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Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

2544.0. "Neck through body guitars" by KERNEL::FLOWERS (Oh well, whatever, nevermind....) Wed Jul 01 1992 06:28

    
    	Hi all,
    
    	I'm wondering if anyone can give me some advice on which make of 
    	guitars to check out......I was playing last night and it's no
    	good, I *need* a better guitar. I've been getting right into
    	Metallice/Megadeth recently (yep I admit it...I want to be a speed
    	metal guitarist :-) and I've decided I want a neck through body
    	guitar. I'm playing a Charvel at the moment and although I love the
    	neck generally, trying to play all those super fast widdly bits at
    	the 20th fret is nigh on impossible (ok its not impossible, but with
    	that great block of wood where the neck screws on it's not exactly
    	comfortable...)
    
    	So what's the word on the streets? I guess a Jackson would be the 
    	logical choice? What are they like regarding price/performance? 
    	How about Ibanez? Do they do any neck through body guitars? Help
    	me out people!
    
    	J
    	
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2544.1PEKING::BARKERNDries in minutesWed Jul 01 1992 08:535
    Paul Reed Smith,   Best guitars in the world.
    
    IMHO
    
    Nigel
2544.2KERNEL::FLOWERSOh well, whatever, nevermind....Wed Jul 01 1992 08:556
    
    
    	Ok but what sort of profile necks do they have? I'm into really
    thin fairly wide necks. Preferably with 24 frets...
    
    	
2544.3NEWOA::DALLISONTime out, this is the real worldWed Jul 01 1992 09:1713
2544.4NEWOA::DALLISONTime out, this is the real worldWed Jul 01 1992 09:182
    
    BTW, PRS Guitars are for very average players  8^)
2544.5Don't listen to me, I'm only a Bass playerPEKING::BARKERNDries in minutesWed Jul 01 1992 09:3117
2544.6Carvin DC135RAVEN1::BLAIRBelay that nose picking, Cadet!Wed Jul 01 1992 11:291
    
2544.7no-brainerGLDOA::REITERWed Jul 01 1992 13:1649
    Buy a Carvin DC135, or any Carvin (assuming they're all neck-through).
    Price, quality, playability, selection, custom design at a stock price,
    thin neck, you got it.
    
    The balance of this note I plagiarized from an old note of mine:
    
    Carvin only sells mail-order, with a few showrooms in California.  They
    make electric guitars, basses, amps, and PA systems in USA.  They
    advertise heavily and publish a catalog that you can get by calling
    800-854-2235.  Basically, every guitar is built-to-order for you from
    the base models and options and finishes listed.  There is a 10-day
    "keep/no-keep" trial period.

    The DC135 is the three pickup configuration 6-string solid-body
    electric, a neck-through design with in-line peghead, kind of
    Strat-like.  It has 3 mini-switches, one for each pickup (5-position sw
    is optional).  Although they are all humbuckers, the mid and neck look
    like single coils, and the lead pickup is a double (the others are
    "stacked humbuckers"). 
    
    (*** If I had it to do over, I might have added the coil-splitter
    switch, but I can't remember why I didn't get it in the first place.)
    
    I ordered the fixed-bridge model; the trem adds $100 to the price.  I
    also ordered black chrome hardware, strap locks, and no dot inlays
    (side dots only), and the tung-oil finished Koa wood (no gloss).  Aside
    from the frets and the standard .009 strings, everything else is wood
    or black.  While they were building the axe, they upgraded their 1992
    line to include Sperzl locking tuners, which I had them add to mine. 

    With a hard case and freight, the bottom line was $704. 

    The guitar is definitely a quality product, with all fit and finish
    looking, playing, and sounding good. 

    One of the features is the playability of the neck.  I had not paid
    that much attention to neck radius before, but this neck is so thin
    that the standard Shubb capo barely gives enough pressure fully
    adjusted.  Between that and their trademark low action, it feels like
    there is nothing you can't do on this neck. 

    I took it over to my guitar teacher for a thorough checkout and
    adjustment, and he was impressed, especially with its clean tone and
    its ability to hold correct tuning and/or intonation over various parts
    of the neck that challenge other guitars (I don't totally follow what
    he was saying but it was good).  He was also blown away by how hot the
    M22 lead pickup was, and he had to adjust it further from the strings
    than he expected. 
    \Gary
2544.8KERNEL::FLOWERSOh well, whatever, nevermind....Wed Jul 01 1992 13:3811
    
    
    Re .7
    
    
    	Sounds nice but I'm just a tad wary of buying a guitar sight unseen
    	from an outfit 4000 miles (give or take a few?) away...
    
    
    	J (UK guitarist....)
    
2544.9...and have fun shopping!GOES11::G_HOUSEBlack Sheets Of RainWed Jul 01 1992 13:5323
    While PRS makes great guitars, I don't personally think they're well
    suited to speed metal.  Seems a lot of the the metalhead types go for
    Jacksons.  I've played a couple and they were pretty nice.  I think the
    pickups that come stock in 'em suck though.  Not what I'd expect for a
    $1500 guitar.
    
    I'll second the vote for Ibanez.  They make excellent guitars at great
    prices.  A lot of metal players are using them too.  One example would
    be Alex Skolnick from Testament.  He uses a 540R model, which I like a
    little better then the 550/570, since the necks are slightly rounder. 
    The necks on these guitars are really fast and the access to the upper
    frets is great despite the bolt on necks.  
    
