Conference hbahba::cam_sports

         <<< Note 62.0 by LUDWIG::WHITEHAIR "CaVs will win it all!" >>>
                              -< CLEVELAND CAVS >-

    
>>    	Cleveland Cavs are the team of the 90's.
  
	and who might the Chicago Bulls be??????

	Jordan will have to retire first HAL....

    Have the Cavs played any games lately?  There hasn't been much action
    in this topic.

>    Have the Cavs played any games lately?  There hasn't been much action
>    in this topic.


Hey, the team of the 90s is more laid back that the action-packed teams
of the 80s.....


;^)

    
    Heh heh heh...
    
    	Will post an update tomorrow.....after they win!
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    At least you're consistent, Hal.

    
    	The Cavs have won two in a row since loosing two in a row.  Not
    sure when their next game is either.....probably tonight.  I know 
    they play Phoenix on Wednesday....that will be a big game.  I think 
    they play at home then too.
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    
    	Looks like a possible playoff matchup tonight with the Cavs
    going up against the Phoenis Suns.  Look for Battle to have a
    big night!
    
    		
             o
    	Go CaVs!

re: .7

Dream on!

The Crazy Met

    TCM, give him credit for being half right.

Yeah he may be right about the Suns, but then again the West does have
teams that can beat the Suns.

The Crazy Met

    
    	Cavs are #1 in   -
    
    			Free Throw %
    
    			Shooting %
    
    			3 point %
    
    		in the NBA!
    
    
    	     o
    	Go CaVs!

And Suns, Bulls, Knicks(?) - and I am sure otheres have a better
record than the Cavs.

The Crazy Met

                            -- EASTERN Conference --

ATLANTIC      W   L   Pctg.   GB    L10   Streak   Home   Away   Div.   Conf.
------------  --  --  -----  ----  -----  -------  -----  -----  -----  -----
New York      22  14  0.611    --   5- 5  won   1  15- 3   7-11   8- 3  15- 8
New Jersey    22  15  0.595   0.5   7- 3  won   5  11- 7  11- 8   8- 7  15-10
Boston        20  19  0.513   3.5   8- 2  lost  1  11- 6   9-13   8- 6  15-13
Orlando       16  16  0.500   4.0   4- 6  lost  1  10- 8   6- 8   7- 6  12-11
Philadelphia  14  20  0.412   7.0   6- 4  won   2   8-10   6-10   6- 6  11-14
Washington    11  25  0.306  11.0   4- 6  lost  3   8- 9   3-16   3- 9   7-20
Miami         10  24  0.294  11.0   3- 7  lost  3   7- 8   3-16   3- 6   6-14

CENTRAL       W   L   Pctg.   GB    L10   Streak   Home   Away   Div.   Conf.
------------  --  --  -----  ----  -----  -------  -----  -----  -----  -----
Chicago       26  11  0.703    --   6- 4  won   1  15- 5  11- 6  10- 3  19- 8
Cleveland     22  15  0.595   4.0   7- 3  won   2  16- 5   6-10   9- 4  14- 9
Charlotte     17  17  0.500   7.5   4- 6  lost  3   8- 8   9- 9   3- 6  10-11
Indiana       18  19  0.486   8.0   5- 5  won   1  11- 7   7-12   4- 9  12-16
Atlanta       17  18  0.486   8.0   5- 5  won   1   8-10   9- 8   7- 9  12-16
Detroit       17  19  0.472   8.5   3- 7  lost  3  11- 6   6-13   6- 8  14-11
Milwaukee     14  22  0.389  11.5   3- 7  lost  7   9-10   5-12   5- 5  10-11

                            -- WESTERN Conference --

MIDWEST       W   L   Pctg.   GB    L10   Streak   Home   Away   Div.   Conf.
------------  --  --  -----  ----  -----  -------  -----  -----  -----  -----
Utah          24  11  0.686    --   7- 3  lost  1  13- 4  11- 7   9- 4  13- 7
San Antonio   22  13  0.629   2.0   9- 1  won   7  13- 4   9- 9  10- 5  15- 9
Houston       20  16  0.556   4.5   6- 4  won   6  12- 6   8-10   9- 3  14-12
Denver        10  25  0.286  14.0   3- 7  lost  1   9- 7   1-18   5- 7   8-18
Minnesota      7  25  0.219  15.5   2- 8  lost  1   4-14   3-11   4- 6   4-16
Dallas         3  30  0.091  20.0   1- 9  won   1   3-15   0-15   0-12   1-23

PACIFIC       W   L   Pctg.   GB    L10   Streak   Home   Away   Div.   Conf.
------------  --  --  -----  ----  -----  -------  -----  -----  -----  -----
Phoenix       25   7  0.781    --   7- 3  lost  1  13- 1  12- 6  10- 4  17- 5
Seattle       25  10  0.714   1.5   8- 2  won   1  18- 1   7- 9   9- 4  18- 6
Portland      24  11  0.686   2.5   7- 3  won   2  16- 4   8- 7   6- 6  14- 8
Los Angeles   19  16  0.543   7.5   5- 5  lost  1  10- 8   9- 8   7- 8  14-11
Los Angeles   19  18  0.514   8.5   4- 6  won   1  11- 6   8-12   4- 7   9-12
Golden State  18  19  0.486   9.5   4- 6  lost  5   8- 7  10-12   4- 8  12- 9
Sacramento    14  21  0.400  12.5   5- 5  lost  1  10- 9   4-12   5- 8   9-12




                            -- EASTERN Conference --

                    Season                  Home                  Away
              ===================   ===================   ===================
ATLANTIC      AVG/PF AVG/PA + / -   AVG/PF AVG/PA + / -   AVG/PF AVG/PA + / -
              ------ ------ -----   ------ ------ -----   ------ ------ -----
Boston         104.0  105.1  -1.1    106.6  103.0   3.6    102.0  106.8  -4.8
Miami          101.8  104.9  -3.1    104.3  103.8   0.5     99.8  105.8  -6.1
New Jersey     104.9  104.1   0.8    105.4  102.9   2.4    104.5  105.2  -0.7
New York        97.6   93.4   4.2     98.6   90.5   8.1     96.7   96.4   0.3
Orlando        107.6  105.3   2.3    105.7  101.8   3.9    110.0  109.8   0.2
Philadelphia   108.7  112.2  -3.5    111.2  111.4  -0.3    105.9  113.0  -7.1
Washington     103.4  110.2  -6.8    106.5  105.0   1.5    100.6  114.8 -14.2

                    Season                  Home                  Away
              ===================   ===================   ===================
CENTRAL       AVG/PF AVG/PA + / -   AVG/PF AVG/PA + / -   AVG/PF AVG/PA + / -
              ------ ------ -----   ------ ------ -----   ------ ------ -----
Atlanta        104.0  107.2  -3.2    105.9  109.4  -3.4    101.9  104.8  -2.9
Charlotte      110.8  110.9  -0.1    110.4  109.1   1.4    111.1  112.6  -1.5
Chicago        105.0   99.8   5.2    104.6   96.4   8.2    105.6  103.9   1.7
Cleveland      109.4  102.8   6.6    112.8  101.0  11.8    105.1  105.1  -0.1
Detroit         98.4   99.9  -1.6    101.6   97.3   4.4     95.5  102.3  -6.8
Indiana        107.8  106.4   1.4    110.3  103.9   6.4    105.5  108.8  -3.3
Milwaukee      101.1  105.4  -4.3    101.8  101.6   0.3    100.3  109.7  -9.4

                            -- WESTERN Conference --

                    Season                  Home                  Away
              ===================   ===================   ===================
MIDWEST       AVG/PF AVG/PA + / -   AVG/PF AVG/PA + / -   AVG/PF AVG/PA + / -
              ------ ------ -----   ------ ------ -----   ------ ------ -----
Dallas          99.6  116.4 -16.8    103.7  115.9 -12.2     94.7  116.9 -22.3
Denver         103.3  110.2  -6.9    107.8  104.9   2.8     99.5  114.6 -15.1
Houston        101.5  101.2   0.3    102.0  100.2   1.8    100.9  102.2  -1.3
Minnesota       97.3  104.8  -7.5     97.1  102.4  -5.4     97.6  107.9 -10.3
San Antonio    107.3  101.6   5.7    109.5  101.4   8.1    105.2  101.7   3.5
Utah           107.6  102.7   4.9    111.1  102.1   9.0    104.3  103.2   1.1

                    Season                  Home                  Away
              ===================   ===================   ===================
PACIFIC       AVG/PF AVG/PA + / -   AVG/PF AVG/PA + / -   AVG/PF AVG/PA + / -
              ------ ------ -----   ------ ------ -----   ------ ------ -----
Golden State   113.8  113.5   0.3    113.9  110.9   3.1    113.6  115.2  -1.6
Los Angeles    107.2  106.8   0.4    108.5  104.4   4.2    106.1  108.9  -2.8
Los Angeles    101.7  101.4   0.4    104.1  102.3   1.7     99.3  100.4  -1.1
Phoenix        113.3  106.5   6.8    116.6  105.7  10.9    110.6  107.1   3.5
Portland       108.5  103.2   5.3    110.3  101.6   8.7    106.2  105.3   0.9
Sacramento     107.7  106.8   0.9    110.7  103.9   6.8    104.2  110.3  -6.1
Seattle        108.5  100.6   7.9    114.8  100.9  13.9    100.9  100.3   0.6



                ATLANTIC  Division


              ATLANTIC -vs- ATLANTIC

Team           W/L   BOS  MIA  NJN  NYK  ORL  PHI  WAS
------------  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
Boston         8- 6   x   1-1  2-0  1-2  1-1  1-1  2-1
Miami          3- 6  1-1   x   1-1  0-1  1-1  0-1  0-1
New Jersey     8- 7  0-2  1-1   x   0-2  2-0  2-2  3-0
New York       8- 3  2-1  1-0  2-0   x   1-1  1-0  1-1
Orlando        7- 6  1-1  1-1  0-2  1-1   x   2-1  2-0
Philadelphia   6- 6  1-1  1-0  2-2  0-1  1-2   x   1-0
Washington     3- 9  1-2  1-0  0-3  1-1  0-2  0-1   x 



              ATLANTIC -vs- CENTRAL 

Team           W/L   ATL  CHA  CHI  CLE  DET  IND  MIL
------------  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
Boston         7- 7  0-2  3-0  1-2  1-1  0-0  1-1  1-1
Miami          3- 8  0-2  1-1  0-2  0-0  1-1  1-1  0-1
New Jersey     7- 3  2-0  1-1  0-1  2-0  0-0  1-1  1-0
New York       7- 5  1-0  0-1  1-1  1-1  1-1  2-0  1-1
Orlando        5- 5  1-0  0-1  1-1  1-0  0-2  1-1  1-0
Philadelphia   5- 8  1-1  0-1  2-0  0-1  1-2  1-2  0-1
Washington     4-11  2-0  0-2  0-2  0-2  0-2  0-2  2-1



              ATLANTIC -vs- MIDWEST 

Team           W/L   DAL  DEN  HOU  MIN  SAS  UTH
------------  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
Boston         4- 2  0-0  1-0  1-0  2-0  0-0  0-2
Miami          1- 4  1-0  0-0  0-1  0-0  0-1  0-2
New Jersey     3- 2  0-0  0-0  0-0  1-1  1-0  1-1
New York       3- 2  1-0  1-1  0-1  1-0  0-0  0-0
Orlando        2- 0  0-0  0-0  1-0  0-0  0-0  1-0
Philadelphia   0- 3  0-0  0-0  0-0  0-0  0-1  0-2
Washington     3- 2  0-0  0-0  0-0  1-1  1-0  1-1



              ATLANTIC -vs- PACIFIC 

Team           W/L   GSW  LAC  LAL  PHO  POR  SAC  SEA
------------  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
Boston         1- 4  0-0  1-1  0-0  0-0  0-0  0-1  0-2
Miami          3- 6  0-2  0-0  2-0  0-2  0-1  1-1  0-0
New Jersey     4- 3  0-1  1-0  1-0  0-1  0-0  2-0  0-1
New York       4- 4  0-0  0-2  0-0  1-0  1-1  1-0  1-1
Orlando        2- 5  1-1  0-1  0-1  0-1  0-0  1-0  0-1
Philadelphia   3- 3  1-0  1-1  0-0  0-0  0-1  0-1  1-0
Washington     1- 3  0-0  0-0  0-1  0-1  0-1  1-0  0-0







                CENTRAL   Division


              CENTRAL  -vs- ATLANTIC

Team           W/L   BOS  MIA  NJN  NYK  ORL  PHI  WAS
------------  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
Atlanta        5- 7  2-0  2-0  0-2  0-1  0-1  1-1  0-2
Charlotte      7- 5  0-3  1-1  1-1  1-0  1-0  1-0  2-0
Chicago        9- 5  2-1  2-0  1-0  1-1  1-1  0-2  2-0
Cleveland      5- 5  1-1  0-0  0-2  1-1  0-1  1-0  2-0
Detroit        8- 3  0-0  1-1  0-0  1-1  2-0  2-1  2-0
Indiana        8- 7  1-1  1-1  1-1  0-2  1-1  2-1  2-0
Milwaukee      5- 6  1-1  1-0  0-1  1-1  0-1  1-0  1-2



              CENTRAL  -vs- CENTRAL 

Team           W/L   ATL  CHA  CHI  CLE  DET  IND  MIL
------------  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
Atlanta        7- 9   x   1-1  2-0  0-3  2-2  1-1  1-2
Charlotte      3- 6  1-1   x   0-2  0-1  2-0  0-2  0-0
Chicago       10- 3  0-2  2-0   x   2-1  1-0  3-0  2-0
Cleveland      9- 4  3-0  1-0  1-2   x   1-1  2-0  1-1
Detroit        6- 8  2-2  0-2  0-1  1-1   x   2-1  1-1
Indiana        4- 9  1-1  2-0  0-3  0-2  1-2   x   0-1
Milwaukee      5- 5  2-1  0-0  0-2  1-1  1-1  1-0   x 



              CENTRAL  -vs- MIDWEST 

Team           W/L   DAL  DEN  HOU  MIN  SAS  UTH
------------  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
Atlanta        4- 2  0-1  1-0  0-1  1-0  2-0  0-0
Charlotte      3- 3  2-0  1-0  0-1  0-0  0-1  0-1
Chicago        2- 1  0-0  1-0  0-1  1-0  0-0  0-0
Cleveland      4- 2  1-0  0-0  1-1  1-0  0-1  1-0
Detroit        2- 4  1-1  0-1  1-0  0-1  0-1  0-0
Indiana        1- 1  0-0  1-0  0-0  0-0  0-0  0-1
Milwaukee      3- 3  1-0  1-0  0-0  1-0  0-2  0-1



              CENTRAL  -vs- PACIFIC 

Team           W/L   GSW  LAC  LAL  PHO  POR  SAC  SEA
------------  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
Atlanta        1- 0  1-0  0-0  0-0  0-0  0-0  0-0  0-0
Charlotte      4- 3  2-0  1-1  0-0  0-2  0-0  1-0  0-0
Chicago        5- 2  2-0  0-0  0-2  1-0  1-0  0-0  1-0
Cleveland      4- 4  1-0  0-1  1-0  0-0  0-2  1-1  1-0
Detroit        1- 4  0-1  1-1  0-0  0-0  0-1  0-0  0-1
Indiana        5- 2  2-0  1-1  0-0  0-0  1-1  1-0  0-0
Milwaukee      1- 8  0-1  0-1  1-1  0-1  0-2  0-1  0-1







                MIDWEST   Division


              MIDWEST  -vs- ATLANTIC

Team           W/L   BOS  MIA  NJN  NYK  ORL  PHI  WAS
------------  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
Dallas         0- 2  0-0  0-1  0-0  0-1  0-0  0-0  0-0
Denver         1- 2  0-1  0-0  0-0  1-1  0-0  0-0  0-0
Houston        2- 2  0-1  1-0  0-0  1-0  0-1  0-0  0-0
Minnesota      2- 5  0-2  0-0  1-1  0-1  0-0  0-0  1-1
San Antonio    2- 2  0-0  1-0  0-1  0-0  0-0  1-0  0-1
Utah           8- 3  2-0  2-0  1-1  0-0  0-1  2-0  1-1



              MIDWEST  -vs- CENTRAL 

Team           W/L   ATL  CHA  CHI  CLE  DET  IND  MIL
------------  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
Dallas         2- 5  1-0  0-2  0-0  0-1  1-1  0-0  0-1
Denver         1- 5  0-1  0-1  0-1  0-0  1-0  0-1  0-1
Houston        4- 2  1-0  1-0  1-0  1-1  0-1  0-0  0-0
Minnesota      1- 4  0-1  0-0  0-1  0-1  1-0  0-0  0-1
San Antonio    5- 2  0-2  1-0  0-0  1-0  1-0  0-0  2-0
Utah           3- 1  0-0  1-0  0-0  0-1  0-0  1-0  1-0



