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Conference napalm::guitar

Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

3078.0. "Don't you hate it when ..." by OCTAVE::VIGNEAULT (Minister of chiles) Thu May 11 1995 09:05

    
    ... you're out on a gig, the adrenaline is pumping, and you're nailing
    a solo probably the best you ever played, and all of a sudden a vital
    string breaks and the trem shifts out of tune.
    
    ... you step on your umbilical cord to the amp and it unplugs from the
    guitar in the middle of a hot solo you've been waiting for all night.
    
    ... you count off the intro to a tune, and the band thought you were
    playing a different tune than what you were thinking
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3078.1POLAR::KFICZEREThu May 11 1995 09:242
    
    ...You step up to your mike and get 120v across the lips!!
3078.2OCTAVE::VIGNEAULTMinister of chilesThu May 11 1995 09:445
    
    ... you set your mint, scratchless guitar on its stand, and as the 
    drummer leaves the stage, he bumps the crash symbol and you watch as
    it falls and glides across the face of your guitar leaving a nice
    gouge in it's wake.  
3078.3How do you think my Strat looks the way it does?WEDOIT::ABATELLIIn Pipeline HeavenThu May 11 1995 10:319
    RE:  .2 
    
    	Yeah...  so what's your point? The guitar has just increased in
    	value!
    
    	Many  ;^)'s
    
    
    	Fred (who's Strat looks like it's gone to hell and back)
3078.4POWDML::BUCKLEYThu May 11 1995 11:102
    You're thinking of selling ALL your musical gear to help finance a new
    Harley
3078.5NETCAD::HERTZBERGHistory: Love it or Leave it!Thu May 11 1995 11:273
    .0 #2 and .1 :  Go wireless!
    
    
3078.6tales from the cryptRICKS::CALCAGNImore zip stupid juiceThu May 11 1995 11:4316
    ...your wireless picks up a police call in the middle of your solo :-)
    
    ...the other guitarist thought *you* were bringing the extension cords
    
    ...you didn't realize how close to the crash cymbal your ears were
    
    ...your bar tab exceeds your take for the night
    
    ...some drunk wants to sit in
    
    ...that attractive woman who's been checking you out turns out to be a
       guy in drag
    
    ...that attractive woman who's been checking you out has a boyfriend;
       a big one
    
3078.7my most irritatingBIGQ::DCLARKbaseball's back; who cares?Thu May 11 1995 11:564
    a gas grill catches fire outside the tent you're playing in and they
    have to evacuate the tent and bring in an ambulance to haul off the
    people overcome by fumes, then when you get back on stage all your
    stuff is covered with fire extinguisher grit
3078.8RICKS::CALCAGNImore zip stupid juiceThu May 11 1995 11:583
    please try to keep this believable, will ya
    
    :-)
3078.9POLAR::KFICZEREThu May 11 1995 12:502
    ...your singer turns into a raging obnoxious drunk on stage and gets
    you thrown out of the best paying bar in town...for ever!!
3078.10MPGS::MARKEYThe bottom end of Liquid SanctuaryThu May 11 1995 13:2221
    
    - The soundman in some $#!+hole dive tells you they will only
      put vocals through the monitors.
    
    - There are no monitors.
    
    - There is no soundman.
    
    - There are more people in the band than the audience.
    
    - The first thing the owner says to you is that his insurance
      doesn't cover damage to the band or their equipment.
    
    - You play on a Monday night and they tell you that you did
      really well and they're going to invite you back on a big
      night, and it turns out to be a Tuesday.
    
    - The promoter tells you that you can go on last because the
      headliner "just wants to get out of here."
    
    -b
3078.11NETCAD::HERTZBERGHistory: Love it or Leave it!Thu May 11 1995 14:403
    Your rhythm guitarist or drummer absolutely **must** go to the bathroom
    **right now** in the middle of a great set when you got the whole room 
    dancing.
3078.12USPMLO::DESROCHERSWas this ignorance or bliss...Thu May 11 1995 14:419
    
    	The Celtics and Knicks are on the tv's in the finals.
    
    	They put their great grandmother at the table next to
    	the PA.
    
