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Title:Sports 93-96 Archive. No new notes allowed
Notice:Chainsaw's last standSPORTS_97
Moderator:HBAHBA::HAAS
Created:Mon Jan 11 1993
Last Modified:Tue Apr 15 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:302
Total number of notes:117855

286.0. "The Economic Theory of Sports" by CLUSTA::MAIEWSKI (Bos-Mil-Atl Braves W.S. Champs) Wed Aug 28 1996 16:07

                       <<< Note 279.70 by BSS::NEUZIL >>>

>On this particular subject you're full of it.  If you didn't try to sound like
>an expert on most things I wouldn't have bothered with this. 

  Funny, you put in definitions that sound almost exactly what I typed in from
memory then conclude that I'm wrong.

  You define Micro Economics this way:

    Microeconomics - a study of economics in terms of individual areas of
                     activity (as a firm, household, or prices)

  I said:

    When it comes to economics, free market means entities (public or private)
    competing within a larger space that none of them controls. This is called
    micro economics. 

  Both imply individuals operating within a larger economic space.

  You define Macro Economics this way:

    Macroeconomics - a study of economics in terms of whole systems esp. with 
    reference to general levels of output and income and to the interrelatios 
    among sectors of the economy

  I said:

    A controlled economy is one in which the government puts heavy restrictions
    or actually controls the entities within it's jurisdiction by law.

  What I described is studied by looking at the whole system, not just at
individual institutions like cities and teams.

  George
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286.1CAM::WAYand keep me steadfastWed Aug 28 1996 16:121
So for this drivel we need a new note?
286.2OLD1S::CADZILLA2Are you a Turtle?Wed Aug 28 1996 16:211
    Kill it before it multiply's
286.3Why do I bother with this guy?BSS::NEUZILWed Aug 28 1996 16:2310

	George, you threw in Gov't intervension as an intricate part of your
	definition of macroeconomics.  Gov't controls (or intervension) can
	happen under either.  And I agree with 'Saw, no new note needed.  I'm
	done with this one.

	Kevin

	
286.4CLUSTA::MAIEWSKIBos-Mil-Atl Braves W.S. ChampsWed Aug 28 1996 22:0032
RE                        <<< Note 286.3 by BSS::NEUZIL >>>

>And I agree with 'Saw, no new note needed.  >I'm done with this one.

  I had pretty much stopped debating this but when you chose to fire up the
debate again I moved it here so that Raven fans could talk football in their
note. I don't see why the moderators would be against that. If they are against
the topic in general then you are just as much to blame as I am so stop playing
the innocent with those "here's the last point why do you make me do this"
type arguments.

>	George, you threw in Gov't intervension as an intricate part of your
>	definition of macroeconomics.  Gov't controls (or intervension) can
>	happen under either.  

  No, you quoted me out of context. If you go back and look at what we were
originally debating is was not the definition of economic terms, it was the
reasons why cities pay out money to buy teams away from other cities.

  The reason for discussing those terms was that Tommy claimed that there was
no free market and he gave 3 reasons. Two had nothing to do with the city/team
relationship. The 3rd was that because this is a government subsidy it is not
a free market.

  That point sounds to me like an argument of macro economics where people
are debating the economic impact of government spending. My point is that
the city of Baltimore is more of an individual as described by your definition
of micro economics regardless whether the spending is publicly funded. The
market competing for teams is better described by micro economics with the
cities as individuals hence it behaves like a free market.

  George
286.5CAM::WAYand keep me steadfastThu Aug 29 1996 12:1811
>  I had pretty much stopped debating this but when you chose to fire up the
>debate again I moved it here so that Raven fans could talk football in their


George never met a debate he didn't like, or one he could refuse.

He suffers from Last Word Syndrome.....


'Saw

286.6Subsequent acts in war moral, act of war was notMKOTS3::BREENFri Aug 30 1996 15:1610
    This is all about Baltimore Groaner, set it back to nowrite later if
    you choose.
    
    Baltimore could take the defense that a state of war existed between
    them and the nfl and all it's cities at the point of the theft of the
    Colts.  Their theft was similar to the bombing of Tokyo which had its
    link to Pearl Harbor.
    
    By taking a team from the nfl they forced the nfl to sue for peace. 
    Their act they could argue was as moral as any act of war.
286.7ROCK::GRONOWSKIFri Aug 30 1996 16:463
    
    That note is about Baltimore football, i can give a crap about the
    politics of how the team got there or why.