruiting coordinator Dave Gillespie says that recruiting seems to be
getting a boost from Nebraska's national championship chances.  10 players
have visited the campus so far, another 20 to 25 are due in this weeekend.
(And Lincoln got 4 inches of snow last night.) Verbal committments have 
been rceived from three in-state linemen, Travis Toline from Wahoo, Ted 
Butler from Lincoln Southeast, and Brandt Wade from Springfield Plattview.
Recruiting is ahead of last season, mainly because the trip to Japan last
December took most of the coaches out of contact with recruits for nearly
a week.

With a big road game against Michigan State next on the schedule, Danny Nee
is hoping that his team looks better than they did in wins against Creighton
and Wichita State last week, where they had sluggish first half performances
that belied the final point totals.  There have been reports in the media that
suggest Nee is considering scheduling two games against Creighton next season.

Missouri and Kansas are apparently talking about switching to the Big Ten 
conference, which would increase the chances of a merger between the Big 
Eight and the Southwest conference.


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  There was a very interesting editorial in the Sports section of today's
  Rocky Mtn News by Bob Kravitz. I often disagree with Kravitz and sometimes
  I think he's a jerk. But I must admit, today's editorial does open the door 
  for an interesting discussion. 

  First, a little background. Last year, all of CU's sports teams have been 
  ranked in the national top 25 except the men's basketball team. As we all 
  know, the CU men's basketball team, under Joe Harrington, stinks. In fact, 
  I'll be surprised if they even win one game in the Big 8 this year. 
  Meanwhile, the women's basketball team came from nowhere to be a national 
  power under the direction of Ceal Barry. Last year, the school doubled
  Barry's salary. In fact, the women's basketball team(6-0) has been selling 
  more tickets than the men's team and the women's volleyball team isn't far 
  behind in ticket sales. 

  Well, Kravitz came out and said that CU should fire Harrington and hire Ceal
  Barry as the men's basketball coach. Well, some of you may think that
  Kravitz was joking around but actually he was very serious and went on to 
  try to make the best case he could as to why a woman like Ceal Barry could 
  succeed as the coach of the men's basketball team. My own opinion is that I 
  don't really know if she could be successful or not. She certainly couldn't 
  do any worse than Harrington. The only way you would really know is to try it.
  If I was the athletic director, I would not make a move like that simply 
  because I wouldn't want to mess with a succesfull women's basketball program. 
  I will say one thing about Barry. If I was going to rate all of the CU
  coaches from the golf team to the football team, I would have to say that
  Barry is the best coach the school has.

  So what's everybody think. Is men's college basketball ready for a woman
  coach ?

	Keith 

    
    	I think so, however, what makes you (that's the proverbial you)
    	think Ceal would *want* to coach the men's team.  Are they more
    	important than the women's team?  Just trying to see this from
    	a different angle.....
    
    Claybone

    Kentucky has a woman as an Assistant Coach and that has worked out
    well. That is not the same thing as a Head Coach but there is a bit of
    a precedent already at a powerhouse basketball school.
    
    The Crazy met
    

>    	I think so, however, what makes you (that's the proverbial you)
>    	think Ceal would *want* to coach the men's team.  
    
  I have no idea if Barry would be interested in coachinmg the men's team.
  The only reference I have seen to this topic was in the editorial by 
  Kravitz. If I was Barry, I doubt that I would want to switch jobs.

>	Are they more important than the women's team?  Just trying to see 
>	this from a different angle.....

  Well, in politically correct terms, they are not more important. But when you
  look at the bottom line, the men's team is more important. Let me explain.
  While women's basketball has been drawing more people each year and the 
  quality of play has been improving, the major focus is still on mens 
  basketball. I.E. they are on ESPN and national TV all the time(more $$
  for the university). While the women's team is selling more tickets, they 
  still rarely sell all the tickets for the Coors Event Center. Meanwhile,
  most successful men's college basketball teams sell out every home game.
  Add to this, all of the money for concessions, T-shirts, ball caps etc.
  and we see that a successful men's college basketball team has more potential
  for revenue for the university. So in that respect, they are more important.
  This may all change as women's basketball continues to improve.(I remember 
  when women's tennis was just a side show for the men). But at least
  for the next 5-10 years, the men's team will still be more important in
  terms of revenue potential(which dictates the decisions of most athletic 
  directors).

  Barry switching coaching jobs is one of those things that I don't want to
  see happen but it sure would be interesting if she did.

	Keith

Whre has she been getting the players to improve the women's team? In-state or
out of state? 

The competition for top flight male basketball talent is considerably greater
than female talent. Is she a good enough coach that she can take in-state
average talent and turn it into a good team, is she a good enough recruiter
that she can convince good talent to come to CU and turn the program around?
Why would a good player want to play for her?

How are the basketball facilities at CU? What does CU have to offer a recruit
to encourage them to come there?


Just a few reminders that there is alot more to coaching in the college ranks
than being good with x's and o's.


Metz

    
    Metz,
    
    	She's been getting good talent from right here in Colorado Springs.
    	We've had a couple of local gals (who were All State) go up to 
    	Boulder and make an impact on the program.
    
    Keith,
    
    	I'm not trying to nail you for anything.  I was just pointing out
    	that she *might* even take offense to such a suggestion (ie the
    	men's team being more important).  Yuck!  I'm being PC!  :*)
    
    	Local product Damon(sp?) Page busted a backboard the other night.
    	My source tells me he's making a necklace out of the pieces.  :*)
    
    Claybone

>Whre has she been getting the players to improve the women's team? In-state or
>out of state? 

  The last few years is when they stepped into national prominance. They
  did it with mostly Colorado women, a few from Texas and one very good
  player from Iowa. So, for the most part, it has been regional recruiting.
  Last year, they started ranked 20th and moved as high as 4th and finished 
  somewhere around 7th. With a good year, Barry was able to step up recruiting 
  and landed a 1st team and a 2nd team Parade All-American. The 1st teamer, 
  Erin Sholtz, from Co Springs, is stepping up right away and making an impact 
  in her first year. She's ranked near the top in all of the team statistics. 
  Their 2nd team Parade All-American is from Utah and she's injured
  and will most likely red-shirt. Last year was the first time they recruited
  any players of national prominance.

>Is she a good enough coach that she can take in-state
>average talent and turn it into a good team, is she a good enough recruiter
>that she can convince good talent to come to CU and turn the program around?
>Why would a good player want to play for her?

  Well, she's already taken average talent and produced some good teams.
  But doing that for a men's team may be a lot tougher.

>How are the basketball facilities at CU? What does CU have to offer a recruit
>to encourage them to come there?

  The Coors Event Center, where they play, was built recently and the Dal 
  Ward Training/Medical facility is used by all of the student athletes and is
  considered one of the best in the country.

  But you did bring up a good question. How effective could a women be in
  recruiting players whose prime consideration is "how are you going to help me
  get into the NBA ?" In the editorial by Kravitz, he said that all players
  would certainly remember her recruiting trip(although, I'm sure some would
  just laugh it off). Since many prospects come from single parent families,
  the mother may take a liking to a female coach with impeccable character
  and encourage her son to play for her. In addition to a possible gender
  controversy, I'm sure she would face many of the same problems that any 
  new coach faces when he/she takes over a horrible team.

  Whenever you watch Barry's team, you get the impression that she really knows
  what she's doing. They play agressive defense, pass the ball well, wait for 
  the right shot, have few turnovers and don't have any selfish players or
  controversy. Harrington's team is the exact opposite. BTW, I believe Barry
  came from a basketball family where her father coached and her brothers 
  played college ball. 

	Keith

>    Keith,
    
>    	I'm not trying to nail you for anything.  

  I know that. But please don't hold anything back next time Marty gets
  outta line.

	Keith

Hey now! I do not get out of line. It's just a matter of perspective.   ;^)

Here is some Husker Football and Hoops news from the Internet...

From:	DECPA::"huskers@notes.tssi.com" "MAIL-11 Daemon" 19-DEC-1993 14:20:34.74
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The Nebraska Men's basketball team may have won their most important road
victory in Danny Nee's 7 years as head coach with a 85-81 win over Michigan 
State yesterday.  The Huskers led 47-35 at halftime, but an 18-0 surge
in the 2nd half gave Michigan State a 57-54 lead with 13:34 remaining.  But
the Huskers put together a 0-9 streak of their own to take a 73-67 lead with 
5:23 left.  Key rebounds by Chubick and Strickland kept the pressure on.  When
Michigan State sank a 3 pointer with 1.7 seconds left to bring the score to 
83-81, both teams used time outs and then Piatkowski heaved a long pass 
downcourt to Jaron Boone, who scored at the buzzer.

Chubick had a career high 19 points.

Nebraska got a measure of revenge, they lost in the first game played at
the Breslin Center in East Lansing when it opened four years ago, and now
they are only the second non-conference opponent to win there.

"We had as happy a locker room as I've ever been around," said Nee. "The
NCAA Committe can't take away this one at the end of the season because I
still feel they'll be in the tournament."  

Michigan State is ranked 26th in the USA Today poll.

Those fans who watched the final moments of Tom Osborne's 200th win on ESPN
may remember Osborne getting a Gatoraid shower courtesy of Kevin Ramaekers.
Osborne got his revenge Saturday on Kevin's 24th birthday, dumping a bucket
of ice water on Kevin at the end of practice, with the help of some defensive
linemen. 

Ice water vendetta notwithstanding, the practice was quite intense.  Minor
ankle sprains were suffered by Zach Wiegert, and Ed Stewart.  Calvin Jones and
Damon Benning both sprained an ankle on Friday, but all four players should be 
ready to return to practice on Tuesday, as will consensus All-American and 
Butkis Award winner Trev Alberts.  Fullback Kyle Emsick also sprained a knee on
Saturday.

Taking a page from the Florida State playbook, Nebraska will hold morning
workouts in Florida, which wil have the fringe benefit of curtailing late
night 'activities'.

Eight players graduated on Saturday:  Mike Anderson, Darren Williams, Ernie
Beler, Byron Bennett, Mike Heins, Jim Prevette, Lorenz Brinkley, and
Dave Fiala.  Jerry Irons, a scholarship player who had a career-ending
injury, also graduated Saturday.  Alberts, Trumane Bell, Troy Branch,
Lance Gray, and Kevin Ramaekers graduated last summer.  22 of 29 seniors
are on schedule to graduate by next spring.
--
Mike Nolan


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Article 64930 of rec.sport.football.college:

Nebraska's bowl history:

year    bowl            teams-score
1992-93 Orange          FloridaSt       27      Nebraska        14
1991-92 Orange          Miami(FL)       22      Nebraska        0
1990-91 Citrus          GeorgiaTech     45      Nebraska        21
1989-90 Fiesta          FloridaSt       41      Nebraska        17
1988-89 Orange          Miami(FL)       23      Nebraska        3
1987-88 Fiesta          FloridaSt       31      Nebraska        28
1986-87 Sugar           Nebraska        30      LouisianaSt     15
1985-86 Fiesta          Michigan        27      Nebraska        23
1984-85 Sugar           Nebraska        28      LouisianaSt     10
1983-84 Orange          Miami(FL)       31      Nebraska        30
1982-83 Orange          Nebraska        21      LouisianaSt     20
1981-82 Orange          Clemson         22      Nebraska        15
1980-81 JohnHancock/Sun Nebraska        31      MississippiSt   17
1979-80 Cotton          Houston         17      Nebraska        14
1978-79 Orange          Oklahoma        31      Nebraska        24
1977-78 Liberty         Nebraska        21      NorthCarolina   17
1976-77 Bluebonnet      Nebraska        27      TexasTech       24
1975-76 Fiesta          ArizonaSt       17      Nebraska        14
1974-75 Sugar           Nebraska        13      Florida         10
1973-74 Cotton          Nebraska        19      Texas           3
1972-73 Orange          Nebraska        40      NotreDame       6
1971-72 Orange          Nebraska        38      Alabama         6
1970-71 Orange          Nebraska        17      LouisianaSt     12
1969-70 JohnHancock/Sun Nebraska        45      Georgia         6
1966-67 Sugar           Alabama         34      Nebraska        7
1965-66 Orange          Alabama         39      Nebraska        28
1964-65 Cotton          Arkansas        10      Nebraska        7
1963-64 Orange          Nebraska        13      Auburn          7
1962-63 Gotham          Nebraska        36      Miami(FL)       34
1954-55 Orange          Duke            34      Nebraska        7
1940-41 Rose            Stanford        21      Nebraska        13

Teams by wins:
Team                    Record  Pct.            Most recent

Alabama                 25-17-3 .589            1993, Sugar
USC                     22-13-0 .629            1992, Freedom
Oklahoma                19-10-1 .650            1991, Gator
Tennessee               18-15-0 .546            1992, Hall of Fame
Georgia Tech            17-8-0  .680            1991, Aloha
Penn St.                17-10-2 .621            1992, Blockbuster
Texas                   16-16-2 .500            1990, Cotton
Georgia                 15-13-3 .532            1993, Citrus
Mississippi             14-11-0 .560            1992, Liberty
Nebraska                14-17-0 .452            1993, Orange
Florida St.             13-7-2  .636            1993, Orange

From:	DECPA::"huskers@notes.tssi.com" "MAIL-11 Daemon" 21-DEC-1993 23:15:48.02
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Erma Osborne, Tom Osborne's mother, died Monday in Hastings.  She was 86.  
Services are scheduled for Wednesday in Hastings.  Coach Osborne will
depart for Miami later in the day.  Osborne's father died in 1984.

The first 2000 fans who show up at the Lincoln airport Wednesday morning
to help see the football team off to Miami will receive a 'Refuse to Lose' 
T-shirt, hat, or towel, courtesy of Runza Restaurants and Art Wears 
Screenprinting, in return for a donation of food or $1 to the Lincoln Food 
Bank.  The team leaves at around 8AM.

The Huskers cruised to a 86-61 victory over Florida A&M Monday night, bringing
their record to 7-2.  After completing over 1/3 of their season in just 24
days, the team now has a 10 day layoff before playing Northern Iowa New 
Year's Eve.  Their Big Eight Conference opener is January 3rd, at Iowa State.

Nebraska baseball player Darin Erstad will have his athletic scholarship
switched from baseball to football during semester break.  NCAA rules require
that any scholarship player participating in men's football or basketball
counts agains the scholarship limit for that sport.  Erstad is a kicker.
Byron Bennet, the primary kicker for the past two seasons, has used up his
eligibility.  Erstad will continue to play outfield for the baseball team,
but will practice with the football team when he can this spring, and will
have two years of eligibility left for football.

The Nebraska women's basketball team lost to Depaul 65-57 in the first round
of the San Juan Shootout.

Editorial:  I try to be unbiased about Nebraska's chances in the Orange
Bowl, but I think Florida State may have been a bit premature in retiring
Charlie Ward's number last week, _before_ their January 1st 'National
Championship' showdown against Nebraska.
---
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  Coach Mac had his Aloha bowl radio show last night on KOA. This was the
  first time I've heard him push for a college football playoff. In the past,
  he was always in favor of the bowl system. He proposed a 16 team format
  with 4 regional championships. The regional champs would then go to the final
  4. The locations of the games for the final 4 would change every year and
  stadiums in the north would be used in addition to southern stadiums.
  With regional championships he thinks that some great rivalrys will
  develope. Also, Hawaii is pushing a simple straight forward playoff.
  The president of CU, Judith Albino, will be chairing a discussion to be
  held with most college athletic directors and presidents later this year. 
  Considering what Mac is saying, I'll bet she'll push for a playoff system 
  and since she is the chairperson, she may carry a little more weight than 
  some of the other participants. I think the wheels are in motion for a 
  playoff and I think we'll finally see it sometime in the near future. 
  It's about time.

  On Mac's show, they also talked about a possible Big 8 SWC merger. Mac
  said that it would not be 16 team conference but rather a 10-12 team
  conference. Behind the lines you get the impression the Big 8 is really 
  only interested in Texas A&M and Texas but they may also accept Baylor 
  and Texas Tech. The other SWC teams would be left out in the cold. There 
  are rumors that BYU would join this new conference. Also, there have been 
  rumors about Kansas and Missouri going over to the Big 10. Missouri has 
  wanted to do this for a long time but they have the worst athletic 
  facilities in the Big 8 so the Big 10 has never really jumped on the 
  bandwagon to include them. However, Kansas is atractive to the Big 10 
  since they are a basketball power and have an improving football program.
  I hope Kansas stays in the Big 8 but I really don't care what Missouri does.
  In the past, there was rumors that the PAC-10 wanted CU to join their
  conference but lately these rumors have died out.

	Keith

regional is a bad idea unless it is like the NCAA basketball tournament
where they simply play in 4 regions. With 16 teams it is very likely that
one region may only have 2 powerhouse teams.

The Crazy Met

From:	DECPA::"huskers@notes.tssi.com" "MAIL-11 Daemon"  2-JAN-1994 20:21:35.72
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No story line, you know it already.  

Tom Osborne will go fishing in a few weeks, some time after the February 2nd
National Letter of Intent signing day.  When he does, he'll probably reflect
on the Big One that he had landed in the boat, but it flipped itself out
and got away.

