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Conference napalm::guitar

Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

1718.0. "Versitile Equip. for Classical Rock/Blues" by WFOVX5::WALTHALL () Wed Mar 14 1990 15:54

     
     I'm looking for help in the area of finding the right axe/amp 
    combo for my musical tastes.
    I've been using a Ibenez 59er and a preCBS fender delux reverb amp.
    I like playing strong rhythm and about 1/4 leads.
    I have certain sounds that I want to get and I don't know if one
    guitar/amp combo can do them all.(maybe they're not that far off)
    Here goes: early Clapton-Blues Breakers,Cream,Derik & the Dominoes;
    Neil Young, Beatles, Stones, Early Zeppelin , The Who, ANY blues...
    Get the picture?  I think there is a different guitar amp combo
    for every group I've named, But I can only invest in one setup.ARG!
    Any suggestions are welcome!
    Tom who won't even attempt Jeff Beck......
                                           
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1718.1shields up, scotty!MPGS::MIKRUTAvoid the Noid!Wed Mar 14 1990 17:149
    Well if money's no object, then a Fender Strat through a Marshall
    stack has satisfied many legendary blues groups in the past and
    present.
    
    But then again, I'm sure that the noters in this file will disagree
    whereas, they're preference will be a non-strat through a Kitty
    Hawk, of course!  :^)
    
    cheers/mike
1718.2They;re still good.FACVAX::BUCKLEYNo one home in my house of painWed Mar 14 1990 17:151
    Even though I went Kitty, I still love a Marshall.
1718.3!GOOROO::CLARKsay goodbye to Madame GeorgeWed Mar 14 1990 18:3312
    just to digress a bit ...
    
    .0: you actually OWN an Ibanez '59er? I thought I was the only 
    person in the world who did! I like it but I never play it because 
    I have a Strat and I can't switch back and forth comfortably.
    
    Any idea of FMV for these babies?
    
    By the way, keep your present rig and get a Tube Screamer and
    you'll be pretty close to there!
    
    -Dave
1718.4DNEAST::BOTTOM_DAVIDNice computers don't go downWed Mar 14 1990 22:443
    Well I'd say use a strat and a kitty!! :-)
    
    dbii
1718.5What more could you ask for!CSC32::H_SOThu Mar 15 1990 02:4116
    
    OK, OK, I'll be different! 8)
    
    Get a Mesa Boogie Mark 3!  With the built-in EQ, you'd get all the 
    variations you'd ever want!  *Instantly* switchable from Metallica tone
    to Country twang and crunch rhythm mode in between!  The lead channel 
    and the rhythm channels are 90% independent of each other, and the 
    2 rhythm channels are dependent on one another.
    
    I am not kidding, we do play a country number just for kicks(don't stone
    me to death, guys!  Just ONE song! 8)  ), and single coil at the bridge
    and the Boogie on clean channel is all I need!  Press on the lead and
    boom!  Fat, over drive for daze!!!  Throw a rackmount in the loop and
    that's all I'll ever need!  Accepts my 12 string very well, also!
    
    J. 
1718.6Getting forgetful!CSC32::H_SOThu Mar 15 1990 02:5610
    
    RE: -.1
    
    Oh, by the way, if you're trying out a Mk3, make sure you spend some 
    time with it.  I wasn't happy with mine until 3 days after I had 
    brought it home.  All the controls are a little dizzying at first 
    but the rewards are great!  I can honestly say that there aren't alot
    of sounds that I cannot get out of my Boogie!
    
    J.
1718.7Tone settings are overlooked!JUPITR::DIETZThu Mar 15 1990 13:1542
              If it is a blues sounding guitar that you want I sugjest
    that you start experimenting more with the "tone" of your along with
    your amp. As far as using certain guitars and amps you would have to
    spend literally thousands of dollars to purhase a variety of
    instruments to get the "EXACT" (I realise you can get "close" or
    simular sounds/tones with certain more advance equipment of today)
    sound of the perfomers that you had mentioned, especially the studio
    sound versus the live sound and the "quite" different equipment people
    had used to get their "rocorded" versions. For example Pete Townshend
    ofthe Who in the very early days/begining used a "Rick" for live and
    studio versions, in the late sixties to the late seventies he used a
    Gold top Les Paul live and in the studio he like to use (I'm not
    kidding) of all things a Gretsch (I believe he said in various
    interviews over the years he used them in songs like: The best I ever
    had, really just about any song from the sixties that he did with a
    very HEAVY vibrato sound). Later on Pete switch over to Teles. Other
    artists that you had mentioned like Eric Clapton also used a variety of
    guitars/amps , I had seen many of pictures of Clapton (even in the
    early days of Mayalls band/ and even the Yardbirds usings Fender amps.)
    using differnet set-ups. Well getting back to tone, a long time ago I
    saw an interview with Eric (this was in the Cream days towards the end
    when he had his hair permed and had the Pyscodelic painted Gibson SG
    Les Paul) he was explaing how he got his tone (basically) He like to
    use the lead pick up with the tone turned down almost all the way down
    to one or so, then on his amp he had the treble all the way up, Bass
    down to about 2 and the Mid up to 5. Then of course try using different
    ammounts of distortion to top it of. You got to remeber in those days
    they didn't have the technolgy that they have today so they tend to
    work more with "what they had"! B.B. KIng uses a simular approach to
    this sound except using the middle pick-up of his ES-335. So as you can
    see altering your tone (a Hendrix strat sound vrs the "today Eric C.
    sound) with your guitar/and or amp makes a BIG difference. I strictly
    play blues and find this approach very practicle (later on you can add
    different effects, delay,reverb ect.) Well I hope this helped you out a
    bit..............take it easy and have fun playing the blues...........
                     Charley d.
    
