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Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

2177.0. "Open/airy effects - like Cocteau Twins - how to get?" by LENO::GRIER (mjg's holistic computing agency) Thu Apr 25 1991 02:06

    
       I'm looking for what combination of effects can/is used to achieve
    the really open/airy sound like the guitars in the Cocteau Twins.
    
       I've not been playing for a few years, but I'm starting again and
    I'm getting my equipment together.  I have several distortion effects
    and a digital delay, but no chorus (which I suspect is the source of
    the sound.  My musical tastes have changed since I last was playing a
    lot, so tons of tube-sounds and distortion isn't quite what I'm looking
    for any more.)
    
       Could someone (a) comment on getting a really layered sound - what
    effects are used/needed, and (b) specifically if someone knows, what
    effects setup is used by Robin Guthrie to get their sound? (I
    don't want EXACTLY that sound, but I want to experiment with something
    like it.  Knowing what they have would give me a good starting point.)
    
       Thanks in advance...
    
    					-mjg
    
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2177.1RUNTUF::PELKEYYOIKES and AWAY!!!Thu Apr 25 1991 17:2637
Wellllllllll ya can never say exactly what's being used till you happen
to be graced with an equipment list....

Sounds like what you may be looking for is a rack mount, Mutli-effects
signal processor...  There's quite a few out on the market, and there's 
quite a few notes in here, discussing the various makes/models/plusses/minuses...

In case your still a bit in the dark,, (excuse please if you're familiar
with these...)  a mutli-effects processor would be capable of producing 
several effects at once. (some do 4 some do 21 effects at a time...  )

For example: Digital Delay, Digital Reverb, Chorous, Compression, Equalization
could be just one combination of effects that you'd use.  And you can pick and 
chose any algorythm available.  (The algorythm would be the combintaions off 
effects available in a given algorythm.)

For example. one algorythm may be
- Large room reverb, Chorous, Delay, Equalization

another may be
- Small room, Multi tap Delay, Flange, Equalization.

You'd pick an algorythm that tickled yer fancy, then most likely
step through all the parameters that were within that algorythm, till
you got what you liked.. ( changing things like: reverb depth/level, 
delay time/volume,  chorous depth/modulation speed/level.. etc... )

After you're done editing up one effect program, don't stop there, some of
these babies will let you store up to and over 128 different effect
programs!!!  (Can you say WAY-TOO-MUCH!)  After you're used to it, you can 
toss all those stomp boxes  and battery chewers away!  

(at least that's what I did.  I'll never go back.)


Regards,,
/ray
2177.2probably chorus - it's what I don't haveMARX::GRIERmjg's holistic computing agencyThu Apr 25 1991 19:4420
    Re: .1:
    
       Thanks, but I'm feeling a little low-budget these next few weeks, I
    was hoping for an "oh, you need this special gizmo that you never
    happened to have before, a wham-doozler..." kind of answer, and then I
    could go out and buy a cheap one.
    
       I suspect it's chorus with some delay and a tad of distortion mixed
    in there.  I never happened to get one when I bought my guitars, so I'm
    not terribly familliar with them.  And I need to practice a lot more
    than I need to spend money on neat gadgets (as much as I want to!)  I
    could get that neat flanging sound with my delay and other stuff, but
    not that 12-stringish sort of sound.  (But, after reading the effects
    notes here I'm more confident...)
    
       Thanks anyways!  If anyone does happen to know offhand, I'd still
    like to see what they use!
    
    					-mjg
    
2177.3Cheap.....SMURF::BENNETTRetro RocketsSun Apr 28 1991 17:2810
	Start with a cheap phaser. You can usually spot 'em used
	in the $25 range and that's about what you can get when you
	get sick of it. Then try out a flanger. That Cocteau sound
	is a lot wider than I've heard from a chorus.

	If you're into Cocteaus then dig Emma Anderson's playing on
	the new album by "Lush". There's a cut called "DeLuxe" that's
	been getting some play lately. More good things from the
	guitar sound sculpture side of things.
2177.4rightLENO::GRIERmjg's holistic computing agencyTue Apr 30 1991 16:2317
    
    
       I picked up a used DOD digital chorus/flanger at Daddy's towards the
    end of last week, and together with my digital delay and sometimes one
    of the overdrive pedals turned down really really low on the
    distortion, I think I've found my sound.
    
    Re: Lush:
    
       Actually, their sound is what got me going on this kick more than
    just the Cocteau Twins - I just figured more people would know the
    Twins' sound than Lush's.  But I definitely don't have the money for a
    12-string Rickenbacher right now... (however, I was doing reasonably
    well figuring out Scarlet, Thoughtforms and DeLuxe over the weekend.)
    
    					-mjg