Conference napalm::guitar

    Great idea...But dont' tease us.  There are three of us waiting
    patiently (!) to take delivery...  ;^)

    Coop, make that 4.  I haven't received mine yet either.  Phoenix is a
    haul from Joisey.
    
    Mike

    Can someone do a set note/title="Kitty hawk counter topic?"
    
    Agagagagagaaaa...
    
    
    PS - Hey Buck, you got speed dialing ??
    
    ;^)

On another subject.... in response to note 1640, here are the approximate
standard settings I use on the M1. The eq settings vary somewhat depending
on volume and whether the speaker has an open or closed back. Bear in mind
that I use either a les paul or an SG w/ humbuckers- I would use completely
different settings for single coil pickups.

clean settings:
    
    Volume  Treble  Middle  Bass  Master  
    ------  ------  ------  ----  ------  
      5       6       8       4   variable

lead settings:
    
    Overdrive  Master  Treble  Middle  Bass  
    ---------  ------  ------  ------  ----  
        8      variable   8       4      2   

    Presence   Reverb
    --------   ------
       8         0
    
    ClassSwitch
    -----------
         A           output tubes-EL34

effects loop runs thru a digital delay and dimension

I use the quad mode footswitch depending on choice of clean (no leds),
crunch (red), lead (green) or hot lead (red&green).  Note: from the
front panel, you only have three preamp choices, not four as provided
by the footswitch.

The M1 has enough tonal flexibility for anyone to be able to develop
their own characteristic sound. The tone controls interact with each
other, so it takes some experimentation to find your own sound(s).

Enjoy,
Steve

    Ok, since there are so many people out there with M3s, I thought I'd
    share a few setttings that I liked.  
    
    This is playing the thing through an Ampeg sealed back 4x12 cabinet
    (with noname speakers) using a Charvel Model 4, so mileage may vary.  I
    kept the Reverb (on the back) set to 4 for the whole lot, I don't like
    too much spring reverb.  Remember that the lead and clean channels are
    dependant on each other, so you need both the lead and clean volumes to
    make the intended sound.
    
    I'd be very interested in seeing settings other M3 owners use too.
    
    Greg
    
    
    Nice warm clean sound (clean channel)
    
    Treble Middle Bass LeadOD CleanVol LeadMaster MasterVol Presence
    ------ ------ ---- ------ -------- ---------- --------- --------
       5      7     7     3.5    3.5       7       to taste     5
    
    
    Clean with a bit of rasp, reminds me of CCR (clean channel)
    
    Treble Middle Bass LeadOD CleanVol LeadMaster MasterVol Presence
    ------ ------ ---- ------ -------- ---------- --------- --------
       9      6.5   3    10       4        10      to taste     8
    
    
    Crunchy overdriven rhythm, reminds me of AC/DC (lead channel)
    
    Treble Middle Bass LeadOD CleanVol LeadMaster MasterVol Presence
    ------ ------ ---- ------ -------- ---------- --------- --------
       8      7     3    7.5      4          8     to taste     7
    
    
    Massively overdriven, but warm, reminds me of Van Halen (lead channel)
    
    Treble Middle Bass LeadOD CleanVol LeadMaster MasterVol Presence
    ------ ------ ---- ------ -------- ---------- --------- --------
       8      9    3.5   10      10          8     10 ;^)      6.5
    
    
    Modern warm overdrive, reminds me of George Lynch's rhythm sound (lead chan)
    
    Treble Middle Bass LeadOD CleanVol LeadMaster MasterVol Presence
    ------ ------ ---- ------ -------- ---------- --------- --------
       7      8    2     8.5     10          7     to taste    8.5
    
                            

    Kinda gives you that "metallica" sound...

    <place tongue in cheek firmly>

    Treble Middle Bass LeadOD CleanVol LeadMaster MasterVol Presence
    ------ ------ ---- ------ -------- ---------- --------- --------
       10     10   10     20     10         10     to taste    10
 						      (20)

    -1
    
    Dude...you're wrong!!!
    
