Conference hbahba::cam_sports

    
    	In 1971, Russell Thompson scored 25 points as Birmingham Southern
    	State College defeated Florence State 55-46.  What was unusual
    	about how Thompson scored?

    
       25 free throws.

    Please do the mods and CAM3 a favor and post the answers behind a form
    feed in the same reply as a question.  That will help cut down on the
    numbers of guesses added here as replies.
    
    If you don't want to post the answer right away, I suggest that guesses
    be sent via MAIL to the person posting the question.

    What famous baseball player shot the first volley, at the enemy, in a
    war, on behalf of the United States of America?


    
    (Answer follows form feed)
    

    Abner Doubleday shot back at the CSA at Fort Sumpter (sp?), making him 
    the first Union Soldier to shoot at the south...

fyi: for those of us using non-VT type interfaces - things like
windows and xnotes a form feed does not help.

The Crazy Met

      Claybroon,  could it be that his shots were underhanded "granny"???
    
    
       Tim

    
    	Give Mr. Brydie a ceeeeegar!  
    
    	Will do Mac, but what about TCM's little problem?
    
    Claybroon

    Claybroon, he's just a Mets' fan and a technoweenie at that.  Let him
    figure it out.

Hey, Yoseff, you're welcome to an account on a VMS machine, from which you can
use character-cell notes like the rest of us!

Jeff,

I sincerely thank you for the offer. However, since I already have accounts
on VMSmachine there is no need to trouble you for another one. Once again
thank you for being willing to help out.

The Crazy Met

Jeff, the great thing about freedom of spech is it entitles you to state
the opinion in .13, even though it is wrong.

The Crazy Met

YOu can NEVER have enough ACCOUNTS period.   Kind of
like sex, too much is never enough......

    'Saw agree with you 100%, as long as it is on the right systems.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

>    'Saw agree with you 100%, as long as it is on the right systems.
    

That's just it.  There is NO kind of right system, just situations where
one system is better, perhaps than the others.

I'm finding nowadays that it's going to be awfully important to be conversant
in a few different systems.....


'Saw

    Sorry but following along with the analogies,  This door swings ONE
    way!
    
    Standing firm, I remain,
    a straight kinda guy!
    Kev
    

>
>    Sorry but following along with the analogies,  This door swings ONE
>    way!
>    
>    Standing firm, I remain,
>    a straight kinda guy!
>    Kev


Oh, I guess I missed TCM's analogy about the "right system".  I thought
he was being serious about computers again.  I know I was.

Yeah, Kev, when it comes to the other thing I cain't get enough of, I
only go one way also....


'Saw


PS We'd better get back to SPORTS Trivia before Mac moves da notes 8^)
    

The only right system is an open system.  What that means is that if a customer
has a package or a piece of hardware they want to use (well, a popular one -
not some obscure piece of junk) it should plug into your system.  And it should
play nice with other systems, regardless of operating system.

In a way, I'd like to see Windows NT become as popular as projected, from the
desktop client to the mainframe server.  Then operating system would become a
commodity and we could move on to much more important issues.

j.

    Yea j.,
    What you said was not trivial so you can move your note!!
    
    8^)
    MikeL
    

'Saw

Needle and I are both OS "bigots"in the sense that given a choice we
know what we would rather work on. But both of us are perfectly happy
to sell and recommend whatever will get us the business.  So you
didn't see any :-), but both Jeff and I knew exactly where the other
one stood.

The Crazy Met

>'Saw
>
>Needle and I are both OS "bigots"in the sense that given a choice we
>know what we would rather work on. But both of us are perfectly happy
>to sell and recommend whatever will get us the business.  So you
>didn't see any :-), but both Jeff and I knew exactly where the other
>one stood.

Yeah, I figured that might be the case.....  Actually, I get quite
the kick out of it......


'Saw

>                     -< My O/S is bigger than yours :-). >-


You finally are talking about something TRIVIAL....8^)

                                                    ^
                                                    |  That's a smilie,
						       because I know you're
                                                       a MOD and I know you
                                                       don't know what that
                                                       is........

    
    	Hey!  You technoweenies quit trashin' my note! 
    
    	Sorry I missed yesterday.  Didn't really matter cuz it wasn't
    	a question.  I think either Dr. M or Schneider wrote this
    	for yesterday.  Enjoy and take the impending rathole elsewhere!
    
    		"Russell's Celtics almost always won the NBA title, but
    		 not because Russell outplayed Wilt.  They mey 142 times,
    		 the results:
                                    PPG     REBOUNDS
    			Russell     14.5       23.7
    		      Chamberlain   28.7       28.7  "
    
    Claybroon

    
    	I'm not gonna enter one today cuz it's not a question plus
    	it's lame.
    
    Claybroon

    
    >		"Russell's Celtics almost always won the NBA title, but
    >		 not because Russell outplayed Wilt.  They mey 142 times,
    >		 the results:
    >                                PPG     REBOUNDS
    >			Russell     14.5       23.7
    >		      Chamberlain   28.7       28.7  "
    
    Already been acknowledged.  Overall playoff stats are much closer, and
    no one has yet produced the head-to-head playoff numbers, knowing full
    well that some mysterious "disappearances" in these games hurt Wilt...
    
    glenn
    
    

    Re:26 Posting only 2 stats mean SQUAT! Please add assits,blocks 
    everything else..
    
    REK

    
    No chit cherlock, this is for real!
    
    The trivia question of the day - 
    
    Name the DEC employee who was a member of the St. John's University
    basketball team during LOUIEEE's first year.
    
    
    I remain,
    convinced my job has it's advantages!
    Kev
    

>    Name the DEC employee who was a member of the St. John's University
>    basketball team during LOUIEEE's first year.

    
    
     For the baseball fan that has everything, Leland's, the New York
    sports memorabilia house, will auction off the official document
    that sent Babe Ruth from the Red Sox to the Yankees in 1919. Bid-
    ding begins at $25,000 on Feb. 20.

    
    re. REK
    
    	NO!
    
    Claybroon
    
    	Today's question ( I know a little late for you EST'ers)
    
    	"In 1936 I KO'd Phil Johnson in a heavyweight fight, then 14
    	 years later I KO'd his son, Harold.  In 1953 I lost a heavy-
    	 weight title fight.  Name me"
    
	 Jersey Joe Walcott

    Thanks, Mike.  I completely missed the answer when I read Claybroon's
    posting.

    My guess is
    
    Jersey Joe Walcott
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Ah, my brain cells are dull today. Now if ya hadn't instituted
    that dumb form feed rule ( which I plumb forgot about and
    instinctively replied wifout seeing all a 'bone's note), I'd gotten
    the answer. What kind a fun is a trivia note if the originator
    gots to put it in a form feed?? 
    
    And I know the answer so no smartmouf replies! 8^)
    
    MikeL
    

    
    >>the answer. What kind a fun is a trivia note if the originator
    >>gots to put it in a form feed?? 
    
    The rule maker fer this probably woulda stopped ya from pulling the
    legs off of Daddy Long-Legger spiders, and watching the legs twitch
    all around, if'n he had been there during childhood.  Takes all the fun
    out of it, ya'know????
    
    
    Many (8^)*'s
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Saturday's:	 In 1945 we win the NFL title, beating Washington.  The
    		 next year we move to a new city.  In 1951 we beat 
    	 	 Cleveland for the title.  Name us.
    
	    	 The Cleveland Rams moved to LA
    
    Sunday's:	 I was 39-96 with the Red Sox, but when I went to the
    		 Yanks I was 234-129, which was good enough to get  me
    		 into the HoF in 1967.  Who am I?
    
		 Red Ruffing
    
    Today's:	 I won the Triple Crown aboard Affirmed in 1978, then
    		 went on to lose 110 races in a row.  Who am I?
    
		 Steve Cauthen

    
    Wednesday:	Name the Western lawmaker who was the timekeeper when
    		Corbett beat John L. for the heavyweight crown in 1892.
    
    
		Bat Masterson
    
    Thursday:	Playing for Villanova in 1949, I score 85 points in a
    		game against the Philadelphia Naval air Command then go
    		on to lead the NBA in scoring twice.  Who am I?
    
    
    		Paul Arizin
    
    Today's:	Three NFL players have scored six touchdowns in a game.
    		Which one is not in the Hall of Fame?
    
    
    		Dub Jones.  Nevers and Sayers are in the Hall.

    The fullname of Orlando's center is Shaquille Rashaun O'Neal.  The
    first and middle names are of Islamic descent.  What are their
    translations?  (answer below)
    
    BTW - Shaq has a size 20EEE shoe!
    
    
    Shaquille = "Little One"
    Rashaun   = "Warrior"

    Yeah and those muslim names are really stopping his competitive spirit
    and clearly doom him to not being a class act.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

Re: -1

Yea, it will clearly prevent him from beign as athletic as he would be as a 
Christian.  "THEY" will definitely prevent that... (oh, is he one of THEM [a 
non-Christian that is].

=Bob=

    Bob,
    
    All this them and us is really confusing me, could you try and
    explain it to us folks who are just a little slow in comprehending the
    goobley goo that has been coming across the ::SPORTS wire. I thank
    you in advance.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    I didn't see any US vs THEM in this recent string of replies until
    TCM's little jab.

    
    I guess Mac still hasn't seen 89.14,.23,.24,.25. Especially .25. In
    muscial terms this is called variations on a theme. See that theme
    needs to stop and it seems that the way to do that is have people
    respond.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

re: .47

Sorry for the delayed response.

It's not an US and THEM thing.  In fact in this instance, include me out of the 
US.

You see, a certain noter (cited below) seems to beleive that only a certain 
type of athlete is allowed to "exerecise their competitive natures and 
athleticism".  The note also refers to other groups as "them" in the form of
"they".  The logical conclusion is that in this noters mind, only those athletes
in the group he recognizes (ok, it's a religious group) are allowed by their 
religion to reach their full potential.  My conclusion was that, based on this 
logic, before we determined if Shaquile O'Neal will reach his full potential, 
we needed to determine if he had this religious affiliation, or if he was one 
of "them".

This is truley the type of thinking I hope I can protect my family from.

=Bob=

BTW - that scream you all heard at 9-FEB-1993 14:59 was me.  I was in the 
      process of entering something on the spot, but my workstation crashed.
      With the perspective of overnight, I decided not to enter anything 
      yesterday, but now I feel it my duty.


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    Even if they allowed their people to exercise their competitive natures
    and athleticism, I would still doubt it.
    
    Arthur Ashe was definitely a one-of-a-kind with strong personal values.

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>    It's also not necessary to ignore aspects that made his character
>    great.

Wouldn't those same aspects have been there if he was a Jew, a Hindu,
a Buddhist, a Muslim, or any of a host of other religions I've forgotten
to mention?


'Saw


                

 US and THEM....

 ummm hhh  let me see....

 oh yeah

 Pink Floyd   Dark Side of the Moon second cut on the second side....

    Hey Mike, I thought of that yesterday whilst reading all of the "Us and
    THEM" comments, but considered it too tasteful fer me to deal wif.
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Yesterday's:  an 8th round Redskin's pick in 1969, I was in danger of
    		  being cut because I seemed to hesitate before hitting the
    		  line.  Then coach Lombardi found out tht I was deaf in
    		  one ear.  With a hearing aid in my helmet, I went on to
    		  twice lead the NFL in rushing.  Who am I?
    
    
    		  My all time favorite running back, Larry Brown.

    
    	Buck Shaw's Eagles defeated Vince Lombardi's Packers for the
    	NFL title in 1960.  Why is this significant?
    
    
    	Cuz I said so!  No, wait a minute, it's cuz it's the only
    	time Lombardi lost a playoff game (his record was 9-1).
    
    Claybroon

    
    Feb. 19
    
    	Name the fourlinemen who made up the "Steel Curtain"
    
    
    
    	"Mean" Joe Greene, Dwight White, L.C. Greenwood, and Ernie
    	Holmes
    
    	Name the best looking SPORTS noter (Hint: he has a birthday
    	today :^)  )
    
	What?  You have to be told? :*)

      Happy B-day Claybroon!  rumor around here is that your at the
    retirement age today!!
    
    
      Many smilies
    
    
      Tim

    
    	Watch it Timothy.  I'll get my cain and whup you wif it!
    
    	...if I can find my glasses...

>    	...if I can find my glasses...


Hey, don't be makin glasses jokes!


Happy B-day Claybroon.  I'll raise a glass for ya tonight!


8^)

    Set mode/voice=Fred_Rogers
    
    "Cain you say, 'Old Fart', I thought you could."
    
    Happy B-Day Claybroon, gonna run around in your birthday suit with the
    Mrs. tonight????
    
    Schnortt Schitt Schlepps
    
    JaKe
    

    	It's good to have somebody else getting old in here.  Happy
    birthday...
    
    				/Don

    Happy Birthday 'Bone,
    You get to buy me two beers in Colraddy. Hope yo' better half gives
    you enuf money.
    
    MikeL
    

Cool. It's my wife's b-day too. I suppose I should go get a card now...