    	There's flourescent lighting right above you.
    
    	
3078.13which do I pay attention to?BIGQ::DCLARKbaseball's back; who cares?Thu May 11 1995 14:453
    re .-1
    
    could be worse, could be the PGA championships on the TV's
3078.14USPMLO::DESROCHERSWas this ignorance or bliss...Thu May 11 1995 14:539
    
    	Dave - actually, the whole bar was watching the tv and
    	not me...
    
    	But, speaking of golf, I have a slot open for sunday
    	at 9:30 at Wachusetts...  didn't know you played!
    
    	Tom
    
3078.15BIGQ::DCLARKbaseball's back; who cares?Thu May 11 1995 15:245
    I play (very badly). I'd be an embarrassment at Wachusett.
    
    But I've been in situations where I've tried to play in a bar
    that had the Bruins on wide-screen TV right above my head. It's 
    not fun.
3078.16Some sacrifices are worth itDREGS::BLICKSTEINMy other piano is a SteinwayThu May 11 1995 15:447
    >> Don't you he it when..
    
    > The Celtics and Knicks are on the tv's in the finals.
    
    That's a sacrifice I'd love to have to make again.
    
    	db - Celtics fan
3078.17"Uh...'Waltz Across Texas' in 4/4 time???"STRATA::PHILLIPSMusic of the spheres.Thu May 11 1995 15:5013
    ....you sit in with a band and deliberately choose a well-known
    standard to play, thinking "There's no WAY they can mess up this
    song"....and the band DOES succeed in butchering it?
    
    ....you're about to intro the first song of the night, and you break an
    essential string (high G# on a pedal steel!)
    
    .... you change said string, and the replacement breaks!
    
    .... you sit in with a band whose monitors are (a) too loud or (b) too
    weak or (c) non-existent ;^)
    
    Eric-who-has-had-ALL-these-happen-to-him!
3078.18POWDML::BUCKLEYThu May 11 1995 16:395
    >Your rhythm guitarist or drummer absolutely **must** go to the bathroom
    >**right now** in the middle of a great set when you got the whole room 
    >dancing.
    
    Time for Blackbird!
3078.19BIGQ::DCLARKbaseball's back; who cares?Thu May 11 1995 17:001
    no, time for Free Bird :-)
3078.20NETCAD::HERTZBERGHistory: Love it or Leave it!Thu May 11 1995 17:123
    >>  Time for Blackbird!
    
    Close, Buck.  For No One is what actually gets dredged up.
3078.21MPGS::MARKEYThe bottom end of Liquid SanctuaryThu May 11 1995 17:1420
    
    - The owner says, "the chain link fence does cut down on the
      number of injuries to the band from flying bottles, but
      unfortunately, it doesn't stop bullets."
    
    - All the groupies have visible open sores.
    
    - The owner says "We don't like any of that new-
      fangled music like... what's his name... Elvis, yeah
      that's it."
    
    - The patrons think that John, Paul, George and Ringo
      are the names of the 4 Gospels.
    
    - The drummer asks if you've ever seen a kit with 4
      bass drums before.
    
    - The owner asks if you mind being paid in food stamps.
    
    -b
3078.22NETCAD::HERTZBERGHistory: Love it or Leave it!Thu May 11 1995 17:552
    The owner is standing near the sound man during sound check and talking
    alot to him.
3078.23MPGS::MARKEYThe bottom end of Liquid SanctuaryThu May 11 1995 18:0122
    
    - The hottest nightspot in town is called "Porky's".
    
    - There's a sign at the entrance to the bar that says
      "Metal detector broken, sorry for the inconvenience".
    
    - You get called to sit in with a band, only to find out
      that you're replacing someone who died in a mysterious
      electrical accident.
    
    - You get called to play a booze cruise with some captain
      whose previous boat was named something like "The Valdez."
    
    - The soundman uses sign language.
    
    - The roadie who rented the truck to carry the equipment
      in looks amazingly like John Doe II.
    
    - The keyboard player is racist, so he won't touch the
      black keys.
    
