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Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

1555.0. "Keith Richards' 5 String Tuning" by AQUA::ROST (Subliminal trip to nowhere) Wed Nov 15 1989 11:46

    
    Many of you may know that Keith Richards commonly uses an open tuning
    using only five strings.  I love his rhythm sound, and this month's GP
    discusses it a bit.
    
    Anyone out there use this tuning who has any comments on it?  
    
    							Brian
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1555.1check out Guitar WorldSTAR::TPROULXWed Nov 15 1989 12:3514
    Brian,
    
    The Dec. '88 Guitar World has an good interview with Richards
    in which he discusses open tunings. There is also a tab section
    that explains the technique in detail and has tab bits of 
    "Brown Sugar," "Honky Tonk Women," "Gimme Shelter," and 
    "Monkey Man."
    
    I fooled around with this tuning a little bit. It doesn't
    take long to figure out how Keith get that "suspended" feel.
    
    "It's five strings, three notes, two fingers, and one asshole."
    
                             -Keith Richards.
1555.2HAMER::COCCOLImonitoring reality.........Fri Nov 17 1989 17:036
    
    
      For those of us who don't buy guitar rags, what's the tuning?.
    *^}            
                                        Rich
    
1555.3El-Bravo (rep:1)PELKEY::PELKEYLife aint for the squeamishFri Nov 17 1989 17:3016
>> "It's five strings, three notes, two fingers, and one asshole."
   


	HERE HERE !!!!!  I couldn't have said it better myself! 

Call me a scum-bag, but I never could, and probably never-ever will
be able to figure out why people like Keith Richards.  I thought his
solo album was a [well done] concerto on flossing cats.

I may have said enough already,   and I exepct I'll  take some shots for saying
more but I think that Keith should take up basket weaving and give the
music world a break.  (He can take Mr. Wood with him too!)


	P U !!!!
1555.4I can't stand him either...Can we start on the Beatles now?ASAHI::COOPERStep UP to a rack, not down to a Marshall...Fri Nov 17 1989 17:333
    A concerto on flossing cats !
    
    Agagagagaga !  I'm dyin' !
1555.5wouldn't mind having his $$$STAR::TPROULXFri Nov 17 1989 18:5620
    re .2
    
    Riff-hard uses several tunings. The main ones that the article
    talks about are (low to high):
    
         Open G                  Open E
    
         DGDGBD                  EBEG#BE
    
    re .3 
    
    I wasn't trying to put down Keith Richards, I was only relaying
    how he describes his own technique. Flame away if you want.
    
    I guess I'm in the minority that thought his solo album was 
    O.K. He certainly can't sing, and he's not a guitar hero, but I 
    think he's forged his own style. I dunno, I kind of like his 
    now frills attitude. He's a pretty good interview, too.
    
    -Tom
1555.6a big Keith fan!HAZEL::STARRWe're beating plowshares into swords...Fri Nov 17 1989 19:2518
> I guess I'm in the minority that thought his solo album was O.K. 

I also think his solo album is great! 

And I actually *like* his voice! 

And I think that Keith is probably the best living rhythm guitarist in the 
world! He has written more riffs than I could even dream of, and has helped 
shape the history of rock and roll. Riffs like "Satisfaction" and "Jumping
Jack Flash" will stay with me all my life. And stuff like the rhythm on "Can't
Ya Hear Me Knockin'" just blows me away!

I love his style, I love his sound, I love his attitude! And if I could play 
rhythm guitar a tenth as well as he can, I would be in heaven!

Now I gotta go buy that issue and try sone of that stuff out!

Alan S.
1555.7One more $.02....COMET::MESSAGEHarder'n Chinese AlgebraFri Nov 17 1989 21:3513
    I'll join in the chorus of support for "Keef". He may not be flash,
    and his voice is poor for lead (but much better in accompaniment than
    in the early Stones days). His riffing, slashing guitar style has
    been emulated by many other players. 
    
    My dream band used to be John Lenneon and Keith Richards on rhythm
    guitars, Eric Clapton on lead, Jack Bruce on bass and Keith Moon on
    drums, with John sharing lead vocals with Little Richard.
    