Metz

    
    	That's alright Metz.  No need to buy me a card.  ;^)
    
    	Root beer is cheap Leary.  I cain cover it.
    
    Saturday's:  1952 - Gus Bodnar, Blackhawks wing, had three assists
    		 in 21 seconds against the Rangers, an NHL record.  What
    		 was the important story about the game?
    
    
    		 Bodnar's assists were on Bill Mosienko's hat trick.
    
    Sunday's:	 Rose edged Cobb 10-9 for 200-hit seasons and had 65 more
    		 hits, but if Cobb played in 162 game seasons he would have
    		 remained #1. 
    
    Today's:	 Rose had the most 200-hit seaons (10).  I had 6 but if I
    		 had played in 162 game seaons I could have easily had four
    		 more.  Who am I?
    
    
    		 Stan Musial.  
    
    	I think the guy who did this calendar hates Pete Rose.....
    
    Claybroon

>    		 Bodnar's assists were on Bill Mosienko's hat trick.
    
And a few years later, Mosienko disappeared on a hunting trip or something.
I forget how, but he was never seen again......


'Saw

    Which city has experienced more rainfall thus far this year, Phoenix or
    Seattle?
    
    {Hint: the same city will beat the other in the NBA's Western Conf. finals}

    
    Friday:	In a 24 year career I hold many records, but being the
    		outfielder who committed the most errors (271) is not
    		something I like mentioned.  Iwas not invited to the
    		"Field of Dreams".  Who am I?
    
    
    		Ty Cobb
    
    Saturday:	What NHL line was nicknamed the "Long Island Power
    		Company"?
    
    
    		Trottier, Gilles and Bossy, NY Islanders
    
    Sunday:	NFL Title Game - 1933.  The Bears beat the Giants, 23-
    		21.  Twice the Bears fullback faked a plunge into the
    		line, stepped back, and tossed two TD passes. Name the
    		player.
    
    
    		Bronco Nagurski
    
    Today:	Billy Coutu of the Boston Bruins got so incensed during
    		the 1927 Stanley Cup finals that he assaulted referee
    		Jerry Laflamme.  He was suspended for life, the only
    		player ever to suffer such punishment.

Here's one:

"I'm a famous #32, but when I first came into the pros, I
wore another number.  Who am I, and what number did I 
wear?"


JD

    
    	It's not nice to put in a question without the answer behind
    	a formfeed! :*)

    Don Sweeney?
    

    
    	This date - 1962.  Even though Richie Guerin, Cleveland Buckner,
    	and Willie Naulls each score over 30 points, the Knicks lose to
    	the Warriors. Name the game's high scorer.
    
    
    	Wilt with 100

    	Speakin' of Wilt, I read where he went public with a restaurant
    he owned and it did a Wall Street record nosedive.  The stock did
    as well as ol' Wilt did against Bill Russell in a playoff game.
    
    				/Don

    It's March now, you don't have to bash Wilt anymore...
    

    >> The stock did
    >> as well as ol' Wilt did against Bill Russell in a playoff game.
   	
    	I remember him doing quite well actually.

    
    	In my first year as head coach at Michigan in 1948 we won all
    	nine games to capture the #1 ranking (football I assume).  Who
    	am I?
    
    
    	Bennie Oosterbaan

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>>    	In my first year as head coach at Michigan in 1948 we won all
>>    	nine games to capture the #1 ranking (football I assume).  Who
>>    	am I?
    
    
    An aberration?
    
    8^)
    MikeL
    

    
    	So sacred were the Olympics in ancient times that wars were
    	suspended while the Games were on.  In this century, the
    	Olympics were suspended during World Wars I and II.

      Germany?

    
    	A lot of the tidbits on my calendar aren't questions Leary!
    	Leave me alone or I'll buy you "Buckhorn" beer when you
    	get here!
    
    Claybroon

>    	A lot of the tidbits on my calendar aren't questions Leary!
>    	Leave me alone or I'll buy you "Buckhorn" beer when you
>    	get here!
    
The Buckhorn is a really good truck stop on I-80 in Penn-syl-vane-eye-eh.

I didn't know they made beer too......

    Why I'm hurt 'Bone,
    Ah thought you might offer me a real Bama type beer like
    MobileBobcatPi**.
    
    

    
    	Actually, I was thinking about something along the lines of "JAX".
    	It's a good ole southern swill.......(PATOOEY!)
    
    	And now for today's astonishing factoid:
    
    	In 1956 the Syracuse Nationals defeated the St. Louis Hawks,
    	97-92, even though Dick Farley of the Nats fouled out in only
    	5 minutes of action.
    
    	Who?
    
    Claybroon

    You remember, Claybroon, Dick Farley.
    
    He's Ole Man Farley's kid.
    
    Lee

    since his name was mentioned recently...
    
    What sport was Lou Gehrig an all-america in college?
    
    
    
    
    
    	All American Soccer Goalie at Columbia

    Pheeeew!  I was afraid it was Rugby.
    
    :*)
    
    lEe

    Shoulda put this in yesterday.
    
    What two significant events occurred on May 6 in Sprots?
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    1915 - Babe Ruth hit his very first Major League homer.
    
    1954(?) - Roger Bannister ran the very first sub-4 minute mile.
    
    Lee (No, I wasn't around for both of them, but I do remember
    	 Bannisters)

	Another thing for May 6, 1954........


	A VERY pregnant woman had to leave Forbes Field before the Pirate 
	game was over because she thought she was going into labor.  But
	the cause of her discomfort decided to hang on for another two days.


	billl

        >> Another thing for May 6, 1954........

   
  	>> A VERY pregnant woman had to leave Forbes Field before the Pirate 
	>> game was over because she thought she was going into labor.  But
	>> the cause of her discomfort decided to hang on for another two days.
    
           An addendum: The child she bore later grew up to be a disgruntled
           Postal worker who shot and killed three co-workers and wounded
           six others.

    Oh what a night...
    
    Early May back in 54...
    thought she gonna go into labor
    but it really turned out to be a bore...
    What a lady what a night...
    

Walt you just butchered one of my favorite songs. Shame on you!

The Crazy Met

I didn't even know her name ...

    Both the Suns and Bulls use the same instrumental music for the pre-game
    player introductions.  Name the piece and the artist.  Partial credit
    for the album name.

    
      You're a galldang lost cause, Heiser!!!!

    
      If I remember correctly, it's "Right Now" by Van Halen.

	Could it be "Bring out the Clowns"????



	billl

    HINT: The Kentucky Wildcats do it to the same tune.

    Please see .5.

    Ok for those that haven't guessed it by now:
    
    "Sirius" - Alan Parson Project from the album "Eye in the Sky."

    "To Sir With Love", by Lulu (and covered superbly by Lou Miami & the
    Kosmetix"?
    
    Mark.

    Deutschland Ubber ALles?  
    
    
    JD

    
    PT109 ??????
    

    A member of the Bulls holds the record for most rebounds in a game by a
    Suns' opponent.  Name him and the number of boards.  HINT: he played in 
    the era of Bob Love, Chet Walker, Jerry Sloan, and Clifford Ray.
    
    Tom Boerwinkle - 38

      The Kentucky wildcats do it to the music of Allan Parsons?  Does
    Operha or Geraldo know this?
    
      Tim

    What four ML baseball teams have never had a batting champ?
    
    (not including this years expansion entries)

    Mets are definitley one. Cleon Jones came close in 1969, Magadan in
    1990 or 1991.
    
    Other 3 that seem very likely are Montreal, Toronto, and Seattle.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    	Didn't Edgar Martinez win it for Seattle lasted year?
    
    Claybone

    Montreal, Toronto and Texas?

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    Please do the mods and CAM3 a favor and post the answers behind a form
    feed in the same reply as a question.  That will help cut down on the
    numbers of guesses added here as replies.
    
    If you don't want to post the answer right away, I suggest that guesses
    be sent via MAIL to the person posting the question.

>    Please do the mods and CAM3 a favor and post the answers behind a form
>    feed in the same reply as a question.  That will help cut down on the
>    numbers of guesses added here as replies.
    
We don't have a problem on CAM3.  Things are great here now....8^)
We've even got a few hired hands on our disk farm.  


If you're using EVE/TPU us CTRL/V-CTRL/L to do a FF....


'Saw

    Ok a serious question....
    
    Dave Winfield hit into his 299th double play lasted week...
    Only 3 players have hit into over 300 DP's....
    
    Name them...
    
    
    REK

	I seem to recall hearing this one before.  I think one of them is 
	either Don Clendenon or Dick Stuart.


	billl

    Jim Rice and Ralph Kiner?
    

Hank Aaron and Carl Yaz?

    I heard this on the radio this morning, but they didn't give the
    answer.  
    
    Babe Ruth actually pitched 5 games for the Yankees.  How many did he
    win?
    
    
    Conan
    

    Bingo...
    
    Arron, Yaz and Rice are the three....
    
    REK

    Once again a friendly reminder to please read 85.5.

    Figures that two of them were Sox.
    
    Lee

    Ok,  this is a coule of days late, but here goes:
    
    On June 29, 1937, Rip Collins of the Chicago Cubs played first base. 
    What was unique about his game that day?????
    
    
    As a first baseman, he played the complete game and had no putouts, and
    no assists.  Has this been done since???
    
    

    re: .120
    
    Yeah I think Dave Magadan did it a few years back.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    In 1976 a shortstop played both full games of a DOUBLEHEADER and
    made no fielding plays - name him..
    
    Cain't figure the form feed thing out so I'll put the answer in the
    nexted reply.
    
    Murph
    

    Toby Harrah, Texas Rangers.
    
    M
    

    "<Ctrl key>" and "L" at the same time should spew forth a small
    FF, which is interpreted as a page break...
    
    Should work.

>    "<Ctrl key>" and "L" at the same time should spew forth a small
>    FF, which is interpreted as a page break...
>    
>    Should work.


If you happen to be using the EVE editor, you have to preface it with
a CTRL/V, which tells the editor you want to enter a special sequence.

I forget what it is in EDT.....


'Saw

    There are 7 ways to reach 1b with getting a hit...
    
    What are they?
    
    REK
    
    No form feed, no help... :-}

    
    1. BB
    2. HBP
    3. E
    4. CATCHER INTERFERENCE
    5. CATCHER DROPS THIRD STRIKE
    6. FIELDERS CHOICE
    7. 1B MAN INTERFERENCE ??????????
    
    Chappy

    
    >There are 7 ways to reach 1b with getting a hit...
    
    1. Homerun
    2. Triple
    3. Double
    4. Single
    
    Sorry there are only 4 that I know of 8^)
    
    Marc
    

    7th is ball hitting runner with less than 2 out.
    
    Here's one and believe it or not I was at the game where a hall of
    famer had a chance to do this:
    
    What is minimum number of runs to be scored in an inning where same
    player makes all three outs?
    
    
    
    
    
    13  (9 + 9 + 1 - 3 - 2 - 1)
    
    9 for first batting around
    9 for second "
    1 batter who has made two outs bats for 3rd time
    3 men on base
    2 his previous two outs
    1 his 3rd out of inning
    
    40 years ago at Fenway in the 7th inning against tigers 17 runs were
    scored and while Gene Stephens set a famous trivia record of 3 hits my
    favorite, George Kell, had made the only outs in his previous two at
    bats before doubling off the wall ruining his chance for one record
    that would never have been equaled: 3 outs same player.
    
    my brother and I took my mother to the game since it was ladies day and
    kids accompanied by an adult female got in for 50 cents.
    
    Now watch glenn look this up and tell me my recollection is somehow
    incorrect....:-)
    
    ol'  Bill

    
    > Now watch glenn look this up and tell me my recollection is somehow
    > incorrect....:-)
      
    Absolutely not.  That was a very famous inning in a very famous game, 
    the biggest inning in baseball history.  You couldn't forget it if you
    wanted to.  I just had no idea you were *that* old, Bill ('course you 
    didn't tell us how old a "kid" you were!).
    
    ;-)
    
    glenn
    

    
    answer below for getting to 1B with-out getting a hit..
    
    1. BB
    2. HBP
    3. Catcher Interference
    4. pass ball on third strike
    5. Error 
    6. Fielder Choice
    7. Pinch runner
    8. Umpire Interference?
    
    REK

    2 more GREAT baseball questions...
    
    Only one player has made the all-star team from each Major league
    division AL east West, NL east West.... Who is he?
    
    Only 2 players have hit 40 or more Homeruns in 3 different decades
    and they did it in the same decades? One AL and one NL...
    
    REK

how many hits can a team have in one inning without scoring a run??

The Crazy Met

    .133  Aaron and Killebrew
    
    .134  6 (obviously?)
    
    Who played in world series, rose bowl, all star game? (old chestnut)
    
    
    So who played in world series, all star game and big ten champion as
    all america (for Indiana - what a hint); and why not in rose bowl, he
    wasn't injured and it wasn't two consecutives (for indiana? your
    dreaming)?
    
