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>I figure we're going to need one of those trucks that you carry hay bales
>in by the time this week is over... :-)

>GO PACK!
    
    Sounds good to me...
    
    Go Pack!
    
    Joe

    Count me on the bandwagon!
    
    Some radio talk show idiot lasted week axed if'n you'd trade Drew
    Bledsoe for Bret Favre.  My answer was, of course, IN A HEARTBEAT!
    
    Favre roolz!
    
    NAZZ

>                   -< Favre to torch Dallas for 4 TD passes >-

Which of course does not preclude a major Dallas win.

Aikman to Irvin, Aikman to K.Williams, Aikman to Novacek, etc.
See Emmitt run, See Moose block, run, catch.

TTom

    
    	I got a GB ballcap for Christmas from my Sis in Wisconsin.  She
    	also sent me a cheese-wedge beah insulator.  I'm all set.
    
    	Go Pack!
    
    Claybone

>She also sent me a cheese-wedge beah insulator.  I'm all set.

Yes, but do you have the cheese-wedge hat?

    There are so many GB fans around this week I'd swear I live in
    Wisconsin....last week everyone was a Philly fan....its great being
    a Cowboy fan.....

>its great being a Cowboy fan...

Then get out of the Packer bandwagon note, you weasel!   :-)

    The only chance I had to catch Green Bay lately was their loss to Tampa
    Bay when they couldn't get anything going.  Do they use Chmura and
    Jackson at the same time or do they rotate them into the game.  Either
    way those two could keep Dallas honest.
    
    Unfortunately Dallas is relatively healthy and psychologically ready. 
    Ironically it doesn't even look like overconfidence will be a factor.
    I'd say only an injury to Jones or someone in the middle can keep Green
    Bay in this.
    
    Is there a line on Favre finishing the game on two feet (or Aikman)?

    
    
    
       Go Pack!!
    
       Anyone but the CowHores!!!
    
    Chap

    much as i'd like to see jerry jones hurt himself dancing on the
    sidelines, i don't see how that would help the packers.
    
    dr.a
    

>                      -< Dallas will win by at least 17 >-

Don't place any *cash money* on that hope.  GB is a better team than
at any other time they've played each other (last few years).

This game has 2 possible scenarios.

The firsted is a Cowboy blowout. The seconded is a close game won by the
Cowboys.

Indy has a better chance of winning their game being on a kinda mystical
roll, which is the onliest way they win.

TTom

    
    	Nope, no cheese wedge hat.  I wouldn't wear one of them anyway.
    	Gotta draw the line somewhere!  :*)
    
    Claybone

    
    	Has anybody else noticed that Bret Favre pats the ball before he
    passes? The Patriots should make up a Bret Favre highlight tape and
    give it to Bledsoe to watch.
    
    Ron

>Indy has a better chance of winning their game being on a kinda mystical
>roll, which is the onliest way they win.

Wait a minute...the opposition (Pittsburgh) still has Neil O'Donnell as QB.

>Wait a minute...the opposition (Pittsburgh) still has Neil O'Donnell as QB.

I know, there's other ways for the Colts to win and other ways for the
Steelhaids to lose but as I've been saying, it aint gonna happen.

TTom

      I've been on the Packer bandwagon for as long as I've been old
      enough to watch football which is when I was eight years old.
      I am now 37.
    
      No greater team in all of professional sports (imo)!
    
      Man, I sure hope they win.  But, it will be tough.
    
    							Tony

    All you Packer fans need to wake up and apologize for even thinking you
    have a chance on Sunday. I will say this they do have a better team
    then in recent years dating back to 1967 but thats another story. so 
    have your few days of dreaming but come game day it's all BIG "D".
    But you can still watch us wreck shop in the BIG DANCE on SUPERBOWL
    SUNDAY. GB is out of the game by halftime, bet!!!!!!!
    

Another Dallas fan comes out of the woodwork.

Whoopee.

    Dallas  27
    G.B.    17
    
    Steelers  31
    Colts     17
    
    Cowboys win the bowl

>    My predictions... the Steelers are a lock.  After the game, people will
>    be asking how Indianapolis made it as far as they did.  This game won't
>    even be close.  Pittsburgh will be up by 25+ before going into coast
>    mode.
>    
>    Dallas-Green Bay.  It all comes down to which team scores first.  That
>    team will win... I'd like it to be Green Bay.

