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Conference napalm::guitar

Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

1928.0. "Fretless Guitars (not basses)" by WJOUSM::MASHIA (Funk Flute) Fri Aug 03 1990 20:14

    Something I've always wondered about: Howcum there aren't any...
    
    Or are there?
    
    Rodney
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1928.1Hmm, now THAT idea has merit . . .CRBOSS::BEFUMOThe bun is the lowest form of wheatFri Aug 03 1990 20:417
    I thought about this myself, and it occurred to me . . . how would you
    play chords?  For single-note lines it's a simple matter to get your
    fingers into just the right position, but if you think about it, many
    chords have you fingers pretty convoluted to begin with, and often it's
    absolutely necessary to have your fingers at various positions in the
    fret area.  Without frets you'd need fingers with an extra joint! 
    
1928.2Solo instrument?WJOUSM::MASHIAFunk FluteFri Aug 03 1990 21:007
    re. .1
    
    Hmm, good point. But I'd think it would have some value as a monophonic
    (for the most part) lead/melody instrument. I would think you'd get
    some neat glissando & vibrato effects.
    
    Rodney
1928.3Fretless Guitar On RecordAQUA::ROSTI won't play piano for the DeadFri Aug 03 1990 21:0414
    
    European guitarist Phillip Catherine has used a fretless guitar in the
    past, and one of the guys from the band Kittyhawk (known mainly for its
    twin Stick players) played one as well.  
    
    I have the two albums that Catherine recorded with Larry Coryell for
    Elektra about ten years ago and his fretless work is featured about 25%
    of the time.  It sounds a lot like Jaco to me, only about an octave
    higher...as you might expect.
    
    BTW, the Kittyhawk guys predated the amps...and they used Rolands,
    anyway  8^)  8^)
    
    						Brian
1928.4VLNVAX::ALECLAIREbe Excellent to each other!Fri Aug 03 1990 22:424
    There was a guy at the boston guitar competition with a Les-Paul clone
    guitar ( bolt-on cort ). The frets had been replaced or ground down.
    He lost, too!
    
1928.5fretless for slide!NAVIER::STARRWould you like to go to heaven toniteSun Aug 05 1990 16:466
It always made sense to me that there should be fretless guitars for playing 
slide. You just set the action a little higher than usual, and then slide 
away. Of course, you couldn't switch from playing chords to doing a slide 
solo, but I'm sure there are songs that only require you to play slide....

alan
1928.6VLNVAX::ALECLAIRESun Aug 05 1990 19:463
    What about steel ( pedal ) guitars? Thain't got any frets!
    
    toenail who likes western not country
1928.7on the other hand......CHEFS::IMMSAadrift on the sea of heartbreakMon Aug 06 1990 11:547
    You can get fretless mandolins.
    
    They are called violins :-) :-)
    
    
    andy
    
1928.8DNEAST::BOTTOM_DAVIDThat sounds like noise Mr. Vai!Mon Aug 06 1990 15:594
I've got a tele that's a virtual fretless guitar...there are some metal 
bands where the frets used to be :-)

dbii
1928.9Dobro anyone?FROST::SIMONBirds can't row boatsMon Aug 06 1990 16:584
	A Dobro with a raised nut is virtually a fretless guitar.

	_gary
1928.10FZ used one brieflyHOTWTR::TUTAK_PEAdmitted NOTES dependency problemMon Aug 06 1990 17:0012
    
    About 15 years ago I believe the Acoustic Corporation made one.
    
    Frank Zappa used a modified one of that type (Barcus-Berry inserted
    into the neck) on a couple of recordings during that time, such as 'The
    Torture Never Stops' and 'Wind Up Working in a Gas Station' (from "Zoot
    Allures").
    
    Never heard much of it after that.
    
    Peter
    
1928.11these are words that start with an 'e' this timeCAPNET::ZNAMIEROWSKII'm worth a million in prizesTue Aug 07 1990 21:273
    I can recall that Adrian Belew used a fretless guitar frequently on the
    Crimson albums he played on.  So much kahler abuse tho, who can tell?
    
1928.12I played one...ONCEISLNDS::KELLYWed Aug 08 1990 15:5313
    A former teacher, Randy Roos (who played in Orchestra Luna...mid
    70's Boston band) used one at the time.  It had a metal neck with
    no frets.  He used it strictly for single note lead lines.
    
    I played it once.  Interesting tone, great for glissandos and some
    wild vibratos.  It also taught me how much work I needed for my
    ear, since I was constantly off from the correct note.  Humbling
    experience.
    
    The guitar was made by Kramer, but I kbnow it was a special.
    
    Regards,
    John K.
1928.13Adrian/fretless guitar?!?!?JUPITR::DIETZThu Aug 09 1990 11:3818
     When I had seen Crimson (a ong time ago at the Metro in Boston) Adrian
    was using a fretted guitar (a strat that was painted by some two year
    old with a small paint brush and lots of pastels, it looked nice to my
    eyes). He sounded just like he did on Discipline (this is the only
    album they had then). Did he use one on the second the second album?
    The guitar sounds that you hear on Discipline would most likly be
    Robert Fripp (and his Frippetronics) He likes to use (back then
    atleast, he has since dropped electric guitar and plays acoustic only)   
    all sorts of synths. He gets a definite "fretless sound", a good
    example of his sound (probally his most famous works) would be with
    David Bowie "Heros" and the work he did on the "Scary Monsters" album
    notibly "Fashion" (Chuck Hamer played on the song Scary Monster). I'm
    glad the previous note mentioned Crimsom, it brings back alot of
    memorys........what a group.....Bill Bruford on drums, Tony Levin on
    Bass + Chapmin stik, Adrian, Fripp..................................
    .................................Charley Dee
    
    
1928.14passing like cloudsCAPNET::ZNAMIEROWSKII'm worth a million in prizesThu Aug 09 1990 20:369
    from the back of the "Three Of a Perfect Pair" album,
    
    			Adrian Belew
    	     Voice, Fretted and Fretless Guitars
    
    I don't know where he's playing them, I haven't listened to the
    thing in a while.  I might just toss it on after the ctrl-z here, tho!
    
    
1928.15Scott Dakota and Dan StearnsTECRUS::ROSTGoing to hell in your heavenly armsTue Sep 07 1993 14:2212
    Three years later...two more fretless guitarists working in the Boston
    area are Dan Stearns and Scott Dakota.  
    
    Dan fronts a band called Private World which performs his compositions
    (very dissonant fusion pieces).  
    
    Scott is in the Moors, which is a rock band with medieval and Celtic
    elements.  He uses a homemade axe which includes a low B string from a
    5-string bass so he has a range of an octave and a fourth below a
    normal guitar.  
    
    							Brian