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| 3177.1 | | SMURF::PBECK | Rob Peter and pay *me*... | Wed Feb 21 1996 10:15 | 5 |
| > I thought there were some techniques for tuning duets or trios
> guitars differently, such that the result was a fuller, more
> unique sound.
I think that technique is called "playing out of tune"...
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| 3177.2 | "Standard" plus "High-string" | STRATA::PHILLIPS | Music of the spheres. | Wed Feb 21 1996 10:18 | 23 |
| Not really sure what would work here, but here goes....
In a situation with two acoustic six string guitars, one thing you
might try is to have one guitar tune to regular concert pitch, and the
other one tune to a "Nashville high-string" tuning:
Guitar #1 => E A D G B E
Guitar #2 = E A D G B E
|--these four tuned an octave--|
| higher than guitar #1 |
Naturally, you have to use very light strings on guitar #2; some people
just use the light half of a twelve string set!
As I understand, this tuning is sometimes used to "un-clutter" the low
frequencies and give a nice rhythm sound. Don't know if that's what
you're looking for, but you might want to try it....
Hope that helps, anyway. Good luck!
--Eric--
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| 3177.3 | | GANTRY::ALLBERY | Jim | Wed Feb 21 1996 10:28 | 4 |
| Re:
>>some people just use the light half of a twelve string set!
I've never heard of anyone doing it any other way.
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| 3177.4 | | NEWVAX::LAURENT | Hal Laurent @ COP | Wed Feb 21 1996 10:39 | 11 |
| re: .3
> Re:
> >>some people just use the light half of a twelve string set!
>
> I've never heard of anyone doing it any other way.
I buy individual strings of the proper guage from Musician's Fiend and
make my own high-strung sets.
-Hal
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| 3177.5 | *Kiss* | MILKWY::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Wed Feb 21 1996 11:34 | 12 |
| I think the author is referring to using differant tempered scales
for each instrument to get subtle phase differances.
Anything is possible but in live playing situations, I prefer to use
the *KISS* principle (keep it simple, stupid). I would suggest that
everyone tune to the same scale (using an electronic tuner). By the
time people warm up, the instruments will vary slightly resulting in
the same affect anyways. When you take into account intonation of the
individual instruments, you are going to hear slight variations
anyways.
Mark
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| 3177.6 | | SMURF::wolf95.zk3.dec.com::PBECK | Paul Beck, WASTED::PBECK | Wed Feb 21 1996 12:45 | 3 |
| Another variation is to have one of the guitars be a 12-string. No 12-string in
the history of the breed has ever been in tune, so you get some of the effect
automatically...
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| 3177.7 | | POWDML::MAY_B | | Wed Feb 21 1996 14:01 | 4 |
| My Martin 12 string stays in tune.
Bruce
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| 3177.8 | ... once I *get* it in tune ... | SMURF::wolf95.zk3.dec.com::PBECK | Paul Beck, WASTED::PBECK | Wed Feb 21 1996 15:40 | 1 |
| So does mine, actually...
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| 3177.9 | It's the strings, not the guitar | MILKWY::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Wed Feb 21 1996 16:53 | 11 |
| I have a Guild D25-12 strung with light gauge strings. The Octave G
is a .008 gauge string. This string tends to stretch and become flat.
The rest of the strings stay in tune very well. I blame this more
on the string set than the instrument. I suppose I should try a
heavier set. I should add that I tune this guitar to standard pitch
(not dropped).
One of these days, I'm going to restring one of my guitars to the
Nashville tuning.
Mark
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| 3177.10 | | SMURF::wolf95.zk3.dec.com::PBECK | Paul Beck, WASTED::PBECK | Wed Feb 21 1996 17:45 | 10 |
| Lest we go any deeper into this ... .6 was a joke. The full version of the joke
goes
... a 12-string can never be in tune, because if it were, the sympathetic
vibrations would tear the instrument apart ...
A useful story that I've used on stage a few times when it was time to stop
tuning and start playing... I stole the joke from someone who was using it with
respect to a hammered dulcimer.
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| 3177.11 | | CHEFS::BRIGGS_R | they use computers don't they | Thu Feb 22 1996 05:29 | 10 |
| Re 12 strings. See the topic raised years ago in this conference. Unless
you have 12 individual saddles (i.e. one for each string) where each
has been specifically positioned for a certain gauge string (or where
they are adjustable like on a standard Strat) then a 12 string is, by
definition, always out of tune.
And this is what makes a 12 string sound great. That 'ever so slightly'
out of tune sound.
Richard
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| 3177.12 | | E::EVANS | | Thu Feb 22 1996 10:28 | 7 |
|
Almost every guitar can be put in perfect tuning with open strings. The
problems comes with fretted notes. Then even 6 string guitars have some
notes that are slightly off pitch.
Jim
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| 3177.13 | what about a capo(sp?)?? | AIMTEC::JOHNSON_R | | Thu Feb 22 1996 15:18 | 3 |
| how about have one guitar use a capo(sp?) and play in a different key??
rj/31334
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| 3177.14 | | ASABET::pelkey.ogo.dec.com::pelkey | professional hombre | Thu Feb 22 1996 16:03 | 16 |
| re: base note.. tunings...
as .13 indicated...
capo the second guitar at first position A..
This shortens the scale of the capoed guitar so that
now the first position E is up at the E/B position.
This helps to clean up the low strings and
puts a little separation between the guitars..
re: 12's yea, almost like a built in chorus!
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