     Another great Groaner prediction; right up there with his Browns
     predictions for this past year, and his W.S. predictions as well.

	Interesting time stamps on .23 and .24.  Kinda makes you
	wonder about the honesty of some people if it were REALLY important.

RE<<< Note 259.26 by ROCK::GRONOWSKI "I've always been a closet Steeler fan - even though they suck!" >>>

>    There are several approaches to the game.
>    
>    I can use approach #1 - root for a loser at all times (ROLLINS METHOD)
>    I can use approach #2 - wait until all the facts are in to decide
>    							  (GEORGE METHOD)

  Or you could use the 3rd method. #3 - bleat like a billy goat and then when
you lose claim everyone that's ever been a fan of the team that beat you has
just jumped on the band-wagon (the groner method).

  1995, the year the old Boston team beat Cleveland in the World Series.

  George

>    I can use approach #1 - root for a loser at all times (ROLLINS METHOD)

     Let's see, I rooted for the Braves over the Indians; you rooted for the
     Indians against the Braves.  Hmm...

      I'm still one the bandwagon!

Keep the seats warm.  We may need it next year...

    
    I'll stay on too.  Why not; I have, for about the nth straight year,
    no interest in the Super Bowl; until the Modell's are gone and the
    Browns back (hopefully, hopefully as an expansion team), the Pack looks
    like the best choice...
    
    Joe

	Joe, you need to get yerself a Terrible Towel and
	start cheering for the team down the turnpike.



	billl

   
    Packer bandwagoneering kinda went too far for me.  They were an 
    attractive candidate, but you reach a point of overload when there
    are just too many people piling on.  I was rooting for them, though.
    The Colts were the "best" bandwagon underdog candidate this year, 
    I think.
    
    On a related note, if you look around the stores, there's quite a
    bit of Packer merchandise out there.  They've gotten popular (again,
    this can be dangerous, to the sensibilities of the real fans).  But 
    I've looked around, and it's damned hard to find Steeler anything, 
    anymore.  You can, but it's hit or miss.  The glorious history is 
    too far in the past for the current crop of kids to know or care.  
    I have come across some stuff but can't even find a kids' Steeler 
    T-shirt in the Nashua area, for example.  And most places that have 
    a zillion different caps don't have Steelers' ones, or very few.  
    If we're looking for NFL-sponsored conspiracies, maybe the NFL sees 
    that the market for Cowboys' merchandise is saturated, and can 
    capitalize on a large business opportunity with the Steelers.  
    They've got one of the popular colors, for one thing, and unlike 
    some of the faux uniform redesigns (Falcons), always have.
    
    glenn
     

>    I'll stay on too.  Why not; I have, for about the nth straight year,
>    no interest in the Super Bowl; until the Modell's are gone and the
>    Browns back (hopefully, hopefully as an expansion team)

JoeH, call your Mayor's office and tell him to accept a deal with the
city getting the rights to the colors and the name Cleveland Browns.
He's bullsh*tin' about "getting it all", whatever that means.  Do Browns
fans really want anything to do with Modell anymore ?  I doubt it.
The coaches and players change so often in pro sports, just get the
name and unis and get on with your lives.

    
>	Joe, you need to get yerself a Terrible Towel and
>	start cheering for the team down the turnpike.
    
    Oh, I'll be rooting for the Steelers; the thing is, I won't care enough
    to actually watch the game, or anything like that.
    
    Re: JoeG
    
    I _believe_ White's hope is that they can essentially force Modell to
    sell the team.  There's a _lot_ of pressure on Modell now; if the
    Browns are forced to play in Cleveland, they'll be losing money hand
    over fist...
    
    Joe

>>    On a related note, if you look around the stores, there's quite a
>>    bit of Packer merchandise out there.  They've gotten popular (again,
>>    this can be dangerous, to the sensibilities of the real fans).  But 
>>    I've looked around, and it's damned hard to find Steeler anything, 
>>    anymore.  You can, but it's hit or miss.  The glorious history is 
>>    too far in the past for the current crop of kids to know or care.  
>>    I have come across some stuff but can't even find a kids' Steeler 
>>    T-shirt in the Nashua area, for example.  And most places that have 
>>    a zillion different caps don't have Steelers' ones, or very few.  
>>    If we're looking for NFL-sponsored conspiracies, maybe the NFL sees 
>>    that the market for Cowboys' merchandise is saturated, and can 
>>    capitalize on a large business opportunity with the Steelers.  
>>    They've got one of the popular colors, for one thing, and unlike 
>>    some of the faux uniform redesigns (Falcons), always have.
    