    -b
3078.24MADMXX::KNOXRock'n'Roll RefugeeTue May 16 1995 19:035
    
    .. the guitarist throws up onstage... right into his monitor wedge!!
    
    /Bill_K
    
3078.25Power Vomiting!KDX200::COOPERRevolution calling!Tue May 16 1995 20:112
    Actually Bill, thats pretty cool in the heavy metal scene...
    :-)
3078.26MLOBU1::BROOKSPhasers don't kill, people killTue May 16 1995 23:459
    ...There's nothin' like getting into an arguement with a drunken patron 
    during a break, getting punched in the mouth, and singing with a bloody 
    lip and loose teeth for the next two sets.
    
    Didn't happen to me personally, but I saw it happen. I even offered
    to sing a few songs for the guy, but the only thing on their setlist
    I knew the words for was AC/DC's Big Balls.
    
    Larry
3078.27ROBRTS::ROBERTSIt's a FACT...Wed May 31 1995 14:573
    ...The crowds getting rowdy, that guy with the large wrench in his
    back pocket is growling and you suddenly realize there isn't a bouncer 
    in the joint.
3078.28Hated This!NETCAD::HERTZBERGHistory: Love it or Leave it!Tue Jun 20 1995 16:0847
My band had a two-night gig from hell due to a psycho club owner on one 
of the cozy islands off Cape Cod.  The thought occurred to me that I 
ought to present some of the highlights for your amusement.

We arrived on Thursday and discovered that the club had a pretty small 
stage... not tiny, but too small for a 4-piece band AND the house system, 
so the house system had to go in front of the stage.  The club decided that 
they could not afford to sacrifice the 8 or 10 square feet of floor space 
during lunch and dinner hours, so they made the sound man break down after 
Friday morning sound check, then set up before and break down after Friday 
night, then set up before Saturday night, none of which he had bargained or 
quoted for.  Needless to say, they could have easily left the speakers 
right where they were... they got a good food crowd but never filled to
the seams.

The club further promised that the house system could go up at 9PM (for a
10PM show), but made no move to clear the space at the agreed-upon time.  
Come about 9:20, we inform the club, very nicely, that we probably won't 
be able to start at 10PM because there won't be enough time to set up the 
sound system.... just want to let you know so there are no surprises.
Their response is that they'll clear the way for the sound when they feel
like it.  At 10PM sharp, the owner and manager are walking around looking 
at their watches, harumphing, and mumbling under their breaths about 
contracts while we and the sound man struggle to get the show under way.

On the second night we get the same treatment, but that isn't quite
enough.  The club owner all of a sudden decides that the placement of
one of the house columns and the mixing board is no good for tonight...
they gotta move several feet _after_ they're all cabled in.

And did I mention them standing there with a soundmeter at sound check
as we play a soft ballad, and telling us "you're right on the
borderline of town ordinances."  Which turned out to be just their
little control game because once the place filled up, the clinking of
glasses was louder than our sound check, they wanted us to be loud anyway, 
and the DJ that played between our sets was deafening.
      
Yes, there were a few saving graces.  The island was beautiful and it was
a nice little vacation, we played well and the crowd liked us, for some 
reason the club paid us in full before we left the island (I guess they 
figured they'd had enough fun), and the sound man, who we were working 
with for the first time, was super professional, did a terrific job for 
us, and took all the crap the club could deal out with a smile on his 
face.  Mick Foret of Foret Sound... somewhere on the shore south of 
Boston, is highly recommended.
                                   
Posting this note makes me feel much better.
3078.29MPGS::MARKEYThe bottom end of Liquid SanctuaryTue Jun 20 1995 16:147
    
    RE: -1
    
    How's about you let us know (quietly like) what the name of the
    club was so we can add it to our "must miss" lists...
    
    -b
3078.30KDX200::COOPERRevolution calling!Tue Jun 20 1995 16:184
    OFf-line please...  It's a no-no.
    :-)
    
    jc (Who's already discussed this, and knew it would come up... :-)
3078.31How about a distribution list for times like this?WEDOIT::ABATELLIIn Pipeline HeavenTue Jun 20 1995 16:267
    
    Someone should make up a distribution list for times like this! 
    
