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Conference 7.286::atarist

Title:Atari ST, TT, & Falcon
Notice:Please read note 1.0 and its replies before posting!
Moderator:FUNYET::ANDERSON
Created:Mon Apr 04 1988
Last Modified:Tue May 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1433
Total number of notes:10312

708.0. "STE/TT Available??" by NETMAN::HOLZWASSER () Mon Dec 18 1989 13:50

    Does anyone know of an Atari dealer in the Boston/Southern NH area who
    already has an STE or TT in stock?  Any news on prices?
    
    Thanks.
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708.1ASDS::POWERSI Dream Of Wires - G. NumanMon Dec 18 1989 16:288
  Re: .0

     I don't think that they are available in USA yet, they haven't passed
FCC.  I have seen that people in Europe have gotten them, and perhaps they
are also available in Canada.

Bill Powers
708.2TT not yet available in GYMGOI03::FALKENSTEINTue Dec 19 1989 06:1512
    
    That's true for the STE, the TT was promised by Atari for mid-november
    and I know a lot of people who ordered it. But after several request
    at Atari dealers in Germany for infos we were told that the first
    some machines are about to be delivered for the several ST magazines
    for testing and that the normal user has at least to wait until
    the first or second quarter of 1990! Announcing and the reality
    are different in the Atari world.
    
    Bernd
    
    
708.3Availability and Configuration news on TTSMURF::COUTUHe who will not risk, cannot win.Thu Mar 29 1990 13:5775
    I saw the following note on usenet and thought that some folks here
    might be interested in the news.
    
    Dan
    
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Well they had the TT in CeBit (also the unix model).
The TOS version (TT030/2) should be available in Germany in May:

    - 2M memory
    - 40M hard disk (not 30 even they say so)
    - VGA monitor
    - 6500 DEM (available only in this configuration)

The box is really silly looking.

The unix version (TT/030X)should be available to developers in May:

    - 2M (slow) memory for video
    - 4M full speed memory (unix will use primarily this)
    - HD size not sure yet (at least 80 and propably 120, 170)
    - tower case
    - either 14 inch (VGA) color monitor (640x480 16 out 4096 colors)
      or 19 inch mono monitor (1280x960 mono) (really nice with X)
    - price not yet know (round 10000 DEM)

The unix version (ATX = Atari unix) is officially Sys V 3.1 (SVID 2) but
it has really BSD4.3 kernel modified for Sys V. On shell level command
switches are Sys V, but the kernel has also full BSD4.3 syscall interface,
BSD signals (including ones needed for full job control), BSD sockets, TCP/IP,
the BSD fast file system, disipline 2 tty driver (supports SIGSTOP etc. = ^Z).
This gives nearly full BSD compatybility. Csh is the full BSD with full
job controll. Tcsh compiles. Gnu CC (1.36), CC+, gdb, gas are fully ported 
(really same as Sun m68k) and officially distributed by Atari. Comes with
NFS and X11.4 (has got 3 button mouse). For developers there comes also the
Hewlett Packard extended XFaceMaker tool kit. Kernel size with basic drivers
+ TCP/IP + NFS 650k. Pager is so customized that it will take pages from full
speed memory first, and only if that runs out, from the slower dual-purpose
(video) memory. As I tryed it out it seemed OK. ^Z really worked. The
(VGA style) display seemed slowish (must be in driver). From a X-terminal
the speed seemed fine. It seems like a nice (BSD) hackers home unix machine
(better then Sys V 3.2/80386). But .... Two buts. 16MHz, it is 1990, should
be at least 25 (it seems that TOS compatibility requires either 16 or 32, for
video shifter to work properly). And the price!!!!. I think far too much to
really compete with 386. It seems Atari really doesn't trust it will sell
in great volume, for the current projected price is clearly a low volume
price. Also it is late. It took so long because Atari wanted also TOS
compatibility. The unix only prototype was ready more than two years ago.
It seems Atari didn't believe a unix only version would sell well enough,
and also they wanted future for TOS line.

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