     If you want (since I live in the 'burgh) some Steelers stuff, send me
    some VAX Mail and I'll ship it up to ya. Unfortunatly, you will have to
    pay for it (My wife and I both work for Digital so we dont have that
    much money. 8^(  ).  Let me Know....
    
    Eric    
    glenn
     
    

Don't be fooled that merchandise availability can function as an indicator
of fanaticism for any given team.

People are buying stuff because of color and style (and yes, true, partly
because a team may be hot).

The Whalers changed their uniforms a few years back because studies had shown
that the puke green and blue they used were NOT a marketable combination.

The Mighty Ducks and Sharks stuff were huge around here not so long ago, and now
aren't that evident in supply....


'Saw

RE<<< Note 259.37 by ROCK::GRONOWSKI "I've always been a closet Steeler fan - even though they suck!" >>>

>    George says its all right to switch teams up until after the game is
>    over, so there's no need to worry... you can decide after the bowl
>    who "your" team is...
    
  "WAAAAAAAAAAAA, MY TEAM LOST!!!"

  "WAAAAAAAAAAAA, GEORGE IS NOT A FAN EVEN IF HE HAS BEEN ENTERING BRAVES NOTES
IN THE BASEBALL NOTES FILE FOR 6 YEARS!!!!!"

  "WAAAAAAAAAAAA, IT'S NOT FAIR WHEN I CAN'T GLOAT ABOUT MY TEAM WINNING!!!!!"

  "WAAAAAAAAAAAA, A TEAM FROM BOSTON KILLED MY INDIANS"

  "WAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!    WAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!    WAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!"

  Time to grow up Paul and take it like a man.

  Dam I knew it would be hell to pay if his Indians lost.

  George

Well, I mostly concur with the foregoing but in the interest of accuracy I
feel compelled to point out that Paul's Indians were beaten by a team a
very long way "from Boston".

Steve

    .40
    
    That just about sums it up.
    
    
    .41 
    
    Ha! Ha!
    
    
    CHARLEY

RE<<< Note 259.43 by ROCK::GRONOWSKI "I've always been a closet Steeler fan - even though they suck!" >>>

>    First its a couple of years ago, then its 5 years ago, now its 6 years
>    ago... 
    
  Good grief, your really are losing it. Take a look at the mistake you just
made. 

  I never said "a couple of years ago" but you are right, during the World
Series I was saying 5 years ago and now I'm saying 6 years ago. To understand
why take a look at your calendar and see if anything changed along about 19
days ago. 

  Happy New Year Paul,
  George

    
    RE: ROCK::GRONOWSKI
    
    Just out of curiousity, were you using your method or George's method
    last spring/summer during the hockey playoffs when you switched teams
    more times than a hooker says "50 bucks".
    
    Marc
    

>    Since when does 19 days = 1 year?

When you're a little closer to the sun...

    How many of you Green Bay fans remember back in 1985/86 when the Chicago
    Bears were on their way back to their second superbowl with Jim McMahan
    at the helm.  We went to Green Bay and you had a player by the name of
    Charles Martin who did an illegal, dirty hit on the quarterback. 
    Charles was fined heavy, and suspended for a game for the illegal hit.
    Jim was out the rest of the season.  That is when Ditka brought in Doug
    Flutie.  It seems some of you have short memory when it comes to who
    plays dirty/illegal.  The hit in Dallas was not illegal, there was no
    fine, suspension.  Any comments?

>    How many of you Green Bay fans remember back in 1985/86 when the Chicago
>    Bears were on their way back to their second superbowl with Jim McMahan
>    at the helm.

That team was no sure bet for a 2nd consecutive SB, with or without McMahon.
I don't believe McMahon was out for the season either.

What's this got to do with Williams hit on Jurkovic ?

    >> That team was no sure bet for a 2nd consecutive SB, with or 
    >> without McMahon.
    
       They sure weren't with the Giants going 14-2 on the season and 
       ripping through the NFC playoffs.

      re: .49
    
      It was one of the worst cheap shots I have ever seen
      in my life.
    
      What's your point?
    
    						Tony

    The point is to distrac everyone from the issue that is being
    discussed, that being the dirty cheapshotting play of the Cowboys....
    It's a very old tactic, bring up something that doesn't relate at all
    and hope to distract people. That's what you do when the facts have you
    nailed to the wall. 