I think that before the Big Eight's contract with the Orange Bowl expires,
after the 1995 game, they should think seriously about whether this is the
best place for them, rather than just renew the pact.  Where _did_ they find 
those refs??  I've seen better refs in 8 man football!  21 penalties in a
national championship game?

                        FSU          NU
First Downs              22          20
Rushes-yards          24-47      44-183
Passing yards           286         280
Total yards             333         389
Passing             24-43-0     13-25-2
Return yards             21          18
Punts                6-45.2      7-38.4
Fumbles-lost            0-0         2-0
Penalties-yards       10-69      11-115
Time of possession    27:03       32:57
Third-down conv.       1-12        7-16
Fourth-down conv.       1-1         0-0

Rushing-NU:  Frazier 14-77, Phillips 13-64, Jones 9-28, Benning 5-10,
             Makovicka 2-7, Dixon 1-2
Rushing-FSU: Floyd 7-53, Dunn 1-3, Ward 8-(-3), Jackson 8-(-6)
Passing-NU:  Frazier 24-13-206-2, Jones 1-0-0-0
Passing-FSU: Ward 43-24-286-0
Receiving-NU: Bell 4-75, Dixon 3-50, Johnson 3-40, Baul 1-34, Muhammad 1-14,
              Jones 1-(-7)
Receiving-FSU: Knox 5-99, McCorvey 5-70, Frier 5-46, Vanover 6-48, DUnn 2-30,
               Floyd 1-(-7)
Punting-NU:  Bennett 7-269
Punting-FSU: Liss 6-271
Punt Returns-NU: Dixon 2-12, Moss 2-6
Kickoff Returns-NU: Benning 2-39, Miles 1-23
Kickoff Returns-FSU: Coes 1-21, Abraham 1-0
Interception Returns-FSU: Coes 1-21, Abraham 1-0

Bobby Bowden, for your penance sing three choruses of 'There is No Place
Like Nebraska'.
---
Mike Nolan


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    Nebraska could have and probably should have won that game!
    
    Where the hell was the clip on Dixon's 71 yard punt return? The NBC
    folks sure could not find it, and after about 1,000,000 replays. On
    the other side, Jonhson's reception was not a catch. He did not have
    possession. I'm talking about NU's drive for a field goal in the 4th
    quarter. But if the punt return TD stood then that call was moot.
    
    OK you non-believers, you HAVE to admit it now - Nebraska was an MNC
    caliber team in '93. Several of their opponents won bowl games, even
    though UCLA choked. Nebraska played nose to nose with FSU. They sacked
    Ward 1/2 as many times as he had been sacked all year, and Ward had to
    pick himself up many more times because the Blackshirts were all over
    him.
    
    Nebraska ran well and passed well. They could have ran better if they 
    would have stuck to the ukp-the-gut stuff, which was working very well.
    The around end stuff could not beat FSU's speed.
    
    All in all, great game. I died that night and am still depressed. But
    no words can convince me, after the game, that FSU is better than
    Nebraska. All of you who were thought FSU was a sure thing - you can
    only eat crow. Nebraska is for real, and they WILL be back, playing for
    the national championship in the Orange Bowl next year. Save this post,
    and read it and weap January 2 1995.
    
    Proud to be a Husker fan,
    
    Marty 

    Understand your frustration Marty.
    
    Nebraska is for real. They had their opportunities to win that's
    for sure. As I stated in another note, you can toss a coin to
    determine who's better among FSU, Nebraska and ND.
    
    MikeL
    

  To all Nebraska Fans,

	I've had trouble with my spelling of the Red team in the past, so
  I pulled out my dictionary to make sure I would get the spelling right
  for this note. Yes sirree, the Nebraska Cornhuskers put on one heroic
  show on New Years night in one of the greatest football games that I have 
  ever seen. The drama in that game was unbelievable. Trev Alberts showed
  that he is not just the best linebacker in college football but one of the
  best of all time. And how about Tommie Frazier ? Does he or does he not
  have ice water for blood ? He always plays his best in the big games. How 
  about the shots of Bobby Bowden with gatorade dripping off his chin as the 
  refs told him there was still one more play ? How about the expresion on his 
  face as the Nebraska kicker was lining up one final shot ? Was this a Rocky 
  movie or was it a football game ? I'm tellin you, the game was a true 
  classic. I thought the Huskers outplayed the Seminoles and if it wasn't for 
  some truely unbelievable calls and a lot of over officiating they would have
  won. If it's any consolation, while the Huskers came up short on the 
  scoreboard, they certainly won a lot more in the hearts and minds 
  of the people who watched this game. From Tom Osborne to the water boy,
  from the biggest booster to the smallest fan wearing a red diaper, you
  have a lot to be proud of and you made everybody in the Big 8 proud of
  your performance.

	Keith

    
    Yep, Marty, I gained quite a bit of respect for Nebraska from the game.
    I was wrong on this one.  I lost even more for Florida St, which won an 
    "undisputed" national championship in the least convincing, least
    satisfying way in some years (still, they did win it, and while some of 
    the calls-- like the fumble on the goal line-- were close, most were 
    not blatant; just very tough calls).  After watching the FSU-ND game and
    now this one, I can only scratch my head at Bobby Bowden's idea of an
    offensive game plan when his team is up against the slightest bit of
    quality defensive resistance.  Basically, it amounts to asking Charlie
    Ward to try to do it all, in whatever scattershot way possible,
    almost totally regardless of the circumstances.  I'll give Bowden one
    thing: he's very gracious.  Even before the polls came in, he was
    freely admitting that he was worried about his team's chances and the
    fact that he had been thoroughly outcoached, and wasn't politicking at 
    all from his position of unsuredness.
    
    This Nebraska team did not at all appear to be the one that showed up
    for the Oklahoma game or the Kansas game, which is where most of my
    doubts came from.  Oklahoma dominated in a meaningless early bowl game 
    and Colorado and Kansas St did about the same (regardless of the final
    scores), so maybe the entire Big-8 conference is a bit better than I
    thought...
    
    glenn
    
        

>  Where _did_ they find those refs??  

  Everybody knows that it was an all Big East officiating crew. There are
  unsubstantiated rumors that it was the same crew that called the very
  controversial CU-Miami game earlier in the year.

>  Well, you won't believe this I've seen better refs in 8 man football!  
>  21 penalties in a national championship game?

  Ah come on Marty, don't hold anything back. Tell us what you really think. 
  This time you'll have a lot of support. 

  The fumble at the goal line and the phantom clip will certainly go down in
  history as the 2 most controversial calls. But how about the 2 calls
  on FSU's final drive ? Were they ticky-tack calls or weren't they.
  For cryin out loud, if a team is gonna win a national championship, let em
  do it with blockin and tackling not with the refs making wimpy calls and 
  marching the media darling down the field. And how about the penaly for 
  pushing Charlie Ward(it wasn't violent and Ward never lost his feet) ? 
  For a minute, I thought it was Michael Jordan playing QB. But then it was 
  OK for the FSU player to throw the Husker receiver to the ground 10 yards 
  after he crossed the goal line for the Huskers first TD.

  I guess I better stop, otherwise I'll be labled a whinning sore loser. But
  then again, I'm not a Husker fan.

	Keith

    	I thought that was a weenie call by the refs on the unsportsmanlike
    call when Ward was given a slight push after being out of bounds. That
    certainly could have been a no-call. As to the interference in the end
    zone with just seconds remaining, that was and needed to be called. The
    pass may not have been catchable but it was close enough that the
    receiver could have possibly gotten a fingertip on it.
    	Biggest goof was Bennet giving FSU the ball on the 35 following the
    FG to put NU ahead. Bonehead, bonehead, bonehead!
    
    	Oh well, next year. At least they covered the line  :^)

    re: .250
    
    Those were not my words. 
    
    Marty

    Uh, make that .450.

    Well guys, I truely do appreciate the respect you are now giving 
    the Huskers. I don't blame anyone for doubting. In this world you have
    to prove yourself. Nobody's gonna listen to your words. I think your
    thoughts are a reflection of the nation after that game.
    
    Geesh, CU and NU fans agreeing on things? Wow, this is sorta like the
    beginning of detant (sp? day-taunt).
    
    But you know, it's really not much of a consolation. You see, this same
    think happened exactly 10 years ago. Osborne and the Huskers recieved
    tons of praise and respect after the missed 2 point conversion, just as
    they are this year for their titantic game vs "the best team in the
    nation" as announced by the press BEFORE the Orange bowl.
    
    But the outcome is just about the same: No MNC. Next year folks will
    be talking about how Nebraska has lost 7 straight bowl games. They will
    not talk about the FACT that NU has lost to the #1 team in the nation 
    in aprox 4 of those bowls. And 4 of those losses were to Florida teams
    in Miami. They won't talk about the "phanton clip of '94", or the 45
    yards in penalties NU GAVE FSU in the Seminols final drive. No, they 
    will only talk about how Osborne is the ONLY 200+ win coach without
    a national title. They will only talk about how Osborne "can't win
    the big one," with some quick mention of 100 zillion 9+ win seasons
    in a row.
    
    There is one difference however. In '84 the Huskers lost their whole
    nucleas: Turner Gill, Irving Fryar, Mike Rozier, their back-to-back
    Outland trouphy center. Nebraska will have most of it's nucleas (sp?)
    back in '94/'95. Ice blood Tommie Frazier, Calvin Jones (if he does not
    return then Philips and Benning will do just fine), most of the O-line,
    and most of their D-line and D-backs. Oh yea, Abduhl Mohamud, Clester
    Johnson, and Baul (the guy who caught the TD pass) will be back to
    catch Fraziers passes. Superman Alberts will be hunting down NFL QB's
    but Stewart will be back. Next year watch #86 closely. He has the
    ability to step in where Alberts left off. Also watch nose guard
    Christian Peter (#55), he is a monster.
    
    So there is hope for us NU fans, and reason to worry for other Big-8
    teams. CU will be tuff as always and OU is comming back, but Nebraska
    should be the odds on favorite. Look for them to be ranked in the top
    3 for the pre-season poll. NU might even get invited to one of those
    early special games.
    
    The Big-8 did themselves proud in the bowls this year. This could be
    a sign of a big turn-around for the conference.  
    
    Looks like Bowden got his MNC, so he and his wife can rest in peace.
    But Notre Dame sure has a legit argument since they beat FSU. I 
    suppost you have to place NU 3rd, but I say they are as good as ND
    or FSU. Hey, if FSU came to Lincoln, Friar would be whining to the
    camera just as he did at ND. I think ND/Nebraska would also be a
    great game. Well, looks like West Virgina was nothing but a puff
    of smoke, especially since their only big win was vs a Miami team
    who got trounced in their bowl.
    
    Congrats of FSU. Hey, they did what they had to do to pull it the
    win. I'll be having nightmares of missed 45 yard field goals and
    stupid penalties until next September.
    
    Go Big RED - nothing to be ashamed of, if fact, everything to be proud
    of!
    
    Marty

  Marty, I don't understand what you're trying to say.

	Keith

Marty, add me to this band wagon. 

Virtually nobody gave the Huskers any chance. But luckily for the
faithful and the rest of us who enjoy college football, Nebraska not only
showed up but almost pulled it out.

TTom

>    Well guys, I truely do appreciate the respect you are now giving 
>    the Huskers. 

     All bets are off on Haloween weekend next year.


     FYI, I picked NU in the Bowl contest. At the time, I felt that FSU
     was the better team but I only thought that they should have been 
     7-10 point favorites. Since I watched NU a number of times, I knew
     how good Trev Alberts and company were. Since they were not the media
     darling, people in the rest of the country didn't know how good the
     Husker pass rush was. 

     Actually, there was a lot of similarities between the Orange Bowl and the
     CU/NU game. There was a long punt return by Dixon and the NU pass defense,
     especially the rush against the QB, was exceptional. After watching the 
     Orange Bowl, I realize that while Kordell Stewart didn't play up to his
     abilities, a lot of the credit should be given to the NU defense. NU,
     to their credit play Charlie Ward exactly like they did against Stewart.

     I kind of doubt that Calvin Jones will still be wearing red next year.
     He's in the same class as Marshall Faulk and Tyrone Wheatly and the pros
     would love to have him. But Colorado will have similar problems. The 
     latest word from Westbrook's friends is that it's 50/50 that he'll return
     next year. When you hear talk like that, the player almost always jumps
     to the pro's. Also, the word is that Chris Hudson is a sure fire 1st 
     round pick if he comes out early.

     If Jones hadn't been injured some of the 10-15 yard runs by Philips and 
     Benning may have been TDs if Jones had carried the ball.

     However, I think NU's biggest lose next year will be Alberts. He's one of
     the best LB's I've ever seen. They may replace him with a good player
     but a Trev Alberts may only come around once in a lifetime, even for 
     a good football program.

     For CU, the entire offensive line and defensive lines will be back and
     both played exceptionally well last year. When CU won the MNC, I think
     the most credit should have gone to the offensive line. BTW, all
     5 of those guys are playing in the NFL. Next year's offensive line may
     be comparable to the offenseive line they had in 89. Also, if Jones
     jumps ship, Rashaan Salaam may become the premier back in the Big 8.
     Problem areas for the Buffs could be in the defensive backfield,
     outside linebacker, coaching and the kicking game. 
     
>    The Big-8 did themselves proud in the bowls this year. This could be
>    a sign of a big turn-around for the conference.  

     Yep, even Kansas State pounded their bowl opponent and I was very 
     impressed. They have some good young talent. Kansas didn't do well
     this year but they had more injuries than I've ever seen on one football
     team. They'll be back next year. The only dogs left in the Big 8 are
     Iowa State, Okla State and Missouri. But I wouldn't be surprised if there's
     a turn around in one of those programs soon.

     Next year should be a lot of fun.

	Keith

  The Orange Bowl contract will expire soon. The Orange Bowl very much wants
  the Big 8 to sign a new contract. However, there is talk of getting a
  contract with the Fiesta bowl. It is a lot closer to home, especially for
  Colorado but I expect the bottom line will be who offers the Big 8 the 
  most money. We'll have to wait and see how this plays out. Also, playoff
  proposals could throw a big monkey wrench into the whole thing.

	Keith

    > Next year folks will be talking about how Nebraska has lost 7 straight 
    > bowl games.
    
    Nebraska has now lost seven (7) [GULP!] straight bowl games.
    
    HTH,
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    
    >>Nebraska has now lost seven (7) [GULP!] straight bowl games.
    
    Does Snuffy have any relatives coaching at Nebraska????
    
    (8^)
    
    JaKe
    

    last I heard, Nebraska hasn't beaten a top 10 team in the last decade.

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One of these nights I'm going to be able to sleep through the night
w/o reliving moments of the game.  You guys know them all.  The impression
I get at work is that everyone feels we got hosed, well, except for the
guy from Florida.  Here's a column our local sportswriter had in the 
paper on Sunday.  It takes a while to get to the part where he says
Nebraska got screwed, but it was fun reading it anyways.  I typed it in,
w/o permission, and so spelling errors may occur.
Is there somewhere we can write, a specific address, the football team
with our attaboys?  I guess the basketball team is on espn tonight.