    Anyway, the point is that we're all allowed an opinion, so if you
    don't like Keith's style that's OK.........I like it!
    
    Bill
1555.8Keith's great GUITAR songsSTAR::DONOVANMon Nov 20 1989 13:2614
    
    
    ...Brown Sugar, Miss You, Beast of Burden, I mean, the list
    of great "guitar" songs by Keith goes on and on, doesn't it?
    
    And what about the haunting guitars of Keith and Mick Taylor
    at the beginning of Gimme Shelter?  That alone is worth the
    price of admission.
    
    We are at odd time in history when sheer technique is regarded
    as more important than feel, emotion, and content.  Too bad!
    
    Honky Tonk Woman, Jumping Jack Flash, Satisfaction, Wild Horses,
    It's Only Rock and Roll, Start Me Up....
1555.9Keith IS Rock and Roll Guitar!BUSY::JMINVILLEIllegitimus Non Tatum CarborundemMon Nov 20 1989 15:0928
    Alan and ?? Donovan summed it up nicely.  Keith wrote the book on
    a great deal of rock and roll guitar.  I really like his voice too;
    perfect for "A Little T & A" and "You Got The Silver".  It's hard
    for me to understand how someone can NOT like him -- I mean if ya
    like the Stones, ya have to like Keef!!  If you don't like The Stones,
    then you're definitely a loser ;^)
    
    "Satisfaction" was listed by Rolling Stone magazine (hey that's
    weird) as The #1 single of all time.  At first I didn't agree. 
    I thought it should have gone to "Hey Jude", but now I think that
    maybe it is the best R&R song of all time!!!  The riff is just so
    unmistakable.
    
    One neat thing from the article is that "Street Fighting Man" was
    done without any electric guitar (just acoustics and a sitar). 
    At least one of the acoustic guit's was run through a little Philips
    cassette player.
    
    Keef is equally at home on an electric or an acoustic and some of
    his acoustic tunes are *so* nice:  "Love In Vain", "County Honk",
    and "Sweet Black Angel" to name a few.  Jeeez, I mean there are
    so many good examples, you could go on forever..."Tumbling Dice",
    "Rip This Joint" (always one of my fave "ballz-out" rockers),
    "2000 Light Years From Home"...
    
    Keith wrote the book...
    
    	joe.
1555.10a closing parable.PELKEY::PELKEYLife aint for the squeamishMon Nov 20 1989 16:023
To each, his own.

I think, if there was an author to 'The Book' it was Hendrix.
1555.11Like RayRay said: "To each his own"MPGS::MIKRUTDon't you boys know any NICE songs?Mon Nov 20 1989 16:325
    Gee, and I always thought Mel Bay wrote the book!
    
    :^)
    
    cheers/mike
1555.12DECWET::FURBUSHGhost in the machineMon Nov 20 1989 19:032
Jerry Garcia.

1555.13Who wrote the book of...BUSY::JMINVILLEIllegitimus Non Tatum CarborundemTue Nov 21 1989 14:083
    Well, OK so he contributed a "chapter" ;^)
    
    joe. ("Well I wonder, wonder, wonder, wonder, who...")
1555.14JAWS::PELKEYLoco Boy Makes goodTue Nov 21 1989 15:3817
    In giving this discussion some serious thought in the past two
    days, I think I may have come to agree...
    
    There's a lot of truth to the claim that you guys have made regarding
    Mr. Richards.
    
    I stand (somewhat only) corrected.  He has offered quite a lot of
    himslef to music.  
    
    Now is he the God ?  No!  Has he cut a path,, Well where once I
    laughed at the mere thought, carefull thought has told me
    that he has.
    
    I'm not a BIG stones fan now, but I can appreciate them a little
    more.  (God, it only took 20 years...)
    
    
1555.15Welcome aboard!STAR::DONOVANTue Nov 21 1989 17:4121
    
    Welcome to the fold!
    
    Now go home, tune your guitar down to D-G-D-G-B-D.
    
