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Conference napalm::guitar

Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

2466.0. "Buzzin' B String" by CHEFS::BRIGGSR (Four Flat Tyres on a Muddy Road) Mon Mar 09 1992 06:44

    
    A friend has a new Strat with a buzzing B string. The open string makes
    a mechanical buzzing which gets transmitted through the pickups
    resulting in an amplified buzzing as well. A number of observations....
    
    1) Buzzes when open even though no part of the string is touching the
    fretboard.
    
    2) Buzzes even if you damp all other strings.
    
    3) Pickup select does not affect the amplified buzzing (ie its not
    specific to a pickup).
    
    4) Buzzes even if you damp the string on the headstock.
    
    5) Buzzes no matter how you wiggle the saddle, string rollers on
    headstock or anything else. 
    
    6) Does not appear to be a resonance from something else although it
    COULD be.
    
    7) Have NOT changed the strings. Could this honestly make a difference?
    
    I've never encountered anything like this is 20 plus years of playing.
    Anyone any ideas (apart from taking it back to the shop)?
    
    Richard
    Readng, UK
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2466.1My 2 penn'orthMVSUPP::SYSTEMDave Carr 845-2317Mon Mar 09 1992 10:1612
Is the buzzing coming from the nut? It could be cut too deep (assuming it's
not a roller-nut).
It may just be a setup problem though. In my recent experience (I bought 2
USA Std. Strats last year), these days Strats aren't that well set-up from
the factory.

You asked for suggestions "apart from taking it back to the shop"; 
If it's a brand new Strat' I would _definitely_ take it back to the shop
and complain (rather than start tweaking the truss rod etc.).
You should not have to put up with a buzzing string on a brand new geetar.

*DC
2466.2Only an open string buzz?GOES11::G_HOUSENow I'm down in itMon Mar 09 1992 10:4710
    Does the B string buzz when it's fretted (anywhere)?  If not, then the
    nut slot for that string is probably cut too deep.  I've seen this in
    older guitars where the nuts have worn down.
    
    Easily fixable by replacement of refitting.  I fixed the bone nut in
    one of my guitars by filing a little bit of bone off the top of it,
    placing that in the slot that was too deep and sealing it with a drop
    of super glue.  Works great, and it's been that way for over a year. 
    
    Greg
2466.3KDX200::COOPERStep UP to the RACK !Mon Mar 09 1992 12:064
    Be gentle with that SuperGlue though - a little too much of that stuff
    and you'll disintigrate (sp?) the nut.  
    
    jc (Who superglued a motorcycle part that turned to dust !!)
2466.4What??GOES11::G_HOUSENow I'm down in itMon Mar 09 1992 12:505
    Disintegrate it?  Not a chance.  Bone is pretty much impervious to
    stuff like that.  Plastic nuts are junk and should be replaced
    anyway...
    
    Greg
2466.5KDX200::COOPERStep UP to the RACK !Mon Mar 09 1992 12:522
    I guess I'm ASSuming that the nut *is* plastic...  At any rate,
    be gentle.  :)
2466.6Honest Officer, it's bone powder!RAVEN1::BLAIRRen and Stimpy...the Lost EpisodesMon Mar 09 1992 13:227
    
    	I don't remember if Greg mentioned this...  For best results,
    	mix a small amount of the nut bone powder (filings) with the 
    	super glue, then apply to the slot with a toothpick.  This makes
    	the filler stronger and looks like it never happened.  If you are
    	nice, you can talk your local repair shop into giving you a small
    	amount of the, er, ah, white powder.
2466.7I'd do it the other way, but whatever..GOES11::G_HOUSENow I'm down in itMon Mar 09 1992 13:339
    Re: Pat
    
    The best way I've heard of is to actually fill the slow with the dry
    bone powder before you put the super glue in it.  That way it's where
    you want it and the resulting fill material is primarily bone (as
    opposed to primarily superglue.  Then you cut and shape your slot
    again, like it was a new piece of bone.
    
    Greg
2466.8RAVEN1::BLAIRRen and Stimpy...the Lost EpisodesMon Mar 09 1992 15:575
    
    Sounds good.  I guess I'm using the bondo filler approach.  Good to 
    get different techniques though.
    
    -pat
2466.9FWIWGOES11::G_HOUSENow I'm down in itMon Mar 09 1992 16:323
    Seems to me that would be more likely to fall out after awhile...
    
    Greg
2466.10RAVEN1::BLAIRRen and Stimpy...the Lost EpisodesMon Mar 09 1992 17:126
    
    	That's the way my guitar shop guy explained it to me and 
    	it works great.  Seems like if you put powder in the slot, 
    	then super glue over it (is that correct?), it would be more 
    	likely to come loose.  I'm sure you know what you are talking 
    	about though.
2466.11YepGOES11::G_HOUSENow I'm down in itTue Mar 10 1992 13:074
    That's what I was talking about.  The super glue goes through the bone 
    dust and grabs onto the main part of the nut.  Works great!
    
    Greg
2466.12CHEFS::BRIGGSRFour Flat Tyres on a Muddy RoadWed Mar 11 1992 08:147
    
    Thanks for the responses. Certainly, from what I recall of the
    symptoms, this could indeed be the problem. I'll have a llok.
    
    
    	Richard