    
    
    
    
    
1718.8Consider an SGVLNVAX::ALECLAIREFri Mar 16 1990 12:161
    That Psycodelic SG might have been done by Peter Max.
1718.9me simplicity.CMBOOT::EVANSif you don't C# you'll BbFri Mar 16 1990 12:2135
    
    >>He like to
    >>use the lead pick up with the tone turned down almost all the way down
    >>to one or so, then on his amp he had the treble all the way up, Bass
    >>down to about 2 and the Mid up to 5.
    
    	I saw a similar interview where he used a Les Paul into a Marshall
    Combo.  He had all tone & presence up full & pre-amp at about 8-9.
    On the guitar he had bridge tone & volume on full, neck tone full, vol
    just over 1.
    
    	I use almost exactly the same  except I have a Boss graphics pedal
    in line.  I set the Boss up to beef up the mid range.  So I get a
    clean(ish) sound if I gently strum a chord on the neck PU, if I go a
    little harder the crunch starts coming in for heavy rhythm playing.
    If I want a good blues lead sound I go to the middle position on the LP
    which gives a rich sustained sound, the treble position gives a
    typicl screaming LP sound.  If I bring the Boss into play I can pull 
    harmonics or tap & it really cooks ( take my hands off the strings & it 
    howls like a she wolf on heat!).
    
    	The thing here is that people (mainly green youngsters I admit)have 
    looked at my set up & asked where the rest is, like they can't believe 
    you can get so many sounds out of a Marshall & a Les Paul.  
    
    	I guess it depends on the range of stuff you intend to play as to 
    what you consider versatile, but in my case I only added the Boss recently 
    (I don't always use it even now) & I reckon I can fit in with most
    styles.
    
    	It's amazing what you can do with an amp, chord, axe & a bit of
    experimentation, it's also cheap (well....Y'know compared to mega racks).
    
    Cheers
    		Pete.
1718.10all right!RAVEN1::DANDREAFrog lickers unite!Fri Mar 16 1990 12:466
    Amen Pete!  I'm using a Les Paul and a Kitty Hawk 100w Head thru a
    Peavey 4 X 12 cab, and I'm just learning to get the tones I want. 
    There are some GREAT "classic" tones with the LP and a "good 'ol"
    tube amp, tho!  I'm gonna try the one you depict in .9 this weekend..
    
    Cheers from Steve D.  8)
1718.11Quick tip Steve.CMBOOT::EVANSif you don't C# you'll BbFri Mar 16 1990 15:0015
    
    	Re -1 Steve.
    If you're trying it out here's a tip.  Set the LP neck PU to about 1.5
    as if you have it any lower it will load the bridge PU when you switch &
    no leap in volume will occur.  Also when you find the optimum position
    for the neck PU volume, set the amp pre-gain so that if you gently strum a
    chord it's clean(ish) & when you really start kicking a good 12 bar it
    crunches.  If you get that right the lead tones from the mid & treble
    positions virtually look after themselves.
    
    	Go kick some butt my man & let me know how it goes....I think you'll
    find out why God gave us the Les Paul:-) Have Fun now!!!!
    
    Cheers
    		Pete
1718.12Eric becomes psycodelic!JUPITR::DIETZFri Mar 16 1990 15:2911
              note #1718.8...............The painted SG Les Paul that Eric
    Clapton used was painted by an Italian artist. This same artist painted
    all of the Beatles equipment (Magical M Tour). I don't remember the
    name.................If it's really buggin ya, try the Beatles notes
    file.................I'm sure they can help.............charley d.
    