The following is from the San Diego Union-Tribune, columnist
Nick Canepa.
FLORIDA STATE MIGHT WIN THE NATIONAL MYTH, BUT NOTRE DAME'S BEST TEAM
MIAMI- This Orange was squeezed until it had no more juice to give.
And it figured.  It had to come down to one of the most bizarre endings
in the crazy history of college football.  All that was missing was the
Standford band.
  Bobby Bowden already had been given a Gatorade bath.  The field was
full of players and fans.  Tom Osborne had lost another big game.
Bowden had finally won one.  Two coaches who never had won anything of
significance, and now the clock wouldn't let them go, wouldn't leave
them alone.
  But there it was.  One lousy second.  One second sitting up there on
the Orange Bowl clock like some demon haunting two coaches who always
found ways to lose the big one.
  So many times field goals--missed ones by his own kickers--had cost
Bowden possible national titles.  And then in last night's Orange Bowl,
for the enchilada, he finally got a kicker--freshman Scott Bentley--to
make a clutch kick.  He had the national title by the throat, with 21
seconds to play.  Florida State was up, 18-16.
  Osborne was going home with the newspaper.  Again.
  And then Nebraska quarterback Tommie Frazier found tight end Trumane
Bell over the middle.  Bell was running loose.  The clock was ticking.
He finally was tackled on the FSU 28.  The place went mad.  Bowden got
soaked.  But just one second, now.
  It was up there on that forsaken scoreboard, all right.  One second.
The officials, bless them, even asked for a replay to make sure time
hadn't expired.  This was too big, for the mythical national
championship.  Even the zebras had to be sure.  Admirable, for a change.
  The West Virginia Clampetts had already lost.  The pollsters had given
up on Notre Dame.  The Orange had to end right.
  One second.  The replay said so.  So Nebraska kicker Byron Bennett
came on to try a 45-yard field goal.  Bowden stood there with liquid
energizer dripping off of him.  Osborne had those Reagan cheeks.
Was Osborne finally going to break his own personal hex?  Was a
field-goal kicker--and this time not his own--going to do him in?
  Naw.  Bennett missed the hell out of it.  18-16, FSU.
  "Did we win or lose?" was the first thing Bobby had said afterward.
"I was drenched.  It didn't count.  We won it twice."
  After years of driving around in circles, Bobby Bowden finally found
the simplest avenue to a national championship.  Play Nebraska and
Bad Luck Tom Osborne.
  Maybe it's too bad they couldn't squeeze a tie out this Federal
Express (When You Positively, Absolutely Have to Be No. 1 Overnight)
Orange Bowl.  Because, until the final minutes, this was more the
Tang Bowl, and nobody involved seemed to want a taste.
  "Every time I looked up somebody else was winning it," Bowden said.
  At least Bowden admitted Nebraska deserved to win it as much as his
team did, maybe more.  The Southern Gentleman didn't lie.  Nebraska
deserved to win this game.  Nebraska got screwed.
  The Cornhuskers had a punt return for a touchdown called back on a
phantom illegal block.  The Seminoles were awarded a touchdown when
their fullback, William Floyd, fumbled before going in and Nebraska
fell on the ball in the endzone.  Replays showed it was so.  The
refs didn't look at the TV sets.
  Nebraska had bad calls and bad luck go against it all night, but
the Shuckers hung in there and kept coming back.  Down to the last
second.  Quite an effort by Osborne's guys.
  They were better than Florida State, which, quite obviously now,
is not a team for the ages.  The Seminoles should have lost last
night--and did lose to Notre Dame.
  You don't know how difficult it is for me to say this, but Notre
Dame should be national champion.  Bowden has been spouting all
along that strength of schedule should have its place in the polls,
making slight of Nebraska (which was much better than Bobby thought).
  Well, if this is the case, then Notre Dame should be national
champion because the Fighting I-Rich beat FSU.  Simple.  You have a
head-to-head game to go by.  Each team had one loss.  It's Notre
Dame.  Florida State couldn't beat Notre Dame anyplace, anytime.
Not on a neutral site, not in Minsk.  Just not as good.
  FSU, very athletic, is a finesse team, and obviously had
tremendous problems with the two most physical clubs on its schedule,
Notre Dame and Nebraska.
  But it's mythical anyway.  So Florida State probably will win the
mythical national champsionship and place itself alongside all the
other myths, like Zeus, Achilles, and Chevy Chase.
  It will look great in the trophy room, that mythical trophy,
right alongside Charlie Ward's Heisman.  Charlie, FSU's quarterback,
looked more like Gino Ward last night--Charlie Torretta?--but still
walked off with the games's MVP honors.  He wasn't very good at all,
just as he wasn't very good against Notre Dame.
  And, in a game that came down to one second, Florida State wasn't
all that good.  Second best.


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>  Marty, I don't understand what you're trying to say.

>	Keith
    
    A summary would go like this: 
    
      Thank you noters for showing respect for Nebraska.
    
      While this respect is appreciated, it is of very little consolation.
       (Remember when CU lost to ND in the Orange Bowl? How you felt then?)
    
      The national press may be talking respect for NU now, but when the
      MNC picture shapes up next year, the great NU effort in the '94
      Orange bowl will not be remembered. Only certain stats such as 0-7
      in the last 7 bowls will be remembered. That stat is not fair
      because of reasons stated in my previous note.
    
      This OB loss is very much like the '84 loss where the 2 point play
      failed vs Miami. A sure national championship was lost in both cases.
    
      The difference between '84 and '94 is this: The most important
      players from the '83/'84 team graduated. Many (not all) key players
      from the '93/'94 team will be back. Frazier, for example, was only
      a true sophmore this year. In my opinion, next year looks very good
      for Nebraska.
    
      An excellent loss has helped national attitudes toward the Huskers,
      but a little respect does not take away the hurt. In my opinion, NU
      should have won and thus would be undisputed national champs. For
      someone as competitive as myself, this is very difficult to swallow.
    
    That, in a nutshell is what I was trying to say in that note Keith.
    
    Husker Henderson
    

    Wooden 10,  Dean 2
    Rupp    4,  Dean 2
    Knight  3,  Dean 2
    Crum    2,  Dean 2
    Coach K 2,  Dean 2
    
    Hmmmm, how can Knight, Crum and Coach K all be tied or ahead of Dean? 
    Haven't they coached far fewer years with much less talent?
    
    - Rope

From:	DECPA::"huskers@notes.tssi.com" "MAIL-11 Daemon"  3-JAN-1994 22:16:11.09
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Subj:	Husker Notes, January 3rd

In the wake of Saturday's 18-16 loss to Florida State, Nebraska may in the
long run be the ultimate victor.  One ESPN analyst has gone so far as to
suggest that given Tommie Frazier's performance, which would probably have
qualified _him_ for Orange Bowl MVP had Nebraska won, Nebraska may well be
the pre-season #1 team come September.  The class and heart that Nebraska
showed won't hurt their recruiting, either.

Tom Osborne consoled his troops by telling them that they were winners
in his book, and that life must go on.  On the bus back to the hotel, he
reminded Barron Miles that in 1990 Colorado lost the Orange bowl 20-6 and
bounced back to win the MNC the following year.  

Osborne said, "This can be a confidence builder.  In terms of tenacity, 
cohesiveness, this was the best group I've coached.  Not the most talented, 
but the thing is, they played defense better, and to win championships, you've 
got to play defense.  If we can keep building on that, we can be back here.

"There are those who find satisfaction only in trophies and rings, but to keep
playing at this level is important to me.  I think there's Nebraska, Notre
Dame, Florida State playing at the same level, and you could throw a hat
over all of them.

"I want fans to understand that the schedule is tough enough--nobody includes
bowl games in those schedules, but we have played the best teams there,
and nobody finished this season undefeated.  We did everything we could.
We had the snap, the hold, and the kick, but the field goal wasn't good, and
there went the national championship right there.  We didn't embarrass
ourselves, and we played at the top level.  Life goes on."

Bobby Bowden voted Nebraska #2 on his ballot, incidentally.  (He failed to
mention Nebraska as a #2 possibility in the post-game interview, but then
he was trying to convince voters that Florida State should finish ahead of
Notre Dame at the time.)

Calvin Jones will decide sometime next week whether or not to turn pro.
Osborne has talked to him about possible Heisman Tropy chances, draft
possibilities, as well as the risk of getting injured.  "The ball is in
Calvin's court, now," Osborne said.

While declining to talk about the officiating directly, Tom Osborne did
say that he though Florida State got most of the breaks in the Orange Bowl.
On his TV show, he remarked that the TV commentators couldn't find an
illegal block on Corey Dixon's punt return, but that he hadn't seen the films
yet.  Nor will he see them soon, Osborne stayed in Florida to do some 
recruiting in the South, and then will make trips to Pennsylvania and other
Eastern states before heading to the West and Southwest.  He did say on his
TV show (taped in Florida Sunday morning) that he was looking forward to
some fishing next month.

Over 1200 fans met the Huskers at the airport at 12:45 AM this morning, 
holding up signs reading 'Nebraska 16, Florida State 12, Referees 6'
and '1993 National Champions' (with a picture of a referee), and chanting
'We're No. 1' as a tape of the Nebraska fight song played.  Bob Devaney
says it was a better reception than he got after his two National Championship
teams.

Wingback Abdul Muhammad was hospitalized after the game Saturday night with
bruised ribs and a lacerated liver.

Calvin Jones suffered a sprained shoulder and some damage to his rotator cuff.

DB Lorenzo Brinkley suffered a broken right arm and will be in a cast for
at least a month.

Nebraska beat Iowa State 76-72 on ESPN tonight, ending a 23 game home winning 
streak for the Cyclones in the Hilton Coliseum.  The Huskers also beat 
Northern Iowa 76-53 last Friday, despite scoring just 18 points in the final 
17 minutes.  Apparently some of the Iowa State players were held out of the
game in a disciplinary move.  (More details on this tomorrow.)
--
Mike Nolan


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    	Goood job by the  Huskers.  Congrats to them and their fans on
    	a fine seeason.  Theey outplayed FSU and deserved to win.  Tommie
    	Frazier reminds me alot of Darian Hagan.  Not the greatest stats
    	but he getts it done.  NU will be tough again next year for sure.
    	Heere's hoping CU is tougher.
    
    	ND should be natiional champs BTW.  I'm no fan of theirs but
    	they got the shaft.  Sure, they lost to BC but is BC a bunch
    	of slouches?  They had a good year and crushed their bowl
    	opponent.  Plus, they whupped FSU head to head.
    
    Claybone

    >    Is that from one of your Arizona media guides?
    
    No it's a well-known fact.  Of course, they rarely played a top 10 team
    outside of the Orange Bowl, but they're still winless against the cream
    of the crop.

Mike, Mike, Mike!!! Your view is obviously skewed by 2 facts:

    1. ASU has not beaten Nebraska in, well, just about forever.
    2. ASU has to play at Nebraska in '94, and Nebraska may well
       prove to be better in '94 than they were in '93.

Oh, yea, a 3rd fact:

    3. ASU stunk in '93.

You, as an ASU backer, have no right to point any fingers at Nebraska.
Especially after NU's showing in the Orange Bowl.

Marty

    Marty, how many Orange Bowls have the Huskers won over the last 10
    years?   That's what I thought.
    
>    2. ASU has to play at Nebraska in '94, and Nebraska may well
>       prove to be better in '94 than they were in '93.
    
    Funny thing you brought this up.  It's really BIG of the Huskers to
    negotitate a 5-game series with ASU and only come to Tempe once. 
    Mighty adventurous of those BIG GAME Huskers!

>Especially after NU's showing in the Orange Bowl.

    Why did they win?  Marty, Marty, Marty.  Tell us all how big the Orange
    Bowl RunnerUp Trophy is.  The Huskers must have about 7 of them now,
    right?  Must be a pretty HUGE trophy case to hold all those HUGE
    runnerup trophies.
    
    glad to help,
    Mike

Mike, at least they have put themselves in the position to playin the OB
many times. Tell me, how many times has ASU gone to the Rose Bowl in the 
past 10 years? 

Getting to the dance is better than not getting there at all Mikey boy.
You must be the only person in America who does not respect NU after
that OB game. You know as well as I do that Nebraska should have won
that game. 

This fall, ASU will be chewed up and spit out by the Huskers. Hey, if you
don't like the contract ASU signed with NU, then write a letter to your AD
asking him to back out like a gutless coward, just as Wyoming did in '93.
The fact is that ASU signed that contract for the bottom line - $$$. They
probably get more money for a game at NU as they do for a home game. Plus
there might be TV money involved. 

Thanks for playing Mike, and making it so easy for me to win.

Marty

>Mike, at least they have put themselves in the position to playin the OB
>many times. Tell me, how many times has ASU gone to the Rose Bowl in the 
>past 10 years? 
    
    Once.  They beat Michigan in the '87 Rose Bowl.  They are 1-0 in the
    Grand Daddy of them all.

>Getting to the dance is better than not getting there at all Mikey boy.
    
    BZZT!  WRONG AGAIN!  But thanks for playing!
    
>that OB game. You know as well as I do that Nebraska should have won
>that game. 
    
    should have... could have... would have...

>          <<< Note 22.475 by FRETZ::HEISER "no, I'm very, very shy" >>>
>                             -< game, set, match >-

>>Getting to the dance is better than not getting there at all Mikey boy.
>    
>    BZZT!  WRONG AGAIN!  But thanks for playing!
    
  Wrong ?  Why is that wrong ?

    It's like what the Miami players said after Arizona trounced them: 
    "If you're #2, you might as well be #100."
    
    Dean Smiffy is usually "there", but his track record in the BIG GAME is 
    only slightly less embarassing than Osborne's.

    I've seen the light.  Da Suns have been a top 10 team for the last 7
    years, but they might as well have been in the lottery.

Mike, since you are so versed in Christian philosophy, I find your attitude
very dissapointing.

There is so much more than just winning the ultimate championship, especially
in college sports. True, we all want to win everything as much as the next
guy, but there is so much more. Just because you don't win the ultimate, that
does not mean you were a failure.

Here for your benefit Mike, is an repeat of post .468, Tom Osborne's
reflections about the situation. Read this and learn some lessons in life
from a great man...


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                                  -< SPORTS >-
================================================================================
Note 22.468                       Big 8 Sports                        468 of 479
CSC32::M_HENDERSON                            102 lines   4-JAN-1994 10:37:45.33
                 -< Husker News - What a Great Perspective... >-
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From:	DECPA::"huskers@notes.tssi.com" "MAIL-11 Daemon"  3-JAN-1994 22:16:11.09
To:	huskers@tower.tssi.com
CC:	
Subj:	Husker Notes, January 3rd

In the wake of Saturday's 18-16 loss to Florida State, Nebraska may in the
long run be the ultimate victor.  One ESPN analyst has gone so far as to
suggest that given Tommie Frazier's performance, which would probably have
qualified _him_ for Orange Bowl MVP had Nebraska won, Nebraska may well be
the pre-season #1 team come September.  The class and heart that Nebraska
showed won't hurt their recruiting, either.

Tom Osborne consoled his troops by telling them that they were winners
in his book, and that life must go on.  On the bus back to the hotel, he
reminded Barron Miles that in 1990 Colorado lost the Orange bowl 20-6 and
bounced back to win the MNC the following year.  

Osborne said, "This can be a confidence builder.  In terms of tenacity, 
cohesiveness, this was the best group I've coached.  Not the most talented, 
but the thing is, they played defense better, and to win championships, you've 
got to play defense.  If we can keep building on that, we can be back here.

"There are those who find satisfaction only in trophies and rings, but to keep
playing at this level is important to me.  I think there's Nebraska, Notre
Dame, Florida State playing at the same level, and you could throw a hat
over all of them.

"I want fans to understand that the schedule is tough enough--nobody includes
bowl games in those schedules, but we have played the best teams there,
and nobody finished this season undefeated.  We did everything we could.
We had the snap, the hold, and the kick, but the field goal wasn't good, and
there went the national championship right there.  We didn't embarrass
ourselves, and we played at the top level.  Life goes on."

Bobby Bowden voted Nebraska #2 on his ballot, incidentally.  (He failed to
mention Nebraska as a #2 possibility in the post-game interview, but then
he was trying to convince voters that Florida State should finish ahead of
Notre Dame at the time.)

Calvin Jones will decide sometime next week whether or not to turn pro.
Osborne has talked to him about possible Heisman Tropy chances, draft
possibilities, as well as the risk of getting injured.  "The ball is in
Calvin's court, now," Osborne said.

While declining to talk about the officiating directly, Tom Osborne did
say that he though Florida State got most of the breaks in the Orange Bowl.
On his TV show, he remarked that the TV commentators couldn't find an
illegal block on Corey Dixon's punt return, but that he hadn't seen the films
yet.  Nor will he see them soon, Osborne stayed in Florida to do some 
recruiting in the South, and then will make trips to Pennsylvania and other
Eastern states before heading to the West and Southwest.  He did say on his
TV show (taped in Florida Sunday morning) that he was looking forward to
some fishing next month.

Over 1200 fans met the Huskers at the airport at 12:45 AM this morning, 
holding up signs reading 'Nebraska 16, Florida State 12, Referees 6'
and '1993 National Champions' (with a picture of a referee), and chanting
'We're No. 1' as a tape of the Nebraska fight song played.  Bob Devaney
says it was a better reception than he got after his two National Championship
teams.

Wingback Abdul Muhammad was hospitalized after the game Saturday night with
bruised ribs and a lacerated liver.

Calvin Jones suffered a sprained shoulder and some damage to his rotator cuff.

DB Lorenzo Brinkley suffered a broken right arm and will be in a cast for
at least a month.

Nebraska beat Iowa State 76-72 on ESPN tonight, ending a 23 game home winning 
streak for the Cyclones in the Hilton Coliseum.  The Huskers also beat 
Northern Iowa 76-53 last Friday, despite scoring just 18 points in the final 
17 minutes.  Apparently some of the Iowa State players were held out of the
game in a disciplinary move.  (More details on this tomorrow.)
--
Mike Nolan


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Mike, in case you did not get what Osborne was talking about, I'll help you:

                     C   H   A   R   A   C   T   E   R

I'm darn proud of the Huskers, and I'm proud to be a Nebraska fan - Win or
Lose.

Husker Henderson

This is not me folks... I am forwarding mail I recieved from the Internet
Husker mailing list. This NU fan lives in Tallahassee, FL.



From:	DECPA::"huskers@notes.tssi.com" "MAIL-11 Daemon"  4-JAN-1994 16:16:23.22
To:	helios!dwn.ccd.bnl.gov!dwn@tower.tssi.com, huskers@tssi.com
CC:	
Subj:	Re:  The Game

Proud Husker Fans:

Many of you may be wondering what it is like to be a Husker Fan in
Tallahassee right now. Well, I'll tell ya.

IT IS GREAT!

They sure respect us now!  Most Nole fans won't admit they were outplayed,
but you can see it in their eyes. It is not the look of a happy national
championship fan. It is more like, "wow, we were lucky". One friend of
mine, a rabid nole fan, said it best after the game. He said, "you know,
I should be really happy and excited, but I'm not. It just doesn't feel
right".  I think this is the sentiment over all. They know they got away
with one. It is like having an asterisk next to your name in the record
books. "*The Noles....1994 Orange Bowl Victors and National Champs"

*but they got outplayed by Nebraska in their bowl AND lost to Notre Dame

In other words, it is not a truly satisfying experience for them. In this
respect, I feel sorry for Bowden. Yes he got his MNC, and yes it was in
BOTH polls, but people will always say "yea, good for you but, you lost
to ND and in many peoples eyes, to Nebraska too."