    
    
    Ted Kluszewski for 45 wartime team for which rose bowl was cancelled
    
    And after having to spell shoendienst and kluszewski in one session its
    time for lunch

    Aaron and Killebrew are corect....
    
    REK

      
    
    
   >  how many hits can a team have in one inning without scoring a run?? 
    
       6
    
    Jerry

    .133 - Eck? Not sure if he played on an NL West team.
    Murph
    

    yup 6 is correct.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Not Eck... This pitcher is still active.... The
    teams.... NNY, Chi Sox, Pits and San Diego.....
    
    REK

	Rich Gossage

    You are correct... The gooser is the one...
    
    REK

    
    	Vida Blue whiffed 301 batters in '71 yet didn't lead the majors
    	in strikeouts.  Who did (with 308 strikeouts)?
    
    
    	Mickey Lolich

Mickey Lolich??

The Crazy Met

    Mickey Lolich struck out over 2500 batters... not bad for a lefty...

    	Lolich had the muscle tone of a summo 'rassler.  My kind of
    athlete!
    
    				/Don

    Who's jersey do you think they gave Aurelio Lopez?  Probably the only
    XL they had... surprised Fielder ain't wearing it...
    

    Mickey Lolich, Mr. Clutch of the 1968 WS.  He didn't win 30 that year,
    but he won 3 in the Series.
    
    Lee

    
    	In his rookie season (1967) he was a complete bust.  In 118
    	at bats he batted .178 with one homer.  He went on to lead
    	the AL in homers 4 times.  Who is he?
    
    
	Reggie Jackson

Name the 4 20 game winners for the '69 Orioles.

    
    McNally
    Cuellar
    Palmer
    Dobson (sp?)
    
    Roland

    nope, dats dem.

    But I'm not sure what it is?  I "think" it's 
    
    Who pitched last nohit game at Fenway
    
    Sign me - embarrased not to know question but someone will have it

    
    	In 1969 Reggie Jackson hit 47 homers but finished 3rd in the
    	AL.  Name the two players were ahead of him (in home runs).
    
	Killebrew (49) and Howard (48)

    
    	These are a little late......but notable! 
    
    July 19:
    
    	In a 1983 tennis match, Czech Tomas Smid hit his opponent with a
    	shot.  His foe said:  "You'll be sorry the day you hit me, you
    	f****** Communist a******!"  Name the foe.  
    
    	Too easy.....
    
    
    	John McEnroe
    
    
    	I was the lst player from the Negro Leagues to play in the majors.
    	In 1956 and 1959 I led the NL in both hitting and hits.  Name him.
    
    
	Hank Aaron

    Huh?  Is that the last player?  It certainly wasn't the first...
    

    
    Walt,
    
    	That should read "last".  
    
    Claybone

        Most Popular			Least Popular

1.	Pro Football		1.	WWF wrestling
2.	Ladies Figure Skating	2.	Pro Boxing
3.	Ladies Gymnastics	3.	LPGA
3.(tie)	Pro Baseball		4.	PGA
5.	Pairs Figure Skating	5.	PGA-Seniors
6.	Men's Figure Skating	6.	Olympics -Amateur Boxing
7.	Pairs Ice Dancing	7.	Body Building
8.	Men's Gymnastics	8.	Collegiate Wrestling
9.	NBA			9.	Arm Wrestling
10.	College Football	9.(tie) Sled Dogging


 this according to the Nation Sports Study II. 1469 people answering
 a 64 page questionaire.....

 NCAA basketball #16 most popular....what HOGWASH!!!!!!!!!!

    	Hey MikeC, where did they take this survey, The People's Republic of
    Cambridge?
    
    				/Don

    > WWF wrestling (#1 Least Popular)
    
    According to my sources, WWF Wrestling has sold out Madison Square
    Garden more times in a row than any other event.
    
    Sounds awfully unpopular to me.  [NOT!}
    
    
    - ACC Chris

		Hey!!!! Did somebody mention that Mattingly
		has only hit .200 since August 20th????

    5 players with the same first and last initials have won MVP awards.
    Two are easy,three are difficult. Answer beneath  FF.

    
    
    Mickey Mantle
    Barry Bonds
    Narty Marion
    Dizzy Dean
    Jackie Jensen
    

>    Narty Marion

Marty? Narion?

TTom

    Sorry: type should have beeb Marty Marion.

    What Knick holds the franchise record for most points in a game and how
    many did he score?
    
    Bernard King - 60 points
    
    This question was on a local sports station, with the winner getting 2 
    tickets for tonight's Suns-Thugs matchup.  I had the answer and was the
    4th caller.  They wanted the 5th :-(  

>  This question was on a local sports station, with the winner getting 2 
>    tickets for tonight's Suns-Thugs matchup.  I had the answer and was the
>    4th caller.  They wanted the 5th :-(  

They charge for Suns intra squad pickup games?

Metz

    What team was the NBA's first foreign expansion team?
    
    Toronto Huskies, 1956-1958
    
    Who played in the first NBA game?
    
    Toronto Huskies vs. New York Knicks, 1956, Maple Leaf Gardens

    Name the only university to start a future Baseball HoF'er and future
    Football HoF'er in the same backfield.
    
    Reggie Jackson - fullback
    Charlie Taylor - halfback
    
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   How well researched is that, MikeH? I would hate for you to be
  embarassed again when someone points out that Jackie Robinson or
  someone played in the same backfield as a future football HoFer.
  You know how you and trivia are.

 Isn't Jim Thorpe in both Halls of Fame?

    Name the first backfield to have both backs run for over 1,000 yards
    and have the QB throw over 2,000 yards.
    
    Ben Malone - Dolphins
    Willie Green - Chiefs
    Danny White - Cowboys
    
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A r i z o n a             S t a t e               U n i v e r s i t y
    

 
    I guess that one went zooming right over your big head, Mikey.
    If Thorpe is in both Halls (and I believe he is) then his university
    obviously started "a future Baseball HoF'er and future Football HoF'er 
    in the same backfield". Hahahaha. 

    
    Hey Mike, who is Willie Green (or should that be whose willie is
    green?)?  And if I had known that I was gonna get a repeat of the Nuts
    in here every morning, I wouldn't have told you about them.
    
    brews 

    Tommy, that's a different twist to my question.
    
    That backfield led ASU to an undefeated season in '75.  They beat
    Nebraska in the Fiesta Bowl, and the polls still gave the MNC to
    Nebraska.

    Willie Green was drafted by the Chiefs, blew out his knee in preseason
    and never played an NFL down.

    And you still can't tell me about that DL I asked about a week or so
    ago, can you Mr. PAC-10?

>    And you still can't tell me about that DL I asked about a week or so
>    ago, can you Mr. PAC-10?
    
    

>    That backfield led ASU to an undefeated season in '75.  They beat
>    Nebraska in the Fiesta Bowl, and the polls still gave the MNC to
>    Nebraska.

     Wasn't it Oklahoma that won the MNC that year ?  Nebraska definately
     wasn't the team that won it that year.

>                               -< we wuz robbed >-
>    
>    That backfield led ASU to an undefeated season in '75.  They beat
>    Nebraska in the Fiesta Bowl, and the polls still gave the MNC to
>    Nebraska.
    
    Try again, oh trivial one.  The pollsters recognized Arizona St's
    phony-baloney WAC championship for what it was worth, and correctly
    recognized the Oklahoma team that blew the doors off the Nebraska
    team that ASU squeaked by in the hometown WAC-championship Also-Ran Bowl 
    as the national champion.  Frank Kush squealed about it a bit, but the
    rest of the country dismissed him (and most of the rest of the state of
    Arizona at that time) as a small-time rightwing dictatorial type looking 
    for attention.  Much to his chagrin, Kush would later get that attention.   
    
    Mike, in your admirable attempts to try to pass yourself off as a real
    Arizonan, you should at least try to get some of the facks close to
    the ballpark...
    
    glenn
    

    Thorpe was not that good a baseball player and is surely not in the
    baseball hof.  But you were on the same track as I was re. same-same
    fb-bb hof.
    
    Ted Kluszewski comes to mind as having close to hof potential in both
    sports and Hobie Baker probably qualifies in football and hockey.  But
    since hof seems to be a purely pro thing since nfl became big after war
    you would have to find a pre-1935 candidate.
    
    Also from advent of baseball farm systems colleges supplied fewer great
    baseball stars but in 20s and earlier many hofers were college stars
    (Sisler,Frisch,Gehrig...)
    
    	this may be were researching

    Name the only player to be named all-american on an Ivy League
    Soccer team and in the Baseball hall of fame..
    REK
    
    Hints, he was a goalie in soccer and a firstbaseman.....

    
      Name the only Baseball HoF'er that wore a size 12 right shoe and
    a size 10 left shoe while serving on the Dominican Republic
    Council of Economic Equality?
    
       Hints: {none}
    
    

    
    Re: 85.187
    
    answer - Nick Bavona, of course!
    
    
    

>    Try again, oh trivial one.  The pollsters recognized Arizona St's
>    phony-baloney WAC championship for what it was worth, and correctly\
    
    Hindsight is 20/20 and it sure worked for BYU.
    
>    team that ASU squeaked by in the hometown WAC-championship Also-Ran Bowl 
>    as the national champion.  Frank Kush squealed about it a bit, but the
>    rest of the country dismissed him (and most of the rest of the state of
>    Arizona at that time) as a small-time rightwing dictatorial type looking 
    
    I don't think so.  The locals still gripe about that as much as they do
    the 5th game of the '76 NBA Finals.
    
>    Mike, in your admirable attempts to try to pass yourself off as a real
>    Arizonan, you should at least try to get some of the facks close to
>    the ballpark...
    
    You mean like you being a real Bay Stater?  My facks were not only in
    the ballpark, but they're at home plant.  Don't try to pass that stuff
    on me.  Just because you did your impersonation of a snowbird here
    doesn't mean you're an Arizonan either.  Your faux residencies almost
    put Dr. 00:00 to shame.  And you've been too long removed to be credible 
    about the events here.

    
    >> answer - Nick Bavona, of course! 
    
    You are good. Very Good. I can't believe somebody got that.
    
    >> prize?????
    
    
      Your choice:
    
        The Fred Lebo Left Right Instructional Video  
    
    			or
    
      Jim Mckay and Fred Buttons Wettest Moments!
    
    
        
    
      	   

    Stevie_boy, you're a piece of work!

>    You mean like you being a real Bay Stater?  My facks were not only in
>    the ballpark, but they're at home plant. 
    
    I ain't never passed myself off as a Bay Stater and never will.  But
    even if I were to, I'd make sure I checked da facks for accuracy before
    I started pridefully chest-puffing about a bunch of people and events 
    that I never even heard of... 
    
>    Just because you did your impersonation of a snowbird here
>    doesn't mean you're an Arizonan either.  Your faux residencies almost
>    put Dr. 00:00 to shame.  And you've been too long removed to be credible 
>    about the events here.
 
    Huh?  You mean if you spend a week visiting in Arizona they try to 
    label and count you as a resident down there?  I know the place is
    seasonal for many residents but that's ridiculous.  I guess that's 
    how all those famous athletes that you're so fond of passing off as
    Arizonans came to be so; they passed through once on their way to
    California...
    
    glenn
                 

    Ain't Arizona the place where the state slogan is akin to:
    
    "But It's a Dry Heat"
    
    
    JaKe
    

    >   I ain't never passed myself off as a Bay Stater and never will.  But
    
    Bay Stater, Red Sox fan, same difference.
    
>   I started pridefully chest-puffing about a bunch of people and events 
>   that I never even heard of... 
    
    Interesting.  Tell me which events I haven't heard of.  Tell me which
    events were incorrectly recorded in the local media.  Tell me which
    events were incorrectly recorded in the media guides.  
    
>    Huh?  You mean if you spend a week visiting in Arizona they try to 
>    label and count you as a resident down there?  I know the place is
    
    Double Huh?  why would we count snowbirds and tourists for anything or
    than contributing to local revenue?  Please try again.

>                      -< Arizona is a vacuum, it sucks. >-
>    Ain't Arizona the place where the state slogan is akin to:
    
    who rattled your cage anyway?  Anyone with half a brain and an
    elevation map can figure out there's quite a bit more to the state than
    rolling hills and steel mills.

  >> Anyone with half a brain and an elevation map...
    
     That includes Jake out. Hahahaha.
    
    
     I remain, 
    
     having a hard time figuring what this all has to do with trivia and
     wondering why I'm boosting Farley's tag.
    

    
>    Interesting.  Tell me which events I haven't heard of.  Tell me which
>    events were incorrectly recorded in the local media.  Tell me which
>    events were incorrectly recorded in the media guides.  
    