              MIDWEST  -vs- MIDWEST 

Team           W/L   DAL  DEN  HOU  MIN  SAS  UTH
------------  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
Dallas         0-12   x   0-1  0-2  0-3  0-3  0-3
Denver         5- 7  1-0   x   2-1  1-1  1-3  0-2
Houston        9- 3  2-0  1-2   x   2-0  3-0  1-1
Minnesota      4- 6  3-0  1-1  0-2   x   0-1  0-2
San Antonio   10- 5  3-0  3-1  0-3  1-0   x   3-1
Utah           9- 4  3-0  2-0  1-1  2-0  1-3   x 



              MIDWEST  -vs- PACIFIC 

Team           W/L   GSW  LAC  LAL  PHO  POR  SAC  SEA
------------  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
Dallas         1-11  0-2  0-2  1-1  0-1  0-2  0-1  0-2
Denver         3-11  1-0  1-1  0-2  0-2  0-3  1-1  0-2
Houston        5- 9  0-2  2-0  1-1  0-2  0-2  2-0  0-2
Minnesota      0-10  0-2  0-2  0-2  0-1  0-0  0-1  0-2
San Antonio    5- 4  0-1  1-0  1-1  1-0  1-1  0-1  1-0
Utah           4- 3  0-1  1-0  0-0  0-1  1-0  1-0  1-1







                PACIFIC   Division


              PACIFIC  -vs- ATLANTIC

Team           W/L   BOS  MIA  NJN  NYK  ORL  PHI  WAS
------------  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
Golden State   4- 2  0-0  2-0  1-0  0-0  1-1  0-1  0-0
Los Angeles    5- 3  1-1  0-0  0-1  2-0  1-0  1-1  0-0
Los Angeles    2- 3  0-0  0-2  0-1  0-0  1-0  0-0  1-0
Phoenix        5- 1  0-0  2-0  1-0  0-1  1-0  0-0  1-0
Portland       4- 1  0-0  1-0  0-0  1-1  0-0  1-0  1-0
Sacramento     3- 6  1-0  1-1  0-2  0-1  0-1  1-0  0-1
Seattle        5- 2  2-0  0-0  1-0  1-1  1-0  0-1  0-0



              PACIFIC  -vs- CENTRAL 

Team           W/L   ATL  CHA  CHI  CLE  DET  IND  MIL
------------  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
Golden State   2- 8  0-1  0-2  0-2  0-1  1-0  0-2  1-0
Los Angeles    5- 3  0-0  1-1  0-0  1-0  1-1  1-1  1-0
Los Angeles    3- 2  0-0  0-0  2-0  0-1  0-0  0-0  1-1
Phoenix        3- 1  0-0  2-0  0-1  0-0  0-0  0-0  1-0
Portland       6- 2  0-0  0-0  0-1  2-0  1-0  1-1  2-0
Sacramento     2- 3  0-0  0-1  0-0  1-1  0-0  0-1  1-0
Seattle        2- 2  0-0  0-0  0-1  0-1  1-0  0-0  1-0



              PACIFIC  -vs- MIDWEST 

Team           W/L   DAL  DEN  HOU  MIN  SAS  UTH
------------  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
Golden State   8- 1  2-0  0-1  2-0  2-0  1-0  1-0
Los Angeles    5- 5  2-0  1-1  0-2  2-0  0-1  0-1
Los Angeles    7- 3  1-1  2-0  1-1  2-0  1-1  0-0
Phoenix        7- 1  1-0  2-0  2-0  1-0  0-1  1-0
Portland       8- 2  2-0  3-0  2-0  0-0  1-1  0-1
Sacramento     4- 4  1-0  1-1  0-2  1-0  1-0  0-1
Seattle        9- 2  2-0  2-0  2-0  2-0  0-1  1-1



              PACIFIC  -vs- PACIFIC 

Team           W/L   GSW  LAC  LAL  PHO  POR  SAC  SEA
------------  -----  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
Golden State   4- 8   x   2-0  0-2  1-2  0-2  1-1  0-1
Los Angeles    4- 7  0-2   x   2-1  1-1  0-0  1-1  0-2
Los Angeles    7- 8  2-0  1-2   x   0-2  3-0  1-2  0-2
Phoenix       10- 4  2-1  1-1  2-0   x   1-1  2-0  2-1
Portland       6- 6  2-0  0-0  0-3  1-1   x   2-0  1-2
Sacramento     5- 8  1-1  1-1  2-1  0-2  0-2   x   1-1
Seattle        9- 4  1-0  2-0  2-0  1-2  2-1  1-1   x 







So 7 teams have better records than the Cavs. Nets have the same record.

The Crazy Met

    
    	Cavs put the Phoenix in the clouds!  Danny Ferry was the main man
    along with Mr. Battle scoring big off the bench.  Once again it was
    the free throw line that was the difference.  There were a couple of 
    technical fouls calls against Phoenix durring the game.  The Cavs were
    up by as much as 15 in the second half.  So, the game wasn't as close
    as the score might seem to implicate.  Gerald Williams played an 
    excelent game getting some big time slams on some fast breaks.  From
    what I saw last night, I'm really surprised that Phoenix has as good
    a record as they do.  Didn't impress me at all.
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    Hope there's some entries in the Crow note.
    
    When is HR due to return? (Don't trust USA Today).
    
    -Walt
    

    Is this Battle the same one the Celts released?  If so, he's bounced
    around the league a bit, hasn't he?  Do you think he's finally found a
    home in Cleveland?

    Hey Hal, if the game wasn't that close, why was it tied at 98 with 5
    minutes left?
    
    You forgot the absence of ex-Sun Mike Sanders.  He was the key to the
    Cavs win.

    
    	re: Battle - yes, this is the same guy the Celtics let go.  The
    reason he is fitting in so well is because he can drive like Price and
    when used together with Daughtery and Price, its the inside outside
    with either Price or Battle being open after Daughtery draws the double
    and sometimes tripple team.  Battle has come on strong the last few
    games.
    
    	re: Heiser - I can see you have no clue here.  At least even *I*
    can take a loss.  Go to the cafe....NOW!
    
    		EAT SOME CROW!....BUD...
    
    		
             o
    	Go CaVs!

The beauty of a Cavs-Suns game are notes .16,.19,.20
The nightmare of this game are notes .16,.19,.20

It was inevitable that this note or the Suns note would be sickening
today.

The Crazy Met

    The previous note is correct.  The Battle with Cleveland is John, who
    they signed last year as an unrestricted free agent from Atlanta.  The
    Battle who was with the Celtics is Kenny, who is now back in the CBA.
    
    NAZ>Z

    Hey Hal, learn to read sarcasm!  Sanders is a *STIFF*!  There's no way
    the Cadavers would have won if Barkley played.

    
    	The Cavs win their third in a row with this on comming on the road
    at the dispence of the LA Clippers.  The Cavs went into the game a 1
    point underdog comming off a big victory against the Suns two days ago.
    With one day off to travel, Brad Daugherty scores 28 points with 15 
    rebounds to make this one an easy game.
    	Hot Rod Williams remains out with a hand injury.  
    	Gerald Williams has another big game along with Mark Price.
    
    
    	Tonight - its the Denver Nuggets.  Cleveland is a 6.5 point
    favorate.
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    
    The Crazy Met
    

Ehlo played terribly so they had to resort to their non-existent bench.  Only 7
guys played.  They could really use Hot Rod back.  What happened to the rest of
their bench?  Denver ended up taking almost 20 more shots than Cleveland, and
even hitting only 44%, 20 more shots is usually enough.

j.

CLEVELAND (95) AT DENVER (97)

CLEVELAND
                                               REBOUNDS
PLAYER           POS  MIN  FGM-FGA  FTM-FTA  OFF-DEF-TOT  AST  PF  ST  TO  PTS
======           ===  ===  =======  =======  ===========  ===  ==  ==  ==  ===

EHLO              F    22    0-3      0-0      0   1   1    1   1   0   2    0
NANCE             F    44    8-16     4-4      2  12  14    3   4   0   1   20
DAUGHERTY         C    39    5-10     2-3      1   4   5    2   5   1   2   12
G WILKINS         G    33    8-13     2-2      2   1   3    3   1   1   1   19
PRICE             G    32    5-12     8-9      0   2   2    4   2   0   2   20
BRANDON                27    4-10     0-0      1   3   4    2   3   0   2    8
BATTLE                 16    1-6      0-0      0   1   1    1   0   0   1    2
FERRY                  27    6-8      2-2      2   4   6    1   3   0   3   14

TOTALS                240   37-78    18-20     8  28  36   17  19   2  14   95
                            (.474)   (.900)  TEAM REBS: 12

DENVER
                                               REBOUNDS
PLAYER           POS  MIN  FGM-FGA  FTM-FTA  OFF-DEF-TOT  AST  PF  ST  TO  PTS
======           ===  ===  =======  =======  ===========  ===  ==  ==  ==  ===

ELLIS             F    41    9-17     3-3      5   9  14    3   2   2   1   21
WILLIAMS          F    45   10-22     4-5      6   5  11    3   2   3   0   24
MUTOMBO           C    38    4-8      2-2      5   7  12    2   3   1   2   10
JACKSON           G    38   13-22     0-0      0   1   1    2   2   0   1   28
LIBERTY           G    20    2-8      0-0      0   3   3    3   3   0   1    4
LICHTI                 17    1-6      0-0      0   1   1    2   0   0   0    2
PACK                   29    4-8      0-0      0   1   1    4   4   2   1    8
PLUMMER                 5    0-1      0-0      0   0   0    0   2   0   0    0
BROOKS                  7    0-5      0-0      1   0   1    0   1   0   0    0

TOTALS                240   43-97     9-10    17  27  44   19  19   8   6   97
                            (.443)   (.900)  TEAM REBS: 6

   CLEVELAND          26   24   26   19  -   95
   DENVER             23   27   20   27  -   97

BLOCKED SHOTS: CLEVELAND - NANCE 5, G WILKINS, BRANDON,
BATTLE. DENVER - ELLIS, WILLIAMS, PACK. 
3-PT. FIELD GOALS: CLEVELAND 3-6 (.500), NANCE 0-1, G WILKINS 1-1,
PRICE 2-4. DENVER 2-6 (.333), ELLIS 0-1, WILLIAMS 0-1, JACKSON 2-3,
LIBERTY 0-1.
TECHNICALS: DENVER - MUTOMBO, HEAD COACH ISSEL.
OFFICIALS: EVANS, NUNN, CALLAHAN.
A - 17,022. 

    
    	I was wondering what happened here.  I did watch the game till the
    end of the third quarter when the Cavs were up by 6.  It must have been
    a total collapse.  I keep telling you about Ehlo....can't shoot.  
    However, he does play good defense and I think that is what he is in
    there to do.  
    	Oh well, at least the Bulls lost again and again and again......
    Cleveland's only 3 games back and really hasn't been playing badly
    even with the injury to Hot Rod.  Haven't heard a word on when he
    is to come back either.  
        Thanks for the stats....never saw them yesterday or in todays
    paper.
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    
    	Another big game tonight.  This time in Utah.  After 3 days off
    this should be a good game.  The last of a three game road trip the
    Cavs need this one big time.  If the bench can produce, the 5.5 points
    shouldn't be needed.  I expect the Cavs to win this one mostly because
    of the loss in Denver.  The team should be pumped up.
             o
    	Go CaVs!

You expect the Cavs to win in Utah ??
    ^^^^^^^

What have you been smoking?

The Crazy Met

    
    	Well Craz,
    		With the Cavs comming off a stunning loss in Denver they
    must be boiling and rareing to go.  Then having 3 days off just adds
    to the cake.  And, to be honest to you, I don't know one Utah player
    on that team....what does that say....must not be that good.
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

      Karl mailman Malone and John Stockton dont ring a bell Hal?
    
      Clevland has Brad Daugherty and thats it!   Oh I forgot about Ferry.
    
      Tim

    The Jazz also lost their last game at home against the Blazers.  

Yeah I sure hope the Jazz win tonight. Every loss by Cleveland and 
Chicago is a gain for the Knicks.

The Crazy Met

    
    	Cavs take a beating in Utah.......Cavs must have partied too much
    over their 3 day vacation.....
    
    	Come on home!
    
    
    	     o
    	Go CaVs!

>    	Cavs take a beating in Utah.......Cavs must have partied too much
>    over their 3 day vacation.....
    
Guess you didn't expect that, eh, Hal?


'Saw

    
    	No, not at all 'Saw.
    
    	I didn't see the game but after seeing the stats in the paper this
    morning.....the Cavs didn't shoot too well at all.  Price 1-10 ???
    This is abnormal!  He didn't even go to the free throw line.  The other
    stat that jumped out at me was foul shooting...  Cavs went to the line
    14 times only hitting 7.  While on the other hand, Utah went to the
    line something like 27 times...???  Not good!  I wish I'd have seen the
    game.
    
    	Next game - Thursday - At Cleveland - Orlando
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

>                         -< officiating a question??? >-
    
    No Hal, just Karl Malone and aggressive inside play on the part of the
    Jazz.  The Mailman leads the NBA in free throw attempts.  He's also led
    the league in that category for at least 4 years.
    
    Mike

    OK, who is in Heiser's account?

    
    	Well, the Cavs have started another streak...one in a row!  Beating
    the Orlando Magic 123-115 or something like that.  Who wins at
    center???  From what I saw, I have to give it to Brad Daughtery of the
    Cavs.  Brad got 15 points and something like 15 rebounds and sat out
    quite abit of the game because of foul trouble.  O'neal got 23 points
    and 7 rebounds.  This is the lowest rebounding he has had this year.
    Now if he was held to below his average???  I don't know...what is his
    average?  At any rate, the game showcased Mark price who hit 8 of 10 in
    the third period alone and didn't play the 4th period at all.  Also in
    the showcase....none other than....Danny Ferry getting 15 points from
    the bench.  Ehlo played another crap game.  
    	What made the game for me....late in the fourth quarter the
    Cleveland Cavs crowd started chantting Kerr, Kerr, We want Kerr.  To no
    avail...he never stepped foot on the floor but could help but smile.
    I am sorry to see him with another team!
    	Mr. Lane started the game for the Cavs and actually hit a free
    throw.
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!
    
    
    	BTW - Both the Knicks and Bulls lost yesterday...HeHeHeHe
    
    

    
    	Well, now that the Super Bowl is over....its basketball time...
    
    	The Cavs took another loss, this time against the Miami Heat in
    Miami.  Didn't get to see all of this game but if you ask me, Mark
    Price has got some problems...maybe personnal.  Something is wrong
    here.  Maybe he is just being overworked because of the injuries.
    The guy just can't do it all although he tries.  The Cavs certainly
    need to improve on the road.
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

Well, while in Florida, I drove Alligator Alley to the 
East Coast, and ended up Saturday in Coconut Grove.   Well, 
there were a ton of bars and eating establishments, and we
wanted something to eat.   I round the corner and walk into
the stomach of some huge guy.   Larry Nance.  With Brad
Daugherty and Wilkens right next to him.   Mark
Price was there too.   Larry said "Excuse me,
you all right"   I flexed for him, which got him really 
impressed.

Then, figuring they get axed fer autographs all the time, I 
simply said "hey guys - PLEASE BEAT THE BULLS"   They started
laughing, and Brad said "Damn right".

Started shooting da breeze, and then some mental midgit comes
up and says "Hey, are you guys basketball players - and is
the 'Shaq' here..."

Nance, Daugherty, Wilkens  all point to Price and
say "He's the hoop player - he's Charles Barkley"   The guy 
looks at him and says - "I thought Barkley was taller..."

Needless to say, it was purty funny.

JD

    The Lat-mon and the Cavs... makin' small talk...
    
    -Rich

    
    
    	Cool Cool Cool, Did you tell him about me?????  ;-)
    
    	Did you end up getting any autographs?????
    
    	What luck you had meeting up with those guys!
    
    	Wish I had the chance.  Well, maybe when they come here I'll get
    	the chance....right tcm?
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

Hal -

No, didn't get any autographs.  I did give them some good natured
ribbing.  I told them that "Hooters" wasn't the type of establishment
they should be frequenting - keeping up with the NBA's image and
all that.  Price said he thought Hooters was a "Bird Museum".

They said they have folks asking them dumb questions all the
time - most frequent seem to be "Are you guys basketball players"
and "Are any of you players that I would know?"  (Meaning, hey are
any of you guys stars!)

After a while, folks started coming from all over to get autographs,
so I wished them well, told them to beat some Bull's booty, and 
said good bye.

Pretty decent.

