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Conference 7.286::atarist

Title:	Atari ST, TT, & Falcon
Notice:	Please read note 1.0 and its replies before posting!
Moderator:	FUNYET::ANDERSON

Created:	Mon Apr 04 1988
Last Modified:	Tue May 06 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	1433
Total number of notes:	10312

410.0. "Assembler Recommendation?" by COMICS::RADBURN (Neanderthal answer to Einstein) Mon Mar 06 1989 07:51

    I am looking around for a good assembler/editor program as I am
    getting quite fd up using the Fast Basic assembler for my use.
    
    The two that spring to mind are the Hisoft Devpac2 V3.0 and the
    Metacomo Assembler V12. These have both had shining reviews in various
    magazines but I was wondering if anyone had actually used them and
    could give me the low down from a user point of view.
    
    I am based in the UK and would also appreciate a price on the
    recommended product.
    
    Cheers,
    Gary.

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
410.1	Have you tried the free stuff?	PRNSYS::LOMICKAJ	Jeff Lomicka	`Mon Mar 06 1989 14:28`	6
	Howabout microemacs (or SEDT) and the JAS assembeler that comes with Sozobon C? It's all free. Are their particular features you need? For example, JAS doesn't have macros. (And you can develop the code on the VAX and download it, if you want to, since Sozobon C runs both on VMS and on the Atari.)
410.2	Wishful thinking list	COMICS::RADBURN	Neanderthal answer to Einstein	`Mon Mar 06 1989 14:53`	16
	Cheers Jeff. I shall look into these. I have not been around the company too long so I was not quite au fait with the free stuff. Facilities that I require are :- An in-built text editor with all the usual features (that operates quite quickly - have you seen search and replace on Protext - pass me the sleeping bag) No bombs to be seen when running code that does what it wants rather than what you expected A good disassembler and trace mechanism Cheers again for your help Gary.
410.3		PRNSYS::LOMICKAJ	Jeff Lomicka	`Tue Mar 07 1989 13:59`	19
	Well, SEDT and Microemacs are both good text editors, but they aren't "built in" to anything. To get a more VAX-like appearance, and therefore a more "built-in" appearance, You will also want a shell of some sort. Lots of people use Gulam. Since I have Mark Williams C, I have no need to bother with any of the PD shells, and therefore can't advise. Regarding your other requirements, It's now clear that it's not just an Assembeler you are looking for, but what most of us call a Debugger. I don't know of any ST debuggers - the Assembeler and Debugger that come with Mark Williams C will meet those requirements, but it is not sold separately. (The whole Mark Williams C package is about $140., and includes compiler, assembler, linker, debugger, command shell, RAM disk, a pile of Unix-like utilities (egrep, ar, cat, ls, diff, make, sort, etc.)). The debugger that comes with MWC is a typical unix-like machine language debugger that lets you single-step, disassemble in-line code, trap exceptions, trace back call frames, examine the parameter lists in the call frames, etc., etc.
410.4	Profimat from DataBecker/Germany	BERN01::RUGGIERO		`Wed Mar 08 1989 06:05`	10
	If you need really excellent sw --> look for it in Europe, specially in Germany. DataBecker in Germany has an integrated Assembler/symb.Debugger/Editor-package thats really great. I use it alot for hacks and disassembling code. Cost is ~100 Deutschmark. Sory but I can't remember the address of DataBecker. Look in computerbook stores they also have alot of interesting books about the Atari. Unfortunately all is written in German, but you can find the addres there. ---markus---