    With three concussions already in Aikmans medical record it probably
    would be wise for the 'boys to work out a truce prior.  Who is that
    Cowboy backup anyway, if Switzer is on the ball he'd be giving him some
    snaps what with an extra week.

    
    Wade Wilson is the backup if I'm not mistaken........

      I'M JUMPING ON IT AGAIN, BABY!!!

 This time Thigpen won't drop the ball, TONY!!!

 ;^)

mc

      ;-)
    
      Tomszak probably won't get it to him anyway!

     I heard that some of the lounge lizards in this conference were 
missing me, so I figured that one last visit was OK.

     How 'bout dem Cheese-Boys?  I kinda hoped they would murder the 
Pasties the way the Broncos did, but this was quite sufficient.  The 
game was a little iffy earlier-on, but a little divine intervention
made sure that things went the way they should.

     Adios to ya, fellas.  The time has come for the Digital chapter
of my life to come to a close.  I'm leaving the high-and-dry beauty 
of Colorado Springs to live on the Wet-and-wild California coast.

     I hope they get Bronco games out there...

                                  Greg

  Congrats to the Packers fans. The Pack played about as well as I've ever
seen a superbowl winner play. No mistakes and on their side they made things
happen.

  George

    .     I heard that some of the lounge lizards in this conference were
    .missing me, so I figured that one last visit was OK.
    
    We would have preferred more, but that's cool.
    
    Good luck with the new jobs/new digs!  But I'll never know why you
    hope they'll get Bronco games - how many times can you have your
    heart broken?  :-)

    Congrats to Tony, the only true Packer backer in here.

>
>    Congrats to Tony, the only true Packer backer in here.
>

Yep, that's true.

I've shared some e-mails with Tony over the past couple of weeks, and he lives
and dies with the Pack like I live and die with the Giants.

When the Giants won their first Super Bowl is was after a thirty year drought.
I know full well what Tony is feeling this morning 8^)

    re. "live and die Giants"
    
    Mostly the latter 'Saw.  Bldg 19 has become a new source for cheap
    books and the Frank Gifford story is among them for a couple bucks.
    The selling point is supposed to be mnf and Kathy Lee but for me the
    Giants teams of 1956-1963 was the reason for reading.
    
    Funny account of Frank getting treated by the "Cocaine Doctor" who
    among many famous clients counted General Patton.  And the Hollywood
    Marijuana parties of the 40s and early 50s.  All this before political
    correctness.
    
    
    Billte
    
    Oh, congratulations to the Packers.  You came and played hard and did
    the little things and the big things and your big and little people and
    coaches and fans all came through.

    Guess my 57-3 or 9-6 prediction sipped...  per ususal.  Musta been
    because Jeanne Dixon passed away.

It was mostly dying with the Giants.

As I said, I started watching football and immediately gravitated to the
Packers (because I thought they were cool) and the Giants (they were on a lot).
There was hardly a Sunday afternoon in our household that didn't hear the
strains of "Confidence" as the CBS broadcast opened and I watched as much as I
could.  

I'll never forget the season that the Giants had a chance to make the playoffs
heading into their last game against the Rams.  They had started the season 0-3
and then reeled of six straight wins against the Eagleles, Paths, Cards, Jets,
Cowboys, and 'Skins.  Into the final game they were 9-4, and we were SO
excited.  We watched them get annihilated 31-3 by the Rams on the final day,
and they lost the playoff spot on tiebreakers.


It was tough.  And it was just a harbinger of things to come as we sat through
the lousy teams of the 70s and then the early 80s before George Young came
along and drafted Sims and Taylor, and then picked Parcells.

Packers were just as bad some of those years, too.

    
    Simply not true.  I'm as true a Packers fans as half of the people who
    wore Pats shirts and hats yesterday.

      Say thanks a million Mike and 'Saw!!
    
      I truly am content for the rest of my life in so far as sports
      fannage goes.  I was nine years old when the Packers last won,
      but that is kind of young.  I remember that I watched some games,
      but not all of them.  I remember Travis Williams breaking 2 TD's
      against the Browns (kickoff returns) that year (score was something 
      like 55-7) as well as an unusual night game against the Cardinals 
      and very close regular season losses against the Colts and Rams 
      who both finished the season 11-1-2.
    