    
    
    
    
    
1718.13yes, yes.....RAVEN1::DANDREAFrog lickers unite!Fri Mar 16 1990 16:213
    RE:  .11
    
    Thanks, Pete....|)
1718.14More INFO PLEASEWFOVX5::WALTHALLWed Mar 21 1990 13:2015
    When you folks speak of Strats, what model? neck size ? Year? 
    I really enjoyed playing an Ibenez with a 21" neck (flat)
    so bending notes was EASY, they matched right up, effortless.
    Are there Strats with 21" (flat) necks maybe the 59" reissue?
    What are the advantages/drawbacks to the flat neck....arched neck?
    Another question is... what exactly is a Tube Screamer ?
    I was thinking of adding a pre-amp volume control to my Fender
    Deluxe reverb so I can get that "buzz saw" John Lennon sound 
    at low volume.Won't hurt the resale value will it?               
    
    Just another tricky day,
    Tom .0
    
    
    
1718.15foot pedal....RAVEN1::DANDREAFrog lickers unite!Thu Mar 22 1990 15:4710
    RE: -1
    
    An Ibanez Tube Screamer is foot operated volume/distortion booster that
    is intended to emulate the tone you'd get from a tube amplifier cranked
    to the moon.  I've been using mine religiously with a small Peavey
    solid state amp, BUT I discovered last night that my Kitty Hawk 100
    watt tube head has a WONDERFUL tone with the clean channel volume
    turned up.  My tube screamer might just get a rest this weekend.....
    
    Steve D.
1718.16Jammin' with Morris ...ASAHI::SCARYJoke 'em if they can't take a ...Thu Mar 22 1990 21:558
    I discovered the same thing by accident last week ... I was trying to
    boost my lead channel and due to bright stage lights and my blindness,
    I was turning up the clean channel instead !  So when I went to play
    "Stormy Monday" - WHOA !!!  Guess I need 3 channels, no I need more
    midi stuff, no I need .....
    
    
    				Scary
1718.17Greg House for Prez!CSC32::H_SOThu Mar 22 1990 23:287
    
    RE: -.1 >>Guess I need 3 channels, no I need more midi stuff, no I
    		need....
    
    .....Mesa Boogie Mark 3!  ;-)
    
    J.
1718.18ASAHI::SCARYJoke 'em if they can't take a ...Fri Mar 23 1990 02:024
    Nope .... ADA MP-1, with 125 presets to spare !
    
    
    				Scary
1718.19Stormy Friday...DNEAST::GREVE_STEVEIf all else fails, take a nap...Fri Mar 23 1990 11:5910
    
    
    	Scary, speaking of stormy monday, I really like that song, for some
    reason I like the McCoys version best... You guys are too young to
    remember the McCoys right???   Could you post the chord changes for
    me???
    
    
    Thanks,
    Steve
1718.20McCoys as inSMURF::BENNETTMurican Cars, Murican GuitarsFri Mar 23 1990 13:484
	"Sloopy let yer hair hang down, girl, let it hang down on me" ?

	Cmon
1718.21DNEAST::GREVE_STEVEIf all else fails, take a nap...Fri Mar 23 1990 13:593
    
    
    	Yo, fellow old guy!!!! ;^)
1718.22they don't give a f*ck about anybody else...BUSY::JMINVILLErockin' through the wildernessFri Mar 23 1990 14:168
    The McCoys featuring 17 year old Rick Derringer on guitar.
    
    	Gee, he really was a "Showbiz Kid".  I guess that explains why
    	Becker and Fagen let him play slide guitar on the song of the
    	same name ("Countdown To Ecstasy").

    
    	joe.
1718.23IOENG::JWILLIAMSWelcome to the Bush LeagueFri Mar 23 1990 15:077
    Stormy Monday:
    
    G7 C9 G7 G# G7
    C9 G7 Am Bm A#
    D9 C9 G7 C9 G7 D9
    
    							John.
1718.24TCC::COOPERMIDI-Kitty-ADA-Metaltronix rack pukeFri Mar 23 1990 16:233
ADA MP1 Roolzzz...

;)
1718.25FACVAX::BUCKLEYClaimin'!Fri Mar 23 1990 16:292
    You might even wanna check out the new Blues '59 amp that Metaltronix
    just released!
1718.26Blues `59SMURF::BENNETTPull Claim Blend? Say What?Fri Mar 23 1990 18:367
	Oh, Buck - do tell. Better'n a showman?

	.21 - I remember first hearing that I was about 7.

	I'm now that the wonderful age of Thirty-Nothing, I've left my
	tween's behind ( twenty-teen, twenty-one-teen....)
1718.27FACVAX::BUCKLEYClaimin'!Fri Mar 23 1990 19:048
    -1
    
    Not sure if it's better than a showman.  I bet it is, however...as the
    whole Metaltronix line is geared towards a custom hot-rodded amp.  The
    M-1000 was for people who wanted a full-blown Marshall tone...I can
    only guess the Blues '59 is like a hot-rodded Fender (like boggies!).
    
    EU in Boston has one...try it out!