    The polls did not "still" give Nebraska the MNC after Arizona St beat
    them in the Fiesta Bowl.  I suppose that if you can convince yourself
    that your team beat the team that was voted the MNC in the bowls, then 
    it's possible to feel cheated by just about anything.  That wasn't the 
    case.
    
    glenn
    

	Oh BOY!!!  Yet another "my state is better than your state" LDUC.
	Let's see where did I put that NEXT UNSEEN key?


	billl

    Mac,
    	You got me, and of course Fred Lynn and Reggie Jackson are two
    more.  I had my mind in 40s , 50s mode where I think impact of colleges
    had become much less.
    	The pipeline of college to major league seems to come and go and
    use of metal bats may be influencing non pitchers to again take the
    minor league route (a la trot)
    
    b

    Of course I posted that note from memory (from a book Leary, I know you
    think I was there when butter was invented) so I hope you have a better
    confirming source.
    
    Lou also played some football according to one source.
    
    Bill (a battle of the bulge baby)(and still)

    
    >>Anyone with half a brain and an
    >>elevation map can figure out there's quite a bit more to the state than
    >>rolling hills and steel mills.                                         
    
    Well, while you may own an elevation map, Mike, yer disqualified from
    the above due to yer lack of brain capacity.
    
    Sure younzes may have the Grand Canyon(God's Sewage System, maybe) and
    a few mountains, ya still gots the heat and the desert and "low
    humidity"
    
    BTW, Pittsburgh, fer yer feeble brain, only has 2 working steele mills
    out of the 40 or so that were running 30 years ago.
    
    And we ain't got no desert to get bored loking at.
    
    JaKe
    

    70-75 were Big 8 glory days. Nebraska won back-to-back MNC in 70 and
    71.
    Oklahoma won in 74 and 75. I think '74 was a split championship
    since they were on probation and the Coaches poll does not include
    teams on probation.
    
    The Crazy Met
    
    

>    Well, while you may own an elevation map, Mike, yer disqualified from
>    the above due to yer lack of brain capacity.
    
    Yabbut, you cheated.  Someone had to tell you that because you sure
    didn't come up with it yourself.  I'll give ya some credit though. 
    You'd whip an amoeba in a battle of wit anyday.
    
>    Sure younzes may have the Grand Canyon(God's Sewage System, maybe) and
>    a few mountains, ya still gots the heat and the desert and "low
>    humidity"
    
    Thanks for the geography and meteorology lesson.  Next time I need a
    heart-stopping climatic lesson on PA's 2 features, I'll be sure to give 
    ya a ring.
    
>    BTW, Pittsburgh, fer yer feeble brain, only has 2 working steele mills
>    out of the 40 or so that were running 30 years ago.
>    And we ain't got no desert to get bored loking at.
    
    Oooo!  Now I can sleep soundly tonight.  I'm sure it's real
    thigh-shuddering watching them smoke stacks too.

    Izzit that time of this month out there in Arizonedout????????
    
    Somebody's ragging it!!!!!
    
    FWIW, Mikee-poo, Pa. has many more than "2 features".  Come'on out and
    I'll give ya the grand tour(as long as you pay fer gas).  The mountains
    ain't as beautiful as the Rockies, but they are beautiful in their own
    ways.  
    
    And most've the smoke stacks came crashing down with the steel;
    industry's fall some years back, and we actually cain't even taste the
    air no more.
    
    
    Plus, we have a REAL football team here in Pittsburgh, unlike the
    Cards, who might have a chance to beat Pitt, if they played them enough
    games.
    
    JaKe
    
    

    
    >>Yabbut, you cheated.  Someone had to tell you that because you sure
    
    Djou get permission from Kev to use a yabbut??  He rations them out, ya
    know.
    
    JaKe
    

>    Izzit that time of this month out there in Arizonedout????????
>    Somebody's ragging it!!!!!
    
    not quite.  you have to learn to take what you dish out.  How could you
    possibly expect me to let those jabs slip by without a response?
    
>    FWIW, Mikee-poo, Pa. has many more than "2 features".  Come'on out and
>    I'll give ya the grand tour(as long as you pay fer gas).  The mountains
>    ain't as beautiful as the Rockies, but they are beautiful in their own
>    ways.  
    
    Sorry.  We trekked to Pontiac every summer from Mass. when I was young.
    I've seen more of the PA Turnpike than I care to remember and I
    remember both features well.  And I hate to spoil your party, but those
    "mountains" wouldn't make the "hill" team out here.
    
>    Plus, we have a REAL football team here in Pittsburgh, unlike the
>    Cards, who might have a chance to beat Pitt, if they played them enough
>    games.
    
    Well as far as REAL sports like basketball go, you might as well be the
    Cards.  I'd ignore them there too.

  I tried to warn you, Mikey but you were being your usual granite-headed
 self and wouldn't listen. Maybe you ought to start a "Wouldn't it be cool
 if it were true" note.



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   How well researched is that, MikeH? I would hate for you to be
  embarassed again when someone points out that Jackie Robinson or
  someone played in the same backfield as a future football HoFer.
  You know how you and trivia are.

>>    Mike, in your admirable attempts to try to pass yourself off as a real
>>    Arizonan, you should at least try to get some of the facks close to
>>    the ballpark...
>   
>    You mean like you being a real Bay Stater?  My facks were not only in
>    the ballpark, but they're at home plant.
    
    Well, not only was the part about the stolen MNC off the mark, but most
    of the rest of the stuff that the Arizona Minister of Propaganda was
    passing off yesterday didn't sound right either.  Turns out that Danny 
    White/Woody Green did not play for the undefeated 1975 ASU team.  And
    considering that Charley Taylor's last year at ASU was 1963, Reggie 
    Jackson turned 17 that year and freshmen were still ineligible for
    football in those days regardless, unless the prodigal Reggie was 
    enrolled at ASU at 16 years of age these two never shared so much as 
    a practice field together, much less the same starting backfield (oh,
    you mean it didn't have to be the same year?!).  They might have met 
    on a recruiting trip, though.
    
    Mike, you really getting this stuff from a media guide or are you
    embellishing?  I suspect a university conspiracy with Heiser being used 
    as an unwitting patsy on the national front...  ;-)
    
    glenn
    

	This year in SPROTS will go down in history as the Year for the
	Innocent College Prank.


	billl

    
    But Glen, Mike was talking about Willie Green (who's he?) not Woody
    Green.   8^)
    
    
    brews

                                            
>    But Glen, Mike was talking about Willie Green (who's he?) not Woody
>    Green.   8^)
    
    Yeah, I know.  The only that's certain for sure is that in the years
    1971-1975 Nebraska won the MNC, Arizona St. went undefeated, Danny
    White passed for 2000 yards, Woody Green future Chief rushed for 1000, 
    and Willie Green tore up his knee before he could become a future Chief 
    (maybe).  Put all those together into one year and you've got one hell 
    of a trivia question... 
    
    ;-)
    
    glenn
    

>    Mike, you really getting this stuff from a media guide or are you
>    embellishing?  I suspect a university conspiracy with Heiser being used 
    
    yup.  The media guides were released last weekend for the Big Game. 
    UA's is really boring.  No big names that went on to become great pros. 
    2-6-1 lifetime bowl record.  Talk about pretenders.

    Glenn, you forgot Ben Malone too.  
    
    The bottomline to all this:  NEVER let a poorly written media guide
    stand in the way of a great trivia question.

	re: way back a few

  Lou Gerhig  soccer goalie from Ivy league and HoF 1st base


  Cadzilla2  

    You are right Cadzilla.... 
    
    REK

    Two quickies which should be in trivia note, sorry mac, 
    
    What is the Napoleonic palyndrome?
    
    What is the famous "napoleonic" dish named for one of his battles?
    
    Answers after lunch

>    What is the Napoleonic palyndrome?

Able I was, ere I saw Elba.
    

    
    
    >> What is the famous "napoleonic" dish named for one of his battles?
    
    
       Spumoni?
    
    

    'Saw, you're up on your palindromes.
    
    Chicken Marengo, a popular Tobin's dish was a dish cooked up quick for
    the Napoleon because the austrian weren't going to wait(for the battle
    of same name).
    
    And the sports tie in is with Nap Lajoie who was so popular the
    Cleveland club called thems selves after him for awhile.

My favorite palindrome:

	A man a plan a canal Panama.

TTom

    re .223
    
    That should be Able was I

>    re .223
>    
>    That should be Able was I

I know, Mac and I talked about that in mail a few minutes ago.

Sometimes when I type, my fingers will tend to follow more recognized
patterns.  So while I was thinking "was I", my fingers, more used to
typing "I was", typed that instead......


DUH....


'Saw

    Who has the record for the biggest Super Bowl ring ever made and what
    size is it?
    
    William "Fridge" Perry, size 23

That is ONE BIG SAUSAGE FINGER......

Used to have a music teacher at Central who was a bass violinist.
He had the hugest fingers I've ever seen and I always wondered
how he could play at all -- yet he did and was quite accomplished....


'Saw

      I don't know if this was ever asked, but
    
      Who was the last switch hitter to win the MVP of the 
      American League???
    
                                 

Vida Blue in 1971(?) Blue was a switch hitter.

next.

The Crazy Met

      very good!  I didn't know anyone knew that!!
    
                                       Tony

    Chambers.
    

    how about downtown freddie brown or maybe even slick watts???
    

    I'd say Gus Williams or Dennis Johnson.

    I thought Lenny was their coach.

    Chelios?	84 games?   100 points?

    I'll try again Karen.
    
    Paul Coffey, 1300 points.
    
    					Steve

    
    
    Ray Bourque last time i saw his stats was about 59 pts.
    
    j/

>    What Jazz player has the most career points, with how many?


Charlie Parker?  Horace Silver?

Maybe John Coltrane?

I know, it was the combination of Stan Getz, Gerry Mulligan and Zoot Sims?


'Saw

>>           <<< Note 85.249 by SHARE::DERRY "Color me impressed..." >>>

>>    What Jazz player has the most career points, with how many?

Probably Pistol Pete ??? (can't remember his last name).  He played
college ball in Louisiana, and his socks would never stay up.

If that's not right, then how about Adrian Dantley?

Jerry

    How about Darrell Griffith?
    
    Mike

    My guess would be Tom Chambers

 Has to be Karl Malone.

    Chambers or Jeff Malone?
    
    Mike

Karl Malone wouldn't be trivia.

The Crazy Met

    That Massachusetts trivia guide is quite a stretch.  Chambers hasn't
    even played a full season in Utah yet.  

    
    
    	I don't know the total number but I'm proud to recall that Brian
    Winters (A Archbishop Molloy HS grad) won it in ~74.!  He was also
    part of the trade between the Lakers and Milwaukee for Kareem.
    
    Brian graduated one year after I did.
    
    Just for S&G, I believe that he's an assistant coach at Princeton.
    
    I remain,
    a member of the Archbishop Molloy alumni elite!
    Kev
    

    Brian Winters looks kinda like Stephen King.

    
    
    	Yabbut then obviously, yer short list is wrong!  Brian was a member
    of the Olympic team (which was jobbed by the refs) who lost to the
    Russians and was a South Carolina Gamecock!  Excellent outside shot.
    
    so there!
    
    Kev
    

    George Mikan, James Worthy, Elgin Baylor, West, ..
    
    How did I do???
    
    REK

>    Only one Laker has ever been named Rookie of the Year...
    
>    Elgin Baylor in 1959.

 makes sense he was the best Laker of all-time....

 mike

    I don't even remember if this guy coached, but I'll say Bob Pulford.
    
    					Steve

    Name the College B-Ball player who's played for 2 Hall-Of-Fame coaches.
    
    - Rope

    Bill Walton played for John Wooden and KC Jones.  However, KC is in the
    hall as a player.  He would have no chance as a coach.
    
    D_Don

    Only 1 NFL team has NEVER won a division title since the 
    AFL-NFL merged......... NAME IT!!!!!!!!!
    
    REK

>>  <<< Note 85.274 by USCTR1::KING "Cemeteries = Parks with nice stones..." >>>
>>
>>    Only 1 NFL team has NEVER won a division title since the 
>>    AFL-NFL merged......... NAME IT!!!!!!!!!
    
How 'bout them Saints?

Jerry

I think it's Phoenix/St. Louis.....


Could be wrong though.....

    I should have been more specific.
    
    Name the College B-Ball player who's played for 2 college coaches who
    are in the Hall-Of-Fame (Hint - They're Active Coaches).
    
    - Rope

It is the Jets

The Crazy Met

    Possibly one of those nc players who played for Frank McGuire and then
    Dean.  I should be able to recall them since that class beat bc in east
    regional in '67.

	Atlanta Falcons

    Its is the Jets...
    
    REK

    re: Breen
    
    I seriously doubt Frank McGuire is_a "active" coach.  
    
    If Denny Crum's in the Hall, then it_d be Clifford Rozier.  
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    ACC Chris wins the grand prize!  It is indeed Clifford Rozier as Denny
    Crum was voted into the Hall this week.
    
    - Rope

    Speaking of Rozier, I get sick every time I think of him.  He had made
    up his mind and was coming to UK.  Sean Woods made the awful mistake of
    giving him a ride to Louisville for a Kentucky Derby party.  Well,
    seems as how the NCAA has this little rule about not taking recruits
    more than 40 miles of campus - Louisville is approximately 62 miles
    from Lexington.  What a bummer!  Can you imagine if UK had Rozier last
    season with Mashburn?  They wouldn't have been stopped - Not even
    close.  Imagine him with this years squad even...SIGH...
    