I am very proud to be a Husker fan, perhaps as proud as I've ever been.
Even though we lost on the scoreboard, we won on the field. I was at the
game and nearly burst out crying with pride at the end. I also screamed
my head off and still can only talk in a whisper. A friend of mine and I
chanted GO BIG RED literally until we left the stadium. The Noles fans 
thought we were crazy yelling Go Big Red as we walked down the ramp to 
leave  the stadium......but they know what true spirit is now.

I just smile now when somebody comes up to me to talk about the game.
They usually start off with how tough the Huskers were, but almost all
of them (nole people I know) start into what I call "The Big Excuse".
Yes They win the game and STILL have excuses for the way it went.

It is unanimous.......the Seminole coaches were the reason the game
was close and the offense didn't do so well. Only one person I talked 
to so far has admitted that the Nebraska defense may have had something 
to do with it. I still have to smile. Boy, to be consensus No. 1 and have
to whine about how the coaches screwed up.

The Huskers will be a force to reckon with next year and I hope they
get chosen to play in the Pigskin Classic or Kickoff Classic if they
are eligible for the latter. I hope they get matched with somebody like
Miami, Florida or Penn State or even Notre Dame. They need to have a win
over a top rate non-conference opponent (other than UCLA or T. Tech) so
that they won't have an asterisk by their name in the book (*won MNC, but
didn't play tough non-conference schedule). It has to be truly satisfying
with no but's. I think they can do it. They tasted the MNC in the Orange
Bowl.....they should be hungry.


GO BIG RED!!!

Happy to be a Husker in Tallahassee,

Jim Pospichal
Class of 85

ps. to those of you at the game. I think we did a heck of a cheering job
    despite being outnumbered 8 to 1. If anyone was in section E around
    30 rows up, I was the loon in the Husker ball cap and purple t-shirt
    continually lecturing the nearby Seminole fans about respect. My
    girlfriend swears that I didn't embarrass her, however, I think
    she is lying. I was also just across the aisle three or four seats
    away from Martin Massengale (ex. Chancellor, President or whatever).
    I know I embarrassed him. :)

 


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Again, from the Internet Huskers mailing list...


From:	DECPA::"huskers@notes.tssi.com" "MAIL-11 Daemon"  4-JAN-1994 17:46:10.25
To:	huskers@tssi.com
CC:	fiechtne@spot.colorado.edu
Subj:	Eating Crow

Greetings!
Thought the following story from yesterday's Rocky Mountain Snooze
would be of interest (mistakes in spelling and grammar probably
result from my typing):

PLATE OF CROW AWAITS JOE WILLIAMS
(by Dusty Saunders, RMN)
     Joe Williams won't be on KYBG today.  In fact, he might never
     come back to town.
     He's hiding out in The Husker, a seedy, down-on-its-luck Las
     Vegas hotel located on the edge of the Strip.  The tattered curtains
     were drawn tightly Sunday to keep out the sun.
     Williams, in a melancholy mood, spent the day trying to plan
     a future.  Initially, he had a job offer as a secondary valet for
     Joe Montana.  But the emotional block of dealing with Montana's red-
     and-white uniform was too much for Williams to handle.
     So Williams plowed through old John Deere employment guides,
     searching for work as a tractor repairman.
     Afraid to venture outside The Husker, Williams has been ordering
     room service--ample helpings of crow with Nebraska corn, not husked,
     on the side.
     If Williams isn't eating crow, he's certainly chewing--perhaps
     gagging--on it.  And if Nebraska's Byron Bennet had made that field
     goal attempt on the last play of the Orange Bowl, Williams would
     have to eat so much crow he would have been jailed for violating
     bird's rights.
     The twangy-voiced sports talk host, who once billed himself as
     "the voice of reason", is now a lonely fugitive.
     He's the Dr. Richard Kimble of the sports talk scene.
     On Sunday, his partner, Irv Brown, sounding like the intrepid
     Lt. Gerard, said "I'll track him down...we'll have him on the air 
     Monday afternoon."
     For more than a month, on a daily, almost an hourly basis,
     Williams has scoffed at Nebraska's chances against Florida State.
     He regularly belittled Nebraska coach Tom Osborne, calling him
     "Uncle Tom."
     Williams was the most vocal--and most obnoxious--of all the
     "experts" who predicted the Seminoles would run the Huskers out of
     Miami.  "The only think that could keep this from becoming a rout
     is a monsoon," Williams said, again and again and again.
     Williams was embarrasingly wrong.  So what did he do?  He
     donned the cloak of embarrassment and left.  Sure, he told his
     KYBG listeners he was headed for Vegas regardless of who won.  But
     we all know if Florida State had won 52-7, Williams would be in
     town chanting "I told you so."
     Now he's the subject of ridicule...a sports talk show fugitive.
     ......Williams is doomed, destined to sneak back into his native
     Texas and scratch out a living as a handicapper of boll weevil 
     races......
 ______________________________

Greg


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    Someone should check if Joe Williams ever spent some time in Phoenix.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

>Mike, since you are so versed in Christian philosophy, I find your attitude
>very dissapointing.
    
    Marty, I find your blindfaith hindering your sense of humor
    disappointing as well.  Dragging someone's personal faith into a debate
    is even more disappointing.  Someone had to pick up the slack while Tommy
    was gone.  Now that he's back, I can tell you I've gone to hear Osborne 
    speak at meetings while in town for the Fiesta Bowl.  He's a man of
    integrity.

Tommy,

I read Mike's note to mean that someone had to be a contrarian while
you were gone, not that you stuck religion into the discussions.

HtH,

The Crazy Met

glad to see you back Tommy.

The Crazy Met

>       When have I ever dragged your faith into any discussion? If any-
>       thing I've tried to keep religious discussions out.
    
    Tommy, what you speak is true and for that I'm extremely grateful.  The
    slack you left behind refers to belittling 2nd place teams.

MikeH did you have to go and spoil things by agreeing with me. some people! :-)

The Crazy Met

    Why are people saying that Nebraska should have won?  Yes they played
    a very good game and COULD have won but they didn't.  I really am
    not a fan of either team but find it amusing that alot of people are
    saying that the Huskers really won the game.  I thought the score was
    18-16 in favor of FSU?  BTW, FSU scored on the play before the FB
    fumbled.  Nebraska played a great game and proved they can play with
    the top teams BUT,  Florida State won the game.
    
    Frank Mendez

Mike, and notes dudes, I appologize for bringing "relegion" into the
discussion. I did not realize there was an unwritten law about separation
of Church and Notes.  ;^)

Regardless, I am dissipointed with your stance Mike. I find it more likely
that your attitude about the discussions main point is skewed by your, uh,
extreme dislike for Nebraska football. If ASU or the Suns took second (as
the Suns did last year) I think your stance would change. Sudenly character
would mean a lot more to you.

Marty

re: few back.

I don't know who said Nebraska "really won the game." I, for one, did not.
NU certainly played well enough to win, and with another break or 2 would
have, and they still almost did. However, as you say, 18 -16 = L.

Huskers will be VERY tuff in '94. Mark my words.

Husker Henderson 

    reply to .495:
    
    There are alot of similarities to CU losing to ND one year and then
    beating them the next year.  I would say that Nebraska looks to be
    able to pull off that scenario.  However I hope CU can get in the
    Huskers way!!!!
    
    Frank Mendez
    

NU might have gained some respect but untill they play more than 1 good out of
conference team a year I'll continue to look down on them until they prove
themselves in the bowls...

NU, Oklahoma, CU and 1 PAC 10 team a year do not make for  an impressive
schedule. They need to get at least 1  florida team on it every year during the
regular season in order to consider themselves a perennial national power.

Metz

    atleast one... I believe that if NU had half the schedule that FSU had
    they might not even had gone to major bowl. I guess, we would never
    know...So please NU..toughen up your schedule.
    
                              stig                                       

re: .497

What does it take to convince some people? I think that if NU had made that
last field goal, or if the phantom clip had not been called, and the Huskers
won the game, that you would STILL be saying Nebraska does not play anybody.
I don't call 5 bowl team nobody.

Some people will just not look past their past bias. 

Marty

>discussion. I did not realize there was an unwritten law about separation
>of Church and Notes.  ;^)
    
    Actually it's a rather well known law in here.  We used up a lot of
    disk space with such arguments relating to religion and politics in the
    past.  It's no longer allowed.
    
>Regardless, I am dissipointed with your stance Mike. I find it more likely
    
    I still say I'm disappointed in your lack of humor.  ASU's lack of
    success against NU is irrelevant.

>>discussion. I did not realize there was an unwritten law about separation
>>of Church and Notes.  ;^)
    
>    Actually it's a rather well known law in here.  We used up a lot of
>    disk space with such arguments relating to religion and politics in the
>    past.  It's no longer allowed.

Well, I'm sorry about my religious reference. I stand humbly corrected.
    
>>Regardless, I am dissipointed with your stance Mike. I find it more likely
    
>    I still say I'm disappointed in your lack of humor.  ASU's lack of
>    success against NU is irrelevant.

Mike Dude, have you found some unknown Notes "feature" which allows you to
set your smiley faces hidden? Without benefit of the smiley face or
telepathy (sp?), us readers of your notes are placed at a disadvantage.
Up until now, I'm not doing so hot on this telepathy thing, especially when
reading Notes. When it comes to women? Awe forget it...   ;^)

Are you SURE that "ASU's lack of success against NU" has NOTHING to do with
your very obvious, uh, shall we say dislike of Nebraska? Hmmm, I don't know...

Whatever! Go ahead and reply to this thread Mike, I won't reply back. I will
be more than happy to let you have the last word.

Husker Henderson

  Nebraska in '94!

    Marty, it's okay if people don't like NU.  Honest.
    
    Actually I have mixed feelings about NU.  I really respect and admire
    their coach after hearing him at a Fiesta Bowl FCA meeting
    (coincidentally Bobby Bowden spoke at the same meeting).  If you know
    what FCA is you'll understand, otherwise send me mail since it ain't
    allowed in here.
    
    He's always had decent teams, even if they play North Texas State and 
    the Tijuana School for Wayward Girls, and can't beat a top 10 team.

>    Marty, it's okay if people don't like NU.  Honest.
    
    It can even be fun.  Hey, I gained respect for this particular Nebraska
    team, but it's not as if no coach has ever gone all the way and actually
    won the big upset game, especially over a 20-year period.  In fact, if 
    Osborne had been a little bit more bold down there on the goal line 
    and aggressively gone after the touchdown when he had the first-and-goal 
    from the 4 or 5 (and I thought for sure they were going to punch it in), 
    then you most likely wouldn't have all this second-guessing.  It was 
    there, and Osborne was a bit conservative and left the opening.  That
    kind of thing happens all the time at the end of close games.
    
    Even if you look past the recent tough-to-win Orange Bowls against the
    Miamis and FSUs, Tom Osborne's overall record of successes in the bowls
    still consists of a small handful of wins against the likes of LSU.  
    There's not much there.  Forget the past; it's time to move to the next
    level to truly win the respect...
    
    glenn
    

Glenn, I agree with you 100%. After Frazier's great run down to the 5 or so
I was saying out loud to my brothers (they drove out from Iowa) that Osborne
better go for the TD, not play for the FG. I wanted him to put it in the air,
but after the interception on the previous possession (yes, NU drove deep 
twice in the last half of Q4) I knew he would go conservative. Bummer.

Yea I know it's OK not to like NU. No problem.

Later,

Marty

  Saw in today's paper that Calvin Jones, who wus wearin red last time
  I saw him, will enter the NFL draft. He'll be 24 nexted year, so I guess 
  he's a kind of old for college football anyway. He's wus injured a lot 
  this year and I suspect that may have a bearing on where he goes in the 
  draft. But those of us who have watched him fer the last 3 years in the Big
  8 know he's a primetime running back. If he stays healthy, I think he'll 
  have an excellent pro career. His running style reminds me a lot of Barry 
  Foster, not quite as powerful, but faster.

	Keith

    With the plethora of running backs that declared for the draft, I would
    be surprised if Jones was drafted in the first round.  His history of
    injuries and the depth of this draft could make him a bargain on the
    second round.
    
    NAZZ

  Well, on the last day of NFL declaration, Colorado running back Lamont
  Warren declared that he's going pro. This was a big surprise to all who 
  follow CU football. Colorado now has just 1 running back on the roster
  (excluding 1 walk on non-scholarship redshirt freshman). This could be a
  real problem for spring practice. Warren set the Colorado rushing record 
  for a freshman 2 year ago. He had a lot of trouble last year but that was 
  more the fault of the young offensive line and some poor coaching. This 
  year he shared playing time with Rashaan Salaam who many felt was the 
  better running back anyways. Warren, who was a QB in high school, threw
  4 passes in his career at CU. 3 of them went for TDs. 

  I'm not sure about his NFL potential. He has great speed for a running back
  and good moves but lacks the power that many pro teams desire. I also
  have doubts about his durability and his age(I think he's only 20). Also,
  this year's draft is loaded with quality running backs. He was a good student
  which further confuses me as to why he's quiting college. In the pro's
  I would expect him to be used more as a 3rd down specialist or maybe even
  as a wide receiver because of his great speed.

  On the plus side, Michael Westbrook is staying at CU and I haven't heard
  anything about Chris Hudson jumping ship, so I guess he's staying also.

  In recruiting news, a local guy named Mike Lorentz gave his verbal 
  commitment. In the pre-season publications, he was listed by everybody as
  one of the top 5 defensive or offensive line propects in the nation. The
  Buffs didn't have much trouble landing him. He has wanted to go to CU since he
  was in junior high. They also got a verbal commitment from a California
  running back named Ali Evans. When the Rocky Mtn News interviewed him, he
  claimed he was clocked in the 40 in at 4.26 and the 100 meters in 10.19.
  I guess it's possible that he's exagerating a little but even if he is,
  it looks like the Buffs got another very fast player. 

	Keith

	Keith,  

	Any word out there on Jay Berny(sp?)?  He was carried last year
	as a red-shirt freshman quarterback.  This kid has a gun for an
	arm and is pretty big, too.

	He was Merrimack (NH) High's QB two seasons ago.


	billl

>	Any word out there on Jay Berny(sp?)?  He was carried last year
>	as a red-shirt freshman quarterback.  This kid has a gun for an
>	arm and is pretty big, too.

 I never heard of him. Is he supposed to be on Colorado's roster or on some
 other Big 8 team ? Colorado had 2 scholarship redshirt freshman on this past 
 year's team. One was John Hessler, who is from somewhere in the Denver area,
 and a guy who's last name is AbdulRahman. He's from the San Francisco bay area.
 They also got a QB from Colorado Springs named Mike Fornay but he's being
 used as a wide receiver and has never really been used at QB.

 I'll check the roster for Jay Berny and let you know.

	Keith

	Jay was, to the best of my knowledge, red-shirted at CU.


	billl

    Keith,
    Any news on where Colorado QB phenom Ryan Clement is heading?
    
    MikeL
    	
    

>    Any news on where Colorado QB phenom Ryan Clement is heading?
    
  Yep, he's given his verbal to Miami. Colorado never really had any chance 
  to get him. He only visted CU to make his parents happy. However,
  a top QB from Louisiana, named Josh Booty, is considering CU. Booty has
  a few national passing records and is rated as one of the best. He's also
  an excellent baseball player. The word is, that if he gets drafted in the 
  1st round by a baseball team, he'll go to CU. If he gets drafted in a later
  round, he'll go to LSU since they have a baseball program and CU doesn't.
  Now the Buff fans have to go through this baseball dilema again just like 
  last year with Scott Bentley.

  Billl, I checked the roster and yes, there is a Jason Burney, from Merrimack
  N H. on the roster. I don't have any news on how well he's doing. He must
  have joined the Buffs after last years Letter Of Intent day because he
  didn't appear on any of the lists at that time. I don't know if he's a
  walk on or a scholarship player.

  The Buffs just scored a major recruiting victory as running back Chris 
  Floyld of Detroit gave his verbal yesterday. He's a big bruising 220 pound
  6'2" fullback and was rated as one of the top 5 running back prospects by
  many of the high scholl talent experts. He runs the 40 between 4.4 and 4.5
  and is a USA Today 2nd team All American. The Buffalo Sports News had talked 
  some about this guy but they said he was almost a sure fire bet to go to 
  Notre Dame. Well, yesterday, Floyld called up Lou Holtz and told him to 
  cancel his trip to South Bend. It's always good to see the Buffs grab one 
  away from the Fighting Irish. They've lost a couple of good local guys to 
  Notre Dame in the last few years. (Emmet Mosley was the most noteworthy)

  Now, if they could just get a kicker...
      	
	Keith    

> -< puhleeze don't sau Miami!! Say hi to Cotanch >-

  MikeL, I couln't agree with you more. I would have rather seen him play for
  Nebraska. And the Buffs gotta line up against him in 96.

	Keith   

    I heard that Clement had been looking at Miami. ND recruited him
    and I heard he was really interested but the Powlus effect steered
    him away from ND. ND is gonna have a difficult time landing a top-rated
    QB with soph-to-be Powlus next in line.
    
