Conference napalm::guitar

here here!  A good effort by someone I thought was making table candles
in a rest home..

The first one I ever hoid was 'illustrated man' one day, headin home from
work..  Says to myself, "If I didn't know any better, I'd say fer sure
that was Johnny Winter"  - well shut mah mouth, --- it was..

I hear he's put the ol Firebird asside (cept for slide) and gone the
Stienberg Route.  (gawd, I don't know how anyone can get used to them
things..)

But yea, sounds great.  It's a disc that was on my list afta the
latest SRV (unreleased) disc.

    
    	Yeah, the pics I've seen are with his Steinberger but there's
    	no pic or mention of what he plays in this one.
    
    	But it sure sounds like the Firebird - real hot tone and every
    	note jumps out!
    
    	Another one is called "Hey You" and one verse he yells "Hey you"
    	and "Yeah you" and then the next verse his band echo's him with
    	"Who Me?" and "Me?".  Then he rips thru the solo.
    
    	My vote for best lyrics of the year!
    
    	Tom 
    

	Well Johnny just played up here in Barre, Vt. of all places.
	He used the Steinberg (or whatever it is) on all but two songs,
	which were slide tunes that he used the Firebird for.

	He did a good show considering he must constanstly be on the
	road playing several times a week.  He is actaully quite a
	road warrier.  

	He's also put out several records in the last five or six years.
	He had four on Alligator records since about 1985 and his latest
	is on Point Blank.  Still cranking....  He's gotta be close to if
	not in his fifties..  He looks a little on the worn side.  

	He did several songs from Let Me In, but he also did lots of stuff
	that I don't think he has officially released.  He probably knows
	thousands of blues tunes.  He even did his christmas song "Come
	Home for Christmas".  

	_gary

    
    Hey, I got tickets to see Johnny at Clemson Univ at a nice
    stage/theater.  I'm pumped.  Gawd, I'd pee my pants if he did 
    some stuff of "Still Alive and Well"!
    
    -pat

    
    	Hey Pat - I'd get the new one before the show (altho it's not
    	like he does any weird progressions - it's his playing).
    
    	Man, being in a band like his would be such a trip!!  It's that
    	rockin' berserk riffin' that most audiences can get into.
    

    I got a gift certificate from a music store, so I might me grabbing
    this pup today.   8^)
    
    Scary
    
    ps - Pat, I want my Buddy Guy CD back !   8^)

re: 3  Firebird vs. Stienberg.

I came away with the same idea,,, sounded like the Reverse F.B.
to me as well, till I talked to another six string totin, J.W.
fan, who caught a bit of reading that said most of the album
was the steinberger, cept for the slide...

    Saw Johnny about 6 months ago at Great Woods, blew me away. Had a
    chance to see hiom at the paradise and I got to lean on th stage
    monitor with his mike stand about a foot ahead of me. I was in total
    awe. I was so close the guy behind me actually was overcome and just
    had to reach out and touch his boot which he could do easily, I mean i
    was close. I went to see him 4 days later in the same type of venue and
    got got just as close in the PERL Club in North hampton. I have always
    been a Johnny Winter fan but this really sinched it. I have been
    playing his stuff by the hour and playing along as best I can. His
    style is SOOOoooo kool!!! I spent one whole poerformance studying his
    right hand and the other performance checking out his left....either
    could be subjects for separate guitar books!!.
    
    	the guitar was a white starnge shaped thing that had the letters
    ERLEWINE in gold across it as if it was the brand. Is that really a
    stienberger? He did pull out the firebird for the slide work. He's just
    like a fine wine....he keeps getting better with age. I agree he
    deserves much more recognition in the notes file and in general.
    
    	A good tape which I have duped is Johnny Winter Live. It's from a
    1984? concert in Toronto Canada. It's the same configuration as he is
    currently using for the tour but with different players that is, power
    trio. He is a must see for anybody that is into guitar and go out andd
    get the CD.
    
    					--Fred
    

    Johnny's headless guitar was originally an IMC Lazer (cheapo Japanese
    thing) which he had extensively reworked by luthier Dan Erlewine.  Since
    then, I think Erlewine has been making them on a special order basis.
    
    						Brian

re: -.1

>    Johnny's headless guitar was originally an IMC Lazer (cheapo Japanese
>    thing) which he had extensively reworked by luthier Dan Erlewine.  Since
>    then, I think Erlewine has been making them on a special order basis.

The guitar he had in Barre, Vt earlier this month was a different one than
the one he has on several of his album covers.  On Winter of '88 he has the
Lazer... the one he is playing now has a different shape to it.
    