    - ROPE

    Yeh, I messed up on the hint about active.  Frank is a little less than
    active right now but he is in the hall, correct.  What other active hof
    coach did rozier play for?
    
    But don't give me a hard time or I won't do that duke research.  Bad
    enough I won't get my money's worth on SI this week what with that
    Swedish bicicle team exposee they seem to be having in this issue
    (something's getting a lot of exposure but my glasses fogged and I
    couldnt' get a close enough look).
    
    I can think of one guy talked about a lot today who played for two hof
    college coaches though their fame wasn't from coaching college bball.
    One hint is in the note answering the original question not to speak of
    in my previous note.

    Rozier played for Dean Smith his Frosh campaign.
    
    - Rope

    You can fergit it Rope if ya think I'm gonna drive to Ohio to wipe the
    tears from your sad face cause Clifford didn't make it to Kaintucky. 
    Can you imagine UNC with Montross, Rozier, and Lynch anchoring the
    baseline last year?  
    
    Rozier was unhappy with his PT at Carolina as a frosh, but those who
    think that's the reason he transferred don't understand the full scoop. 
    His playing time clearly was destined to increase dramatically, what 
    with Pete Chilcutt and Rick Fox graduating.
    
    No, Cliffy got caught in a nasty divorce tug-of-war.  His mom lives in
    Florida and dad North Carolina.  Dad wanted him to play ball close to
    him.  Mom couldn't stand dad, Rozier went to UNC, and mom made life
    miserable for her son.  
    
    On a deeper note though, it was not a well disguised fact that Rozier
    was despised by most of his teammates, and Dean wasn't enthralled with
    the kids attitude, either.  Plus we probably wouldn't have gotten Rasheed
    Wallace if Rozier was still around.
    
    All in all, I ain't complainin'.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

>    Yeh, I messed up on the hint about active.  Frank is a little less than
>    active right now but he is in the hall, correct.  What other active hof
>    coach did rozier play for?
    
    Don't back down, though, Bill, because unless ol' Deano cleared the
    decks when he took over for McGuire, there was more than one player who
    played under these two HOFers, and we've got Rope dead to rights on
    trivia fraud, just like with Heiser on that bogus Charlie Taylor/Reggie
    Jackson innocent "media guide" snafu... ;-)
    
    glenn
    

    Well the answer to my trivia question is Jim O'brien who played for
    Cousy and Chuck Daly, if I'm not greatly mistaken.
    
    Of course Cousy, like another mentioned earlier, never would make any
    coaching (or announcing) hof but would have to be a charter member as a
    player (althought I've finally decided I have to have Magic over Couse
    at pg for my all time team (along with Walton,Oscar,McHale and
    DeBuschere).
    
    And Daly like Crum just made hof.

>>    Don't back down, though, Bill, because unless ol' Deano cleared the
>>    decks when he took over for McGuire, there was more than one player who
>>    played under these two HOFers, and we've got Rope dead to rights on
>>    trivia fraud, just like with Heiser on that bogus Charlie Taylor/Reggie
    
    Glenn, I probably need some sort of legal representation before I
    comment further on this incident.  Trivia fraud is nothin to sneeze at. 
    Does ::SPORTS have court-appointed attorneys???
    
    - Rope
    

    hmm, yeah if I recall ACC Crisp was the defense counsel lasted time
    there was a trial in ::sprots
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    As I don't have the finances to go out and hire an attorney from
    another notes file, I'll have to take whatever ::SPORTS gives me!
    
    Oooops - forgot I'm not supposed to comment!
    
    - Rope

    anyways don't worry MikeH has commited trivia fraud multiple times
    without censure.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    UCLA  1978?
    
    REK

    Arizona 1988

    I thought Espo got 76 in 72...
    REK

>
>    Espo - 79 goals in the 70-71 season.
>

I think that was the season that all the Jesus Saves - And Esposito Scores
on the Rebound  bumper sticks started showing up.....


'Saw

Hey I got a Triva question that I don't have the answer for but I'm sure
somebody does:

  When Clemens pitched for Texas in the college World Series, who was his
  his pitching teammate that was also a fairly hot prospect who petered
  out in the pros or atleast didn't have the success of "his Highness"??

 mike

    
     Calvin Schiraldi.

  Actually, Calvin Schiraldi was only one pitch away from being an immortal
Boston hero. If one of 3 batters had guess wrong and popped up or struck out, a
bronze statue of Schiraldi would now be standing down near Fanuel Hall. 

  He had a pretty good summer and had a lot to do with getting the Sox into the
playoffs and into the '86 World Series. He got 7 men out in a row in the 8th,
9th, and 10th then came up one short. 

  To me that's a good athlete who had a bad inning at the wrong time, not a bad
athlete. Unlike Dan Jansen, he came through plenty of times when the '86 season
was on the line.

  By the way, I think that Spike Owen was also on that Texas team.

  George 

    And now for the rebuttal:
    
> Actually, Calvin Schiraldi was only one pitch away from being an immortal
> Boston hero. If one of 3 batters had guess wrong and popped up or struck out, a
> bronze statue of Schiraldi would now be standing down near Fanuel Hall. 

    Right next to Lou Gorman's statue, no doubt.  Seriously, there wasn't a
    whole lot of "guessing" taking place on the Mets' part in that inning,
    as Schiraldi only had one pitch and there was no longer anything on it. 
    Still, if he *had* gotten a break and recorded that last out, he'd
    probably be remembered with some small affection but hardly as this 
    heroic immortal you suggest.  Not when he'd already blown the lead in 
    the game once, along with a couple other games in the postseason.  
    Let's face it, Schiraldi had one of the worst overall postseason 
    performances by a reliever of all time, not just one bad inning.  
    Suggesting that he could have been an "immortal Boston hero" is like 
    saying that Mitch Williams could have been the 1993 World Series MVP,
    if he'd just had taller outfielders.
    
> To me that's a good athlete who had a bad inning at the wrong time, not a bad
> athlete. Unlike Dan Jansen, he came through plenty of times when the '86 season
> was on the line.
    
    There is nothing about Calvin Schiraldi's entire career that suggests that
    he was a good athlete who just had one bad inning.  The good innings
    were the exceptions.  You really shouldn't demean Dan Jansen in this
    manner, George...
    
    glenn
      

  First of all, anyone who makes it to the majors and stays for more than a cup
of coffee is a great athlete. And I don't think you understand sports fans all
that well if you think that he wouldn't have been a local hero in Boston. Look
at all the adulation Karrigan is getting and all she's got to show for it is a
couple world level bronze metals. At least Schiraldi's team came in 2nd. 

  As for how close he came, hitting is not a sure thing and all it would have
taken is one unlucky swing from Carter, Mitchel, or Knight for the Sox to have
won that game. Remember McCovy's shot to Bobby Richardson to end the '62 World
Series? He hit that ball as hard as he could but it was right at Richardson. 

  Schiraldi was a great athlete because he made the majors and did a fair job
as closer for a season. Had he gotten a lucky out, his likeness would have been
bronzed and MacNamara would have been called one of the great coaches in Boston
history.

  I'm not saying that I'd agree, but they would have been heroes.

  George

re: .313

First 2 batters in the inning (Backman, Hernandez) weren't fooled by Schiraldi.
They hit the ball pretty well, flying out to CF.

The Crazy Met

    Any further discussions of Calvin Schiraldi and the '86 World Series
    should take place in one of the baseball topics (American League,
    National League, Red Sox, or Mets).

love the title of the previous note. heh heh

The Crazy Met

       <<< Note 85.305 by CNTROL::CHILDS "I need a Rasberry Lollipop" >>>


>Hey I got a Triva question that I don't have the answer for but I'm sure
>somebody does:
>
>  When Clemens pitched for Texas in the college World Series, who was his
>  his pitching teammate that was also a fairly hot prospect who petered
>  out in the pros or atleast didn't have the success of "his Highness"??
    
    Greg Swindell?
    
    Mark.

    Also, Bruce Ruffin
    

    
    Question to settle someone who doesn't believe the rest of us:
    
    On ABC Wide World of Sports, the "agony of defeat skiier" - a ski 
    jumper or a downhil skiier?
    
    - Sean

    
    
    	Ski Jumper
    
    Kev_for_Mac
    

	Yup, what MikeL said...a jumper


	billl

>> billll, yer fergot the "_fer_Mac" thang - dont let it happen again!

	Well, exsuma mooy-mooy!


	billl

    
    Sure?
    
    Man claims it was a man-made jump for a slalom run, but not a
    "ski-jump" jump.

We're sure.

ABC has only done about 15 reports on this guy during the intervening 
years.

It was a ski jump, no doubt about it.....

	Back to Karen's trivial question. Out of the 13 first round picks in
the 80's. There is only 1 left on the team, Danny Manning. Manning could have
been drafted in '90. So the answer might be none.

Ron

    Manning was drafted in 1988. Actually, almost all of their 80's first
    round picks are still playing.
    80 - Michael Brooks
    81 - Tom Chambers
    82 - Terry Cummings
    83 - Byron Scott
    84 - Lancaster Gordon
         Michael Cage
    85 - Benoit Benjamin
    86 - none
    87 - Reggie Williams
         Joe Wolf
         Ken Norman
    88 - Danny Manning
         Hersey Hawkins
    89 - Danny Ferry

    If you watch the footage long enough, you see the ski jumper fall off
    the jump.

      And to think the Clippers could have been something with all those
    picks..  What owner screwed this up?
    
      Tj

    Twas a ski jumper, only injury was a broken collarbone, but gave the
    guy that broke his fall major head injuries and back problems.
    
    JaKe
    

    Re: Clips
    
    It's their owner that's the problem.  Chances are they will not have
    Manning either past the trading deadline.

    are there any decisions on where he's going???
    
                       stig

=Bob=   

	At the end of the year Manning will be free to come and go to any
 team he desire. The Celtics are high on his list of teams that he would 
 like to join. So is Charlotte, and given that the Hornets have more pieces
 than the Celtics towards winning a championship my guess is that he'll
 go there.

 mike

re: .1

I agree, and there has been talk for years that Manning wants to play in Boston.
The Clippers strategy, since last season seem to be to hold onto him until the
last minute, then get what they can for him.  My point is that if they were 
looking to trade the guy, there is nothing the Celtics could offer that would 
interest the Clippers.  I say this, althought I was surprised that Dee Brown 
was supposedly worth a first round choice to the Pistons.

    Time to move this to either the NBA or Celtics topics.

    Otis Birdsong?  Tiny?
    
    Mike

    	Pre Sacremento and pre Kansas City guess would be the BigO
    
    				/Don

    Oscar score 51 in a playoff game with Celtics in early 60s when they
    had C's down 2-1 (out of 5) and playing at home (in cinci of course)
    with Embry,Twyman,Lucas,Bockhorn.
    
    Sam had 47 in the finale to hold off pesky royals.  Very tough team but
    there was only one russell.

    Where "The Russell" was Cazzie.   Who was a truly great college
    basketball player and fine Knick.
    
    But no RUSSELL

      <<< Note 85.348 by CTHQ::LEARY "Corporate Telecom Technology
    Solutions" >>>
                              -< And campy was no cazzie >-
     
    "campy"  - is that Campanella(roy),Campanelli(Lou) or Capestrano?

That's easy --

	Lanny MacDonald.


'Saw

    Al Macinness? Mike Vernon? Doug Risebrough? Theoren Fleury?
    
    I'll pick Risebrough
    
    MikeL
    

>    
>    That's what I thought but according to where I get these questions,
>    it's the wrong answer...
>

I could be wrong, but I could have sworn it was him.  I watched that
series, and considering it was his last hurrah I thought for sure it
was him.

I don't think it was Mike Vernon....8^)

    Was Doug Gilmour still on the team then?
    
    Mike

>    According to the Press Box (Sports Center type show on Sports Channel),
>    the answer is Al MacInnis.  He had 7 goals and 24 assists. 

That could be right, now that you mention it.

I could have been mistaken.  I remember Lanny MacDonald (he of the bitchin'
cool moustache) scoring the game winner (or the last goal, fergit which)
in the final game of the series.....


'Saw

    Jean Ratelle?? :-)
    
    The Crazy Met
    

	Was it Cam "he hit me first" Neelie?


	billl

    It's probably somebody unexepected, but I'll say Ty Domi.
    
    					Steve

	Dave Hunter?

>>Dave Hunter?
	I meant Dale Hunter.

    re trivia
    I'll say Dave Shultz
    
    
    Tom

    
    ...Forbes Kennedy?
    
    
    ...Mel

    
    
    Chris "knuckles" Nilan
    

Randy Holt????

    Tiger Williams?
    
    REK

>           <<< Note 85.372 by SHARE::DERRY "Color me impressed..." >>>
>
>    'Saw's right.  Randy Holt with 67 penalty minutes....


