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Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

1864.0. "Getting around the fretboard." by GIDDAY::KNIGHTP () Wed Jun 13 1990 06:20

    I was  just wondering how other self {ear} taught players get around
    the fret board.  Over the years of playing the guitar I have
    accumulated a few tricks and think it would be a good idea to swap 
    information.
    
                1. What I did is learn as many ways to play a given
    chord in as many ways up and down the fret board as possible and       
    pretty soon had a good idea what fingers were on what strings for
    a given a chord so while soloing I would play by ear and have somewhere
    to resolve.
    
                2.  The most valuable thing I found out was the
    five pentatonic or Blues scales. These are in  a good book called
    "lead guitar" by Harvey Vinson.
       
                Maybe we could start swapping licks,maybe certain fills
    for certain maj or min chords or specific progressions or little
    knacks.  I know the theory purists are going to hate this but for
    those of us who don't particularly want to spend 12 hours a day 
    learning theory it will be a good learning forum. 
    
    
                                            just a thought 
                                        P.K.
    
    
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1864.1PELKEY::PELKEYProfessional AumbreWed Jun 13 1990 14:105
good learning forum indeed, but to read vs. hear,,, things will get
lost, especially when it comes to improv.


I'll post a few visits, but for nwo, I'll have to ponder this..
1864.2Couldn't do it even if I wanted toCOOKIE::G_HOUSENo, I'm very, very shy.Wed Jun 13 1990 15:029
I wish I *had* 12 hours a day to study theory...

Take a look around this notes file.  There are many notes that have licks,
chord progressions and such.  There's even notes on theory, if you have
any interest in that.  I've found this file to have a wealth of information!

Good luck!

Greg
1864.3Check out....SMURF::BENNETTMilli is not HipHopWed Jun 13 1990 18:1312
	The Master's Series article in the September `89 issue of GP
	(it has Pete Townsend w/Tele on the cover). The article is
	called "Power Practicing - getting the most from your practice
	time". It shows how to squeeze all 12 major scales out of a
	single 6-fret wide playing position. After learning the fingering
	I'm now able to play any major scale anywhere on the neck.

	That's come in handy for the next part which has been the study
	of the modes and how they are applied to chord construction and
	improvising over chord changes.

1864.4CHEFS::DALLISONNaaa... We can't let Steve drive!Thu Jun 14 1990 13:1158
                                  
    I was playing away last night, working hard on getting artificial
    harmonics down pat.       
                       
    Anyway, it was coming along quite well when I went a little bit
    mad with the 'catching the string with the side of the thumb' tech
    and I sliced a piece of skin off my thumb with the high E string. 
    Anyway, I said words to the effect of 'oh dear didn't that heard?'
    (generally in loud four letter words). I tried to continue to play 
    but there was this piece of skin hanging off and it was picking the 
    string directly above the one I used the pick on - so I had a second 
    pick 8^). (great for country playing but a bit of a mess 8^) ).
    
    Anyway, that got too painful (duhh!!) so I packed it in sharpish, and 
    quickly decided that I wasn't going to be doing on work using my right 
    thumb (so I can't use a plectrum, or pick with the thumb).
                                              
    Anyway, to cut a long story short I started working on pull-offs,
    something I've never been exactly good at, and was amazed at
    the results I got. I always had a problem with quick wide runs on
    the E,A and D strings, with just hammers and pulloffs but after
    last night its really coming along well.       
                      
    What I did was, played the following, without picking a single note
    (not even the first - remember, my thumb was kinda sore! 8^) :-
                                                     
       h p h p h p h p                               
    E 3-7-3-5-3-7-3-5-3- (high E)                    
                                                     
    Then move it to the B string, but arch your left hand more, 
    (move your left elbow down slightly, this helps the arching).
                                                                
    Keep moving up the strings - eachtime, slight lowering your left
    elbow so you can really PULL the notes off, as apposed to just light
    them slide off, which was always my old mistake). Try it with these
    patterns :-                               
                                              
      h h p h p h p h p      h h p h p h p h p     h h p h p h p h p     
    E|-5-8-5-7-5-8-5-7-5   E|-5-8-5-6-5-8-5-6-5  E|-5-7-5-6-5-7-5-6-5
                                          
    After you've worked on these try and play this simple lick :-
    
    (fast as possible)
                                                          
      h h p h p h p h p h p h p h p h p h p h p h p h p h    
    E|-5-8-5-7-5-8-5-7-5-8-5-7-5-8-5-7-5-------------------------------
    B|-----------------------------------8-5-7-5-----------------------      
    G|-------------------------------------------8-5-7-5---------------     
    D|---------------------------------------------------7-(wide vib)--
                                                          
                                                          
    See how easy it is ?
    