JD

The Crazy Met

    
    	Golden State lays the big Goose Egg in Cleveland.  The Cavs make
    an easy night of it at home.  Gerald Wilkins, the SLAM MAN does it 
    again with Sanders being placed on the injured reserve.  A big lift
    came when HOT ROD came into the game.  Yes, Hot Rod is back!  Mark
    Price had another bad night and luckily the Cavs didn't need him.
    Larry Nance get some well deserved rest since Hot Rod is getting
    minutes again.  Larry seemed to be reguvinated.  Danny Ferry put in 
    another good game.  Brad Daugherty is just plan Brad.  Doen what he
    does best...the hook, the slam and the rebound.  But, I'm telling
    you, Wilkins is the SLAM MAN!  Can someone tell me what Cleveland
    gave up to get him?  I can't seem to remember.  I don't think it was
    much and this guy can drive.  I like him!  
    	Cavs play 10 games in the next 16 days.  Lets see how they do.
    They play again tonight but I can't remember who....
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    
    	Good game last night with the Cavs going up by 10 then the Bucks
    comming back about 3 times with the Cavs pulling ahead to stay at
    the 5 minute mark.  Mark Price was back to his usual self again.
    The difference in this game was big Brad Daugherty hitting almost
    every shot and getting lots of rebounds.  With Hot Rod back in the
    line up you can now see a big difference in Nance and Daugherty.
    Hot Rod gives these guys more rest for the run at the end of the 
    game.  Hot Rod will come in and play both center and forward.  
    Wilkins once again is showing he really wants to start.  Driving in
    the lane and those huge slams.  The Cavs were picked by 4 and they
    won by 8.  
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    
    	Can't believe Brad Daugherty didn't get picked to start the
    All Star game.  I have not seen anyone beat him on the court this
    year and yet O'Neal gets the call.  This is just not right.  Brad
    has to be the best in the east.  He's got the highest field goal
    percentage in the league and just does it all.  He is so calm about
    it too.  
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    
    	Well, the Cavs have been doing quite the job lately.  Since the
    last note, they've taken 3 more wins.  All the wins have beaten the
    spread....not by 1 or 2 points, but by 5, 10 and 15 points.  The 
    latest comming against the Hornets last night.  The Cavs were to lose
    the game by 1 but pulled it out by 4.  With Hot Rod in the lineup 
    everyone gets a rest.  
    	One of the greatest baskets I've seen in the last 3 games....came
    3 games ago, late in the 4th quarter.  The Cavs on a fast break...a
    toss to Gerald (Slam Man) Wilkins.  Wilkins takes the ball and does
    a 360 dunk!  SLAM!  Put the game in the bag.  Its over!
    	Another great shot was just two games ago with Mark Price feeding
    a wide open Brad Daugherty.  Brad looks like he is ready to tear the
    backboard down but instead gives the ball a soft touch into the basket.
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

Yep, ever since I sat them dudes down and told them that fried
food and Hooters aren't the way to go before the game, they
sure have been hot.

Can't wait to get my share of the champeenships purse.

JD

    
    	The Cavs are on the road again tonight to face Orlando and the
    "suposably" all-star O'Neal.  It will be nice to see Brad show
    O'Neal how to play the game.....  Hope this ones in the sky tonight.
    Couldn't pickup the game last night and don't know the stats.  Would
    be nice to know if Mark Price has come out of his slump.  One thing
    for sure, even though he hasn't been hitting his shots from the field,
    he still gets his assists.  
    	So, it looks like 3 Cavs will make it to the all-star game.  Mark
    Price and Brad Daugherty are backups and Larry Nance as the reserve.
    Would be nice to see all three in the game at the same time.
    	Just a note here....Mark Price broke a record in Richfield the
    other night by making 100 straight free throws at home.  Ironicly, he
    missed #101......then started another streak.
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    
    	Bad game last night by the Cavs.  Bad news also...Larry Nance
    left the game early in the first half with a strained left knee and
    never returned.  Gerald Wilkins also left the game at the same time
    but returned late in the 2nd quarter.  The Cavs couldn't hit the side
    of a barn last night only shooting a wopping 40% from the field.  Good
    matchup last night between O'Neal and Brad Daugherty though.  In my
    opinion, I'd have to say it was an even match at the end of four.  Brad
    scored 21 points with 11 rebounds and 4 steals off O'Neal along with,
    I think, 2 blocked shots.  O'Neal scored 20 points with 14 rebounds.
    Big factor in this game was the intimidation factor that O'Neal has...
    The officials weren't calling anything...and I mean nothing at all.
    My opinion of O'Neal is...he is a big oaf!  At 300 lbs with no style.  
    	The Cavs get the night off and travel back home for a game against
    the Bucs in Richfield.  Jim Chones said that the team looked very tired
    and drained from the game that was won against Charlote the night
    before.  Cleveland showed no defense at all last night.
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    
    	The Cavs go on another streak by beating up the Bulls Saturday
    night.  From what I hear it was the inside-out that beat them along
    with Ehlo hitting on 6 of 7 three point attemps.  The Cavs hit 10
    3 pointers durring the game.  Brad Daugherty was getting the double
    team inside which left Ehlo open on the outside.  Wish I could have
    seen the game.  Haven't seen the stats yet either.
    	Did read in the paper yesterday that Brad has only been outscored
    in 4 games this year by other centers.  Not bad.
    	Durring the Chicago game, Nance did not play along with Sanders 
    who is still on IR.  Still haven't heard when Nance will come back.
    This will make two games and I really don't expect the Cavs to play
    him tonight.  
    	In the last 8 games the Cavs have beaten the spread in 7 of those
    games.  The line tonight is 9 points.  I'll take the Cavs again, even
    with Nance out.  Hot Rod has played well along with Ferry.
    	The Cavs have gone 7-1 in the long haul of 10 games in 16 days so
    far.
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    
    	Well, the Cavs did it again last night by beating up the Indiana
    Pacers in Richfield.  Score...110-105.  They did't beat the spread
    though which was 9 points.  Didn't get to see the game either.  Saw
    the box score and Larry Nance is back in action.  Hot Rod had the hot
    hand last night along with Mark Price and Jerald Williams.  Brad got
    a much needed rest after taking on the best and showing them all who
    is the best.  
    	This makes for 3 in a row and 8 out of 9.  Cavs are making a run
    at the Bulls and are still only 1.5 games back.  Party in Cleveland/
    Athol when they take over first place in the Central.  A long time
    comming!  Tomorrow night the Cavs take on Dallas who will be comming
    to Richfield after playing the Knicks tonight.  Here's to hopping
    the Knicks go down.
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    Did the Cavs play this weekend?

    
   >> Did the Cavs play this weekend?
    
      I *think* they played the 'Tics yesterday. I'm sure Hal would know
      the score.

    Hal should have been at the game yesterday.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

If Hal was at the game yesterday, he probably had the BIG ONE!!!

;^)

    
    	All right, all right already......hmmmmm, didn't think anyone
    cared.....
    
    	At any rate, Yea, I did go to the Celtic game Sunday and when
    I got home, I immediately put the tape in and watched the end from
    where the jump ball was done....and.....wouldn't you know, the ball
    was still going up when it was hit by that Celtic player...should
    have been given to Cleveland.  Still, the Cavs shot like crap in the
    fourth and still had a chance to win it.  Even without Mark Price.
    
    	
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    Cavs beat Charlotte last night and guess who's back...

Cavs lost last night and guess who's missing ....

The Crazy Met

     Hey, he's sick....

    re: .66 I hope Hal has a quick recovery, he is missing so much.
    
    Knicks beat the Cavs in Cleveland 115-95. Knicks had lost 12 straight
    in Cleveland; have now won 8 in a row - longest streak since 1989. My
    only concern is that they do not peak too soon. Knicks have broken
    long losing streaks this season in Boston, Chicago, and Cleveland.
    
    Cavs are now 3 games behind the Knicks in the East best record race.
    Bulls are 1.5 games behind - 2 in the loss column.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    A relapse....

    
    	ok, before I get into the Indians note this morning I do have a 
    few things to say about the knicks game the other day...
    
    	I wish I could have seen this game but I serched high and low
    and couldn't find it.  From the box score...
    
    	The Cavs got called for 6 (SIX) technicals durring the game.
    Also, the Cavs had two players and coach thrown out of the game.
    Why???  Sounds like some pretty piss poor officiating to me.
    
    	At any rate, the Cavs are not playing good ball lately...last
    two weeks.  Just hoping that the Cavs come out of there sluggish 
    streak soon!
    
    	Looks like the team they really want to play is the Bulls anyway.
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    
>>    	The Cavs got called for 6 (SIX) technicals durring the game.
>>    Also, the Cavs had two players and coach thrown out of the game.
>>    Why???  Sounds like some pretty piss poor officiating to me.
    
	This guy has got to win some kind of "super-spin doctor" award.

	Billl

It wasn't like Cleveland was close, they lost by 20.

fwiw 4 of the technicals were called on 2 players at the end of the game.
Dougherty and ?? were already on the bench in the 4th quarter and were ragging
on the officials. So the officials called 2 technicals on eahc and tossed
them from the game. So the 6 technicals is VERY misleading.

The Crazy Met

    
    	Since the last entry, the Cavs have come out of their slump
    by smacking Spurs and last night by beating up the 76ers.  Both
    games were won early in the third quarter with the starters sitting
    out the 4th. 
    	Last nights victory highlighted big Brad Daugherty...again.
    Don't want to forget Larry Nance's 8 or 9 block shots.  The Cavs
    have picked up their defense and took it to another level last night.
    This has been lacking since the allstar break.  On to Detroit this
    Sunday.
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    
    	The Cavs didn't look good yesterday against the Pistons.  Good
    defense but no offense.  The Cavs missed everything yesterday.  Price
    went something like 0-8 in the first half and didn't start the 2nd.
    
    	     o
    	Go CaVs!

    Cavs are making a habit of not looking good. They lost to the Knicks
    91-83, game was in NY. 
    
    This is great; no need for a Knicks note. Suns,Bulls,Cavs notes
    all seem to offer space graciously :-)
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    	Wasn't able to get this game either...what a drag.  Another poor
    outing by the Cavs.  Shooting percentage is going downnnnnnnnnn.  
    Hope they can pick it up over the next couple of weeks.
    
    	Sanders has come back....actually a few games ago but will need
    the playing time.
    
    	Brad and Mark both had terrible nights...only scoring 10 points
    each.
    
    	     o
    	Go CaVs!

    re: bad night by Brad and Mark
    
    Just a thought: the Knicks defense might have been a factor.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Yeah, wasn't that LT on the bench with Riley????  thought I hear tell
    Oakley how to strip the ball while your teammates are tackling the
    man with the ball. What next, muggings???????? 

    
    Cavs do the Knicks a favor by beating the Bulls. Knicks now lead
    Chicago by one game. Both teams have 4 games left.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    	The Cavs do no one a favor...just sending home the point!!!!!
    
    
    
    		Go CaVs!

   >>  The Cavs do no one a favor...
    
       Not even themselves?

    
    >><<< Note 62.80 by ELMAGO::BENBACA "IDidn'tPickMyNose.GodGaveItToMe!" >>>
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    Well, ya cain pick yer nose, and ya cain pick yer friends, but it's not
    advisable to pick yer friends nose!!
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Cavs have led all three scoring percentages this year...1st time it was
    	ever done.
    
    			foul shooting %
    			regular shooting %
    			3 pt shooting %
    
    
    	Look for the Cavs to dominate New Jersey....
    
    
    
    	I honestly expect the Cavs to beat Chicago this year!
    
                     o
    		Go CaVs!

    Cavs will never get by NY though.

re: .84

Cavs have to get by Chicago before they can meet NY; they probably can't
even do that.

The Crazy Met

I don't know which I want to see more the PUns(tm) or the Knickers go down
first.....Probably the Knickers cause of Riley....

The Knicks would probably have Doc Rivers and Anthony mug Price in an
alley way so they could win....

mike

re: .86

A typical myopic comment from a Celtics fan

The Crazy Met

Hey I rooted for the Knicks twice in my life.......  ;^)

ABL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! first and foremost.....

Myopic my butt Mr. Showtime has become Mr. Moshtime.....all for a
madsion avenue buck....

mike

    Cavs-Celtics should be a great Eastern final!
    
    NAZZ

NAZZ I eagerly await your next reply in the Crow note. Should be in the next
few weeks - max.

The Crazy Met

    A Cavs-Celts final would be interesting, especially since Boston has
    owned them this year.

I wonder what odds you could get for a Cavs-Celtics East Conference Finals
matchup.

The Crazy Met

    About the same as a Celtics VS Lakers Finals :-)
    Ill give 100:1 odds against it :-)

    
    	Great game last night if you are a Cavs fan...Star of the game....
    
    			the whole team.
    		
    		Great team effort!  Nine Cavs players in double figures.
    
    	1st quarter....teams traded baskets early then the Cavs starting
    	line-up took over by playing great defense.  Converted every
    	turnover into points.  Up by 7 at the end.  Ehlo had 10 points
    	to lead the team.
    
    	2nd quarter....Defense continued to beat the Nets.   Brandon,
    	Wilkins, Hot Rod and Ferry took over.  Great effort by the backups.
    	Took the lead and brought it up to 21 points before it was over.
    
    	Highlights....Brad Daughtery takes everything off the glass.  Nets
    	get one shot and their out.  Wilkins drives to the basket then
    	dumps it off for many slams.  Cavs hot at the 3pt line.  Everyone
    	involved in the game.  
    
    	3rd quarter....Starters put the game out of reach by pushing the 
    	lead up to 26 points.  Backups back out of the floor and the lead
    	dwindled back down to 21.  Garbage time....... 
    
    	4th quarter....All starters are pulled and backup-backups are in
    	the game.  Lead dwindles down to 16.  Garbage quarter.  No fouls.
    	let'em play and get the game over.
    
    	Great Coaching by Mr. Wilkins!
    
    	Back breaker play of the game.....
    
    		Hot Rod to Ehlo.......Ehlo back to Hot Rod.......
    		Hot Rod to Ehlo again...fakes the shot...back to
    		Hot Rod....Hot Rod with the SLAM!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    	Best part of the game.....
    
    
    
    		Mark Price fooooor TTTTTHHHHHHRRRRRREEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
    		Cregg Ehlo fooooor TTTTTHHHHHHRRRRRREEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
    
    	
    	It was great...when any of the Cavs set up to the big 3...the
    	whole crowd chanted........three.....three......three.....
    
    
    			Best in the league!
    
    
    		Send home the point baby!
    
    
    
    
    		Go CaVs!

     They can play if they were healthy... losing Anderson and Dudley
     made them a .500 team...
    

    
    	Cavs go down in game #2.  A wake up call.  Expect the Cavs to win
    the next two on the road.
    	
    	1st quarter...Both teams traded baskets with the Cavs fouling the
    Nets on every easy shot.  Mark Price plays well and hits 3 of 4 with
    6 assists.  Cavs only up by 1 at the end of the quarter.
    
    	2nd quarter...Nothing spectacular except that the Nets are hitting
    everything they throw up.  Cavs up by 4 at the end of the half.
    
    	3rd quarter...Cavs looking stronger but the Nets stay only 4 back.
    
    	4th quarter...Cavs begin to extend the lead to as much as 13 points
    then gets sloppy.  Started shooting 3 pointers without being open. 
    They got away from the game plan.  Lead dwindles to nothing.  Like I
    said earlier, the Nets hit everything...amazing actually.  
    
    	Overall...The Cavs lost this game because of the outstanding
    shooting of the Nets.  I don't think the defense was that bad.  Its
    just that they were hitting everything!
    
    	Player rateings so far....
    
    		Mark Price:  Could be playing better.  Expect him to turn
    it up another notch tonight.  He has been hitting almost everything,
    its just that he is getting into foul trouble because the team is not
    giving the easy ones.  He did however, miss a free throw in the last 
    game.
    
    		Brad Daugherty:  Has been playing good.  Hasn't been that
    dominating though.  Shots not falling.  He has been playing great off
    the board, taking everything in site.
    
    		Larry Nance:  Looks alittle rusty.  Has hit all free
    throws.  Off and on from the floor.  Lacked intensity in game #2.
    
    		Sanders:  Not noticed.
    
    		Ehlo:  Big difference from game 1 to game 2.  Looked much
    better in game 1.  
    
    		Hot Rod:  Has been playing great ball off the bench.
    
    		Danny Ferry:  Has dominated when he comes in.  Big future
    in Cleveland.
    
    		Brandon:  Has been putting some great minutes off the bench
    in place of Mark Price.  I know he hurt himself in game 1, which was
    his best game.  
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

>    I'd like to know what scheduling genius put the Cavs-Nets schedule
>    together.  They played on the first day of the playoffs and play
>    game 3 tonight?  Boston and Charlotte play game 4 of their series
>    tonight, don't they?  Well, I guess to Cleveland's advantage they
>    will have time to rest... Nance and Price could use it.

It might have something to do with the fact that the Devils were playing
a hockey playoff game a day later than Boston was, and they went one
game longer.

I'm sure there must have been some contention for the Brendan Byrne
Arena.

Course, I'm not even sure what date today is so I might be all screwed up....


'Saw
    

    ...and the Bulls have swept Atlanta and are just resting and waiting for
    the Cleveland-Jersey winner.

    
    	re:-1   Thats fine...let them rott.  Cleveland plays best with
    little rest...thats why I'm worried about tonights game.  Still look
    for them to win though.
    
    	Has the "God" of basketball made any predictions yet???
    
    	The last one I heard was when the Bulls played the Cavs, in
    Richfield......"God", will you score 40 points again?  You bet, he
    said, and we will win the game.    Outcome:  Cavs won going away....
    
    	
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    
    	Great game last night!!!
    
    	Had to watch it in inverted video though....no crowd noise...no
    announcers....still a great game.
    