    ND was disappointed they couldn't land Floyd. He's rated real high
    (from same HS as Jerome Bettis). With Warren gone, there was an
    immediate opening at CU, no?? If he went to ND, he'd be pressed
    to win a job against senior Zellars and soph Edwards.
    From all reports CU got a gem.
    
    MikeL
    

There are some behind the curtin factors around Calvin Jones turning pro
early. Those factors are two, yes 2 paternity suites against him, and tests
in both cases came back positive, meaning that Calvin is proven to be the
father to both children. He is court ordered to pay child support to both
mothers as well as $1200 back pay. That kind of money is difficult to come
by in a legal fashion when your in a college football program.

Add to that his knee scare and his choice was a no-brainer, even if he could
have gone higher next year as Nazz stated.

Good luck Calvin, hope you have a long and successfull NFL career for a team
that wears red.  ;^)  (Read: K.C) (Hope he's learned to keep the little guy
under control now too)

Lawrence Philips is probably very happy. He's the freshman who was ripping
thru Florida States line for 12 yards a pop in the 4th quarter of the Orange 
Bowl.

Speaking of the OB, did anybody see the Roy Firestone show last night? He had
Osborne and Bowden on the show together. I missed most of it.

Marty

P.S.  With regards to early draft eligibility, consider this: If Derrick
      Brown and the big tight end (I keep forgetting his name, the one with
      the big mouth, you know who I mean...) had not left early, then the '93
      Husker offense would have starred Calvin Jones, Derrick Brown, the tight
      end guy, Corrie Dixon, and Tommie Frazier. Wow! 

>P.S.  With regards to early draft eligibility, consider this: If Derrick
>      Brown and the big tight end (I keep forgetting his name, the one with
>      the big mouth, you know who I mean...) had not left early, then the '93
>      Husker offense would have starred Calvin Jones, Derrick Brown, the tight
>      end guy, Corrie Dixon, and Tommie Frazier. Wow! 
    
    Johnny Mitchell.  How soon they forget, eh, Marty?  ;-)
    
    glenn
    

>>  (Read: K.C) (Hope he's learned to keep the little guy
>>               under control now too)
  
    Marty, Marty, Marty... this line belongs somewhere in Heiser's new
    note, but I'm not sure where...
    
    MikeL
    

>>>  (Read: K.C) (Hope he's learned to keep the little guy
>>>               under control now too)
  
>    Marty, Marty, Marty... this line belongs somewhere in Heiser's new
>    note, but I'm not sure where...
    
>    MikeL

Ya haaaaa ha haaaaaa! I'm not touchin that one, not even with a 10 foot, um,
pole. Whoa!


>>P.S.  With regards to early draft eligibility, consider this: If Derrick
>>      Brown and the big tight end (I keep forgetting his name, the one with
>>      the big mouth, you know who I mean...) had not left early, then the '93
>>      Husker offense would have starred Calvin Jones, Derrick Brown, the tight
>>      end guy, Corrie Dixon, and Tommie Frazier. Wow! 
    
>    Johnny Mitchell.  How soon they forget, eh, Marty?  ;-)
    
>    glenn

Yea Mitchell was/is awesome. Geesh, if Frazier had Mitchell, and Dixon, and
Bell, and Mohamud to throw to, then NU would have not just outplayed FSU, they
would have won the game. (I did hear part of Firestone's show last night
and I quote Bobby Bowden - "Nebraska outplayed us.")

Nebraska '94   Back to the Orange Bowl for the National Championship game -
               We Want FSU!!!!!!!

>    ND was disappointed they couldn't land Floyd. He's rated real high
>    (from same HS as Jerome Bettis). With Warren gone, there was an
>    immediate opening at CU, no?? 

   Not only an immediate opening but a desperate need. Like I said, the Buffs
   were down to 1 running back. Not only did Warren jump ship but James 
   Hill, who was also pretty good, graduated. I bet Floyd starts in the first 
   game. I hope he can block in addition to running. Rashaan Salaam will still
   get most of the work. I think Salaam will have an excellent shot at becoming
   an All-American next year.
  
   BTW MikeL, being a fighting Irish fan, have you heard anything about 
   running back Emmet Mosley ? He was a very highly recruited running back
   out of Denver.

     Keith

    Keith,
    
    I heard a lot of good things about Mosley. Holtz really likes him
    and projects him to be used as a flanker/occasional TB next year.
    With current flanker Clint Johnson and WR Lake Dawson graduating,
    Holtz is looking for Mosley and Mike Miller to pick up the slack.
    Holtz thinks Mosley can fill the same role that Rocket used to;
    flanker/tailback and return man.
    
    Mosley also went to the same high school as Ryan Clement, no?
    I remember Mosley being quoted as hoping Clement followed him
    to ND because Clement was a huge ND fan in high school. But, the
    Powlus effect nixed that.
    
    MikeL
    

	Keith,

	Does Hill have any chance of being drafted (even in low rounds)?

	He graduated from Widefield (my high school).

	Kevin ('77, old fart)

>    Mosley also went to the same high school as Ryan Clement, no?

    Yep. They both went to Mullin high. Mosley's backup was also a great 
    player. Since he was Mosley's backup, he didn't see much playing time 
    as a junior. However, this year, he racked up the yardage. His name is 
    Brandon Willis and last I heard, his choices were narrowed to Texas, 
    Syracuse and Pittsburgh. His specialty is returns and some feel he's 
    even better than Mosley. With all of that talent, Mullin High never 
    won anything.
    
    Last year, Colorado had 2 prime time recruits in Scott Bentley and Emmett
    Mosley. This year, Colorado has 4 top recruits. QB Ryan Clement heads the
    list with DB Elton Davis, RB Brandon Willis and DL Mike Lorentz also
    getting lots of attention. The Buffs already have a commitment from
    Lorentz and they've got a good shot at Davis(I think they need him badly).

	Keith

>	Does Hill have any chance of being drafted (even in low rounds)?

>	He graduated from Widefield (my high school).

	He thinks he does. He blocks well, catches the ball well and is tough
	and durable. Maybe a 7th round draft choice. 

	He was a first team Parade All-American when he played at Widefield.

		Keith

    
    Kevin,
    
    	Do you like Gladiator movies?  :*)
    
    Claybone (Harrison '79)

	Clay,

	Do you remember the intense hatred Widefield and Harrison had for each
	other back in the late 60's/early 70's?  There were fights after every
	football game (maybe other sports as well).  It got so bad that the
	football games had to be played on Saturday afternoons instead of
	Friday nights.  Not so sure about now since Widefield in 6A and Harrison
	is 5A (I think).

	Kevin

    
    	Yup.  That's the reason Harrison *still* doesn't have lights
    	at their stadium.  When I was a senior, we played ya'll down
    	at Widefield on a Friday night.  Our bus was pelted with rocks
    	and such.  I'm pretty sure the hatred has cooled considerably
    	since then.  You don't hear about it anyway.....
    
    	Meet me in the parking lot after work pal!  :*)
    
    Claybone

Top-10 reasons Nebraska lost the Orange Bowl Jan. 1 '94

 10. Florida State had guys with striped uniforms on their team.
  9. Bowden switched NU's films of FSU games with tapes of Rhonda's "Up 
     All Night" from the USA cable network.    
  8. Nebraska can't win unless its at least 20 below wind chill.
  7. Recently revealed in "The Enquirer": NU field goal kicker is left footed, 
     kicks with right foot.
  6. If broken bones counted for 6 points, NU would have won by 16.
  5. We diden't want Holtz to get #1.
  4. Does not matter, NU will win the MNC durring Fraziers Junior AND
     Senior years.
  3. FSU is a better team than NU...  ...NOT!
  2. < Joke with sexual content deleted, we are porfeshunals ya know >

 And the number one reason why Nebraska lost the Orange Bowl Jan. 1 '94
 
  Come on up to Lincoln and we shall see what kind of whimps you really are!

Marty
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Article 67544 of rec.sport.football.college: Final AP polls (Very Long)



     1936                1937                1938                1939

1.  Minnesota       1.  Pitt            1.  TCU             1.  Texas A&M
2.  LSU             2.  California      2.  Tennessee       2.  Tennessee
3.  Pitt            3.  Fordham         3.  Duke            3.  Southern Cal
4.  Alabama         4.  Alabama         4.  Oklahoma        4.  Cornell
5.  Washington      5.  Minnesota       5.  Notre Dame      5.  Tulane
6.  Santa Clara     6.  Villanova       6.  Carnegie-Mellon 6.  Missouri
7.  Northwestern    7.  Dartmouth       7.  Southern Cal    7.  UCLA
8.  Notre Dame      8.  LSU             8.  Pitt            8.  Duke
9.  Nebraska        9.  Notre Dame      9.  Holy Cross      9.  Iowa
10  Pennsylvania        Santa Clara     10. Minnesota       10. Duquesne
11. Duke            11. Nebraska        11. Texas Tech      11. Boston Coll.
12. Yale            12. Yale            12. Cornell         12. Clemson
13. Dartmouth       13. Ohio St.        13. Alabama         13. Notre Dame
14. Duquesne        14. Holy Cross      14. California      14. Santa Clara
15. Fordham             Arkansas        15. Fordham         15. Ohio St.
16. TCU             16. TCU             16. Michigan        16. Georgia Tech
17. Tennessee       17. Colorado        17. Northwestern    17. Fordham
18. Arkansas        18. Rice            18. Villanova       18. Nebraska
    Navy            19. N. Carolina     19. Tulane          19. Oklahoma
20. Marquette       20. Duke            20. Dartmouth       20. Michigan


    1940                1941                1942                1943

1.  Minnesota       1.  Minnesota       1.  Ohio St.        1.  Notre Dame
2.  Stanford        2.  Duke            2.  Georgia         2.  Iowa Preflight
3.  Michigan        3.  Notre Dame      3.  Wisconsin       3.  Michigan
4.  Tennessee       4.  Texas           4.  Tulsa           4.  Navy
5.  Boston College  5.  Michigan        5.  Georgia Tech    5.  Purdue
6.  Texas A&M       6.  Fordham         6.  Notre Dame      6.  Great Lakes NTS
7.  Nebraska        7.  Missouri        7.  Tennessee       7.  Duke
8.  Norhwestern     8.  Duquesne        8.  Boston College  8.  Del Monte Prflt
9.  Mississippi St. 9.  Texas A&M       9.  Michigan        9.  Northwestern
10. Washington      10. Navy            10. Alabama         10. March Field
11. Santa Clara     11. Northwestern    11. Texas           11. Army
12. Fordham         12. Oregon St.      12. Stanford        12. Washington
13. Georgetown      13. Ohio St.        13. UCLA            13. Georgia Tech
14. Pennsylvania    14. Georgia         14. William & Mary  14. Texas
15. Cornell         15. Pennsylvania    15. Santa Clara     15. Tulsa
16. SMU             16. Mississippi St. 16. Auburn          16. Dartmouth
17. Hardin-Simmons  17. Mississippi     17. Washington St.  17. Bainbridge NTS
18. Duke            18. Tennessee       18. Mississippi St. 18. Colorado Coll
19. Lafayette       19. Washington St.  19. Minnesota       19. Pacific (Cal)
20. Penn St.        20. Alabama             Holy Cross      20. Pennsylvania

    1944                1945                1946                1947*

1.  Army            1.  Army            1.  Notre Dame      1.  Notre Dame
2.  Ohio St.        2.  Alabama         2.  Army            2.  Michigan
3.  Randolph Field  3.  Navy            3.  Georgia         3.  SMU
4.  Navy            4.  Indiana         4.  UCLA            4.  Penn St.
5.  Bainbridge NTS  5.  Oklahoma St.    5.  Illinois        5.  Texas
6.  Iowa Preflight  6.  Michigan        6.  Michigan        6.  Alabama
7.  Southern Cal    7.  St. Marys (Cal) 7.  Tennessee       7.  Pennsylvania
8.  Michigan        8.  Pennsylvania    8.  LSU             8.  Southern Cal
9.  Notre Dame      9.  Notre Dame      9.  N. Carolina     9.  N. Carolina
10. March Field     10. Texas           10. Rice            10. Georgia Tech
11. Duke            11. Southern Cal    11. Georgia Tech    11. Army
12. Tennessee       12. Ohio St.        12. Yale            12. Kansas
13. Georgia Tech    13. Duke            13. Pennsylvania    13. Mississippi
    Norman Prefl't  14. Tennessee       14. Oklahoma        14. William & Mary
15. Illinois        15. LSU             15. Texas           15. California
16. El Toro Marines 16. Holy Cross      16. Arkansas        16. Oklahoma
17. Great Lakes NTS 17. Tulsa           17. Tulsa           17. NC State
18. Fort Pierce     18. Georgia         18. NC State        18. Rice
19. St. Mary's PF   19. Wake Forest     19. Delaware        19. Duke
20. 2nd Air Force   20. Columbia        20. Indiana         20. Columbia

* A special postseason poll was held on January 6, 1948 in which the Associated
  Press voted Michigan number one and Notre Dame number two.  However, this 
  poll does not supersede the final regular season poll of December 6, 1947.


    1948                1949                1950                1951

1.  Michigan        1.  Notre Dame      1.  Oklahoma        1.  Tennessee
2.  Notre Dame      2.  Oklahoma        2.  Army            2.  Michigan St.
3.  N. Carolina     3.  California      3.  Texas           3.  Maryland
4.  California      4.  Army            4.  Tennessee       4.  Illinois
5.  Oklahoma        5.  Rice            5.  California      5.  Georgia Tech
6.  Army            6.  Ohio St.        6.  Princeton       6.  Princeton
7.  Northwestern    7.  Michigan        7.  Kentucky        7.  Stanford
8.  Georgia         8.  Minnesota       8.  Michigan St.    8.  Wisconsin
9.  Oregon          9.  LSU             9.  Michigan        9.  Baylor
10. SMU             10. Pacific (Cal)   10. Clemson         10. Oklahoma
11. Clemson         11. Kentucky        11. Washington      11. TCU
12. Vanderbilt      12. Cornell         12. Wyoming         12. California
13. Tulane          13. Villanova       13. Illinois        13. Virginia
14. Michigan St.    14. Maryland        14. Ohio St.        14. San Francisco
15. Mississippi     15. Santa Clara     15. Miami (Fla)     15. Kentucky
16. Minnesota       16. N. Carolina     16. Alabama         16. Boston Univ.
17. William & Mary  17. Tennessee       17. Nebraska        17. UCLA
18. Penn St.        18. Princeton       18. Wash. & Lee     18. Washington St.
19. Cornell         19. Michigan St.    19. Tulsa           19. Holy Cross
20. Wake Forest     20. Missouri        20. Tulane          20. Clemson
                        Baylor


    1952                1953                1954                1955

1.  Michigan St.    1.  Maryland        1.  Ohio St.        1.  Oklahoma
2.  Georgia Tech    2.  Notre Dame      2.  UCLA            2.  Michigan St.
3.  Notre Dame      3.  Michigan St.    3.  Oklahoma        3.  Maryland
4.  Oklahoma        4.  Oklahoma        4.  Notre Dame      4.  UCLA
5.  Southern Cal    5.  UCLA            5.  Navy            5.  Ohio St.
6.  UCLA            6.  Rice            6.  Mississippi     6.  TCU
7.  Mississippi     7.  Illinois        7.  Army            7.  Georgia Tech
8.  Tennessee       8.  Georgia Tech    8.  Maryland        8.  Auburn
9.  Alabama         9.  Iowa            9.  Wisconsin       9.  Notre Dame
10. Texas           10. W. Virginia     10. Arkansas        10. Mississippi
11. Wisconsin       11. Texas           11. Miami (Fla)     11. Pitt
12. Tulsa           12. Texas Tech      12. W. Virginia     12. Michigan
13. Maryland        13. Alabama         13. Auburn          13. Southern Cal
14. Syracuse        14. Army            14. Duke            14. Miami (Fla)
15. Florida         15. Wisconsin       15. Michigan        15. Miami (Ohio)
16. Duke            16. Kentucky        16. Virginia Tech   16. Stanford
17. Ohio St.        17. Auburn          17. Southern Cal    17. Texas A&M
18. Purdue          18. Duke            18. Baylor          18. Navy
19. Princeton       19. Stanford        19. Rice            19. W. Virginia
20. Kentucky        20. Michigan        20. Penn St.        20. Army


    1956                1957                1958                1959

1.  Oklahoma        1.  Auburn          1.  LSU             1.  Syracuse
2.  Tennessee       2.  Ohio St.        2.  Iowa            2.  Mississippi
3.  Iowa            3.  Michigan St.    3.  Army            3.  LSU
4.  Goergia Tech    4.  Oklahoma        4.  Auburn          4.  Texas
5.  Texas A&M       5.  Navy            5.  Oklahoma        5.  Georgia
6.  Miami (Fla)     6.  Iowa            6.  Air Force       6.  Wisconsin
7.  Michigan        7.  Mississippi     7.  Wisconsin       7.  TCU
8.  Syracuse        8.  Rice            8.  Ohio St.        8.  Washington
9.  Michigan St.    9.  Texas A&M       9.  Syracuse        9.  Arkansas
10. Oregon St.      10. Notre Dame      10. TCU             10. Alabama
11. Baylor          11. Texas           11. Mississippi     11. Clemson
12. Minnesota       12. Arizona St.     12. Clemson         12. Penn St.
13. Pitt            13. Tennessee       13. Purdue          13. Illinois
14. TCU             14. Mississippi St. 14. Florida         14. Southern Cal
15. Ohio St.        15. N.C. State      15. S. Carolina     15. Oklahoma
16. Navy            16. Duke            16. California      16. Wyoming
17. Geo. Washington 17. Florida         17. Notre Dame      17. Notre Dame
18. Soutehrn Cal    18. Army            18. SMU             18. Missouri
19. Clemson         19. Wisconsin       19. Oklahoma St.    19. Florida
20. Colorado        20. Va. Military    20. Rutgers         20. Pitt