Gee, that suprised even me.  I mean, that was in, like 1979, and
I thought for sure that someone like Nilan or Hunter would have
surpassed that by now.....

I could have sworn the "Hansen triplets" from the movie slapshot would 
hold that honor. 

    What player holds the PittsburgH Penguins career record for penalty
    minutes?

	Hunter?

    Watson?
    

    Punch Imlach?

    Well if it;s Scotty,
    Four with Montreal (76-79) and two with the Pengoons (91-92).
    
    MikeL
    

    Bowman wasn't the coach for the first 'Goons Stanley Cup.  The late
    Bob Johnson was.
    
    				/Don

    Ah, mea culpa Slash, you is correct..
    Was he the Habs' coach in '86 when they beat the Flames??
    If so that's be #5, the 'Goons #6.
    
    MikeL
    

 Eddie Sutton? Arkansas, Kentucky, Oklahoma St. ???

 mike

    Larry Brown? UCLA,Kansas,??,??
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Eddie Sutton: Creighton,Kentucky,Arkansas,Okla State

Joe Barely Cares, traded to Golden State for
R. Parish and K. McHale back when the Celtics front office
knew what it was doing and the rest of the league did not.

dr.a

	When was the last time the four major sports (baseball, football,
basketball and hokey - not figure skating) had four REPEAT champions.  Name
the years and the teams.  CAUTION answer follows...


	1961-1962

	Baseball   - New York Yankees
	Football   - Green Bay Packers
	Basketball - BOSTON CELTICS
	Hokey      - Toronto Maple Leafs

    Cain't guess the years, but I suspect the Celtics, Habs, Packers and
    Yankees did the trick.
    
    Mark.

I think Lufay got 3 of the 4 teams right. I'm pretty sure the Habs is incorrect
and it was the Maple Leafs. It was very early 1960's

The Crazy Met

    Why not hit the return key and find out?

    Rick Mount's team was '69 and they were knocked off by ucla.
    
    I think the other final 4 is more recent.  Sichting played on some good
    teams.
    
    

    
    
    > What NHL player leads the league in the +/- category?
    
      Either Federov or Lindstrom both play for Detroit.

	 How long is a nautical mile?

	Ha!! How many feet in a nautical mile?

  I knew if I let that one go in it's present form you guys would be busting me.

    One minute of longitudinal arc at the equator, or approximately 2000
    yards.

>    One minute of longitudinal arc at the equator, or approximately 2000
>    yards.

Yep.  We always used the round figure of 6000', as opposed to 5280' for
a statute mile.

And knots is nautical miles per hour I believe.....

    
    	No.  A knot is what you tie your lure onto the end of your
    	fishin' line wif.  
    
    Claybone

    A nautical mile is:
    
    6076.1 feet
    1.151 miles
    1852 meters

	How many freshman have been elected to the AP first team All-American
 football squad?



  Cadzilla2

    
>>And knots is nautical miles per hour I believe.....
    
    Nah, knots is the guy who played Barney Fife on the Andy Griffith Show.
    
    Schnortt Schitt Schlepps
    
    JaKe
    

      I thought a knot was what a person gets on their head after someone
    smacks 'em with a 2x4?
    
      Tim

>      I thought a knot was what a person gets on their head after someone
>    smacks 'em with a 2x4?
    
No.

That's either a contusion or a hematoma.


hth,
'Saw

    >> No.
    
    >> That's either a contusion or a hemotoma.
    
       Correct, but the first statement should read...
    
    
     NOT!

      It was figurative, like, he got a big knot on his head, or my stomach
    is in knots after being racked...
    
      Tim

>
>      It was figurative, like, he got a big knot on his head, or my stomach
>    is in knots after being racked...
>    
>      Tim

I knew that.  And you knew I knew that.  And I knew that you knew that
I knew that, which is why I said it.

What makes you think I didn't know that?

I knew that....

    I've never met that. I've met who though. He's on first. NOT! WHO'S 
    supposed to be on first!

      I knew you knew that, but I was just stating why I said what I said,
    and now with that said,  what did I say anyway? (-)
    
      Tim

> what did I say anyway? (-)

getting a head start on tonights get together?? :-)

The Crazy Met

     I don't know what you said but "that' said, I'm outta here!

      Sure TCM,  I'll be there and put it on Digital's tab since I hear you
    seem to skip out before paying (-)  Does the Concord fly to the Boston
    area?  Thats the only way I'll make it on time.  or maybe somone has a
    buddy with an F15?
    
      Tim

in the US only JFK and Dulles have Concord service

The Crazy Met

>in the US only JFK and Dulles have Concord service

Yep, and on the odd occasion that one of them shuts down, (primarily
JFK) we'll have one land here at Hartford (Bradley Airport).....


'Saw

    Dallas Mavs 1992-1993 season to 1993-1994 season..
    
    22 games?
    
    REK

    Don Drysdale 225?

    Sanford Koufax?

  Don Sutton has quite a few, 300 I think, but I'm not sure if he got them
all with the Dodgers.

  George

    Rogie Vachon?
    
    Mark.

    Pat Quinn?
    

>                                -< Tom Webster >-


Former New England/Hartford Whaler forward.....

    

    George Gervin is obvious (I think)
    and
    Larry Kenon???

    What was the San Antonio franchise known as originally? Any ABA fans
    here?

Buffalo Braves?

Buffalo went to San Diego, now the LA Clippers.

|
|Buffalo went to San Diego, now the LA Clippers.
|

Oh, okay.  

    That would be the Dallas Chaparrals

...Iceman and Artis Gilmour?

dr.a

    re.442 
    
    Correct! Long live the ABA. Here are the original teams I can remember.
    Provide the nicknames:
    
    New Jersey
    New Orleans
    Dallas
    Pittsburgh
    Oakland
    Anaheim
    Minnesota
    Indiana
    Kentucky
    Denver
    
    Maybe one more-some great nicknames here:

	I know yunz will be shocked, but the only one that I remember
	is the.......

	Pittsburgh Pipers with the original 'magician' Connie Hawkins.
	Spent several evenings at the Civic Arena, along with about 
	200 others watching these guys.

	I thought Philly had a team, too.


	billl

    The New York Nets were not in the original league. the New Jersey
    Americans moved there after playing their first season in the Teaneck
    Armory.
    
    Virginia was not an original. The Oakland Oaks moved to Washington
    becoming the Caps with their star heist Rick Barry. They later moved
    to Virginia where they brought in a rookie from UMASS-Julius Erving.
    
    The Pittsburgh Pipers were the first champions. They moved to Minnesota
    keeping the name. The original Mionnesota team was the Muskies and
    moved to Miami becoming the Floridians. 
    
    I followed that first year because we had a team in NJ(our first
    franchise).

    Philly never had an ABA team,they were having trouble supporting the
    76ers.  BTW,Philly has never supported proball even with Wilt and 
    Dr. J and Moses. It's more into the college game.
    
    The Carolina Cougars,I think came later.

    Here is the list and should be correct. The end lists which team became
    what
    
    
Anahiem Amigos
Carolina Cougars
Dallas Chaparrals
Denver Nuggets
Denver Rockets
Floridians
Houston Mavericks
Indiana Pacers
Kentucky Colonels
Los Angeles Stars
Memphis SOunds
Miami Floridians
Minnesota Muskies
Minnesota Pipers
New Jersey Americans
New Orleans Buccaneers
New York Nets
Oakland Oaks
Pittsburgh Condors
Pittsburgh Pipers
San Antonio Spurs
San Diego Conquistadors
San Diego Sails
Spirits of St Louis
Texas Chaparrals
Utah Stars
Virginia Squires
Washington Capitols

Anahiem Amigos - Los Angeles Stars - Utah Stars
Houston Mavericks - Carolina Cougars - Spirits of St Louis
Denver Nuggets
Denver Rockets
Floridians
Indiana Pacers
Kentucky Colonels
Minnesota Muskies - Miami Floridians
Pittsburgh Pipers - Minnesota Pipers - Pittsburgh Condors
New Jersey Americans - New York Nets
New Orleans Buccaneers - Memphis Sounds
Dallas Chaparrals - San Antonio Spurs
San Diego Conquistadors - San Diego Sails
Texas Chaparrals
Oakland Oaks - Washington Capitols - Virginia Squires
    

	It must be something about Pennsylvania and pro roundball.  For all
	the excitment and fan following that the local high school teams get,
	at least that's the way it was and I believe still is around the 
	'burgh, they can't seem to find a use for pro level.

	It must be because they get their fill of the WWF style 'rasselin' 
	in between the ropes and don't need the 'fake' basketball, too.


	billl

    Why Silas? I thought of him,but did he really have such a good career?
    Thanks to Mr. King for that list. I forgot the Houston Mavericks in the
    list of originals. This is what I think the original ABA looked like:
    
    East
    ------
    Pittsburgh Pipers  
    Minnesota Muskies
    New Jersey Americans
    Kentucky Colonels
    Indiana Pacers
    
    West
    ------
    New Orleans Buccaneers
    Denver Rockets(became Nuggets later)
    Dallas Chaparells
    Oakland Oaks
    Houson Mavericks
    Anaheim Amigos
    
    Some of the big names the first year were Doug Moe and Larry Brown of
    New Orleans,Connie Hawkins of Pittsburgh,roger Brown of Indiana and
    Louis Dampier of Kentucky.
    
    Many of the best players were involved in the college basketball
    scandal of the early 60's and were banned from the NBA.
    
    I can still remember that first season with the Americans,listening to
    the games on radio with Spencer Ross doing the play-by-play.I had no
    idea what any of the players looked like. I doubt any ABA game from
    that first year was televised. Give the league credit: They survived
    and four teams(should've been 5-Kentucky)New York,Indiana,Denver and
    San Antonio were absorbed into the NBA. Priceless memories.

    He was an all-star for  a few years...
    

    
    
     re: spurs question
    
    
        Davy Crockett?
    
    

    I have the book "Loose Balls" which is a history of the ABA, from the
    very beginning, up until the days of the NBA merger.
    
    If I recall correctly, I think the origianal owners initially inteded
    to form another professional baseball league.  But somewhere along the
    way, they decided to do another hoop league instead.
    
    I will try to remember to dust off the book at home & post the
    chronology of all the teams.
    
    /joek

    
    
>>>    I have the book "Loose Balls" which is a 
    
    
    book about Rocky Mountain Oysters??????
    
    
    ;^)
    
    I remain,
    thinking about lunch 'bout this time
    Kev
    

    yeah, sure, Kev, yank my chain about "Loose Balls"
    
    ...wait'll you need some extra baseballs for your little league team,
    and the League President (who controls ALL of the equipment) remembers
    that line!
    
    Actually, my kids love the title to that book, along with "The Jock's
    Itch" by Tom House. 

    
    
    	Yabbut based on the node yer noting from, somehow they'd have to be
    loose (and baggy too)
    
    ;^)
    
    I remain,
    reminding you not to forget "Equipment Return Night".......
    Kev
    

    Connie Hawkins played for two professional basketball teams in
    Pittsburgh - one of course with Pitt's ABA Pipers the other with the
    ABL Pitt team.  Jake, can you recall any ABL - Pitt stuff?
    
    The ABL only lasted for two years, 60,61 (thereabouts); ol' Connie had
    to get his basketball thrills with the trotters until aba started.
    
    Big name for ABL was signing of Jerry Lucas the Larry Bird (to make a
    comparison people can relate to) of college basketball circa 1960.
    
    btw - was the Fred Lewis of Indiana Pacers the former tarheel Lewis who
    killed BC in 1967 (the original great bc-nc game)?

    The Lewis on UNC was Bob Lewis. I think Fred Lewis played for Loyola of
    Chicago which won the NCAA's in 1963.

>    Connie Hawkins played for two professional basketball teams in
>    Pittsburgh - one of course with Pitt's ABA Pipers the other with the
>    ABL Pitt team.  Jake, can you recall any ABL - Pitt stuff?
    
    you mean the original Dr.J was always a Phoenix Sun??!!

    
>>    Connie Hawkins played for two professional basketball teams in
>>    Pittsburgh - one of course with Pitt's ABA Pipers the other with the
>>    ABL Pitt team.  Jake, can you recall any ABL - Pitt stuff?
    
    Only 2 Pro backsketball teams I remember here was the Pipers and the
    Condors.  Other than that, I never followed pro backsketball, even when
    it was here, so beats me.  Sorry.
    
    JaKe
    

    what's wrong Jake, don't like sports that have athletes participating
    in them?

    Quite the contrary, I do like sports with athletes in them.  To me,
    watching basketballis as exciting as watching ping-pong seated dead
    center.  SUCKS..  Run to the left, slam the ball, run to the right,
    slam the ball, BIG F__KING DEAL!!!  BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING!!!
    SOrta like your notes.
    
    JaKe
    

    
    >><<< Note 85.469 by FRETZ::HEISER "Member:RoyalCanadianKiltedYaksmen" >>>
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    Hope a pissed off scorpion nabs ya under yer kilt, although I doubt if
    they come armed with tweezers and magnifying glasses.
    