    Bar the fifth fret with your index chord, hit it, and hammer
    on finger two and three, as though you were going to play
    a conventional minor seventh bar chord (in this case, it
    would look like Dm7.
    
    Doesn't that feel great?  Unfortunately, you are probably going to
    lose your new found appreciation for Keef when you realize he's
    made a career out of doing this!
    
    BTW, in your original note, you said Keith could take Ron Wood [away]
    with him.  Personally, Ron's guitar should be observed in its natural
    habitat: Faces and Rod Stweart albums.  Rod-songs such as "I Know I'm
    Losing You, Maggie May, Stay with Me, and Reason to Believe" feature
    Mr. Wood.
    
    Brian
1555.16More Woody...COMET::MESSAGEHarder'n Chinese AlgebraTue Nov 21 1989 19:4611
    
    	Don't remember where I read it, may have been RS magazine,
    	but the writer wrote, "Ron Wood has recorded more bad notes than
    	any guitarist in R-n-R." ............
    
    	I dunno, he seeems to have the right attitude, etc. to fit with 
    	Keith et al. Even though Mick Taylor was a VERY accomplished 
    	guitarist, he had the stage personna of a mackerel compared to
    	Wood.
    
    	Bill
1555.17Sympathy for the TaylorSTAR::DONOVANTue Nov 21 1989 21:0628
    
    Yes, I agree:  Mick Taylor was a great musician but certainly
    lacked stage presence.  However,  I feel the high points of the Stones
    career were unquestionably on those albums on which Mick Taylor played.
    
    As Alan S. pointed out, "Can't You Hear Me Knockin" is a great
    song.  It shows off both Keith and Mick in their respective
    styles/approaches.
    
    I liked the the obvious split between Keith and Mick:  one rhythm
    guitar and one lead guitar.  Oddly enough, Keith didn't like that.
    He's praised Wood a thousand times over for the "seamless" two 
    guitar sound the Stones have featured for....has it been fifteen
    years already?
    
    I think the Stones have *missed* the searing, single-note blues
    soloing of Taylor.  I think a good lead will put a song "over
    the top."  For instance, songs like "Honky Tonk Woman"
    and "Gimme Shelter" would lack A LOT if they featured the
    intertwined, double-stop playing of Keith and Ron.
    
    It's just my opinion, but what if Mick had been on board for
    "Start Me Up" or, more recently, "Mixed Emotions"?  Can you
    imagine those decent rockers being split open by a nice bluesy
    lead from Mick's Les Paul.
    
    I sure can!  Ain't gonna see it, though.  Mick did take the solo on
    one of the songs on Keith's solo album last year, though.
1555.18JAWS::PELKEYLoco Boy Makes goodWed Nov 29 1989 16:207
    Hey, I been around, and well awre of where Ron wood came from.
    
    Despite all that I still managed to be a faces fan for
    some time.
    
    as far as open tuning goes,, again, the Dinosaurs know how to
    do open tuning, but real men tune to standard ptich  :)
1555.19Pleased to meet you, hope you know my nameGIDDAY::KNIGHTPThere's room for you insideWed Mar 29 1995 02:2410
    I saw the Stones Voodoo Lounge concert on Monday night
    
    	They are still a very good band, and ol' KEEF can still turn it
    on, Mick was unbelievable for 50 plus.
    
    	Great show, and some great guitar playing was enjoyed by all,
    They did an absoloutely killer version of "Sweet Virginia"
    acoustically.
    
    P.K.
1555.20OUTSRC::HEISERHoshia Nah,Baruch Haba B'shem AdonaiWed Mar 29 1995 13:151
    Are they touring nursing homes now?
1555.21BUSY::BUSY::SLABOUNTYTrouble with a capital 'T'Wed Mar 29 1995 13:244
    
    	Yeah, every week they play at the one in which they're currently
    	living.
    
1555.22The nation that invented R&R...and Styx, and REO Speedwagon, and...VARESE::TRNUX1::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Wed Mar 29 1995 13:293
    re. last 2
    
    Oh dear, time for another chorus of "God Bless America"...