    
    	I'm gonna be in the 5th row, dead center on Jan 18th
    
    	-pat

    re: .5
    >  Man, being in a band like his would be such a trip!!  It's that
    >        rockin' berserk riffin' that most audiences can get into.
     
    	Yep, but since he hasn't called me up lately to join his band ;^)
    I did the next best thing...
    (set/mode=SHAMELESS_plug)
    	I got together with an old friend who's been a Winter fan since
    waaay back...come see the CHARLIE DEE BLUES BAND and watch Charlie play
    his Firebird V, doing his tribute to Johnny during such tunes as "Rolling
    and Tumblin' Blues", "Close to Me", "Mad Blues", and "Stranger
    Blues"...
    (set/mode=NOSHAMELESS)
    Tom T.
    

    
    	Tom T - good plug!
    
    	But maybe I should have been clearer - I don't want to just be
    	_in_ a band like that - I have to be the lead guitarist!!!
    
    	How's this - The Tommy Summer Band ??
    
    	Yeah, that's the ticket!  ;^)
    

    Hey, did this happen to anyone else?  A couple of weeks
    ago, I heard Carson say something like "our guests next
    week include Johnny Winters, etc. etc.".  I was psyched.
    Yeah, Carson's been getting some decent musical acts on
    lately to pull in that young crowd; this was a big step
    in the right direction.
    
    That next week, I tuned in every night and listened to the
    line-up of guests.  Imagine my disappointment when it turned
    out to be...
    
    you guessed it, comedian Jonathan Winters.  Majah bumma!

>    you guessed it, comedian Jonathan Winters.  Majah bumma!


	I remember he did that to me back in 1970!  Must be a favorite
	trick of his ;-)

    
    	His "Let Me In" album is up for a grammy in the Contemporary
    	Blues category against "Albert Collins" by AC, "Damn Right
    	I've Got the Blues" by Buddy Guy, "Live - Simply the Best"
    	by Irma Thomas, and "Signature" by Charlie Musselwhite.
    
    	Anyone know anything about those albums?
    
    

    Damn Right etc. is a GREAT album. Total out-of-control blues
    paying on a lot of those tracks. HOT vrsion of Mustang Sally with
    Jeff Beck.
    
    - Dave

    
    
    Johnny's got another album out - can't remember the name right now,
    'cause it's out in the car, but he's got some righteous tone and he's
    doing the usual tasty blues riffs in the most casual manner. 
    Definitely an album for blues players.
    
    He's got the Lazer on the front cover, and a big hollow body on the
    back cover.  I've just got to believe that the tone I'm liking so much
    had to come from that hollow body - real mellow, and no need for a
    resonance control, if you know what I mean...
    

    It's called "Hey, Where's Your Brother?".  I practically wore out his
    last CD, "Let Me In", but this one has taken over regular rotation in
    my house.  My 2 year old son had been getting a steady dose of Johnny
    Winter all his life :-)
    
    Edgar guests on a couple of tracks on various instruments, but not that
    you'd really notice.  My current favorite is "Check Out Her Mama".
    
    /rick

    
    A little Johnny Winter update.  My daughter, who is nineteen and
    doesn't know a thing about guitars or Johnny Winter, saw him at
    Stratton Mtn. in Vermont over the weekend of the 4th.  She was totally
    blown away, she must have bent my ear for a full half-hour last night.  
    She said he played mostly slide on a Gibson (she got real 
    close to the stage cause she knew I'd ask, I bet it was that Firebird 
    he generally uses).
    
    She said the crowd really ate up his performance, people were going
    nuts.  It's great to see that Johnny is still touring and giving good
    performances.  Anyone seen him on this current tour? (I was very envious
    when my daughter told me she was headed up to Stratton to see him).
    By the way, the remnants of the Band and Leon Russell also played at
    this gig, she said the Band was so-so and Leon was real good, but
    that Mr. Winter stole the show.
                                                       
    Al
    
     

    
    
    Not a Johnny note, but Edgar....
    
    I happened to cruise past VH-1's "Midnight Special" show last night,
    Wolfman Jack and all.  One of the featured sessions was the Edgar
    Winter Group doing "Frankenstein."  You know, those guys were terrific! 
    I have no idea who the guitar player was, he had a Gibson SG and did a
    great job with the tune!  Edgar had this ARP 2600 on stage and was
    tweaking the switches to get the bizzare sounds in the middle of the
    tune.  Looked to be Dan Hartman on bass.
    
    It was very live and very well played....those guys were GOOD
    musicians!
    