    When it comes to metallica, Midrange is ALWAYS 0!
    
    Buck

    I agree with Buck, also the M3s sound like total mush if you turn the
    bass up to 10.
    
    Greg

Alright, alright !!!

I was tryin' to be funny !  See what I get ?!
:)

Your right though, with EL34's, you loose a lot of bass. I say who 
needs it anyway, thats what bass guitars are for !  Gimme loads of pinched 
harmonics, squeels, raspes and a few dive bomber runs any day !

Now, 6L6's should give you a lot more bass response.  EL34's are too soft 
and compressed for good bass.

jc (Who likes soft things compressed into sweaters ;)

>    - Nice warm clean sound (clean channel)
>    - Clean with a bit of rasp, reminds me of CCR (clean channel)
>    - Crunchy overdriven rhythm, reminds me of AC/DC (lead channel)
>    - Massively overdriven, but warm, reminds me of Van Halen (lead channel)
>    - Modern warm overdrive, reminds me of George Lynch's rhythm sound (lead chan)
    
    How about M1 versions of the above?  Would they be much different from
    the M3?
    
    Mike

    Just send out the M1 and I'll make some up for ya...

    The Kitty ran for 5 hours on Friday and 4 hours on Saturday....trouble
    free and what a tone!   I TRIED to TELL you guys it was just tubes...
    yuk, yuk....
    
    
    P.S. should I power that guy down during breaks or just leave it on
    standby??
    
    Steve D.

    >P.S. should I power that guy down during breaks or just leave it on
    >standby??
    
    Standby.  The cooling/heating cycle is tough on tubes.
    
    Greg

These are the settings that I used at our gig last week, and I (and everyone 
else) thought it sounded killer!
    
    Treble Middle Bass LeadOD CleanVol LeadMaster MasterVol Presence
    ------ ------ ---- ------ -------- ---------- --------- --------
       7     9.5   9.5   10      10          8     8.5         4.5

This was pretty damn loud on stage, but it sounded great! Very 70ish, sort of 
like old Humble Pie or maybe Foghat.....    

Oh yeah - all this was with my Les Paul, stright into the amp, using the 
bridge pickup and the tone knob on about 3.


Here's the setting I found for the Quattro that I like a lot:

         Crunch Vol  Clean Vol  Treble  Middle  Bass  Crunch Master
Clean    ---------   ---------  ------  ------  ----  -------------
             9          4         9.5      8      4        2

         Lead Master  Bright  Treble  Middle  Bass  Overdrive Hot  Overdrive
Lead     -----------  ------  ------  ------  ----  -------------  ---------
           to taste      3      5.5     9       7       6.5           10


This is also similar to the mid-70s rock tone, maybe like early Faces or 
Mick Taylor-era Stones. Again, its the LP straight into the Quattro.

Alan S.

    I've been jamming along with Keaggy's latest album with the M1 setting
    below.  FWIW, the main recorded amp on the album is a VOX AC30. 
    Innocent bystanders have mentioned that my settings are "close enough
    for government work" to the VOX AC30 tone.
    
lead settings:
    
    Overdrive  Master  Treble  Middle  Bass      Presence   Reverb
    ---------  ------  ------  ------  ----      --------   ------
        5        ***      7       5      4          10        6  

    ClassSwitch
    -----------
         A           output tubes-EL34
    
    *** I've never used this above 2 yet.  The 100 watt M1 is LOUDDDDD!!!
    
    Mike

    I've been experimenting and found a tone I like (not sure who it sounds
    like).  The highs tend to get a little too bright & twangy on the
    Mustang, but this tends to take care of it.
    
lead settings:
    
    Overdrive  Master  Treble  Middle  Bass      Presence   Reverb
    ---------  ------  ------  ------  ----      --------   ------
        8        var      5       5      4          8         4

    ClassSwitch
    -----------
         A           output tubes-EL34

    
    
    
    	Whooooa Mike, I just had a flash, I wonder how two extremely mellow
    gold lace sensors would sound in your mustang???   Hmmmmmm....
    