      I remember going Christmas shopping with my ma while the mighty
      Rams were playing the Pack.  The game wasn't on TV (in Milwaukee?).
      I didn't understand.  The Pack won 28-7.  And of course I did watch
      the Ice-Bowl game.
    
      I dedicated myself to watch every Packer game in '68 and I was the
      youngest kid in my neighborhood to watch all the games.  "Tony,
      let's go out and play football?"  "No, I gotta watch the Pack!"
      I even drove with my dad to Rubicon at my great aunt's house to
      see the games that were played in Milwaukee and thus blacked out 
      there.
    
      In '68 I remember the 2nd game was blacked out as it was in Milw.
      They lost to the Vikings 19-7.  Losing was inconceivable to me as
      I went in my bedroom and cried.
    
      So, from the time I really started watching them ('68), its been
      a long haul.
    
      And there were some dreary years.  I remember the year the Pack
      opened the season losing to the Lions 40-0.  Greg Landry, the 
      Lions QB, had an 80 yard run from scrimmage (!!).
    
      True, the Bucks did win in '71, but that's not the same as the 
      Pack and that was also a long time ago (wow, two years removed
      from Jabbar being at UCLA).
    
      Anyway, I really am content and I think I am for life.  If they
      never win again, I'll be happy.  They did it while I still have
      some mental powers!  Can analyze things/really take it in.  In
      '67, I was pretty young.
    
      So, thanks again Mike and 'Saw.  I really appreciate it.
    
    						Tony
    
               

Don't mention it Tony.

Being the same age (give or take a year) we have to stick together.  Besides, I
remember what I felt like when the Giants won it all in 1986-87.  Enjoy it, it
is sweet.....


'Saw

all's it's good for is trash talking. means gatz in the circle of life.......

mc

>
>all's it's good for is trash talking. means gatz in the circle of life.......
>
>mc


I disagree.  Little ups like your team winning a championship are similar to
catching a beautiful sunset, finishing a good book where the very last line is
the most powerful of all, or spying a doe and fawn at the edge of a wood at
dawn.

They don't mean a lot in themselves, but somehow they enrich your life.

JMHO though ;^)

      I haven't been following much sports lately.  A friend here
      at work just told me that Gilbert Brown signed with the Jaguars.
      Is he jerking my chain or did it really happen???
    
    						Tony

Tony,

I saw the rumor/report but I haven't seen it confirmed yet.

The only big ones I've seen are Chad Brown getting lost in Seattle and
Jeff George signing for gazillions with the Raiders who had to dump their
whole team to make room under the cap.

TTom

      So there's hope.
    
      If the Pack loses Brown, with the ends getting that much older,
      well, things look a lot less rosy for the future.
    
    						Tony

    
    Gilbert Brown re-signs with the Packers...
    
    
    glenn
    

      YEAH!  THANKS GLENN!!

      Oh, I don't know Mike...
    
      Favre drops back, he throws to...
    
    		Brooks, Freeman, Rison, Jackson, Chmura.
    
      Which one???  OK, I exagerate, but we're talking the best
      pass receiving set of ALL TIME!!!
    
      Vegas likes the Pack by the way.
    
      We'll see...
    
    					Tony

    .      Which one???  OK, I exagerate, but we're talking the best
    .      pass receiving set of ALL TIME!!!
    
    It appears that either Hal or MairB is noting from another account.
    
    I'm impressed that you were able to say that you were exaggerating,
    then proceed to do it.
    

    Can you imagine this team with a healthy Sterling Sharpe?  They
    might've even beat the Cowboys this year and not have the asterisk next
    to their first Super Bowl in 30 years!

I don't think it was all that coincidental that the Packers stepped up to
the nexted level when they Sterling left.

From all accounts he was a bigger pain in the ass than Andre Rison ever
was. Supposedly, Favre went to the powers that be and told 'em that they
din't need ol' Sterling as long as Brooks was around.

TTom

    
    
    Enjoy it while you can. Free agency and salary cap will take it's toll
    in the future. Those guys with the rings will now be out for money and
    not the team.

      Good one Mike!
    
      I'm not going to guarantee they would have won, but I truly
      think they would have been favored in the postseason at
      Lambeau.
    
      When I meant exagerrating, I meant that Favre couldn't throw
      to any one of all of them at one time.  I did suggest this
      might be the best complete package of receivers of all time.
    
      Perhaps the Raiders though with Branch/Biletnekoff/can't think
      of the TE.
    