    	Things got very physical in this game with two fights nearly
    breaking out.  One technical called in the 4th against the Nets
    in the fourth.  No ejections though...the officals just took the 
    players involved off to the side and told them to calm down.
    
    	1st quarter:  Cavs came out cold...Hmmmmm, I think I said something
    about this yesterday.  They went something like 4 for 19 from the
    floor.  Also durring this time, they committed 6 turnovers.  Cavs down
    by 9 at the end.
    
    	2nd quarter:  Cavs made a huge comeback and tied the score but the
    Nets came back with the final 5 points of the quarter.  Down by 5 at
    the end.
    
    	3rd quarter:  All-stars Nance and Daugherty take over.  Both were
    awsome off the boards.  It was actually the whole group of starters
    that did the Nets in.  Great defense!  Nets got the jitters and began
    turning the ball over with stupid mistakes.  The Cavs were unstopable
    at one point relentlessly going after offensive rebounds.  Nets got
    into foul trouble early in the quarter which spelt the end.
    
    	4th quarter:  Cavs extend the lead to 13 before the Nets give it
    their last shot.....final score.....Cavs win by 7.
    
    	Mark Price was cold from the floor....again.  Not a good series for
    him.  He went something like 2 for 12 yesterday.  Mark never plays well
    with lots of rest.  
    
    	Give the Nets some credit though...Coleman is a hell of a player.
    Petrovic has lots of energy but was lucky he didn't get thrown out of 
    the game last night.
    
    	Looks like the extra two days off helped Larry Nance though.  Can't
    even tell he's playing with a broken finger.
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

        <<< Note 62.102 by STRATA::WHITEHAIR "Mark Price = 3 pt ace!" >>>
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Hal it's obvious to me that you're puttin' a whammy or KOD on
 Price with that p-name. Change it and watch Price's FG % go up....

 trust me...

 ;^)

    
    	Mike,
    		Yea, I know....something like 0-5 last night.....
    
    		Maybe he's saving it for the next series....
    
    
    	     o
    	Go CaVs!

    
    	Well this is the series weve all been waiting for, Another Bulls
    	VS Cavs series.  There always exciting, bulls have been resting
    	after sweeping Atlanta well the Cavs couldnt take out the Nets
    	quick enough....
    
    	Game 1 on tuesday night, anybody have an injury update on both
    	teams.  Id like to see a healthy clean series, becuase the next
    	series in the east will more then likely be WWF Thugball at its
    	best. :-)  Looking forward to jawing it up with you cav fans, you
    	cleveland fans are fun to Jaw with :-)
    
    							MairB

    Bottom line is - Nets sweep with a healthy Kenny Anderson.  Don't ever
    forget that fact, Cleveland fans.  It took a cruel twist of fate to
    allow your team to sneak in to the conference semi-finals.  And if the
    Nets could force your team to look so disorganized with their minimal
    defensive pressure, what the Bulls do to you won't be pretty.

:-)

The Crazy Met

  >  Bottom line is - Nets sweep with a healthy Anderson/Dudley/Bowie.  Don't 
  >  ever forget that fact, Cleveland fans.  It took a cruel twist of fate to
  >  allow your team to sneak in to the conference semi-finals.  And if the
  >  Nets could force your team to look so disorganized with their minimal
  >  defensive pressure, what the Bulls do to you won't be pretty.
    
    More like it...
    

    
    	Yes, the Cavs got the job done when they needed to.  On to da 
    bullshitters.........
    
    	Hope da bullshitters got too much rest!  The Cavs have done a
    good job this year against Jordan...only allowed him an average of
    27 points a game compared to over 30, probably closer to 40 last
    year.
    
    	So, what is this.....a five game series?
    
    	Brandon was the big man in the first half comming off the bench
    in place of Price who picked up two early fouls.  Seeing how well
    Brandon played, Price didn't get back in the game untill the 3rd 
    quarter.  When Price did come in.....he did a job on the Nets. 
    Finally!  Looks like he got his touch back.
    	Man of the game though was Big Brad Daugherty!  Took everything
    off the glass.
    	I do have to say though...the officiating sucked throughout the
    entire series.  One minute they call nothing...the next...they call
    everything.  The call on Brad for a technical was bullcrap in my
    mind.  Sure, he hung there on the dunk, but, no more than Coleman
    a few minutes later in the game.
    
    	You wanted an injury update...
    
    	Mark Price.....torn ligament in his thumb.
    	Larry Nance....broken finger.
    	Brad Daugherty.tendenits in his knee.
    
    I really think this could be the year for the Cavs.  The series will
    more than likely go 5 games but I wouldn't be surprised if it only went
    4.  Jordan won't be able to carry the whole team this year and with the
    pickups the Cavs made especially for this series will do him in.
    
    	So, to guard Jordan, the Cavs put either Sanders, Ehlo or Wilkins
    on him.  Would really like to see Wilkins play him more than anyone
    else but Sanders can play great defense.  
    
    	Should be some great games! 
    
    	Figure the Cavs to win at least one in Chicago...
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

Cleveland has little chance of beating the Bulls this series.

First of all:
>    	You wanted an injury update...
>    
>    	Mark Price.....torn ligament in his thumb.
>    	Larry Nance....broken finger.
>    	Brad Daugherty.tendenits in his knee.

And if that's not enough, Jordan has drawn a bead on Gerald Wilkins.
Evidently there's no great love loss between the 2. The Cavs are making a
big deal of winning the regular season series and holding Jordan under
his averages. So Jordan has vowed to step his game up to dominate Wilkins
and the Cavs.

The one should be over in 5, giving the Cavs one home win. There's no way
the Cavs can win this without Mark Price being at 100%. The word out is
that Mark needs surgery.

TTom

    If I had gotten a (tm) for that paragraph, I'd be rich by now!
    
    Knew a shoulda been an author instead of an editor!  ;-)
    
    NAZZ

re: .108

Only the first round series is 5 games. All others are 7 games.
Cavs will lose the series I just hope they can take Chicago to
6 or 7 and bang them up a bit.

The Crazy Met

    
    	This is it....game one tonight....
    
    	Should be a great game....
    
    	I still feel the Cavs will come out HOT.
    
    	Look for Mark Price to play his best game of the playoffs so far.
    
    	Wasn't it last year that the Bulls had to go to a Jordan/Price
    	matchup on the court to stop Mark from eating wings?  Me thinks
    	so.  Also look for Jordan to eat his words this year.  Can't
    	wait!
    
    	So, what will people say if the Cavs do pull the big upset this
    year?          o o o
                 o      o
    	       o         \o   MARK PRICE            
             o            |        FOR
    	Go CaVs!         / \         TTHHRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
    
                  o o
               o/ o   o
               |  o     o\o    LARRY NANCE
              / \         |           WITH THE BLOCK
    	bUlls            / \

    >	Wasn't it last year that the Bulls had to go to a Jordan/Price
    >	matchup on the court to stop Mark from eating wings?  Me thinks
    >	so.  Also look for Jordan to eat his words this year.  Can't
    >	wait!
    
    You're the best, Hal!  Jordan really had to chomp down that crow last
    year, for sure!  The nerve of the Bulls changing their defensive
    matchups to stop the hot hand!  Isn't that an illegal defense in the
    NBA or something?
    
    >	So, what will people say if the Cavs do pull the big upset this
    > year?          o o o
    
    It's about time?
    
    glenn
    

    year?          o o o
                 o      o
    	       o         \o   MARK PRICE            
             o            |        FOR
    	Go CaVs!         / \         TTHHRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
    
                  o o
               o/ o   o
               |  o     o\o    LARRY NANCE
              / \         |           WITH THE BLOCK
    	bUlls            / \


Great picture - perhaps our friend Mr. Brydie has a comment about your 
lifestyle.

[isfh]

=Bob=

re: .112

Well folks, I guess sports is such serious business to
some folks that even multiple :-)'s can be ignored. Now why am I 
not surprised.

The Crazy Met

    -3, its about time !!!! Thats a good one.  
    
    Well if you look at the 2 teams, position by position you have to
    give cleveland the edge.  If you compare the 2 teams benches you
    have to give cleveland the edge, but Cleveland dont have a MJ on there
    teams, and bottom line if you shut down MJ Cleveland should take the
    series, if MJ/Pippen get injured you cleveland should take the series.
    
    I seem to recall a game 5 where Cleveland should have taken the series
    and a one man team took game 5 and the series away from them.  
    
    This will be the best series of the eastern playoffs.  These are the 2
    best teams, based on talant in the Division.  Yes NY is having a great
    year but if anybody out there pro/con NY doesnt realize that they use
    thuggury for many of there wins they need to turn on the TV before
    watching the games.
    
    Im looking forward to this series, and may the Best team win, good luck
    cleveland.
    
    							MairB

    I want to know how Price "elevates" enough to arc it and still have it
    go in the V when he releases it above where it goes in.  Also looks
    like Nance is goaltending since the ball is on its way down. 

    
    
>                  o o
>               o/ o   o
>               |  o     o\o    LARRY NANCE
>              / \         |           WITH THE BLOCK
>    	bUlls            / \
    
Looks like goaltending to me
    

    notes collusion, Walt

Looks like a diagram of the old Single Wing football play,
with a couple of guys  blowing off some farts to propel
them into the line....


8^)

    Except mine was done 20 minutes before yours, Bruce... what were you
    doing, thinking about your neighbor again?
    

    
    I'm not a technoweenie like you, Walt.  8^)

    I ain't no technoweenie...

sure you are Walt

The Crazy Met

I'm with Walt, -- Whether or not Walt is or is not a
technoweenie is nowhere near as interesting as
Brews' neighbor.....


'Saw

    Yawn.
    
    Cavs lost to the Bulls 91-84 in game 1. Jordan scored 43 points. Of
    course if the Bulls, other than Jordan, all score so poorly in all
    games then this will be a long series.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

>    Yawn.
    
 Spoken like a true snubbing Knick fan. If Michael makes you yawn maybe
 you better stick to baseball...

 ;^)

 but hey we all know that if jackson hadn't put the "Glove" on Mark
 Price, the Cavs win this one going away....right Hal?

 who are the Cavs going to pickup this off season to do the job?

 mike

    He's yawning because ex-Knick  Gerald "I'm here to stop Michael"
    Wilkins sleepwalked through his game... 43 points out of 90+ is kind
    of high, don't you think?
    
    Who said junk noting was dead?  You must have been gone too long.
    
    Is Bruce's neighbor a Cav's fan?  Nun's(tm) fan?

    
    Still a good game last night.....the Cavs had their chance but blew it.
    
    Tight game through 3 quarters but it was the 4th quarter that the game
    was won in.  In the pivatal 4th, it was the Jordan play.....after play
    .....after play.....after play.  The Cavs looked like their intensity
    level dropped off except for Wilkins and Daugherty.  Big play of the 
    game was....score....Cavs down by 5 with about 3 minutes left....Cavs
    have the ball, Larry Nance takes a jumper...in and out....instead of 
    being down by only 3, the bulls get the ball and a basket....Cavs down
    by 7.  That was the game breaker.  Later though...with about 1:20 left,
    Cavs down by 5 again but Jordan gets fouled by Ehlo....terible call in
    my opinion.  Jordan makes both free throws and its down by 7 again.
    Lets not even mention the 4 missed free throws by the Cavs in the final
    minutes of the game......  Cavs choked in the end.  
    	Well, the game plan for the Cavs seems to be the same as the
    regular season.....single cover Jordan and make him win the game.
    Only one other player for the bulls scored double figures...I thing it
    was anderson scoreing 10.  Great team effort....Aeeeee?  One thing for 
    sure.....even with the great coverage Wilkins put on Jordan, Jordan
    still made many great shots.  There were only a few times that Jordan
    got the basket uncontested.  I still would give Ehlo and Wilkins a "B"
    on the coverage but have to give Jordan an "A" for his great effort.
    
    	I wonder just how great Jordan would be if the bulls didn't play
    the Cavs in the playoffs.  43 dam points.  what a drag.
    
    	3 point update....Cavs hit on 5 of 8 in the first half but couldn't
    sink one when it counted in the 2nd half.  The Cavs seem to really need
    these to take Chicago at home.  
    
    	Injuries...Grant went down in the first quarter after twisting his
    ankle....any update on this???
    
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    Armstrong had 10 pts... 

    
      If anyone is gonna make a difference for Cleveland it's gonna
     have to be Daugherty. If he stays in his shell like he did last 
     night, the Cavs don't stand a chance.

    
    I'd like to know what the shot percentage is for the bulls...
    
    	ie...
    
    	Jordan...10 for 20
    	rest of the bulls...2 for 5
    
    	got the idea???
    
    	just interested...
    			Thanks
    
    		     o
    		Go CaVs!

    One of the best ways I've heard to defend a 1-superstar team is to let
    him get his 30-40 points and shut down the rest.  Of course the rest of
    your defenders can't be soft and they have to step up.  

A - "B" for Wilkins and Elho is stretching it even for you Hal. They flunked
badly. Michael took them to the hole repeatedly and outside when he felt like
it. 

Unless Elho or Wilkins talks to the debil in the next few days and cuts a
deal with him, as usual the one-man gang will eliminate the Cavs...

mike

I agree, Wilkens didn't look like much of a defensive stopper to me last night.

All I saw was MJ doing his "Best Player in the Universe" routine pretty 
effectively. 

Wilkens first mistake was saying anything, most "designated" stoppers keep their
mouths shut until after the fact.  Jordan looked pretty motivated to me.

 

    
    	come on Mike....
    
    		of the 16 shots Jordan made....I'd have to say that only
    	3 or 4 were given and another 5 were because of poor backup by the
    	rest of the team.  The rest of them were shots made with people in
    	his face.
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    They did hold them to under 95 points... they need to get Brad
    Daugherty into the offense.  He took what, 7 shots?  Where did
    he go to school?
    

    
> Wilkens first mistake was saying anything, most "designated" stoppers keep their
> mouths shut until after the fact.  Jordan looked pretty motivated to me.
    
    Bingo.  It's not like holding a 31 ppg scorer to 27 ppg (or whatever it
    was) is all that significant anyway.  We're not talking Michael Cooper
    here...
    
    glenn
    

    The yawn was directed at .128 not at last
    nights game.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

oops sorry my mistake.. ;^)

anyways wether or not Wilkins or Elho's help was missing their assigments
or not, MJ had to first beat Gerald or Craig first, no? 

Daugherty can't get involved unless Price gets him the ball more and Price
can't get him the ball with MJ on him as effectively as he does against
others. Also the Bulls were very quick in doubling Brad last night who 
made more than a few good passes to teamamates who blew bunnies and wide
open J's....


Bottom line is Gearld should keep the day time job cause as a Nightmare
exterminator he's a failure...

mike

    nights game.
    ^^^^^^        
    night's

You've been slipping lately Craze...

The 'Cadet

The fact that oyu notice something off when I miss on one of those '
is a compliment :-)

So are we gonna see Melanie and Lindsey tomorrow. Assure your wife
that we all guarantee that they will enjoy the experience of a
bar :-)

The Crazy Met

    
    Hal has a wonderful opportunity to be creative. How many missed loose
    balls, bad calls by the ref, and shots that just missed does it take
    for the Cavs to have almost won game 2? First playoff game I have seen
    this year that was truly a massacre. After the middle of the second
    quarter Cavs were not even in the same universe as the Bulls. 30 point
    leads? Final difference was 19 points.
    
    Of course teams that get blown out can come back. Celtics in 1984(?)
    got blown out by LA in one game and came back to win the series. In
    1985 the Celtics beat the Lakers by 30 or was it 40 in game 1 of the
    Finals, LA won in 6. Knicks got blown out in game 2 of the 1990 series
    against the Celtics and came back to win. So all is not over but
    Cleveland has to start scoring 100+ points or they are in real trouble.
    Will be interesting to see of Jordan's aggravating his sore wrist will
    be a factor.
    