    Hmmmmm...  maybe we should start one?
    
    
    	Fred 
3078.32bumminSTRATA::LUCHTIs it a passion or just a profession?Fri Aug 02 1996 04:4710
    
    ...you slice your left index finger with a razor-sharp brand new
       Leatherman tool while hiking at 5000'?!?!?
    
       This one bled for TWO DAYS straight.  Probably should have gotten
       a stich or two.
    
    CAN YOU SAY RUST?
    Kev --
    
3078.33truth,, It's stranger than fictionASABET::bflat4.ogo.dec.com::pelkeyWed Aug 07 1996 15:2873
your new Marshall amp (4 months old) dies,,
the store sends it in for repair, which you reluctantly agree to...
(hey WTF, it's 4 months old,,,,, Yoikes why not replace it.???)

Momentarily life is bad, dark clouds seem to hang in the air like
balloons of death..  even your dog won't sit near you...

You hold the store manager in contemp, you curse him, you curse his family, 
you curse people who look like him.  Sleepless, you go to the local library 
and look for books titled "Do it yourself Voodoo" and "Killing your enemies 
and making it look like someone you hate even more did it"

5 weeks pass, the amps back, (YAAA!) Life is good once again, the sun
shines, the stars glisten, even your Car seems to run better, your
dog won't leave your side...  

but with in moments, you realize,,,  ARRRGGG it still don't work, (HISSSSSS!)
something new and exciting, oh no-no, not just the same old problem.

Back down on the roller coaster of rock and roll, down, down, down,, back
to the store you go,,, obviously a disturbed man, but a proud man, you
hold your temper, you're nice, you're pleasant, your down right homogenous..

store manager says- "oops,, sorry man.., err,, ah,, umm,, hmp! well, here take
a new one.."  (like, you couldn't save me 5 weeks, and do this up front..
---- weasel!)

and... momentarily, ---  you're happy, life is good,
you now hold the store manager as an icon of humatiy,,  you're kissing
babies, waving to strangers,, even considering giving that hitchiker
a ride to where ever he wants to go...  ---  Yes life *IS* good..

---- till a few days later, when this new amp dies too...
what be this ? An unlikely twist of fate, perhaps yet another factory defect
or better yet, maybe the supreme test of ones reserve, fortatude and
patience...  but no,, indeed,,, a factory defect..

(what-- you mean you shouldn't be able to cook an omlette on top of
your tube amp ??  Hmp! and I thought ALL tubes lite up BLUE and ORANAGE,,
sort-a like halogen lamps!)

No longer happy at all,, (infact, we're begining to approach bipolar
tendancies) you go back to the store,,,  and now you utter the magic
incandation,,, 

	"Don't f**! with me, get this taken care of.."

Store OWNER says, "awe, hey, we'll get you a new amp" ,
store manager says, "awe, hey, we'll get you a new amp",
Company rep says "Yea sure, we'll get him a new amp..."

..time passes,, (Much time,, three weeks to be precise..)
and... you still have --- no amp...

yes,, I *HATE* when this happens..

but I now understand what makes guys buy high powered
rifles, and sit ontop of water towers picking off drivers
of white Chevy Suburbans.. hey ! it's a good deal for 800 bucks...

and if anyone wants to discuss the possibilities of plastic explosives
and timing devices,, contact me off line!!!!

8)

/pelkey,..






3078.34KDX200::COOPERDO something Mister Peabody!Wed Aug 07 1996 15:474
    You've gotta be kidding?  Man!  What a DRAG!!!
    
    BTW - I'm laughing my ass off from reading that note, but I'm bummed
    for you anyway...  Sheesh!
3078.35PIET01::DESROCHERSpsdv.pko.dec.com/tomd/home.htmlWed Aug 07 1996 15:528
    
    	Ray - why can't they give you some sort of comparable loaner
    	until yours comes in?  If you have problems with a Lexus or
    	Infiniti car, they even loan you the next higher model!
    
    	Sorry about that, I'd be really disappointed.
    	Tom
    
3078.36SSDEVO::LAMBERTWe ':-)' for the humor impairedWed Aug 07 1996 16:0425
   > hey ! it's a good deal for 800 bucks...