      For a whole package, this is awfully good.
    
    						Tony

    They must've gone home or we'd be hearing Swann and Stallworth.
    
    Then again, they had Bradshaw hurling the ball.
    
    Who was that tight end?  Where is Billl Long?
    
    Redskins had some pretty good passing arrays, Fouts to Kelvin Winslow
    et co, Marino's gang, Montana to Rice...

    
>    They must've gone home or we'd be hearing Swann and Stallworth.
    
    Shaddup already, billte... ;-)
    
    
    glenn
    

      Oh, I definitely thought of the Redskins trio.  Jurgenson to
      Charley Taylor, Bobby Mitchell, and Jerry Smith.  But, I don't
      think Smith was quite up there with other TE's.  For a three
      set, I think that Raider one was right up there.  49'ers with
      Rice/Taylor/Frank (I think)/Craig/Rathman was pretty awesome.
    
    						Tony

>    Who was that tight end?  Where is Billl Long?

For some of the heydays it was Bennie Cunningham from Clemson.

I really don't remember billl on that Steelhaid team but there's a lot
I've forgotten and/or never really knew...

TTom

    
    
    Jerry Smith  played for the Cardinals and Cowboys no Redskins

    "Stone Hands" Smith - at least when it counted.

      Tony, I think you're let the Pack winning the SB in the
     watered down NFL go to your head. They don't have the
     best receiving corps in history. It might not even be
     the best in the league *now*. It wasn't your receiving
     corps that won the SB. It was a washed-up receiver but
     kick returner par excellence that did the Patsies in. 
     The vintage 49ers, this recent Cowboys dynasty, the
     pass happy Chargers teams and the list goes on and on
     of teams that have better receiving corps than the Pack.
     They probably don't even crack the top twenty all-time.
     There ain't a future HoFer in that receiving corps.

It was Jackie Smith that helped the Cowboys choke a SB

      Thats right.  It was Jackie Smith who played for the Cardinals
      and the Cowboys.
    
      Jerry Smith was a TE for the Redskins.  He was 4th in receptions
      the year the Redskins held 1 (Taylor), 2 (Mitchell), and 3 (Smith).
      By the way, he's the 1st professional athlete I know of who died 
      of AIDS.
    
      Tommy...oh, I'm not really trying to trumpet the Packers.  I realize
      no *individual* receiver cracks any top even 30 list, but the 
      depth is pretty extraordinary.  Brooks/Rison/Freeman/Beebe and
      Chmur/Jackson is an extremely deep set of receivers.
    
    						Tony

    
     >> Tommy...oh, I'm not really trying to trumpet the Packers.  

        If I believe that do you promise to tell me the story
        about the time you and a young Mick Jagger were jammin' 
        and Mick asked you if something was wrong and you said,
        "Gee, Mick I don't know. I try and I try and I try but 
        I can't get no satisfaction." 
        
     >> Brooks/Rison/Freeman/Beebe and Chmura/Jackson is an extremely 
     >> deep set of receivers.
    
        Some good receivers backed up by a bunch of castoffs. The Patsies
        starters are as good as Green Bay's.
    

      You mean I didn't tell you that story???
    
      Well, perhaps I exagerated, but I do like their set of
      receivers and awful lot.

>      Well, perhaps I exagerated, but I do like their set of
>      receivers and awful lot.

Ya got a lot of company when you put it thised way.

TTom

      I didn't have so much the other way I put it, huh TTom???
    
      Alright, I'll acquiesce to the collective brainpower (and
      perhaps less bias in this case) of you folks.
    
    						Tony

if they could get a comparable tight end Detriot's receivers would be better
than Green Bays'. 

mike

      Maybe.  I'll take Moore over Brooks.  But, I think I would
      take Freeman/Rison over Perriman/Morton.
    
    						Tony

Desmond Tutu Moe Howard is gone.

He's signed a 4-year, $6 mil deal with the Raiders.

TTom

    First Jeff George, then Desmond.  Do they have any money to pay anybody
    to block for these guys?
    
    In the NFL its pay a couple of guys big, surround them with low/mid
    priced players, shake well then cross your fingers.
    
    UMDan

      It just wasn't realistic to me that they could keep him.  Too
      much quality depth at WR + cap stringencies and Howard wants
      playing time at WR.
    
      What are ya gonna do???
    
      Easy.  Let him go!
    
    						Tony