    Next 2 games are Saturday and Monday in Cleveland.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    	Certainly wasn't pretty last night and I must say the Cavs don't
    look like a playoff team AT ALL!
    	Made me sick to watch them and even sicker to have to come in to
    work today.  All the crap I have to take.  I swear...one of these
    days...I'm going to switch teams.  Talk about choke.....what a job.
    	Have to give the Bulls credit though...great defense combined with
    poor shooting, makes the Cavs step back and look at themselves.
    	I've watched this team all year...didn't miss very many games at
    all.  I can say that this team has surely played better...much better,
    than they have in this series....well, not only in this series but last
    series too.  I've seen this team play with so much confidence that you
    knew they couldn't have been beaten.  Now, they look like they haven't
    played together at all.
    	Very frustrating!  And yes Crazy, I do think the officiating sucked
    last night.  Just to name a few calls....the ones that hurt....were the
    ones that didn't get called against Brad Daugherty just after the Cavs
    began pulling back from being down a halftime.  The Cavs get 5 straight
    points and get the ball to Brad in the paint.  He starts going up for 
    the shot and gets slapped all over and the ball comes loose....no call,
    the ball goes the other way....this must have happened at least twice
    on Brad alone.  You could tell it bothered Brad and the whole team. 
    One foul after another was just not called.  It has to be draining to
    have this happen time and time again.  
    	And then there were all those missed shots...I mean uncontested
    shots that just didn't go in.  Lets talk about turnovers.....no lets
    not.  The Cavs were totally out of sink.  Why???  Has coach Wilkins
    lost it???  I think this is the big question.  The Cavs certainly have
    the talent.  When you have backups that can start anywhere in the
    league and you get blown out.....something just has to be done.  I
    think the Cavs have been shocked here and if they don't start taking
    control of the games in Cleveland, the Cavs will be playing golf as
    early as next Tuesday.
    	A big question after game one was posed to Coach Wilkins.....Why
    didn't you play Price in the final 7 minutes???  Good question!  Why?
    You have a player the caliber of Price sitting on the bench...down by
    5, and you don't play him?????  WHAT THE HELL!  Its really sickening!
    	Another thing that is sickening....can't anybody get the ball to 
    Brad???  How many passes were taken right out of the air while tossing
    the ball to Brad???  4, 5...maybe more.  I just can't stand it.  The
    Cavs look like they haven't played for 3 months.  And that is true. 
    They haven't looked good since before the half season break.  They 
    couldn't be stopped then.  
    	At any rate, if the Cavs can get things back together while they
    play at home...build their confidence by winning the next two, I think
    they may still have a chance.  BUT, if they lose just one of the next
    two.....its over, and I'd bet they'd just lie down in Chicago next
    Wednesday.
    	COME ON ----- GET YOUR CRAP TOGETHER ! ! ! !
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    You could start rooting for the Lakers/Rockets or the Oilers...
    

  It's obvious to me that the Cavs are just toying with the Bulls.  After two
  easy wins, the Bulls will have their guard down as they saunter into
  Cleveland.  Then *wham!* before Chicago realizes it's been suckered in,
  the Cavs will win three straight & their momentum will roll right over the
  Bulls.

  That Lenny Wilkins...what a strategist :^)

  hth,
  Kath
  

Thanks Kath for that wonderful note; needed that laugh.

The Crazy Met

But it's true enough.  If the Cavaliers can re-group and win the next two home
games, these first two games will be forgotten.   That's certainly possible.

    
    All thats left is for the fat lady to sing. Cavs have once again
    demonstrated complete ineptitude when playing a team that is on par or
    better than them. They continue to be a very underachieving team. Sure
    the Bulls are favored, but I think everyone expected the Cavs to at
    least take the series to 6 games.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

The Crazy Met

    Cleveland must shake things up.  Here's what I would do if I were
    them:
    
    1) Allow Lenny Wilkins to take the Hawks job.  He's too classy a guy
       to fire, but don't stand in his way if the Hawks offer him their
       head coaching job.
    
    2) Trade Mark Price to New York for Anthony Mason and Hubert Davis.
       Trade would help both teams - gives Cavs some much-needed nads
       and an outside shooter; gives Knicks the point guard they need.
    
    3) Do not attempt to sign Craig Ehlo.  He's unrestricted; let him go.
       
    4) Sign Joe Kleine as an unrestricted free agent.  He'll give Daugherty
       a decent backup, allow Hot Rod to be strictly a PF where he's more
       effective, and be a good influence on the team.
    
    5) Draft a backup PG to replace Price, like Nick Van Exel from
       Cincinnati.
    
    Their roster would then look like this:
    
    C - Daugherty, Kleine, Guidinger
    PF - Mason, Williams
    SF - Nance, Sanders, Ferry
    SG - Davis, Wilkins
    PG - Brandon, Van Exel
    
    Net result - Cavs get tougher and shoot better from the off guard spot.
    hey also run more with Brandon at the point.
    
    NAZZ

    
      Brad Daugherty looks more and more like a conscientious objector
     every game.

    I really have to shake my head when Larry Nance (who was one Cavalier
    who at least had a decent game) fouls out, goes to the bench and shakes
    a few hands before sitting down with a big smile on his face.  You
    wonder if these guys believed they even had a chance, or if playing
    tough for 3.5 quarters is victory enough...
    
    glenn
     

    I wonder whether the NBA will suspend Pipi for the punch that he threw
    at Mark Price ?  BTW, the punch landed on his Mark's back.
    
    Chances are that no fine/penaltly will be assessed since Pipi has now
    reached superstar status.
    
    John "D Cowboys" R.

    
    Bulls win 103-101 and wrap up the series 4-0. Bulls did their part now
    its up to the Knicks to close out Charlotte tomorrow.
    
    Cavs have to rank as one of the greatest underachieving teams in a very
    long time.
    
    Any guesses if Hal will be in this notesfile before the Browns begin
    training camp?
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Bulls win on a last second Jordan jumper too..
    

    And when will Mr. Gronowski return?
    

    
    
         Good thing Cleveland got Gerald Wilkins huh? The man was a
    defensive dynamo.
    
    
    Chappy

    
    	I just had to wait till the game last night was over....thats all.
    Why write two notes when one is enough...
    
    	On Saturdays game....I missed the entire second half....hand
    goodness!  I seen them play a very good first half though.
    
    	Watched all of yesterdays game and can only say....what can you do.
    Jordan seems as though he can do it all.  And I have to say that
    Wilkins played him as well as anyone has.  I mean, come on, Wilkins was
    all over him....with 11 seconds left, he knocked the ball away from
    him...and the time down the court before, he was in his face causing
    him to miss again.  I really think Wilkins did one hell of a job and
    showed some leadership the team has lacked.  Its just too bad that the 
    Cavs couldn't handle the pressure.  Look at it, the Cavs must have
    turned the ball over at least 5 times in the last 5 minutes...if not
    more.  What shitty passing!  Then the is Brad.....the Cavs got him the
    ball, what, 4 times in the last two minutes, and he didn't even make
    one basket.  He still has some growing up to do....he needs to get
    mean!  He is too weak and just didn't show the intensity needed in the 
    end.
    	Larry Nance....is the true All Star.....I can only give him credit
    for doing what an All Star does.  Hell of a series played by this man.
    	Ehlo, LET HIM GO!  I've said this time and time again.  He can't 
    shoot or pass under pressure.
    	Mark Price...Don't want to see him leave Cleveland.  He played
    another good game last night untill his ankle injury.  He does do the
    things needed to win.  Its just that when the ball is in someone elses
    hands.....that the Cavs can't seem to generate any offense.
    	Ferry, needed this playoff exposure.  It still seemed like he could
    have picked up the intensity and watch how he passes the ball.  Many
    big turnovers by him in the last two days.
    	Hot Rod, great when he drives!  Can't give this man up...he gives
    Nance the rest he needs without really loosing anything.
    	Brandon, he does a good job on most occasions and wouldn't want to 
    loose this guy.
    	
    
    	At any rate, I'm honestly glad to see the Cavs loose at home.  It
    has to be better than loosing in Chicago by a bigger margine.  The Cavs
    just have to be more intense and be confident.
    
    
    
    	If you want me....I'll be in the INDIANS notes file...
    
    
    
    	WaHOOOO!
    
    

>    	On Saturdays game....I missed the entire second half....hand
>                                                              ^^^^^^
>    goodness!  I seen them play a very good first half though.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^


Hand goodness?

Hal, I have to ask you a few questions:

		a) do you read Glamour?
		b) are you Master of Your Domain?


[many 8^)]

'Saw

at issue:

Pippen didn't punch Price. Repeated replays showed an open hand push. I
ain't condoning it but it wasn't a punch.

Gerald Wilkins is taking a lot of heat about his "lack" of defense on
Jordan but even His Airness said he was surprised that he wasn't double
teamed. At least Wilkins showed some emotion which is more than can be
said about Mark Price or Brad Daugherty.

The forced foul by Daugherty on a break away by Jordan really showed his
softness. Can anyone imagine Charles Oakley gently grabbing Jordan,
trying to hold him up while he shot?

I'm not sure what the Cavs need but this ain't it.

TTom

> Pippen didn't punch Price. Repeated replays showed an open hand push. 

But you know that if it was Starks or Mason who did this all the Objective
Analysts in this notesfile and half the media would be calling for a 
one game suspension.

The Crazy Met

    
       Wilkins has nothing to be ashamed of because he played his 
      heart out last night. So did Ehlo. Brad Daugherty would have
      but I don't think he has one. If aggression manifested itself
      in good looks, Brad would be even uglier than he already is.
      In fact, he and Zane Smith would be neck and ugly neck for 
      captain of the All-Sports All-Ugly team. But last night's loss
      wasn't entirely Daugherty's fault. Lenny Wilkens deserves to 
      shoulder a large chunk of the blame. I thought among other things
      that it was a bad move sitting Mark Price down for as long as he
      did. And Lenny doesn't look like he could light a fire under
      that Cavs team with five gallons of high octane, a dozen BIC
      lighters and a team of Branch Davidians as advisors. Look for
      some serious changes in the Mistake on the Lake with Lenny
      leaving town among them.
       
  

    .171
    
    Agree.
    
    John "D Cowboys" R.

    
   >> 4) I honestly hope one of the Knicks players ends Jordan's career.
    
        And the SPORTSnotes Good Sportsmanship Award goes to...

    Oooh that hurts... didn't realize a DMSL officer got paid for his
    services.  I'm sorry...
    

re: .176

Wasn't this the same peson who asked about ::sports not only being about sports?

re:underachievers

Yup Mets were underachievers but at least they did win a WS and one other
division in 3 years. Cavs have never even gotten to the NBA finals and
only got to the Eastern finals once; they have not one a division in a long 
time, if ever.


Keith Oberman on ESPN couldn't believe that the Cavs did not double team Jordan,
His last comment was "it isn't that bad, I have 2 words to say
to Cleveland fans, Ted Sapien." Oberman (sp?) is always fun to listen to

That comment about ending Jordan's career is way out of line. 

The Crazy Met

    
     Hey TCM, break it down for me, who the hell is Ted Sapien?

>     Hey TCM, break it down for me, who the hell is Ted Sapien?
    
    Tommy, that's Homo's brother.

    Simple, think before you type.  
    
    I would not have wanted to Be Like Mike last night, can you imagine
    how some of those cleveland fans must have felt.  I would have wanted
    to be on a plane before people even got out of the building.  It only
    takes one Nutcase to go a little too far and take sports a little to
    seriously to cause some major damage, to a person, there team and there
    family.  In todays world im surprised there are not more incidents
    involving drunken fans and sports figures.
    
    NY fan and players may want and try to take jordan down, but they wont
    come out and say it !  And I doubt there's one Knicks player that deep
    down would want to cause permanant damage to someone carear (while
    maybe) ???
    								MaB

    Stepien was the old Cavs owner that almost ran the franchise completely
    into the ground in the early 80's before the NBA took the team away.
    

Thanks Walt. Wasn't sure about that spelling.

Wasn't Stepien the owner about the same time that the city of Cleveland
filed for bankruptcy.

The Crazy Met

    Why hold Jordan responsible for the hype?  In its place will only be
    the hype of another player, such as the currently fashionable Shaq 
    hype, the fading Sir Charles-hype, or the appearing-soon-in-theaters-
    near-you Chris Webber-hype (he'll have to get a nickname, fast).  
    NBA-style hype won't disappear with the retirement, injury or death of 
    Michael Jordan.  If the NBA has actually gotten to the point where the 
    greatness of its individual players is no longer tolerable, it would 
    appear that the only option is to give up the NBA...
    
    glenn
    

    
    re .187
    
    	You should appreciate Jordan as a basketball player while
    	he's still around to enjoy.  Your team might be losing
    	because of him, but the greats are few and far between.
    
    jmo,
    
    Claybone

         re .187
    
         Ooh, Claybone waxing philosophical. Nice note, dude.

    
        If I may be so bold - I don't think hype has anything to
       do with Joe's distaste for Jordan. I think it's the fact
       that Jordan's crushes the Cavs stones all the while wearing 
       that arrogant I'm-the-best-thing-going smirk of his. 

    
>        If I may be so bold - I don't think hype has anything to
>       do with Joe's distaste for Jordan. I think it's the fact
>       that Jordan's crushes the Cavs stones all the while wearing 
>       that arrogant I'm-the-best-thing-going smirk of his. 

 very astute there Tommy. Seeing how I know Joe and I told Joe before the
 series that MJ alone could beat the CAVS and now I'm-wearing-that-know-it-
 all-smile (that won't last too long) too add salt to the wound....Now if
 I could just run into Hal....

 ;^)

    
    	Yeah, Tommy.  I know.  I'll return to my usual mindless
    	drivel now. :*)

re:.196

Thanks; I'm not sure my system could take any more shocks :-)

The Crazy Met

    
     >> But I certainly don't hold similar feelings towards John 
     >> Elway, who's been just as great a pox upon Cleveland sports.
    
        Yeah, but after beating Cleveland in the AFC championship 
        game all Elway has ever done is go on to do his impression 
        of Little Bighorn as a football game. Jordan meanwhile has 
        two rings and is working on a third and has taken the road 
        through Cleveland for each of them.
    
    >> Joe (slinking back into his hole to avoid the psychoanalysis)

       Joe, attempting to deny your feelings by crawling back into
       the proverbial womb won't solve anything. Open up and let
       those feelings pour out. I'm here for you. [isfh]
    

Chicago beat the Cavs in 1989 and 1992. Did they also knock them out in
both 1990 and 1991??

The Crazy Met

    
    Chicago beat the Cavs in 1988, 1989, 1992, and now in 1993.  In 1990,
    the Cavs lost to the 76ers; in 1991, the Cavs missed the playoffs.
    
    Joe

Was 1991 the year everyone was injured??

The Crazy Met

    
    Re .201
    
    Yes, though 1990 wasn't too awfully much better.  Price missed almost
    all of 90-91, Williams missed much of the year, and most everyone else
    missed some time.
    
    Joe

    
    Lenny Wilkens resigned as head coach of the Cavs.
    
    Joe

    This is the only thing that could have been done...sure he got them
    there 5 of the 7 years he coached...but, with the players he had to 
    work with...who could have done worse.  He couldn't get the players
    motivated enough to win the big one.  Look, the Cavs were winning 
    three of four games in the fourth quarter but to just peter out in 
    the end.  It was a depressing end to an otherwise great season.  Its
    about time to get some new blood in here.  I couldn't even guess at
    who might take over.....
    
    	I vote....Jim Chones
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    
    	Ehlo is out of here!  Finally!!!
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    
    Why, yes, I did; they lost, 112-96 (or thereabouts) to Phoenix at
    Phoenix.
    
    Enjoy,
    
    Joe

    John Battle - is he going to keep playing?  How long until Brandon
    comes back?
    
    -Walt
    

    
    >>        <<< Note 62.207 by 16421::HEISER "but I *like* it!!!" >>>
    >>          -< anyone hear how the Cavs did on Saturday night? >-
    
    Better yet, ANYBODY CARE???????????????????/
    
    
    JaKe
    

    JaKe, LOVE that p_name!
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    I bet the Cadavers wish they kept Lenny Wilkens now!

    
    	Just give them some time.  Its like a brand new team out there.
    	I watched the game the other day and there are alot of new faces.
    	Watch them just barely make the playoffs then turn it into
    	overdrive.  Things just arn't jelling yet.  Give Boston some credit
    	though.  They shot like crazed mainiacs Wednesday night in the 
    	second half....something like 65-70% from the field.  
    
    	     o
    	Go CaVs

    	Hey Hal, you can lose the P-Name, unless of course you happen to
    believe it!  8^)  There's no denying Atlanta's rise and Cleveland's
    fall are due to Lenny Wilkens.
    
    				/Don

    
    	Sorry Don,
    		I don't agree with that *at* all!  There have been lots of
    	changes in Cleveland and its just going to take some time for the 
    	team to get used to them.
    
    	hw

    Look at Fratello's track record in Atlanta and look at what Cleveland's
    done thus far.  Do the same for Lenny.

    
    Re last few
    
    Hate to say it, but I agree with Mike.  As the season continues, the
    Cavs look to be no closer to "gelling" than they were early in the
    year.  Ferry, who had shown hints of talent the past couple of years,
    has deservedly fallen off the face of the planet after showing poor
    fundamental play.  Brandon hasn't improved, and there's evidence of
    some dissension among the ranks.  The Cavs should be near the top;
    I'm convinced that with Lenny they would be.  I can understand the
    desire to get someone new; it just makes sense to at least get someone
    as good as Lenny, though.
    
    Joe
    

      Lenny quit before Jordan, right?
    
      I wonder if Jordan would have quit 1st, if Lenny would have stayed
    seeing how he couldn't beat Jordan and da Bulls...
    
      Tim

    
    	Cavs are on a 5 game winning streak...
    
    	Just thought it should be noted.
    
    	Tonight against Utaw.
    
    	     o
    	Go CAVS!

Hal,

Lets see you in here the next time they have lost 5 in a row. Until
then go hide in a bunker.