    1960                1961                1962                1963

1.  Minnesota       1.  Alabama         1.  Southern Cal    1.  Texas
2.  Mississippi     2.  Ohio St.        2.  Wisconsin       2.  Navy
3.  Iowa            3.  Texas           3.  Mississippi     3.  Illinois
4.  Navy            4.  LSU             4.  Texas           4.  Pitt
5.  Missouri        5.  Mississippi     5.  Alabama         5.  Auburn
6.  Washington      6.  Minnesota       6.  Arkansas        6.  Nebraska
7.  Arkansas        7.  Colorado        7.  LSU             7.  Mississippi
8.  Ohio St.        8.  Michigan St.    8.  Oklahoma        8.  Alabama
9.  Alabama         9.  Arkansas        9.  Penn St.        9.  Oklahoma
10. Duke            10. Utah St.        10. Minnesota       10. Michigan St.
11. Kansas          11. Missouri        (only ten ranked)   (only ten ranked)
12. Baylor          12. Purdue
13. Auburn          13. Goergia Tech
14. Yale            14. Syracuse
15. Michigan St.    15. Rutgers
16. Penn St.        16. UCLA
17. New Mexico St.  17. Rice
18. Florida             Penn St.
19. Syracuse            Arizona
    Purdue          20. Duke


    1964                1965                1966                1967

1.  Alabama         1.  Alabama         1.  Notre Dame      1.  Southern Cal
2.  Arkansas        2.  Michigan St.    2.  Michigan St.    2.  Tennessee
3.  Notre Dame      3.  Arkansas        3.  Alabama         3.  Oklahoma
4.  Michigan        4.  UCLA            4.  Georgia         4.  Indiana
5.  Texas           5.  Nebraska        5.  UCLA            5.  Notre Dame
6.  Nebraska        6.  Missouri        6.  Nebraska        6.  Wyoming
7.  LSU             7.  Tennessee       7.  Purdue          7.  Oregon St.
8.  Oregon St.      8.  LSU             8.  Georgia Tech    8.  Alabama
9.  Ohio St.        9.  Notre Dame      9.  Miami (Fla)     9.  Purdue
10. Southern Cal    10. Southern Cal    10. SMU             10. Penn St.
(only ten ranked)   (only ten ranked)   (only ten ranked)   (only ten ranked)


    1968                1969                1970                1971

1.  Ohio St.        1.  Texas           1.  Nebraska        1.  Nebraska
2.  Penn St.        2.  Penn St.        2.  Notre Dame      2.  Oklahoma
3.  Texas           3.  Southern Cal    3.  Texas           3.  Colorado
4.  Southern Cal    4.  Ohio St.        4.  Tennessee       4.  Alabama
5.  Notre Dame      5.  Notre Dame      5.  Ohio St.        5.  Penn St.
6.  Nebraska        6.  Missouri        6.  Arizona St.     6.  Michigan
7.  Kansas          7.  Arkansas        7.  LSU             7.  Georgia
8.  Georgia         8.  Mississippi     8.  Stanford        8.  Arizona St.
9.  Missouri        9.  Michigan        9.  Michigan        9.  Tennessee
10. Purdue          10. LSU             10. Auburn          10. Stanford
11. Oklahoma        11. Nebraska        11. Arkansas        11. LSU
12. Michigan        12. Houston         12. Toledo          12. Auburn
13. Tennessee       13. UCLA            13. Georgia Tech    13. Notre Dame
14. SMU             14. Florida         14. Dartmouth       14. Toledo
15. Oregon St.      15. Tennessee       15. Southern Cal    15. Mississippi
16. Auburn          16. Colorado        16. Air Force       16. Arkansas
17. Alabama         17. W. Virginia     17. Tulane          17. Houston
18. Houston         18. Purdue          18. Penn St.        18. Texas
19. LSU             19. Stanford        19. Houston         19. Washington
20. Ohio Univ.      20. Auburn          20. Oklahoma        20. Washington
                                            Misssissippi


    1972                1973                1974                1975

1.  Southern Cal    1.  Notre Dame      1.  Oklahoma        1.  Oklahoma
2.  Oklahoma        2.  Ohio St.        2.  Southern Cal    2.  Arizona St.
3.  Texas           3.  Oklahoma        3.  Michigan        3.  Alabama
4.  Nebraska        4.  Alabama         4.  Ohio St.        4.  Ohio St.
5.  Auburn          5.  Penn St.        5.  Alabama         5.  UCLA
6.  Michigan        6.  Michigan        5.  Notre Dame      6.  Texas
7.  Alabama         7.  Nebraska        7.  Penn St.        7.  Arkansas
8.  Tennessee       8.  Southern Cal    8.  Auburn          8.  Michigan
9.  Ohio St.        9.  Arizona St.     9.  Nebraska        9.  Nebraska
10. Penn St.            Houston         10. Miami (Ohio)    10. Penn St.
11. LSU             11. Texas Tech      11. N.C. State      11. Texas A&M
12. N. Carolina     12. UCLA            12. Michigan St.    12. Miami (Ohio)
13. Arizona St.     13. LSU             13. Maryland        13. Maryland
14. Notre Dame      14. Texas           14. Baylor          14. California
15. UCLA            15. Miami (Ohio)    15. Florida         15. Pitt
16. Colorado        16. N.C. State      16. Texas A&M       16. Colorado
17. N.C. State      17. Missouri        17. Mississippi St. 17. Southern Cal
18. Louisville      18. Kansas              Texas           18. Arizona
19. Washington St.  19. Tennessee       19. Houston         19. Georgia
20. Georgia Tech    20. Maryland        20. Tennessee       20. W. Virginia
                        Tulane


    1976                1977                1978                1979

1.  Pitt            1.  Notre Dame      1.  Alabama         1.  Alabama
2.  Southern Cal    2.  Alabama         2.  Southern Cal    2.  Southern Cal
3.  Michigan        3.  Arkansas        3.  Oklahoma        3.  Oklahoma
4.  Houston         4.  Texas           4.  Penn St.        4.  Ohio St.
5.  Oklahoma        5.  Penn St.        5.  Michigan        5.  Houston
6.  Ohio St.        6.  Kentucky        6.  Clemson         6.  Florida St.
7.  Texas A&M       7.  Oklahoma        7.  Notre Dame      7.  Pitt
8.  Maryland        8.  Pitt            8.  Nebraska        8.  Arkansas
9.  Nebraska        9.  Michigan        9.  Texas           9.  Nebraska
10. Georgia         10. Washington      10. Houston         10. Purdue
11. Alabama         11. Ohio St.        11. Arkansas        11. Washington
12. Notre Dame      12. Nebraska        12. Michigan St.    12. Texas
13. Texas Tech      13. Southern Cal    13. Purdue          13. Brigham Young
14. Oklahoma St.    14. Florida St.     14. UCLA            14. Baylor
15. UCLA            15. Stanford        15. Missouri        15. N. Carolina
16. Colorado        16. San Diego St.   16. Georgia         16. Auburn
17. Rutgers         17. N. Carolina     17. Stanford        17. Temple
18. Kentucky        18. Arizona St.     18. N.C. State      18. Michigan
19. Iowa St.        19. Clemson         19. Texas A&M       19. Indiana
20. Mississippi St. 20. Brigham Young   20. Maryland        20. Penn St.


    1980                1981                1982                1983

1.  Georgia         1.  Clemson         1.  Penn St.        1.  Miami (Fla)
2.  Pitt            2.  Texas           2.  SMU             2.  Nebraska
3.  Oklahoma        3.  Penn St.        3.  Nebraska        3.  Auburn
4.  Michigan        4.  Pitt            4.  Georgia         4.  Georgia
5.  Florida St.     5.  SMU             5.  UCLA            5.  Texas
6.  Alabama         6.  Georgia         6.  Arizona St.     6.  Florida
7.  Nebraska        7.  Alabama         7.  Washington      7.  Brigham Young
8.  Penn St.        8.  Miami (Fla)     8.  Clemson         8.  Michigan
9.  Notre Dame      9.  N. Carolina     9.  Arkansas        9.  Ohio St.
10. N. Carolina     10. Washington      10. Pitt            10. Illinois
11. Southern Cal    11. Nebraska        11. LSU             11. Clemson
12. Brigham Young   12. Michigan        12. Ohio St.        12. SMU
13. UCLA            13. Brigham Young   13. Florida St.     13. Air Force
14. Baylor          14. Southern Cal    14. Auburn          14. Iowa
15. Ohio St.        15. Ohio St.        15. Southern Cal    15. Alabama
16. Washington      16. Arizona St.     16. Oklahoma        16. W. Virginia
17. Purdue          17. W. Virginia     17. Texas           17. UCLA
18. Miami (Fla)     18. Iowa            18. N. Carolina     18. Pitt
19. Mississippi St. 19. Missouri        19. W. Virginia     19. Boston Coll.
20. SMU             20. Oklahoma        20. Maryland        20. E. Carolina


    1984                1985                1986                1987

1.  Brigham Young   1.  Oklahoma        1.  Penn St.        1.  Miami (Fla)
2.  Washington      2.  Michigan        2.  Miami (Fla)     2.  Florida St.
3.  Florida         3.  Penn St.        3.  Oklahoma        3.  Oklahoma
4.  Nebraska        4.  Tennessee       4.  Arizona St.     4.  Syracuse
5.  Boston College  5.  Florida         5.  Nebraska        5.  LSU
6.  Oklahoma        6.  Texas A&M       6.  Auburn          6.  Nebraska
7.  Oklahoma St.    7.  UCLA            7.  Ohio St.        7.  Auburn
8.  SMU             8.  Air Force       8.  Michigan        8.  Michigan St.
9.  UCLA            9.  Miami (Fla)     9.  Alabama         9.  UCLA
10. Southern Cal    10. Iowa            10. LSU             10. Texas A&M
11. S. Carolina     11. Nebraska        11. Arizona         11. Oklahoma St.
12. Maryland        12. Arkansas        12. Baylor          12. Clemson
13. Ohio St.        13. Alabama         13. Texas A&M       13. Georgia
14. Auburn          14. Ohio St.        14. UCLA            14. Tennessee
15. LSU             15. Florida St.     15. Arkansas        15. S. Carolina
16. Iowa            16. Brigham Young   16. Iowa            16. Iowa
17. Florida St.     17. Baylor          17. Clemson         17. Notre Dame
18. Miami (Fla)     18. Maryland        18. Washington      18. Southern Cal
19. Kentucky        19. Georgia Tech    19. Boston Coll.    19. Michigan
20. Virginia        20. LSU             20. Virginia Tech   20. Arizona St.


    1988                1989                1990                1991

1.  Notre Dame      1.  Miami (Fla)     1.  Colorado        1.  Miami (Fla)
2.  Miami (Fla)     2.  Notre Dame      2.  Georgia Tech    2.  Washington
3.  Florida St.     3.  Flroida St.     3.  Miami (Fla)     3.  Penn St.
4.  Michigan        4.  Colorado        4.  Florida St.     4.  Florida St.
5.  W. Virginia     5.  Tennessee       5.  Washington      5.  Alabama
6.  UCLA            6.  Auburn          6.  Notre Dame      6.  Michigan
7.  Southern Cal    7.  Michigan        7.  Michigan        7.  Florida
8.  Auburn          8.  Southern Cal    8.  Tennessee       8.  California
9.  Clemson         9.  Alabama         9.  Clemson         9.  E. Carolina
10. Nebraska        10. Illinois        10. Houston         10. Iowa
11. Oklahoma St.    11. Nebraska        11. Penn St.        11. Syracuse
12. Arkansas        12. Clemson         12. Texas           12. Texas A&M
13. Syracuse        13. Arkansas        13. Florida         13. Notre Dame
14. Oklahoma        14. Houston         14. Louisville      14. Tennessee
15. Goergia         15. Penn St.        15. Texas A&M       15. Nebraska
16. Washington St.  16. Michigan St.    16. Michigan St.    16. Oklahoma
17. Alabama         17. Pitt            17. Oklahoma        17. Georgia
18. Houston         18. Virginia        18. Iowa            18. Clemson
19. LSU             19. Texas Tech      19. Auburn          19. UCLA
20. Indiana         20. Texas A&M       20. Southern Cal    20. Colorado
                    21. W. Virginia     21. Mississippi     21. Tulsa
                    22. Brigham Young   22. Brigham Young   22. Stanford
                    23. Washington      23. Virginia        23. Brigham Young
                    24. Ohio St.        24. Nebraska        24. N.C. State
                    25. Arizona         25. Illinois        25. Air Force


                        1992                1993

                    1.  Alabama         1.  Florida St.
                    2.  Florida St.     2.  Notre Dame
                    3.  Miami (Fla)     3.  Nebraska
                    4.  Notre Dame      4.  Auburn
                    5.  Michigan        5.  Florida
                    6.  Syracuse        6.  Wisconsin
                    7.  Texas A&M       7.  W. Virginia
                    8.  Georgia         8.  Penn St.
                    9.  Stanford        9.  Texas A&M
                    10. Florida         10. Arizona
                    11. Washington      11. Ohio St.
                    12. Tennessee       12. Tennessee
                    13. Colorado        13. Boston Coll.
                    14. Nebraska        14. Alabama
                    15. Washington St.  15. Miami (Fla)
                    16. Mississippi     16. Colorado
                    17. N.C. State      17. Oklahoma
                    18. Ohio St.        18. UCLA
                    19. N. Carolina     19. N. Carolina
                    20. Hawaii          20. Kansas St.
                    21. Boston Coll.    21. Michigan
                    22. Kansas          22. Virginia Tech
                    23. Mississippi St. 23. Clemson
                    24. Fresno St.      24. Louisville
                    25. Wake Forest     25. California

 Well, it looks like that highly touted running from Detroit, Chris Floyd,
 just backed out of his commitment to Colorado. He's now going to Michigan.
 However, the Buffs did get a firm commitment from a highly regarded outside
 linebacker named Tyronne Bussey. He's also from Detroit. I wonder who will
 back out next week. 

 This recruiting must be very frustrating for the coaches.

	Keith

> This recruiting must be very frustrating for the coaches.

Imagine how the boosters who pay the big bucks feel.

The Crazy Met

  A local sports radio show had an interview with Tom Lemming who is considered
  an expert on high school talent and recruiting. A couple of interesting
  things came out in the show. 

  1. When asked "Which teams have been the most successful in recruiting in 
     the last 10 years ?", Lemming answered by saying it was a toss up 
     between Florida State and Michigan. He then said Notre Dame was 3rd but 
     Tennesse was very close to Notre Dame. He would place Colorado in the 
     top 10, but near the bottom. 

  2. USC is once again becoming a national recruiting power.

  3. The big surprises so far this year are Boston College and North Carolina.

  4. So far, Oklahoma is doing the best job of recruiting in the Big 8. But
     there are still many quality players who have not made commitments so that
     could easily change in the next 10 days.

  5. Wisconsin can now be considered a national recruiting power. In the last 
     few years, it has made dramatic improvements and continues to do so.

  6. He called Mac one of the very best closers in the business. The next 10
     days is when the work of the closer or head coach is most critical.

	Keith 

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The following article is taken (w/o permission) from the 25 Jan 94
edition of the Des Moines Register:

Title:  Sioux City West's Elder chooses Nebraska
Subtitle:  State's Best Prep Quarterback

Two visits were all Jon Elder needed to choose the University of
Nebraska.

The first was a visit from Nebraska fooball coach Tom Osborne.  The
second was Elder's visit to the university the weekend of Jan. 15.

Elder, quarterback at Sioux City West, told Nebraska coaches last
week he would join the team.  Two personal pitches by Osborne--one on
a visit to Elder's house, the second on Elder's trip to the Nebraska
campus--sealed the decision, Elder said.

"Basically, he said he'd love to see me in red and white," Elder said.
"He didn't offer me a scholarship right away, but when I made my
visit, he asked me if I would take one.  I was shocked.  He said
they'd like to throw more and said I was the type of person who could
lead them to a Big Eight championship and a national championship."

Elder, the Des Moines Sunday Register's elite team quarterback, said
Iowa State recruited him and Iowa showed some interest in him as a
defensive back.

Elder, at 6 feet 3 inches and 195 pounds, has run 40 yards in 4.67
seconds, but passing is his strength.  He started two seasons for a
team that previously had lost 40 consecutive games and led it to
records of 4-5 as a junior and 7-3, including a playoff berth, last
season.

As a senior, Elder completed 103 of 192 passes for 1,630 yards and 12
touchdowns to lead the Sioux Interstate Conference in passing for the
second consecutive season.  He also ran for more than 40 yards.

Elder also is seventh among the state's Class 4-A boys' basketball
players in scoring with an average of 19 poionts a game.