    
    
    Steve

    Don't know Steve, I might just put the money towards a new guitar with
    more flexibility.
    
    I have all this tonal control on the Kitty and feel the Mustang has me
    handcuffed to a point.
    
    Mike

    So where are all the M1 settings?  I was just listening to EVH on
    "Panama" and was thinking, "I'd love to get my Kitty to growl like
    that".  Especially the tone during the bridge!
    
    Mike

    -1
    
    Reb Beach gets a tone close to that, so you should be able to copy it!

    Maybe its the guitar then, I can't seem to get too close to the "Brown"
    sound.
    
    Mike

I play my M3 as distorted as I can get it:

Bass=0
mid=8
treb=10
pres=10
OD=10
Leadvol=10
Master=?

There seems to be some bleed thru on my M3 with the OD up that high,
at high master volumes, so as the master goes up, the OD goes down 
(to about 8 I think).

Also, I have VERY bassy cabs, so don't snicker at my bass being set to
0.

jc (FWIW)

    Are Boom, Steve, Dave, Reb Beach ;-), and myself the only ones with M1s?

      RE -.1  I think that's pretty much the M1 roster. And speaking
    of that, I've been working on some settings for the M1 to post.
    I wouldn't jump on Jeff's case for having his bass set to 0, On
    all my KH heads my bass is usually the lowest-set tone control.
    Does that mean we agree on something? Oh Sh*t! DUCK!
    
    						---/bOOm/---

Re: bass setting

Boom, that goes for me too.  The M1 puts out some killer bass, if you're not
careful ;-)

I run the bass on my M3 from 1-2 unless I'm looking for a real warm clean 
jazzy kind of sound (which I like, but don't use much).  

I don't see how you can run the Presence at 10 though...SCREECH!  I run 
mine about 5-6.5 unless I *really* want to stick out, then it hits about 8.  
Set higher then 8 it loses the smoothness and starts sounding like a cheap
solid state distortion box.

Treble varies from 6-8 generally and Midrange from about 5-9 depending on 
the song.  I usually have feedback problems with my Charvel if I pump up 
the mids too much.

I have the Lead gain set to 10, the clean gain set to 6 and the lead master
set to about 7-8.  This lets me get a great screaming lead sound, and I can 
footswitch into a nice clean sound.  The lead master at 7 gives me just a 
hair more volume with the lead channel.

Greg

    
    I have an M1 (combo) and the bass is set to 5 on clean and about 3-ish 
    for dirty.
    
    (for the strat, generally on neck p/u)
    -pat

    What's the "Marshall" setting for the M1? ;-)

I think you set the master on "drive" and the wallet on $800
and the Range on the distance to the guitar store.

;)

jc (Who thinks a Kitty can emulate a Boogie, not a Marshall)

      You're wrong J.C.! I think Steve G. will back me up on this one.
    One of the big attributes of the M1 is the mean green LED mode.
    Unlike the red LED (which the M1 and M3 have), the green mode give
    the lead channel an upper-mid boost that is VERY Marshall-like. 
    I know nothing else is a Marshall.... not even an MP-1, right. 
    But I can get a good enough Marshall emulation to keep me from laying
    out more green!
    
    					---|boom|---

    Yo Boom!  Post your M1 settings!

    
       OK, OK - I asked for that! Hearing is believing I guess.
    I'll put the M1 through some paces this weekend and post something
    next week. I'd post settings for the Testarossa, since I use it
    the most, but that's something I should keep between me and dbii.
       BTW - I fired up the M3 for rehearsal this week. It's still
    a decent little rocker. I'll post my M3 settings after next weeks
    rehearsal. 
       						_/B@@M\_
    

Hmmm, could be.  I stand corrected.

The only thing I have to base my opinion on is Pat's M1 combo,
which didn't overdrive enough for my tastes, but my tastes are a
little radical.  I like it REAL scratchy.

jc

    
    I had 6L6's Coop...
    