The Crazy Met

    
    	Atlanta's streak comes to an end in Cleveland.  The Cavs kicked
    butt on Saturday!  With 5 minutes left in the 4th, the Cavs pull the
    starters.  Brad Daughtery did not play...down with the flu and has 
    missed the last two games.  
    	Since going 7 - 14 the Cavs are 16 - 8.  Nance has played some
    outstanding ball in the run.  Brad also has been playing better.  The
    team looks to have picked up the new style ball and are going with it.
    	Cavs take over 3rd place now with Charlote going down the tubes.
    
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    
    	The Cavs win another one at home against the Nets.  From what I
    heard on the raidio, the Nets got s p a n k e d pretty good!  Anyone
    watch the game?  I see by the line score that Price scored something 
    like 26 points and Brad didn't play for the third straight game.
    
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    >                         -< the tradition goes on... >-

    
    
    	Yabbut, Kenny Anderson of the Nets (another Archbishop Molloy HS
    grad, btw) is gonna start in the NBA ALL-Star game thisted weekend!!!!!
    
    so there!!!
    
    ;^)
    
    I remain,
    being true to mah schoolmates!
    Kev
    

    
    	No, I don't think so....the Cavs went to the next level...did the 
    	Nets???  I'm not saying that the Nets are that bad at all here
    	either.  The tradition is reporting the Cavs victory.  I just want
    	to make light that the Cavs are playing some very good ball right
    	now since picking up on the new coaching scheme.  I just remember
    	someone saying in here that the Cavs are nothing without their old
    	coach.....whats his name???
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    
    OH...How quickly they forget.  So you don't remember do you???
    
    Well we do here in Atlanta, where we have player and coach namesakes.
    
    The CZARs new coaching scheme...WEAR OUT THOSE TELESTRATORS...
    
    Actually, I'm glad for both teams.  See you in the Eastern Finals!
    
    Tony S:

Cavs lost to the Bulls in the Eastern semis last year (4-0? 4-1?) 

The Crazy Met

    
    	That was sick....wasn't it!
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    
    	Did I forget to mention that the Cavs won the other day?  Wellllll,
    	the Cavs beat up someone and have won 3 out of the last 4 games.
    
    	MARK PRICE - 3 pt king!
    
    	I honestly believe that Mark should have been named the games MVP
    	in the All-star game last weekend.  Too bad for Mark.  Great Game!
       
                     o
    		Go CaVs!

    
>    	Did I forget to mention that the Cavs won the other day?  Wellllll,
>    	the Cavs beat up someone and have won 3 out of the last 4 games.
 
    Yeah, the Cavs are starting to come together.  If they can keep
    everyone healthy, there will be very competitive come playoff time.
       
>    	MARK PRICE - 3 pt king!
    
    That was fun to watch - Price nailing shot after shot, and the
    reaction from Dana Barros.
    
>    	I honestly believe that Mark should have been named the games MVP
>    	in the All-star game last weekend.  Too bad for Mark.  Great Game!
    
    Great game, yes.  Best game, no.  I hate to admit it, but Scottie
    Pippen is proving to be a better player than I thought.  I honestly
    expected his shooting percentage to collapse w/o Jordan around, and
    for him to have troubles leading the Bulls.  He hasn't, and he really
    stepped forward during the all star game.  I wouldn't have argued
    with co-MVPs though... B^)
    
    Joe

	Ya know, I heard the same thing about Price being named the MVP
	of the All Star game.  I didn't watch the game.  (I think I was
	washing my hair that day.)  But a friend of mine said he really
	deserved it.  He thought Pippen was named the MVP just a few
	minutes into the game.

	Was this some kinda conspiracy?  Was there a "grassy knoll"?


	billl

Its gotta be said that Price had a great game(especially the shooting) but Pippen
had a magnificient game on defense AS WELL as offense......he was all over the
court and seemed to have everyone beat for fitness !!

Barry

    
    	Well, after not carring on the tradition for a couple of days.....
    The Cavs have now won 7 straight games and has closed the gap between
    them and 1st place.  Once 10 games back, the Cavs are now 7 games
    behind the Hawks who made a huge mistake trading Wilkins.  This move
    will cost them big wins later.
    	Nance was placed on the injured list two games ago and Brad has 
    been dealing with many health problems.  Branden was placed on the 
    injured list one game ago.  But, the Cavs keep comming up with the
    wins!
    	Last night, the Cavs beat the Bulls in Bulls stadium 89-81.
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    Hal, ya gotta stop jinxing your team like this.  Every time you post
    about their winning streak, they go out and lose.

    
    	I know but, I figure there is no way this time.....they play...
    
    			boston next.
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    Daugherty's out 4-6 weeks...
    

You're saying they're going to win, and my buddy is going into the Garden
to root the Cavs on.  They have NEVER won when he's there.

t

    good thing I just traded Daugherty too.

	T'anks Mike.

	Like I didn't feel bad enough having him on one fantasy team,
	I lose him on two fantasy teams! Grrrrr.

	Vinny

    yeah it's been rough.  I have Zo in another league, with Parish as a
    backup.  GGRRrrr!

    
    	The Cavs have continued their winning ways.  Larry Nance is back.
    The Cavs have now won 10 in a row and are 11 - 1 since the all-star
    break.  Had a scare yesterday when Mark Price went down after Pippen
    fell on his knee but less than a quarter later, Mark was back.  He did
    shoot very well but made up for it in assists.  The pre-game show was
    great as they refered to the Cavs as the M A S H unit of basketball.
    Good game though the Cavs couldn't put the Bulls away until late in the 
    game.  The Cavs were up by 10 when Price left the court.
    
                     o
    	Go	*C*A*V*S*
    
                

    
    	The Cavs win again as basketballs *M*A*S*H* unit ties a team record
    11 wins in a row.  Mark Price did not dress for the game because of his
    sore knee which was sat on by Pippen in Sundays game.  
    
                  o
    	GO   *C*A*V*S*

    Have the Cavs ever beaten the Suns this season?

    
    	Have the Suns ever won an NBA Title?  :*)
    
    Claybone

    no...  and neither have the cadavers
    Frank
    

    thanks guys.  I've been waiting a year to woof on him since he did it
    to me last year.

    
    	The Cavs *M*A*S*H* unit is still in trouble.  In the Suns game, the
    three All-stars (Nance, Price, Daugherty) did not play.  The makeshift
    lineup still played a good game.  Considering they only lost by 13....
    
    	The Cavs are having their problems.  Lots of people say the only 
    reason they went on the 11 game win streak was because of their
    compitition.  This is for the most part true.  But, inbetween all those
    bad teams were some good ones too.  I certainly would like to see
    anyones win streak only include teams with above 500 records.  So, an
    11 game win streak is impressive no mater who you play.  
    
    	Word is that Daugherty may be out for the season.  Not good news.
    
    	Not sure if the Cavs are happy with their standings right now or
    not.  They may be content.  I would rather the Cavs stay out of NY way
    until the Championship.  The Cavs would play well against Chicago and
    Atlanta and I would expect wins.  The NY - Cleveland matchup would be
    a battle to win.
    
    	re: .246
    
    		Big deal...the game ment nothing.  I don't remember woofing
    on you either.  Got any proof?
    
    
                o
    	Go *C*A*V*S*

>    	The Cavs *M*A*S*H* unit is still in trouble.  In the Suns game, the
>    three All-stars (Nance, Price, Daugherty) did not play.  The makeshift
>    lineup still played a good game.  Considering they only lost by 13....
    >
>    		Big deal...the game ment nothing.  I don't remember woofing
>    on you either.  Got any proof?
    
    It wasn't you Hal, it was Groaner.  Phoenix beat a healthy Cavs team by
    16 here in December.  Last year, the Cadavers swept the series since
    Barkley missed one game, and KJ the other, but I took it like a main.  

re: bad teams, good teams

One of the columnist in the NY Times was writing about Starks being
out for 6 weeks and returning just when the playoffs began. He suggested 
that the NBA was a league with a bunch of good teams and then a bunch of
pretty bad teams. With the exception of Eweing, the Knicks could therefore
lose any player for a number of weeks and still win 55-58 games. The playoffs
of course is another story.

The Crazy Met

    
    	I'll agree with that Crazy...
    
    	hw

    
    	The Cleveland *M*A*S*H* unit is still in deep trouble.  I would
    hate to think where this club would be if Mark Price were not healthy.
    Nance and Daugherty are still out along with Brandon and many others.
    The Cavs are just a mediocure team right now.  Their record is as is 
    should be.  Hope they get healthy real fast!
    
    	        o
    	Go *C*A*V*S*

 Atleast when they gag again in the playoffs Hal, you'll have the injuires
 to fall back on.............

 mike

From: clarinews@clarinet.com (AP)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.basketball,clari.news.interest.people
Subject: Chad Kinch Dies At 35 Of AIDS

	CARTERET, N.J. (AP) -- Chad Kinch, who played in the Final Four
for North Carolina-Charlotte in 1977 and was a No. 1 draft pick of
the Cleveland Cavaliers, has died of AIDS. He was 35.
	Kinch had been under hospice care for HIV, the virus that causes
AIDS, Henry James, funeral director of the James Funeral Home in
Perth Amboy, said Thursday. He died Sunday at home.
	Kinch starred at Perth Amboy High School before going to North
Carolina-Charlotte.
	In his freshman season, the 6-foot-4 guard started in the 1977
Final Four, sinking 21 of 23 free throws during the five NCAA
tournament games.
	The 49ers, the surprise team of the tournament, stunned Michigan
75-68 in the Mideast Regional final and lost to Marquette 51-49 in
the national semifinal on a last-second shot by Marquette's Jerome
Whitehead.
	Kinch averaged 15.3 points a game during his freshman season and
18.3 points a game for his career. He is the third-leading career
scorer at North Carolina-Charlotte.
	Kinch played in 29 games for the Cavaliers before being traded
to the Dallas Mavericks on Feb. 17, 1981. Kinch played in 12 games
for the Mavericks and didn't return to the club the following
season. He did not play in the NBA again.
	Kinch is survived by his wife, Kay Cagle-Kinch and a son,
Chadwick O. Kinch Jr. of Biscoe, N.C.; his parents, Raymond and
Pauline Kinch of Carteret; his sister, Arlene Kinch of Hightstown;
and his grandparents, Felix and Willie Bethel of Carteret.

    
    	Cavs *M*A*S*H* unit has locked up a playoff spot by winning their
    game yesterday.  Looks like they will be playing Orlando in the first
    round.  I think they have a good chance of winning this round.
                o
    	Go *C*A*V*S*

    
    	The Cavs lost to Atlanta again.  This makes the Cavs 1-3 against
    	Atlanta this year.
    
    		Will the Shak get slamed???
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

Cavs didn't just lose, they were massacred. They were down 25 before halftime.

The Crazy Met

    
    Just in case things were looking up for the Cavs, with Daugherty
    officially able to play, even if he can't, Hot Rod goes and injures
    his hand.  The Cavs have as many centers as the Bulls, you see;
    it's just that Daugherty, Hot Rod, and Guidinger can't play.
    
    With Tim Kempton our likely starting center, things are _not_
    looking good.
    
    Keeping my fingers crossed,
    
    Joe
    
    P.S.  The Cleveland Crunch won the indoor soccer league championship
          last night.  That is the first time in my lifetime a Cleveland
          team has won a championship; maybe the Cavs and Indians do
          have a chance after all... B^)

    
    Congrats on the Crunch, Joe.  I'm surprised Hal hasn't started a note
    yet.  How many coaches did they have?
    
    brews

    
    	Yep, what a drag, the *C*A*V*S* problems continue to build.  Still
    	ya gotta give them credit.  To play as well as they have without
    	their 2-3 punch, now Hot Rod goes down.  I was also holding some
    	hope that Brad would play sometime in the playoffs.  Maybe he will
    	come back....  I look for Mark Price to go crazy tonight trying to
    	make up for all this trouble.  We'll just have to see how these
    	youngsters do...Phills, Mills, Hill.  I think Danny Ferry better
    	pick up his game some also.
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    Hot ROd Williams is OUT of the play-offs... Injured thumb...
    
    REK

    
    Well, the Cavs season is over, and the breakup looks ready to begin.
    
    Without Daugherty, Nance, and Williams, the Cavs were clearly
    outmatched against the Bulls.  The series still should have gone to
    a fourth game, on the foul on Wilkins; it most likely wouldn't have
    mattered in the end.  I still think that the Cavs could have gotten
    past the Bulls on emotion had just Hot Rod been healthy; but he wasn't,
    and they didn't really come close.
    
    Speculation now is that the current group of Cavs, many of whom go
    back with the team to the mid-eighties, will be disbanded.  Daugherty's
    health will make him nearly impossible to deal, but Price and Hot Rod
    have some not insignificant value.  The remaining group - Hill,
    Brandon, Phills, and Mills principally - should be interesting to
    watch, but even with a Daugherty comeback they'll need some immediate
    help from any Price and Hot Rod deals if they expect to go anywhere
    soon.
    
    Joe

awful, awful, awful non-call at the end of regulation last night.
Wilkins was blatantly fouled. I mean it wasn't like Michael Jordan
or Scotty Pippen commited the foul and had to be protected.

/er do you see in this an NBA conspiracy for a Bulls repeat??

The Crazy Met

    Have the Cavs ever won an NBA Championship?
    Have the Cavs ever been to the NBA Championship?  Once?  Twice?
    
    "Cavalier - 1. haughty; disdainful.  2. Carefree and gay; offhand."
              - American Heritage Dictionary

    Wow if this isn't classic Cleveland....
    
    I read on the i'net that they named they're new basketball arena....
    
    Gunn Arena.....
    
    Sure sounds like a nasty, sexually transmitted disease.
    
    
    
    billl

    
>>    Gunn Arena.....
    
  actually it's the owner's last name. He's blind....

 feel better now that you know the details??


 ;^)

    
    It's _Gund_, not Gunn.
    
    Joe        

    MikeC,
    
    Are you trying to say that because the owner happens to be blind that
    the 'drippy' name is any less humorous?
    
    
    billl

 naw I wouldn't be saying that. besides Joe says I'm wrong anyways. I just
 think it's unusual for a blind guy to own a team. I was also hoping someone
 could fill me in how he made his loot.

 mike

He's not the Gund from the stuffed animal Gunds is he?

    Yeah I think he's the owner of the Gund Teddy Bears, etc., ad nauseum. 
    He's also blind.
    
    Larry Nance is announcing his retirement today.

>
>    Yeah I think he's the owner of the Gund Teddy Bears, etc., ad nauseum. 
>    He's also blind.
>    
 
Oh.

    
>    Larry Nance is announcing his retirement today.
    
    I have to say, I'm happy about this.  Nance can still play, and
    would be a useful backup, but couldn't be signed by Cleveland.
    A very quiet minor star, I've enjoyed having Nance on the Cavs.
    
    Joe

    forgot to mention that they gave Nance a coach's position in the
    organization.

    
>                        -< his best days were as a Sun >-
    
    Maybe.  He certainly aged well, though.
    
>    forgot to mention that they gave Nance a coach's position in the
>    organization.
    
    Great!  Nice to hear.
    
    Joe

    
    	Gerald Wilkins.....out for the season.  Now good news!
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    
    have the Cavs ever...

    no and they never will!

    
    Mike, I agree with you completely on that.
    
    Price would be a undersized at QB, and while Daugherty would make
    a rather intimidating tight end, with his back troubles I wouldn't
    be banking on him.
    
    Joe

    The addition of Michael Cage shored up the defensive line.
    
    NAZZ

    
    Yeah, but Hill gets whistled for too many penalties...

    they haven't won an NFL championship either...
    

    Sounds like Daugherty may have to retire too.  The Cavs radio announcer was
    interviewed here yesterday.  Brad has had 6 doctors' opinions: 3 say
    he needs surgery, 3 say he doesn't need it.  The ones that look to
    surgery say it's very delicate and he could be paralyzed from it.  And
    he's not getting any better...

    
    	Plan on him not playing.  Ya got to move on or else we'll never
    go anywhere.  So, it looks like Phills, Brandon, Ferry, Price and
    Williams this year.  A playoff team but no champion.
             o
    	Go CAVS!

>Ya got to move on or else we'll never go anywhere.  
    
    ...well at least you'll know it will be business as usual.

    
>                       -< have the Cavs gone ANYWHERE? >-
    
    Yes - you must have missed it.  They've gone from Richmond to
    Cleveland.
    
    Joe

    Like I said, you have to feel bad for this organization, I think
    theyve had worse luck then GS (IN terms of Injuries).
    
    Some people think the Knicks have been robbed and Phoenix look at
    these teams that didnt even get a remote shot due to injuries..
    
    I guess you cavs fans will be beside us bulls fans, right around the
    7th or 8th seedings :-(
    								mab

    They still have nightmares with Michael Jordan in them.

    
    The season's on, and the Cavs are playing well.
    
    Not great, certainly.  But well - 8-5 record, and some clear positives.
    
    This is no longer the team of the late 80s - early 90s, though.  That
    team won by shooting well, shooting threes well, shooting free
    throws well, not turning the ball over, and blocking shots.
    
    This team is winning by holding their opponents to 90 pts/games.  They
    still shoot threes well, and hold onto the ball, but otherwise the
    team is vastly different.  They're outrebounding their opponents
    significantly, which combined with few fouls or turnovers and an OK
    defensive FG% has been enough to win.
    