   And at that, much cheaper than therapy!

   Sorry to hear about your troubles (great note, btw) but please;  I'm
   trying to *sell* a Marshall.  Shhh....  :-)

   Just kidding, folks.  As we all know, there are lemons out there.  It
   really is unfortunate that you should run into two consecutive ones.
   Recent (perhaps) QC problems?  A bad "batch" to the same distributor, then
   onto the same dealer?  Dumb luck?  Pelkey luck?  :-)  

   Just how hot did the second one get?  I've had amps that glow blue and
   orange, and get too hot to touch the top after a 3-4 hour practice, but
   always considered that "normal".  Even my Stewart ss power amp gets too
   hot to touch after a while, at least on the heat sinks...

   > and if anyone wants to discuss the possibilities of plastic explosives
   > and timing devices,, contact me off line!!!!

   Better act now, before those "tough anti-terrorism measures" take effect. 
   :-)

   -- Sam

3078.37ASABET::bflat4.ogo.dec.com::pelkeyWed Aug 07 1996 17:2636
RE: Loaner...  They've offered, I've got a Crate VC30
that I picked up for chump change this past spring, so
that's been my back up,,,  and when needed, the store was
more than willing to let me take anything I wanted, which
I did for the first gig I had with my current band..

(That sort of sucked,, first gig, and I had to use a borrowed
amp... what a pissa.  it was a 60 watt 1x12 JTM 60, didn't have
the teeth the 2x12 has...)



First amp had bad tubes, that failed after 4 months.  When they 
replaced the tubes, they obviously put more shitty tubes in, cause 
after they heated up, they'd start crakling and spitting...  

the second amp got wicked hot after about 20 minutes, and again,
more crackling and spitting,, normally, the caps of the tubes would
glow, but on this amp, the entire tube was lit up like a night
light,, with little blue specs all over the glass.

that seemed to be a biasing problem and  the JTMs have no biasing 
adjustment acording to Neil Orsi.

And yea, it's gotta be Pelkey luck...  I spoke with Marc Gordon
on Monday night, and he said they've sold about 20 off these
JTM 60-2x12s since they came out, and none but mine have had probs.

So Marc and the rep have agreed to replace the amp AGAIN, I'm just
still sitting and waiting.......  Should now more by the end of the
week....


It sucks though...


3078.38ASABET::pelkey.ogo.dec.com::pelkeyprofessional hombreThu Aug 08 1996 13:5416
I just called around, and folks have the JTM60 2x12 instock
and are willing to match the price I paid...

So then i called the store, and uttered the magic
incadation

	"I want my money back"

I gave them till tomorrow afternoon to verify when i'll get
this resolved......  I told them by the end next week was 
acceptable, but anything beyond next week, and it's refund time..

I'm really growing tired of this nonsense...

/r

3078.39EVER::GOODWINThu Aug 08 1996 14:109
    Ray-  I'm bummin' to read of your continuing aggravation...  I can't
    believe the p!ss poor luck you've had.  You're more than generous to
    give them next week... I'd be inclined to give them till the end of
    the day. 
    
    Guess I should consider myself lucky that I've had no problems with
    any of the Kitty Hawk M1's, though they do tend to run very hot.
    
    /Steve
3078.40ASABET::pelkey.ogo.dec.com::pelkeyprofessional hombreThu Aug 08 1996 15:373
thanks Steve.. visit me at the state hospital,, wont you !?


3078.41PHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallThu Aug 08 1996 16:211
    I'm kinda surprised.  My M1 doesn't run hot.
3078.42CTPCSA::GOODWINThu Aug 08 1996 16:3110
    -1
    
    Mike- that's interesting.... all of mine have always gotten very hot
    after a few hours of continuous use.  I always thought it was kind of
    normal for them.  The power supply transformers get too hot to touch,
    but (knock wood) none of them have ever had any failures or problems.
    BTW- is yours still on consignment?  Remember, you can keep me in mind
    if necessary.
    