"He's got the physical tools," Sioux City West football coach Al
Charlson said.  "I've been coaching since 1968 and I've never had a
kid like this.  He high jumps 6 feet 5 inches, he's leading the
conference in scoring in basketball and he got a 27 on his (American
College Test).  He does it all."


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    	"ran for over 40 yards"
    
    
    	Ooooh!
    
    Claybone  :*)

It's probably a typo.

  If you take this recruiting stuff too seriously, ya might just end up
  on the funny farm. With that said here's the latest on Buff recruiting:

    Colorado had early commitments from 2 very good running backs but both 
    backed out. Ali Evans backed out because his brother improved his grades 
    enough to get a scholarship to Wash State. He now wants to play on the 
    same team as his brother. Chris Floyd, who appears as the nations top 
    running back on some lists, backed out because of family pressure to 
    stay close to home. He's now going to Michigan.

    While CU lost a good running back to Michigan, they also got a very good
    running back who backed out of his commitment to Michigan. Rafael Cooper 
    of Detroit will now wear Black n Gold. They also got a commit from
    Hershael Troutman who's from somewhere in Florida. He's one of a handful
    who gained over 6000 yards in his high school career. But at 165 lbs., he's
    kind of small. Also, the Buffs got another commit from a highly regarded
    running back who earlier said YES to Tennesse. He'll be the first guy from 
    Tennesse to wear Black n Gold since 1964. The Volunteers aren't too happy
    about losin this guy(can't remember his name). To top it all off, the guy
    who appears on most lists as the nation's top running back will announce 
    today between CU and USC. His name is Delon Washington of Dallas Kimball
    and he is a good friend of current Buff LB, Allen Wilbon. These guys are all
    Flanker/Halfback types. The Buffs also got a guy named Leon Merritt
    to replace James Hill at Fullback. He can also be used as a tight end
    and linebacker. Merritt was rated as the best overall prospect in the
    mid-west by Superprep. A week ago, the Buffs were desperate at running
    back. Now, it looks like they'll be overloaded.

    The Buffs struck out on the 3 QB's they were chasing. Josh Booty, who 
    appears as the nation's top over all prospect on many lists, picked
    LSU over CU only because CU doesn't have a baseball team. Sound familiar ?

    It looks like the Buffs will also strike out on the 1 or 2 kickers they
    have been chasing.

    Coleman Johnson, who is one of the most highly regarded offensive linemen,
    picked CU. I'm surprised they landed him. 

    DB, Elton Davis, of Boulder picked the Buffs. The coaches know him very
    well since he's been in their summer camps. He's already being compared
    to Chris Hudson and Deon Figures. They think he may be able to start his
    freshman year. He may be the best player the Buffs have gotten. Tom Lemming
    has said that he could play running back, DB or wide receiver on most any
    team in the country. The local press calls him a huge talent. He's also
    a very good student. Michigan lost out on him also.

    The Buffs even landed a good tight end from Oklahoma. For years, the 
    Colorado talent would go to Oklahoma. Now it's starting to shift the
    other way.

    At linebacker, a guy named Tiger Bussey from Detroit committed. He supposed
    to be very good. A couple of other top linebackers are close to committing.

    A week ago, it looked kind of bad but now it looks like CU should end
    up with a very good recruiting class. 

	Keith

>He said they'd like to throw more .....

  Marty, you better go back and check your sources. That's like saying
  bears don't poop in the forest or the pope isn't Catholic.

	Keith

First off, a large percentage of Blue-Chip recruites don't pan out anyway.
So take any and all new about recruiting, no matter what source, with a
grain of salt.

>>He said they'd like to throw more .....

>  Marty, you better go back and check your sources. That's like saying
>  bears don't poop in the forest or the pope isn't Catholic.

>	Keith

Please read the note carefully. I did not write it. That's why I included 
the mail headers. I was simply passing on mail I recieved over the Internet
Husker mailing list. On top of that, the author has typed in a newspaper
article, so you are actually quoting the Des Moines Register and asking me
to check my sources on their statement.

On that subject, I'm thinking the Orange Bowl showed Osborne something. NU
threw for 280 yards in that game (FSU for 286) and almost won. Dr. Tom is
a man of integrity, if he says NU would "like to throw more" then he would
like to throw more. Keep in mind one thing though, Osborne won't put it up
unless he feels he has the talent to do so. Remember when NU had Vince
Faragammo? They threw alot then. As Frazier improves his passing ability
and matures, I think you will see more of "Aire Ozzie."

Husker Henderson

>First off, a large percentage of Blue-Chip recruites don't pan out anyway.
>So take any and all new about recruiting, no matter what source, with a
>grain of salt.

  Yep, you're absolutely right. Look at people like Marshall Faulk or Barry 
  Sanders or Trent Dilpher. In each case, they were not highly recruited 
  and when they were recruited, they were often told that their only chance 
  of making the team was to play defensive back or some other position. Also, 
  I remember 3 years ago, CU got 2 highly ranked running backs named Kontroy 
  Barber and Kendall Bussey. Where are those guys now ? Nobody knows. 
  On the other hand, people like Tommie Frazier, Rashaan Salaam and Trev
  Alberts have lived up to their billing. Recruiting is often a crap shoot
  but some coaches, Osborne included, are better at cutting through the
  hype of Tom Lemming and others and finding the athelete with true potential
  and then knowing how to develope it.

  Marty, I still say that Osborne throwing more is like the Pope going to 
  Mecca for a religious conversion.

	Keith

> {Some of Keith's text deleted}
>  Recruiting is often a crap shoot
>  but some coaches, Osborne included, are better at cutting through the
>  hype of Tom Lemming and others and finding the athelete with true potential
>  and then knowing how to develope it.

You said it all right there Keith. It's what you do with the kids after you
get them. Another point is that many of the Blue Chippers are head cases as
they come out of high school. If they don't get their heads screwed on 
properly after they get to college they don't make it. Some of them may have
drug problems or whatever. A college coach needs to learn how to figure out
whats in a kids head, if thats possible.


>  Marty, I still say that Osborne throwing more is like the Pope going to 
>  Mecca for a religious conversion.

>	Keith

In the traditional sense you are right. It does seem strange. Perhpas the 
balance is to realize this: no matter how much Osborne throws the ball, it
will ALWAYS be in the context of the running game. In the Orange Bowl vs
FSU, NU ran, ran, ran. Osborne did not start to open up with the passing
game unitl NU started having success with the run.

Another thing, Osborne said he would like to pass "more." Osborne passing 
"more" is still not passing as much as many other schools do. 

Marty

  A little more on the recruiting crap shoot: John Riegel is a Denver radio
  talk show host on KYBG. He seems to know more about recruiting and high
  school talent than anyone else in the Colorado media. He claims, that after
  3 years(sophmore year for a redshirt), only 1 out of 3 Blue chip recruits
  is starting for a team. Now, I'm sure that the Michigan's, FSU's and ND's
  influence this stat somewhat since most of their players are Blue Chip
  recruits and they basically have to sit on the bench to wait their turn.
  But it does go to show that recruiting is still a crap shoot to some degree.

  But, at this time of year, what else do us college football fans have to
  follow ? It may as well be recruiting.

	Keith

  Well, the recruiting wars are over for this year. last night, KOA 
  interviewed Tom Lemming for his analysis. Here's his rankings from memory:

	1. Tennesse
	2. Ohio State
	3. Michigan
	4. FSU
	5. USC
	6. Alabama
	7. Penn State
	8. ? 
	9. Notre Dame
	10. North Carolina

  Lemming puts Colorado somewhere between 11 and 15 nationally but at the 
  top of the Big 8. The Buffs came on strong in the last week. Oklahoma
  did the 2nd best job. Lemming then said that OSU, Kansas and Nebraska were
  virtually tied for 3rd 4th and 5th in the Big 8. On the news, they showed 
  some film clips of some of CU's recruits. The one that impressed me the
  most was DL, Mike Lorentz , of Thornton Co. He looked totally awesome.
  Now I can see why he was so highly rated. They also showed some film of 
  a local guy named Marcus Washington from Harrison high. Mac is very high 
  on this kid even though the national rankings didn't have him on any 
  top 200 lists. 

	Keith

Who is Tom Lemming??

The Crazy Met

    
>>Who is Tom Lemming??
    
    I dunno, but is he headed, almost blindly, for the sea???
    
    JaKe
    

>Who is Tom Lemming??
    
  He's probably the most widely recognized expert on national high school
  talent and college recruiting. For 6 months of the year, he literally
  sleeps in a different bed everynight as he goes from town to town across
  the USA evaluating HS players. Everytime I heard him interviewed, he was 
  on a car phone. He's the publisher of either Prep Football Report or 
  SuperPrep. I can't remember which. Allen Wallace writes the other
  and he's probably the 2nd most widely recognized expert on HS talent.
  
  Most college coaches say that these guys do a terrific job but sometimes
  they seem to show bias to particular geographic areas.

	Keith

    Hey I've known folks who slept in a different bed every night for a
    month and were known as studs; wow 6 months!
    
    The Crazy Met
    

By the way, if you want to get onto the Internet Husker mailing list, then
send mail to decpa::"huskers@tower.tssi.com"  On the Subject line put the
word SUBSCRIBE. I know you CU fans will want to jump on the bandwagon right
away!   ;^)


From:	DECPA::"huskers@notes.tssi.com" "MAIL-11 Daemon"  4-FEB-1994 00:36:05.55
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It's being called a 'top 20 caliber, maybe a lot better than that' recruiting 
class by some 'experts', and not listed in the top 10 by others.

Tom Osborne said it was one of the most difficult recruiting years in
recent memory, but they finished strong.  "We looked for speed and athletic
abiliy and I think we got plenty of both and with a pretty good distribution
by position."

"In terms of effort and trying to get over the hump with players, getting
them to say 'yes', I can't remember a year that took more work, travel, and
effort and was jammed into a shorter time."

Nebraska only signed three in-state recruits, partially because it was not
a particulary strong year for in-state players.  They offered just 4 
scholarships to Nebraskans, and only Ty Goode went elsewhere.  Super State 
defensive player of the year Ted Butler, Super State DE Travis Toline, and 
Class B all-state OL Brandt Wade all accepted NU scholarships.  For only
the third time in the past decade, Nebraska signed less than five in-state
players.  (4 in 1988, 3 in 1989)

They got one of the top junior college running backs, and a transfer receiver 
from Arizona State, and found a kicker on the baseball team.  'Names' among 
the signees include prep All-American DB Try Crayton, OL Constantine 
Dumitrescu, WR/DB Jay Foreman, TE Dorrick Roy, and two of the top defensive 
linemen recruits in the nation:  tackle Jason Wiltz and OLB Grant Wistrom.

Osborne was disappointed that they got only one QB, Jon Elder, their goal
was two.  With Ben Rutz having transferred to Northeastern Oklahoma A&M,
and Brook Berringer's periodic elbow problem, Osborne says Nebraska is 
'awfully thin' at QB.  Elder may redshirt.

Amp Campbell did not sign a letter of intent, the only player who gave an
oral committment that didn't, because he wants to pass the ACT exam and
satisfy academic qualifications rather than become a Prop 48 player.

Kenny Cheatham, a Prep All-American receiver from AZ is currently
considering track or basketball options, but indicated that if he decides
to play college football he will sign with Nebraska.

The weekend incidents involving players and recruits kept the coaches busy
on the phone just ahead of the signing deadline.  Most of the recruits had
been contacted by the press or by other schools to see if there were any
changes of heart.

Tom Osborne pledged to stand behind Tyrone Williams, although he said he
takes matters involving the law very seriously and cannot condone actions
that violate the law.  Tyrone Williams was charged today with two felony
counts, unlawful discharge of a firearm (under Nebraska's 'drive-by shooting
law', and with using a weapon to commit a felony.  Williams was released on
his own recognisance and has another hearing on February 14th.  If convicted,
he could face a maximum sentence of 15 years.

Osborne declined to comment further on the particulars of the case, but
said that Williams will have to pay for his own attorney.  Williams' status
on the team will be determined by what happens in court, Osborne said.

If you tune in to the NU-Kansas game on ABC Sunday, you may see some
changes in the Husker's strategy.  Nee wants 6'7 forward Bruce Chubick to
move in closer to the basket, to 'make the defense play honest.'

Tinkering with the offense 17 games into the season is 'a significant
adjustment', Nee admitted, but he has to do something.  The Huskers
are riding a 3 game losing streak, and play four of their next five games
on the road.

Nebraska recruits signed Wednesday:

Ted Butler, Lincoln Southeast, OL
Troy Crayton, El Camino CA, OT
Constantine Dumitrecu, Hayward CA, OT
Jon Elder, Sioux City IA, QB
Darin Erstat, Jamestown ND, kicker (scholarship transferred from baseball)
Jay Foreman, Eden Prairie MN, DB 
Sheldon Jackson, Lavern CA, TE
Travis Toline, Wahoo NE, DE/OG
Brian Knuckles, West Charlotte NC, RB (transfer from Coffeyville KS JC)
John Livingston, Hemet CA, WR (transfer from Arizona State)
Octavious McFarlin, Bastrop TX, DB
David Reddick, Camden NJ, WB
Dorrick Roy, Van Nuys CA, TE
Mike Rucker, Benton NE, OLB
Brandt Wade, Platteview NE, lineman
Eric Warfield, Texarkana TX, DB
Shevin Wiggins, Bradenton FL, WB
Jason Wiltz, New Orleans LA, DT
Grant Wistrom, Webb City MO, OLB

And finally, FSU coach Bobby Bowden was the guest speaker at an intimate 
dinner party for 1200 held at the Bob Devaney Sports Center tonight in honor 
of Tom Osborne's 200th victory.  Bowden told a story he heard from Nancy
Osborne about her first date with Tom.  She said she had to slap him 3 times,
but not because he was getting fresh, she just wanted to make sure he was
still alive.
--
Mike Nolan


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>>scholarships to Nebraskans, and only Ty Goode went elsewhere.  
                                       ^^^^^^^^
    
    And ah knows where he went!  8^)
    


>>Kenny Cheatham, a Prep All-American receiver from AZ 
        ^^^^^^^^
    
    Hmmmmm. With a name like dat, is this guy naturally drawn to
    Nebraska, or maybe Oklahoma??  8^)
    
    
    MikeL
    

    there were a lot of good locals that slipped through the cracks.  Both
    Snyder and Tomey are dumbfounded on their poor recruiting record in AZ. 
    If it weren't for California, both programs would be in tough shape.

>    What happened to all those homegrown Arizonans you keep telling us
>    about.  I guess they're actually Californians in disguise.
    
    Mac, were you trying to ask a question without using a "?"?
    
    Hize (The Question_Mark Police)

  Charles Johnson continues to become more famous. Yesterday, some group,
  which I can't remember, selected the most amazing play of the year in
  college football. It was the 50 yard TD pass from Lamont Warren to Charles
  Johnson against Oklahoma. In that play, Warren, who slipped on the turf, was 
  falling backwards as he released the bomb to Johnson. Meanwhile Johnson was 
  on the ground and an Oklahoma defender was pulling on his shirt to prevent
  CJ from going after the ball. Somehow CJ caught it for a TD while Oklahoma
  was penalized for pass interference. Just one of many amazing catches by CJ.
  They also selected the final kick in the BC/ND game, which ruined ND's
  national championship, as the most dramatic play of the year. 

  ESPN draft analyst, Mel Kiper, says that CJ will be the first wide
  receiver to be picked in the draft. Last week he had him going as the 15th
  pick overall to New Orleans. this week, he has him going as the 17th pick
  overall to Pittsburgh. I hope he's right this week.

	Keith

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From:	DECPA::"huskers@notes.tssi.com" "MAIL-11 Daemon" 10-FEB-1994 00:36:57.18
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I've had a cold lately, so I haven't posted much.  

I assume most of you heard about or watched the game with Kansas on Sunday, 
Nebraska fought back valiantly from a 12 or 14 point deficit to actually 
take a five point lead midway through the second half, but the team basically 
was outmuscled and ran out of steam, losing 94-87.  The ABC announcing crew 
was rather impressed with Eric Piatkowski's play.

Reserve player Tom Best was given an excused leave of absence for three
days and was not available for the Kansas game.  Best had an attitude problem,
according to Danny Nee, and needed a few days to think over his committment
to the team.  Best has since rejoined the team.  Jason Glock also sat out
the Kansas game, he has been nursing a sore ankle.

The team rebounded from their four game conference losing streak tonight,
winning on the road at Kansas State 76-68 despite being behind most of the
game.  At the midway point in the conference schedule, the team is 3-4 and 
13-6 overall.  The team plays another televised game against Oklahoma next 
Monday, as part of ESPN's Big Monday package. 

Channel 7 in Omaha was reporting yesterday that the organizers have said
that Nebraska will face Fresno State in the Pigskin Classic in Anaheim this 
August.  There has been no confirmation of this from officials at Nebraska.

Jack Pierce, former NU recruiting coordinator and now director of athletic
development (ie, chief fundraiser) spoke to the Downtown Lincoln Rotary Club 
on Tuesday.  Among the topics discussed were UNL's new ticket policy for
Memorial Stadium, where fans holding more than 4 season tickets will be 
required to donate $125 or more per ticket in order to retain all seats.  
Fans with 4 or fewer tickets will not be required to make donations at this
time.  (There were 499 persons holding 5 or more tickets that had made no
donations to the athletic department for at least five years, Pierce said that
UNL expects to get between $100,000 and $200,000 from the policy change.)