    Kevin
    

re: .21
    
>    I have no idea who the guitar player was, he had a Gibson SG and did a
>    great job with the tune!

My memory's not what it used to be, but wasn't Edgar Winter's guitar
player Rick Derringer?


-Hal

for the album the that Frankenstien was on, I think it was
Ronnie Montrose on guitar not sure how much  touring he 
did with Edgar, but I recall seeing one set of E. Winter
concert footage with Montrose...

If I recall correctly, this same release included Free 
Ride..  

/pelksta

    
    	"They Only Come Out at Night"
    
    	Yes, "Free Ride" was on there also, as well as one other recogniz-
    	able song which I can't name right now.
    
    	And I can picture the album cover but can't remember if it was
    	Derringer or Montrose on guitar.  But I'm almost sure it was Mont-
    	rose.
    

    
    	They were fantastic for sure.  I also think it was Montrose.  But 
    	I did see them live with Derringer doing that tune.  Edgar did the
    	keys, sax, and drum solos in the tune.  I always found that Dan
    	Hartman wrote the best tunes to me.  
    
    	Also, I'm surprised both Edgar and Johnny are still alive. 
    	Albinos don't tend to have a very long lifespan unfortunately.
    

    Ronnie Montrose is definitely the guitarist on the album.  He was also
    in the band when I saw them live, Thanksgiving day 1973 (with Jan
    Akkerman/Focus opening, yowza!).
    
    But, I don't think I've ever seen Ronnie with an SG in his hands.
    
    /rick
    
    ps is the Midnight Special on every night?  I caught it last Friday and
    thought it might just be a Friday night thing.
    

    
    
    I didn't recognize the guitar player, he had black
    short-for-the-time-period hair. Looked like a teenager. 8-|
    
    I'll have to dig out the chart for Frankenstein, there are some very
    clever bits...very horn like.  I remember trying to play them!
    
    As an aside, the entire "Midnight Special" show is a hoot to watch. Dr.
    Hook doing "Rolling Stone," Billie Preston, etc.  My kids thought that
    the hair/clothes were a laugh riot.
    
    Kevin 
    

   < I didn't recognize the guitar player, he had black
   < short-for-the-time-period hair. Looked like a teenager. 8-|

That could be either Montrose or Derringer,,

Both had the baby face thing happenin, and both guys are pretty 
small in stature,, .. notice I didn't say short...


/shorty..

    
    	Derringer isn't small any more, but he is short.  8^)
    

    THEY ONLY COME OUT AT NIGHT
    EDGAR WINTER
    (Epic) 1972
    
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Tracks:
    
    HANGIN' AROUND
    WHEN IT COMES
    ALTA MIRA
    FREE RIDE
    UNDERCOVER MAN
    ROUND & ROUND
    ROCK N ROLL BOOGIE WOOGIE
    AUTUMN
    WE ALL HAD A REAL GOOD TI
    FRANKENSTEIN

    
    	"We All Had a Real Good Time" was the one I was thinking of.
    
    	Thanks, Mark.
    

    
    I seen the VH-1 thing, and I was geeking!!  Awesome performance.  
    BTW, that was definitely NOT Rick Derringer.
    
    

    I caught the show too.... I remember thinking the "kid" on guitar must
    have been 16 or 17 years old.   He seemed a bit tentative on the stage
    but he played well (for a young punk kid).   The Dr. Hook "Cover of the
    Rolling Stone" was way entertaining.   They had some kind of a private
    joke with the guitar stand.   Anyone know what that was all about?
    
    ...or maybe these guys just laughed like that all the time. (???)
    Mike

    Ronnie Montrose was the guitar slinger with Edgar Winter on Midnite
    Special. Saw him live with edgar a few times at the Orpheum, & his stage
    act is/was very similar to Derringer's. Montrose went on to form his own 
    band "Montrose" with singer Sammy Hager " remember him? Hager went on
    and joined VH after a haiatus when Montrose fired him because of his 
    behavior on stage.... 
    Too many years ago to remember all the details, but I have "ALL" of 
    the montrose records (remember records/vinyl)? He was very "under
    rated" IMHO.... (:.) Another player in the band was Dan Hartman. Wrote
    lots of songs with Edgar. I think Dan is now deceased ?????

    
    	Sammy did the lead vocals on Montrose's "Bad Motor Scooter".
    

    saw the band Montrose open up for Boston in '76 or was it '77.  Sammy
    was singing with them.  Dont remember much about them, but was definitely
    getting off on Boston then.
    
    
    later,
    rj