    JaKe
    

>	It must be something about Pennsylvania and pro roundball.  For all
>	the excitment and fan following that the local high school teams get,
>	at least that's the way it was and I believe still is around the 
>	'burgh, they can't seem to find a use for pro level.
    
    The way I heard it in Pittsburgh, more people watched the legendary 
    playground version of Connie Hawkins on the hardcourts at Mellon Park 
    (is that the right one? uptown on 5th Avenue well past Pitt; I used to 
    play baseball there, but the memory is going lately) than the one with 
    the Condors.  Ex-UMass great Jim McCoy, Hawkins' nephew, carried on the 
    tradition.  Pittsburgh has some basketball tradition, but they can't 
    keep much of it, even at the college level with Pitt...
    
    glenn
    

    That steenkpot, Chelios?
    
    					Steve

    COffey?

    Year 1, 1967-1968 of the ABA:
    
    Eastern Division:
    
    	Team			Record	...in later years
    1	Pittsburg Pipers 	52-24 	Minnesota Pipers '68
    	  (League Champs)		Pittsburg Condors '69; rip '72
    2	Minnesota Muskies	50-28	Miami Floridians '68; rip '72
    3	Indiana Pacers		38-40	entered NBA in '76
    4	Kentucky Colonels	37-42	rip '76
    5	New Jersey Americans	36-43	New York Nets '68, NBA '76
    
    Western Division:
    
    	Team			Record	...in later years
    1	New Oleans Bucaneers	48-30	Memphis Pros '70, Mephis Tams '72
    					Memphis Sounds '74, Baltimore Claws 
    					'75, rip '75 - 0 games played.
    2	Dallas Chaparrals	46-32	Texas Chaparrals '70, Dallas
    					Chapparals '71, San Antonio Spurs '73, 
    					NBA '76
    3	Denver Rockets		45-33	Denver Nuggets '74, NBA '76
    4	Houston Mavericks	29-49	Carolina Cougars '69, 
    					St Louis Spirits '74
    5	Anaheim Amigos		25-53	Los Angeles Stars '68, Utah Stars
    					'70, rip '75 after 16 games
    6	Oakland Oaks		22-56	Washington Caps '69, Virginia
    					Squires '70
    
    The San Diego Conquistadors entered the league in '72, became the San
    Diego Sails in '75, folded after 12 games in '75.
    

    There is a legendary playground story of the meeting between Wilt and
    Connie Hawkins where Hawkins blocked a Wilt shot getting the big man's
    serious attention.  Theron Wilt started playing serious and Connie
    later noted something to the effect of (I'll never get him mad at me
    again).
    
    Wilt was one of Hawkins big supporters talent wise.  Hawkins was barred
    from nba not for ever committing a (gambling relating) crime, being
    accussed in any way with gambling,shaving etc but for simply knowing an
    alleged gambler.
    
    He had borrowed money from (Molino or something like that) to pay back
    money from IOWA targeted for tuition.  When he finally had some money
    to hire a lawyer he sued NBA for 6mil and nba settled by allowing him
    to play for one of their minor league clubs.

>>    What defenseman led the NHL in scoring lasted season? 
    
    Don Sweeney at the 99?
    
    MikeL
    

    Connie still works in the Suns organization today.  He's a spokesperson
    and does a lot of charity work on behalf of himself and the team.

>    So that's who writes all those letters of apology on behalf of Charles
>    and KJ.
    
    Not only do you exaggerate too much, but you base it on lies.
    
    Kev, start up one of those 900 numbers like Tonya's henchmen did.

    Did Connie Hawkins play the memorable triple at at Boston in '76?
    
    Or had he retired? He'd been playing since 1960 or thereabouts.  

    >    Did Connie Hawkins play the memorable triple at at Boston in '76?
    
    I'm not sure either, but I'd guess he was retired by then.  That
    Phoenix team had Dick Van Arsdale, Alvin Adams, Paul Westphal, Ricky
    Sobers, Garfield Heard, Curtis Perry, ... can't think of any more.

    Gee... Thanks KAREN..... I finally know an answer and you send me mail
    with the answer.... And yes, I'll post the answer later if no one
    gets it...
    
    REK

    Kellen Winslow?
    

    
    Charlie Joyner?

    Lance Alworth?

 Johnny Jefferson

    Pete Holohan?
    
    

    Winslow... 89...
    
    REK

nope...

 Jefferson caught 95 one year.......

mike

better check your sources.......

;^)

    Did I tell you J. Jefferson went to ASU?

    1977?

    1976

    Here's an NCAA tournament question: The Big 10 lost two regional finals 
    this weekend,but one time a confernce sent three teams to the regional
    finals only to see them all lose:
    
    Name the year,the conference,the teams and the winning teams.(8
    possible points).

    I will guess Big East - year (guess) 1983.  Teams: St Johns,Georgetown
    and Syracuse.
    
    	St Johns lost to Georgia I believe and Syracuse to (? ACC or SEC -
    Clemson and Florida possibly)
    
    	Georgetown ...   ?

KBD, Your sources are fine, it was friday I was just bustin' em'.........

;^)

    so if St. Johns did lose to Georgia in regionals in '83 what big east
    team also lost that same weekend and to (as I recall) Fla or Clemson?

    BC lost to UVa in the West semis. NCST beat UVA.
    I think Georgetown was ousted by Memphis State(Keith Lee).  
    Houston beat Memphis State.
    Lousiville beat Kentucky(Sam Bowie) in overtime to gain a final 4 slot
    and as mentioned Georgia dusted St Johns and UNC in the east.
    
    Clemson upset some high seed the year they lost at the buzzer to Uconn
    in the east regionals at the Meadowlands,but that was 1989.

    Here is a little math trivia - inconsequentially easy for you heavy
    hitters but may be a challenge for your young children :-)
    
    A certain team near and dear is having a great inning except for a certain
    hall of famer.  Seems that while the rest have reached base in each of
    their at bats, old (lets call him George) has made an out each time.
    
    Now he has a chance to acheive certain hall of fame status by making
    three outs in one inning.
    
    What is the minimum number of runs already scored?
    
    Now, strangely this actually happened.  Anybody care to guess the
    batter, total number of runs scored that inning?
    
    Answers tomorrow

    13 runs?

    
    assume he leads off the inning. So he is batter 1,10,19 in the inning.
    As batter #19, there are 2 outs, 3 men on base, this batter at the
    plate.
    
    19-6 = 13
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    trick answer:  if the batter strikes out, but the cather drops the
    ball, the batter safely makes it to 1st, he is out but safe 8^) 
    therefore one batter can make 3 outs in an inning and the team still
    have 0 outs and have scored lots of runs 8^)
    
    Marc
    

re: .514

yabbut the question was about minimum runs scored :-)

The Crazy Met

    Walt and Tcm are right.  Marc, out is out as the bouncer said to the
    Whaler...
    
    Now who is George?
    
    billsmap

    
    
    Edmonton Oilers.  Around '79?
    
    Jerry

    I forgot to put the answer into my "3 outs in an inning" extra credit
    answers.
    
    George Kell, a hofer played for the sox on the '53 team that had the 17
    runs.  Gene Stevens made trivia history be getting 3 hits but george
    had a shot a 3 outs but doubled.
    
    Yes, met, sprots most august personnage was at the game.  It was ladies
    day and my brother and I took mom since kids could get in for 50 cents
    if they brought a woman - it was ladies day (will anachronisms ever
    cease).
    
    17 runs in one inning makes for a long inning.

    Well Karen if you look at the first year of NHL expansion,
    didn't four teams qualify? St. Louis, Philly, Minny, and
    Pitt?  I believe all expansion teams made up the Western(??)
    Division of the NHL back in 68, n'est-ce-pas?
    
    MikeL
    

    Here's an E-Z one.
    Name three players who competed in postseason college tournaments whose
    fathers played for the Philly 76ers.

    I don't think you're thinking of him but Matt Guokas' father played in
    nba and perhaps with a Philly team but of course it would have been the
    Warriors not 76ers.  Former of course migrated to sanfran and chiefs
    became warriors.
    
    And Danny Schayes father player for chiefs.

    Philadelpha Flyers - 1971?
    
    Mark.

    re: former 76ers kids
    
    The sons of Wali Jones (for Kansas State, I think) and Doug Collins
    (for Duke) played in tournney's this year, but I can't come up with the
    third.
    
    Dennis Faust
    

    Answer to .521
    
    The three sons of sixers are:
    
    Askia Jones-Kansas Sate (Wali)
    Chris Coilins-Duke (Doug)
    Luke Jackson-Sysracue (Luke)

    Here's another 1:
    
    One final four in the last 15 years-contained three coaches who have
    taken more than one school to the final 4. The only one who hasn't
    taken two schools was an assistant at a sch0ol that had plenty of final
    4 experience.
    
    Clues for the others: One made the final four at his second school for
    the second time this year. One had just taken another school three
    years previous. The third would win a national title with his second
    school while just missing in the case.
    
    Name each coach (1 point for each) total 4
    Name the year: 1 point
    Name the teams each coach took that year and the other team they had
    taken to the final four:(1 point for each) total 6
    
    Total 11 points.

    Lenny Wilkens

    Re .527
    
    1988
    Lute Olson Arizona, Iowa
    Larry Brown Kansas, UCLA
    Billy Tubbs, OU
    
    Maybe???
    

Murph,

Love that p_name - how long does it last??

The Crazy Met

    Gone now...
    
    Murph
    

coming from someone who roots for the hapless Cubs that p_name is precious.

The Crazy Met

    Since I only got one guess,here's the answer:
    
    The year 1980:
    The winning team Louisville coached by Denny Crum who experienced quite
    a few final fours while an assistant at UCLA and would have succeeded
    Wooden had he stayed.
    
    The losers in the finals were UCLA coached by the nomadic Larry Brown
    who later won it all at Kansas in 1988.
    
    The semifinal losers were Iowa coached by Lute Olsen who was back this
    year.
    The other semifinalist was Purdue coached by Lee Rose,who three years
    earlier had coached UNC Charlotte into the nation semis where they lost
    on a layup at the buzzer to Marquette.
    
    Can anyone remember the Marquette player who made the buzzer beater?
    
    

    What team holds the NBA record for the most consecutive years in the
    playoffs and how many years in a row did they do it?
    
    

    The Lskers with 21 about to end this year.

    Are you sure that the Lakers have made it 21 straight years!  That
    doesn't sound right to me.
    
    Glen.

    Well, Glen, according to the folks in the Basketball notesfile, it
    ain't the Trailblazers.

|    When was the lasted time the LAKings missed the playoffs?

The year before Wayne-O came to play wif them?

    
    The last time the LA Kings missed the playoffs was the year before they
    moved to Sacremento 8^)
    
    Marc
    

      Didn't the kings come from KC?

...when they were the Royals?

    Ron Tugnutt against the Broons when he was with Quebec.
    
    Mark.

    If Dave is still looking for the marquette trivia answer, I'm still
    guessing...

    I thought it might have been Jerome Whitehead?
    

|    Curtis Joseph was the goalie who faced the most shots lasted season 
|    (2,202), setting an NHL record...


He and Darcy Wakaluk were unconscious yesterday, in the St. Louis/Dallas
game.   It ended 2-2, and I couldn't have been happier after the stellar
goaltending in net.


btw, have I mentioned today that Jon Casey SUCKS?

    trivia guess.
    
    Is it Bernie Kosar ??????
    
    
    
    
    Tom

 big football fan that he is I'll bet TG didn't know Bernie held the record
 before he moved to Sowland despite the fact that TV analysists hoped on it
 every week....

 who's record did break? I know do you?

 mike

        Name the only 2 franchises (sp) in the NBA that have a career
    record of over .500 on the road...

    1 team is still active and the other team had been disbanded and
    the players were dispersed to other teams..

    REK

 anybody who cares to answer KBD, but mostly my buddy Tom........

 mike

    I think Milt Plum once had that record (old brownie from jim brown
    days).
    
    On nba question I would guess two red auerbach coached teams:
    
    boston celtics and washington capitals
    
    And a question I don't have answer for:  has any bruin goaltender ever
    won the Vezina trophy?

Bert Jones?

>    And a question I don't have answer for:  has any bruin goaltender ever
>    won the Vezina trophy?

Frank Brimsek I believe.  Could be wrong, but I think so.....

    The NBA Question, The Celtics is one.... Who is the other?
    
    REK

    MikeyC.
    
    	John Elway?  :*)
    
    	No really, I'd guess Joe Montana......
    
    Claybone

re Broons Goalies and the Vezina:


		Tiny Thompson  1930,1933,1936,1938
		Frank Brimsek  1939,1942
		Pete Peters    1983




Cheevers never won it.....


Before 1982, awarded to goalie who, having played 25 or more games, allowed
the feweset goals.  After 1982, awarded to "outstanding goalie"

 haha Claybone, thanks for the laugh......

 sorry but it ain't Montana....