    This team is still a threat - if everyone who's currently healthy
    remains healthy, they could sneak past someone in the playoffs.  The
    key, though, is still the return of Daugherty.  If it happens, and
    he plays up to his ability, the team should be able to challenge for
    the Eastern conference (though clearly Orlando and New York would
    still be the teams to beat).  If it doesn't, it's hard to picture
    the team getting past the second round.
    
    Joe

    
    
    
         > .....That team won......
    
    
    What did they win?
    
    
    
    Chap

    
    >> .....That team won......
    
    
    > What did they win?
    
    Basketball games?
    
    Joe

    That team won the honor of being Michael Jordan's annual sacrificial lamb.

    Time to reflect on the misinformation on Paul Gronowski.  In addition
    to his false accusations of claiming that the Celtics are really the
    Clippers, examine these stats from the WWW NBA stats server in light of
    the reply below.  The NBA server is located at:
    
    http://www.mit.edu:8001/services/sis/NBA/all_time_records/shooting_leaders.html
    
================================================================================
Note 36.2383                      Phoenix Suns                      2383 of 2407
ROCK::GRONOWSKI "the dream is always the same..."     7 lines  15-DEC-1994 14:48
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    Ooohhh...  a meaningless stat... how about answering these?
    
    1) all-time leading FT percentage
    2) who has a higher 3pt fg pct?
    3) who won the 3 point contest 2 years straight?
    
     Highest Free Throw Percentage, Season
     Name                    Pct.    Season
     _______________________________________
     Calvin Murphy, Hou      958     1980-81
     Mark Price, Clev        948     1992-93
     Mark Price, Clev        947     1991-92
     Rick Barry, Hou         946     1978-79
     Ernie DiGregorio, Buff  945     1976-77
    
    Highest Three-Point Field Goal Percentage, Career
     Steve Kerr - .475
    
     Highest Three-Point Field Goal Percentage, Season
     Jon Sundvold, Mia -  .522 (1988-89)

    
    Um, Mike...
    
>    Time to reflect on the misinformation on Paul Gronowski.  In addition
>    to his false accusations of claiming that the Celtics are really the
>    Clippers, examine these stats from the WWW NBA stats server in light of
>    the reply below.  The NBA server is located at:
>    
>    http://www.mit.edu:8001/services/sis/NBA/all_time_records/shooting_leaders.html
>    
>================================================================================
>Note 36.2383                      Phoenix Suns                      2383 of 2407
>ROCK::GRONOWSKI "the dream is always the same..."     7 lines  15-DEC-1994 14:48
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    
>    Ooohhh...  a meaningless stat... how about answering these?
>    
>    1) all-time leading FT percentage
>    2) who has a higher 3pt fg pct?
>    3) who won the 3 point contest 2 years straight?
>    
>     Highest Free Throw Percentage, Season
>     Name                    Pct.    Season
>     _______________________________________
>     Calvin Murphy, Hou      958     1980-81
>     Mark Price, Clev        948     1992-93
>     Mark Price, Clev        947     1991-92
>     Rick Barry, Hou         946     1978-79
>     Ernie DiGregorio, Buff  945     1976-77
 
    Doesn't all-time leading imply career?  Which Price does currently
    hold...   
    
>    Highest Three-Point Field Goal Percentage, Career
>     Steve Kerr - .475
>    
>     Highest Three-Point Field Goal Percentage, Season
>     Jon Sundvold, Mia -  .522 (1988-89)
    
    Likewise, -higher- implies a choice of two - namely, in this
    case, Price & Johnson.
    
    Sorry, Mike, but the only way Paul's wrong on these three counts
    (to the best of my knowledge) is if you misinterpret what he's
    saying...
    
    Joe
       

>    1. All-time means all-time, not single season.
    
    Price is at .908 lifetime and in the lead, Rick Barry is .900.  Not
    much of a lead for an active player.
    
>    2. "Who has a higher 3pt fg pct"?  Still not answered.  Unrelated facts
>    presented to confuse the issue.
    
    Price is a better 3pt shooter.
    
>    3. "Who won the 3 point contest 2 years straight"?  No confirmation.
>    I figured you'd come up with some clever reply like Larry Bird.  Yes,
>    Bird won it atleast 2 straight years, probably more... but Price is
>    the defending champ and has won it the last two years.
    
    Guess again, Bird won it the first 3-4 years of the contest and remains
    undefeated in it.
    
    Since we're asking about stats that aren't absolutely critical...
    
    1. Who can slam dunk better, Price or KJ?
    2. Who is faster, Price or KJ?
    3. Whose team has won more conference titles?
    4. Whose team has been in the conference championship more times?
    5. Whose team has had the best NBA season record more times?

Watch out Mike, or you're gonna back outta the current exchange and into
arguing that the Suns' chokes. I mean, if'n the answer to the latest
queries is KJ, then how in the hail does he not have at least a couple of
rings.

TTom

    ...and based on your criteria, Craig Hodges is as good or better than Price.

    
> ...and based on your criteria, Craig Hodges is as good or better than Price.
    
    No again - Hodges matches Price in terms of three point contests won;
    _perhaps_ you could argue that he's a better 3-pt shooter (I'd
    disagree, but you could make the argument), but he's not the best FT
    shooter, using either Paul's (career) or your (season) criteria.
    
    Joe

    Joe, I was using Mr. Cleveland's brain-dead logic with respect to 3pt
    shooting.
    
    btw - are you sure you're from Cleveland?  You seem much more rational
    and logical than your 2 peers in here.

    
>    btw - are you sure you're from Cleveland?  You seem much more rational
>    and logical than your 2 peers in here.
    
    I'm not from Cleveland-proper; I'm from Cuyahoga Falls, OH, a suburb
    of Akron.  (For the geographically-challenged, it's about 40 minutes
    South of Cleveland.)  But, to be honest, the distinction's about as
    important to your typical New Englander as the distinction between
    Westboro and Boston might be to your typical Ohioan...
    
    Joe

    that's ok.  it's far enough for me to be convinced.

    
    	Mark Price is out for the next 6 - 8 weeks with a broken wrist....
    Took them almost two weeks to determine that there was a break....
    
    but still, the cavs have been winning.....last night.....the cavs D
    held Atlanta to just 68 points.
             o
    	Go CaVs!
    
    
    	

Great game by the Suns on Sunday; you did forget to mention it, right??

The Crazy Met

    
    Suns' starting 2 guard was out,also.  Heck, they were playing their
    second of back to back road games agaisnt a team among the leaders of
    its division, and won.  They oughta be happy, especially after what
    happened in NY.
    
    brews

    
    
       I think the key word was BEAT, Groaner.

    
>    Brews, Groaner knows Phoenix was missing their *STARTING* backcourt
>    last night.  He's just being his usual obtuse self.
    
    Actually, I'd bet he just missed that.  Easy enough to do, when even
    as a starter Person's 7th on the team in minutes/game...
    
    Still, I don't you can argue that Phoenix had the worse of the
    injury situation for last night's game.  Heck, the Cavs had a
    decent (if a bit short) team out of comission last night, in
    Daugherty, Mills, Wilkins, Price, and Brandon.
    
    Still, the Cavs are going to have to learn to win games with the
    guys they've got, and last night would have been as good a time
    as any to start.  B^(
    
    Joe

    
>    Does Ohio have *ANYONE* left in the tournament?!!
    
    1) No.
    
    2) That's not terribly surprising; given the seedings, none
       of the teams from Ohio was expected to be around at this
       point anyway.
    
    3) What in the world does this have to do with the Cavs?
    
    Joe

    
    
       I don't know the Might Cavaliers probably went up by about 15 and
    just coasted after that I'm sure!!

    
    
    
    			THUD....what was that?
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    		Sound the cadavers made against Celts last night !
    
    						Sharkski

    
    
    	I think you have to give the Cavs a lot of credit for their
    record this year. How many guys does Cleveland have on the IR
    list now? They must be close to max allowed by the NBA. And yet 
    they are still hanging in with a winning record this late in the
    year!
    
    	Compare them to Golden State (lottery) with all their injuries.
    Or to the Suns, who are tanking after losing just Manning.
    
    	Cleveland has had a successful season, considering the hand they've
    been dealt...
    
    JimH
    

I agree Jim.

Right now my choices for coach of the year are Del Harris of the Lakers
followed closely by Fritello.

Harris has his team in the middle of things in the big bad West and
Fritello gets the nod for the magic he's worked to keep Cleveland above
.500.

TTom

    -2, the Cavs are the 6th seed in the east and only 3 games up on 
    atlanta.  Now looking at the Cavs recent games and knowing there
    missing like 12 starters :-) and then looking at the bulls recent
    games and the return of jordan its not a huge assumption to assume
    the bulls will win the next 2 vs cleveland.  Atlanta has Indiana and
    Milwaukee for its next 2 opponents so the should close the gap to 2
    games behind with 7 games left.
    
    Doesnt look good for the Celtics, there 1.5 up on the 9th seeded Miami
    with Philly and Washington as there next 2 games... Looks like theyll
    make the playoffs... bummer...

    Hey look thru all the notes files, I wasnt in any notesfile from
    Mid December to Mid March (didnt even get to discuss NFL Playoffs
    and Superbowl let alone Basketball).
    
    But hey thats ok, all Bull Fans will be questioned about there
    loyalties especially in the notesfiles.  I personally always questioned
    Laker and 49er fans so I understand.  But the people who know me know.
    
    Hey the only Basketball Games I'll pay money to see are the Celtics VS
    DaBulls :-)
    
    So who matches up with Orlando Better Charlotte or Chicago ???

>    So who matches up with Orlando Better Charlotte or Chicago ???

Orlando is having some problems of their own. Penny is still out and more
recently, Nick Anderson suffered a concussion in the Detroit game.

At full strength, Orlando should beat both Charlotte and Chicago. That
doesn't mean they will. The Magic still have the burden of being swept
lasted year by the Pacers and have shown problems with concentration
before.

Right now, in terms of the Hornets, I'd rather see the Magic than
Michael. His return looks like a setup to boost TV ratings so I wouldn't
be at all surprised to see the Bulls in the finals. 

TTom

    YEs but if you look in the Celts/Nfl/Pats/Sports etc you will see that
    I disappeard from most SPORTS notesfile not just this one.
    
    And thats a Half Lie anyways, I was very active when the NBA Refs
    decided to STEAL the Eastern Conference away from the bulls and give
    Ewing a shot at a ring.  Bulls won that series only to have the refs
    take it away... But hey im sure when I get older my memory will fade
    as well....
    
    								mab

	Does Hal still work for this company?  Or is he just noting
	from Paul's account?


	billl

 Hal's still here but I think he changed jobs, certainly changed shifts so
 he may not have the time....

 ;^)

 
 MAir, like any other conference matters. Your duty is to this conference
 first and foremost......

 ;^)

>    And thats a Half Lie anyways, I was very active when the NBA Refs
>    decided to STEAL the Eastern Conference away from the bulls and give
>    Ewing a shot at a ring.  Bulls won that series only to have the refs
>    take it away... But hey im sure when I get older my memory will fade
>    as well....

Yeah just like in '93 when the Bulls hacked the piss out of Charles
Smith on those shot-blocks at the end of Game 5 and there was no call.
Get over it MairB, the Bulls DIDN'T get it done in Game7 either.
Despite playing the best ball of their careers, Pippen-Armstrong-Grant
weren't good enough.

    
>    That's how Clevelanders do it.  They disappear from all conferences and
>    make like they're working on EV5.
    
    Well, since some of us actually _do_...
    
    Joe

    A little bitter there Joe?  :*)
    
    If there was a foul. believe me, the refs woulda called it in NYC.
    
    
    Spud

    
>    A little bitter there Joe?  :*)
    
    Nah - just trying to point out that EV5 really _is_ why some
    Cleveland fans aren't in here as often as we (well, I at least)
    might otherwise be...

    Actually I meant Joe G. in .344
    
    
    Spud

 I've been working on EV5 for over 2 years too. It never stopped me from 
 getting in my chops........

 ;^)

    	
       Notice that this is one topic that Groaner didn't
      come anywhere near. Clevelanders must have really
      screwed up in a previous life to be so cruelly
      puncished.

    
>      Clevelanders must have really
>      screwed up in a previous life to be so cruelly
>      puncished.
    
    Nah - the problems of the sports teams are more than made up for
    by living in the best part of the country...
    
    Now, Cleveland sports fans living in the Boston area - I must
    have been one nasty joker last time around... B^)
    
    Joe

    Well I got to go on 2 buisness trips, 1 to cleveland the other to a
    small hole in the wall Mobil Oil New Jersey :-) and I'll tell ya what
    I enjoyed NJ more :-)
    								mab

    I love to start my morning off this way, even THINKING of comparing
    Cleveland to Boston as a sportstown is just plain ridiculous... BTW
    who's Clevelands Hockey Team.  The only thing funnier then this is
    when Cleveland Fans REACH WAY WAY BACK to before there was an NFL to
    druge up championships... I think the Celtics have like 12+
    Championships compared to Clevelands, let me guess 0.  Cant compare
    Hockey Championships obviously the bruins have more.  NFL
    Championships Well the pats have been to the NFL Superbowl Im not sure
    if the Browns have been or not.  And for some reason the Indians just
    dont seem to send fear into anyone hearts...

    
    re .356
    
     Therein lies the rub. We use championships as a measure of success 
    (BU - National College Hockey Champs the latest in a long line) and
     you use us as a measure of success. Nobody in Boston is proud when
     we finish better than Cleveland.

    -1, Thats a great point, Boston Sports Teams are so GREAT that other
    Citys/Teams use them as a measuring stick, IE if we finish better
    then Boston X Weve Done a great job :-) 
    
    Id Take today's Patriots/Celtics/Bruins over any of the Cleveland
    counterparts, I cant say anything about Baseball I have no Idea what
    division's redsox/Indian's even play in anymore... Still dont know
    the new Playoff format and so far havnt had to watch one single game
    or highlight show this year... 
    								mab

    
>    And for some reason the Indians just dont seem to send fear into 
>    anyone hearts...
    
    I take it then "anyone hearts" is _not_ an AL pitcher?
    
    The Indians are one of the best teams in the AL this year, clearly.
    About the only team that _might_ finish better is the Yankees.  
    Even so...
    
    Proposed personal name bet:
    
    I'll bet one week of personal names with anyone that the Indians
    will finish with a better record this year than the AL team of your
    choice (one bet per team, please).
    
    Joe

    Get some conhonas and bet that they'll win it all, best record overall
    mean NOTHING just ask last years Sonics...
    
    I dont know what teams are in the American League but I'll take the
    Yankees :-) seeing that you pointed them out :-)
    
    								MairB

    
>    Get some conhonas and bet that they'll win it all, best record overall
>    mean NOTHING just ask last years Sonics...
 
    In their first year in the playoffs?  It could happen, and I'm
    hoping it happens, but I'm not counting on it.
       
>    I dont know what teams are in the American League but I'll take the
>    Yankees :-) seeing that you pointed them out :-)
    
    OK, one down, 12 to go.
    
    Anyone bold enough to try the Red Sox?  B^)
    
    Joe

    Hey it doesnt matter who you LIKE when your BETTING, IM NO FOOL and as
    for BANDWAGON JUMPING Ive been a Bulls fan Since 86-87 I rooted them 
    thru 2 losses to the Dreaded Pistons and 4 years finally paid off with
    3 straight Championships.  Ive had the NODENAME Cbulls since I believe
    1989 and also had nodes MAIRB and CHIBUL before getting CBULLS.
    
    As for not rooting for the home team I got turned off from the celtics
    in HIGH school becuase people who couldnt spell basketball (Thats a 
    good one me talking about people not being able to spell) all walked
    around with either Celtics or Lakers SHIRTS on and most of them only
    knew BIRD/MAGIC and had no idea that there were 4 other startes let
    only players on the bench... I then starting fallowing Dominique and
    the Hawks and Jordan and the Bulls (I'll admit I LOVED the Bulls LOGO).
    
    Of course Im confused what NHL/NBL/NFL/MLB team last one a championship
    in Cleveland and Boston or are we talking about a FARCE SPORT
    
    								mab

    
    mab,
    
    He is talking about indoor soccer.
    
    Marc
    

    
    It looks like a good move; provided the "future considerations" aren't
    too bad...
    
    Joe

>    It looks like a good move; provided the "future considerations" aren't
>    too bad...

It's got to be something decent, 'cause the Cavs have so far received
Minor and a significantly better 2nd-round pick for just their 2nd-round
pick.

>> >    It looks like a good move; provided the "future considerations" aren't
>> >    too bad...

>> It's got to be something decent, 'cause the Cavs have so far received
>> Minor and a significantly better 2nd-round pick for just their 2nd-round
>> pick.

	Not necessarily ... this could be a salary dump, and a player dump
	that would "force" one of the expansion teams to take another
	player (can you say John Salley?) ... remember last year when
	Orlando sent Scott Skiles and a FIRST round draft pick to 
	Washington for a SECOND round pick? Just so they could open up
	a salary slot to sign Ho Grant ...