    Do it on all strings and this will really get you around the fingerboard.
    Even when you have a band aid on your thumb 8^)                   
                                              
    -Tony                                 
                                          
1864.5ACESMK::KUHNJay Kuhn MKO2Thu Jun 14 1990 15:5218
    Speaking of learning the fretboard, There is an excellent 'quick and
    diry' guide to modes in Scott Hendersons column in last months issue
    of Guitar world. It really helped me. Henderson explains that you don't
    have to know out all the theory of modes ect. to use them, its how you
    sound thats inportant. Of course its good to know all that stuff, but
    i'm not that interested.
    Basically (I'm sure most of you guys know this!) Henderson says that
    a mode is a Major scale starting on a different note. Certain modes are
    valid over certain chords. For example, To use a Lydian (?) mode,
    which goes with a Maj7 #11 chord. you play a major scale starting
    on G (the 5th). If its a A maj7 #11, you would play a E major scale.
    Or over a Min7 chord, you could do the same thing starting a minor 3d
    above the root, for example a Amin7, play a C major scale. 
    His article really cleared that stuff up and provided a short cut for
    my limited playing. He also lists all the modes and chord combinations.
    
    jay
    
1864.6re .5SMURF::BENNETTNova Mob GoThu Jun 14 1990 19:2814
	Note from a major scale with a different start - I wouldn't
	have attempted to begin modes without approaching it that
	way. Sitting down to learn F mixo would be a drag if I couldn't
	cheat with G minor or Bb major.

	Once I get the notes down I go hunting for chord forms that
	line up with the notes - add#11 being one of my favorite IV
	chord forms. I'm starting to be able to know what mode to use
	by the chord and that's a great feeling.

	I'll poke around for that issue. There's also an issue - GW from
	maybe June `89 (Vito Bratta on cover) with a "Heavy Metal
	Workshop" in the back that covers modes.
1864.7re lastACESMK::KUHNJay Kuhn MKO2Thu Jun 14 1990 19:586
    The issue with this mode stuff is the Guitar World with Ozzie's guitar
    player on the front, Wylde? He has a bulls eye painted on his Les Paul. 
    
    P.S. what sounds like a neat scale (i haven't tried it) is over a 
    min7 w/ flatted 5th you start the major scale 1/2 step up from the root.
    I think thats the chord.
1864.8YUP m7-5SMURF::BENNETTNova Mob GoThu Jun 14 1990 20:1012
	That's a good tonic chord in locrian - the mode you get if
	you play a major pattern but use the maj7 as the root. And 
	you're right - a lot of the other guys already know this stuff 
	cold & we're just moving in a different wave.

	I posted a note some time ago about mapping the modes to days
	of the week and saturating yourself in it. Check out 1840.13.
	If ya had yer analogical wheaties this morning take a poke at
	1862.0. There are several earlier notes on modes as well.

	ccb
1864.9If I remember correctly... ;^) ;^)SALEM::ABATELLILabs_R_UsFri Jun 15 1990 13:019
    I was told a LONG time ago a simple fact...
    
    	"all the notes you need are on that fretboard...
    	   the trick is to hit the right ones at the right time".
    
    
    	What a wise guy huh?
    
    		Fred (who can't be serious all the time)
1864.10AQUA::ROSTI'll do anything for moneyFri Jun 15 1990 13:084
    Re: .9
    
    Sounds like the first paragraph in the Les Paul Guitar Method book 
    8^)  8^)  8^)
1864.11Poly - phoneyDREGS::BLICKSTEINThis is your brain on UnixFri Jun 15 1990 13:4211
    >   "all the notes you need are on that fretboard...
    >    the trick is to hit the right ones at the right time".
    
    That's why these days I'm playing primarily keyboards.
    
    On guitar, you can only play six at a time.
    
    On my piano, I can hit 88 at a time, so I have a much better chance
    at hitting the "right ones".
    
    	db