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Conference napalm::guitar

Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

978.0. "VOCAL HARMONY ?" by AYOV18::DKIRKWOOD (KEEP MUSIC LIVE) Tue Nov 15 1988 11:06

    I was interested in the file on vocal effects,I myself use a DD2
    (Boss) guitar pedal.
    My question is, Although I am happy with the effect I would like
    to build on it with an effect similar to the old Roland space echo,
    (chorus),in short, is there such an effect,which is within an
    affordable price range(and available in the U.K.)
    Question 2.,
    Can any one give some advice on a project a mate and I are thinking
    of starting,In brief we want to start up a duo act using computer
    technology,ie disc drive to sequencers etc,I would like to hear
    from anyone using this kind of set-up,(we dont have key-boards,but
    use an Ibinez guitar synth)
                 Thank`s in advance, Davy
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978.1Roland, good stuff !PELKEY::PELKEYHead for the Mountains, Bush is pres !Tue Nov 15 1988 17:1320
    Yes, for guitar, I use my Roland SDE1000 when we're making demos.
    When we're not making demos, it's used as the primary effect
    for our sound board.  (The studio stuff we use has a DEP5 and
    that baby is just out of this world.  Too much for Guitar though.)
    
    With the SDE1000, You have the ability to store up to 4 programs, these
    programs can be flange, or chorus, or doubler, or long delay, short
    dealy (Sde1000 can give you up to a 1500 millisecond delay if you play
    with the delay phase/time knob in the back.) 
    
    There is also a few foot switches available for the SDE 1000. (There's
    serveral different foot switch jacks in the back of the dealy, and they
    can be used for various applications, one being on/off, one being
    program switcher, and one being a "play mate" which allows you to
    adjust dealy patters with the switch.) 
    
    In short, it's the best bang for the buck I saw when I was in the
    market a year and a half ago...  approx 300 bucks u.s.

    The also mae an SDE3000 which has more functionality, and more cost...
978.2Many ways to Save your $$$, or spend them!TYFYS::MOLLERHolloween the 13th on Elm Street #7Tue Nov 15 1988 18:4830
    I use quite a bit of my guitar effects for vocals, in fact, I've
    built a foot operated switch that routes the vocals thru the guitar
    effects, or leaves them in line with the guitar amplifier. I have a
    stereo chorus unit that is in this chain (actually the last thing in
    it & my guitar goes to the PA and Twin Reverb no matter what).

    It really works pretty well. I use a Phase Shifter, a Flanger, an
    Octave divider, Analog Delay, Compressor, Distortion box, Wa-Wa Pedal
    and Chorus unit. You can get some strange sounds out of this set up.

    Also, I play in a Duo, much like you described. I'm the guitar player
    (the other fellow plays keyboards - we still haul an old 1950's Hammond
    M3 with us everywhere we go!!). I have spent an unbeliveable amount of
    time (more than I really wanted to) getting up to speed in the
    technology, but after 6 month of screwwing with things have finally
    gotten to the point where the MIDI stuff (Alesis MMT-8 Sequencer,
    Roland MT-32, CZ-101, Yamaha 2.8 inch MIDI Quick Disk drive, and
    MX-8 patch bay) actually is working pretty close to tolerable. When it
    works it sounds great. When you screw up, the Sequencer just goes on
    happily & it sounds pretty poor.

    Send me some Email & I'll try to decribe the problems and my solutions
    as they have proven to work for my Duo. I suggest that you also
    consult the NOVA::COMMUSIC notes file for many execellent opinions on
    approaches & available hardware. It's been an unbeliveable help to
    be & provided much insight to what I was getting into. You'll find
    out what's best only after trying many things & seeing what works best
    for you.

							Jens Moller
978.3HAVASU::HEISERstep into my grooveMon Sep 09 1991 16:026
    Can anyone give some examples (i.e., popular recordings) on how various
    effects sound on vocals?  I assume any of the guitar efx units can also 
    be used on vocals.
    
    Thanks,
    Mike
978.4RGB::ROSTSpike Lee stunt doubleMon Sep 09 1991 17:3017
    Almost every pop vocal these days uses both delay and reverb.  Listen
    for quick "slap" repeats (usually only one or two) on the voice. 
    
    Trying to pick out electronic doubling (use of a very short delay with
    no repeats) or harmonizing to "fatten" the voice are harder.
    
    As far as other effects (note that most of these were done before the
    days of digital FX):
    
    Flanging:  "What Is and What Should Never Be" by Led Zeppelin
    Filtering/EQ: "Aqualung" by Jethro Tull
    Echoes: "Us and Them" by Pink Floyd
    Slap echo: old Elvis and Chuck Berry sides
    Pitch shifting: "One of These Days" by Pink Floyd
    Tremelo: "Crimson and Clover" by Tommy James and the Shondells
    
    							Brian