Pierce also said that the rumored CBS TV deal with the SEC and Big East 
conferences may signal the end of the CFA, and that if that happens some 
kind of conference re-alignment is 'inevitable'.  The question of what 
happens to the Big Eight's Orange Bowl deal is one of the many issues that 
would have to be resolved, at last report there have been no substantial 
negotiations between the Big 8 Conference and the Orange Bowl on a renewal or 
extension of the pact.

Pierce also said that new AD Bill Byrne has three year plans, five year plans,
seven year plans, and ten year plans.  He said that it wasn't that Bob 
Devaney didn't have any such plans, but 'now everybody else knows about them, 
too!'

Nebraska has taken over the marketing of this spring's NCAA men's gymnastic
championship, and is hoping to fill seats by selling corporate blocks, seeking
sponsors to buy tickets for gymnastic clubs, YMCA/YWCA and other organizations, 
underprivileged and retarded youth, etc.  There are currently only 32 teams
in NCAA Division I that field men's gymnastic teams, the minimum needed to
conduct an NCAA championship.  Pierce stated that men's gymnastics could
be the next sport to die, but that Nebraska is committed to helping to save
the sport.  (NCAA rules also require that the championships show a profit
if there are less than 48 teams involved in the sport, hence the ticket 
campaign.)
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  Bud Wilkinson died yesterday. He was one of the great coaches in the
  history of college football. While coaching Oklahoma, he won 3 national
  championships and once won 47 straight games. 

	Keith

>  Bud Wilkinson died yesterday. He was one of the great coaches in the
>  history of college football. While coaching Oklahoma, he won 3 national
>  championships and once won 47 straight games. 
    
    Yep.  I posted a short entry over in the R.I.P. note, Keith.  The man 
    was still god in Oklahoma when I lived there, ten years after his 
    retirement.  Wilkinson was in the old mold of coaches as university
    educators on loan, possessing the advanced degrees, teaching and
    coaching football at the same time before that arrangement became 
    impractical...
    
    glenn

    He was a college football announcer for a number of years too.  Good
    voice and delivery, very professional.

>>               -< I don't want to hear about 1957, MikeL... ;-) >-
    
    
Hey, I didn't say a word (mighta thought it...). Ya think I'm the
    type of guy who correlates evathang in college football
    to something in ND history?? Er....never mind.
    
        
    >>Yep.  I posted a short entry over in the R.I.P. note, Keith.  The man 
    >>was still god in Oklahoma when I lived there, ten years after his 
    >>retirement.  Wilkinson was in the old mold of coaches as university
    >>educators on loan, possessing the advanced degrees, teaching and
    >>coaching football at the same time before that arrangement became 
    >>impractical...
    
    The man commanded respect.  When Bud spoke, people listened..
    except announcin' the Sugar Bowl in '73 when I wanted to strangle
    him.. 8^)
    Seriously, he was at the top of the profession.
    
    
    
    glenn

    Sooo what's new out on the prairie???
    
    Did the Big 8 make it official and extend the invitation for
    Texas, Texas A&M. Texas Tech, and Baylor to join the Big 8(12?)
    starting in 1996? The SWC deal with ABC as I unnerstands it runs
    out after 1995. Will Mizzou and ISU defect to the Big Ten(11 or 13?)?  
    
    Anybody out there want Houston, UTEP, Rice, TCU and SMU??
    
    MikeL 
    

>    Sooo what's new out on the prairie???
    
  Yer guess is as good as mine. I do know that some frantic discussions have 
  been held lately. It seems that with the recent SEC TV deal, the 
  super-conference TV contracts are the wave of the future. And to a large 
  extent, it may dictate the direction of some conferences and re-alignments.
  Some type of re-alignment is almost a sure bet. If the Big-8 and SWC 
  conferences merge, it will be without Rice, Houston, SMU, TCU and maybe a 
  few others. On the other hand, Missouri has wanted to join the Big 10 for 
  a long time. Also, Nebraska and Kansas have been rumored to be looking into 
  the Big 10 but certainly haven't been pursuing it as aggressively as 
  Missouri. If there is a merger, BYU will probably join the new conference.

  Also, there have been rumors that Texas and Texas A&M have explored
  a possible option of going to the PAC-10. For the last few year's, Colorado 
  has been at the top of the Pac-10's list for a conference switch. But
  Colorado maintains that travel costs are the main stumbling block in joining
  the Pac-10. Publicly, Colorado says that they and all other Big-8 teams are 
  committed to the Big 8 and are exploring options to strengthen it. But
  behind closed doors, you know that something is up.
 
  Whenever any news breaks, other than rumors, I'll post it here.

  From a CU fan's view, I really don't know what to say. Texas and Texas A&M
  would be excellent teams to join the Big-8.  Texas Tech and Baylor are
  certainly on par with other Big-8 teams like K-State and OSU. The Big-8
  is very strong in men's and women's basketball. I don't think that the SWC
  schools would offer much in basketball other than Texas Tech on the women's 
  side. Which brings up another question: Will we see separate conferences for
  football and basketball and other sports ? Probably.

  As far as the Pac-10 goes, if Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M and maybe Oklahoma
  join it, I think it would be the premier conference in the nation but 
  there may also be too much parity. On average, the PAC-10 teams have larger
  stadiums and TV audiences than the Big-8 or SWC teams.

> Will Mizzou and ISU defect to the Big Ten(11 or 13?)?  

  I've already said what I know about Mizzou but I've never heard anything
  about ISU jumpin ship, although they do have somewhat of an inter-state
  rivalry with Iowa.

> Anybody out there want Houston, UTEP, Rice, TCU and SMU??

  Nope.

	Keith

>    there's no way Oklahoma and Missouri are closer to Colorado than
>    California and Washington.
    
    Yes, there is a way.  Boulder CO is only maybe 400 miles by air from 
    Norman OK.  Missouri, the easternmost school in the conference, is 
    also closer than Seattle WA by quite a bit.
    
    I could live with seeing Oklahoma in the Pac-10.  The more week-in
    week-out tough competition, the better.  The Pac-10 wasn't that tough
    last year but on average the field is generally tougher than what
    Iowa St., Oklahoma St., Missouri, and usually one or both of Kansas 
    and Kansas St. provide...
    
    glenn
    

Re:Leary

	Small nit   UTEP is in the WAC not the SWC

  It's now official. The Big 8 has extended an invitation to Texas, Texas A&M,
  Baylor and Texas Tech to join the Big 8. If this goes through, a major
  network will offer the new conference 70 Mil to broadcast the week's key 
  football game over x(5?) years. ESPN will chip in another 10 mil to 
  broadcast the 2nd tier game making the deal worth 80 mil. The Big 8 is
  expecting an official reply by Friday but may wait up to 2 weeks.
  Nothing is definate at this time but preliminary talks would have 2
  divisions. In the North division would be CU, NU, Mizzou, Kansas, KSU
  and ISU. The South  division would have Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma,
  OSU, Texas Tech, and Baylor. There is still a possibility of BYU joining
  the conference. But it seems to me that another team would also have to be
  invited to keep it at an even number. There have been no rumors about 
  any other teams but I hope that Air Force or CSU would get an invitation
  because of local interest in those teams.

  I think this is exceptional for the Southern teams as I could see some great
  rivalries develope between Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M and OSU.
    
  The 4 Texas teams which would be left in the cold are not very happy.

  All of the Big 8 men's basketball coaches voted against a merger. So it
  looks like football was the driving force.

  I think that, if the Big 8 went ahead and released this to the press, they
  expect it to be a done deal. Now, what are we gonna call the new conference ?
  How bout the Dirty Dozen ?

  BTW, Okla and Mizzou are much closer to Boulder than Cal or Wash.

	Keith

what will the legislature be doing? serious question. Mac you were
in Texas for a while so whats the deal?

The Crazy Met

    The last time A&M and the Longhorns were courted to move out of the
    SWC, there was a huge uproar on the House and Senate floors with
    legislators threatening to pass bills to stop the moves.

>    The last time A&M and the Longhorns were courted to move out of the
>    SWC, there was a huge uproar on the House and Senate floors with
>    legislators threatening to pass bills to stop the moves.

  And you can bet the 4 teams left out in the cold are talking to their
  State Representatives at this very moment. 

  The possible merger brings up another question:

	What about the Cotton Bowl and the Orange Bowl ?

	The Big 8's contract with the Orange Bowl expires in 1995. The
	Orange Bowl wants a new contract with the Big 8 but the Big 8
	is also being courted by the Fiesta Bowl. I believe the Cotton
	Bowl contracts run through the year 2000. And then there's the
	possibility of a national championship playoff.

		Keith

I've been following the Big 8/SWC merger talks in one of the internet
news group, and have yet to see anything about the legislature getting
involved.  And quite frankly, I doubt that they will this time.

A&M and and Texas are by far the two biggest schools in the state,
and have the largest followings.  Most likely, whatever benefits
these two will be what is done.  If this merger has both A&M and
tu behind it, it will most likely be a done deal.

I just read a UPI article that quotes a rich oilman, who is also
a big time TCU supporter.  He makes the observation that there
are probably more TV sets in Texas than in the states of
Oklahoma, Kansas and Nebraska combined, and that any deal signed
by A&M and UT will be to their benefit.  He feels that A&M and
UT are in the driver's seat on this merger.  And in case you
don't realize it, Texas has 3 of the 10 largest cities in the
US (Houston, Dallas and San Antonio).

The other point that keeps getting brought up is that this merger
will leave out any schools in Dallas or Houston, which are the two
largest markets in the state.

Jerry

>          -< You're confusing Colorado with Arizona again, Mike ;-) >-
>    Yes, there is a way.  Boulder CO is only maybe 400 miles by air from 
>    Norman OK.  Missouri, the easternmost school in the conference, is 
>    also closer than Seattle WA by quite a bit.
    
    maybe so, but which is the cheaper flight?  It's always cheaper to fly
    to the larger cities.

    
>    maybe so, but which is the cheaper flight?  It's always cheaper to fly
>    to the larger cities.        
    
    Mike, these guys fly charters, booster-funded if possible, with 10- and
    20-dollar bills falling out of the luggage compartments. ;-)  But
    seriously, I agree that travel costs have little to do with these
    decisions at this point, at least for football.  They really might have
    problems in the other sports, though, where I imagine there's a lot of
    bus travel which is not unreasonable in the Big-8, west-to-east 
    Boulder-to-Mizzou still being only about 750 miles.
    
    glenn
    

>    maybe so, but which is the cheaper flight?  It's always cheaper to fly
>    to the larger cities.

  Even though the Big 8 schools are closer to Boulder, I doubt that the
  cost of flying to PAC-10 schools is much more expensive, if any.
  For traveling costs to PAC-10 schools to be prohibitive, there must be
  more to it, like food and lodging. And in those cases, I wouldn't be 
  surprised if food and lodging is twice as expensive in LA as it would
  be in places like Manhatten, Kansas or Norman, Oklahoma. But still, with
  the bigger stadiums in the PAC-10, I would think the payout would be larger,
  thus making the increased costs of flight, meals and lodging insignificant.
  Colorado really hasn't done a good job of explaining why they are snubbing
  the PAC-10.

  Back to the merger, Texas and Oklahoma already have a spirited rivalry
  but if you put them in the same conference and division, things will
  really get hot. And I wouldn't be surprised if OSU and A&M also find
  some big time rivalries with the new merger. 

	Keith

                                                   
>  Back to the merger, Texas and Oklahoma already have a spirited rivalry
>  but if you put them in the same conference and division, things will
>  really get hot. And I wouldn't be surprised if OSU and A&M also find
>  some big time rivalries with the new merger. 
    
    Yeah, this ought to be something, Keith.  Forget Nebraska or Colorado, 
    Oklahoma's #1 rival emotionally always has been and probably always will
    be Texas.  Oklahoma has something of an inferiority complex when it
    comes to Texas, and on the other side, when it gets beat Texas isn't 
    thrilled that half the players administering the beating are Texans.
    Throw in A&M, and if Texas and Oklahoma can get their acts together
    that's a heck of a half-conference.  The usual intensity of the Red 
    River War with conference championship ramifications also at stake!
    
    If they round-robin out of division by playing those teams only every 
    other year perhaps the deal isn't as great for CU and NU.  I can't 
    see OU-NU not still playing every year, even if it does represent a
    competitive disadvantage (non-division games still count in the SEC
    standings, right?).  Make it a non-con game every other year?  That's 
    a tough one.  I'd just as soon see the game every year even if it 
    does represent an "L" half the time on average...
    
    glenn
       

    Why would Olahoma have the inferiority complex.  Between the late Bud
    Wilkerson and Barry Switzer the sooners have had the better in this
    one.
    
    Texas under Royal and during perhaps 60s may have had an edge but
    overall Oklahoma seems to have had better postwar teams.
    
    Definitely some upsets in this one though as I recall.

>    Why would Olahoma have the inferiority complex.  Between the late Bud
>    Wilkerson and Barry Switzer the sooners have had the better in this
>    one.
    
    Not about football.  About many other things, which get played into the
    football rivalry.  The past president of OU (man named George Cross) 
    who devised the plan to build up Oklahoma football after WWII has said
    that he did so first and foremost to give Oklahomans something to be 
    proud of, because they didn't have much at the time and were stuck with 
    this dustbowl Okie image in the eyes of the country.  Of course things 
    got a bit out of hand, and Cross was one of the first to acknowledge 
    this when he made that semi-famous facetious quote to the state 
    legislature of "I want to build a university that the football team can
    be proud of".
      
    glenn
    

	The Okies have a complex because they can't build a team with Okies!!


 Generally more than half the team is from Texas. Texas still holds the edge
 in the series. Being in Dallas for OU weekend is something to behold. There
 was a time when the streets downtown were packed with fans from both schools.
 The police would let'em do most anything as long as it was not distructive.
 
 As stated earlier this is a big rivilary. OU figures they have a good season if
 they can beat Texas and an even better season if the beat Nebraska. With Texas
 it's OU and a&m being the big games. 


 Cadzilla2

Looks like we need to change the name of this topic.  Baylor and A&M
have already accepted the Big ?'s offer to join, and it's likely that
tu and Tech will follow suit.  Guess they'll be called the Big 12.

As a long time SWC follower, and an Aggie, I have mixed feelings
about this.  I hate to see the SWC fold its tent, but it's just
not been able to compete in recent years.  It's the only single
state major conference, and I think that this hurts it on a national
scale.  It's been years since SWC schools have been able to
recruit the best Texas players, so jumping ship won't hurt there.
Maybe they'll be able to do a better job of recruiting out-of-state
players with this move.

Jerry

It's at least the big 11, as Texas Tech just signed up.  Only Texas
has yet to accept the offer.

As for the remaining SWC schools, they are trying to hold it together.
Reported, schools such as Louisville, Tulane and Memphis State have
contacted remaining SWC members to discuss membership in the SWC.

It's going to seem strange to have a South West conference with a
bunch of member schools from the South East.

Jerry

And now Texas has joined, so I guess it's the big 12.  Maybe now
I'll get some news about my favorite schools in the local press.

Jerry

    Wait a minute!! The Big Ten (11) just announced that
    Eastern Michigan has joined the conference!! 
    They also announced that the Big 10(11)[now12] will seek an
    injunction to stop the new Big8(12) from using that moniker.
    
    Big8(12) officials are reportedly looking for a 13th team as we
    speak. This could, escalatingly-speaking, get ugly!!
    
    MikeL
    

    
    
    
          They oughtta go with Sam Houston St. 
    
    
    Chap

there was a school called the Sam Houston Institute
of Teaching, later renamed for obvious reasons.
Dan Rather went there.

dr.a

  The Rocky Mountain News reported that the Big 8 has a patent on the
  names "Big 12" and "Big 14". Evidently, the patent was accepted a number of
  years ago. So, as things currently stand, legally, the Big 8 is the only 
  conference which can rename itself to the Big 12 or Big 14. But then,
  if they decide to call themselves something else, they'll probably give
  up the patent rights. 

  If they decide to have a North/South championship game, one proposal has the
  game alternating between Mile High and the Alamo Dome. Other proposals have
  the game alternating between the above 2 and Texas Stadium, Busch Stadium,
  and Arrowhead Stadium.

  BYU is still mentioned as another possible inductee but the name of a
  14th team is just wild speculation at this time. Also, if Mizzou bolts to
  the Big 10(11), BYU would surely join the new conference.

  The new conference will start in 1996.

  I'm really excited about this new conference. I can see the southern division
  becoming exceptionally strong. As someone else mentioned, Texas has a huge 
  and growing population. They also take football very seriously. Now, the
  Texas high school recruits will be looking at 4 in-state colleges instead
  of 8 and they'll be looking at a much more highly regarded conference than
  the old SWC. Recruiting for the 4 Texas schools will improve.

	Keith 

  MikeL,

	Now that most teams and conferences are scrambling to become members
  of SuperConferences, are there any rumors about what Notre Dame or 
  other independents may do ?

	Keith

you mean trademark, not patent, right?? you can't patent a name.

The Crazy Met

>you mean trademark

  yep, yer right.