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Conference napalm::guitar

Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

605.0. "Sweep picking ?" by --UnknownUser-- () Mon Apr 25 1988 15:45

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605.1I'll try to explain ...SCOMAN::WCLARKvoodoo mathematicianMon Apr 25 1988 16:0515
    Sweep picking is kind of hard to explain. Frank Gambale is the guru
    of sweep picking. He had a good explanation in Guitar Player a few
    months ago (the issue on SPEED). Essentially it involves carrying
    an upstroke or downstroke over more than one string. The simplest
    example is playing an arpeggio across all 6 strings - pick all the
    strings in one direction (almost like a strum), then reverse and
    pick all the strings in the opposite direction. A more complex
    picking excersize would be to pick down,up,down on one string and
    then jump to the next string on the last downstroke, so you can
    get to the next note very quickly. Try it without using your left
    hand to get an idea what I mean. It does increase speed. The
    trade-off is that you have to learn a lot of new fingerings to
    accomodate the picking style.
    
    -Dave
605.2So THAT's What it's called ...VENTUR::WOOlocaltime(time(t))->tm_wday >= 5 ?Mon Apr 25 1988 17:0540
    
    Interesting.  Ridgely Snow introduced me to that technique about
    fourteen years ago, except he didn't call it sweep picking.
    
    Re. -1, no, you don't need to learn a lot of new fingerings.  To
    make it work properly, you pick three notes on each string.  In
    ascending order, downstroke - upstroke - downstroke and hit the
    adjacent string - upstroke - downstroke and hit the adjacent string,
    etc.  
    
    For descending order, just reverse the process.  
    
    The hardest thing to do using this technique, is to smooth out the
    time value of each tone.  This is not a technique that lends itself
    to practicing slowly.  You have to start at a moderate clip and
    work up from there, so you should be very familiar with "three-tones-
    per-string" scales.
    
    Smoothing out the time value for each tone is critical for phrasing,
    and is EASIER at the FASTER speeds with this style.
    
    It's real good for blazing through a scale, picking every note as
    you go.  I find more use for it in the upper register where the
    tones are closer together and hammer/pull techniques are more difficult
    for me to implement.  In the lower registers, I prefer the hammer/pull
    techniques because they have a lyrical legatto sound.  I don't really
    like the "dig-a-dig-a-dig-a" you hear from picking every note.
    
    Oh, one other thing ...
    
    The way you hold the pick is critical to making this work.  You
    have to hold it the way Mel Bay says to in his introduction to guitar.
    It looks uncomforatable, but you get used to it quickly, and it
    gives you such a good grip on the pick.
    
    The angle at which the pick strikes the string is critical.  If
    you dig in, you will impede your ability to fly, so practice angling
    the pick so it "bows" the string, that is, it rubs across the top
    of the string rather than slapping it broadside.
    
605.3Hope this helps clarifyMARKER::BUCKLEYWe Will Rock You!Mon Apr 25 1988 17:3633
    
    Re: .2
    
    I think you missed the idea on sweep picking.  Sweep picking is
    NOT picking every note (with a deliberate attack), its is (as stated
    at the beginning of .1's reply) moreso and extended downstroke (or
    upstroke)...similar to a strum.  I got the impression from your
    reply you were talking about an up and down picking technique.  
    
    I use sweep picking primarily for blues scales and (mostly) arpeggios. 
    Sweep picking appies best to when there is one note per string.  So, 
    if you had an arpeggio, you start with a down stroke and rake 
    (lightly, but surely) across the strings til you came to the top
    string, then you could do a hammer on with the left hand while you 
    reverse your stroke on the picking hand for a upward (descending) stroke.
    
    Example:
    
    E minor arpeggio:
    
    H - Hammer on
    P - Pull off
                down stroke        up stroke
             H  +---------+ H  P  +---------+ P
    
    (Fngr) 1  4  3  3  2  1  4  1  2  3  3  4  1
    (Note) E  G  B  E  G  B  E  B  G  E  B  G  E 
    (Fret) 7 10  9  9  8  7  12 7  8  9  9 10  7
    (Strg) A     D  G  B  E        B  G  D  A    
    
    This is a common sweep picking lick.
    
    wjb      
605.4Oh ...FSLENG::CAMUSOlocaltime(time(t))->tm_wday >= 5 ?Mon Apr 25 1988 18:458
    Re .2 and .3
    
    Oh ...  I was responding to the latter part of .1's reply.
    
    In the unforgettable words of Emily Litella, "Never mind ..."
    
    	t
    
605.5String skippingCADSYS::DALTONA mind is a terrible thingThu Mar 02 1989 17:247
    A technique I frequently hear mentioned in the same breath as sweep 
    picking is called (I think) "string skipping" does anybody know what
    this technique is?

	KD 

605.6CHEFS::DALLISONWith your G-string tuned to AWed Nov 29 1989 10:2123
                      
                      
    String skipping is just that - playing a note on a string and then
    skipping to another note on a non-adjacent string.      
                                        
    The following example is an arppeggio in E somthingorother which uses 
    sweep picking and string skipping :-
                                               
   E ------------------11------------------           
   B --------------h--------p--------------            
   G ------------12-16----16-12------------        
   D ---------14----------------14---------        
   A ------14----------------------14------            
   E 12-15----------------------------15-12 vwwwv                     
      h                                        
                                   
    Play this first in E, then the same lick in D#, then in C then in
    B. Great warm up exercise.     
                                   
    h = hammer                     
    p = pull off                   
    vwvw = wide vibrato            
    (but you guys know this anyway)
605.7RE: .6, FWIWIOSG::CREASYSmile out loudWed Nov 29 1989 16:048
    Tony,
    
    It's an E minor triad played on the bottom 4 strings, with the major
    seventh added on the top E.
    
    Just bein' a smart a$$
    
    Nick
605.8CHEFS::DALLISONWith your G-string tuned to AThu Nov 30 1989 06:377
                                                                             
    Nope it ain't, the note played on the high E should be the E @12th       
    fret, not D# @11th, like stated..           
                                                                             
    So whats that make it now ? 8^)                                          
                                                                             
    -Tony_who_doesn't_know_the_h*ll_what_he's_playing_but_likes_it_anyhow_8^)
605.9leads to an Yngwie trick.CMBOOT::EVANSif you don't C# you'll BbThu Nov 30 1989 11:0610
    
    It's an arpeggiated Em except the second octave is missing  the 6th &
    7th.  Looks like a typical bit of Malsteen to me.  He skips bits of
    standard runs to make em' fit.  It also makes him sound faster than he
    is cos' doing this implies he's playing more notes than he really is.
    
    	Clever chap our Yngwie.
    
    Cheers
    		Pete.
605.10CHEFS::DALLISONWith your G-string tuned to AWed Dec 06 1989 09:075
    
    Its one of Chirs Impelletterri's licks, although its the same 
    idea.
    
    -Tony
605.11ooooops!CMBOOT::EVANSif you don't C# you'll BbWed Dec 06 1989 10:558
    
    	Actually I'm taking rot here Tony...it's a straight Eminor
    arpeggio.  By definition arpeggio's only have intervals 1,3 & 5 in,
    which are the intervals that describe a triad which is the basis of any
    chord so these always come up in the repetoir of the sweep picker.
    
    Cheers
    		Pete.