 I'll drop you a hint....

 if you ain't 30 something, the only way you would have seen this guy
 was in highlight reels.........

 mike

Bart Starr?

Johnny Unitas, probably.....

 too good of clue I guess........

 yes it was good ole Bart Starr......

 294 straight.......

 mike

> too good of clue I guess........
>
> yes it was good ole Bart Starr......
>
> 294 straight.......


Well, you forget that the Packers were my first love when I started 
following football....  It took a while for the question to percolate
down through all the crud in my head, but Starr was GREAT.....


'Saw

    'Saw,
    	You're probably the only one who cares but the "Chicatoumi
    Cucumber" was none other than
    
    	Georges Vezina
    
    		Montreal Canadian goaltender (who died of tuberculosis)
    
    And the aforementioned "Lady" was Byng
    
    	Do you recall the other great goal tender who died (at the end of a
    great career as a player) suddenly?  Some would still say we was best
    ever to appear in Broon net though for a (much too) short time.

> Well, you forget that the Packers were my first love when I started 
> following football....  It took a while for the question to percolate
> down through all the crud in my head, but Starr was GREAT.....

	
   No I didn't forget. How could I with all the times you've referenced
   Vince in here. What was surprising was that you need a clue. Then again
   maybe not......

  many ;^)

 mike

and all this time I thought that "Chicatoumi Cucumber" was
Chiquita Bananas male counterpart.

The Crazy Met

>    	You're probably the only one who cares but the "Chicatoumi
>    Cucumber" was none other than
>    
>    	Georges Vezina

Actually, I did not know that.  I never knew much about Vezina other than
they named the trophy after him and he died of TB.

    
>    And the aforementioned "Lady" was Byng

Whose trophy is for most gentlemanly player....

    
|    	Do you recall the other great goal tender who died (at the end of a
|    great career as a player) suddenly?  Some would still say we was best
|    ever to appear in Broon net though for a (much too) short time.

Terry Sawchuck, arguably the greatest goaltender ever, died as the result
of a car accident, yes?


'Saw

>   No I didn't forget. How could I with all the times you've referenced
>   Vince in here. What was surprising was that you need a clue. Then again
>   maybe not......


Vince Lombardi, arguably the greatest football coach of all time.  

I always need a clue.  My brain was never the same after Maureen's 5 Torr. 8^)


>  many ;^)

Amen.....


'Saw

    SDawchuck was involved in some horseplay with Ron Stewart and died.
    Don't know if it involved automobiles or farm animals for that matter.
    
    MikeL
    

>    Don't know if it involved automobiles or farm animals for that matter.
    
Horse play with farm animals rarely leads to death.  Well, not a quick
death.  It can be a slow lingering death, but that's another story.....    

    The other club was the Chicago Stags....
    
    
    REK

    Assuming WARRIORS is the key, I will go with
    
    Woody Sauldsberry - PHI - 58
    Wilt Chamberlain  - PHI - 60
    Rick Barry        - SF  - 66
    Keith Wilkes      - GS  - 75
    Mitch Richmond    - GS  - 89
    Tim Hardaway      - GS  - 90
    Chris Webber      - GS  - 94 ??

    I wasn't sure of the last two, but Barry is right on.
    
    If I have this correct it went like this with Barry.
    
    Graduated Miami     65
    San Francisco - NBA 65-66 Rookie of the Year
    San Francisco - NBA 66-67 
                        67-68 Sat out/option year
    Oakland       - ABA 68-69
    Washington    - ABA 69-70
    New York      - ABA 70-71
    New York      - ABA 71-72
    Golden St     - NBA 72-73
    Golden St     - NBA 73-74
    Golden St     - NBA 74-75
    Golden St     - NBA 75-76
    Golden St     - NBA 76-77
    Golden St     - NBA 77-78
    Houston       - NBA 78-79
    Houston       - NBA 79-80
    
    

    
    Taylor.

    Phil Jackson?
    

 Downtown Freddy Brown.............

    Sonics.... McDaniel? Ellis?
    
    REK

    Spencer Haywood?
    

    >    Mikey's correct.  Fred Brown - 58 points.
    
    Probably be more if they had the trey in Downtown's day.  He had
    "In-the-gym" range like Majerle.

    
    
    Doc Gooden?

    And a Stankee fan knew that. Chap, sure you're not really a closet NY
    METS fan??
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    
    
        That would have to be a deeeeeeeeeeep closet.
    
    Chap

    What is the westernmost state in U.S.?
    
    Hint:  Which is furthur east: Westernmost part of U.S. or Easternmost
    part of New Zealand

    
    Speaking of Doc and trivia, two washed up near greats went at it last
    night Doc and Hershiser.  Remember when people thought both of these
    guys were shoo ins for the HoF?
    
    brews

    Right on ttom,
    		And West of eastern tip of NZ lies Aleutians

    
    
    Larry Nance?

    Scott Wedman?
    
    REK

    I would say Lenny Wilkens, though with the majority coming from St.
    Louis and Seattle

    I mean Cleveland has the same obscurity factor as the Kings in hockey.
    
    Bagley played on the team coached by George Karl that took bird etal to
    6 in the 80s (Karl made a serious blunder in finale at cleveland). That
    team must have had a reasonable player.
    
    Mark Price - He's a cavalier

    
    
    Ernie Banks.  Or did he hit enough as a short stop?
    
    j/

    Cal Ripkin?
    
    REK

This might not be a nice thing to say, but I hope Cal gets hurt
sometime between now and next July......

    
> This might not be a nice thing to say, but I hope Cal gets hurt
> sometime between now and next July......
    
    At which point you'd probably start calling him "Part-Time Cal"...
    
    ;-)
    
    glenn
    

>    At which point you'd probably start calling him "Part-Time Cal"...
    
I'd call him Saint Cal if he doesn't break Lou Gehrig's record....

'Saw
    

    
    
    
    Yeah I wouldn't find seeing him with an appendacitis attack either.
    
    Chap

Yeah, how fake was Patrick Roy's (pronounced Roy) appendicitis attack.

Personally, I think he had the clap, that's why he was getting the
antibiotics.....

    Hey I'm no Doctor VinnieBoombatz but I never heard of acute
    appendicitis being cured by anti-biotics and hospital rest.
    Any quacks out there that know what up?
    
    MikeL
    

    What hockey player is hockey hall of fame but never played in nhl
    
    Hint, he was a tiger of a football player too

    I beleive that appendicitis is an inflammation of the appendix caused
    by an infection, so it doesn't seem that unreasonable that if detected
    early enough, it could be treated by antibiotics.

Patrick had the clap.....

    Welcome back laddie,
    Now since you answered, you must be the resident quack; we all know
    you're daffy because you play rugby..
    
    I realize that appendicitis can be treated with medication but I was
    asking about acute, acute being the operative word, appendicitis.
    Through my lack_a-knowledge about physiology, I assumed that *acute*
    was to be interpreted as "ready to burst" as in "most definitely
    operable"?? I await with bated breath, Dr Welby... 8^)
    
    MikeL
    
    

    I don't see why peoples makes such a big deal out of a longstanding
    record being broken, and not wanting to see it done. 
    
    Like Hank Aaron getting death threats trying to affect him when he was
    ready to break that fat Yankie's HR record.
    
    If a guy is good enuf to play that long, let him have the freakin'
    record.  
    
    Did these same whiners piss and moan when Rose was ready to break
    CObb's all-time hit record?????
    
    JaKe
    

and of course 'saw and lots of other folks forget that there were a bunch
of times where Gehrig started the game and left after the first inning
just to keep his streak alive.

The Crazy Met

    
    Re .629
    
>    I don't see why peoples makes such a big deal out of a longstanding
>    record being broken, and not wanting to see it done. 
    
>    Like Hank Aaron getting death threats trying to affect him when he was
>    ready to break that fat Yankie's HR record.
    
>    If a guy is good enuf to play that long, let him have the freakin'
>    record.  
    
    I think the biggest problems people have with Cal's attempt at the
    record are:
    
    1) It would take it away from Lou Gehrig, and
    
    2) He publicly states that it's not his primary goal, when every
       action he takes indicates that it is.
    
    Another interesting sidebar is the speculation, backed up by a fair
    amount of convincing data, about how much better Ripken's numbers
    would be if he sat down 10 games a year.  I think another group
    that doesn't want to see him break the record are those who are
    upset that he hasn't done what's best for his team by going for
    "the streak"
    
    Joe
    

Well put Joe.

'Saw

    
    
      I think he oughta do everything he can to get the record,
    even if it means his BA could be .10 points higher.
       (that's Batting Average, not Blood Alcohol)
       
      I mean, if we can praise some half dead senator
    being wheeled (emergency room entourage included) into
    the Senate so as not to miss a vote, then 
    Cal Ripken going for Ol' Lous  record oughta
    be the least of our worries.
    
    
     
    
    

    I consider the backlash against the breaking of these kinds of records
    to be a failure to recognize and salute the legends of the game in 
    their own time.  Ripken, while not as great a ballplayer as Gehrig on 
    the alltime scale, is certainly one of those legends, one of the 
    greatest shortstops of all time.  Not only that, his exemplary
    character is entirely within the traditions set by a great man like 
    Gehrig.  Setting this record in no way detracts from Gehrig's legacy...
    
    glenn
    

>    I consider the backlash against the breaking of these kinds of records
>    to be a failure to recognize and salute the legends of the game in 
>    their own time.  Ripken, while not as great a ballplayer as Gehrig on 
>    the alltime scale, is certainly one of those legends, one of the 
>    greatest shortstops of all time.  Not only that, his exemplary
>    character is entirely within the traditions set by a great man like 
>    Gehrig.  Setting this record in no way detracts from Gehrig's legacy...
    
True, but I still hope he gets a Patrick Roy (pronounced Roy) case
of appendicitis before nexted July.....8^)

    
      Gee, Saw', you're nothing if not flexible (read: wishy-washy).

>      Gee, Saw', you're nothing if not flexible (read: wishy-washy).

Nah, not flexible or wishy-washy.  Just evaluated what Glenn had to
say, agreed on some points, but, at the heart of the matter, I'm 
hoping that ol Cal breaks a leg, or catches Oscar in his zipper, cuts
a finger, has an anal abcess or anything that will make him miss
one game...


'Saw

    Looks like I'm going to have to wear my Ripken #8 T-shirt to the next
    get-together and set this thing straight, dammit...
    
    glenn
    

>
>    Looks like I'm going to have to wear my Ripken #8 T-shirt to the next
>    get-together and set this thing straight, dammit...
>    


Well, we'll see how ol' Cal does against my friends Vinny and Guido....8^)    

    The barrage of guesses sent to my personal account ranged from Pierre
    Marquette to Tom Glavine and over to Richie Hebner.
    
    But Hobie Baker is the Princeton Hockey, Football player who is in the
    Hockey Hall of Fame.  He is also one of the great collegiate football
    stars of his era, a great punter when that phase of the game was
    critical.
    
    In both sports he had Frank Merriwell type famous plays to save the
    Tigers.  I'll have to "look it up"(trivia - who made that phrase
    famous?) if this note generates an explosion of interest in sports
    antiquity.
    
    Finally, in the finest Merriwell tradition Baker was a WWI flying ace
    seeing heroic action in France.  Then when the war had ended he died on
    a routine training flight.
    
    Billte

    
    
    Hecter Carrasco  0.93
    
    
    
    Chap

>    Lee Smith is correct...  his career era is 2.91.

Why can't the Red Sox get a guy like that?????

too bad I couldn't guess the lottery numbers like I can this trivia stuff...

mike

>                 -< 3 out 5 last night though 10 bucks woopie >-
>
>
>too bad I couldn't guess the lottery numbers like I can this trivia stuff...

You're not old enough.

As /Don would tell you, the lottery is fixed so that the  big payouts
go to folks between the ages of 75 and 80, with the idea that they'll
never collect all of the money....8^)


'Saw

    so true..so true..
    
             stig

    
    
    Clemens   '86
    Rice      '78
    Yaz       '67
    Willimams '47 (I know he lost to Joe D in 41 56 >> .406 and one other
    time because he was a mean SOB to the press but he may have one it
    another time)
    
    Jerry

    Freddie Lynn, '75 MVP & RotY

Uhhh

Clemens
Rice
Lynn
Yastremski
Williams
Jenson
Foxx

    Jackie Jensen was my favorite player when I was a kid.  My mom loved
    Ted Williams, but I was always partial to Jensen.  His two biggest
    claims to fame were his fear of flying and his rocky marraige to
    Olympic swimmer Zo Ann something.
    
    NAZZ

>    claims to fame were his fear of flying and his rocky marraige to
>    Olympic swimmer Zo Ann something.              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    

Does that mean he beat her like a side of beef?


8^)

    >    Freddie Lynn, '75 MVP & RotY

    	Who was the first free agent that the BoSox signed?

|  	Who was the first free agent that the BoSox signed?

Bill Campbell...

    	Nope.  He was a pitcher though.