That mighta been it, but my M3 with EL34's doesn't buzz enough for me either.

jc (Who thinks James Hetfield needs more distortion - agagagaga ;)

    
>That mighta been it, but my M3 with EL34's doesn't buzz enough for me either.
    
    The M3 ain't got the hot rodded (ie "green") distortion man.

Waaaaaah!

I want my "green" distortion!

Greg (green with envy)

    
      Certified Boom M1 settings:
    
      clean channel:			lead channel:
   	volume - 7 1/2	 		  overdrive - 8 1/2
        treble - 7 		          master    - 5
    	middle - 7			  treble    - 8
    	bass   - 5 1/2			  middle    - 6
    	master - 5 *			  bass	    - 5
				
    			common: 
    			  presence - 8 1/2
    			  reverb   - 1 1/2
    
          These settings were done with a B.C. Rich neck-thru STIII
    	with a Dimarzio Megadrive bridge pickup (only p/u used in this
    	case). The M1 head is a hundred watter w/ EL tubes, class switch
    	was on AB mode. These settings work in Class A but I recommend
    	backing off on the overdrive /or rhythm volume a notch and 
    	adding a touch to both masters when doing so. The air-movers
    	are 4 Celestion G12-70Ms in a KH 4X12 cab.
    
    						-bo

    FWIW, here's a setting that provides cranked rhythm in the clean
    mode and screaming lead in the lead mode
    
    setup: American Std. Strat -> graphic EQ with moderate boost in upper 
    midrange -> M3 with EL34's -> Marshall 4X10 cab ...
    
    Treb  Mid  Bass  L.OD.  Clean V.  Lead Master  Volume    Presence
    
    10     8   10     5.5    10        10          2.5        9
    
    I haven't tried this with the master above 2.5 :-)

    
       RE: -.1
      
       YEEEEEOOW - Sounds like it moves air, but is the bass control really 
    that high? Most of my M3 settings had the bass between 3 and 4. And I 
    was using a M-word 4 X 10 as well!
    
    							-B()()M-

    re: .39
    
    Scary!   I could never run my bass that high, it got all farty
    sounding, like it was destroying my speakers.  I kept it about 2-3.  I
    couldn't stand the presence above 7, hurt my ears...
                                             
>    I haven't tried this with the master above 2.5 :-)
    
    Gee, I don't think my Master *ever* got under 4...  Maybe that's why
    you had to crank the bass so much.  ;-)
    
    Greg

    re last few
    
    The M3 I have has EL-34 power tubes. In the KH M3 owner's manual
    (thanks Alan) it says that the EL34's have a much reduced bass
    response. It also says that turning up the presence a lot will 
    reduce the effect of the other tone controls. I just cranked 'em
    to get gain. I haven't tried it with the lead OD turned up past
    5.5; maybe if I do I'll have to back off on some of the other stuff.
    The owner's manual gives a suggested setting for 'metal lead' as
    
    Treb  Mid  Bass  LOD  CL.Vol. L. Master  Master   Presence
    
     8     9     5    10    -       10      to taste    9
    
    which is pretty close to mine, but with more lead OD and less bass

    The bass on my M1 never goes over 3.   My lead channel is set to 1 and
    clean to 3.
    
    Mike

    okay! okay! so I use too much bass! maybe my amp sounds like an
    elephant with a sinus condition, but it's MY tone! Now leave me
    alone! :-)

    RE:  elephant with a sinus condition ...
    
    That was great.  8^)   When I had my M3, I noticed the bass was very
    fat too.  But I was playing a strat, so they complimented each other
    very well.  I could kick me arse for selling that amp, but hindsight is
    always 20/20.
    
    Jerry (I like my laney better anyway ...)

    I had an opportunity to check out Dave Russo's M3 with 6L6 tubes
    about 1/2 hour after playing my M3 with EL34 tubes. I was amazed
    at the amount of bass his amp had! He was getting the same tone 
    with the bass on 3 that I would get withthe bass on 8.

    If you crank the bass, you can get pretty close to a Ty Tabor
    (guitarist from King's X) like sound.
    
    Mike