	BTW ... Miami also announced the signing of shooting guard 
	Predrag Danlivoc (sp), they picked up his rights (along with Billy 
	Owens) in the trade that sent Rony Seikaly to Golden State 

	Vinny

    
    for anyone wondering what Mike's talking about the Cavs traded Mark
    Price to Bullets for a 1st round draft pick in 96.
    
    Bullets might actually make some noise this year........
    
     

    Of course, neither was a mistake.  Both are now battered, bruised and
    beaten up PGs who have seen better days, especially Price.  I wonder
    whose #1 Washington traded to get Price, since their #1 went to Golden
    State in the Webber deal.
    
    NAZZ
    

Of course, KJ won as many titles in Phoenix that the Cavs won without
him.

And, of course, Price is going to a team, unlike KJ, that has actually
won the whole thangs, once at least, albeit so long ago that it don't
count for some...

TTom

    
    	No big deal that Price is gone.  Like everyone else says...he is 
    past his prime and the Cavs need to look to the future.  It may once
    again be painfull but it was also painfull to see the Bulls...I mean
    Jordon beat the Cavs every year in the playoffs.
    
    	Bye Mark.  Nice while it lasted....
    
    	But why are we talking basketball.......
    
    
    		ITS STILL BASEBALL SEASON IN CLEVELAND...SO...
    
    
    
    
    
    		R O C K   T H E   H O U S E   !   !   !
    
    
    

	>> At the Jake

	That must really pain you to affectionatly use that name.



	billl

    
    	heheheheheheh  funny you should say that.  Everytime I say it I
    	wonder why I feel strange saying it.....now I know.  Its Jake the
    	Fake who used a rake when he is on the take.  ;-)
    
    	WOOF!
    
    
    			ROCK THE HOUSE!
    

	Three notes created the same day nearly three years ago.

	One note, entitled CLEVELAND DAWGS, has 1905 replies.
	One note, entitled CLEVELAND INDIANS, has 1634 replies.
	One note, entitled CLEVELAND CAVS, has 389 replies.

	Talk about bandwagon jumping.

>    Forgot the decoder ring at home, please decipher .390 in English.
 

It says:

	YU ARE TOO BLAM!!!

Oh, sorry.  I thought you meant the RCASO decoder ring... :-)

    Don't the Cavs have a winning streak going.  That team has done more
    with ostensibly nothing than anyone lately.  I see Majerles minutes are
    in the 20s while the team is winning so assuming the coach is not a
    fool (despite what he looks like) I'd have to hold the jury out for
    awhile on Majerle.
    
    That other guard Pfeil(???) seems to have really come around.  McHale
    said the other day that winning in the nba for the majority of teams
    (with the lesser talent) is all about executing and avoiding mistakes.

I thought this season was a clever ply by the cadavers to get a lottery pick?

    
    
      Can't we all just get along.
    
    
    Chappy
    
    
    P.S. DJ a Supersonic!

    Oh what did I miss :-)  Has Cleveland ever won a championship ???
    
    Today's Standings Cleveland -17
                      Phoenix   -12
    
    Cleveland does have a better record but won't get thru rnd 1 this
    season.  Phoenix is currently the 8th seeded team in the west and
    would match up with Seattle.  Based on seattle's performance over
    that past few years this would be a Great Series (Anyone's game)
    
    A wee bit early to be talking about this but what the hey... When
    is Allstar Weekend (next week ?)
    
    								MaB

Based on "seattle's performance over the past few years" they'll quickly
and quietly exit outta the playoffs.

This will prolly be Seattle's last run where they're near the top. Payton
is the most likely to jump ship, rumored to be heading south to Miami,
Pat Riley and Zo.

TTom

    
>    Cleveland does have a better record but won't get thru rnd 1 this
>    season.
    
    I wouldn't bet on that; the Cavs don't have an awful team, and by the
    time of the playoffs Hill should be productive again.  I'm certainly
    not counting on them getting far, but getting to the 2nd round wouldn't
    shock me...
    
    Joe

      
    
     basketball ain't no sport Paul. :*)

    
    	Paul,
    
    		KJ will probably pull his groin during warmups. So he
    doesn't have to worry about facing Terrell. :^)
    
    Ron

    .428 not sure if you were joking or not but I bet I note'd more in
    the last 2 season then I have during this 39-3 Bulls span.. I don't
    get into basketball mode until after the SuperBowl and Ive now watched
    about 4 bulls games....  So me becoming more active in January has
    nothing to do with the BULLS Winning %, if the Superbowl wasnt until
    march Id be screwed :-)
    
    
    No MultiTasking Allowed (The wife things IM a fanatic If I watch more
    then 2 or 3 games per week).... Football season requires 3 games
    Minimum and thats if there are no Thu/Sat games .....
    
    								MaB

    Anyone know how bad the Suns trounced the Cavs?  Heck, with Ferry
    starting, I'm sure Phoenix put a real hurt on the Cavs.

    
    	Any score on the game this afternoon?????
    
    
    	Go Cavs!
    

    
    Hey Hal,  Knicks up 2-0......think they can win 2 in New York???
    
    I don't.......SWEEP!!!  
    
    /westy
    
    

    
    
       Hal watch day 1

    Hal works compressed. 'C' shift. He won't be in till Wednesday.

    
    Hals in!!   

    Grono, CAVS SIP!

    By "rebuilding" you seem to imply that they've ever won or even come 
    close to winning something. What might that be? I believe they've been
    trying to build something since their inception into the league. It's
    just taking them as long as the Indians. Give em another 35/40 years or 
    so and you should be right there. 
    
    4th best record in the east huh? Maybe Baltimore wants your basketball
    team too. 8>) How's the Baltimore Clowns sound to you?

    
    
    Hal watch ANOTHER day!!

    Hey, I'm right here Grono. Spoke to Hal this morning. Told him that
    people were askin about him. That we were tired of just pickin on
    you and that we needed the other half of the "Cleveland Clown" connection.
    He said he had more important stuff goin on than your EV56 stuff.   

    
    
    	Oh, come on now Bruce...I never said that............
    
    	Those EV56's are going to line my pocket one of these days...
    
    
    	Kevin,
    		The Cavs will win tonight....and make it three in a row.
    	The best defense in the league won't miss the bus tonight.  
    
    	The Cavs best years are behind them for now.....but....everyone 
    	has to admit, they did good this year with what they had!
    
    	The Cavs will beat the Knicks and then take care of da
    bullshitters!
    
                     o
    		Go CAVS!!!!!

    
    Go Knicks,  beat those Cavs,  Hal I'll be waiting for that coffee and
    a muffin after tonites victory.......
    
    /kevin
    

    Hal's buying today in the caf?

    
    
       Hal watch Day 1

    
    	No need to watch for me.....I think the Cavs played their hearts
    	out last night.  Nothing would go in the hoop for them in the first
    	half.  Great to see them come from 18 back to tie the game.
    
    	Didn't expect much this year anyway...to be in the playoffs was
    	a job well done!
    
    
    	Go Cavs!

    
    Hal, its a rebuilding year.  They weren't even expected to make the
    playoffs.  They'll be about many millions below the salary cap this
    offseason and can go after one of the big guys - Howard?  They have
    3 firsts this year, including a lottery first.  Next year they will
    be better...

    Yeah, they might even win a play-off game next year. 8>).

    
    Nice try Bruce... maybe the Celtics will make it back to the playoffs
    before the end of the century... doubtful, but there is a chance.

    Whose picks do the Cavs own besides their own?  Washington's I think is
    one, but who is the other?
    
    NAZZ

    
    Washington & Phoenix.
    
    Joe

    Touche. The Celtics certainly have a lot of work to do themselves.

    
    >> Hal, its a rebuilding year.  
    
       You should be used to it by now. They've never had anything
       else.

    
    The Phoenix pick is at Cleveland's option for this year or next.
    Cleveland will have to consider two things to determine which
    year to take the pick:
    
    Favoring taking this years pick is the depth of the draft.  Lots
    of quality underclassmen are in the draft.
    
    On the other side of the coin, where is Phoenix... will KJ and
    Barkley return.  If they start a rebuilding process, next years
    pick could be much more valuable.  Phoenix is done.  Its just a
    matter of time before they start rebuilding.
    
    My guess is that Cleveland will take this year's pick.
    
    The Washington pick will be around 10 and the other two in
    the upper teens.  They have loads of room under the salary
    cap.  They should be able to sign a major player via free
    agency *AND* probably will make a deal with those three 1st
    rounders to move up and get one great pick or two better
    picks.  Would I trade all three picks for one pick in the top
    3 - yes.  Can they do it, unknown.

Good thing I don't listen to experts because I had the Cavs picked to make the
playoffs. My guess is that if they sign a major free agent then they take the
Suns' pick this year to save cash. I'm in agreement with Paul that the Suns
are going to sink even farther next year, so the pick next year will be more
costly. If they don't sign anyone then I think they hold off for the better pick
next year.

mike

    Heard on ESPN at lunch that this was the 3rd time in 4 years that the
    CAV's have been SWEPT. I'm a little shocked that Grono and Hal did not
    mention this.

    I think the three picks are 12 (Wash.), 16 (Pho.) and 22 (Cle.).
    
    Not sure what the brass might do, but I'd take the Phoenix pick and
    try to package all three for a chance at Camby.
    
    NAZZ

>    I think the three picks are 12 (Wash.), 16 (Pho.) and 22 (Cle.).
>    
>    Not sure what the brass might do, but I'd take the Phoenix pick and
>    try to package all three for a chance at Camby.

Maybe, if you're more than a player away, but what's the impact of a 12/16/22
pick vs. a 1/2 pick?

1st or 2nd player is often a franchise player.  Once you get down, especially
at 16 or 22, don't they fall more in the category of "solid pro"?

If he declares I'd package the picks to move up and take Duncan. I think Duncan
is a better rebounder and post em' up player than Camby. Marcus is a fine player
but I agree with jerry West on this one in that Duncan will make the better
Pro.........

mike

If'n Tim Duncan declares, the whole sort of the draft just moves down.

More and more it looks like he's staying. The official word outta Wake,
as reported by the local media, is that they are not even planning
a_announcement about this issue and that Tim is continuing on course to
both graduate and be with the the team nexted year. He's said to be
actively involved with the off-season conditioning program and
concentrating on exams which are starting.

More when I hear more...

TTom

good for him!

their first pick is #12!  What's this lottery bs groaner's been talking 
about?  They'll be lucky if the guy is still on the team in 5 years.

    
>their first pick is #12!  What's this lottery bs groaner's been talking 
>about?  They'll be lucky if the guy is still on the team in 5 years.
    
    Their first pick (from Washington) _is_ a lottery pick.
    
    Joe

    
    Welcome to Mayberry RFD.

    
    Has Duncan announced whether he is staying in college or turning pro
    yet?
    
    I think this will be a deep draft will all the early entries. 
    Cleveland should that the first from Phoenix this year and rebuild.
    Sign one major free agent, package the 2 of the #1's to move up
    in the draft and go for it.
    

>    Has Duncan announced whether he is staying in college or turning pro
>    yet?

No, but Shareef Abdur-Rahim has.

If you think all of the underclassmen will pan out, this will be a deep
draft.  Of course, you should also be forced to repeat the words "Jerrod
Mustaf" 1000 times...  :-)

    
    The amount of players coming out this year will *hurt* next years
    draft.  I don't think the Cavs can hope the Suns fall far enough
    to not make the playoffs next year.  I also think Phoenix will 
    make their moves based partly on what the Cavs do.  If Cleveland
    takes the pick this year, Phoenix might make major moves with
    the possiblity of not making the playoffs and getting alottery
    pick next year.
    

    When is the actual draft ?  I don't see how cleveland can pass
    it up.  If they wait for next year, 1 Phoenix could have a Later
    pick then this year and, 2 with all the underclassman coming out
    early who will there be to draft ???
    
    So can someone recap what picks cleveland will have (Should they
    take phoenix's this year) #X, #y and #z ??? Thanks in advance...
    
    I wish Washington had there 1st pick but hey cleveland deserve's
    a break...
    
    								MaB

      next years draft will consist of more underclassmen...

Sportszone is reporting that Brad Daugherty is gonna retire from the NBA.

Daugherty, who's suffered from a back injury the lasted couple of years
says he was advised by ever doctor he went to to quit running and pursue
something other than basketball.

TTom

    
    Hello big time free agent.  Now Cleveland will be significantly under
    the salary cap - especially if they jettison Majerle.

    
       So they'll be in what their 28th rebuilding year this year?
      Seems like they have a little 100 year plan of their own -
      for their *1st* championship.

    
    No, the Cavs are on a 50 year rebuilding process.   The Celtics decided
    to take the 100 Year route after seeing how successful the Sox 100 year 
    plan was going.

Slumber Dan was offered a 3 yr. $10 mil deal by the Cavs.  He said he'd 
rather play for Phoenix at the minimum.

brews

    
    I'd rather see Slumber Dan in Phoenix at 3.3 mil per year.  Let him
    waste away on the setting Suns.

Sign 'im, trade 'im to the Suns, let 'em eat the 3.3 mil against their
cap.

TTom

Slumber said he'd not resign with the Cavs, become a FA, then resign wit hthe 
Suns at the minimum.

>Slumber said he'd not resign with the Cavs, become a FA, then resign wit hthe 
>Suns at the minimum.

I guess he's come to understand his value...

you mean he's not going to be the Celtics' Savior??? right color and all.....

    
    Newsgroups:
       rec.sport.basketball.pro
    
                       1996 N.B.A. Draft Prospects
    
                       Top 75 Of Eligible Players
    
              Centers
    
    1. Todd Fuller          6-11   255    Sr.   North Carolina State
    2. Steve Hamer          7-0    245    Sr.   Tennessee
    3. Priest Lauderdale    7-2    270          Greece
    4. Vitaly Potapenko     6-10   285    Jr.   Wright State
    5. Zydrunas Ilgauskas   7-1    240          Lithuania
    

>   Newsgroups:
>       rec.sport.basketball.pro
    
>                       1996 N.B.A. Draft Prospects
    
>                       Top 75 Of Eligible Players
    
>              Centers
    
>    1. Todd Fuller          6-11   255    Sr.   North Carolina State

Drafted 11th by Goldend State

>    2. Steve Hamer          7-0    245    Sr.   Tennessee

2nd Round pick by the Celtics

>    3. Priest Lauderdale    7-2    270          Greece

Drafted 28th by the Hawks

>    4. Vitaly Potapenko     6-10   285    Jr.   Wright State

Drafted 12th by the Cavs

>    5. Zydrunas Ilgauskas   7-1    240          Lithuania

Drafted 20th by the Cavs    


I guess one could draw two conclusions from the list:

1) The Cavs wasted their picks by over-reaching

2) The list has no merit, and shouldn't be used to
   justify a pick.

Mike

especially when they break them out by posistion. Throw in the guards and
forwards and 4th and 5th best center could be #74 and #75 overall....

It was an act of desperation to get big by a man suffering from LMS.....

mike

    
    The list had both guys in the top 30, not 74 and 75.

well then produce the list........

>    Cavs renounced the rights to Majerle yesterday.

A message apparently missed by the Suns...

While the Suns get one back that even the Cavs din't want...

Well yes, I've stated that afore so it aint exactly news.

So the burning issue is is Dunder going back to the Suns.

The previous string says yes. NO?

Wail, that settles it.

I thought from the previous string that his going back was a done deal.

My mistake.

TTom

    
    re: .505
    
    Right Mike, how did the Suns get West in the first place?
    

    1. Marcus Camby             F     Massachusetts
    2. Ray Allen               OG     Connecticut
    3. John Wallace             F     Syracuse
    4. Kerry Kittles           OG     Villanova
    5. Stephon Marbury         PG     Georgia Tech
    6. Lorenzen Wright         PF     Memphis
    7. Todd Fuller              C     North Carolina State
    8. Kobe Bryant             OG     Lower Merion High School
    9. Dontae' Jones           SF     Mississippi State
    10.Jerome Williams         SF     Georgetown
    11.Walter McCarty           F     Kentucky
    12.Steve Hamer              C     Tennessee
    13.Roy Rogers              PF     Alabama
    14.Othella Harrington      PF     Georgetown
    15.Priest Lauderdale        C     Greece
    16.Steve Nash              PG     Santa Clara
    17.Samaki Walker           PF     Louisville
    18.Vitaly Potapenko         C     Wright State
    19.Jason Sasser            SF     Texas Tech
    20.Ryan Minor              SF     Oklahoma
    21.Zydrunas Ilgauskas       C     Lithuania

    
       re .520
    
       What is that list anyways? Top 21 guys who will be dead by the
       time the Cavs win their first NBA title? 

>      What is that list anyways? Top 21 guys who will be dead by the
>      time the Cavs win their first NBA title? 

Guys who made the most money playing basketball last year...

    
    
    > Guys who made the most money playing basketball last year...
    
    
    
         I don't see any Corhuskers on that list. :-)

Come on Chappy, them huskers aint worth no corn in hoops.

Actually, considering the rankings, I thought billte had posted it.

TTom