    You might also check out one of the newer Washburn's which use a
    special neck joint supposed to allow better access to the high frets. 
    I haven't played one myself, but I've seen people playing them.
    
    Some of the ESPs are good for that too, but a lot of the ones I've seen
    lately have medium fretwire.  That's cool if you're into that, I prefer
    large frets myself.
    
    Greg
                       
2544.10GLDOA::REITERWed Jul 01 1992 13:5918
    re:  .8
    
    What do you think, I'm made of money?  :7)
    I was leery of buying a L400 (pound) axe sight unseen myself.
    
    Read the fine print (my note).  There's a 10-day no questions asked
    return privilege that ought to help out, although I don't know if it
    applies to overseas customers.
    
    Don't forget, music stores buy virtually everything before trying it,
    unless they go to trade shows.  And they go out of business if they
    make too many wrong purchases.  The same is true of camera stores,
    electronics, furniture, appliances, etc.
    
    If you buy a guitar, you ought to be able to test it out in 10 days.
    Do you take ten days in a store!?
    
    \Gary
2544.11KDX200::COOPERA regular model of restraint...Wed Jul 01 1992 14:2413
I gotta plug Ibanez too, and add some...

I used to play Charvels.  Your right - access to the higher frets is limited,
because the body/neck joint.  I don't the neck-thru Jacksons and Charvels
are much better, there is still a large chuck of wood there, it's just doesn't
have bolts.

The Ibanez RG5%0 series guitars have super fast necks...And while I love my 
550, I also have a USA Custom Ibanez that has a completely different neck 
joint, and for high-position fingering, beats out the Jackson neck thrus and
the 5%0' series.

Jacksons have killer paint jobs...
2544.13CAVLRY::BUCKVomit CometWed Jul 01 1992 17:312
    I played an Oddessy and liked it a lot.  Great tone.  Other P-word
    guitar convertee's in here seem to agree.
2544.14HEDRON::DAVEBStranger in a strange landWed Jul 01 1992 17:485
Check out ESP's both the M1 and M2 customs, and the horizon custom are
neck throughs...I really like my M1 custom.


dbii and they have as killer a paint job as any jackson!
2544.15KDX200::COOPERA regular model of restraint...Wed Jul 01 1992 17:505
I saw a Jackson one time that had a Scrimshaw type design on it - it
was WICKED !

But it had J word pickemups in ..
jc
2544.16LEDS::BURATIlet's play step on antsThu Jul 02 1992 19:111
Fender Custom shop has just put out a new Neck-thru-body Strat.
2544.17Carvin in the UKIOSG::CREASYA magnificent octopus!Thu Jul 09 1992 09:337
    J,
    
    If you want to try Carvin guitars in the UK, try giving ABC Music in
    Kingston a call. Last time I talked to Graham (the manager) he said
    they were going to stock Carvins...
    
    Nick
2544.18KERNEL::FLOWERSRun speed = 94bpm, Target = 140Mon Jul 20 1992 08:5017
    
    Well chaps, just to update you, I went and checked out a lot of
    different guitars (mainly Ibanez and Jackson's) and....
    
    
    	I'm gonna stick with the Charvel, all the guitars I tried were nice 
    but they were all cost about 500 quid more than my Charvel....and I
    couldn't feel (or hear) 500 pounds worth of difference.....yeh they
    were nice but not *that* different....
    
    
    So I think I'm gonna upgrade the pickups in my Charvel (1 single coil
    size humbucker with two blades and one regular humbucker) any ideas
    on which make? (Seymour Duncans), I think I'm after a balls to wall
    type Megadeth sound....
    
    J
2544.19I know, full of useful advice 8^)NEWOA::DALLISONDisturbing my little peaceMon Jul 20 1992 11:166
    
    Jason, get an EMG in the bridge position - thats what I have in my
    Charvel and it sounds great!
    
    -Tony (interestingly enough playing his Charvel today to get used to 
           it again for Wednesday's gig - its my backup axe).
2544.20EMG all the way !ESBTRX::KALINOWSKIMon Jul 20 1992 12:332
    I use a Charvel with  an EMG 85 in the bridge and 2 EMG SA single coils
    in the neck and middle position. This is an awesome sounding setup !!!
2544.21MIDDAY::CooperTue Jul 21 1992 13:486
In my Ibanez, I have Dimarzio PAF-Pros' and they RIP!

(Not saying that S-D's suck - just another possible route)

jc
2544.22CAVLRY::BUCKDon't fear, Love will make us strongTue Jul 21 1992 14:021
    EMG's roool!
2544.23HEDRON::DAVEBStranger in a strange landTue Jul 21 1992 14:463
Buck did you get some EMG's???

dbii
2544.24RAVEN1::JERRYWHITERen, what's `TFSO' mean ?Tue Jul 21 1992 16:273
    Lace Sensors rool ... get a life ...  8^)
    
    Scary
2544.25CSC32::H_SORedline? What redline?Wed Jul 22 1992 00:3010
Yo, Scary!  Get me one, pleeeez?  8*)

RE: Pickups

I like my guitars to have different tones for different purposes, and of course, 
have different colors for the different outfits.

8*)

Jmystr
2544.26RICKS::CALCAGNIsing like an eagleWed Jul 22 1992 11:571
    Hey J-Dot, zat you?  Long time, no hear
2544.27Blaster from the paster, it's Jmystr!CSC32::H_SORedline? What redline?Sat Jul 25 1992 02:014
What's with this J-Dot stuff????  
8*)

Jmystr, J-Dot, J. take yer pick.  8*)