    /Steve
3078.43RICKS::CALCAGNIlike lightning giving birthThu Aug 08 1996 17:267
    My Super Champ had this problem (power transformer too hot to touch).
    I noticed it all of a sudden one day when the turning off the power
    switch (it seemed unusually warm).  Neal Orsi went all through the
    thing, couldn't find anything wrong, even swapped in a NOS power
    transformer and it also ran hot.  So I just stopped worrying about it.
    
    /rick
3078.44PHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallThu Aug 08 1996 18:211
    1 more month.  if I break it early it will cost me.
3078.45I *hate* it when I do this!FABSIX::E_PHILLIPSMusic of the spheres.Thu May 15 1997 10:4017
    DYHIW....
    
    You're tearing down after a gig, you twist a mike stand clutch to
    collapse the stand....
    
    ....the top of the stand slides down with a "sssss-CHUNK!"...
    
    ....and because you're in a hurry and don't get your hand outta the
    way, it pinches you inside your index finger and draws blood. Ouch!
    This happened to me last night after the gig. "Oh, the pain...." (in my
    best Dr. Zachary Smith voice.....)
    
    OK everyone....'fess up!  Who's been a victim to the plummeting mike
    stand? :^O
    
    						--Eric--
    
3078.46NEWVAX::LAURENTHal Laurent @ COPThu May 15 1997 11:1621
re: .45
    
>    You're tearing down after a gig, you twist a mike stand clutch to
>    collapse the stand....

>    ....the top of the stand slides down with a "sssss-CHUNK!"...

>    ....and because you're in a hurry and don't get your hand outta the
>    way, it pinches you inside your index finger and draws blood. Ouch!
>    This happened to me last night after the gig. "Oh, the pain...." (in my
>    best Dr. Zachary Smith voice.....)
>    
>    OK everyone....'fess up!  Who's been a victim to the plummeting mike
>    stand? :^O
    
I have done that one, but I'm more likely to get bitten by trying to carry
more than one mike stand at a time in one hand.  Invariably, I manage to 
smash a finger between two of the shafts. :-)

-Hal

3078.47You'd think I'd learn by now... :^(FABSIX::E_PHILLIPSMusic of the spheres.Thu May 15 1997 11:229
    Re. .46
    
>I have done that one, but I'm more likely to get bitten by trying to carry
>more than one mike stand at a time in one hand.  Invariably, I manage to 
>smash a finger between two of the shafts. :-)
    
    Uh-huh, me too.... 8^O
    
    						--Eric--
3078.48STAR::KMCDONOUGHSET KIDS/NOSICKThu May 15 1997 11:249
    
    
    I haven't done that, but we have added so much stuff to the PA rack
    that it weighs an absolute ton.  If we ever take a gig that has a
    flight of stairs, we'll have to leave it on the street and run the
    snake down to it. 8-)
    
    Kevin
    
3078.49Oh my achin' back!FABSIX::E_PHILLIPSMusic of the spheres.Thu May 15 1997 12:1916
    Re. .48 and heavy stuff...
    
    Yeah, that reminds me.....
    
    DYHIW flights of steps are inevitable and the gear is heavy?  I used to
    dread playing the (now defunct) Lazy Armadillo in Marlboro because it
    was on a second floor....
    
    Or worse, back in 1976 when I used to have to lug my 2x15" bass cabinet
    up TWO flights of steps to my apartment cause I was afraid of it
    getting ripped off.  Things improved a bit when I finally went to a
    single-unit Peavey Combo 300.  They improved a lot when I moved into a
    house trailer -- 4 steps up -- now if we can just avoid gigs that
    involve flights of stairs ;^)
    
    					-- Grandpappy Eric --
3078.50blast from the pastPHXS01::HEISERMaranatha!Thu May 15 1997 12:512
    If we remember Dr. Zach Smith too, does that mean we're also
    "grandpappies"?
3078.51KDX200::COOPERThere is no TRY - DO or DO NOT!Fri May 16 1997 13:593
    Ouch.  Yep, thanks for the painful memories of that pinched 'web'.  I
    think I've done that a couple of times.  It hurts more the second time,
    too because you feel so stupid.  :-)